From cph Sun Oct 1 02:12:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA17779 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:12:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00569; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:09:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00305; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00292; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (24.30.163.11 -> laxmls02.socal.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:09:41 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (sc-24-24-233-88.socal.rr.com [24.24.233.88]) by laxmls02.socal.rr.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9168gf00106 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:08:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: mikeford@pop-server.socal.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801c02af5$89c7ca20$8841b4d8@dwreid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:04:20 -0800 To: "ThinkPad-L" From: Mike Ford Subject: FS two 755 batteries List-Unsubscribe: They have been sitting on a shelf for awhile (could be 4 or 5 years), but I have a pair of new in the box (one still sealed, one I looked at, but its still in the bag etc.) IBM 85G8561 Li Ion batteries. From a quick look at IBM these are for the 755, but check for yourself. I know I don't have a 755, so I don't need them. I am in Orange California, so if you are interested and local, email me and stop by and check them out. I'll let them go for the first decent sounding offer. I have a BUNCH of other stuff, but lack time and organization, so somebody local enough to stop by might find more interesting items. From cph Sun Oct 1 02:31:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA17825 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:31:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01980; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:29:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01789; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01776; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:29:20 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUSZYWYLW08WYLFG@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 01:32:56 CST Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 01:32:55 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: 21" ibm trinitron 0.25mm $375 ! retail": $1200 from ibm direct only 1 unit To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: 21" p202 trinitron tube ibm monitor 0.25mm $375 part # 655803n 1 unit only 20" p201 0.26mm trinitron ibm $280 #6555803 1 unit 17" p70 0.26mm ibm monitor $170 #6554603 & # 6554673 (2 units) 19" NEC multi sync e900 # NECMC19 JC1941 $315 i unit I dont know wht time IBM opens up on monday morning butONLY the EARLIEST bird will get the worm. 1) Wake up at 5 am on monday morning 2) exercise your dialing finger 3) dial 1-800-ibm-5440 & ORDER ! These are refurbished units but $375 for a 21" trinitron monitor ? It is legally stealing ! Plus not to mention the reputation & quality of IBM products & warranty. Enjoy :) Jon " where paying retail is ILLEGAL" W From cph Sun Oct 1 02:54:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA17935 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:54:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03728; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:52:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03515; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03498; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 02:52:35 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA12925 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:52:25 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000701c02b74$28dac300$c862183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: Subject: Re: 21" ibm trinitron 0.25mm $375 ! retail": $1200 from ibm direct only 1 unit Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:52:16 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: These are all great deals. Just a reminder that IBM explicitly does *not* warrantee their refurbished monitors (i.e., they include a note to this effect in the box), though if the unit was manufactured within N years, where N=length of original warrantee, they might nevertheless honor the original warrantee. BTW, their pdf "current inventory" web page includes a fax order form, so presumably you can fill out this sheet tomorrow and fax your order, thereby avoiding the 5AM wake-up call (that's 1AM in Hawaii:-) - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon W" To: Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 9:32 PM Subject: 21" ibm trinitron 0.25mm $375 ! retail": $1200 from ibm direct only 1 unit > 21" p202 trinitron tube ibm monitor 0.25mm $375 part # 655803n > 1 unit only > > 20" p201 0.26mm trinitron ibm $280 #6555803 1 unit > > 17" p70 0.26mm ibm monitor $170 #6554603 & # 6554673 (2 units) > > > 19" NEC multi sync e900 # NECMC19 JC1941 $315 i unit > > > I dont know wht time IBM opens up on monday morning butONLY the EARLIEST > bird will get the worm. > > 1) Wake up at 5 am on monday morning > 2) exercise your dialing finger > 3) dial 1-800-ibm-5440 & ORDER ! > > These are refurbished units but $375 for a 21" trinitron monitor ? It is > legally stealing ! Plus not to mention the reputation & quality of IBM > products & warranty. > > Enjoy :) > > Jon " where paying retail is ILLEGAL" W > > > From cph Sun Oct 1 03:35:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA18061 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 03:35:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07121; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 03:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 03:32:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06885; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 03:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06872; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 03:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (24.30.163.11 -> laxmls02.socal.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 03:32:48 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (sc-24-24-233-88.socal.rr.com [24.24.233.88]) by laxmls02.socal.rr.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e917Vof10799 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 00:31:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: mikeford@pop-server.socal.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 00:29:38 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: 21" ibm trinitron 0.25mm $375 ! retail": $1200 from ibm direct only 1 unit List-Unsubscribe: >These are refurbished units but $375 for a 21" trinitron monitor ? It is >legally stealing ! Plus not to mention the reputation & quality of IBM >products & warranty. I got my 20" for $75, almost got it for $10, but another guy at the surplus place started bidding against me. Its a Sun 20E20, so I had to pop $30 for the cable adapter, but it is so nice. I do love a bargain, waiting for my Staples run in the morning.... From cph Sun Oct 1 04:49:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA18267 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 04:49:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12538; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 04:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 04:46:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12329; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 04:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12287; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 04:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.226 -> blount.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 04:46:14 -0400 Received: from desktop (user-38ld6af.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.153.79]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA16082; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 04:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <015c01c02abe$41765200$4f9956d1@desktop> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" , "Ray Bay" , "Thinkpad User Group" Cc: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Subject: Re: Keyboard, full size Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 05:10:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: I have 2 760's still with their original keyboards. -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Jeffrey Race To: Ray Bay ; Thinkpad User Group Cc: Dr. Jeffrey Race Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 4:25 PM Subject: Re: Keyboard, full size >Maxi-Switch:>Part No 13H6705>Fru No 13H6710>ID No M038022 >This is the IBM keyboard. > >I have the wiring diagram for the adapter for those handy with a >soldering iron who want to save $50 for the adapter cable. > >I highly recommend using this keyboard because the one on the 760 >is very flimsy. I have to replace it every 7-8 months. > >Jeffrey Race > From cph Sun Oct 1 08:59:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA29227 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:59:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24950; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:56:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24684; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.netdoor.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24671; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.netdoor.com (208.137.128.6 -> netdoor.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:56:30 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (port330.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.30]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA00943 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 07:56:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000e01c02ba6$e41f5cc0$1ec194d0@oemcomputer> From: "Geri O'Neil" To: Subject: New member Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 07:55:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C02B7C.FABB6CA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C02B7C.FABB6CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello. I'm Geri O'Neil and I have a ThinkPad 390X 2626FOU (400 Celeron, = 4.8GIG drive, 128MEG Ram). It has been mostly a good machine with a = quirk or two, nothing that is unusual from any machine I've had to deal = with. Looking forward to being on the list Geri O'Neil Stagelite Sound "First, do no harm..." ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C02B7C.FABB6CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello. I'm Geri O'Neil and I have a = ThinkPad 390X=20 2626FOU (400 Celeron, 4.8GIG drive, 128MEG Ram). It has been mostly a = good=20 machine with a quirk or two, nothing that is unusual from any machine = I've had=20 to deal with. Looking forward to being on the list
 
Geri O'Neil
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C02B7C.FABB6CA0-- From cph Sun Oct 1 10:14:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA29458 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:14:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28766; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:12:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28560; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28547; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:12:24 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.188]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001001141222.HDAC9211.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:12:22 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001001100834.017f4220@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 10:08:34 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: New member In-Reply-To: <000e01c02ba6$e41f5cc0$1ec194d0@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:55 AM 10/01/2000 -0500, Geri O'Neil wrote: > > > > > > > >
Hello. I'm Geri O'Neil and I have a ThinkPad 390X >2626FOU (400 Celeron, 4.8GIG drive, 128MEG Ram). It has been mostly a good >machine with a quirk or two, nothing that is unusual from any machine I've had >to deal with. Looking forward to being on the list
>
 
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Geri O'Neil
Stagelite Sound
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> Welcome to the list! Please turn off the HTML! Thanks - Jane From cph Sun Oct 1 11:36:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA29750 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:36:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03298; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:33:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03088; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03075; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:33:53 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUTJ027VOW8WYOIK@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:37:29 CST Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 10:37:29 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: after staples dont forget to stop by Best Buy To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Best buy has the PNY technologies 64MB ram for sale at $59.99 after rebate. Retail price for this is $129.99 ! ONly if my 770 has another memory slot ! argh !! dont forget to get an extra sony cdrw usb for me if its available. I will gladly pay for your troubles. From cph Sun Oct 1 12:19:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA29942 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:19:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05289; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:15:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04830; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04817; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (141.213.75.22 -> srvr20.engin.umich.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:15:17 -0400 Received: from azure.engin.umich.edu (root@azure.engin.umich.edu [141.213.74.24]) by srvr20.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA05539 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (arteitle@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by azure.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA02939 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:15:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP all] How to clean TrackPoint III button? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I too had a similar experience buying an old 701C. When I popped the plastic buttons off to see what was underneath, I found that the little metal dome/bubble underneath the left button was cracked, presumably from being clicked so many times. I swapped the two little metal domes between the left and right buttons and secured them with some tape, and that helped considerably. Aaron Teitlebaum arteitle@engin.umich.edu On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Jonathan Berry wrote: > I had the exact same with a 701 I bought on ebay. The keyboard > was almost pristine, but the left mouse button would register > only with an Olympic weightlifting-type (weightpushing?) > effort. A part solution was to reverse the buttons in Win95 > (the main problem had been double-clicking, which you never do > with the "right" or context button). > > I think that this 701 had been owned by an exec who didn't > type. > > >I've got a keyboard with a TrackPoint III in which the left mouse button > >needs to be pressed about twice as hard as the right button before it > >responds. I suspect there's a problem with dirt under the button, and I > >wonder if anyone has any suggestion for cleaning it safely?? > > > >Edward Mendelson From cph Sun Oct 1 12:43:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30069 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:43:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06967; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:38:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06564; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06547; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:38:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:38:52 -0400 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.41]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001001163851.HPRX23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:38:51 +0000 Received: from [24.189.193.217] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 16:38:51 +0000 To: "Richard Chalk" Cc: "Tania" , "James H. E. Maugham" , "Jon W" , Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 16:38:51 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: scosgt@att.net Message-Id: <20001001163851.HPRX23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: Richard, Richard, you and I have done business before - I bought at least 2 770 Enh Video Adaptors from you, I think you have bought from me... So stop trashing me! I spent an entire afternoon driving around, using gas (at $1.80 per around here!), wear and tear on my car, and you begrudge me a profit and think I should sell to list members at a loss. Give me a break! > OK, so lemme see if I got this straight.. > > We have this list, set up and maintained for the mutual benefit of ThinkPad > owners... > > Then we got Jon, who posts a good deal, even if he can't get it for himself, > and asks for help.. > > Then we got this guy, who, based on Jon's information, goes & finds 5 of > these puppies... > > BUT!! > > Does he offer to help Jon? > Does he offer to help other List members? > > Nah...he uses the information gratuitously posted by Jon to see an > opportunity to make a few bux, while simultaneously restricting > opportunities of others in his area to take advantage of the deal. > > Nice cooperative attitude... > > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Tania" > Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" ; "Jon W" > ; > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! > > > > I got FIVE (5) > > Scoured Long Island, got 2 in one place and 3 in another! > > EBAY here I come! > > > Thanks from me too Jon- > > > > > > I got the last one at my nearest store as well. Because the store is 40 > miles > > > distant I had no choice but to call first. When I asked if they had any > the > > > clerk > > > indicated they had one. I immediately asked for the manager and > requested him > > > to > > > set it aside for me. I made sure to tell him that these were desirable > and that > > > it > > > was no small trip for me to come and get it. He assured me that he > would > > > personally > > > remove it from the shelf and put it away. > > > > > > Well an hour later I'm at the store and guess what? No drive. > Bastards! > > > > > > A conference with the manager and a search of the store determined that > the > > > first > > > employee I had spoken with became aware of the deal and hid it away for > himself. > > > The manager was telling him to clear out his locker as I left the store- > drive > > > in > > > hand. No grudge against an employee trying to get a good deal, but this > kid was > > > just an out and out nimrod. > > > > > > In any event- Sorry I couldn't get you any Jon. Can I ask how you came > by this > > > incredible deal? > > > > > > Thanks again- > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the headsup Jon, I got one. I literally ran out the door > and sped > > > > over to my local Staples (Rte. 70, Marlton, NJ) where I bagged the > LAST one. > > > > > > > > SONY CRX100E/X2. The unit was on the shelf with no closeout tag on it > and when > > > I > > > > asked the clerk to scan it, his jaw almost hit the floor as he uttered > a loud > > > > "Holy SHIT!!"! His reaction resulted in a bit of a quiet conference > between > > > > several of the clerks which I interrupted with, "If you're thinking of > getting > > > > _this_ one for one of yourselves, please know that it _will_ cost you > your job > > > > here!". > > > > > > > > They VERY grudgingly handed it over. Sorry I couldn't get you one Jon. > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Jon W [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:51 PM > > > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > > Subject: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4x 4x 6x sony spressa external cdrw usb retial $279.99 on clearence > at > > > > > your local staples store for $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > HURRY UP ! if anyone can locate 2 of these please let me know, i > will buy > > > > > it from you ! all sold out on my area , according to the staples > manager > > > > > the store clerks snatch all these babies up themselves ! SO DO NOT > CALL > > > > > AND ASK !! > > > > > > > > > > THe SKU# is 432-438 in some store the discount is not reflected > yet > > > > > make sure to ask the manager to double check the sku & price !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLease get an extra one for me !! > > > > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Sun Oct 1 12:44:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30073 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:44:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07263; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:40:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06688; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taxismtp2.alchemyfx.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06675; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taxismtp2.alchemyfx.com (209.132.220.152 -> taxismtp2.alchemy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:40:14 -0400 Received: from 770z (vpn106.corp.harris.com [137.237.52.106]) by taxismtp2.alchemyfx.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA16796; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:12:44 -0700 Message-ID: <005501c02bc5$3a59f6e0$6a34ed89@bpd.harris.com> From: "Richard Chalk" To: , "Tania" Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" , "Jon W" , References: <20001001002159.DSOF23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:32:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: OK, so lemme see if I got this straight.. We have this list, set up and maintained for the mutual benefit of ThinkPad owners... Then we got Jon, who posts a good deal, even if he can't get it for himself, and asks for help.. Then we got this guy, who, based on Jon's information, goes & finds 5 of these puppies... BUT!! Does he offer to help Jon? Does he offer to help other List members? Nah...he uses the information gratuitously posted by Jon to see an opportunity to make a few bux, while simultaneously restricting opportunities of others in his area to take advantage of the deal. Nice cooperative attitude... Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Tania" Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" ; "Jon W" ; Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 8:21 PM Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! > I got FIVE (5) > Scoured Long Island, got 2 in one place and 3 in another! > EBAY here I come! > > Thanks from me too Jon- > > > > I got the last one at my nearest store as well. Because the store is 40 miles > > distant I had no choice but to call first. When I asked if they had any the > > clerk > > indicated they had one. I immediately asked for the manager and requested him > > to > > set it aside for me. I made sure to tell him that these were desirable and that > > it > > was no small trip for me to come and get it. He assured me that he would > > personally > > remove it from the shelf and put it away. > > > > Well an hour later I'm at the store and guess what? No drive. Bastards! > > > > A conference with the manager and a search of the store determined that the > > first > > employee I had spoken with became aware of the deal and hid it away for himself. > > The manager was telling him to clear out his locker as I left the store- drive > > in > > hand. No grudge against an employee trying to get a good deal, but this kid was > > just an out and out nimrod. > > > > In any event- Sorry I couldn't get you any Jon. Can I ask how you came by this > > incredible deal? > > > > Thanks again- > > > > > > > Thanks for the headsup Jon, I got one. I literally ran out the door and sped > > > over to my local Staples (Rte. 70, Marlton, NJ) where I bagged the LAST one. > > > > > > SONY CRX100E/X2. The unit was on the shelf with no closeout tag on it and when > > I > > > asked the clerk to scan it, his jaw almost hit the floor as he uttered a loud > > > "Holy SHIT!!"! His reaction resulted in a bit of a quiet conference between > > > several of the clerks which I interrupted with, "If you're thinking of getting > > > _this_ one for one of yourselves, please know that it _will_ cost you your job > > > here!". > > > > > > They VERY grudgingly handed it over. Sorry I couldn't get you one Jon. > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > James > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Jon W [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:51 PM > > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > Subject: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > 4x 4x 6x sony spressa external cdrw usb retial $279.99 on clearence at > > > > your local staples store for $79.99 > > > > > > > > HURRY UP ! if anyone can locate 2 of these please let me know, i will buy > > > > it from you ! all sold out on my area , according to the staples manager > > > > the store clerks snatch all these babies up themselves ! SO DO NOT CALL > > > > AND ASK !! > > > > > > > > THe SKU# is 432-438 in some store the discount is not reflected yet > > > > make sure to ask the manager to double check the sku & price !! > > > > > > > > > > > > PLease get an extra one for me !! > > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Sun Oct 1 12:49:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30097 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:49:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07908; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:45:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07709; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mur3.odyssey.on.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07696; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mur3.odyssey.on.ca (209.213.224.2 -> mur3.odyssey.on.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:45:17 -0400 Received: from odyssey.on.ca (ts2-31.odyssey.on.ca [209.213.227.81]) by mur3.odyssey.on.ca (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e91GjEm26601 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39D76990.4764AE85@odyssey.on.ca> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 12:42:56 -0400 From: Dave X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: 701C's (and a 755C) for sale to the group.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello Group! I have the following sitting in a corner of the office collecting dust... since I have gleaned much valuable info from this group over the years, these are offered here first. 1 ugly complete 701C and 2 parts units: 1-701C and 1-701CS The story goes like this... the complete 701C is 75/40MB/1.3 GIG.. A/C, Battery (NiMh), Floppy, Multiport, All Cables included, and original IBM 701 Manual... This unit was put together from various machines.. works OK, but looks kinda "ratty" underneath the keyboard at the front..you know, where those tiny tiny tiny Torx T1 screws are?..The keyboard does not lie flat when closed, because the strip holding the keyboard to the T1 screws was pried up and then reglued (not by me!). The bottom case could be replaced with the case from either of the other 2-701's Second unit is a 701C..75/16MB/1.2 GIG.. DEAD ACTIVE MATRIX SCREEN.. Bottom board and top board test OK..inverter card is OK..Replaced screen with a dual-scan screen from a 701 CS and Voila!! instant 701CS machine! Third 701 is a CS with a working bottom system board,top board, and top and bottom case, with a dead inverter and dead "C" screen... Altogether I have 1-32MB RAM, 1-8MB RAM, 4 batteries... 1 Ni-Cd and 3 Ni-Mh...all good, as far as I know...1 floppy drive, 2 floppy drive cables, 1 printer cable, 2 A/C adapters, 2 Multiports, 3 or 4 hard drive caddies, a tin full of various screws and parts ( why does IBM put them there in the first place, when I can install the whole machine back together and still have these things left over!!)...not a good thing, as Martha would say...Whatever is laying around here and even remotely looks like it is a kissing-cousin to a 701 gets added to the pile!..Also have the 701 HMM in PDF..can email to you if you don't already have the IBM address.. Everything listed (and keyboards) works fine... BUT THE SECOND 2 UNITS ARE DISMEMBERED AND LABELLED... and the first main unit should probably be taken apart and transferred to one of the other shells...like I say, it looks pretty dismal... 755C - 50 Mhz/20/720 with floppy, A/C adapter, and battery that holds a charge about as long as I can hold my breath... Unit has either been refurbished or used by someone who can't type, because the keyboard and screen look absolutely brand new... Unit looks good and SCREAMS...( well, if 50 Mhz could be considered as a screamer that is...) The 1.2 and 1.3 GIG H/D are loaded with WIN 95... the 720 MB is formatted DOS and has WIN 3.1 loaded. I would like to sell the 701's as 1 lot, and the 755 too, if you require same... I live in London, Ontario and truck down to L.A. every 10 days or so.. I am only home 3 or 4 days a month, and do not have the time to re-assemble these units, nor do I use them.. I can ship everything via UPS from Michigan, avoiding any customs hassles.. Please don't ask me to sell individual parts and pieces ( unless you are REALLY REALLY REALLYdesperate OR can set me up with a date with a Playboy centerfold!) My only other option is to part them out on Ebay, but: 1) I am short of time to catalogue every spare part for sale or to re-assemble these units, 2) I am not trying to make my fortune selling used computer parts. I can supply system board serial numbers if you require... no pics..not set up for it... My bank holds all American cheques for 10 days.. they will cash an INTERNATIONAL money order immediately. I will ship upon the bank's creditation of your funds to my account... if you're not happy with the condition of the lot, then I will return your money, but you pay the return shipping ( I have a U.S. Ship To: address in Indiana ) 701C and Cs.. the lot: $ 395 U.S. Funds, and I'll pay the shipping..( will be a 30 pound box !) 755C.. $225 U.S. Funds, and I'll pay the shipping. These were for a project that I never had time to complete, so if anybody is interested please let me know via email.. I try and catch up on that every 2 or 3 days on the road, so please be patient. Thanks and Regards. Dave Sims From cph Sun Oct 1 12:53:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30123 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:53:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08421; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:49:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08184; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08136; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:49:27 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUTLMOPAU88WYO8P@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:53:01 CST Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 11:53:00 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! In-reply-to: <20001001163851.HPRX23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> To: scosgt@att.net Cc: Richard Chalk , Tania , "James H. E. Maugham" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Its allright, better deals will come by in the future :) Just glad that ppl are getting a good deal and i am actually contributing something to this wonderful newslist. NOw scott, how does $90 + shipping sounds ? :p On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 scosgt@att.net wrote: > Richard, Richard, > you and I have done business before - > I bought at least 2 770 Enh Video Adaptors from you, > I think you have bought from me... > So stop trashing me! > I spent an entire afternoon driving around, using gas > (at $1.80 per around here!), wear and tear on my car, > and you begrudge me a profit and think I should sell to > list members at a loss. > Give me a break! > > OK, so lemme see if I got this straight.. > > > > We have this list, set up and maintained for the mutual benefit of ThinkPad > > owners... > > > > Then we got Jon, who posts a good deal, even if he can't get it for himself, > > and asks for help.. > > > > Then we got this guy, who, based on Jon's information, goes & finds 5 of > > these puppies... > > > > BUT!! > > > > Does he offer to help Jon? > > Does he offer to help other List members? > > > > Nah...he uses the information gratuitously posted by Jon to see an > > opportunity to make a few bux, while simultaneously restricting > > opportunities of others in his area to take advantage of the deal. > > > > Nice cooperative attitude... > > > > Richard > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Tania" > > Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" ; "Jon W" > > ; > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 8:21 PM > > Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! > > > > > > > I got FIVE (5) > > > Scoured Long Island, got 2 in one place and 3 in another! > > > EBAY here I come! > > > > Thanks from me too Jon- > > > > > > > > I got the last one at my nearest store as well. Because the store is 40 > > miles > > > > distant I had no choice but to call first. When I asked if they had any > > the > > > > clerk > > > > indicated they had one. I immediately asked for the manager and > > requested him > > > > to > > > > set it aside for me. I made sure to tell him that these were desirable > > and that > > > > it > > > > was no small trip for me to come and get it. He assured me that he > > would > > > > personally > > > > remove it from the shelf and put it away. > > > > > > > > Well an hour later I'm at the store and guess what? No drive. > > Bastards! > > > > > > > > A conference with the manager and a search of the store determined that > > the > > > > first > > > > employee I had spoken with became aware of the deal and hid it away for > > himself. > > > > The manager was telling him to clear out his locker as I left the store- > > drive > > > > in > > > > hand. No grudge against an employee trying to get a good deal, but this > > kid was > > > > just an out and out nimrod. > > > > > > > > In any event- Sorry I couldn't get you any Jon. Can I ask how you came > > by this > > > > incredible deal? > > > > > > > > Thanks again- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the headsup Jon, I got one. I literally ran out the door > > and sped > > > > > over to my local Staples (Rte. 70, Marlton, NJ) where I bagged the > > LAST one. > > > > > > > > > > SONY CRX100E/X2. The unit was on the shelf with no closeout tag on it > > and when > > > > I > > > > > asked the clerk to scan it, his jaw almost hit the floor as he uttered > > a loud > > > > > "Holy SHIT!!"! His reaction resulted in a bit of a quiet conference > > between > > > > > several of the clerks which I interrupted with, "If you're thinking of > > getting > > > > > _this_ one for one of yourselves, please know that it _will_ cost you > > your job > > > > > here!". > > > > > > > > > > They VERY grudgingly handed it over. Sorry I couldn't get you one Jon. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Jon W [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:51 PM > > > > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > > > Subject: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4x 4x 6x sony spressa external cdrw usb retial $279.99 on clearence > > at > > > > > > your local staples store for $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > HURRY UP ! if anyone can locate 2 of these please let me know, i > > will buy > > > > > > it from you ! all sold out on my area , according to the staples > > manager > > > > > > the store clerks snatch all these babies up themselves ! SO DO NOT > > CALL > > > > > > AND ASK !! > > > > > > > > > > > > THe SKU# is 432-438 in some store the discount is not reflected > > yet > > > > > > make sure to ask the manager to double check the sku & price !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLease get an extra one for me !! > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Sun Oct 1 13:17:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA30200 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:17:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09599; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:12:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09338; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.aros.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09325; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:12:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.aros.net (207.173.16.20 -> mail.aros.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:12:50 -0400 Received: from kalynda (dm4-182.slc.aros.net [207.173.25.182]) by mail.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA40367 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:12:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200010011712.LAA40367@mail.aros.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 11:00:51 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: OS/2 on a Thinkpad X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: I am not sure if there is a specific group or list that deals strictly with OS/2 on a Thinkpad, but I thought I might start here and see if I get a pointer or a FAQ. Lacking another place, I hope its okay to ask the questions in this forum. I have used OS/2 exclusively since v2.1, but my 760E came with Win98 so I left it on, but its starting to get on my nerves, and I am ready to set up the boot manager and work on getting OS/2 installed. Got all the files, and read the Notebook/2 site, and observed the obvious, that basically I should just do a simple install first, and then add the video, audio, etc after its up and running. That is the only way to install anything, IMO :) I used Partition Magic v 3.0 to move the Fat32 partition around to make room for boot manager and an HPFS partition for Warp. The first thing I realized was that Boot Manager (the one from Warp) has no idea what FAT32 is, so it did not assign it a drive letter in the setup, hence I could only make OS/2 a primary C partition, when I want it on an extended logical, with a drive letter D. As I write this I am wondering if the BM on Partition Magic might understand the Fat32? Anyway, I went ahead and made it a primary C, and started the install, when I got a message saying that the mouse device wasn't working? The mouse in question is the trackpoint on the keyboard. My 760E is the thin one, and needs to be on the docking station for the CD. I took it off, plugged in a PS/2 mouse, and ran the install as far as I could till it needed the CD, and did not get the mouse error. Problem is, the mouse won't plug in when its on the dock station as the eject tab 'thingy' is in the way, and even if I get it to install with an external mouse, I still need to be using the trackpoint :( Is the trackpoint button a real PS/2 mouse, or is there something I need to do to get the OS/2 install to see it? Thanks for the space here, and if I should be elsewhere asking these questions, just let me know. Best Regards, John From cph Sun Oct 1 13:39:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA30339 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:39:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10622; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:34:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10389; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10376; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (24.131.172.171 -> el10-24-131-172-171.ce.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:34:57 -0400 Received: from uic.edu ([172.16.172.99] [172.16.172.99] ) by yanos.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:34:54 -0600 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:34:53 -0500 (CDT) From: George Yanos Reply-To: George Yanos To: jbrush@aros.net cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: OS/2 on a Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <200010011712.LAA40367@mail.aros.net> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: gyanos@tigger.cc.uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: There are a set of drivers, video, track point, audio, even the winmodem, that you get from IBM. I don't know the specific address to use to download them because of poor memory and because I have a 600x, but the video driver is vftpros and you can probably find that on their support web site. I found their web site to be low key but very helpful. On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 jbrush@aros.net wrote: >I am not sure if there is a specific group or list that deals strictly >with OS/2 on a Thinkpad, but I thought I might start here and see if I get >a pointer or a FAQ. > >Lacking another place, I hope its okay to ask the questions in this forum. > >I have used OS/2 exclusively since v2.1, but my 760E came with Win98 so I >left it on, but its starting to get on my nerves, and I am ready to set up >the boot manager and work on getting OS/2 installed. > >Got all the files, and read the Notebook/2 site, and observed the obvious, >that basically I should just do a simple install first, and then add the >video, audio, etc after its up and running. That is the only way to >install anything, IMO :) > >I used Partition Magic v 3.0 to move the Fat32 partition around to make >room for boot manager and an HPFS partition for Warp. The first thing I >realized was that Boot Manager (the one from Warp) has no idea what FAT32 >is, so it did not assign it a drive letter in the setup, hence I could >only make OS/2 a primary C partition, when I want it on an extended >logical, with a drive letter D. As I write this I am wondering if the BM >on Partition Magic might understand the Fat32? > >Anyway, I went ahead and made it a primary C, and started the install, >when I got a message saying that the mouse device wasn't working? The >mouse in question is the trackpoint on the keyboard. My 760E is the thin >one, and needs to be on the docking station for the CD. I took it off, >plugged in a PS/2 mouse, and ran the install as far as I could till it >needed the CD, and did not get the mouse error. Problem is, the mouse >won't plug in when its on the dock station as the eject tab 'thingy' is in >the way, and even if I get it to install with an external mouse, I still >need to be using the trackpoint :( > >Is the trackpoint button a real PS/2 mouse, or is there something I need >to do to get the OS/2 install to see it? > >Thanks for the space here, and if I should be elsewhere asking these >questions, just let me know. > >Best Regards, > >John > > ********************************************************************* * George Yanos * * * UTC at UIC * * * 312-413-0059(w) * * * 708-848-4221(h) * * * gyanos@uic.edu * * ********************************************************************* From cph Sun Oct 1 14:22:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA30505 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:22:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12826; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:18:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12409; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12396; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:18:18 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA18505; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:18:16 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA07082; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001001111345.012af670@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 11:17:23 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Staples/Sony CD-RW deal In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 10:37 AM 10/1/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Best buy has the PNY technologies 64MB ram for sale at $59.99 after >rebate. > >Retail price for this is $129.99 ! ONly if my 770 has another memory slot >! argh !! > >dont forget to get an extra sony cdrw usb for me if its available. I will >gladly pay for your troubles. FYI, this Sony drive thing seems to be mostly an east coast thing (at least that's what one Staples store manager told me). Her computer only showed a couple in all of the Southern California area (and there's almost as many Staples out here as there are 7-11's--hell, we even named the new sports arena the "Staples Center"). Apparently there were quite a few back east, and that's where people on the list were writing in from with their success stories. Anyone in the west get anything? From cph Sun Oct 1 14:27:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA30519 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:27:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13573; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:23:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13119; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13106; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:23:49 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-8.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.161]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA25786 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:23:47 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: FW: A Senior Moment Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:29:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: I originally sent this message to Bill, who has tried to help (thanks Bill), but I'm still sort of stuck and thought I would throw it out for possible help from you wonderful folks on the list. I've got PM 3 through 5 available, so if anyone comes up with a use for that here, please let me know. Jane?? Worst case scenario is to borrow an outboard PCMCIA drive holder from Bill and attempt to reformat from one of my W2K 600's. Regards, James the Puzzled! -----Original Message----- From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:45 PM To: penzance@gate.net Subject: A Senior Moment Bill, HELLLLLLLLPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm at the point where I'm beginning to tear my hair out! System - TP755CD Pent with 2.1GB drive formatted in NTFS with W2K which WON'T start! Gives me a "The display driver failed to initialize" warning and shuts down on a BSOD telling me to call my Sysadmin! W98 bootdisk, of course, won't recognize the NTFS drive and I can't seem to get anything to run from the floppy with the exception of PartMagic bootdisk, but that won't convert the drive back to FAT32, nor does it recognize the drive from a DOS prompt. I've got 7 other machine here running W2K, but none of the boot disks I've built from the CD ERU will let me access the HD on the 755CD. At this point I'd be happy if I could _just_ format the HD back to FAT16 or FAT32 as I intend to re-load W95 on it. But there are a couple of files on it I'd like to have if possible, but they're not critical. Any thoughts? Warm regards, James From cph Sun Oct 1 14:27:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA30523 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:27:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13718; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:24:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13188; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13156; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:24:15 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA19097; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:24:14 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA08243; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001001112225.02945480@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 11:23:26 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: OS Compatibility...Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! In-Reply-To: <005501c02bc5$3a59f6e0$6a34ed89@bpd.harris.com> References: <20001001002159.DSOF23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Hey, Can anyone tell me if this Sony CD-R will work under Windows 2000? (Does Adaptec Easy CD Creator software work under Win2K?) - Randy From cph Sun Oct 1 14:33:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA30547 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:33:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14646; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:29:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14215; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14202; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:29:24 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA19633; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:29:23 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA09285; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001001112627.02944da0@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 11:28:35 -0700 To: , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! In-Reply-To: <20001001163851.HPRX23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmai l.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: He's right thought Scott--the *least* you could do is offer one to Jon for something reasonable, since he clued you in on this. Hell, you managed to get 5 of them...3 or 4 of which you can still go and sell. You wouldn't have *any* of them if not for Jon's posting of the information. At 04:38 PM 10/1/2000 +0000, you wrote: >Richard, Richard, >you and I have done business before - >I bought at least 2 770 Enh Video Adaptors from you, >I think you have bought from me... >So stop trashing me! >I spent an entire afternoon driving around, using gas >(at $1.80 per around here!), wear and tear on my car, >and you begrudge me a profit and think I should sell to >list members at a loss. >Give me a break! > > OK, so lemme see if I got this straight.. > > > > We have this list, set up and maintained for the mutual benefit of ThinkPad > > owners... > > > > Then we got Jon, who posts a good deal, even if he can't get it for > himself, > > and asks for help.. > > > > Then we got this guy, who, based on Jon's information, goes & finds 5 of > > these puppies... > > > > BUT!! > > > > Does he offer to help Jon? From cph Sun Oct 1 14:34:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA30551 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:34:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14916; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:30:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14369; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14354; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:30:52 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUTP6F2V6E8WYPBM@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:34:25 CST Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:34:24 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: Re: OS Compatibility...Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.20001001112225.02945480@pop3.iceka.com> To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: randy, sony has an updated driver for win2k. jon On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > Hey, > > Can anyone tell me if this Sony CD-R will work under Windows 2000? > > (Does Adaptec Easy CD Creator software work under Win2K?) > > - Randy > > From cph Sun Oct 1 14:38:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA30580 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:38:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15509; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:34:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15230; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15217; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:34:38 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA90418; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20001001113240.045a9100@houdini.dgoldman.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 11:33:57 -0700 To: TP List From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Staples/Sony CD-RW deal In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001001111345.012af670@pop3.iceka.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:17 AM 10/1/2000 , Randal Whittle wrote: >FYI, this Sony drive thing seems to be mostly an east coast thing (at least that's what one Staples store manager told me). > >Her computer only showed a couple in all of the Southern California area (and there's almost as many Staples out here as there are 7-11's--hell, we even named the new sports arena the "Staples Center"). > >Apparently there were quite a few back east, and that's where people on the list were writing in from with their success stories. Anyone in the west get anything? The last one in the San Francisco Bay area sold about an hour ago, unfortunately, not to me. :( -- David Goldman From cph Sun Oct 1 14:55:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA30639 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:55:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16792; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:52:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16497; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16484; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:52:17 -0400 Received: from 96.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.171.96]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001001185215.TQLN5657.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@96.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:52:15 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: TP List Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 18:52:13 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39d987cb.16584286@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20001001112627.02944da0@pop3.iceka.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001001112627.02944da0@pop3.iceka.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA30640 On Sun, 01 Oct 2000 11:28:35 -0700, you wrote: > He's right thought Scott--the *least* you could do is offer one to >Jon for something reasonable, since he clued you in on this. Hell, you >managed to get 5 of them...3 or 4 of which you can still go and sell. > > You wouldn't have *any* of them if not for Jon's posting of the >information. > I'll back up Randall on this one - not selling Jon one at cost + shipping is just plain greedy, imo. But it's your karma, Scott. Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Sun Oct 1 14:55:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA30643 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:55:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16788; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:51:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16353; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16338; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:51:20 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-70.gate.net [199.227.20.133]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA180538; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:51:13 -0400 Message-ID: <39D787D2.E60E017F@gate.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 14:52:02 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James H. E. Maugham" CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: FW: A Senior Moment References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the easiest thing, i THOUGHT, was to use PQM and convert it to fat32, or put it in another machine with a good OS and copy the files off.. then blast and reinstall.. "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > I originally sent this message to Bill, who has tried to help (thanks Bill), but > I'm still sort of stuck and thought I would throw it out for possible help from > you wonderful folks on the list. > > I've got PM 3 through 5 available, so if anyone comes up with a use for that > here, please let me know. Jane?? > > Worst case scenario is to borrow an outboard PCMCIA drive holder from Bill and > attempt to reformat from one of my W2K 600's. > > Regards, > > James the Puzzled! > > -----Original Message----- > From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:45 PM > To: penzance@gate.net > Subject: A Senior Moment > > Bill, > > HELLLLLLLLPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I'm at the point where I'm beginning to tear my hair out! System - TP755CD Pent > with 2.1GB drive formatted in NTFS with W2K which WON'T start! Gives me a "The > display driver failed to initialize" warning and shuts down on a BSOD telling me > to call my Sysadmin! > > W98 bootdisk, of course, won't recognize the NTFS drive and I can't seem to get > anything to run from the floppy with the exception of PartMagic bootdisk, but > that won't convert the drive back to FAT32, nor does it recognize the drive from > a DOS prompt. I've got 7 other machine here running W2K, but none of the boot > disks I've built from the CD ERU will let me access the HD on the 755CD. > > At this point I'd be happy if I could _just_ format the HD back to FAT16 or > FAT32 as I intend to re-load W95 on it. But there are a couple of files on it > I'd like to have if possible, but they're not critical. > > Any thoughts? > > Warm regards, > > James -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sun Oct 1 15:00:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA30686 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:00:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17619; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:57:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17279; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17264; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:57:37 -0400 Received: from jnipper ([216.199.4.149]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10338 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39D7B29C.5FCF@southeast.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 14:54:36 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! References: <4.2.0.58.20001001112627.02944da0@pop3.iceka.com> <39d987cb.16584286@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > He's right thought Scott--the *least* you could do is offer one to >Jon for something reasonable, since he clued you in on this. Hell, you >managed to get 5 of them...3 or 4 of which you can still go and sell. > > You wouldn't have *any* of them if not for Jon's posting of the >information. > I'll back up Randall on this one - not selling Jon one at cost + shipping is just plain greedy, imo. But it's your karma, Scott. Emanuel =================== I agree on this issue also, Emanuel. I guess some people are just "that way"... Jim -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net "Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue." "The average lifespan of electronic components is between zero and infinity, or two days after the warranty runs out,whichever comes first*<:) ==================== From cph Sun Oct 1 15:13:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA30753 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:13:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18463; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:10:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18292; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18279; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:10:52 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.54.85]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001001191050.TTLB5657.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:10:50 +0000 Message-ID: <39D78CA6.334F@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 15:12:38 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon W CC: scosgt@att.net, Richard Chalk , Tania , "James H. E. Maugham" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Oh, and BTW, they cost me $90 with sales tax. Jon W wrote: > > Its allright, better deals will come by in the future :) > Just glad that ppl are getting a good deal and i am actually contributing > something to this wonderful newslist. > > NOw scott, how does $90 + shipping sounds ? :p > > On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 scosgt@att.net wrote: > > > Richard, Richard, > > you and I have done business before - > > I bought at least 2 770 Enh Video Adaptors from you, > > I think you have bought from me... > > So stop trashing me! > > I spent an entire afternoon driving around, using gas > > (at $1.80 per around here!), wear and tear on my car, > > and you begrudge me a profit and think I should sell to > > list members at a loss. > > Give me a break! > > > OK, so lemme see if I got this straight.. > > > > > > We have this list, set up and maintained for the mutual benefit of ThinkPad > > > owners... > > > > > > Then we got Jon, who posts a good deal, even if he can't get it for himself, > > > and asks for help.. > > > > > > Then we got this guy, who, based on Jon's information, goes & finds 5 of > > > these puppies... > > > > > > BUT!! > > > > > > Does he offer to help Jon? > > > Does he offer to help other List members? > > > > > > Nah...he uses the information gratuitously posted by Jon to see an > > > opportunity to make a few bux, while simultaneously restricting > > > opportunities of others in his area to take advantage of the deal. > > > > > > Nice cooperative attitude... > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: "Tania" > > > Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" ; "Jon W" > > > ; > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 8:21 PM > > > Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! > > > > > > > > > > I got FIVE (5) > > > > Scoured Long Island, got 2 in one place and 3 in another! > > > > EBAY here I come! > > > > > Thanks from me too Jon- > > > > > > > > > > I got the last one at my nearest store as well. Because the store is 40 > > > miles > > > > > distant I had no choice but to call first. When I asked if they had any > > > the > > > > > clerk > > > > > indicated they had one. I immediately asked for the manager and > > > requested him > > > > > to > > > > > set it aside for me. I made sure to tell him that these were desirable > > > and that > > > > > it > > > > > was no small trip for me to come and get it. He assured me that he > > > would > > > > > personally > > > > > remove it from the shelf and put it away. > > > > > > > > > > Well an hour later I'm at the store and guess what? No drive. > > > Bastards! > > > > > > > > > > A conference with the manager and a search of the store determined that > > > the > > > > > first > > > > > employee I had spoken with became aware of the deal and hid it away for > > > himself. > > > > > The manager was telling him to clear out his locker as I left the store- > > > drive > > > > > in > > > > > hand. No grudge against an employee trying to get a good deal, but this > > > kid was > > > > > just an out and out nimrod. > > > > > > > > > > In any event- Sorry I couldn't get you any Jon. Can I ask how you came > > > by this > > > > > incredible deal? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the headsup Jon, I got one. I literally ran out the door > > > and sped > > > > > > over to my local Staples (Rte. 70, Marlton, NJ) where I bagged the > > > LAST one. > > > > > > > > > > > > SONY CRX100E/X2. The unit was on the shelf with no closeout tag on it > > > and when > > > > > I > > > > > > asked the clerk to scan it, his jaw almost hit the floor as he uttered > > > a loud > > > > > > "Holy SHIT!!"! His reaction resulted in a bit of a quiet conference > > > between > > > > > > several of the clerks which I interrupted with, "If you're thinking of > > > getting > > > > > > _this_ one for one of yourselves, please know that it _will_ cost you > > > your job > > > > > > here!". > > > > > > > > > > > > They VERY grudgingly handed it over. Sorry I couldn't get you one Jon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Jon W [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:51 PM > > > > > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > > > > Subject: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4x 4x 6x sony spressa external cdrw usb retial $279.99 on clearence > > > at > > > > > > > your local staples store for $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HURRY UP ! if anyone can locate 2 of these please let me know, i > > > will buy > > > > > > > it from you ! all sold out on my area , according to the staples > > > manager > > > > > > > the store clerks snatch all these babies up themselves ! SO DO NOT > > > CALL > > > > > > > AND ASK !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THe SKU# is 432-438 in some store the discount is not reflected > > > yet > > > > > > > make sure to ask the manager to double check the sku & price !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLease get an extra one for me !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Sun Oct 1 15:16:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA30764 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:16:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18998; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:13:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18645; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18632; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:13:20 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.54.85]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001001191318.TTTL5657.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:13:18 +0000 Message-ID: <39D78D3B.2290@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 15:15:07 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James H. E. Maugham" CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: FW: A Senior Moment References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a utility that goes on a floppy and will remove ANY partition I have ever encountered. If you get really stuck I'll try to find a way to upload it to you (but you need to create a bootable W95 floppy to use it). James H. E. Maugham wrote: > > I originally sent this message to Bill, who has tried to help (thanks Bill), but > I'm still sort of stuck and thought I would throw it out for possible help from > you wonderful folks on the list. > > I've got PM 3 through 5 available, so if anyone comes up with a use for that > here, please let me know. Jane?? > > Worst case scenario is to borrow an outboard PCMCIA drive holder from Bill and > attempt to reformat from one of my W2K 600's. > > Regards, > > James the Puzzled! > > -----Original Message----- > From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:45 PM > To: penzance@gate.net > Subject: A Senior Moment > > Bill, > > HELLLLLLLLPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I'm at the point where I'm beginning to tear my hair out! System - TP755CD Pent > with 2.1GB drive formatted in NTFS with W2K which WON'T start! Gives me a "The > display driver failed to initialize" warning and shuts down on a BSOD telling me > to call my Sysadmin! > > W98 bootdisk, of course, won't recognize the NTFS drive and I can't seem to get > anything to run from the floppy with the exception of PartMagic bootdisk, but > that won't convert the drive back to FAT32, nor does it recognize the drive from > a DOS prompt. I've got 7 other machine here running W2K, but none of the boot > disks I've built from the CD ERU will let me access the HD on the 755CD. > > At this point I'd be happy if I could _just_ format the HD back to FAT16 or > FAT32 as I intend to re-load W95 on it. But there are a couple of files on it > I'd like to have if possible, but they're not critical. > > Any thoughts? > > Warm regards, > > James From cph Sun Oct 1 15:18:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA30779 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:18:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19541; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:16:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19319; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19306; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:16:13 -0400 Received: from jnipper ([216.199.4.149]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA10782; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39D7B6EF.443B@southeast.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 15:13:03 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: Jon W , scosgt@att.net, Richard Chalk , Tania , "James H. E. Maugham" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! References: <39D78CA6.334F@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I am sure that there are many people on this list that would be willing to pay $90 + shipping for them... Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > Oh, and BTW, they cost me $90 with sales tax. > > Jon W wrote: > > > > Its allright, better deals will come by in the future :) > > Just glad that ppl are getting a good deal and i am actually contributing > > something to this wonderful newslist. > > > > NOw scott, how does $90 + shipping sounds ? :p > > > > On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 scosgt@att.net wrote: > > > > > Richard, Richard, > > > you and I have done business before - > > > I bought at least 2 770 Enh Video Adaptors from you, > > > I think you have bought from me... > > > So stop trashing me! > > > I spent an entire afternoon driving around, using gas > > > (at $1.80 per around here!), wear and tear on my car, > > > and you begrudge me a profit and think I should sell to > > > list members at a loss. > > > Give me a break! > > > > OK, so lemme see if I got this straight.. > > > > > > > > We have this list, set up and maintained for the mutual benefit of ThinkPad > > > > owners... > > > > > > > > Then we got Jon, who posts a good deal, even if he can't get it for himself, > > > > and asks for help.. > > > > > > > > Then we got this guy, who, based on Jon's information, goes & finds 5 of > > > > these puppies... > > > > > > > > BUT!! > > > > > > > > Does he offer to help Jon? > > > > Does he offer to help other List members? > > > > > > > > Nah...he uses the information gratuitously posted by Jon to see an > > > > opportunity to make a few bux, while simultaneously restricting > > > > opportunities of others in his area to take advantage of the deal. > > > > > > > > Nice cooperative attitude... > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: "Tania" > > > > Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" ; "Jon W" > > > > ; > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 8:21 PM > > > > Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got FIVE (5) > > > > > Scoured Long Island, got 2 in one place and 3 in another! > > > > > EBAY here I come! > > > > > > Thanks from me too Jon- > > > > > > > > > > > > I got the last one at my nearest store as well. Because the store is 40 > > > > miles > > > > > > distant I had no choice but to call first. When I asked if they had any > > > > the > > > > > > clerk > > > > > > indicated they had one. I immediately asked for the manager and > > > > requested him > > > > > > to > > > > > > set it aside for me. I made sure to tell him that these were desirable > > > > and that > > > > > > it > > > > > > was no small trip for me to come and get it. He assured me that he > > > > would > > > > > > personally > > > > > > remove it from the shelf and put it away. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well an hour later I'm at the store and guess what? No drive. > > > > Bastards! > > > > > > > > > > > > A conference with the manager and a search of the store determined that > > > > the > > > > > > first > > > > > > employee I had spoken with became aware of the deal and hid it away for > > > > himself. > > > > > > The manager was telling him to clear out his locker as I left the store- > > > > drive > > > > > > in > > > > > > hand. No grudge against an employee trying to get a good deal, but this > > > > kid was > > > > > > just an out and out nimrod. > > > > > > > > > > > > In any event- Sorry I couldn't get you any Jon. Can I ask how you came > > > > by this > > > > > > incredible deal? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the headsup Jon, I got one. I literally ran out the door > > > > and sped > > > > > > > over to my local Staples (Rte. 70, Marlton, NJ) where I bagged the > > > > LAST one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SONY CRX100E/X2. The unit was on the shelf with no closeout tag on it > > > > and when > > > > > > I > > > > > > > asked the clerk to scan it, his jaw almost hit the floor as he uttered > > > > a loud > > > > > > > "Holy SHIT!!"! His reaction resulted in a bit of a quiet conference > > > > between > > > > > > > several of the clerks which I interrupted with, "If you're thinking of > > > > getting > > > > > > > _this_ one for one of yourselves, please know that it _will_ cost you > > > > your job > > > > > > > here!". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They VERY grudgingly handed it over. Sorry I couldn't get you one Jon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Jon W [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:51 PM > > > > > > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > > > > > Subject: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4x 4x 6x sony spressa external cdrw usb retial $279.99 on clearence > > > > at > > > > > > > > your local staples store for $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HURRY UP ! if anyone can locate 2 of these please let me know, i > > > > will buy > > > > > > > > it from you ! all sold out on my area , according to the staples > > > > manager > > > > > > > > the store clerks snatch all these babies up themselves ! SO DO NOT > > > > CALL > > > > > > > > AND ASK !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THe SKU# is 432-438 in some store the discount is not reflected > > > > yet > > > > > > > > make sure to ask the manager to double check the sku & price !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLease get an extra one for me !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net "Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue." "The average lifespan of electronic components is between zero and infinity, or two days after the warranty runs out,whichever comes first*<:) ==================== From cph Sun Oct 1 15:31:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA30810 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:31:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20891; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:28:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20600; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot24.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20587; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot24.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.44 -> pilot24.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:28:56 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port19.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.20]) by pilot24.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e91JSqI45444 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:28:52 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001002032332.01f9d400@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 03:28:16 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: FW: A Senior Moment In-Reply-To: <39D78D3B.2290@worldnet.att.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I haven't been following this thread. Is there interest in something that will KILL a partition table outright? I could give you about 7 lines of assembly code that you can enter into DOS's debug program which will render any disk unbootable by smashing the partition table flat. --STeve Andre' At 03:15 PM 10/1/00 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >I have a utility that goes on a floppy and will remove ANY partition I >have ever encountered. If you get really stuck I'll try to find a way to >upload it to you (but you need to create a bootable W95 floppy to use >it). > >James H. E. Maugham wrote: > > > > I originally sent this message to Bill, who has tried to help (thanks > Bill), but > > I'm still sort of stuck and thought I would throw it out for possible > help from > > you wonderful folks on the list. > > > > I've got PM 3 through 5 available, so if anyone comes up with a use for > that > > here, please let me know. Jane?? > > > > Worst case scenario is to borrow an outboard PCMCIA drive holder from > Bill and > > attempt to reformat from one of my W2K 600's. > > > > Regards, > > > > James the Puzzled! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:45 PM > > To: penzance@gate.net > > Subject: A Senior Moment > > > > Bill, > > > > HELLLLLLLLPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > I'm at the point where I'm beginning to tear my hair out! System - > TP755CD Pent > > with 2.1GB drive formatted in NTFS with W2K which WON'T start! Gives me > a "The > > display driver failed to initialize" warning and shuts down on a BSOD > telling me > > to call my Sysadmin! > > > > W98 bootdisk, of course, won't recognize the NTFS drive and I can't > seem to get > > anything to run from the floppy with the exception of PartMagic > bootdisk, but > > that won't convert the drive back to FAT32, nor does it recognize the > drive from > > a DOS prompt. I've got 7 other machine here running W2K, but none of > the boot > > disks I've built from the CD ERU will let me access the HD on the 755CD. > > > > At this point I'd be happy if I could _just_ format the HD back to FAT16 or > > FAT32 as I intend to re-load W95 on it. But there are a couple of files > on it > > I'd like to have if possible, but they're not critical. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Warm regards, > > > > James From cph Sun Oct 1 15:34:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA30814 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:34:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21429; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:32:43 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21132; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:32:43 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id PAA10272 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16165; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:46:13 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUTPPF3S348WYM6O@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:49:44 CST Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:49:44 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: Re: Staples/Sony CD-RW deal In-reply-to: <4.2.1.20001001113240.045a9100@houdini.dgoldman.com> To: David Goldman Cc: TP List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: The last time i checked, there is one available in SUnnyvale, CA some kid went in there and the manger refused to honor the $79.99 thinking it was a mistake. THe kid 14 yr old (my online friend) just walk away since he didint really want it anyway ! arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!! maybe some one elder might be able to buy it IF THE MANAGER HIMSELF DIDINT BAGGED IT IN FIRST ! THe clearence is nationwide as SOny has discontinued on this product. On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, David Goldman wrote: > At 11:17 AM 10/1/2000 , Randal Whittle wrote: > > >FYI, this Sony drive thing seems to be mostly an east coast thing (at least that's what one Staples store manager told me). > > > >Her computer only showed a couple in all of the Southern California area (and there's almost as many Staples out here as there are 7-11's--hell, we even named the new sports arena the "Staples Center"). > > > >Apparently there were quite a few back east, and that's where people on the list were writing in from with their success stories. Anyone in the west get anything? > > The last one in the San Francisco Bay area sold about an hour ago, > unfortunately, not to me. :( > > -- > David Goldman > > From cph Sun Oct 1 15:36:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA30821 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:36:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22050; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:34:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21587; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3803.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21552; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3803.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.174 -> web3803.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:34:36 -0400 Message-ID: <20001001193435.21027.qmail@web3803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.15.109.121] by web3803.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 12:34:35 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:34:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Garrett Kaste Subject: PEOPLE POSTING BARGAINS To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-437116466-970428875=:19050" List-Unsubscribe: --0-437116466-970428875=:19050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lets stop putting all this about deals on computer hardware on this gourp. Lets keep in mind this is for IBM THINKPAD LAPTOPS. If anyone wants those deals all of them were taken from http://www.techbargains.com , everyone can go look for themselves. Garrett. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! --0-437116466-970428875=:19050 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

 Lets stop putting all this about deals on computer hardware on this gourp.  Lets keep in mind this is for IBM THINKPAD LAPTOPS.

 

If anyone wants those deals all of them were taken from http://www.techbargains.com , everyone can go look for themselves.

 

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Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! --0-437116466-970428875=:19050-- From cph Sun Oct 1 15:37:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA30835 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:37:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22463; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:35:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21835; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21822; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:35:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:35:23 -0400 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.59]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001001193522.KLZX22058.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:35:22 +0000 Received: from [24.189.193.217] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 19:35:22 +0000 To: "STeve Andre'" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FW: A Senior Moment Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 19:35:22 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: scosgt@att.net Message-Id: <20001001193522.KLZX22058.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: No, I think he was having a problem even booting from a boot disk, and I have a utility that will kill a partition with a bad table, so you can FDISK and format the drive. > I haven't been following this thread. > > Is there interest in something that will KILL a partition table outright? I > could give you about 7 lines of assembly code that you can enter into > DOS's debug program which will render any disk unbootable by smashing > the partition table flat. > > --STeve Andre' > > At 03:15 PM 10/1/00 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > >I have a utility that goes on a floppy and will remove ANY partition I > >have ever encountered. If you get really stuck I'll try to find a way to > >upload it to you (but you need to create a bootable W95 floppy to use > >it). > > > >James H. E. Maugham wrote: > > > > > > I originally sent this message to Bill, who has tried to help (thanks > > Bill), but > > > I'm still sort of stuck and thought I would throw it out for possible > > help from > > > you wonderful folks on the list. > > > > > > I've got PM 3 through 5 available, so if anyone comes up with a use for > > that > > > here, please let me know. Jane?? > > > > > > Worst case scenario is to borrow an outboard PCMCIA drive holder from > > Bill and > > > attempt to reformat from one of my W2K 600's. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > James the Puzzled! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:45 PM > > > To: penzance@gate.net > > > Subject: A Senior Moment > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > HELLLLLLLLPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > I'm at the point where I'm beginning to tear my hair out! System - > > TP755CD Pent > > > with 2.1GB drive formatted in NTFS with W2K which WON'T start! Gives me > > a "The > > > display driver failed to initialize" warning and shuts down on a BSOD > > telling me > > > to call my Sysadmin! > > > > > > W98 bootdisk, of course, won't recognize the NTFS drive and I can't > > seem to get > > > anything to run from the floppy with the exception of PartMagic > > bootdisk, but > > > that won't convert the drive back to FAT32, nor does it recognize the > > drive from > > > a DOS prompt. I've got 7 other machine here running W2K, but none of > > the boot > > > disks I've built from the CD ERU will let me access the HD on the 755CD. > > > > > > At this point I'd be happy if I could _just_ format the HD back to FAT16 or > > > FAT32 as I intend to re-load W95 on it. But there are a couple of files > > on it > > > I'd like to have if possible, but they're not critical. > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > James > From cph Sun Oct 1 15:38:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA30843 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:38:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22845; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:36:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22035; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22002; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:36:14 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-70.gate.net [199.227.20.133]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA106838; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:36:09 -0400 Message-ID: <39D79257.1C6FB31B@gate.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 15:36:55 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FW: A Senior Moment References: <5.0.0.25.0.20001002032332.01f9d400@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steve.. that little utility is already available.. i keep it on a floppy.. :-) with a skull and cross-bone logo.. its also available on the IBM stortage systems web site, same place DFT is available.. but its a vary dangerous thing to let roam freely about on any HDD.. STeve Andre' wrote: > I haven't been following this thread. > > Is there interest in something that will KILL a partition table outright? I > could give you about 7 lines of assembly code that you can enter into > DOS's debug program which will render any disk unbootable by smashing > the partition table flat. > > --STeve Andre' > > At 03:15 PM 10/1/00 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > >I have a utility that goes on a floppy and will remove ANY partition I > >have ever encountered. If you get really stuck I'll try to find a way to > >upload it to you (but you need to create a bootable W95 floppy to use > >it). > > > >James H. E. Maugham wrote: > > > > > > I originally sent this message to Bill, who has tried to help (thanks > > Bill), but > > > I'm still sort of stuck and thought I would throw it out for possible > > help from > > > you wonderful folks on the list. > > > > > > I've got PM 3 through 5 available, so if anyone comes up with a use for > > that > > > here, please let me know. Jane?? > > > > > > Worst case scenario is to borrow an outboard PCMCIA drive holder from > > Bill and > > > attempt to reformat from one of my W2K 600's. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > James the Puzzled! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:45 PM > > > To: penzance@gate.net > > > Subject: A Senior Moment > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > HELLLLLLLLPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > I'm at the point where I'm beginning to tear my hair out! System - > > TP755CD Pent > > > with 2.1GB drive formatted in NTFS with W2K which WON'T start! Gives me > > a "The > > > display driver failed to initialize" warning and shuts down on a BSOD > > telling me > > > to call my Sysadmin! > > > > > > W98 bootdisk, of course, won't recognize the NTFS drive and I can't > > seem to get > > > anything to run from the floppy with the exception of PartMagic > > bootdisk, but > > > that won't convert the drive back to FAT32, nor does it recognize the > > drive from > > > a DOS prompt. I've got 7 other machine here running W2K, but none of > > the boot > > > disks I've built from the CD ERU will let me access the HD on the 755CD. > > > > > > At this point I'd be happy if I could _just_ format the HD back to FAT16 or > > > FAT32 as I intend to re-load W95 on it. But there are a couple of files > > on it > > > I'd like to have if possible, but they're not critical. > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > James -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sun Oct 1 15:47:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA30884 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:47:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24061; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:44:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23741; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot03.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23728; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot03.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.23 -> pilot03.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:44:05 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port19.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.20]) by pilot03.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e91Ji1o14744 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:44:01 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001002034249.01faa2a0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 03:43:46 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: FW: A Senior Moment In-Reply-To: <39D79257.1C6FB31B@gate.net> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20001002032332.01f9d400@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Absolutely right, which is why I've never made it a .COM file--I keep it as raw assembly, typed into debug.com when needed. I would not keep such a program on my systems. --STeve At 03:36 PM 10/1/00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Steve.. > >that little utility is already available.. >i keep it on a floppy.. :-) >with a skull and cross-bone logo.. > >its also available on the IBM stortage systems web site, same place DFT is >available.. >but its a vary dangerous thing to let roam freely about on any HDD.. > >STeve Andre' wrote: > > > I haven't been following this thread. > > > > Is there interest in something that will KILL a partition table > outright? I > > could give you about 7 lines of assembly code that you can enter into > > DOS's debug program which will render any disk unbootable by smashing > > the partition table flat. > > > > --STeve Andre' > > > > At 03:15 PM 10/1/00 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > >I have a utility that goes on a floppy and will remove ANY partition I > > >have ever encountered. If you get really stuck I'll try to find a way to > > >upload it to you (but you need to create a bootable W95 floppy to use > > >it). > > > > > >James H. E. Maugham wrote: > > > > > > > > I originally sent this message to Bill, who has tried to help (thanks > > > Bill), but > > > > I'm still sort of stuck and thought I would throw it out for possible > > > help from > > > > you wonderful folks on the list. > > > > > > > > I've got PM 3 through 5 available, so if anyone comes up with a use for > > > that > > > > here, please let me know. Jane?? > > > > > > > > Worst case scenario is to borrow an outboard PCMCIA drive holder from > > > Bill and > > > > attempt to reformat from one of my W2K 600's. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > James the Puzzled! > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:45 PM > > > > To: penzance@gate.net > > > > Subject: A Senior Moment > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > HELLLLLLLLPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > I'm at the point where I'm beginning to tear my hair out! System - > > > TP755CD Pent > > > > with 2.1GB drive formatted in NTFS with W2K which WON'T start! Gives me > > > a "The > > > > display driver failed to initialize" warning and shuts down on a BSOD > > > telling me > > > > to call my Sysadmin! > > > > > > > > W98 bootdisk, of course, won't recognize the NTFS drive and I can't > > > seem to get > > > > anything to run from the floppy with the exception of PartMagic > > > bootdisk, but > > > > that won't convert the drive back to FAT32, nor does it recognize the > > > drive from > > > > a DOS prompt. I've got 7 other machine here running W2K, but none of > > > the boot > > > > disks I've built from the CD ERU will let me access the HD on the > 755CD. > > > > > > > > At this point I'd be happy if I could _just_ format the HD back to > FAT16 or > > > > FAT32 as I intend to re-load W95 on it. But there are a couple of files > > > on it > > > > I'd like to have if possible, but they're not critical. > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > James > >-- >--- > >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net >open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? >sic transit gloria From cph Sun Oct 1 15:53:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA30908 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:53:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24951; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:49:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24667; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot13.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24654; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot13.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.33 -> pilot13.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:49:27 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port19.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.20]) by pilot13.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e91JnNx40964; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:49:23 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001002034450.01fdd5d0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 03:49:04 -0400 To: Garrett Kaste , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: PEOPLE POSTING BARGAINS In-Reply-To: <20001001193435.21027.qmail@web3803.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_12287663==_.ALT" List-Unsubscribe: --=====================_12287663==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hmm. I'd have to disagree with this. If its something which is directly useful to ThinkPad owners, I think its a worthwhile thing to share. There are many aspects of TP's that I'm never going to be interested in, like OS/2. Yet people don't try and stop them because they're useful to others on the list. Myself, I had no need of the recent CD rw, but I had a user who could have used that, and forwarded it on to him. For me, as long as the subject has some relevance to TP's, I think its fair game for the list. If we don't adopt this thought, then how does one determine what is "reasonable" for the list? --STeve Andre' At 12:34 PM 10/1/00 -0700, Garrett Kaste wrote: > Lets stop putting all this about deals on computer hardware on this > gourp. Lets keep in mind this is for IBM THINKPAD LAPTOPS. > > > >If anyone wants those deals all of them were taken from >http://www.techbargains.com , everyone can go >look for themselves. > > > >Garrett. > > > >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 >Free! --=====================_12287663==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hmm.  I'd have to disagree with this.  If its something which is directly useful
to ThinkPad owners, I think its a worthwhile thing to share.

There are many aspects of TP's that I'm never going to be interested in, like
OS/2.  Yet people don't try and stop them because they're useful to others on
the list.

Myself, I had no need of the recent CD rw, but I had a user who could have
used that, and forwarded it on to him.

For me, as long as the subject has some relevance to TP's, I think its fair
game for the list.  If we don't adopt this thought, then how does one determine
what is "reasonable" for the list?

--STeve Andre'

At 12:34 PM 10/1/00 -0700, Garrett Kaste wrote:

 Lets stop putting all this about deals on computer hardware on this gourp.  Lets keep in mind this is for IBM THINKPAD LAPTOPS.

 

If anyone wants those deals all of them were taken from http://www.techbargains.com , everyone can go look for themselves.

 

Garrett.



Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free!
--=====================_12287663==_.ALT-- From cph Sun Oct 1 16:03:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA30957 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:03:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26207; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:59:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25935; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25913; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:59:13 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUTS9VH2NA8WYES9@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:02:43 CST Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 15:02:42 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! In-reply-to: <39D78CA6.334F@worldnet.att.net> To: Bruce Markowitz Cc: scosgt@att.net, Richard Chalk , Tania , "James H. E. Maugham" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Again, i am not forcing scosgt@att.net to sell me any. But i checked all the 6 staples location within 90 miles of my location and they were all out. I then , post out this GREAT deal on this wonderful list hoping for other members to get into the deal. On the side i was hoping maybe if they can find an extra one in their local staple stores they are willing to help me buy one too. Only after that, i submitted this deal to www.techbargains.com and other web sites. :) On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > Oh, and BTW, they cost me $90 with sales tax. > > > Jon W wrote: > > > > Its allright, better deals will come by in the future :) > > Just glad that ppl are getting a good deal and i am actually contributing > > something to this wonderful newslist. > > > > NOw scott, how does $90 + shipping sounds ? :p > > > > On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 scosgt@att.net wrote: > > > > > Richard, Richard, > > > you and I have done business before - > > > I bought at least 2 770 Enh Video Adaptors from you, > > > I think you have bought from me... > > > So stop trashing me! > > > I spent an entire afternoon driving around, using gas > > > (at $1.80 per around here!), wear and tear on my car, > > > and you begrudge me a profit and think I should sell to > > > list members at a loss. > > > Give me a break! > > > > OK, so lemme see if I got this straight.. > > > > > > > > We have this list, set up and maintained for the mutual benefit of ThinkPad > > > > owners... > > > > > > > > Then we got Jon, who posts a good deal, even if he can't get it for himself, > > > > and asks for help.. > > > > > > > > Then we got this guy, who, based on Jon's information, goes & finds 5 of > > > > these puppies... > > > > > > > > BUT!! > > > > > > > > Does he offer to help Jon? > > > > Does he offer to help other List members? > > > > > > > > Nah...he uses the information gratuitously posted by Jon to see an > > > > opportunity to make a few bux, while simultaneously restricting > > > > opportunities of others in his area to take advantage of the deal. > > > > > > > > Nice cooperative attitude... > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: "Tania" > > > > Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" ; "Jon W" > > > > ; > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 8:21 PM > > > > Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got FIVE (5) > > > > > Scoured Long Island, got 2 in one place and 3 in another! > > > > > EBAY here I come! > > > > > > Thanks from me too Jon- > > > > > > > > > > > > I got the last one at my nearest store as well. Because the store is 40 > > > > miles > > > > > > distant I had no choice but to call first. When I asked if they had any > > > > the > > > > > > clerk > > > > > > indicated they had one. I immediately asked for the manager and > > > > requested him > > > > > > to > > > > > > set it aside for me. I made sure to tell him that these were desirable > > > > and that > > > > > > it > > > > > > was no small trip for me to come and get it. He assured me that he > > > > would > > > > > > personally > > > > > > remove it from the shelf and put it away. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well an hour later I'm at the store and guess what? No drive. > > > > Bastards! > > > > > > > > > > > > A conference with the manager and a search of the store determined that > > > > the > > > > > > first > > > > > > employee I had spoken with became aware of the deal and hid it away for > > > > himself. > > > > > > The manager was telling him to clear out his locker as I left the store- > > > > drive > > > > > > in > > > > > > hand. No grudge against an employee trying to get a good deal, but this > > > > kid was > > > > > > just an out and out nimrod. > > > > > > > > > > > > In any event- Sorry I couldn't get you any Jon. Can I ask how you came > > > > by this > > > > > > incredible deal? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the headsup Jon, I got one. I literally ran out the door > > > > and sped > > > > > > > over to my local Staples (Rte. 70, Marlton, NJ) where I bagged the > > > > LAST one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SONY CRX100E/X2. The unit was on the shelf with no closeout tag on it > > > > and when > > > > > > I > > > > > > > asked the clerk to scan it, his jaw almost hit the floor as he uttered > > > > a loud > > > > > > > "Holy SHIT!!"! His reaction resulted in a bit of a quiet conference > > > > between > > > > > > > several of the clerks which I interrupted with, "If you're thinking of > > > > getting > > > > > > > _this_ one for one of yourselves, please know that it _will_ cost you > > > > your job > > > > > > > here!". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They VERY grudgingly handed it over. Sorry I couldn't get you one Jon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Jon W [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:51 PM > > > > > > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > > > > > Subject: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4x 4x 6x sony spressa external cdrw usb retial $279.99 on clearence > > > > at > > > > > > > > your local staples store for $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HURRY UP ! if anyone can locate 2 of these please let me know, i > > > > will buy > > > > > > > > it from you ! all sold out on my area , according to the staples > > > > manager > > > > > > > > the store clerks snatch all these babies up themselves ! SO DO NOT > > > > CALL > > > > > > > > AND ASK !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THe SKU# is 432-438 in some store the discount is not reflected > > > > yet > > > > > > > > make sure to ask the manager to double check the sku & price !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLease get an extra one for me !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Sun Oct 1 16:04:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA30969 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:04:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26764; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:01:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26416; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26402; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:01:52 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUTSDA3TZ88WYES9@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:05:27 CST Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 15:05:27 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: Re: PEOPLE POSTING BARGAINS In-reply-to: <20001001193435.21027.qmail@web3803.mail.yahoo.com> To: Garrett Kaste Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Garrett, I have said it many times and i will say it again. I DO NOT PROFIT 1 cent from these postings. In the past i have found that people on this list have benefited from my postings of deals. HOwever, if the majority of you do not want these postings in the future, I will be more than happy to stop. Either way it doesnt harm me at all. just let me know :) BTW, i am the one that sent the psot to www.techbargains.com On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Garrett Kaste wrote: > > Lets stop putting all this about deals on computer hardware on this gourp. Lets keep in mind this is for IBM THINKPAD LAPTOPS. > > If anyone wants those deals all of them were taken from http://www.techbargains.com , everyone can go look for themselves. > > Garrett. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! From cph Sun Oct 1 16:08:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA30987 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:08:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27458; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:05:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27164; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27151; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:05:19 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-8.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.161]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA09223; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:05:15 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "STeve Andre'" , "Garrett Kaste" , Subject: RE: PEOPLE POSTING BARGAINS Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:10:36 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001002034450.01fdd5d0@pilot.msu.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: I wholeheartedly concur with Steve. It's not like Jon is posting several times a day and most of messages have had some Thinkpad content by association. At least Jon's messages aren't in HTML with advertising attached! Regards, James From cph Sun Oct 1 16:18:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31023 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:18:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28511; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:14:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28290; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28277; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:14:38 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:14:30 -0400 Message-ID: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1F3A@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: "'Jon W '" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu '" Subject: RE: PEOPLE POSTING BARGAINS Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:14:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Jon, You've pointed me to a number of bargains, but Sarasota, Venice and Bradenton, Florida, didn't have any trace of a Sony CD burner. If I could have gotten you one I would have. If the list doesn't want your info, that's their business. But, please, keep it coming my way! Regards, Neil Numerous Thinkpads 20in IBM P201 monitor (refurb) 3com 56k/100basetx pc card etc -----Original Message----- From: Jon W To: Garrett Kaste Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sent: 10/1/00 5:05 PM Subject: Re: PEOPLE POSTING BARGAINS Garrett, I have said it many times and i will say it again. I DO NOT PROFIT 1 cent from these postings. In the past i have found that people on this list have benefited from my postings of deals. HOwever, if the majority of you do not want these postings in the future, I will be more than happy to stop. Either way it doesnt harm me at all. just let me know :) BTW, i am the one that sent the psot to www.techbargains.com On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Garrett Kaste wrote: > > Lets stop putting all this about deals on computer hardware on this gourp. Lets keep in mind this is for IBM THINKPAD LAPTOPS. > > If anyone wants those deals all of them were taken from http://www.techbargains.com , everyone can go look for themselves. > > Garrett. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! From cph Sun Oct 1 16:37:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31089 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:37:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00241; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:33:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29929; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29915; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:33:21 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA14117 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:33:12 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <005e01c02be6$d2ed1880$f662183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Thinkpad List" References: Subject: Re: A Senior Moment Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:33:04 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: There are a couple of minimal one-disk Linux minidistributions available; since recent versions of the kernel can mount NTFS drives, you might be able to use one of these to recover your files before reformatting. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Thinkpad List" Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 9:29 AM Subject: FW: A Senior Moment > I originally sent this message to Bill, who has tried to help (thanks Bill), but > I'm still sort of stuck and thought I would throw it out for possible help from > you wonderful folks on the list. > > I've got PM 3 through 5 available, so if anyone comes up with a use for that > here, please let me know. Jane?? > > Worst case scenario is to borrow an outboard PCMCIA drive holder from Bill and > attempt to reformat from one of my W2K 600's. > > Regards, > > James the Puzzled! > > -----Original Message----- > From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:45 PM > To: penzance@gate.net > Subject: A Senior Moment > > > Bill, > > HELLLLLLLLPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I'm at the point where I'm beginning to tear my hair out! System - TP755CD Pent > with 2.1GB drive formatted in NTFS with W2K which WON'T start! Gives me a "The > display driver failed to initialize" warning and shuts down on a BSOD telling me > to call my Sysadmin! > > W98 bootdisk, of course, won't recognize the NTFS drive and I can't seem to get > anything to run from the floppy with the exception of PartMagic bootdisk, but > that won't convert the drive back to FAT32, nor does it recognize the drive from > a DOS prompt. I've got 7 other machine here running W2K, but none of the boot > disks I've built from the CD ERU will let me access the HD on the 755CD. > > At this point I'd be happy if I could _just_ format the HD back to FAT16 or > FAT32 as I intend to re-load W95 on it. But there are a couple of files on it > I'd like to have if possible, but they're not critical. > > Any thoughts? > > Warm regards, > > James > > From cph Sun Oct 1 16:41:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31115 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:41:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01081; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:38:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00804; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00790; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:38:45 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id QAA10357; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:38:43 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id QAA08463; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001001132644.0292e3f0@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:36:47 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: PEOPLE POSTING BARGAINS In-Reply-To: <20001001193435.21027.qmail@web3803.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 12:34 PM 10/1/2000 -0700, you wrote: > Lets stop putting all this about deals on computer hardware on this > gourp. Lets keep in mind this is for IBM THINKPAD LAPTOPS. I have an idea: How about if you just shut up? I for one *like* the posted bargain aspect, even if I didn't manage to get one myself. This is one kind of "noise" in the signal-to-noise ratio that I can live with because of its great upside potential, and it *is* related to how we use our laptops (external USB, etc.). This certainly at least as helpful as some of the esoteric OS-related stuff like Linux & OS/2 that 98% of us never use or care about, but for some it is still important and ThinkPad-related. There's more useless bandwidth noise in your stupid HTML-formated cheapo free-E-mail account with an advertising banner at the bottom. You're living in a glass house--are you sure you want to get into a rock-throwing contest? Either deal with it or unsub. Your whining won't be missed. >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 >Free! From cph Sun Oct 1 16:43:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31132 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:43:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01439; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:39:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00921; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00908; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:39:44 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-8.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.161]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA14741; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:39:36 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: Cc: Subject: RE: FW: A Senior Moment Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:44:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20001001193522.KLZX22058.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: scosgt@att.net [mailto:scosgt@att.net] wrote: > No, I think he was having a problem even booting from a > boot disk, and I have a utility that will kill a > partition with a bad table, so you can FDISK and format > the drive. It may come to that. I _finally_ got PM5 ERU disks to boot after making the THIRD set as I was getting a "Media Error" message from the first two sets. When I check the drive I get the message that the C: drive was improperly dismounted and I should run CHKDSK/F from an NT boot. I'd be very happy to do that, but I don't HAVE an NT bootdisk. The PM Dr. Dos utilities all work _except_ CHKDSK, which says drive not ready for C:. The ideal solution would enable me to recover some files from the HD but, in the extreme, I would go with a HEXEDIT to kill the partition and start afresh. Too bad Lost & Found doesn't work on NTFS drives. :-( Of course, this _has_ to be the weekend my wife is without her 600 running NT4! Thanks for all the help so far. James From cph Sun Oct 1 16:45:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31143 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:45:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02379; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:42:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01877; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01857; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.241 -> mta5.snfc21.pbi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:42:55 -0400 Received: from postoffice.pacbell.net ([216.101.188.34]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G1R004O5QTZJK@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:40:32 -0700 From: Gerry Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! To: "James H. E. Maugham" Cc: Jon W , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-to: gerka@pacbell.net Message-id: <39D7A13F.E1CA3D36@postoffice.pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-PBI-NC404 (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: List-Unsubscribe: I just came from their San Mateo (California) store and got a "returned unit". I initially called them up and asked the Manager to "hold" the unit for me. The Manager told me the price was $ 279.99 and was surprised when I told him to check again. He was surprised to find out the discounted price!!! Jon, I called the Sta. Clara store and was told they "don't carry the Sony brand". Gerry From cph Sun Oct 1 16:49:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31159 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:49:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03190; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:44:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02300; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02258; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:44:28 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.188]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001001204426.JTBV9211.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:44:26 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001001164035.00a61bd0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 16:40:35 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: PEOPLE POSTING BARGAINS In-Reply-To: <20001001193435.21027.qmail@web3803.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: >

 Lets stop putting all this about deals on computer hardware on this gourp.  >Lets keep in mind this is for IBM THINKPAD LAPTOPS. >

  >

If anyone wants those deals all of them were taken from href="http://www.techbargains.com">http://www.techbargains.com , everyone can go look for >themselves. >

  >

Garrett.


Do You Yahoo!?
>Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free!html> I'd rather see you turn off your HTML. From cph Sun Oct 1 16:49:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31163 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:49:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03200; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:44:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02257; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02238; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:44:25 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA14151 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:44:21 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <008901c02be8$5ee44880$f662183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: <20001001193435.21027.qmail@web3803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: [TPmeta] was: Re: PEOPLE POSTING BARGAINS Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:44:17 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I think the CD-RW post was certainly appropriate to this list; the monitor post(s) possibly less so. As long as the subject header is appropriately descriptive and un-spammish one can choose to read or delete. Your complant would have been more effective in plain text instead of HTML with a Yahoo ad attached:-) - David R. (PS - by "TPmeta" in the subject I mean "about the TP list"; don't know if that one will catch on...) From cph Sun Oct 1 16:51:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31182 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:51:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04003; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:48:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03754; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03740; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:48:01 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-8.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.161]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA16093; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:47:54 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "David Ross" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: A Senior Moment Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:53:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <005e01c02be6$d2ed1880$f662183f@math.hawaii.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Dave, I'll keep that in mind as well. At this point, I think I'll put the old behemoth aside until tomorrow when my wife will have her 600 home and I can just make an NT bootdisk from it and copy the utils to it. Thanks again all. James > -----Original Message----- > From: David Ross [mailto:ross@math.hawaii.edu] > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 3:33 PM > To: Thinkpad List > Subject: Re: A Senior Moment > > > There are a couple of minimal one-disk Linux minidistributions > available; since > recent versions of the kernel can mount > NTFS drives, you might be able to use one of these to recover your > files before > reformatting. > > - David R. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James H. E. Maugham" > To: "Thinkpad List" > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 9:29 AM > Subject: FW: A Senior Moment > > > > I originally sent this message to Bill, who has tried to help (thanks Bill), > but > > I'm still sort of stuck and thought I would throw it out for possible help > from > > you wonderful folks on the list. > > > > I've got PM 3 through 5 available, so if anyone comes up with a use for that > > here, please let me know. Jane?? > > > > Worst case scenario is to borrow an outboard PCMCIA drive holder from Bill > and > > attempt to reformat from one of my W2K 600's. > > > > Regards, > > > > James the Puzzled! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:45 PM > > To: penzance@gate.net > > Subject: A Senior Moment > > > > > > Bill, > > > > HELLLLLLLLPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > I'm at the point where I'm beginning to tear my hair out! System - TP755CD > Pent > > with 2.1GB drive formatted in NTFS with W2K which WON'T start! Gives me a > "The > > display driver failed to initialize" warning and shuts down on a > BSOD telling > me > > to call my Sysadmin! > > > > W98 bootdisk, of course, won't recognize the NTFS drive and I can't seem to > get > > anything to run from the floppy with the exception of PartMagic > bootdisk, but > > that won't convert the drive back to FAT32, nor does it recognize the drive > from > > a DOS prompt. I've got 7 other machine here running W2K, but none > of the boot > > disks I've built from the CD ERU will let me access the HD on the 755CD. > > > > At this point I'd be happy if I could _just_ format the HD back to FAT16 or > > FAT32 as I intend to re-load W95 on it. But there are a couple of > files on it > > I'd like to have if possible, but they're not critical. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Warm regards, > > > > James > > > > From cph Sun Oct 1 17:06:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31246 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:06:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06261; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:02:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06021; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06008; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:02:16 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-8.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.161]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA18570; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 21:02:13 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: Cc: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: FW: A Senior Moment Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:07:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39D787D2.E60E017F@gate.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] wrote: > the easiest thing, i THOUGHT, was to use PQM and convert it to fat32, > or > put it in another machine with a good OS and copy the files off.. > then > blast and reinstall.. That was my original intent and I was certain PM5 wouldn't let me down. But, it can't/won't fix the improper dismount problem on the C: drive, hence, I'm stuck. I've got 5 releases of W2K from BETA2 to RTM and none of them are of any help! The bootdisks that can be built from the CD's won't see the HD for some unknown reason. Nor can I run setup from the CD and then select repair, as none of the boot programs that DO work will load the CD drivers. Grrrrrrrrrrrr. Ah well, tomorrow I'll be able to make an NT bootdisk and hopefully all will be resolved. Regards, James From cph Sun Oct 1 17:06:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31251 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:06:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05146; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:54:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04883; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04848; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.241 -> mta5.snfc21.pbi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:54:16 -0400 Received: from postoffice.pacbell.net ([216.101.188.34]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G1R004QRRBVJK@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:51:15 -0700 From: Gerry Subject: Re: Staples/Sony CD-RW deal To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Reply-to: gerka@pacbell.net Message-id: <39D7A3C3.159443DE@postoffice.pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-PBI-NC404 (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <4.2.0.58.20001001111345.012af670@pop3.iceka.com> List-Unsubscribe: > Anyone in the west get anything? I got a "returned unit" from their San Mateo store, after going to 4 other stores in the Bay Area. The manager was surprised to find out about the discontinued price!! David, I don't think that was me. It could have been the South City branch clerk who bagged the only unit. I was originally told that there was one, but was told later that "it was out of stock"!!! gerry Gerry San Bruno From cph Sun Oct 1 17:08:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31260 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:08:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06854; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:04:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06488; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06475; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:04:46 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (adsl-141-152-140-146.bellatlantic.net [141.152.140.146]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA04440; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:04:37 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 17:04:42 -0400 Subject: Re: OS Compatibility...Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! From: James Biggerstaff To: Randal Whittle , TP List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001001112225.02945480@pop3.iceka.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: on 10/1/00 2:23 PM, Randal Whittle at rwhittle@usa.net wrote: > Hey, > > Can anyone tell me if this Sony CD-R will work under Windows 2000? Yes. Sony has an update available, about 3MB. If I remember correctly it was "medium hard" to find. Will be happy to email it to you if you can't find it. For once I had enough on the ball to save a copy. > > (Does Adaptec Easy CD Creator software work under Win2K?) Yes, if you update to the latest version, 4.02 if memory serves. I've had nothing but luck with my Sony under Win2K running the Sony software as well as Win2K. CDRWIN works as well, but for me only under Win98, not Win2K. This may be a case of my not trying at all to get it to work. It is a dandy machine. jim From cph Sun Oct 1 17:11:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31285 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:11:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07454; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:08:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07193; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07180; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:08:16 -0400 Received: from 188.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.149.188]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001001210815.JKIC23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@188.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 21:08:15 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP600] Case Cleaning? Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 21:08:12 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39dba739.24631881@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id RAA31286 The case of my 600E seems to pick up fingerprint oils like it's a life's ambition or something. What are people using to return them to that wonderful matte-black finish? I was thinking something with a bit of ammonia (removes fingerprint oils, according to my mystery novel collection :-). Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Sun Oct 1 17:12:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31295 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:12:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07947; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:10:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07463; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07413; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:09:58 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (adsl-141-152-140-146.bellatlantic.net [141.152.140.146]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA06604; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:09:43 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 17:09:48 -0400 Subject: Re: PEOPLE POSTING BARGAINS From: James Biggerstaff To: "STeve Andre'" , Garrett Kaste , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001002034450.01fdd5d0@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3053264988_1289691_MIME_Part" List-Unsubscribe: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3053264988_1289691_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I enjoy Jon's posts, although I have no been able to take advantage of any of them. One has to realize that perhaps 95% of the posts on a mailing list aren't of much interest to any given individual, but the "pearls" more than make up for the rest. I continue to be thankful for many pearls over the years. jim --MS_Mac_OE_3053264988_1289691_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: PEOPLE POSTING BARGAINS
I enjoy Jon's posts, although I have no been able to take advan= tage of any of them.

One has to realize that perhaps 95% of the posts on a mailing list aren't o= f much interest to any given individual, but the "pearls" more tha= n make up for the rest.

I continue to be thankful for many pearls over the years.

jim





--MS_Mac_OE_3053264988_1289691_MIME_Part-- From cph Sun Oct 1 17:31:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31360 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:31:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10165; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:29:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09703; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09690; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:29:10 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA14256; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:29:00 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <00ce01c02bee$9eaca7e0$f662183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , References: <39dba739.24631881@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: [TP600] Case Cleaning? Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:28:55 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > The case of my 600E seems to pick up fingerprint oils like it's a > life's ambition or something. What are people using to return them to > that wonderful matte-black finish? I was thinking something with a bit > of ammonia (removes fingerprint oils, according to my mystery novel > collection :-). Ammonia should be a last resort, as it can harm some plastics and paint. A good microfiber cleaning cloth (e.g., a heavy duty lens cloth from your local photo store, or even the new 3M cloths [though I don't like the nobbiness]) should remove most fingerprints without any liquid at all. Otherwise, try misting the cloth first with a 50/50 solution of rubbing alcohol and water. Novus makes a nice line of plastic polishes. Most of these are somewhat abrasive, and will de-matte the finish, but their lightest is really a cleaner, not a polish, and works well on ThinkPads. - David R. From cph Sun Oct 1 17:33:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31364 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:33:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09875; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:28:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09533; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09509; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:27:59 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.171] (helo=139-142-112-171.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13fqdi-0009FX-00 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 14:27:18 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Staples/Sony CD-RW deal Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 14:15:21 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <5d7154miphXO092yn@islandnet.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20001001111345.012af670@pop3.iceka.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001001111345.012af670@pop3.iceka.com> Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: And do these amazing deals cross the border? We have lots of Staples in Canada. One is only a 15-minute drive away. But if there is no *chance* of finding one of these babies cheap, .... > > FYI, this Sony drive thing seems to be mostly an east coast thing >(at least that's what one Staples store manager told me). > -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Sun Oct 1 18:05:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA31498 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:05:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13061; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:01:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12819; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12805; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:01:24 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA14321; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:01:18 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000d01c02bf3$1efe3f40$4562183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Thinkpad List" , "James H. E. Maugham" Subject: [TPall] Boot disks (was: Re: A Senior Moment) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:01:13 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: James and all, I just remembered the following site, which everyone might find useful: http://nospin.com/ Among other things, they have a complete set of boot disks for all MS operating systems available for downloading. In particular, James needn't wait for his wife before trying an NT boot disk. (Anyone who found this useful can send me a USB CD-RW drive by way of thanks:-) - David R. From cph Sun Oct 1 19:04:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA31844 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:04:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16476; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:58:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16151; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16138; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (194.75.152.224 -> doggy.lineone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:58:53 -0400 Received: from hicdbs (host212-140-38-30.btinternet.com [212.140.38.30]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA19343 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:58:47 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200010012258.XAA19343@scooby.lineone.net> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:50:54 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200010011712.LAA40367@mail.aros.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: OS/2 on a Thinkpad List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id TAA16476 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA31845 On Sun, 01 Oct 2000 11:00:51 -0600, jbrush@aros.net wrote: >I am not sure if there is a specific group or list that deals strictly >with OS/2 on a Thinkpad, but I thought I might start here and see if I get >a pointer or a FAQ. >Lacking another place, I hope its okay to ask the questions in this forum. yup, lots of OS/2 guys in here with ThinkPads :) >I have used OS/2 exclusively since v2.1, but my 760E came with Win98 so I >left it on, but its starting to get on my nerves, and I am ready to set up >the boot manager and work on getting OS/2 installed. ah good choice ;) >I used Partition Magic v 3.0 to move the Fat32 partition around to make >room for boot manager and an HPFS partition for Warp. The first thing I >realized was that Boot Manager (the one from Warp) has no idea what FAT32 >is, so it did not assign it a drive letter in the setup, hence I could >only make OS/2 a primary C partition, when I want it on an extended >logical, with a drive letter D. As I write this I am wondering if the BM >on Partition Magic might understand the Fat32? There is a FAT32 driver, you can find it on http://hobbes.nmsu.edu >Anyway, I went ahead and made it a primary C, and started the install, >when I got a message saying that the mouse device wasn't working? The >mouse in question is the trackpoint on the keyboard. My 760E is the thin >one, and needs to be on the docking station for the CD. I took it off, >plugged in a PS/2 mouse, and ran the install as far as I could till it >needed the CD, and did not get the mouse error. Problem is, the mouse >won't plug in when its on the dock station as the eject tab 'thingy' is in >the way, and even if I get it to install with an external mouse, I still >need to be using the trackpoint :( You can ignore that error. The install should go on fine. But first make sure you download the latest Installation Disks from the IBM DDpak site, they have been updated to support Thinkpads. >Is the trackpoint button a real PS/2 mouse, or is there something I need >to do to get the OS/2 install to see it? Not really, it should work with the Generic PS/2 driver. You are probably using old install disks and thats why you are getting that error. There is also the IBM TrackPoint driver for OS/2, which can be found on the Device Driver Matrix on IBM's website. You may also want to try the SDD video drivers, which are really fast, and support most ThinkPads. Any questions, feel free to ask. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Oct 1 19:22:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA31932 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:22:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17821; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:18:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17625; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17612; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (194.75.152.224 -> doggy.lineone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:18:32 -0400 Received: from hicdbs (host212-140-42-1.btinternet.com [212.140.42.1]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA24525 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:18:27 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200010012318.AAA24525@scooby.lineone.net> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 00:17:21 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20001001193435.21027.qmail@web3803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: PEOPLE POSTING BARGAINS List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id TAA17821 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA31933 On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:34:35 -0700 (PDT), Garrett Kaste wrote: > Lets stop putting all this about deals on computer hardware on this >gourp. Lets keep in mind this is for IBM THINKPAD LAPTOPS. I disagree with you. There are many aspects of TP's that I'm never going to be interested in, like M$ Windows. Yet people don't try and stop them because they're useful to others on the list. well now that i think about it, we should put a ban on people talking about windoze. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Oct 1 19:31:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA31971 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:31:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18557; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:28:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18379; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18366; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:28:31 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-8.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.161]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA10383; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:28:28 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "David Ross" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: [TPall] Boot disks (was: Re: A Senior Moment) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:33:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000d01c02bf3$1efe3f40$4562183f@math.hawaii.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: David Ross [mailto:ross@math.hawaii.edu] wrote: > I just remembered the following site, which everyone might find useful: > > http://nospin.com/ > > Among other things, they have a complete set of boot disks for all MS > operating systems available for downloading. > In particular, James needn't wait for his wife before trying an NT boot disk. In another senior moment, I had completely forgotten about www.bootdisk.com from which I'm presently downloading the NT4 bootdisk images. DOH!! I hate it when that happens! > (Anyone who found this useful can send me a USB CD-RW drive by way of > thanks:-) No problem Dave, it will becoming via truck from LA, watch for it to float by! ;-) Regards, James From cph Sun Oct 1 19:37:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA32006 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:37:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19231; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:35:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19024; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19009; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:35:20 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.48.1.210 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:34:26 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c02c00$a70f6500$d201303f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" References: <200010012318.AAA24525@scooby.lineone.net> Subject: Re: PEOPLE POSTING BARGAINS Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:38:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: > Lets stop putting all this about deals on computer hardware on this >gourp. Lets keep in mind this is for IBM THINKPAD LAPTOPS. I think it's great. Jon you get a cookie. Booger From cph Sun Oct 1 19:46:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA32058 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:46:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20108; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:44:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19885; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eve.speakeasy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19826; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eve.speakeasy.net (216.254.0.17 -> eve.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:43:55 -0400 Received: from RWMann.com (rwmann-4.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.73.95]) by eve.speakeasy.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e91NmZH09560; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:48:36 -0700 Message-ID: <39D7CC0C.80A8798B@RWMann.com> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 19:43:08 -0400 From: RWM Organization: R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Users CC: Brad Burean Subject: Re: PEOPLE POSTING BARGAINS References: <200010012318.AAA24525@scooby.lineone.net> <002101c02c00$a70f6500$d201303f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Whoa! Have to agree with Brad, here. This NG is far more valuable than the official UGs (fora), and the deals are welcomed. - Bob Mann, 560Z, 560, 510Cs Brad Burean wrote: > > > Lets stop putting all this about deals on computer hardware on this > >gourp. Lets keep in mind this is for IBM THINKPAD LAPTOPS. > > I think it's great. Jon you get a cookie. > > Booger -- R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. > Airline Industry Analysis and Consulting Port Washington, NY 11050 > tel 516-944-0900, fax 516-944-7280 mailto:info@RWMann.com > URL http://www.RWMann.com/ From cph Sun Oct 1 22:52:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA00484 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:52:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01713; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:46:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01275; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01249; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.103 -> pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:46:09 -0400 Received: from CHUCK (adsl-63-201-80-27.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.201.80.27]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e922k7Z109364 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:46:07 -0400 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:45:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Staples/Sony CD-RW deal Reply-to: chuck@ccncn.org Message-ID: <39D79470.197.DD8CCA@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.20001001111345.012af670@pop3.iceka.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: On 1 Oct 2000, at 11:17, Randal Whittle wrote: > Apparently there were quite a few back east, and that's where > people on the list were writing in from with their success stories. Anyone > in the west get anything? > Not me. Tried the stores in Sacramento and Tracy, California. No joy. From cph Sun Oct 1 22:58:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA00502 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:58:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02522; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:55:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02263; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02241; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:55:11 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUU6SI2H8W8WYO4Z@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 21:58:35 CST Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 21:58:35 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: Re: Staples/Sony CD-RW deal In-reply-to: <39D79470.197.DD8CCA@localhost> To: Chuck Blaisdell Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: FOr those that got the puppy heres the link to sony's website for drivers updates win2k and other misc ...etc http://sony.storagesupposrt.com/cdrw enjoy ! From cph Sun Oct 1 23:07:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA00543 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:07:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03600; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:03:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03277; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0p.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03264; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0p.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.45 -> www0p.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:03:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 4540 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2000 03:03:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20001002030351.4539.qmail@www0p.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.45 by www0p for [24.163.172.50] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Mon Oct 2 03:03:51 GMT 2000 Date: 1 Oct 00 22:03:51 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "James H. E. Maugham" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: FW: A Senior Moment X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id XAA00544 Perhaps you could do a parallel install of Windows 2000. Then you could boot to the drive and either repair the original Win2000 installation or copy your files off. In order to do this, just start the installation from the 2000 CD and choose another directory on your C: drive as the install directory (such as C:\WINNTFIX). If you have more questions about this process let me know. Rob rbell1@netscape.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Sun Oct 1 23:16:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA00580 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:16:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04688; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:12:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04406; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0x.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04361; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0x.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.53 -> www0x.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:12:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 19147 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2000 03:12:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20001002031224.19146.qmail@www0x.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.53 by www0x for [24.163.172.50] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Mon Oct 2 03:12:24 GMT 2000 Date: 1 Oct 00 22:12:24 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Jon W Subject: Re: PEOPLE POSTING BARGAINS CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id XAA00581 If it's somehow ThinkPad related (monitor, USB-device, whatever) I certainly don't mind seeing it on the TP list. After all, the poster is not profiting >from it. Now if you're trying to tell me about a super deal on a cordless phone then you can keep that one to yourself! ;-) Rob Jon W wrote: > Garrett, > I have said it many times and i will say it again. I DO NOT > PROFIT 1 cent from these postings. In the past i have found that people on > this list have benefited from my postings of deals. > > HOwever, if the majority of you do not want these postings in the > future, I will be more than happy to stop. Either way it doesnt harm me at > all. just let me know :) > > BTW, i am the one that sent the psot to www.techbargains.com > ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Mon Oct 2 00:54:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA00957 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:54:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11720; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:51:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11361; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11346; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:51:28 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-8.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.161]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA02011; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 04:51:19 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Rob Bell" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: FW: A Senior Moment Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:56:47 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20001002030351.4539.qmail@www0p.netaddress.usa.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Rob Bell [mailto:rbell1@netscape.net] wrote: > Perhaps you could do a parallel install of Windows 2000. Then you could boot > to the drive and either repair the original Win2000 installation or copy your > files off. In order to do this, just start the installation from the 2000 CD > and choose another directory on your C: drive as the install directory (such > as C:\WINNTFIX). > > If you have more questions about this process let me know. That part is straight forward Rob. If I could get to or boot from the CD, I'd just run setup and then select repair. Problem now is that I can't seem to get CHKDSK to repair any problems on the drive and PM5 shuts down after 2% conversion from NTFS to FAT16 or FAT32 with an indecipherable error code. Ah well, tomorrow is another day. Perhaps my sole remaining neuron will feel more like firing after a bit of shuteye. Regards, James From cph Mon Oct 2 01:09:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA01038 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 01:09:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12922; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 01:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 01:07:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12671; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 01:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12658; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 01:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usc.edu (128.125.253.136 -> usc.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 01:07:17 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (root@scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with ESMTP id WAA25390 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jameswu (ppp-229-099.usc.edu [128.125.229.99]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with SMTP id WAA01375 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001f01c02c2f$d8e07e50$63e57d80@jameswu> From: "James Wu" To: Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:15:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C02BF5.2BB7EDB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C02BF5.2BB7EDB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C02BF5.2BB7EDB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C02BF5.2BB7EDB0-- From cph Mon Oct 2 01:11:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA01055 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 01:11:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13367; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 01:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 01:08:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12875; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 01:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.nctu.edu.tw (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12846; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 01:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.nctu.edu.tw (140.113.23.5 -> mail.cis.nctu.edu.tw) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 01:08:49 -0400 Received: from cissun54.cis.nctu.edu.tw (gis88520@cissun54.cis.nctu.edu.tw [140.113.23.54]) by mail.cis.nctu.edu.tw (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA07931 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:01:16 +0800 (CST) Received: (from gis88520@localhost) by cissun54.cis.nctu.edu.tw (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10228 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:13:52 +0800 (CST) From: Tai-Chen Chen Message-Id: <200010020513.NAA10228@cissun54.cis.nctu.edu.tw> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:13:48 +0800 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id BAA13367 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id BAA01056 -- Best Regards, ----------------------- Tai-Chen Chen¡]³¯®õ㸡^ E-mail: tcchen@cis.nctu.edu.tw gis88520@cis.nctu.edu.tw is84056@cis.nctu.edu.tw VLSI Systems Laboratory Institute of Computer & Information Science National Chiao Tung University, HsinChu 300, Taiwan, R.O.C. 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Yang From cph Mon Oct 2 07:26:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA02500 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:26:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03263; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:23:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03081; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpie.csie.nctu.edu.tw (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03068; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpie.csie.nctu.edu.tw (140.113.209.21 -> magpie.csie.nctu.edu.tw) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:23:24 -0400 Received: (from chengyc@localhost) by magpie.csie.nctu.edu.tw (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA50036 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:23:34 +0800 (CST) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:23:34 +0800 From: Julian Yu-Chung Chen To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: subscribe Message-ID: <20001002192334.A50026@csie.nctu.edu.tw> Reply-To: chengyc@csie.nctu.edu.tw Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i List-Unsubscribe: subscribe From cph Mon Oct 2 09:40:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA03106 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:40:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13016; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:36:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12646; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mailserver249 (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12630; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mailserver249 (12.30.178.249 -> mailserver249.halfpricehosting.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:36:45 -0400 Received: from snapper3 [203.167.242.91] by Mailserver249 with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.03) id A12826F40258; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 09:44:08 -0400 From: "Will Lau" To: Subject: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:37:04 +1300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200010020513.NAA10228@cissun54.cis.nctu.edu.tw> List-Unsubscribe: Are these new IBM drives any faster than say my 12Gig Travelstar? Or the 18-20 Gig HDDs? Any real world increase in speed? From cph Mon Oct 2 11:06:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA03713 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:06:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24865; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:02:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24451; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24429; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.13 -> mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:02:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 47931 invoked by alias); 2 Oct 2000 15:02:08 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 47902 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2000 15:02:07 -0000 Received: from dialupu92.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (207.109.17.92) by mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 15:02:07 -0000 Message-ID: <003a01c02c81$c67c1d80$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "Jon W" , References: Subject: Re: PCI expansion with selecta dock ? Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:02:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I have a Plextor 8/2/20 CD-R/RW drive (SCSI) in my SelectaDock III with my 600X. It will not burn a CD correctly using Adaptec Easy CD Creator 3.5c, but Plextor's software works, as does Direct CD. EasyCDC 4.0 may be better. I've not yet tried my 3dfx Voodoo 3 2000 PCI card in it yet. I'm sure that would disable hot docking, and likely warm docking as well. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon W" Subject: PCI expansion with selecta dock ? > any one had any experience on running a 3d graphics accelerator geforce, > tnt ..etc using a selctadock or selecta base ? HOw reliable are these > expansion machine ?? Thinking of getting 30 gig 7200 rpm internal 30 gig > hdd, and a cdrw on the selectadock III. From cph Mon Oct 2 12:26:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA04443 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:26:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06609; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:20:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05679; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.cc.emory.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05665; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.cc.emory.edu (170.140.29.37 -> Pluto.cc.emory.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:20:42 -0400 Received: from rbright (anx50-12.dialup.emory.edu [170.140.250.12]) by pluto.cc.emory.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e92GJg311683; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:19:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rick A. Bright" To: , "Richard Chalk" Cc: "Tania" , "James H. E. Maugham" , "Jon W" , Subject: RE: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:19:48 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20001001163851.HPRX23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Was anyone able to pick up an extra one that they wish to sell? They were sold out in Atlanta 2 days before I got the word from this group. Thanks for letting me know, wish I could have received word 2 days sooner. Rick -----Original Message----- From: scosgt@att.net [mailto:scosgt@att.net] Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 12:39 PM To: Richard Chalk Cc: Tania; James H. E. Maugham; Jon W; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! Richard, Richard, you and I have done business before - I bought at least 2 770 Enh Video Adaptors from you, I think you have bought from me... So stop trashing me! I spent an entire afternoon driving around, using gas (at $1.80 per around here!), wear and tear on my car, and you begrudge me a profit and think I should sell to list members at a loss. Give me a break! > OK, so lemme see if I got this straight.. > > We have this list, set up and maintained for the mutual benefit of ThinkPad > owners... > > Then we got Jon, who posts a good deal, even if he can't get it for himself, > and asks for help.. > > Then we got this guy, who, based on Jon's information, goes & finds 5 of > these puppies... > > BUT!! > > Does he offer to help Jon? > Does he offer to help other List members? > > Nah...he uses the information gratuitously posted by Jon to see an > opportunity to make a few bux, while simultaneously restricting > opportunities of others in his area to take advantage of the deal. > > Nice cooperative attitude... > > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Tania" > Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" ; "Jon W" > ; > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! > > > > I got FIVE (5) > > Scoured Long Island, got 2 in one place and 3 in another! > > EBAY here I come! > > > Thanks from me too Jon- > > > > > > I got the last one at my nearest store as well. Because the store is 40 > miles > > > distant I had no choice but to call first. When I asked if they had any > the > > > clerk > > > indicated they had one. I immediately asked for the manager and > requested him > > > to > > > set it aside for me. I made sure to tell him that these were desirable > and that > > > it > > > was no small trip for me to come and get it. He assured me that he > would > > > personally > > > remove it from the shelf and put it away. > > > > > > Well an hour later I'm at the store and guess what? No drive. > Bastards! > > > > > > A conference with the manager and a search of the store determined that > the > > > first > > > employee I had spoken with became aware of the deal and hid it away for > himself. > > > The manager was telling him to clear out his locker as I left the store- > drive > > > in > > > hand. No grudge against an employee trying to get a good deal, but this > kid was > > > just an out and out nimrod. > > > > > > In any event- Sorry I couldn't get you any Jon. Can I ask how you came > by this > > > incredible deal? > > > > > > Thanks again- > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the headsup Jon, I got one. I literally ran out the door > and sped > > > > over to my local Staples (Rte. 70, Marlton, NJ) where I bagged the > LAST one. > > > > > > > > SONY CRX100E/X2. The unit was on the shelf with no closeout tag on it > and when > > > I > > > > asked the clerk to scan it, his jaw almost hit the floor as he uttered > a loud > > > > "Holy SHIT!!"! His reaction resulted in a bit of a quiet conference > between > > > > several of the clerks which I interrupted with, "If you're thinking of > getting > > > > _this_ one for one of yourselves, please know that it _will_ cost you > your job > > > > here!". > > > > > > > > They VERY grudgingly handed it over. Sorry I couldn't get you one Jon. > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Jon W [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:51 PM > > > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > > Subject: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4x 4x 6x sony spressa external cdrw usb retial $279.99 on clearence > at > > > > > your local staples store for $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > HURRY UP ! if anyone can locate 2 of these please let me know, i > will buy > > > > > it from you ! all sold out on my area , according to the staples > manager > > > > > the store clerks snatch all these babies up themselves ! SO DO NOT > CALL > > > > > AND ASK !! > > > > > > > > > > THe SKU# is 432-438 in some store the discount is not reflected > yet > > > > > make sure to ask the manager to double check the sku & price !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLease get an extra one for me !! > > > > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Mon Oct 2 12:31:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA04487 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:31:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07653; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:27:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07351; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.cc.emory.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07338; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.cc.emory.edu (170.140.29.37 -> Pluto.cc.emory.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:27:46 -0400 Received: from rbright (anx50-12.dialup.emory.edu [170.140.250.12]) by pluto.cc.emory.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e92GOC313965; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:24:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rick A. Bright" To: "Jon W" , "Garrett Kaste" Cc: Subject: RE: PEOPLE POSTING BARGAINS Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:24:19 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I want the postings to continue, but how can I get them faster? The CD-RW was USB and perfect for my ThinkPad laptop. Very relevant, I believe. -----Original Message----- From: Jon W [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 5:05 PM To: Garrett Kaste Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PEOPLE POSTING BARGAINS Garrett, I have said it many times and i will say it again. I DO NOT PROFIT 1 cent from these postings. In the past i have found that people on this list have benefited from my postings of deals. HOwever, if the majority of you do not want these postings in the future, I will be more than happy to stop. Either way it doesnt harm me at all. just let me know :) BTW, i am the one that sent the psot to www.techbargains.com On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Garrett Kaste wrote: > > Lets stop putting all this about deals on computer hardware on this gourp. Lets keep in mind this is for IBM THINKPAD LAPTOPS. > > If anyone wants those deals all of them were taken from http://www.techbargains.com , everyone can go look for themselves. > > Garrett. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! From cph Mon Oct 2 13:35:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA05103 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:35:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15788; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:30:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15266; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15235; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:30:39 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUV1CXSF4G8WYNUW@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:34:05 CST Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 12:34:04 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: RE: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! In-reply-to: To: "Rick A. Bright" Cc: scosgt@att.net, Richard Chalk , Tania , "James H. E. Maugham" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: scosgt@att.net form this list got 5 of the USB CR-RW. He wants like $159 for them each considering you can pick one up at any store for $179.99 He is not even willing to help me out even i am the one that posted this information in the first place and pleading for help in getting 1 unit ! :) how to get this news quicker ? CHECK OYUR EMAIL OFTEN !! On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Rick A. Bright wrote: > Was anyone able to pick up an extra one that they wish to sell? They were > sold out in Atlanta 2 days before I got the word from this group. Thanks > for letting me know, wish I could have received word 2 days sooner. > > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: scosgt@att.net [mailto:scosgt@att.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 12:39 PM > To: Richard Chalk > Cc: Tania; James H. E. Maugham; Jon W; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! > > > Richard, Richard, > you and I have done business before - > I bought at least 2 770 Enh Video Adaptors from you, > I think you have bought from me... > So stop trashing me! > I spent an entire afternoon driving around, using gas > (at $1.80 per around here!), wear and tear on my car, > and you begrudge me a profit and think I should sell to > list members at a loss. > Give me a break! > > OK, so lemme see if I got this straight.. > > > > We have this list, set up and maintained for the mutual benefit of > ThinkPad > > owners... > > > > Then we got Jon, who posts a good deal, even if he can't get it for > himself, > > and asks for help.. > > > > Then we got this guy, who, based on Jon's information, goes & finds 5 of > > these puppies... > > > > BUT!! > > > > Does he offer to help Jon? > > Does he offer to help other List members? > > > > Nah...he uses the information gratuitously posted by Jon to see an > > opportunity to make a few bux, while simultaneously restricting > > opportunities of others in his area to take advantage of the deal. > > > > Nice cooperative attitude... > > > > Richard > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Tania" > > Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" ; "Jon W" > > ; > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 8:21 PM > > Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! > > > > > > > I got FIVE (5) > > > Scoured Long Island, got 2 in one place and 3 in another! > > > EBAY here I come! > > > > Thanks from me too Jon- > > > > > > > > I got the last one at my nearest store as well. Because the store is > 40 > > miles > > > > distant I had no choice but to call first. When I asked if they had > any > > the > > > > clerk > > > > indicated they had one. I immediately asked for the manager and > > requested him > > > > to > > > > set it aside for me. I made sure to tell him that these were > desirable > > and that > > > > it > > > > was no small trip for me to come and get it. He assured me that he > > would > > > > personally > > > > remove it from the shelf and put it away. > > > > > > > > Well an hour later I'm at the store and guess what? No drive. > > Bastards! > > > > > > > > A conference with the manager and a search of the store determined > that > > the > > > > first > > > > employee I had spoken with became aware of the deal and hid it away > for > > himself. > > > > The manager was telling him to clear out his locker as I left the > store- > > drive > > > > in > > > > hand. No grudge against an employee trying to get a good deal, but > this > > kid was > > > > just an out and out nimrod. > > > > > > > > In any event- Sorry I couldn't get you any Jon. Can I ask how you > came > > by this > > > > incredible deal? > > > > > > > > Thanks again- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the headsup Jon, I got one. I literally ran out the door > > and sped > > > > > over to my local Staples (Rte. 70, Marlton, NJ) where I bagged the > > LAST one. > > > > > > > > > > SONY CRX100E/X2. The unit was on the shelf with no closeout tag on > it > > and when > > > > I > > > > > asked the clerk to scan it, his jaw almost hit the floor as he > uttered > > a loud > > > > > "Holy SHIT!!"! His reaction resulted in a bit of a quiet conference > > between > > > > > several of the clerks which I interrupted with, "If you're thinking > of > > getting > > > > > _this_ one for one of yourselves, please know that it _will_ cost > you > > your job > > > > > here!". > > > > > > > > > > They VERY grudgingly handed it over. Sorry I couldn't get you one > Jon. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Jon W [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:51 PM > > > > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > > > Subject: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4x 4x 6x sony spressa external cdrw usb retial $279.99 on > clearence > > at > > > > > > your local staples store for $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > HURRY UP ! if anyone can locate 2 of these please let me know, i > > will buy > > > > > > it from you ! all sold out on my area , according to the staples > > manager > > > > > > the store clerks snatch all these babies up themselves ! SO DO NOT > > CALL > > > > > > AND ASK !! > > > > > > > > > > > > THe SKU# is 432-438 in some store the discount is not reflected > > yet > > > > > > make sure to ask the manager to double check the sku & price !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLease get an extra one for me !! > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Mon Oct 2 13:43:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA05177 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:43:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16887; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:40:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16558; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16536; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:39:57 -0400 Received: from sony ([12.79.0.176]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001002173955.SNIS23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@sony>; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:39:55 +0000 Message-ID: <39D8C8C4.3600@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:41:24 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon W CC: "Rick A. Bright" , scosgt@att.net, Richard Chalk , Tania , "James H. E. Maugham" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Actually, I have not offered to sell any here at any price, so that is a totally false statement. They were selling for $269 at the computer shows yesterday. I am packaging them with laptops that I have for sale. I am getting a little tired of all the sour grapes here. No less than 12 list members have e-mailed me seeking to buy one for less than my cost - remember that I paid tax on each, and spent 5 hours driving around in my car with gas at $1.80 per gallon around here. If you got one, great. If not, that's the breaks. But don't expect someone to do all the work so you can reap a benefit at his expense. Life does not work that way. Besides, you got one, and want a second at the same price for yourself, so who is being greedy? Jon W wrote: > > scosgt@att.net form this list got 5 of the USB CR-RW. He wants like $159 > for them each considering you can pick one up at any store for $179.99 > > He is not even willing to help me out even i am the one that posted this > information in the first place and pleading for help in getting 1 unit ! > :) > > how to get this news quicker ? CHECK OYUR EMAIL OFTEN !! > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Rick A. Bright wrote: > > > Was anyone able to pick up an extra one that they wish to sell? They were > > sold out in Atlanta 2 days before I got the word from this group. Thanks > > for letting me know, wish I could have received word 2 days sooner. > > > > Rick > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: scosgt@att.net [mailto:scosgt@att.net] > > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 12:39 PM > > To: Richard Chalk > > Cc: Tania; James H. E. Maugham; Jon W; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! > > > > > > Richard, Richard, > > you and I have done business before - > > I bought at least 2 770 Enh Video Adaptors from you, > > I think you have bought from me... > > So stop trashing me! > > I spent an entire afternoon driving around, using gas > > (at $1.80 per around here!), wear and tear on my car, > > and you begrudge me a profit and think I should sell to > > list members at a loss. > > Give me a break! > > > OK, so lemme see if I got this straight.. > > > > > > We have this list, set up and maintained for the mutual benefit of > > ThinkPad > > > owners... > > > > > > Then we got Jon, who posts a good deal, even if he can't get it for > > himself, > > > and asks for help.. > > > > > > Then we got this guy, who, based on Jon's information, goes & finds 5 of > > > these puppies... > > > > > > BUT!! > > > > > > Does he offer to help Jon? > > > Does he offer to help other List members? > > > > > > Nah...he uses the information gratuitously posted by Jon to see an > > > opportunity to make a few bux, while simultaneously restricting > > > opportunities of others in his area to take advantage of the deal. > > > > > > Nice cooperative attitude... > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: "Tania" > > > Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" ; "Jon W" > > > ; > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 8:21 PM > > > Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! > > > > > > > > > > I got FIVE (5) > > > > Scoured Long Island, got 2 in one place and 3 in another! > > > > EBAY here I come! > > > > > Thanks from me too Jon- > > > > > > > > > > I got the last one at my nearest store as well. Because the store is > > 40 > > > miles > > > > > distant I had no choice but to call first. When I asked if they had > > any > > > the > > > > > clerk > > > > > indicated they had one. I immediately asked for the manager and > > > requested him > > > > > to > > > > > set it aside for me. I made sure to tell him that these were > > desirable > > > and that > > > > > it > > > > > was no small trip for me to come and get it. He assured me that he > > > would > > > > > personally > > > > > remove it from the shelf and put it away. > > > > > > > > > > Well an hour later I'm at the store and guess what? No drive. > > > Bastards! > > > > > > > > > > A conference with the manager and a search of the store determined > > that > > > the > > > > > first > > > > > employee I had spoken with became aware of the deal and hid it away > > for > > > himself. > > > > > The manager was telling him to clear out his locker as I left the > > store- > > > drive > > > > > in > > > > > hand. No grudge against an employee trying to get a good deal, but > > this > > > kid was > > > > > just an out and out nimrod. > > > > > > > > > > In any event- Sorry I couldn't get you any Jon. Can I ask how you > > came > > > by this > > > > > incredible deal? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the headsup Jon, I got one. I literally ran out the door > > > and sped > > > > > > over to my local Staples (Rte. 70, Marlton, NJ) where I bagged the > > > LAST one. > > > > > > > > > > > > SONY CRX100E/X2. The unit was on the shelf with no closeout tag on > > it > > > and when > > > > > I > > > > > > asked the clerk to scan it, his jaw almost hit the floor as he > > uttered > > > a loud > > > > > > "Holy SHIT!!"! His reaction resulted in a bit of a quiet conference > > > between > > > > > > several of the clerks which I interrupted with, "If you're thinking > > of > > > getting > > > > > > _this_ one for one of yourselves, please know that it _will_ cost > > you > > > your job > > > > > > here!". > > > > > > > > > > > > They VERY grudgingly handed it over. Sorry I couldn't get you one > > Jon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Jon W [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:51 PM > > > > > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > > > > Subject: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4x 4x 6x sony spressa external cdrw usb retial $279.99 on > > clearence > > > at > > > > > > > your local staples store for $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HURRY UP ! if anyone can locate 2 of these please let me know, i > > > will buy > > > > > > > it from you ! all sold out on my area , according to the staples > > > manager > > > > > > > the store clerks snatch all these babies up themselves ! SO DO NOT > > > CALL > > > > > > > AND ASK !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THe SKU# is 432-438 in some store the discount is not reflected > > > yet > > > > > > > make sure to ask the manager to double check the sku & price !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLease get an extra one for me !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Mon Oct 2 13:47:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA05231 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:47:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17790; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:43:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17346; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17333; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iso.net (64.217.45.201 -> iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:43:51 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial33.fyvl.telxcom.net [64.217.44.161]) by iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA58024 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:41:05 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <39D8E501.6E85E0AA@iso.net> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 12:41:53 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM Calculator give away Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If anyone is interested in a free commemorative IBM ASCI White Calculator, go to: http://www.rs6000.ibm.com/hardware/largescale/supercomputers/asciwhite/contact.html Bill Oh and I won't ask for a even a nickel for this info. Course if you want to send goodies...... ;~) From cph Mon Oct 2 13:50:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA05272 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:50:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18461; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:46:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18187; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18174; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:46:51 -0400 Received: from 47.chicago-16-17rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.154.47]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001002174649.YNMD18564.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@47.chicago-16-17rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:46:49 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: Subject: Re: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 17:46:45 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39dbc997.17395983@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA05273 On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:37:04 +1300, you wrote: >Are these new IBM drives any faster than say my 12Gig Travelstar? >Or the 18-20 Gig HDDs? The only 12.5mm drive faster than 4200 rpm is the 32GH, which is 32GB and 5411 rpm. > >Any real world increase in speed? One person described the increase as "noticeable, but not dramatic." Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Mon Oct 2 14:14:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA05574 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:14:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21523; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:09:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21299; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21197; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:08:58 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUV2PJ5IY88WYSRK@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:12:30 CST Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:12:28 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! In-reply-to: <39D8C8C4.3600@worldnet.att.net> To: Bruce Markowitz Cc: "Rick A. Bright" , scosgt@att.net, Richard Chalk , Tania , "James H. E. Maugham" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I think you are totaly misinformed here ! I never did buy any of the cd rw form staples, they were all sold out. SO please dont go around accusing me as "greedy" before you learn the fact or "learn" hot to read :) 1) I never did say you are trying to sell it in this list ! HOwever i seen your posts on other usenet groups :) wanting > $150 2) I never emailed you and demanding you selling it to me for less than your cost ! The stuff's are yours and its your rights to do whtever you want to them. Just that in this list everybody seems to agree that it is morally ethical to do so and i am merely responding to their emails, just for the heck and fun of it. 3) whatever show that you went to yesterday its a place for total newbies. The same drive is available in circuit city for $179.95 :) 4) I do not expect oyu to do the work for me, but if oyu remember in my original post, i am asking for help if anyone found more than 1 unit. you found 2 in 1 location and 3 in another and refuse to help me out and then "write this moan and groan email to the list". THink its time for you to eat your own words. LEt me do all the info gathering and post it here and you go out and sweep every units available for profits. VULTURES!! :) 5) i never had any sour grapes for anyone nor do i care as i do not know anyone here in real life for me to waste my time on somebody i dont know :) One more thing, DUDE you gotta chill out a bit in life, take it easy its good for your heart :) SOmebody in this list didi mentioned to me that you are a real hard a$$ to deal with butguess they failed to mention that you are a hot tempered person too ! :) when is the last time you been with a woman / (just kidding) On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Bruce Markow itz wrote: > Actually, I have not offered to sell any here at any price, so that is a > totally false statement. They were selling for $269 at the computer > shows yesterday. I am packaging them with laptops that I have for sale. > I am getting a little tired of all the sour grapes here. No less than 12 > list members have e-mailed me seeking to buy one for less than my cost - > remember that I paid tax on each, and spent 5 hours driving around in my > car with gas at $1.80 per gallon around here. > If you got one, great. If not, that's the breaks. But don't expect > someone to do all the work so you can reap a benefit at his expense. > Life does not work that way. > Besides, you got one, and want a second at the same price for yourself, > so who is being greedy? > > Jon W wrote: > > > > scosgt@att.net form this list got 5 of the USB CR-RW. He wants like $159 > > for them each considering you can pick one up at any store for $179.99 > > > > He is not even willing to help me out even i am the one that posted this > > information in the first place and pleading for help in getting 1 unit ! > > :) > > > > how to get this news quicker ? CHECK OYUR EMAIL OFTEN !! > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Rick A. Bright wrote: > > > > > Was anyone able to pick up an extra one that they wish to sell? They were > > > sold out in Atlanta 2 days before I got the word from this group. Thanks > > > for letting me know, wish I could have received word 2 days sooner. > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: scosgt@att.net [mailto:scosgt@att.net] > > > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 12:39 PM > > > To: Richard Chalk > > > Cc: Tania; James H. E. Maugham; Jon W; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! > > > > > > > > > Richard, Richard, > > > you and I have done business before - > > > I bought at least 2 770 Enh Video Adaptors from you, > > > I think you have bought from me... > > > So stop trashing me! > > > I spent an entire afternoon driving around, using gas > > > (at $1.80 per around here!), wear and tear on my car, > > > and you begrudge me a profit and think I should sell to > > > list members at a loss. > > > Give me a break! > > > > OK, so lemme see if I got this straight.. > > > > > > > > We have this list, set up and maintained for the mutual benefit of > > > ThinkPad > > > > owners... > > > > > > > > Then we got Jon, who posts a good deal, even if he can't get it for > > > himself, > > > > and asks for help.. > > > > > > > > Then we got this guy, who, based on Jon's information, goes & finds 5 of > > > > these puppies... > > > > > > > > BUT!! > > > > > > > > Does he offer to help Jon? > > > > Does he offer to help other List members? > > > > > > > > Nah...he uses the information gratuitously posted by Jon to see an > > > > opportunity to make a few bux, while simultaneously restricting > > > > opportunities of others in his area to take advantage of the deal. > > > > > > > > Nice cooperative attitude... > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: "Tania" > > > > Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" ; "Jon W" > > > > ; > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 8:21 PM > > > > Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got FIVE (5) > > > > > Scoured Long Island, got 2 in one place and 3 in another! > > > > > EBAY here I come! > > > > > > Thanks from me too Jon- > > > > > > > > > > > > I got the last one at my nearest store as well. Because the store is > > > 40 > > > > miles > > > > > > distant I had no choice but to call first. When I asked if they had > > > any > > > > the > > > > > > clerk > > > > > > indicated they had one. I immediately asked for the manager and > > > > requested him > > > > > > to > > > > > > set it aside for me. I made sure to tell him that these were > > > desirable > > > > and that > > > > > > it > > > > > > was no small trip for me to come and get it. He assured me that he > > > > would > > > > > > personally > > > > > > remove it from the shelf and put it away. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well an hour later I'm at the store and guess what? No drive. > > > > Bastards! > > > > > > > > > > > > A conference with the manager and a search of the store determined > > > that > > > > the > > > > > > first > > > > > > employee I had spoken with became aware of the deal and hid it away > > > for > > > > himself. > > > > > > The manager was telling him to clear out his locker as I left the > > > store- > > > > drive > > > > > > in > > > > > > hand. No grudge against an employee trying to get a good deal, but > > > this > > > > kid was > > > > > > just an out and out nimrod. > > > > > > > > > > > > In any event- Sorry I couldn't get you any Jon. Can I ask how you > > > came > > > > by this > > > > > > incredible deal? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the headsup Jon, I got one. I literally ran out the door > > > > and sped > > > > > > > over to my local Staples (Rte. 70, Marlton, NJ) where I bagged the > > > > LAST one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SONY CRX100E/X2. The unit was on the shelf with no closeout tag on > > > it > > > > and when > > > > > > I > > > > > > > asked the clerk to scan it, his jaw almost hit the floor as he > > > uttered > > > > a loud > > > > > > > "Holy SHIT!!"! His reaction resulted in a bit of a quiet conference > > > > between > > > > > > > several of the clerks which I interrupted with, "If you're thinking > > > of > > > > getting > > > > > > > _this_ one for one of yourselves, please know that it _will_ cost > > > you > > > > your job > > > > > > > here!". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They VERY grudgingly handed it over. Sorry I couldn't get you one > > > Jon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Jon W [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:51 PM > > > > > > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > > > > > Subject: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4x 4x 6x sony spressa external cdrw usb retial $279.99 on > > > clearence > > > > at > > > > > > > > your local staples store for $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HURRY UP ! if anyone can locate 2 of these please let me know, i > > > > will buy > > > > > > > > it from you ! all sold out on my area , according to the staples > > > > manager > > > > > > > > the store clerks snatch all these babies up themselves ! SO DO NOT > > > > CALL > > > > > > > > AND ASK !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THe SKU# is 432-438 in some store the discount is not reflected > > > > yet > > > > > > > > make sure to ask the manager to double check the sku & price !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLease get an extra one for me !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Mon Oct 2 14:19:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA05620 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:19:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22246; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:13:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21991; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aloha.url.com.tw (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21960; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aloha.url.com.tw (210.59.228.149 -> aloha.url.com.tw) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:13:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 23090 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 18:13:37 -0000 Received: from arc.url.com.tw (HELO ms4.url.com.tw) (210.59.228.91) by aloha.url.com.tw with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 18:13:37 -0000 Received: from bluetai2 ([140.113.128.56]) by AccSMTP/NT 2.5 (210.59.228.37) [210.59.228.37]; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:14:21 +0800 Message-ID: <000d01c02c9c$67a04190$3880718c@Dorm7.nctu.edu.tw> From: "CHEN-TAI, CHEN" To: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:13:02 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA22246 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA05621 Best Regards, ----------------------- Tai-Chen Chen¡]³¯®õ㸡^ E-mail: tcchen@cis.nctu.edu.tw gis88520@cis.nctu.edu.tw is84056@cis.nctu.edu.tw VLSI Systems Laboratory Institute of Computer & Information Science National Chiao Tung University, HsinChu 300, Taiwan, R.O.C. From cph Mon Oct 2 14:41:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA05933 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:41:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25524; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:36:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25053; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25012; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:36:42 -0400 Received: from 216-164-133-197.s197.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.133.197]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13gAS2-0007cQ-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:36:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:37:34 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <18134704058.20001002143734@erols.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! In-reply-To: <39D8C8C4.3600@worldnet.att.net> References: <39D8C8C4.3600@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bruce, I found one at the second store I called and went and got it right away. I then called 10 other stores to see if I could get one for Jon since he was kind enough to clue us all in on this excellent deal. You went out and bought five. Then not only will you not sell Jon 1 at your cost, but you have the bad manners to BRAG publicly about your good fortune. And when challenged on your behavior, you have twice now publicly WHINED about the $1.80 a gallon you pay for gas, and the sales tax you paid, as if everyone else is exempt from these facts of life. It sounds like you've got no problem coming up with $400 for the drives, but gas and tax are a crusher. No one begrudges you your profits, and your entreprenurial spirit is commendable, but your PUBLIC bragging, whining, and ingratitude towards Jon are not. Please keep your good fortune to yourself next time. Monday, October 02, 2000, 1:41:24 PM, you wrote: > Actually, I have not offered to sell any here at any price, so that is a > totally false statement. They were selling for $269 at the computer > shows yesterday. I am packaging them with laptops that I have for sale. > I am getting a little tired of all the sour grapes here. No less than 12 > list members have e-mailed me seeking to buy one for less than my cost - > remember that I paid tax on each, and spent 5 hours driving around in my > car with gas at $1.80 per gallon around here. > If you got one, great. If not, that's the breaks. But don't expect > someone to do all the work so you can reap a benefit at his expense. > Life does not work that way. > Besides, you got one, and want a second at the same price for yourself, > so who is being greedy? > Jon W wrote: >> >> scosgt@att.net form this list got 5 of the USB CR-RW. He wants like $159 >> for them each considering you can pick one up at any store for $179.99 >> >> He is not even willing to help me out even i am the one that posted this >> information in the first place and pleading for help in getting 1 unit ! >> :) >> >> how to get this news quicker ? CHECK OYUR EMAIL OFTEN !! >> >> On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Rick A. Bright wrote: >> >> > Was anyone able to pick up an extra one that they wish to sell? They were >> > sold out in Atlanta 2 days before I got the word from this group. Thanks >> > for letting me know, wish I could have received word 2 days sooner. >> > >> > Rick >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: scosgt@att.net [mailto:scosgt@att.net] >> > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 12:39 PM >> > To: Richard Chalk >> > Cc: Tania; James H. E. Maugham; Jon W; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >> > Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! >> > >> > >> > Richard, Richard, >> > you and I have done business before - >> > I bought at least 2 770 Enh Video Adaptors from you, >> > I think you have bought from me... >> > So stop trashing me! >> > I spent an entire afternoon driving around, using gas >> > (at $1.80 per around here!), wear and tear on my car, >> > and you begrudge me a profit and think I should sell to >> > list members at a loss. >> > Give me a break! >> > > OK, so lemme see if I got this straight.. >> > > >> > > We have this list, set up and maintained for the mutual benefit of >> > ThinkPad >> > > owners... >> > > >> > > Then we got Jon, who posts a good deal, even if he can't get it for >> > himself, >> > > and asks for help.. >> > > >> > > Then we got this guy, who, based on Jon's information, goes & finds 5 of >> > > these puppies... >> > > >> > > BUT!! >> > > >> > > Does he offer to help Jon? >> > > Does he offer to help other List members? >> > > >> > > Nah...he uses the information gratuitously posted by Jon to see an >> > > opportunity to make a few bux, while simultaneously restricting >> > > opportunities of others in his area to take advantage of the deal. >> > > >> > > Nice cooperative attitude... >> > > >> > > Richard >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: >> > > To: "Tania" >> > > Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" ; "Jon W" >> > > ; >> > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 8:21 PM >> > > Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! >> > > >> > > >> > > > I got FIVE (5) >> > > > Scoured Long Island, got 2 in one place and 3 in another! >> > > > EBAY here I come! >> > > > > Thanks from me too Jon- >> > > > > >> > > > > I got the last one at my nearest store as well. Because the store is >> > 40 >> > > miles >> > > > > distant I had no choice but to call first. When I asked if they had >> > any >> > > the >> > > > > clerk >> > > > > indicated they had one. I immediately asked for the manager and >> > > requested him >> > > > > to >> > > > > set it aside for me. I made sure to tell him that these were >> > desirable >> > > and that >> > > > > it >> > > > > was no small trip for me to come and get it. He assured me that he >> > > would >> > > > > personally >> > > > > remove it from the shelf and put it away. >> > > > > >> > > > > Well an hour later I'm at the store and guess what? No drive. >> > > Bastards! >> > > > > >> > > > > A conference with the manager and a search of the store determined >> > that >> > > the >> > > > > first >> > > > > employee I had spoken with became aware of the deal and hid it away >> > for >> > > himself. >> > > > > The manager was telling him to clear out his locker as I left the >> > store- >> > > drive >> > > > > in >> > > > > hand. No grudge against an employee trying to get a good deal, but >> > this >> > > kid was >> > > > > just an out and out nimrod. >> > > > > >> > > > > In any event- Sorry I couldn't get you any Jon. Can I ask how you >> > came >> > > by this >> > > > > incredible deal? >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks again- >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for the headsup Jon, I got one. I literally ran out the door >> > > and sped >> > > > > > over to my local Staples (Rte. 70, Marlton, NJ) where I bagged the >> > > LAST one. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > SONY CRX100E/X2. The unit was on the shelf with no closeout tag on >> > it >> > > and when >> > > > > I >> > > > > > asked the clerk to scan it, his jaw almost hit the floor as he >> > uttered >> > > a loud >> > > > > > "Holy SHIT!!"! His reaction resulted in a bit of a quiet conference >> > > between >> > > > > > several of the clerks which I interrupted with, "If you're thinking >> > of >> > > getting >> > > > > > _this_ one for one of yourselves, please know that it _will_ cost >> > you >> > > your job >> > > > > > here!". >> > > > > > >> > > > > > They VERY grudgingly handed it over. Sorry I couldn't get you one >> > Jon. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks again, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > James >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > > From: Jon W [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] >> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:51 PM >> > > > > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >> > > > > > > Subject: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > 4x 4x 6x sony spressa external cdrw usb retial $279.99 on >> > clearence >> > > at >> > > > > > > your local staples store for $79.99 >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > HURRY UP ! if anyone can locate 2 of these please let me know, i >> > > will buy >> > > > > > > it from you ! all sold out on my area , according to the staples >> > > manager >> > > > > > > the store clerks snatch all these babies up themselves ! SO DO NOT >> > > CALL >> > > > > > > AND ASK !! >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > THe SKU# is 432-438 in some store the discount is not reflected >> > > yet >> > > > > > > make sure to ask the manager to double check the sku & price !! >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > PLease get an extra one for me !! >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > enjoy >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Mon Oct 2 15:00:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA06226 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:00:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28203; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:53:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27715; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27667; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:53:50 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA16474 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:53:46 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002a01c02ca2$16602e20$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: [TPmeta] Some politeness, please (was: USB thingie) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:53:43 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Since listnanny Jane L. hasn't chimed in here... We all seem to get along quite well during narrow technical discussions about thinkpads, but this list does have a tendency to get a bit volatile when we veer off topic. While this is not a prima facie reason *not* to include threads (when relevant) about operating systems and shopping bargains, maybe we should give extra care when we make such posts. Personally, I see nothing wrong with Bruce doing whatever he wants with his new drives, and we should all hope he gets lots of money for them from owners of Toshiba and Dell laptops:-) The "nice guy" thing for him to have done would have been to sell one to Jon at cost, but we should recognize that had he done so this would have been "nice above and beyond the call of duty", not just "everyday" nice. Certainly he is under not the slightest moral obligation to sell one to any *other* member of this list at anything under what the market will bear. At the same time, Bruce should perhaps not have worded his original "off to eBay" post quite the way he did, as to many it seemed to be a combination of an unnecessary brag and an overt and intentional disregard Jon's plea - it is hard tim imagine any other reason for the post as worded. I like to think that Bruce didn't mean it this way, which supports my suggestion that we be more careful with off-topic posts. Like this one:-) Now, anyone care to talk about ThinkPads? - David R. From cph Mon Oct 2 15:02:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA06235 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:02:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28418; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:56:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27999; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27956; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:55:42 -0400 Received: from Mark (client-151-204-210-70.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.70]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10078 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001002145119.0279bd60@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:55:58 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re[2]: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! In-Reply-To: <18134704058.20001002143734@erols.com> References: <39D8C8C4.3600@worldnet.att.net> <39D8C8C4.3600@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Correct. In addition, the issue is rewarding a good deed with another. Jon sent a message indicating a great deal at a great price and for list users to snap them up ASAP, and if you managed to get an extra, sell it to him for your cost. You used his information, procured **5** units, and can not even entertain the idea of selling **1** of them at your cost and reaping the profits from the other units? Wow, I am down for profits, but what happened to good will? I agree, it would have been better to keep your greed to yourself in this instance, Mr. Markowitz. :) Look at how we all are jumpin' ya like rabid dogs! WOOF!!! Mark At 02:37 PM 10/2/00 -0400, Donald MacQueen wrote: >Bruce, > >I found one at the second store I called and went and got it right >away. I then called 10 other stores to see if I could get one for Jon >since he was kind enough to clue us all in on this excellent deal. > >You went out and bought five. Then not only will you not sell Jon 1 at >your cost, but you have the bad manners to BRAG publicly about your >good fortune. And when challenged on your behavior, you have twice now >publicly WHINED about the $1.80 a gallon you pay for gas, and the >sales tax you paid, as if everyone else is exempt from these facts of >life. It sounds like you've got no problem coming up with $400 for >the drives, but gas and tax are a crusher. > >No one begrudges you your profits, and your entreprenurial spirit is >commendable, but your PUBLIC bragging, whining, and ingratitude towards Jon >are not. Please keep your good fortune to yourself next time. > > Mark Bell * Computer Consultant (VBA/VC/VB/Oracle Cert.) ElectroSoft_Consulting->bytehead at bellatlantic dot net (Primary) Drexel_University->Mark dot Bell at drexel dot edu (Secondary) From cph Mon Oct 2 15:54:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA06842 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:54:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05504; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:50:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04952; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04920; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:50:07 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id OAA29767 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:50:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.185.103]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id OAA29754 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:50:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001002154610.0094e100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:46:10 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: [tp600] Now, about the CD-ROM cases In-Reply-To: References: <39d72050.33974519@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:53 PM 09/29/2000 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: >Emanuel Brown wrote: > >> Now that I've got the DVD-ROM drive and it's up and running, I'm >> looking for cases for my CD-ROM and LS-120. I don't see IBM offering >> to see the cases individually and the one that came with my DVD drive >> doesn't appear to have an FRU on it anywhere. Are these not sold >> separately? > >I've been trying to find these cases for a _long_ time! The one that came today >with my other DVD (thanks again for the headsup Emanuel) came in a bag that says >it was made by Port but doesn't have a Port part no. on it. > >It _does_ have an IBM part no. of 05K4562. I haven't been able to find that on >any of the IBM parts sites as yet, but I haven't called Boulder parts yet to >check there. > >I would definitely love one of these for my Zip drive and one for my 2nd HDD >adapter. If anyone tracks them down online or through Boulder parts, please let >us know. > OK - I asked the Port Rep about the cases, and the P/N is TL61000. They're 5.8"x6.6"x1.4". weigh .54lb and retail for $19.95. For some reason, they're not on the Port website, but they are listed in the 9/00 booklet that comes with new ThinkPads. She said they could be ordered from Port at 800.852.5884. Wasn't someone asking about the Targus Universal AC Adapter the other day? It's very nice. Very lightweight and comes standard with removable tips to fit IBM, Compaq and Toshiba. If you need Dell tips, they can be acquired. You can also get tips to fit cell phones, too. Anything else? From cph Mon Oct 2 15:54:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA06856 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:54:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05494; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:50:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04933; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04908; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:50:04 -0400 Received: from 216-164-133-197.s197.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.133.197]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13gBb4-000615-00; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:49:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:50:57 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <11539107999.20001002155057@erols.com> To: "David Ross" CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: [TPmeta] Some politeness, please (was: USB thingie) In-reply-To: <002a01c02ca2$16602e20$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> References: <002a01c02ca2$16602e20$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: [snip] > I like to think that > Bruce didn't mean it this way, which supports my suggestion that we be more > careful with off-topic posts. > Like this one:-) Agreed. Well said. > Now, anyone care to talk about ThinkPads? Yeah, just where CAN I find trackpoint drivers that have the snap-to feature? > - David R. -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Mon Oct 2 15:59:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA06894 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:59:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06963; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:56:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06706; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06693; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:56:27 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id OAA04897 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:56:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.185.103]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id OAA04888 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:56:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001002155234.027f7100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:52:34 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! In-Reply-To: References: <39D8C8C4.3600@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:12 PM 10/02/2000 -0600, a bunch of people wrote: OK, guys, take it to your personal e-mail, and leave the TP list out of it. And Jon, This part went completely over the line into a personal attack. Rein it in. >One more thing, DUDE you gotta chill out a bit in life, take it easy its >good for your heart :) SOmebody in this list didi mentioned to me that you >are a real hard a$$ to deal with butguess they failed to mention that you >are a hot tempered person too ! :) when is the last time you been with >a woman / (just kidding) > Jane From cph Mon Oct 2 16:01:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA06925 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:01:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07437; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:58:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07009; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06996; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:58:04 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id OAA06032 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:58:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.185.103]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id OAA06028 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:58:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001002155411.027ff660@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:54:11 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: [TPmeta] Some politeness, please (was: USB thingie) In-Reply-To: <002a01c02ca2$16602e20$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:53 AM 10/02/2000 -1000, David Ross wrote: >Since listnanny Jane L. hasn't chimed in here... > Only because she was in a meeting! Thanks for taking up the slack! From cph Mon Oct 2 16:15:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA07040 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:15:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09527; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:09:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09176; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09160; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:09:24 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:09:06 -0400 Message-ID: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1F3F@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: "'David Ross '" , "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU '" Subject: RE: [TPmeta] Some politeness, please (was: USB thingie) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:08:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Am I missing something, or wouldn't Jon have been quite grateful to Bruce for selling him a unit at his cost? Jon would have pointed Bruce to another deal that would have more than made up the difference in price, IMHO. Bruce would have looked like a real nice guy in front of the list members (the best form of advertising: the kind you don't have to pay for), and he could have counted on more "hot tips" from Jon in the future. Maybe Bruce was having a senior moment?? Neil numerous Thinkpads -----Original Message----- From: David Ross To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Sent: 10/2/00 2:53 PM Subject: [TPmeta] Some politeness, please (was: USB thingie) Since listnanny Jane L. hasn't chimed in here... We all seem to get along quite well during narrow technical discussions about thinkpads, but this list does have a tendency to get a bit volatile when we veer off topic. While this is not a prima facie reason *not* to include threads (when relevant) about operating systems and shopping bargains, maybe we should give extra care when we make such posts. Personally, I see nothing wrong with Bruce doing whatever he wants with his new drives, and we should all hope he gets lots of money for them from owners of Toshiba and Dell laptops:-) The "nice guy" thing for him to have done would have been to sell one to Jon at cost, but we should recognize that had he done so this would have been "nice above and beyond the call of duty", not just "everyday" nice. Certainly he is under not the slightest moral obligation to sell one to any *other* member of this list at anything under what the market will bear. At the same time, Bruce should perhaps not have worded his original "off to eBay" post quite the way he did, as to many it seemed to be a combination of an unnecessary brag and an overt and intentional disregard Jon's plea - it is hard tim imagine any other reason for the post as worded. I like to think that Bruce didn't mean it this way, which supports my suggestion that we be more careful with off-topic posts. Like this one:-) Now, anyone care to talk about ThinkPads? - David R. From cph Mon Oct 2 16:29:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA07208 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:29:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11116; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:22:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10860; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot24.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10847; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot24.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.44 -> pilot24.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:22:27 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (cherryholmes.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.41]) by pilot24.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e92KMPI42494 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:22:25 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001002162148.01facbb0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 16:22:35 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives In-Reply-To: <39dbc997.17395983@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I wanna know about the heat when inside a nice cozy laptop. --(heat paranoid) STeve Andre' At 05:46 PM 10/2/00 +0000, Emanuel Brown wrote: >On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:37:04 +1300, you wrote: > >Are these new IBM drives any faster than say my 12Gig Travelstar? > >Or the 18-20 Gig HDDs? > > The only 12.5mm drive faster than 4200 rpm is the 32GH, which is >32GB and 5411 rpm. > > > >Any real world increase in speed? > > One person described the increase as "noticeable, but not >dramatic." > Emanuel From cph Mon Oct 2 17:02:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA07646 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:02:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15555; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:54:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14810; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot11.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14795; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot11.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.31 -> pilot11.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:54:18 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (cherryholmes.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.41]) by pilot11.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e92KsGk26188; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:54:16 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001002165355.02629c70@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 16:54:27 -0400 To: Mark Bell , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re[2]: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001002145119.0279bd60@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> References: <18134704058.20001002143734@erols.com> <39D8C8C4.3600@worldnet.att.net> <39D8C8C4.3600@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Amen to both statements. --STeve Andre At 02:55 PM 10/2/00 -0400, Mark Bell wrote: >Correct. In addition, the issue is rewarding a good deed with another. Jon >sent a message indicating a great deal at a great price and for >list users to snap them up ASAP, and if you managed to get an >extra, sell it to him for your cost. You used his information, >procured **5** units, and can not even entertain the idea of >selling **1** of them at your cost and reaping the profits from >the other units? Wow, I am down for profits, but what happened >to good will? I agree, it would have been better to keep your greed >to yourself in this instance, Mr. Markowitz. :) Look at how we all >are jumpin' ya like rabid dogs! WOOF!!! > >Mark > >At 02:37 PM 10/2/00 -0400, Donald MacQueen wrote: >>Bruce, >> >>I found one at the second store I called and went and got it right >>away. I then called 10 other stores to see if I could get one for Jon >>since he was kind enough to clue us all in on this excellent deal. >> >>You went out and bought five. Then not only will you not sell Jon 1 at >>your cost, but you have the bad manners to BRAG publicly about your >>good fortune. And when challenged on your behavior, you have twice now >>publicly WHINED about the $1.80 a gallon you pay for gas, and the >>sales tax you paid, as if everyone else is exempt from these facts of >>life. It sounds like you've got no problem coming up with $400 for >>the drives, but gas and tax are a crusher. >> >>No one begrudges you your profits, and your entreprenurial spirit is >>commendable, but your PUBLIC bragging, whining, and ingratitude towards Jon >>are not. Please keep your good fortune to yourself next time. From cph Mon Oct 2 17:34:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA07974 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:34:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19827; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:31:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19572; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19543; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:31:20 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA67346 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BlackBird (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA64051 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008c01c02cb8$5b285b70$0c11a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <3.0.1.32.20001002155411.027ff660@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Judge Judy rules!!! (was: USB thingie) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:33:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: There are three ways to look at this case: 1. If Judge Judy's court was in session, the people who went out and bought a single unit were entirely blameless. The people, who managed to find more than one unit, had no DIRECT contract with the original poster and so could not be help liable in a legal way. Open messages in a public forum are unlikely to form the basis of a legal contract. 2. Outside of Judge Judy's court and closer to home, if one of my children had been one of the lucky ones to find more than one of the units, and who then did not offer the original poster a unit at cost plus expenses, such as tax, fuel, and freight, that child would have been punished. If the child had found five units, bragged about the find and then tried to turn over a unit at a huge profit to the original poster, then that child would have been grounded for a year or worse. 3. In the larger court of the universe, the child who found five units, bragged about the find and then tried to turn over a unit at a huge profit, will ultimately have to deal with the karma of that act. We have no way of knowing the fate of this person but it is fair to say that a great deal of pain and suffering is likely over time in this life or the next. Anyone who feels that they might fall in group 3, could heavily influence the fates with an act of atonement. The Judge has ruled! From cph Mon Oct 2 17:39:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA08003 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:39:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20739; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:36:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20421; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail7.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20355; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail7.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.57 -> mail7.wlv.netzero.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:35:59 -0400 Received: (qmail 10520 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2000 21:35:48 -0000 Received: from ip88.tucson22.az.pub-ip.psi.net (HELO netzero.net) (38.29.189.88) by mail7.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 21:35:48 -0000 Message-ID: <39D8FFBC.B120449B@netzero.net> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:35:56 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: [tp600] Now, about the CD-ROM cases References: <39d72050.33974519@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <3.0.1.32.20001002154610.0094e100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jane Loyless wrote: > > At 05:53 PM 09/29/2000 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: > > >Emanuel Brown wrote: > > > >> Now that I've got the DVD-ROM drive and it's up and running, I'm > >> looking for cases for my CD-ROM and LS-120. I don't see IBM offering > >> to see the cases individually and the one that came with my DVD drive > >> doesn't appear to have an FRU on it anywhere. Are these not sold > >> separately? > > > >I've been trying to find these cases for a _long_ time! The one that came > today > >with my other DVD (thanks again for the headsup Emanuel) came in a bag > that says > >it was made by Port but doesn't have a Port part no. on it. > > > >It _does_ have an IBM part no. of 05K4562. I haven't been able to find > that on > >any of the IBM parts sites as yet, but I haven't called Boulder parts yet to > >check there. > > > >I would definitely love one of these for my Zip drive and one for my 2nd HDD > >adapter. If anyone tracks them down online or through Boulder parts, > please let > >us know. > > > > OK - I asked the Port Rep about the cases, and the P/N is TL61000. They're > 5.8"x6.6"x1.4". weigh .54lb and retail for $19.95. For some reason, > they're not on the Port website, but they are listed in the 9/00 booklet > that comes with new ThinkPads. She said they could be ordered from Port at > 800.852.5884. They might be catalogued under "pouch" rather than "case". Searching by # I found other 2, one of same size, one slightly larger. And the numbers are: 610BLK, 640BLK, TP6100. The first retail at Port $14.95. Searching www.shopper.com you'll find (at least the one I looked up: 640BLK) discounted by several vendors. Some of those vendors who don't charge shipping also offer the lower costs. A real bargain, the 640BLK for total $10 each (please, delete this sentence if references to bargains are not allowed...). > Wasn't someone asking about the Targus Universal AC Adapter the other day? > It's very nice. Very lightweight and comes standard with removable tips to > fit IBM, Compaq and Toshiba. If you need Dell tips, they can be acquired. > You can also get tips to fit cell phones, too. > > Anything else? Yes. ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________ From cph Mon Oct 2 18:20:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA08401 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:20:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25043; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:11:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24688; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24665; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:11:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:11:39 -0400 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.27]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001002221134.YRHZ22244.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:11:34 +0000 Received: from [24.189.193.217] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:11:33 +0000 To: "David W. Taylor" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Judge Judy rules!!! (was: USB thingie) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:11:33 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: scosgt@att.net Message-Id: <20001002221134.YRHZ22244.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: EXCEPT THAT THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT 5 DID NOT GET THE ORIGINAL INFO HERE AND... NEVER OFFERED TO SELL ONE TO ANYONE HERE, AT ANY PRICE. THEREFORE YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT AND THIS SOULD END. ENOUGH SAID > There are three ways to look at this case: > > 1. If Judge Judy's court was in session, the people who went out and bought > a single unit were entirely blameless. The people, who managed to find more > than one unit, had no DIRECT contract with the original poster and so could > not be help liable in a legal way. Open messages in a public forum are > unlikely to form the basis of a legal contract. > > 2. Outside of Judge Judy's court and closer to home, if one of my children > had been one of the lucky ones to find more than one of the units, and who > then did not offer the original poster a unit at cost plus expenses, such as > tax, fuel, and freight, that child would have been punished. If the child > had found five units, bragged about the find and then tried to turn over a > unit at a huge profit to the original poster, then that child would have > been grounded for a year or worse. > > 3. In the larger court of the universe, the child who found five units, > bragged about the find and then tried to turn over a unit at a huge profit, > will ultimately have to deal with the karma of that act. We have no way of > knowing the fate of this person but it is fair to say that a great deal of > pain and suffering is likely over time in this life or the next. > > Anyone who feels that they might fall in group 3, could heavily influence > the fates with an act of atonement. > > The Judge has ruled! > > From cph Mon Oct 2 19:09:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA08732 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:09:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00849; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:00:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29974; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29911; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:00:49 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-42.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.195]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA27965; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:00:31 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Jane Loyless" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: [TP600] Now, about the CD-ROM cases Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:06:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20001002154610.0094e100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Jane Loyless [mailto:jloyless@netbox.com] wrote: > OK - I asked the Port Rep about the cases, and the P/N is TL61000. They're > 5.8"x6.6"x1.4". weigh .54lb and retail for $19.95. For some reason, > they're not on the Port website, but they are listed in the 9/00 booklet > that comes with new ThinkPads. She said they could be ordered from Port at > 800.852.5884. Close, but no cigar Jane. The case I was speaking of that came with my DVD drive is a simple flip-top envelope like an old portfolio case. The same case came with the CD drive for my 600E, and they're just big enough to slide an Ultraslimbay device in. In fact, now that I've checked my pile of Thinkpad stuff, I've got another one that the CD for my 760XL came in and that's just a bit larger in the opening, i.e. large enough for the 75X/76X series devices vs. the Ultraslimbay devices. The one the Port Rep told you about is _much_ thicker, probably the same case that Sigma Data used to ship with all of their hard drives. Got two of those too! > Wasn't someone asking about the Targus Universal AC Adapter the other day? > It's very nice. Very lightweight and comes standard with removable tips to > fit IBM, Compaq and Toshiba. If you need Dell tips, they can be acquired. > You can also get tips to fit cell phones, too. Just got one for our trip to China in Nov. A very nice piece. Got it from www.buy.com for $88.95 and FREE shipping. > Anything else? Yes Mommy, fix my TP755CD!!! Regards, James From cph Mon Oct 2 20:04:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA09148 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:04:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06300; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:58:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05910; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05895; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:58:01 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA95466; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BlackBird (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA77090; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01b401c02ccc$d9b40ca0$0c11a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <20001002221134.YRHZ22244.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Judge Judy rules!!! (was: USB thingie) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:59:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: With charm like that, I can tell you didn't attend an expensive finishing school. David ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "David W. Taylor" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Judge Judy rules!!! (was: USB thingie) > EXCEPT THAT THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT 5 DID NOT GET THE > ORIGINAL INFO HERE AND... > NEVER OFFERED TO SELL ONE TO ANYONE HERE, AT ANY PRICE. > THEREFORE YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT AND THIS SOULD END. > ENOUGH SAID > > There are three ways to look at this case: > > > > 1. If Judge Judy's court was in session, the people who went out and bought > > a single unit were entirely blameless. The people, who managed to find more > > than one unit, had no DIRECT contract with the original poster and so could > > not be help liable in a legal way. Open messages in a public forum are > > unlikely to form the basis of a legal contract. > > > > 2. Outside of Judge Judy's court and closer to home, if one of my children > > had been one of the lucky ones to find more than one of the units, and who > > then did not offer the original poster a unit at cost plus expenses, such as > > tax, fuel, and freight, that child would have been punished. If the child > > had found five units, bragged about the find and then tried to turn over a > > unit at a huge profit to the original poster, then that child would have > > been grounded for a year or worse. > > > > 3. In the larger court of the universe, the child who found five units, > > bragged about the find and then tried to turn over a unit at a huge profit, > > will ultimately have to deal with the karma of that act. We have no way of > > knowing the fate of this person but it is fair to say that a great deal of > > pain and suffering is likely over time in this life or the next. > > > > Anyone who feels that they might fall in group 3, could heavily influence > > the fates with an act of atonement. > > > > The Judge has ruled! > > > > > > From cph Mon Oct 2 22:25:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA10128 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:25:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17981; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:19:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17624; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tkgis.tku.edu.tw (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17593; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tkgis.tku.edu.tw (163.13.240.16 -> tkgis.tku.edu.tw) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:18:27 -0400 Received: from chenbj ([163.13.138.202]) by tkgis.tku.edu.tw (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA70763 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:22:18 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from chenbj@gcn.net.tw) Message-ID: <00f701c02ce0$2f360620$ca8a0da3@tku.edu.tw> Reply-To: "³¯¬f§¡" From: "³¯¬f§¡" To: Subject: Think Pad Group List... Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:18:13 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: I want to joint the group list... From cph Mon Oct 2 23:53:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA10743 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:53:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25030; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:46:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24688; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mailserver249 (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24640; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mailserver249 (12.30.178.249 -> mailserver249.halfpricehosting.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:45:26 -0400 Received: from snapper3 [203.167.198.33] by Mailserver249 with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.03) id A80533E02BE; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 23:52:37 -0400 From: "Will Lau" To: , Subject: RE: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:45:33 +1300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39dbc997.17395983@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: > One person described the increase as "noticeable, but not > dramatic." Between the 30 vs 32 Gig or the 30 vs the 12 Gig? BTW - RPM does not necessarily dictate speed. Right? Thought exercise: If I pack in 30gigs onto a disk instead of 12Gigs, wont the 30gig be reading more data per revolution of the disk? Would be nice to see all the real specs. Seek time, burst throughput, and other specs that I'm guessing HDD makers slap onto their device. -Will > -----Original Message----- > From: Emanuel Brown [mailto:epbrown01@att.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 3 October 2000 6:47 a.m. > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:37:04 +1300, you wrote: > >Are these new IBM drives any faster than say my 12Gig Travelstar? > >Or the 18-20 Gig HDDs? > > The only 12.5mm drive faster than 4200 rpm is the 32GH, which is > 32GB and 5411 rpm. > > > >Any real world increase in speed? > > One person described the increase as "noticeable, but not > dramatic." > Emanuel > "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; > most people settle for the car." Chris Titus > 1983 911 SC > http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg > From cph Tue Oct 3 02:13:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA11479 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:13:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02512; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:09:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02332; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot12.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02319; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot12.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.32 -> pilot12.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:09:57 -0400 Received: (from andres@localhost) by pilot12.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e9369t129200 for "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu"; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:09:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200010030609.e9369t129200@pilot12.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephan F Andre" In-Reply-To: from "Will Lau" at Oct 3, 2000 04:45:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: RPM almost always does indicate speed, in that the faster a disk revolves the faster the disk is positioned under the head again to get more data. Now you could I suppose come up with a strange enough system that extra speed wouldn't matter, but that isn't the way most disks are these days. Hmm. The www.ibm.com/storage web site should list all the details on all the disks. When I have time I'll look there... --STeve Andre' > > > One person described the increase as "noticeable, but not > > dramatic." > > Between the 30 vs 32 Gig or the 30 vs the 12 Gig? > > > > > BTW - RPM does not necessarily dictate speed. Right? > > Thought exercise: > > If I pack in 30gigs onto a disk instead of 12Gigs, wont the 30gig be reading > more data per revolution of the disk? > > Would be nice to see all the real specs. Seek time, burst throughput, and > other specs that I'm guessing HDD makers slap onto their device. > > -Will > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Emanuel Brown [mailto:epbrown01@att.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, 3 October 2000 6:47 a.m. > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:37:04 +1300, you wrote: > > >Are these new IBM drives any faster than say my 12Gig Travelstar? > > >Or the 18-20 Gig HDDs? > > > > The only 12.5mm drive faster than 4200 rpm is the 32GH, which is > > 32GB and 5411 rpm. > > > > > >Any real world increase in speed? > > > > One person described the increase as "noticeable, but not > > dramatic." > > Emanuel > > "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; > > most people settle for the car." Chris Titus > > 1983 911 SC > > http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg > > > > From cph Tue Oct 3 03:39:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA11960 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:39:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06670; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:36:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06505; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06492; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (64.4.8.121 -> oe17.law9.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:36:19 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:36:18 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [63.53.175.147] Reply-To: "Eugene Iwasa" From: "Eugene Iwasa" To: Subject: Busted laptop screen Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 05:36:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 07:36:18.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E186430:01C02D0C] List-Unsubscribe: Hi everyone, I recently dropped my TP240 and the screen broke. I called IBM to ask how much it would cost to replace the screen, and it turned out to be more than the original cost of the laptop ($1100 for repair, $1069 for original purchase). Right now I use my laptop connected to an external monitor. Anyway I wanted to ask what options I have (besides buying a new laptop because I've already done that...a Sony Z505JE on the way). Is there a market for laptops like mine with a broken screen? I happen to own a Workpad Z50 that has the same dimensions...is it possible to switch screens? If the 240 is not worth anything on the market, I know I can still use it fine connected to an external monitor. In that case, is it possible to remove the broken LCD screen without affecting operation of the computer? Any input appreciated. Eugene From cph Tue Oct 3 03:58:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA12033 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:58:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07899; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:55:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07750; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07736; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:55:40 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-145.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.145]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e937tLB02151; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:55:21 -0700 Message-ID: <39D990E1.32E21857@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:55:13 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eugene Iwasa CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Busted laptop screen References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Eugene Iwasa wrote: > > I recently dropped my TP240 and the screen broke. I called IBM to ask how > much it would cost to replace the screen, and it turned out to be more than > the original cost of the laptop ($1100 for repair, $1069 for original > purchase). Right now I use my laptop connected to an external monitor. This is often the case. Even if you have the skills to replace the screen yourself, you would find a new LCD is also prohibitively expensive. > Anyway I wanted to ask what options I have (besides buying a new laptop > because I've already done that...a Sony Z505JE on the way). Is there a > market for laptops like mine with a broken screen? I happen to own a Workpad > Z50 that has the same dimensions...is it possible to switch screens? If the > 240 is not worth anything on the market, I know I can still use it fine > connected to an external monitor. In that case, is it possible to remove the > broken LCD screen without affecting operation of the computer? Yes, there is a pretty good market for them on Ebay. If you don't want to deal with Ebay, there are people (like myself) that enjoy tinkering with them. I don't know if it's possible to switch screens, you'll have to check the IBM website to see if the part numbers match. You might be able to locate a used replacement screen on Ebay as well. You could also look for a broken 240 with a good screen, and make 1 good one out of 2 broken ones. Yes, it IS possible to remove a broken LCD screen without affecting operation of the computer. At least it is possible on the TP760-series. I have used one with the screen portion completely detached before. Good luck! Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Oct 3 04:01:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA12074 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 04:01:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08497; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 04:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:58:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08275; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08261; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:58:41 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-145.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.145]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e937wdB02379 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:58:39 -0700 Message-ID: <39D991A7.A728E9E2@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:58:31 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: WTB: Broken TP560 Power Supply Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Awhile back, someone mentioned having a broken TP560 power supply. If you are that person, or happen to have one, I would be interested in purchasing it. Thanks. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Oct 3 04:10:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA12105 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 04:10:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09459; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 04:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 04:07:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09302; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 04:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09289; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 04:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 04:07:08 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA19408 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:06:54 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000b01c02d10$e5b75d60$4e62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: <39D991A7.A728E9E2@mail.orion.org> Subject: Re: Broken TP560 Power Supply Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:06:32 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > Awhile back, someone mentioned having a broken TP560 power supply. Depending on your definition of "awhile", that could have been me. Unfortunately, I fixed mine (sort of - it is rather horrible to look at, and no longer has the little coil/rfi thing on the end, but it works as a spare). (I also bought a replacement, then a whole new 560, so now I'm nearly drowning in supplies...) Ok, now you have to tell us: first, you wanted a broken battery, now a broken power supply: are you trying to build a Franken560 entirely out of dead parts?-) - David R. From cph Tue Oct 3 05:57:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA12469 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:57:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18195; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:51:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18000; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mst.tomail.com.tw (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17965; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mst.tomail.com.tw (210.200.129.239 -> mst.tomail.com.tw) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:51:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 29082 invoked by uid 10000); 3 Oct 2000 09:51:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20001003095109.29081.qmail@mst.tomail.com.tw> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:51:03 Subject: subscribe From: chenyuhung@pchome.com.tw Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to base64 by cs.utk.edu id FAA18195 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA12470 ========================================================== PC home §K¶O¹q¤l«H½c¡A¥Ó½Ð½Ð¦Ü: http://www.pchome.com.tw PC home Online ºô¸ô®a®x¡@¡@ ·|­û²Ä¤@¡A¥xÆW³Ì¤jªº¤J¤fºô¯¸ ========================================================== From cph Tue Oct 3 08:16:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA13335 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:16:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24699; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:10:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24252; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24239; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:10:07 -0400 Received: from 119.chicago-13-14rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.153.119]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001003121005.GBEK9211.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@119.chicago-13-14rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:10:05 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: Subject: Re: Broken TP560 Power Supply Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:10:05 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39dccbe9.1534528@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <39D991A7.A728E9E2@mail.orion.org> <000b01c02d10$e5b75d60$4e62183f@math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <000b01c02d10$e5b75d60$4e62183f@math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA13336 On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:06:32 -1000, you wrote: >Ok, now you have to tell us: first, you wanted a broken battery, now a broken >power supply: are you trying >to build a Franken560 entirely out of dead parts?-) I was just thinking "what sort of monster is this guy building?" when I read the previous post as well. BUt that's more because I've cobbled together a creature or two in my time. You want sick? How is this? The entire time I had my Sony 505, I was tempted to try and get that 10.4" XGA display into my old IBM 701. I never *acted* on it, and I'm not proud of it, but the urge was definitely there. Just to see if it could be done. Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Tue Oct 3 08:32:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA13469 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:32:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26499; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:28:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26100; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26087; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iso.net (64.217.45.201 -> iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:28:28 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial27.fyvl.telxcom.net [64.217.44.155]) by iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA78355 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:25:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <39D9ECAE.F190874@iso.net> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 07:26:55 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives References: <200010030609.e9369t129200@pilot12.cl.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yes but that is like saying that because one car's engine has a higher RPM than another it is faster. It is the overall system speed that counts. And just like cars, one drive could be faster at the short haul (small files) while another would be faster at long haul (large files). So a comparison of all specs is a better indication than just drive RPM. Of course system bottlenecks count too. So a drive can be "faster" in one system than another. To carry the analogy to the ridiculous, which is faster, a dragster or a race car at Le Mans? and which do you want to drive, a Miata or a Peterbuilt? Bill Stephan F Andre wrote: > RPM almost always does indicate speed, in that the faster a > disk revolves the faster the disk is positioned under the > head again to get more data. Now you could I suppose come > up with a strange enough system that extra speed wouldn't > matter, but that isn't the way most disks are these days. > > Hmm. The www.ibm.com/storage web site should list all the > details on all the disks. When I have time I'll look there... > > --STeve Andre' > > > > > > One person described the increase as "noticeable, but not > > > dramatic." > > > > Between the 30 vs 32 Gig or the 30 vs the 12 Gig? > > > > > > > > > > BTW - RPM does not necessarily dictate speed. Right? > > > > Thought exercise: > > > > If I pack in 30gigs onto a disk instead of 12Gigs, wont the 30gig be reading > > more data per revolution of the disk? > > > > Would be nice to see all the real specs. Seek time, burst throughput, and > > other specs that I'm guessing HDD makers slap onto their device. > > > > -Will > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Emanuel Brown [mailto:epbrown01@att.net] > > > Sent: Tuesday, 3 October 2000 6:47 a.m. > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > Subject: Re: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:37:04 +1300, you wrote: > > > >Are these new IBM drives any faster than say my 12Gig Travelstar? > > > >Or the 18-20 Gig HDDs? > > > > > > The only 12.5mm drive faster than 4200 rpm is the 32GH, which is > > > 32GB and 5411 rpm. > > > > > > > >Any real world increase in speed? > > > > > > One person described the increase as "noticeable, but not > > > dramatic." > > > Emanuel > > > "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; > > > most people settle for the car." Chris Titus > > > 1983 911 SC > > > http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg > > > > > > > From cph Tue Oct 3 08:45:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA13551 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:45:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28156; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:41:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA27746; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA27717; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:41:13 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (ursa-minor-home [18.27.16.2]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29235; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39D9D3A2.9E4C58DB@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:40:02 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Will Lau CC: emanuel@brown.org, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Will Lau wrote: > If I pack in 30gigs onto a disk instead of 12Gigs, wont the 30gig be reading > more data per revolution of the disk? Exactly. If you're talking about streaming speed, then disk density plays a direct role since more bits go by the head every revolution. The only advantage of faster RPM is more along the lines of seek speed since it may have to wait almost an entire revolution (~0.2ms) for desired data to come back to the head. Now that surface density is getting so high, high RPM is less important. That's good from a noise and temperature standpoint too. --Lee Hetherington From cph Tue Oct 3 08:54:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA13597 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:54:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29655; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:49:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29214; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29199; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (194.29.192.20 -> netsonic.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:49:42 -0400 Received: from TP560X (letku107.adsl.netsonic.fi [194.29.195.107]) by nalle.netsonic.fi (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e93CnJu12040 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:49:19 +0300 Message-Id: <200010031249.e93CnJu12040@nalle.netsonic.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:49:14 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <39dccbe9.1534528@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Broken TP560 Power Supply X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 at 12:10 PM you, epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown), said: > I was just thinking "what sort of monster is this guy building?" when I >read the previous post as well. BUt that's more because I've cobbled >together a creature or two in my time. You want sick? How is this? The >entire time I had my Sony 505, I was tempted to try and get that 10.4" >XGA display into my old IBM 701. I never *acted* on it, and I'm not proud >of it, but the urge was definitely there. Just to see if it could be >done. Assuming it could be done, how much memory is there in the TP701 video adapter? Probably not enough to do anything useful with a 1024x768 display. -Dominique From cph Tue Oct 3 08:59:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA13658 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:59:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00537; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:55:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00069; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00056; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (128.196.137.197 -> trifid.U.Arizona.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:55:39 -0400 Received: from e770.spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (uofa725.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.118.217]) by trifid.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20734; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:55:31 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001003054425.00b929f0@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 05:55:03 -0700 To: "Stephan F Andre" From: "Stuart F. Biggar" Subject: Re: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200010030609.e9369t129200@pilot12.cl.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: If I remember correctly, the 32 GB rotates faster hence it takes less time for a given sector to arrive under the head. Therefore, drives that rotate faster have lower latency - the computer can get the data with a lower average delay (on the order of milliseconds). For a given bit density (linear), the faster a drive rotates, the higher the data rate. However, the bit density depends on the magnetic material and the heads. Recent notebook drives can use really high bit density giving a higher data rate at a given RPM. If I remember correctly, the 20/30 GB drives use a higher bit density than the 32 GB but the RPM difference with the 32 GB yields a higher data rate off the heads. However, the data rate depends on what zone of the drive the heads are actually reading from (more data on outer tracks than inner ones). The drives use the same interface so the burst rate >from the interface to the computer would be the same. Hence, I would expect the sustained data rate from the 32 to be somewhat higher that the 20/30 and that the latency would be lower so the 32 GB drive would be "faster" is several respects. Stuart At 02:09 AM 10/3/00 -0400, you wrote: >RPM almost always does indicate speed, in that the faster a >disk revolves the faster the disk is positioned under the >head again to get more data. Now you could I suppose come >up with a strange enough system that extra speed wouldn't >matter, but that isn't the way most disks are these days. > >Hmm. The www.ibm.com/storage web site should list all the >details on all the disks. When I have time I'll look there... > >--STeve Andre' > > > > > > One person described the increase as "noticeable, but not > > > dramatic." > > > > Between the 30 vs 32 Gig or the 30 vs the 12 Gig? > > > > > > > > > > BTW - RPM does not necessarily dictate speed. Right? > > > > Thought exercise: > > > > If I pack in 30gigs onto a disk instead of 12Gigs, wont the 30gig be > reading > > more data per revolution of the disk? > > > > Would be nice to see all the real specs. Seek time, burst throughput, and > > other specs that I'm guessing HDD makers slap onto their device. > > > > -Will > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Emanuel Brown [mailto:epbrown01@att.net] > > > Sent: Tuesday, 3 October 2000 6:47 a.m. > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > Subject: Re: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:37:04 +1300, you wrote: > > > >Are these new IBM drives any faster than say my 12Gig Travelstar? > > > >Or the 18-20 Gig HDDs? > > > > > > The only 12.5mm drive faster than 4200 rpm is the 32GH, which is > > > 32GB and 5411 rpm. > > > > > > > >Any real world increase in speed? > > > > > > One person described the increase as "noticeable, but not > > > dramatic." > > > Emanuel > > > "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; > > > most people settle for the car." Chris Titus > > > 1983 911 SC > > > http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg > > > > > > > From cph Tue Oct 3 09:46:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA14097 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:46:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05223; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:40:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04781; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04761; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:40:25 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUW7LYTH008WYSJ3@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:43:56 CST Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:43:55 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: Re: Judge Judy rules!!! (was: USB thi In-reply-to: <20001002221134.YRHZ22244.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> To: scosgt@att.net Cc: "David W. Taylor" , ThinkPad Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: That truly sums it all up :) first he was thanking m e for the info i posted here that helps him get 5 units, then he brag about it, then he moans about his gas and driving his car, then he calls greedy, preaching that one should o their own work and not to depend on others (HAH !) and now he is a LIAR ! :) what a CHARACTER ! BTW, THIS TOPIC IS GETTING OLD AND LETS PUT AN END TO IT HERE. anyone who wish to discuss this further (in which i hope there are none). pls use private email and do not waste this list's bandwidth. Cheers ! :) On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 scosgt@att.net wrote: > EXCEPT THAT THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT 5 DID NOT GET THE > ORIGINAL INFO HERE AND... > NEVER OFFERED TO SELL ONE TO ANYONE HERE, AT ANY PRICE. > THEREFORE YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT AND THIS SOULD END. > ENOUGH SAID > > There are three ways to look at this case: > > > > 1. If Judge Judy's court was in session, the people who went out and bought > > a single unit were entirely blameless. The people, who managed to find more > > than one unit, had no DIRECT contract with the original poster and so could > > not be help liable in a legal way. Open messages in a public forum are > > unlikely to form the basis of a legal contract. > > > > 2. Outside of Judge Judy's court and closer to home, if one of my children > > had been one of the lucky ones to find more than one of the units, and who > > then did not offer the original poster a unit at cost plus expenses, such as > > tax, fuel, and freight, that child would have been punished. If the child > > had found five units, bragged about the find and then tried to turn over a > > unit at a huge profit to the original poster, then that child would have > > been grounded for a year or worse. > > > > 3. In the larger court of the universe, the child who found five units, > > bragged about the find and then tried to turn over a unit at a huge profit, > > will ultimately have to deal with the karma of that act. We have no way of > > knowing the fate of this person but it is fair to say that a great deal of > > pain and suffering is likely over time in this life or the next. > > > > Anyone who feels that they might fall in group 3, could heavily influence > > the fates with an act of atonement. > > > > The Judge has ruled! > > > > > From cph Tue Oct 3 10:55:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14707 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:55:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13100; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:49:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12408; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12389; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:49:18 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a39.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.247]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADABF25D5F; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:47:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39D9F1FE.2C7888E1@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 07:49:34 -0700 From: Ray Bay Organization: Canyonlands Publishing Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emanuel@brown.org Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP600] Case Cleaning? References: <39dba739.24631881@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Remember that cleaning agents containing ammonia are very harmful, over time, to plastics and paints. Many plastics become brittle and more fragile to impact. Paints will eventually flake, chip, and peel. > > that wonderful matte-black finish? I was thinking something with a bit > of ammonia (removes fingerprint oils, according to my mystery novel > collection :-). From cph Tue Oct 3 11:33:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA15226 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:33:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18455; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:26:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17729; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-2.sjc.telocity.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17681; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-2.sjc.telocity.net (216.227.56.42 -> mail-2.sjc.telocity.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:26:34 -0400 Received: from attglobal.net (dsl-216-227-31-61.chi.interchangedsl.com [216.227.31.61]) by mail-2.sjc.telocity.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17498; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39D9F7F8.88E25CAA@attglobal.net> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:15:04 -0500 From: Jeff Fayne Reply-To: fayne@attglobal.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Busted laptop screen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Shawn Lin wrote: > > > This is often the case. Even if you have the skills to replace the > screen yourself, you would find a new LCD is also prohibitively > expensive. > Or do as I did, buy a $35 eBay special and swap out the LCD. Then sell the remainder back on ebay for what you paid (teehee) Jeff From cph Tue Oct 3 12:11:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA15771 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:11:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23788; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:06:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23333; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23312; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (216.101.175.230 -> smtp.innovisions.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:06:19 -0400 Received: by mailsf.innoventry.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:02:21 -0700 Message-ID: <818E2295B394D211BF1B0008C709553E021300C8@mailsf.innoventry.com> From: Mitchell Yee To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Thinkpad CD-ROM case Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:02:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: for the collective reference, the IBM part number is 05K4562 "Thinkpad CD-ROM Case". UPC code: 7-89354-007124. This is from my Ultraslimbay Zip drive. Hope this helps the cause. Mitchell From cph Tue Oct 3 12:58:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA16171 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:57:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03719; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:49:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02539; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02470; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:49:04 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUWE7ALZ928WYVDZ@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:52:09 CST Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:52:08 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: $64 16meg win ce PDA COLOR ! To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: ITs back just after few days ! another hot deal. AS a way of not affecting this list in bandwidth or causing more future BRAG & MOAN & Pissing contests. IF you want to know how to get this deal, email me personally. and oh, dont bother checking all of your known "www sites cause i am not posting this up to the public before everyone here gets their share :) or before someone goes out and bagged 50 units for themselves :) From cph Tue Oct 3 13:12:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA16369 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:12:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06329; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:04:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06019; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noc.neumedia.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05977; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noc.neumedia.net (208.192.16.2 -> noc.neumedia.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:04:20 -0400 Received: from neumedia.net (elkins.p068.neumedia.net [208.192.18.118]) by noc.neumedia.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA18809 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39DA1116.D24E9341@neumedia.net> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:02:14 -0400 From: "James D. Meader" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TIRED of this CD-RW drive squabble! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Will you guys please knock off this argument about these drives? It has stopped being constructive (LONG ago) and has now descended into meaningless noise. Jon and Bruce, enough. You want to keep fighting, take it to private email and spare the rest of us. Some of you got a good deal on a drive, some didn't, that's LIFE, now let's move on. From cph Tue Oct 3 13:14:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA16388 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:13:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07171; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:07:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06565; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout3-0.nyroc.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06427; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout3-0.nyroc.rr.com (24.92.226.168 -> mailout3-1.nyroc.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:06:43 -0400 Received: from mail3.stny.rr.com (mail3-0 [24.92.226.69]) by mailout3-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19254 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jeff-s-thinkpad.potsdam.edu ([24.169.76.135]) by mail3.stny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-53939U80000L80000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:47:23 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001003124803.00b1c960@mail.potsdam.edu> X-Sender: hatton64@mail.potsdam.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:50:17 +0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jeff Hatton Subject: linux on a 570 Dual diaplay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I have recently installed Redhat 7 on my 570 and am wondering if anyone has figured out how to get the neomagic dual display option to work like it does in 98? I am also curious what the best way to handle the ultrabase is in linux. Jeff Hatton Hatton64@potsdam.edu (607)760-0791 From cph Tue Oct 3 13:22:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA16459 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:22:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09019; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:16:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08627; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08581; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:16:35 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.48.2.36 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:15:37 -0700 Message-ID: <005901c02d5e$10f15100$2402303f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: WTB ac adapter for 560 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:19:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I need a ac adapter for my wifes 560. Include USPS priority shipping in your price please. Thanks Booger From cph Tue Oct 3 13:48:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA16773 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:48:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12995; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:39:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12655; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12556; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:38:43 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUWFXCFAE88WYW0T@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:42:10 CST Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:42:10 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: i have posted the deal on some websites :) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: wht the hell, since i am not the tyoe of guy that holds grudges :) 1-800-3staples order item 382649 use coupons 90926, 90690 if you found additional unit pls let me know as i like 1 unit too. From cph Tue Oct 3 14:22:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA17261 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:22:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17482; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:07:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16841; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16811; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.58 -> mail8.wlv.netzero.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:07:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 11314 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 18:07:26 -0000 Received: from 63-93-97-197.oak.dial.netzero.com (HELO CHUCK) (63.93.97.197) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 18:07:26 -0000 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:07:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: i have posted the deal on some websites :) Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Message-ID: <39D9BDE7.25735.5623CE@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: On 3 Oct 2000, at 12:42, Jon W wrote: > wht the hell, since i am not the tyoe of guy that holds grudges :) > > 1-800-3staples > > order item 382649 > > use coupons 90926, 90690 Trying to order it through their website gets the message that "item is out of stock." FYI. Thanks, Jon. _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Tue Oct 3 14:36:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA17414 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:36:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20265; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:27:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19748; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19656; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:27:09 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-46.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.46]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e93IQsB31237; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:26:55 -0700 Message-ID: <39DA24E8.4A487A74@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:26:48 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Broken TP560 Power Supply References: <39D991A7.A728E9E2@mail.orion.org> <000b01c02d10$e5b75d60$4e62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David Ross wrote: > > > Awhile back, someone mentioned having a broken TP560 power supply. > [snip] > Ok, now you have to tell us: first, you wanted a broken battery, now a broken > power supply: are you trying > to build a Franken560 entirely out of dead parts?-) Yes! That's exactly it. I bought a broken 560E and repaired it, but it came with no external accessories. I'm trying to keep the whole project <$200 so I figured I'd track down some more dead parts because I'm fairly confident in my repairing abilities. I missed out on a good one on Ebay for $20 (forgot about it until there were 18 seconds left and didn't have enough time to bid). Then after that, every other one I found was $40-72 before shipping. It's incredible how much the price on something varies on Ebay! Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Oct 3 14:41:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA17481 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:41:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19961; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:25:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19471; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19457; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:25:47 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a0.pm3-22.theriver.com [208.164.96.160]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E3826008; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:24:59 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39DA2479.E41496D8@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:24:57 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon W Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: $64 16meg win ce PDA COLOR ! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Too many of your posts have no relevance to the purposes of this list. Could you do your marketing elsewhere, or point out the relevance to Thinkpad users. Ray From cph Tue Oct 3 15:03:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA17899 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:03:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23101; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:50:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22776; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22718; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:49:40 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-46.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.46]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e93InbB01961 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:49:37 -0700 Message-ID: <39DA2A3A.662BE495@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:49:30 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: $64 16meg win ce PDA COLOR ! References: <39DA2479.E41496D8@theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ray Bay wrote: > > Too many of your posts have no relevance to the purposes of this list. > Could you do your marketing elsewhere, or point out the relevance to > Thinkpad users. I personally like his posts, even though none of the Staples ones ever pans out for me. Always "Out of Stock". However, Jon, maybe you ought to start a "Tech Bargains" mailing list. You can start free mailing lists at http://www.egroups.com. Hey, I'd join! I buy lots of stuff I don't need because I can't pass up a bargain. ;) Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Oct 3 15:30:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA18324 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:30:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26651; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:22:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26180; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls20.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26165; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls20.mediaone.net (24.147.1.156 -> chmls20.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:22:33 -0400 Received: from laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls20.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA11821 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:22:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: Question about format of list on 770z Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:22:42 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01c02d6f$4d3606e0$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Perhaps there is a setting I don't know about, but using Outlook on a 770z, this list appears as icons crowded together too closely for me to be able to read the title of each attachment properly. Does anyone know the fix for this? Thanks -- Jeff From cph Tue Oct 3 15:50:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA18505 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:50:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28648; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:37:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28269; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28246; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:37:03 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA20931; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:36:49 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000f01c02d71$44e3ad60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Jeffrey Baker" , References: <002f01c02d6f$4d3606e0$0200a8c0@laptop> Subject: Re: Question about format of list on 770z Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:36:46 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > Perhaps there is a setting I don't know about, but using Outlook on a 770z, > this list appears as icons crowded together too closely for me to be able to > read the title of each attachment properly. Does anyone know the fix for > this? Thanks -- Jeff Are you saying that mail from this list looks different from mail from other sources? With a few anoying exceptions, most of us post here in plain text, and the posts should appear as regular emails. Have you upgraded Outlook lately? I've heard similarly strange complaints from other Outlook users lately on other lists, and most of them mentioned that they'd recently upgraded. - David R. From cph Tue Oct 3 15:54:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA18549 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:54:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01051; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:47:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00454; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00438; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:47:56 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.173] (helo=139-142-112-173.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13gY1b-000FiD-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:46:51 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Broken TP560 Power Supply Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:12:35 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <200010031249.e93CnJu12040@nalle.netsonic.fi> In-Reply-To: <200010031249.e93CnJu12040@nalle.netsonic.fi> Lines: 39 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: According to TWBOOK.PDF, page 36, the 701 Graphics controller is a CT-65545 with 1 MB DRAM. >> I was just thinking "what sort of monster is this guy building?" when I >>read the previous post as well. BUt that's more because I've cobbled >>together a creature or two in my time. You want sick? How is this? The >>entire time I had my Sony 505, I was tempted to try and get that 10.4" >>XGA display into my old IBM 701. I never *acted* on it, and I'm not proud >>of it, but the urge was definitely there. Just to see if it could be >>done. > >Assuming it could be done, how much memory is there in the TP701 video >adapter? Probably not enough to do anything useful with a 1024x768 >display. > >-Dominique > Frankenmachines, eh? I have a Datavue Spark V30-based computer with 384 K RAM in the basement. It has a (clacky but) nice keyboard, much better for touch typing than my 701. It has two 3.5" floppy bays. I've been wondering over the years if it is possible to interface a floppy connector. For example: floppy connector to PCMCIA to CompactFlash. Then the computer could be useful again for word processing. And instead of being limited to a 720K diskette, it could have the full panoply .... Incidentally, IBM is introducing a 1 GB CompactFlash drive. Kinda makes the mind boggle. -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Tue Oct 3 16:04:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA18750 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:04:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02357; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:59:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02037; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02021; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:59:36 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-46.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.46]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e93JxTB11155; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:59:30 -0700 Message-ID: <39DA3A9A.31F5E86C@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:59:22 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emanuel@brown.org CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Broken TP560 Power Supply References: <39D991A7.A728E9E2@mail.orion.org> <000b01c02d10$e5b75d60$4e62183f@math.hawaii.edu> <39dccbe9.1534528@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Emanuel Brown wrote: > > I was just thinking "what sort of monster is this guy building?" > when I read the previous post as well. BUt that's more because I've > cobbled together a creature or two in my time. You want sick? How is > this? The entire time I had my Sony 505, I was tempted to try and get > that 10.4" XGA display into my old IBM 701. I never *acted* on it, and > I'm not proud of it, but the urge was definitely there. Just to see if > it could be done. I don't think that would have worked. I tried connecting an 800x600 TFT LCD to an XGA video card in a 760ED XGA, and it didn't work. The connector was similar, but was keyed differently. I modified the connector so that it would plug in, but that didn't work. Pinouts may have been different, I don't know. I don't know enough about the digital signals on an LCD bus to know why it didn't work. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Oct 3 17:10:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA19433 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:10:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09802; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:07:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09389; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09374; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (24.30.163.11 -> laxmls02.socal.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:06:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (sc-24-24-233-88.socal.rr.com [24.24.233.88]) by laxmls02.socal.rr.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e93L5ih02201 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:05:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: mikeford@pop-server.socal.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20001001193435.21027.qmail@web3803.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:00:35 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: PEOPLE POSTING BARGAINS List-Unsubscribe: > HOwever, if the majority of you do not want these postings in the Keep posting, but PLEASE Keep it short. Nobody likes this drawn out, no need at all for the list to see them posts bickering back and forth. Keep private messages private. Most of these messages only had an audience of two or three people, not the whole list. From cph Tue Oct 3 17:12:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA19446 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:12:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09806; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:07:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09395; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09364; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (24.30.163.11 -> laxmls02.socal.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:06:55 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (sc-24-24-233-88.socal.rr.com [24.24.233.88]) by laxmls02.socal.rr.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e93L5hh02197 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:05:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: mikeford@pop-server.socal.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <39D78CA6.334F@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:04:15 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: BAGGED ONE!!!, now what? List-Unsubscribe: >I then , post out this GREAT deal on this wonderful list hoping for other >members to get into the deal. On the side i was hoping maybe if they can >find an extra one in their local staple stores they >are willing to help me buy one too. Only after that, i submitted this deal >to www.techbargains.com and other web sites. I am not saying it was "the" factor, but once posted to techbargains the chances of a thinkpad list member finding one dropped by half or more, and with it your chances of getting one from a list member dropped the same. I can't speak for others, but my plan was one for me, one for ebay, one for you. Unfortunately as others have mentioned, they were pretty rare here on the west coast (only carried by "A" stores, the big ones). I found one at the first Staples I tried Sunday after lunch (Orange, CA), but neither of the next two stores I tried even had a place for anything but the HP and Zip CDRW. I have no doubt that the employee network kicked in shortly after I left each store either. What nobody has mentioned so far is if the unit is worth it. Its been my first big lesson in USB not working out of the box, and clearly shows the limits of USB. Its fussy about plugging and unplugging and when the unit power needs to be turned off and on, auto insertion notification must be turned off on ALL CD drives, and 4x is the max apparently, and pushing it, for any USB device. Some software flat doesn't work with it, I tried the popular shareware utility, BackUP and it gives me an error -52, doesn't see it I guess. For most programs, including the Sony Extreme CD burner it shows up as a CRX120e Atapi, so don't get bugged if you see that. Sony support was quick and helpfull, even on a Sunday night. Right now I think I would still give the edge to having a nice internal SCSI or IDE CDRW, but I think over time as I get more USB computers around the house it will be a better and better item to have. Anybody have suggestions for backup software to use with a USB burner? From cph Tue Oct 3 17:42:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA19706 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:42:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13329; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:37:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13110; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from is1.royl.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13091; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from is1.royl.com (216.250.91.131 -> D8FA5B83.ptr.dia.nextlink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:36:56 -0400 Received: from hebron [216.250.91.193] by is1.royl.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A0241C700E8; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:31:16 -0700 From: "Stephen Hosmer" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Port replicator Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:31:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C02D46.965223A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C02D46.965223A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id RAA13329 Does anyone know if the A21 uses the same port replicator as one of the other TP=92s? My A21P is now in transit (I hope IBM is telling the truit= h. They don=92t give out tracking numbers) and I want to use the replicator = with this one. _________________________________ Royale Energy Inc. (NASDAQ: ROYL) Stephen M. Hosmer ( mailto:hosmer@royl.com) Chief Financial Officer ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C02D46.965223A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C02D46.965223A0-- From cph Tue Oct 3 18:06:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA19924 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:06:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15929; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:01:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15705; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from is1.royl.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15689; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from is1.royl.com (216.250.91.131 -> D8FA5B83.ptr.dia.nextlink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:01:40 -0400 Received: from hebron [216.250.91.206] by is1.royl.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A5F81EA00E8; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:56:08 -0700 From: "Stephen Hosmer" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Port Replicator Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:56:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id SAA15929 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA19925 Since it was pointed out that I sent the mail the brand new HTML format that some of you my not be using yet, let’s try that again. Does anyone know if the A21 uses the same port replicator as one of the other TP’s? My A21P is now in transit (I hope IBM is telling the truith. They don’t give out tracking numbers) and I want to use the replicator with this one. From: Jane Loyless [mailto:jloyless@netbox.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:41 PM To: Stephen Hosmer Subject: Re: Port replicator I'd love to answer you, but as you see, it's very hard to tell what you're asking with the HTML turned on. Please turn it off. _________________________________ Royale Energy Inc. (NASDAQ: ROYL) Stephen M. Hosmer ( mailto:hosmer@royl.com) Chief Financial Officer From cph Tue Oct 3 18:58:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA20348 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:58:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20554; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:52:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20141; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20097; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:52:05 -0400 Received: from 135.chicago-11-12rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.152.135]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001003225159.PLDH9211.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@135.chicago-11-12rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:51:59 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Broken TP560 Power Supply Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 22:51:57 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39db6306.40217679@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <200010031249.e93CnJu12040@nalle.netsonic.fi> In-Reply-To: <200010031249.e93CnJu12040@nalle.netsonic.fi> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA20349 On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:49:14 +0300, you wrote: >Assuming it could be done, how much memory is there in the TP701 video >adapter? Probably not enough to do anything useful with a 1024x768 >display. Probably not - I think the 701 had 1MB of VRAM, enough to do 256 colors at XGA, iirc. Still, to have an XGA with the 701 case and keyboard, rather than the typical cramped ultra-light keyboard was mighty tempting. Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Tue Oct 3 19:02:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA20401 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:02:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21368; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:59:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21150; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.naratis.com.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21011; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.naratis.com.au (203.202.9.42) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:58:59 -0400 Received: by SYD02 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4FJVJF3R>; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:00:37 +1000 Message-ID: <775F6FF66493D411BB4C0090274ECE21011C71@SYD02> From: Peter Bell To: "'chenyuhung@pchome.com.tw'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: subscribe Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:00:36 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA20402 On this subject, does anyone know where the subscribe/unsubscribe details are available? -----Original Message----- From: chenyuhung@pchome.com.tw [mailto:chenyuhung@pchome.com.tw] Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2000 4:51 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: subscribe ========================================================== PC home §K¶O¹q¤l«H½c¡A¥Ó½Ð½Ð¦Ü: http://www.pchome.com.tw PC home Online ºô¸ô®a®x¡@¡@ ·|­û²Ä¤@¡A¥xÆW³Ì¤jªº¤J¤fºô¯¸ ========================================================== From cph Tue Oct 3 19:33:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA20587 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:33:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25151; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:27:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24570; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0b.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24523; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0b.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.31 -> www0b.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:27:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 21131 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2000 23:27:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20001003232736.21130.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.31 by www0b for [24.163.172.50] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Tue Oct 3 23:27:35 GMT 2000 Date: 3 Oct 00 18:27:35 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Peter Bell , "chenyuhung@pchome.com.tw" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: subscribe X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA20588 Peter Bell wrote: > On this subject, does anyone know where the subscribe/unsubscribe details > are available? > The details are sent out to the list member immediately upon successfully subscribing to the list. Here is the archived copy that I kept: Enjoy, Rob ---- Welcome to the ThinkPad mailing list! This list is for general discussion among IBM ThinkPad owners and users. This list is also available in a digest format, where you get one (large) email message per day. If you want the digest format, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu and say so. (If you have a ThinkPad 500, you might want to subscribe to the ibm-tp500 list in addition to, or instead of, this list. To do this, send mail to Majordomo@andrsn.stanford.edu with the line subscribe ibm-tp500 your-email-address in the message body.) >>> NOTE <<< In general, advertising of commercial products or services is prohibited on this list. However, list members may post brief, one-time announcements of new products, as long as those products are specifically related to ThinkPad computers, and the announcement is free of hype. >>> IMPORTANT <<< 1. To send something to the list, mail it to THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU 2. To subscribe to the list, unsubscribe from the list, or to change your address, send mail to THINKPAD-REQUEST@CS.UTK.EDU. (If you sent your subscribe message to the whole list, that's okay, but please use the -REQUEST address next time!) 3. When sending a message to the list about a particular kind of thinkpad, put the model of that thinkpad in the Subject field. Example: Subject: [TP750] audio support for Linux? 4. When replying to a message, look at the Subject field. If the discussion topic has strayed so that the Subject field is no longer appropriate, choose a new Subject. ThinkPad is almost certainly a trademark of IBM. The FAQ for this group is available for anonymous ftp from swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu, directory pub/archive/thinkpad/faq (URL: ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/faq/ ) Thanks to Sean Chou for maintaining the FAQ. There's also an archive of the past traffic on the list in ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/archive Please introduce yourself! Tell us what kind of machine you have, how it's configured (how much memory/disk, what accessories, etc.), and what operating system(s) you are using. (send this to the LIST address -- if you reply to this message, it goes to the wrong place!) ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Tue Oct 3 20:06:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA20782 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:06:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29764; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:03:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29243; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29176; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:02:40 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.159]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001004000238.QMRF9211.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl>; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:02:38 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001003195842.017798d0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:58:42 -0400 To: "Stephen Hosmer" , "Thinkpad" From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Port Replicator In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id UAA29764 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id UAA20783 At 02:56 PM 10/03/2000 -0700, Stephen Hosmer wrote: >Does anyone know if the A21 uses the same port replicator as one of the >other TP’s? My A21P is now in transit (I hope IBM is telling the truith. >They don’t give out tracking numbers) and I want to use the replicator with >this one. > Thanks for the plain text! The A2xx series uses the same port replicator as the T2xx/X2xx series machines. It is not compatible with port replicators from earlier series TPs such as the 600, 770, etc. Sorry! From cph Tue Oct 3 20:08:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA20792 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:08:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29768; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:03:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29318; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29280; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:03:17 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a43.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.251]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529A825CC0; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:01:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39DA7373.7E8A647E@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:01:55 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Long Shot - Off Topic - iPaq for Nepal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Not a Thinkpad subject... sorry... humanitarian non-profit. But I have just been asked to help round up some Compaq iPaq H3650 handheld/PDA's for a traveling hospital clinic ... Arizona and New Mexico doctors soon leaving for the remote reaches of Nepal... Nobody has one... I have contacted compUSA, PCConnection, Insight, necxdirect, warehouse, CDW, computers4sure, egghead, and buy.com. all out of stock. backorder. I have been trying to sell them on Thinkpad X-20's but they have seen the Compaq's and like them... will hook them up to solar power sources... I am hoping that one of you will have an idea of a location that might have some, one, any in stock for immediate shipment. I get nothing out of this but satisfaction of getting this team some communication gear.... Send any ideas to canyonlands@theriver.com No need to gum up the list. If not, suggest others just as good. Thanks Ray From cph Tue Oct 3 20:11:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA20860 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:11:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00148; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:05:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29619; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29566; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:04:57 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.159]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001004000455.QNIF9211.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl>; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:04:55 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001003200100.017798d0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:01:00 -0400 To: Peter Bell , "'chenyuhung@pchome.com.tw'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: subscribe In-Reply-To: <775F6FF66493D411BB4C0090274ECE21011C71@SYD02> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:00 AM 10/04/2000 +1000, Peter Bell wrote: >On this subject, does anyone know where the subscribe/unsubscribe details >are available? > Unsubscribe instructions are in the header of every message that is sent through the list. mailto:thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu?Subject=unsubscribe or mailto:thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu?Subject=subscribe From cph Tue Oct 3 20:42:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA21083 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:42:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04200; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:37:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03840; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03824; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:37:30 -0400 Received: from emendels (adsl-141-155-113-124.bellatlantic.net [141.155.113.124]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA00288 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003201c02d9b$447d0a40$080aa8c6@zd.com> From: "Edward Mendelson" To: Subject: [TP360/750/755/760 etc.] Lightweight power supply for ThinkPad 750 etc.? Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:37:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Is there a lightweight power supply out there that's compatible with the ThinkPad 750 and similar series (360/755/760/others)? IBM's original power supply begins to feel like a very large brick very quickly... Thanks for any suggestions. Edward Mendelson Contributing Editor PC Magazine From cph Tue Oct 3 20:43:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA21091 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:43:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04471; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:39:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04076; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.aros.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04031; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:39:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.aros.net (207.173.16.20 -> mail.aros.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:39:30 -0400 Received: from kalynda (dm9-237.slc.aros.net [207.173.24.237]) by mail.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA82054 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:39:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200010040039.SAA82054@mail.aros.net> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:33:02 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: OS/2 -- 760E X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: More than a few kind souls have answered my questions in pmail, I hope no one minds if I ask them in the general forum, rather than individually. I keep reading about updated install disks for Warp4. When I search the IBM site, I find an updated set of drivers, which I have used, but I don't see any actual disks, or disk images. Is "updated install disks" just a buzzword for the new drivers that I have to install to the old disks, or has some kind soul created three disks, or images that can be downloaded and copied? I know I could look around myself, but my US West phone lines don't allow internet access over about 500cps in the evening time, so is a real drag to go searching for something, so I appreciate any help that saves me the aggravation. Thanks for any advice. Regards from Utah, John From cph Tue Oct 3 21:29:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA21613 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:29:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09681; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:25:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09351; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tango.SoftHome.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09337; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010040125.VAA09337@cs.utk.edu> Received: from tango.SoftHome.net (204.144.231.49 -> tango.SoftHome.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:25:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 14800 invoked by uid 417); 4 Oct 2000 01:27:01 -0000 Received: from dyn-128-203.mtvernon.cnw.net (HELO TEST) (207.149.128.203) by smtpa.softhome.net with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 01:27:01 -0000 From: Vicky Stables Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:25:36 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200010040039.SAA82054@mail.aros.net> Subject: Re: OS/2 -- 760E X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zk/19zk List-Unsubscribe: In <200010040039.SAA82054@mail.aros.net>, on 10/03/2000 at 06:33 PM, said: >I keep reading about updated install disks for Warp4. These will handle the big hard drives, and they will will work with desktops too. >IBM has updated (on 27/5/2000) the OS/2 installation disks. They are >intended for several Thinkpads (namely the T20) but can also used with >other PC's. For more information and the download see: > http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/YAST-3MARH8.html Hope this helps. Vicky -- ___________________________________________________________ Vicky Stables, CPA Anacortes, Washington, USA ___________________________________________________________ From cph Tue Oct 3 21:39:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA21670 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:39:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10709; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:36:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10476; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10463; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (209.228.12.81 -> c014-h017.c014.sfo.cp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:35:58 -0400 Received: (cpmta 18876 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2000 18:35:53 -0700 Received: from d83b7843.dsl.flashcom.net (HELO raid) (216.59.120.67) by smtp.flashcom.net (209.228.12.81) with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 18:35:53 -0700 X-Sent: 4 Oct 2000 01:35:53 GMT Reply-To: From: "John Ford" To: Subject: For Sale extra ThinkPad Selectabase docking station for 770 series Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:38:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: If anyone wants a ThinkPad 770 Selectabase docking station like new in the original box for %50 off retail email me. Located in Seattle, WA and can ship FedEx COD or accept credit cards with PayPal service. John Ford paraglide@flashcom.net From cph Wed Oct 4 00:02:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA22763 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:02:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23376; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:56:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22675; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fractal.ee.ntu.edu.tw (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22658; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fractal.ee.ntu.edu.tw (140.112.41.24 -> fractal.ee.ntu.edu.tw) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:56:27 -0400 Received: from JAVA (java.ee.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.41.33]) by fractal.ee.ntu.edu.tw (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA06339 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:53:51 +0800 Message-ID: <000801c02db7$049e1d30$2129708c@ee.ntu.edu.tw> Reply-To: =?big5?B?s6+l365w?= From: =?big5?B?s6+l365w?= To: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:55:41 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C02DFA.04B441D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C02DFA.04B441D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C02DFA.04B441D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C02DFA.04B441D0-- From cph Wed Oct 4 02:49:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA23847 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 02:49:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02414; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 02:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 02:46:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02229; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 02:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02216; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 02:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 02:46:28 -0400 Received: from techshop ([64.108.11.108]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20001004064615.HZEI28200.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@techshop>; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 01:46:15 -0500 Message-ID: <003301c02dce$5d52e340$0a01a8c0@techshop> From: "Matt Winston" To: , References: <39D8E501.6E85E0AA@iso.net> Subject: Re: IBM Calculator give away Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 01:43:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Bill, That was nice of you to post for the TP users. If you lived close by, I'd bring you a cookie. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Van Tuyl" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 2:41 PM Subject: IBM Calculator give away > If anyone is interested in a free commemorative IBM ASCI > White Calculator, go to: > > http://www.rs6000.ibm.com/hardware/largescale/supercomputers/asciwhite/conta ct.html > > Bill > > Oh and I won't ask for a even a nickel for this info. > Course if you want to send goodies...... ;~) > > From cph Wed Oct 4 12:51:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA27495 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:51:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21465; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:44:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20734; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20719; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (198.144.205.90 -> m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:44:52 -0400 Received: from 172.16.74.1 by NewPad ([172.16.74.1] running VPOP3) with ESMTP; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:44:49 -0700 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Mike Ford" , Subject: Backup programs Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:44:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.4.0b - Registered List-Unsubscribe: > Anybody have suggestions for backup software to use with a USB burner? Retrospect is a very nice backup program--the only one I've seen that does incremental backups the right way, backing up whatever isn't on the tape (or CD-R, etc.). The "incremental" backup in most PC backup programs work off the "archive" flag that the operating system keeps for each file on disk. That's completely wrong--for example, it doesn't let you make incremental backups onto two different tapes, as Retrospect does. The only thing is I didn't see your Sony drive listed on the Retrospect site: http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=cdr_info I suppose you could download Retrospect and try it out: http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=download_demo Retrospect's user interface is a little odd--it's a Mac program (really the industry standard for the Mac), and the authors ported it to Windows with the philosophy that they wanted to keep it comfortable and familiar for their Mac users. That was a bit of a mistake, but it's a good program nonetheless--and like I said, the only one I've seen that gets incremental backups right. -Mike From cph Wed Oct 4 13:02:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA27606 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:02:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23206; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:57:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22687; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22672; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (198.144.205.90 -> m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:57:37 -0400 Received: from 172.16.74.1 by NewPad ([172.16.74.1] running VPOP3) with ESMTP; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:57:32 -0700 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Jeffrey Baker" , Subject: RE: Question about format of list on 770z Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:57:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002f01c02d6f$4d3606e0$0200a8c0@laptop> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.4.0b - Registered List-Unsubscribe: > Perhaps there is a setting I don't know about, but using Outlook on a 770z, > this list appears as icons crowded together too closely for me to be able to > read the title of each attachment properly. Does anyone know the fix for > this? Thanks -- Jeff You receive the list in digest form like I do, is that right? One thing you can do: Instead of opening the list digest in a separate window, use Outlook's preview pane. If it's not turned on, use the View/Preview Pane menu item to turn it on. When the list digest is in the preview pane, there is a yellow paper clip in the top right corner of the pane. Click on that and you'll get a menu with the full titles (or at least more of the titles) of the individual messages. Unfortunately, this doesn't give you an easy way to browse through a large number of the messages in the list digest. You have to select them from the menu one by one, clicking the paperclip--and losing track of where you were in the menu!--each time. If you're just interested in a topic or two, it works OK. -Mike From cph Wed Oct 4 13:12:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA27709 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:12:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24715; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:07:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24156; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls20.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24143; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls20.mediaone.net (24.147.1.156 -> chmls20.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:07:09 -0400 Received: from laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls20.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA21084 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:07:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: RE: Question about format of list on 770z Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:07:23 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c02e25$906d8c60$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks very much for this reply, Mike. I never even saw that yellow paper clip before, though I do use the preview pane routinely. You're right that it doesn't allow simple scrolling, but it certainly does give me the message titles unclipped, and also the messages open faster than opening each in full pane. Best, Jeff > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Geary [mailto:Mike@Geary.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 12:58 PM >To: Jeffrey Baker; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: RE: Question about format of list on 770z > >> Perhaps there is a setting I don't know about, but using Outlook on a >770z, >> this list appears as icons crowded together too closely for me to be able >to >> read the title of each attachment properly. Does anyone know the fix for >> this? Thanks -- Jeff > >You receive the list in digest form like I do, is that right? > >One thing you can do: Instead of opening the list digest in a separate >window, use Outlook's preview pane. If it's not turned on, use the >View/Preview Pane menu item to turn it on. When the list digest is in the >preview pane, there is a yellow paper clip in the top right corner of the >pane. Click on that and you'll get a menu with the full titles (or at least >more of the titles) of the individual messages. > >Unfortunately, this doesn't give you an easy way to browse through a large >number of the messages in the list digest. You have to select them from the >menu one by one, clicking the paperclip--and losing track of where you were >in the menu!--each time. > >If you're just interested in a topic or two, it works OK. > >-Mike > From cph Wed Oct 4 17:34:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA30890 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:34:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24562; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:26:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24125; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24054; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:26:01 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-113.gate.net [207.36.212.113]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA63158; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 01:12:02 -0400 Message-ID: <39DABC51.299E708C@gate.net> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 01:12:49 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Will Lau CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: all 12mm and 9mm turn at 4200RPM, only the 32gig turns at 5400RPM.. a larger data buffer would mean faster throughput overall.. Will Lau wrote: > Are these new IBM drives any faster than say my 12Gig Travelstar? > Or the 18-20 Gig HDDs? > > Any real world increase in speed? -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Wed Oct 4 18:18:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA31350 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:18:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27789; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:09:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27516; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mailserver249 (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27480; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mailserver249 (12.30.178.249 -> mailserver249.halfpricehosting.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:09:20 -0400 Received: from snapper3 [203.167.198.82] by Mailserver249 with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.03) id AC281E0E017A; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:16:08 -0400 From: "Will Lau" To: "I Lee Hetherington" , "Will Lau" Cc: , Subject: RE: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:09:01 +1300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39D9D3A2.9E4C58DB@sls.lcs.mit.edu> List-Unsubscribe: Thank You! That was just the answer I was looking for. It's time for me to get a bigger drive. Size does matter :) > -----Original Message----- > From: I Lee Hetherington [mailto:ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2000 1:40 a.m. > To: Will Lau > Cc: emanuel@brown.org; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives > > > Will Lau wrote: > > > If I pack in 30gigs onto a disk instead of 12Gigs, wont the > 30gig be reading > > more data per revolution of the disk? > > Exactly. If you're talking about streaming speed, then disk > density plays a > direct role since more bits go by the head every revolution. The > only advantage > of faster RPM is more along the lines of seek speed since it may > have to wait > almost an entire revolution (~0.2ms) for desired data to come > back to the head. > > Now that surface density is getting so high, high RPM is less > important. That's > good from a noise and temperature standpoint too. > > --Lee Hetherington > > > From cph Wed Oct 4 18:45:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA31557 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:45:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00119; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:39:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29783; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mailserver249 (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29765; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mailserver249 (12.30.178.249 -> mailserver249.halfpricehosting.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:39:11 -0400 Received: from snapper3 [203.167.198.82] by Mailserver249 with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.03) id A342A63900FE; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:46:26 -0400 From: "Will Lau" To: Subject: Anyone got ghost2001 working on their Win2000 600x Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:39:18 +1300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39DABC51.299E708C@gate.net> List-Unsubscribe: Anyone got Ghost 2001 mirroring their Win 2000 HDDs okay? I cant get mine to work. Partition Magic works if I copy each partition one-by-one but not Ghost. I've got twin 12GB drives running on my 600x. The idea is to mirror the primary drive to the secondary (swappable bay drive) for backup. Ghost mirrors the disks fine but booting into the backup disk I find I cant log into Win2000. I get an endless "boot loop" login prompt -> enter login -> starts clinking away -> login prompt, etc.... FWIW: Partition 1: DOS Partition (Fat16 has Ghost on it) Partition 2: Windows 2000 (NTFS logical) Partition 3: Just some data (NTFS logical) From cph Wed Oct 4 20:44:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA32572 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:44:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10291; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:33:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09544; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-r04.mail.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09529; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:33:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-r04.mail.aol.com (152.163.225.4 -> imo-r04.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:33:30 -0400 Received: from Elipse748@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id o.30.afefd7e (4552) for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <30.afefd7e.270d263e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:33:02 EDT Subject: Keyboard on i1452 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 40 List-Unsubscribe: Using Win98SE recently keyboard began to boot up with the embedded keyboard engaged. I cannot find out how to disable this at bootup. Any help would be appriciated. Ed From cph Wed Oct 4 22:23:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA00991 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:23:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19025; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:18:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18481; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18458; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:18:04 -0400 Received: from thinkpad1 ([12.79.30.26]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001005021802.PLGM5657.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@thinkpad1> for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:18:02 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c02e72$a30dbd70$1a1e4f0c@thinkpad1> From: "Donald Mak" To: References: <39DABC51.299E708C@gate.net> Subject: A series and Lotus Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:19:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Someone fill me in here ... Doesn't the A series come with Lotus Millenium edition? I can't find the CD nor do I see it on the HD..... Thanks From cph Wed Oct 4 22:37:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA01100 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:37:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20545; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:34:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20293; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20279; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:34:20 -0400 Received: from techshop ([64.108.199.121]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20001005023417.CTAT2276.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@techshop> for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:34:17 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c02e74$1c0d6da0$0a01a8c0@techshop> From: "Matt Winston" To: Subject: MS OEM Driver Page Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:29:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C02E4A.32CB0F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C02E4A.32CB0F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Microsoft has a webpage for OEM system builders to find manufacturers = hardware drivers along with updates from MS. Thought this would be handy = for TP forum users who use and install MS products. http://oem.microsoft.com/namerica/504128.asp http://oem.microsoft.com/worldwide/507308.asp Matt Winston mattwinston@ameritech.net ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C02E4A.32CB0F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C02E4A.32CB0F40-- From cph Wed Oct 4 23:10:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA01344 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:10:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23666; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:06:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23418; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23405; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iso.net (64.217.45.201 -> iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:06:11 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial27.fyvl.telxcom.net [64.217.44.155]) by iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29075; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:02:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <39DC0AE3.B4CA6F4D@iso.net> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:00:20 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Winston CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: MS OEM Driver Page References: <002a01c02e74$1c0d6da0$0a01a8c0@techshop> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------263E5C4700ED13A3F0C9B413" List-Unsubscribe: --------------263E5C4700ED13A3F0C9B413 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And the logon would be ?? Bill Matt Winston wrote: > Microsoft has a webpage for OEM system builders to find > manufacturers hardware drivers along with updates from MS. > Thought this would be handy for TP forum users who use and > install MS > products. http://oem.microsoft.com/namerica/504128.asp http://oem.microsoft.com/worldwide/507308.asp Matt > Winstonmattwinston@ameritech.net --------------263E5C4700ED13A3F0C9B413 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And the logon would be ??

Bill

Matt Winston wrote:

Microsoft has a webpage for OEM system builders to find manufacturers hardware drivers along with updates from MS. Thought this would be handy for TP forum users who use and install MS products. http://oem.microsoft.com/namerica/504128.asp http://oem.microsoft.com/worldwide/507308.asp Matt Winstonmattwinston@ameritech.net
--------------263E5C4700ED13A3F0C9B413-- From cph Wed Oct 4 23:22:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA01431 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:22:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24938; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:18:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24679; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24660; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iso.net (64.217.45.201 -> iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:18:15 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial27.fyvl.telxcom.net [64.217.44.155]) by iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29307; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:14:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <39DC0DB8.6D3A9B6D@iso.net> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:12:25 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Winston , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: MS OEM Driver Page References: <002a01c02e74$1c0d6da0$0a01a8c0@techshop> <39DC0AE3.B4CA6F4D@iso.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C67DCDA1E431307FE96A8FB5" List-Unsubscribe: --------------C67DCDA1E431307FE96A8FB5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, never mind I figured it out. Thanks, Bill William Van Tuyl wrote: > And the logon would be ?? > > Bill > > Matt Winston wrote: > >> Microsoft has a webpage for OEM system builders to find >> manufacturers hardware drivers along with updates from >> MS. Thought this would be handy for TP forum users who >> use and install MS products. >> http://oem.microsoft.com/namerica/504128.asp >> http://oem.microsoft.com/worldwide/507308.asp Matt >> Winstonmattwinston@ameritech.net > --------------C67DCDA1E431307FE96A8FB5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, never mind I figured it out.

Thanks, Bill

William Van Tuyl wrote:

And the logon would be ??

Bill

Matt Winston wrote:

Microsoft has a webpage for OEM system builders to find manufacturers hardware drivers along with updates from MS. Thought this would be handy for TP forum users who use and install MS products. http://oem.microsoft.com/namerica/504128.asp http://oem.microsoft.com/worldwide/507308.asp Matt Winstonmattwinston@ameritech.net
--------------C67DCDA1E431307FE96A8FB5-- From cph Thu Oct 5 00:25:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01913 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:25:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29776; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:19:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29434; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9505.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29419; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9505.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.129.135 -> web9505.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:19:12 -0400 Message-ID: <20001005041910.32306.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.221.61.56] by web9505.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 21:19:10 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:19:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Free 10 pack of CD-R's at Officemax ! To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I hope this doesn't start another war but since you guys need CD-R's to burn in your new drives, Office Max has 10 packs of Acer CD-R's on sale for $7.00 with a $7.00 rebate. Hurry, it only runs from Oct. 1 to 6. The rebate coupons can be a little hard to find since they are in the September rebate booklet, not the current one for October. Anyone wanting the $7.00 coupon may have to make the store staff go into the back and get one of the old booklets. ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Oct 5 04:26:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA03147 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 04:26:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12203; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 04:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 04:22:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11741; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 04:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11677; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 04:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (24.30.163.11 -> laxmls02.socal.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 04:22:48 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (sc-24-24-233-88.socal.rr.com [24.24.233.88]) by laxmls02.socal.rr.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e958LmY07115 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:21:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: mikeford@pop-server.socal.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001005041910.32306.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:09:15 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: Free 10 pack of CD-R's at Officemax ! List-Unsubscribe: >I hope this doesn't start another war but since you >guys need CD-R's to burn in your new drives, Office >Max has 10 packs of Acer CD-R's on sale for $7.00 with Outpost.com has 50 pack spindles for $12.99 shipped of Kingston media. Compusa is a buck less, but media is FMI (off brand). What I am waiting on is another deal on CDRW media. I bought a 5 pack at Staples with my CDRW, but it had been opened and only had 4 inside. From cph Thu Oct 5 12:21:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA06187 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:21:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25150; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:14:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24208; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24194; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:14:35 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA08083 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:14:33 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <200010051614.LAA08083@europa.veggie.com> Subject: [TP 560x] USB? Webcam and Linux To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:14:33 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello everyone I recently got a Philips Vesta Pro USB webcam. I was wondering if anyone has gotten USB work with their TP, in particular with the TP560 under Linux? For Linux I have a 2.2 kernel and got the USB patch/backport setup, but it's not finding the module nor detecting the USB port at bootup. I can dig around some more, but it would encourage me to know that this is even possible and that someone got this to work on this system. Esmail -- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak "Half of the American people never read a newspaper. Half never vote for President. One hopes it is the same half." -- Gore Vidal From cph Thu Oct 5 12:23:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA06257 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:23:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25445; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:18:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25067; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25050; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:18:36 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA08099 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:18:35 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <200010051618.LAA08099@europa.veggie.com> Subject: [TP560x] Win95->Win98? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:18:35 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I know, I know, everyone is probably running Win2K by now as I'm getting around to moving up to Win98 .. :-) [In my defense I have to say that 99% of the time I run Linux - and I keep that fairly current] I recently got a USB webcam that requires I run Win98 instead of the Win95 that originally came with my TP560x. It seems to me that a few years back when people were doing the upgrade there were special things to be concerned about? Or am I not remembering correctly? Could I take a generic Win98 distribution (say, the same that came with my Dell desktop) and install it without trouble? Or am I asking for trouble? Esmail -- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak "Half of the American people never read a newspaper. Half never vote for President. One hopes it is the same half." -- Gore Vidal From cph Thu Oct 5 15:27:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA08056 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:27:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14679; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:21:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14255; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14222; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:21:23 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a1.pm3-16.theriver.com [208.164.96.113]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783BF26106; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:19:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39DCD43E.EB29A745@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:19:26 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Esmail Bonakdarian Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560x] Win95->Win98? References: <200010051618.LAA08099@europa.veggie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: WebCam's work best with Windows 98 SE or preferably Windows ME whenever USB is concerned... although if you can find the very latest Windows 95, sometimes called 95 2.5 or 95C, you should be able to make it work... It came with the very last production runs of machines such as Gateway and Dell before the first Windows 98 came out. You will probably experience a lot of problems with the Dell version of windows 98 because most of the Dell discs were images rather than installation disks and the Dell will not agree with the IBM configurations... Also, most of the 560's were configured only for Windows 95. You will need to do a lot of downloading of files from the IBM matrices to update your computer to use Windows 98... and some of your thinkpad stuff may not work properly then... Some people have problems with hibernation, suspend, screen clarity, and other functions. As long as you have time to deal with quite a bit of aggravation, it will eventually work out... but probably not with the Dell... borrow a full install 98 SE or ME, make backups, reformat your disk and re-install. This will give you the best chance at low aggravation with the webcam... and probably your Thinkpad as well. From cph Thu Oct 5 16:53:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA09009 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:53:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24832; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:44:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23986; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23922; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (216.101.175.230 -> smtp.innovisions.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:44:30 -0400 Received: by mailsf.innoventry.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4HLS10SG>; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:40:17 -0700 Message-ID: <818E2295B394D211BF1B0008C709553E021300E7@mailsf.innoventry.com> From: Mitchell Yee To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: TP600X from IBM Canada Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:40:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone remember this: IBM CANADA 800-465-7748 $2999 CAN plus taxes 1800 available Dialing this number produces just a busy signal. Has anyone tried getting one of these? thanks, Mitchell From cph Thu Oct 5 17:45:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA09548 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:45:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01741; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:41:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01437; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01411; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:41:33 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-22.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.22]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e95LfKB21120; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:41:20 -0700 Message-ID: <39DCF572.B193D6FF@mail.orion.org> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:41:06 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Esmail Bonakdarian CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560x] Win95->Win98? References: <200010051618.LAA08099@europa.veggie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > > Could I take a generic Win98 distribution (say, the same that came > with my Dell desktop) and install it without trouble? Or am I asking > for trouble? I got my 560X with a blank hard drive. I didn't have any trouble at all installing Win98. I think I might have had video trouble, but installing the video drivers from the IBM website fixed it. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Thu Oct 5 17:46:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA09555 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:46:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01760; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:41:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01363; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01337; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.23.17 -> wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:41:02 -0400 Received: (qmail 20352 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2000 21:41:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20001005214101.20351.qmail@wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.17 by wwcst272 for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Thu Oct 5 21:41:01 GMT 2000 Date: 5 Oct 00 16:41:01 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Mitchell Yee , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: TP600X from IBM Canada X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id RAA09556 That's probably a Canada-specific 800 number. Try their regular toll phone number at (1) 905 316 5000 (according to IBM web site). Rob Mitchell Yee wrote: > Does anyone remember this: > > IBM CANADA > 800-465-7748 > > $2999 CAN plus taxes > 1800 available > > Dialing this number produces just a busy signal. Has > anyone tried getting one of these? > > thanks, > Mitchell ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Thu Oct 5 17:54:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA09610 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:54:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03111; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:48:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02647; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02618; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (216.101.175.230 -> smtp.innovisions.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:48:24 -0400 Received: by mailsf.innoventry.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4HLS104T>; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:44:07 -0700 Message-ID: <818E2295B394D211BF1B0008C709553E021300EA@mailsf.innoventry.com> From: Mitchell Yee To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: TP600X from IBM Canada Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:44:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Well, it looks like the 2645-9FU deal is gone. Darn. Mitchell From cph Thu Oct 5 19:24:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA10480 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:24:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12207; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:20:22 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11818; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:20:22 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id TAA05442 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09637; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:55:59 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUZJLHDQF48WZ1M7@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:59:31 CST Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:59:30 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: hot deals (off topic) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: >From all these years this is my first spam like msg to this wonderful list. I am sorry. 1) I have decided not to post any more hot deals to this news list to avoid any further complications 2) i am forming a new mailing list for daily hot deals. 3) i am inviting interested members from this list to join my new mailing list entitles "jonsbargains" :) 4) please reply to me with your email address if you are interested to be on this list. RIght now i am not thinking of opening up the mailing list to non thinkpad members. 5) postings on this list will deal with not just tech stuff but it will include everything under the sun ! eg, dvd, 2 way radio ...etc. THank you & hope to catch you on the first posting. sorry for the off topic. sincerely, jon From cph Thu Oct 5 19:54:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA10742 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:54:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15560; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:48:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15211; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15183; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.102 -> pimout3-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:48:36 -0400 Received: from CHUCK (adsl-63-206-213-20.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.213.20]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e95NmYj23186 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:48:34 -0400 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:48:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Changed drive letters after new drive Reply-to: chuck@ccncn.org Message-ID: <39DCB0D6.13210.40062@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Got the UltraSlimBay Hard drive adapter from my 600E and a disk drive. Works like a charm. Except -- both DOS and Windows have made the drive in the adapter drive D. But as you may know, the 600E has a drive that has two partitiions, C & D. How do I get my "original" D drive back, and move the new drive to E? Trying to assign device letters trhough Device Mgr doesn't work. TIA From cph Thu Oct 5 20:06:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA10827 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:06:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16948; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:03:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16700; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16686; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:03:18 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA00817; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:03:12 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001201c02f28$d0dfd060$818d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , References: <39DCB0D6.13210.40062@localhost> Subject: Re: Changed drive letters after new drive Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:03:08 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I think this might be impossible for non-removable drives. For permanent drives, Windows follows the DOS convention of assigning drive letters in order of primary partitions on all installed fixed drives, then in order of secondary partitions on fixed drives in an order following that of the primaries. It is just possible that an aftermarket partition program can make changes in this, but I've never seen it. Alternately, maybe you can convince your system that the Ultraslim adapter is a removable drive (by checking the 'removable' box in system/device menu/drives/properties), and then assign it a drive letter. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Blaisdell" Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 1:48 PM Subject: Changed drive letters after new drive > Got the UltraSlimBay Hard drive adapter from my 600E and a disk > drive. Works like a charm. Except -- both DOS and Windows have > made the drive in the adapter drive D. > > But as you may know, the 600E has a drive that has two partitiions, > C & D. How do I get my "original" D drive back, and move the new > drive to E? > > Trying to assign device letters trhough Device Mgr doesn't work. > > TIA > From cph Thu Oct 5 20:09:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA10842 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:09:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17595; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:05:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17191; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17157; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:05:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:05:49 -0400 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.57]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001006000544.RWEU23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:05:44 +0000 Received: from [24.189.193.217] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 00:05:43 +0000 To: chuck@ccncn.org Cc: "Chuck Blaisdell" , Subject: Re: Changed drive letters after new drive Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 00:05:43 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: scosgt@att.net Message-Id: <20001006000544.RWEU23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: You can try making the second an extended partition, with a logical drive letter, that can sometimes drop it down lower. The only other thing would be to use "magic mover" from Partition Magic to move your D apps over to the other drive. > Got the UltraSlimBay Hard drive adapter from my 600E and a disk > drive. Works like a charm. Except -- both DOS and Windows have > made the drive in the adapter drive D. > > But as you may know, the 600E has a drive that has two partitiions, > C & D. How do I get my "original" D drive back, and move the new > drive to E? > > Trying to assign device letters trhough Device Mgr doesn't work. > > TIA From cph Thu Oct 5 20:09:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA10847 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:09:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17506; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:05:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17015; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16933; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010060005.UAA16933@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:05:11 -0400 Received: from slip-32-101-27-135.ma.us.prserv.net ([32.101.27.135]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000100600045823900icqa7e>; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:04:59 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Mitchell Yee" Date: Thu, 05 Oct 00 20:04:56 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP600X from IBM Canada List-Unsubscribe: Not available from USA. I bought 600E from Western Computer. They also have 600X Jeffrey Race On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:40:12 -0700, Mitchell Yee wrote: >Does anyone remember this: > >IBM CANADA >800-465-7748 > >$2999 CAN plus taxes >1800 available > >Dialing this number produces just a busy signal. Has >anyone tried getting one of these? > >thanks, >Mitchell From cph Thu Oct 5 21:02:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA11279 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:02:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23642; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:54:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22764; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22685; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.101 -> pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:54:17 -0400 Received: from CHUCK (adsl-63-206-213-20.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.213.20]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e960sFg25154 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:54:15 -0400 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:54:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Changed drive letters after new drive Reply-to: chuck@ccncn.org Message-ID: <39DCC03A.30400.8CB37@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <001201c02f28$d0dfd060$818d273f@math.hawaii.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: On 5 Oct 2000, at 14:03, David Ross wrote: > I think this might be impossible for non-removable drives. For permanent > drives, Windows > follows the DOS convention of assigning drive letters in order of primary > partitions on all installed fixed > drives, then in order of secondary partitions on fixed drives in an order > following that of the primaries. Changing the drive via fdisk to an extended drive instead of primary did the trick. Thanks. From cph Thu Oct 5 21:09:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA11332 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:09:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24679; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:06:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24410; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24366; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:06:34 -0400 Received: from ATREYU ([64.108.13.2]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with ESMTP id <20001006010631.CKEW3946.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@ATREYU> for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:06:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:06:30 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <11942271817.20001005200630@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Changed drive letters after new drive In-reply-To: <39DCB0D6.13210.40062@localhost> References: <39DCB0D6.13210.40062@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thursday, October 05, 2000, 6:48:22 PM, Chuck wrote: > Got the UltraSlimBay Hard drive adapter from my 600E and a disk > drive. Works like a charm. Except -- both DOS and Windows have > made the drive in the adapter drive D. DOS / Windows assign letters in their own way to hard drive partitions. C: is the primary partition on your boot drive. Next priority for "low" letters is primary partitions on other drives. After that, we come to extended partitions on your boot drive. Then, you get to extended partitions on other drives. After all that comes various removable drives. BTW, it's a good idea to explicitly set your removable drives like JAZ, SyJet, CD-ROM, etc. to letters near the end of the alphabet so they don't move around when you add drives and / or partitions. This should ideally be done *immediately* after installing the OS, since many programs think that just because they were installed from a CD-ROM drive at "E:" that your one and only CD-ROM drive must *still* be at "E:" six months and a new hard drive later. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. iQA/AwUBOd0lcm8pw+2/9pUJEQI70ACg2gLbM0v/JeZUlomXfK7aXvPH6E4AoIF9 VmkZ65cYNdMgoVVAR6GzG6Fe =5mn0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Thu Oct 5 21:11:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA11356 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:11:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25108; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:08:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24848; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24810; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:08:50 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA01131 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:08:46 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <004e01c02f31$f9957b00$818d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: <39DCC03A.30400.8CB37@localhost> Subject: Re: Changed drive letters after new drive Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:08:43 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > Changing the drive via fdisk to an extended drive instead of primary > did the trick. Perfect solution, exploiting the order-of-assignation convention. This is a trick worth remembering! - David R. From cph Thu Oct 5 21:16:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA11381 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:16:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25842; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:12:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25558; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25493; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:12:17 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a34.pm3-16.theriver.com [208.164.96.146]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49CA25CCF; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:10:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39DD268F.D66108F8@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:10:39 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , Mitchell Yee Subject: Re: TP600X from IBM Canada References: <200010060005.UAA16933@cs.utk.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Do you have a city or a phone number for Western Computer? From cph Thu Oct 5 21:27:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA11474 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:27:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26980; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:19:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26633; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26590; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:18:49 -0400 Received: from 209-122-243-16.s16.tnt1.hlb.nj.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.243.16] helo=ppro) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13hM9l-0005XE-00; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 21:18:38 -0400 Received: by ppro (VPOP3) with SMTP; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:18:28 -0400 Message-ID: <024301c02f33$443a1a70$0d00a8c0@dec5200> From: "R Briganti" To: , References: <39DCB0D6.13210.40062@localhost> Subject: Re: Changed drive letters after new drive Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:17:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0b - Registered to: Belle Mead Claims List-Unsubscribe: Switch to Windows 2000 or NT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 19:48 Subject: Changed drive letters after new drive > Got the UltraSlimBay Hard drive adapter from my 600E and a disk > drive. Works like a charm. Except -- both DOS and Windows have > made the drive in the adapter drive D. > > But as you may know, the 600E has a drive that has two partitiions, > C & D. How do I get my "original" D drive back, and move the new > drive to E? > > Trying to assign device letters trhough Device Mgr doesn't work. > > TIA > From cph Thu Oct 5 21:36:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA11527 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:36:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28891; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:31:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28668; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28654; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:31:39 -0400 Received: from 209-122-243-16.s16.tnt1.hlb.nj.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.243.16] helo=ppro) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13hMML-0007bm-00; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 21:31:38 -0400 Received: by ppro (VPOP3) with SMTP; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:30:25 -0400 Message-ID: <025001c02f34$efb1ddb0$0d00a8c0@dec5200> From: "R Briganti" To: "Mitchell Yee" , References: <818E2295B394D211BF1B0008C709553E021300E7@mailsf.innoventry.com> Subject: Re: TP600X from IBM Canada Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:29:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0b - Registered to: Belle Mead Claims List-Unsubscribe: I had to call a store in Toronto and have it picked up in Canada. The telephone number did not work in the US nor would IBM ship the unit to the US. I had it shipped by a friend to me in the US. Then US Customs held the package because of the carrying case included with the ThinkPad. After filing a few declarations, the shipment was finally delivered. A great machine and the price was worth the wait. BUT I doubt that any are left. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitchell Yee" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 16:40 Subject: TP600X from IBM Canada > Does anyone remember this: > > IBM CANADA > 800-465-7748 > > $2999 CAN plus taxes > 1800 available > > Dialing this number produces just a busy signal. Has > anyone tried getting one of these? > > thanks, > Mitchell > From cph Thu Oct 5 23:25:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA12197 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:25:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09349; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:20:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08932; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08911; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:20:28 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a40.pm3-24.theriver.com [206.102.192.56]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407CF26006; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:19:20 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <39DD45D6.443461B7@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 20:24:06 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bay Cc: Esmail Bonakdarian , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560x] Win95->Win98? References: <200010051618.LAA08099@europa.veggie.com> <39DCD43E.EB29A745@theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ray Bay wrote: > > WebCam's work best with Windows 98 SE or preferably Windows ME > whenever USB is concerned... although if you can find the very latest > Windows 95, sometimes called 95 2.5 or 95C, you should be able to > make it work... It came with the very last production runs of machines > such as Gateway and Dell before the first Windows 98 came out. > > You will probably experience a lot of problems with the Dell version > of windows 98 because most of the Dell discs were images rather than > installation disks and the Dell will not agree with the IBM > configurations... > Don't tell my system that, as Dell shipped a full Windows 98 upgrade to me. I loaded it onto a 760ED for testing and it worked just fine. However, the 'bloated' size of the OS and some anomolies that cropped up after a short testing period, lead me to load it onto the Dell box and reload the Thinkpads disk. > Also, most of the 560's were configured only for Windows 95. You will > need to do a lot of downloading of files from the IBM matrices to > update your computer to use Windows 98... and some of your thinkpad > stuff may not work properly then... Some people have problems with > hibernation, suspend, screen clarity, and other functions. Actually, the upgrade may be as simple as downloading one disk after Windows95 is installed. This is all I had to do with the 760ED which is 'older' than the 560 series of machines. > > As long as you have time to deal with quite a bit of aggravation, it > will eventually work out... but probably not with the Dell... borrow a > full install 98 SE or ME, make backups, reformat your disk and > re-install. This will give you the best chance at low aggravation with > the webcam... and probably your Thinkpad as well. I agree with the full install, but make sure that you 'backup' all of your data. I found that I could reload several programs, but they did not want to reinstall. I ran my backup and restored the Registry only and then ran the install. All was well when I finished. James Mckenzie From cph Fri Oct 6 00:35:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA12656 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:35:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14521; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:31:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14218; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14192; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:31:33 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-291.gate.net [199.227.173.37]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13906; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:31:28 -0400 Message-ID: <39DD55CF.72A5F40@gate.net> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 00:32:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Will Lau CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Anyone got ghost2001 working on their Win2000 600x References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ghost has produced some rather strange results for me, lately.. esp. on a HDD with WinME and W2k.. Will Lau wrote: > Anyone got Ghost 2001 mirroring their Win 2000 HDDs okay? > > I cant get mine to work. Partition Magic works if I copy each partition > one-by-one but not Ghost. > > I've got twin 12GB drives running on my 600x. The idea is to mirror the > primary drive to the secondary (swappable bay drive) for backup. > > Ghost mirrors the disks fine but booting into the backup disk I find I cant > log into Win2000. I get an endless "boot loop" login prompt -> enter > login -> starts clinking away -> login prompt, etc.... > > FWIW: > > Partition 1: DOS Partition (Fat16 has Ghost on it) > Partition 2: Windows 2000 (NTFS logical) > Partition 3: Just some data (NTFS logical) -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Oct 6 00:37:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA12675 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:37:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14815; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:34:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14472; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14456; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:34:29 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-291.gate.net [199.227.173.37]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28978; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:34:13 -0400 Message-ID: <39DD5674.2C63AD1A@gate.net> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 00:35:00 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Will Lau CC: I Lee Hetherington , emanuel@brown.org, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well.. ok.. but we shall all learn more since the A21p is shipping.. well at least i have 5 coming on friday and hassan got two today.. he said, on the thinkpads open forum, that the 32gig appears more "zippy" and the display was, once again, super.. Will Lau wrote: > Thank You! > > That was just the answer I was looking for. It's time for me to get a bigger > drive. > > Size does matter :) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: I Lee Hetherington [mailto:ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2000 1:40 a.m. > > To: Will Lau > > Cc: emanuel@brown.org; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives > > > > > > Will Lau wrote: > > > > > If I pack in 30gigs onto a disk instead of 12Gigs, wont the > > 30gig be reading > > > more data per revolution of the disk? > > > > Exactly. If you're talking about streaming speed, then disk > > density plays a > > direct role since more bits go by the head every revolution. The > > only advantage > > of faster RPM is more along the lines of seek speed since it may > > have to wait > > almost an entire revolution (~0.2ms) for desired data to come > > back to the head. > > > > Now that surface density is getting so high, high RPM is less > > important. That's > > good from a noise and temperature standpoint too. > > > > --Lee Hetherington > > > > > > -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Oct 6 00:48:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA12725 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:48:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15870; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:45:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15605; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15591; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:45:14 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-291.gate.net [199.227.173.37]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14728; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:45:12 -0400 Message-ID: <39DD5907.377DD736@gate.net> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 00:45:59 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Mak CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A series and Lotus References: <39DABC51.299E708C@gate.net> <000901c02e72$a30dbd70$1a1e4f0c@thinkpad1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: you get a certificate to send for it.. Donald Mak wrote: > Someone fill me in here ... > > Doesn't the A series come with Lotus Millenium edition? I can't find the CD > nor do I see it on the HD..... > > Thanks -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Oct 6 00:49:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA12730 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:49:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16229; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:46:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15744; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15724; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:46:37 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA09492; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:46:34 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <200010060446.XAA09492@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: [TP560x] Win95->Win98? To: slin01@mail.orion.org (Shawn Lin) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:46:34 -0500 (GMT) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu (Esmail Bonakdarian), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <39DCF572.B193D6FF@mail.orion.org> from "Shawn Lin" at Oct 05, 2000 04:41:06 PM Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi Shawn, > I got my 560X with a blank hard drive. Did you request it that way? Mine came preinstalled with Windows 95 on two partitions. (Blew one of them way and installed Linux :-) > I didn't have any trouble at all installing Win98. I think I might > have had video trouble, but installing the video drivers from the > IBM website fixed it. Where did you get your Win98? From IBM? Was it tailored to the Thinkpad? I'm pretty sure I have some Win98 CD around, probably either Gateway or Dell and might give that a try. Esmail -- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak "Half of the American people never read a newspaper. Half never vote for President. One hopes it is the same half." -- Gore Vidal From cph Fri Oct 6 00:51:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA12747 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:51:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17016; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:48:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16397; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16382; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:48:34 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-291.gate.net [199.227.173.37]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20210; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:48:27 -0400 Message-ID: <39DD59CA.C7DBB4D6@gate.net> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 00:49:14 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chuck@ccncn.org CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Changed drive letters after new drive References: <39DCB0D6.13210.40062@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: don't have a bootable 2nd HDD.. if DOS sees a second HDD that is bootable, it will assign it to "D" and the former "D" will become "E".. thas one reason i use one bic "C" drive ... :-) Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > Got the UltraSlimBay Hard drive adapter from my 600E and a disk > drive. Works like a charm. Except -- both DOS and Windows have > made the drive in the adapter drive D. > > But as you may know, the 600E has a drive that has two partitiions, > C & D. How do I get my "original" D drive back, and move the new > drive to E? > > Trying to assign device letters trhough Device Mgr doesn't work. > > TIA -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Oct 6 00:55:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA12764 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:55:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17878; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:52:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17642; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17626; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:52:44 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-248.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.248]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e964qdB14777; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:52:39 -0700 Message-ID: <39DD5A8E.48F493F5@mail.orion.org> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 23:52:30 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Esmail Bonakdarian CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560x] Win95->Win98? References: <200010060446.XAA09492@europa.veggie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > > > I got my 560X with a blank hard drive. > > Did you request it that way? Mine came preinstalled with Windows 95 on > two partitions. (Blew one of them way and installed Linux :-) No, it was an "Ebay Special". I guess it was easier for the seller to reformat the hard drive than to restore it to original condition. > > I didn't have any trouble at all installing Win98. I think I might > > have had video trouble, but installing the video drivers from the > > IBM website fixed it. > > Where did you get your Win98? From IBM? Was it tailored to the > Thinkpad? I'm pretty sure I have some Win98 CD around, probably either > Gateway or Dell and might give that a try. It's just the standard Microsoft Win98 Full Retail edition that I've had forever. The video trouble I had was minor... I think it picked "SVGA Display" or something like that and would only display 16-colors in 640x480 mode. After installing the video drivers from the IBM website, all was well. I also went ahead and installed ThinkPad Personalization/Utility files and all that other stuff (downloaded from the website). No trouble at all. I haven't tried the USB port yet, but no yellow exclamations so I believe all should be well. Good luck! Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Fri Oct 6 00:57:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA12768 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:57:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18341; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:54:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18007; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17994; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:54:42 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA09521; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:54:40 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <200010060454.XAA09521@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: [TP560x] Win95->Win98? To: slin01@mail.orion.org (Shawn Lin) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:54:39 -0500 (GMT) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu (Esmail Bonakdarian), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <39DD5A8E.48F493F5@mail.orion.org> from "Shawn Lin" at Oct 05, 2000 11:52:30 PM Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Shawn Lin writes: > > > Where did you get your Win98? From IBM? Was it tailored to the > > Thinkpad? I'm pretty sure I have some Win98 CD around, probably either > > Gateway or Dell and might give that a try. > > It's just the standard Microsoft Win98 Full Retail edition that I've had > forever. > The video trouble I had was minor... I think it picked "SVGA Display" or > something like that and would only display 16-colors in 640x480 mode. > After installing the video drivers from the IBM website, all was well. > I also went ahead and installed ThinkPad Personalization/Utility files > and all that other stuff (downloaded from the website). No trouble at > all. I haven't tried the USB port yet, but no yellow exclamations so I > believe all should be well. Well, that sounds encouraging, thanks Shawn, Esmail -- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak "Half of the American people never read a newspaper. Half never vote for President. One hopes it is the same half." -- Gore Vidal From cph Fri Oct 6 11:02:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA16254 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:02:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08002; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 10:56:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07274; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 10:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07247; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 10:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 10:56:50 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA10162; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:56:42 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <200010061456.JAA10162@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: [TP560x] Win95->Win98? To: canyonlands@theriver.com (Ray Bay) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:56:41 -0500 (GMT) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu (Esmail Bonakdarian), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <39DCD43E.EB29A745@theriver.com> from "Ray Bay" at Oct 05, 2000 12:19:26 PM Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi Ray, > WebCam's work best with Windows 98 SE or preferably Windows ME > whenever USB is concerned... although if you can find the very latest > Windows 95, sometimes called 95 2.5 or 95C, you should be able to > make it work... It came with the very last production runs of machines > such as Gateway and Dell before the first Windows 98 came out. > > You will probably experience a lot of problems with the Dell version > of windows 98 because most of the Dell discs were images rather than > installation disks and the Dell will not agree with the IBM > configurations... I'll have to check, thanks for the head's up. > Also, most of the 560's were configured only for Windows 95. You will > need to do a lot of downloading of files from the IBM matrices to > update your computer to use Windows 98... and some of your thinkpad > stuff may not work properly then... Some people have problems with > hibernation, suspend, screen clarity, and other functions. > > As long as you have time to deal with quite a bit of aggravation, it > will eventually work out... but probably not with the Dell... borrow a > full install 98 SE or ME, make backups, reformat your disk and > re-install. This will give you the best chance at low aggravation with > the webcam... and probably your Thinkpad as well. Oi vey .. I was afraid of that. I really don't have a lot of time, all I want is to get this little USB camera to work without a lot of hassle. The system detects it, but the software that came with the camera won't install since it doesn't detect Win98. I'm looking around on the net to see if there are any sort of drivers for the Philips Vesta Pro. My first choice would be to leave Win95 on there as it is. I don't use Windows very much at all, 99% of the time is in Linux. The only reason I'd be using it any more would be if I could get this camera to work on the labtop. I guess I'm a bit puzzled why Win95 should not be able to support this device, and if it does, why the software is limited to Win98 (and apparently only that - seems I read that it won't install on Win2K either :-) I may end up waiting. The consensus seems to be that a basic Windows 98 disk should work, i.e., that there isn't anything too proprietory about the TP (other than some drivers to be downloaded). That is good news. Thanks, Esmail -- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak "Half of the American people never read a newspaper. Half never vote for President. One hopes it is the same half." -- Gore Vidal From cph Fri Oct 6 11:48:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA16701 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:48:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14737; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:44:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14277; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-r09.mail.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14260; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:44:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-r09.mail.aol.com (152.163.225.9 -> imo-r09.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:44:28 -0400 Received: from Law116@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id o.7e.b319085 (16931) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7e.b319085.270f4d55@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:44:21 EDT Subject: unsubscribe To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 33 List-Unsubscribe: From cph Fri Oct 6 12:09:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA16904 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:09:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17659; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:04:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17268; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17253; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:04:50 -0400 Received: from techshop ([64.108.209.46]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20001006160442.EOUR3946.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@techshop>; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:04:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c02fae$ae106960$0a01a8c0@techshop> From: "Matt Winston" To: , "turgut kalfaoglu" References: <200010061508.SAA00443@home.egenet.com.tr> Subject: Re: MS OEM Driver Page-Log On Info Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:01:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Microsoft OEM logon and password are needed. Free sign up from Microsoft. http://www.microsoft.com/directaccess/partnering/microsoft/sysbuilder/ to sign up and get access to the site. Forgot to add this link on the original post. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "Matt Winston" Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 10:09 AM Subject: Re: MS OEM Driver Page > On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:29:38 -0500, Matt Winston wrote: > > >Microsoft has a webpage for OEM system builders to find manufacturers hardware drivers along with updates from MS. Thought this would be handy for TP > forum users who use and install MS products. > > > >http://oem.microsoft.com/namerica/504128.asp > > > >http://oem.microsoft.com/worldwide/507308.asp > > > >Matt Winston > >mattwinston@ameritech.net > > > > Many thanks, but not much of use without userid and password.. > -turgut > > > ------------ > EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr > Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr > > > From cph Fri Oct 6 13:03:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA17355 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:03:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24612; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:59:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24201; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.aros.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24186; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:58:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.aros.net (207.173.16.20 -> mail.aros.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:58:55 -0400 Received: from kalynda (dm6-26.slc.aros.net [207.173.24.26]) by mail.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA83317 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 10:58:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200010061658.KAA83317@mail.aros.net> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 10:00:40 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: OS/2 and MWave X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: Greetings, Yesterday I installed Warp4 on my 760E. I had my pile of diskettes, and everything went pretty well. I know OS/2 in and out, so the few bumps were no problem. As an aside, I realized that since it seldom digests itself, I don' t install Warp very often, in fact it had been years :) but it all looked familiar and its up and running with Fixpak14 and the latest Java. I didn't install any multimedia, as the readme files said. I installed the MWave stuff, and got no error messages, but there is no modem there. The hardware manager says that the modem has com2, but when I open the MWave folder and run it, I get error message 000001 and a note that the file something.c caused an error on line 258. Big help The help file says that if I get this message, to contact service. Ha! I liked that one. All the other error messages give help, but 00001 says I am hose There was a series of diskettes for the midi stuff that I loaded, then the MWave disks (s) I never say any error messages, yet here I am with a laptop and no modem. I had a feeling this would be the more interesting part since I am not all familiar with it. I have read the readme files, and will be reading them again and again, but perhaps someone has some words of wisdom, ideas, suggestions, or SWAGs that I could try? Any thoughts on whether it might be the fixpak? I am going back to square one, but since I never saw an error during the install, I am a bit in the dark. Much obliged for any insight. Regards from Utah, John From cph Fri Oct 6 14:32:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA18131 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:32:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06522; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:28:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05991; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05978; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:28:31 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA04058; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:28:25 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000601c02fc3$35d5b4e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Esmail Bonakdarian" , References: <200010061456.JAA10162@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: [TP560x] Win95->Win98? Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:28:22 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > > whenever USB is concerned... although if you can find the very latest > > Windows 95, sometimes called 95 2.5 or 95C, you should be able to > > make it work... [snip] > Oi vey .. I was afraid of that. I really don't have a lot of time, all > I want is to get this little USB camera to work without a lot of > hassle. The system detects it, but the software that came with the > camera won't install since it doesn't detect Win98. While the last versions of W95 did include USB support after a fashion, actual device support is rather spotty. MS included a variety of USB drivers in W98 which (a) won't work under W95, and (b) make it much easier to write software. As a result, virtually all USB hardware produced after the release of W98 requires these drivers. I have a W95 OSR2 desktop with USB ports which I had to update to include USB support so that the AGP video would work. (I've never had a good explanation of why AGP needs this support!) Even though the OS on that machine is now W95 OSR2.5, the one USB device I own - a MS mouse - won't install on it even though the hardware is recognized, because of the absence of the abovementioned drivers. I haven't yet added USB support to my 560X. Interestingly, if I disable the USB in the device manager, the video screws up. Anyway, your mileage might vary. There is certainly no harm in bumping W95 up to the latest version. You can find complete W95 upgrade instructions at Ben Jos Walbeehms most excellent site, http://www.walbeehm.com/win95upd.html Let me know if you have trouble finding some of the files mentioned there (eg usbsupp.exe) - David R. From cph Fri Oct 6 14:48:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA18354 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:48:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08260; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:44:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07824; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07809; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:44:01 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA04208 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:43:58 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002001c02fc5$62060b80$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: [TPnone] Cheap pcmcia drives hard drive spotted Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:43:56 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: While looking for something else I ran across the site http://www.softwareandstuff.com/, which has pcmcia hard drives (170, 260, and 520 megs) for as low as $30 (for the 170). I'm no longer looking for one of these, but when I was, a few months back, the eBay prices were usually much higher than this. I don't know anything about this company, etc., etc. I hope I'm not offending too many people by posting this! - David R. (In the absence of Jon W's daily deal...:-) From cph Fri Oct 6 14:49:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA18364 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:49:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08506; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:46:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08192; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08167; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:46:01 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a8.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.216]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858A7260FE; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:43:37 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39DE1D52.F3AF86C1@theriver.com> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 11:43:30 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives References: <39DD5674.2C63AD1A@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Some of the product oriented magazine reviews have been giving the new Thinkpads a lower rating based on comparative speeds in processing and hard drives... The Dell Inspiron and a couple of others get much higher ratings for "price for performance." I consider the Dell a good company, but I think the Inspiron is too fragile. I will stick to IBM because of their comparative ruggedness, their long warrantee, and very long parts availability... but I am curious as to whether you people lucky enough to get the A21 or other "21" machines find their performance up to your expectations. From cph Fri Oct 6 15:23:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA18680 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:23:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12416; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:20:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12034; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11994; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:20:13 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a8.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.216]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8024325F89; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:18:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39DE2596.6C81463F@theriver.com> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:18:46 -0700 From: Ramon Solarzano X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Mckenzie Cc: Esmail Bonakdarian , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560x] Win95->Win98? References: <200010051618.LAA08099@europa.veggie.com> <39DCD43E.EB29A745@theriver.com> <39DD45D6.443461B7@theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Sorry, made a bad assumption. I just upgraded a customer's Dell Inspiron laptop which had an image disk... but I do know (but forgot) that Dell has been shipping a full install version of Windows for years. Microsoft has been trying to get them away from the Full Install for a long time. Don't know Dell's current policy. You should be able to make that disk work just fine, provided you download all the files related to that thinkpad from the IBM download matrices site... Some people still have trouble with hibernation and such... and of course the bloated size of the full install will be a problem... the IBM image disk "Recovery Disk" has eliminated any extra files not used on that Thinkpad... then it adds a lot of other junk you don't need... promotions, ISP's etc. I'm glad to see you could get all you needed with the one download... I think there are six or seven listed... Newest bios is required, video and audio, utilities and such but I guess nobody needs them all. You had less trouble than I did on my 760ED, L, or XL. From cph Fri Oct 6 17:27:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA19746 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:27:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25382; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:22:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24630; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww184.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24614; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww184.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.84 -> ww184.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:22:30 -0400 Received: (qmail 3669 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2000 21:22:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20001006212201.3668.qmail@ww184.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.84 by ww184 for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Fri Oct 6 21:22:01 GMT 2000 Date: 6 Oct 00 16:22:01 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: 600X HD Gone South X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id RAA19747 Help! The hard drive (Hitachi 12GB) on my 600X seems to have gone south. The laptop was sitting on my desk purring along all day (not really being used), and when I went to shut it down it made a strange chit-chit-chit noise each time it tried to access the drive. Of course, every app crashed and the system finally crashed too. When I try to boot I can get a little ways into the Windows 2000 boot process (the first black screen with the white bar at the bottom), then Win2K craps out with an error that it can't access a file (different every time). There is no BIOS test option to run any diagnostics. I called IBM support and they would be willing to ship a replacement if they had one, but they're on backorder. I'm not really so concerned about getting my system back up and running quickly (it's my secondary), but I certainly need some files off the drive. My latest backup is about 3 weeks old, so I've got a bunch of things, but there's always those last few documents and e-mails that I still need. Anyone have ideas to help me access the drive?? I believe I can install it in the UltraBay of my old 770 which I thankfully haven't given back to my company yet. With the way the disk acted though, I don't think I'll be able to read any files long enough to copy them off. Bah! Had a 770 for almost three years with NO PROBLEMS and now I've had the 600X for a month and it dies! ARRRRRGGGGGHHHH! Thanks for any ideas... Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Fri Oct 6 17:57:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA20024 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:57:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29412; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:52:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28870; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28856; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:52:20 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:52:03 -0400 Message-ID: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1F4D@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: "'David Ross '" , "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU '" Subject: RE: [TPnone] Cheap pcmcia drives hard drive spotted Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:52:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: David, Thanks for the info. Let's hope we hear from Jon W. soon. His posts are missed. Aloha Neil -----Original Message----- From: David Ross To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Sent: 10/6/00 2:43 PM Subject: [TPnone] Cheap pcmcia drives hard drive spotted While looking for something else I ran across the site http://www.softwareandstuff.com/, which has pcmcia hard drives (170, 260, and 520 megs) for as low as $30 (for the 170). I'm no longer looking for one of these, but when I was, a few months back, the eBay prices were usually much higher than this. I don't know anything about this company, etc., etc. I hope I'm not offending too many people by posting this! - David R. (In the absence of Jon W's daily deal...:-) From cph Fri Oct 6 17:59:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA20051 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:59:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29996; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:56:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29615; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29547; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:55:49 -0400 Received: by porkchop.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:58:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'Rob Bell'" , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: RE: 600X HD Gone South Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:58:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C02FE0.8BBD5FBC" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C02FE0.8BBD5FBC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rob, The only piece of immediate help I can think of is the possible use of the "Recovery Console" in Windows 2000. For specifics, see the following MS knowledge base article: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q229/7/16.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=g n&FR=0 To summarize what it says, you boot from the W2K CD to a command prompt that can access NTFS, FAT, and FAT32 partitions. To start the Recovery Console, boot from the W2K CD. At the "Welcome to Setup" screen, press F10, or press R to Repair, then C to start the Recovery Console. The nice thing about it is that all of the available commands are built into the interpreter, so nothing on your hard disk is required for operation. What I have done in the past is use the recovery console to "get alive", then go pick the files I want to copy and hope that the drive will cooperate long enough to let me copy the files I need to a floppy. Hope this helps, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bell [mailto:rbell1@netscape.net] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 4:22 PM To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: 600X HD Gone South Help! The hard drive (Hitachi 12GB) on my 600X seems to have gone south. The laptop was sitting on my desk purring along all day (not really being used), and when I went to shut it down it made a strange chit-chit-chit noise each time it tried to access the drive. Of course, every app crashed and the system finally crashed too. When I try to boot I can get a little ways into the Windows 2000 boot process (the first black screen with the white bar at the bottom), then Win2K craps out with an error that it can't access a file (different every time). There is no BIOS test option to run any diagnostics. I called IBM support and they would be willing to ship a replacement if they had one, but they're on backorder. I'm not really so concerned about getting my system back up and running quickly (it's my secondary), but I certainly need some files off the drive. My latest backup is about 3 weeks old, so I've got a bunch of things, but there's always those last few documents and e-mails that I still need. Anyone have ideas to help me access the drive?? I believe I can install it in the UltraBay of my old 770 which I thankfully haven't given back to my company yet. With the way the disk acted though, I don't think I'll be able to read any files long enough to copy them off. Bah! Had a 770 for almost three years with NO PROBLEMS and now I've had the 600X for a month and it dies! ARRRRRGGGGGHHHH! Thanks for any ideas... Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------_=_NextPart_001_01C02FE0.8BBD5FBC Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: 600X HD Gone South

Rob,

The only piece of immediate help I can think of is = the possible use of the "Recovery Console" in Windows 2000. =

For specifics, see the following MS knowledge base = article:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q229/= 7/16.ASP?LN=3DEN-US&SD=3Dgn&FR=3D0

To summarize what it says, you boot from the W2K CD = to a command prompt that can access NTFS, FAT, and FAT32 partitions. =

To start the Recovery Console, boot from the W2K CD. = At the "Welcome to Setup" screen, press F10, or press R to = Repair, then C to start the Recovery Console.

The nice thing about it is that all of the available = commands are built into the interpreter, so nothing on your hard disk = is required for operation.

What I have done in the past is use the recovery = console to "get alive", then go pick the files I want to copy = and hope that the drive will cooperate long enough to let me copy the = files I need to a floppy.

Hope this helps,
Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Bell [mailto:rbell1@netscape.net]
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 4:22 PM
To: ThinkPad Mailing List
Subject: 600X HD Gone South


Help!

The hard drive (Hitachi 12GB) on my 600X seems to = have gone south.  The laptop
was sitting on my desk purring along all day (not = really being used), and when
I went to shut it down it made a strange = chit-chit-chit noise each time it
tried to access the drive.  Of course, every = app crashed and the system
finally crashed too.  When I try to boot I can = get a little ways into the
Windows 2000 boot process (the first black screen = with the white bar at the
bottom), then Win2K craps out with an error that it = can't access a file
(different every time).  There is no BIOS test = option to run any diagnostics.

I called IBM support and they would be willing to = ship a replacement if they
had one, but they're on backorder.  I'm not = really so concerned about getting
my system back up and running quickly (it's my = secondary), but I certainly
need some files off the drive.  My latest = backup is about 3 weeks old, so I've
got a bunch of things, but there's always those last = few documents and e-mails
that I still need.  Anyone have ideas to help = me access the drive??

I believe I can install it in the UltraBay of my old = 770 which I thankfully
haven't given back to my company yet.  With the = way the disk acted though, I
don't think I'll be able to read any files long = enough to copy them off.

Bah!  Had a 770 for almost three years with NO = PROBLEMS and now I've had the
600X for a month and it dies!  = ARRRRRGGGGGHHHH!

Thanks for any ideas...
Rob

_______________________________________________________________= _____
Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account = today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail

------_=_NextPart_001_01C02FE0.8BBD5FBC-- From cph Fri Oct 6 18:10:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA20173 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:10:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01724; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:05:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01428; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01415; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:05:19 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA05215; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:05:15 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001701c02fe1$80078f20$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Rob Bell" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <20001006212201.3668.qmail@ww184.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: 600X HD Gone South Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:05:12 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Can't you boot from a floppy, then try to use a file-recovery program (e.g., the one that ontrack.com offers) to recover the important files? > Bah! Had a 770 for almost three years with NO PROBLEMS and now I've had the > 600X for a month and it dies! ARRRRRGGGGGHHHH! The is what the "M" in "MTBF" represents. Was the drive in your 770 also a Hitachi like this one, or was it genuine IBM? - David R. From cph Fri Oct 6 18:15:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA20226 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:15:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02779; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:10:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02390; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02377; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iso.net (64.217.45.201 -> iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:10:48 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial15.fyvl.telxcom.net [64.217.44.143]) by iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA89263 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:08:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <39DE690C.FC68C47D@iso.net> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 17:06:37 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 365 Battery Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: For those interested in 365 batteries at $19.95 http://www.pcsurplusonline.com/main.cfm Bill From cph Fri Oct 6 18:27:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA20336 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:27:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04583; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:23:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04310; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot23.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04293; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot23.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.43 -> pilot23.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:23:19 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (cherryholmes.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.41]) by pilot23.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e96MNGQ45212 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:23:16 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001006181117.01faa4d0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 18:23:24 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: 600X HD Gone South In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_3325239==_.ALT" List-Unsubscribe: --=====================_3325239==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed While it couldn't hurt to try the this, I don't think it will do any good. This sort of a recovery system sounds for occasions when the filesystem gets corrupted, and you have to deal with that. What rob's problem is, is premature and sudden disk death. I have something that I have used twice in the past which has worked on such disks. I of course have absolutely no faith that this will work for you, and its possible that you might hurt the disk more (so if you're thinking about sending it to a data recovery place, you might not want to try this), so always remember that these things aren't for the faint of heart, etc. My trick is to take the disk, wrap it in a paper towel, and stick it in the freezer for about 15 minutes. The paper towel is to help keep moisture off it. After the 15 minutes, take it out, stick it in the machine and boot. If on the highly unlikely chance does boot, >> COPY THE NEEDED IMPORTANT FILES TO FLOPPY AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN <<. This has worked for me twice: once with a big ide disk, and once on a little laptop 2.5inch unit. If perchance you manage to get any data off this and it seems to have come back to life, treat this disk as if it were radioactive sludge and do not do any more with it. To me there is nothing more scary than a hard disk which died, but then comes back to life. Ick! I don't think this will work for you, but if you can't get it to work this is worth a shot. As near as I can determine after reading about IDE production methods, sometimes (very rarely) things like the arm actuators get stuck because they moved too far, and making them cold shrinks them some number of angstroms, such that they can come back to life. I talked to an IBM disk engineer once about this and his first reaction was to shriek in horror, but did admit that this was a possible fix in some VERY small number of cases. Anyway, if this crazy trick works, let us know. --STeve Andre' At 04:58 PM 10/6/00 -0500, Greg Langham wrote: >Rob, > >The only piece of immediate help I can think of is the possible use of the >"Recovery Console" in Windows 2000. > >For specifics, see the following MS knowledge base article: >http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q229/7/16.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=gn&FR=0 > > >To summarize what it says, you boot from the W2K CD to a command prompt >that can access NTFS, FAT, and FAT32 partitions. > >To start the Recovery Console, boot from the W2K CD. At the "Welcome to >Setup" screen, press F10, or press R to Repair, then C to start the >Recovery Console. > >The nice thing about it is that all of the available commands are built >into the interpreter, so nothing on your hard disk is required for operation. > >What I have done in the past is use the recovery console to "get alive", >then go pick the files I want to copy and hope that the drive will >cooperate long enough to let me copy the files I need to a floppy. > >Hope this helps, >Greg > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rob Bell [mailto:rbell1@netscape.net] >Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 4:22 PM >To: ThinkPad Mailing List >Subject: 600X HD Gone South > >Help! > >The hard drive (Hitachi 12GB) on my 600X seems to have gone south. The >laptop >was sitting on my desk purring along all day (not really being used), and >when >I went to shut it down it made a strange chit-chit-chit noise each time it >tried to access the drive. Of course, every app crashed and the system >finally crashed too. When I try to boot I can get a little ways into the >Windows 2000 boot process (the first black screen with the white bar at the >bottom), then Win2K craps out with an error that it can't access a file >(different every time). There is no BIOS test option to run any diagnostics. > >I called IBM support and they would be willing to ship a replacement if they >had one, but they're on backorder. I'm not really so concerned about getting >my system back up and running quickly (it's my secondary), but I certainly >need some files off the drive. My latest backup is about 3 weeks old, so >I've >got a bunch of things, but there's always those last few documents and >e-mails >that I still need. Anyone have ideas to help me access the drive?? > >I believe I can install it in the UltraBay of my old 770 which I thankfully >haven't given back to my company yet. With the way the disk acted though, I >don't think I'll be able to read any files long enough to copy them off. > >Bah! Had a 770 for almost three years with NO PROBLEMS and now I've had the >600X for a month and it dies! ARRRRRGGGGGHHHH! > >Thanks for any ideas... >Rob > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at >http://home.netscape.com/webmail --=====================_3325239==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" While it couldn't hurt to try the this, I don't think it will do any good.  This
sort of a recovery system sounds for occasions when the filesystem gets
corrupted, and you have to deal with that.

What rob's problem is, is premature and sudden disk death.  I have something
that I have used twice in the past which has worked on such disks.  I of course
have absolutely no faith that this will work for you, and its possible that you
might hurt the disk more (so if you're thinking about sending it to a data
recovery place, you might not want to try this), so always remember that these
things aren't for the faint of heart, etc.

My trick is to take the disk, wrap it in a paper towel, and stick it in the freezer
for about 15 minutes.  The paper towel is to help keep moisture off it.

After the 15 minutes, take it out, stick it in the machine and boot.  If on the
highly unlikely chance does boot, >> COPY THE NEEDED IMPORTANT
FILES TO FLOPPY AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN <<.

This has worked for me twice: once with a big ide disk, and once on a little
laptop 2.5inch unit.

If perchance you manage to get any data off this and it seems to have come
back to life, treat this disk as if it were radioactive sludge and do not do
any more with it.  To me there is nothing more scary than a hard disk which
died, but then comes back to life.  Ick!

I don't think this will work for you, but if you can't get it to work this is
worth a shot.  As near as I can determine after reading about IDE production
methods, sometimes (very rarely) things like the arm actuators get stuck
because they moved too far, and making them cold shrinks them some
number of angstroms, such that they can come back to life.  I talked to an
IBM disk engineer once about this and his first reaction was to shriek in
horror, but did admit that this was a possible fix in some VERY small
number of cases.

Anyway, if this crazy trick works, let us know.

--STeve Andre'

At 04:58 PM 10/6/00 -0500, Greg Langham wrote:

Rob,

The only piece of immediate help I can think of is the possible use of the "Recovery Console" in Windows 2000.

For specifics, see the following MS knowledge base article:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q229/7/16.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=gn&FR=0

To summarize what it says, you boot from the W2K CD to a command prompt that can access NTFS, FAT, and FAT32 partitions.

To start the Recovery Console, boot from the W2K CD. At the "Welcome to Setup" screen, press F10, or press R to Repair, then C to start the Recovery Console.

The nice thing about it is that all of the available commands are built into the interpreter, so nothing on your hard disk is required for operation.

What I have done in the past is use the recovery console to "get alive", then go pick the files I want to copy and hope that the drive will cooperate long enough to let me copy the files I need to a floppy.

Hope this helps,
Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Bell [mailto:rbell1@netscape.net]
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 4:22 PM
To: ThinkPad Mailing List
Subject: 600X HD Gone South

Help!

The hard drive (Hitachi 12GB) on my 600X seems to have gone south.  The laptop
was sitting on my desk purring along all day (not really being used), and when
I went to shut it down it made a strange chit-chit-chit noise each time it
tried to access the drive.  Of course, every app crashed and the system
finally crashed too.  When I try to boot I can get a little ways into the
Windows 2000 boot process (the first black screen with the white bar at the
bottom), then Win2K craps out with an error that it can't access a file
(different every time).  There is no BIOS test option to run any diagnostics.

I called IBM support and they would be willing to ship a replacement if they
had one, but they're on backorder.  I'm not really so concerned about getting
my system back up and running quickly (it's my secondary), but I certainly
need some files off the drive.  My latest backup is about 3 weeks old, so I've
got a bunch of things, but there's always those last few documents and e-mails
that I still need.  Anyone have ideas to help me access the drive??

I believe I can install it in the UltraBay of my old 770 which I thankfully
haven't given back to my company yet.  With the way the disk acted though, I
don't think I'll be able to read any files long enough to copy them off.

Bah!  Had a 770 for almost three years with NO PROBLEMS and now I've had the
600X for a month and it dies!  ARRRRRGGGGGHHHH!

Thanks for any ideas...
Rob

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--=====================_3325239==_.ALT-- From cph Fri Oct 6 18:35:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA20400 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:35:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05703; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:31:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05291; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot19.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05277; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot19.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.39 -> pilot19.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:31:27 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (cherryholmes.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.41]) by pilot19.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e96MVOL16106 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:31:24 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001006183118.01fb0bb0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 18:32:14 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 365 Battery Sale In-Reply-To: <39DE690C.FC68C47D@iso.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I am dripping with jealousy. ThinkPad 1480's don't ever get breaks like these! STeve At 05:06 PM 10/6/00 -0700, William Van Tuyl wrote: >For those interested in 365 batteries at $19.95 > >http://www.pcsurplusonline.com/main.cfm > > >Bill From cph Fri Oct 6 18:36:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA20437 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:36:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05877; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:33:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05557; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05381; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:32:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (adsl-141-152-140-146.bellatlantic.net [141.152.140.146]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA25908 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010062231.SAA25908@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:31:54 -0400 Reply-To: duh2000@bellatlantic.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.337) From: jim To: Thinkpad Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v337) Subject: RE: 600X HD Gone South List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA20438 Other things you can do, if desperate. Try booting many, many times. It might work just once and you can copy your files. Drop the notebook about 8 inches onto a pillow. If the problem is "mechanical" this may jar it enough to boot. Both of these methods have worked for me. The "drop the notebook" dodge can at least temporarily fix any number of "loose connection" problems. jim From cph Fri Oct 6 19:36:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA20748 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:36:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11802; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:31:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11428; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11409; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:31:47 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA05649 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:31:44 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002501c02fed$94a3eee0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" References: <200010062231.SAA25908@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: 600X HD Gone South Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:31:40 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > Drop the notebook about 8 inches onto a pillow. If the problem is "mechanical" this may jar it enough to boot. I love this. I'm also on an Alfa Romeo owners list, and there is a similar fix mentioned there for fuel pump problems, though that one involves smacking with a hammer. > Both of these methods have worked for me. The "drop the notebook" dodge can at least temporarily fix any number of "loose connection" problems. Or create new ones? - David R. From cph Fri Oct 6 20:40:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA21112 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:40:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18213; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:34:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17626; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17613; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:34:21 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10324; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39DE6F7B.ABE25C31@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 20:34:03 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: 600X HD Gone South References: <200010062231.SAA25908@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> <002501c02fed$94a3eee0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: There was a class of hard drives for Sun workstations years ago (might have been some type of Quantum) where the head would get stuck in the park position. The fix was to take the drive out and bang it in the direction of head motion to loosen it up. The first time I saw someone "fix" a drive this way in a new, expensive workstation was...well..interesting. It worked! --Lee Hetherington From cph Fri Oct 6 21:17:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA21431 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:17:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23781; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:12:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22891; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22872; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:12:03 -0400 Received: from thinkpad1 ([12.79.57.184]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001007011200.RSED5657.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@thinkpad1>; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 01:12:00 +0000 Message-ID: <007201c02ffb$bfcfb050$b8394f0c@thinkpad1> From: "Donald Mak" To: Cc: References: <39DABC51.299E708C@gate.net> <000901c02e72$a30dbd70$1a1e4f0c@thinkpad1> <39DD5907.377DD736@gate.net> Subject: Re: A series and Lotus Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:13:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Bill, but... was this certificate supposed to be included with the TP? Or will it arrive separately? Donald Mak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morrow" To: "Donald Mak" Cc: Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 12:45 AM Subject: Re: A series and Lotus > you get a certificate to send for it.. > > Donald Mak wrote: > > > Someone fill me in here ... > > > > Doesn't the A series come with Lotus Millenium edition? I can't find the CD > > nor do I see it on the HD..... > > > > Thanks > > -- > --- > > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > sic transit gloria > > From cph Sat Oct 7 11:20:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA25294 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:20:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03699; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:16:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03342; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03329; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (208.139.144.3 -> mail.advi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:16:23 -0400 Received: from ecamin (s13354103.advi.net [208.133.54.103]) by mail.advi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA23111; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000701c03071$8694a4a0$673685d0@ecamin> From: "Edwin A Camin" To: "Rob Bell" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <20001006212201.3668.qmail@ww184.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: 600X HD Gone South Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:16:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I recently had the same problem. (Not on my TP600) I booted up into DOS and ran DOS Scandisk. It fixed several errors including a bad cluster. It works great now. Ed To err is human, but to blame it on the computer is even more so. http://ed-camin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Bell" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 5:22 PM Subject: 600X HD Gone South > Help! > > The hard drive (Hitachi 12GB) on my 600X seems to have gone south. The laptop > was sitting on my desk purring along all day (not really being used), and when > I went to shut it down it made a strange chit-chit-chit noise each time it > tried to access the drive. Of course, every app crashed and the system > finally crashed too. When I try to boot I can get a little ways into the > Windows 2000 boot process (the first black screen with the white bar at the > bottom), then Win2K craps out with an error that it can't access a file > (different every time). There is no BIOS test option to run any diagnostics. > > I called IBM support and they would be willing to ship a replacement if they > had one, but they're on backorder. I'm not really so concerned about getting > my system back up and running quickly (it's my secondary), but I certainly > need some files off the drive. My latest backup is about 3 weeks old, so I've > got a bunch of things, but there's always those last few documents and e-mails > that I still need. Anyone have ideas to help me access the drive?? > > I believe I can install it in the UltraBay of my old 770 which I thankfully > haven't given back to my company yet. With the way the disk acted though, I > don't think I'll be able to read any files long enough to copy them off. > > Bah! Had a 770 for almost three years with NO PROBLEMS and now I've had the > 600X for a month and it dies! ARRRRRGGGGGHHHH! > > Thanks for any ideas... > Rob > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail > From cph Sat Oct 7 11:20:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA25301 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:20:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03875; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:19:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03547; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.jaring.my (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03513; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.jaring.my (192.228.128.45 -> smtp1.jaring.my) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:18:58 -0400 Received: from M99H9741 (man101@j126.ptl48.jaring.my [161.142.114.140]) by smtp1.jaring.my (8.10.0.Beta6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e97FIq805737 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:18:52 +0800 (MYT) From: "George In" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:22:20 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: ThinkPad 380D and Toshiba HDD? Reply-to: gin@pc.jaring.my Message-ID: <39DFB02C.32673.F13705@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Was wondering if anyone has had any luck upgrading the hard disk on their ThinkPad 380D. I was trying to help a friend replace his dying (and small) 1.4GB hard disk with a new Toshiba MK9014MAP (9.04GB) hard disk. The interesting thing is, Easy Setup (pressing F1 while booting) detects the drive, and the diagnostics, tests it successfully (including the Ctrl-A advanced diagnostics). But upon booting up, the machine would hang at the startup screen (with the ThinkPad logo, IBM logo and memory count) and the disk activity LED lighted solidly on. Any idea what's wrong? I tried the same hard disk in my ThinkPad 570 and it works like a charm. Anyone with some input? Thanks. regards, George In. From cph Sat Oct 7 11:34:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA25397 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:34:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04883; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:32:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04655; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04642; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.23.16 -> wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:32:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 2811 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2000 15:32:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20001007153247.2810.qmail@wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.16 by wwcst271 for [24.163.172.50] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Sat Oct 7 15:32:47 GMT 2000 Date: 7 Oct 00 10:32:47 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "David Ross" , "Rob Bell" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 600X HD Gone South X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA25398 I put the drive in the UltraBay of my 770. The NT OS on the 770 can see the D: drive (NTFS5) of the failing HD, but not the C: drive (FAT). I can see the directory listing of D: and copy off some files perfectly, but some are just plain unaccessible. Apparently there is a physical problem with some portions of the disk platters or heads. I retrieved about 2/3 of the files I needed and can probably live without the other ones. In answer to your other question, I believe the drive in the 770 was genuine IBM. That doesn't mean a lot to me though, because I've had about a dozen different drives for various ThinkPads over the years, ranging from IBM to Hitachi, to SigmaData to SimpleTechnology and others. Never before have I had a HD failure that was more than a bad sector. And, being in the computer consulting industry for 8 years and electrical engineering before that, I've used my share of computers. Thanks, Rob "David Ross" wrote: > Can't you boot from a floppy, then try to use a file-recovery program (e.g., > the one that ontrack.com offers) > to recover the important files? > > > Bah! Had a 770 for almost three years with NO PROBLEMS and now I've had the > > 600X for a month and it dies! ARRRRRGGGGGHHHH! > > The is what the "M" in "MTBF" represents. > > Was the drive in your 770 also a Hitachi like this one, or was it genuine IBM? > > - David R. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Sat Oct 7 11:43:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA25453 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:43:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05557; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:41:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05397; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww183.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05384; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww183.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.83 -> ww183.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:41:23 -0400 Received: (qmail 10456 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2000 15:41:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20001007154122.10455.qmail@ww183.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.83 by ww183 for [24.163.172.50] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Sat Oct 7 15:41:22 GMT 2000 Date: 7 Oct 00 10:41:22 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 600X HD Gone South - Thanks! X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA25454 Thanks for all the ideas about recovering my files on the crashed 600X HD. I managed to get most of my critical files off (of the ones I didn't have backed up) and there are only a handfull of 'nice-to-haves' left that appear gone. At this point I'm more frustrated with the fact that I'm going to have to do another full system build again (I just did it a month ago when I got the 600X). Thanks! Rob p.s. Now that I don't have much to lose, maybe I'll try some of the more radical suggestions, like the freezer or a good whack on the desk... If nothing else it may make me feel better! ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Sat Oct 7 11:50:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA25480 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:50:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06151; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:48:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06040; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06026; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (216.227.56.41 -> mail-1.sjc.telocity.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:47:57 -0400 Received: from attglobal.net (dsl-216-227-31-61.chi.interchangedsl.com [216.227.31.61]) by mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13459; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39DF43FC.8C32E67E@attglobal.net> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 10:40:45 -0500 From: Jeff Fayne Reply-To: fayne@attglobal.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gin@pc.jaring.my CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 380D and Toshiba HDD? References: <39DFB02C.32673.F13705@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Is this a clean install or are you cloning the existing drive (if so, what clone sw are you using)? You don't mention which OS your running, but I had a similar problem on my 380XD when I Ghosted a 6.4G drive that was running W98. I never did discover what caused the problem, but I was able to get it to boot by rewritng the Master boot sector with FDISK. From DOS (you still have your W98 boot floppy, don't you...) type: fdisk /mbr Something in the back of my mind tells me that the Thinkpad's also have a reserved area for the Security password, I doubt that comes into play here. I'd be curious if it recognizes the entire 9G, my understanding is that the 380's (and others?) are limited to 6.4G... Anyone? Jeff George In wrote: > Hi, > > Was wondering if anyone has had any luck upgrading the hard disk > on their ThinkPad 380D. I was trying to help a friend replace his > dying (and small) 1.4GB hard disk with a new Toshiba > MK9014MAP (9.04GB) hard disk. > > The interesting thing is, Easy Setup (pressing F1 while booting) > detects the drive, and the diagnostics, tests it successfully > (including the Ctrl-A advanced diagnostics). But upon booting up, > the machine would hang at the startup screen (with the ThinkPad > logo, IBM logo and memory count) and the disk activity LED > lighted solidly on. > > Any idea what's wrong? I tried the same hard disk in my ThinkPad > 570 and it works like a charm. > > Anyone with some input? Thanks. > > regards, > George In. From cph Sat Oct 7 12:16:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA25589 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:16:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07492; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:13:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07233; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot29.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07219; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot29.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.49 -> pilot29.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:13:42 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm452-12.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.118]) by pilot29.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e97GDdP43164 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:13:39 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001007121341.01f9fcb0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 12:14:18 -0400 To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 600X HD Gone South - Thanks! In-Reply-To: <20001007154122.10455.qmail@ww183.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: You didn't tell us what magic incantation worked! What was it? --STeve Andre' At 10:41 AM 10/7/00 -0500, Rob Bell wrote: >Thanks for all the ideas about recovering my files on the crashed 600X HD. I >managed to get most of my critical files off (of the ones I didn't have backed >up) and there are only a handfull of 'nice-to-haves' left that appear gone. >At this point I'm more frustrated with the fact that I'm going to have to do >another full system build again (I just did it a month ago when I got the >600X). > >Thanks! >Rob > >p.s. Now that I don't have much to lose, maybe I'll try some of the more >radical suggestions, like the freezer or a good whack on the desk... If >nothing else it may make me feel better! From cph Sat Oct 7 12:38:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA25684 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:38:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08988; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:34:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08772; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08759; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.161 -> gtei2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:34:24 -0400 Received: from emendels (adsl-141-155-113-47.bellatlantic.net [141.155.113.47]) by gtei2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA10746 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000f01c0307c$7bbf81c0$080aa8c6@zd.com> From: "Edward Mendelson" To: Subject: [TP old models] Any way to get USB on old ThinkPads? Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:34:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I'm not really desperate for this, but if anyone has a solution to this problem, I'd be glad to hear about it. Has anyone found a way to get USB support on to old ThinkPads that don't have a USB port and that don't have Cardbus-enabled PC card slots? I've found a couple of PCCard-to-USB-port cards, but they require Cardbus support, which didn't get into ThinkPads until the 760s or thereabouts. Does anyone know a way to get USB into earlier models, perhaps through a PC Card adapter that I haven't come across yet? Many thanks for any info. Edward Mendelson Contributing Editor PC Magazine From cph Sat Oct 7 14:46:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA26407 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:46:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15849; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:41:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15504; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dorsey.1.fcc.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15483; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:41:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from dorsey.1.fcc.net (207.198.253.124 -> new-dorsey.fcc.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:41:16 -0400 Received: from JONATHAN240 ([216.25.206.66]) by dorsey.1.fcc.net (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license 96217ffa30d2d3b22357484512a98b4b) with ESMTP id <20001007184016.CNEP423.dorsey@JONATHAN240> for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:40:16 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:39:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: TP240 LCD Flicker EZ Serv Report Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Message-Id: <20001007184016.CNEP423.dorsey@JONATHAN240> List-Unsubscribe: Greetings, Here is quick report on my EZ Serv experience. My problem was a flickering LCD screen (it behaved as though the brightness setting was being changed at random). I'm pretty sure I am not the only TP240 owner who has run into this. The bottom line: I called in on Tuesday, got the mailer on Wednesday, and got my repaired ThinkPad back on Friday. The person on the phone seemed happy that I called *before* the LCD died (methinks an LCD cable repair is cheaper than an LCD replacement). The machine was under warranty. According to the report, they repaired the system board and LCD cable and updated the BIOS (the latest 240 bios is IRET72WW). I have used the machine for a 2-3 hours and have not seen any flicker yet, but that is not much of a test. For completeness, here is the problem as I described it when I sent in my ThinkPad: Flickering LCD screen - this is most commonly observed at the minimum brightness setting. I can usually get it to go away by turning brightness all the way up and then back down. This can sometimes be triggered by moving the LCD on its hinge. Red LCD screen - all pixels on the screen that would normally be black are instead red. Less common than above. Sometimes this can be fixed by moving the LCD on its hinge. Flashing LCD screen - still less common. Here the screen looks like a multisync monitor that is not in sync. It is unreadable. Turning the machine off and then on again seems to fix it. All of the problems above are intermittent but seem to be getting worse. The flickering screen has been a minor nuisance from the start (March 2000). The other problems cropped up later. None of the problems appear when an external monitor is used. I have most commonly seen these issues come up when running on battery power. Thats the end of my report. Questions and comments welcome. Yours, Jonathan Krall From cph Sat Oct 7 15:07:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA26487 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:07:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17432; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:03:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17220; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17202; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:03:19 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.48.2.216 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:02:24 -0700 Message-ID: <007f01c03091$9d1d2ce0$fe02303f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: 560 motherboard swap Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:05:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I'm trying to find a 166mhz motherboard for my 133mhz case. Is this do able? Does the 166mhz have a usb? Need to get a faster motherboard, but want to keep my maroon case. Thanks for any info. By the way I'm up to 4 painted 560's. 2 are mine and 2 contracted after seeing mine. Wooohooo! One burgundy, one orange, and 2 camoflaged. Booger PS If you have a 166mhz MB for sale, please contact me directly. From cph Sat Oct 7 16:50:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA27098 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:50:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24607; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:47:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24294; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24281; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.147.1.143 -> chmls05.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:47:06 -0400 Received: from laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA05645 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:47:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: RE: Cheap pcmia drivers hard drive spotted Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:47:06 -0400 Message-ID: <004701c0309f$c11e36d0$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: I very much appreciate your posting this information, David. I think it adds a lot to the list to hear about relevant bargains like this. Now, does anyone know whether it's possible to get a Windows 2000 driver for that Integral Peripherals' Viper 170? Thanks -- Jeff > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Ross [mailto:ross@math.hawaii.edu] >Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 2:44 PM >To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU >Subject: [TPnone] Cheap pcmcia drives hard drive spotted > >While looking for something else I ran across the site >http://www.softwareandstuff.com/, which has >pcmcia hard drives (170, 260, and 520 megs) for as low as $30 (for the 170). >I'm no longer looking for one of these, but when I was, a few months back, the >eBay prices were usually much higher than this. > >I don't know anything about this company, etc., etc. > >I hope I'm not offending too many people by posting this! > >- David R. (In the absence of Jon W's daily deal...:-) > > > From cph Sat Oct 7 18:48:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA27631 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:48:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01900; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:45:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01586; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01529; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:45:00 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA08490; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:44:53 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003c01c030b0$35a420e0$3862183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Jeffrey Baker" , References: <004701c0309f$c11e36d0$0200a8c0@laptop> Subject: Re: Cheap pcmia drivers hard drive spotted Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:44:50 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > Now, does > anyone know whether it's possible to get a Windows 2000 driver for that > Integral Peripherals' Viper 170? Thanks -- Jeff While the listers who actually own this drive might be able to give a more credible answer, I personally would guess that Windows will immediately recognize it as a standard IDE drive with no extra driver necessary. (This is what W95 does with external pcmcia hard drives.) - David R. From cph Sat Oct 7 19:08:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA27749 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:08:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03313; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:05:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03084; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03059; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:05:29 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-21.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.21]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e97N41B26345; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:04:02 -0700 Message-ID: <39DFABD9.451472D0@mail.orion.org> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 18:03:53 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Burean CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: 560 motherboard swap References: <007f01c03091$9d1d2ce0$fe02303f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Brad Burean wrote: > > I'm trying to find a 166mhz motherboard for my 133mhz case. Is this do > able? Does the 166mhz have a usb? Need to get a faster motherboard, but > want to keep my maroon case. Thanks for any info. By the way I'm up to 4 > painted 560's. 2 are mine and 2 contracted after seeing mine. Wooohooo! > One burgundy, one orange, and 2 camoflaged. As far as I can tell, the 133MHz and 166MHz cases are identical inside and out. I think a 166MHz (560E) motherboard will fit in a 560 case. A 560X or 560Z motherboard, however, probably won't fit. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Sat Oct 7 19:25:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA27847 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:25:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04759; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:22:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04567; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04553; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:22:01 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA08594 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:21:58 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <006201c030b5$631358c0$3862183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Thinkpad Users" References: <007f01c03091$9d1d2ce0$fe02303f@oemcomputer> <39DFABD9.451472D0@mail.orion.org> Subject: Re: 560 motherboard swap Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:21:55 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: The 560X case is in many ways quite different from the 560. Among other things, it has a very different underside (with two docking station connectors, as compared with the 560's one), as well as a hole for the rear USB port. I don't see how a MB with USB would fit in a 560 case. - David R. From cph Sun Oct 8 01:07:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA29411 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:07:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21543; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:02:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21318; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst269.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21305; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst269.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.23.14 -> wwcst269.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:02:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 18512 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2000 05:02:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20001008050239.18511.qmail@wwcst269.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.14 by wwcst269 for [24.163.172.50] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Sun Oct 8 05:02:39 GMT 2000 Date: 8 Oct 00 00:02:39 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "STeve Andre" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 600X HD Gone South - Thanks! X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id BAA29412 "STeve Andre'" wrote: > You didn't tell us what magic incantation worked! What was it? > > --STeve Andre' Nothing magic... and nothing that really worked. I wasn't able to boot with the bad drive in the 600X because of the variety and volume of files that need to load during boot, but I could put it in the 770 UltraBay and access minor parts of it. I got off some files but can't access others. So, it's still hosed, but I'm not missing anything critical. Just hate to have to waste the time building a new system from scratch, especially when I'm in crunch mode on my current project and don't have much free time to play with it. I will try some of the other ideas to see if I can get further. Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Sun Oct 8 01:20:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA29620 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:20:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22367; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:17:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22151; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot22.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22135; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot22.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.42 -> pilot22.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:17:23 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm453-12.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.166]) by pilot22.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e985HK749192 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:17:20 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001008011422.01f28070@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 01:17:39 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 600X HD Gone South - Thanks! In-Reply-To: <20001008050239.18511.qmail@wwcst269.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I understand. Thats the creepy part, when a disk fails for no good reason, stays dead for a while and then comes baaaack. Eeeww. Well, don't ever sucumb to the temptation to use it again! ;-) --STeve Andre' At 12:02 AM 10/8/00 -0500, Rob Bell wrote: >"STeve Andre'" wrote: > > You didn't tell us what magic incantation worked! What was it? > > > > --STeve Andre' > >Nothing magic... and nothing that really worked. I wasn't able to boot with >the bad drive in the 600X because of the variety and volume of files that need >to load during boot, but I could put it in the 770 UltraBay and access minor >parts of it. I got off some files but can't access others. So, it's still >hosed, but I'm not missing anything critical. Just hate to have to waste the >time building a new system from scratch, especially when I'm in crunch mode on >my current project and don't have much free time to play with it. > >I will try some of the other ideas to see if I can get further. > >Rob From cph Sun Oct 8 05:05:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA30259 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 05:05:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29801; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 05:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 05:00:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29548; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 05:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29535; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 05:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (24.30.163.11 -> laxmls02.socal.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 05:00:17 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (sc-24-24-233-88.socal.rr.com [24.24.233.88]) by laxmls02.socal.rr.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e988xHr26044 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:59:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: mikeford@pop-server.socal.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39DE690C.FC68C47D@iso.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 02:00:33 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: 365 Battery Sale List-Unsubscribe: >For those interested in 365 batteries at $19.95 > >http://www.pcsurplusonline.com/main.cfm First it says on that page "refurb", later it says used but tested excellent or something like that. Sounds like a pig in a poke. I wouldn't mind a good second battery for my 365XD, but I would like to hear what sort of run time people get if they buy one of these before jumping in the water. From cph Sun Oct 8 05:13:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA30276 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 05:13:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00373; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 05:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 05:09:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00208; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 05:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mailserver249 (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00193; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 05:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mailserver249 (12.30.178.249 -> mailserver249.halfpricehosting.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 05:09:45 -0400 Received: from snapper3 [203.79.95.235] by Mailserver249 with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.03) id ABA11BC400EE; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 05:17:21 -0400 From: "Will Lau" To: , "Will Lau" Cc: Subject: RE: Anyone got ghost2001 working on their Win2000 600x Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:10:09 +1300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <39DD55CF.72A5F40@gate.net> List-Unsubscribe: care to explain "strange"? > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] > Sent: Friday, 6 October 2000 5:32 p.m. > To: Will Lau > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Anyone got ghost2001 working on their Win2000 600x > > > Ghost has produced some rather strange results for me, lately.. > esp. on a HDD with WinME and W2k.. > > Will Lau wrote: > > > Anyone got Ghost 2001 mirroring their Win 2000 HDDs okay? > > > > I cant get mine to work. Partition Magic works if I copy each partition > > one-by-one but not Ghost. > > > > I've got twin 12GB drives running on my 600x. The idea is to mirror the > > primary drive to the secondary (swappable bay drive) for backup. > > > > Ghost mirrors the disks fine but booting into the backup disk I > find I cant > > log into Win2000. I get an endless "boot loop" login prompt -> enter > > login -> starts clinking away -> login prompt, etc.... > > > > FWIW: > > > > Partition 1: DOS Partition (Fat16 has Ghost on it) > > Partition 2: Windows 2000 (NTFS logical) > > Partition 3: Just some data (NTFS logical) > > -- > --- > > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > sic transit gloria > > > From cph Sun Oct 8 15:11:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA09751 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:11:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12415; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:03:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11828; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11815; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:03:49 -0400 Received: from 249.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.150.249]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001008190338.HPHP22244.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@249.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:03:38 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: DVD Player Upgrade Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 19:03:28 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39e0c3bc.21104183@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA09752 On this lazy Sunday in the middle of a 3-day weekend, as it's too cold to play around in (and under) the car very long, I've been browsing the IBM FTP site trouble-shooting a non-issue: The DVD player software that comes with the 600E DVD player. I've never gotten the upgrade to work satisfactorily, and checking the site for files starting with DVD I've discovered that there are several versions of the software on the site that claim to be compatible with the 600E: dvd1823.exe, dvd50641.exe, dvd50731.exe, and so on. Is there a preferred version that everyone has found the most successful? Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Sun Oct 8 16:21:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA10077 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:21:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18749; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:17:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18483; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18415; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:17:15 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.46.255.7 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:16:04 -0700 Message-ID: <004b01c03165$1c4f7080$07ff2e3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: A tad off topic Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:19:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I want to use my Nokia 5120 with my Thinkpad 560 when I go on a trip in a few weeks, I got the auto adapter, a megahertz 33.6 ceel capable modem, now I guess i just need a cable, has anyone done this? I need a few pointers on where to go from here. SWBT is no help on the cable for the phone the gave me. Thanks Booger From cph Sun Oct 8 19:41:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA10835 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:41:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04304; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:35:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03963; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot16.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03950; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot16.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.36 -> pilot16.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:35:36 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm457-36.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.142]) by pilot16.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e98NZVh27386 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:35:31 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001008193302.01f5c4a0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 19:35:07 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 365 Battery Sale In-Reply-To: References: <39DE690C.FC68C47D@iso.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Given that batteries are a thing unto themselves, I don't think others experiences are going to help you much. If this is a reputable place, then they're going to be OK batteries, but individual units are going to provide better and worse results. If you need extras, at $19.95 I would buy one. If that one worked, I might well buy a couple more. ...That is, if they were ThinkPad 1480i batteries. ;-) Still looking for a magical pile of them! --STeve Andre' At 02:00 AM 10/8/00 -0800, Mike Ford wrote: > >For those interested in 365 batteries at $19.95 > > > >http://www.pcsurplusonline.com/main.cfm > >First it says on that page "refurb", later it says used but tested >excellent or something like that. Sounds like a pig in a poke. I wouldn't >mind a good second battery for my 365XD, but I would like to hear what sort >of run time people get if they buy one of these before jumping in the water. From cph Sun Oct 8 20:59:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA11131 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:59:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10507; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:54:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10214; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10201; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (129.250.36.44 -> dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:54:56 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13iRDO-0007LJ-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:54:50 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.50] (helo=isdn30-50.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.161 #1) id 13iRDO-0002S5-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:54:50 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: [TP old models] Any way to get USB on old ThinkPads? Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 19:54:16 -0500 Message-ID: References: <000f01c0307c$7bbf81c0$080aa8c6@zd.com> In-Reply-To: <000f01c0307c$7bbf81c0$080aa8c6@zd.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id UAA11132 On Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:34:36 -0400, "Edward Mendelson" wrote: >Many thanks for any info. I searched about a month ago and was pointed to serial port to USB adapters. It was said they were faster than PC Card (pcmcia not CardBus) adapters. I have not searched them out. If you do, pls post back your results. Thanks. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Mon Oct 9 03:39:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA12357 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:39:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02995; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:34:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02664; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02479; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (134.100.9.61 -> rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:31:03 -0400 Received: from kogs1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (root@kogs1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.12.111]) by rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e997UuK14932 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:30:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.12.145]) by kogs1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e997Us619067 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:30:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e997UqI19052 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:30:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: Sven Utcke Message-Id: <200010090730.e997UqI19052@kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de> Subject: Re: [TP old models] Any way to get USB on old ThinkPads? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:30:50 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <000f01c0307c$7bbf81c0$080aa8c6@zd.com> from "Edward Mendelson" at Oct 07, 2000 12:34:36 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi Edward, > Has anyone found a way to get USB support on to old ThinkPads that > don't have a USB port and that don't have Cardbus-enabled PC card > slots? I've found a couple of PCCard-to-USB-port cards, but they > require Cardbus support, which didn't get into ThinkPads until the > 760s or thereabouts. I'm pretty sure I've seen USB ports that plug into the parallel port. Not sure whether this could be an option for older Thinkpads (at least bi-directional support would surely need to exist), nor what OS might be supported (Win9x, no doubt, but as for Win NT/2000/Me, I don't know, never mind OS/2 or Linux). Maybe an avenue worth exploring Sven -- _ __ The Cognitive Systems Group | |/ /___ __ _ ___ University of Hamburg | ' ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:40:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03321; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:38:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02899; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02882; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:38:12 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-73.gate.net [199.227.20.136]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA67516; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:38:07 -0400 Message-ID: <39E17612.55AC7FC8@gate.net> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 03:38:58 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Will Lau CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Anyone got ghost2001 working on their Win2000 600x References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: seemed to make an exact copy of a winME and Win2k dual boot drive but the result was an unrecogniseable w2k partition.. it seemed to work, but i blasted it and am in the process of finding my drive copy pro.. Will Lau wrote: > care to explain "strange"? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] > > Sent: Friday, 6 October 2000 5:32 p.m. > > To: Will Lau > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: Anyone got ghost2001 working on their Win2000 600x > > > > > > Ghost has produced some rather strange results for me, lately.. > > esp. on a HDD with WinME and W2k.. > > > > Will Lau wrote: > > > > > Anyone got Ghost 2001 mirroring their Win 2000 HDDs okay? > > > > > > I cant get mine to work. Partition Magic works if I copy each partition > > > one-by-one but not Ghost. > > > > > > I've got twin 12GB drives running on my 600x. The idea is to mirror the > > > primary drive to the secondary (swappable bay drive) for backup. > > > > > > Ghost mirrors the disks fine but booting into the backup disk I > > find I cant > > > log into Win2000. I get an endless "boot loop" login prompt -> enter > > > login -> starts clinking away -> login prompt, etc.... > > > > > > FWIW: > > > > > > Partition 1: DOS Partition (Fat16 has Ghost on it) > > > Partition 2: Windows 2000 (NTFS logical) > > > Partition 3: Just some data (NTFS logical) > > > > -- > > --- > > > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > > sic transit gloria > > > > > > -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Mon Oct 9 03:48:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA12394 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:48:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04213; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:45:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03968; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03955; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:45:51 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-73.gate.net [199.227.20.136]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA178618; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:45:47 -0400 Message-ID: <39E177DD.15F21531@gate.net> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 03:46:37 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Mak CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A series and Lotus References: <39DABC51.299E708C@gate.net> <000901c02e72$a30dbd70$1a1e4f0c@thinkpad1> <39DD5907.377DD736@gate.net> <007201c02ffb$bfcfb050$b8394f0c@thinkpad1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: not sure.. there is a link to the lotus web site.. start/programs/lotus customer support.. i have not opened the papers included with either my A20p or the new A21p.. so, i did the above, just now and i find a white form which gives the thinkpad purchaser Lotus Notes R5 client and Lotus SmartSuite Millenium Edition.. free.. just call or log on or whatever.. the type is small and i need to get other stuff done here.. :-) Donald Mak wrote: > Thanks Bill, > > but... was this certificate supposed to be included with the TP? Or will it > arrive > separately? > > Donald Mak > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Morrow" > To: "Donald Mak" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 12:45 AM > Subject: Re: A series and Lotus > > > you get a certificate to send for it.. > > > > Donald Mak wrote: > > > > > Someone fill me in here ... > > > > > > Doesn't the A series come with Lotus Millenium edition? I can't find the > CD > > > nor do I see it on the HD..... > > > > > > Thanks > > > > -- > > --- > > > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > > sic transit gloria > > > > -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Mon Oct 9 04:04:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA12478 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 04:04:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05546; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 04:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 04:01:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05355; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 04:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05342; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 04:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 04:01:32 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-73.gate.net [199.227.20.136]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA268874 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 04:01:26 -0400 Message-ID: <39E17B87.CE6CBC78@gate.net> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 04:02:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: A21p Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: FWIW: the A21p is fast.. the 32gig drive is fast.. the display is yet another generational improvement.. those lucky enough to find one will enjoy this new machine... :-) -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Mon Oct 9 05:18:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA12742 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 05:18:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08110; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 05:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 05:08:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07875; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 05:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07857; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 05:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (24.30.163.11 -> laxmls02.socal.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 05:08:20 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (sc-24-24-233-88.socal.rr.com [24.24.233.88]) by laxmls02.socal.rr.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9997Kr12687 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 02:07:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: mikeford@pop-server.socal.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001008193302.01f5c4a0@pilot.msu.edu> References: <39DE690C.FC68C47D@iso.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 01:43:10 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: 365 Battery Sale List-Unsubscribe: >to provide better and worse results. If you need extras, at $19.95 I Thats the key, "need", at this point we never use this one except plugged in (home or car), so I don't really even know the current battery condition. From cph Mon Oct 9 06:04:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA12878 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 06:04:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15130; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 06:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 06:01:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14965; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 06:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14950; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 06:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 06:01:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (turgut@localhost) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA14622 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:00:16 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:00:16 +0300 (EET DST) From: Turgut Kalfaoglu To: thinkpad discussion list Subject: A20m Video Drivers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I was having troubles with my A20m's video drivers under WinME while playing Direct3D or Glide games (the machine freezes after x minutes of game play).. So, IBM suggested I upgrade my video drivers. Lo and behold, there WAS a newer driver available; so I installed that. Now my frame rate has gotten half to be what it was. Now, I only get a few frames per second in the first person shooter games. Yuck! Are our video options really limited to either: * crashes * runs slow ? Thanks, -turgut ----- Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Mon Oct 9 10:44:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA13867 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:44:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09908; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:41:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09198; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09184; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:41:20 -0400 Received: from tk-laptop (dialup16-r7.egenet.com.tr [212.175.201.208]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA01596; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:40:19 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200010091440.RAA01596@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Julian Thomas" Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:40:39 +0300 Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.90.3000) In-Reply-To: <200010091435.e99EYxU00161@lima.epix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: A20m Video Drivers List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 10:34:32 -0400, Julian Thomas wrote: > at 01:00 PM, Turgut Kalfaoglu typed: >>Are our video options really limited to either: >> * crashes >> * runs slow >No - mine is running nicely in OS2 with the SDD drivers! heh, you're right, SDD drivers are great; and OS/2 is rock solid. I have no crashes with my Thinkpad running OS/2 or Linux. Just some games insist on Windows, therefore, I needed to install WinME. Guess which OS causes the most headaches? -turgut ------------ EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Mon Oct 9 11:03:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA13940 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:03:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13158; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:00:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12782; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12754; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:00:09 -0400 Received: from tk-laptop (dialup16-r7.egenet.com.tr [212.175.201.208]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA02363 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:58:50 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200010091458.RAA02363@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:58:56 +0300 Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.90.3000) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Not happy with your display performance? List-Unsubscribe: ... try the http://www.scitechsoft.com scitech makes excellent display drivers.. I'm going to try it out on my A20m now! -turgut ------------ EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Mon Oct 9 11:06:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA13956 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:06:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13773; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:02:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13297; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13262; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.161 -> gtei2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:02:41 -0400 Received: from emendels (adsl-141-155-113-47.bellatlantic.net [141.155.113.47]) by gtei2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA10463 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003b01c03201$ece59980$010afea9@zd.com> From: "Edward Mendelson" To: Subject: Re: [TP old models] Any way to get USB on old ThinkPads? Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:02:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: John, As far as I can tell, there are plenty of USB-to-serial adapters that plug into a machine's USB port and provide a new serial port, but there don't seem to be any serial-to-USB adapters that plug into a machine's serial port and provide a new USB port. The same applies to parallel ports. Apparently, the technology simply doesn't allow it. I wish it did... Edward ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Small" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [TP old models] Any way to get USB on old ThinkPads? On Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:34:36 -0400, "Edward Mendelson" wrote: >Many thanks for any info. I searched about a month ago and was pointed to serial port to USB adapters. It was said they were faster than PC Card (pcmcia not CardBus) adapters. I have not searched them out. If you do, pls post back your results. Thanks. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Mon Oct 9 11:07:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA13960 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:07:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14145; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:03:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13593; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13580; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:03:48 -0400 Received: from emendels (adsl-141-155-113-47.bellatlantic.net [141.155.113.47]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA06199 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004401c03202$13eb8760$010afea9@zd.com> From: "Edward Mendelson" To: References: <200010090730.e997UqI19052@kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de> Subject: Re: [TP old models] Any way to get USB on old ThinkPads? Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:03:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Hello Sven, I'm afraid I can't find a parallel-to-USB adapter, though I've seen plenty of USB-to-parallel adapters! Will keep looking and will report if anything turns up. Edward ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sven Utcke" To: Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [TP old models] Any way to get USB on old ThinkPads? > > Hi Edward, > > > Has anyone found a way to get USB support on to old ThinkPads that > > don't have a USB port and that don't have Cardbus-enabled PC card > > slots? I've found a couple of PCCard-to-USB-port cards, but they > > require Cardbus support, which didn't get into ThinkPads until the > > 760s or thereabouts. > > I'm pretty sure I've seen USB ports that plug into the parallel port. > Not sure whether this could be an option for older Thinkpads (at least > bi-directional support would surely need to exist), nor what OS might > be supported (Win9x, no doubt, but as for Win NT/2000/Me, I don't know, > never mind OS/2 or Linux). Maybe an avenue worth exploring > > Sven > -- > _ __ The Cognitive Systems Group > | |/ /___ __ _ ___ University of Hamburg > | ' |_|\_\___/\__, /__/ fax : +49 (0)40 42883-2572 D-22527 Hamburg > |___/ http://kogs-www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~utcke/home.html From cph Mon Oct 9 11:23:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA14038 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:23:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16984; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:19:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16624; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot16.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16610; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot16.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.36 -> pilot16.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:19:08 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm659-46.dialip.mich.net [198.110.17.152]) by pilot16.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e99FJ5h51670 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:19:05 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001008111830.01fb3d10@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 11:19:35 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 365 Battery Sale In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20001008193302.01f5c4a0@pilot.msu.edu> <39DE690C.FC68C47D@iso.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Ouch.... You definitely should test the battery, then. If you haven't been using it, it is very likely that it can't hold much of a charge anymore. Do test it. --STeve Andre' At 01:43 AM 10/9/00 -0800, Mike Ford wrote: > >to provide better and worse results. If you need extras, at $19.95 I > >Thats the key, "need", at this point we never use this one except plugged >in (home or car), so I don't really even know the current battery condition. From cph Mon Oct 9 11:27:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA14058 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:27:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17550; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:21:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16951; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16905; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:20:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:20:58 -0400 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.57]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001009152057.OKVQ23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:20:57 +0000 Received: from [24.189.193.217] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:20:56 +0000 To: "Edward Mendelson" Cc: Subject: Re: [TP old models] Any way to get USB on old ThinkPads? Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:20:56 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: scosgt@att.net Message-Id: <20001009152057.OKVQ23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: USB is a PCI based interface, so if the older machine does not support CardBus or a PCI based docking solution, it probably can not be done. > John, > > As far as I can tell, there are plenty of USB-to-serial adapters that plug > into a machine's USB port and provide a new serial port, but there don't > seem to be any serial-to-USB adapters that plug into a machine's serial port > and provide a new USB port. The same applies to parallel ports. Apparently, > the technology simply doesn't allow it. I wish it did... > > Edward > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Small" > To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 8:54 PM > Subject: Re: [TP old models] Any way to get USB on old ThinkPads? > > > > On Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:34:36 -0400, "Edward Mendelson" > wrote: > > >Many thanks for any info. > > I searched about a month ago and was pointed to serial port to USB adapters. > It > was said they were faster than PC Card (pcmcia not CardBus) adapters. I > have > not searched them out. If you do, pls post back your results. > > Thanks. > > -jts > ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C > > From cph Mon Oct 9 11:46:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA14167 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:46:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21073; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:41:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20485; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20472; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (129.250.36.41 -> dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:41:30 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13if3Q-00039u-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:41:28 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.50] (helo=isdn30-50.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.161 #1) id 13if3P-0002hB-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:41:27 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: [TP old models] Any way to get USB on old ThinkPads? Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 10:40:39 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20001009152057.OKVQ23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <20001009152057.OKVQ23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA14168 On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:20:56 +0000, wrote: >USB is a PCI based interface, so if the older machine >does not support CardBus or a PCI based docking >solution, it probably can not be done. The 560 does have a docking port on the bottom of the case, toward the rear. However I would guess there is insufficient market incentive to market a USB connection to this port. Interesting thought though. Thanks. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Mon Oct 9 12:32:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA14431 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:32:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26566; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:24:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26117; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25891; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.4 -> mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:23:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 20176 invoked by alias); 9 Oct 2000 16:23:29 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 20167 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2000 16:23:29 -0000 Received: from dialupu92.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (207.109.17.92) by mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 9 Oct 2000 16:23:29 -0000 Message-ID: <007f01c0320d$52018990$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: References: Subject: 365XD Battery issue Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:23:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: On the topic of batteries and such: I've got a ThinkPad 365XD and it does not behave well on battery power. Or rather, it behaves as is everything is fine until it shuts off. There is no warning of low power, no attempt to suspend or hibernate, just a quiet powering off. It does this on three different batteries; two IBM and one Xtend. Have any of you experienced anything like this? Thanks, Chris From cph Mon Oct 9 12:44:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA14492 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:44:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29008; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:40:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28592; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28534; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.4 -> mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:40:18 -0400 Received: (qmail 21973 invoked by alias); 9 Oct 2000 16:40:00 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 21758 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2000 16:39:53 -0000 Received: from dialupu92.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (207.109.17.92) by mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 9 Oct 2000 16:39:53 -0000 Message-ID: <009201c0320f$9db4e470$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: , "Edward Mendelson" Cc: References: <20001009152057.OKVQ23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: [TP old models] Any way to get USB on old ThinkPads? Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:40:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: USB is not a PCI interface. It may be that the current USB chipsets require PCI, but USB itself does not. I'm certain, for example, that USB scanners do not have PCI busses in them to support the USB interface. Most computers have them because the PCI chipset includes them for free. So, someone could indeed design a serial- or parallel to USB device, but it would be limited to the speed of the port, and the market is probably pretty small. I think we'll see a non-CardBus USB PCMCIA card soon, given that you can buy 100Mbps ethernet cards, and those cannot sustain the full data rate because they are limited to ISA bus speeds. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Edward Mendelson" Cc: Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [TP old models] Any way to get USB on old ThinkPads? > USB is a PCI based interface, so if the older machine > does not support CardBus or a PCI based docking > solution, it probably can not be done. > > John, > > > > As far as I can tell, there are plenty of USB-to-serial adapters that plug > > into a machine's USB port and provide a new serial port, but there don't > > seem to be any serial-to-USB adapters that plug into a machine's serial port > > and provide a new USB port. The same applies to parallel ports. Apparently, > > the technology simply doesn't allow it. I wish it did... > > > > Edward > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Small" > > To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" > > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 8:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [TP old models] Any way to get USB on old ThinkPads? > > > > > > > > On Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:34:36 -0400, "Edward Mendelson" > > wrote: > > > > >Many thanks for any info. > > > > I searched about a month ago and was pointed to serial port to USB adapters. > > It > > was said they were faster than PC Card (pcmcia not CardBus) adapters. I > > have > > not searched them out. If you do, pls post back your results. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -jts > > ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C > > > > > From cph Mon Oct 9 13:06:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA14619 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:06:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02853; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:59:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02294; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot20.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02278; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot20.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.40 -> pilot20.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:59:22 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm659-46.dialip.mich.net [198.110.17.152]) by pilot20.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e99GxIG02924 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:59:18 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001008125601.02b081d0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 12:59:47 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: [TP old models] Any way to get USB on old ThinkPads? In-Reply-To: <009201c0320f$9db4e470$1000a8c0@cschumann> References: <20001009152057.OKVQ23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: USB isn't a PCI interface exactly, but if the chipsets on laptops use PCI glue logic (and also software) to interface to it, then I think that implies that software that looked like USB on the API end but was different on the inside would have to be created. USB isn't fast enough for a 100Mbps NIC, either. The next revision of USB is supposed to go to up something like 500Mbps, but the current maxs out at I think 12Mbps, so I don't think we'll see many 100Mbps USB NICs 'till the next spec for USB comes out, which of course won't help all of us with the current USBcards. At 11:40 AM 10/9/00 -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: >USB is not a PCI interface. It may be that the current USB chipsets >require PCI, but USB itself does not. I'm certain, for example, that >USB scanners do not have PCI busses in them to support the USB interface. >Most computers have them because the PCI chipset includes them for free. > >So, someone could indeed design a serial- or parallel to USB device, >but it would be limited to the speed of the port, and the market is >probably pretty small. > >I think we'll see a non-CardBus USB PCMCIA card soon, given that you >can buy 100Mbps ethernet cards, and those cannot sustain the full >data rate because they are limited to ISA bus speeds. > >Chris > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "Edward Mendelson" >Cc: >Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 10:20 AM >Subject: Re: [TP old models] Any way to get USB on old ThinkPads? > > > > USB is a PCI based interface, so if the older machine > > does not support CardBus or a PCI based docking > > solution, it probably can not be done. > > > John, > > > > > > As far as I can tell, there are plenty of USB-to-serial adapters that >plug > > > into a machine's USB port and provide a new serial port, but there >don't > > > seem to be any serial-to-USB adapters that plug into a machine's >serial port > > > and provide a new USB port. The same applies to parallel ports. >Apparently, > > > the technology simply doesn't allow it. I wish it did... > > > > > > Edward > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Small" > > > To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" > > > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 8:54 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TP old models] Any way to get USB on old ThinkPads? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:34:36 -0400, "Edward Mendelson" > > > wrote: > > > > > > >Many thanks for any info. > > > > > > I searched about a month ago and was pointed to serial port to USB >adapters. > > > It > > > was said they were faster than PC Card (pcmcia not CardBus) adapters. >I > > > have > > > not searched them out. If you do, pls post back your results. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > -jts > > > ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C > > > > > > > > From cph Mon Oct 9 13:30:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA14724 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:30:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06410; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:25:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05832; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05760; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:24:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (63.211.172.64 -> m1.boston.juno.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:24:43 -0400 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Z4sRmP4V5DZKhyOUz4u6Nn22oDuEL4G1pZDDgmuVJgDZoeix8L7p2w=="> Received: (from evenmere@juno.com) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FKX3TRGQ; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 13:23:18 EDT To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:24:30 -0500 Subject: Thinkpad pen tablet Message-ID: <20001009.122431.-1905297.5.evenmere@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-7 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 List-Unsubscribe: I recently acquired a Thinkpad 730T pen tablet. I bought a Antec DataChute PCMCIA card reader for my desktop so I could access the Thinkpad 105MB PCMCIA Hard Disk card to load software, etc. My desktop 'sees' the Hard Disk card on the Device Manager, but apparently I am lacking the necessary hard disk drivers. Can anyone tell me where I could find these puppies? I've been searching the IBM site, but little mention is made of the 730T. Thanks. James Stoddard From cph Mon Oct 9 13:45:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA14819 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:45:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08629; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:40:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08300; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08282; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (24.1.227.2 -> cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:40:48 -0400 Received: (from rutledge@localhost) by cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA16682; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:40:30 -0700 From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:40:30 -0700 To: evenmere@juno.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad pen tablet Message-ID: <20001009104029.F13702@cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com> References: <20001009.122431.-1905297.5.evenmere@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001009.122431.-1905297.5.evenmere@juno.com>; from evenmere@juno.com on Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 12:24:30PM -0500 List-Unsubscribe: I've got a 730T page at http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud/730T/ I don't do Windows, so can't directly answer, but there are some links to other 730T sites that might have the answer; and if you figure it out, feel free to add the info to my Wiki (it's an editable web site). On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 12:24:30PM -0500, evenmere@juno.com wrote: > I recently acquired a Thinkpad 730T pen tablet. I bought a Antec > DataChute PCMCIA card reader for my desktop so I could access the > Thinkpad 105MB PCMCIA Hard Disk card to load software, etc. My desktop > 'sees' the Hard Disk card on the Device Manager, but apparently I am > lacking the necessary hard disk drivers. Can anyone tell me where I > could find these puppies? I've been searching the IBM site, but little > mention is made of the 730T. Thanks. > > James Stoddard -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ Free long distance at http://www.bigredwire.com/me/RefTrack?id=USA063420 From cph Mon Oct 9 17:44:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA16559 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:44:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04850; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:38:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04003; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0u.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03965; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0u.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.50 -> www0u.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:38:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 18272 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Oct 2000 21:37:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20001009213741.18271.qmail@www0u.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.50 by www0u for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Mon Oct 9 21:37:41 GMT 2000 Date: 9 Oct 00 16:37:41 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Warranty Critique X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id RAA16560 Just an FYI on IBM's warranty service as it pertains to my failed 600X hard drive... To recap: I have had my 600X for about a month and I experienced my first ever catastrophic hard drive failure on Friday. I called IBM (800-772-2227) and they were more than happy to ship me a replacement HD. Problem was, the 12GB HD that I had was on backorder and there was no projected arrival date. There was another 12GB substitute, but the shipment wasn't even anticipated in until 10/16 (that's an eternity to be without a main system). Well, when I called back the first time to see what other options there were, the tech was nice, but didn't seem to offer any other choices. He kept saying they could only do a warranty replacement with the exact FRU#. Finally after my persistence he said he'd check to see if another model/size could be subbed. He called later to say that they could get me a 10GB if I really needed it. That was a reasonable alternative, but certainly not what I wanted. I called back again later and kindly explained the situation to another tech. After explaining things I kindly asked if there were any other options or if I could speak to a supervisor. She said she'd find one. A couple minutes later she came back and said the super wanted her to check for upgrades. Another minute and she came back to tell me they had an 18GB available and it could ship today! The moral: A little persistence and a nice attitude on my part paid off big. I not only got a part sooner but it was bigger/better too. I think that was pretty good service. Of course, none of it would have been necessary if the HD hadn't crapped out in the first place... Overall... a happy ending. Now that I've had my turn at a failed HD, maybe I can go another 12+ years of heavy computer use without another one! Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Mon Oct 9 17:45:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA16571 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:45:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05123; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:41:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04641; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.aros.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04457; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:40:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.aros.net (207.173.16.20 -> mail.aros.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:41:01 -0400 Received: from kalynda (dm8-142.slc.aros.net [207.173.24.142]) by mail.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA64436 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:40:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200010092140.PAA64436@mail.aros.net> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:36:57 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: The curse of the thin thinkpad. Inquiry #2 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: The IBM site seems to indicate no support for W95 on a 760E? Sounds unreasonable, but the files are all W98, NT, or Warp. True or false? If false, where are the drivers for W95 on the 760?? Thanks, John From cph Mon Oct 9 17:45:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA16581 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:45:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04854; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:37:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03976; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.aros.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03955; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:37:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.aros.net (207.173.16.20 -> mail.aros.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:37:41 -0400 Received: from kalynda (dm8-142.slc.aros.net [207.173.24.142]) by mail.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA63545 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:37:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200010092137.PAA63545@mail.aros.net> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:34:11 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: The curse of the thin thinkpad. Inquiry? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: Folks, Mine is a 760E, thin model, as in 9.5mm hd and no CD in the case. The floppy has given up the ghost, and before I run out and get a new one, or a used one from ebay, is there a difference between floppy drive sizes the same as there is with the HD, or will any floppy drive from a 760 model do the job? Any chance that the floppy drives are the same as any other thinkpad model? Thank you. There is another question to come :-) John From cph Mon Oct 9 19:17:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA17127 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:17:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14698; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:12:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14114; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14080; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010092311.TAA14080@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:12:00 -0400 Received: from ingw129-37-108-18.nj.us.prserv.net ([129.37.108.18]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000100923114825202q68ete>; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:11:49 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" , "jbrush@aros.net" Cc: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Date: Mon, 09 Oct 00 19:11:47 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: The curse of the thin thinkpad. Inquiry? List-Unsubscribe: I have both the thin and thick versions. The same floppy works in both. Note that there were apparently at least two builds (according to my friendly IBM tech in Bangkok). One is fragile, the other robust. I bought a bunch for spares from for $25 each. Jeffrey Race On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:34:11 -0600, jbrush@aros.net wrote: >Folks, > >Mine is a 760E, thin model, as in 9.5mm hd and no CD in the case. > >The floppy has given up the ghost, and before I run out and get a new one, >or a used one from ebay, is there a difference between floppy drive sizes >the same as there is with the HD, or will any floppy drive from a 760 >model do the job? Any chance that the floppy drives are the same as any >other thinkpad model? > >Thank you. There is another question to come :-) > >John > From cph Mon Oct 9 19:20:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA17170 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:20:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14890; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:14:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14541; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14517; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010092314.TAA14517@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:14:41 -0400 Received: from ingw129-37-108-18.nj.us.prserv.net ([129.37.108.18]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000100923142625200i6ikke>; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:14:26 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Rob Bell" Date: Mon, 09 Oct 00 19:14:25 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Warranty Critique List-Unsubscribe: On 9 Oct 00 16:37:41 CDT, Rob Bell wrote: >The moral: A little persistence and a nice attitude on my part paid off I had the same experience with Adobe. After months of being told they would not sell me a particular product ("no longer available") I fell on my knees to a supervisor who was kind enough to sell me what I begged for. Jeffrey Race From cph Mon Oct 9 20:19:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA17518 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:19:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21488; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:14:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20938; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20848; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:13:50 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a32.pm3-16.theriver.com [208.164.96.144]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E084D25CA3; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:13:37 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39E25F27.BD404EB5@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:13:27 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jbrush@aros.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: The curse of the thin thinkpad. Inquiry #2 References: <200010092140.PAA64436@mail.aros.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I would guess they are still at the IBM Thinkpad Matrices site... where just last Wednesday I downloaded a complete set of files and upgrades for Windows 95 and also for Windows 3.10... They have a separate section for each Thinkpad... and there are at lease two different sections for Thinkpad 760's... I doubt they would have been removed since then. Ray From cph Mon Oct 9 20:20:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA17537 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:20:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21480; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:15:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21012; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20913; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:14:56 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-8-39.phl.magpage.com [216.155.33.144]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA21202; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:14:30 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , Subject: RE: The curse of the thin thinkpad. Inquiry #2 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:20:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200010092140.PAA64436@mail.aros.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Have you looked here? http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3PGTDY.html There's plenty of W95 drivers listed, what in particular are you looking for? HTH, James > -----Original Message----- > From: jbrush@aros.net [mailto:jbrush@aros.net] > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 4:37 PM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: The curse of the thin thinkpad. Inquiry #2 > > > The IBM site seems to indicate no support for W95 on a 760E? > > Sounds unreasonable, but the files are all W98, NT, or Warp. > > True or false? If false, where are the drivers for W95 on the 760?? > > Thanks, > > John From cph Tue Oct 10 03:45:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA19752 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 03:45:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17284; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 03:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 03:32:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16880; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 03:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16867; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 03:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 03:32:44 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-30.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.30]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9A7We931600; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:32:41 -0700 Message-ID: <39E2C610.AF68D474@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 02:32:32 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jbrush@aros.net CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: The curse of the thin thinkpad. Inquiry? References: <200010092137.PAA63545@mail.aros.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: jbrush@aros.net wrote: > > Folks, > > Mine is a 760E, thin model, as in 9.5mm hd and no CD in the case. > > The floppy has given up the ghost, and before I run out and get a new one, > or a used one from ebay, is there a difference between floppy drive sizes > the same as there is with the HD, or will any floppy drive from a 760 > model do the job? Any chance that the floppy drives are the same as any > other thinkpad model? I believe any floppy will do. I bought a 2.88MB floppy drive awhile back and it fits in the thin Thinkpad 760's that couldn't take a CD. It also fit the 755-series too. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Oct 10 14:30:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA23611 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:30:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15619; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:17:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14575; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14559; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:17:01 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13j3ww-00063h-00; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:16:26 +0000 Received: from [63.64.41.51] (helo=63pc51.hillsboro.net) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.161 #1) id 13j3wv-0001Qa-00; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:16:25 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Cc: Michelle Grimes Subject: [560] Where to find used 560? Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:15:57 -0500 Message-ID: <64n6uso2dr6nvegcjivtdl9296ogf27c55@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA23612 Where are the usual places one might look for a nice used 560 E or X model? Thanks. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Tue Oct 10 15:10:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA24001 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:10:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20975; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:01:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20647; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20634; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:01:25 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA19637; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:01:19 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001901c032ec$79b43de0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Cc: "John Small" References: <64n6uso2dr6nvegcjivtdl9296ogf27c55@4ax.com> Subject: Re: [560] Where to find used 560? Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:01:19 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I bought my 560X last August from someone on eBay who does a lot of off-lease sales (http://www.gdgsinc.com, uses the eBay eaddress sei.inc@techhead.com). The seller is a bit flaky and slow in answering email, but the machine arrived in perfect condition. Other places - especially if a warrantee is important to you - is IBM direct; they publish their stock daily at http://commerce-03.www.ibm.com/icc/retail.PDF (and don't show and 560s right now, but it is worth checking daily). They also sell through egghead.com; if you see a machine you want at egghead, look carefully at the description to make sure that its is being sold by IBM and not another reseller (look at the warrantee information on the product description). www.affordablecomputers.com had a 560Z in stock when I was looking but it wasn't as affordable as I would have liked. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Small" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Cc: "Michelle Grimes" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:15 AM Subject: [560] Where to find used 560? > Where are the usual places one might look for a nice used 560 E or X model? > > Thanks. > > -jts > ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C > From cph Tue Oct 10 15:48:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA24304 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:48:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26108; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:41:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25629; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25616; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:41:56 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip129-37-224-169.mo.us.prserv.net [129.37.224.169]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9AJfp906149; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:41:52 -0700 Message-ID: <39E370F9.76C62CEC@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:41:45 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Small CC: ThinkPad Mailing List , Michelle Grimes Subject: Re: [560] Where to find used 560? References: <64n6uso2dr6nvegcjivtdl9296ogf27c55@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John Small wrote: > > Where are the usual places one might look for a nice used 560 E or X model? I got my 560X on Ebay for $450 awhile back. Look for Dutch auctions, you'll get the best deal on those. There's a lot less competition on the Dutch auctions. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Oct 10 16:12:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA24509 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:12:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29496; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:00:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28650; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28617; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:00:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA35315; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:05:37 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com To: David Ross cc: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" , John Small Subject: Re: [560] Where to find used 560? In-Reply-To: <001901c032ec$79b43de0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, David Ross wrote: > > Other places - especially if a warrantee is important to you - is IBM direct; > they publish their stock daily at > http://commerce-03.www.ibm.com/icc/retail.PDF (and don't show and 560s right > now, but it is worth checking daily). > They also sell through egghead.com; if you see a machine you want at egghead, > look carefully at the description to make sure that its is being sold by IBM > and not another reseller (look at the warrantee information on the product > description). Just a quick caution about buying from egghead.com: I recently tried to PURCHASE (not bid) on an item listed on egghead.com At first, the order was accepted and pending shipment from the warehouse. Then they updated their web site to indicate that they were forced to cancel the sale due to "inventory descrepancies". No e-mail was sent to me directly, but they did update the order status screen on the web site. They also indicated that they would refund my $105 that they had charged to my credit card and promptly did credit me $2! (Note the shortage.) I called to indicate that I'd rather wait for the item to be backordered. The CSR indicated that they would not be getting any more of the item in the future and therefore backorder was not possible. She indicated that the item was probably being discontinued by the manufacturer and therefore I should find another solution. (This information was bogus. Keep reading) I inquired about the shortage on the credit and was told it must have been a human error (HAH!) and that it would be taken care of shortly. Another two days and they finally did post the credit for $103. Later, they again updated the order status web page to indicate that the item had been mispriced and therefore they were unable to honor any orders at the original price. They also indicated that the order had been cancelled at my "REQUEST" (again, bogus information). In summary, they mispriced the item, charged my credit card, cancelled the order, refunded only a small portion of what was charged (I had to REQUEST the balance of the refund), changed their story, posted known false information (ie, lied to me) and offered no appology for the entire screw-up. A friend who ordered the same item at the same time sat silently for 12 days, hoping that they'd make another error and actually ship the product to him. After 12 days they finally cancelled his order and refunded his money. Again, with no appology. You can buy from egghead.com if you want, but I don't think I'll be doing much business with them in the future. -- David Goldman From cph Tue Oct 10 17:12:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA24965 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:12:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06969; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:59:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06431; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06411; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:59:45 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a28.pm3-26.theriver.com [208.164.102.92]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A537925D9E; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:59:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39E3832B.BFE8F35D@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:59:23 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: [560] Where to find used 560? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Expect Egghead to be second rate, for sometimes astounding prices. I have purchased 347 items on Egghead with only two bad experiences... but Egghead is not for the weak of heart... you should really watch how it works for a couple of weeks before you take the plunge... Egghead has eventually corrected every error, which the previous company, Onsale, seldom did. There are three very bad vendors that sell laptops on Egghead... If you don't know the equipment, stay away... Be prepared to act quickly when you discover a problem. On average, I have saved a huge amount over what I have spent on the IBM refurb site or any other location. But I am a much meaner guy than when I made that first bid. From cph Tue Oct 10 18:02:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA25352 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:02:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13496; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:49:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13018; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12996; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:49:33 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA20442; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:49:27 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001401c03303$f6d13c80$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "David Goldman" Cc: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" , "John Small" References: Subject: Re: [560] Where to find used 560? Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:49:27 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > Just a quick caution about buying from egghead.com: [rest deleted] I have had a couple of very similar experiences with egghead, especially with stock status changing to "we no longer carry this" after accepting an order. I classify this as an aggravation but not a disaster. Even worse is when they are acting as a broker to some other company (e.g., Royal Computers/Utobia) and the latter is sleazy. However, when IBM is selling items - either as a "superstore" or in an online auction - then in my experience it is safe, and one can save enough money to make using the middleman worthwhile. (Ditto with items sold on egghead by compgeeks.com, BTW.) - David R. From cph Tue Oct 10 18:29:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA25549 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:29:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17016; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:20:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16360; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mailserver249 (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16315; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mailserver249 (12.30.178.249 -> mailserver249.halfpricehosting.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:20:43 -0400 Received: from snapper3 [203.97.49.215] by Mailserver249 with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.03) id A7EB1E90152; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:27:55 -0400 From: "Will Lau" To: "Ray Bay" , Subject: RE: The speed of the 30 Gig Drives Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:20:38 +1300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <39DE1D52.F3AF86C1@theriver.com> List-Unsubscribe: I just did a comparison of the IBM drives on paper. The 20Gig and 30Gig drives have the same track density and RPM and essentially exactly the same performance. 12GB -> 20GB/30GB about a 20% speed inc. 20GB/30GB -> 32GB about a 15% speed inc. From cph Tue Oct 10 18:59:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA25844 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:59:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19599; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:53:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19294; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop3.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19271; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop3.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.3 -> mail.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:53:24 -0400 Received: (qmail 591 invoked by alias); 10 Oct 2000 22:53:08 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 568 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2000 22:53:08 -0000 Received: from sttl6400gw3poola2.sttl.uswest.net (HELO jmcjr) (63.225.173.2) by mail.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 22:53:08 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001010155506.007b5d10@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:55:06 -0700 To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" From: Not Me Subject: Beware of ChaseShop.com (was Re: [560] Where to find used 560 In-Reply-To: <001401c03303$f6d13c80$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I did a search on CNET looking for the elusive Port 640BLK CD-ROM drive case for my ThinkPad 600E. ChaseShop claimed to have the item in stock on CNET and still does this minute as I write this. After placing my order at the ChaseShop.com Web site, which means filling out the forms for billing and shipping address and providing a credit card number, I received an e-mail regarding my order that contained the following paragraph at the bottom. >Please note that this Order Confirmation is not an acceptance or contract. >Further note that ChaseShop.com shall not be liable for any failure to perform >due to causes beyond the reasonable control of ChaseShop.com. These causes >shall include, without limitation to, acts of God, acts or omissions of >customer or any third party, delays in transportation or inability to obtain >necessary labor, materials or supplies. We also reserve the right not to >fulfill the order at our sole discretion. This immediately raised a red flag. The above paragraph IMO is nothing but a collection of "weasel words." Lo and behold, the next day I received an e-mail message from ChaseShop.com tat said: >Order #: 168763 >The item below you recently ordered on ChaseShop.com is not currently >available. In order to spare you unnecessary or prolonged delays, we have >cancelled the specific item(s) from your total order. Please Note: You will >receive additional emails for any other items in your order indicating if they >have been shipped or cancelled. >Item: Large Accessory Pouch Carrying Case for CD-Rom or HD >Qty: 3 Fortunately, I did not order any other items. I have since confirmed with ChaseShop.com that there is no way for the customer to confirm on the ChaseShop.com Web site whether or not a given product is available before going through the (to me onerous) process of placing an order. On a brighter note, I ordered the elusive ThinkPad 600 Ultraslimbay hard drive adapter from Solutions4SURE.com and received an e-mail message with this welcome subject heading. >Subject: Hi John, we shipped your order #B00105532 This e-mail message from Solutions4SURE.com also contains a link to UPS for tracking the shipment. So, I guess the score is one to one. I've eliminated one supplier, ChaseShop.com, and found a new supplier, Solutions4SURE.com. This is my first order with Solutions4SURE.com. It probably won't be my last. Let's see, does Solutions4SURE.com have the elusive Port 640BLK CD-ROM drive case? Regards, John aka Not Me From cph Tue Oct 10 19:02:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA25875 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:02:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20088; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:57:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19655; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19563; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (199.224.64.57 -> bean.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:56:59 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp49.epix.net [199.224.125.49]) by bean.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000080901/PL) with SMTP id e9AMugM13095; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010102256.e9AMugM13095@bean.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:53:07 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, discussion@possi.org Subject: Thinkpad on and off the network X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2a/20 List-Unsubscribe: This is probably an old problem that has been discussed in the past, but I've just managed to rediscover it with my new thinkpad A20m that I've plugged in to my home LAN. Under OS2 (Warp 4, FP12 and corresponding other fixes from warpup CD), if I'm not at home, and there's no network connection, config.sys hangs up and says network is not reachable - requires pressing enter to get past this. Is there an easy way to handle this Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde existence? another question - what about SUSPEND. If I suspend, pull the NIC, and then resume, am I in trouble? tnx -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- Never insult an alligator until you've crossed the river. From cph Tue Oct 10 20:43:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA26424 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:43:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27552; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:37:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27086; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27034; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (199.224.64.57 -> bean.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:37:02 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp80.epix.net [199.224.125.80]) by bean.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000080901/PL) with SMTP id e9B0arT28374 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010110036.e9B0arT28374@bean.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:33:46 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20001010155506.007b5d10@pop.goamerica.net> Subject: Re: Beware of ChaseShop.com (was Re: [560] Where to find used 560 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2a/20 List-Unsubscribe: In <3.0.5.32.20001010155506.007b5d10@pop.goamerica.net>, on 10/10/00 at 03:55 PM, Not Me typed: >I did a search on CNET looking for the elusive Port 640BLK CD-ROM drive >case for my ThinkPad 600E. >ChaseShop claimed to have the item in stock on CNET and still does this >minute as I write this. If I were in this situation, I'd certainly register a loud complaint with CNET. Any feedback you get from them - please post. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes. From cph Tue Oct 10 22:00:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA26935 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:00:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04387; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:56:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03875; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03862; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010110156.VAA03862@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:56:02 -0400 Received: from slip-129-37-99-205.tx.us.prserv.net ([129.37.99.205]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000101101555025200lrqlbe>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:55:51 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Cc: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 00 21:25:31 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: The 600E is here! List-Unsubscribe: Questions please: 1-Does this unit have an internal mic? Not in the spec. If so, can anyone suggest a way to use it or test it? (E.g. VoIP or something like that? Could I call someone?) I have Win98 and OS/2. 2-DVD--problem! The instructions say the decoder must be configured for one of 6 world regions. Since I commute from Boston to Bangkok, and from time to time travel to Europe, so expect to have DVDs for multiple regions, what do I do to be able to read from multiple regions? Also, the manual warns that if the first disk played is from the wrong region, something terrible will happen requiring a "recovery" procedure. What is this? (Sounds like some horrific reinstall-- I need the horrid details before taking the risk.) I have a DVD to try, but it does not indicate a region. The decoder instructions say the region code will be on the packaging but it is not. 3-Where can I easily get the audio output cable? (I.e. can anyone provide me vendor and p/n from sources in USA e.g. Radio Shack, MCM et al.?) Thanks for all help. More questions sure to follow. Jeffrey Race From cph Tue Oct 10 22:00:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA26939 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:00:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04801; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:57:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04228; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from isc.freei.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04196; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010110157.VAA04196@cs.utk.edu> Received: from isc.freei.net (216.225.0.75) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:57:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 66417 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2000 01:57:48 -0000 Received: from localhost.freei.net (HELO emc6.freei.net) (nobody@127.0.0.1) by localhost.freei.net with SMTP; 11 Oct 2000 01:57:48 -0000 X-Freei-Sender: localhost.freei.net Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rusty Lingenfelter X-Originating-Ip: 207.172.11.148 Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Rusty Lingenfelter Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 1:57:46 GMT X-Mailer: EMUmail 4.5 Subject: Help! I'm cheap and I can't read the digest! X-Webmail-User: lingenfr@va.freei.net List-Unsubscribe: I just started using freei.com for my email and I can't read the list (Digest). I get a message with a bunch of RFC822 attachments and they are all the same message. Whats up with that? Is anyone successfully using freei to read the Digest? Thanks. Rusty From cph Tue Oct 10 22:00:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA26951 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:00:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04651; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:57:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04136; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04120; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (64.4.8.87 -> oe30.law9.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:57:44 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:57:26 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [63.53.176.20] Reply-To: "Eugene Iwasa" From: "Eugene Iwasa" To: Subject: TP240 power supply for sale Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:57:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2000 01:57:26.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AB682C0:01C03326] List-Unsubscribe: I have a TP240 56W ultraslim AC adapter (part # 02k6543: same as 02k6545) for sale. I have used it for about five months and it is in excellent condition. Please contact me if you are interested. By the way I live in California (for shipping considerations). Eugene From cph Tue Oct 10 22:24:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA27093 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:24:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07766; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:22:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07504; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07491; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.77 -> pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:22:10 -0400 Received: from CHUCK (adsl-63-201-80-202.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.201.80.202]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9B2M8p40806 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:22:09 -0400 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:21:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The 600E is here! Reply-to: chuck@ccncn.org Message-ID: <39E36C55.6544.180FB6@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200010110156.VAA03862@cs.utk.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: On 10 Oct 2000, at 21:25, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote: > Questions please: > > 1-Does this unit have an internal mic? Yes. > Not in the spec. If so, > can anyone suggest a way to use it or test it? (E.g. VoIP or > something like that? Could I call someone?) I have Win98 and OS/2. You could simply use Sound Recorder to test the microphone. FYI, I had trouble with mine before changing the Recording Properties to the Crystal Fusion Sound Driver; the machine came with the Crystal MixerMMX enabled by default and that wouldn't work. To get there, click on the little speaker icon in your tray, then Options, then Properties then Recording > > 2-DVD--problem! The instructions say the decoder must be configured > for one of 6 world regions. Since I commute from Boston to > Bangkok, and from time to time travel to Europe, so expect to have > DVDs for multiple regions, what do I do to be able to read from > multiple regions? I don't think you can. Unless someone knows a hack. > > Also, the manual warns that if the first disk played is from the > wrong region, something terrible will happen requiring a "recovery" > procedure. What is this? (Sounds like some horrific reinstall-- > I need the horrid details before taking the risk.) It means that you will have to use the Recovery CD in order to get an operable machine again, thus erasing all your data. Not sure how that works, but you'll have to agree it's a pretty dire threat > > I have a DVD to try, but it does not indicate a region. The > decoder instructions say the region code will be on the packaging > but it is not. > > 3-Where can I easily get the audio output cable? (I.e. can anyone > provide me vendor and p/n from sources in USA e.g. Radio Shack, > MCM et al.?) Don't know. Enjoy. It's a great machine. From cph Tue Oct 10 22:36:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA27173 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:36:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09581; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:33:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09043; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08995; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:33:36 -0400 Received: from 205.chicago-18-19rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.155.205]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001011023329.HVKR18564.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@205.chicago-18-19rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:33:29 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: The 600E is here! Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:33:26 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39eacf99.125796064@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <200010110156.VAA03862@cs.utk.edu> In-Reply-To: <200010110156.VAA03862@cs.utk.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA27174 On Tue, 10 Oct 00 21:25:31 +0700, you wrote: >Questions please: > >1-Does this unit have an internal mic? Not in the spec. If so, > can anyone suggest a way to use it or test it? (E.g. VoIP or > something like that? Could I call someone?) I have Win98 and OS/2. The microphone is on the keyboard bezel, to the right of the "power on" LED. > >2-DVD--problem! The instructions say the decoder must be configured > for one of 6 world regions. Since I commute from Boston to > Bangkok, and from time to time travel to Europe, so expect to have > DVDs for multiple regions, what do I do to be able to read from > multiple regions? The 600E uses software DVD decoding, and there are hacks for that - there is a utility called DVDGenie for this at http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/support/region.html. > > Also, the manual warns that if the first disk played is from the > wrong region, something terrible will happen requiring a "recovery" > procedure. What is this? (Sounds like some horrific reinstall-- > I need the horrid details before taking the risk.) I don't know, I've never tried this. > > I have a DVD to try, but it does not indicate a region. The > decoder instructions say the region code will be on the packaging > but it is not. Learn your regions, an important thing to do if you're really a world traveler. If you bought the disc in North America, it's Region 1. >3-Where can I easily get the audio output cable? (I.e. can anyone > provide me vendor and p/n from sources in USA e.g. Radio Shack, > MCM et al.?) You lost me here. Do you mean a video out cable, or something to connect to the headphone jack for audio output? Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Tue Oct 10 22:41:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA27222 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:41:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10760; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:38:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10356; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10322; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:38:18 -0400 Received: from 205.chicago-18-19rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.155.205]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001011023817.PQYM22058.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@205.chicago-18-19rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:38:17 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: Subject: Re: TP240 power supply for sale Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:38:14 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39ebd211.126428564@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA27223 On Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:57:38 -0700, you wrote: >I have a TP240 56W ultraslim AC adapter (part # 02k6543: same as 02k6545) >for sale. I have used it for about five months and it is in excellent >condition. You've got a broader market for this than you mention; it would be wiser to say you've got the 56W Ultraslim AC adapter, which is compatible with several other Thinkpad models (the 600 series, for example). Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Tue Oct 10 22:54:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA27327 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:54:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12402; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:49:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12174; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12160; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:49:37 -0400 Received: from 205.chicago-18-19rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.155.205]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001011024928.SBMZ22244.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@205.chicago-18-19rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:49:28 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Beware of ChaseShop.com (was Re: [560] Where to find used 560 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:49:26 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39ecd2fa.126661619@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20001010155506.007b5d10@pop.goamerica.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20001010155506.007b5d10@pop.goamerica.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA27328 Just a quick "thanks" to John and a heads-up to other IBM 600 owners on the list for mentioning this adapter at solutions4sure.com. The ultraslim hard drive adapter is at http://www.solutions4sure.com/Product.asp?ProductID=47672 and they're selling it for $30.99. Haste is in order, by the way - in the time it took me to place my order, the "in stock" count went from 149 to 90! Unless you want to get yours on eBay in a week, I suggest you get moving. Emanuel On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:55:06 -0700, you wrote: >On a brighter note, I ordered the elusive ThinkPad 600 Ultraslimbay >hard drive adapter from Solutions4SURE.com and received an e-mail >message with this welcome subject heading. > >>Subject: Hi John, we shipped your order #B00105532 > >This e-mail message from Solutions4SURE.com also contains a link to >UPS for tracking the shipment. > >So, I guess the score is one to one. I've eliminated one supplier, >ChaseShop.com, and found a new supplier, Solutions4SURE.com. This is >my first order with Solutions4SURE.com. It probably won't be my last. >Let's see, does Solutions4SURE.com have the elusive Port 640BLK >CD-ROM drive case? "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Tue Oct 10 23:01:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA27368 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:01:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14024; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:57:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13555; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13542; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.101 -> pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:57:51 -0400 Received: from CHUCK (adsl-63-201-80-202.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.201.80.202]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9B2vkg96948 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:57:46 -0400 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:57:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Source of 600E HD Adapters (Was Beware of ChaseShop.com (was Re: [560] Where to find used 560 Reply-to: chuck@ccncn.org Message-ID: <39E374AE.23375.38AAFC@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <39ecd2fa.126661619@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20001010155506.007b5d10@pop.goamerica.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: On 11 Oct 2000, at 2:49, Emanuel Brown wrote: > Just a quick "thanks" to John and a heads-up to other IBM 600 > owners on the list for mentioning this adapter at solutions4sure.com. > The ultraslim hard drive adapter is at > http://www.solutions4sure.com/Product.asp?ProductID=47672 and they're > selling it for $30.99. > Haste is in order, by the way - in the time it took me to place my > order, the "in stock" count went from 149 to 90! Unless you want to > get yours on eBay in a week, I suggest you get moving. IBM itself also has these for $29.00 http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi- bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?cntrfnbr=1&prmenbr=1&prnbr=05K 5336&cntry=840&lang=en_US From cph Tue Oct 10 23:28:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA27500 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:28:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17126; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:24:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16374; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16360; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (64.4.8.118 -> oe14.law9.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:24:17 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:24:15 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [63.53.176.20] Reply-To: "Eugene Iwasa" From: "Eugene Iwasa" To: Subject: FS: 56W ultraslim AC adapter and other TP240 parts Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 01:24:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2000 03:24:15.0945 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBDB0B90:01C03332] List-Unsubscribe: For sale: AC adapter (56W Ultraslim AC adapter), standard battery, and 128 MB RAM upgrade for TP240. The AC adapter is 5 months old and in excellent condition. The standard battery came with the TP240 that I purchased new in March. I normally get about an hour and a half from each charge (I've never timed it but it's more than one hour and less than two hours). I bought the RAM upgrade when I bought the laptop from Crucial. I am selling these items because I recently dropped my 240 and broke the screen, so I will only be using my 240 at home connected to a monitor. I no longer have use for the extra AC adapter or battery, and since this is only my backup system now I don't really need the extra RAM. Regular prices for above items are $65 for the AC adapter, $128 for the RAM (from Crucial). The double-life battery sells for about $180 but I haven't been able to find a price for the standard battery. Minimum prices I would be willing to accept are $35 for the adapter, $80 for the RAM, and $50 for the battery. I will entertain offers at or above these minimum prices. Buyer pays shipping. For shipping considerations, I am located in California. If you are interested please contact me at acupuncturist@hotmail.com. Thank you. Eugene From cph Tue Oct 10 23:40:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA27594 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:40:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19079; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:35:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18741; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9507.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18728; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9507.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.129.21 -> web9507.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:35:34 -0400 Message-ID: <20001011033529.35861.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.221.61.56] by web9507.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:35:29 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:35:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Help! I'm cheap and I can't read the digest! To: Rusty Lingenfelter Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: It works OK on Yahoo and Hotmail and they're free. Try one of them, or one of the many other free ones. --- Rusty Lingenfelter wrote: > I just started using freei.com for my email and I > can't read the list > (Digest). I get a message with a bunch of RFC822 > attachments and they are > all the same message. Whats up with that? Is anyone > successfully using > freei to read the Digest? Thanks. > > Rusty > ===== Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! That is, when it's not DOWN! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Tue Oct 10 23:51:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA27633 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:51:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20154; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:46:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19932; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19919; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:46:32 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA21802; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:46:26 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000b01c03335$d632a360$cc8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" References: <200010110156.VAA03862@cs.utk.edu> <39eacf99.125796064@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: The 600E is here! Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:46:25 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > > Also, the manual warns that if the first disk played is from the > > wrong region, something terrible will happen requiring a "recovery" > > procedure. On many systems, the first disk you play tells your decoder what your default region should be. > Learn your regions, an important thing to do if you're really a > world traveler. If you bought the disc in North America, it's Region > 1. Or it could be region-free. Region assignation is a marketing/distribution ploy, a few companies with integrity (or no need to try to micromanage distribution) still offer the occasional region-free disk. Do go to the web and learn all about regions, before you do something irreversable. Here are some places to start: http://www.llamas.net/pcdvdfaq/ www.7thzone.com and http://www.nzht.co.nz/dvdrom.htm www.digital-digest.com - David R. From cph Wed Oct 11 00:38:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA27919 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:38:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22853; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:34:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22582; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scn4.scn.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22564; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scn4.scn.org (209.63.95.149 -> scn4.scn.org) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:34:23 -0400 Received: from scn.org (er-chan@scn [209.63.95.146]) by scn4.scn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA10614; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (er-chan@localhost) by scn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18458; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:37:42 -0700 (PDT) From: er-chan X-Sender: er-chan@scn To: Chris Schumann cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 365XD Battery issue In-Reply-To: <007f01c0320d$52018990$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hello Chris Schumann (On 10/09/00,11:23am,you wrote Re: 365XD Battery issue) CS> On the topic of batteries and such: CS> CS> I've got a ThinkPad 365XD and it does not behave well on battery power. I very seldom use battery power on my 365XD and when I do it lasts 15-30 minutes giving a very short notice of impending powerloss. CS> CS> Or rather, it behaves as is everything is fine until it shuts off. There CS> is no warning of low power, no attempt to suspend or hibernate, just a CS> quiet powering off. CS> CS> It does this on three different batteries; two IBM and one Xtend. CS> CS> Have any of you experienced anything like this? CS> CS> Thanks, CS> Chris CS> CS> CS> _,--------, .-. \ o / (_er-chan |(- at scn.org \ / ((_)) | _| `----\--\' _-_ | at usa.net / \ \o _\__\---'---`---.___ /o\ ___.---'---`---.___ ( \ From cph Wed Oct 11 01:59:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA28419 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:59:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26274; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:54:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26041; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop2pub.verizon.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26028; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop2pub.verizon.net (206.46.170.21 -> smtppop2pub.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:54:09 -0400 Received: from evrtwa1-ar5-247-221.dsl.gtei.net (evrtwa1-ar5-247-221.dsl.gtei.net [4.35.247.221]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id AAA37034024 Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:52:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200010110552.AAA37034024@smtppop2pub.verizon.net> From: "LightSide/ Click" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:05:20 +0000 Reply-To: "LightSide/ Click" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 365XD Battery issue List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:37:42 -0700 (PDT), er-chan wrote: >Hello Chris Schumann (On 10/09/00,11:23am,you wrote Re: 365XD Battery issue) > >CS> On the topic of batteries and such: >CS> >CS> I've got a ThinkPad 365XD and it does not behave well on battery power. > >I very seldom use battery power on my 365XD >and when I do it lasts 15-30 minutes > giving a very short notice of impending powerloss. > >CS> >CS> Or rather, it behaves as is everything is fine until it shuts off. There >CS> is no warning of low power, no attempt to suspend or hibernate, just a >CS> quiet powering off. My batteries for my 365XD doesn't last for more than 1.5 hours. But before I expect to use all my batteries I have to verify they have charge. They do lose their charge sitting in the carry case. Robert From cph Wed Oct 11 04:25:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA28941 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:25:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04036; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:22:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03818; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03805; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.4 -> sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:22:22 -0400 Received: (qmail 30824 invoked by alias); 11 Oct 2000 05:41:36 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 51654 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2000 04:33:26 -0000 Received: from sttl6400gw3poola2.sttl.uswest.net (HELO jmcjr) (63.225.173.2) by sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 11 Oct 2000 04:33:26 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001010213507.00955280@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:35:07 -0700 To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" From: Not Me Subject: OT: Egghead desperate, stoops to new low Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA28942 World Famous Ginsu® 2000 10-Piece Knife Set (New) http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00003105/03408986.htm Would I lie to you? Not Me From cph Wed Oct 11 04:30:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA28977 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:30:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04484; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:27:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04331; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04318; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.4 -> sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:27:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 18264 invoked by alias); 11 Oct 2000 06:16:36 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 51541 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2000 04:33:24 -0000 Received: from sttl6400gw3poola2.sttl.uswest.net (HELO jmcjr) (63.225.173.2) by sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 11 Oct 2000 04:33:24 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001010195919.009546d0@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:59:19 -0700 To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" From: Not Me Subject: Re: The 600E is here! Cc: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" In-Reply-To: <200010110156.VAA03862@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:25 PM 10/10/00 +0700, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote: >Questions please: > -----Snip--- >3-Where can I easily get the audio output cable? (I.e. can anyone > provide me vendor and p/n from sources in USA e.g. Radio Shack, > MCM et al.?) I use a male/female minijack extension cable to plug into my ThinkPad 600E headphone plug. It's probably 20 feet long. It's a standard item. I think I bought it at Radio Shack, but I don't remember. I hook the ThinkPad 600E to a Harmon-Kardon AVR 40 receiver. The AVR 40 has a set of RCA jacks for Video3 on the front of the receiver. To hook up the minijack extension cable I needed a short cable with two RCA plugs on one end and a male minijack on the other. I bought this at Radio Shack. I don't remember the part number and I have long ago thrown away the package. However, this too is a standard item. Just go to a Radio Shack store and tell them what you need. It costs less than $5. Good luck. The 600E is a great machine for watching DVDs. I just finished watching one on the Great Barrier Reef. The color was magnificent. John > >Thanks for all help. More questions sure to follow. > >Jeffrey Race > > > > > From cph Wed Oct 11 05:07:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA29136 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:07:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06186; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:04:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06065; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06038; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (194.75.152.224 -> doggy.lineone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:04:48 -0400 Received: from hicdbs (host212-140-17-248.btinternet.com [212.140.17.248]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07973; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:04:32 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200010110904.KAA07973@scooby.lineone.net> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" , "Julian Thomas" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:19:08 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200010102256.e9AMugM13095@bean.epix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Thinkpad on and off the network List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id FAA06186 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA29137 On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:53:07 -0400, Julian Thomas wrote: >Under OS2 (Warp 4, FP12 and corresponding other fixes from warpup CD), if >I'm not at home, and there's no network connection, config.sys hangs up >and says network is not reachable - requires pressing enter to get past >this. You can avoid any 'press any key' problems by adding this in your config: PAUSEONERROR=NO >another question - what about SUSPEND. If I suspend, pull the NIC, and >then resume, am I in trouble? depends. PCMCIA cards can be swapped without the need to suspend or power off. Although swapping a PCMCIA network card may not work after you put it back in, depending on your driver. My D-Link DE660 10mbit pcmcia can do that, but my Xircom RealPort can't. (the Xircom uses a very bad os/2 driver) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Oct 11 05:19:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA29215 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:19:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06684; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:08:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06452; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06404; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (194.75.152.224 -> doggy.lineone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:08:08 -0400 Received: from hicdbs (host212-140-17-248.btinternet.com [212.140.17.248]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA09848; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:08:02 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200010110908.KAA09848@scooby.lineone.net> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" , "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:22:38 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200010110156.VAA03862@cs.utk.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: The 600E is here! List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id FAA06684 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA29216 On Tue, 10 Oct 00 21:25:31 +0700, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote: >1-Does this unit have an internal mic? Not in the spec. If so, > can anyone suggest a way to use it or test it? (E.g. VoIP or > something like that? Could I call someone?) I have Win98 and OS/2. i have a 600E (366mhz, 64mb ram, 6.4gig hd) but it doesn't have an internal nic, only the crappy Mwave winmodem. >2-DVD--problem! The instructions say the decoder must be configured > for one of 6 world regions. Since I commute from Boston to > Bangkok, and from time to time travel to Europe, so expect to have > DVDs for multiple regions, what do I do to be able to read from > multiple regions? I dont know the specifics, someone may be able to give more details than me, but i remember that you need to find a way to hack the dvd drive. some drives have jumper settings, others need a hacked firmware. >3-Where can I easily get the audio output cable? (I.e. can anyone > provide me vendor and p/n from sources in USA e.g. Radio Shack, > MCM et al.?) do you need some specific cable? i can use all normal cables with my 600E. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Oct 11 05:20:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA29229 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:20:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06897; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:09:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06549; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06527; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (194.75.152.224 -> doggy.lineone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:09:38 -0400 Received: from hicdbs (host212-140-17-248.btinternet.com [212.140.17.248]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA10664 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:09:33 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200010110909.KAA10664@scooby.lineone.net> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:24:09 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <39eacf99.125796064@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: The 600E is here! List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id FAA06897 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA29230 On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:33:26 GMT, Emanuel Brown wrote: > The microphone is on the keyboard bezel, to the right of the "power >on" LED. is this on all 600E systems? i didn't know mine had a mic. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Oct 11 05:53:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA29317 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:53:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14438; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:50:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14194; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14181; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:50:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:50:11 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc3a296.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.234]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA13277; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010110950.FAA13277@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) sover.net from arc3a296.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.234] 209.198.116.234 Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:17:25 -0400 To: "Julian Thomas" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, discussion@possi.org In-Reply-To: <200010102256.e9AMugM13095@bean.epix.net> Subject: Re: Thinkpad on and off the network X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 List-Unsubscribe: Julian Thomas" said: >This is probably an old problem that has been discussed in the past, but I've >just managed to rediscover it with my new thinkpad A20m that I've plugged in >to my home LAN. >Under OS2 (Warp 4, FP12 and corresponding other fixes from warpup CD), if I'm >not at home, and there's no network connection, config.sys hangs up and says >network is not reachable - requires pressing enter to get past this. >Is there an easy way to handle this Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde existence? add: pauseonerror=no to the config.sys file >another question - what about SUSPEND. If I suspend, pull the NIC, and then >resume, am I in trouble? Can't help. I just have an old 600E. ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Oct 11 12:57:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA31926 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:57:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01656; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:53:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01026; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01004; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.14 -> mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:52:53 -0400 Received: (qmail 11277 invoked by alias); 11 Oct 2000 16:52:50 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 11234 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2000 16:52:49 -0000 Received: from dialupu92.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (207.109.17.92) by mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 11 Oct 2000 16:52:49 -0000 Message-ID: <009d01c033a3$bf3ff720$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Cc: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" References: <200010110156.VAA03862@cs.utk.edu> Subject: Re: The 600E is here! Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:53:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: > 2-DVD--problem! The instructions say the decoder must be configured > for one of 6 world regions. Since I commute from Boston to > Bangkok, and from time to time travel to Europe, so expect to have > DVDs for multiple regions, what do I do to be able to read from > multiple regions? As others have noted, you may be able to get drive-hacking software. If you are uncomfortable using it, you should also be able to get another DVD drive, and configure one for each region you'll be using. A third alternative is to use encryption-hacking software that plays DVD's by breaking the encryption. I'm not sure if any exists for Windows playback, though. Chris From cph Wed Oct 11 13:18:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA32066 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:18:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06880; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:14:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05944; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05453; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (38.8.22.2 -> relay21.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:13:36 -0400 Received: from ntmail.doble.com ([204.215.186.11]) by relay21.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13jPRZ-0006rv-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:13:29 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <44MXBMRM>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:12:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Best laptop 600E, A20, or T20?? The search continues Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:12:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I am starting to take a serious look at replacing my 365ED. Looking at available stuff is confusing. The problem is for a few hundred more I can get something better (600E->600X -> A20) and pretty soon by adding a few more features I am up in the 3400 price range!!! My desktop is a 500 MHz P3 and I end up looking at a 700 MHz P3 A20P laptop!!!! My two main desktops are 333 P2 and 500 P3. They current desktops works good. The 365ED still works good but is lacking DVD, USB, etc. The 400 MHz 600E seems like a good unit. How about the 600X? Are they any good? It seems that I can get a A20 for slightly more money. I want a DVD but I am going to use it more as a super CD rather than playing movies. I also want to be able to encode real audio at remote locations. The real audio page seems to indicate I need something in the 300 - 400 MHz class. I also want something that is P2 or P3 to get rid of the 64M cache limit on main memory. I want to run Linux, Windows, and OS/2. I know OS/2 is not supported on the A20 but it seems like most drivers are there (except for the modem). There are also some Linux issues with some machines. It seems the T20 is more expensive and it seems to be the leaner and meaner one. The A20 seems to have more features, bigger and heavier. Size and Weight is not a concerned so it seems the A20 would be the one to get. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From cph Wed Oct 11 13:50:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA32293 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:50:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14233; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:45:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13861; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0k.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13848; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0k.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.40 -> www0k.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:45:44 -0400 Received: (qmail 5092 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Oct 2000 17:45:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20001011174537.5091.qmail@www0k.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.40 by www0k for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Wed Oct 11 17:45:37 GMT 2000 Date: 11 Oct 00 12:45:37 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "Cottrell Eric" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Best laptop 600E, A20, or T20?? The search continues X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA32294 My personal opinion is that the 600X is the lowest you should go unless price is the overall determining factor (but if it was, you wouldn't even be looking at that $3400 A20). The main reason I say this is because of the processor. A 500MHz processor is pretty much the bottom of the barrel these days, in terms of what is being sold in new units. So, if you buy a 366 or a 400 or a 450 that you happen to find out there, you're really getting a unit that is 2 generations back (current = 700+, last = 500-650) To get a nice system without paying a premium, find one of the lesser-equipped 600X or T20s. Don't go with the fastest processor in any of the categories or you will be paying that premium for it. By the way, having had a 770, a 600E and 600X, I think I'd recommend sticking with the thin ones (600X or T20). Unless there's a screen size/resolution that you must have or if you need the larger UltraBay, the thinner ones do stuff just as well. This advice is worth no more than you paid for it... ;-) Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Wed Oct 11 14:07:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA32361 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:07:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16607; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:02:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16235; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16221; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010111802.OAA16221@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:02:37 -0400 Received: from ingw129-37-108-42.nj.us.prserv.net ([129.37.108.42]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000101118023325202pa091e>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:02:34 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" , "Chris Schumann" Cc: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 00 14:02:31 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: More DVD stuff (was The 600E is here!) List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:53:13 -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: >> 2-DVD--problem! snip >A third alternative is to use encryption-hacking software that plays >DVD's by breaking the encryption. I'm not sure if any exists for >Windows playback, Thanks to all for the info, which will take me several days to digest. In the meantime, is there a DVD player for OS/2? That's really what I need. I'd prefer just to test on Win98. I am now repartitioning the disk to run OS/2 primarily. Jeffrey Race From cph Wed Oct 11 14:29:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA32503 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:29:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19494; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:23:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18892; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18875; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:23:04 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-285.gate.net [199.227.131.94]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA51484; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:22:42 -0400 Message-ID: <39E4B024.84A33B9B@gate.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:23:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Goldman CC: David Ross , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" , John Small Subject: Re: [560] Where to find used 560? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: what was the item you THOUGHT that you had purchased..? David Goldman wrote: > On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, David Ross wrote: > > > > Other places - especially if a warrantee is important to you - is IBM direct; > > they publish their stock daily at > > http://commerce-03.www.ibm.com/icc/retail.PDF (and don't show and 560s right > > now, but it is worth checking daily). > > They also sell through egghead.com; if you see a machine you want at egghead, > > look carefully at the description to make sure that its is being sold by IBM > > and not another reseller (look at the warrantee information on the product > > description). > > Just a quick caution about buying from egghead.com: > > I recently tried to PURCHASE (not bid) on an item listed on egghead.com > At first, the order was accepted and pending shipment from the warehouse. > Then they updated their web site to indicate that they were forced to > cancel the sale due to "inventory descrepancies". No e-mail was sent to > me directly, but they did update the order status screen on the web site. > > They also indicated that they would refund my $105 that they had charged > to my credit card and promptly did credit me $2! (Note the shortage.) > I called to indicate that I'd rather wait for the item to be backordered. > The CSR indicated that they would not be getting any more of the item in > the future and therefore backorder was not possible. She indicated that > the item was probably being discontinued by the manufacturer and therefore > I should find another solution. (This information was bogus. Keep reading) > > I inquired about the shortage on the credit and was told it must have been > a human error (HAH!) and that it would be taken care of shortly. Another > two days and they finally did post the credit for $103. > > Later, they again updated the order status web page to indicate that the > item had been mispriced and therefore they were unable to honor any orders > at the original price. They also indicated that the order had been > cancelled at my "REQUEST" (again, bogus information). > > In summary, they mispriced the item, charged my credit card, cancelled > the order, refunded only a small portion of what was charged (I had to > REQUEST the balance of the refund), changed their story, posted known > false information (ie, lied to me) and offered no appology for the entire > screw-up. > > A friend who ordered the same item at the same time sat silently for > 12 days, hoping that they'd make another error and actually ship the > product to him. After 12 days they finally cancelled his order and > refunded his money. Again, with no appology. > > You can buy from egghead.com if you want, but I don't think I'll be > doing much business with them in the future. > > -- > David Goldman -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Wed Oct 11 14:33:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA32535 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:33:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20218; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:29:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19755; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19727; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:29:02 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-285.gate.net [199.227.131.94]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA198336; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:28:46 -0400 Message-ID: <39E4B191.A66CE23D@gate.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:29:37 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" CC: thinkpad , "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Subject: Re: The 600E is here! References: <200010110908.KAA09848@scooby.lineone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA20218 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA32536 Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis wrote: > On Tue, 10 Oct 00 21:25:31 +0700, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote: > > >1-Does this unit have an internal mic? Not in the spec. If so, > > can anyone suggest a way to use it or test it? (E.g. VoIP or > > something like that? Could I call someone?) I have Win98 and OS/2. > > i have a 600E (366mhz, 64mb ram, 6.4gig hd) but it doesn't have > an internal nic, only the crappy Mwave winmodem. > MIC.. nit NIC.. :-) yes to the first, no to the second.. > > >2-DVD--problem! The instructions say the decoder must be configured > > for one of 6 world regions. Since I commute from Boston to > > Bangkok, and from time to time travel to Europe, so expect to have > > DVDs for multiple regions, what do I do to be able to read from > > multiple regions? > > I dont know the specifics, someone may be able to give more details > than me, but i remember that you need to find a way to hack the dvd drive. > > some drives have jumper settings, others need a hacked firmware. and, i have been told, there are some that will take ANY region.. > > > >3-Where can I easily get the audio output cable? (I.e. can anyone > > provide me vendor and p/n from sources in USA e.g. Radio Shack, > > MCM et al.?) > > do you need some specific cable? i can use all normal cables with my 600E. > take the machine to the local radio shack.. :-) > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Wed Oct 11 15:10:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA00434 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:10:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25741; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:02:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25243; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25215; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:02:33 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA24375; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:02:30 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002101c033b5$ce92d3c0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: Cc: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" References: <200010111802.OAA16221@cs.utk.edu> Subject: Re: More DVD stuff (was The 600E is here!) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:02:29 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Chris Schumann: > >A third alternative is to use encryption-hacking software that plays > >DVD's by breaking the encryption. I'm not sure if any exists for > >Windows playback, The DVD, the hardware, and the software *all* have region codes, and if they don't *all* agree then no playback. The de-encrypting software that some hackers use only ignores the software code; it still needs the hardware code and disk code to agree, to get access to the files on the drive. > In the meantime, is there a DVD player for OS/2? Good luck on this one. The reason that encryption was hacked in the first place was not to bootleg movies, but rather to create an open-source player so that people could watch their DVDs on operating systems other than Windows or MacOs (the makers of DVD decoding software didn't seem interested in producing a Linux version). (See http://www.linuxvideo.org/ and http://www.opendvd.org/) Possibly some of the commercial players exist in an OS/2 version - you can check manufacturer websites - but since Linux is more popular than OS/2, and these manufacturers didn't think Linux was worth the effort...(though Intervideo - makers of WinDVD - is almost done with a player for Linux) There might already be free underground Linux and BSD players floating around; you could always install a small Linux partition (should take less room than having a Windows pttn just for DVD) and try one. - David R. From cph Wed Oct 11 15:11:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA00442 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:11:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25827; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:03:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25367; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25353; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:03:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA39633; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:06:23 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com To: Bill Morrow cc: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: [560] Where to find used 560? In-Reply-To: <39E4B024.84A33B9B@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > what was the item you THOUGHT that you had purchased..? Lexar brand Compact Flash memory for a digital camera. From cph Wed Oct 11 15:53:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA00768 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:53:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01912; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:43:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01370; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01348; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:42:53 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a17.pm3-15.theriver.com [208.164.96.81]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32BA25EF2; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:42:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39E4C2AC.97C3EB1A@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:42:36 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Least Reliable Component - Failed Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: In my 5 1/2 years of using Thinkpads, by far the most failure prone or unreliable component has been the floppy drive... I have had six become misaligned or defective... Nuther one crashed this morning... Can anybody suggest an online source... new or used... or where I can buy the 2.88 drive? Does anybody know whether EZServe or other repair facility will/can realign them? Ray From cph Wed Oct 11 16:05:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA00840 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:05:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04523; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:01:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04163; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04103; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (129.250.36.43 -> dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:01:08 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13jS3V-00009n-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:00:49 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.50] (helo=isdn30-50.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.161 #1) id 13jS3V-0003cR-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:00:49 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: current ThinkPad models Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:00:15 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA00841 Can someone provide a thumbnail sketch of the current ThinkPad offerings from a user's point of view? Or a pointer to an existing list? I have reviewed the listing by ibm at ... http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/moreabout.html and I have been particularly struck by the lack of discussion here on the i-series. Maybe it is/was a bomb? Thanks. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Wed Oct 11 16:08:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA00861 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:08:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05064; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:04:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04614; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04598; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:03:59 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA24709; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:03:53 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000b01c033be$6189d680$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Ray Bay" , "Thinkpad Mailing List" References: <39E4C2AC.97C3EB1A@theriver.com> Subject: Re: Least Reliable Component - Failed Again Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:03:53 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > In my 5 1/2 years of using Thinkpads, by far the most failure prone or > unreliable component has been the floppy drive #2. #1 is the computer operator, at least in my case:-) When I've had floppies go bad under warrantee, IBM has done a swap rather than a repair. While I assume they don't actually discard all the components, I doubt EZ-serve does any alignment. - David R. From cph Wed Oct 11 16:09:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA00873 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:09:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05524; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:06:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05133; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05065; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010112006.QAA05065@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:06:08 -0400 Received: from slip-32-101-27-45.ma.us.prserv.net ([32.101.27.45]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000101120060125201hfgmke>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:06:02 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Ray Bay" Cc: "danf@bluestarusa.com" , "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 00 16:06:01 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Least Reliable Component - Failed Again List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:42:36 -0700, Ray Bay wrote: >In my 5 1/2 years of using Thinkpads, by far the most failure prone or >unreliable component has been the floppy drive> >Can anybody suggest an online source As always, Blue Star. Query CC address with IBM p/n Jeffrey Race From cph Wed Oct 11 16:13:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA00909 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:13:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06441; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:09:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05978; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05956; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:09:31 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (206-97-58-241.ip.theriver.com [206.97.58.241]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF0CD25EF2; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:09:01 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <39E4C9FD.762ADE7A@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:13:49 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Goldman Cc: David Ross , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" , John Small Subject: Re: [560] Where to find used 560? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David Goldman wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, David Ross wrote: > > > > Other places - especially if a warrantee is important to you - is IBM direct; > > they publish their stock daily at > > http://commerce-03.www.ibm.com/icc/retail.PDF (and don't show and 560s right > > now, but it is worth checking daily). > > They also sell through egghead.com; if you see a machine you want at egghead, > > look carefully at the description to make sure that its is being sold by IBM > > and not another reseller (look at the warrantee information on the product > > description). > > Just a quick caution about buying from egghead.com: > > I recently tried to PURCHASE (not bid) on an item listed on egghead.com > At first, the order was accepted and pending shipment from the warehouse. > Then they updated their web site to indicate that they were forced to > cancel the sale due to "inventory descrepancies". No e-mail was sent to > me directly, but they did update the order status screen on the web site. > > They also indicated that they would refund my $105 that they had charged > to my credit card and promptly did credit me $2! (Note the shortage.) > I called to indicate that I'd rather wait for the item to be backordered. > The CSR indicated that they would not be getting any more of the item in > the future and therefore backorder was not possible. She indicated that > the item was probably being discontinued by the manufacturer and therefore > I should find another solution. (This information was bogus. Keep reading) > > I inquired about the shortage on the credit and was told it must have been > a human error (HAH!) and that it would be taken care of shortly. Another > two days and they finally did post the credit for $103. > > Later, they again updated the order status web page to indicate that the > item had been mispriced and therefore they were unable to honor any orders > at the original price. They also indicated that the order had been > cancelled at my "REQUEST" (again, bogus information). > > In summary, they mispriced the item, charged my credit card, cancelled > the order, refunded only a small portion of what was charged (I had to > REQUEST the balance of the refund), changed their story, posted known > false information (ie, lied to me) and offered no appology for the entire > screw-up. > > A friend who ordered the same item at the same time sat silently for > 12 days, hoping that they'd make another error and actually ship the > product to him. After 12 days they finally cancelled his order and > refunded his money. Again, with no appology. > > You can buy from egghead.com if you want, but I don't think I'll be > doing much business with them in the future. I've bought several items from Egghead/Onsale. The only problems I had was when they were auctioning items from certain New York based companies. Now I only buy "New" or "Refurbished by manufacturer" items >from them. You might find that problems exist at all auction sites and the 'Buyer Beware' slogin definately applies. Jim From cph Wed Oct 11 16:35:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA01041 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:35:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09439; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:31:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09090; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09076; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:31:04 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a17.pm3-15.theriver.com [208.164.96.81]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A937525EB2; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:30:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39E4CDDE.33BB72D@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:30:22 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Small Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: current ThinkPad models References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I had an i-series for a short period and returned it... Not a bad machine, but fragile compared to other Thinkpads... and for the price, I thought there were better machines out there such as Toshiba, Dell, Gateway. Slow. Advantage: parts availability and support will be better through IBM than any other vendor except maybe Dell. Nothing matches the regular Thinkpads for reliability and ruggedness... although others are sometimes faster... From cph Wed Oct 11 16:37:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA01047 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:37:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09954; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:33:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09478; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09464; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:33:26 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a17.pm3-15.theriver.com [208.164.96.81]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5F82608A; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:32:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39E4CE56.8611E9C6@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:32:22 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Least Reliable Component - Failed Again References: <39E4C2AC.97C3EB1A@theriver.com> <000b01c033be$6189d680$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: They have replaced mine under warrantee... they looked refurbished... Now my warrantees are all up... Going to try Denis Hall's replacements... his price is right. From cph Wed Oct 11 17:51:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA01630 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:51:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18504; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:46:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18054; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18041; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:46:56 -0400 Received: from techshop ([64.108.198.60]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20001011214535.HEXT1008.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@techshop>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:45:35 -0500 Message-ID: <005d01c033cb$6b2c0ac0$0a01a8c0@techshop> From: "Matt Winston" To: , "John Small" References: <64n6uso2dr6nvegcjivtdl9296ogf27c55@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Where to find used 560? Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:37:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I bought two 560x Thinkpads from Richard at rvmco@rvmco.com last spring. Both came in good condition with plenty of software preloaded. He usually has auctions on ebay, seller ID is rvmco, as I remember. Had one problem with incorrect memory upgrade that he took care of promptly. I would do business with him again. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Small" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Cc: "Michelle Grimes" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:15 PM Subject: [560] Where to find used 560? Where are the usual places one might look for a nice used 560 E or X model? Thanks. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Wed Oct 11 18:02:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA01729 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:02:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20003; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:59:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19652; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot18.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19635; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot18.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.38 -> pilot18.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:59:29 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (cherryholmes.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.41]) by pilot18.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e9BLxRv62386 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:59:27 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001011175442.01f59020@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:59:27 -0400 To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: current ThinkPad models In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I think you'll find rather varied opinions on the i Series machines. I have two of them, a 1451i which I use every day with Windows, take everywhere in my backpack and is 1.7 years old. Overall its been very good; the 4G disk made noise which I got IBM to replace, and they replaced the screen (pick screen syndrome). This unit is on just about all the time, save for my commuting and wandering around with it. I also have a 1480i which I use mostly at home with OpenBSD, also on nearly 24/7. In my estimation I'd get them again. Can't speak for the newest i Series out there; I am a little suspicious of the really cheap ones, but I haven't tried using them. I would ABSOLUTELY pit the i Series machines against most other laptop brands. --STeve Andre' At 03:00 PM 10/11/00 -0500, John Small wrote: >Can someone provide a thumbnail sketch of the current ThinkPad offerings >from a >user's point of view? Or a pointer to an existing list? > >I have reviewed the listing by ibm at ... > >http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/moreabout.html > >and I have been particularly struck by the lack of discussion here on the >i-series. Maybe it is/was a bomb? > >Thanks. > >-jts >ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Wed Oct 11 18:09:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA01786 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:09:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21156; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:06:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20771; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20757; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:06:50 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA25385 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:06:47 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <005301c033cf$8ce5ef60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: [TPall] Too heavy Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:06:47 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Recently I started a thread about cases for lightweight laptops; I was looking for a sturdier replacement for the Wetsuit I'd been using on my 560. I finally settled on the Brenthaven Glove, since I couldn't find the portfolio at a price I liked and the others I looked at were either all much heavier or had less convincing protection. Yesterday afternoon was my first try using this case instead of the Wetsuit for my regular walk home. I have to say that the difference in weight (at 1.7 pounds about a pound heavier than the Wetsuit) did not go unnoticed! I'm no wimp, but after 3 miles largely uphill in the tropical sun I really felt the drag on my shoulder, much more than was usual with the Wetsuit. Among other things, this made me really glad I've never bought a 600 or larger machine when replacing a subnote. I certainly hope that IBM does not decide to abandon this weight class in the future. BTW, other than the weight (still much lighter than most others) and the price ($85 from a NYC luggage shop) I quite like this case, which is of excellent quality throughout. It does seem to be designed for a somewhat larger laptop than mine - the battletank Micron on my desk fits in it, and the sling dips a bit low when only the thin 560 is inside. Thanks again for all the input when I was looking. Special note to Jane L.: next time you talk to the policy wonks at Targus, please ask them when they're going to make a half-pound case with air or sling protection for subnotes! - David R. From cph Wed Oct 11 18:15:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA01840 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:15:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22151; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:12:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21915; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21895; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:12:51 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA25414 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:12:48 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <005701c033d0$64260000$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: <64n6uso2dr6nvegcjivtdl9296ogf27c55@4ax.com> <005d01c033cb$6b2c0ac0$0a01a8c0@techshop> Subject: Re: Where to find used 560? Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:12:48 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: BTW, keep in mind that memory for the 560 series has approximately doubled in the last year or so. The 560X comes with 32megs onboard, so a model with 40 megs has an essentially-worthless 8 meg add-on chip in it. For something usable, figure in the extra cost for a 32 or 64 meg chip when determining how much to spend. - David R. From cph Wed Oct 11 20:52:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA02805 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:52:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05844; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:47:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05469; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05427; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (194.221.183.20 -> pop.gmx.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:47:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 22287 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2000 00:47:21 -0000 Received: from dialup-58-252.dplanet.ch (HELO sony) (212.35.58.252) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 12 Oct 2000 00:47:21 -0000 From: Ditch To: Subject: A20P / A21P Display brightness settings Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:49:02 +0200 Reply-To: ditched@gmx.net Message-ID: <602aus0epp41rn224fpoe76u9vvr4em9m7@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id UAA02806 Hi How far is the brightness setting on the A20P / A21P Thinkpads adjustable? Can it be dimmed to a low level to be comfortable in a dark room? In the past I had problems with notebooks that where too bright in the dark and it was painfull to work in dark rooms. Now I have a Sony Z600 that dimms down just fine. The big screen and resolution of the A21 are really tempting... Ditch From cph Wed Oct 11 21:37:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA03120 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:37:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09658; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:33:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09404; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09391; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:33:30 -0400 Received: from att.net ([12.74.13.22]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001012013329.BVEW2291.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@att.net> for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:33:29 +0000 Message-ID: <39E514E6.45C22279@att.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:33:26 -0500 From: "T." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: A21P differences? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: In perusing the IBM Website I find four A21/P's: 2629HWU W2K 4,499.00 2629H2U W2K 4,399.00 2629HXU W98 4,399.00 2629H1U W98 4,299.00 I can't locate any differences in the product descriptions for these models. Can anyone enlighten me why the extra $100 for the HWU and HXU? Thanks From cph Wed Oct 11 21:46:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA03207 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:46:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10900; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:43:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10605; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10590; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:43:53 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.48.6.69 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:42:53 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c033ee$454bc340$4506303f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: 560 parts Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:46:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Found a guy with: 2 12.1 TFT Screens (Pulled very clean No scratches or cracks etc...) $75 each 1 A/C Adapter $20 1 Port Replicator $15 If you would like his email, please contact me. I can't vouch for the condition etc, you'll have to talk to him personally. Day after day, alone on a hill. The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still.... The fool on the hill. From cph Wed Oct 11 22:27:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA03509 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:27:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14197; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:23:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13873; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13860; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:23:22 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.156]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001012022320.GBLI22058.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:23:20 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001011221915.01988850@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:19:15 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: A21P differences? In-Reply-To: <39E514E6.45C22279@att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:33 PM 10/11/2000 -0500, T. wrote: >I can't locate any differences in the product descriptions for these >models. Can anyone enlighten me why the extra $100 for the HWU and HXU? > NIC From cph Wed Oct 11 22:33:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA03548 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:33:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15231; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:30:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14911; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14886; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:30:43 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.156]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001012023042.GEKD22058.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:30:42 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001011222638.00ae25e0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:26:38 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: A21P differences? In-Reply-To: <39E514E6.45C22279@att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:33 PM 10/11/2000 -0500, T. wrote: >I can't locate any differences in the product descriptions for these >models. > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/ is an invaluable resource for determining model differences. From cph Wed Oct 11 23:59:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA04053 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:59:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21477; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:55:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21178; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21163; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:55:06 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.219.160]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001012035505.ZNBQ18564.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 03:55:05 +0000 Message-ID: <39E53583.F25E20C4@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:52:35 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ditched@gmx.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20P / A21P Display brightness settings References: <602aus0epp41rn224fpoe76u9vvr4em9m7@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Dim for dark room to real bright. 1600x1200 is full of detail in photo work. Birger Ditch wrote: > > Hi > > How far is the brightness setting on the A20P / A21P Thinkpads > adjustable? Can it be dimmed to a low level to be comfortable in a > dark room? > > In the past I had problems with notebooks that where too bright in the > dark and it was painfull to work in dark rooms. Now I have a Sony Z600 > that dimms down just fine. The big screen and resolution of the A21 > are really tempting... > > Ditch From cph Thu Oct 12 00:01:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA04081 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:01:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21972; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:58:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21606; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21593; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:58:04 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.219.160]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001012035802.ZONN18564.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 03:58:02 +0000 Message-ID: <39E53635.F0183218@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:55:33 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "T." CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: A21P differences? References: <39E514E6.45C22279@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The lower priced just have the modem H1U,H2H. The higher priced have modem and ethernet HXU,HWU. Birger "T." wrote: > > In perusing the IBM Website I find four A21/P's: > > 2629HWU W2K 4,499.00 > 2629H2U W2K 4,399.00 > > 2629HXU W98 4,399.00 > 2629H1U W98 4,299.00 > > I can't locate any differences in the product descriptions for these > models. Can anyone enlighten me why the extra $100 for the HWU and HXU? > > Thanks From cph Thu Oct 12 01:35:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA04630 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:35:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26137; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:31:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25968; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25955; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (206.46.170.22 -> smtppop3pub.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:31:44 -0400 Received: from evrtwa1-ar5-247-221.dsl.gtei.net (evrtwa1-ar5-247-221.dsl.gtei.net [4.35.247.221]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id AAA35921964 Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:27:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200010120527.AAA35921964@smtppop3pub.verizon.net> From: "LightSide/ Click" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:43:00 +0000 Reply-To: "LightSide/ Click" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 600E modems and DVD issues List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:22:38 +0100 (BST), Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis wrote: >i have a 600E (366mhz, 64mb ram, 6.4gig hd) but it doesn't have >an internal nic, only the crappy Mwave winmodem. I agree, the Mwave modems might be a pain, but do remember than most of the new line systems coming out are Lucent Winmodems. And they are only friendly to a Windows enviroment (to my knowledge. I have been proven wrong). > >>2-DVD--problem! The instructions say the decoder must be configured >> for one of 6 world regions. Since I commute from Boston to >> Bangkok, and from time to time travel to Europe, so expect to have >> DVDs for multiple regions, what do I do to be able to read from >> multiple regions? > >I dont know the specifics, someone may be able to give more details >than me, but i remember that you need to find a way to hack the dvd drive. > >some drives have jumper settings, others need a hacked firmware. There may be a problem on the horizon with DVD hardware hacking. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/13834.html This could article could really put a hole in some international travelers boats. Robert From cph Thu Oct 12 01:43:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA04671 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:43:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26868; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:40:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26657; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop2pub.verizon.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26644; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop2pub.verizon.net (206.46.170.21 -> smtppop2pub.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:40:13 -0400 Received: from evrtwa1-ar5-247-221.dsl.gtei.net (evrtwa1-ar5-247-221.dsl.gtei.net [4.35.247.221]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id AAA37473114 Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:38:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200010120538.AAA37473114@smtppop2pub.verizon.net> From: "LightSide/ Click" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:51:29 +0000 Reply-To: "LightSide/ Click" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: current ThinkPad models List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:59:27 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >>In my estimation I'd get them again. Can't speak for the newest i Series >out there; >I am a little suspicious of the really cheap ones, but I haven't tried >using them. > >I would ABSOLUTELY pit the i Series machines against most other laptop brands. Well work with four thinkpads at work (ok, 6 really but only 4 on a regular basis). Two of the four are iSeries machines. They're primarily made by Acer. But for an entry level laptop, they are quite nice. I do notice the tint too. One comes out of suspend with a pink tint and the other wakes with a blue tint. I am not too happy with the iSeries BIOS screens (compared to my own personal 365XD) and the 770X. But it is quite a functional machine. My $0.02 Robert From cph Thu Oct 12 04:14:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA05299 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:14:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03837; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:10:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03389; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03376; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:10:32 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-9.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.9]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9C8AT910018 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:10:30 -0700 Message-ID: <39E571EF.AB2C968A@mail.orion.org> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 03:10:23 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP560X network CD-ROM drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I don't have a local CD-ROM drive on my TP560X. Instead, I use the shared CD-ROM drive in my Internet file server. I have a program (Skymap 2000) that apparently won't install maps through the network CD-ROM. I'm running Win98 on both machines. Anyone know if there is a program out there that will trick software running on the local machine into thinking the network CD-ROM drive is local? Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Thu Oct 12 04:17:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA05314 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:17:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04271; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:14:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03963; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03948; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.4 -> sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:14:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 89130 invoked by alias); 12 Oct 2000 07:55:41 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 88320 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2000 07:55:20 -0000 Received: from sttl6400gw3poola2.sttl.uswest.net (HELO jmcjr) (63.225.173.2) by sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 12 Oct 2000 07:55:20 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001012005443.00957cb0@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:54:43 -0700 To: "David Ross" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" From: Not Me Subject: Re: [TPall] Too heavy In-Reply-To: <005301c033cf$8ce5ef60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:06 PM 10/11/00 -1000, David Ross wrote: >Among other things, this made me really glad I've >never bought a 600 or larger machine >when replacing a subnote. I certainly hope that IBM does not decide to abandon >this weight class in the future. I have both a ThinkPad 560X and a ThinkPad 600E. Weight does matter. Since I use these computers primarily as laptop machines, I find myself using the 560 more than the 600. The extra pound or two makes a big difference. John From cph Thu Oct 12 05:21:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA05542 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 05:21:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06259; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 05:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 05:07:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06137; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 05:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06122; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 05:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 05:07:46 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA28323; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:07:38 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001101c0342b$dff09d20$028d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Shawn Lin" , References: <39E571EF.AB2C968A@mail.orion.org> Subject: Re: TP560X network CD-ROM drive Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:07:34 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: You could try vSubst (formerly VirtualCD), which you can download from www.NoNags.com (which turns any directory into a virtual drive). Unfortunately, some software is very sensitive to the presence of an actual, physical drive. Why not just get an external CD drive for the 560? They're not terribly expensive, and make life much easier. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Lin" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:10 PM Subject: TP560X network CD-ROM drive > I don't have a local CD-ROM drive on my TP560X. Instead, I use the > shared CD-ROM drive in my Internet file server. I have a program > (Skymap 2000) that apparently won't install maps through the network > CD-ROM. I'm running Win98 on both machines. Anyone know if there is a > program out there that will trick software running on the local machine > into thinking the network CD-ROM drive is local? > > Shawn > > > > ________________________________________________________ > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com > From cph Thu Oct 12 06:41:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA05977 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:41:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14408; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:38:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14171; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww156.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14157; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww156.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.56 -> ww156.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:38:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 27136 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2000 10:38:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20001012103809.27135.qmail@ww156.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.56 by ww156 for [24.163.172.50] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Thu Oct 12 10:38:09 GMT 2000 Date: 12 Oct 00 05:38:09 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Shawn Lin , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: TP560X network CD-ROM drive X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id GAA05978 If you are accessing the network CD via UNC (\\servername\sharename), then you have one more thing to try. On the client (560), map a drive letter to the UNC share (so G: = \\servername\sharename). Many CD-based programs require a drive letter and the corresponding 'mapped-as-root' drive in order to work. If you've already got it mapped to a drive letter, then I don't know what to tell you... HTH, Rob Shawn Lin wrote: > I don't have a local CD-ROM drive on my TP560X. Instead, I use the > shared CD-ROM drive in my Internet file server. I have a program > (Skymap 2000) that apparently won't install maps through the network > CD-ROM. I'm running Win98 on both machines. Anyone know if there is a > program out there that will trick software running on the local machine > into thinking the network CD-ROM drive is local? > > Shawn ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Thu Oct 12 07:26:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA06108 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:26:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17615; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:23:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17298; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17285; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (24.30.163.11 -> laxmls02.socal.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:23:33 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (sc-24-24-233-88.socal.rr.com [24.24.233.88]) by laxmls02.socal.rr.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9CBMVr12087 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:22:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: mikeford@pop-server.socal.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001101c0342b$dff09d20$028d273f@math.hawaii.edu> References: <39E571EF.AB2C968A@mail.orion.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:06:56 -0800 To: From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: TP560X network CD-ROM drive List-Unsubscribe: >You could try vSubst (formerly VirtualCD), which you can download from >www.NoNags.com >(which turns any directory into a virtual drive). > >Unfortunately, some software is very sensitive to the presence of an actual, >physical drive. Why not just get an >external CD drive for the 560? They're not terribly expensive, and make life >much easier. What I have seen people do with games is to copy the whole Cd to a local harddrive, then run the software above to make a hard drive directory look like a CDrom. From cph Thu Oct 12 11:13:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA07573 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:13:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09574; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:06:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09301; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09288; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.4 -> sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:06:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 67119 invoked by alias); 12 Oct 2000 15:04:35 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 63288 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2000 15:03:07 -0000 Received: from sttl6400gw3poola2.sttl.uswest.net (HELO jmcjr) (63.225.173.2) by sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 12 Oct 2000 15:03:07 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001012080426.0097d780@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:04:26 -0700 To: "Mike Ford" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Not Me Subject: Re: TP560X network CD-ROM drive In-Reply-To: References: <001101c0342b$dff09d20$028d273f@math.hawaii.edu> <39E571EF.AB2C968A@mail.orion.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:06 AM 10/12/00 -0800, Mike Ford wrote: >>You could try vSubst (formerly VirtualCD), which you can download from >>www.NoNags.com >>(which turns any directory into a virtual drive). >> >>Unfortunately, some software is very sensitive to the presence of an actual, >>physical drive. Why not just get an >>external CD drive for the 560? They're not terribly expensive, and make life >>much easier. > >What I have seen people do with games is to copy the whole Cd to a local >harddrive, then run the software above to make a hard drive directory look >like a CDrom. > > What I've done with mapping software fro DeLorme and Rand McNally is to copy the entire contents of the CD-ROM to a folder on my hard drive. Then I simply run the setup or install program from this location. The software then believes that this folder is a CD-ROM drive and after installation looks there for any data it needs that the program would normally find on the CD-ROM. All you need is enough hard drive space to copy the contents of the CD-ROM and leave it on your hard disk. There are two advantages to this approach if the program you are using normally looks for information on a CD-ROM. 1. You don't have to find the CD-ROM and insert it in the drive. 2. Execution is faster since data is accessed at hard disk speed rather than CD-ROM speed. John From cph Thu Oct 12 11:32:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA07726 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:32:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12264; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:28:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12042; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12021; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.66 -> mail9.wlv.netzero.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:28:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 19488 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2000 15:28:18 -0000 Received: from pppa56-resalereno1-2r7278.saturn.bbn.com (HELO CHUCK) (4.16.228.213) by mail9.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 12 Oct 2000 15:28:18 -0000 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: tHINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:28:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: TP560X network CD-ROM drive Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Message-ID: <39E57617.29223.2FC2C1@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.20001012080426.0097d780@pop.goamerica.net> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: On 12 Oct 2000, at 8:04, Not Me wrote: > > What I've done with mapping software fro DeLorme and Rand McNally is > to copy the entire contents of the CD-ROM to a folder on my hard > drive..... I use a very nice "Virtual CD" program from http://www.farstone.com That works well and also allows you to compress the CD's data as it's being copied to the hard drive. 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Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Thu Oct 12 11:44:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA07835 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:44:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15042; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:41:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14664; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14651; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.58 -> mail8.wlv.netzero.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:41:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 13930 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2000 15:40:59 -0000 Received: from pppa56-resalereno1-2r7278.saturn.bbn.com (HELO CHUCK) (4.16.228.213) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 12 Oct 2000 15:40:59 -0000 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: tHINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:40:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Eating Egghead Crow Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Message-ID: <39E5791A.28645.3B88C9@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: You warned me. So now I'll eat crow. Got an email from Egghead yesterday saying the battery for my 600E that I'd ordered a month ago for a really great price could not be shipped due to "problems with the seller." Of course Egghead had charged my credit card immediately and got to keep that money for a month before refunding it yesterday. (A practice I've complained to the BBB about, not that it'll do any good). So that makes me about 2 (bad) and 4 (satisfactory) for purchases >from Egghead. YMMV _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Thu Oct 12 13:01:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA08504 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:01:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26278; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:57:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25981; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25962; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:56:57 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-27.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.132]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA17434; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:56:53 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , Subject: RE: Eating Egghead Crow Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:02:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39E5791A.28645.3B88C9@localhost> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Chuck Blaisdell [mailto:cblaisd@tdl.com] wrote: > Got an email from Egghead yesterday saying the battery for my > 600E that I'd ordered a month ago for a really great price could not > be shipped due to "problems with the seller." Were these the ones allegedly coming directly from IBM? I ordered two and still haven't heard _anything_ from Egghead about them. Every time I ask about them I'm told they're in the process of being sent, WTH _that_ means! > Of course Egghead had charged my credit card immediately and > got to keep that money for a month before refunding it yesterday. > (A practice I've complained to the BBB about, not that it'll do any > good). Yep, they charged my AMEX immediately. I'll see if I get an email from them today. Regards, James From cph Thu Oct 12 15:35:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA09844 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:35:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12434; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:23:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11813; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11799; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:23:18 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.48.1.243 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:22:20 -0700 Message-ID: <009d01c03482$46d30040$7902303f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: New 701 keyboards $30 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:26:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Thinkpad Keyboard Item #466422698 Visit ebay, and enter this item number. I think theres a couple of days left. Brad Day after day, alone on a hill. The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still.... From cph Thu Oct 12 15:47:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA09906 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:47:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15144; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:43:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14740; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14719; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:43:27 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a23.pm3-24.theriver.com [206.102.192.39]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5677226028; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:43:14 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <39E61574.E2A5C63B@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:48:04 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cblaisd@tdl.com Cc: tHINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Eating Egghead Crow References: <39E5791A.28645.3B88C9@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > > You warned me. > > So now I'll eat crow. > > Got an email from Egghead yesterday saying the battery for my > 600E that I'd ordered a month ago for a really great price could not > be shipped due to "problems with the seller." > These batteries were for sale through OnSale/Egghead from a New York company not for IBM. This is why I did not buy one and I think that I posted a message or read one here on the list that this company had/has a poor reputation. > Of course Egghead had charged my credit card immediately and > got to keep that money for a month before refunding it yesterday. > (A practice I've complained to the BBB about, not that it'll do any > good). > They charge your card 'in good faith' with shipment expected in less than 24 hours from time of charge, which is quite legal. When they hand off to a 'third party' that is when problems happen. I've advised Egghead that this is quite illegal under Arizona and California law. Now they are supposed to place a 'hold' against the card, which insures that the charge will go through when the item is shipped or within 24 hours prior to shipment. Of course, if the item is no longer available, they (Egghead) are required to credit your account within 24 hours. This seems to be a major problem with their 'New York' company and Egghead and Egghead ends up with Egg someplace else. > So that makes me about 2 (bad) and 4 (satisfactory) for purchases > from Egghead. Mine is one bad and about six good experiences with Egghead. Again, read the description carefully and may the "Buyer Beware". > > YMMV Definately. BTW, several 'free' internet services use the same phone number down here and connecting can be a real challange.... 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12 Oct 2000 17:44:46 -0000 Received: from sttl6400gw3poola2.sttl.uswest.net (HELO jmcjr) (63.225.173.2) by sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 12 Oct 2000 17:44:46 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001012104642.008a2e40@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:46:42 -0700 To: cblaisd@tdl.com, tHINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Not Me Subject: Source for ThinkPad batteries (was Re: Eating Egghead Crow) In-Reply-To: <39E5791A.28645.3B88C9@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:40 AM 10/12/00 -0700, Chuck Blaisdell wrote: >You warned me. > >So now I'll eat crow. > >Got an email from Egghead yesterday saying the battery for my >600E that I'd ordered a month ago for a really great price could not >be shipped due to "problems with the seller." The best place I've found for batteries is ebay. Bought two so far for my 600E, one is a spare primary battery and the other is the second battery for the Ultraslimbay. Each battery cost less than $100 including shipping. I only buy new batteries in the original box (NIB) from sellers with a lot of positive feedback. John > >Of course Egghead had charged my credit card immediately and >got to keep that money for a month before refunding it yesterday. >(A practice I've complained to the BBB about, not that it'll do any >good). > >So that makes me about 2 (bad) and 4 (satisfactory) for purchases >from Egghead. > >YMMV > >_______________________________________________ >Why pay for something you could get for free? >NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email >http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > From cph Thu Oct 12 17:13:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA10704 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:13:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27104; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:09:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26696; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26676; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (24.30.163.11 -> laxmls02.socal.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:09:46 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (sc-24-24-233-88.socal.rr.com [24.24.233.88]) by laxmls02.socal.rr.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9CL8er23773 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:08:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: mikeford@pop-server.socal.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20001012080426.0097d780@pop.goamerica.net> References: <001101c0342b$dff09d20$028d273f@math.hawaii.edu> <39E571EF.AB2C968A@mail.orion.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:27:48 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: TP560X network CD-ROM drive List-Unsubscribe: >There are two advantages to this approach if the program you are >using normally looks for information on a CD-ROM. > >1. You don't have to find the CD-ROM and insert it in the drive. > >2. Execution is faster since data is accessed at hard disk speed >rather than CD-ROM speed. Make that 3, ie you don't have a CDrom drive on the portable. From cph Fri Oct 13 00:14:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA13338 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:14:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21677; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:10:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21308; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21291; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:10:35 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-112.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.112]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9D4AL917156; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:10:21 -0700 Message-ID: <39E68B21.8F10BFEF@mail.orion.org> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:10:09 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: TP560X network CD-ROM drive References: <20001012103809.27135.qmail@ww156.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Rob Bell wrote: > > If you are accessing the network CD via UNC (\\servername\sharename), then you > have one more thing to try. On the client (560), map a drive letter to the > UNC share (so G: = \\servername\sharename). Many CD-based programs require a > drive letter and the corresponding 'mapped-as-root' drive in order to work. > > If you've already got it mapped to a drive letter, then I don't know what to > tell you... Yes, unfortunately this is what I'm doing and it doesn't work. I have the network CD-ROM mapped to D: and the SkyMap software doesn't pick it up. Oh well. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Fri Oct 13 00:16:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA13352 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:15:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22100; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:12:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21628; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21610; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:12:55 -0400 Received: from adsl-151-202-18-129.nyc.adsl.bellatlantic.net (adsl-151-202-18-129.nyc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.202.18.129] (may be forged)) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA16801; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010130412.AAA16801@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> From: "Philip R. Mann" To: "David Ross" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Philip R. Mann" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <002101c033b5$ce92d3c0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: More DVD stuff (was The 600E is here!) List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:02:29 -1000, David Ross wrote: >> In the meantime, is there a DVD player for OS/2? > >Good luck on this one. It's been "announced" that an IBM customer has paid for this. Expected delivery as part of Software Choice (or eCS) is 1Q 2001, I believe. ----- PRM ----- From cph Fri Oct 13 11:29:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA16306 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:29:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08562; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:23:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07840; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web209.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07821; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web209.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.109 -> web209.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:23:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 11495 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2000 15:23:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20001013152348.11494.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.111.128.22] by web209.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:23:48 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:23:48 -0700 (PDT) From: brian anderson Subject: subscribe To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Fri Oct 13 13:07:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA17184 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:07:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20395; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:02:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19822; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19805; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:02:12 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-149.gate.net [207.36.212.149]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20448; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:02:09 -0400 Message-ID: <39E74043.90C07BB5@gate.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:02:59 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Small CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: current ThinkPad models References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Acer makes the "i" series.. i have seen one, disassembled it, and its OK.. no time to play with it, but for the $$, it is NOT a bomb.. not a 770 or A series either.. big and heavy, but i bought one to use as a juke box for MP3 tunes.. (i'll put a Napster Logo on it) John Small wrote: > Can someone provide a thumbnail sketch of the current ThinkPad offerings from a > user's point of view? Or a pointer to an existing list? > > I have reviewed the listing by ibm at ... > > http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/moreabout.html > > and I have been particularly struck by the lack of discussion here on the > i-series. Maybe it is/was a bomb? > > Thanks. > > -jts > ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Oct 13 14:09:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA17842 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:09:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27283; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:03:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26930; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26912; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:03:39 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-149.gate.net [207.36.212.149]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA36134; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:03:36 -0400 Message-ID: <39E74EA9.6E55AACE@gate.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:04:25 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: A21P differences? References: <3.0.1.32.20001011222638.00ae25e0@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: no combo card to combo card, add $100, win98 to w2k add $100.. :-) Jane Loyless wrote: > At 08:33 PM 10/11/2000 -0500, T. wrote: > > >I can't locate any differences in the product descriptions for these > >models. > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/ is an invaluable resource for > determining model differences. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Oct 13 14:23:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA17997 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:23:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29225; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:18:47 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28738; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:18:46 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id OAA23107 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01728; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010131423.KAA01728@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.35 -> out5.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:23:59 -0400 Received: from jmsthinkpad600x ([32.102.11.101]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <2000101314235620504uaojne>; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:23:57 +0000 From: "J. Michael Stolp" To: "Thinkpad List" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:19:54 -0600 Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [TP600X] Clone or "Dup" Laptop Hard Drive List-Unsubscribe: >From personal experience I am well aware of the practical issues involved with making backups of laptop hard drives. Backups are not particularly the problem - it seems more the issue of emergency restore of the entire hard drive. I am also aware of the ongoing discussions about different strategies, including backup to network, backup to cdrom, etc. etc. It seems all these alternatives involve some degree of "bootstrapping" an operating system to the point where the laptop can find the backup set on the network or whatever. As a practical observation, it appears OS/2 Warp is less of a problem to deal with than WinXX; however, even Warp poses backup restore issues in the context of a laptop. What are the pluses and minuses of the following proposed approach? I would like to have 2 identical hard drives for the Thinkpad. In some manner I would like to cable the 2 hard drives together, perhaps connected to or hosted by my desktop, and then clone exactly the one hard drive to the other. In this manner, if ANYTHING happens to the primary hard drive, one merely slaps in the backup HD. One of the local computer shops did this for me using a rather expensive machine to "dup" the one HD to the other - 12gb in 30 minutes or so. Is this approach reasonable or possible in the home or small office environment? What cabling is necessary? Where does one get it? Would one use the desktop as the host? What software? Norton Ghost? Other software? Thanks for any thoughts. -- Warmest Regards. Mike J. Michael Stolp, C.P.A., Managing Partner Registered Investment Advisor Homepage http://www.taxsavings.com Xelan, The Economic Association of Health Professionals P.O. Box 91567, 8809 Washington St. NE, Suite 150 Albuquerque, New Mexico 87199-1567 Phone 505/856-1100 * Fax 505/856-1197 Wells Fargo Plaza, 125 Lincoln Avenue, Suite 400 Santa Fe, New Mexico 87501 Phone 505/455-1500 * Fax 505/856-1197 8360 E. Via De Ventura, Suite L-200 Scottsdale, Arizona 85258 Phone 480/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 From cph Fri Oct 13 14:48:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA18175 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:48:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02680; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:42:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01870; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01843; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:42:49 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-10.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.115]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA03648; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:42:44 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "J. Michael Stolp" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: [TP600X] Clone or "Dup" Laptop Hard Drive Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:48:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200010131423.KAA01728@cs.utk.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: J. Michael Stolp [mailto:mstolp@xelan.com] wrote: > I would like to have 2 identical hard drives for the Thinkpad. In > some manner I would like to cable the 2 hard drives together, > perhaps connected to or hosted by my desktop, and then clone > exactly the one hard drive to the other. In this manner, if > ANYTHING happens to the primary hard drive, one merely slaps in the > backup HD. Doing this is simplicity itself if you use the $29 second HD adapter (one of the last true bargains left, IMHO!) for the TP600 and mount your second HD in it. Then just run your preferred cloneware (I personally prefer DriveCopy, others speak well of Ghost) and clone the drive. Presto, a bootable, complete backup of your primary drive. Regards, James From cph Fri Oct 13 14:48:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA18184 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:48:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02756; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:42:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01931; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.panix.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01918; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:42:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail1.panix.com (166.84.0.212 -> mail1.panix.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:42:57 -0400 Received: from aSqueakSystem (broccole.dialup.access.net [166.84.249.114]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B2AB748A3F for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:42:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: Celeste 2.0.2492 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:35:28 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: T20 vs. T21 - why did IBM drop the T20 so quickly? Message-Id: <20001013184247.B2AB748A3F@mail1.panix.com> List-Unsubscribe: Why has IBM launched the T21 so soon after introducing the T20? I know the T21 is getting the SXGA screens, but changing screen size/resolution has not warranted a major model designation change in the past. I have seen a couple of reports of serious overheating problems, perhaps associated with the video. Has anybody in the group with a T20 experienced significant problems? More generally, is there any real reason to avoid buying a T20 to wait a bit for the T21s to become more available/affordable? BTW, I run OS/2 and Linux. IBM talks about making Linux available on the T21s but not in connection with the T20s - that makes me wonder what the real differences are under the hood. Any help, comments are greatly appreciated. Michael Cole Squeaking From cph Fri Oct 13 16:18:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA18933 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:18:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15142; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:12:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14561; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14548; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:12:26 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id QAA12194; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:12:17 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id QAA29815; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001013125739.02a984e8@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:59:04 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: T20 vs. T21 - why did IBM drop the T20 so quickly? In-Reply-To: <20001013184247.B2AB748A3F@mail1.panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 02:35 PM 10/13/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Why has IBM launched the T21 so soon after introducing the T20? I know >the T21 is getting the SXGA screens, but changing screen size/resolution >has not warranted a major model designation change in the past. > >I have seen a couple of reports of serious overheating problems, perhaps >associated with the video. Has anybody in the group with a T20 >experienced significant problems? None--and I demo photo & video software for a living, travelling with my T20 all the time. >More generally, is there any real >reason to avoid buying a T20 to wait a bit for the T21s to become more >available/affordable? I don't see one, but personally...I sort of wish I had a T21...I like the idea of that higher-res screen (but still not sure if its practical or not, given the physical real estate). From cph Fri Oct 13 19:46:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA20365 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:46:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03330; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:43:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03073; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03059; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:43:16 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.250]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001013234315.IHQF23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:43:15 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001013193907.00ae9610@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:39:07 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: [TP600X] Clone or "Dup" Laptop Hard Drive In-Reply-To: References: <200010131423.KAA01728@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:48 PM 10/13/2000 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: >Doing this is simplicity itself if you use the $29 second HD adapter (one of the >last true bargains left, IMHO!) for the TP600 and mount your second HD in it. > >Then just run your preferred cloneware (I personally prefer DriveCopy, others >speak well of Ghost) and clone the drive. > >Presto, a bootable, complete backup of your primary drive. > Yup, I just bought a new drive from Bill Morrow and used DriveCopy to clone my existing drive this afternoon. Typing on the new one now. It took about 90 minutes from bare drive to bootable copy. From cph Fri Oct 13 20:15:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA20563 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:15:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05917; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:12:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05734; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05721; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (209.44.133.26 -> 209-44-133-26.pdq.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:12:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17379; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:57:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:57:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: cole@griffoninc.com cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 vs. T21 - why did IBM drop the T20 so quickly? In-Reply-To: <20001013184247.B2AB748A3F@mail1.panix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I've had my T20 since they first came out, never any heat problems. My normal setup drives an external 21" monitor and the built in LCD. No matter what I throw at it, the video has never let me down. On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 cole@griffoninc.com wrote: > I have seen a couple of reports of serious overheating problems, perhaps > associated with the video. Has anybody in the group with a T20 > experienced significant problems? More generally, is there any real -- -Mitch --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Fri Oct 13 20:23:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA20630 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:23:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06922; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:20:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06722; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06709; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:20:58 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-1.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.154]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA25931; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:20:53 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Jane Loyless" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: [TP600X] Clone or "Dup" Laptop Hard Drive Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:27:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20001013193907.00ae9610@pop.mindspring.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Jane Loyless [mailto:jloyless@netbox.com] wrote, > Yup, I just bought a new drive from Bill Morrow and used DriveCopy to clone > my existing drive this afternoon. Typing on the new one now. It took > about 90 minutes from bare drive to bootable copy. Wow! 90 minutes to drivecopy!?!? Jane, you must have a BIG pair! ;-) James Ducking & Running!!! From cph Fri Oct 13 20:55:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA20833 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:55:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09536; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:52:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09331; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09318; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.142 -> mta4.snfc21.pbi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:52:28 -0400 Received: from Dan770Z ([32.101.128.35]) by mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0G2E001BNAEHZ9@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:51:52 -0700 From: Dan Galender Subject: Win2000 Error Message To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) List-Unsubscribe: Here's one for you: Over the past several weeks I've been getting the following error message under Windows 2000 on my ThinkPad 770Z: "The device driver to the 'Generic volume' device is preventing the machine >from entering standby. Please close all applications and try again. If the problem persist, you may need to update this driver." I think it started after I inserted a compact flash memory card from my digital camera and a PCCard adapter into one of the PCCard slots. It comes up every time the ThinkPad wants to go into standby mode. I can't find 'generic volume' under in the device manager, so I can't see how to 'uninstall' the device. Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks in advance. Best regards, -Dan Galender From cph Fri Oct 13 21:32:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA20959 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:32:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12099; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:28:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11858; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11836; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010140128.VAA11836@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:28:47 -0400 Received: from slip-32-100-243-12.ma.us.prserv.net ([32.100.243.12]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000101401284423902lj65je>; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:28:45 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Cc: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 00 21:27:54 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: What of Win98 default install can I eliminate? List-Unsubscribe: Now repartitioning 10 gb HD and need to free up space on pre-installed Win98. What can I delete? I assume there is lots of junk. For example: - games - all stuff pointing to advertising etc I assume there are FAQs/help files somewhere on the Net which offer suggestions so feel free to point me to them. I am a knowledgeable Win3.1 user and know how to clear out all its junk, but not too familiar with Win98. I will retain this partition because it has all the hardware configuration utilities and also the DVD s/w. Other than that I really don't need anything except the dialer and browser (for dialing in to download Win98 stuff I might need someday). Thanks for all help. Jeffrey Race From cph Fri Oct 13 21:55:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA21056 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:55:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14309; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:52:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13914; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13901; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (199.224.64.56 -> lima.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:52:44 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp70.epix.net [199.224.125.70]) by lima.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000080901/PL) with SMTP id e9E1qbh16852 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010140152.e9E1qbh16852@lima.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:42:20 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: A20m and OS2 - impressions; modem - winjunk? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2a/20 List-Unsubscribe: I have an A20m with an os2 preload from Indelible Blue - it's working nicely under OS2 (the environment of choice) with a couple of minor glitches: 1. As IB warned me, if you shut down (or CAD) from OS2, you need to power off before rebooting. I am told that this is an ATI glitch. 2. Hibernate won't work from OS2. That is, it works, but unhibernating is a disaster. This may be related to the previous problem. So I disabled hibernation in w98 (3 times; each time I rebooted, it claimed that hibernation was still enabled. I finally blew away the hibernation file on the W98 drive from an os2 command line). Suspend is working nicely for me. The display on this machine is really awesome! However - the internal modem seems to be wintrash - it doesn't even respond to AT commands from ZOC. So - what are the options? a. Is there a replacement for the internal modem that is usable without windrivers? b. Otherwise, what are the best bets for PCMCIA modems? I currently have a 3com 3c589c PCMCIA NIC that is working OK under Warp and also W98 - I'm still 10base2 here and will be for a while, so need the BNC connector option. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- All power corrupts, but we need the electricity. From cph Fri Oct 13 22:54:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA21277 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:54:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17504; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:51:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17322; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17309; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:51:10 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.48.0.54 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:50:13 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c0358a$0224d0a0$3600303f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: 560X Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:54:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I'm thinking of picking one of these up, pent 233. What does the ram and the HD max out at? Thanks Brad Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. From cph Fri Oct 13 23:13:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA21359 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:13:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18736; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:10:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18543; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18528; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.23.17 -> wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:10:31 -0400 Received: (qmail 16047 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Oct 2000 03:10:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20001014031029.16046.qmail@wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.17 by wwcst272 for [24.163.172.50] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Sat Oct 14 03:10:29 GMT 2000 Date: 13 Oct 00 22:10:29 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Dan Galender , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win2000 Error Message X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id XAA21360 You may have better luck locating and removing the offending device with the following: 1. Go to Control Panel --> Add/Remove Hardware 2. Click 'Next', then 'Uninstall/unplug device' 3. Click 'Next', then 'Uninstall device' 4. When the hardware driver list comes up, check the 'Show Hidden Devices' box. 5. Now look through the list for the offending device. Good luck! Rob Dan Galender wrote: > Here's one for you: > > Over the past several weeks I've been getting the following error message > under Windows 2000 on my ThinkPad 770Z: > > "The device driver to the 'Generic volume' device is preventing the machine > from entering standby. Please close all applications and try again. If the > problem persist, you may need to update this driver." > > > I think it started after I inserted a compact flash memory card from my > digital camera and a PCCard adapter into one of the PCCard slots. It comes > up every time the ThinkPad wants to go into standby mode. I can't find > 'generic volume' under in the device manager, so I can't see how to > 'uninstall' the device. Anyone have any thoughts? > > Thanks in advance. > > > Best regards, > > -Dan Galender ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Fri Oct 13 23:38:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA21461 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:38:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20080; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:35:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19949; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19936; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:35:57 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-1.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.154]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA30339 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 03:35:55 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: [TP655/760] Floppy Drives at Louie's Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:42:12 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Our friend Louie the Liquidator is at it again. These _appear_ to be 755/760 floppy drives and I have no doubt a quick email or phone call to Louie from any of you that might be looking for one of these will get you the FRU number. http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/inproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=6&sku=FD%2D05HG%2D5668 $9.00 each plus shipping and Louie's usual bag of gourmet jellybeans. I don't need any more floppy drives at the moment, but those of you on diets can forward their unwanted jellybeans to me. Regards, James From cph Fri Oct 13 23:46:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA21496 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:46:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20687; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:43:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20512; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20499; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:43:53 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-1.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.154]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA31489; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 03:43:50 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Brad Burean" , "Thinkpad Users" Subject: RE: 560X Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:50:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001301c0358a$0224d0a0$3600303f@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Brad Burean [mailto:Burean@email.msn.com] wrote: > I'm thinking of picking one of these up, pent 233. What does the ram and > the HD max out at? Ram allegedly maxes at 96, but there was a guy on the NG who said he put a 128 SODIMM in one for 160 total. HD _should_ be whatever can physically fit. I haven't heard of HD limits on the 560X or Z, just the 560 and 560E. HTH, James From cph Sat Oct 14 01:44:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA21977 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:44:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24933; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:40:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24741; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24720; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:40:09 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id BAA04598; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:40:08 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id BAA29238; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001013223417.02ab0c98@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:35:47 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: [TP600X] Clone or "Dup" Laptop Hard Drive In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.20001013193907.00ae9610@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:27 PM 10/13/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Jane Loyless [mailto:jloyless@netbox.com] wrote, > > > Yup, I just bought a new drive from Bill Morrow and used DriveCopy to clone > > my existing drive this afternoon. Typing on the new one now. It took > > about 90 minutes from bare drive to bootable copy. > >Wow! 90 minutes to drivecopy!?!? That's not uncommon--I've had Drive Copy do its thing for 3 1/2 hrs to dup a whole drive in the 12 GB range. From cph Sat Oct 14 03:56:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA22408 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 03:56:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00179; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 03:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 03:52:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00006; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 03:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29988; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 03:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 03:52:35 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA09986; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:52:29 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001901c035b3$b5b797a0$ef5b183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Brad Burean" , "Thinkpad Users" References: <001301c0358a$0224d0a0$3600303f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: 560X Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:52:30 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > I'm thinking of picking one of these up, pent 233. What does the ram and > the HD max out at? There is 32 megs on the MB, and then you can put in any chip that will work on your other 560. I don't know about the HD. BTW, I am so far impressed with how much better the machine is (speed of course, but solidity too) than my regular 560. I don't know how well the newer plastic composite takes a paint job:-) - David R. From cph Sat Oct 14 04:03:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA22444 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:03:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA00945; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:01:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA00832; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA00818; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (194.29.192.20 -> netsonic.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:00:58 -0400 Received: from TP560X (letku107.adsl.netsonic.fi [194.29.195.107]) by nalle.netsonic.fi (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e9E80eu27618 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:00:40 +0300 Message-Id: <200010140800.e9E80eu27618@nalle.netsonic.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:00:36 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: 560X X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 at 11:50 PM you, "James H. E. Maugham" , said: >Ram allegedly maxes at 96, but there was a guy on the NG who said he put >a 128 SODIMM in one for 160 total. I have 96 MB in mine (32 + 64). I asked once (on this list) about 128 MB modules for the TP560 and I was told there weren't any. >HD _should_ be whatever can physically fit. I haven't heard of HD limits >on the 560X or Z, just the 560 and 560E. I was able to install a 18 GB Toshiba drive in my 560X with no problem. -Dominique From cph Sat Oct 14 04:13:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA22484 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:13:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02395; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:10:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02262; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02248; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (194.29.192.20 -> netsonic.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:10:12 -0400 Received: from TP560X (letku107.adsl.netsonic.fi [194.29.195.107]) by nalle.netsonic.fi (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e9E8AAu27725 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:10:10 +0300 Message-Id: <200010140810.e9E8AAu27725@nalle.netsonic.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:10:07 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200010140152.e9E1qbh16852@lima.epix.net> Subject: Re: A20m and OS2 - impressions; modem - winjunk? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 at 09:42 PM you, "Julian Thomas" , said: >I have an A20m with an os2 preload from Indelible Blue - it's working >nicely under OS2 (the environment of choice) with a couple of minor >glitches: Nice to hear, since the A20 has no official OS/2 support. You may want to report your success to Dr. Martinus Notebook/2 site (which lists OS/2 compatible notebooks) at http://www.os2ss.com/users/DrMartinus/nbinput.htm It's a convenient resource for people looking for a laptop that is known to work with OS/2. >b. Otherwise, what are the best bets for PCMCIA modems? I currently >have a 3com 3c589c PCMCIA NIC that is working OK under Warp and also W98 >- I'm still 10base2 here and will be for a while, so need the BNC >connector option. How fast is your A20? I've read reports on newsgroups that the 3c589 traps with faster machines (> 500 Mhz). I like this NIC and it has been working perfectly on all my ThinkPads (the fastest I have is a TP600E/PII300). -Dominique From cph Sat Oct 14 10:28:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA23831 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:28:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23768; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:24:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23283; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23265; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:24:44 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.247]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001014142442.RCGL4021.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:24:42 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001014102035.00afea90@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:20:35 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: [TP600X] Clone or "Dup" Laptop Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001013223417.02ab0c98@pop3.iceka.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20001013193907.00ae9610@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:35 PM 10/13/2000 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >That's not uncommon--I've had Drive Copy do its thing for 3 1/2 >hrs to dup a whole drive in the 12 GB range. > I was moving a 6.4GB NTFS drive that was stuffed to the gills. I didn't do a chkdisk on it first, so I let DriveCopy check for file system errors on it as well as checking for bad sectors on the target drive. It was tedious, but overall I was pretty pleased. My alternative was to either: 1) find all my install disks/cds/files and reload NT40 and all my software >from scratch or 2) back the 6.4GB up to tape and restore it to the new drive (after doing a skeleton NT40 install there). Either of those would have been much more painful and time-consuming. Particularly option 1. It's amazing how having more room has speeded up my TP. From cph Sat Oct 14 10:29:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA23835 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:29:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23425; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:22:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23099; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23085; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iso.net (64.217.45.201 -> iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:22:52 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial27.fyvl.telxcom.net [64.217.44.155]) by iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA80342 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:22:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <39E88851.161A0566@iso.net> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:22:42 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: What of Win98 default install can I eliminate? References: <200010140128.VAA11836@cs.utk.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Welcome to almost the 21st century. (I just couldn't stop my fingers from typing that.) For a radical view go to http://www.98lite.net/ and see their Windows 98 on diet pills. Bill "Dr. Jeffrey Race" wrote: > Now repartitioning 10 gb HD and need to free up space on pre-installed > Win98. What can I delete? I assume there is lots of junk. For > example: > > - games > - all stuff pointing to advertising etc > > I assume there are FAQs/help files somewhere on the Net which offer > suggestions so feel free to point me to them. > > I am a knowledgeable Win3.1 user and know how to clear out all its junk, > but not too familiar with Win98. I will retain this partition because > it has all the hardware configuration utilities and also the DVD s/w. > Other than that I really don't need anything except the dialer and > browser (for dialing in to download Win98 stuff I might need someday). > > Thanks for all help. > > Jeffrey Race From cph Sat Oct 14 12:30:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA24372 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:30:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05209; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:26:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04902; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04876; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.4 -> sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:26:34 -0400 Received: (qmail 58935 invoked by alias); 14 Oct 2000 16:25:25 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 57515 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2000 16:24:48 -0000 Received: from sttl6400gw3poola2.sttl.uswest.net (HELO jmcjr) (63.225.173.2) by sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Oct 2000 16:24:48 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001014092517.00888100@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:25:17 -0700 To: "Brad Burean" , "Thinkpad Users" From: Not Me Subject: Re: 560X In-Reply-To: <001301c0358a$0224d0a0$3600303f@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:54 PM 10/13/2000 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >I'm thinking of picking one of these up, pent 233. What does the ram and >the HD max out at? I have 96MB of memory in my 560X. Recently I had an 18GB IBM Travelstar drive installed. John From cph Sat Oct 14 13:58:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA24754 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:58:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11375; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:54:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11160; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11147; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (198.144.205.90 -> m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:54:55 -0400 Received: from 172.16.74.1 by NewPad ([172.16.74.1] running VPOP3) with ESMTP; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:54:49 -0700 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Subject: RE: [TP600X] Clone or "Dup" Laptop Hard Drive Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:54:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001013223417.02ab0c98@pop3.iceka.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.4.0b - Registered List-Unsubscribe: > >Wow! 90 minutes to drivecopy!?!? > > That's not uncommon--I've had Drive Copy do its thing for 3 1/2 > hrs to dup a whole drive in the 12 GB range. On my machines, Ghost is *much* faster than Drive Copy, Drive Image, or Partition Magic. Cloning a nearly-full 18Gb drive with Ghost takes less than an hour on the 400MHz 600E, and less than 40 minutes on the 750 MHz A20p. That's about 3-4 times faster than the speeds I was getting with the PowerQuest products. I have no idea why the huge difference. -Mike From cph Sat Oct 14 14:11:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA24809 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:11:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12575; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:07:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12394; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12380; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (198.144.205.90 -> m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:07:32 -0400 Received: from 172.16.74.1 by NewPad ([172.16.74.1] running VPOP3) with ESMTP; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:07:31 -0700 From: "Michael Geary" To: "J. Michael Stolp" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: [TP600X] Clone or "Dup" Laptop Hard Drive Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:07:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200010131423.KAA01728@cs.utk.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.4.0b - Registered List-Unsubscribe: > What are the pluses and minuses of the following proposed approach? > > I would like to have 2 identical hard drives for the Thinkpad. In > some manner I would like to cable the 2 hard drives together, > perhaps connected to or hosted by my desktop, and then clone > exactly the one hard drive to the other. In this manner, if > ANYTHING happens to the primary hard drive, one merely slaps in the > backup HD. > > One of the local computer shops did this for me using a rather > expensive machine to "dup" the one HD to the other - 12gb in 30 > minutes or so. James explained the hardware you need--the $29 second HDD adapter--and with a copy of Ghost you've got your own magic duplicating machine. (Ghost is several times faster than the various PowerQuest products such as Drive Copy--Ghost will copy your drive in 30-45 minutes, where the PowerQuest stuff will take at least a couple hours.) But listen up: You need at least THREE identical hard drives to do this cloning backup safely. With two drives, what's the first thing that happens when you start a backup running? The drive copy program ERASES YOUR OLD BACKUP. So during that period while you're running the backup operation, you have NO BACKUP. By using three drives, you can alternate back and forth between them, backing up onto the older of the two, so you always have your most recent backup even while you're making a new backup. -Mike From cph Sat Oct 14 16:06:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA25216 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:06:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19913; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:02:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19686; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19673; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:02:54 -0400 Received: from desktop (user-38ld7u9.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.159.201]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA10029; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801c034fe$627ef980$c99f56d1@desktop> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Michael Geary" , "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Subject: Re: [TP600X] Clone or "Dup" Laptop Hard Drive Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:14:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Drive copy takes about 25 minutes on my 6.4 gig tp760xl p166. The drive is not densly packed with data, but is about 1/2 full. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Geary To: Randal Whittle ; TP List Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 1:56 PM Subject: RE: [TP600X] Clone or "Dup" Laptop Hard Drive >> >Wow! 90 minutes to drivecopy!?!? >> >> That's not uncommon--I've had Drive Copy do its thing for 3 1/2 >> hrs to dup a whole drive in the 12 GB range. > >On my machines, Ghost is *much* faster than Drive Copy, Drive Image, or >Partition Magic. > >Cloning a nearly-full 18Gb drive with Ghost takes less than an hour on the >400MHz 600E, and less than 40 minutes on the 750 MHz A20p. That's about 3-4 >times faster than the speeds I was getting with the PowerQuest products. I >have no idea why the huge difference. > >-Mike > From cph Sat Oct 14 16:14:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA25257 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:14:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20832; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:11:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20605; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20591; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:11:27 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.162]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001014201125.MOGL2291.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:11:25 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001014160717.01857bd0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:07:17 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: [TP600X] Clone or "Dup" Laptop Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <000801c034fe$627ef980$c99f56d1@desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:14 AM 10/13/00 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: >Drive copy takes about 25 minutes on my 6.4 gig tp760xl p166. >The drive is not densly packed with data, but is about 1/2 full. > I was keeping an eye on it while it was running, and at least half of the 90 minutes was spent verifying either the old data or the new disk. The copy part ran rather quickly. From cph Sat Oct 14 16:35:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA25352 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:35:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22615; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:31:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22336; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22323; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:31:57 -0400 Received: from 191.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.149.191]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001014203156.IZZT18564.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@191.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:31:56 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Re: 560X Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:31:55 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39e8c1d6.93231358@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20001014092517.00888100@pop.goamerica.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20001014092517.00888100@pop.goamerica.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA25353 On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:25:17 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:54 PM 10/13/2000 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >>I'm thinking of picking one of these up, pent 233. What does the >ram and >>the HD max out at? > >I have 96MB of memory in my 560X. Have you tried a larger RAM chip? IBM has a tendency to understate the max amount of RAM. I remember with my 560 (the Pentium 133Mhz model) they claimed a max RAM limit of 40MB because the largest available upgrade at the time was 32MB. When 64MB chips became available, they worked without a hitch. We had a similar discussion recently about the 600E, where the stated max. is 288MB but JHEM got his to 384MB. Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Sat Oct 14 17:30:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA25625 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:30:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26665; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:28:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26379; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26366; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:28:02 -0400 Received: from techshop ([64.108.208.247]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20001014212755.GQQA11628.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@techshop> for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:27:55 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c03624$6e78b1a0$0a01a8c0@techshop> From: "Matt Winston" To: Subject: Is There A Prankster In My Computer? Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:19:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C035FA.853DF460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C035FA.853DF460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My TP 560, running W98SE, connected to DSL via PPPoE software has = recently developed the nasty habit of moving the mouse pointer all by = itself. And I mean all over the place! I'll be reading mail, and the = pointer starts moving, jumping really, all over the display. Acts like = it's left clicking to open drop down menus, etc. Now even when = disconnected from the web it happens. I've got Norton AV with the latest = virus definitions, and after a full system scan it reports no virus = found. I'm also running ZoneAlarm on the DSL connection to prevent = external access. Programs running in the background are nothing special = or unusual, and no recent software additions or removals. It's been = running fine until this jumping mouse developed. Any idea what demon = lurks in the depths of this ThinkPad? Thanks for the assistance. Matt ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C035FA.853DF460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My TP 560, running W98SE, connected to DSL via = PPPoE=20 software has recently developed the nasty habit of moving the mouse = pointer all=20 by itself. And I mean all over the place! I'll be reading mail, and the = pointer=20 starts moving, jumping really, all over the display. Acts like it's left = clicking to open drop down menus, etc. Now even when disconnected = >from the=20 web it happens. I've got Norton AV with the latest virus = definitions, and=20 after a full system scan it reports no virus found. I'm also running = ZoneAlarm=20 on the DSL connection to prevent external access. Programs running in = the=20 background are nothing special or unusual, and no recent software = additions or=20 removals. It's been running fine until this jumping mouse developed. Any = idea=20 what demon lurks in the depths of this ThinkPad? Thanks for the=20 assistance.
Matt
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C035FA.853DF460-- From cph Sat Oct 14 17:40:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA25664 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:39:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27668; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:37:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27496; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27482; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (199.224.64.56 -> lima.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:37:38 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp99.epix.net [199.224.125.99]) by lima.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000080901/PL) with SMTP id e9ELbVh12417 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010142137.e9ELbVh12417@lima.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:32:51 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200010140810.e9E8AAu27725@nalle.netsonic.fi> Subject: Re: A20m and OS2 - impressions; modem - winjunk? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2a/20 List-Unsubscribe: In <200010140810.e9E8AAu27725@nalle.netsonic.fi>, on 10/14/00 at 11:10 AM, Dominique Pivard typed: >Nice to hear, since the A20 has no official OS/2 support. You may want to >report your success to Dr. Martinus Notebook/2 site (which lists OS/2 >compatible notebooks) at >http://www.os2ss.com/users/DrMartinus/nbinput.htm I was encouraged to get the machine when I found that IB would preload OS2 and a bunch of goodies. While I am capable of loading OS2 on a new machine (and have done it on many occasions), their price for the preload was advantageous just in terms of the licenses for warp and OD 2.0 and some other stuff. >How fast is your A20? I've read reports on newsgroups that the 3c589 >traps with faster machines (> 500 Mhz). I like this NIC and it has been >working perfectly on all my ThinkPads (the fastest I have is a >TP600E/PII300). I lucked out. My machine is a celery 500. I'd seen those reports also. Even as the slowest of the line, it's satisfyingly fast compared to the venerable 755CE that I'm retiring - actually selling to a friend who wants a machine for his wife to do email, WP, and a few other things. We figured out that a minimum W9x installation will leave enough space on the 540meg drive for what they will want, and the keyboard is without equal in the laptop arena. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- If it screams, it's not food... Yet. From cph Sat Oct 14 19:06:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA25993 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:06:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03308; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:03:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAB03112; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03099; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:03:35 -0400 Received: from mwl ([32.101.34.131]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <20001014230333239031osl7e>; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:03:33 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c03632$ef95a3c0$83226520@mwl> Reply-To: "Mike Lingenfelter" From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: Subject: anyone want to part with a z50? Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:03:14 -0400 Organization: Personal Email MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Anyone have a z50 that they would like to sell? Mike Lingenfelter @HOME From cph Sat Oct 14 19:17:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA26032 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:17:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04446; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:14:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04280; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.sivco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04267; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:14:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.sivco.com (209.91.123.78 -> h-209-91-123-78.gen.cadvision.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:14:42 -0400 Subject: Linux 6.2 on ThinkPad 770x To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Cc: X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 March 21, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:14:54 -0600 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on tigger/Sivco(Release 5.0.1a|August 17, 1999) at 10/14/2000 05:16:06 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA26033 I tried to install Redhat 6.2 on my 770x, but no luck. It is asking for some 'driver diskette. Where can I find it? is there a Linux on ThinkPad forum? (The installation stops with a blank screen before I could partition my harddrive. Upon CAD, I can see that Linux detected most of my HW configuration) Thanks, Geza Geza Szivos mailto:Geza.Szivos@SIVCO.com System Analyst/eDBA Certified VisualAge for C++ Object Oriented Developer, Certified WebSphere, DB2 and VisualAge Java Associate Developer, VisualWarehouse Specialist, Certified IBM OS/2 Engineer, Certified Warp Server Engineer SIVCO Inc. «Calgary, AB» «Buffalo, NY» «Olympia, WA» Visit our web page http://www.sivco.com Head office: 118 Arbour Summit Close NW Calgary, Alberta Canada T3G 3W2 Toll Free Call: (877) 700-2600 Toll Free Fax: (877) 547-4741 In Calgary call (403) 208-2600 Cellular (360) 481-2828 From cph Sat Oct 14 23:06:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA26859 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:06:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18540; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:03:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18271; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18258; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:03:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:03:14 -0400 Received: from default ([12.72.102.72]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001015030312.TSLT23036.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@default> for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:03:12 +0000 Message-ID: <39E91E46.12BC@att.net> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:02:31 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600X Running slower on batteries References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My 600x seems to be running much slower on battery power versus AC... I almost always run it on AC, and I'm wondering if its the battery, the computer or my perception of it... I dont seem to recall this much difference when I first got the computer (and ran it about 50/50 AC versus batteries)... any ideas? From cph Sat Oct 14 23:16:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA26893 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:16:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19211; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:13:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19055; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19035; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:13:02 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (206-97-58-148.ip.theriver.com [206.97.58.148]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B3025DEA; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:12:21 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <39E921B8.9EC31DF2@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:17:12 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ajwells@att.net Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 600X Running slower on batteries References: <39E91E46.12BC@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: ajwells@att.net wrote: > > My 600x seems to be running much slower on battery power versus AC... I > almost always run it on AC, and I'm wondering if its the battery, the > computer or my perception of it... I dont seem to recall this much > difference when I first got the computer (and ran it about 50/50 AC > versus batteries)... any ideas? Check your power settings. The standard is to 'slow down' the processor so that it draws less power. Mine is set to run the processor on max.... James Mckenzie From cph Sat Oct 14 23:23:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA26928 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:23:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20097; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:20:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19931; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19917; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:20:07 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id XAA16574; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:20:06 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id XAA17984; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001014200935.026ba148@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:18:43 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: OFF TOPIC: Digital Voice Recorders? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: OFF TOPIC... I'm bringing this to the list because I respect this group's expertise on many things, so if I may ask... I need to get a small recording device to "tape" my voice while doing lectures/presentations so info from that can be shared with a client of mine. I had thought it might be easiest if I could do so digitally and transfer to my PC, which (assuming WAV format) would allow me to edit as well as write to an Audio-formatted CD-R. I figured that would be a bit more flexible (and frankly, cheaper--CD-R's at $0.50 or less) than sending an audio cassette. Does anyone have any recommendations for such a device that would record digitally and transfer easily to a PC? I'd prefer one that can handle at least 90 mins. of audio at one time, and has fast transfer to the PC (like USB interface) in a standard audio format (preferably WAV, though MP3 might be acceptable--maybe preferable). I'd also prefer that it have a good microphone (capable of recording in good quality) and preferably MIC -in and audio -out jacks. Does anyone here have any experience with this, or any suggestions for items/products you might recommend? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks! - Randy Whittle From cph Sat Oct 14 23:46:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA26994 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:46:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21393; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:43:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21174; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21161; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:43:38 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a27.pm3-14.theriver.com [208.164.96.43]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D13225CC4; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:41:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39E9280C.37D30AC3@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:44:12 -0700 From: Ray Bay Organization: Canyonlands Publishing Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Digital Voice Recorders? References: <4.2.0.58.20001014200935.026ba148@pop3.iceka.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Talk to a friendly broadcast engineer, or your local recording studio. As I broadcast engineer, I can tell you that clear voice digital sound could require expensive equipment. If this is a one time thing, record to cassette or DAD Tape then transfer to a CD. If you have good hi fi equipment, you can record to tape and transfer digitally... Straight digital on computer for 90 minutes is a very large task to do well. But if you do, the quality of the microphone is most important, then have equipment that can handle full frequency range... equal to good hifi equipment. If the input quality is good, the digital will be... But I think the easiest quality work for something that long is to record to audio tape, MD disk, video tape, or DAD then transfer to a CD. If sound quality isn't important, then a very good answering machine can do it Ray From cph Sat Oct 14 23:48:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA27004 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:48:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21837; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:45:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21669; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21656; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:45:56 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id XAA18497; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:45:55 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id XAA22722; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001014204451.01224670@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:45:50 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Digital Voice Recorders? In-Reply-To: <39E9280C.37D30AC3@theriver.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20001014200935.026ba148@pop3.iceka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:44 PM 10/14/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Talk to a friendly broadcast engineer, or your local recording studio. > >As I broadcast engineer, I can tell you that clear voice digital sound >could require expensive equipment. > >If this is a one time thing, record to cassette or DAD Tape then >transfer to a CD. I'm thinking of a simple chip or flash memory-based recorder--the kind that go for $50 to $300-ish. From cph Sun Oct 15 00:27:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA27179 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:27:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23508; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:21:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23291; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PUF.FCC.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23278; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PUF.FCC.NET (207.198.203.130 -> puf.fcc.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:21:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (jonathan@localhost) by PUF.FCC.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16092; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:17:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: PUF.FCC.NET: jonathan owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:17:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonathan X-Sender: jonathan@PUF.FCC.NET To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Digital Voice Recorders? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001014200935.026ba148@pop3.iceka.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > > I had thought it might be easiest if I could do so digitally and transfer > to my PC, which (assuming WAV format) would allow me to edit as well as > write to an Audio-formatted CD-R. I figured that would be a bit more > flexible (and frankly, cheaper--CD-R's at $0.50 or less) than sending an > audio cassette. > > Does anyone have any recommendations for such a device that would record > digitally and transfer easily to a PC? Why not record directly onto your thinkpad using the built-in mic or an external mic? With TotalRecorder or CoolEdit you should be able to do this and should be able to keep file sizes relatively small by using a low sample rate (22kHz instead of 44), mono, or lets bits (8 instead of 16). However, 90 minutes of WAV data at 22kHZ, mono, 16bits is still over 200 MB. So disk space is a big issue here. > I'd prefer one that can handle at least 90 mins. of audio at one time, and > has fast transfer to the PC (like USB interface) in a standard audio format > (preferably WAV, though MP3 might be acceptable--maybe preferable). You just described my thinkpad 240! However, I've never recorded off the mic, just the soundcard. I have a usb-to-usb cable (actiontek USB network) to transfer files to my desktop; very quick. Final note - if you are new to burning audio CDRs, I'd suggest you budget some time to learn how to do it. There are many pitfalls. Fortunately there is also tons of info out there on how to avoid them; it takes some time to parse through it. Yours, Jonathan Krall From cph Sun Oct 15 00:46:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA27244 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:46:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24477; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:42:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24362; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24349; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:42:33 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-118.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.118]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9F4gJ931995 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:42:20 -0700 Message-ID: <39E9359A.4817F5C9@mail.orion.org> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:42:02 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Wireless access point question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm thinking about upgrading from my super cheap HomeFree wireless network to an 802.11b 11mbps network. I'd like to use a wireless access point so my wired and wireless networks can communicate with each other. Right now, I have 2 NICs (Homefree wireless and 10/100) in my server machine, and the 2 networks don't see each other. I was just wondering if I can use the IBM Wireless LAN Access Point, Model: 8227; IBM Part Number: 25H4211 with an 802.11b PCMCIA network card. The IBM Access Point is designed for IBM's proprietary wireless cards, but it does have a PCMCIA slot on it. Thanks for any info. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Sun Oct 15 01:20:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA27394 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:20:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25760; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:12:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25655; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25641; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:12:14 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id BAA15946; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:12:13 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id BAA23919; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001014220800.01213eb8@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:12:08 -0700 To: Jonathan , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Digital Voice Recorders? In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20001014200935.026ba148@pop3.iceka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 12:17 AM 10/15/2000 -0400, you wrote: >On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > > I had thought it might be easiest if I could do so digitally and transfer > > to my PC, which (assuming WAV format) would allow me to edit as well as > > write to an Audio-formatted CD-R. I figured that would be a bit more > > flexible (and frankly, cheaper--CD-R's at $0.50 or less) than sending an > > audio cassette. > > > > Does anyone have any recommendations for such a device that would record > > digitally and transfer easily to a PC? > >Why not record directly onto your thinkpad using the built-in mic or an >external mic? I thought about that, but the TP will be in use during this time--I'm either demo'ing software or using it for PowerPoint presentations. > With TotalRecorder or CoolEdit you should be able to do >this and should be able to keep file sizes relatively small by using a low >sample rate (22kHz instead of 44), mono, or lets bits (8 instead of 16). > >However, 90 minutes of WAV data at 22kHZ, mono, 16bits is still over 200 >MB. So disk space is a big issue here. Smaller sampling, etc. would be fine. 200 MB isn't that big of a deal (though it would be for a small device), particularly if it will end up on a CD anyway. >Final note - if you are new to burning audio CDRs, I'd suggest you budget >some time to learn how to do it. There are many pitfalls. Fortunately >there is also tons of info out there on how to avoid them; it takes some >time to parse through it. Familiar already, but thanks. :-) - Randy Whittle From cph Sun Oct 15 02:31:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA27613 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:31:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28086; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:28:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27915; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27902; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:28:06 -0400 Received: from techshop ([64.108.9.217]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20001015062805.HKYT11628.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@techshop>; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:28:05 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c0366f$dbebb020$0a01a8c0@techshop> From: "Matt Winston" To: "Steve C." , "James Mckenzie" , Subject: Re: Flaky Mouse and other strange behavior Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:19:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Found the jinx, after my Warp desktop began to mimic the behavior. Bad KVM unit. Swapped with another, Lo and Behold! No more meese tricks. Now why didn't I think of that earlier? I've heard before, and I guess it rings true; "Computers help people make very fast, very accurate mistakes." Thanks to all who replied. Happy Sunday. Matt From cph Sun Oct 15 02:50:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA27671 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:50:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29877; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:47:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29554; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29540; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (141.213.75.22 -> srvr20.engin.umich.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:47:14 -0400 Received: from lin84001 (pm593-40.dialip.mich.net [207.75.181.98]) by srvr20.engin.umich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA18327 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003001c03673$c36837e0$62b54bcf@lin84001> From: "Jerry Lin" To: "TP List" References: <4.2.0.58.20001014200935.026ba148@pop3.iceka.com> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Digital Voice Recorders? Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:47:17 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan, Ann Arbor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Randy, You may try this: http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/icrecorder/models.html I bought "ICD-67" for lecture recording. It's portable and easy to use. I guess the one u need is "ICD-R100PC". I just trust SONY product for quite a long time. ( I don't work for them ). good luck! Jerry From cph Sun Oct 15 03:40:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA27824 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:40:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06694; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:37:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06420; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06407; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:37:26 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-436.gate.net [199.227.131.245]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA45286; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:36:06 -0400 Message-ID: <39E95E98.4FF79313@gate.net> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:36:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Winston CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Is There A Prankster In My Computer? References: <001101c03624$6e78b1a0$0a01a8c0@techshop> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------352765BDFF82653D13903743" List-Unsubscribe: --------------352765BDFF82653D13903743 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sounds like it is time for a replacement keyboard, trackpoint and all.. unless you suspect a degraded connection internally between the trackpoint and the system.. Matt Winston wrote: > My TP 560, running W98SE, connected to DSL via PPPoE software has > recently developed the nasty habit of moving the mouse pointer all by > itself. And I mean all over the place! I'll be reading mail, and the > pointer starts moving, jumping really, all over the display. Acts like > it's left clicking to open drop down menus, etc. Now even when > disconnected from the web it happens. I've got Norton AV with the > latest virus definitions, and after a full system scan it reports no > virus found. I'm also running ZoneAlarm on the DSL connection to > prevent external access. Programs running in the background are > nothing special or unusual, and no recent software additions or > removals. It's been running fine until this jumping mouse developed. > Any idea what demon lurks in the depths of this ThinkPad? Thanks for > the assistance.Matt -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria --------------352765BDFF82653D13903743 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sounds like it is time for a replacement keyboard, trackpoint and all..
unless you suspect a degraded connection internally between the trackpoint and the system..

Matt Winston wrote:

My TP 560, running W98SE, connected to DSL via PPPoE software has recently developed the nasty habit of moving the mouse pointer all by itself. And I mean all over the place! I'll be reading mail, and the pointer starts moving, jumping really, all over the display. Acts like it's left clicking to open drop down menus, etc. Now even when disconnected from the web it happens. I've got Norton AV with the latest virus definitions, and after a full system scan it reports no virus found. I'm also running ZoneAlarm on the DSL connection to prevent external access. Programs running in the background are nothing special or unusual, and no recent software additions or removals. It's been running fine until this jumping mouse developed. Any idea what demon lurks in the depths of this ThinkPad? Thanks for the assistance.Matt

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Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net
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sic transit gloria
  --------------352765BDFF82653D13903743-- From cph Sun Oct 15 03:44:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA27845 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:44:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07238; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:41:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07046; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07032; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:41:03 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id DAA24387; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:41:01 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id DAA12933; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001015003920.026cd688@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:40:57 -0700 To: "Jerry Lin" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Digital Voice Recorders? In-Reply-To: <003001c03673$c36837e0$62b54bcf@lin84001> References: <4.2.0.58.20001014200935.026ba148@pop3.iceka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Jerry--this is along the lines of what I had in mind. Only wish it had a MIC IN Jack... - Randy At 02:47 AM 10/15/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Randy, > >You may try this: >http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/icrecorder/models.html > >I bought "ICD-67" for lecture recording. It's portable and easy to use. I >guess the one u need is "ICD-R100PC". I just trust SONY product for quite a >long time. ( I don't work for them ). >good luck! > >Jerry > > From cph Sun Oct 15 11:39:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA06884 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:39:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08399; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:35:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08130; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08116; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:35:50 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13kppE-0004WK-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:35:48 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.38] (helo=isdn30-38.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.161 #1) id 13kppE-0000Cf-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:35:48 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Win95 DUN 10 digit dialing Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 10:35:47 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA06885 Since Win95 still finds a place on notebooks: is there a way to setup ten digit dialing (phone number plus area code for local calls) with Win95? Win98SE has a button for this but I cannot find one in Win95. Thanks. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Sun Oct 15 12:26:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA07079 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:26:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12103; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:23:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11874; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11860; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:23:21 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA02647 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:23:20 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <200010151623.LAA02647@europa.veggie.com> Subject: [TP560] Win95->Win98 Thanks! To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:23:20 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi Just a quick note to thank everyone for their suggestions/info regarding my recent query. I _think_ I responded to everyone personally, but just in case I missed someone. For right now I will probably wait with the upgrade as it requires a little bit more time than I need. Plus I managed to get my little webcam to work under Linux. As it turns out there might be a little problem with my USB connector as the signal doesn't always seem to get through. On my desktop under Win98 it works ok. Thanks again. Esmail -- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak "Half of the American people never read a newspaper. Half never vote for President. One hopes it is the same half." -- Gore Vidal From cph Sun Oct 15 12:28:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA07087 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:28:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12634; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:25:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12210; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12196; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (194.29.192.20 -> netsonic.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:25:14 -0400 Received: from TP560X (letku107.adsl.netsonic.fi [194.29.195.107]) by nalle.netsonic.fi (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e9FGPCu23365 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:25:12 +0300 Message-Id: <200010151625.e9FGPCu23365@nalle.netsonic.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:12:11 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <39E9359A.4817F5C9@mail.orion.org> Subject: Re: Wireless access point question X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 at 11:42 PM you, Shawn Lin , said: >I'm thinking about upgrading from my super cheap HomeFree wireless >network to an 802.11b 11mbps network. I'd like to use a wireless access >point so my wired and wireless networks can communicate with each other. >Right now, I have 2 NICs (Homefree wireless and 10/100) in my server >machine, and the 2 networks don't see each other. I'm not advocating against upgrading your wireless LAN to a faster and more standard one. However, it you currently have one machine "seeing" both networks (hardwired and wireless), you should be able to use it as a router between both networks. In fact, this is exactly what I'm doing on my super cheap ($90 for 3 machines) OS/2-based wireless LAN. I'm using an old TP701 as the base station for the wireless LAN; it also has a regular 3Com 3c589 network adapter and it is performing the task of router between the wireless and the hardwired LANs. My hardwired LAN is 192.168.0.1, 192.168.0.2, 193.168.0.3 etc. My wireless LAN is 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2, 193.168.1.3 etc. The TP701 is on both networks (192.168.0.1 and 192.168.1.1). The command "route add -net 192.168.0 192.168.1.1" will link both networks and I have IP Forwarding activated (to tell it to act as a router). I run "route add -net 192.168.0 192.168.1.1" on wireless boxes and "route add -net 192.168.1 192.168.0.1" on hardwired boxes, in effect instructing them to see the other LAN via the TP701. This is standard TCP/IP stuff that should work out of the box in OS/2 and Linux. With Windows, you may have to use an "advanced" version (NT or 2000) and/or third-party software. -Dominique From cph Sun Oct 15 14:01:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA07383 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:01:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20997; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:58:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20491; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20457; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010151758.NAA20457@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.35 -> out5.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:58:14 -0400 Received: from slip-32-100-243-113.ma.us.prserv.net ([32.100.243.113]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <2000101517581020502vq2ioe>; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:58:12 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" , "OS2-L@NIC.SURFNET.NL" , "discussion@possi.org" , "WordStar@cuenet.com" Cc: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Date: Sun, 15 Oct 00 13:57:15 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: OT [crossposted] Autovue Professional 12.2 for Windows, DOS and Unix List-Unsubscribe: What can you tell me about this program (which I picked up today and which looks very interesting)? Is there a later version? An upgrade path? Is the vendor still in this business? How does it compare with other viewers? (I have Keyview Pro which however does not do PS or EPS files; Autovue claims to.) Pointer to any downloadable help/readme/FAQ also much appreciated. Jeffrey Race From cph Sun Oct 15 14:01:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA07387 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:01:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21003; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:58:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20439; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20426; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010151758.NAA20426@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.35 -> out5.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:58:10 -0400 Received: from slip-32-100-243-113.ma.us.prserv.net ([32.100.243.113]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <2000101517580620502vq2ine>; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:58:08 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Date: Sun, 15 Oct 00 13:52:03 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Wordperfect 5.2/Windows List-Unsubscribe: Today at the MIT Flea Market I picked up a copy of Wordperfect for Windows V 5.2, new and unregistered. If anyone wants it, send me a private e-mail with fair estimate of its value. (I am a Wordstar user so don't know this market, but didn't want to let something like this escape on the chance someone else might put it to good use. This would certainly be the case for a virgin copy of Wordstar.) Jeffrey Race From cph Sun Oct 15 16:46:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA07977 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:46:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03715; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:42:33 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03044; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:42:27 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id QAA00748 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18867; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010141312.JAA18867@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.32 -> out2.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:12:14 -0400 Received: from jmsthinkpad600x ([32.102.11.119]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2000101413120522900rccq0e>; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:12:07 +0000 From: "J. Michael Stolp" To: "James H. E. Maugham" Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 07:08:48 -0600 Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;1) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Clone or "Dup" Laptop Hard Drive - Apparent Resolution List-Unsubscribe: James and Jane, thank you for your replies which are right on issue as to how to easily clone a Thinkpad hard drive. I have already ordered the HD Adaptor for the TP Slim Ultrabay from PC Connection for $30, and will receive it Monday. >From other posts, it appears there is cabling available to connect the laptop HD's to the IDE cable on a desktop, to accomplish the same thing for laptops other than as well as including Thinkpads. I have quoted James' and Jane's posts below, as these are very useful answers to common dilemma for laptops. Mike ---------------- Original Message ---------------- James H. E. Maugham wrote on Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:48:55 -0500: J. Michael Stolp [mailto:mstolp@xelan.com] wrote: > I would like to have 2 identical hard drives for the > Thinkpad. In some manner I would like to cable the 2 > hard drives together, perhaps connected to or hosted by > my desktop, and then clone exactly the one hard drive to > the other. In this manner, if ANYTHING happens to the > primary hard drive, one merely slaps in the backup HD. Doing this is simplicity itself if you use the $29 second HD adapter (one of the last true bargains left, IMHO!) for the TP600 and mount your second HD in it. Then just run your preferred cloneware (I personally prefer DriveCopy, others speak well of Ghost) and clone the drive. Presto, a bootable, complete backup of your primary drive. Regards, James ----------------------- End of Original Message ----------------------- ---------------- Original Message ---------------- At 02:48 PM 10/13/2000 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: > Doing this is simplicity itself if you use the $29 second > HD adapter (one of the last true bargains left, IMHO!) for > the TP600 and mount your second HD in it. > > Then just run your preferred cloneware (I personally prefer > DriveCopy, others speak well of Ghost) and clone the drive. > > Presto, a bootable, complete backup of your primary drive. Yup, I just bought a new drive from Bill Morrow and used DriveCopy to clone my existing drive this afternoon. Typing on the new one now. It took about 90 minutes from bare drive to bootable copy. Jane Loyless ----------------------- End of Original Message ----------------------- -- Warmest Regards. Mike J. 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Via De Ventura, Suite L-200 Scottsdale, Arizona 85258 Phone 480/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 From cph Sun Oct 15 18:48:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA08470 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:48:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12248; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:43:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11757; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11744; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (198.144.205.90 -> m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:43:36 -0400 Received: from 172.16.74.1 by NewPad ([172.16.74.1] running VPOP3) with ESMTP; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:43:33 -0700 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Shawn Lin" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: RE: Wireless access point question Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:43:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39E9359A.4817F5C9@mail.orion.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.4.0b - Registered List-Unsubscribe: > I'm thinking about upgrading from my super cheap HomeFree wireless > network to an 802.11b 11mbps network. I'd like to use a wireless access > point so my wired and wireless networks can communicate with each > other. Right now, I have 2 NICs (Homefree wireless and 10/100) in my > server machine, and the 2 networks don't see each other. > > I was just wondering if I can use the IBM Wireless LAN Access Point, > Model: 8227; IBM Part Number: 25H4211 with an 802.11b PCMCIA network > card. The IBM Access Point is designed for IBM's proprietary wireless > cards, but it does have a PCMCIA slot on it. What does this pup cost? Do you need 128-bit encryption or will 40-bit do? If 40-bit encryption is good enough, the Lucent RG-1000 residential gateway will do what you need. That's what I'm using at home. It bridges all protocols between the wireless and wired LAN segments, so it just looks like one network. It's $405 for the RG-1000 and an extra 40-bit PC card from Enkay: http://www.enkay.com/catalog.htm If you need 128-bit encryption at home, then you need a fancier access point or Lucent's AP-500 or AP-1000 or presumably IBM's. I'm using the Lucent WavePOINT-II (predecessor to the AP-1000) at the office. It works quite well, as does the RG at home. -Mike From cph Sun Oct 15 19:03:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA08535 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:03:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13804; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:59:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13428; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13415; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:59:45 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-134.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.134]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9FMxa921613; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:59:36 -0700 Message-ID: <39EA36CE.A84E8174@mail.orion.org> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:59:26 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Wireless access point question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Michael Geary wrote: > > > > I was just wondering if I can use the IBM Wireless LAN Access Point, > > Model: 8227; IBM Part Number: 25H4211 with an 802.11b PCMCIA network > > card. The IBM Access Point is designed for IBM's proprietary wireless > > cards, but it does have a PCMCIA slot on it. > > What does this pup cost? The IBM Access Point only costs $30 on Ebay which is why I was asking!!! I read on the newsgroups that it needs to be booted and can be reloaded with new software via "TFTP", so sounds like theoretically it should be possible for an enterprising individual to reprogram the thing to work with 802.11b wireless cards if it won't work with them already. However, I don't think anyone has done this. > Do you need 128-bit encryption or will 40-bit do? 40-bit would do. > If 40-bit encryption is good enough, the Lucent RG-1000 residential gateway > will do what you need. That's what I'm using at home. It bridges all > protocols between the wireless and wired LAN segments, so it just looks like > one network. > > It's $405 for the RG-1000 and an extra 40-bit PC card from Enkay: Thanks for the pointer. I might have to try something different, because $405 plus 2 additional 802.11b PCMCIA cards ends up with a very steeply priced wireless network! It's nice to see the prices dropping though. A few months ago the cheapest 11mbps wireless LAN cards I could find were $200-250. Now I see some (Addtron AWP-100) for as low as $117/each. I might have to go peer-to-peer on this one with dual NICs in one server because a PCI adapter is only $38. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Sun Oct 15 22:11:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA09281 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:11:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29108; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:06:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28680; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28666; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:06:08 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.48.6.76 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:05:06 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c03716$09ab3fc0$4c06303f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Cc: "michael s dixon" Subject: 560 photo's Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:08:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Finally got them up at my MSN photo album. There are 6, 4 of my maroon 560, and 2 of my wifes jade 560. Photo's are not that great, but the best I can do. I wanted to get them up as the maroon 560 is going on ebay to help pay for my 560X. Sorry it took so long and drop me a note with any questions or comments. Booger Here's the link! http://communities.msn.com/CyberboogersFunThinkpads Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. From cph Sun Oct 15 22:11:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA09285 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:11:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29117; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:06:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28728; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsguy.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28706; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsguy.com (209.155.56.71 -> smtp.newsguy.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:06:19 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (dsl-216-227-14-85.chi.interchangedsl.com [216.227.14.85]) by newsguy.com (8.11.0/8.9.1) with SMTP id e9G266Z29438 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <009c01c03716$0410ec40$550ee3d8@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Stan Mocek" From: "Stan Mocek" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: NT 4 Server Hard Drive Questions Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:06:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id WAA29117 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA09286 I've run NT Server 4 on a desktop which contains a 13GB drive. The desktop is currently non-functional due to hardware problems, and I have now installed NT Server on my 600E. There were some files on the desktop drive that I'd like to pull off. I'm looking for a way to attacht the desktop drive to the 600E just to get those files. I thought that an Apricorn EZ-GIG PCMCIA data transfer kit might do it, but the documentation I have seen is not clear on whether it can be used on desktop drives, and it appears that it cannot be used to just transfer some files, although I could be mistaken on that. Any more information on this or other solutions would be appreciated. « -- mocek@azb.com Stan Mocek From cph Sun Oct 15 22:55:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA09486 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:55:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04629; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:49:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04335; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04321; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:49:39 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.48.6.76 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:48:40 -0700 Message-ID: <003901c0371c$1f406620$4c06303f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: Cc: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" References: <001d01c03716$09ab3fc0$4c06303f@oemcomputer> <39EA92FD.5D6A@southeast.net> Subject: Re: 560 photo's Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:52:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Get in line, just finished my son's 560 in a halloween scheme. He's 9, bright orange with black highlights. I'll post those this coming weekend. Does look really cool though. Just real bright. Booger Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. ----- Original Message ----- From: Computer-Guru To: Brad Burean Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 12:32 AM Subject: Re: 560 photo's > The pictures all look really great Brad. > > Now, what is the reduced rate to paint laptops for members of this > Thinkpad List? lol > > > Jim > > > -- > Regards, > > Computer-Guru > pctech@southeast.net > "Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue." > > "The average lifespan of electronic components is between zero and > infinity, > or two days after the warranty runs out,whichever comes first*<:) > ==================== From cph Mon Oct 16 06:54:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA11511 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:54:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01207; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:50:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00928; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0s.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00912; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0s.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.48 -> www0s.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:50:10 -0400 Received: (qmail 12041 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2000 10:50:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20001016105008.12040.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.48 by www0s for [24.163.172.50] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Mon Oct 16 10:50:08 GMT 2000 Date: 16 Oct 00 05:50:08 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "Stan Mocek" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: NT 4 Server Hard Drive Questions X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id GAA11512 I would think the simplest way would be to put the desktop HD in another desktop PC that does boot, then connect the two machines via ethernet cards. That way your NT Server HD would be the slave drive so it wouldn't have to actually boot. This assumes that either 1) your NT Server HD is FAT, not NTFS or 2) the 'other' PC you use is running NT or Win2K so it can read NTFS. What type of hardware problems is the PC having? Depending on what those are, there may be other alternatives. HTH, Rob "Stan Mocek" wrote: > I've run NT Server 4 on a desktop which contains a 13GB drive. The desktop > is currently non-functional due to hardware problems, and I have now > installed NT Server on my 600E. There were some files on the desktop drive > that I'd like to pull off. I'm looking for a way to attacht the desktop > drive to the 600E just to get those files. I thought that an Apricorn EZ-GIG > PCMCIA data transfer kit might do it, but the documentation I have seen is > not clear on whether it can be used on desktop drives, and it appears that > it cannot be used to just transfer some files, although I could be mistaken > on that. Any more information on this or other solutions would be > appreciated. > > « > -- > mocek@azb.com > Stan Mocek > ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Mon Oct 16 10:14:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA12588 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:14:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17390; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:10:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17044; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17009; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.14 -> mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:10:17 -0400 Received: (qmail 83440 invoked by alias); 16 Oct 2000 14:10:10 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 83356 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2000 14:10:09 -0000 Received: from dialupu92.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (207.109.17.92) by mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 16 Oct 2000 14:10:09 -0000 Message-ID: <005801c0377a$de86d510$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: , References: Subject: Re: Linux 6.2 on ThinkPad 770x Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:10:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id KAA17390 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA12589 You should not need such a driver disk. It just gives you the option. Just skip that step. It has been a while and I don't remember how to do that just now. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 6:14 PM Subject: Linux 6.2 on ThinkPad 770x I tried to install Redhat 6.2 on my 770x, but no luck. It is asking for some 'driver diskette. Where can I find it? is there a Linux on ThinkPad forum? (The installation stops with a blank screen before I could partition my harddrive. Upon CAD, I can see that Linux detected most of my HW configuration) Thanks, Geza Geza Szivos mailto:Geza.Szivos@SIVCO.com System Analyst/eDBA Certified VisualAge for C++ Object Oriented Developer, Certified WebSphere, DB2 and VisualAge Java Associate Developer, VisualWarehouse Specialist, Certified IBM OS/2 Engineer, Certified Warp Server Engineer SIVCO Inc. «Calgary, AB» «Buffalo, NY» «Olympia, WA» Visit our web page http://www.sivco.com Head office: 118 Arbour Summit Close NW Calgary, Alberta Canada T3G 3W2 Toll Free Call: (877) 700-2600 Toll Free Fax: (877) 547-4741 In Calgary call (403) 208-2600 Cellular (360) 481-2828 From cph Mon Oct 16 11:06:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA13058 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:06:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23588; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:02:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23109; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0u.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23095; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0u.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.50 -> www0u.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:02:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 29280 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2000 15:02:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20001016150224.29279.qmail@www0u.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.50 by www0u for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Mon Oct 16 15:02:24 GMT 2000 Date: 16 Oct 00 10:02:24 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Mouse/TrackPoint Issue on 600X w/ Win2K X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA13059 I've got a 600X running Win2K. I us a Microsoft Wheel mouse with it. Problem is, when I boot up with the mouse attached, then the Trackpoint doesn't work, even when I unplug the mouse. If I go into Trackpoint properties and tell it to stay enabled, then reboot, then it does work, but the MS mouse loses 'wheel' capabilities. Anyone know how to have the MS mouse work with its wheel features while plugged in and then have the Trackpoint work when the mouse is unplugged? I don't care at all if the Trackpoint third button scrolling stuff works anytime. Thanks, Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Mon Oct 16 12:51:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA13887 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:51:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06731; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:44:56 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05987; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:44:55 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id MAA03613 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00416; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (38.8.22.2 -> relay21.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:00:36 -0400 Received: from ntmail.doble.com ([204.215.186.11]) by relay21.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13lCfo-0000OX-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:59:39 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <44MXBRDR>; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:57:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: The $50 Thinkpad Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:57:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, No I did not get a 600e, A20, or T20 for $50, that search still continues. I do like to go to computer shows and ham fleamarkets (my ham call is WB1HBU). This last weekend was a double dose of a computer show in Marlborough, Ma and the last MIT ham fleamarket of the season (I see another list member goes there as well). Some area computer vendors go to both computer and ham events as computers are very popular at ham fleamarkets. I have noticed in the past months that thinkpads seem to be showing up more. Of course there are the older 486 stuff like 750 and 755 (Even 700s and 720s). Lately I have been seeing more 380s, 385s, and 760s. At MIT there was even a 300 MHz 600 for under $900. Also some Thinkpad accessories are showing up as well. At the computer show there was a company selling some broken 560s (P133 I believe) for $80. They were missing stuff like mouse buttons, etc, and did not have batteries (or whatever goes in the bottom right area in front). Looks good for someone needing a part. In looking over the pile of other Thinkpads (which is interesting because they mostly look the same and I had to open them up to get the model) I came across a 365XD that looked whole for $50. The guy said it did not boot up. I have a 365ED so I have the needed accessories like battery, floppy, and AC Adapter. I took a chance. The 365XD is a P120 with a 800x600 TFT screen compared to a 120 586 (P90 equiv.) DSTN screen. The first thing I noticed is the screen did not work so I used a monitor. The unit had what I hoped was a power-on password but I could not get it to clear. I finally took out the CMOS battery for about 10 minutes and I fixed that problem. I found the unit had 24 megs of memory and the disk was upgraded to a two GB hard disk. I also found a Megahertz 33.6 modem/10bt lan combo card in the pcmcia slot. It runs Win95 with about a gig free on the drive. Having dealt with display problems with my old 365ED, I popped open the lid but could not find anything. I struggled to get the "ad" covers off so I could check out the other end of the cable. Part of the cover looks like it should have been removed as there is printing with a url and it partly covers over the "real" cover. I found that this "ad" cover should not be removed. Anyway I got the covers off and found one of the display connectors was partly out of it's socket. After I put it back in place and reassembled the unit works. The only remaining problem was the tendency for the unit to go into suspend. It seems switch that is used to suspend when the keyboard is lifted was not being closed securely. I put a bandaid on it (literally). I noticed on my 365ED (with a new Keyboard) that there is a plastic square in the area of the switch on the 365XD (switch position is different on the ED). I also find the mouse buttons need to be pressed harder to make them work on the XD so the keyboards may be swapped. Now I need to get a dongle for my new card. I am going to try my mapping software on the XD to see if the 800x600 TFT screen is better when mobile. Not bad for $50. 73 Eric From cph Mon Oct 16 13:18:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA14159 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:18:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10592; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:11:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09847; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.psnet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09792; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.psnet.net (216.98.165.1 -> psnet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:10:19 -0400 Received: from mycroft (216.98.165.90 [216.98.165.90]) by ns1.psnet.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id TLP6KJ36; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:09:37 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Robert W. King" To: "Barbara Davenport \(E-mail\)" , "Betty Cavner \(E-mail\)" , "Chris Linson \(E-mail\)" , "Dale Hanks \(E-mail\)" , "Donna Gist Moore \(E-mail\)" , "Donna Mariner \(E-mail\)" , "Edward G. Gerdes \(E-mail\)" , "Gail Cowart \(E-mail\)" , "Jean Mayfield Cuevas \(E-mail\)" , "Jena Bookout Moffitt \(E-mail\)" , "Jeri Helms Fultz \(E-mail\)" , "Ralph Dugger \(E-mail\)" , "Richard Delozier Roberts \(E-mail\)" , "Susie R Ray \(E-mail\)" , "Willis T. Finley \(E-mail\)" , "Earlynn Grant \(E-mail\)" , "Joanne Curry Krause \(E-mail\)" , "Kathy Harrison \(E-mail\)" , "Nancy Gooch \(E-mail\)" , "Richard P. Savage Jr. \(E-mail\)" , "Wilma King \(E-mail\)" , "Janney Estelle McCarley \(E-mail\)" , "Jerry Roberts \(E-mail\)" , "Kathy Grove \(E-mail\)" , "Mary Ellen Bell Johnson \(E-mail\)" , "Mike & Anita Blasky" , "Paul S. Roberts \(E-mail\)" , "Richard and Alma Roberts \(E-mail\)" , "Thomas L. King \(E-mail\)" , "Tom Hutto \(E-mail\)" , "Volamae Brinkley \(E-mail\)" , "Dickey K. Crouch \(E-mail\)" , "John Carnes \(E-mail\)" , "Wanda Rushing \(E-mail\)" , "Carol McCrary" , "Clay King" , "Janene Wilson" , "Katherine Wildrick" , "Kathey Davis" , "Leah King" , "Lee Neil Kever" , "Marian Wood Hilton" , "Mitch King" , "Randy Holmes" , "Rhonda Wood" , "ARBaxter-L List" , "ARCrawfo-L List" , "ARFulton-L List" , "ARIndepe-L list" , "ARIzard-L list" , "ARJackso-L List" , "Arkansas-Roots-L List" , "ARMarion-L List" , "ARRandol-L List" , "ARSharp-L list" , "ARStone-L List" , "ARWashin-L List" , "Broyles-L List" , "Civil-War list" , "Cooking-L list" , "CSA-History-L List" , "Dixon-L List" , "FTMtech-L List" , "GenCmp-L List" , "GenMsc-L List" , "GenMtd-L List" , "GenPhoto List" , "Harrison-L List" , "Holmes-L List" , "H-War List" , "King-L List" , "Meacham-L list" , "MilHist-L List" , "Military-History-L List" , "Missouri list" , "Missouri-L List" , "Missouri-Roots-L List" , "MO-CW-L list" , "MOHowell-L list" , "MOLacled-L list" , "MOTexas-L list" , "MOWright-L list" , "Nesbitt-L List" , "Outlook-User List" , "Richardson-L List" , "Roberts-L List" , "Southern-Trails-L List" , "Spiller-L List" , "Tarwater-L List" , "ThinkPad List" , "TNBedfor-L List" , "TNCoffee-L List" , "TNFrankl-L List" , "TNGrundy-L List" , "TNKnox-L List" , "TNroots-L List" , "Trails-West List" , "Win98-L List" , "Words-L List" , "Cari King \(E-mail\)" , "Ed King \(E-mail\)" , "Kathey Davis \(E-mail\)" , "Chris Puckett \(E-mail\)" , "Dan Puckett \(E-mail\)" , "Darrel W. Ferguson" , "Greg Langham \(E-mail\)" , "John Hug \(E-mail\)" , "Ken Whelan \(E-mail\)" , "Peter Harkins \(E-mail\)" , "Willard L. Bratton Jr. \(E-mail\)" Subject: Email messages lost Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:08:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi folks! This is embarrassing to admit, but I appear to have lost about four or five months worth of email messages from my Hold folder last night. I still haven't figured out the details of what happened. It appears the folder contents were deleted as I exited my email program. I received no indication of any problem at the time This would all be merely inconvenient and annoying except for the fact that that I then updated my backup copies of my message archive before becoming aware of the loss.. Mind you, I'm a 'belt and suspenders' kind of guy when it comes to maintaining my email archives. I have messages that date back twenty years in that database and I've gone to some lengths to retain them. I keep synchronized working copies of the archive on both my desktop and my laptop machines and I regularly update two complete sets of copies on different hard drives on my desktop machine. In addition, at longer intervals, I write a copy to CD-ROM. In the present instance, I seem to have lost the contents - about 4000 to 5000 messages from my Hold folder. That's the folder where I have been collecting genealogically oriented messages both sent and received from the archive with a view to wading through them one message at a time and acting upon them as needed - updating my genealogical database, corresponding with the sender, updating my address book, what-have-you. We won't discuss the number of man-hours I've expended in the last month wading through my entire database of approximately a hundred thousand messages to identify those messages and move them to the Hold folder for more considered review and action. I can go to my CD-ROM to recover all the more dated messages. The problem is that the CD-ROM was last written in June. That means that all the genealogically oriented messages (naturally the ones I least wanted lose!) since June have gone to that great bit-bucket in the sky where all good little bits and bytes go when they die. Just coincidentally, it also appears that I have suddenly acquired some problems with the hard drive on my laptop - the machine where I was working when the folder contents 'went away.' I've been running Norton Disk Doctor on it, but there appears to be some kind of problem with the directory structure and possibly the fat table on the C: partition. That's computer-speak for "I may have to re-format that entire drive and start over - meaning re-install Windows, re-install all my software, copy several gigabytes of data files from across the network, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera." In the interim, whilst I'm diagnosing, repairing and what-not, I call upon the goodness of your hearts to retransmit any messages you sent to me or that I sent to you between 1 Jun 2000 and 15 Oct 2000. I realize that most of you are not compulsive email collectors like I am, but please check your folders for me. Your Sent folder will probably retain any messages you sent to me and the Deleted folder may contain any messages from me - assuming you are not one of those folks that habitually deletes the contents of those folders before exiting your email program. -- Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086 InterNet: robert@wildweasel.net http://www.wildweasel.net From cph Mon Oct 16 15:43:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA15379 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:43:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29431; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:33:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28585; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange2.y12.doe.gov (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28572; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange2.y12.doe.gov (134.167.250.19 -> exchange2.ctd.ornl.gov) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:33:32 -0400 Received: by exchange2.ctd.ornl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4MNQXX3R>; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:33:31 -0400 Message-ID: <4E5056859D3FD4119CDD00508B6FE62B019DE5BD@exchange1.ctd.ornl.gov> From: "McNeely, Brooks N. (BNM) " To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Linux 6.2 on ThinkPad 770x Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:33:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA15380 I had some problems also. I have the 1280x1024 screen, and I could never get it to install with the graphical install. If I specified "text" for a text-mode install then the installation proceeded normally. I never got the graphical part working, but I didn't try hard. Later, I revisited the install using Mandrake 7.1 and RedHat 7.0, and both of these allowed me to get the GUI interface working as part of the install (but I may have had to start with text-mode on RedHat 7.0; I don't remember). There were some choices regarding resolution, color depth, and scan rate that I had to get right during the install to get it to boot up into GUI mode. Most of my problems may have been from some combination of ignorance/incompetence. Brooks -----Original Message----- From: Geza.Szivos@sivco.com [mailto:Geza.Szivos@sivco.com] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 7:15 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux 6.2 on ThinkPad 770x I tried to install Redhat 6.2 on my 770x, but no luck. It is asking for some 'driver diskette. Where can I find it? is there a Linux on ThinkPad forum? (The installation stops with a blank screen before I could partition my harddrive. Upon CAD, I can see that Linux detected most of my HW configuration) Thanks, Geza Geza Szivos mailto:Geza.Szivos@SIVCO.com System Analyst/eDBA Certified VisualAge for C++ Object Oriented Developer, Certified WebSphere, DB2 and VisualAge Java Associate Developer, VisualWarehouse Specialist, Certified IBM OS/2 Engineer, Certified Warp Server Engineer SIVCO Inc. «Calgary, AB» «Buffalo, NY» «Olympia, WA» Visit our web page http://www.sivco.com Head office: 118 Arbour Summit Close NW Calgary, Alberta Canada T3G 3W2 Toll Free Call: (877) 700-2600 Toll Free Fax: (877) 547-4741 In Calgary call (403) 208-2600 Cellular (360) 481-2828 From cph Mon Oct 16 18:41:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA16874 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:41:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21097; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:32:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20339; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20325; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.teleport.com (192.108.254.43 -> mail2.teleport.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:32:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 5989 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2000 22:32:22 -0000 Received: from i48-24-03.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO teleport.com) (216.26.7.195) by mail2.teleport.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2000 22:32:22 -0000 Message-ID: <39EB81B8.DE961D71@teleport.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:31:21 -0700 From: Bryan Daum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Cottrell, Eric" CC: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: The $50 Thinkpad References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You are beyond me, but good luck.......I'd have jumped at the 600 for >$900....or, as I did, jump for a 600E 366 w/DVD AND 3 YEAR WARRANY (great for busy non technical types, like me) for >$1700 and been on with my life and hamming...or computing. Sometimes more is less. 73, Bryan NEW 600E! N1AHD "Cottrell, Eric" wrote: > Hello, > > No I did not get a 600e, A20, or T20 for $50, that search still continues. > > I do like to go to computer shows and ham fleamarkets (my ham call is > WB1HBU). > This last weekend was a double dose of a computer show in Marlborough, Ma > and > the last MIT ham fleamarket of the season (I see another list member goes > there as > well). Some area computer vendors go to both computer and ham events as > computers are very popular at ham fleamarkets. > > I have noticed in the past months that thinkpads seem to be showing up more. > Of course there are the older 486 stuff like 750 and 755 (Even 700s and > 720s). Lately I > have been seeing more 380s, 385s, and 760s. At MIT there was even a 300 MHz > 600 for under $900. Also some Thinkpad accessories are showing up as well. > > At the computer show there was a company selling some broken 560s (P133 I > believe) for $80. They were missing stuff like mouse buttons, etc, and did > not > have batteries (or whatever goes in the bottom right area in front). Looks > good for > someone needing a part. In looking over the pile of other Thinkpads (which > is interesting > because they mostly look the same and I had to open them up to get the > model) > I came across a 365XD that looked whole for $50. The guy said it did not > boot > up. I have a 365ED so I have the needed accessories like battery, floppy, > and > AC Adapter. I took a chance. The 365XD is a P120 with a 800x600 TFT screen > compared to a 120 586 (P90 equiv.) DSTN screen. The first thing I noticed > is the > screen did not work so I used a monitor. The unit had what I hoped was a > power-on > password but I could not get it to clear. I finally took out the CMOS > battery for about > 10 minutes and I fixed that problem. I found the unit had 24 megs of memory > and > the disk was upgraded to a two GB hard disk. I also found a Megahertz 33.6 > modem/10bt lan > combo card in the pcmcia slot. It runs Win95 with about a gig free on the > drive. > > Having dealt with display problems with my old 365ED, I popped open the lid > but could > not find anything. I struggled to get the "ad" covers off so I could check > out the other > end of the cable. Part of the cover looks like it should have been removed > as there > is printing with a url and it partly covers over the "real" cover. I found > that this "ad" cover > should not be removed. Anyway I got the covers off and found one of the > display > connectors was partly out of it's socket. After I put it back in place and > reassembled > the unit works. > > The only remaining problem was the tendency for the unit to go into suspend. > It seems > switch that is used to suspend when the keyboard is lifted was not being > closed securely. > I put a bandaid on it (literally). I noticed on my 365ED (with a new > Keyboard) that there is > a plastic square in the area of the switch on the 365XD (switch position is > different on > the ED). I also find the mouse buttons need to be pressed harder to make > them work > on the XD so the keyboards may be swapped. > > Now I need to get a dongle for my new card. I am going to try my mapping > software on > the XD to see if the 800x600 TFT screen is better when mobile. Not bad for > $50. > > 73 Eric From cph Mon Oct 16 18:52:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA16931 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:52:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22594; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:46:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22221; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot16.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22207; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot16.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.36 -> pilot16.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:46:43 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (cherryholmes.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.41]) by pilot16.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e9GMkef42644 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:46:40 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001016184438.01f97690@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:46:37 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: The $50 Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <39EB81B8.DE961D71@teleport.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Gads, another ham hangout. I'm WB8WSF, only active a little these days, but slowly amassing some microwave stuff for what I hope is a multi-megabit digital link... --STeve Andre' At 03:31 PM 10/16/00 -0700, Bryan Daum wrote: >You are beyond me, but good luck.......I'd have jumped at the 600 for > >$900....or, as I did, jump for a 600E 366 w/DVD AND 3 YEAR WARRANY > (great for >busy non technical types, like me) for >$1700 and been on with my life and >hamming...or computing. Sometimes more is less. > >73, >Bryan >NEW 600E! >N1AHD From cph Mon Oct 16 19:32:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA17198 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:32:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27902; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:29:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27312; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsguy.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27254; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsguy.com (209.155.56.71 -> smtp.newsguy.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:28:45 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (dsl-216-227-14-85.chi.interchangedsl.com [216.227.14.85]) by newsguy.com (8.11.0/8.9.1) with SMTP id e9GNSOZ23484 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <028c01c037c9$1e7f7e80$550ee3d8@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Stan Mocek" From: "Stan Mocek" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" References: <20001016105008.12040.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: NT 4 Server Hard Drive Questions Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:29:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id TAA27902 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA17199 Rob wrote: > I would think the simplest way would be to put the desktop HD in > another desktop PC that does boot, then connect the two machines > via ethernet cards. That way your NT Server HD would be the slave > drive so it wouldn't have to actually boot. This assumes that > either 1) your NT Server HD is FAT, not NTFS or 2) the 'other' PC > you use is running NT or Win2K so it can read NTFS. > What type of hardware problems is the PC having? Depending on what > those are, there may be other alternatives. Unfortunately this is a home setup, so there is not another desktop around, and it seems that most of my closest friends own notebooks rather than desktops. . The hardware problem seems to be some type of failure on the motherboard itself. As far as I can see, the drive should still be ok, but it is NTFS, and the 600E is running NT4 with NTFS. I guess it would almost be as cost effective for me to get another mobo and hook the PCs as you mentioned above, and move the necessary data to the notebook. « -- mocek@azb.com Stan Mocek From cph Mon Oct 16 22:15:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA18367 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:15:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18052; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:10:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17457; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.sivco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17442; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:10:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.sivco.com (209.91.123.78 -> h-209-91-123-78.gen.cadvision.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:10:12 -0400 Subject: RE: Linux 6.2 on ThinkPad 770x To: "McNeely, Brooks N. (BNM) " Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:10:20 -0600 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on tigger/Sivco(Release 5.0.1a|August 17, 1999) at 10/16/2000 08:11:36 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA18370 I'll buy the Version 7 at the weekend and try it again. Geza "McNeely, Brooks N. To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (BNM) " cc: 10/16/00 01:33 PM I had some problems also. I have the 1280x1024 screen, and I could never get it to install with the graphical install. If I specified "text" for a text-mode install then the installation proceeded normally. I never got the graphical part working, but I didn't try hard. Later, I revisited the install using Mandrake 7.1 and RedHat 7.0, and both of these allowed me to get the GUI interface working as part of the install (but I may have had to start with text-mode on RedHat 7.0; I don't remember). There were some choices regarding resolution, color depth, and scan rate that I had to get right during the install to get it to boot up into GUI mode. Most of my problems may have been from some combination of ignorance/incompetence. Brooks -----Original Message----- From: Geza.Szivos@sivco.com [mailto:Geza.Szivos@sivco.com] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 7:15 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux 6.2 on ThinkPad 770x I tried to install Redhat 6.2 on my 770x, but no luck. It is asking for some 'driver diskette. Where can I find it? is there a Linux on ThinkPad forum? (The installation stops with a blank screen before I could partition my harddrive. Upon CAD, I can see that Linux detected most of my HW configuration) Thanks, Geza Geza Szivos mailto:Geza.Szivos@SIVCO.com System Analyst/eDBA Certified VisualAge for C++ Object Oriented Developer, Certified WebSphere, DB2 and VisualAge Java Associate Developer, VisualWarehouse Specialist, Certified IBM OS/2 Engineer, Certified Warp Server Engineer SIVCO Inc. «Calgary, AB» «Buffalo, NY» «Olympia, WA» Visit our web page http://www.sivco.com Head office: 118 Arbour Summit Close NW Calgary, Alberta Canada T3G 3W2 Toll Free Call: (877) 700-2600 Toll Free Fax: (877) 547-4741 In Calgary call (403) 208-2600 Cellular (360) 481-2828 From cph Mon Oct 16 22:33:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA18507 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:33:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20111; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:29:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19850; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19770; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (198.144.205.90 -> m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:29:25 -0400 Received: from 172.16.74.1 by NewPad ([172.16.74.1] running VPOP3) with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:29:11 -0700 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Stu Heiss" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: Wireless access point question Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:29:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20001016210801.A16548@jpusa.jpusa.net> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.4.0b - Registered List-Unsubscribe: > > If 40-bit encryption is good enough, the Lucent RG-1000 residential gateway > > will do what you need. That's what I'm using at home. It bridges all > > protocols between the wireless and wired LAN segments, so it just looks like > > one network. > > > > It's $405 for the RG-1000 and an extra 40-bit PC card from Enkay: > > > > http://www.enkay.com/catalog.htm > > Can you plug this into an existing lan? Yes, that's how mine is set up. I have a wired LAN behind a SonicWALL, and I run TCP/IP and NetBEUI on the LAN. I set up the RG to bridge all protocols between the wired and wireless LANs, and turned off its NAT and DHCP server since the SonicWALL was already providing those services. The RG has an Ethernet port to plug into your LAN (or directly to a cable or DSL modem) and a phone jack for its internal modem (which you wouldn't be using, of course). So you can use it either to bridge a wired and wireless network, or as the NAT router and DHCP server for a purely wireless network. -Mike From cph Mon Oct 16 23:03:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA18761 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:03:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22834; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:58:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22465; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LE0-1.webtst1.sprint.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22444; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LE0-1.webtst1.sprint.ca (207.107.250.51) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:57:55 -0400 Received: from mobil1 (spc-isp-van-58-09-332.sprint.ca [209.148.230.79]) by LE0-1.webtst1.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA27844 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:54:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Shawn Poirier" To: Subject: wanted 560 or 701cs Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:51:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Anyone have a 560 or 701cs they would like to part with. Please email particulars and price. Thanks, Shawn From cph Mon Oct 16 23:24:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA18910 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:24:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24918; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:19:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24620; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mailserver249 (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24605; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mailserver249 (12.30.178.249 -> mailserver249.halfpricehosting.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:19:42 -0400 Received: from snapper3 [203.97.49.215] by Mailserver249 with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.03) id A71B225800A0; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:27:23 -0400 From: "Will Lau" To: "Rob Bell" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: Mouse/TrackPoint Issue on 600X w/ Win2K Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:19:55 +1300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20001016150224.29279.qmail@www0u.netaddress.usa.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Never had any type of problem with my 600X W2k and a MS Intellieye Mouse. I use USB which works very well. I had similar problems you describe with a Toshiba laptop and using PS2. > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Bell [mailto:rbell1@netscape.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2000 4:02 a.m. > To: ThinkPad Mailing List > Subject: Mouse/TrackPoint Issue on 600X w/ Win2K > > > I've got a 600X running Win2K. I us a Microsoft Wheel mouse with > it. Problem > is, when I boot up with the mouse attached, then the Trackpoint > doesn't work, > even when I unplug the mouse. If I go into Trackpoint properties > and tell it > to stay enabled, then reboot, then it does work, but the MS mouse loses > 'wheel' capabilities. > > Anyone know how to have the MS mouse work with its wheel features while > plugged in and then have the Trackpoint work when the mouse is > unplugged? I > don't care at all if the Trackpoint third button scrolling stuff works > anytime. > > Thanks, > Rob > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Mon Oct 16 23:38:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA18986 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:38:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26491; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:32:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26154; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26140; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (64.4.8.22 -> oe50.law9.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:32:30 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:32:19 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [63.53.176.31] From: "Eugene Iwasa" To: Subject: TP240 standard battery for sale Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:34:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C037B0.7D2C4940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2000 03:32:19.0521 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA916310:01C037EA] List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C037B0.7D2C4940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I still have a TP240 standard battery for sale if anyone is interested. = The battery is about six months old, and I normally get about 90 minutes = of operation from one charge. I am selling the battery because I dropped = my 240 and broke the screen, so I am only using it at home connected to = the AC adapter. I think $50 is a fair price. If you are interested, please send me an = email at acupuncturist@hotmail.com. Thanks, Eugene ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C037B0.7D2C4940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I still have a TP240 standard battery for sale if = anyone is=20 interested. The battery is about six months old, and I normally get = about 90=20 minutes of operation from one charge. I am selling the battery because I = dropped=20 my 240 and broke the screen, so I am only using it at home connected to = the AC=20 adapter.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C037B0.7D2C4940-- From cph Tue Oct 17 04:29:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA20412 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:29:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15978; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:25:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15613; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15600; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:25:24 -0400 Received: from desktop (user-38ld32e.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.140.78]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA02331 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009901c03810$82d986e0$a91d45cf@desktop> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Smart mice/ssmart TP760XL Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:01:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: On my one remaining Windose 9x desktop at home I use an old Logitech 3 button Mouseman. It has a smart cursor that always jumps to the active screen's yes/no or stop/go or whatever buttons. I would like to load such software on my TP760XL but am nervous that it would not work with the stickpoint or with some other feature. Has anyone tried this? Or maybe there is some other software that has proved itself to work? TIA Allan J. Ballard TP760XL p166 104Mb TP760CD p120 64Mb From cph Tue Oct 17 05:49:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA20691 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:49:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23658; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:44:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23305; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23290; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (194.75.152.224 -> doggy.lineone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:44:26 -0400 Received: from hicdbs (host62-6-26-99.btinternet.com [62.6.26.99]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03708 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:44:14 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200010170944.KAA03708@scooby.lineone.net> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:50:56 -0100 (EET) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200010140152.e9E1qbh16852@lima.epix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: A20m and OS2 - impressions; modem - winjunk? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id FAA23658 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA20692 On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:42:20 -0400, Julian Thomas wrote: >2. Hibernate won't work from OS2. That is, it works, but unhibernating >is a disaster. This may be related to the previous problem. I think this problem was fixed on later fixpacks, which version are you using? >However - the internal modem seems to be wintrash - it doesn't even >respond to AT commands from ZOC. >So - what are the options? Yes, the internal win-shit-modem has os/2 drivers but they didn't work for me correctly. I think the A20m uses the Lucent ones. I use a pcmcia card. >b. Otherwise, what are the best bets for PCMCIA modems? I currently have >a 3com 3c589c PCMCIA NIC that is working OK under Warp and also W98 - I'm >still 10base2 here and will be for a while, so need the BNC connector >option. D-Link are good. Dont buy Xircom, not good. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Tue Oct 17 06:30:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA20966 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:30:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25761; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:18:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25471; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25458; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (194.75.152.224 -> doggy.lineone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:18:21 -0400 Received: from hicdbs (host212-140-40-98.btinternet.com [212.140.40.98]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA23711 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:18:14 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200010171018.LAA23711@scooby.lineone.net> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:33:06 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: thinkpads List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id GAA25761 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id GAA20967 I just came back from Warpstock Europe 2000 in Gemany. One thing that i noticed was 99% of the laptops there where all ThinkPads. Another thing i noticed, NONE of them where i-series. Most of them where 600's or 7xx's. It seems like i-series hasn't had much success. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Tue Oct 17 06:47:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA21038 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:47:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26736; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:35:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26426; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26411; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (194.29.192.20 -> netsonic.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:35:51 -0400 Received: from TP560X (letku107.adsl.netsonic.fi [194.29.195.107]) by nalle.netsonic.fi (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e9HAZYu29754 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:35:34 +0300 Message-Id: <200010171035.e9HAZYu29754@nalle.netsonic.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:35:36 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200010171018.LAA23711@scooby.lineone.net> Subject: Re: thinkpads X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 at 11:33 AM you, "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" , said: >I just came back from Warpstock Europe 2000 in Gemany. >One thing that i noticed was 99% of the laptops there where >all ThinkPads. >Another thing i noticed, NONE of them where i-series. Most of them where >600's or 7xx's. >It seems like i-series hasn't had much success. As I understand it, the i-series and the 600/7xx-models are targeted at different users: home/casual users on a budget for the i-series, business/power users with less financial constraints for the 600/7xx-models. It doesn't surprise me that Warpstock participants would belong to the later category. That doesn't mean there isn't a market for the i-series, it's just a different segment. -Dominique From cph Tue Oct 17 07:44:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA21202 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:44:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00588; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:31:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00253; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00239; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (194.164.53.196) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:31:40 -0400 Received: by bradnet.legend.co.uk (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id MAA001.43; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:31:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:31:42 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Infra Red with OS/2 Message-ID: <20001017123141.A136@eyup.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone here ever use Infra Red under OS/2 on a Thinkpad? I would appreciate any tips on getting it going. Ideally, I'd like to HotSync between my TP600 and Palm Pilot, but don't really have a clue how. Normally, I use Pilot-link for TP<->Palm transfers, but I'm not sure how to define PORT when running PILOT-XFER. CONFIG.SYS has:- Device=C:\OS2\BOOT\IRDD.SYS 2F8 3 which I thought would define com2 as my infra red port using IRQ 3, but when using com2 with pilot-xfer it says the port is not ready. -- John From cph Tue Oct 17 09:07:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA21605 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:07:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06943; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:03:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06187; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06158; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:02:56 -0400 Received: from tk-laptop (tk-laptop.egenet.com.tr [212.175.201.38]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA12742 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:01:49 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200010171301.QAA12742@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:02:12 +0300 Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.90.3000) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: two drives? List-Unsubscribe: is it possible to install two hard drives with a TP A20m ? I understand A20's have a hot-swap bay (DVD is installed currently) can we swap that with a HD or something? Too bad floppy is not removable! Thanks, -turgut ------------ EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Tue Oct 17 09:24:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA21705 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:24:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09145; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:21:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08897; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08884; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (194.75.152.224 -> doggy.lineone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:21:37 -0400 Received: from hicdbs (host212-140-103-186.btinternet.com [212.140.103.186]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA09147 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:21:31 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200010171321.OAA09147@scooby.lineone.net> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:36:24 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20001017123141.A136@eyup.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Infra Red with OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id JAA09145 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA21706 On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:31:42 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >Has anyone here ever use Infra Red under OS/2 on a Thinkpad? >I would appreciate any tips on getting it going. >Ideally, I'd like to HotSync between my TP600 and Palm Pilot, >but don't really have a clue how. >Normally, I use Pilot-link for TP<->Palm transfers, but I'm not sure >how to define PORT when running PILOT-XFER. >CONFIG.SYS has:- >Device=C:\OS2\BOOT\IRDD.SYS 2F8 3 >which I thought would define com2 as my infra red port using IRQ 3, >but when using com2 with pilot-xfer it says the port is not ready. I can't help there, but i can say that on Warpstock Europe, IBM presented a ThinkPad which could connect to any IR-supported mobile phone and do anything with it! (upload songs, dial, modify phone lists etc) Also, on our OS/2 UK users group someone said that StarOffice 5.1a for OS/2 has support to connect to a Palm. So if you get IR working, you'll be able to use it with SO, but i can't help on how to get IR working since i've never tryed it. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Tue Oct 17 13:25:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA23597 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:25:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10178; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:20:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09383; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09359; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:20:23 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.48.0.45 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:19:06 -0700 Message-ID: <005701c0385e$a1beef20$2d00303f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: boot password Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:21:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I noticed a guy here the other day that had a boot password on the computer, and he removed the backup battery for 10 minutes and that removed it. Does this work? I always thought you had to get a dongle thingy for that. I've always wondered if the machine was completely dead with no power and no HD how it would retain the info. Booger Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. http://communities.msn.com/CyberboogersFunThinkpads From cph Tue Oct 17 13:45:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA23789 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:45:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12993; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:42:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12673; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12648; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (198.144.205.90 -> m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:42:05 -0400 Received: from 172.16.74.1 by NewPad ([172.16.74.1] running VPOP3) with ESMTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:42:03 -0700 From: "Michael Geary" To: "turgut kalfaoglu" , Subject: RE: two drives? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:42:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200010171301.QAA12742@home.egenet.com.tr> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.4.0b - Registered List-Unsubscribe: > is it possible to install two hard drives with a TP A20m ? > I understand A20's have a hot-swap bay (DVD is installed currently) > can we swap that with a HD or something? > Too bad floppy is not removable! You need the second hard drive adapter, IBM part #08K6068. You can put a bare drive in this adapter, but you'll get a more secure fit if you attach the drive to the proper mounting tray first. Bill Morrow sells the trays and drives, and he might have the adapter too: http://www.thinkpads.com/ If Bill doesn't have the adapter, go here: http://shopper.cnet.com/ and type the part number 08K6068 into the search box. -Mike From cph Tue Oct 17 13:54:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA23888 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:54:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14463; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:50:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14182; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14167; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:50:43 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-27.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.180]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id e9HHod723101; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:50:39 -0400 From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Brad Burean" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: RE: boot password Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:56:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <005701c0385e$a1beef20$2d00303f@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Booger, Brad Burean [mailto:Burean@email.msn.com] > I noticed a guy here the other day that had a boot password on the computer, > and he removed the backup battery for 10 minutes and that removed it. Does > this work? I always thought you had to get a dongle thingy for that. I've > always wondered if the machine was completely dead with no power and no HD > how it would retain the info. There are a lot of older laptops around where a BIOS password can be removed by the simple expedient of removing the CMOS battery, just as it used to work on many desktop motherboards. And, just as on many motherboards, shorting two pins while powering on the system can also remove a BIOS password, and also reset all of your BIOS settings to the default state. Most, if not all, Thinkpads have this ability to remove a Power On Password (POP) by simply shorting the proper two pads or pins. A system with a completely depleted CMOS battery will result in the same state as having shorted the pins to clear the BIOS, no POP and default settings. But, removing batteries or shorting pads will NOT remove a Supervisor Password >from a Thinkpad. That's stored in the EEPROM on the MB that contains all of the system defaults and doesn't rely on a battery. Regards, James From cph Tue Oct 17 14:51:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA24523 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:51:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21536; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:43:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21013; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20972; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:43:05 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-27.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.180]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id e9HIh2721859 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:43:02 -0400 From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: [Thinkpad - Humor] Non Politically Correct Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:49:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: I just _had_ to share this with you folks. James ************************************************** On a sunny deserted island in the middle of nowhere, there are: 2 Italian men and 1 Italian woman 2 French men and 1 French woman 2 German men and 1 German woman 2 Greek men and 1 Greek woman 2 English men and 1 English woman 2 Bulgarian men and 1 Bulgarian woman 2 American men and 1 American woman 2 Japanese men and 1 Japanese woman 2 Irish men and 1 Irish woman One month later, the following things have occurred: * One Italian man killed the other Italian man for the Italian woman. * The 2 French men and the French woman are happily living together in a menage-a-trois. * The 2 German men have a strict weekly schedule of alternating visits with the German woman. * The 2 Greek men are sleeping with each other and the Greek woman is cleaning and cooking for them. * The 2 English men are waiting for someone to introduce them to the English woman. * The 2 Bulgarian men took a long look at the endless ocean and one look at the Bulgarian woman and they started swimming. * The 2 American men are contemplating the virtues of suicide, because the American woman keeps on bitching about her body, the true nature of feminism, how she can do everything that they can do, the necessity of fulfillment, the equal division of household chores, how sand and palm trees make her look fat, how her LAST boyfriend respected her opinion and treated her much nicer than THEY do, and how her relationship with her mother is improving. But at least the taxes are low and it is not raining. * The 2 Japanese men have faxed Tokyo and are waiting for instructions. * The Irish began by dividing the island into north and south and by setting up a distillery. They do not remember if sex is in the picture because it gets sort of foggy after the first few liters of coconut whiskey, but they are satisfied because at least the English aren't getting laid. From cph Tue Oct 17 15:12:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA24741 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:12:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23735; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:04:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23465; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23448; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (209.228.12.86 -> c014-h022.c014.sfo.cp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:04:26 -0400 Received: (cpmta 9098 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2000 12:02:14 -0700 Received: from slip-32-101-226-88.co.us.prserv.net (HELO thinkpad) (32.101.226.88) by smtp.flashcom.net (209.228.12.86) with SMTP; 17 Oct 2000 12:02:14 -0700 X-Sent: 17 Oct 2000 19:02:14 GMT Message-ID: <006b01c0386c$ad06c7a0$58e26520@thinkpad> From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Shawn Lin" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" References: <39E9359A.4817F5C9@mail.orion.org> Subject: OFF TOPIC: HomeFree Wireless Network (Was: Wireless access point question) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:01:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I bought a PCI and PCMCIA HomeFree NIC to get a peer-to-peer network going at home. I was able to get the two computers to see each other using the NetBEUI protocol, but couldn't get my laptop to share my broadband TCP/IP Internet connection. I tried the latest version of WinNAT from Diamond MM and tried the win'98 internet connection sharing, but couldn't get the laptop attached to the DSL Internet connection on my desktop machine. Is there some trick? ----- Original Message ----- > I'm thinking about upgrading from my super cheap HomeFree wireless > network to an 802.11b 11mbps network. I'd like to use a wireless access > point so my wired and wireless networks can communicate with each > other. Right now, I have 2 NICs (Homefree wireless and 10/100) in my > server machine, and the 2 networks don't see each other. From cph Tue Oct 17 16:16:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA25335 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:16:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01244; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:06:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00771; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00696; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:06:24 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a25.pm3-26.theriver.com [208.164.102.89]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DAD25D2D; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:05:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39ECB107.63AAC319@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:05:27 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: boot password References: <005701c0385e$a1beef20$2d00303f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: It shouldn't work... the password is tied into a capacitor charge that should require a parts replacement with someone very specialized in soldering iron parts removal. If it is in the hard drive, it cannot be fixed at all without spending more than a new drive would cost. IBM says it won't work. EZServe says it won't work. From cph Tue Oct 17 16:37:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA25502 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:37:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04455; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:30:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04130; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04113; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:30:48 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-171.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.171]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9HKUM905834 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:30:22 -0700 Message-ID: <39ECB6D4.923742C3@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:30:12 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: boot password References: <005701c0385e$a1beef20$2d00303f@oemcomputer> <39ECB107.63AAC319@theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ray Bay wrote: > > It shouldn't work... the password is tied into a capacitor charge that > should require a parts replacement with someone very specialized in > soldering iron parts removal. If it is in the hard drive, it cannot be > fixed at all without spending more than a new drive would cost. > > IBM says it won't work. EZServe says it won't work. I think it is stored in an EEPROM. A capacitor can easily be discharged by shorting across it, not to mention a capacitor will discharge by itself over time due to voltage leakage. It depends on the password though. The Supervisor password is stored in EEPROM on the motherboard, a Hard Drive password is stored in EEPROM on the hard drive itself. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Oct 17 16:38:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA25513 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:38:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04937; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:34:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04599; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04502; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:33:46 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.48.0.45 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:32:42 -0700 Message-ID: <013b01c03879$ae59e8a0$2d00303f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: WTB Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:34:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: A good 560 dual scan bezel. Screen not needed. Just the top plastics. Email with price Booger http://communities.msn.com/CyberboogersFunThinkpads From cph Tue Oct 17 16:38:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA25518 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:38:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05236; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:35:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04896; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04800; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:35:29 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-171.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.171]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9HKZO906555; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:35:24 -0700 Message-ID: <39ECB803.F6FC32E9@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:35:15 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Franklin CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: HomeFree Wireless Network (Was: Wireless access point question) References: <39E9359A.4817F5C9@mail.orion.org> <006b01c0386c$ad06c7a0$58e26520@thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Tom Franklin wrote: > > I bought a PCI and PCMCIA HomeFree NIC to get a peer-to-peer network going > at home. I was able to get the two computers to see each other using the > NetBEUI protocol, but couldn't get my laptop to share my broadband TCP/IP > Internet connection. > > I tried the latest version of WinNAT from Diamond MM and tried the win'98 > internet connection sharing, but couldn't get the laptop attached to the DSL > Internet connection on my desktop machine. Is there some trick? So the two computers can see each other? You're probably in good shape. On my Thinkpads, I only had to install the drivers. On the desktop machine, I had to install the driver and also let the HomeFree software install WinNAT. If you're trying to install the WinNAT software outside of HomeFree, that might be the problem. Unfortunately I can't really help because I've never tried HomeFree with a DSL connection, I've only used it with a dial up connection. You might try writing it Ivasion Tech Support. I could actually get help from them while Diamond ignores my email. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Oct 17 17:39:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA26115 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:39:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12860; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:31:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12187; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12158; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp (203.141.108.12 -> mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:31:33 -0400 Received: from ycxfssto (203-141-109-17.ip.xaxon.ne.jp [203.141.109.17]) by mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) with ESMTP id GAA00685 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:31:14 +0900 (JST) From: "John Goodman" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:31:29 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Smart mice Reply-to: jgood@well.com Message-ID: <39ED43C1.127.697D35@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <009901c03810$82d986e0$a91d45cf@desktop> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: > has a smart cursor that always jumps to the active screen's > yes/no (...) > I would like to load such software... I installed Intellimouse 2.0 software on a TP600 with Win95B, but even though I don't usually use an external mouse, the Trackpoint cursor is now automagically ready to click on default buttons. In any case, the newer MS Tweak UI 1.33 has a setting for invoking this behavior, as well as a bunch of other useful stuff that does not seem to cause problems. John Goodman http://www.3-dviews.com From cph Tue Oct 17 17:56:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA26263 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:56:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14658; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:46:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14388; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14207; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:45:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (63.211.172.64 -> m1.boston.juno.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:45:13 -0400 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Z4sRmP4V5DZKhyOUz4u6NoQLXe0Jsd3fo7aMwIAIwmxTnha8ScZOgw=="> Received: (from evenmere@juno.com) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FLL5XB9Q; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:44:16 EDT To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:45:54 -0500 Subject: loading programs on PCMCIA compressed drive Message-ID: <20001017.164616.-2042337.4.evenmere@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-9 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 List-Unsubscribe: I have a pen tablet whose hard drive is a compressed PCMCIA card. I wanted to load a couple small programs on it using a laptop, but the laptop sees the Host drive as Host for c (E:). I tried loading the program on the E drive but that didn't work at all. I can't tell it to load to c because the laptop already has a C: drive. Any suggestions? Thanks James From cph Tue Oct 17 18:01:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA26329 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:01:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16404; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:57:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16108; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16064; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:56:56 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-8-10.phl.magpage.com [216.155.33.115]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id e9HLuk708922; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:56:46 -0400 From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Ray Bay" , Subject: RE: boot password Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:03:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39ECB107.63AAC319@theriver.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Sorry Ray, you've lost me! Ray Bay [mailto:canyonlands@theriver.com] wrote: > It shouldn't work... the password is tied into a capacitor charge that > should require a parts replacement with someone very specialized in > soldering iron parts removal. If it is in the hard drive, it cannot be > fixed at all without spending more than a new drive would cost. > > IBM says it won't work. EZServe says it won't work. What won't work? Removing a POP by removing the CMOS battery? On a lot of systems this will work just fine, as long as you're willing to wait long enough for any capacitor to discharge that may be in the circuit. A capacitor is just a battery after all and _will_ deplete after a while. I think Bill or one of the other venerable, knowledgeable ones said it would take more than a month on a Thinkpad. There are a _lot_ of other laptops that this trick will work on immediately. Removing a POP by shorting the proper pins or pads takes about 30 seconds. The Supervisor Password is stored in an EEPROM and removing batteries will have _no_ effect on it. Nor can you remove an SP from a HD without the proper SP by other than doing a bit of HEXEDIT that will result in a wiped drive. The folks at Nortek http://www.nortek.on.ca/nortek/ post all the time that they can successfully remove SP passwords from Thinkpads or HDs. I've never seen any posts from anyone that has availed themselves of their services, but they state they're 100% guaranteed and their prices don't seem bad at all. US$85 for unlocking a HD and US$95 for removing an SP. Regards, James From cph Tue Oct 17 18:56:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA26742 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:56:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23328; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:47:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22127; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22074; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:47:10 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a25.pm3-26.theriver.com [208.164.102.89]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4A1263FA; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:43:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39ECD60E.A9CF1CA7@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:43:26 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Retraction on Boot Password Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: After a follow-up on James Maugham's excellent information/ recommendation, I contacted www.nortek.on.ca/nortek/ of Ontario, Canada. They are an engineering firm that has been in business for about 20 years... manufacturing servo writers, repairing and refurbishing hard drives and are now the #1 mass storage system remanufacturer. They do all manufacturer/types. This is a very interesting company. 200 Main Street West North Bay, Ontario Canada P1B 8G5 (705) 474-6206 fax (705) 474-2409 They assure me they can "usually" remove passwords on ThinkPad's and Thinkpad hard drives for around a hundred bucks... plus shipping and customs fees and taxes. Be sure you're package is properly labeled as to contents and purpose. Their work does remove everything that was on the hard drive permanently. You have some problems with getting it there and back... about three weeks or so from home back to home... IBM says it isn't authorized and can void the warrantee. But Nortek says it leaves no physical scars. And I meant to say EPROM when I said capacitor... From cph Tue Oct 17 19:14:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA26861 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:14:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25060; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:09:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24791; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24719; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iso.net (64.217.45.201 -> iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:08:22 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial18.fyvl.telxcom.net [64.217.44.146]) by iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28206 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:03:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <39ECF7D2.5CBD1958@iso.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:07:30 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: boot password References: <005701c0385e$a1beef20$2d00303f@oemcomputer> <39ECB107.63AAC319@theriver.com> <39ECB6D4.923742C3@mail.orion.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: There is info on password removal at at http://servicepac.de.ibm.com/eprmhtml/epr2a/h4033.htm Bill From cph Tue Oct 17 19:38:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA27040 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:38:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28185; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:34:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27894; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27860; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:33:52 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-8-10.phl.magpage.com [216.155.33.115]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id e9HNXi704347; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:33:44 -0400 From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , Cc: "Ray Bay" Subject: RE: boot password Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:40:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39ECF7D2.5CBD1958@iso.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: William Van Tuyl [mailto:wvantuyl@iso.net] wrote: > There is info on password removal at at > http://servicepac.de.ibm.com/eprmhtml/epr2a/h4033.htm Right church, wrong pew Bill. ;-) There are _explicit_ instructions for removing the POP on every Thinkpad here: http://servicepac.de.ibm.com/eprmhtml/eprm2/f3200.htm just scroll down until you find your system. Regards, James From cph Tue Oct 17 20:49:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA27472 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:49:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06400; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:43:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05605; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05535; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iso.net (64.217.45.201 -> iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:43:15 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial18.fyvl.telxcom.net [64.217.44.146]) by iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30208; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:37:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <39ED0DE5.5EBEB329@iso.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:41:41 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James H. E. Maugham" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: boot password References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well if you want all the pews the easy way try http://www.nortek.on.ca/nortek/hdd_pw.html and you can do it with fewer clickuflections. ;;~) Bill "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > William Van Tuyl [mailto:wvantuyl@iso.net] wrote: > > > There is info on password removal at at > > http://servicepac.de.ibm.com/eprmhtml/epr2a/h4033.htm > > Right church, wrong pew Bill. ;-) > > There are _explicit_ instructions for removing the POP on every Thinkpad here: > http://servicepac.de.ibm.com/eprmhtml/eprm2/f3200.htm just scroll down until you > find your system. > > Regards, > > James From cph Tue Oct 17 23:43:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA28505 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:43:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23402; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:35:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22795; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.aros.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22728; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.aros.net (207.173.16.19 -> shell.aros.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:34:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (jbrush@localhost) by shell.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32070; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:34:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:34:24 -0600 (MDT) From: John Brush To: jbrush@aros.net cc: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Build your own 760?? In-Reply-To: <005701c0385e$a1beef20$2d00303f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I have a 760E that works just fine, but I long for a CD player when not on the docking station and would rather not have a PCMCIA dongle thingy if I can help it. I came upon a non working 760CD and am wondering if I can take the bottom off of the 760CD and put it on my working 760E and have a CD player/Floppy drive option? Is this doable, is it stupid? What kind of connector does the E floppy have, and can a CD player plug into it? I have looked at the base of both machines, and it looks daunting to just figure out how to get it apart :-) I would be interested in other's thoughts and opinions. Thanks for your consideration. Regards from Utah, the next place to be trashed by the Olympics :( John From cph Wed Oct 18 00:55:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA28804 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:55:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29801; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:46:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29250; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29236; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:46:23 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-40.gate.net [207.36.212.40]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA560694; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:46:15 -0400 Message-ID: <39ED2B4A.A42475FE@gate.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:47:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: turgut kalfaoglu CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: two drives? References: <200010171301.QAA12742@home.egenet.com.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: hot swap, no, warm swap, yes.. up to a 32gig drive can go into either or both HDD bay and ultrabay2000 turgut kalfaoglu wrote: > is it possible to install two hard drives with a TP A20m ? > I understand A20's have a hot-swap bay (DVD is installed currently) > can we swap that with a HD or something? > Too bad floppy is not removable! > > Thanks, -turgut > > ------------ > EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr > Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Wed Oct 18 01:00:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA28830 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:00:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00633; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:50:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00043; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop2pub.verizon.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29998; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop2pub.verizon.net (206.46.170.21 -> smtppop2pub.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:50:31 -0400 Received: from evrtwa1-ar5-247-221.dsl.gtei.net (evrtwa1-ar5-247-221.dsl.gtei.net [4.35.247.221]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id XAA40025969 Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:48:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200010180448.XAA40025969@smtppop2pub.verizon.net> From: "LightSide/ Click" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:01:57 +0000 Reply-To: "LightSide/ Click" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: thinkpads List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:33:06 +0100 (BST), Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis wrote: >I just came back from Warpstock Europe 2000 in Gemany. > >One thing that i noticed was 99% of the laptops there where >all ThinkPads. > >Another thing i noticed, NONE of them where i-series. Most of >them where 600's or 7xx's. > >It seems like i-series hasn't had much success. As I see it, the 600 and 700 lines are designed with specific purposes in mind. I would say the iSeries is for the entry level, college student, recreational user/user group, or christmas gift purpose laptop. They're affordable (as far as laptops goes), and they try to give a wider spread of features w/o specializing in one. My $0.02 Robert From cph Wed Oct 18 01:07:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA28884 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:07:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03180; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:02:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02757; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02712; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:02:27 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-133.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.133]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9I52B914341; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:02:11 -0700 Message-ID: <39ED2EC8.9B2A9223@mail.orion.org> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:02:00 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Brush CC: jbrush@aros.net, "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Build your own 760?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John Brush wrote: > > I came upon a non working 760CD and am wondering if I can take the bottom > off of the 760CD and put it on my working 760E and have a CD player/Floppy > drive option? I personally don't believe so. I had a 760L, 760C, and 760ED. The last one has room for a CD-ROM. The actual electronics module is taller in the 760ED. I think the electronics module is probably taller in the 760CD as well. You might check the part number pages at http://www.pc.ibm.com. You have to select US, then Support. You should be able to check part numbers. I think it's the main circuit board that determines the thickness of the electronics module. > Is this doable, is it stupid? What kind of connector does the E floppy > have, and can a CD player plug into it? I personally don't think it's doable, but I'd have to go through the support pages at the IBM website to compare part numbers. I'd do it for you, but I'm on a 56k dialup and those pages load up slow, so I'll let you do it. :) > I have looked at the base of both machines, and it looks daunting to just > figure out how to get it apart :-) You take them apart from the top. Below the display and above the keyboard, is a thin plastic strip that has a bunch of small rectangles on it. Using a razor knife or X-acto knife, you can remove those tiny little rectangles (they're vinyl stickers that cover the screws). There are 5 of them I think. Then just remove the Phillips screws and lift that piece off. You will then have to remove the keyboard (just unplug it), and remove the display assembly. The display assembly is just plugged in, and you will also have to remove 2 screws inside, and 4 screws outside (on the rear of the unit) to remove the display. You will then see the electronics module. All the electronics are contained fully in that aluminum box. You remove it by removing 6 screws (I think). 2 on either side of the internal HD/floppy connectors, and 2 on either side of the battery connector. Then using a flathead screwdriver, you can press the secret latches and the PCMCIA slides will come out. Then lift a plastic bezel around the power switch and the power switch will come out and when it comes completely out, that plastic bezel will come out too. You also have to pop out the modem connector (if you have one). I think THEN the whole electronics module will come out. > I would be interested in other's thoughts and opinions. Maybe it would be easier to pull your RAM, HD, etc., sell your 760E on Ebay, and look for a 760ED on Ebay. I bought a stripped down 760ED on Ebay once for $150. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Wed Oct 18 15:59:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA01477 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:59:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23704; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:47:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22265; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22242; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (132.187.1.7 -> wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:47:14 -0400 Received: from magrathea.stelarcom.de (root@wex101.extern.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.248.101]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/uniwue-MM-1.02) with ESMTP id VAA07790; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:47:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from babylon5 (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2]) by magrathea.stelarcom.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA07989; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:49:56 +0200 Message-Id: <200010180549.HAA07989@magrathea.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "Shawn Lin" Cc: "ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:19:08 +0200 (MST) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <39ECB6D4.923742C3@mail.orion.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: boot password List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:30:12 -0500, Shawn Lin wrote: Hi! > Ray Bay wrote: > > > > It shouldn't work... the password is tied into a > > capacitor charge that should require a parts replacement > > with someone very specialized in soldering iron parts > > removal. If it is in the hard drive, it cannot be fixed > > at all without spending more than a new drive would > > cost. > > > > IBM says it won't work. EZServe says it won't work. > > I think it is stored in an EEPROM. A capacitor can easily > be discharged by shorting across it, not to mention a > capacitor will discharge by itself over time due to > voltage leakage. It depends on the password though. The > Supervisor password is stored in EEPROM on the > motherboard, a Hard Drive password is stored in EEPROM on > the hard drive itself. You're all on a completely wrong track. It is in fact very easy if one knows how to do it. No, one don't need a special IBM tool for that and hours of work. Power on Password is good for locking the screen, but it is no real protection. At least not on the TP's I had at hand it takes you between 5 and 15 mins. So if you need some security a good locking cable might be a better idea. -- CU/2 (( In the beginning was The Word. Alexander Wagner )) And The Word was Content-type: text/plain Team OS/2 Franken (( -=[ Team OS/2 Germany #294 ]=- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or A.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for replies, even if some other addresses may appear. Thanks! --> Get my PGP-key with Subject: Request for PGP-Keys <-- From cph Wed Oct 18 16:05:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA01541 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:05:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25738; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:01:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25114; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25007; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:00:53 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-199.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.199]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9IK0U909317; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:00:30 -0700 Message-ID: <39EE0151.31D9AD58@mail.orion.org> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:00:17 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Wagner CC: "ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: boot password References: <200010180549.HAA07989@magrathea.stelarcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Alexander Wagner wrote: > > You're all on a completely wrong track. It is in fact very > easy if one knows how to do it. No, one don't need a special > IBM tool for that and hours of work. Power on Password is > good for locking the screen, but it is no real protection. > At least not on the TP's I had at hand it takes you between > 5 and 15 mins. So if you need some security a good locking > cable might be a better idea. Yeah, Power on Password can be cleared by removing the CMOS battery. Only need to leave it out for a few seconds on my machine. However, Supervisor and HD password are something completely different. They ARE stored in EEPROM, I'm sure of it! When you transfer a locked HD to another machine, it is still passworded. I noticed my 560E doesn't have a Supervisor password, but the 760-series certainly does. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Wed Oct 18 17:37:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA02429 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:37:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06108; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:27:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05545; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05522; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:26:58 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-8.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.113]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id e9ILQGL18047; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:26:17 -0400 From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Shawn Lin" , "Alexander Wagner" Cc: Subject: RE: boot password Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:32:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39EE0151.31D9AD58@mail.orion.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Sorry for the two part message, but: Shawn Lin [mailto:slin01@mail.orion.org] wrote: > Alexander Wagner wrote: > > > > You're all on a completely wrong track. It is in fact very > > easy if one knows how to do it. No, one don't need a special > > IBM tool for that and hours of work. Power on Password is > > good for locking the screen, but it is no real protection. > > At least not on the TP's I had at hand it takes you between > > 5 and 15 mins. So if you need some security a good locking > > cable might be a better idea. Wrong track to do what Alexander? > Yeah, Power on Password can be cleared by removing the CMOS battery. > Only need to leave it out for a few seconds on my machine. > However, Supervisor and HD password are something completely different. > They ARE stored in EEPROM, I'm sure of it! When you transfer a locked > HD to another machine, it is still passworded. I noticed my 560E > doesn't have a Supervisor password, but the 760-series certainly does. I've always wondered about this lack in the 560's, and most of the 3XX series machines as well. None of them have the ability to set an SP, almost as though Big Blue figured that the data we keep on them isn't worthy of the level of protection afforded by the 600 and 700 series machines. Both my wife's 600 and daughter's 570 are protected by POPs and if I have cause to put one or the other's drive in a 2nd HDD adapter and put it in my 600, I'm prompted for THEIR POP on startup. As to the relationship between the POP and the HD PW, clearing the POP by means of the shorting pads DOES NOT clear the HD PW at the same time, more's the pity. Alexander is certainly correct when he says that the POP is a more of an inconvenience than an actual security feature, although at 5 to 15 minutes he must be moving _mighty_ slow! All of my 755s can be cleared in as long a time as it takes to open the keyboard, remove the floppy/CD drive and short two pads while cycling the power. My 600s require opening the DIMM door in the bottom of the unit, shorting two pads and cycling the power. My 770 requires putting a jumper on two pins under the DIMM door and cycling the power. None of these acts take very long and the removal information is readily available across the WWW, even from "official" IBM sources, like the HMMs. So if you want some REAL security, setup a Supervisor Password. But if you forget it, you're screwed!! Regards, James From cph Wed Oct 18 23:18:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA05197 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:18:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00585; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:05:13 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29706; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:05:07 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id XAA24408 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14368; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (38.8.22.2 -> relay21.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:45:40 -0400 Received: from ntmail.doble.com ([204.215.186.11]) by relay21.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13m1xm-0003oV-00; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:45:34 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:44:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Bryan Daum'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: The $50 Thinkpad Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:44:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Well it makes up for all the times I wasted money 8->. Actually I bought my 365ED from the broken bin at a local computer store years ago when it was current. It turned out the LCD was bad ($350). I did not realize the cost of getting a floppy, battery, and power supply. By the time I was all set I did not save very much money. I finally could access the Power On Password defeat web pages and found out after shorting the pads you turn the unit on. I did not try that as on some motherboards this can cause damage. Anyway removing the cmos battery worked as well. Some little hiccups with the unit but I still need to complete setting it up. I loaded Street Atlas 7 on it and find it works great when navigating in the car with GPS. The 800x600 TFT is a real improvement and it looks like the updating, etc.. is faster. What I find interesting is it seems the DSTN screen on the ED is only slightly worse than the TFT screen on a NCR 3180 (NEC Versa E). I have not done side by side comparison but it seems the 365XD screen is a big improvement over the 365ED screen. I still may go for the new laptop but my thinking is going more to getting a 600E. I need to do some more tests but it seems the 800x display is good. 1024x with the same pixels per inch (scaled up display) would look good as well. I am going to see if the P120 is fast enough for the stuff I am planning on doing. If so then a 366 or 400 MHz 600E with a 800x or 1024x TFT display would be super fast. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com WB1HBU -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Daum [mailto:allied@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 5:31 PM To: Cottrell, Eric Cc: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' Subject: Re: The $50 Thinkpad You are beyond me, but good luck.......I'd have jumped at the 600 for >$900....or, as I did, jump for a 600E 366 w/DVD AND 3 YEAR WARRANY (great for busy non technical types, like me) for >$1700 and been on with my life and hamming...or computing. Sometimes more is less. 73, Bryan NEW 600E! N1AHD From cph Thu Oct 19 15:25:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA11408 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:25:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20705; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:16:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19950; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0i.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19927; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0i.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.38 -> www0i.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:16:44 -0400 Received: (qmail 28459 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2000 19:16:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20001019191639.28458.qmail@www0i.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.38 by www0i for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Thu Oct 19 19:16:39 GMT 2000 Date: 19 Oct 00 14:16:39 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: 600X Fan Stopped X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA11409 Today I noticed that my 600X is running really hot. I can't seem to feel any air movement coming out on the left side where the fan usually blows out. I'm not sure if this is something that just happened today or if it is related to my newly set up HD (after the last drive crashed) that was built this past weekend. As far as I know I have set up this HD with Windows 2000 exactly as it was before the crash. I believe I have installed all of the IBM drivers too. Any ideas as to why the fan isn't running? I did do a BIOS 'Initialize' during the troubleshooting of my bad HD (at the IBM tech's request); could that have caused the fan troubles? Since I run Seti@Home, which maxes the CPU, having good cooling is important. Thanks in advance... Rob rbell1@netscape.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Fri Oct 20 00:16:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA15601 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:16:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03613; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:07:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02928; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02912; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:07:20 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-11.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.116]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id e9K47Es18137 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:07:15 -0400 From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: [TP - ALL] Another from Louie!!!! Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:14:12 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Louie's at it again folks. He's got two of the IBM PCMCIA external CD drives, model 1969-100. This is the one with the detachable speakers and all the bells and whistles. He's only got two, so somebody get them: http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/inproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=3&sku=1969%2D100+SERIES Regards, James From cph Fri Oct 20 02:03:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA16314 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:03:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09930; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:00:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09745; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09731; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:00:18 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip129-37-224-65.mo.us.prserv.net [129.37.224.65]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9K604205262 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:00:04 -0700 Message-ID: <39EF75A8.9B817E3F@mail.orion.org> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:28:56 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: TP600/560Z 3-prong power cord Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a 16V 3.36A AC adapter that is designed for the TP600 and 560Z (I think). Only problem is, it didn't come with that 3-prong power cord. Is this something that Radio Shack sells, or do I have to mail order it? :( Radio Shack's website has no pictures, DOH! If RS has these cords, let me know so I can go on a road trip. Otherwise it's time to waste more $$$ on overpriced S&H having a power cord shipped to me. :( It's definitely cheaper to purchase a used TP complete, rather than to purchase all the parts separately. Not only is it time consuming, in the end it costs more. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Fri Oct 20 02:10:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA16346 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:10:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11008; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:07:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10511; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10498; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:07:06 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA17244 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:07:01 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000d01c03a5b$fa447800$5c62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" References: <39EF75A8.9B817E3F@mail.orion.org> Subject: Re: TP600/560Z 3-prong power cord Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:06:53 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > Only problem is, it didn't come with that 3-prong power cord. > Is this something that Radio Shack sells, or do I have to mail order it? If you find a cheap source for these, let us all know. When I travel out of the country I like to use a spare cord with an appropriate plug on it, insead of a plug adapter. With the two-pronger this was never a problem (since it is a standard 'teakettle' cord most places). - David R. From cph Fri Oct 20 03:36:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA16715 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:36:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15783; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:32:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15475; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15462; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:32:49 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip129-37-224-149.mo.us.prserv.net [129.37.224.149]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9K7Wk011465 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:32:46 -0700 Message-ID: <39EFF513.9875C9A8@mail.orion.org> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:32:35 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Keyboard appearance restoration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: This is a silly tip, but it works great! I buy used Thinkpads because they're cheap. Most are well used, and the normally matte (flat) finish of the most commonly used keys on the keyboard have become worn shiny. This bothers me, because I'm just that kind of guy. :) I've been able to restore that "new" looking matte finish to those worn keys using Testor's Dullcote. It's a clear spray paint (lacquer) that dries to a matte finish, around $3.00 at hobby stores. 1. Clean the keys with alcohol. 2. Mask off everything that you don't want to give a dull, matte finish. 3. Spray the keyboard with Dullcote. Like with any spray paint, you will get best results in an environment with the least dust. Make sure to avoid drips. When the keyboard dries, the shiny worn spots will have magically disappeared! I believe this can also be used to hide shiny scuff marks on the Thinkpad's matte outer surfaces, although I didn't try this. I would NOT attempt to use this on any Thinkpads with the rubberized finish. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Fri Oct 20 10:52:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA18954 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:52:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21828; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:48:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21495; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21482; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:48:15 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-33.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.186]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id e9KEm9j12555; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:48:10 -0400 From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "David Ross" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: RE: TP600/560Z 3-prong power cord Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:55:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000d01c03a5b$fa447800$5c62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Shawn & David, Call Shop IBM (1 888 SHOPIBM), they'll make sure you get the right 76H3516 cloverleaf cord, $4.50 plus shipping. You can also order it online from ShopIBM. They don't have them in Radio Shack, or at least they didn't the last time I checked. If you call Shop IBM ask them about availability of the 76H3524 UK power cord, but they don't appear to normally have them. Last time I was in London I was able to pick one up (real IBM!) for a few pounds. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: David Ross [mailto:ross@math.hawaii.edu] > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 1:07 AM > To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU > Subject: Re: TP600/560Z 3-prong power cord > > > > Only problem is, it didn't come with that 3-prong power cord. > > Is this something that Radio Shack sells, or do I have to mail order it? > > If you find a cheap source for these, let us all know. When I travel out of > the country I like to use > a spare cord with an appropriate plug on it, insead of a plug adapter. With > the two-pronger this was never > a problem (since it is a standard 'teakettle' cord most places). > > - David R. > From cph Fri Oct 20 14:26:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA20863 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:26:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15091; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:22:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14498; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14471; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:22:24 -0400 Received: from 75.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.171.75]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001020182209.MQXJ5059.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@75.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:22:09 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [tp600] Ultraslim Zip drive warm-swappable? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:22:12 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39f38242.11455881@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA20864 I recently installed the Zip drive in my 600E (found a refurb on eBay for $60) and I'm not having luck with warm-swapping it in and out of the system. Is that not supported for the Zip drive? I've got the latest hot/warm swap driver installed. Also, is this OS dependent? I'm thinking of upgrading to Windows 2000 in a week or so - does that support warm-swapping? One big feature of W2K I'm looking forward to is never having to reboot the system unless I'm changing my configuration. Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Fri Oct 20 14:33:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA20933 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:33:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16045; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:29:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15636; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15522; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:29:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:29:10 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a47.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.48]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA22069 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010201828.OAA22069@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a47.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.48] 209.198.113.48 Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:27:19 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM refurbished battery X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 List-Unsubscribe: Two questions; 1. When IBM replaces a thinkpad battery, they ship a refurbished one. I didn't know this until today. How do they refurbish them -- Mine lasted about 2 months before starting to give about one hour of service (and it is not acceptable to me since the original battery and the replacement together have not given as much service as a second purchased battery that is regularly rotated with the other). In fact, the replacement battery ever had the capacity of a real new one. 2. IBM (Easyserve) also stated they only warranty replacement batteries for 90 days. I can find no documentation on this that was received with the replacement battery. Did everyone else receive it, or am the only one left out? ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Oct 20 15:53:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA21718 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:53:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23554; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:45:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23033; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22964; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:45:05 -0400 Received: from dsrv ([216.140.194.66]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e9KJitw27941 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001020154810.00923210@pop.ziplink.net> X-Sender: drgrant@pop.ziplink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:48:10 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Capone Subject: Battery Lady Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Anyone here have the number for the lady that repacks batteries? I need some old NIMH batteries redone.... -Mike From cph Fri Oct 20 16:13:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA21932 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:13:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26461; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:08:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26107; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26078; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:08:35 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a10.pm3-14.theriver.com [208.164.96.26]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CE3266FE; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:06:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39F0A5C9.F56FDAB4@theriver.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:06:33 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Capone Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery Lady References: <3.0.5.32.20001020154810.00923210@pop.ziplink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I don't have that one, but somebody mentioned www.batteryterminal.com once. From cph Fri Oct 20 17:17:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA22521 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:17:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03840; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:12:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03320; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03298; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:12:23 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-52.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.52]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9KLCI014139 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:12:19 -0700 Message-ID: <39F0B528.C736529@mail.orion.org> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:12:08 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: TP600/560Z 3-prong power cord FOUND!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Found the 3-prong power cord with the cloverleaf connector: Radio Shack 61-2868 $3.99 Unfortunately the RS in the closest town (15 minutes away) didn't have any in stock. He went ahead and ordered one for me, but it'll take a week to get it. :( I guess I could probably pick one up in the city tomorrow since there are over a dozen Radio Shacks to choose from, but the guy already ordered me one so I'd better be courteous and wait for it. BTW, it's the same power cord this guy on Ebay is trying to peddle for $14.99 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=474329690 Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Fri Oct 20 17:34:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA22683 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:34:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05951; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:28:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05679; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05665; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:28:24 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA21692; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:28:19 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <006201c03adc$ad60eb00$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Shawn Lin" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" References: <39F0B528.C736529@mail.orion.org> Subject: Re: TP600/560Z 3-prong power cord FOUND!!! Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:28:23 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > Found the 3-prong power cord with the cloverleaf connector: > Radio Shack 61-2868 $3.99 I would never have predicted that RS would carry this. Cool! BTW, you can also order this from RS online (they describe it as a "Compaq notebook computer cord"); just go to radioshack.com and search for the part number Shawn gave us. While there, don't forget the Koss Headphones on sale for $0.99 (that's 99 cents), catalogue # 930-0547. - David R. From cph Fri Oct 20 17:35:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA22696 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:35:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06878; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:32:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06462; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06447; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:32:13 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.48.4.57 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:32:34 -0700 Message-ID: <006401c03add$4c550e80$6b02303f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Shawn Lin" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <39F0B528.C736529@mail.orion.org> Subject: Re: TP600/560Z 3-prong power cord FOUND!!! Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:32:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: It just goes to show you, a great photo will get the bids. Bet he sells it. He got 63 bucks for a 2X cd rom! Booger http://communities.msn.com/CyberboogersFunThinkpads ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Lin To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 4:12 PM Subject: TP600/560Z 3-prong power cord FOUND!!! > Found the 3-prong power cord with the cloverleaf connector: > Radio Shack 61-2868 $3.99 > > Unfortunately the RS in the closest town (15 minutes away) didn't have > any in stock. > He went ahead and ordered one for me, but it'll take a week to get it. > :( > I guess I could probably pick one up in the city tomorrow since there > are over a dozen Radio Shacks to choose from, but the guy already > ordered me one so I'd better be courteous and wait for it. > > BTW, it's the same power cord this guy on Ebay is trying to peddle for > $14.99 > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=474329690 > > Shawn > > > > ________________________________________________________ > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Fri Oct 20 17:55:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA22846 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:55:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09702; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:51:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09446; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09431; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:51:19 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-33.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.186]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id e9KLow123026; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:50:58 -0400 From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Shawn Lin" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: RE: TP600/560Z 3-prong power cord FOUND!!! Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:58:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39F0B528.C736529@mail.orion.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Shawn, Shawn Lin [mailto:slin01@mail.orion.org] wrote: > Found the 3-prong power cord with the cloverleaf connector: > Radio Shack 61-2868 $3.99 Great if correct, but I think what he's found you is a standard, grounded, figure 8 teakettle cord. That's what a lot of Compaqs use and that's how it's described on the website, Compaq AC cord. Could be a grounded AC plug to TWO wire connecter. Did he show you a picture of it? This would be great if correct because my wife is constantly leaving the AC cord for her power supply in various cities around the world. Better than my daughter though, she's lost TWO chargers for her Motorola StarTAC in just 6 months! > Unfortunately the RS in the closest town (15 minutes away) didn't have > any in stock. > He went ahead and ordered one for me, but it'll take a week to get it. > :( > I guess I could probably pick one up in the city tomorrow since there > are over a dozen Radio Shacks to choose from, but the guy already > ordered me one so I'd better be courteous and wait for it. Why? You can just call him and say you got it from another store! He's not going to be upset about a $3.99 sale. > BTW, it's the same power cord this guy on Ebay is trying to peddle for > $14.99 > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=474329690 He'll probably get it! Regards, James From cph Fri Oct 20 18:05:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA22940 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:05:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11092; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:02:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10755; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10741; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:02:17 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.48.4.57 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:02:53 -0700 Message-ID: <008201c03ae1$88af0d00$6b02303f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Drive knocking Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:03:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I've got a 2.1 gig drive that occasionally knocks. Not real loud but noticable. Ran scandisk w/surface check, and defragged, still getting the knock. Running w98se Any ideas? Can painting fix this? Booger http://communities.msn.com/CyberboogersFunThinkpads From cph Fri Oct 20 18:05:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA22949 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:05:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11224; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:02:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10838; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10814; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:02:34 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-52.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.52]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9KM2K019663; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:02:21 -0700 Message-ID: <39F0C0E1.C0234E6F@mail.orion.org> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:02:09 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James H. E. Maugham" CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: TP600/560Z 3-prong power cord FOUND!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > > > Found the 3-prong power cord with the cloverleaf connector: > > Radio Shack 61-2868 $3.99 > > Great if correct, but I think what he's found you is a standard, grounded, > figure 8 teakettle cord. That's what a lot of Compaqs use and that's how it's > described on the website, Compaq AC cord. Could be a grounded AC plug to TWO > wire connecter. Did he show you a picture of it? Yes, the picture LOOKS correct, but it was a tiny picture! > Why? You can just call him and say you got it from another store! He's not going > to be upset about a $3.99 sale. Yeah, I'll probably do that if I can find one in the city tomorrow. I have to go there anyway. > > BTW, it's the same power cord this guy on Ebay is trying to peddle for > > $14.99 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=474329690 > > He'll probably get it! If he does, then I'll probably buy more than one and throw a few on Ebay with big giant pictures. ;) Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Fri Oct 20 18:12:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA23009 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:12:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12848; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:08:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12577; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12563; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:08:54 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA22091; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:08:50 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <007c01c03ae2$56a13800$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Brad Burean" , "Thinkpad Users" References: <008201c03ae1$88af0d00$6b02303f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Drive knocking Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:08:55 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Is this the 2.1g that came on the P133 TP560? If so, then I think this is normal recalibration; mine has been doing this since new, years ago. You might install EZ-Smart from IBM if you are worried (or if it is new behavior - that can signal imminent failure). - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:03 PM Subject: Drive knocking > I've got a 2.1 gig drive that occasionally knocks. Not real loud but > noticable. Ran scandisk w/surface check, and defragged, still getting the > knock. Running w98se Any ideas? Can painting fix this? > > > Booger > > http://communities.msn.com/CyberboogersFunThinkpads > > > > > From cph Fri Oct 20 18:48:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA23303 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:48:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16722; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:38:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16506; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16491; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:38:13 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip129-37-224-112.mo.us.prserv.net [129.37.224.112]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9KMbk022908 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:37:46 -0700 Message-ID: <39F0C92E.9BE7DAD1@mail.orion.org> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:37:34 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Drive knocking References: <008201c03ae1$88af0d00$6b02303f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Brad Burean wrote: > > I've got a 2.1 gig drive that occasionally knocks. Not real loud but > noticable. Ran scandisk w/surface check, and defragged, still getting the > knock. Running w98se Any ideas? Can painting fix this? My TP560X 4gig drive occasionally knocks. I ignore it and it works fine. My TP560E 2.1gig drive made some funny noises, and when I rebooted, Win98 forced a surface scan. Now it has a bad cluster. DOH! Oh well, any way to low level format these laptop IDE drives? Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Fri Oct 20 18:50:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA23321 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:50:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15805; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:30:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15548; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15535; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iso.net (64.217.45.201 -> iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:30:21 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial32.fyvl.telxcom.net [64.217.44.160]) by iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15373 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:25:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <39F0C6A3.C01A9B21@iso.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:26:44 -0500 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Drive knocking References: <008201c03ae1$88af0d00$6b02303f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Crack that drive open, pour in an once of paint and just like that, it won't knock any more. Bill ;<>) Brad Burean wrote: > I've got a 2.1 gig drive that occasionally knocks. Not real loud but > noticable. Ran scandisk w/surface check, and defragged, still getting the > knock. Running w98se Any ideas? Can painting fix this? > > Booger > > http://communities.msn.com/CyberboogersFunThinkpads From cph Fri Oct 20 19:15:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA23517 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:15:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20635; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:12:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20314; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20290; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:12:32 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a15.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.223]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B741526B5C; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:10:28 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39F0D0CD.A48F3328@theriver.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:10:05 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Drive knocking References: <008201c03ae1$88af0d00$6b02303f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Many of the 2.1 drives knock... I have three of them... two knock and have since 1997 with no increased knocking and no failures... so I assume it is "normal" Ray From cph Fri Oct 20 19:26:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA23593 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:26:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21948; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:21:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21516; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21503; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:21:53 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a15.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.223]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D46525C96; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:21:40 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39F0D36B.2BE71D33@theriver.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:21:15 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shawn Lin Cc: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Drive knocking References: <008201c03ae1$88af0d00$6b02303f@oemcomputer> <39F0C92E.9BE7DAD1@mail.orion.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: They DO NOT like to be low level formatted. Ray From cph Fri Oct 20 19:36:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA23657 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:36:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22937; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:32:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22590; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22577; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:32:33 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-346.gate.net [199.227.173.92]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA79114; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:32:24 -0400 Message-ID: <39F0D641.D7B2EF0B@gate.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:33:21 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Burean CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Drive knocking References: <008201c03ae1$88af0d00$6b02303f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Someone is trying to get OUT..! :-) ok, reality.. is this a new behaviour or has it been going on for some time.. describe "knocking" ? Brad Burean wrote: > I've got a 2.1 gig drive that occasionally knocks. Not real loud but > noticable. Ran scandisk w/surface check, and defragged, still getting the > knock. Running w98se Any ideas? Can painting fix this? > > Booger > > http://communities.msn.com/CyberboogersFunThinkpads -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Oct 20 21:08:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA24143 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:08:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00289; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:04:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29541; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29498; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:03:43 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.46.255.75 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:04:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c03afa$e5264760$4bff2e3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <008201c03ae1$88af0d00$6b02303f@oemcomputer> <39F0D641.D7B2EF0B@gate.net> Subject: Re: Drive knocking Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:31:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Well its a drive in a computer I got from one of my suppliers. It just has a knock every five minutes or so. I can feel it in the palmrest faintly. I have just had the machine a day, I think it's knocked a dozen or so times. Doesn't affect operation at all. Booger http://communities.msn.com/CyberboogersFunThinkpads ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morrow To: Brad Burean Cc: Thinkpad Users Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Drive knocking > Someone is trying to get OUT..! :-) > > ok, reality.. > is this a new behaviour or has it been going on for some time.. > > describe "knocking" ? > > > Brad Burean wrote: > > > I've got a 2.1 gig drive that occasionally knocks. Not real loud but > > noticable. Ran scandisk w/surface check, and defragged, still getting the > > knock. Running w98se Any ideas? Can painting fix this? > > > > Booger > > > > http://communities.msn.com/CyberboogersFunThinkpads > > -- > --- > > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > sic transit gloria > > From cph Fri Oct 20 21:38:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA24307 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:38:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02280; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:28:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02043; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02000; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:28:24 -0400 Received: from p3-1ghz (client-151-204-210-37.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.37]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18600 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001020212756.02b22860@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:29:22 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: TP600/560Z 3-prong power cord FOUND!!! In-Reply-To: <39F0C0E1.C0234E6F@mail.orion.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I went to Radio Shack and checked this cable out. It appears to be the right one on precursory visual scan. I'm going to go back tomorrow with a PO and pick up 5 of 'em and give 'em a whirl. The package/catalog does not it also works with other notebooks. $3.99? You can't beat that. :) Mark At 05:02 PM 10/20/00 -0500, you wrote: >"James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > > > > > Found the 3-prong power cord with the cloverleaf connector: > > > Radio Shack 61-2868 $3.99 > > > > Great if correct, but I think what he's found you is a standard, grounded, > > figure 8 teakettle cord. That's what a lot of Compaqs use and that's > how it's > > described on the website, Compaq AC cord. Could be a grounded AC plug > to TWO > > wire connecter. Did he show you a picture of it? > >Yes, the picture LOOKS correct, but it was a tiny picture! > > > Why? You can just call him and say you got it from another store! He's > not going > > to be upset about a $3.99 sale. > >Yeah, I'll probably do that if I can find one in the city tomorrow. I >have to go there anyway. > > > > BTW, it's the same power cord this guy on Ebay is trying to peddle for > > > $14.99 > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=474329690 > > > > He'll probably get it! > >If he does, then I'll probably buy more than one and throw a few on Ebay >with big giant pictures. ;) > >Shawn > > > >________________________________________________________ > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Fri Oct 20 21:46:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA24357 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:46:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03556; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:40:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03294; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03281; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:40:07 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-99.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.99]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9L1e3007163; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:40:03 -0700 Message-ID: <39F0F3E2.4B651CF4@mail.orion.org> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:39:46 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600/560Z 3-prong power cord FOUND!!! References: <4.2.0.58.20001020212756.02b22860@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mark Bell wrote: > > I went to Radio Shack and checked this cable out. It appears to be > the right one on precursory visual scan. I'm going to go back tomorrow > with a PO and pick up 5 of 'em and give 'em a whirl. The package/catalog > does not it also works with other notebooks. $3.99? You can't beat that. :) Just 5? Check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=474292684 50 of them!!! Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Sat Oct 21 01:14:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA25222 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 01:14:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16774; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 01:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 21 Oct 2000 01:09:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16472; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 01:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot04.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16459; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 01:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot04.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.24 -> pilot04.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 21 Oct 2000 01:09:14 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm457-09.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.115]) by pilot04.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e9L59B650684 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 01:09:11 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001021010530.02480560@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 01:10:02 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Drive knocking In-Reply-To: <000201c03afa$e5264760$4bff2e3f@oemcomputer> References: <008201c03ae1$88af0d00$6b02303f@oemcomputer> <39F0D641.D7B2EF0B@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: The 6G drive in my 1480i does a knocking noise every 5 - 20 minutes or so. I think its doing it less now that its almost a year old. It's a recalibrate operation they're doing. Some of the older travelstars do it a lot. The 6G disks do it a lot too. I'd be annoyed with my 6G disk, except it doesn't whine like the 4G disk on my 1451i. That disk is merrily singing along once again, after having been replaced for this a year ago. The danger sign is when a bunch of recalibrates occur all in a row. Thats a sure sign that you want to back up all the data and wait for the End. Every five minutes is normal for some disks, if annoying. --STeve Andre At 07:31 PM 10/20/00 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >Well its a drive in a computer I got from one of my suppliers. It just has >a knock every five minutes or so. I can feel it in the palmrest faintly. I >have just had the machine a day, I think it's knocked a dozen or so times. >Doesn't affect operation at all. > > >Booger > >http://communities.msn.com/CyberboogersFunThinkpads > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill Morrow >To: Brad Burean >Cc: Thinkpad Users >Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 6:33 PM >Subject: Re: Drive knocking > > > > Someone is trying to get OUT..! :-) > > > > ok, reality.. > > is this a new behaviour or has it been going on for some time.. > > > > describe "knocking" ? > > > > > > Brad Burean wrote: > > > > > I've got a 2.1 gig drive that occasionally knocks. Not real loud but > > > noticable. Ran scandisk w/surface check, and defragged, still getting >the > > > knock. Running w98se Any ideas? Can painting fix this? > > > > > > Booger > > > > > > http://communities.msn.com/CyberboogersFunThinkpads > > > > -- > > --- > > > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > > sic transit gloria > > > > From cph Sat Oct 21 12:35:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA27936 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:35:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21087; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:31:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20732; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9507.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20702; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9507.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.129.21 -> web9507.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:31:34 -0400 Message-ID: <20001021163132.47740.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.221.61.56] by web9507.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 09:31:32 PDT Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 09:31:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Drive knocking To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Yes, but most drive makers have their own specific testing programs that have a write option. This will usually overwrite anything on the drive, restore sectors that are marked bad, etc. --- Ray Bay wrote: > They DO NOT like to be low level formatted. > > Ray ===== Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! That is, when it's not DOWN! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Sat Oct 21 12:36:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA27940 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:36:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21496; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:34:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21051; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21034; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:34:12 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip129-37-224-124.mo.us.prserv.net [129.37.224.124]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9LGY2030914; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 09:34:03 -0700 Message-ID: <39F1C570.A0667814@mail.orion.org> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 11:33:52 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steve C." CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Drive knocking References: <20001021163132.47740.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: "Steve C." wrote: > > Yes, but most drive makers have their own specific > testing programs that have a write option. This will > usually overwrite anything on the drive, restore > sectors that are marked bad, etc. > > --- Ray Bay wrote: > > They DO NOT like to be low level formatted. Any idea if there is anything like this for TP drives? More specifically, the 2.1GB in the 560-series? Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Sat Oct 21 12:54:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA28004 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:54:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23252; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:51:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23016; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23003; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.241.84 -> f84.law8.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:51:36 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 09:51:35 -0700 Received: from 198.111.128.172 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:51:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.111.128.172] From: "jon w" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: subscribe Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:51:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2000 16:51:35.0045 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BF0A350:01C03B7F] List-Unsubscribe: subscribe me to the thinkpad user list please. thank you _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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From cph Sat Oct 21 17:08:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA28968 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:08:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08735; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:04:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08227; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb.iu.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08213; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb.iu.net (198.69.25.2 -> bb.iu.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:04:29 -0400 Received: from hpcustomer (max-roc11-10.digital.net [204.215.230.10]) by bb.iu.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA02509; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002b01c03bbb$1295bc60$0ae6d7cc@hpcustomer> From: "Guy Pelchat" To: "James H. E. Maugham" , , "Rob Bell" References: <19991203161634.7176.qmail@www0l.netaddress.usa.net> <0bfe01bf3daf$aa38bf00$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> Subject: Re: 760ED problems resolved Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:55:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Would you be kind enough to let me know how I can rejoin this IBM mailing list. Many thanks Guy Pelchat From cph Sat Oct 21 22:24:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA30059 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 22:24:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28651; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 22:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 21 Oct 2000 22:19:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28293; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 22:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ficus.frogspace.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28218; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 22:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ficus.frogspace.net (64.6.237.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 21 Oct 2000 22:19:43 -0400 Received: from [209.105.53.112] (helo=yar) by ficus.frogspace.net with smtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 13nAjW-0007vf-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 22:19:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c03bce$a29d6660$0109790a@yar> From: "Code0 Networks" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: [TP730T] How to use PenDOS on your ThinkPad. Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:20:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: After much work, I got PenDOS to work on my ThinkPad. Here's what I did. 1. Installed PC-DOS (I used ver 6.1) 2. For the tablet type, select ThinkPad 710 3. After PenDOS is installed, download the system disk for the TP730T and run IBMDFE.EXE before you run PENDOS.BAT (or add it to the top of PENDOS.BAT) Hope this helps! Jonathan From cph Sun Oct 22 02:56:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA30939 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 02:56:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12972; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 02:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 02:52:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12698; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 02:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailcore2.oh.voyager.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12685; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 02:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailcore2.oh.voyager.net (207.90.100.13 -> mailcore2.oh.voyager.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 02:52:33 -0400 Received: from daveb (d342.as0.clmb.oh.voyager.net [216.127.3.214]) by mailcore2.oh.voyager.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA21091 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 02:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Dave W. Beauvais" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Great deal on bag Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 02:52:27 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Apologies for posting an "advertisement," but in case anyone is looking for a nice "sporty" bag for their ThinkPad or other notebook, "brick-and-mortar" CompUSA has a great deal on the Kensington TripleTreks bag. It's listed on the shelf as "Kens Promo Triple" and sells for $19.99. As I recall, this is almost $50 cheaper than it originally sold for. I asked someone to look it up to make sure that was the correct price and he said "damn, that's cheap!" after looking at the screen. Since this bag is no longer listed on Kensington's Web site, I assume they're trying to get rid of excess stock. There's plenty of room inside for adapters, cables, books, paper, magazines, etc. Depending on how light you travel, there may even be room for a change of clothes. It includes a water bottle that can be carried in a mesh pocket outside the bag. When not in use, the pocket can be tucked inside and zipped out of the way. If you have the chance to get to a CompUSA, I think this is a great deal. I already have a couple bags of different size which I use depending on where I'm going and how many accessories I have to carry, but this bag was too nice to pass up at $19.99. It's a little large for everyday use between home and office, but would be great for trips where you have to carry "the works." Dave From cph Sun Oct 22 03:33:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA31044 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 03:33:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15734; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 03:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 03:30:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15472; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 03:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15459; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 03:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 03:30:27 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-329.gate.net [199.227.131.138]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA116042; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 03:30:15 -0400 Message-ID: <39F297C3.E9AFC2CF@gate.net> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 03:31:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Guy Pelchat CC: "James H. E. Maugham" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, Rob Bell Subject: Re: 760ED problems resolved References: <19991203161634.7176.qmail@www0l.netaddress.usa.net> <0bfe01bf3daf$aa38bf00$5e088ac6@JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M> <002b01c03bbb$1295bc60$0ae6d7cc@hpcustomer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: info is in the full header.. thus: mailto:thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu?Subject=unsubscribe or subscribe, as needed.. Guy Pelchat wrote: > Would you be kind enough to let me know how I can rejoin this IBM mailing > list. > > Many thanks > > Guy Pelchat -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sun Oct 22 04:37:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA31278 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 04:37:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20023; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 04:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 04:33:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19735; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 04:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19722; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 04:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 04:32:59 -0400 Received: from 17.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.171.17]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001022083257.NRMB20126.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@17.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 08:32:57 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TPall] RAM sale Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 08:32:59 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39f2a496.29995128@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA31279 A friend just e-mailed me to gloat (since I bought mine a few weeks ago) and I thought I'd pass it on in case some of you are interested. First Source is selling 128MB 144-pin SDRAM SO-DIMMs for $88.13. These are 100Mhz Simple Technology chips, so they'll work in models with a 100Mhz or 66Mhz bus speed. I think these are pretty much the standard chip for IBM nowadays - I know they work in all of the 600 and 240 models. Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Sun Oct 22 12:34:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA10530 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:34:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16770; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:32:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16438; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16422; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (198.144.205.90 -> m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:32:03 -0400 Received: from 172.16.74.1 by NewPad ([172.16.74.1] running VPOP3) with ESMTP; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:31:58 -0700 From: "Michael Geary" To: , Subject: RE: [TPall] RAM sale Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:31:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <39f2a496.29995128@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Server: VPOP3 V1.4.0b - Registered List-Unsubscribe: > A friend just e-mailed me to gloat (since I bought mine a few weeks > ago) and I thought I'd pass it on in case some of you are interested. > First Source is selling 128MB 144-pin SDRAM SO-DIMMs for $88.13. These > are 100Mhz Simple Technology chips, so they'll work in models with a > 100Mhz or 66Mhz bus speed. I think these are pretty much the standard > chip for IBM nowadays - I know they work in all of the 600 and 240 > models. I wouldn't count on a 100MHz SODIMM working reliably in a 66MHz bus ThinkPad 600. I tried a 64Mb part pulled out of Compaq in my TP600. In one of the two slots, it was recognized correctly and passed memory tests. In the other slot, it was recognized as a 32Mb part!! I'm pretty sure I've seen other reports of odd behavior with 100MHz memory in a 66MHz bus ThinkPad, but I don't remember the details. Sounds like a great deal for newer ThinkPads, though. -Mike From cph Sun Oct 22 16:45:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA11600 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:45:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04713; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:41:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04339; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04326; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (209.228.12.73 -> c014-h009.c014.sfo.cp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:41:32 -0400 Received: (cpmta 17921 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2000 13:41:30 -0700 Date: 22 Oct 2000 13:41:30 -0700 Message-ID: <20001022204130.17920.cpmta@c014.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 22 Oct 2000 20:41:30 GMT Received: from [64.188.101.221] by mail.flashcom.net with HTTP; 22 Oct 2000 13:41:30 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: emanuel@brown.org From: thomas franklin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: [TPall] RAM sale List-Unsubscribe: Maybe we missed the deal. I just checked and the price I found was double that. See: On Sun, 22 October 2000, Emanuel Brown wrote: > A friend just e-mailed me to gloat (since I bought mine a few weeks > ago) and I thought I'd pass it on in case some of you are interested. > First Source is selling 128MB 144-pin SDRAM SO-DIMMs for $88.13. These > are 100Mhz Simple Technology chips, so they'll work in models with a > 100Mhz or 66Mhz bus speed. I think these are pretty much the standard > chip for IBM nowadays - I know they work in all of the 600 and 240 > models. From cph Sun Oct 22 16:58:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA11654 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:58:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06271; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:56:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05828; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05815; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:56:38 -0400 Received: from 28.chicago-08-09rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.151.28]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001022205636.IQYR5059.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@28.chicago-08-09rs.il.dial-access.att.net>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:56:36 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: , franklin@flashcom.net, jwallace2@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [TPall] RAM sale Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:56:40 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39f4513b.18081295@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA11655 On Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:31:58 -0700, you wrote: >> A friend just e-mailed me to gloat (since I bought mine a few weeks >> ago) and I thought I'd pass it on in case some of you are interested. >> First Source is selling 128MB 144-pin SDRAM SO-DIMMs for $88.13. These >> are 100Mhz Simple Technology chips, so they'll work in models with a >> 100Mhz or 66Mhz bus speed. I think these are pretty much the standard >> chip for IBM nowadays - I know they work in all of the 600 and 240 >> models. > >I wouldn't count on a 100MHz SODIMM working reliably in a 66MHz bus ThinkPad >600. I tried a 64Mb part pulled out of Compaq in my TP600. In one of the two >slots, it was recognized correctly and passed memory tests. In the other >slot, it was recognized as a 32Mb part!! > >I'm pretty sure I've seen other reports of odd behavior with 100MHz memory >in a 66MHz bus ThinkPad, but I don't remember the details. > >Sounds like a great deal for newer ThinkPads, though. > I'd always read that 100Mhz chips simply would run at 66Mhz in a slower system. For myself, my 600E has two 100Mhz chips purchased from Crucial and it passed the memory test and hasn't given me any trouble at all. I did it in case I ever decide to move up to a 600X, since I could move the RAM up with me. And for the people that haven't found the site, the direct link is http://www.firstsource.com/gen/search/sap.asp?OrderSourceId=12&ProdID=1640711. If you try and look for Thinkpad RAM, you'll miss it. They see you with a Thinkpad and double the price, and experience I have when shopping for car parts :-) They had 570 pieces last time I checked. For those of you so primitive as to use your phone lines for calling actual people, the number is 800-858-9866, part #SVM-100/128S. Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Sun Oct 22 18:37:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA12118 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:37:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13472; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:33:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13074; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13059; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:33:37 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-34.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.139]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id e9MMXRM29124; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:33:27 -0400 From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: Cc: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: [TPall] RAM sale Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:40:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39f4513b.18081295@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Emanuel Brown [mailto:epbrown01@att.net] wrote: > I'd always read that 100Mhz chips simply would run at 66Mhz in a > slower system. For myself, my 600E has two 100Mhz chips purchased from > Crucial and it passed the memory test and hasn't given me any trouble > at all. I did it in case I ever decide to move up to a 600X, since I > could move the RAM up with me. It's been my experience that, with some minor exceptions with some old Compaqs, there's no real problem with putting 100MHz chips in a 66MHz machine. The Crucial chips in both my 600 and 600E are 100MHz. The chips just seem to basically clock down until they match the system architecture. Of course the opposite, putting 66MHz chips in a 100MHz system, doesn't work. > "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; > most people settle for the car." Chris Titus > 1983 911 SC Which my '70 Elan SE will leave in the dust! (As long as I get to pick the road!) ;-) Regards, James From cph Sun Oct 22 18:55:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA12206 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:55:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14992; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:51:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14654; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14640; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:51:35 -0400 Received: from p3-1ghz (client-151-204-210-46.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.46]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA10467 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001022184939.02bd5580@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:52:53 -0400 To: "Thinkpad List" From: Mark Bell Subject: RE: [TPall] RAM sale In-Reply-To: References: <39f4513b.18081295@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 06:40 PM 10/22/00 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: >Emanuel Brown [mailto:epbrown01@att.net] wrote: > > > I'd always read that 100Mhz chips simply would run at 66Mhz in a > > slower system. For myself, my 600E has two 100Mhz chips purchased from > > Crucial and it passed the memory test and hasn't given me any trouble > > at all. I did it in case I ever decide to move up to a 600X, since I > > could move the RAM up with me. > >It's been my experience that, with some minor exceptions with some old >Compaqs, >there's no real problem with putting 100MHz chips in a 66MHz machine. The >Crucial chips in both my 600 and 600E are 100MHz. The chips just seem to >basically clock down until they match the system architecture. > >Of course the opposite, putting 66MHz chips in a 100MHz system, doesn't work. I tried putting a few Kingston Tp/390x 100mhz 128meg parts (also spec'd for the 600x series @ 100mhz FSB) in a 770z and e (66mhz FSB) and they did not work nor were they recognized. A crucial spec'd piece worked fine in the 770z and even an x. I guess it is finding the right manufacturer? Mark From cph Sun Oct 22 20:36:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA12597 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:36:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23022; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:32:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22699; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9506.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22684; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9506.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.129.20 -> web9506.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:32:37 -0400 Message-ID: <20001023003236.18361.qmail@web9506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.221.61.56] by web9506.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:32:36 PDT Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:32:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: RE: [TPall] RAM sale To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Maybe the problem wasn't the speed but the fact that you got the SODIMM out of a Compaq? It couldn't have been the correct type. --- Michael Geary wrote: > I wouldn't count on a 100MHz SODIMM working reliably > in a 66MHz bus ThinkPad > 600. I tried a 64Mb part pulled out of Compaq in my > TP600. In one of the two > slots, it was recognized correctly and passed memory > tests. In the other > slot, it was recognized as a 32Mb part!! > > I'm pretty sure I've seen other reports of odd > behavior with 100MHz memory > in a 66MHz bus ThinkPad, but I don't remember the > details. > > Sounds like a great deal for newer ThinkPads, > though. > > -Mike > ===== Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! That is, when it's not DOWN! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun Oct 22 20:51:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA12680 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:51:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24490; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:47:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24294; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24278; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (207.254.7.52 -> ppp7-52.neta.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:47:30 -0400 Received: (from jones@localhost) by box3.pyrrhusoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id RAA28432; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:45:47 -0700 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:45:47 -0700 Message-Id: <200010230045.RAA28432@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> From: David Jones To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP240] Which Win OS? List-Unsubscribe: Hello 240 people: I have finally got around to (re)loading my wife's TP240. She needs a Win OS on it. I have the Win98 restoration CD. So my choices are: 95, 98, NT 4.0, and NT 5.0 (aka Windows 2000). My question is which of these OS's are best for the 240; i.e., fastest, most reliable, and support all the hardware features? Thanks, David Jones From cph Sun Oct 22 20:59:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA12698 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:59:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25451; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:55:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25196; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25181; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243 -> maynard.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:55:47 -0400 Received: from desktop (user-37ka2hr.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.10.59]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA12560 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005f01c03c88$b3553ae0$3b0a45cf@desktop> From: "Allan Ballard" To: Subject: Re: [TPall] RAM sale Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:32:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: RAM is great - the more the better. But why are Thinkpads so chintzy on L1 cache memory? I like a good solid one Mb for a desktop; is there a problem with this for a TP? Believe me, it makes a tremendous difference for 32 bit systems. -----Original Message----- From: Steve C. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, October 22, 2000 8:34 PM Subject: RE: [TPall] RAM sale >Maybe the problem wasn't the speed but the fact that >you got the SODIMM out of a Compaq? It couldn't have >been the correct type. > >--- Michael Geary wrote: >> I wouldn't count on a 100MHz SODIMM working reliably >> in a 66MHz bus ThinkPad >> 600. I tried a 64Mb part pulled out of Compaq in my >> TP600. In one of the two >> slots, it was recognized correctly and passed memory >> tests. In the other >> slot, it was recognized as a 32Mb part!! >> >> I'm pretty sure I've seen other reports of odd >> behavior with 100MHz memory >> in a 66MHz bus ThinkPad, but I don't remember the >> details. >> >> Sounds like a great deal for newer ThinkPads, >> though. >> >> -Mike >> > > >===== >Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! That is, when it's not DOWN! My old phone modem was faster! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. >http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun Oct 22 21:51:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA12927 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:51:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29979; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:46:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29704; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29689; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:46:39 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.48.6.146 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:47:20 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c03c93$398ee8e0$9206303f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: 560 parts Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:47:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: 16 megs of Ram $30.00 16 megs of Ram $30.00 12.1 TFT Display (very clean) $75.00 12.1 TFT Display (very clean) $75.00 ThinkPad 380/560 Port Replicator $15.00 Here is some leftovers from a auction. These parts are NOT mine, you can reach the guy at: Bryan.Schenke@hydro.com FYI only! Booger http://communities.msn.com/CyberboogersFunThinkpads From cph Sun Oct 22 22:19:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA13025 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:19:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01509; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:16:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01339; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot11.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01320; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot11.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.31 -> pilot11.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:16:05 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm456-44.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.102]) by pilot11.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e9N2G2t47466 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:16:02 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001022221307.01febc30@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:16:14 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: [TP240] Which Win OS? In-Reply-To: <200010230045.RAA28432@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: After playing with Win2000 on high-end equipment for a while, I think it's very much the best of the bunch of the lot. Win2000 doesn't crash very often, and basically works. I'm going to be upgrading my users, mostly running Win95, to Win2000. Forget Win ME--its garbage. Now, having said that, I don't know if all the drivers and such are available for the 240, so perhaps it isn't an option right now. If it isn't, I'd stick with good old Windows 95. --STeve Andre' At 05:45 PM 10/22/00 -0700, David Jones wrote: >Hello 240 people: > > I have finally got around to (re)loading my wife's TP240. She >needs a Win OS on it. I have the Win98 restoration CD. So my choices >are: 95, 98, NT 4.0, and NT 5.0 (aka Windows 2000). My question is >which of these OS's are best for the 240; i.e., fastest, most >reliable, and support all the hardware features? > >Thanks, >David Jones From cph Sun Oct 22 22:47:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA13171 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:47:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03207; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:43:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02846; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02820; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010230243.WAA02820@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:43:13 -0400 Received: from slip-129-37-99-42.tx.us.prserv.net ([129.37.99.42]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000102302430420401mtsive>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 02:43:05 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "OS2-L@NIC.SURFNET.NL" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Cc: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Date: Sun, 22 Oct 00 22:42:03 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Thinkpad 600E CD ROM driver for OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: The system is now running but I can find no CD-ROM driver on the IBM 600E device driver file matrix site. Does this mean the CD ROM can't be run under OS/2? This will be a problem, since I now can't do selective installs! There must be a solution. Send good news. Jeffrey Race From cph Sun Oct 22 23:05:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA13260 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:05:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05668; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:59:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04681; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04667; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010230259.WAA04667@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.32 -> out2.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:59:16 -0400 Received: from slip-32-100-55-4.ma.us.prserv.net ([32.100.55.4]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2000102302591220203dri5oe>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 02:59:14 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "OS2-L@NIC.SURFNET.NL" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" , "discussion@possi.org" Cc: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Date: Sun, 22 Oct 00 22:58:11 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: More problems on 600E OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: Except for the lack of CD-ROM support, OS/2 seems to be working. However Win-OS/2 fails "Progman caused a GPF in module CWBAUDI3.DRV" etc. If I try a DOS window, C:\>WIN the session hangs at an empty white box If I try a DOS FSS, C:\>WIN, error is "PRINTMAN caused a GPF" and when click through that, I get "Cannot find SHELL.DLL" I have loaded OS/2 on many Thinkpads before and never run into this. Ideas? Jeffrey Race From cph Sun Oct 22 23:39:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA13752 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:39:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09456; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:34:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09113; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09071; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:34:39 -0400 Received: from 140.chicago-15-20rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.172.140]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001023033434.LPS23036.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@140.chicago-15-20rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:34:34 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP240] Which Win OS? Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:34:37 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39f4affd.42342665@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20001022221307.01febc30@pilot.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001022221307.01febc30@pilot.msu.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id XAA13753 On Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:16:14 -0400, you wrote: > I have finally got around to (re)loading my wife's TP240. She >needs a Win OS on it. I have the Win98 restoration CD. So my choices >are: 95, 98, NT 4.0, and NT 5.0 (aka Windows 2000). My question is >which of these OS's are best for the 240; i.e., fastest, most >reliable, and support all the hardware features? > From what I've read, W2K is your best bet if you've got the resources. I plan on upgrading my 240 and 600E this weekend, and it looks like the 240 is covered right out of the box. Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Mon Oct 23 00:54:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA14562 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:54:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17910; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:50:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17635; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zurich.ai.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17621; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zurich.ai.mit.edu (18.43.0.244 -> zurich.ai.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:50:27 -0400 Received: from flenser.ai.mit.edu (h0040100ce097.ne.mediaone.net [24.91.84.11]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA14544 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:50:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: zurich.ai.mit.edu: Host h0040100ce097.ne.mediaone.net [24.91.84.11] claimed to be flenser.ai.mit.edu Received: from cph by flenser.ai.mit.edu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13nZYP-00056a-00; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:49:45 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: changes to ThinkPad mailing-list archive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: IMAIL/1.5; Edwin/3.102; MIT-Scheme/7.5.10 Message-Id: From: Chris Hanson Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:49:45 -0400 List-Unsubscribe: As some of you may remember, I have been supporting an archive of this mailing list. Or more precisely, not supporting it, since it hasn't been updated since 1998. The archive has just moved to a new location: http://zurich.ai.mit.edu/hypermail/thinkpad/ I've updated it to cover all posts up to a few days ago. I've also cleared up some problems with the earliest posts to the list, so now it goes back to the beginning. This week I will hook it up so that it is automatically updated about once a day or so. Hopefully this will finally settle the issue and the archive will take care of itself. I've also changed the archive converter to hypermail, so the layout of the pages has changed somewhat. If you have any comments, complaints, or suggestions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Note that I no longer read the list, so you'll have to contact me directly. (The list volume is now so large I don't even want to scan the digest contents.) From cph Mon Oct 23 01:29:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA14763 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:29:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19852; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:25:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19689; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19676; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:25:33 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-211.gate.net [199.227.131.20]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12246; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:25:20 -0400 Message-ID: <39F3CBF7.7DB0DCA3@gate.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:26:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: emanuel@brown.org, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TPall] RAM sale References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i don't think its a 100mhz vs. 66mhz issue.. more likely the programming of the DIMM.. i think 100mhz memory is fine in anything up to a 100mhz buss.. kinda like 150MPH tires on a VW bus.. :-) Michael Geary wrote: > > A friend just e-mailed me to gloat (since I bought mine a few weeks > > ago) and I thought I'd pass it on in case some of you are interested. > > First Source is selling 128MB 144-pin SDRAM SO-DIMMs for $88.13. These > > are 100Mhz Simple Technology chips, so they'll work in models with a > > 100Mhz or 66Mhz bus speed. I think these are pretty much the standard > > chip for IBM nowadays - I know they work in all of the 600 and 240 > > models. > > I wouldn't count on a 100MHz SODIMM working reliably in a 66MHz bus ThinkPad > 600. I tried a 64Mb part pulled out of Compaq in my TP600. In one of the two > slots, it was recognized correctly and passed memory tests. In the other > slot, it was recognized as a 32Mb part!! > > I'm pretty sure I've seen other reports of odd behavior with 100MHz memory > in a 66MHz bus ThinkPad, but I don't remember the details. > > Sounds like a great deal for newer ThinkPads, though. > > -Mike -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Mon Oct 23 03:23:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA15208 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:23:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24530; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:17:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24131; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24116; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (194.29.192.20 -> netsonic.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:17:32 -0400 Received: from TP560X (letku107.adsl.netsonic.fi [194.29.195.107]) by nalle.netsonic.fi (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e9N7H4702314 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:17:04 +0300 Message-Id: <200010230717.e9N7H4702314@nalle.netsonic.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:17:04 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200010230243.WAA02820@cs.utk.edu> Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E CD ROM driver for OS/2 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 22 Oct 2000 at 10:42 PM you, "Dr. Jeffrey Race" , said: >The system is now running but I can find no CD-ROM driver on the IBM 600E >device driver file matrix site. Does this mean the CD ROM can't be run >under OS/2? This will be a problem, since I now can't do selective >installs! >There must be a solution. Send good news. Well, no need for a solution, since there's no problem to begin with: the built-in IDE CDROM is supported right out of the box. Even the DVD-drive is supported (as a CDROM). HTH, Dominique From cph Mon Oct 23 03:31:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA15246 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:31:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25269; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:27:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24958; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24943; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (194.29.192.20 -> netsonic.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:27:18 -0400 Received: from TP560X (letku107.adsl.netsonic.fi [194.29.195.107]) by nalle.netsonic.fi (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e9N7RG702738 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:27:16 +0300 Message-Id: <200010230727.e9N7RG702738@nalle.netsonic.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:27:16 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200010230259.WAA04667@cs.utk.edu> Subject: Re: More problems on 600E OS/2 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: Did you get and install (as per instructions) the audio features diskette at http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/BBOD-3HJL6Y.html? I can't say I have an extensive need for sound under Win-OS/2, but the stupid opening ta-da appears to work fine on my TP600E. This is with Warp 4 and FP14. I have the following statements in CONFIG.SYS: BASEDEV=CWAUDIO.SYS /N:BSAUD1$ /X1:50 /X2:50 /LCAPT:X1X2 DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\CWVAUDIO.SYS BSAUD1$ DEVICE=C:\MMOS2\OPL3.SYS /P:388 /N:OPL31$ However, I tried to run Real Player 8 under ODIN (installed fine) and I got a TRAP for the audio driver when I attempted to play a .rm file. HTH, Dominique On Sun, 22 Oct 2000 at 10:58 PM you, "Dr. Jeffrey Race" , said: >Except for the lack of CD-ROM support, OS/2 seems to be working. However >Win-OS/2 fails "Progman caused a GPF in module CWBAUDI3.DRV" etc. >If I try a DOS window, C:\>WIN >the session hangs at an empty white box >If I try a DOS FSS, C:\>WIN, error is "PRINTMAN caused a GPF" and when >click through that, I get "Cannot find SHELL.DLL" >I have loaded OS/2 on many Thinkpads before and never run into this. >Ideas? >Jeffrey Race From cph Mon Oct 23 04:04:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA15342 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 04:04:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27228; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 04:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 04:01:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27011; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 04:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaae.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26998; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 04:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaae.compuserve.com (149.174.177.154 -> hs-img-5.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 04:01:44 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id EAA28507 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 04:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 04:01:20 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Ext FDD's generally Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200010230401_MC2-B809-210A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA15343 Hi I have a TP600X but no ext FDD - are there any around? Also, on same subject, which FDD units work with other models? Sadly I have an ext FDD for a 360X but that won't fit the 600... Thanks Mark UK From cph Mon Oct 23 04:14:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA15378 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 04:14:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28257; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 04:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 04:12:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28048; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 04:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28035; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 04:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 04:12:06 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a14.pm3-14.theriver.com [208.164.96.30]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93FE260BE; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:11:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39F3F324.4FCB0346@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:13:24 -0700 From: Ray Bay Organization: Canyonlands Publishing Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Jones Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP240] Which Win OS? References: <200010230045.RAA28432@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Windows 98 Second Edition is very good... Windows Millennium is slightly better but only for the multimedia and USB... Windows 2000 is really close to great with very few bugs but doesn't work with all software that 98 SE and ME do... So it boils down to what software she already owns and whether she is a minimum user... I don't think many people would use more than Windows 98 SE on a 240... Windows 2000 is near perfect but is overkill unless you have a lot of other equipment. I would focus on what your other computers use and work from there... From cph Mon Oct 23 06:56:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA16150 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 06:56:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08707; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 06:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 06:52:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08387; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 06:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08374; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 06:52:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 06:52:41 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a116.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.117]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA16761; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 06:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010231052.GAA16761@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a116.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.117] 209.198.113.117 Mon, 23 Oct 2000 06:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 06:24:05 -0400 To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200010230259.WAA04667@cs.utk.edu> Subject: Re: More problems on 600E OS/2 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 List-Unsubscribe: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" said: >Except for the lack of CD-ROM support, OS/2 seems to be working. However >Win-OS/2 fails "Progman caused a GPF in module CWBAUDI3.DRV" etc. >If I try a DOS window, C:\>WIN >the session hangs at an empty white box >If I try a DOS FSS, C:\>WIN, error is "PRINTMAN caused a GPF" and when click >through that, I get "Cannot find SHELL.DLL" >I have loaded OS/2 on many Thinkpads before and never run into this. Ideas? I have no idea what you are trying to do here, but why aren't you starting Win from the Windows icon (where the session settings can be set)? ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Oct 23 10:21:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA17374 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:21:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26378; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:18:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25904; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25832; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (194.75.152.224 -> doggy.lineone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:18:09 -0400 Received: from hicdbs (host212-140-8-117.btinternet.com [212.140.8.117]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA05608; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:17:53 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200010231417.PAA05608@scooby.lineone.net> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" , "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:22:55 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200010230259.WAA04667@cs.utk.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: More problems on 600E OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id KAA26378 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA17375 On Sun, 22 Oct 00 22:58:11 +0700, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote: >Except for the lack of CD-ROM support, OS/2 seems to be working. >However Win-OS/2 fails "Progman caused a GPF in module CWBAUDI3.DRV" >etc. >If I try a DOS window, C:\>WIN >the session hangs at an empty white box >If I try a DOS FSS, C:\>WIN, error is "PRINTMAN caused a GPF" and >when click through that, I get "Cannot find SHELL.DLL" >I have loaded OS/2 on many Thinkpads before and never run into this. >Ideas? The supplied IBM sound drivers for the 600's are just a modification of some old Crystal drivers from '98. They have a lot of bugs. The best thing to do is download the latest Crystal drivers from www.crystal.com and use those instead. Last updated about a month ago. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Oct 23 10:21:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA17389 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:21:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26370; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:18:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25838; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25821; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (194.75.152.224 -> doggy.lineone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:18:03 -0400 Received: from hicdbs (host212-140-8-117.btinternet.com [212.140.8.117]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA05588; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:17:52 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200010231417.PAA05588@scooby.lineone.net> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" , "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:17:38 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E CD ROM driver for OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id KAA26370 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA17392 On Sun, 22 Oct 00 22:42:03 +0700, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote: >The system is now running but I can find no CD-ROM driver on the >IBM 600E device driver file matrix site. Does this mean the >CD ROM can't be run under OS/2? This will be a problem, since >I now can't do selective installs! it doesn't need a specific driver for the cdrom, it uses a universal IDE driver which supports all IDE cdroms. Just download the latest Installation Disks from ddpak website and do your installation. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Oct 23 10:27:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA17473 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:27:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27676; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:24:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27324; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27289; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:24:17 -0400 Received: from ATREYU ([64.108.10.228]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with ESMTP id <20001023142407.BVCL21118.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@ATREYU> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:24:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:23:34 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.46d) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1691100275.20001023092334@falkor.chi.il.us> To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TPall] RAM sale In-reply-To: <005f01c03c88$b3553ae0$3b0a45cf@desktop> References: <005f01c03c88$b3553ae0$3b0a45cf@desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Sunday, October 22, 2000, 7:32:17 PM, Allan wrote: > But why are Thinkpads so chintzy on L1 cache memory? Umm, because that is the amount Intel puts onto the processor chip / module? Ron. From cph Mon Oct 23 10:28:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA17481 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:28:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28080; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:25:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27577; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27564; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (209.228.12.65 -> c014-h001.c014.sfo.cp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:25:46 -0400 Received: (cpmta 11307 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2000 07:25:34 -0700 Received: from slip-32-100-143-84.co.us.prserv.net (HELO thinkpad) (32.100.143.84) by smtp.flashcom.net (209.228.12.65) with SMTP; 23 Oct 2000 07:25:34 -0700 X-Sent: 23 Oct 2000 14:25:34 GMT Message-ID: <001b01c03cfd$0ddc2ea0$548f6420@thinkpad> From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Mark Gardiner" <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Cc: "ThinkPad List" References: <200010230401_MC2-B809-210A@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Ext FDD's generally Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 08:25:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: If your floppy is a IBM PN 10H4056, 59G7918, 05K8989, or 48G9896 you should be able to use cable PN 12J1711 to get it to work with your 600. You can order the cable directly from IBM. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Gardiner" <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: "thinkpad" Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 2:01 AM Subject: Ext FDD's generally Hi I have a TP600X but no ext FDD - are there any around? Also, on same subject, which FDD units work with other models? Sadly I have an ext FDD for a 360X but that won't fit the 600... Thanks Mark UK From cph Mon Oct 23 10:53:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA17614 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:53:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01625; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:48:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01284; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01258; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:48:47 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id JAA04865 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:48:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.185.103]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id JAA04860 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:48:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001023105126.018cd480@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:51:26 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Ext FDD's generally In-Reply-To: <200010230401_MC2-B809-210A@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:01 AM 10/23/2000 -0400, Mark Gardiner wrote: >I have a TP600X but no ext FDD - are there any around? Also, on same >subject, which FDD units work with other models? > As far I know any of the external floppy drives that have the cable as a separate part will work on any model as long as you can get the right cable combination. I have one from a 701 that I've used on a 365, 560, 760EL, 760XL, 600, 600E and T21 with two different cables (neither of which have a P/N stamped on it, unfortunately). From cph Mon Oct 23 10:57:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA17638 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:57:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02438; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:53:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02056; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c012.sfo.cp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01914; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c012.sfo.cp.net (209.228.12.165 -> c012-h017.c012.sfo.cp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:52:57 -0400 Received: (cpmta 24525 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2000 07:52:42 -0700 Date: 23 Oct 2000 07:52:42 -0700 Message-ID: <20001023145242.24523.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 23 Oct 2000 14:52:42 GMT Received: from [63.216.180.200] by mail.altavista.com with HTTP; 23 Oct 2000 07:52:41 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: georges X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: unsubscribe List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe _______________________________________________________________________ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html _______________________________________________________________________ From cph Mon Oct 23 12:33:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA18547 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:33:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14494; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:27:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13963; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13949; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.241.80 -> f80.law8.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:27:47 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:27:41 -0700 Received: from 198.111.128.46 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:27:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.111.128.46] From: "jon w" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: dell inspiron vs thinkpad Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:27:41 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2000 16:27:41.0463 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A48E270:01C03D0E] List-Unsubscribe: Time to get another computer :) dell inspiron 15" UXGA ~ $2300 Thinkpad T20 14" ~ $3000 I am using a 770e right now. Is it worth the extra money ?? I have been working with Dell laptops before other than the IBM keyboard feel, anything i need to be cautious of (dell) ?? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From cph Mon Oct 23 12:41:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA18627 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:41:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15738; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:36:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15349; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15326; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (141.213.75.21 -> srvr22.engin.umich.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:36:12 -0400 Received: from blue.engin.umich.edu (root@blue.engin.umich.edu [141.213.74.25]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17376 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (yuchenl@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blue.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA25575 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Jerry Lin cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP240] Which Win OS? In-Reply-To: <39F3F324.4FCB0346@theriver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Ray Bay wrote: > Windows 98 Second Edition is very good... Windows Millennium is > slightly better but only for the multimedia and USB... Windows 2000 is > really close to great with very few bugs but doesn't work with all > software that 98 SE and ME do... So it boils down to what software she > already owns and whether she is a minimum user... I don't think many > people would use more than Windows 98 SE on a 240... Windows 2000 is > near perfect but is overkill unless you have a lot of other equipment. > > I would focus on what your other computers use and work from there... > > Ray, do you recommend win2000 for TP T20? -Jerry From cph Mon Oct 23 13:53:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA19188 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:53:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26985; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:46:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26308; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26287; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (38.8.22.2 -> relay21.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:46:48 -0400 Received: from ntmail.doble.com ([204.215.186.11]) by relay21.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13nlgJ-0004d9-00; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:46:43 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:45:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'davewb0@yahoo.com'" , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: RE: Great deal on bag Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:45:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, This is the first deal mentioned on the list that I was able to find!!! I went out to the local CompUSA after lunch and snagged one (sans the water bottle). Cashier entered the sku twice (I believe due to the $49.99 price tag on the outside). Fortunately it came up 19.99 both times 8->. I would like to get another one to use as a "cable" bag for my audio cables. There seems to be room to put my mike cables, co2 converter box, etc. Thanks and 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com WB1HBU -----Original Message----- From: Dave W. Beauvais [mailto:davewb0@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 1:52 AM To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Great deal on bag Apologies for posting an "advertisement," but in case anyone is looking for a nice "sporty" bag for their ThinkPad or other notebook, "brick-and-mortar" CompUSA has a great deal on the Kensington TripleTreks bag. It's listed on the shelf as "Kens Promo Triple" and sells for $19.99. As I recall, this is almost $50 cheaper than it originally sold for. I asked someone to look it up to make sure that was the correct price and he said "damn, that's cheap!" after looking at the screen. From cph Mon Oct 23 14:19:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA19464 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:19:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00100; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:12:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29593; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29567; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (194.29.192.20 -> netsonic.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:12:46 -0400 Received: from TP560X (letku107.adsl.netsonic.fi [194.29.195.107]) by nalle.netsonic.fi (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e9NICZ718947 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:12:35 +0300 Message-Id: <200010231812.e9NICZ718947@nalle.netsonic.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:12:34 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200010231417.PAA05608@scooby.lineone.net> Subject: Re: More problems on 600E OS/2 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 at 11:22 AM you, "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" , said: >The supplied IBM sound drivers for the 600's are just a modification of >some old Crystal drivers from '98. They have a lot of bugs. >The best thing to do is download the latest Crystal drivers from >www.crystal.com and use those instead. Last updated about a month ago. Have you tried to run Real Player under ODIN with these drivers? That combination caused a trap on my TP600, with the audio drivers from IBM and Warp 4 / FP14. Do you think I'd get a better result with the drivers from Crystal? Thanks, Dominique From cph Mon Oct 23 14:30:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA19586 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:30:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02107; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:27:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01817; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01734; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:27:25 -0400 Received: by porkchop.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <47YD38DY>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:30:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'jon w'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: dell inspiron vs thinkpad Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:30:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C03D1F.4C20CD34" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03D1F.4C20CD34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In my opinion, the IBM is still built slightly better and I prefer the trackpoint. However, IBM has lost any edge they had on keyboards with the new T20/A20. Your 770 keyboard (and the 600 keyboard) is much better than the T20/A20's keyboard. Greg -----Original Message----- From: jon w [mailto:dxvolution@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 11:28 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: dell inspiron vs thinkpad Time to get another computer :) dell inspiron 15" UXGA ~ $2300 Thinkpad T20 14" ~ $3000 I am using a 770e right now. Is it worth the extra money ?? I have been working with Dell laptops before other than the IBM keyboard feel, anything i need to be cautious of (dell) ?? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03D1F.4C20CD34 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: dell inspiron vs thinkpad

In my opinion, the IBM is still built slightly better = and I prefer the trackpoint. However, IBM has lost any edge they had on = keyboards with the new T20/A20. Your 770 keyboard (and the 600 = keyboard) is much better than the T20/A20's keyboard.

Greg

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Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 11:28 AM
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Time to get another computer :)

dell inspiron 15" UXGA ~ $2300

Thinkpad T20 14" ~ $3000

I am using a 770e right now.

Is it worth the extra money ?? I have been working = with Dell laptops before
other than the IBM keyboard feel, anything i need to = be cautious of (dell)
??
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C03D1F.4C20CD34-- From cph Mon Oct 23 14:38:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA19669 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:38:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03114; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:33:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02770; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02757; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (194.75.152.224 -> doggy.lineone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:33:10 -0400 Received: from hicdbs (host212-140-109-9.btinternet.com [212.140.109.9]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA19676 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:33:02 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200010231833.TAA19676@scooby.lineone.net> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:48:13 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: More problems on 600E OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA03114 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA19670 On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:12:34 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >Have you tried to run Real Player under ODIN with these drivers? That >combination caused a trap on my TP600, with the audio drivers from IBM and >Warp 4 / FP14. Do you think I'd get a better result with the drivers from >Crystal? No i haven't tryed RealPlayer with odin, but i believe the new drivers from Crystal will help since they've corrected a lot of problems. If not, i will personally contact the guy who wrote the drivers and tell him about the problem. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Oct 23 15:56:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA20247 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:56:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12780; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:41:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10840; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10826; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:41:36 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.48.3.94 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:42:03 -0700 Message-ID: <00d301c03d29$5d0f2140$5e03303f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Parts needed Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:42:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Got a few parts needed to repair a dropped 560. Dual scan cover or lid. Memory cover, and a brightness adjustment slider. If you got any of these items please let me know. Booger http://communities.msn.com/CyberboogersFunThinkpads From cph Mon Oct 23 19:02:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA21792 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:02:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04089; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:58:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03660; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03646; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:57:57 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a9.pm3-22.theriver.com [208.164.96.169]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F5329208; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:18:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39F4B902.2C433555@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:17:38 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Langham Cc: "'jon w'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: dell inspiron vs thinkpad References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Wow, I just read two review which said the best thing about the T20/A20's was the keyboard... One was in computer resellers news... I'll find the other... I thought the T20 keyboard was excellent. But I haven't tried the 770. From cph Mon Oct 23 21:53:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA22865 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:53:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16881; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:49:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16602; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16580; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.147.1.143 -> chmls05.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:48:53 -0400 Received: from laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA23283 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:48:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: How to remove Trackpoint icon from system tray? Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:49:01 -0400 Message-ID: <005a01c03d5c$95252920$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I asked this question over a year ago, and received the correct answer. Now a friend has asked me how to do it, and I can't remember. So far as I can see, there is no checkbox anywhere for this. Thanks - Jeff From cph Mon Oct 23 22:15:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA22994 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:15:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18402; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:12:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18212; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18198; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:12:22 -0400 Received: from dwreid (tnt10-216-180-65-48.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.48]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e9O2CJ723459; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:12:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001901c03d5f$d6c9a2e0$3041b4d8@dwreid> From: "David Reid" To: "Jeffrey Baker" , References: <005a01c03d5c$95252920$0200a8c0@laptop> Subject: Re: How to remove Trackpoint icon from system tray? Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:07:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Jeff, If you're running 98 you can use MS Config utility to disable TrackPointSrv "daemon.exe" in the system start up section. Otherwise, I think you'd have to edit the "RUN" key in the registry HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run and remove the string to daemon.exe Do that at your own risk. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:49 PM Subject: How to remove Trackpoint icon from system tray? > I asked this question over a year ago, and received the correct answer. Now > a friend has asked me how to do it, and I can't remember. So far as I can > see, there is no checkbox anywhere for this. Thanks - Jeff > From cph Tue Oct 24 00:01:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA23496 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:01:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25932; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:55:25 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25527; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:55:25 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id XAA29023 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23110; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243 -> maynard.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:16:17 -0400 Received: from desktop (user-38ld19j.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.133.51]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA14817 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000f01c03d33$2fed9660$338556d1@desktop> From: "Allan Ballard" To: Subject: Re: [TPall] RAM sale Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:52:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: cllassic circular logic. -----Original Message----- From: Ronald W. Heiby To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [TPall] RAM sale >Sunday, October 22, 2000, 7:32:17 PM, Allan wrote: >> But why are Thinkpads so chintzy on L1 cache memory? > >Umm, because that is the amount Intel puts onto the processor chip / >module? > >Ron. > > From cph Tue Oct 24 01:40:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA23995 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:40:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03332; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:38:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03142; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03129; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:37:58 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-238.gate.net [207.36.212.238]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31344; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:37:47 -0400 Message-ID: <39F52066.A69547B6@gate.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:38:46 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: Ext FDD's generally References: <200010230401_MC2-B809-210A@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mark Gardiner wrote: > Hi > > I have a TP600X but no ext FDD - are there any around? Also, on same > subject, which FDD units work with other models? > Mark.. did you try the external floppy with a 560 and/or a 770 type external floppy cable.. ? > > Sadly I have an ext FDD for a 360X but that won't fit the 600... > > Thanks > > Mark > UK -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Tue Oct 24 01:47:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA24037 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:47:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03929; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:45:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03745; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03732; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:45:12 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-238.gate.net [207.36.212.238]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA06540; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:45:01 -0400 Message-ID: <39F52218.CD335AEF@gate.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:46:00 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jon w CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: dell inspiron vs thinkpad References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: sold a couple of DELL inspirion 7500's.. never got to open the box's, however.. i've been told that the DELL does not have the build quality.. take a look at a used A20p.. jon w wrote: > Time to get another computer :) > > dell inspiron 15" UXGA ~ $2300 > > Thinkpad T20 14" ~ $3000 > > I am using a 770e right now. > > Is it worth the extra money ?? I have been working with Dell laptops before > other than the IBM keyboard feel, anything i need to be cautious of (dell) > ?? > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Tue Oct 24 01:54:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA24076 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:54:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04641; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:52:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04423; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04410; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:52:35 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-238.gate.net [207.36.212.238]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA73510; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:52:12 -0400 Message-ID: <39F523C8.81EDFE9D@gate.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:53:12 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bay CC: Greg Langham , "'jon w'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: dell inspiron vs thinkpad References: <39F4B902.2C433555@theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: IMHO, 770, 600, T&A series are all excellent keyboards... the way that they are now mounted may not be as secure.. thus, like the 760, a keyboard without the mass of the computer immediately under the keyboard, the feel is a bit less firm.. Ray Bay wrote: > Wow, I just read two review which said the best thing about the > T20/A20's was the keyboard... One was in computer resellers news... > I'll find the other... > > I thought the T20 keyboard was excellent. But I haven't tried the 770. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Tue Oct 24 01:59:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA24105 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:59:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05286; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:57:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05038; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot22.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05024; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot22.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.42 -> pilot22.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:57:08 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm659-10.dialip.mich.net [198.110.17.116]) by pilot22.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e9O5v6Q62238 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:57:06 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001024015403.026e7c40@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:57:32 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: dell inspiron vs thinkpad In-Reply-To: <39F52218.CD335AEF@gate.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I've heard that too about the Inspiron's. I have two of them which I never see except for things like memory upgrades. These are 7000's, but from what I saw of them they were VERY well built. Perhaps it was a fluke, but the 7000's are decent. Can't speak for the other Inspirons. I'd like to get a used A20p; they're definitely built nicely. All in all I think I'd choose the ThinkPad. STeve Andre' At 01:46 AM 10/24/00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >sold a couple of DELL inspirion 7500's.. >never got to open the box's, however.. >i've been told that the DELL does not have the build quality.. > >take a look at a used A20p.. > >jon w wrote: > > > Time to get another computer :) > > > > dell inspiron 15" UXGA ~ $2300 > > > > Thinkpad T20 14" ~ $3000 > > > > I am using a 770e right now. > > > > Is it worth the extra money ?? I have been working with Dell laptops before > > other than the IBM keyboard feel, anything i need to be cautious of (dell) > > ?? > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > >-- >--- > >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net >open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? >sic transit gloria From cph Tue Oct 24 09:31:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA26313 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:31:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02062; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:28:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01709; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01678; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:28:36 -0400 Received: by porkchop.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <47YD38P3>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:31:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'Ray Bay'" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: dell inspiron vs thinkpad Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:31:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C03DBE.B93C3468" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03DBE.B93C3468 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The A20/T20 keyboard just doesn't strike me as having as much travel or as good a feel to me (subjective stuff of course.) I support some 600's and 770's as well as my A20 and I personally seem to notice that the 600 and 770 keyboards feel better. That being said, the A20 keyboard is OK, it just isn't great IMHO. However, the trackpoint is still the best pointing device and reason enough for me to stay with an IBM. Note: I know the Dell 3700/3800/Latitude series have a Trackpoint, but it's not as finely tuned as the IBM and the button placement is poor compared to the IBM. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Ray Bay [mailto:canyonlands@theriver.com] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 5:18 PM To: Greg Langham Cc: 'jon w'; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: dell inspiron vs thinkpad Wow, I just read two review which said the best thing about the T20/A20's was the keyboard... One was in computer resellers news... I'll find the other... I thought the T20 keyboard was excellent. But I haven't tried the 770. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03DBE.B93C3468 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: dell inspiron vs thinkpad

The A20/T20 keyboard just doesn't strike me as having = as much travel or as good a feel to me (subjective stuff of course.) =

I support some 600's and 770's as well as my A20 and = I personally seem to notice that the 600 and 770 keyboards feel = better.

That being said, the A20 keyboard is OK, it just = isn't great IMHO. However, the trackpoint is still the best pointing = device and reason enough for me to stay with an IBM.

Note: I know the Dell 3700/3800/Latitude series have = a Trackpoint, but it's not as finely tuned as the IBM and the button = placement is poor compared to the IBM.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Bay [mailto:canyonlands@theriver.com= ]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 5:18 PM
To: Greg Langham
Cc: 'jon w'; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: dell inspiron vs thinkpad


Wow, I just read two review which said the best thing = about the
T20/A20's was the keyboard... One was in computer = resellers news...
I'll find the other...

I thought the T20 keyboard was excellent. But I = haven't tried the 770.

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Ferguson" , "Greg Langham \(E-mail\)" , "John Hug \(E-mail\)From: sentto-1138295-4393-971716609-jmj=efta.be@returns.onelist.com"@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <06ee140221710a0BTBNTSYS2@212.8.180.2> Date: 16 Oct 2000 19:22:41 +0200 List-Unsubscribe: " , "Ken Whelan \(E-mail\)" , "Peter Harkins \(E-mail\)" , "Willard L. Bratton Jr. \(E-mail\)" Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal From: "Robert W. King" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list outlook-users@egroups.com; contact outlook-users-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list outlook-users@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:08:20 -0600 Reply-To: outlook-users@egroups.com Subject: Email messages lost Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks! This is embarrassing to admit, but I appear to have lost about four or five months worth of email messages from my Hold folder last night. I still haven't figured out the details of what happened. It appears the folder contents were deleted as I exited my email program. I received no indication of any problem at the time This would all be merely inconvenient and annoying except for the fact that that I then updated my backup copies of my message archive before becoming aware of the loss.. Mind you, I'm a 'belt and suspenders' kind of guy when it comes to maintaining my email archives. I have messages that date back twenty years in that database and I've gone to some lengths to retain them. I keep synchronized working copies of the archive on both my desktop and my laptop machines and I regularly update two complete sets of copies on different hard drives on my desktop machine. In addition, at longer intervals, I write a copy to CD-ROM. In the present instance, I seem to have lost the contents - about 4000 to 5000 messages from my Hold folder. That's the folder where I have been collecting genealogically oriented messages both sent and received from the archive with a view to wading through them one message at a time and acting upon them as needed - updating my genealogical database, corresponding with the sender, updating my address book, what-have-you. We won't discuss the number of man-hours I've expended in the last month wading through my entire database of approximately a hundred thousand messages to identify those messages and move them to the Hold folder for more considered review and action. I can go to my CD-ROM to recover all the more dated messages. The problem is that the CD-ROM was last written in June. That means that all the genealogically oriented messages (naturally the ones I least wanted lose!) since June have gone to that great bit-bucket in the sky where all good little bits and bytes go when they die. Just coincidentally, it also appears that I have suddenly acquired some problems with the hard drive on my laptop - the machine where I was working when the folder contents 'went away.' I've been running Norton Disk Doctor on it, but there appears to be some kind of problem with the directory structure and possibly the fat table on the C: partition. That's computer-speak for "I may have to re-format that entire drive and start over - meaning re-install Windows, re-install all my software, copy several gigabytes of data files from across the network, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera." In the interim, whilst I'm diagnosing, repairing and what-not, I call upon the goodness of your hearts to retransmit any messages you sent to me or that I sent to you between 1 Jun 2000 and 15 Oct 2000. I realize that most of you are not compulsive email collectors like I am, but please check your folders for me. Your Sent folder will probably retain any messages you sent to me and the Deleted folder may contain any messages from me - assuming you are not one of those folks that habitually deletes the contents of those folders before exiting your email program. -- Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086 InterNet: robert@wildweasel.net http://www.wildweasel.net To unsubscribe, send a message to outlook-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com. To switch to a web or digest subscription, visit http://www.egroups.com/group/outlook-users/ From cph Tue Oct 24 10:12:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA26494 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:12:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06337; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:09:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06049; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout3-0.nyroc.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06024; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout3-0.nyroc.rr.com (24.92.226.168 -> mailout3-1.nyroc.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:09:17 -0400 Received: from mail3.stny.rr.com (mail3-1 [24.92.226.134]) by mailout3-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17491 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jeff-s-thinkpad.potsdam.edu ([24.169.75.195]) by mail3.stny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-53939U80000L80000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:05:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001024100458.00aa92d0@mail.potsdam.edu> X-Sender: hatton64@mail.potsdam.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:09:37 +0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jeff Hatton Subject: Re: dell inspiron vs thinkpad In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: > >I work tech support at a collage and in the process of my job many >different notebooks come through my office. the only ones that ever >strike either myself, or the other people in the office as nice machines, >both to work on, and in terms of how well they are built, are the >thinkpads and the newer model dell inspiration laptops. I find them to >both be comprable machines in all areas that aren't up to the users >personal preferance. So basically it comes down to how you want your >keyboard to feel and the trackpoint etc... that makes the difference. >Time to get another computer :) > >dell inspiron 15" UXGA ~ $2300 > >Thinkpad T20 14" ~ $3000 > >I am using a 770e right now. > >Is it worth the extra money ?? I have been working with Dell laptops >before other than the IBM keyboard feel, anything i need to be cautious of >(dell) ?? >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > Jeff Hatton Hatton64@potsdam.edu (607)760-0791 From cph Tue Oct 24 13:38:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA29538 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:38:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01344; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:34:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00861; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zurich.ai.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00845; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zurich.ai.mit.edu (18.43.0.244 -> zurich.ai.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:34:14 -0400 Received: from aarau.ai.mit.edu (aarau.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.155]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA29454 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:34:13 -0400 Received: from cph by aarau.ai.mit.edu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13o7xl-0006nm-00; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:34:13 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad mailing-list archive now updates automatically MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: IMAIL/1.5; Edwin/3.102; MIT-Scheme/7.5.10 Message-Id: From: Chris Hanson Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:34:13 -0400 List-Unsubscribe: I've just finished implementing automatic update for the mailing-list archive web page. The update runs once an hour (maybe that's too often?). It is up to date as of now and should remain that way from now on. Please let me know if you notice any problems with this. FYI, the web page for the archive is http://zurich.ai.mit.edu/hypermail/thinkpad/ As before, comments, problems, etc. directly to my attention. From cph Tue Oct 24 14:35:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA30304 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:35:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08397; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:30:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08038; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08004; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:30:19 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p40.hwts17.loop.net [207.211.63.85]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA58070 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010241827.LAA58070@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:33:38 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Battery Lady List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:48:10 -0400, Mike Capone wrote: > >Anyone here have the number for the lady that >repacks batteries? I need some old NIMH batteries >redone.... > I think it's nicdlady@nicdlady.com From cph Tue Oct 24 14:39:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA30337 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:39:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09219; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:34:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08757; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08606; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:33:57 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p40.hwts17.loop.net [207.211.63.85]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA58254; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010241831.LAA58254@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Cottrell, Eric" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:37:18 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: The $50 Thinkpad List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:57:22 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: Just a quick note on this - at the TRW computer swap meet (for SoCal people, meets the last Saturday of each month), I got a 701C for 25 bucks (almost new, except a crack in the hinge and broken LCD) which I use for a Linux box, and a 755C (used, had no parts), both from different vendors for $25. Turned out to be a deal, the 755C now has 36MB of RAM and 2.1GB HD. And they both work great. It's amazing what deals you can find there for so little money (if you know where/what to look for). Time for everyone to buy a 730T/TE and put the ThinkPad Assistant on it locally. =) From cph Tue Oct 24 17:51:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA32251 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:51:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03911; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:41:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02812; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02796; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:41:22 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a43.pm3-14.theriver.com [208.164.96.59]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586B72785B; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:26:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39F5FE43.20C36261@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:25:23 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: penzance@gate.net Cc: jon w , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: dell inspiron vs thinkpad References: <39F52218.CD335AEF@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The Dell Inspirons don't have the build quality, but the Latitudes are much better built... Service is also very very good if something goes bad... there is just nothing like owning a Thinkpad though... and over time the Thinkpad holds its value much better at trade-in or resale time. Ray Bayles From cph Tue Oct 24 18:05:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA32360 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:05:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05932; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:00:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05346; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05324; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:00:27 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (hausmitt-00-207.Stanford.EDU [128.12.69.80]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06498 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39F60680.57E539F3@stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:00:32 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: dell inspiron vs thinkpad References: <39F52218.CD335AEF@gate.net> <39F5FE43.20C36261@theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ray Bay wrote: > > The Dell Inspirons don't have the build quality, but the Latitudes are > much better built... Service is also very very good if something goes > bad... there is just nothing like owning a Thinkpad though... and over > time the Thinkpad holds its value much better at trade-in or resale > time. > > Ray Bayles IMHO one big reason why Thinkpads have better resale value is because the warranty follows the machine, not the owner. Thus a used Thinkpad can still have a valid warranty on it. Given this choice, I would not buy a used machine of any other brand, unless the same warranty policy was available. Does anyone know of any other brand with the same policy? If Thinkpads are unique in this regard, it would be one good reason why they hold their resale value better, at least until their warranty, extended or otherwise, runs out. For people like me who cannot afford new machines, a fairly recent Thinkpad with some IBM warranty left on it is an excellent value. Benjamin -- Clickdough(paid surfing): Sun, Mac (68k/PPC), and PC (no IE 4!) https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ Got spam? Want spam? Want more spam? Get paid to receive spam! http://www.sendmoreinfo.com/id/525300 From cph Tue Oct 24 18:49:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA32683 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:49:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11178; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:45:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10924; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10880; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:45:15 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-390.gate.net [199.227.131.199]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA156608; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:44:55 -0400 Message-ID: <39F61127.53A86939@gate.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:45:59 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Langham CC: "'Ray Bay'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: dell inspiron vs thinkpad References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9166800F57203048F56DA132" List-Unsubscribe: --------------9166800F57203048F56DA132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Test subjects: 770-1AU, nice travel, good feel, solid..!! A21p, slightly less travel, good feel, less solid due IMO to mounting method.. 570, more like the 770 but with the travel of the A21p.. WorkPad z50, nice travel, good feel, solid feel.. all is, of course, subjective.. :-) Greg Langham wrote: > > > The A20/T20 keyboard just doesn't strike me as having as much travel > or as good a feel to me (subjective stuff of course.) > > I support some 600's and 770's as well as my A20 and I personally seem > to notice that the 600 and 770 keyboards feel better. > > That being said, the A20 keyboard is OK, it just isn't great IMHO. > However, the trackpoint is still the best pointing device and reason > enough for me to stay with an IBM. > > Note: I know the Dell 3700/3800/Latitude series have a Trackpoint, but > it's not as finely tuned as the IBM and the button placement is poor > compared to the IBM. > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Bay [mailto:canyonlands@theriver.com] > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 5:18 PM > To: Greg Langham > Cc: 'jon w'; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: dell inspiron vs thinkpad > > Wow, I just read two review which said the best thing about the > T20/A20's was the keyboard... One was in computer resellers news... > I'll find the other... > > I thought the T20 keyboard was excellent. But I haven't tried the 770. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria --------------9166800F57203048F56DA132 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Test subjects:
770-1AU, nice travel, good feel, solid..!!
A21p, slightly less travel, good feel, less solid due IMO to mounting method..
570, more like the 770 but with the travel of the A21p..
WorkPad z50, nice travel, good feel, solid feel..

all is, of course, subjective..  :-)

Greg Langham wrote:

 

The A20/T20 keyboard just doesn't strike me as having as much travel or as good a feel to me (subjective stuff of course.)

I support some 600's and 770's as well as my A20 and I personally seem to notice that the 600 and 770 keyboards feel better.

That being said, the A20 keyboard is OK, it just isn't great IMHO. However, the trackpoint is still the best pointing device and reason enough for me to stay with an IBM.

Note: I know the Dell 3700/3800/Latitude series have a Trackpoint, but it's not as finely tuned as the IBM and the button placement is poor compared to the IBM.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Bay [mailto:canyonlands@theriver.com]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 5:18 PM
To: Greg Langham
Cc: 'jon w'; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: dell inspiron vs thinkpad

Wow, I just read two review which said the best thing about the
T20/A20's was the keyboard... One was in computer resellers news...
I'll find the other...

I thought the T20 keyboard was excellent. But I haven't tried the 770.

--
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Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
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sic transit gloria
  --------------9166800F57203048F56DA132-- From cph Tue Oct 24 19:27:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA00439 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:27:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14768; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:22:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14392; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14378; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:22:05 -0400 Received: from dallas (ip12.bedford9.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.79.12]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e9ONLsE06964 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:21:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: 9.5mm HDD in TP380Z? Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:23:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c03e11$6592f5b0$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hello all- My cousin's TP380Z hard drive bit the dust... was thinking of getting her a 10GB 9.5mm / 2.5in model.. any special considerations to mounting this? I think the normal one is 12.5mm but I could be wrong... thanks, Mike From cph Tue Oct 24 19:40:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA00565 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:40:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16789; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:36:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16402; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16389; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:36:31 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-390.gate.net [199.227.131.199]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA321448; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:36:19 -0400 Message-ID: <39F61D29.C4A4B025@gate.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:37:13 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Capone CC: thinkpads2 Subject: Re: 9.5mm HDD in TP380Z? References: <000501c03e11$6592f5b0$1b00a8c0@dallas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: there are plastic spacers for the 9mm drive in the 380 series.. otherwise, there should be no other consideration for upgrading the defunct HDD.. :-) Mike Capone wrote: > Hello all- > > My cousin's TP380Z hard drive bit > the dust... was thinking of getting her a > 10GB 9.5mm / 2.5in model.. any special considerations > to mounting this? I think the normal one is 12.5mm but > I could be wrong... > > thanks, > > Mike -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Tue Oct 24 23:00:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA02011 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:00:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05203; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:54:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04547; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04530; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:54:33 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a41.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.249]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6EB2CF21; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:55:42 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39F63D7D.B4BD5B42@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:55:09 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: penzance@gate.net Cc: Greg Langham , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: dell inspiron vs thinkpad References: <39F61127.53A86939@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thanks, Bill. Your "subjective" evaluations count for a lot with me. What do you mean by "slightly less travel" on the A21p? Ray From cph Wed Oct 25 11:41:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA06834 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:41:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04154; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:35:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03415; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03365; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (38.8.22.2 -> relay21.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:35:20 -0400 Received: from ntmail.doble.com ([204.215.186.11]) by relay21.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13oSaD-0003gW-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:35:18 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:23:03 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Floppy Boot Problem with the 365XD Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:23:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I tried to use my 365ED floppy with the 365XD. 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Ferguson" , "Greg Langham \(E-mail\)" , "John Hug \(E-mail\)From: sentto-1138295-4393-971716609-jmj=efta.be@returns.onelist.com"@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <06ee140221710a0BTBNTSYS2@212.8.180.2> Date: 16 Oct 2000 19:22:41 +0200 List-Unsubscribe: " , "Ken Whelan \(E-mail\)" , "Peter Harkins \(E-mail\)" , "Willard L. Bratton Jr. \(E-mail\)" Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal From: "Robert W. King" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list outlook-users@egroups.com; contact outlook-users-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list outlook-users@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:08:20 -0600 Reply-To: outlook-users@egroups.com Subject: Email messages lost Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks! This is embarrassing to admit, but I appear to have lost about four or five months worth of email messages from my Hold folder last night. I still haven't figured out the details of what happened. It appears the folder contents were deleted as I exited my email program. I received no indication of any problem at the time This would all be merely inconvenient and annoying except for the fact that that I then updated my backup copies of my message archive before becoming aware of the loss.. Mind you, I'm a 'belt and suspenders' kind of guy when it comes to maintaining my email archives. I have messages that date back twenty years in that database and I've gone to some lengths to retain them. I keep synchronized working copies of the archive on both my desktop and my laptop machines and I regularly update two complete sets of copies on different hard drives on my desktop machine. In addition, at longer intervals, I write a copy to CD-ROM. In the present instance, I seem to have lost the contents - about 4000 to 5000 messages from my Hold folder. That's the folder where I have been collecting genealogically oriented messages both sent and received from the archive with a view to wading through them one message at a time and acting upon them as needed - updating my genealogical database, corresponding with the sender, updating my address book, what-have-you. We won't discuss the number of man-hours I've expended in the last month wading through my entire database of approximately a hundred thousand messages to identify those messages and move them to the Hold folder for more considered review and action. I can go to my CD-ROM to recover all the more dated messages. The problem is that the CD-ROM was last written in June. That means that all the genealogically oriented messages (naturally the ones I least wanted lose!) since June have gone to that great bit-bucket in the sky where all good little bits and bytes go when they die. Just coincidentally, it also appears that I have suddenly acquired some problems with the hard drive on my laptop - the machine where I was working when the folder contents 'went away.' I've been running Norton Disk Doctor on it, but there appears to be some kind of problem with the directory structure and possibly the fat table on the C: partition. That's computer-speak for "I may have to re-format that entire drive and start over - meaning re-install Windows, re-install all my software, copy several gigabytes of data files from across the network, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera." In the interim, whilst I'm diagnosing, repairing and what-not, I call upon the goodness of your hearts to retransmit any messages you sent to me or that I sent to you between 1 Jun 2000 and 15 Oct 2000. I realize that most of you are not compulsive email collectors like I am, but please check your folders for me. Your Sent folder will probably retain any messages you sent to me and the Deleted folder may contain any messages from me - assuming you are not one of those folks that habitually deletes the contents of those folders before exiting your email program. -- Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086 InterNet: robert@wildweasel.net http://www.wildweasel.net To unsubscribe, send a message to outlook-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com. To switch to a web or digest subscription, visit http://www.egroups.com/group/outlook-users/ From cph Wed Oct 25 14:30:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA08735 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:30:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24336; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:23:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23959; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23927; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:22:56 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a0.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.208]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9276D261D8; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:05:57 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39F720E8.58B1C5BF@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:05:28 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Thinkpads-older@egroups.com Subject: Batteries and the Nicad Lady Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The address for the battery lady or Nicad Lady: Grace is her name. www. nicdlady.com She prefers to deal with you over the phone. There isn't much information on the website... but they will give quotes over the phone. The Nicd Lady Company 20585 Camino Del Sol, Unit B Riverside, California 92508 (909) 653-8868 Fax (909) 653-5189 nicdlady@nicdlady.com I have not done business with this company. I do not know anybody who has so this is neither a recommendation nor a warning. But the concept is a good one. I assume they also build L-Ion batteries, but do not know. Ray From cph Wed Oct 25 14:41:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA08830 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:41:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25918; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:38:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25567; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf2.innoventry.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25536; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf2.innoventry.com (216.101.175.243 -> mailsf2.innovisions.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:37:57 -0400 Received: by mailsf2.innoventry.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:34:13 -0700 Message-ID: <21197C35EDDFD311954C00508B9B111FA773C5@mailsf2.innoventry.com> From: Mitchell Yee To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: thinkpad DVD drives; maybe OT Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:34:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I recently took advantage of an opportunity to buy a 6x DVD (05K0169) for my TP600E. Mainly because it was too cheap to pass up and even though I already own a 2x DVD(05K9068). Before I open the new drive up (and break the factory seal), can someone explain to me the advantage(s) of a 6x vs. the 2x? I already understand that the 6x DVD offers faster CD access. Is there anything else? thanks, Mitchell From cph Wed Oct 25 14:55:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA08933 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:55:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27781; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:51:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27344; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27167; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:51:06 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:50:50 -0400 Message-ID: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1F8D@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: "'Mitchell Yee '" , "''thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' '" Subject: RE: thinkpad DVD drives; maybe OT Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:50:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I'm not sure the 6X Drive works with the 600E (thought it was unique to the 600X). You should check IBM's web site. Neil -----Original Message----- From: Mitchell Yee To: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' Sent: 10/25/00 2:34 PM Subject: thinkpad DVD drives; maybe OT I recently took advantage of an opportunity to buy a 6x DVD (05K0169) for my TP600E. Mainly because it was too cheap to pass up and even though I already own a 2x DVD(05K9068). Before I open the new drive up (and break the factory seal), can someone explain to me the advantage(s) of a 6x vs. the 2x? I already understand that the 6x DVD offers faster CD access. Is there anything else? thanks, Mitchell From cph Wed Oct 25 15:59:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA09550 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:59:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04586; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:52:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04125; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04105; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:52:37 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id PAA00534; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:52:26 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA05488; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001025124850.022fba58@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:51:48 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: thinkpad DVD drives; maybe OT In-Reply-To: <21197C35EDDFD311954C00508B9B111FA773C5@mailsf2.innoventry. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:34 AM 10/25/2000 -0700, you wrote: >I recently took advantage of an opportunity to buy >a 6x DVD (05K0169) for my TP600E. Mainly because >it was too cheap to pass up and even though I already >own a 2x DVD(05K9068). Before I open the new drive >up (and break the factory seal), can someone explain >to me the advantage(s) of a 6x vs. the 2x? I already >understand that the 6x DVD offers faster CD access. >Is there anything else? Wouldn't that apply to DVD's too? For instance, I have a mapping software product that could either come on 6 CD's or on a single DVD (gee, guess which one I chose!). I believe the higher x-factor would imply faster data transfer from DVD's too. Or in the case of movies, perhaps it can better cache movie footage better by reading ahead faster...anyone know for certain? From cph Wed Oct 25 16:19:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA09990 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:19:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06833; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:15:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06666; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06636; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:15:26 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA20531 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:15:20 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000d01c03ec0$4d12e220$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "TP List" References: <4.2.0.58.20001025124850.022fba58@pop3.iceka.com> Subject: Re: thinkpad DVD drives; maybe OT Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:15:20 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > Wouldn't that apply to DVD's too? Movies on DVD are always read at 1x. Data on DVD is read at the stated rate. In other words, all else being equal, a 6X DVD will read DVD data at 6 times the rate of a 1X DVD drive, but will not increase the rate at which movies are read. The equivalent CD rate was based on a rule of thumb equation (CD rate)=4*(DVD rate), but for newer drives a more accurate CD-equivalent rate (which often violates this rule) is given. - David R. From cph Wed Oct 25 16:45:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA10257 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:45:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09678; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:39:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09351; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eve.speakeasy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09328; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eve.speakeasy.net (216.254.0.17 -> eve.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:38:54 -0400 Received: from RWMann.com (rwmann-4.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.73.95]) by eve.speakeasy.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9PKcHi12991; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:38:17 -0700 Message-ID: <39F744B5.E9B57D45@RWMann.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:38:13 -0400 From: RWM Organization: R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bay CC: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Thinkpads-older@egroups.com Subject: Re: Batteries and the Nicad Lady References: <39F720E8.58B1C5BF@theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: FWIW, I've purchased TP510Cs and various handheld transceiver battery replacements from NiCdLady, installed DIY. The battery product is excellent, prices reasonable. Highly endorsed! Have not, so far, needed to purchase battery **cases**, which I understand can be quite a bit more expensive. - Bob Mann Ray Bay wrote: > > The address for the battery lady or Nicad Lady: > > Grace is her name. www. nicdlady.com > > She prefers to deal with you over the phone. There isn't much > information on the website... but they will give quotes over the > phone. > > The Nicd Lady Company > 20585 Camino Del Sol, Unit B > Riverside, California 92508 > (909) 653-8868 Fax (909) 653-5189 > > nicdlady@nicdlady.com > > I have not done business with this company. I do not know anybody who > has so this is neither a recommendation nor a warning. But the concept > is a good one. > > I assume they also build L-Ion batteries, but do not know. > > Ray -- R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. > Airline Industry Analysis and Consulting Port Washington, NY 11050 > tel 516-944-0900, fax 516-944-7280 mailto:info@RWMann.com > URL http://www.RWMann.com/ From cph Wed Oct 25 20:04:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA12091 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:04:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24365; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:55:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23601; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23585; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:55:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (63.211.172.64 -> m1.boston.juno.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:55:40 -0400 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Z4sRmP4V5DZKhyOUz4u6NgA9afdlH9D4g9M2Zc91iZqo6hu4xgdb6Q=="> Received: (from evenmere@juno.com) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FL9YH2RB; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:53:40 EDT To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:37:09 -0500 Subject: 730T floppy drive specs Message-ID: <20001025.185626.-2042279.6.evenmere@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-8 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 List-Unsubscribe: I'm looking for an external drive for a IBM 730T pen tablet. A lot of the sellers on ebay list their drives by Part Number (PN) and by FRU PN. I'm not certain why two numbers. Can anyone tell me the part numbers I need to get the correct drive? Also, do you know of any place to find rebuilt/warrantied drives? I'd rather spend a little extra and get a working drive than buy something on ebay that doesn't work. Thanks James Stoddard From cph Wed Oct 25 21:54:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA12890 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:54:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00772; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:46:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00472; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00446; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:46:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:46:09 -0400 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.42]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001026014604.GQNQ1460.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 01:46:04 +0000 Received: from [24.189.193.217] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 01:46:03 +0000 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Need good 600 battery Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 01:46:03 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: scosgt@att.net Message-Id: <20001026014604.GQNQ1460.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: Have some good 760Li-Ion batterys to trade, or will buy > FWIW, I've purchased TP510Cs and various handheld transceiver battery > replacements from NiCdLady, installed DIY. > > The battery product is excellent, prices reasonable. Highly endorsed! > > Have not, so far, needed to purchase battery **cases**, which I > understand can be quite a bit more expensive. > > - Bob Mann > > Ray Bay wrote: > > > > The address for the battery lady or Nicad Lady: > > > > Grace is her name. www. nicdlady.com > > > > She prefers to deal with you over the phone. There isn't much > > information on the website... but they will give quotes over the > > phone. > > > > The Nicd Lady Company > > 20585 Camino Del Sol, Unit B > > Riverside, California 92508 > > (909) 653-8868 Fax (909) 653-5189 > > > > nicdlady@nicdlady.com > > > > I have not done business with this company. I do not know anybody who > > has so this is neither a recommendation nor a warning. But the concept > > is a good one. > > > > I assume they also build L-Ion batteries, but do not know. > > > > Ray > > -- > R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. > Airline Industry Analysis and Consulting > Port Washington, NY 11050 > tel 516-944-0900, fax 516-944-7280 > mailto:info@RWMann.com > URL http://www.RWMann.com/ From cph Wed Oct 25 23:39:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA13438 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:39:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08493; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:26:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07967; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07935; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:26:23 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip129-37-224-53.mo.us.prserv.net [129.37.224.53]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9Q3Q9129034 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:10 -0700 Message-ID: <39F7A442.60FCA289@mail.orion.org> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:25:54 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Something wrong with my 560E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I put a 16MB SO-DIMM in my 560E. Nothing. Just 16MB detected on powerup. This 16MB came from my 760ED and works fine in that machine. I pulled out a 32MB SO-DIMM from my 560X and put it in the 560E. 48MB detected on powerup, but then I shut it off and back on again, 16MB detected. I put the 16MB SO-DIMM back in the 560E and turned it on. 32MB detected on power up. Turned it off and back on, 16MB detected. Every time after that, only 16MB detected. I tried pulling the SO-DIMM and even used a tiny screwdriver to gently bend the pins out on the socket a little more. No luck. I used my multimeter to see if there is continuity between the gold contacts on the SO-DIMM and the pins on the socket. There appears to be 100% continuity at least on the outside pins (can't check the inside pins because the DIMM covers it). Anyone seen this before? BTW, the 16MB SO-DIMM works fine in the 560X also. The 560E passes all built-in diagnostics. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Thu Oct 26 12:39:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA19110 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:39:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10559; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:31:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09626; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09535; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (198.144.205.90 -> m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:31:14 -0400 Received: from 172.16.74.1 by NewPad ([172.16.74.1] running VPOP3) with ESMTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:30:48 -0700 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" , "'Mitchell Yee '" , Subject: RE: thinkpad DVD drives; maybe OT Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:30:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1F8D@exch1.smh.com> Importance: Normal X-Server: VPOP3 V1.4.0b - Registered List-Unsubscribe: > I'm not sure the 6X Drive works with the 600E (thought it was unique to the > 600X). You should check IBM's web site. It works in every variety of 600. No reason it wouldn't. I've run one in a plain old 600 and a 600E. -Mike From cph Thu Oct 26 18:29:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA22707 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:29:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24171; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:22:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23597; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23578; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (64.4.32.102 -> oe22.pav0.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:22:45 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:22:42 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [205.184.255.27] From: "Brad Burean" To: Subject: The great pumpkin lives Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:23:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 6.00.0010.0900 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C03F71.8079E3A0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2000 22:22:42.0761 (UTC) FILETIME=[42164390:01C03F9B] List-Unsubscribe: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C03F71.8079E3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If anyone's interested, my son's orange 560 is at the photo site http://communities.msn.com/CyberboogersFunThinkpads Booger ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C03F71.8079E3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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= ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C03F71.8079E3A0-- From cph Thu Oct 26 19:59:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA23308 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:59:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02209; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:55:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01792; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01768; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:55:09 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id TAA11024; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:55:04 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id TAA19063; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001026164223.011ebda0@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:54:50 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Remember those Cheap Sony USB CD-RW drives at Staples? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: ...I did manage to get one after it was transferred from another store, etc. Well, I'm just now getting the chance to use it, and I have a big question of anyone here who has one of these things: Does it work *only* with the Sony "CD Extreme" Software that came with it? I've tried Nero, Prassi CD Right, and Adaptec Easy CD--no dice. The only thing that appears to work is the Sony software that came with it. Why? I've never seen this before. Is it because its USB? Does it matter that I'm running in Windows 2000 (I applied all the firmware updates & patches for upgrading it to work with Win2K)? Does anyone else use something besides the Sony software, or am I stuck with the Sony software only? From cph Thu Oct 26 20:28:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA23755 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:28:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05542; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:22:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05016; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04971; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:22:00 -0400 Received: from 209-122-243-140.s140.tnt1.hlb.nj.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.243.140] helo=ppro) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13oxHO-0007aB-00 ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:21:54 -0400 Received: by ppro (VPOP3) with SMTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:20:52 -0400 Message-ID: <04c501c03fab$b0a8e4b0$0d00a8c0@dec5200> From: "R Briganti" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" References: <4.2.0.58.20001026164223.011ebda0@pop3.iceka.com> Subject: Re: Remember those Cheap Sony USB CD-RW drives at Staples? Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:20:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0b - Registered to: Belle Mead Claims List-Unsubscribe: Check the Adaptec site for compatibility of the recorder. You may need the most recent upgrade to EZCD. Unfortunately, I missed out on the recorders so I don't have one to try out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randal Whittle" To: "TP List" Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 19:54 Subject: Remember those Cheap Sony USB CD-RW drives at Staples? > > ...I did manage to get one after it was transferred from another store, etc. > > Well, I'm just now getting the chance to use it, and I have a big question > of anyone here who has one of these things: > > Does it work *only* with the Sony "CD Extreme" Software that came with it? > > I've tried Nero, Prassi CD Right, and Adaptec Easy CD--no dice. > > The only thing that appears to work is the Sony software that came with > it. Why? I've never seen this before. Is it because its USB? Does it > matter that I'm running in Windows 2000 (I applied all the firmware updates > & patches for upgrading it to work with Win2K)? > > Does anyone else use something besides the Sony software, or am I stuck > with the Sony software only? > > From cph Thu Oct 26 23:48:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA25020 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:48:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22889; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:42:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22330; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22317; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:42:23 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-73.gate.net [199.227.20.136]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA246496; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:42:06 -0400 Message-ID: <39F8F9C5.AD98E88C@gate.net> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:43:01 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bay CC: Greg Langham , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: dell inspiron vs thinkpad References: <39F61127.53A86939@gate.net> <39F63D7D.B4BD5B42@theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: full keystroke is slightly shorter, i think.. Ray Bay wrote: > Thanks, Bill. Your "subjective" evaluations count for a lot with me. > > What do you mean by "slightly less travel" on the A21p? > > Ray -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Oct 27 12:50:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA31014 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:50:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29656; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:39:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28383; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28336; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.147.1.143 -> chmls05.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:38:56 -0400 Received: from laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA13712 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:38:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: RE: Remember those cheap Sony USB CD-RW drives at Staples? Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:38:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c04034$671880b0$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: Thank you, Randal, lest we forget. . . . We use one of these on our desktop with W98 os, and I don't know whether it is possible or not to use other software, but the Sony software that comes with it is remarkably good, imho. The secondary software that came with it - not the CD Extreme software, but the player/recorder - will automatically translate sound files to CD format, for example (whereas friends of mine with other software are doing all sorts of operations on their files to make the transition). The CD Extreme software itself is extremely intuitive and seems to work fine. We did encounter underbuffering (?) problems initially (clicking sounds on the CD recording), but this is resolved (with this, and I gather any CD/RW) by copying the originating CD to disk and then to the fresh CD rather than direct copy; keeping your hard drive well defragged (e.g., after every two or three CD writes); and using a program such as WinSolo to shut down everything else on the computer while making copies. I am told that copying at less than Max speed can also help with this, but we have not found it to be necessary. It is also a good idea to chose a CD blank of reasonable quality, then to stick with that brand that works. Best, Jeff > >-----Original Message----- >From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] >Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 7:55 PM >To: TP List >Subject: Remember those Cheap Sony USB CD-RW drives at Staples? > > > ...I did manage to get one after it was transferred from another store, etc. > > Well, I'm just now getting the chance to use it, and I have a big question >of anyone here who has one of these things: > > Does it work *only* with the Sony "CD Extreme" Software that came with it? > > I've tried Nero, Prassi CD Right, and Adaptec Easy CD--no dice. > > The only thing that appears to work is the Sony software that came with >it. Why? I've never seen this before. Is it because its USB? Does it >matter that I'm running in Windows 2000 (I applied all the firmware updates >& patches for upgrading it to work with Win2K)? > >Does anyone else use something besides the Sony software, or am I stuck >with the Sony software only? > > From cph Fri Oct 27 19:05:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA02550 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:05:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11198; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:00:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10747; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sherman.ncag.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10730; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sherman.ncag.edu (208.198.8.5 -> sherman.ncag.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:00:39 -0400 Received: from facwjk01 [208.198.8.100] by sherman.ncag.edu (SMTPD32-6.05) id A7E99A00D4; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:55:37 -0700 From: "Waldemar Kowalski" To: Subject: TP adapters - 56w vs. 72w Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:00:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20001003200100.017798d0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I like the new 72w, more compact adapter, with 2-prong wall cord. Any reason why I can't use it on my 600X, which normally uses the 56w bulkier adapter? Plug ends (to laptop) are identical, and a *brief* test seemed to indicate no problems. I realize that there should be no problem, but just in case there's a "gotcha" I've missed... Thanks! waldemar kowalski cio, northwest college From cph Fri Oct 27 19:08:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA02576 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:08:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11867; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:06:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11618; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11601; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:06:01 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip129-37-224-6.mo.us.prserv.net [129.37.224.6]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9RN5T107277; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:05:31 -0700 Message-ID: <39FA0A31.256337DE@mail.orion.org> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:05:21 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Waldemar Kowalski CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP adapters - 56w vs. 72w References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Waldemar Kowalski wrote: > > I like the new 72w, more compact adapter, with 2-prong wall cord. Any reason > why I can't use it on my 600X, which normally uses the 56w bulkier adapter? > Plug ends (to laptop) are identical, and a *brief* test seemed to indicate > no problems. I realize that there should be no problem, but just in case > there's a "gotcha" I've missed... If the voltage is the same, then you have nothing to worry about. Since it's 72W which is higher than 56W, I'm going to say the available current (Amps) is higher than your old power supply. It's okay for the power supply to be capable of delivering more Amps than required, but BAD if the Amps are less than the computer requires (that would overload the supply). Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Fri Oct 27 19:19:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA02718 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:19:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13201; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:16:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12968; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12949; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (209.228.12.68 -> c014-h004.c014.sfo.cp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:16:39 -0400 Received: (cpmta 3271 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2000 16:16:29 -0700 Date: 27 Oct 2000 16:16:29 -0700 Message-ID: <20001027231629.3270.cpmta@c014.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 27 Oct 2000 23:16:29 GMT Received: from [199.35.124.240] by mail.flashcom.net with HTTP; 27 Oct 2000 16:16:29 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: wally@ncag.edu From: Tom Franklin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: TP adapters - 56w vs. 72w X-Sent-From: franklin@flashcom.net List-Unsubscribe: BTW: How much are these new adapters? I could use a spare. On Fri, 27 October 2000, "Waldemar Kowalski" wrote: > I like the new 72w, more compact adapter, with 2-prong wall cord. Any reason > why I can't use it on my 600X, which normally uses the 56w bulkier adapter? > Plug ends (to laptop) are identical, and a *brief* test seemed to indicate > no problems. I realize that there should be no problem, but just in case > there's a "gotcha" I've missed... From cph Fri Oct 27 20:59:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA03733 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:59:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21492; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:54:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21119; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21106; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:54:54 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip129-37-224-6.mo.us.prserv.net [129.37.224.6]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9S0sm117353 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:54:48 -0700 Message-ID: <39FA23D1.99C98506@mail.orion.org> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:54:41 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: TP560X compatible with SDRAM? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Win98 says the 560X has the Intel 430TX chipset. I remember back in my Socket 7 days that this chipset supports SDRAM. IBM's website doesn't say that the 560X supports SDRAM, does anyone know whether or not the 560X has an undocumented ability to support SDRAM SODIMMs? Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Sat Oct 28 00:38:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA05237 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:38:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07555; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:32:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07219; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07199; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:32:30 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-41.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.194]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id e9S4WNw31782 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:32:23 -0400 From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: [TP-ALL] Two from Louie! Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:39:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Heads up folks. Louie's got ONE each of the following: 20X-8X PRTBL STEREO CD-ROM FOR TP PCMCIA -ONLY ONE IN STOCK - $79.00 ITEM#...1969-011 (The picture will show the 1969-100 drive, not a problem, they're basically the same!) http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/inproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=3&sku=1969%2D011 8X-20X PORTABLE CD-ROM DRIVE PCMCIA --ONLY ONE IN STOCK - $79.00 ITEM#...1969-100 SERIES http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/inproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=3&sku=1969%2D100+SERIES Anybody who's been looking for an external PCMCIA drive, these are the best, with all the bells and whistles. Regards, James From cph Sun Oct 29 01:01:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA15578 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:01:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18634; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:55:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18319; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18306; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:55:38 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-316.gate.net [199.227.131.125]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA139490 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:55:16 -0400 Message-ID: <39FBBC0D.D6254573@gate.net> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:56:29 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: another quiet weekend or... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: is the list down? all i have been getting is SPAM and a few personal e-mails.. :-) -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sun Oct 29 07:31:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA27658 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:31:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06261; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:28:08 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06045; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06032; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:28:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.32 -> out2.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:28:04 -0500 Received: from mwl ([32.101.34.250]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2000102912275720203826e7e>; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:27:57 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: Subject: Max configuration for 365XD? Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:20:12 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, One of my elementary teachers has asked me to update her daughter's 365XD laptop so that it will take her through the end of college. It presently has 24MB of ram and a 1GB HDD. IBM lists 40MB as the max for ram and I assume that a 6GB drive is the max for supported HDD space. Has anyone gone through the 40MB limitation and how did you accomplish that? Does anyone on the list have a suitable HDD and memory / accessories for sale? Please contact me by my work email below. Thanks mwl@tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us Mike Lingenfelter Technology Coordinator Bellwood-Antis School District From cph Sun Oct 29 07:49:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA27734 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:49:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07860; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:46:18 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07636; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07623; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:46:17 -0500 Received: from 216-164-136-153.s153.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.136.153]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13prqq-0001VN-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:46:16 -0500 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:47:12 -0500 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <92178306649.20001029074712@erols.com> To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: another quiet weekend or... In-reply-To: <39FBBC0D.D6254573@gate.net> References: <39FBBC0D.D6254573@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill, Sunday, October 29, 2000, 12:56:29 AM, you wrote: > is the list down? all i have been getting is SPAM and a few personal > e-mails.. :-) > -- > --- > Happy trails... > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > sic transit gloria i am getting traffic; i think it's jsut slow. -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Sun Oct 29 07:58:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA27795 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:58:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09328; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:55:39 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09115; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from garnet.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09102; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:55:38 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:55:38 -0500 Received: from sover.net (arc4a152.bf.sover.net [209.198.114.90]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA19463 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:55:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200010291255.HAA19463@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) sover.net from arc4a152.bf.sover.net [209.198.114.90] 209.198.114.90 Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:55:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:41:07 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: How Does IBM Recondition Batteries? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 List-Unsubscribe: Does any know the process that IBM uses to recondition the batteries they sent out when one is replaced under a warranty! TIA ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Sun Oct 29 08:10:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA28141 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:10:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10518; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:08:08 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10317; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipop4 (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10304; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipop4 (202.188.0.248 -> ipop4.tm.net.my) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:08:04 -0500 Received: from tp390.tm.net.my (kch-174-182.tm.net.my [203.106.174.182]) by ipop4.tm.net.my (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 (built Oct 2 2000)) with ESMTP id <0G3700G5U0E7SP@ipop4.tm.net.my> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:06:08 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:55:10 +0800 From: Kho Kwang Khoon Subject: EBay & Thinkpad X-Sender: khokk/pop.tm.net.my@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <4.3.1.0.20001029203234.00b0cd48@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT List-Unsubscribe: I have never use Ebay before and would like to know from experienced EBayers whether it is safe to purchase a used or refurbished notebook through an EBay auction. Will buying direct from companies dealing with such products such as egghead.com be a better alternative? I saw quite a number of Thinkpad 600X Pentium III 500MHz being auctioned on Ebay even though it is a fairly new model. Does this imply that the owners are not happy with their machines and are willing to part with them for only a fraction of their original cost? On the other hand I could not find any Thinkpad 390 being auction. I wonder why? Advice/input will be greatly appreciated. Kho From cph Sun Oct 29 08:37:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA28231 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:37:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12462; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:36:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:33:58 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12100; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12086; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:33:57 -0500 Received: from 40.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.171.40]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001029133355.OPIK4818.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@40.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:33:55 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EBay & Thinkpad Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:33:56 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39fc22cf.87856891@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <4.3.1.0.20001029203234.00b0cd48@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20001029203234.00b0cd48@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA28232 On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:55:10 +0800, you wrote: >I have never use Ebay before and would like to know from experienced >EBayers whether it is safe to purchase a used or refurbished notebook >through an EBay auction. Will buying direct from companies dealing with >such products such as egghead.com be a better alternative? Not always - Egghead and Onsale have proven themselves unreliable sometimes. Sometimes they discover that a deal is too good and cancel it and re-issue the same systems later at a higher price. I still remember them doing this with the 701 a while back. > >I saw quite a number of Thinkpad 600X Pentium III 500MHz being auctioned on >Ebay even though it is a fairly new model. Does this imply that the owners >are not happy with their machines and are willing to part with them for >only a fraction of their original cost? On the other hand I could not find >any Thinkpad 390 being auction. I wonder why? > I'd say the clue is that the 600X is a high-end model. That means the original purchaser had/has very demanding computer needs (real or imagined :), plenty of dough on hand, and likely upgrades very often. Odds are most of the sellers are using A2x models by now and are using their 600X sale to offset the costs. I've done that myself("this one is $3000, but if I can get $2000 for my old one it'll only cost me...") Same logic for the 390, which would appeal to someone with more modest computing needs and a smaller budget. The average 390 user likely hasn't outstripped the capabilities of the system and/or can't afford to splurge on something newer with all the bells and whistles. I'd estimate that both groups are happy with them, though. As far as getting a used 600 on eBay, I feel it's a great place for deals on the 600 and accessories - it's where I bought my 600E, DVD drive, Zip drive, and spare battery. Because the 600X is still under warranty from IBM (and they honor it for 2nd owners), it's a much safer deal than most laptops. And when you consider the price for these models *new,* you're getting a heck of a bargain. Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Sun Oct 29 09:38:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA28615 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:38:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16140; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:36:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:34:58 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15832; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-1.core.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15818; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-1.core.com (208.40.40.42 -> mx1.core.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:34:56 -0500 Received: from erichknobil ([216.214.112.148]) by smtp-1.core.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G374NG04.V1W for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:38:04 -0600 From: "Erich Knobil" To: Subject: Mistakenly disabled suspend -- now can't undo it Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:34:39 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: My fingers were quicker than my brain, and I mistakenly dismissed some windows dialog box on boot-up by answering "yes" to something that asked me if I wanted to disable suspend mode. Much to my chagrin, I can't seem to find where to undo this. According to the settings in the power applet in Control Panel, as well as in the Battery MaxiMizer wizard, suspend should be enabled, but it's not. Now when I close the lid, I just get a beep. What am I missing? BTW, this is on a T20 running Win98. Thanks in advance if you can help! -- Erich From cph Sun Oct 29 11:37:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA29410 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:37:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23717; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:37:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:35:17 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23471; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23458; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:35:15 -0500 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.46.255.191 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:35:29 -0800 Message-ID: <00bb01c041c6$5cef71a0$bfff2e3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Parts needed 4 560 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 10:36:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Used battery for painting, doesn't need to hold a charge. Port covers. 16 megs ram. Thanks Booger http://communities.msn.com/CyberboogersFunThinkpads From cph Sun Oct 29 11:49:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA29455 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:49:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24614; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:48:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:47:01 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24335; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:47:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24322; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:46:59 -0500 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.46.255.191 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:47:14 -0800 Message-ID: <00d501c041c8$00dcaa20$bfff2e3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Web site coming Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 10:48:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I'm putting a website up for my computers, some collectibles and other crap that interests me. If anyone would like a link let me know. First you might want to visit the painted thinkpad link for a view of our logo before you decide. Booger http://communities.msn.com/CyberboogersFunThinkpads From cph Sun Oct 29 13:27:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA30267 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:27:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02293; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:23:52 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01962; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01949; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:23:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.240.190 -> f315.law8.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:23:50 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 10:23:48 -0800 Received: from 198.111.128.100 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:23:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.111.128.100] From: "J W" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: CPU upgrade for thinkpads $300 to PII 400 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:23:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2000 18:23:48.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[6164CF50:01C041D5] List-Unsubscribe: This CPU daughter-board comes with required bios upgrade and is 100% compatible with all software, accessories, etc. 256KB full-speed on-die cache for maximum performance. Fully recognized as a Pentium II at 400MHz by IBM's bios and diagnostic utilities. Brand New, shipped in ESD pouch,Complete with installation instructions. anyone ? before i plunge $300 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From cph Sun Oct 29 13:34:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA30313 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:34:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03289; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:31:29 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02997; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02984; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:31:28 -0500 Received: from dallas (ip238.bedford9.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.79.238]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e9TIVHk07797 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:31:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: CPU upgrade for thinkpads $300 to PII 400 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:32:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c041d6$a4f832b0$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 List-Unsubscribe: Gotta be more specific about this. I'm assuming its probably an MMC-2 module or something like that to replace the existing one. I had pondered this with a colleague of mine, to replace the PII-266 in my TP770ED with like a 366 or something to that effect. It seemed like it would work but I'm not sure what was involved with changing out the CPU module. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: J W [mailto:dxvolution@hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 1:24 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: CPU upgrade for thinkpads $300 to PII 400 > > > This CPU daughter-board comes with required bios upgrade and is 100% > compatible with all software, accessories, etc. 256KB full-speed on-die > cache for maximum performance. > > Fully recognized as a Pentium II at 400MHz by IBM's bios and diagnostic > utilities. Brand New, shipped in ESD pouch,Complete with installation > instructions. > > anyone ? before i plunge $300 > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > From cph Sun Oct 29 13:44:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA30381 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:44:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04365; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:43:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:42:00 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04139; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04125; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:41:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:41:57 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-14.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.119]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id e9TIfjw12544; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:41:45 -0500 From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "J W" , Subject: RE: CPU upgrade for thinkpads $300 to PII 400 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:49:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Are you offering it or asking if anyone knows about it? Appears to be the latter, if you have a URl reference for it that would help. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: J W [mailto:dxvolution@hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 1:24 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: CPU upgrade for thinkpads $300 to PII 400 > > > This CPU daughter-board comes with required bios upgrade and is 100% > compatible with all software, accessories, etc. 256KB full-speed on-die > cache for maximum performance. > > Fully recognized as a Pentium II at 400MHz by IBM's bios and diagnostic > utilities. Brand New, shipped in ESD pouch,Complete with installation > instructions. > > anyone ? before i plunge $300 From cph Sun Oct 29 13:53:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA30440 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:53:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05451; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:52:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:50:41 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05183; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05170; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:50:35 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:50:35 -0500 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.43]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001029185034.USNC13638.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:50:34 +0000 Received: from [24.189.193.217] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:50:34 +0000 To: "J W" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CPU upgrade for thinkpads $300 to PII 400 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:50:34 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: scosgt@att.net Message-Id: <20001029185034.USNC13638.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: What machine is it for and who makes it? The 600 is supposedly upgradeable to 400 MHZ > This CPU daughter-board comes with required bios upgrade and is 100% > compatible with all software, accessories, etc. 256KB full-speed on-die > cache for maximum performance. > > Fully recognized as a Pentium II at 400MHz by IBM's bios and diagnostic > utilities. Brand New, shipped in ESD pouch,Complete with installation > instructions. > > anyone ? before i plunge $300 > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > From cph Sun Oct 29 14:48:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA30804 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:48:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09351; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:47:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:45:04 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08997; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08969; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:45:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (141.213.75.22 -> srvr20.engin.umich.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:45:01 -0500 Received: from azure.engin.umich.edu (root@azure.engin.umich.edu [141.213.74.24]) by srvr20.engin.umich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06221; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:45:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (arteitle@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by azure.engin.umich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA17184; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:44:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:44:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" To: Erich Knobil cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mistakenly disabled suspend -- now can't undo it In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 29 Oct 2000, Erich Knobil wrote: > My fingers were quicker than my brain, and I mistakenly dismissed some > windows dialog box on boot-up by answering "yes" to something that > asked me if I wanted to disable suspend mode. Much to my chagrin, I > can't seem to find where to undo this. According to the settings in > the power applet in Control Panel, as well as in the Battery MaxiMizer > wizard, suspend should be enabled, but it's not. Now when I close the > lid, I just get a beep. What am I missing? BTW, this is on a T20 > running Win98. Thanks in advance if you can help! Microsoft's Knowledge Base has an article about fixing this: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q188/1/34.ASP (If you asked me, since they built in functionality to disable suspend, they should have built in the option to reenable it as well...) Aaron Teitlebaum arteitle@engin.umich.edu From cph Sun Oct 29 15:01:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA30895 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:01:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10926; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:58:28 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10632; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10614; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (207.254.7.93 -> ppp7-93.neta.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:58:20 -0500 Received: (from jones@localhost) by box3.pyrrhusoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id MAA10523; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:56:44 -0700 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:56:44 -0700 Message-Id: <200010291956.MAA10523@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> From: David Jones To: emanuel@brown.org CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP240] Which Win OS? List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to Emanuel, Steve, and Ray for their followup to my question regarding a suitable Win OS for the TP240. The consensus seems to be that Win 2000 or Win98 SE is the way to go and probably the latter unless one has 64MB plus of RAM. Emanuel, you mentioned you were going to upgrade your 240 last weekend with Win2000. How did that go and do you have more than 64MB of RAM? Cheers, David Jones From cph Sun Oct 29 15:30:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA31118 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:30:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13179; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:25:24 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12935; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12922; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:25:22 -0500 Received: from 141.chicago-01-02rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.148.141]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001029202520.JYSH16880.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@141.chicago-01-02rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:25:20 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP240] Which Win OS? Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:25:20 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39fc85ca.113197166@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <200010291956.MAA10523@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> In-Reply-To: <200010291956.MAA10523@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA31119 On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:56:44 -0700, you wrote: >Emanuel, you mentioned you were going to upgrade your 240 last weekend >with Win2000. How did that go and do you have more than 64MB of RAM? > Actually, I was referring to my IBM 600E when I said that, and the answer is and I got busy and didn't get to it this weekend. I'm hoping to get it done sometime this week. As for my 240, it's on it's way to EZ Serv. I plan to sell it soon and wanted to get rid of the display flicker and get a broken key fixed. Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Sun Oct 29 15:54:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA31256 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:54:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15626; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:51:19 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15248; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.aros.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15235; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:51:17 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from mail.aros.net (207.173.16.20 -> mail.aros.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:51:17 -0500 Received: from kalynda (dm6-33.slc.aros.net [207.173.24.33]) by mail.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA61200 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:51:14 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200010292051.NAA61200@mail.aros.net> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:46:44 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760 Series-L2 Cache or not? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: I am looking around for another 760E/EL/ED and when I check on the IBM site, I see that only the 760E comes with an L2 Cache, which I consider very important for speed. On ebay, and several other like sites, the specs on the machines say all of the 760's have L2 Cache. Any opinions on who is right, and who is fibbing ? :-) I have run an PC with the L2 cache disable and it turns a 166Mhz into a 486SX-25 so I don't want a machine without the cache. Just wondering out loud. Sure is slow in here lately Thanks, John From cph Sun Oct 29 15:58:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA31280 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:58:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16343; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:55:25 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16042; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.aros.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16029; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:55:22 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from mail.aros.net (207.173.16.20 -> mail.aros.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:55:22 -0500 Received: from kalynda (dm6-33.slc.aros.net [207.173.24.33]) by mail.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA61785 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:55:17 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200010292055.NAA61785@mail.aros.net> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:52:30 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TrackPoint Caps X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: Where can I buy replacements caps for the trackpoint on my 760? Thanks John From cph Sun Oct 29 16:10:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31620 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:10:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17649; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:08:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:07:03 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17390; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:07:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17367; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:06:57 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:06:57 -0500 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.28]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001029210652.WGEV13638.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:06:52 +0000 Received: from [24.189.193.217] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:06:51 +0000 To: Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760 Series-L2 Cache or not? Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:06:51 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: scosgt@att.net Message-Id: <20001029210652.WGEV13638.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: The 760ED DEFINATELY has L2 cache Want one, I have a couple for sale, along with a 600 P2 233 with DVD > I am looking around for another 760E/EL/ED and when I check on the IBM > site, I see that only the 760E comes with an L2 Cache, which I consider > very important for speed. > > On ebay, and several other like sites, the specs on the machines say all > of the 760's have L2 Cache. > > Any opinions on who is right, and who is fibbing ? :-) I have run an PC > with the L2 cache disable and it turns a 166Mhz into a 486SX-25 so I don't > want a machine without the cache. > > Just wondering out loud. > > Sure is slow in here lately > > Thanks, > > John > From cph Sun Oct 29 16:17:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31647 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:17:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18578; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:15:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:14:20 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18332; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:14:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail01.san.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18319; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail01.san.yahoo.com (209.132.1.35 -> mail01.san.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:14:18 -0500 Received: from [216.126.181.56] (216.126.181.56) by mail01.san.yahoo.com (5.1.053) id 39F626D1029A9AE9 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:08:00 -0800 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:12:40 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: Linux on 365X...is it possible? List-Unsubscribe: Heya all...I have a 365X with 40MB RAM (maxed according to IBM) and a 4.3GB HD. I want to de-Assimilate it from the Redmond Collective. In short...I want to run Linux. Actually running FreeBSD is also an option I can pursue too, if that would be better supported. Will XFree v. 4 support the onboard video on the 365X? I know that KDE2 would be impossible on this box but what about other window managers? Sound isn't crucial but will Linux support the sound chip on the machine? Will I permanently lose my serial port because the IR thingy wants to be on and there would be no way to turn it off without a Linux Thinkpad Manager applet? What about the port replicator? Would that be supported too? I am getting very involved with the open source/Linux movement and having a laptop that shouts "I'm running on WINDOZE" every time I boot it is embarrassing to say the least. I know that IBM is starting to go REAL BIG for Linux. Unfortunately this does not extend to legacy machines. I would really appreciate the help, thanks! Take care, --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 -- bosslady@msgeek.com -- http://msgeek.org/ MsGeek.Org -- Finally, a geek news site FOR US! All the content, half the grits and no nasty testosterone aftertaste! Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! From cph Sun Oct 29 16:25:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31703 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:25:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19388; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:20:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:19:13 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19192; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19179; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:19:12 -0500 Received: from 141.chicago-01-02rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.148.141]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001029211910.KILQ16880.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@141.chicago-01-02rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:19:10 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TrackPoint Caps Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:19:11 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <3a00918a.116205216@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <200010292055.NAA61785@mail.aros.net> In-Reply-To: <200010292055.NAA61785@mail.aros.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA31704 On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:52:30 -0700, you wrote: >Where can I buy replacements caps for the trackpoint on my 760? > The caps are compatible among all models, your 760 uses the same as my 600E and 240. There is a guy on eBay with the engaging handle "nudemike" that sells 3-packs of the cat's tongue style for $1.85, 75 cents shipping. You can choose from red, black (IBM colors) or green (Toshiba). He always does Dutch auctions (200 or so) so they never go up in price. Most of his 441 feedback rating come from people that have bought caps there. The URL for his current auction is: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=482378947 Or, if you go through a lot of these, there's a guy selling 3000 of them (500 bags of 6) for $1000. That ought to cover it until we get those thought-controlled pointers in a century or two :-). Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Sun Oct 29 16:28:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31736 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:28:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20430; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:25:43 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20171; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20146; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:25:40 -0500 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA14004; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:25:23 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000b01c041ee$c1201120$db62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , References: <4.3.1.0.20001029203234.00b0cd48@127.0.0.1> <39fc22cf.87856891@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: EBay & Thinkpad Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:25:20 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > >through an EBay auction. Will buying direct from companies dealing with > >such products such as egghead.com be a better alternative? > > Not always - Egghead and Onsale have proven themselves unreliable > sometimes. They are OK as long as you buy from their "IBM superstore", i.e., where they are acting as an agent for IBM, and not some other company who happens to be selling IBM equipment. With all auctions, it depends who is doing the selling. I was really pleased with my experience buying a 560X on eBay, but did some homework on the seller first (not just the buyer feedback, also the BBB - they were a B&M merchant too). The best bet for anyone who is risk-averse is to buy a refurb direct from IBM. - David R. From cph Sun Oct 29 17:02:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31987 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:02:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23431; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:00:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:58:09 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23093; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:58:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23074; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:58:03 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-14.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.119]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id e9TLvxP10432; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:57:59 -0500 From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , Subject: RE: 760 Series-L2 Cache or not? Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:05:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200010292051.NAA61200@mail.aros.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: John, jbrush@aros.net [mailto:jbrush@aros.net] wrote: > I am looking around for another 760E/EL/ED and when I check on the IBM > site, I see that only the 760E comes with an L2 Cache, which I consider > very important for speed. ALL of the 760's EXCEPT the 760EL and 760ELD have 256K of L2 cache. The EL and ELD have NONE. This is right from the most recent twbook.pdf. Regards, James From cph Sun Oct 29 17:26:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA32162 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:26:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25225; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:23:34 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24950; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.aros.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24933; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:23:32 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from mail.aros.net (207.173.16.20 -> mail.aros.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:23:32 -0500 Received: from kalynda (dm3-123.slc.aros.net [207.173.25.123]) by mail.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA74436; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:23:24 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200010292223.PAA74436@mail.aros.net> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:21:25 -0700 To: "James H. E. Maugham" In-Reply-To: Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: 760 Series-L2 Cache or not? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: >ALL of the 760's EXCEPT the 760EL and 760ELD have 256K of L2 cache. The >EL and ELD have NONE. Thanks for the help James. I didn't even know there was an ELD model till you said this :) Regards, John From cph Sun Oct 29 17:44:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA32290 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:44:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27415; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:42:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:40:30 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26968; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26955; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:40:28 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:40:28 -0500 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.58]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001029224027.TRTK4818.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:40:27 +0000 Received: from [24.189.193.217] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:40:26 +0000 To: "James H. E. Maugham" Cc: , Subject: RE: 760 Series-L2 Cache or not? Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:40:26 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: scosgt@att.net Message-Id: <20001029224027.TRTK4818.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: That's not exactly correct. SOME of the 'EL's do, some don't > John, > > jbrush@aros.net [mailto:jbrush@aros.net] wrote: > > > I am looking around for another 760E/EL/ED and when I check on the IBM > > site, I see that only the 760E comes with an L2 Cache, which I consider > > very important for speed. > > ALL of the 760's EXCEPT the 760EL and 760ELD have 256K of L2 cache. The EL and > ELD have NONE. > > This is right from the most recent twbook.pdf. > > Regards, > > James > From cph Sun Oct 29 18:04:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA32423 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:04:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00614; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:00:56 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00236; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00220; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:00:54 -0500 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.167]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001029230053.RKLY18967.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:00:53 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001029180337.01b12b20@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:03:37 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: 760 Series-L2 Cache or not? In-Reply-To: <200010292051.NAA61200@mail.aros.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:46 PM 10/29/2000 -0700, jbrush@aros.net wrote: >Any opinions on who is right, and who is fibbing ? :-) I have run an PC >with the L2 cache disable and it turns a 166Mhz into a 486SX-25 so I don't >want a machine without the cache. > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/ is an invaluable resource for determining model differences. >Sure is slow in here lately > It is the weekend, you know! My excuse is that I've been out all day enjoying the fall weather! From cph Sun Oct 29 18:07:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA32458 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:07:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01209; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:03:35 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00685; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00640; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:03:32 -0500 Received: from mail.orion.org ([129.37.224.64]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9TN3R121031; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:03:28 -0800 Message-ID: <39FCACB8.3A5932B6@mail.orion.org> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:03:20 -0600 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: letoured@sover.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How Does IBM Recondition Batteries? References: <200010291255.HAA19463@garnet.sover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: letoured@sover.net wrote: > > Does any know the process that IBM uses to recondition the batteries they sent > out when one is replaced under a warranty! They probably replace the cells inside them and just reuse the outer casing. I've heard sometimes batteries fail because they develop internal shorts and these batteries can be saved by zapping them with high voltage or something to that effect which burns out the shorts. I don't know if this applies to all batteries, but it used to apply to Nicads. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Sun Oct 29 18:33:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA32655 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:33:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05282; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:30:12 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04932; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:30:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04919; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:30:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:30:11 -0500 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-14.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.119]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id e9TNU6P25341; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:30:07 -0500 From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: Cc: , Subject: RE: 760 Series-L2 Cache or not? Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:37:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20001029224027.TRTK4818.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Whoops! He's right, I guess I didn't look closely enough. There are two releases of 760ELs and the latter has three systems with 256K of L2 cache, 9547-U4G (W95), 9547-U4T (No OS), 9547-U4K (NT4), but apparently those are the only ones. The ThinkPad 760ELD (P100, 810MB, 4XCD, 8MB, 12.1" TFT SVGA, W95) although it didn't come with L2 cache, says it was factory upgradable to a P133 WITH 256K L2 cache. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: scosgt@att.net [mailto:scosgt@att.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 5:40 PM > To: James H. E. Maugham > Cc: jbrush@aros.net; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: 760 Series-L2 Cache or not? > > > That's not exactly correct. SOME of the 'EL's do, some > don't > > John, > > > > jbrush@aros.net [mailto:jbrush@aros.net] wrote: > > > > > I am looking around for another 760E/EL/ED and when I check on the IBM > > > site, I see that only the 760E comes with an L2 Cache, which I consider > > > very important for speed. > > > > ALL of the 760's EXCEPT the 760EL and 760ELD have 256K of L2 cache. > The EL and > > ELD have NONE. > > > > This is right from the most recent twbook.pdf. > > > > Regards, > > > > James > > From cph Sun Oct 29 18:52:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA00343 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:52:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08061; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:48:34 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07759; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:48:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07731; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:48:31 -0500 Received: from theriver.com (a19.pm3-22.theriver.com [208.164.96.179]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF1925E73; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:48:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39FCB70C.B68A8A8C@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:47:24 -0800 From: Ray Bayles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James H. E. Maugham" Subject: Re: 760 Series-L2 Cache or not? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Not eggsactly true... My spare 760EL (9547 U4G) has L2 Cache From cph Sun Oct 29 18:59:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA00410 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:59:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09130; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:58:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:57:08 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08847; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08834; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:57:05 -0500 Received: from theriver.com (a19.pm3-22.theriver.com [208.164.96.179]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2E725FE5; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:56:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39FCB8F4.DF17E463@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:55:32 -0800 From: Ray Bayles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kho Kwang Khoon Subject: Re: EBay & Thinkpad References: <4.3.1.0.20001029203234.00b0cd48@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well there is certainly more risk than buying from Shop IBM, but I have made a huge number of purchases on eBay and other than some disagreeable people regarding method of payment, I have had no bad luck... I have sometimes paid more than I should... I suggest you underbid a few times, then stay in close touch to see how it works... There are people who bid early, then don't bid again until there is only a minute or two left... that can cause disappointment. If you really know what you want, and know what you want to pay, then just learning who the sellers are can help you get exactly what you want. Patience also helps. Some days things sell high. Other days they sell low due to few bidders. Again, really know the equipment you want... such as model number and what that model number contains. A LOT of Thinkpad sales have units from which the CDROM, floppy drive, extra memory, or other items have been removed and sold separately. Getting these parts back into the system can be expensive. Ray From cph Sun Oct 29 21:04:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA01306 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:04:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20055; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:59:22 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19725; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19708; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:59:15 -0500 Received: from 208-58-192-136.s136.tnt9.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.192.136]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13q4ED-0006gy-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:59:13 -0500 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:00:07 -0500 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <157225882245.20001029210007@erols.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: what is this? In-reply-To: <000901c04034$671880b0$0200a8c0@laptop> References: <000901c04034$671880b0$0200a8c0@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I just brought my trusty 600 back from suspend to check email and I got a messageBox that says, "The battery pack will be once discharged. Then it will be charged automatically". My choices are ok and cancel. what is going on? -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Sun Oct 29 22:07:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA01610 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:07:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25066; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:02:14 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24610; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from wwcst269.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24594; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from wwcst269.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.23.14 -> wwcst269.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:02:08 -0500 Received: (qmail 27525 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Oct 2000 03:02:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20001030030203.27524.qmail@wwcst269.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.14 by wwcst269 for [24.163.172.50] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Mon Oct 30 03:02:03 GMT 2000 Date: 29 Oct 00 21:02:03 CST From: Rob Bell To: Donald MacQueen , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: what is this? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA01611 On some ThinkPads, especially older models, the ThinkPad power configuration utility had the ability to fully discharge and recharge the battery (to keep it conditioned). The message you are getting is exactly what that utility said. I'm guessing you have an older 600 that supports this. Clicking OK will not harm anything. I think you can even cancel out of the process once it starts. You should definitely be able to reboot and stop the discharge process. HTH, Rob Donald MacQueen wrote: > I just brought my trusty 600 back from suspend to check email and I > got a messageBox that says, "The battery pack will be once discharged. > Then it will be charged automatically". My choices are ok and > cancel. > > what is going on? > > > > > -- > Donald > > Donald M. MacQueen > Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] > ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Sun Oct 29 22:11:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA01632 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:11:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25417; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:07:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:05:28 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25044; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24994; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:05:13 -0500 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p22.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.85]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA98196 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:01:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:01:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200010300301.TAA98196@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: <200010300301.TAA98196@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" Resent-From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" X-Original-To: "jbrush@aros.net" Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:07:42 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760 Series-L2 Cache or not? List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:46:44 -0700, jbrush@aros.net wrote: >I am looking around for another 760E/EL/ED and when I check on the IBM >site, I see that only the 760E comes with an L2 Cache, which I consider >very important for speed. > >On ebay, and several other like sites, the specs on the machines say all >of the 760's have L2 Cache. > >Any opinions on who is right, and who is fibbing ? :-) I have run an PC >with the L2 cache disable and it turns a 166Mhz into a 486SX-25 so I don't >want a machine without the cache. > >Just wondering out loud. > >Sure is slow in here lately > AFAIK, all the 760Ex models have 256K of L2 cache. Not positive on the 760C/CD, but I think they should have the same amount also. The way cache, or L2, works is that frequently used code is stored and retrieved there so the CPU doesn't have to fetch it from the main memory, making programs run faster and more efficient. Then you have 16K (or is it 32K) in the CPU, which would be L1 cache. Paul From cph Sun Oct 29 22:12:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA01642 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:12:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26018; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:08:20 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25693; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25678; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:08:11 -0500 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p22.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.85]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA98293; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:04:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200010300304.TAA98293@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Donald MacQueen" Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:11:02 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: what is this? List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:00:07 -0500, Donald MacQueen wrote: >I just brought my trusty 600 back from suspend to check email and I >got a messageBox that says, "The battery pack will be once discharged. >Then it will be charged automatically". My choices are ok and >cancel. > >what is going on? > The machine's ThinkPad Utilities pops this up (happened every so often on my 760ED) when it detects the battery pack needs to be discharged completely to 0%, then charged completely back to 100%. The reason for this is it helps to prolong the battery life. Only problem is, expect on leaving the computer plugged into some form of external power (AC adapter, cigarette lighter adapter, etc) for at least 2-3 hours (what it took on my 760ED and 755C). If you click cancel, you can still use the battery, but to prolong your usable life, you should discharge it when you have time to do so. Hope this helps, Paul From cph Sun Oct 29 22:16:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA01658 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:16:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26906; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:12:22 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26609; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:12:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26585; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:12:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:12:16 -0500 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p22.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.85]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA98435; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:08:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200010300308.TAA98435@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "evenmere@juno.com" Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:15:07 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 730T floppy drive specs List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:37:09 -0500, evenmere@juno.com wrote: >I'm looking for an external drive for a IBM 730T pen tablet. A lot of >the sellers on ebay list their drives by Part Number (PN) and by FRU PN. > I'm not certain why two numbers. Can anyone tell me the part numbers I >need to get the correct drive? Also, do you know of any place to find >rebuilt/warrantied drives? I'd rather spend a little extra and get a >working drive than buy something on ebay that doesn't work. > James, the part number on my 730Tx drive is FRU 48G9896. I also have a drive (actually just the enclosure) from my 760ED that also works. It's FRU is 46H5749. Anything from the 730, 760Cx/Ex families should work fine. Keep in mind also that IBM tends to change part numbers from time to time, based on such trivial things like different colored eject buttons, whether the drive is a Sony or Teac, new case, etc (I've seen it all too much). Paul From cph Sun Oct 29 22:35:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA01758 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:35:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29111; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:32:14 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28845; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28825; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:32:03 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-409.gate.net [199.227.173.155]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA160260; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:31:39 -0500 Message-ID: <39FCEBE3.E93D7A90@gate.net> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:32:51 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mlingen@attglobal.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Max configuration for 365XD? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: that 365X series will take a 64meg part.. (EDO) and 6gig.. Mike Lingenfelter wrote: > Hi all, > > One of my elementary teachers has asked me to update her daughter's 365XD > laptop so that it will take her through the end of college. It presently > has 24MB of ram and a 1GB HDD. IBM lists 40MB as the max for ram and I > assume that a 6GB drive is the max for supported HDD space. > > Has anyone gone through the 40MB limitation and how did you accomplish that? > > Does anyone on the list have a suitable HDD and memory / accessories for > sale? > > Please contact me by my work email below. Thanks > > mwl@tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us > > Mike Lingenfelter > Technology Coordinator > Bellwood-Antis School District -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sun Oct 29 23:40:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA02031 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:40:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04298; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:37:15 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04024; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04007; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:37:07 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-402.gate.net [199.227.131.211]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29736; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:37:02 -0500 Message-ID: <39FCFB24.CB0297FA@gate.net> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:37:56 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kho Kwang Khoon CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EBay & Thinkpad References: <4.3.1.0.20001029203234.00b0cd48@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The thing about e-bay is: know your seller, DON'T, don't. NEVER send cash, there is no free lunch.. there are many reasons a person would sell a newer thinkpad.. he got an even newer one.. or any other reason.. Kho Kwang Khoon wrote: > I have never use Ebay before and would like to know from experienced > EBayers whether it is safe to purchase a used or refurbished notebook > through an EBay auction. Will buying direct from companies dealing with > such products such as egghead.com be a better alternative? > > I saw quite a number of Thinkpad 600X Pentium III 500MHz being auctioned on > Ebay even though it is a fairly new model. Does this imply that the owners > are not happy with their machines and are willing to part with them for > only a fraction of their original cost? On the other hand I could not find > any Thinkpad 390 being auction. I wonder why? > > Advice/input will be greatly appreciated. > > Kho -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sun Oct 29 23:56:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA02074 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:56:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05807; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:52:37 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05618; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from corb.mc.mpls.visi.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05604; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:52:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from corb.mc.mpls.visi.com (208.42.156.1 -> corb.mc.mpls.visi.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:52:29 -0500 Received: from zippy (171-143.dynamic.visi.com [209.98.171.143]) by corb.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6898A8115; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:52:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Chris Schumann" To: "Erich Knobil" , Subject: RE: Mistakenly disabled suspend -- now can't undo it Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:51:25 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I searched MS's knowledge base, and didn't find the exact answer, but I'm sure many of us would like to know, so be sure to post it once you find it. In the mean time, it did mention that if you have a laptop that has problems you can disable APM support, so try this to see if that has been done: Start->Settings->Control Panel, System, Device Manager, System Devices, Advanced Power Management support. Mine (600X running Win98SE) is set as follows: Disable in this hardware profile: Unchecked Remove from this hardware profile: Unchecked Force APM 1.0 mode: Unchecked Disable power status polling: Unchecked If those seem OK, try removing the device and let Win98 find it again. Keep us posted! Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Erich Knobil [mailto:eknobil@megsinet.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 8:35 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Mistakenly disabled suspend -- now can't undo it > > > My fingers were quicker than my brain, and I mistakenly dismissed some > windows dialog box on boot-up by answering "yes" to something that > asked me if I wanted to disable suspend mode. Much to my chagrin, I > can't seem to find where to undo this. According to the settings in > the power applet in Control Panel, as well as in the Battery MaxiMizer > wizard, suspend should be enabled, but it's not. Now when I close the > lid, I just get a beep. What am I missing? BTW, this is on a T20 > running Win98. Thanks in advance if you can help! > > -- Erich > > From cph Mon Oct 30 00:36:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA02505 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:36:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09088; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:33:27 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08877; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:33:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08861; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:33:21 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-402.gate.net [199.227.131.211]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03436; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:32:41 -0500 Message-ID: <39FD0843.EA72A884@gate.net> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:33:55 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jbrush@aros.net CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TrackPoint Caps References: <200010292055.NAA61785@mail.aros.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i give them away when someone buyes a HDD or a HDD shell.. :-) there IS a fellow who sells them, and i'm sure someone has his name and e-mail address.. jbrush@aros.net wrote: > Where can I buy replacements caps for the trackpoint on my 760? > > Thanks > > John -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Mon Oct 30 00:42:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA02527 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:42:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09804; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:39:52 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09523; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09510; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:39:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:39:47 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-402.gate.net [199.227.131.211]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA101350; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:39:24 -0500 Message-ID: <39FD09D5.3356FAF8@gate.net> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:40:37 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: J W CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CPU upgrade for thinkpads $300 to PII 400 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: For which thinkpad..?? from which vendor/manufacturer..?? it COULD be a good deal..! :-) so, in short.. WHO, WHERE..?? J W wrote: > This CPU daughter-board comes with required bios upgrade and is 100% > compatible with all software, accessories, etc. 256KB full-speed on-die > cache for maximum performance. > > Fully recognized as a Pentium II at 400MHz by IBM's bios and diagnostic > utilities. Brand New, shipped in ESD pouch,Complete with installation > instructions. > > anyone ? before i plunge $300 > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Mon Oct 30 00:53:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA02565 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:53:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10824; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:49:38 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10462; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10446; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:49:36 -0500 Received: from dwreid (tnt10-216-180-66-2.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.66.2]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e9U5nX721400 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:49:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006501c04235$30cb3ea0$0242b4d8@dwreid> From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: TP more on CPU upgrades older models Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:48:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I read some of the posts earlier about this, and low an behold on eBay there's a upgrade for a 360 that will convert one's 33mhz to a P133???? I didn't think this could be done but the guy has decent feedback and mentions this is a factory recond unit. Can such life be breathed back into one of these old thinkpads??? dave From cph Mon Oct 30 00:55:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA02574 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:55:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10631; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:48:37 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10401; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10388; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:48:35 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-402.gate.net [199.227.131.211]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA176390; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:48:12 -0500 Message-ID: <39FD0BE6.7575CA5@gate.net> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:49:26 -0500 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: J W CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CPU upgrade for thinkpads $300 to PII 400 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: it appears to be an upgrade for sale on ebay..! for $355 or more.. http://www.notebookupgrades.bigstep.com J W wrote: > This CPU daughter-board comes with required bios upgrade and is 100% > compatible with all software, accessories, etc. 256KB full-speed on-die > cache for maximum performance. > > Fully recognized as a Pentium II at 400MHz by IBM's bios and diagnostic > utilities. Brand New, shipped in ESD pouch,Complete with installation > instructions. > > anyone ? before i plunge $300 > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Mon Oct 30 01:40:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA02775 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 01:40:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13562; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 01:38:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 01:35:16 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13269; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 01:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13255; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 01:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 01:35:14 -0500 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-209.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.209]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9U6Z5101634; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:35:05 -0800 Message-ID: <39FD168E.2AB317B2@mail.orion.org> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:34:54 -0600 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Reid CC: ThinkPad-L Subject: Re: TP more on CPU upgrades older models References: <006501c04235$30cb3ea0$0242b4d8@dwreid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David Reid wrote: > > I read some of the posts earlier about this, and low an behold on eBay > there's a upgrade for a 360 that will convert one's 33mhz to a P133???? I > didn't think this could be done but the guy has decent feedback and mentions > this is a factory recond unit. > > Can such life be breathed back into one of these old thinkpads??? This is NOT a P133. It is an AMD 5x86 that runs at 133MHz. An AMD 5x86 is pin-for-pin compatible with a 486 chip. At 133MHz, its performance is comparable to a P75. In the "old days" when these chips were modern, a lot of people overclocked them to 160MHz and were able to get P100 performance levels. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Mon Oct 30 04:08:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA03585 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:08:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21277; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:07:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:05:13 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20935; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20915; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:05:09 -0500 Received: from tk-laptop (tk-laptop.egenet.com.tr [212.175.201.38]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA08449; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:03:24 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <200010300903.LAA08449@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "elecqaus@us.ibm.com" Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:03:41 +0200 Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.90.3000) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: :IBM email response to PRID#: CR%DDBB-4QFHABCR% List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:24:24 -0400, eqasend/Raleigh/IBM wrote: > Dear Mr. Kalfaoglu, > We are aware of this condition occuring on the A20 series > systems playing Direct3D games. At this time there is no > solution for the problem. Many thanks; do you think a future driver will be solving the problem, or will we have to send our thinkpads back for an upgrade of the ATI chip? Thanks, -turgut ------------ EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Mon Oct 30 04:47:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA03733 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:47:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23169; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:44:43 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22897; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22884; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (24.30.163.11 -> laxmls02.socal.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:44:41 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (sc-24-24-233-88.socal.rr.com [24.24.233.88]) by laxmls02.socal.rr.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9U9hZ325836 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 01:43:35 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: mikeford@pop-server.socal.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39FCEBE3.E93D7A90@gate.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 01:40:17 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: Max configuration for 365XD? List-Unsubscribe: >that 365X series will take a 64meg part.. (EDO) >> One of my elementary teachers has asked me to update her daughter's 365XD Please give the details on that, I have always seen 40 MB as the maximum. From cph Mon Oct 30 05:32:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA03879 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:32:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28494; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:31:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:27:58 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28263; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28250; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.226 -> blount.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:27:56 -0500 Received: from messenger ([209.86.147.144]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA31904 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:27:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004001c0425c$813480a0$909356d1@messenger> From: "Thomas Lewis" To: Subject: Advice needed on purchase of new A series Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:30:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Greetings everyone, I'm new to the list and have only been monitoring for a few days. I'm about to purchase an A##p series and I'm wondering if there are any reasons to spend the extra money on the A21p (only offered in 850 MHz) when there appear to be some A20p's (750 MHz) available that should serve my needs just as well. A recent message to the list about a problem with the ATI video card concerns me. Could someone please get me up to speed on the situation. I'm basically trying to replace the functions of a desktop and put together a mobile system capable of doing some video capturing and CD burning. Thanks, Tom From cph Mon Oct 30 06:07:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA03982 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:07:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00816; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:04:26 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00647; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00624; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:04:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (206.46.170.22 -> smtppop3pub.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:04:18 -0500 Received: from evrtwa1-ar5-244-140.dsl.gtei.net (evrtwa1-ar5-244-140.dsl.gtei.net [4.35.244.140]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id FAA46511816 Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:00:09 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200010301100.FAA46511816@smtppop3pub.verizon.net> From: "LightSide/ Click" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 03:16:13 +0000 Reply-To: "LightSide/ Click" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Max configuration for 365XD? List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:32:51 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: Now that is a BIOS limitation on the HD issue right? Robert >that 365X series will take a 64meg part.. (EDO) >and >6gig.. >Mike Lingenfelter wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> One of my elementary teachers has asked me to update her daughter's 365XD >> laptop so that it will take her through the end of college. It presently >> has 24MB of ram and a 1GB HDD. IBM lists 40MB as the max for ram and I >> assume that a 6GB drive is the max for supported HDD space. >> >> Has anyone gone through the 40MB limitation and how did you accomplish that? >> >> Does anyone on the list have a suitable HDD and memory / accessories for >> sale? From cph Mon Oct 30 06:13:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA04021 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:13:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01431; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:10:16 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01247; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:10:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01234; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (206.46.170.22 -> smtppop3pub.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:10:01 -0500 Received: from evrtwa1-ar5-244-140.dsl.gtei.net (evrtwa1-ar5-244-140.dsl.gtei.net [4.35.244.140]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id FAA47247361 Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:05:52 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200010301105.FAA47247361@smtppop3pub.verizon.net> From: "LightSide/ Click" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 03:21:56 +0000 Reply-To: "LightSide/ Click" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: EBay & Thinkpad List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:37:56 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >The thing about e-bay is: >know your seller, >DON'T, don't. NEVER send cash, >there is no free lunch.. > >there are many reasons a person would sell a newer thinkpad.. >he got an even newer one.. >or any other reason.. I saw a low end T-20 on ebay go for $2,400.00. Too bad they didn't look at Shop IBM for a significantly lower price. Robert From cph Mon Oct 30 06:19:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA04043 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:19:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02103; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:16:21 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01921; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01892; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (206.46.170.22 -> smtppop3pub.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:15:51 -0500 Received: from evrtwa1-ar5-244-140.dsl.gtei.net (evrtwa1-ar5-244-140.dsl.gtei.net [4.35.244.140]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id FAA42146034 Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:11:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200010301111.FAA42146034@smtppop3pub.verizon.net> From: "LightSide/ Click" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 03:27:41 +0000 Reply-To: "LightSide/ Click" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Advice needed on purchase of new A series List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:30:09 -0500, Thomas Lewis wrote: >Greetings everyone, > I'm new to the list and have only been monitoring for a few days. I'm >about to purchase an A##p series and I'm wondering if there are any reasons >to spend the extra money on the A21p (only offered in 850 MHz) when there >appear to be some A20p's (750 MHz) available that should serve my needs just >as well. A recent message to the list about a problem with the ATI video >card concerns me. Could someone please get me up to speed on the situation. >I'm basically trying to replace the functions of a desktop and put together >a mobile system capable of doing some video capturing and CD burning. > >Thanks, Tom I've always said the slight increase in processor power is little compared to the increase in memory. I'll ask the guy at work who is working with the A## series. See what his opinion is. Robert From cph Mon Oct 30 07:34:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA04681 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:34:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05187; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:31:02 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04756; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04739; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:31:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:31:00 -0500 Received: from p3-1ghz (client-151-204-210-34.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.34]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA06045 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:30:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001030071745.027ff100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:30:56 -0500 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Advice needed on purchase of new A series In-Reply-To: <004001c0425c$813480a0$909356d1@messenger> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 05:30 AM 10/30/00 -0500, Thomas Lewis wrote: >Greetings everyone, > I'm new to the list and have only been monitoring for a few days. I'm >about to purchase an A##p series and I'm wondering if there are any reasons >to spend the extra money on the A21p (only offered in 850 MHz) when there >appear to be some A20p's (750 MHz) available that should serve my needs just >as well. A recent message to the list about a problem with the ATI video >card concerns me. Could someone please get me up to speed on the situation. >I'm basically trying to replace the functions of a desktop and put together >a mobile system capable of doing some video capturing and CD burning. IMHO, the A20p is plenty fast. I've been playing around with an A21p, and the extra HD space is nice, but the screen is *very* small. I'm 29, and I have good vision, and even I think 1600x1200 on a 15" TFT is pushing the pixel density a wee bit too much. One of these H2Us I have compared to a 6AU doesn't yield earth shattering differences in benchmarks that merit the price difference. If you want the 1600x1200 extreme resolution (UXGA), then get the A21p. If you need more than 20gigs of HD space, get the A21p. If 20gigs and 1400x1050 (SXGA+) resolution is more than enough, get an A20p and save a grand or so. I had a client give back a much hawked after A21p he just HAD to have and I scoured the freakin' earth for it and he swapped it for an extra A20p we had here because the screen resolution was too much for him. That gave me a chance to spend 3-4 days with it before reconfiguring it and moving it onto another client. IBM has discontinued production of the A20p series, but you can find units out there at other 3rd party vendor sites. I am hard pressed to use up 20gigs of HD space and 1400x1050 is the sweet spot for me (6AU) I'm quickly finding out. Sheesh, I actually was hard pressed to use up the 14.1gig in my 770z (8AU) before, but 1280x1024 was a *wee* bit smaller than I would have liked, but 1600x1200 is overkill. I kind of hope IBM offers an A21p with the 850 but 1400x1050 screen. Games slow down within Windows 98SE under the preload Win98SE install on A2xP models. The only work around is to install ACPI instead of the stock APM support from the pre-install. This means you will lose some functionality in regards to power management. If you run Win2K, this is a non-issue. It isn't a hardware problem. It is definitely software. Mark From cph Mon Oct 30 07:44:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA04736 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:44:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06028; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:41:25 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05792; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05779; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:41:24 -0500 Received: from r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com ([209.122.72.23] helo=richard) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13qEFf-0003fQ-00 ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:41:23 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20001030073936.01914498@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:41:22 -0500 To: Mark Bell From: richard Subject: Re: Advice needed on purchase of new A series Cc: In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001030071745.027ff100@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> References: <004001c0425c$813480a0$909356d1@messenger> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Can you set fonts to a larger size, so that screen items are a more readable size? At 07:30 AM 10/30/2000 -0500, Mark Bell wrote: IMHO, the A20p is plenty fast. I've been playing around with an A21p, and the >extra HD space is nice, but the screen is *very* small. I'm 29, and I have >good >vision, and even I think 1600x1200 on a 15" TFT is pushing the pixel density >a wee bit too much. From cph Mon Oct 30 08:21:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA05154 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:21:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09298; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:19:38 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09050; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09037; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:19:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:19:37 -0500 Received: from 216-164-139-235.s489.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.139.235]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13qEqd-0002e5-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:19:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:20:30 -0500 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <109266705328.20001030082030@erols.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760xd at computerGeeks for $549 In-reply-To: <4.2.2.20001030073936.01914498@pop.rcn.com> References: <004001c0425c$813480a0$909356d1@messenger> <4.2.2.20001030073936.01914498@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=205-8477 -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Mon Oct 30 12:08:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA07030 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:08:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06604; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:00:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:51:52 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05281; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05266; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:51:47 -0500 Received: from messenger (user-38ld081.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.129.1]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA32613 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:51:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000001c04292$188e20c0$018156d1@messenger> From: "Thomas Lewis" To: References: <4.2.0.58.20001030071745.027ff100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: Advice needed on purchase of new A series Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:19:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: > If 20gigs and 1400x1050 (SXGA+) resolution is more than enough, get an > A20p and save a grand or so. That is what I had concluded. I just wanted to make sure that there were no "updates" in the A21 that were important. A second Ultrabay HD is on my wishlist as a future enhancement anyway. > Games slow down within Windows 98SE under the preload Win98SE > install on A2xP models. >If you run Win2K, this is a non-issue. It isn't a hardware > problem. It is definitely software. Great. I had already decided to go with W2K for other reasons. Thanks, Tom From cph Mon Oct 30 13:45:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA08292 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:45:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20965; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:41:55 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20364; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20351; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:41:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:41:53 -0500 Received: from theriver.com (a7.pm3-16.theriver.com [208.164.96.119]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C8F26BC0; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:31:28 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39FDBE5B.D765EA5B@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:30:51 -0800 From: Ray Bayles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Lewis Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Advice needed on purchase of new A series References: <004001c0425c$813480a0$909356d1@messenger> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My sources tell me there is a better screen and a better graphics card... but I do not know that from my own observation or experience. Ray From cph Mon Oct 30 14:46:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA09073 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:46:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28337; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:41:35 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27942; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmgaac.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27927; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from spdmgaac.compuserve.com (149.174.206.136 -> ds-img-3.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:41:32 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id OAA04617 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:41:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:40:33 -0500 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Urban Myth or fact?? Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200010301440_MC2-B8F0-4385@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA09074 Someone has told me to be careful when attempting to buy a second user TP600 as they have High Frquency transmitters built in so that any stolen units can be tracked??? Fact or myth?? Cheers Mark UK From cph Mon Oct 30 15:14:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA09403 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:14:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01701; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:04:44 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01126; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:04:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01108; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:04:41 -0500 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA17492; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:04:13 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002801c042ac$8ca7f700$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Mark Gardiner" <100550.3170@compuserve.com>, "thinkpad" References: <200010301440_MC2-B8F0-4385@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Urban Myth or fact?? Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:04:01 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > Someone has told me to be careful when attempting to buy a second user > TP600 as they have High Frquency transmitters built in so that any stolen > units can be tracked??? > > Fact or myth?? (1) Transmitter or no, you should always make sure you are not buying a stolen machine. (2) In the US, such a transmitter would certainly make FCC certification difficult! (3) This would have a major impact on battery life, so it is unlikely IBM would include it unless they also advertised it loudly as a feature. I'm betting on 'myth'. - David R. From cph Mon Oct 30 15:23:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA09507 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:23:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03396; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:17:52 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03145; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03064; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (209.228.12.70 -> c014-h006.c014.sfo.cp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:17:27 -0500 Received: (cpmta 25101 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2000 12:17:18 -0800 Date: 30 Oct 2000 12:17:18 -0800 Message-ID: <20001030201718.25100.cpmta@c014.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 30 Oct 2000 20:17:18 GMT Received: from [199.35.124.240] by mail.flashcom.net with HTTP; 30 Oct 2000 12:17:18 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ross@math.hawaii.edu From: Tom Franklin Cc: 100550.3170@compuserve.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: Urban Myth or fact?? X-Sent-From: franklin@flashcom.net List-Unsubscribe: Some Thinkpads have a passive RF ID transmitter. These devices transmit serial number information when stimulated by a reader. The power for these devices comes from the reader much like those tags implanted in pets. > > Someone has told me to be careful when attempting to buy a second user > > TP600 as they have High Frquency transmitters built in so that any stolen > > units can be tracked??? > > > > Fact or myth?? From cph Mon Oct 30 15:26:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA09534 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:26:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04387; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:22:43 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03995; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03981; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:22:37 -0500 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.77.196]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001030202235.DIPU18967.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:22:35 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001030152517.01e17850@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:25:17 -0500 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Urban Myth or fact?? In-Reply-To: <002801c042ac$8ca7f700$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> References: <200010301440_MC2-B8F0-4385@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:04 AM 10/30/2000 -1000, David Ross wrote: >(1) Transmitter or no, you should always make sure you are not buying a stolen >machine. > >(2) In the US, such a transmitter would certainly make FCC certification >difficult! > >(3) This would have a major impact on battery life, so it is unlikely IBM would >include it unless >they also advertised it loudly as a feature. > >I'm betting on 'myth'. > Could the basis for this be the optional Asset-ID tracker? It uses wireless RF. From cph Mon Oct 30 15:48:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA09772 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:48:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06494; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:40:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:38:39 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06172; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06153; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:38:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (207.254.7.35 -> ppp7-35.neta.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:38:23 -0500 Received: (from jones@localhost) by box3.pyrrhusoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA13088; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:36:57 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:36:57 -0700 Message-Id: <200010302036.NAA13088@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> From: David Jones To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP240] Porfolio Case? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Is there a portfolio case for the 240? Thanks, David Jones From cph Mon Oct 30 16:38:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA10599 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:38:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13142; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:32:26 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12287; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:32:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12268; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:32:22 -0500 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA17935 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:32:19 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003e01c042b8$db927c80$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <200010301440_MC2-B8F0-4385@compuserve.com> <3.0.1.32.20001030152517.01e17850@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Urban Myth or fact?? Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:32:08 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > Could the basis for this be the optional Asset-ID tracker? It uses > wireless RF. What Tom called a "passive transmitter". Sounds plausible, though not what the word "transmitter" usually brings to mind! David R. (Whose bicycle apparently has a rear view passive image transmitter on the handlebars and passive light transmitter tape on the tubing:-) From cph Mon Oct 30 16:41:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA10651 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:41:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13874; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:37:28 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13382; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13369; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:37:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:37:26 -0500 Received: from p3-1ghz (client-151-204-210-99.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.99]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA02802; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:37:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001030163658.02bfc100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:37:26 -0500 To: richard From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Advice needed on purchase of new A series Cc: In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20001030073936.01914498@pop.rcn.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20001030071745.027ff100@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <004001c0425c$813480a0$909356d1@messenger> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Yes, but this can cause distortions in some dialog boxes and it isn't always uniform across all applications. Mark At 07:41 AM 10/30/00 -0500, richard wrote: >Can you set fonts to a larger size, so that screen items are a more >readable size? > >At 07:30 AM 10/30/2000 -0500, Mark Bell wrote: >IMHO, the A20p is plenty fast. I've been playing around with an A21p, and the >>extra HD space is nice, but the screen is *very* small. I'm 29, and I >>have good >>vision, and even I think 1600x1200 on a 15" TFT is pushing the pixel density >>a wee bit too much. From cph Mon Oct 30 16:43:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA10671 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:43:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14255; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:38:47 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13712; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13698; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:38:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:38:41 -0500 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA17964 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:38:38 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <004401c042b9$bd1ab140$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: <200010302036.NAA13088@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> Subject: Re: [TP240] Porfolio Case? Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:38:27 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > Is there a portfolio case for the 240? The Port Thinkpad 240 case (IBM part # 01N0835) says it comes with a portfolio insert. The case itself is awfully heavy (3.8 pounds); I was recently complaining here about the weight of my new Brenthaven case, which is only 1.7 pounds. - David R. From cph Mon Oct 30 16:55:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA10824 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:55:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16563; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:52:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:49:39 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16118; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16050; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:49:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:49:14 -0500 Received: from p3-1ghz (client-151-204-210-99.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.99]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11430 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:49:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001030164157.02bf8100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:49:11 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Advice needed on purchase of new A series In-Reply-To: <39FDBE5B.D765EA5B@theriver.com> References: <004001c0425c$813480a0$909356d1@messenger> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_39036363==_.ALT" List-Unsubscribe: --=====================_39036363==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:30 AM 10/30/00 -0800, Ray Bayles wrote: >My sources tell me there is a better screen and a better graphics >card... but I do not know that from my own observation or experience. Better screen, but same graphics card. A21p = UXGA (1600x1200) A20p = SXGA+ (1400x1050) Graphics card on both = ATI Rage Mobility 128/16 meg If you want the extreme resolution, go with the UXGA, but IMHO that is too high a resolution on a 15" panel. After 2-3hrs of use I found myself straining to look at various visual attributes. The 32gig HD is faster, but I am hard pressed to fill 20gigs on my A20p let alone the 14gig on my 770z. Like I said before, if you need the extreme resolution or can see yourself tearing through 20gigs fast, go with an A21p. If 1400x1050 is more than enough and 20gigs is big enough, say a nice chunk of change and get an A20p and juice up it's memory, get a docking station (or replicator) and some other toys....er.....ACCESSORIES for it. :) Mark --=====================_39036363==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 10:30 AM 10/30/00 -0800, Ray Bayles wrote:
My sources tell me there is a better screen and a better graphics
card... but I do not know that from my own observation or experience.


Better screen, but same graphics card.

A21p = UXGA   (1600x1200)
A20p = SXGA+ (1400x1050)

Graphics card on both = ATI Rage Mobility 128/16 meg

If you want the extreme resolution, go with the UXGA, but IMHO
that is too high a resolution on a 15" panel. After 2-3hrs of use I
found myself straining to look at various visual attributes.

The 32gig HD is faster, but I am hard pressed to fill 20gigs on my
A20p let alone the 14gig on my 770z.

Like I said before, if you need the extreme resolution or can see
yourself tearing through 20gigs fast, go with an A21p. If 1400x1050
is more than enough and 20gigs is big enough, say a nice chunk
of change and get an A20p and juice up it's memory, get a docking
station (or replicator) and some other toys....er.....ACCESSORIES
for it. :)

Mark




 

--=====================_39036363==_.ALT-- From cph Mon Oct 30 19:00:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA11951 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:00:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00297; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:58:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:52:42 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29495; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29478; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:52:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (207.254.7.99 -> ppp7-99.neta.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:52:26 -0500 Received: (from jones@localhost) by box3.pyrrhusoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id QAA13491; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:50:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:50:09 -0700 Message-Id: <200010302350.QAA13491@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> From: David Jones To: ross@math.hawaii.edu CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP240] Porfolio Case? List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for your note. I had seen the Port combination but really just wanted the portfolio. It seems a bit excessive to put a very light sub-notebook (2.9lb) into a 3.8lb case! This is for my wife and for her every oz counts! From: "David Ross" Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:38:27 -1000 > Is there a portfolio case for the 240? The Port Thinkpad 240 case (IBM part # 01N0835) says it comes with a portfolio insert. The case itself is awfully heavy (3.8 pounds); I was recently complaining here about the weight of my new Brenthaven case, which is only 1.7 pounds. - David R. From cph Mon Oct 30 19:32:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA12192 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:32:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02650; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:21:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:19:53 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02364; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:19:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02345; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:19:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200010310019.TAA02345@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:19:43 -0500 Received: from slip202-135-81-34.bg.th.ibm.net ([202.135.81.34]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000103100191520103ouc7ee>; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:19:17 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "David Ross" , "Mark Gardiner" <100550.3170@compuserve.com>, "thinkpad" Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:18:26 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Urban Myth or fact?? List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:04:01 -1000, David Ross wrote: There is an RFID option which large firms typically use for inventory control purposes. Jeffrey Race From cph Mon Oct 30 20:20:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA12845 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:20:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08636; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:10:40 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08057; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08042; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:10:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (64.4.14.117 -> oe13.law10.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:10:37 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:10:35 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [203.79.232.30] From: "Tzukuang Chang" To: "David Jones" , References: <200010302350.QAA13491@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> Subject: Re: [TP240] Porfolio Case? Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:10:36 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2000 01:10:35.0712 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FAF9C00:01C042D7] List-Unsubscribe: Port do have another portfolio type case for the Toshiba Portege 3XXX series which I believe will fit TP240 just fine. However, the Portege portfolio is thinner and smaller than the TP240 portfolio, so you will not be able to put the AC adapter and cables into the portfolio with TP240. > Thanks for your note. I had seen the Port combination but really just > wanted the portfolio. It seems a bit excessive to put a very light > sub-notebook (2.9lb) into a 3.8lb case! This is for my wife and for > her every oz counts! From cph Mon Oct 30 20:54:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA13088 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:54:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12517; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:51:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:47:44 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11973; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11951; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:47:41 -0500 Received: from user-38lcmno.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcmno.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.248]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA27793; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:47:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200010310147.UAA27793@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Shawn Lin" Cc: "ThinkPad-L" Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:48:37 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <39FD168E.2AB317B2@mail.orion.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP more on CPU upgrades older models List-Unsubscribe: With one Mb L2 cache one can get p90 performance levels without overclocking. Too bad the TP's can't upgrade the slim 256K as found in my model 760CD. On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:34:54 -0600, Shawn Lin wrote: >David Reid wrote: >> >> I read some of the posts earlier about this, and low an behold on eBay >> there's a upgrade for a 360 that will convert one's 33mhz to a P133???? I >> didn't think this could be done but the guy has decent feedback and mentions >> this is a factory recond unit. >> >> Can such life be breathed back into one of these old thinkpads??? > >This is NOT a P133. It is an AMD 5x86 that runs at 133MHz. An AMD 5x86 >is pin-for-pin compatible with a 486 chip. At 133MHz, its performance >is comparable to a P75. In the "old days" when these chips were modern, >a lot of people overclocked them to 160MHz and were able to get P100 >performance levels. > >Shawn > > > >________________________________________________________ > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Oct 31 01:13:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA15141 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:13:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01759; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:07:03 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01272; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01258; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:06:58 -0500 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA20095 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:06:53 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002801c04300$be67ab60$608d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad-L" References: <200010310147.UAA27793@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: TP more on CPU upgrades older models Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:06:32 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: The speed increase is nevertheless substantial, especially coming from a 486-33; see http://www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross/cpu.shtml (which I keep meaning to take down since it is very obsolete, but it still seems to average around 5 hits/day so *someone* must be interested:-) - David R. > With one Mb L2 cache one can get p90 performance levels > without overclocking. Too bad the TP's can't upgrade the > slim 256K as found in my model 760CD. > > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:34:54 -0600, Shawn Lin wrote: > > >David Reid wrote: > >> > >> I read some of the posts earlier about this, and low an behold on eBay > >> there's a upgrade for a 360 that will convert one's 33mhz to a P133???? I > >> didn't think this could be done but the guy has decent feedback and mentions > >> this is a factory recond unit. > >> > >> Can such life be breathed back into one of these old thinkpads??? > > > >This is NOT a P133. It is an AMD 5x86 that runs at 133MHz. An AMD 5x86 > >is pin-for-pin compatible with a 486 chip. At 133MHz, its performance > >is comparable to a P75. In the "old days" when these chips were modern, > >a lot of people overclocked them to 160MHz and were able to get P100 > >performance levels. > > > >Shawn > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________ > > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com > > > From cph Tue Oct 31 01:50:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA15318 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:50:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03569; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:46:49 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03059; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03045; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (194.29.192.20 -> netsonic.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:46:45 -0500 Received: from TP560X (letku107.adsl.netsonic.fi [194.29.195.107]) by nalle.netsonic.fi (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e9V6kS715121 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:46:28 +0200 Message-Id: <200010310646.e9V6kS715121@nalle.netsonic.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:46:27 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: WTB: TP570 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Would anyone like to part from their TP570? I'm looking for a unit in good condition. I don't care too much about CPU (even PII/333 will do), but I want the 13.3" display. HD size indifferent (even a diskless unit will do). UltraBase would be a definite plus, and so would installed RAM >= 128 MB. I'm prepared to pay a decent price for the right unit. Thanks, Dominique From cph Tue Oct 31 01:51:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA15323 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:51:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03557; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:49:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:47:26 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03102; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03089; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:47:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:47:24 -0500 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip129-37-224-44.mo.us.prserv.net [129.37.224.44]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9V6lAa20400; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:47:10 -0800 Message-ID: <39FE6AE4.47B35B2E@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:47:00 -0600 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard CC: ThinkPad-L Subject: Re: TP more on CPU upgrades older models References: <200010310147.UAA27793@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Allan Ballard wrote: > > With one Mb L2 cache one can get p90 performance levels > without overclocking. Too bad the TP's can't upgrade the > slim 256K as found in my model 760CD. My 560X also only has 256k L2 cache. I've been thinking about upgrading it to 512k, but I'd hate to cripple the machine since this requires some fairly delicate soldering. If larger SRAMs will fit on the same solder pads, however, I think it should be possible and not entirely too difficult to upgrade the cache. Need to look at some datasheets! Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Oct 31 01:54:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA15330 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:54:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04338; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:51:54 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04131; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04118; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:51:44 -0500 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip129-37-224-44.mo.us.prserv.net [129.37.224.44]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9V6pYa20770; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:51:35 -0800 Message-ID: <39FE6BED.D5993DCF@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:51:25 -0600 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: ThinkPad-L Subject: Re: TP more on CPU upgrades older models References: <200010310147.UAA27793@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> <002801c04300$be67ab60$608d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David Ross wrote: > > The speed increase is nevertheless substantial, especially coming from a > 486-33; see http://www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross/cpu.shtml (which I keep meaning to > take down since it is very obsolete, > but it still seems to average around 5 hits/day so *someone* must be > interested:-) Definitely still interesting, I think you should leave it up. I had an IBM PC110 palmtop and would LOVE to have upgraded its puny 486SX-33 CPU to an AMD 5x86-133. However, turns out that thing had a RARE Ricoh-branded 486 chip in a BGA package. I wonder what's a necessary requirement of the BIOS? Replacing the chip itself wouldn't be all THAT difficult. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Oct 31 04:12:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA16062 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:12:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10743; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:08:44 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10570; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10557; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:08:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:08:42 -0500 Received: from user-38lcih2.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcih2.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.74.34]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA29533; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:08:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200010310908.EAA29533@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "David Ross" , "ThinkPad-L" Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:09:39 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <002801c04300$be67ab60$608d273f@math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP more on CPU upgrades older models List-Unsubscribe: What is your opinion on Cyrix chips vs AMD? On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:06:32 -1000, David Ross wrote: >The speed increase is nevertheless substantial, especially coming from a >486-33; see http://www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross/cpu.shtml (which I keep meaning to >take down since it is very obsolete, >but it still seems to average around 5 hits/day so *someone* must be >interested:-) > >- David R. > >> With one Mb L2 cache one can get p90 performance levels >> without overclocking. Too bad the TP's can't upgrade the >> slim 256K as found in my model 760CD. >> >> On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:34:54 -0600, Shawn Lin wrote: >> >> >David Reid wrote: >> >> >> >> I read some of the posts earlier about this, and low an behold on eBay >> >> there's a upgrade for a 360 that will convert one's 33mhz to a P133???? I >> >> didn't think this could be done but the guy has decent feedback and >mentions >> >> this is a factory recond unit. >> >> >> >> Can such life be breathed back into one of these old thinkpads??? >> > >> >This is NOT a P133. It is an AMD 5x86 that runs at 133MHz. An AMD 5x86 >> >is pin-for-pin compatible with a 486 chip. At 133MHz, its performance >> >is comparable to a P75. In the "old days" when these chips were modern, >> >a lot of people overclocked them to 160MHz and were able to get P100 >> >performance levels. >> > >> >Shawn >> > >> > >> > >> >________________________________________________________ >> > 1stUp.com - Free the Web >> > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com >> >> >> > From cph Tue Oct 31 04:24:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA16121 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:24:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11785; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:21:50 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11561; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11548; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:21:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:21:48 -0500 Received: from dallas (ip191.bedford2.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.10.191]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e9V9Lkb11169 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:21:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: TP more on CPU upgrades older models Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:23:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c0431c$3718c790$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 In-Reply-To: <200010310908.EAA29533@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> List-Unsubscribe: If you can put a regular one in a laptop without melting the laptop, I'll give you a prize. Cyrixes of the 486 era, or even the Cyrix 5x86-120, are inferior to AMD's products, mostly in the fact that they suck too much power and generate too much heat for what they do. The FPUs were also horrible compared to even AMD's mediocre FPU. The Cyrix 5x86-120 had P90 level performance, but it ran hot as hell, and if you didn't have the special driver to enable the branch prediction the chip easily performed WORSE than a P60 without that function turned on. I compared the AMD 486-120 against the Cyrix 5x86-120, and ended up putting the AMD back in because I didn't see much of a difference in performance. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 4:10 AM > To: David Ross; ThinkPad-L > Subject: Re: TP more on CPU upgrades older models > > > What is your opinion on Cyrix chips vs AMD? > > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:06:32 -1000, David Ross wrote: > > >The speed increase is nevertheless substantial, especially coming from a > >486-33; see http://www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross/cpu.shtml (which I > keep meaning to > >take down since it is very obsolete, > >but it still seems to average around 5 hits/day so *someone* must be > >interested:-) > > > >- David R. > > > >> With one Mb L2 cache one can get p90 performance levels > >> without overclocking. Too bad the TP's can't upgrade the > >> slim 256K as found in my model 760CD. > >> > >> On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:34:54 -0600, Shawn Lin wrote: > >> > >> >David Reid wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I read some of the posts earlier about this, and low an > behold on eBay > >> >> there's a upgrade for a 360 that will convert one's 33mhz > to a P133???? I > >> >> didn't think this could be done but the guy has decent feedback and > >mentions > >> >> this is a factory recond unit. > >> >> > >> >> Can such life be breathed back into one of these old thinkpads??? > >> > > >> >This is NOT a P133. It is an AMD 5x86 that runs at 133MHz. > An AMD 5x86 > >> >is pin-for-pin compatible with a 486 chip. At 133MHz, its performance > >> >is comparable to a P75. In the "old days" when these chips > were modern, > >> >a lot of people overclocked them to 160MHz and were able to get P100 > >> >performance levels. > >> > > >> >Shawn > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >________________________________________________________ > >> > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > >> > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > From cph Tue Oct 31 04:53:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA16215 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:53:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13037; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:50:13 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12861; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12848; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:50:10 -0500 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA20573; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:49:41 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001301c0431f$de0cc580$1462183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Allan Ballard" , "ThinkPad-L" References: <200010310908.EAA29533@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: TP more on CPU upgrades older models Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:49:25 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > What is your opinion on Cyrix chips vs AMD? I don't know of any laptop upgrades based on the Cyrix chips. The relative advantage of the last Cyrix 486 replacement and the AMD 586 was a heated one for years on comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips, eventually it might have migrated to alt.religion. - David R.