From cph Tue Aug 1 00:07:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA15453 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:07:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13351; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:05:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13215; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13201; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:05:00 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA00242; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:04:59 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA05543; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000731205211.011e7bc8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:04:56 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! In-Reply-To: <200008010257.WAA12772@garnet.sover.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20000731192717.011e7a00@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 10:57 PM 7/31/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Why must you show up here flaming everytime someone says anything you don't >agree with? Check the thread again, if you care one iota about the truth (but you don't, and never have). It was John who managed to take a post asking for help on a 14xx series hardware issue and somehow turn it into an anti-windows rant. It took an OS/2 bigot who couldn't resist the urge to begin another flame war where there wasn't even a reference to an operating system anywhere in the posting. David and I just set the record straight. But clarifying the inaccuracies of that rant is uncomfortable for you, so you instead consider it a flame. From cph Tue Aug 1 01:09:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA15685 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:09:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17971; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:06:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17846; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17833; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.110 -> pilot010.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:06:35 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm453-00.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.154]) by pilot010.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA42584 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:06:33 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000801010235.00e3a100@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 01:07:08 -0400 To: "ThinkPad-L" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: TP Network cards Recomendations? In-Reply-To: <004701bffb60$26836240$6401a8c0@tp1480> References: <005b01bffb59$06c68d80$fd41b4d8@davidreidmob> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: This might be a good time to ask, since we're talking about NIC's for ThinkPad's: Who besides Xircom makes ethernet cards with an integrated RJ-45 connector? I have the Xircom RBE card and works at 10/100Mbits. The modem works but isn't very good unfortunately. I might be curious about trying out other NIC's, but I *really* want to stay with the RJ-45 system: dongles just reek too much! --STeve Andre' At 10:28 PM 7/31/00 -0400, Jim Biggerstaff wrote: >You don't mention what model Thinkpad you are using. More recent Thinkpads >have Cardbus slots, older models have "plain" PCMCIA (also called PC-CARD) >slots. Your manual should tell you what you have. > >Let me second the motion for a card with the integrated RJ-45 connector (not >Xjack). A very desirable feature. > >jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Reid" >To: "ThinkPad-L" >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 9:36 PM >Subject: TP Network cards Recomendations? > > > > I need to get a NIC for my TP but not sure what to get I'm looking a the > > following here in a pcConnection catalog but don't understand the > > differences. > > > > Linksys with integrated RJ45 port > > > > EtherFast 10/100 Integrated PC Card 16bit > > EtherFast 10/100 Integrated CardBus PC Card > > EtherFast 10/100 PCMCIA PC Card 16bit > > EtherFast 10/100 CardBus PC Card 32bit > > > > Perhaps the last two simply don't have the integrated connection for the > > RJ45. Anyway, which card is desireable? I don't have a network at home > > yet, but have a couple of work locations that I need to be able to "hook >up" > > to. Standard MS Windows networks. > > > > Thanks > > > > dave > > From cph Tue Aug 1 01:26:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA15758 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:26:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18879; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:22:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18707; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18693; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:22:32 -0400 Received: from davidreidmob (tnt10-216-180-65-47.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.47]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e715MTj13123; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:22:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005c01bffb78$738e0dc0$d841b4d8@davidreidmob> From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" , "STeve Andre'" References: <005b01bffb59$06c68d80$fd41b4d8@davidreidmob> <4.3.2.7.0.20000801010235.00e3a100@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: TP Network cards Recomendations? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:19:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: The one that resulted in my post to the list is the Linksys Integrated 10/100 PCCard 16 and CardBus cards. The photo in pcConnection catalog dipicts the housing where you plug in the RJ 45 to be quite large (as would be expected to plug in) Search pcConnection for "linksys etherfast" or click here http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=193008 ----- Original Message ----- From: "STeve Andre'" To: "ThinkPad-L" Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 12:07 AM Subject: Re: TP Network cards Recomendations? > This might be a good time to ask, since we're talking about NIC's for > ThinkPad's: > > Who besides Xircom makes ethernet cards with an integrated RJ-45 connector? > I have the Xircom RBE card and works at 10/100Mbits. The modem works but > isn't very good unfortunately. I might be curious about trying out other > NIC's, but > I *really* want to stay with the RJ-45 system: dongles just reek too much! > > --STeve Andre' > > At 10:28 PM 7/31/00 -0400, Jim Biggerstaff wrote: > >You don't mention what model Thinkpad you are using. More recent Thinkpads > >have Cardbus slots, older models have "plain" PCMCIA (also called PC-CARD) > >slots. Your manual should tell you what you have. > > > >Let me second the motion for a card with the integrated RJ-45 connector (not > >Xjack). A very desirable feature. > > > >jim > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "David Reid" > >To: "ThinkPad-L" > >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 9:36 PM > >Subject: TP Network cards Recomendations? > > > > > > > I need to get a NIC for my TP but not sure what to get I'm looking a the > > > following here in a pcConnection catalog but don't understand the > > > differences. > > > > > > Linksys with integrated RJ45 port > > > > > > EtherFast 10/100 Integrated PC Card 16bit > > > EtherFast 10/100 Integrated CardBus PC Card > > > EtherFast 10/100 PCMCIA PC Card 16bit > > > EtherFast 10/100 CardBus PC Card 32bit > > > > > > Perhaps the last two simply don't have the integrated connection for the > > > RJ45. Anyway, which card is desireable? I don't have a network at home > > > yet, but have a couple of work locations that I need to be able to "hook > >up" > > > to. Standard MS Windows networks. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > dave > > > > From cph Tue Aug 1 01:42:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA15839 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:42:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19792; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:40:31 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19671; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:40:30 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id BAA12060 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26528; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:41:32 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (SPFDA010-0182.splitrock.net [209.156.166.182]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA31506; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:41:27 -0700 Message-ID: <39862AA6.9B6ED437@mail.orion.org> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:40:54 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Reid CC: ThinkPad-L Subject: Re: TP Network cards Recomendations? References: <005b01bffb59$06c68d80$fd41b4d8@davidreidmob> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David Reid wrote: > > I need to get a NIC for my TP but not sure what to get I'm looking a the > following here in a pcConnection catalog but don't understand the > differences. > > Linksys with integrated RJ45 port > > EtherFast 10/100 Integrated PC Card 16bit > EtherFast 10/100 Integrated CardBus PC Card > EtherFast 10/100 PCMCIA PC Card 16bit > EtherFast 10/100 CardBus PC Card 32bit > > Perhaps the last two simply don't have the integrated connection for the > RJ45. Anyway, which card is desireable? I don't have a network at home > yet, but have a couple of work locations that I need to be able to "hook up" > to. Standard MS Windows networks. >From my understanding, there are 2 standards of PCMCIA. One is 16-bit, the other is 32-bit which is newer and is called "CardBus". They fit into the same PCMCIA slots, but older laptops don't support the 32-bit Cardbus cards. I don't know what the integrated means, but the CardBus is preferable, so whichever one is Cardbus is the one I'd get. Integrated might mean it has a popout RJ45 port instead of a dongle. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Aug 1 02:19:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA15918 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:19:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23224; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:16:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23078; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23065; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:16:43 -0400 Received: from IBM390X (adsl-151-202-18-129.bellatlantic.net [151.202.18.129]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA14834; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008010613.CAA14834@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> From: "Philip R. Mann" To: "STeve Andre'" , "ThinkPad-L" Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 02:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Philip R. Mann" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000801010235.00e3a100@pilot.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP Network cards Recomendations? List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 01:07:08 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >Who besides Xircom makes ethernet cards with an integrated RJ-45 connector? >I have the Xircom RBE card and works at 10/100Mbits. Assuming that what you have is an integrated card, how well does it fit? Would it block a dongle on a card in the other slot. Can it fit into either slot? > The modem works but isn't very good unfortunately. That seems to be true of many combination NIC/modem cards under OS/2. In fact, I thought that the modem wouldn't work simultaneously with the NIC being in use. ----- PRM ----- From cph Tue Aug 1 02:31:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA15957 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:31:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24594; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:27:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24225; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24177; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:27:42 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-328.gate.net [199.227.131.137]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA135560; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:27:25 -0400 Message-ID: <39866DED.23F76568@gate.net> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 02:27:57 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Burean CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Ibm logos References: <000d01bffb11$7d8be840$f4e85ecf@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Brad.. you can, carefully, work the existing logo off.. work your fingernail under the logo.. occasionally, this does not work.. but usually, it does.. the logo is a different size for various thinkpads.. i think the 560 uses a smaller one than the 701 and 755/760 series.. Brad Burean wrote: > Anybody know where I can get some repacement IBM logos for the 560? Looks > like they are just a stick-on deal. I've decided to try to paint my 560 > since the outside looks so bad. Can't decide on a color though, for a true > blue by Krylon that matches the IBM logo blue. Any suggestions on a good > color? > > Have a old top off of some thinkpad and bezel frame, experimenting with > krylon now. If your interested how it turns out let me know. > > Brad -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Aug 1 02:35:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA15962 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:35:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25041; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:33:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24901; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24888; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.116 -> pilot016.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:33:03 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm453-00.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.154]) by pilot016.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA42582 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:33:01 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000801023144.022916a0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 02:33:37 -0400 To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: TP Network cards Recomendations? In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000801010235.00e3a100@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the pointer. Sadly, I'm in kind of a bind in that OpenBSD doesn't support many cardbus cards yet, so I'm looking around for a 16 bit card that is both OpenBSD compatible and RJ-45'able. But the pointer is appreciated and I've filed it away! --STeve At 02:12 AM 8/1/00 -0400, Dave B. wrote: >Steve, et al, > >I believe Intel makes one, but it's probably manufactured by Xircom. >(They look very similar in design.) The main thing that comes to mind is >that if your TP supports 32-bit CardBus cards, get one of them over a >standard 16-bit PC Card. They run cooler, are capable of actual 100 Mbps >speeds, and consumer less power. > >Yep, just looked on Intel's site... here's the URL to their mobile NICs: >http://www.intel.com/network/products/mobile_adapters.htm?iid=netsite+inc >& > >That should be all one line with no spaces, beginning with "http" and >ending with "+inc&" > >Hope that helps. > >Dave > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 01:07 AM > > To: ThinkPad-L > > Subject: Re: TP Network cards Recomendations? > > > > This might be a good time to ask, since we're talking > > about NIC's for ThinkPad's: > > > > Who besides Xircom makes ethernet cards with an integrated > > RJ-45 connector? I have the Xircom RBE card and works at > > 10/100Mbits. The modem works but isn't very good > > unfortunately. I might be curious about trying out other > > NIC's, but I *really* want to stay with the RJ-45 system: > > dongles just reek too much! > > > > --STeve Andre' > > [snip --DB] From cph Tue Aug 1 02:41:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA15977 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:38:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25456; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:35:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25346; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25333; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.117 -> pilot017.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:35:48 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm453-00.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.154]) by pilot017.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA18706 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:35:44 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000801023350.02291d80@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 02:36:19 -0400 To: "ThinkPad-L" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: TP Network cards Recomendations? In-Reply-To: <200008010613.CAA14834@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000801010235.00e3a100@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: The Xircom card is indeed in possession of a RJ-45 jack at the end of the unit; all I do when I get to work is plug it in and I'm off and running. It is however a large card, and takes up both slots in a two slot PCMCIA system. I believe this is called a "type iii" card, in that it needs the extra height. I've never tried using both ethernet and modem at the same time. I'll have to try that one of these days. --STeve Andre' At 02:11 AM 8/1/00 -0400, Philip R. Mann wrote: >On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 01:07:08 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > > >Who besides Xircom makes ethernet cards with an integrated RJ-45 connector? > >I have the Xircom RBE card and works at 10/100Mbits. > >Assuming that what you have is an integrated card, how well does it fit? >Would it block a dongle on a card in the other slot. Can it fit into >either slot? > > > The modem works but isn't very good unfortunately. > >That seems to be true of many combination NIC/modem cards under OS/2. In >fact, I thought that the modem wouldn't work simultaneously with the NIC >being in use. > >----- PRM ----- From cph Tue Aug 1 02:47:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA15993 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:47:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27177; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:44:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25903; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25889; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (140.142.78.6 -> jason05.u.washington.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:44:42 -0400 Received: from dante27.u.washington.edu (williams@dante27.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.82]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id XAA43810; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:44:40 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante27.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id XAA139842; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:44:39 -0700 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:44:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: "J. Williams" cc: TP List Subject: 770ED and Windows 2000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I recently installed Windows 2000 on my 770ED. I get this message for Other Systems: Multimedia Controller Device Type: Other Devices Manufacturer: Unknown Locations: PCI bus 0, device 5, function 0 The drivers for this device are not installed. (Code 28) To reinstall the drivers for this device, click Reinstall Driver. What does this mean? Also, what installed software can I use with 2000 (i.e., ConfigSafe, RingCentral)? Thanks, JOhn From cph Tue Aug 1 18:37:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA21472 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:37:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07425; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:28:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02475; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02458; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:28:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (24.92.226.121 -> mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:28:53 -0400 Received: from mail3.stny.rr.com (mail3-0 [24.92.226.69]) by mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23984 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jeff-s-computer.potsdam.edu ([24.24.79.237]) by mail3.stny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-53939U80000L80000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:26:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20000801182757.00aa5a40@mail.potsdam.edu> X-Sender: hatton64@mail.potsdam.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:29:21 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Price Info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I am looking on what a fair price on some thinkpads would be First a used 760ED with 64 meg and a 3.2GB drive second a new 560 p2 333 with 64 meg and a 4 GB drive if anyone could help I would appreicate it From cph Tue Aug 1 18:37:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA21471 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:37:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07442; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:25:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00423; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00309; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (205.152.115.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:25:18 -0400 Received: from jnipper.m-y.net (line150.m-y.net [216.77.88.80]) by my1.m-y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27735; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:57:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200008011557.LAA27735@my1.m-y.net> From: "Computer Guru" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:02:33 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: More Ideas anyone? I need to get the problems taken care of. Jim -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ------------------------------------- ---------- > From: Randal Whittle > To: TP List > Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! > Date: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 12:04 AM > > At 10:57 PM 7/31/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >Why must you show up here flaming everytime someone says anything you don't > >agree with? > > Check the thread again, if you care one iota about the truth (but > you don't, and never have). > > It was John who managed to take a post asking for help on a 14xx > series hardware issue and somehow turn it into an anti-windows rant. It > took an OS/2 bigot who couldn't resist the urge to begin another flame war > where there wasn't even a reference to an operating system anywhere in the > posting. > > David and I just set the record straight. But clarifying the > inaccuracies of that rant is uncomfortable for you, so you instead consider > it a flame. From cph Tue Aug 1 18:37:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA21478 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:37:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07437; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:26:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00838; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00810; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (63.250.62.5) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:26:12 -0400 Received: from saruman.wizard.net ([63.250.62.4]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA02134 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 07:57:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (jonathan@localhost) by saruman.wizard.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16633 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:59:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:59:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonathan To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Who is in charge here? In-Reply-To: <20000801024222.H597@eyup.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Folks, Who do I complain to if, for example, every time anyone posts anything having to do with any OS, certain people start this OS war nonsense? Is no one in control of this list? Yours, Jonathan [TP 240/win98] On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, John Poltorak wrote: > On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 06:37:01PM -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: > > > That statement is prejudiced in the extreme. I use Windows 2000 day in and > > day out and it is very stable, no crashes. > > > > You are making one basic error. You are stuck in time. > > > > You formed an opinion about a version of Windows that was clearly some time > > ago. > > > > Windows is fine for a lot of people. It is stable and doesn't crash. > > You are saying Windows 2000 is stable and doesn't crash, yet the vast > majority of Windows users are not using Windows 2000 so your comment > is not relevant to the vast majority of Windows users for whom daily > crashes are the norm. > > > David > > > > -- > John > > From cph Tue Aug 1 18:41:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA21497 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:41:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10174; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:34:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05531; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout4-0.nyroc.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05024; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:32:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mailout4-0.nyroc.rr.com (24.92.226.166 -> mailout4-1.nyroc.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:33:02 -0400 Received: from mail3.stny.rr.com (mail3-1 [24.92.226.134]) by mailout4-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06140 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jeff-s-computer.mail.potsdam.edu ([24.24.79.237]) by mail3.stny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-53939U80000L80000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:01:40 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20000801180240.00aa1280@mail.potsdam.edu> X-Sender: hatton64@mail.potsdam.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:04:19 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Pricing Info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I am looking on what a fair price for a Thinkpad 760ED with 64 meg ram and 3.2 GB drive would be also the same info for a 570 p2 333, 64 ram, 4.0Gb From cph Tue Aug 1 18:42:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA21507 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:42:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10501; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:36:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07365; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07334; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (171.69.43.88 -> sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:36:09 -0400 Received: from mira-sjcm-1.cisco.com (mira-sjcm-1.cisco.com [171.69.2.212]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA04066 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tricent (ssh.cisco.com [171.69.10.34]) by mira-sjcm-1.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJW07908; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:35:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tony Rice" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Ethernet cable for the road? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:35:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I've got one of those cool retractable phone cables for using my TP's modem on the road. Is there something similar for with an Ethernet cable? I'd love to get rid of this bulky coiled up Ethernet cable in my laptop case. From cph Tue Aug 1 18:42:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA21511 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:42:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10678; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:37:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08729; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08358; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (38.8.22.2 -> relay21.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:37:27 -0400 Received: from ntmail.doble.com ([204.215.186.11]) by relay21.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13JdyB-0006QP-00; Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:28:39 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:28:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'David Reid'" , ThinkPad-L Subject: RE: TP Network cards Recomendations? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:28:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I use the PCMLM56, the EtherFast 10/100 + 56K Modem PC Card. It has the integrated connectors (actually two, a RJ11 and RJ45). The bottom of the connector housing does not hang down below the bottom of the card. I can put it in the top PCMCIA slot without any problems. I sometimes run an adaptec 1460 card in the bottom slot at the same time. I hear the modem part is a WinModem (which I generally do not like) so support for non-Windows operating systems may be lacking. So far no problems with the end housing breaking off. It seems to work good in the laptop. 73 Eric eac@shore.net -----Original Message----- From: David Reid [mailto:dwreid@hiwaay.net] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 8:37 PM To: ThinkPad-L Subject: TP Network cards Recomendations? I need to get a NIC for my TP but not sure what to get I'm looking a the following here in a pcConnection catalog but don't understand the differences. Linksys with integrated RJ45 port EtherFast 10/100 Integrated PC Card 16bit EtherFast 10/100 Integrated CardBus PC Card EtherFast 10/100 PCMCIA PC Card 16bit EtherFast 10/100 CardBus PC Card 32bit Perhaps the last two simply don't have the integrated connection for the RJ45. Anyway, which card is desireable? I don't have a network at home yet, but have a couple of work locations that I need to be able to "hook up" to. Standard MS Windows networks. Thanks dave From cph Tue Aug 1 18:45:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA21522 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:45:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11733; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:39:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09987; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09958; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:39:55 -0400 Received: from sfupc (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.9.3) with SMTP id e71Mdgl10071; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:39:42 -0700 Message-ID: <003e01bffc08$f0f6b060$03785a8e@triumf.ca> From: "peter machule" To: , References: <4.3.2.7.1.20000801182757.00aa5a40@mail.potsdam.edu> Subject: Re: Price Info Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:36:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Go to ebay . Do a search on closed items . They keep a history of about a month. Note that prices have been a bit eratic lately ;-} Re new 560 . go to www.shopper.com type in your part. ..peter.. Subject: Price Info > I am looking on what a fair price on some thinkpads would be > > First a used 760ED with 64 meg and a 3.2GB drive > second a new 560 p2 333 with 64 meg and a 4 GB drive > > if anyone could help I would appreicate it > From cph Tue Aug 1 18:48:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA21540 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:48:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13543; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:43:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11346; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11243; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:43:14 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.202.118 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:42:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01bffc0a$4e0842e0$76ca1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Jonathan" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: Subject: Re: Who is in charge here? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:46:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I agree, this my dog is better than your dog crap gets real old real quick. I cringe everytime I see a OS question or problem. > Folks, > > Who do I complain to if, for example, every time anyone posts anything > having to do with any OS, certain people start this OS war nonsense? > > Is no one in control of this list? > > Yours, > > Jonathan > [TP 240/win98] > > > On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, John Poltorak wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 06:37:01PM -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: > > > > > That statement is prejudiced in the extreme. I use Windows 2000 day in and > > > day out and it is very stable, no crashes. > > > > > > You are making one basic error. You are stuck in time. > > > > > > You formed an opinion about a version of Windows that was clearly some time > > > ago. > > > > > > Windows is fine for a lot of people. It is stable and doesn't crash. > > > > You are saying Windows 2000 is stable and doesn't crash, yet the vast > > majority of Windows users are not using Windows 2000 so your comment > > is not relevant to the vast majority of Windows users for whom daily > > crashes are the norm. > > > > > David > > > > > > > -- > > John > > > > > From cph Tue Aug 1 18:48:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA21544 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:48:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13774; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:44:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11640; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11593; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:44:13 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.202.118 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:43:39 -0700 Message-ID: <001101bffc0a$73c7a700$76ca1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <4.3.2.7.1.20000801182757.00aa5a40@mail.potsdam.edu> Subject: Re: Price Info Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:47:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: What is the speed of the 760? 133mHz? Brad ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:29 PM Subject: Price Info > I am looking on what a fair price on some thinkpads would be > > First a used 760ED with 64 meg and a 3.2GB drive > second a new 560 p2 333 with 64 meg and a 4 GB drive > > if anyone could help I would appreicate it > From cph Tue Aug 1 18:48:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA21548 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:48:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13780; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:45:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12333; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12317; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:45:22 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.200]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000801224520.JNQL14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 22:45:20 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000801184256.00b18cc0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:42:56 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Who is in charge here? In-Reply-To: References: <20000801024222.H597@eyup.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:59 AM 08/01/2000 -0400, Jonathan wrote: >Who do I complain to if, for example, every time anyone posts anything >having to do with any OS, certain people start this OS war nonsense? > >Is no one in control of this list? > If your question is whether or not there is a moderator, the answer is no. The list largely polices itself. There is, however, a List Admin who can be reached via the thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu address. However much I dislike and protest the OS wars threads, I would like to say that I dislike tattletales even more. Jane who is feeling like the den mother *way* too much lately From cph Tue Aug 1 18:52:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA21581 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:52:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16687; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:49:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15828; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15674; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:49:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (24.92.226.121 -> mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:49:54 -0400 Received: from mail3.stny.rr.com (mail3-1 [24.92.226.134]) by mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26041; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jeff-s-computer.potsdam.edu ([24.24.79.237]) by mail3.stny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-53939U80000L80000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:47:37 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20000801184948.00aae3b0@mail.potsdam.edu> X-Sender: hatton64@mail.potsdam.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:50:17 -0400 To: "Brad Burean" Subject: Re: Price Info Cc: "Thinkpad Users" In-Reply-To: <001101bffc0a$73c7a700$76ca1b3f@oemcomputer> References: <4.3.2.7.1.20000801182757.00aa5a40@mail.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: yes the 760 is a 133mHz also I mistyped the other system it is a 570 not a 560 At 05:47 PM 8/1/00 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >What is the speed of the 760? 133mHz? > >Brad >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:29 PM >Subject: Price Info > > > > I am looking on what a fair price on some thinkpads would be > > > > First a used 760ED with 64 meg and a 3.2GB drive > > second a new 560 p2 333 with 64 meg and a 4 GB drive > > > > if anyone could help I would appreicate it > > From cph Tue Aug 1 19:00:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA21648 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:00:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18636; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:57:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18286; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18259; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:57:29 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.202.118 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:56:51 -0700 Message-ID: <002901bffc0c$4bcb8760$76ca1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <4.3.2.7.1.20000801182757.00aa5a40@mail.potsdam.edu> <4.3.2.7.1.20000801184948.00aae3b0@mail.potsdam.edu> Subject: Re: Price Info Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:00:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Well, on egghead a refurbished 760 goes for around 500-550, on eBay a used one can go from 425-500 depending on how hard up people are for the 760el. I read an old articule on the 760el, guess it had the fastest benchmarks over all the 133's in it's class. Supposed to be a really top computer for a 133mhz. Brad ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Brad Burean Cc: Thinkpad Users Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:50 PM Subject: Re: Price Info > yes the 760 is a 133mHz also I mistyped the other system it is a 570 not a 560 > > At 05:47 PM 8/1/00 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: > >What is the speed of the 760? 133mHz? > > > >Brad > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:29 PM > >Subject: Price Info > > > > > > > I am looking on what a fair price on some thinkpads would be > > > > > > First a used 760ED with 64 meg and a 3.2GB drive > > > second a new 560 p2 333 with 64 meg and a 4 GB drive > > > > > > if anyone could help I would appreicate it > > > > From cph Tue Aug 1 19:12:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA21753 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:12:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22890; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:10:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22280; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22260; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:10:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.32 -> out2.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:10:03 -0400 Received: from mwl ([32.101.34.63]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2000080120421822900ivqh6e>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:42:18 +0000 Message-ID: <000701bffbf9$21c74840$3f226520@mwl> To: Subject: WIN98 install Q? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:43:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Is it possible to install WIN98 directly to a 755CD/CDV (100DX/4)? Or must you always install 95 first so that 98 recognizes the 100mHz processor. Every full blown version of 98 I have tried refuses to directly install and comes up with the error that a 66mHz or better processor was not detected. I was just trying to save some steps. Mike Lingenfelter From cph Tue Aug 1 19:35:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA21908 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:35:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27813; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:32:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27477; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27453; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:32:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA96974; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:34:25 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Who is in charge here? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Jonathan wrote: > Folks, > > Who do I complain to if, for example, every time anyone posts anything > having to do with any OS, certain people start this OS war nonsense? > > Is no one in control of this list? This is an unmoderated list. Nobody is in charge. People normally stay on topic and polite when communicating via this list. However, sometimes we all tend to stray a little off course. If the extra traffic on your e-mail account is too much, might I suggest you configure a kill filter to eliminate certain topics or people for a few days until the conversation fades away. By the way (note to everybody)... It takes at least TWO people to have a flame (or OS) war. If one person chimes in with a pro (or anti) OS reply, no "war" can take place unless somebody else disagrees with the first party in this public forum. If you strongly disagree with a post, consider just sending a rebuttal via PRIVATE e-mail to the original poster, stating your opinion. -- David Goldman From cph Tue Aug 1 21:18:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA22572 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:18:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09657; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:15:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09355; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09342; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.226 -> blount.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:15:23 -0400 Received: from user-38ld1cl.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld1cl.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.133.149]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA32715; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008020115.VAA32715@blount.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "David Goldman" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Who is in charge here? List-Unsubscribe: Good plan. It is *irritating* however when members of a certain community that happens to have seen their vendor in court for quite a while prints the most ridiculous, untrue absurdities under the guise of fact. On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:34:25 -0700 (PDT), David Goldman wrote: > If you strongly disagree with a post, >consider just sending a rebuttal via PRIVATE e-mail to the original >poster, stating your opinion. From cph Wed Aug 2 06:14:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA24425 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:14:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06803; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:11:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06705; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06691; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:11:09 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA08839 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 00:11:04 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001d01bffc69$fbead4e0$fa62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: Subject: [TPnone] OT - descriptive headers (was: Re: Who is in charge here?) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 00:11:09 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "Who do I complain to if" Yet another reason for descriptive headers; makes deletion without reading so much easier. Alas, it is unlikely that the *first* person to start such a thread will use a sufficiently descriptive header, but if responsible continuations contain relevant elements then it shouldn't be a huge burden. It *does* mean a bit of editing with a post, rather than just pushing mindlessly away at the 'reply all' button. As for complaints, direct them to the guilty poster , *without* cc'ing them to the list at large, please. An example: From: cardpuncher To: Thinkpad List Subject: cards jamming Message: Help, the cards keep jamming in my ThinkPad's punch card reader. Can you help? A potentially unhelpful reply: ### From: tapereader To: cardpuncher, Thinkpad List, that annoying Ross person Subject: Re: cards jamming Message: Your problem is that you use JCL, which is the worst OS since, er, using a solder gun on Eniac. Is your machine a 360? Well, that's the problem; upgrade to a PDP-8s, write your programs in FOCAL, and enter them on the high-speed tape reader. Much more stable than cards. ### What (if anything!) could be emailed in reply (2 messages): ### From: that annoying Ross person To Thinkpad List Subject: [TPnone] OT - punch cards and JCL (was: cards jamming) Message: Cardpuncher - I *think* that the card reader on your ThinkPad is for pcmcia cards, not punch cards, but you should consult the manual to be sure. Everyone else - please please please let us move any discussion of JCL vs. solder to alt.religion on Usenet, where it belongs - DR ### From: that annoying Ross person To tapereader Subject: Your TP list post (was: JCL sucks; was: cards jamming) Message: I entirely agree that JCL sucks. However, it has enough defenders that it is likely to cause a flurry of noise on the TP list. I suggest that in any future posts on the subject you include something in the header which will make it clear that your post is not really about ThinkPads. You might, for example, include in the header the string: "Warning: this post contains a virus, delete without reading!" Thank you, DR ### Note that the more provocative of the replies does *not* include the TP list in a reply field. - David (that annoying Ross person), with another unsolicited opinion on netiquette. From cph Wed Aug 2 08:38:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA24968 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:38:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12867; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:34:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12563; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icewall.vianet.on.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12547; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icewall.vianet.on.ca (209.91.128.10 -> icewall.vianet.on.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:34:52 -0400 Received: from hunt-tcs3-port70.vianet.on.ca (hunt-tcs3-port70.vianet.on.ca [209.91.148.221]) by icewall.vianet.on.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03503 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:35:26 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.44) Personal Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1926279015.20000802083526@erols.com> To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: RE Paint In-reply-To: <397DCD10.29570.E000D7@localhost> References: <397DCD10.29570.E000D7@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: While we're on the subject of appearance, how do I get my fingerprints off the nice rubberized surface of my 600 without damaging it? -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Wed Aug 2 08:57:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA25048 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:57:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14297; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:53:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14160; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14142; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:53:50 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.183.101 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:53:17 -0700 Message-ID: <001501bffc81$23f4f4e0$65b71b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Donald MacQueen" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <397DCD10.29570.E000D7@localhost> <1926279015.20000802083526@erols.com> Subject: Re: RE Paint Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:56:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I would call IBM tech line on that one. Brad ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald MacQueen To: ThinkPad Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 7:35 AM Subject: RE Paint > While we're on the subject of appearance, how do I get my fingerprints > off the nice rubberized surface of my 600 without damaging it? > > -- > Donald > > Donald M. MacQueen > Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] > > From cph Wed Aug 2 09:18:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA25162 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:18:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15796; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:16:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15518; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15481; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (24.163.250.14 -> el10-24-163-250-14.ce.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:16:01 -0400 Received: from uic.edu (yorktown.utc.uic.edu [131.193.92.186] ) by yanos.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:15:57 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:15:57 -0500 (CDT) From: George Yanos To: Donald MacQueen cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: RE Paint In-Reply-To: <1926279015.20000802083526@erols.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: gyanos@tigger.cc.uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Pledge seems to work and doesn't seem to cause any unplesant side effects. At least on the outside of the top. On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Donald MacQueen wrote: >While we're on the subject of appearance, how do I get my fingerprints >off the nice rubberized surface of my 600 without damaging it? ******************************************************************* George Yanos 312-413-0059(w) 708-848-4221(h) ******************************************************************* From cph Wed Aug 2 10:28:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA25526 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:28:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24032; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:25:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23578; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23474; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:25:33 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.202.136 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:24:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01bffc8d$f0172460$88ca1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: 701 disassembly Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:28:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: How are is it to remove the keyboard system from the 701? I got a machine coming in, and I need to part it out. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Brad From cph Wed Aug 2 10:56:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA25714 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:56:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27733; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:53:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27566; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27549; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:53:29 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.202.136 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:52:54 -0700 Message-ID: <001501bffc91$d6f80860$88ca1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Paint update III Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:56:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: After a couple days of curing the Krylon is really taking on a hard finish. Since this is a test piece, what the hell... ran my finger nails over it with good pressure, no marks. Tossed some floppies on it, and threw some other crap at it, put it in a computer bag with some floppies, a few CD cases, pens etc and shook the hell out of it and I can't find anything. I can still smell the paint, which means it's still curing, so it should be even stronger when the paint odor fades. I still have concerns about the logos, Bill Morrow suggested that I could get them off by lifting them with a finger nail, I have a old 560 TFT bezel, and it got to the point of cracking and I still couldn't get them off. I guess after being stuck there for 5 years, they are happy there. I would hate to spend the time doing this, and it is very time consuming, and have the logo area look like crap. I think I'll experiment taping off the logo and see how that comes out. I'll scan the results for anyone that would like them. Brad aka Booger de artiste From cph Wed Aug 2 12:49:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26422 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:49:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08499; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:46:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08339; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08313; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (216.100.248.113 -> adsl-216-100-248-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:46:33 -0400 Received: from cinnamon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cinnamon.com (8.10.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id e72GmHA27188 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008021648.e72GmHA27188@cinnamon.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.0 09/18/1999 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 730T/730TE and EtherJet problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 09:48:16 -0700 From: Andy Beals List-Unsubscribe: Don't know if it was here or maybe on Global Monitor's web page where I read that someone was able to install the etherjet drivers, but when he booted up, his machine would hang before he could login to windoze. The problem appears to be that the bios [dated '93 on my T's and TE's] activates the etherjet card when it's booting. This lets it interrupt and keep windows from starting properly. Solution: boot win95, log in, slap in etherjet. Voila! From cph Wed Aug 2 12:53:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26475 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:53:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08924; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:51:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08776; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08754; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:50:53 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (SPFDA010-0075.splitrock.net [209.156.166.75]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA02278; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:50:49 -0700 Message-ID: <3988514A.A3F41B86@mail.orion.org> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 11:50:18 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald MacQueen CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: RE Paint References: <397DCD10.29570.E000D7@localhost> <1926279015.20000802083526@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Donald MacQueen wrote: > > While we're on the subject of appearance, how do I get my fingerprints > off the nice rubberized surface of my 600 without damaging it? Use a wet, warm soapy rag to clean it, and then wipe dry with a soft cloth. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Wed Aug 2 12:57:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26503 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:57:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09510; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:54:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09296; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09252; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:54:46 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.205.206 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:54:12 -0700 Message-ID: <001501bffca2$c5dc16a0$cecd1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Figured out logo problem Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:57:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: First, I found stick-on replacement logos at Blue Star. $5 a set for the 560. Second, after looking very closely at the logo, I noticed there is a very small gap between the logo and the bezel.. So here's how I got around this, I took a piece of clear packing tape and covered the whole logo and the bezel. Next I took a hobbie knife (x-acto) and slowly ran the tip of the blade around the logo following the gap. After making the complete cut I just pulled off the extra tape. The logo fully covered. I did another test on another bezel, gave it 4 coats, let it dry and removed the tape. Slicker than snot on a doornob! I've scanned the bezel with the logo and it's 99k. Looks really good, plus if you ask for the scan. notice how sharp the lighting icon is. I will be more than happy to send it to anyone that asks. Now after boogering up 3 bezels, and 10 hours of messing with this, I am completely sure you can paint a non-rubber coated Thinkpad and make it look great! I hope this info is of use to someone. DO I get a cookie now? Brad From cph Wed Aug 2 13:19:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA26704 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:19:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12349; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:17:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12095; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12071; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.2 -> mail.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:16:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 2720 invoked by alias); 2 Aug 2000 17:16:48 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 2387 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2000 17:16:41 -0000 Received: from dialupjj207.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.35.207) by mail.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 2000 17:16:41 -0000 Message-ID: <009201bffca5$70d67710$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "David Reid" , "ThinkPad-L" References: <005b01bffb59$06c68d80$fd41b4d8@davidreidmob> Subject: Re: TP Network cards Recomendations? Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:16:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I have the LinkSys EtherFast Integrated CardBus PC Card (Model PCM200). Personally, I would not buy the Integrated version again. Why? It is difficult to add and remove a second PC card with the NIC in place. To me, it's much more important to have the flexibility of changing cards than to have an extra cable hanging around. so... anyone care to make an offer on my card? It's about a month old. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: David Reid To: ThinkPad-L Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 8:36 PM Subject: TP Network cards Recomendations? > I need to get a NIC for my TP but not sure what to get I'm looking a the > following here in a pcConnection catalog but don't understand the > differences. > > Linksys with integrated RJ45 port > > EtherFast 10/100 Integrated PC Card 16bit > EtherFast 10/100 Integrated CardBus PC Card > EtherFast 10/100 PCMCIA PC Card 16bit > EtherFast 10/100 CardBus PC Card 32bit > > Perhaps the last two simply don't have the integrated connection for the > RJ45. Anyway, which card is desireable? I don't have a network at home > yet, but have a couple of work locations that I need to be able to "hook up" > to. Standard MS Windows networks. > > Thanks > > dave > > From cph Wed Aug 2 14:13:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA27145 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:13:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17278; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:10:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17105; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17084; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:10:14 -0400 Received: from iso.net ([208.154.252.89]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA72384 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:55:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <39887FF0.F250FEA3@iso.net> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:09:21 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: 701 disassembly References: <000b01bffc8d$f0172460$88ca1b3f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Brad, TP vol 2 has the blow ups oon the 701. Get it at Bill Brad Burean wrote: > How are is it to remove the keyboard system from the 701? I got a machine > coming in, and I need to part it out. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. > > Brad From cph Wed Aug 2 14:30:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA27292 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:30:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18986; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:27:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18722; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18707; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:27:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00763; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:29:11 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Picture from Brad of repainted case Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: If you want to see the scan of the repainted case with logo that Brad mentioned earlier today, I've posted it on my web site. I'll leave it up for about a week incase anybody is slow in reading these messages. The URL is: http://w3.dgoldman.com/thinkpad/logo.jpg -- David Goldman From cph Wed Aug 2 15:50:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA27868 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:50:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26682; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:48:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26453; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26440; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:48:40 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.170] (helo=139-142-112-170.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13K4UJ-000CWE-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:47:35 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Network cards Recomendations? Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 07:26:12 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <005b01bffb59$06c68d80$fd41b4d8@davidreidmob> <39862AA6.9B6ED437@mail.orion.org> <00a101bffb5c$8172a340$fd41b4d8@davidreidmob> Lines: 33 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: On a 701 these integrated housings (even on IBM-produced PCMCIA cards) can easily get in the way of the butterfly keyboard if put in the top slot. If put in the bottom slot, they block access to the top one. Such a card is ... The IBM Home & Away Ethernet + (too slow) faxmodem works in a 701 under Win95a, and supposedly Win95b (I haven't tested this) but only with different firmware (you know, with the diskette from IBM). So switching between machines is a hassle. So is installation. But once you've overcome the opposition, it gives excellent Ethernet, runs reasonably cool, has an elegant but inobtrusive action LED and is cheap, used. Disable the modem part in Windows so as to keep maximum IRQs and ports free. In article <00a101bffb5c$8172a340$fd41b4d8@davidreidmob>, "David Reid" wrote: >Thanks Shawn for the info. Yes, the "integrated" refers to the method by >which this particular card is connected and thus the reason I like this one. >Instead of dongles or an X-Jack type connection, it has a large housing at >the back of the card which accepts the RJ 45. By the looks of it, it be >preferred in the upper PCMCIA slot as the housing may block the upper slot >if inserted in the lower. > >Thanks again > >dave -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Wed Aug 2 15:50:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA27872 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:50:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26669; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:48:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26378; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26352; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (194.164.53.205) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:48:11 -0400 Received: by mailtest.eyup.org (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.04/2.0) id UAA074.35; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:44:09 +0100 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:44:09 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP820 Message-ID: <20000802204409.M597@eyup.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone here have any idea where I can get some info on ThinkPad 820? This is a PowerPC ThinkPad running AIX, or rather it was, now it just hangs while booting up. There was at one time a Web page dedicated to PowerPC ThinkPads at:- http://www.escape.ca/~tcordes/tpmain.html but that has now gone. If anyone knows if it has moved elsewhere, please let me know. -- John From cph Wed Aug 2 17:40:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28718 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:40:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05536; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:38:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05365; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05352; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.32 -> out2.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:38:03 -0400 Received: from laptop ([32.101.226.244]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2000080221371222900ld4hle>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:37:13 +0000 Message-ID: <00e301bffcc9$903239e0$51906420@laptop> From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Brad Burean" Cc: "ThinkPad List" References: <001501bffca2$c5dc16a0$cecd1b3f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Figured out logo problem Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:35:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: To remove the logo that has been stuck there for some time, take a hair dryer and heat up the old adhesive to re-animate it. It should pry up with your fingernails more easily after it is warmed-up. From cph Wed Aug 2 17:42:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28732 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:42:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05985; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:40:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05729; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05715; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:40:20 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.183.187 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:39:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01bffcca$aec67be0$bbb71b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Tom Franklin" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <001501bffca2$c5dc16a0$cecd1b3f@oemcomputer> <00e301bffcc9$903239e0$51906420@laptop> Subject: Re: Figured out logo problem Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:43:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: That won't warp the thin plastic? ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Franklin To: Brad Burean Cc: ThinkPad List Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 4:35 PM Subject: Re: Figured out logo problem > To remove the logo that has been stuck there for some time, take a hair > dryer and heat up the old adhesive to re-animate it. It should pry up with > your fingernails more easily after it is warmed-up. > From cph Wed Aug 2 17:43:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28738 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:43:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06247; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:41:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05864; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05851; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:41:15 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.183.187 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:40:39 -0700 Message-ID: <001401bffcca$d02bfbc0$bbb71b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: 701 Hard drive Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:44:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Anyone got a cheap hard drive in a 701 caddy? Brad From cph Wed Aug 2 18:05:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28937 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:05:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09352; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:02:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09183; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09167; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:02:55 -0400 Received: from WALD7 (user-2ive12d.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.4.77]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA14275; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:02:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: , "Brad Burean" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: RE: Paint Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:05:40 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-reply-To: <3984B2C8.8EB05784@gate.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Bill, Maybe you have found a new market, or should I say aftermarket. You could set a little cottage industry down there in Florida and sell the painted ones on your site for a little premium. Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 6:57 PM To: Brad Burean Cc: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Paint Brad.. try an auto paint shop.. i have had the same ideas.. midnight blue rather than black.. called BIG Blue, and Dusky Rose, and more.. the guy at the shop i spoke to said it would not be a big problem achieving the satin finish.. but then i did not have a thinkpad in hand to show him.. apparently, the paint used on these new rubber bumpers on cars is the material he thought would do the job.. Brad Burean wrote: > I've been asked to put a custom finish on a IBM thinkpad. Anyone know of a > super durable finish that wouln'd scuff up in a case etc? Basically there > will be art work applie to the top, then a cleat coat. The clearcoat is the > durable finish that I need. > > Thanks > Brad -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed Aug 2 18:39:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA29175 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:38:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11574; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:33:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11279; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail7.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11263; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail7.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.57 -> mail7.wlv.netzero.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:33:31 -0400 Received: (qmail 21085 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2000 22:33:26 -0000 Received: from ip113.tucson16.az.pub-ip.psi.net (HELO netzero.net) (38.29.183.113) by mail7.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 2000 22:33:26 -0000 Message-ID: <3988A1AC.89276BD2@netzero.net> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:33:16 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: penzance@gate.net, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Paint References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Needless to say, with Bill's "bird logo" ;-) William Armstrong wrote: > > Bill, > > Maybe you have found a new market, or should I say aftermarket. You could > set a little cottage industry down there in Florida and sell the painted > ones on your site for a little premium. > > Bill Armstrong > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 6:57 PM > To: Brad Burean > Cc: Thinkpad Users > Subject: Re: Paint > > Brad.. > > try an auto paint shop.. > > i have had the same ideas.. > midnight blue rather than black.. > called BIG Blue, > and Dusky Rose, > and more.. > > the guy at the shop i spoke to said it would not be a big problem achieving > the > satin finish.. > but then i did not have a thinkpad in hand to show him.. > > apparently, the paint used on these new rubber bumpers on cars is the > material > he thought would do the job.. > > Brad Burean wrote: > > > I've been asked to put a custom finish on a IBM thinkpad. Anyone know of > a > > super durable finish that wouln'd scuff up in a case etc? Basically there > > will be art work applie to the top, then a cleat coat. The clearcoat is > the > > durable finish that I need. > > > > Thanks > > Brad > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________ From cph Wed Aug 2 19:00:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA29303 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:00:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13031; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:55:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12759; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12739; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.32 -> out2.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:55:29 -0400 Received: from laptop ([32.101.226.161]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <20000802225439229027f0b7e>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:54:40 +0000 Message-ID: <00fd01bffcd4$48d5ca20$51906420@laptop> From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Brad Burean" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <001501bffca2$c5dc16a0$cecd1b3f@oemcomputer> <00e301bffcc9$903239e0$51906420@laptop> <000e01bffcca$aec67be0$bbb71b3f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Figured out logo problem Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:52:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I don't think so, but you can try by heating a little and then heating more. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Burean" To: "Tom Franklin" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 3:43 PM Subject: Re: Figured out logo problem > That won't warp the thin plastic? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Franklin > To: Brad Burean > Cc: ThinkPad List > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: Figured out logo problem > > > > To remove the logo that has been stuck there for some time, take a hair > > dryer and heat up the old adhesive to re-animate it. It should pry up > with > > your fingernails more easily after it is warmed-up. > > > > > From cph Wed Aug 2 19:38:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA29533 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:38:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15532; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:35:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15349; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15334; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (192.108.254.26 -> mail1.teleport.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:35:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 28179 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2000 23:35:42 -0000 Received: from i48-10-34.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO teleport.com) (216.26.4.98) by mail1.teleport.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2000 23:35:42 -0000 Message-ID: <3988AFD9.D6C01208@teleport.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:33:45 -0700 From: Bryan Daum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wvantuyl@iso.net CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: 701 disassembly References: <000b01bffc8d$f0172460$88ca1b3f@oemcomputer> <39887FF0.F250FEA3@iso.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If anyone has a 701C lid without the dreaded crack at the hinge I would be interested. My tft screen is ok it is only the lid's attachment to the hinge that is broken. Bryan William Van Tuyl wrote: > Brad, > > TP vol 2 has the blow ups oon the 701. Get it at > > > Bill > > Brad Burean wrote: > > > How are is it to remove the keyboard system from the 701? I got a machine > > coming in, and I need to part it out. Any help would be greatly > > appreciated. > > > > Brad From cph Wed Aug 2 19:39:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA29538 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:39:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15620; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:36:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15413; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15400; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:36:19 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.202.4 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:35:46 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bffcda$e2ccb5c0$04ca1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: 701 hard drive Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:39:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I got a refurbished 701cs on ebay for $60. But the hard drive is bad. How big of a drive can I install? Thanks. From cph Wed Aug 2 20:33:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA29877 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:32:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19560; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:30:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19315; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19298; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.153 -> ds-img-7.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:30:52 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id UAA01661; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:30:25 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Ethernet cable for the road? Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: "Tony Rice" Cc: thinkpad Message-ID: <200008022030_MC2-AE5B-A595@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id UAA29878 If you have a WinCE PDA, I am selling a new/boxed Xircom Compact Ethernet 10/100 Card for £69.99 If you want more details I have a scan of the spec/pics compatibilities etc This certainlt would be a very compact way of obtaining access to a network. Mark From cph Wed Aug 2 20:39:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA29926 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:39:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20180; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:37:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20020; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-2.sjc.telocity.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20001; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-2.sjc.telocity.net (216.227.56.42 -> mail-2.sjc.telocity.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:37:53 -0400 Received: from lazaruslong (dsl-216-227-14-85.chi.interchangedsl.com [216.227.14.85]) by mail-2.sjc.telocity.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA05905; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by lazaruslong (216.227.14.85) with smtp ; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 00:38:23 GMT X-Posting-Agent: Hamster/1.3.19.0 From: Stan Mocek To: John Poltorak , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP820 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:38:23 -0500 Reply-To: mocek@azb.com Message-ID: References: <20000802204409.M597@eyup.org> In-Reply-To: <20000802204409.M597@eyup.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:44:09 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >There was at one time a Web page dedicated to PowerPC ThinkPads at:- > >http://www.escape.ca/~tcordes/tpmain.html > >but that has now gone. If anyone knows if it has moved elsewhere, >please let me know. Looks like he's over here now: http://members.home.net/tcordes/tpmain.html HTH -- Stan Mocek mocek@azb.com From cph Wed Aug 2 21:58:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA30381 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:58:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24228; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:54:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24005; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23992; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:54:13 -0400 Received: from 209-122-243-123.s123.tnt1.hlb.nj.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.243.123] helo=ppro) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13KAD6-0004Wp-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:54:12 -0400 Received: by ppro (VPOP3) with SMTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:53:37 -0400 Message-ID: <0ccd01bffced$95b5edc0$0d00a8c0@dec5200> From: "R Briganti" To: "Thinkpad List" References: <000701bffcda$e2ccb5c0$04ca1b3f@oemcomputer> Subject: 770ED runnign W2K won't suspend Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:53:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0b - Registered to: Belle Mead Claims List-Unsubscribe: I have a 770ED running Windows 2000 that used to suspend but quit. When I try to suspend, I get the message: The device driver for the 'PC/AT Enhanced PS/2 Keyboard(101/102-Key)'device is preventing the machine from entering hibernation. Please close all applications and try again. If the problem persists, you may need to update this driver. According to MSKB article Q257199, this error is caused when a program installs a kernel mode driver that attaches itself to the standard keyboard driver (I8042prt.sys). The article lists Adobe Type Manger 4.0 and Pgpdisk 6.02 as examples but says there could be more. Since I don't have either installed on my machine, I guess that I have one of the other unamed programs causing the problem. The article also says that "The error message indicates that the program installed a kernel mode driver that attaches itself to the keyboard driver and which does not support Plug and Play I/O request packets (IRPs)." Can anyone tell me how to locate the driver that attaches to the keyboard driver so that I can uninstall the culprit? The location of the KB article is: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q257/1/99.asp?LN=EN-US&SD=g n&FR=0 Bob From cph Thu Aug 3 00:33:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA31129 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:33:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03833; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:30:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03636; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tango.SoftHome.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03623; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008030430.AAA03623@cs.utk.edu> Received: from tango.SoftHome.net (204.144.231.49 -> tango.SoftHome.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:30:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 18742 invoked by uid 417); 3 Aug 2000 04:38:07 -0000 Received: from dyn-128-75.mtvernon.cnw.net (HELO TEST) (207.149.128.75) by smtpb.softhome.net with SMTP; 3 Aug 2000 04:38:07 -0000 From: Vicky Stables Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:30:03 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <39887FF0.F250FEA3@iso.net> Subject: 701 problem, was Re: 701 disassembly X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the link, it is well worth having. I am playing with my 701 again. The floppy does not work, but it is not the floppy. I had assumed it was a system board but I now think it is the cable. The regular diagnostic runs fine. The advanced diagnostic does not give any error codes but it never writes to the disk, either. When I try to use the floppy it spins, but the light never comes on. Different drives, same results. Do you know where I can find a pinout listing for the cable? Alternatively, does anyone have one for sale for a reasonable sum? Unfortunately I don't know anyone in the area with one I could borrow. Regards, Vicky -- Anacortes, Washington USA ___________________________________________________________ On 08/02/2000 William Van Tuyl said: >Brad, >TP vol 2 has the blow ups oon the 701. Get it at > >Bill >Brad Burean wrote: >> How are is it to remove the keyboard system from the 701? I got a machine >> coming in, and I need to part it out. Any help would be greatly >> appreciated. >> >> Brad From cph Thu Aug 3 01:01:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA31227 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:01:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05455; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:58:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05259; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05246; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (192.48.96.19 -> wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:58:20 -0400 Received: from cheatriver.com by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: 1Cust81.tnt2.morristown2.nj.da.uu.net [63.15.223.81]) id QQjapf02957 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:58:18 GMT Message-ID: <3988FC77.A33FC493@cheatriver.com> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 01:00:39 -0400 From: Kathe Robin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP exterior finishes? References: <008701bf6e7e$c1a03560$f40c4a0c@701c> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: In light of Brad's recent painting experiences, I'm trying to find out whether the surface of the outer case of my 760ED is just metal w/paint baked on or....? Can anyone help? Thanks, Max ------------------------------------------------------- email: m_robin@cheatriver.com smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. Cheat River Engineering Inc. 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 or 973 - 627 - 5460 ------------------------------------------------------ From cph Thu Aug 3 01:22:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA31289 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:22:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06662; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:19:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06512; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06498; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:19:53 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (SPFDA010-0079.splitrock.net [209.156.166.79]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA22326; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:19:42 -0700 Message-ID: <398900CE.9595C18A@mail.orion.org> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 00:19:10 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kathe Robin CC: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP exterior finishes? References: <008701bf6e7e$c1a03560$f40c4a0c@701c> <3988FC77.A33FC493@cheatriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Kathe Robin wrote: > > In light of Brad's recent painting experiences, I'm trying to find out > whether the surface of the outer case of my 760ED is just metal w/paint > baked on or....? Can anyone help? The 760ED is plastic with a rubber coating. In order to paint the 760ED, you'd have to scrape the rubber coating off. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Thu Aug 3 03:12:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA31523 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 03:12:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13597; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 03:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 03:09:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13339; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 03:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13326; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 03:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 03:08:57 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.179] (helo=139-142-112-179.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13KF6f-0003tl-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 00:07:53 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 disassembly Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 23:50:25 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <000b01bffc8d$f0172460$88ca1b3f@oemcomputer> <39887FF0.F250FEA3@iso.net> <3988AFD9.D6C01208@teleport.com> In-Reply-To: <3988AFD9.D6C01208@teleport.com> Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Goop or Shoe Goop & chopsticks In article <3988AFD9.D6C01208@teleport.com>, you wrote: >If anyone has a 701C lid without the dreaded crack at the hinge I would be >interested. My tft screen is ok it is only the lid's attachment to the hinge >that is broken. > -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Thu Aug 3 04:02:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA31613 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:02:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17799; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 03:59:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17363; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 03:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17350; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 03:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 03:59:52 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA12885; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:59:45 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001801bffd20$cfcf18a0$8b8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Cc: "Bryan Daum" , "Jonathan Berry" Subject: [TPall] Gluing thinkpads (was: Re: 701 disassembly) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:59:49 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Bryan: >If anyone has a 701C lid without the dreaded crack at the hinge I would be >interested. My tft screen is ok it is only the lid's attachment to the hinge >that is broken Jonathan: >Goop or >Shoe Goop & >chopsticks The best glue for Thinkpad composition plastic cases is ABS/PVC solvent adhesive (the kind used for plumbing fitments). Silicone-based solvents (e.g., goops) will not only eventually fail, but are irreversible in the sense that nothing else will ever adhere to the surface, even if you remove all the visible glue. - David R. From cph Thu Aug 3 06:38:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA32193 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 06:38:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01284; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 06:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 06:34:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01062; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 06:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01049; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 06:34:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 06:34:45 -0400 Received: from mwl ([32.101.34.233]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <20000803103443239027e864e>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:34:44 +0000 Message-ID: <001501bffd36$7824c440$e9226520@mwl> To: Subject: TP finishes...some suggestions Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 06:34:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Those of you experimenting might want to try "Goo Gone" to see if it will remove the rubber coating on some machines. It is citrus based and *should not* hurt the plastic. Also, you might try a vinyl dye as opposed to the enamel finishes. Vinyl dye, from an autobody finish supplier can be mixed as small as a pint and in virtually any color. It will permeate the plastic and not scratch off. I have used it to change the color of automotive dashes, consoles and of course, vinyl roofs. Just a thought Mike Lingenfelter From cph Thu Aug 3 09:13:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA32749 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:13:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15566; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:10:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15238; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15211; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp (203.141.108.12 -> mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:09:58 -0400 Received: from ycxfssto (203-141-109-21.ip.xaxon.ne.jp [203.141.109.21]) by mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) with ESMTP id WAA28995 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:09:53 +0900 (JST) From: "John Goodman" To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:58:22 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: TP finishes Reply-to: jgood@well.com Message-ID: <3989EAFE.20989.1D086DC@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <001501bffd36$7824c440$e9226520@mwl> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: I have a 5/98 vintage TP600 that's been a stalwart performer in all respects except finish... I don't think my sweat is particularly corrosive, but after regular use the "paint" where my wrists rested (near the speakers) started to blister and peel away. Seeing what looked like bare bright metal underneath the paint, I thought I'd clean things up and applied some aromatic solvents. Unfortunately, the metallic-looking surface then started to give way, so I stopped in a hurry. What's especially curious is that the bright chrome-appearing areas, after cleaning the blistered paint away, gradually became black due to skin contact over time. And this evolved black finish doesn't scratch, seems a lot more durable than the original paint. At this point, the only possible cosmetic repair for my laptop would be to replace the entire upper part, embracing the keyboard, speakers, and including the RGB IBM Thinkpad logo next to the LCD screen close switch... :-) I'd really like to know what's going on with these reactions. How can plated plastic acquire a durable flat-black finish just by skin contact? What I hope is that newer models have a far more durable "finish", or are much more resistant to this kind of trouble. Is this the case? I don't mind matte plastic finishes being burnished to glossy by usage over time, like my TP space- bar where my thumb touches. But graceful aging is important for expensive machinery, is it not? At least the letters on the keys have yet to wear away. JG From cph Thu Aug 3 10:24:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA00637 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:24:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20547; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:21:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20331; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20316; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.41 -> mail2.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:21:29 -0400 Received: from cr452366-a (cr452366-a.rchrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.114.126.73]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10301; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:21:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: "Brad Burean" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:21:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 701 hard drive Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com Message-ID: <398947A7.10607.6662439@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000701bffcda$e2ccb5c0$04ca1b3f@oemcomputer> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Hi Brad, I recall the bios is limited to ~6.4 GB, but doesn't display over 999 MB in the setup display. Tom At 2000 August 2 - Wednesday 18:39, Brad Burean spoke about *701 hard drive...* saying > I got a refurbished 701cs on ebay for $60. But the hard drive > is bad. How big of a drive can I install? > > Thanks. ------------ Tom Trottier ICQ: 57647974 Abacurial Information Technology Consulting 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Thu Aug 3 10:27:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA00641 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:27:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21036; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:24:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20718; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20267; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.41 -> mail2.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:20:32 -0400 Received: from cr452366-a (cr452366-a.rchrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.114.126.73]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09809; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:19:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: Vicky Stables , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:19:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 701 problem, was Re: 701 disassembly Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com Message-ID: <3989474C.6121.664BF12@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200008030430.AAA03623@cs.utk.edu> References: <39887FF0.F250FEA3@iso.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Hi Vicky, At 2000 August 2 - Wednesday 21:30, Vicky Stables spoke about *701 problem, was Re: 701 disassembl...* saying ... > Do you know where I can find a pinout listing for the cable? > Alternatively, does anyone have one for sale for a reasonable sum? > Unfortunately I don't know anyone in the area with one I could borrow. ebay has them now & then. Search on the part/fru numbers as well as floppy & cable. Tom ------------ Tom Trottier ICQ: 57647974 Abacurial Information Technology Consulting 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Thu Aug 3 11:12:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA00849 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:12:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24651; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:08:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24415; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24400; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:08:54 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.190] (helo=139-142-112-190.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13KMb7-000Hab-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:07:50 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TPall] Gluing thinkpads (esp 701) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 07:50:55 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <001801bffd20$cfcf18a0$8b8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <001801bffd20$cfcf18a0$8b8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Lines: 58 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I stand corrected. However, does that ABS/PVC solvent work where there is a gap? My spare 701 took a horrible fall to a tile floor, resulting in a rupture of the hinge and the lid will no longer close. By the time I got it to where I could attempt to repair, various pieces of plastic had flaked away from the hinge break. I used goop and two chopsticks (bamboo is better than wood) and when I carry the thing (not often) I put a sock in its mouth to prevent the lid from closing and breaking my "repair" or worse. It's ugly as sin (maybe nobody will want to steal it), but aside from the sock, I need no special care. I can open or almost close the lid without doing any (apparent) further damage. Eventually, I hope to repair this from a "parts" machine. I'm in the market for a 701 parts machine with a good lid and with a good keyboard. Or two good keyboards. Incidentally, I still haven't seen anybody selling those thousands of 701 keyboards that IBM was remaindering. I wonder, is the purchaser remanufacturing, will the butterfly arise again? In article <001801bffd20$cfcf18a0$8b8d273f@math.hawaii.edu>, you wrote: >Bryan: >>If anyone has a 701C lid without the dreaded crack at the hinge I would >be >>interested. My tft screen is ok it is only the lid's attachment to the >hinge >>that is broken > >Jonathan: >>Goop or >>Shoe Goop & >>chopsticks > >The best glue for Thinkpad composition plastic cases is ABS/PVC solvent >adhesive (the kind used for >plumbing fitments). Silicone-based solvents (e.g., goops) will not only >eventually fail, but are >irreversible in the sense that nothing else will ever adhere to the >surface, even if you remove all >the visible glue. > >- David R. > > > -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Thu Aug 3 12:01:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA01103 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:01:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28858; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:58:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28641; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28628; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (208.139.144.3 -> mail.advi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:58:17 -0400 Received: from ecamin (s13354240.advi.net [208.133.54.240]) by mail.advi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA29503; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005701bffd63$88df7a00$f03685d0@ecamin> From: "Edwin A Camin" To: "Vicky Stables" , References: <200008030430.AAA03623@cs.utk.edu> Subject: Re: 701 problem, was Re: 701 disassembly Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:53:24 -0400 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: Vicky Stables To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:30 AM Subject: 701 problem, was Re: 701 disassembly Did you boot with the floppy installed? Hot plugging the floppy requires that it was there at bootup. Then you can unplug/plug at will. Ed > Thanks for the link, it is well worth having. I am playing with my 701 > again. The floppy does not work, but it is not the floppy. I had assumed > it was a system board but I now think it is the cable. The regular > diagnostic runs fine. The advanced diagnostic does not give any error > codes but it never writes to the disk, either. When I try to use the > floppy it spins, but the light never comes on. Different drives, same > results. Do you know where I can find a pinout listing for the cable? > Alternatively, does anyone have one for sale for a reasonable sum? > Unfortunately I don't know anyone in the area with one I could borrow. > > Regards, > > Vicky > -- > Anacortes, Washington USA > ___________________________________________________________ > > On 08/02/2000 William Van Tuyl said: > > >Brad, > > >TP vol 2 has the blow ups oon the 701. Get it at > > > > >Bill > > >Brad Burean wrote: > > >> How are is it to remove the keyboard system from the 701? I got a machine > >> coming in, and I need to part it out. Any help would be greatly > >> appreciated. > >> > >> Brad > > > From cph Thu Aug 3 13:08:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA01455 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:08:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05177; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:05:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04760; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04746; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:05:18 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.183.189 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:04:41 -0700 Message-ID: <004101bffd6d$6a554920$bdb71b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: 701 wit no crack Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:08:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I have just gotten in a 701cs, in mint condition. No hinge cracks, no scratches, no dents. Keyboard is perfect. Listed as NOS. Hardrive is bad. No extra memory. Have basic computer and floppy cable, but no floppy. Make me a offer if your interested. Brad From cph Thu Aug 3 15:09:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA02181 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:09:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15901; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:06:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15655; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15642; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:06:51 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (SPFDA010-0044.splitrock.net [209.156.166.44]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA18038; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:06:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3989C2A5.64BAF062@mail.orion.org> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:06:13 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jgood@well.com CC: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP finishes References: <3989EAFE.20989.1D086DC@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John Goodman wrote: > > I'd really like to know what's going on with these reactions. > How can plated plastic acquire a durable flat-black finish just > by skin contact? What I hope is that newer models have a far > more durable "finish", or are much more resistant to this kind > of trouble. Is this the case? I don't mind matte plastic finishes > being burnished to glossy by usage over time, like my TP space- > bar where my thumb touches. But graceful aging is important > for expensive machinery, is it not? At least the letters on the > keys have yet to wear away. I've seen this before, but usually on other brands of laptops. I think your 600 is made of black plastic which has an outer aluminum plating for shielding purposes. It is then painted black. I deal with older 3-4 year old ThinkPads and it seems like in the "old days" IBM did have a more durable finish. Older ThinkPads like my 560X and 760's usually use metal shields inside the case so that the outer case is just molded in black plastic without any aluminum plating. The 760's I've had have had a rubbery coating right on the black plastic. My 560X is nothing but black plastic that was molded in color and unpainted. Only reason I can think of that the 600 might have that aluminum plating on the exterior is that IBM thought they could reduce the size of the laptop by using plated shielding instead of metal shielding. My friend has an old 386SX laptop that has a similar problem - the paint doesn't adhere well to the plating, so it is peeling away in spots. After that, you're just wearing through the plating to the black plastic underneath. That's somewhat disappointing to hear though. I was thinking of going from my 560X to a 600, but it sounds to me like IBM has cheapened up a bit on their exterior casing. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Thu Aug 3 18:05:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA03332 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:05:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28518; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:02:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28366; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28351; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:02:29 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.203.31 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:01:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bffd96$ee9ab020$1fcb1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Denis Hall" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <000801bffd91$07127a80$87c533cf@denhall> Subject: Re: 701 wit no crack Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:05:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Nothing now. I was going to find a set of plastics so I could paint them up for my 560. But I got motivated and I now have a COOL satin maroon 560. Thanks PS Let me know if you do find a good 166mmx motherboard ----- Original Message ----- From: Denis Hall To: Brad Burean Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 4:22 PM Subject: Re: 701 wit no crack > Hi Brad, > what exactly do you need for the 560?... > I just received 14 units, with most destined for parting out.... > Be specific model-wise and I'll see what I can get you. > > Have a Great Day, > Denis Hall, Michigan > 810.229.2881 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Burean > To: Denis Hall > Date: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:31 PM > Subject: Re: 701 wit no crack > > > >Yeah, I'd need a hard drive, a floppy, a battery, ac adapter, multiport > etc. > >I'm just gonna eBay it. > > > >Would you have the plastics only for a 560 tft? Upper and lower? Base, > >bezels everything? > > > >Brad > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Denis Hall > >To: Brad Burean > >Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:33 PM > >Subject: Re: 701 wit no crack > > > > > >> Hi Brad, > >> looks like you're "offing" your new 701.... > >> Just FYI, I also have the external floppies for $35 without the cable > (you > >> already have it). > >> > >> Have a Great Day, > >> Denis Hall, Michigan > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Brad Burean > >> To: Thinkpad Users > >> Date: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:07 PM > >> Subject: 701 wit no crack > >> > >> > >> >I have just gotten in a 701cs, in mint condition. No hinge cracks, no > >> >scratches, no dents. Keyboard is perfect. Listed as NOS. Hardrive is > >> bad. > >> >No extra memory. Have basic computer and floppy cable, but no floppy. > >> Make > >> >me a offer if your interested. > >> > > >> >Brad > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > From cph Thu Aug 3 18:29:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA03481 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:29:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00484; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:27:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00313; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00300; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:27:03 -0400 Received: from user-37ka089.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37ka089.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.1.9]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA21589; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008032226.SAA21589@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "jgood@well.com" , "Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <3989EAFE.20989.1D086DC@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP finishes List-Unsubscribe: What metal is the "chrome?" Copper will turn black, or many other colors, depending on what it encounters. It is the most volatile of all metals used in American coinage. The salt in your wrists could be the culprit, as could contaminate particles in the air. Depends on the nature of the "chrome" metal that has become exposed to contact. On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:58:22 +0900, John Goodman wrote: >What's especially curious is that the bright chrome-appearing >areas, after cleaning the blistered paint away, gradually became >black due to skin contact over time. And this evolved black >finish doesn't scratch, seems a lot more durable than the >original paint. From cph Thu Aug 3 21:59:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA04425 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:59:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11223; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:55:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10984; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10970; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:55:01 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.174.47]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:55:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id VAA05290 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:54:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:54:50 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 730T tablet - any information? In-Reply-To: <003001bfefd1$173c62e0$78f7490c@701c> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Can anyone with a Thinkpad 730 tell me anything about the digitizer screen, and how to read it? I'm running Linux and having trouble even establishing what port and IRQ it's on, much less how to communicate with it. Thanks in advance, ---GEC Projects page: http://tetsujin.sourceforge.net/ GAIM/AOL IM: Tetsujin0 - Message anytime -- ICQ: 46909656 - I never use it From cph Thu Aug 3 22:43:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA04616 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:43:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13573; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:40:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13428; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13415; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:40:10 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.203.31 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 19:39:35 -0700 Message-ID: <001501bffdbd$ad8230a0$1fcb1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Full system repaint Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:42:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Got home early from work, and after 6 hours, I've got a really cool maroon thinkpad. Completely disassembled the system and painted it piece by piece. I left the slider adjustment, the mouse keys and the on off switch black, real nice contrast. Forgot to paint the battery. Guess I'll be getting another can this weekend! Brad From cph Thu Aug 3 23:01:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA04696 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:01:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14744; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:57:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14607; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14580; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:57:57 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.203.31 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 19:57:19 -0700 Message-ID: <004b01bffdc0$25853be0$1fcb1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "James Mckenzie" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <001501bffdbd$ad8230a0$1fcb1b3f@oemcomputer> <398A30B6.D40ED9E6@theriver.com> Subject: Re: Full system repaint Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:00:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I'll have to get a camera, but sure Ill get some pics! Brad ----- Original Message ----- From: James Mckenzie To: Brad Burean Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 9:55 PM Subject: Re: Full system repaint > Brad Burean wrote: > > > > Got home early from work, and after 6 hours, I've got a really cool maroon > > thinkpad. Completely disassembled the system and painted it piece by piece. > > I left the slider adjustment, the mouse keys and the on off switch black, > > real nice contrast. > > > Are you going to post a picture of the paint job on the web? > > James Mckenzie From cph Fri Aug 4 12:03:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07303 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:03:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27041; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:00:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26812; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26799; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:59:59 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.13.173]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000804155957.UWTF9297.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:59:57 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01bffe2c$986a9080$ad0d4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: 730T tablet - any information? Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:56:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. The display uses a BIOS driven digitizer. It uses the same protocol a light pen equipped graphics card uses. What happens in a CGA graphics card with a light pen is that the screen location is scanned, 525 lines, interlaced, this is vectored by the page memory and sent out as an analog signal. A light pen is a device with a fast photosensor, as the line is scanned, an output pulse is created by the light beam, this is corrolated with the beam position and the vector sum. The graphics card can then be polled for this information. Hence, no real driver as such, just a device called " pen " Windows needs a driver but the hardware support is native to the 730T. LINUX might have light pen support, I will need to check. From cph Fri Aug 4 13:11:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07954 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:11:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02750; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:07:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02556; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02541; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:07:44 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.183.106 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:07:10 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01bffe36$ec4076c0$6ab71b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Keyboards Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:10:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Need sources for a couple 1400i keyboards. Any ideas? Thanks Booger the painter From cph Fri Aug 4 13:49:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08266 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:49:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06141; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:46:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05926; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web118.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05560; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web118.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.99 -> web118.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:43:44 -0400 Received: (qmail 29038 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2000 17:43:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000804174343.29037.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web118.yahoomail.com; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:43:43 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:43:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Price Info To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: They come in speeds of 100, 120, and 133Mhz. --- Brad Burean wrote: > What is the speed of the 760? 133mHz? > > Brad > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:29 PM > Subject: Price Info > > > > I am looking on what a fair price on some > thinkpads would be > > > > First a used 760ED with 64 meg and a 3.2GB drive > > second a new 560 p2 333 with 64 meg and a 4 GB > drive > > > > if anyone could help I would appreicate it > > > > ===== Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Fri Aug 4 13:59:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08350 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:59:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07260; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:56:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07043; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07030; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:56:56 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.12.153]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000804175654.WEAE9297.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:56:54 +0000 Message-ID: <002201bffe3c$eec76100$990c4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Re: TP finishes Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:53:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. A lot of laptops are coated with a metallic coating for EMI protection, then whatever coating/finish is applied. The metallic coating is usually applied with an etch agent, most, but not all of this agent is washed away, sweat, as you have found, is a really great reagent. -----Original Message----- From: John Goodman To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, August 03, 2000 8:12 AM Subject: TP finishes >I have a 5/98 vintage TP600 that's been a stalwart performer in >all respects except finish... I don't think my sweat is particularly >corrosive, but after regular use the "paint" where my wrists >rested (near the speakers) started to blister and peel away. > >Seeing what looked like bare bright metal underneath the paint, >I thought I'd clean things up and applied some aromatic >solvents. Unfortunately, the metallic-looking surface then >started to give way, so I stopped in a hurry. > >What's especially curious is that the bright chrome-appearing >areas, after cleaning the blistered paint away, gradually became >black due to skin contact over time. And this evolved black >finish doesn't scratch, seems a lot more durable than the >original paint. At this point, the only possible cosmetic repair >for my laptop would be to replace the entire upper part, >embracing the keyboard, speakers, and including the RGB IBM >Thinkpad logo next to the LCD screen close switch... :-) > >I'd really like to know what's going on with these reactions. >How can plated plastic acquire a durable flat-black finish just >by skin contact? What I hope is that newer models have a far >more durable "finish", or are much more resistant to this kind >of trouble. Is this the case? I don't mind matte plastic finishes >being burnished to glossy by usage over time, like my TP space- >bar where my thumb touches. But graceful aging is important >for expensive machinery, is it not? At least the letters on the >keys have yet to wear away. > >JG > From cph Fri Aug 4 18:25:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10304 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:25:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26269; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:23:22 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26052; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:23:22 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id SAA24742 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web118.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05216; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web118.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.99 -> web118.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:38:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 28126 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2000 17:38:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20000804173830.28125.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web118.yahoomail.com; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:38:30 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:38:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Price Info To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Except for use with Windows. The EL series doesn't have any cache memory which makes Windows run really slow. It does better than I expected however since some desktop machines won't even run without cache. --- Brad Burean wrote: > Well, on egghead a refurbished 760 goes for around > 500-550, on eBay a used > one can go from 425-500 depending on how hard up > people are for the 760el. > I read an old articule on the 760el, guess it had > the fastest benchmarks > over all the 133's in it's class. Supposed to be a > really top computer for > a 133mhz. > > Brad > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: Brad Burean > Cc: Thinkpad Users > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: Price Info > > > > yes the 760 is a 133mHz also I mistyped the other > system it is a 570 not a > 560 > > > > At 05:47 PM 8/1/00 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: > > >What is the speed of the 760? 133mHz? > > > > > >Brad > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: > > >To: > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:29 PM > > >Subject: Price Info > > > > > > > > > > I am looking on what a fair price on some > thinkpads would be > > > > > > > > First a used 760ED with 64 meg and a 3.2GB > drive > > > > second a new 560 p2 333 with 64 meg and a 4 GB > drive > > > > > > > > if anyone could help I would appreicate it > > > > > > > > ===== Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Fri Aug 4 18:27:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10316 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:27:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26787; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:25:44 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26420; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:25:43 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id SAA24810 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailcore3.oh.voyager.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22853; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailcore3.oh.voyager.net (207.90.100.14 -> mailcore3.oh.voyager.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:12:38 -0400 Received: from daveb (d364.as0.clmb.oh.voyager.net [216.127.3.236]) by mailcore3.oh.voyager.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA68082; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Dave B." To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Cc: Subject: RE: TP Network cards Recomendations? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:12:26 -0400 Keywords: Miscellaneous Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000801010235.00e3a100@pilot.msu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Steve, et al, I believe Intel makes one, but it's probably manufactured by Xircom. (They look very similar in design.) The main thing that comes to mind is that if your TP supports 32-bit CardBus cards, get one of them over a standard 16-bit PC Card. They run cooler, are capable of actual 100 Mbps speeds, and consumer less power. Yep, just looked on Intel's site... here's the URL to their mobile NICs: http://www.intel.com/network/products/mobile_adapters.htm?iid=netsite+inc & That should be all one line with no spaces, beginning with "http" and ending with "+inc&" Hope that helps. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 01:07 AM > To: ThinkPad-L > Subject: Re: TP Network cards Recomendations? > > This might be a good time to ask, since we're talking > about NIC's for ThinkPad's: > > Who besides Xircom makes ethernet cards with an integrated > RJ-45 connector? I have the Xircom RBE card and works at > 10/100Mbits. The modem works but isn't very good > unfortunately. I might be curious about trying out other > NIC's, but I *really* want to stay with the RJ-45 system: > dongles just reek too much! > > --STeve Andre' > [snip --DB] From cph Fri Aug 4 18:31:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10335 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:31:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27367; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:29:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27114; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27081; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp (203.141.108.12 -> mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:29:26 -0400 Received: from ycxfssto (203-141-109-20.ip.xaxon.ne.jp [203.141.109.20]) by mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) with ESMTP id HAA02453 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 07:29:12 +0900 (JST) From: "John Goodman" To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 07:29:05 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: TP finishes Reply-to: jgood@well.com Message-ID: <398BC241.25355.27254@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3989C2A5.64BAF062@mail.orion.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Shawn R. Lin wrote: > I think your 600 is made of black plastic which has an outer > aluminum plating for shielding purposes. This makes perfect sense, as it now seems obvious that I've just worn through the thin metalic plating, exposing the black plastic substrate (rather than some esoteric chemical reaction turning the metalic surface black). If I wanted a new-looking TP, the entire part would have to be replaced, and I'd want an improved version, not the same vulnerable original design. Considering that this kind of repair would be out of warranty, would it be very expensive? Something I could do at home? John From cph Fri Aug 4 18:52:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10432 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:52:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28818; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:50:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28643; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28630; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:50:21 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (SPFDA010-0098.splitrock.net [209.156.166.98]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA08741; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:50:00 -0700 Message-ID: <398B4876.8A84418F@mail.orion.org> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 17:49:26 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steve C." CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Price Info References: <20000804173830.28125.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: "Steve C." wrote: > > Except for use with Windows. The EL series doesn't > have any cache memory which makes Windows run really > slow. It does better than I expected however since > some desktop machines won't even run without cache. Does a 760ED have any cache memory? The machine doesn't actually report whether it does or not. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Fri Aug 4 18:53:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10437 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:53:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29017; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:51:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28706; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28689; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.1 -> sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:51:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 19199 invoked by alias); 4 Aug 2000 22:51:02 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 19194 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2000 22:51:01 -0000 Received: from dialupw127.sttl.uswest.net (HELO sfupc) (216.160.86.127) by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2000 22:51:01 -0000 Message-ID: <03d501bffe65$f8578320$5d645a8e@triumf.ca> From: "p machule" To: References: <20000804173830.28125.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Price Info Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:47:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: There are 2 versions of the EL. You guys all have tpichart.pdf ....right ?? It's a must !!! Also get twbook.pdf and tbook.pdf ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/ ...peter.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve C. To: Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Price Info > Except for use with Windows. The EL series doesn't > have any cache memory which makes Windows run really > slow. It does better than I expected however since > some desktop machines won't even run without cache. > > --- Brad Burean wrote: > > Well, on egghead a refurbished 760 goes for around > > 500-550, on eBay a used > > one can go from 425-500 depending on how hard up > > people are for the 760el. > > I read an old articule on the 760el, guess it had > > the fastest benchmarks > > over all the 133's in it's class. Supposed to be a > > really top computer for > > a 133mhz. From cph Fri Aug 4 18:55:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10461 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:55:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29407; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:52:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29148; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29134; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:52:47 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.51.110]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000804225245.BJZS17157.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:52:45 +0000 Message-ID: <398B49AF.2F49@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 18:54:39 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steve C." CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Price Info References: <20000804173830.28125.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Actaully, the EL series is PCI bus, and runs 95 just fine. I ahve had a bunch, they run the same as the 760ED. Steve C. wrote: > > Except for use with Windows. The EL series doesn't > have any cache memory which makes Windows run really > slow. It does better than I expected however since > some desktop machines won't even run without cache. > > --- Brad Burean wrote: > > Well, on egghead a refurbished 760 goes for around > > 500-550, on eBay a used > > one can go from 425-500 depending on how hard up > > people are for the 760el. > > I read an old articule on the 760el, guess it had > > the fastest benchmarks > > over all the 133's in it's class. Supposed to be a > > really top computer for > > a 133mhz. > > > > Brad > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: Brad Burean > > Cc: Thinkpad Users > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:50 PM > > Subject: Re: Price Info > > > > > > > yes the 760 is a 133mHz also I mistyped the other > > system it is a 570 not a > > 560 > > > > > > At 05:47 PM 8/1/00 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: > > > >What is the speed of the 760? 133mHz? > > > > > > > >Brad > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:29 PM > > > >Subject: Price Info > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am looking on what a fair price on some > > thinkpads would be > > > > > > > > > > First a used 760ED with 64 meg and a 3.2GB > > drive > > > > > second a new 560 p2 333 with 64 meg and a 4 GB > > drive > > > > > > > > > > if anyone could help I would appreicate it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Fri Aug 4 19:56:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA10782 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:56:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02394; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:54:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02251; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02238; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:54:08 -0400 Received: from user-38ld7f6.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld7f6.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.157.230]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA01669; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008042354.TAA01669@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "scosgt@worldnet.att.net" , "Steve C." Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 20:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <398B49AF.2F49@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Price Info List-Unsubscribe: Absence of L1 memory won't stop dose95, but will impair it's speed. Since dose95 is not all 32bit code, the differences are not as dramatic. as with Warp or NT. But if you will benchmark its performance using Norton or some similar application, you will find that more is much better. I bumped a desktop from 256 to 512 to 1M measuring differences at the hardware and software levels along the way. The differences were great. Although an antique now, the test machine (AMD133, L1 1Mb, RAM 48Mb, VESA) tests the same as a p90, when it should test out as a p75. I can't remember if Norton benched on PCI boards or not. But with no cache at all, your guess is as good as mine, but a fair guess might move things down to the p60 level. In other words, add RAM to the max. On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 18:54:39 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >Actaully, the EL series is PCI bus, and runs 95 just fine. I ahve had a >bunch, they run the same as the 760ED. > >Steve C. wrote: >> >> Except for use with Windows. The EL series doesn't >> have any cache memory which makes Windows run really >> slow. It does better than I expected however since >> some desktop machines won't even run without cache. >> >> --- Brad Burean wrote: >> > Well, on egghead a refurbished 760 goes for around >> > 500-550, on eBay a used >> > one can go from 425-500 depending on how hard up >> > people are for the 760el. >> > I read an old articule on the 760el, guess it had >> > the fastest benchmarks >> > over all the 133's in it's class. Supposed to be a >> > really top computer for >> > a 133mhz. >> > >> > Brad >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: >> > To: Brad Burean >> > Cc: Thinkpad Users >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:50 PM >> > Subject: Re: Price Info >> > >> > >> > > yes the 760 is a 133mHz also I mistyped the other >> > system it is a 570 not a >> > 560 >> > > >> > > At 05:47 PM 8/1/00 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >> > > >What is the speed of the 760? 133mHz? >> > > > >> > > >Brad >> > > >----- Original Message ----- >> > > >From: >> > > >To: >> > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:29 PM >> > > >Subject: Price Info >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I am looking on what a fair price on some >> > thinkpads would be >> > > > > >> > > > > First a used 760ED with 64 meg and a 3.2GB >> > drive >> > > > > second a new 560 p2 333 with 64 meg and a 4 GB >> > drive >> > > > > >> > > > > if anyone could help I would appreicate it >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> ===== >> Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >> http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Fri Aug 4 20:05:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA10812 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 20:05:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03213; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 20:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 20:03:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03067; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 20:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03054; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 20:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (24.163.250.14 -> el10-24-163-250-14.ce.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 20:03:43 -0400 Received: from uic.edu (yorktown [172.16.172.99] ) by yanos.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:03:40 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:03:40 -0500 (CDT) From: George Yanos To: John Goodman cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP finishes In-Reply-To: <398BC241.25355.27254@localhost> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: gyanos@tigger.cc.uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, John Goodman wrote: >Shawn R. Lin wrote: > >> I think your 600 is made of black plastic which has an outer >> aluminum plating for shielding purposes. > >This makes perfect sense, as it now seems obvious that I've just >worn through the thin metalic plating, exposing the black >plastic substrate (rather than some esoteric chemical reaction >turning the metalic surface black). If I wanted a new-looking >TP, the entire part would have to be replaced, and I'd want an >improved version, not the same vulnerable original design. >Considering that this kind of repair would be out of warranty, >would it be very expensive? Something I could do at home? > >John Don't know if your's is still under warranty, but if it is and you send it back, they always repair the cases. The last one I sent had a smudge where a "sticker" was removed and they replaced it, unasked, while fixing a real problem. IBM service is really wonderful. I once sent them a 701 which had been filled with most of a 16 ounce bottle of diet coke. They took two days and called me to ask if the disk should be reformatted since hibernation didn't work with os2 hpfs. First they replaced the mother board, the power supply, the screen and the connectors, and the keyboard. Nothing by way of a bill save "thanks for calling IBM". ********************************************************************* * George Yanos * Urban Sprawl Symposium * * UTC at UIC * Urban Transportation Center and * * 312-413-0059(w) * Metropolitan Transportation Support Initative * * 708-848-4221(h) * Circle Center, 750 South Halsted, Chicago * * * September 8, 2000 8:30am to 5:00pm * * gyanos@uic.edu * Registration: 312-996-4820 / stauffer@uic.edu * ********************************************************************* From cph Fri Aug 4 21:13:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA10956 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:13:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06668; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:11:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06559; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06546; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:11:23 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.202.111 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:10:49 -0700 Message-ID: <001901bffe7a$7c1b6aa0$6fca1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Painted 560 pictures Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 20:14:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I hope to have them available by Sunday, I'm looking for a camera that can focus down to a few inches. Its weird though, if you paint to a lighter color the gaps in the plastic seem to stand out a bit. Maybe that's why they always go with black, as the fit on the 560's isn't perfect. By the way, it takes about 1 1/3 big cans of the krylon to do it right. Sure is alot of paint for such a small object. Brad From cph Fri Aug 4 21:50:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11096 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:50:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08142; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:48:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08038; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08025; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:48:14 -0400 Received: from denhall (hi1hwl2-026.ismi.net [207.51.180.199]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA12030 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002c01bffe7f$f680c880$c7b433cf@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" Cc: Subject: RE: 760EL -- some DO have cache.... Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:52:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Just to add a bit here..... some of the EL's in fact DO have 256K cache.... And yes, I also consider them to be very fine machines....with 64mb RAM I find them totally capable of handling the needs of 90% of laptop users out there today... Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Markowitz To: Steve C. Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:54 PM Subject: Re: Price Info >Actaully, the EL series is PCI bus, and runs 95 just fine. I ahve had a >bunch, they run the same as the 760ED. > >Steve C. wrote: >> >> Except for use with Windows. The EL series doesn't >> have any cache memory which makes Windows run really >> slow. It does better than I expected however since >> some desktop machines won't even run without cache. >> >> --- Brad Burean wrote: >> > Well, on egghead a refurbished 760 goes for around >> > 500-550, on eBay a used >> > one can go from 425-500 depending on how hard up >> > people are for the 760el. >> > I read an old articule on the 760el, guess it had >> > the fastest benchmarks >> > over all the 133's in it's class. Supposed to be a >> > really top computer for >> > a 133mhz. >> > >> > Brad >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: >> > To: Brad Burean >> > Cc: Thinkpad Users >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:50 PM >> > Subject: Re: Price Info >> > >> > >> > > yes the 760 is a 133mHz also I mistyped the other >> > system it is a 570 not a >> > 560 >> > > >> > > At 05:47 PM 8/1/00 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >> > > >What is the speed of the 760? 133mHz? >> > > > >> > > >Brad >> > > >----- Original Message ----- >> > > >From: >> > > >To: >> > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:29 PM >> > > >Subject: Price Info >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I am looking on what a fair price on some >> > thinkpads would be >> > > > > >> > > > > First a used 760ED with 64 meg and a 3.2GB >> > drive >> > > > > second a new 560 p2 333 with 64 meg and a 4 GB >> > drive >> > > > > >> > > > > if anyone could help I would appreicate it >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> ===== >> Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >> http://invites.yahoo.com/ > From cph Fri Aug 4 23:00:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA11335 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 23:00:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12002; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:54:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11718; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11705; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:54:29 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.20.156.24 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:53:55 -0700 Message-ID: <004901bffe88$e36026c0$6fca1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Allan Ballard" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <200008050135.VAA15070@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: Painted 560 pictures Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:57:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: No Krylon is just a very durable enamel paint. Found at about any hardware store, or Walmarts etc. Brad I shy away from anything exotic, as I didn't know how the plastic would react. Krylon is a sure bet. ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan Ballard To: Brad Burean Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Painted 560 pictures > If you don't find such a camera, look into > macro lenses. If you ask right, a good > camera shop would loan you one for > a couple of days. > > Is krylon anything similar to the clear > laquer used to overcoat top automobiles? > > On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 20:14:19 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: > > >I hope to have them available by Sunday, I'm looking for a camera that can > >focus down to a few inches. Its weird though, if you paint to a lighter > >color the gaps in the plastic seem to stand out a bit. Maybe that's why > >they always go with black, as the fit on the 560's isn't perfect. By the > >way, it takes about 1 1/3 big cans of the krylon to do it right. Sure is > >alot of paint for such a small object. > > > >Brad > > > > > > > > From cph Sat Aug 5 00:18:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA11597 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:18:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14865; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:16:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14743; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14729; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:16:17 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-242.gate.net [199.227.131.51]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA84796; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:16:13 -0400 Message-ID: <398B952F.D0EFCFEB@gate.net> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 00:16:47 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Berry CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TPall] Gluing thinkpads (esp 701) References: <001801bffd20$cfcf18a0$8b8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: epoxy resin and a little glass cloth is better and more permanent.. those 1000's of 701 keyboards went someplace.. they have to show up sooner or later.. my beater 760CD is worse than your 701C.. :-) grab a decent 701 from e-bay when you can find an honest seller.. where is your machine busted..? top..?? Jonathan Berry wrote: > I stand corrected. > > However, does that ABS/PVC solvent work where there is a gap? > > My spare 701 took a horrible fall to a tile floor, resulting in > a rupture of the hinge and the lid will no longer close. By > the time I got it to where I could attempt to repair, various > pieces of plastic had flaked away from the hinge break. I used > goop and two chopsticks (bamboo is better than wood) and when I > carry the thing (not often) I put a sock in its mouth to > prevent the lid from closing and breaking my "repair" or worse. > > It's ugly as sin (maybe nobody will want to steal it), but > aside from the sock, I need no special care. I can open or > almost close the lid without doing any (apparent) further > damage. > > Eventually, I hope to repair this from a "parts" machine. I'm > in the market for a 701 parts machine with a good lid and with a > good keyboard. Or two good keyboards. > > Incidentally, I still haven't seen anybody selling those > thousands of 701 keyboards that IBM was remaindering. I > wonder, is the purchaser remanufacturing, will the butterfly > arise again? > > In article <001801bffd20$cfcf18a0$8b8d273f@math.hawaii.edu>, you wrote: > >Bryan: > >>If anyone has a 701C lid without the dreaded crack at the hinge I would > >be > >>interested. My tft screen is ok it is only the lid's attachment to the > >hinge > >>that is broken > > > >Jonathan: > >>Goop or > >>Shoe Goop & > >>chopsticks > > > >The best glue for Thinkpad composition plastic cases is ABS/PVC solvent > >adhesive (the kind used for > >plumbing fitments). Silicone-based solvents (e.g., goops) will not only > >eventually fail, but are > >irreversible in the sense that nothing else will ever adhere to the > >surface, even if you remove all > >the visible glue. > > > >- David R. > > > > > > > > -- > cheers > Jonathan Berry > http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Aug 5 00:23:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA11618 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:23:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15203; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:20:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15060; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15047; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:19:58 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-242.gate.net [199.227.131.51]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA180658; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:19:54 -0400 Message-ID: <398B960C.921C356B@gate.net> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 00:20:28 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jgood@well.com CC: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP finishes References: <3989EAFE.20989.1D086DC@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John.. you can get a new keyboard bezel from IBM.. if the machine is still under warranty, you can send it in for repairs.. that problem was more prevalent with the 770 series.. but a careful chat with IBM should get it taken care of under warranty.. John Goodman wrote: > I have a 5/98 vintage TP600 that's been a stalwart performer in > all respects except finish... I don't think my sweat is particularly > corrosive, but after regular use the "paint" where my wrists > rested (near the speakers) started to blister and peel away. > > Seeing what looked like bare bright metal underneath the paint, > I thought I'd clean things up and applied some aromatic > solvents. Unfortunately, the metallic-looking surface then > started to give way, so I stopped in a hurry. > > What's especially curious is that the bright chrome-appearing > areas, after cleaning the blistered paint away, gradually became > black due to skin contact over time. And this evolved black > finish doesn't scratch, seems a lot more durable than the > original paint. At this point, the only possible cosmetic repair > for my laptop would be to replace the entire upper part, > embracing the keyboard, speakers, and including the RGB IBM > Thinkpad logo next to the LCD screen close switch... :-) > > I'd really like to know what's going on with these reactions. > How can plated plastic acquire a durable flat-black finish just > by skin contact? What I hope is that newer models have a far > more durable "finish", or are much more resistant to this kind > of trouble. Is this the case? I don't mind matte plastic finishes > being burnished to glossy by usage over time, like my TP space- > bar where my thumb touches. But graceful aging is important > for expensive machinery, is it not? At least the letters on the > keys have yet to wear away. > > JG -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Aug 5 00:23:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA11622 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:23:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15488; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:21:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15246; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15232; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:21:33 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-242.gate.net [199.227.131.51]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA129776; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:21:28 -0400 Message-ID: <398B966A.A906692@gate.net> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 00:22:02 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: ThinkPad mailing list , Bryan Daum , Jonathan Berry Subject: Re: [TPall] Gluing thinkpads (was: Re: 701 disassembly) References: <001801bffd20$cfcf18a0$8b8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: once again, i suggest epoxy resin and a bit of glass cloth carefully applied inside the top cover.. i've done it and it works.. :-) David Ross wrote: > Bryan: > >If anyone has a 701C lid without the dreaded crack at the hinge I would > be > >interested. My tft screen is ok it is only the lid's attachment to the > hinge > >that is broken > > Jonathan: > >Goop or > >Shoe Goop & > >chopsticks > > The best glue for Thinkpad composition plastic cases is ABS/PVC solvent > adhesive (the kind used for > plumbing fitments). Silicone-based solvents (e.g., goops) will not only > eventually fail, but are > irreversible in the sense that nothing else will ever adhere to the > surface, even if you remove all > the visible glue. > > - David R. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Aug 5 00:44:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA11681 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:44:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16492; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:42:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16345; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16332; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:41:58 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-242.gate.net [199.227.131.51]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30784; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:41:55 -0400 Message-ID: <398B9B35.9F8C1091@gate.net> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 00:42:29 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Burean CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: 701 disassembly References: <000b01bffc8d$f0172460$88ca1b3f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Brad.. its a bit tricky.. you'll need a T-1 torx driver for the 4 schrews across the front.. there are some screws you need to remove from the bottom.. when the keyboard is undone, it must be pushed rearward so as to be released >from the 'hooks' that hold it to the base.. let me know if you need more specific help.. Brad Burean wrote: > How are is it to remove the keyboard system from the 701? I got a machine > coming in, and I need to part it out. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. > > Brad -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Aug 5 02:47:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA11961 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 02:47:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20106; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 02:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 02:44:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19997; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 02:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19984; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 02:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 02:44:25 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.174] (helo=139-142-112-174.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13Kxg1-00037u-00 ; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 23:43:21 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: penzance@gate.net Cc: jberry@islandnet.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TPall] Gluing thinkpads (esp 701) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 23:01:37 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <001801bffd20$cfcf18a0$8b8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> <398B952F.D0EFCFEB@gate.net> In-Reply-To: <398B952F.D0EFCFEB@gate.net> Lines: 90 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: >epoxy resin and a little glass cloth is better and more permanent.. > >those 1000's of 701 keyboards went someplace.. >they have to show up sooner or later.. > >my beater 760CD is worse than your 701C.. :-) But mine is smaller :-) >grab a decent 701 from e-bay when you can find an honest seller.. I'm OK because the broken top is my "spare". I'm more concerned about keyboards because the spare was damaged in the fall to the tile floor, and even my "good" one is very stiff and has mouse keys that require major force. > >where is your machine busted..? top..?? Yes, top left hinge, the wider hinge. You can also see quite a bit of damage on the bottom of the lid (i.e., when you open it up). > >Jonathan Berry wrote: > >> I stand corrected. >> >> However, does that ABS/PVC solvent work where there is a gap? >> >> My spare 701 took a horrible fall to a tile floor, resulting in >> a rupture of the hinge and the lid will no longer close. By >> the time I got it to where I could attempt to repair, various >> pieces of plastic had flaked away from the hinge break. I used >> goop and two chopsticks (bamboo is better than wood) and when I >> carry the thing (not often) I put a sock in its mouth to >> prevent the lid from closing and breaking my "repair" or worse. >> >> It's ugly as sin (maybe nobody will want to steal it), but >> aside from the sock, I need no special care. I can open or >> almost close the lid without doing any (apparent) further >> damage. >> >> Eventually, I hope to repair this from a "parts" machine. I'm >> in the market for a 701 parts machine with a good lid and with a >> good keyboard. Or two good keyboards. >> >> Incidentally, I still haven't seen anybody selling those >> thousands of 701 keyboards that IBM was remaindering. I >> wonder, is the purchaser remanufacturing, will the butterfly >> arise again? >> >> In article <001801bffd20$cfcf18a0$8b8d273f@math.hawaii.edu>, you wrote: >> >Bryan: >> >>If anyone has a 701C lid without the dreaded crack at the hinge I would >> >be >> >>interested. My tft screen is ok it is only the lid's attachment to the >> >hinge >> >>that is broken >> > >> >Jonathan: >> >>Goop or >> >>Shoe Goop & >> >>chopsticks >> > >> >The best glue for Thinkpad composition plastic cases is ABS/PVC solvent >> >adhesive (the kind used for >> >plumbing fitments). Silicone-based solvents (e.g., goops) will not only >> >eventually fail, but are >> >irreversible in the sense that nothing else will ever adhere to the >> >surface, even if you remove all >> >the visible glue. >> > >> >- David R. >> > >> > >> > >-- >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Sat Aug 5 04:03:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA12064 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 04:03:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23944; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 04:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 04:01:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23800; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 04:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23787; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 04:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 04:01:08 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA20135; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:00:48 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001b01bffeb3$4f5c18a0$1262183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "Jonathan Berry" Cc: References: <001801bffd20$cfcf18a0$8b8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> <398B952F.D0EFCFEB@gate.net> Subject: Re: [TPall] Gluing thinkpads (esp 701) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:00:50 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "epoxy resin and a little glass cloth is better and more permanent.." All-purpose solutions are rarely better than ones custom-designed for the problem. Resin adhesives are problematic on some ABS composition plastics, as they can have difficulty keying to the surface. Some epoxies will work somewhat on some laptop cases, depending on the epoxy and the particular model's case material. Solvent adhesives have been created for precisely this problem. The advantage of solvent adhesives is that they partly melt the plastic (to an imperceptible depth) and create a nice keyed surface; one can get a remarkably strong bond even if there are few contact points. However they are not as good as epoxy for filling big gaps, and might offer less structural integrity than one would get with a fiberglass reinforcement. They are also inferior in a mixed-material setting. Depending on the nature of the break, a combination of these techniques might be best (for example, solvent adhesive for the plastic-plastic contact points, with an epoxy gap fill, and glass cloth for reinforcement). However, if something like epoxy is used for the plastic-plastic contact then in fact the join will be plastic-epoxy-plastic, and susceptible to flex failure. Unfortunately, if Goop has already been used on the break, then it might not be safely reglueable with non-silicone adhesives. No matter how well you clean the old glue off/out of the break, it has contaminated the surface and other adhesives might not correctly adhere. (Epoxy is somewhat better in this regard, as the inferior epoxy/plastic adhesion makes it easier to remove than Goop.) On the plus side, Goop is a great mixed-material adhesive, so should do a better job than most on holding your chopsticks to your case:-) BTW, if it sounds like I'm obsessed with adhesives - it's true, an obsession which provides a great source of amusement for my wife. When I was younger I thought that it sufficed to keep white glue, epoxy, and CA glues on my shelf; now these are the adhesives I use least. - David R. From cph Sat Aug 5 11:00:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12926 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:00:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10080; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:58:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09932; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09919; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.89 -> web116.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:58:23 -0400 Received: (qmail 1340 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2000 14:58:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20000805145822.1339.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web116.yahoomail.com; Sat, 05 Aug 2000 07:58:22 PDT Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 07:58:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: RE: 760EL -- some DO have cache.... To: denhall@ismi.net, scosgt@worldnet.att.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: In your dreams maybe! The IBM Thinkpad 760 Users Guide, page 242, says all three 760EL processors are w/o L2 Cache. Of course they have PCI bus, they all have that but that has nothing to do with it. And no, they can't run the same as a 760ED with 256K cache. You guys should check your information more closely, get some speed tests, such as Wintune from www.winmag.com, etc. before making rash statements. --- Denis Hall wrote: > Just to add a bit here..... > some of the EL's in fact DO have 256K cache.... > And yes, I also consider them to be very fine > machines....with 64mb RAM I > find them totally capable of handling the needs of > 90% of laptop users out > there today... > > Have a Great Day, > Denis Hall, Michigan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Markowitz > To: Steve C. > Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Date: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: Price Info > > > >Actaully, the EL series is PCI bus, and runs 95 > just fine. I ahve had a > >bunch, they run the same as the 760ED. > > > >Steve C. wrote: > >> > >> Except for use with Windows. The EL series > doesn't > >> have any cache memory which makes Windows run > really > >> slow. It does better than I expected however > since > >> some desktop machines won't even run without > cache. ===== Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Sat Aug 5 11:06:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12945 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:06:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10497; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:05:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10408; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web125.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10395; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web125.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.193 -> web125.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:05:07 -0400 Received: (qmail 16253 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2000 15:05:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000805150506.16252.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web125.yahoomail.com; Sat, 05 Aug 2000 08:05:06 PDT Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 08:05:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Price Info To: "Shawn R. Lin" Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: The manual says 256K of L2 Cache. I verified that it does have the memory chips on the processor board, unlike the 760EL which is empty. There is no mention of L1 cache. --- "Shawn R. Lin" wrote: > "Steve C." wrote: > > > > Except for use with Windows. The EL series > doesn't > > have any cache memory which makes Windows run > really > > slow. It does better than I expected however > since > > some desktop machines won't even run without > cache. > > Does a 760ED have any cache memory? > The machine doesn't actually report whether it does > or not. > > Shawn > > > > ________________________________________________________ > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com ===== Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Sat Aug 5 11:16:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12956 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:16:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11148; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:15:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11049; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11036; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:15:15 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.169]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000805151513.GJGQ17157.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:15:13 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000805111243.0141e8c0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 11:12:43 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: 760EL -- some DO have cache.... In-Reply-To: <20000805145822.1339.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:58 AM 08/05/2000 -0700, Steve C. wrote: >In your dreams maybe! >The IBM Thinkpad 760 Users Guide, page 242, says all >three 760EL processors are w/o L2 Cache. > >Of course they have PCI bus, they all have that but >that has nothing to do with it. And no, they can't run > >the same as a 760ED with 256K cache. You guys should >check your information more closely, get some speed >tests, such as Wintune from www.winmag.com, etc. >before making rash statements. > I believe your statement is incorrect according to -> ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf From cph Sat Aug 5 11:48:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA13039 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:48:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12297; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:46:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12169; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12156; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:46:17 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.1.100]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000805154616.NGQA6710.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:46:16 +0000 Message-ID: <398C373A.36AE@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 11:48:10 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 760EL -- some DO have cache.... References: <3.0.1.32.20000805111243.0141e8c0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have set up and sold dozens of both models. They run the same. Even the P120 760EL runs W95 very well. I beleive they do have L2 cache. OTOH, IBM says that the TV tuner pack works in the 760 series, in fact it DOES NOT. So the docs are not always up to date and correct. Jane Loyless wrote: > > At 07:58 AM 08/05/2000 -0700, Steve C. wrote: > > >In your dreams maybe! > >The IBM Thinkpad 760 Users Guide, page 242, says all > >three 760EL processors are w/o L2 Cache. > > > >Of course they have PCI bus, they all have that but > >that has nothing to do with it. And no, they can't run > > > >the same as a 760ED with 256K cache. You guys should > >check your information more closely, get some speed > >tests, such as Wintune from www.winmag.com, etc. > >before making rash statements. > > > > I believe your statement is incorrect according to -> > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf From cph Sat Aug 5 11:57:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA13055 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:57:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12813; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:55:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12699; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12686; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:55:51 -0400 Received: from denhall (hi1hwl1-151.ismi.net [207.51.180.156]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA00143; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002601bffef6$66934280$9cb433cf@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "Steve C." Cc: Subject: Re: 760EL -- some DO have cache.... Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:01:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello again, Steve.... I make a habit of not making rash statements...and try to verify facts before posting anything....nor does Jane, from my experience... ThinkPad 760EL #9547-U4G DOES HAVE 256K L2 CACHE, as does U4T and U4K. SAME AS 760ED. And, speaking of "Chips".... it appears you may have one ?.... Dreaming away, Denis Hall, Michigan >In your dreams maybe! >The IBM Thinkpad 760 Users Guide, page 242, says all >three 760EL processors are w/o L2 Cache. > >Of course they have PCI bus, they all have that but >that has nothing to do with it. And no, they can't run > >the same as a 760ED with 256K cache. You guys should >check your information more closely, get some speed >tests, such as Wintune from www.winmag.com, etc. >before making rash statements. > >--- Denis Hall wrote: >> Just to add a bit here..... >> some of the EL's in fact DO have 256K cache.... >> And yes, I also consider them to be very fine >> machines....with 64mb RAM I >> find them totally capable of handling the needs of >> 90% of laptop users out >> there today... >> >> Have a Great Day, >> Denis Hall, Michigan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bruce Markowitz >> To: Steve C. >> Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >> Date: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: Price Info >> >> >> >Actaully, the EL series is PCI bus, and runs 95 >> just fine. I ahve had a >> >bunch, they run the same as the 760ED. >> > >> >Steve C. wrote: >> >> >> >> Except for use with Windows. The EL series >> doesn't >> >> have any cache memory which makes Windows run >> really >> >> slow. It does better than I expected however >> since >> >> some desktop machines won't even run without >> cache. > > >===== >Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com/ > From cph Sat Aug 5 12:02:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA13070 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:02:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13348; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:00:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13098; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13085; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:00:23 -0400 Received: from denhall (hi1hwl1-151.ismi.net [207.51.180.156]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA00946; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004901bffef7$07b76560$9cb433cf@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "Steve C." Cc: Subject: Re: 760EL -- some DO have cache.... Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:05:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Sorry...my rotten semantics make my comment about Jane Loyless'comment unclear....I meant to state that Jane has a good track record of making informed comments....sorry Jane...... >I make a habit of not making rash statements...and try to verify facts >before posting anything....nor does Jane, from my experience... >ThinkPad 760EL #9547-U4G DOES HAVE 256K L2 CACHE, as does U4T and >U4K. SAME >AS 760ED. -----Original Message----- From: Steve C. To: denhall@ismi.net ; scosgt@worldnet.att.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, August 05, 2000 11:00 AM Subject: RE: 760EL -- some DO have cache.... >In your dreams maybe! >The IBM Thinkpad 760 Users Guide, page 242, says all >three 760EL processors are w/o L2 Cache. > >Of course they have PCI bus, they all have that but >that has nothing to do with it. And no, they can't run > >the same as a 760ED with 256K cache. You guys should >check your information more closely, get some speed >tests, such as Wintune from www.winmag.com, etc. >before making rash statements. > >--- Denis Hall wrote: >> Just to add a bit here..... >> some of the EL's in fact DO have 256K cache.... >> And yes, I also consider them to be very fine >> machines....with 64mb RAM I >> find them totally capable of handling the needs of >> 90% of laptop users out >> there today... >> >> Have a Great Day, >> Denis Hall, Michigan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bruce Markowitz >> To: Steve C. >> Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >> Date: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: Price Info >> >> >> >Actaully, the EL series is PCI bus, and runs 95 >> just fine. I ahve had a >> >bunch, they run the same as the 760ED. >> > >> >Steve C. wrote: >> >> >> >> Except for use with Windows. The EL series >> doesn't >> >> have any cache memory which makes Windows run >> really >> >> slow. It does better than I expected however >> since >> >> some desktop machines won't even run without >> cache. > > >===== >Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com/ > From cph Sat Aug 5 12:09:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA13078 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:09:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13874; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:07:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13740; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13725; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.1 -> sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:07:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 11210 invoked by alias); 5 Aug 2000 16:07:17 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 11189 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2000 16:07:16 -0000 Received: from dialupw225.sttl.uswest.net (HELO sfupc) (216.160.86.225) by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2000 16:07:16 -0000 Message-ID: <042a01bffef6$b88e32c0$5d645a8e@triumf.ca> From: "p machule" To: References: <20000805145822.1339.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: 760EL -- some DO have cache.... Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 09:03:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Sigh... What I mean by two version of the EL was in reference to cache ...No Cache . That is what we (I ;-} were discussing . YES there is a 2nd version of the EL out with CACHE . You have the first Version which is why your manual doesn't mention the 2nd Version . It came out months later . twbook.pdf 714864 10-23-98 Quick Reference Sheets for all withdrawn ThinkPads list : 9547-U4G 9547-U4T 9547-U4K as all having 256K cache >>before making rash statements. Hmmm ..... I'll let the rest of your statements speak for themselves . LOL Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve C. > In your dreams maybe! > The IBM Thinkpad 760 Users Guide, page 242, says all > three 760EL processors are w/o L2 Cache. > > Of course they have PCI bus, they all have that but > that has nothing to do with it. And no, they can't run > > the same as a 760ED with 256K cache. You guys should > check your information more closely, get some speed > tests, such as Wintune from www.winmag.com, etc. > before making rash statements. > > --- Denis Hall wrote: > > Just to add a bit here..... > > some of the EL's in fact DO have 256K cache.... > > And yes, I also consider them to be very fine > > machines....with 64mb RAM I > > find them totally capable of handling the needs of > > 90% of laptop users out > > there today... > > > > Have a Great Day, > > Denis Hall, Michigan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bruce Markowitz > > To: Steve C. > > Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > > Date: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:54 PM > > Subject: Re: Price Info > > > > > > >Actaully, the EL series is PCI bus, and runs 95 > > just fine. I ahve had a > > >bunch, they run the same as the 760ED. > > > > > >Steve C. wrote: > > >> > > >> Except for use with Windows. The EL series > > doesn't > > >> have any cache memory which makes Windows run > > really > > >> slow. It does better than I expected however > > since > > >> some desktop machines won't even run without > > cache. > > > ===== > Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > From cph Sat Aug 5 12:15:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA13098 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:15:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14569; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:14:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14239; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14226; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.1 -> sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:14:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 18327 invoked by alias); 5 Aug 2000 16:14:07 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 18311 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2000 16:14:07 -0000 Received: from dialupw225.sttl.uswest.net (HELO sfupc) (216.160.86.225) by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2000 16:14:07 -0000 Message-ID: <043b01bffef7$ad4dd680$5d645a8e@triumf.ca> From: "p machule" To: "thinkpad" Subject: Re: 760EL -- some DO have cache....more proof ;-} Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 09:10:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Taken from the IBM sales manual : Model Summary Matrix Hard Pentium Language Software Model Drive Processor Memory Screen L2 Cache Support Preload ----- ----- --------- ------ ------------- ----- --------- -------- U4G 2.1 GB 133MHz 16MB 12.1 TFT SVGA Yes English #1 U6H 1.35GB 120MHz 8MB 11.3 DSTN SVGA No English #1 U4T 2.1 GB 133MHz 16MB 12.1 TFT SVGA Yes English None(1) http://www2.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?xh=FqYFqhSri19U7EOUSenGnN9332&request=salesmanual&parms= then type in 9547-U4G You want to bookmark this link !! It is often the only source of certain info . ...peter... From cph Sat Aug 5 12:25:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA13108 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:25:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15490; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:23:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15372; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15356; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.1 -> sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:23:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 27288 invoked by alias); 5 Aug 2000 16:23:46 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 27283 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2000 16:23:45 -0000 Received: from dialupw225.sttl.uswest.net (HELO sfupc) (216.160.86.225) by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2000 16:23:45 -0000 Message-ID: <044301bffef9$06195ae0$5d645a8e@triumf.ca> From: "p machule" To: "thinkpad" Subject: IBM sales Manual ....very usefull Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 09:20:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: http://www2.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?xh=FqYFqhSri19U7EOUSenGnN9332&request=salesmanual&parms= I was given this link by their publication division . It has not moved in months ...!! So bookmark it now ;-} ...peter... From cph Sat Aug 5 12:54:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA13149 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:54:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16903; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:52:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16788; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16775; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:52:08 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-6.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.111]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14078; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:52:01 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Steve C." , , Cc: Subject: RE: 760EL -- some DO have cache.... Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:02:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <20000805145822.1339.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Perhaps you didn't mean it that way Steve, but this message certainly reads very harshly. Especially when you consider the fact that you're 100% wrong! James > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve C. [mailto:stevec50@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 9:58 AM > To: denhall@ismi.net; scosgt@worldnet.att.net > Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: 760EL -- some DO have cache.... > > > In your dreams maybe! > The IBM Thinkpad 760 Users Guide, page 242, says all > three 760EL processors are w/o L2 Cache. > > Of course they have PCI bus, they all have that but > that has nothing to do with it. And no, they can't run > > the same as a 760ED with 256K cache. You guys should > check your information more closely, get some speed > tests, such as Wintune from www.winmag.com, etc. > before making rash statements. > > --- Denis Hall wrote: > > Just to add a bit here..... > > some of the EL's in fact DO have 256K cache.... > > And yes, I also consider them to be very fine > > machines....with 64mb RAM I > > find them totally capable of handling the needs of > > 90% of laptop users out > > there today... > > > > Have a Great Day, > > Denis Hall, Michigan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bruce Markowitz > > To: Steve C. > > Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > > Date: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:54 PM > > Subject: Re: Price Info > > > > > > >Actaully, the EL series is PCI bus, and runs 95 > > just fine. I ahve had a > > >bunch, they run the same as the 760ED. > > > > > >Steve C. wrote: > > >> > > >> Except for use with Windows. The EL series > > doesn't > > >> have any cache memory which makes Windows run > > really > > >> slow. It does better than I expected however > > since > > >> some desktop machines won't even run without > > cache. > > > ===== > Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Sat Aug 5 14:24:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA13304 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:24:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20011; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:21:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19785; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19772; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:21:53 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.188]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000805182152.IDPL7678.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 18:21:52 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000805141921.0141aae0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 14:19:21 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: IBM sales Manual ....very usefull In-Reply-To: <044301bffef9$06195ae0$5d645a8e@triumf.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:20 AM 08/05/2000 -0700, p machule wrote: >It has not moved in months ...!! >So bookmark it now ;-} > You do realize that you just tipped them off that they missed it in their last rotation, and it'll be somewhere else by Monday! LOL Thanks for the link - carefully bookmarked... From cph Sat Aug 5 14:26:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA13308 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:26:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20437; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:23:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19993; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19972; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:23:33 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.188]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000805182332.IDWY7678.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 18:23:32 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000805142102.015f94f0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 14:21:02 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: 760EL -- some DO have cache.... In-Reply-To: <004901bffef7$07b76560$9cb433cf@denhall> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:05 PM 08/05/2000 -0400, Denis Hall wrote: >Sorry...my rotten semantics make my comment about Jane Loyless'comment >unclear....I meant to state that Jane has a good track record of making >informed comments....sorry Jane...... > Informed and terse - don't forget terse! From cph Sat Aug 5 14:56:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA13453 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:56:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21764; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:54:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21613; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot014.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21600; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot014.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.114 -> pilot014.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:54:09 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm452-38.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.144]) by pilot014.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA39062 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:54:01 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000805144236.00e62c90@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 14:52:53 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 760EL -- some DO have cache.... In-Reply-To: <002601bffef6$66934280$9cb433cf@denhall> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I don't doubt this at all. First, IBM, just like other companies who make complex equipment, make changes to things and the maxtrix of products gets awfully complicated. My experience with IBM products only goes back to 1981 and the first PC, but friends who've dealt with the older big iron have told me stories of little "changes" to things that aren't always clearly documented--something that might be so in one model of a product might be a little different in another. Is it so hard to believe that a PC can't have those characteristics? Secondly, I have two 760's in the pool of machines I work on and once had both of them to work on at once, and one of them felt a little faster than the other. I suspected at the time that there was a cache difference between the two, but didn't really have the time or interest to delve into it. It did make enough of a impression on me to have remembered it, however. Lastly, folks like Denis don't make rash statements. From what I've seen him state here, he's been a straight shooter. So he has said something that wasn't common knowledge--given his past, I'd say that's more a reason to look up more about the subject than say it's a fantasy. Seems like some of the url's say this same thing, don't they.... I learn new things all the time. Looks like I did that again today. --STeve Andre' At 12:01 PM 8/5/00 -0400, Denis Hall wrote: >Hello again, Steve.... >I make a habit of not making rash statements...and try to verify facts >before posting anything....nor does Jane, from my experience... >ThinkPad 760EL #9547-U4G DOES HAVE 256K L2 CACHE, as does U4T and U4K. SAME >AS 760ED. > >And, speaking of "Chips".... it appears you may have one ?.... > >Dreaming away, >Denis Hall, Michigan > > > >In your dreams maybe! > >The IBM Thinkpad 760 Users Guide, page 242, says all > >three 760EL processors are w/o L2 Cache. > > > >Of course they have PCI bus, they all have that but > >that has nothing to do with it. And no, they can't run > > > >the same as a 760ED with 256K cache. You guys should > >check your information more closely, get some speed > >tests, such as Wintune from www.winmag.com, etc. > >before making rash statements. > > > >--- Denis Hall wrote: > >> Just to add a bit here..... > >> some of the EL's in fact DO have 256K cache.... > >> And yes, I also consider them to be very fine > >> machines....with 64mb RAM I > >> find them totally capable of handling the needs of > >> 90% of laptop users out > >> there today... > >> > >> Have a Great Day, > >> Denis Hall, Michigan > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Bruce Markowitz > >> To: Steve C. > >> Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > >> Date: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:54 PM > >> Subject: Re: Price Info > >> > >> > >> >Actaully, the EL series is PCI bus, and runs 95 > >> just fine. I ahve had a > >> >bunch, they run the same as the 760ED. > >> > > >> >Steve C. wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Except for use with Windows. The EL series > >> doesn't > >> >> have any cache memory which makes Windows run > >> really > >> >> slow. It does better than I expected however > >> since > >> >> some desktop machines won't even run without > >> cache. > > > > > >===== > >Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > >http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > From cph Sat Aug 5 22:04:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA14573 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:04:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07333; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:00:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06948; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06934; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:00:52 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.202.201 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 19:00:14 -0700 Message-ID: <002b01bfff4a$8ba9ff60$c9ca1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Trackpoint cap Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 21:03:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Found a trackpoint cap to match the color of my new paint job. Nukemike had it. jeezzz I need to get a life... Brad From cph Sat Aug 5 22:10:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA14592 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:10:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07782; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:08:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07670; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07657; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (205.152.115.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:08:14 -0400 Received: from jnipper.m-y.net (line126.m-y.net [216.77.88.56]) by my1.m-y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25618; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 21:06:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200008060106.VAA25618@my1.m-y.net> From: "Computer Guru" To: "Brad Burean" , "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Re: Trackpoint cap Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:11:54 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yep, He is the guy that I buy caps from. Real nice and quick shipping. Can always find his stuff on ebay. Jim -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ------------------------------------- ---------- > From: Brad Burean > To: Thinkpad Users > Subject: Trackpoint cap > Date: Saturday, August 05, 2000 10:03 PM > > Found a trackpoint cap to match the color of my new paint job. Nukemike had > it. > > jeezzz I need to get a life... > > Brad > From cph Sat Aug 5 22:14:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA14606 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:14:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08169; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:12:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08066; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08053; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:12:04 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.202.201 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 19:11:17 -0700 Message-ID: <004b01bfff4c$1cf85f60$c9ca1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Computer Guru" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <200008060106.VAA25618@my1.m-y.net> Subject: Re: Trackpoint cap Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 21:14:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Yes I've dealt with him before, I'm going to buy a few tonight. Brad ----- Original Message ----- From: Computer Guru To: Brad Burean ; Thinkpad Users Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 9:11 PM Subject: Re: Trackpoint cap > Yep, He is the guy that I buy caps from. Real nice and quick shipping. Can > always find his stuff on ebay. > > Jim > > -- > Regards, > Computer-Guru > pctech@southeast.net > ------------------------------------- > > ---------- > > From: Brad Burean > > To: Thinkpad Users > > Subject: Trackpoint cap > > Date: Saturday, August 05, 2000 10:03 PM > > > > Found a trackpoint cap to match the color of my new paint job. Nukemike > had > > it. > > > > jeezzz I need to get a life... > > > > Brad > > From cph Sat Aug 5 22:55:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA14693 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:55:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09816; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:52:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09674; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogopogo.flash.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09661; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogopogo.flash.net (209.30.2.14 -> ogopogo.flash.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:52:16 -0400 Received: from tomcollins (216-215-68-192.flash.net [216.215.68.192]) by ogopogo.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA04597; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 21:52:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001301bfff5a$0b7f60e0$c044d7d8@tomcollins> From: "wrench" To: "Brad Burean" , "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Re: Trackpoint cap Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:54:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Now the tedious job of painting those pesky keytops! (grin) I'll get that bezel mailed out Monday. Been busy this week with inventory.... Thanks, Tom -----Original Message----- From: Brad Burean To: Thinkpad Users Date: August 05, 2000 9:04 PM Subject: Trackpoint cap >Found a trackpoint cap to match the color of my new paint job. Nukemike had >it. > >jeezzz I need to get a life... > >Brad > > > From cph Sat Aug 5 23:08:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14741 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:08:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10878; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:04:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10436; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10420; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:04:55 -0400 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14048 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port3.magma.ca [209.217.123.3]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA11516 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008060304.XAA11516@mail4.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "Thinkpad Users" Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 23:04:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <004901bffe88$e36026c0$6fca1b3f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Painted 560 pictures List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:57:25 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >No Krylon is just a very durable enamel paint. Found at >about any hardware store, or Walmarts etc. In fact Krylon makes all kinds of weird stuff too, when I studied Graphic Design (1978-80, pre-computers) I'm pretty sure we used Krylon fixative (seals chalk, pastel, etc.) and something called "Krylon Chrystal Clear" which was a clear glossy spray. They also make a dulling spray, used it for things like killing reflection on a stainless steel kettle before photographing. You are correct that it's mostly durable enamel but i wanted to mention that make other neat stuff too. andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sat Aug 5 23:08:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14745 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:08:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10911; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:04:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10401; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10388; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:04:51 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.252.88 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 20:04:06 -0700 Message-ID: <001901bfff53$7a9f6c60$58fc163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Nude Mikes email Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:07:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: mshvartsman@socal.rr.com Tell him Booger sent ya! From cph Sat Aug 5 23:09:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14749 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:09:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11255; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:07:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10707; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web112.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10671; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web112.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.82 -> web112.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:07:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 11567 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2000 03:07:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20000806030712.11566.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web112.yahoomail.com; Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:07:12 PDT Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 20:07:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: RE: 760EL they all DO Not have cache.... To: "James H. E. Maugham" Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: So where's your proof? I have a 760EL and the IBM manual that says they don't! I was just trying to set the record straight since there is some false information going around. I don't believe there are any 760EL models with cache since they were designed to be inexpensive. Can anyone produce one? I don't care if you disagree with the IBM manual, take it up with them! --- "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > Perhaps you didn't mean it that way Steve, but this > message certainly reads very > harshly. > > Especially when you consider the fact that you're > 100% wrong! > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve C. [mailto:stevec50@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 9:58 AM > > To: denhall@ismi.net; scosgt@worldnet.att.net > > Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: RE: 760EL -- some DO have cache.... > > > > > > In your dreams maybe! > > The IBM Thinkpad 760 Users Guide, page 242, says > all > > three 760EL processors are w/o L2 Cache. > > > > Of course they have PCI bus, they all have that > but > > that has nothing to do with it. And no, they can't > run > > > > the same as a 760ED with 256K cache. You guys > should > > check your information more closely, get some > speed > > tests, such as Wintune from www.winmag.com, etc. > > before making rash statements. ===== Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Sat Aug 5 23:17:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14774 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:17:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12027; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:15:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11846; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11804; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:15:04 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.226]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000806031502.LICV7678.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 03:15:02 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000805231231.012a49f0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 23:12:31 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: 760EL they all DO Not have cache.... In-Reply-To: <20000806030712.11566.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:07 PM 08/05/2000 -0700, Steve C. wrote: >So where's your proof? I have a 760EL and the IBM >manual that says they don't! > Once more with feeling: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf From cph Sat Aug 5 23:18:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14780 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:18:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12300; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:15:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11932; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11919; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:15:44 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (206-97-58-176.ip.theriver.com [206.97.58.176]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 443EE25DB0; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 20:15:39 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <398CD94F.F84D28CA@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:19:43 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber Cc: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Painted 560 pictures References: <200008060304.XAA11516@mail4.magma.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Andrew Webber wrote: > > On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:57:25 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: > > >No Krylon is just a very durable enamel paint. Found at > >about any hardware store, or Walmarts etc. > > In fact Krylon makes all kinds of weird stuff too, when I studied > Graphic Design (1978-80, pre-computers) I'm pretty sure we used > Krylon fixative (seals chalk, pastel, etc.) and something called > "Krylon Chrystal Clear" which was a clear glossy spray. They also > make a dulling spray, used it for things like killing reflection on > a stainless steel kettle before photographing. > And I have a non-glossy fixitive for the work that I did in the Art world... > You are correct that it's mostly durable enamel but i wanted to > mention that make other neat stuff too. > They certainly do. James Mckenzie From cph Sat Aug 5 23:27:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14865 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:27:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13023; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:25:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12917; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12904; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (206.191.0.250 -> mx2.magma.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:25:07 -0400 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15297 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port3.magma.ca [209.217.123.3]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA12703 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008060325.XAA12703@mail4.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "Thinkpad Users" Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 23:24:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <398CD94F.F84D28CA@theriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Painted 560 pictures List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:19:43 -0700, James Mckenzie wrote: >And I have a non-glossy fixitive for the work that I >did in the Art world... Yeah, "workable fixative" which you could paint/ink/whatever on. But it supposedly made Letraset transfer lettering run, and you were only supposed to use special Letraset-brand sealant for that (according to Letraset that is). One of my classmates used to reminisce about using cheap hairspray as a non-workable fixative when they (starving artists) couldn't afford "real" fixative. She said their work used to stink! andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sat Aug 5 23:33:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14878 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:33:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13571; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:31:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13472; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13458; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (206.191.0.250 -> mx2.magma.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:31:03 -0400 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15402 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port3.magma.ca [209.217.123.3]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA13013 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008060331.XAA13013@mail4.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 23:30:42 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP600: dead battery List-Unsubscribe: Several months ago I bought a second battery for my TP600. It's been in my machine ever since. Recently I ran it right down and put the original one back in. I thought I'd charged it before removing, but it didn't respond. Thinking I'd run it down and never re-charged, I plugged in the notebook and the battery didn't take a charge at all. It's two years old now (6/98), but I don't recall any particular trouble before. Is it possible it went dead due to mishandling or storage while it was out of the machine? Is there anything I can try, or should I just dispose of it in an environmentally-sensitive manner and be grateful I bought that second one? Thanks! andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sat Aug 5 23:35:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14883 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:35:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13978; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:32:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13744; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web109.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13679; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web109.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.76 -> web109.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:32:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 26598 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2000 03:32:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000806033255.26597.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web109.yahoomail.com; Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:32:55 PDT Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 20:32:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: 760EL -- some DO have cache....more proof ;-} To: p machule Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Seems to be a typo. in the Sales Manual. A 760 with 133 Mhz Pentium and L2 cache would be a 760E, according to the IBM Mobile Systems HMM volume 4. Again, do you have one to show? Let's see it! --- p machule wrote: > Taken from the IBM sales manual : > > Model Summary Matrix > > Hard Pentium > Language Software > Model Drive Processor Memory Screen L2 > Cache Support Preload > ----- ----- --------- ------ ------------- > ----- --------- -------- > U4G 2.1 GB 133MHz 16MB 12.1 TFT SVGA > Yes English #1 > U6H 1.35GB 120MHz 8MB 11.3 DSTN SVGA No > English #1 > U4T 2.1 GB 133MHz 16MB 12.1 TFT SVGA > Yes English None(1) > > http://www2.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?xh=FqYFqhSri19U7EOUSenGnN9332&request=salesmanual&parms= > > then type in 9547-U4G > > You want to bookmark this link !! > It is often the only source of certain info . > > ...peter... > > ===== Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Sat Aug 5 23:41:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14901 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:41:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14704; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:38:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14340; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web109.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14327; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web109.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.76 -> web109.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:38:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 26904 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2000 03:38:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000806033824.26903.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web109.yahoomail.com; Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:38:24 PDT Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 20:38:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: 760EL -- some DO have cache.... To: p machule Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Seems to be a typo. in the Sales Manual. A 760 with 133 Mhz Pentium and L2 cache would be a 760E, according to the IBM Mobile Systems HMM volume 4. Maybe they did come out with one to rectify the situation by re-labeling a 760E after a lot of complaints. But I've never seen or heard of one. Again, do you have one to show? Let's see it! And it's not MY manual, I didn't write it, it's the latest one from IBM. --- p machule wrote: > Sigh... > What I mean by two version of the EL was in > reference to cache ...No Cache . > That is what we (I ;-} were discussing . > YES there is a 2nd version of the EL out with CACHE > . > You have the first Version which is why your manual > doesn't mention the 2nd Version . > It came out months later . > twbook.pdf 714864 10-23-98 Quick Reference > Sheets for all withdrawn ThinkPads > list : > 9547-U4G > 9547-U4T > 9547-U4K > as all having 256K cache > > > > >>before making rash statements. > > Hmmm ..... > I'll let the rest of your statements speak for > themselves . > LOL > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve C. > > > In your dreams maybe! > > The IBM Thinkpad 760 Users Guide, page 242, says > all > > three 760EL processors are w/o L2 Cache. > > > > Of course they have PCI bus, they all have that > but > > that has nothing to do with it. And no, they can't > run > > > > the same as a 760ED with 256K cache. You guys > should > > check your information more closely, get some > speed > > tests, such as Wintune from www.winmag.com, etc. > > before making rash statements. > > > > --- Denis Hall wrote: > > > Just to add a bit here..... > > > some of the EL's in fact DO have 256K cache.... > > > And yes, I also consider them to be very fine > > > machines....with 64mb RAM I > > > find them totally capable of handling the needs > of > > > 90% of laptop users out > > > there today... > > > > > > Have a Great Day, > > > Denis Hall, Michigan > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bruce Markowitz > > > To: Steve C. > > > Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > > > Date: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:54 PM > > > Subject: Re: Price Info > > > > > > > > > >Actaully, the EL series is PCI bus, and runs 95 > > > just fine. I ahve had a > > > >bunch, they run the same as the 760ED. > > > > > > > >Steve C. wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Except for use with Windows. The EL series > > > doesn't > > > >> have any cache memory which makes Windows run > > > really > > > >> slow. It does better than I expected however > > > since > > > >> some desktop machines won't even run without > > > cache. > > > > > > ===== > > Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your > money! > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > > ===== Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Sat Aug 5 23:52:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14920 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:52:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15827; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:50:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15715; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15701; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:50:22 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (206-97-58-176.ip.theriver.com [206.97.58.176]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CACB25E49; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 20:50:18 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <398CE16D.8A4A2697@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:54:21 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: TP600: dead battery References: <200008060331.XAA13013@mail4.magma.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Andrew Webber wrote: > > Several months ago I bought a second battery for my TP600. It's > been in my machine ever since. > > Recently I ran it right down and put the original one back in. I > thought I'd charged it before removing, but it didn't respond. > Thinking I'd run it down and never re-charged, I plugged in the > notebook and the battery didn't take a charge at all. > You can try to discharge and recharge the battery in the machine. > It's two years old now (6/98), but I don't recall any particular > trouble before. Is it possible it went dead due to mishandling or > storage while it was out of the machine? I have several two and three year old LiOn batteries. However, they have been pulled when they were fully charged, not in any state of discharge. And I pull one and put the other in every couple of months. > > Is there anything I can try, or should I just dispose of it in an > environmentally-sensitive manner and be grateful I bought that > second one? Try to get any activity out of the battery first. BTW, what happens when you put the battery in, and then plug the adapter into the unit afterwards. If you get the old 'flashing' orange light, the battery is dead and will not charge.... James Mckenzie From cph Sat Aug 5 23:56:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14934 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:56:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16296; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:54:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16130; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web109.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16117; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web109.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.76 -> web109.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:54:23 -0400 Received: (qmail 27964 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2000 03:54:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000806035421.27963.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web109.yahoomail.com; Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:54:21 PDT Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 20:54:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: RE: 760EL -- some DO have cache.... To: Jane Loyless Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: If you read the fine print carefully it says the 100, 120 and 133Mhz models have no cache but can be upgraded to Pentium 133 with 256K L2 cache by replacing the processor card. It's the same one used in the 760E! Or they could just take a 760E and call it an EL. I guess it depends on whether you believe the marketing hype or not. --- Jane Loyless wrote: > At 07:58 AM 08/05/2000 -0700, Steve C. wrote: > > >In your dreams maybe! > >The IBM Thinkpad 760 Users Guide, page 242, says > all > >three 760EL processors are w/o L2 Cache. > > > >Of course they have PCI bus, they all have that but > >that has nothing to do with it. And no, they can't > run > > > >the same as a 760ED with 256K cache. You guys > should > >check your information more closely, get some speed > >tests, such as Wintune from www.winmag.com, etc. > >before making rash statements. > > > > I believe your statement is incorrect according to > -> > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf ===== Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun Aug 6 00:01:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA14952 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:01:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17078; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:00:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16961; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16937; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:00:09 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (206-97-58-176.ip.theriver.com [206.97.58.176]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1FDB25E49; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 21:00:00 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <398CE3B5.87D1314D@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:04:05 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steve C." Cc: p machule , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760EL -- some DO have cache....more proof ;-} References: <20000806033255.26597.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: "Steve C." wrote: > Not to 'blow your wad' but I decided to look at the following: http://www1.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?request=salesmanual&parms=SMS&xh=Jg6LNNfhu8IE6H1USenGnN9332&xhi=salesmanual%5E&product=9547-u4t&search=&title=T&type=D#TOC011 Which was a lookup on the U4T model and here are the results: No Charge Specify Codes IBM U.S. M&S and Canada English Machines Preload 1 (Windows 95) Part Machine Description Number Type Model ------------------------------------ -------- ------ ----- ThinkPad 760EL (2.1GB, Pentium 133MHz, 16MB, 12.1 TFT SVGA, L2 Cache) 82H5494 9547 U4G ThinkPad 760EL (1.35GB, Pentium 120MHz, 8MB, 11.3 DSTN SVGA) 82H5495 9547 U6H Part Machine Description - No Preinstalled Software Number Type Model -------------------------------------- ------- ------- ----- ThinkPad 760EL (2.1GB, Pentium 133MHz, 16MB, 12.1 TFT SVGA, L2 Cache) 82H8944 9547 U4T NOTE: These blank HDD (no preinstalled software) systems are available. Orders must be for pallet quantities (24 systems) only. The pallet will not include any preinstalled software, software manuals, software licenses, or the software envelope. Looks like either IBM does not know what it is talking about, or there are two 760EL models with L2 cache. In any case, I'm kinda tired of the "my horse is better than your horse" stories going on here. Let it rest that at least ONE 760EL model shipped with L2 cache. BTW, since that model was withdrawn a few years ago, why are we arguing about this? James Mckenzie From cph Sun Aug 6 00:28:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA15045 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:28:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19139; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:25:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18776; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18763; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:25:36 -0400 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27255 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port3.magma.ca [209.217.123.3]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA16013 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008060425.AAA16013@mail4.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 00:25:08 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: BIHN carrying case for Thinkpad? List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:00:51 -0400, William Armstrong wrote: >Take a look at Tom Bihn's backpacks and sleeves. You >can find them at www.tombihn.com. IMHO, this is the >best stuff out there, and I've tried many of them. [...] >I've traveled >with this bag all over the world, and also use it >daily to commute on my bike to and from my nearby >office or to meetings here in New York City. Bill, do you find the Bihn cases scream, "computer inside"? What about the colour scheme? I'm very tempted by something bright, i.e. Blue or Crimson, but maybe all-black is safer from the unobtrusive angle. "travelled over the world": does it fit as carry-on? Its specs imply it does (at least wrt AA at 45" L+W+D, and AC at 9x15.5x21.5, and UA at 9x14x22). When I was going to LA for a week at a time, I found I could use an 8x13x18" wheeled bag as all my luggage, and my Port computer bag stuffed to the brim as the second bag (this was on AC and later CP, where each of two carry-on bags has a different size limit), and no checked luggage. Can you get clothes in it? (Assuming it fits as carry-on). Do you find the LapDog is useable by itself as a short-term computer bag? Have you tried the "Deluxe Shoulder Strap" with it? (There appears to be no shoulder strap on the LapDog). I'm going to San Francisco for four days at the end of August, and with Bihn's free 2-day shipping, it would be the ideal time to pick one up (and have a chance to try it before paying duty & taxes at the border, and then have to deal with getting them back if I return it). Thanks! andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sun Aug 6 01:01:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA15118 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:01:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20487; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:58:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20351; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20338; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:58:48 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.1.67]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000806045847.LVCU7678.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 04:58:47 +0000 Message-ID: <398CF0F8.1407@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 01:00:40 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steve C." CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760EL -- some DO have cache....more proof ;-} References: <20000806033255.26597.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: What the hell do you want me to do, stuff it into an envelope and mail it to you, just to prove a point? You are WRONG, I am sitting here looking at it, give it up! Steve C. wrote: > > Seems to be a typo. in the Sales Manual. A 760 with > 133 Mhz Pentium and L2 cache would be a 760E, > according to the IBM Mobile Systems HMM volume 4. > Again, do you have one to show? Let's see it! > > --- p machule wrote: > > Taken from the IBM sales manual : > > > > Model Summary Matrix > > > > Hard Pentium > > Language Software > > Model Drive Processor Memory Screen L2 > > Cache Support Preload > > ----- ----- --------- ------ ------------- > > ----- --------- -------- > > U4G 2.1 GB 133MHz 16MB 12.1 TFT SVGA > > Yes English #1 > > U6H 1.35GB 120MHz 8MB 11.3 DSTN SVGA No > > English #1 > > U4T 2.1 GB 133MHz 16MB 12.1 TFT SVGA > > Yes English None(1) > > > > > http://www2.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?xh=FqYFqhSri19U7EOUSenGnN9332&request=salesmanual&parms= > > > > then type in 9547-U4G > > > > You want to bookmark this link !! > > It is often the only source of certain info . > > > > ...peter... > > > > > > ===== > Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun Aug 6 01:27:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA15191 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:27:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21381; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:24:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21247; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21234; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.105 -> pilot005.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:24:17 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm452-42.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.148]) by pilot005.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA62268 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:24:15 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000806012122.00e61930@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 01:22:37 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 760EL -- some DO have cache....more proof ;-} In-Reply-To: <398CF0F8.1407@worldnet.att.net> References: <20000806033255.26597.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I am reminded of the phrase "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink" --STeve Andre' At 01:00 AM 8/6/00 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >What the hell do you want me to do, stuff it into an envelope and mail >it to you, just to prove a point? >You are WRONG, I am sitting here looking at it, give it up! > >Steve C. wrote: > > > > Seems to be a typo. in the Sales Manual. A 760 with > > 133 Mhz Pentium and L2 cache would be a 760E, > > according to the IBM Mobile Systems HMM volume 4. > > Again, do you have one to show? Let's see it! > > > > --- p machule wrote: > > > Taken from the IBM sales manual : > > > > > > Model Summary Matrix > > > > > > Hard Pentium > > > Language Software > > > Model Drive Processor Memory Screen L2 > > > Cache Support Preload > > > ----- ----- --------- ------ ------------- > > > ----- --------- -------- > > > U4G 2.1 GB 133MHz 16MB 12.1 TFT SVGA > > > Yes English #1 > > > U6H 1.35GB 120MHz 8MB 11.3 DSTN SVGA No > > > English #1 > > > U4T 2.1 GB 133MHz 16MB 12.1 TFT SVGA > > > Yes English None(1) > > > > > > > > > http://www2.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?xh=FqYFqhSri19U7EOUSenGnN9332&request=salesmanual&parms= > > > > > > then type in 9547-U4G > > > > > > You want to bookmark this link !! > > > It is often the only source of certain info . > > > > > > ...peter... > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > > http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun Aug 6 01:29:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA15197 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:29:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21724; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:27:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21586; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21573; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:27:00 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-22.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.127]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA06535; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 05:26:54 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Steve C." , "Jane Loyless" Cc: Subject: RE: 760EL -- some DO have cache.... Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:37:36 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <20000806035421.27963.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Skip down one line to the "Fall 1996 Models" of 760ELs. Models U4G and U4K came with "256 KB / write-back / direct mapped / 10 ns / synchronous pipelined burst" cache. 86 this thread. James Steve C. [mailto:stevec50@yahoo.com] wrote: > If you read the fine print carefully it says the 100, > 120 and 133Mhz models have no cache but can be > upgraded to Pentium 133 with 256K L2 cache by > replacing the processor card. It's the same one used > in the 760E! Or they could just take a 760E and call > it an EL. I guess it depends on whether you believe > the marketing hype or not. From cph Sun Aug 6 01:36:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA15208 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:36:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22224; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:34:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22057; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bunyip.flash.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22044; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bunyip.flash.net (209.30.2.15 -> bunyip.flash.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:34:27 -0400 Received: from tomcollins (216-215-68-192.flash.net [216.215.68.192]) by bunyip.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA20055 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:34:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <039a01bfff70$b4d45ea0$c044d7d8@tomcollins> From: "wrench" To: Subject: argh! Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:36:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I like this list, found it informative, found links that helped me immensely, but: all this bickering over OS wars and L2 Cache is counter productive! Can't we all just get along? Or at least take our differences to a private forum? From cph Sun Aug 6 04:53:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA15547 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 04:53:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29704; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 04:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 04:50:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29573; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 04:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29560; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 04:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 04:50:40 -0400 Received: from user-38lc72o.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lc72o.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.28.88]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA22656; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 04:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008060850.EAA22656@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "p machule" , "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 04:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <043b01bffef7$ad4dd680$5d645a8e@triumf.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760EL -- some DO have cache....more proof ;-} List-Unsubscribe: Whatever a manual may say, cache is always a curiosity. To verify the amount of cache, and the type, there is a little freeware DOS program. It is cache check. Try it. On Sat, 5 Aug 2000 09:10:29 -0700, p machule wrote: >Taken from the IBM sales manual : > >Model Summary Matrix > > Hard Pentium Language Software >Model Drive Processor Memory Screen L2 Cache Support Preload >----- ----- --------- ------ ------------- ----- --------- -------- > U4G 2.1 GB 133MHz 16MB 12.1 TFT SVGA Yes English #1 > U6H 1.35GB 120MHz 8MB 11.3 DSTN SVGA No English #1 > U4T 2.1 GB 133MHz 16MB 12.1 TFT SVGA Yes English None(1) > >http://www2.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?xh=FqYFqhSri19U7EOUSenGnN9332&r equest=salesmanual&parms= > >then type in 9547-U4G > >You want to bookmark this link !! >It is often the only source of certain info . > >...peter... > > From cph Sun Aug 6 07:21:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA25427 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:21:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06959; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:18:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06845; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06832; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:18:29 -0400 Received: from WALD7 (user-2ive0f0.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.1.224]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA23088; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:18:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Andrew Webber" , "Thinkpad Users" Subject: RE: Painted 560 pictures Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:21:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200008060304.XAA11516@mail4.magma.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Andrew, >> Bill, do you find the Bihn cases scream, "computer inside"? What about the colour scheme? I'm very tempted by something bright, i.e. Blue or Crimson, but maybe all-black is safer from the unobtrusive angle.<< It's possible that a savy thief would know that there is a laptop inside, but these bags really look like backpacks. I'm from New York City so of course I prefer black. It looks less dirty over time. >>"travelled over the world": does it fit as carry-on? Its specs imply it does (at least wrt AA at 45" L+W+D, and AC at 9x15.5x21.5, and UA at 9x14x22). When I was going to LA for a week at a time, I found I could use an 8x13x18" wheeled bag as all my luggage, and my Port computer bag stuffed to the brim as the second bag (this was on AC and later CP, where each of two carry-on bags has a different size limit), and no checked luggage. Can you get clothes in it? (Assuming it fits as carry-on). Do you find the LapDog is useable by itself as a short-term computer bag? Have you tried the "Deluxe Shoulder Strap" with it? (There appears to be no shoulder strap on the LapDog).<< I always carry it on. Never had a problem with the airlines. Sometimes it gets too full and I cannot get it into the overhead bin. Usually I take my laptop out inside the lapdog and put it under the seat in front of me. The one thing I do not like is when I take these small 10 seaters Nantucket. They have to put the bag in the wing. There is a lot of extra room in this bag. How you use it up to you. I generally keep all my work related stuff in it, which is enough to make a heavy load. I often use the LapDog by itself for meetings and short-term jaunts. It has a pocket that will hold few flattish things like my Palm and some papers. Mine came with the shoulder strap. I guess Tom does not include it anymore. Get the shoulder strap. Good luck, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Webber [mailto:awebber@wwwebbers.com] Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 11:04 PM To: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Painted 560 pictures On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:57:25 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >No Krylon is just a very durable enamel paint. Found at >about any hardware store, or Walmarts etc. In fact Krylon makes all kinds of weird stuff too, when I studied Graphic Design (1978-80, pre-computers) I'm pretty sure we used Krylon fixative (seals chalk, pastel, etc.) and something called "Krylon Chrystal Clear" which was a clear glossy spray. They also make a dulling spray, used it for things like killing reflection on a stainless steel kettle before photographing. You are correct that it's mostly durable enamel but i wanted to mention that make other neat stuff too. andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sun Aug 6 09:23:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA25885 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:22:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10119; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:20:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10015; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cochiti.nm.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10002; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008061319.JAA10002@cs.utk.edu> Received: from cochiti.nm.org (129.121.1.13 -> cochiti.nm.org) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:19:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 74014 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2000 13:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (198.59.120.83) by cochiti.nm.org with SMTP; 6 Aug 2000 13:19:50 -0000 From: "J. Michael Stolp" To: "J. Michael Stolp" Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 07:14:56 -0600 (MDT) Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: WSeB and Win2K Pro - Thinkpad Logon List-Unsubscribe: Our LANs' domain servers are WSeB. We are able to logon to the network with W95 and W98, using an IBM network client utility available on Software Choice. We have a couple of Thinkpad 600X's with 2 separate hard drives - one hard drive's configuration was previously W98, and other is Warp4. We recently upgraded the W98 to Win2K Pro. Of course the Warp4 configuration logs on to the network with no problem. How do we logon to the WSeB network with the Win2K Pro clients? The earlier utility for W9x does not seem to install or work on Win2K Pro, and we do not see an updated utility for Win2K on Software Choice. -- Warmest Regards. Mike From cph Sun Aug 6 09:36:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA25964 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:36:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10676; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:33:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10578; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10565; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:33:30 -0400 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22117 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port3.magma.ca [209.217.123.3]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA04881 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008061333.JAA04881@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "Thinkpad Users" Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 09:33:08 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: BIHN carrying cases [was RE: Painted 560 pictures] List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:21:20 -0400, William Armstrong wrote: >It's possible that a savy thief would know that there >is a laptop inside, but these bags really look like >backpacks. I'm from New York City so of course I >prefer black. It looks less dirty over time. Hmm, that's a point I should consider too (I live in a clean city but always manage to rub up against objects). >I always carry it on. Never had a problem with >the airlines. Technically its depth is right at the limit set by many airlines (9") although TWA is 10". Having the LapDog for the computer is good, as you say you can take it out before stowing the backpack and not have to go back up for it during flight. "Skycheck" (where you leave your bag beside the plane and pick it up when you get off) isn't too bad if you know it's coming (the bags don't travel too far), what's worse is you never know when a big plane will be full and they'll make you gate-check (often into regular cargo, i.e. pick up at carousel) it! >There is a lot of extra room in this bag. How you use it >up to you. I generally keep all my work related stuff in >it, which is enough to make a heavy load. It's really important to have that flexibility. Once I discovered my 18" wheeled bag would just do for a week's trip, I could pack light and go with no checked bags (stuff jammed everywhere) or I could take a checked suitcase if I needed "good clothes". >I often use the LapDog by itself for meetings and short-term >jaunts. It has a pocket that will hold few flattish things >like my Palm and some papers. Mine came with the shoulder >strap. I guess Tom does not include it anymore. Get the >shoulder strap. When I order, I'll check. I wouldn't be surprised if the same shoulder strap still comes with it, as a no-charge option. It's hard to believe a super comfortable deluxe strap, designed as an upgrade on the messenger bags, would be required for a bag that really only holds my 5lb notebook! (Perhaps they found a lot of people were only using the LapDog inside something else, and didn't want a shoulder strap to deal with). Thanks again for your comments! andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sun Aug 6 09:42:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA25994 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:42:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11057; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:39:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10945; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10931; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.40 -> mail1.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:39:35 -0400 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000806133934.VMQH316.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a>; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:39:34 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: "Andrew Webber" , "Thinkpad Users" Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:39:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BIHN carrying cases [was RE: Painted 560 pictures] Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com Message-ID: <398D3255.7395.2306932@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200008061333.JAA04881@mail6.magma.ca> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: At 2000 August 6 - Sunday 9:33, Andrew Webber spoke about *Re: BIHN carrying cases [was RE: Painted 560 pict...* saying > When I order, I'll check. I wouldn't be surprised if the same > shoulder strap still comes with it, as a no-charge option. It's > hard to believe a super comfortable deluxe strap, designed as an > upgrade on the messenger bags, would be required for a bag that > really only holds my 5lb notebook! (Perhaps they found a lot of > people were only using the LapDog inside something else, and didn't > want a shoulder strap to deal with). A shoulder strap also frees the hands for other things. Many ladies have straps on their purses so they can hold all their shopping bags. Also helps prevent purse snatchers if you keep the strap around your neck. Tom ------------ Tom Trottier ICQ: 57647974 Abacurial Information Technology Consulting 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Sun Aug 6 09:52:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA26042 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:52:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11644; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:49:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11548; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11534; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:49:29 -0400 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24990 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port3.magma.ca [209.217.123.3]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA05726 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008061349.JAA05726@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "Thinkpad Users" Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 09:49:06 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <398D3255.7395.2306932@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: BIHN carrying cases [was RE: Painted 560 pictures] List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA26043 On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:39:33 -0400, Tom Trottier wrote: >A shoulder strap also frees the hands for >other things. I agree, and that's why I want one. And the Deluxe strap that bihn sells is probably much more comfortable and healthier too. I just couldn't believe the only strap was a "Deluxe" one when the LapDog is so empty (if the caf‚ bag can have a cheaper strap standard, surely that one would be good enough for the occasional LD use). It's _optional_ in bold but I can't believe there isn't some sort of shoulder strap available at no charge (none in the picture, though). >Also helps prevent purse snatchers if you keep the >strap around your neck. I also believe (with no evidence to back it up) that it's healthier too. When a bag is hanging from the shoulder on the same side as the bag, the only way to keep it from slipping is to raise that side. With it across your body, it's easier to stop it from slipping. andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sun Aug 6 12:01:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26557 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:01:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16123; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 11:58:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15990; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 11:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cochiti.nm.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15977; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 11:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008061558.LAA15977@cs.utk.edu> Received: from cochiti.nm.org (129.121.1.13 -> cochiti.nm.org) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 11:58:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 33948 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2000 15:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (198.59.120.83) by cochiti.nm.org with SMTP; 6 Aug 2000 15:57:59 -0000 From: "J. Michael Stolp" To: "J. Michael Stolp" Cc: "Roger L. Stolp" , "Thinkpad List" , "OS2 Super Site" , "Possi Discussion List" Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 09:52:47 -0600 (MDT) Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200008061319.JAA10002@cs.utk.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WSeB and Win2K Pro - Thinkpad Logon - FIGURED OUT! List-Unsubscribe: Since our earlier post, I figured out the issues involved to log onto the WSeB domain, and to access those various network resources. When installing Win2K Pro, the initial installation is for "Administrator" user. Now if one proceeds to Start-Settings-Control Panel-Users and Passwords to create a User with ID and Password that corresponds to that required on the WSeB - Voila! Off and running! Not surprisingly, the procedure is in similar fashion to that required for NT4.0. I have not yet tried to browse the TP's Win2K Pro's resources from the WSeB, and really do not need that function, although I suspect that it can be done, perhaps even rather handily. On the one hand, perhaps I am the only one to try to figure this out, on the other hand perhaps this experience will help others. -- Mike -=- On Sun, 06 Aug 2000 07:14:56 -0600 (MDT), J. Michael Stolp wrote: >Our LANs' domain servers are WSeB. > >We are able to logon to the network with W95 and W98, using an >IBM network client utility available on Software Choice. > >We have a couple of Thinkpad 600X's with 2 separate hard drives >- one hard drive's configuration was previously W98, and other >is Warp4. We recently upgraded the W98 to Win2K Pro. Of course >the Warp4 configuration logs on to the network with no problem. > >How do we logon to the WSeB network with the Win2K Pro clients? >The earlier utility for W9x does not seem to install or work on >Win2K Pro, and we do not see an updated utility for Win2K on >Software Choice. From cph Sun Aug 6 12:25:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26683 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:25:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17994; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:22:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17662; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17648; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.153 -> ds-img-7.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:22:18 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id MAA08586 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:21:59 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: New Screens for 365x available Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200008061222_MC2-AEC6-37C1@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA26684 Hi Guys, I have unearthed a quantity of TPad 365x screens - all new - with lid assembly. If anyone is interested, please drop me a line. Mark From cph Sun Aug 6 16:23:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA27354 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:23:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25728; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:21:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25585; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25572; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:21:42 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.252.108 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 13:20:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bfffe4$3f7ac4e0$6cfc163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Surround sound Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:23:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Just picked up a set of surround sound speakers for my 560. The set has 4 small speakers and 1 subwoofer. They sound great! BUT, I wonder if there is a better sound driver than the stock driver that came with the system. Anybody else running these kind of speakers on a older thinkpad? Brad From cph Sun Aug 6 17:01:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA27490 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:01:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27089; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:59:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26920; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26906; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.3 -> ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:59:39 -0400 Received: (qmail 46703 invoked by alias); 6 Aug 2000 20:59:37 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 46689 invoked by uid 0); 6 Aug 2000 20:59:36 -0000 Received: from dialuph130.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.88.130) by ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 2000 20:59:36 -0000 Message-ID: <398DD03A.477AC9D1@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 13:53:14 -0700 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "os2-linux@onelist.com" , "Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Caldera OpenLinux 2.2 question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Folks, I am trying to instal Caldera OpenLinux 2.2 on a thinkpad 360cse 36 meg ram, 810meg hd. Using a Microsolotions Backpack parallel port CD-rom drive. The automatic install fails because it can't find my cdrom drive. There are drivers for this cdrom on the cd and a discussion in the book about it. However the install disk image doesn't have the driver on it and I don't have anyway of editing the install files or adding the driver. From DOS, OS/2 or Win95 the install disk is unreadable. The automatic install uses rawrite and a single disk image. Unlike the slackware it does boot the Thinkpad. So how do I access the install boot floppy to tell it to see the Backpack drive? -- Patrick West pgp 2.6.2 key fingerprint = 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E 41 From cph Sun Aug 6 19:04:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA28095 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 19:04:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01327; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 19:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 19:00:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01167; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 19:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01152; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 19:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 19:00:47 -0400 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29484 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 19:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port3.magma.ca [209.217.123.3]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09334 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 19:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008062300.TAA09334@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 18:59:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Travelstar E (external PCMCIA) List-Unsubscribe: I finally gave in* and clicked on a banner ad for an 8Gb external HD from IBM. Price is U$299 and includes what appears to be a tethered PCMCIA card (cable tethered to card that is, I hope it's not tethered to the enclosure!!). No power cord needed. Part number is 34L4223. There's also a 10Gb version for U$349. Any thoughts or experience on these? They're advertised as a JAZ drive alternative. (Picture of 4 removable disks next to the drive). Thanks! From cph Sun Aug 6 20:48:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA28415 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:48:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13694; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:46:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13024; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12990; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:46:48 -0400 Received: from athe530-e127.otenet.gr (athe530-f182.otenet.gr [212.205.234.182]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e770jvl26947 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 03:45:57 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200008070045.e770jvl26947@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 03:44:40 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <000701bfffe4$3f7ac4e0$6cfc163f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Surround sound List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id UAA13694 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id UAA28416 On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:23:38 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >Just picked up a set of surround sound speakers for my 560. The set has 4 >small speakers and 1 subwoofer. They sound great! BUT, I wonder if there >is a better sound driver than the stock driver that came with the system. >Anybody else running these kind of speakers on a older thinkpad? The driver wont make a difference, there isn't a single ThinkPad that i know which has a any output other than Stereo. Your speaker system is called 4.1 (5.1 is the Dolby Digital, and 7.1 is THX) and needs two outputs, to use one stereo out for the front speakers and the other stereo out for the surround speakers. I haven't seen any laptop with anything other than one single stereo out, so your surround system will only play at 2.1 stereo sound + subwoofer. PS 1: the subwoofer always plays whatever the output type PS 2: for 5.1 or better surrount you need a Digital in/out. Usualy on DYN or SPDIF connectors. (5.1 is supported by SBLive! and some Yamaha cards) PS 3: for 4.1 you need two stereo outs labeled as Front and Rear. (4.1 is supported by SoundBlaster 128/512 cards, and others) PS 4: some sound cards also produce PRO LOGIC sound, but you need a PRO LOGIC decoder to analize the signal, which may come from Digital input or Analog. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Aug 6 21:21:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA28532 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:21:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19167; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:19:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18775; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18762; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:19:13 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA23860 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:19:08 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000d01c0000d$82ba5bc0$3c8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: [TP560] Re: Surround sound Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:19:13 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: The 560 does not have very good sound hardware; even if a new driver was available, it wouldn't help some of the intrinsic limitations (e.g., half-duplex - very annoying when trying to do internet telephony!) - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 10:23 AM Subject: Surround sound Just picked up a set of surround sound speakers for my 560. The set has 4 small speakers and 1 subwoofer. They sound great! BUT, I wonder if there is a better sound driver than the stock driver that came with the system. Anybody else running these kind of speakers on a older thinkpad? Brad From cph Sun Aug 6 21:33:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA28559 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:33:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21719; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:32:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20440; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20423; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (205.152.115.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:32:00 -0400 Received: from jnipper.m-y.net (line102.m-y.net [216.77.88.32]) by my1.m-y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03302 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:30:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200008070030.UAA03302@my1.m-y.net> From: "Computer Guru" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: Off Topic: For Trade/FS Nec Versa Laptop Mint Condition Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:35:50 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi All, I have decided to sell or trade my above laptop for another thinkpad. Everything is in mint condition, I would just rather have another thinkpad, since I already have one and am used to the keyboard and pointer stick on it. I would like to trade it for a Thinkpad in the same range of specs. I will take cash offers.! It is a great package, mint condition and very fast for what it is. Nec Versa M/100 Laptop Intel 486-DX-100 40 Megs of Ram 810 Meg HDD Active TFT Color Screen 1.44 Meg Floppy Built In Trackball Mouse Wonderful Keyboard Good Battery 1.5+ hours Power Adapter Mint Condition No Problems Has all port covers, Not missing anything. Runs as fast as some pentiums. Will also add the following to the package: Extra 810 HDD and caddy Extra 1.44 floppy Extra good battery 1.5 hour Extra Power adapter Extra TFT Screen. Make me a good Offer. Thanks you all. Jim -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ------------------------------------- From cph Mon Aug 7 00:46:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA29213 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:46:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03743; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:40:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03318; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03304; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (216.100.248.113 -> adsl-216-100-248-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:40:16 -0400 Received: (from bandy@localhost) by cinnamon.com (8.10.2/8.6.12) id e774g0N14518 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:42:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Beals Message-Id: <200008070442.e774g0N14518@cinnamon.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: surround sound on thinkpads List-Unsubscribe: My 770ED has dolby digital out. Didn't get sound out with my DVD's for a little while because the drivers were set for digi out rather than analog. From cph Mon Aug 7 01:59:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA29459 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:59:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06137; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:55:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05844; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05821; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:55:22 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-52.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.52]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA03894 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:55:19 +0300 Message-Id: <200008070555.IAA03894@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 08:31:42 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3978AD3F.B9CA6465@mail.orion.org> Subject: Re: Wireless networking X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zg List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 at 03:06 PM you, "Shawn R. Lin" , said: >Sure, I do it wireless at 2.4GHz using Diamond Multimedia's HomeFree >Wireless. >It's the cheapest, especially if you have an ISA slot in your desktop >machine. Slow, since it's just 1mbps, but it's plenty fast enough for my >56k internet connection (via internet sharing) and plenty fast enough for >printer sharing. A bit slow for copying large files or running install >files from the desktop machine though. A "Combo Pac" which includes 1 >PCMCIA card for your laptop, and 1 ISA card for your desktop PC retails >for $179, but I bought the Combo Pac for $47 on Diamond's online auction >(http://eauction.diamondmm.com). Last time it went for $55. At any >rate, for less than $100 for a total solution, I think the price can't be >beat. I had no ISA slots free, so I had to buy a Combo Pac and a Desktop >Pac (which I've seen go for $39 on Diamond's auction). The Desktop Pac >includes 1 PCI and 1 ISA cards. I ended up selling both ISA cards for >$48 on Ebay to recoup some costs. HomeFree is pretty much peer-to-peer, >except one machine must be designated the internet server if you want >internet sharing. It shares via a NAT, so you don't need to change the >config on the laptop or mess with proxy settings. >There are ONLY Win95/98 drivers for HomeFree Wireless, so if you run a >different OS, don't bother with HomeFree. No intention to start yet another OS war, but since a cheap Win9x-only wireless solution was mentioned, I thought I'd mention an equally cheap OS/2-only (OK, there's also DOS/Win31 and Netware, but no Win9x support) wireless solution, namely the IBM Wireless LAN Kit (http://www.networking.ibm.com/wireles/wdprods/jb.htm). There's an excellent article by Mark Dodel on how to set it up at http://www.os2voice.org/VNL/past_issues/VNL0600H/vnewsf5.htm The kit includes 2 ISA cards and 1 PCMCIA card, and sells for $79 on eBay (the seller is sitting on about 100 such kits). I negociated a customized deal with the seller and ended up buying 1 ISA card and 3 PCMCIA cards for $95. Although the manual always refers to the desktop with the ISA card as the base unit, I found out a notebook can do the same job equally well. I plan to dedicate my old trusty TP701C as the base for the wireless LAN and probably won't need the ISA card at all. I'm now trying to figure out how to integrate my hardwired LAN and the new wireless LAN, which is the tougher part since I'm no TCP/IP routing guru. My plans are to have 2 network interfaces in each ThinkPad (each assigned its own IP-address on separate subnets): one (3C589) for the hardwired LAN, the other (IBM Wireless) for the wireless LAN. This way I could use the faster hardwired LAN when I'm in rooms with network connections, and the wireless LAN elsewhere (eg. on the terasse or balcony of my house). I think it's a good deal for OS/2-users, and the price is certainly hard to beat. -Dominique From cph Mon Aug 7 01:59:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA29463 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:59:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06135; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:55:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05858; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05824; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:55:22 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-52.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.52]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA03898 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:55:21 +0300 Message-Id: <200008070555.IAA03898@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 08:06:56 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200008062300.TAA09334@mail6.magma.ca> Subject: Re: Travelstar E (external PCMCIA) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zg List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 06 Aug 2000 at 06:59 PM you, "Andrew Webber" , said: >I finally gave in* and clicked on a banner ad for an 8Gb external HD from >IBM. Price is U$299 and includes what appears to be a tethered PCMCIA >card (cable tethered to card that is, I hope it's not tethered to the >enclosure!!). No power cord needed. Part number is 34L4223. >There's also a 10Gb version for U$349. >Any thoughts or experience on these? They're advertised as a JAZ drive >alternative. (Picture of 4 removable disks next to the drive). I have no experience of these, but the price sounds steep. What ThinkPad do you have? I have a couple of ThinkPad 600, and for roughly $300 I could get an UltraSlimBay 2nd hard disk adapter and a Toshiba 18 GB. If you happen to have a PCMCIA SCSI adapter (I have an Adaptec SlimSCSI 1460), I guess you could also get an external box (and fit any SCSI drive in it). However, you'd probably need a power cord. -Dominique From cph Mon Aug 7 03:57:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA29873 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 03:57:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10863; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 03:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 03:54:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10615; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 03:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10602; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 03:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 03:54:49 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-83.gate.net [199.227.20.146]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA44104; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 03:54:38 -0400 Message-ID: <398E6B61.77EFBC46@gate.net> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 03:55:13 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: Jonathan Berry , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TPall] Gluing thinkpads (esp 701) References: <001801bffd20$cfcf18a0$8b8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> <398B952F.D0EFCFEB@gate.net> <001b01bffeb3$4f5c18a0$1262183f@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ahh.. an expert.. :-) well, one added point.. this epoxy repair worked extremely well.. it was to repair a hinge mounting point which had come apart due to the hinge tightening up and tearing the kept nut from its plastic molded in position.. this was a design flaw, which is a different case from a traumatic injury.. David Ross wrote: > "epoxy resin and a little glass cloth is better and more permanent.." > > All-purpose solutions are rarely better than ones custom-designed for > the problem. > > Resin adhesives are problematic on some ABS composition plastics, as > they can have difficulty > keying to the surface. Some epoxies will work somewhat on some laptop > cases, depending on the > epoxy and the particular model's case material. > > Solvent adhesives have been created for precisely this problem. The > advantage of solvent adhesives is that they partly melt the plastic (to > an imperceptible depth) and create a nice keyed surface; one can get a > remarkably strong bond even if there are few contact points. However > they are not as good as epoxy for filling big gaps, and might offer > less structural integrity than one would get with a fiberglass > reinforcement. They are also inferior in a mixed-material setting. > > Depending on the nature of the break, a combination of these techniques > might be best (for example, > solvent adhesive for the plastic-plastic contact points, with an epoxy > gap fill, and glass cloth for reinforcement). However, if something > like epoxy is used for the plastic-plastic contact then > in fact the join will be plastic-epoxy-plastic, and susceptible to flex > failure. > > Unfortunately, if Goop has already been used on the break, then it might > not be safely reglueable > with non-silicone adhesives. No matter how well you clean the old glue > off/out of the break, > it has contaminated the surface and other adhesives might not correctly > adhere. (Epoxy is somewhat better in this regard, as the inferior > epoxy/plastic adhesion makes it easier to remove than Goop.) > On the plus side, Goop is a great mixed-material adhesive, so should do > a better job than most on holding your chopsticks to your case:-) > > BTW, if it sounds like I'm obsessed with adhesives - it's true, an > obsession which provides a great source of amusement for my wife. When > I was younger I thought that it sufficed to keep white glue, > epoxy, and CA glues on my shelf; now these are the adhesives I use > least. > > - David R. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Aug 7 05:44:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA30269 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:44:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17813; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:41:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17677; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17664; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:41:33 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA24918; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:41:25 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001101c00053$ae4f6be0$e38d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Andrew Webber" , References: <200008062300.TAA09334@mail6.magma.ca> Subject: Re: Travelstar E (external PCMCIA) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:41:30 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I have an external pcmcia HD box which I have been using for some time; not the travelstar, but the basic idea is the same. Very nice for things like backup and huge file transfer, but nowhere near as fast as the onboard HD. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Webber" To: Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 12:59 PM Subject: Travelstar E (external PCMCIA) I finally gave in* and clicked on a banner ad for an 8Gb external HD from IBM. Price is U$299 and includes what appears to be a tethered PCMCIA card (cable tethered to card that is, I hope it's not tethered to the enclosure!!). No power cord needed. Part number is 34L4223. There's also a 10Gb version for U$349. Any thoughts or experience on these? They're advertised as a JAZ drive alternative. (Picture of 4 removable disks next to the drive). Thanks! From cph Mon Aug 7 05:56:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA30288 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:56:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18470; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:54:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18377; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18363; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:54:03 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA24948; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:53:53 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002101c00055$6c3c86a0$e38d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: Cc: "Jonathan Berry" , References: <001801bffd20$cfcf18a0$8b8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> <398B952F.D0EFCFEB@gate.net> <001b01bffeb3$4f5c18a0$1262183f@math.hawaii.edu> <398E6B61.77EFBC46@gate.net> Subject: Re: [TPall] Gluing thinkpads (esp 701) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:54:02 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "this epoxy repair worked extremely well.." Great! All solutions which work are good solutions, even if they involve chopsticks:-) "this was a design flaw, which is a different case from a traumatic injury.." All IBM design flaws are traumatic for end users...:-) Seriously, IBM's love affair with plastic, and their refusal to take any responsibility for broken plastic at high-stress points, is IMHO the most negative feature of ThinkPads. - David R. From cph Mon Aug 7 09:59:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA31424 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:59:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29394; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:55:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29259; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaac.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29229; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaac.compuserve.com (149.174.177.148 -> hs-img-3.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:55:44 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id JAA22733 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:55:22 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: W95 to W98 on same HDD Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200008070955_MC2-AED8-9105@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA31425 Hi If you have W95 installed on a HDD and have the W98 cabs copied over too, how can you diasble the W95 boot sector so as to install W98 over the top...? Cheers if anyone has a workround... Mark From cph Mon Aug 7 13:24:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA00456 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:24:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16463; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:21:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16228; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16214; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.40 -> mail1.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:21:07 -0400 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000807172106.DDDZ316.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a> for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:21:06 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:21:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Surround sound Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com Message-ID: <398EB7C1.2268.3BFF725@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200008070045.e770jvl26947@athserv.otenet.gr> References: <000701bfffe4$3f7ac4e0$6cfc163f@oemcomputer> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: At 2000 August 7 - Monday 3:44, Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis spoke about *Re: Surround sound...* saying > On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:23:38 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: > > >Just picked up a set of surround sound speakers for my 560. The set has 4 > >small speakers and 1 subwoofer. They sound great! BUT, I wonder if there > >is a better sound driver than the stock driver that came with the system. > >Anybody else running these kind of speakers on a older thinkpad? > ... > PS 4: > some sound cards also produce PRO LOGIC sound, but you > need a PRO LOGIC decoder to analize the signal, which may > come from Digital input or Analog. Pro Logic attempts to decode stereo signals into quad, either previously encoded, or not. Many modern receivers/amps have a prologic decoder in them. Tom ------------ Tom Trottier ICQ: 57647974 Abacurial Information Technology Consulting 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Mon Aug 7 13:40:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA00584 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:40:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17730; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:38:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17551; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17538; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (216.101.175.230 -> smtp.innovisions.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:38:30 -0400 Received: by mailsf.innoventry.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:35:24 -0700 Message-ID: <818E2295B394D211BF1B0008C709553E01DCBFEE@mailsf.innoventry.com> From: Mitchell Yee To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: TP600E DVD player is acting up Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:35:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Greetings: I've got a TP600E (2645-4AU) running W98. It's got the IBM DVD player and the Margi MPEG card. I've played US DVD discs before without any problems. Then, after a hiatus of about 2 months, I threw in a DVD for a friend. Now, although the DVD plays using the Margi player, something has happened to the video. Specifically, the playback is broken by several horizontal lines - as if there's a synchronizing problem. Any clues? I've already tried reseating the PC cards (NIC, MPEG), changing the video settings from 1024-768 to 800x600. Curiously, the 800x600 display doesn't look quite right and maybe indicative of a bad video chip. Thanks, Mitchell From cph Mon Aug 7 14:32:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA00932 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:32:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21728; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:28:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21482; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21468; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:28:38 -0400 Received: from sony ([12.79.7.68]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000807182836.GKLB6710.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@sony>; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:28:36 +0000 Message-ID: <398F0057.2370@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:30:47 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mitchell Yee CC: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: TP600E DVD player is acting up References: <818E2295B394D211BF1B0008C709553E01DCBFEE@mailsf.innoventry.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Re-install the Win 95 video drivers. You may need to drop down to 256K colors for it to work right Mitchell Yee wrote: > > Greetings: > > I've got a TP600E (2645-4AU) running W98. It's got the > IBM DVD player and the Margi MPEG card. I've played > US DVD discs before without any problems. Then, > after a hiatus of about 2 months, I threw in a DVD > for a friend. Now, although the DVD plays using the > Margi player, something has happened to the video. > Specifically, the playback is broken by several horizontal > lines - as if there's a synchronizing problem. > > Any clues? I've already tried reseating the PC cards (NIC, > MPEG), changing the video settings from 1024-768 to 800x600. > Curiously, the 800x600 display doesn't look quite right > and maybe indicative of a bad video chip. > > Thanks, > Mitchell From cph Mon Aug 7 16:50:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA01772 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:50:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05091; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:48:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04779; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04766; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (195.170.0.2 -> ns1.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:48:13 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n240.otenet.gr [212.205.246.240]) by ns1.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e77Km5a07003 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:48:05 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200008072048.e77Km5a07003@ns1.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:46:50 -0100 (EET) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200008070442.e774g0N14518@cinnamon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: surround sound on thinkpads List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id QAA05091 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA01773 On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:42:00 -0700 (PDT), Andy Beals wrote: >My 770ED has dolby digital out. Didn't get sound out with my DVD's >for a little while because the drivers were set for digi out rather >than analog. really? what kind of specs does the 770ED have? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Aug 7 17:41:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA02150 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:41:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08214; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:39:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08035; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08022; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:39:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25222 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:39:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:39:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: This weekend my T20 (Type 2647-44U) locked up with clicking hard drive sounds. I did a hard reboot and came into Scandisk, which found 7 bad clusters. Scandisk moved the files and marked those clusters as bad. I called IBM for warranty replacement and was told this is perfectly normal. I pressed a bit, explaining that I have lost confidence in the hard drive and wish to have it replaced. I was told absolutely not, to give them a call back "when the hard drive starts failing." I'd like the opinion of the list. Is this acceptable? Would you trust this hard drive? Is it not already 'failing?' Thanks for your oppinions. -- Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Mon Aug 7 17:49:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA02197 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:49:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08921; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:47:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08765; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08751; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.120 -> pilot020.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:47:00 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm457-32.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.138]) by pilot020.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA56656 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:46:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000807173705.03026e40@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:41:35 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: The disk absolutely IS failing. For one thing, its a new disk--T20's haven't been around for a very long time, yet. You encountered an idiot at the 800 number. Call them again and ask to speak with a supervisor. The disk has seven failures on it. Back in the old days of MFM disks, I saw some occasions where a disk could develop problems, but continue working for a long time. With IDE disks, I think I've seen one instance where problems that developed didn't kill the entire disk. At one point it might have been acceptable to use a disk that's developed failures but I don't think that's the case now: disk densities are such that one failure very likely means others will follow. I'm kind of horrified that IBM would told you to wait until the "disk starts failing". The data and uses that people put ThinkPads to doesn't count? Eeeeww. --STeve Andre' At 04:39 PM 8/7/00 -0500, Mitchell Leben wrote: >This weekend my T20 (Type 2647-44U) locked up with clicking hard drive >sounds. I did a hard reboot and came into Scandisk, which found 7 bad >clusters. Scandisk moved the files and marked those clusters as bad. > >I called IBM for warranty replacement and was told this is perfectly >normal. I pressed a bit, explaining that I have lost confidence in the >hard drive and wish to have it replaced. I was told absolutely not, to >give them a call back "when the hard drive starts failing." > >I'd like the opinion of the list. Is this acceptable? Would you trust this >hard drive? Is it not already 'failing?' > >Thanks for your oppinions. > >-- >Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing >mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send >http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Mon Aug 7 18:15:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA02390 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:15:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10530; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:12:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10360; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10346; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:12:56 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id SAA20685; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:12:54 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id SAA13264; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000807151002.01dfedb8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:12:30 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 04:39 PM 8/7/2000 -0500, you wrote: >This weekend my T20 (Type 2647-44U) locked up with clicking hard drive >sounds. I did a hard reboot and came into Scandisk, which found 7 bad >clusters. Scandisk moved the files and marked those clusters as bad. > >I called IBM for warranty replacement and was told this is perfectly >normal. I pressed a bit, explaining that I have lost confidence in the >hard drive and wish to have it replaced. I was told absolutely not, to >give them a call back "when the hard drive starts failing." > >I'd like the opinion of the list. Is this acceptable? Would you trust this >hard drive? Is it not already 'failing?' Anytime a utility like Scandisk (or Norton Disk Doctor) starts marking clusters as "Bad", then the disk *has* "started to fail". It may run relatively fine for a while--perhaps a few weeks or months. But there is no question that this is the beginning of the end. I've seen only a few exceptions, but your chances are better than even that its going to either get much worse or just plain *die* within a year or so. At that point, its too late to worry about whether the disk has "begun" to fail. It is already doing so right now. Request an escalation on that tech support. From cph Mon Aug 7 18:33:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA02518 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:33:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11852; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:30:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11676; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11662; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:30:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26843; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:30:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:30:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000807151002.01dfedb8@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Well, I called back to get another person on the phone. This time he agreed the drive was failing, and a replacement 12 gig is on the way. He said it might be either a Maxtor or Travelstar, which ever is available. Thanks for the quick answers. On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > "begun" to fail. It is already doing so right now. Request an escalation > on that tech support. -Mitch --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Mon Aug 7 18:36:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA02522 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:36:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12262; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:34:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12145; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12132; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (205.152.115.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:34:11 -0400 Received: from jnipper.m-y.net (line171.m-y.net [216.77.88.101]) by my1.m-y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20181; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:32:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200008072132.RAA20181@my1.m-y.net> From: "Computer Guru" To: "Mitchell Leben" , Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:38:02 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, This is totally not acceptable. The 4.8 gig drive in my 1420i laptop went bad 2 months after i bought it. It did the same sound as yours did, and developed bad sectors. What you need to do is call IBM back again. Keep calling or ask for a person higher up on the pole that will listen to your request. Once you find someone willing to let EZ Serv work on it, write a very strong letter with the computer when you send it in. Tell them you will not accept a defective drive. Good Luck! Jim -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ------------------------------------- ---------- > From: Mitchell Leben > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) > Date: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:39 PM > > This weekend my T20 (Type 2647-44U) locked up with clicking hard drive > sounds. I did a hard reboot and came into Scandisk, which found 7 bad > clusters. Scandisk moved the files and marked those clusters as bad. > > I called IBM for warranty replacement and was told this is perfectly > normal. I pressed a bit, explaining that I have lost confidence in the > hard drive and wish to have it replaced. I was told absolutely not, to > give them a call back "when the hard drive starts failing." > > I'd like the opinion of the list. Is this acceptable? Would you trust this > hard drive? Is it not already 'failing?' > > Thanks for your oppinions. > > -- > Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing > mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send > http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Mon Aug 7 20:15:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA03099 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:15:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17924; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:12:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17705; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsguy.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17692; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsguy.com (209.155.56.71 -> smtp.newsguy.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:12:21 -0400 Received: from BillP3800 (cx417385-b.okcnw1.ok.home.com [24.21.136.241]) by newsguy.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA88068; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008080012.RAA88068@newsguy.com> From: "Bill Fayssoux" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Mitchell Leben" Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:11:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Bill Fayssoux" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Standard (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;1) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) List-Unsubscribe: I have experienced almost the same, my 12 GB drive in my 2647-44U started to fail last Friday. Diskeeper could not read a virtual CD to defrag the drive, I deleted the file and ran PC Doctor to find that the drive would not pass a surface test. To make along story short, after a few heated words with tech support they agreed the software they supply with a $4000.00 notebook should be good enough to tell you the drive is failing. They are sending a replacement drive, I wonder if these 9.0mm drives are more prone to failure than the older 9.5mm drives ? bill On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:39:40 -0500 (CDT), Mitchell Leben wrote: >This weekend my T20 (Type 2647-44U) locked up with clicking hard drive >sounds. I did a hard reboot and came into Scandisk, which found 7 bad >clusters. Scandisk moved the files and marked those clusters as bad. > >I called IBM for warranty replacement and was told this is perfectly >normal. I pressed a bit, explaining that I have lost confidence in the >hard drive and wish to have it replaced. I was told absolutely not, to >give them a call back "when the hard drive starts failing." > >I'd like the opinion of the list. Is this acceptable? Would you trust this >hard drive? Is it not already 'failing?' > >Thanks for your oppinions. > >-- >Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing >mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send >http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com > From cph Mon Aug 7 22:08:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA03643 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:08:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24070; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:06:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23900; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23887; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.120 -> pilot020.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:05:59 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm453-10.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.164]) by pilot020.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA46904 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:05:54 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000807215700.03020af0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:59:42 -0400 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) In-Reply-To: <200008080012.RAA88068@newsguy.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I am beginning to get this sinking feeling about this. I have a friend who informs me that her ThinkPad which uses a 12G disk is sick, as well. Hmmmmm. This makes me start to wonder if the all pervasive downward slide of quality in computer components is starting to effect disks, too. --STeve Andre' At 07:11 PM 8/7/00 -0500, Bill Fayssoux wrote: >I have experienced almost the same, my 12 GB drive in my 2647-44U started >to fail last Friday. Diskeeper could not read a >virtual CD to defrag the drive, I deleted the file and ran PC Doctor to >find that the drive would not pass a surface test. To make >along story short, after a few heated words with tech support they agreed >the software they supply with a $4000.00 notebook >should be good enough to tell you the drive is failing. They are sending a >replacement drive, I wonder if these 9.0mm drives are >more prone to failure than the older 9.5mm drives ? > >bill > >On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:39:40 -0500 (CDT), Mitchell Leben wrote: > > >This weekend my T20 (Type 2647-44U) locked up with clicking hard drive > >sounds. I did a hard reboot and came into Scandisk, which found 7 bad > >clusters. Scandisk moved the files and marked those clusters as bad. > > > >I called IBM for warranty replacement and was told this is perfectly > >normal. I pressed a bit, explaining that I have lost confidence in the > >hard drive and wish to have it replaced. I was told absolutely not, to > >give them a call back "when the hard drive starts failing." > > > >I'd like the opinion of the list. Is this acceptable? Would you trust this > >hard drive? Is it not already 'failing?' > > > >Thanks for your oppinions. > > > >-- > >Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing > >mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send > >http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com > > From cph Mon Aug 7 22:59:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA03890 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:59:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26746; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:55:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26415; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26402; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:55:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA32388; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:55:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:55:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: "STeve Andre'" cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000807215700.03020af0@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I found it interesting that IBM had only three 12 gig drives in stock to replace my 12 gig. The tech told me that he would have given me an 18, had they been completely out of stock. Three hard drives in stock? IBM? ??? Oh well, too bad I did not get the free upgrade. -Mitch On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, STeve Andre' wrote: > I am beginning to get this sinking feeling about this. I have a friend who > informs > me that her ThinkPad which uses a 12G disk is sick, as well. Hmmmmm. > > This makes me start to wonder if the all pervasive downward slide of quality > in computer components is starting to effect disks, too. -- Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue Aug 8 00:20:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA04349 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:20:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00434; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:17:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00303; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00290; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (207.181.194.95 -> atlas.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:17:34 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by atlas.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA57963; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BlackBird (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17215; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002b01c000ef$dbf11ed0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Mitchell Leben" , "STeve Andre'" Cc: References: Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:19:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: It's not IBM. It's EasyServe. IBM sold the business to EasyServe years ago. The customers are led to believe that it is still IBM but it isn't. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitchell Leben" To: "STeve Andre'" Cc: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 7:55 PM Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) > I found it interesting that IBM had only three 12 gig drives in stock to > replace my 12 gig. The tech told me that he would have given me an 18, had > they been completely out of stock. > > Three hard drives in stock? IBM? > > ??? > > Oh well, too bad I did not get the free upgrade. > > -Mitch > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, STeve Andre' wrote: > > > I am beginning to get this sinking feeling about this. I have a friend who > > informs > > me that her ThinkPad which uses a 12G disk is sick, as well. Hmmmmm. > > > > This makes me start to wonder if the all pervasive downward slide of quality > > in computer components is starting to effect disks, too. > > -- > Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing > mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send > http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com > > From cph Tue Aug 8 00:32:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA04389 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:32:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01200; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:30:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01046; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01024; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.116 -> pilot016.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:30:04 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm451-07.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.65]) by pilot016.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA34494 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:30:00 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000808002648.00e4bcc0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:30:05 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) In-Reply-To: <002b01c000ef$dbf11ed0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Well, yes, EZServe isn't a part of IBM any more, but it still IS a part of IBM >from the customer standpoint. So while the business arrangements explain some of their decisions, the bad ones HURT IBM. I sure wish IBM understood this better. I'm having a little go 'round with IBM right now. Once it's resolved I'll explain it here. I'm not terribly happy about IBM's dealings at the moment. --STeve Andre' At 09:19 PM 8/7/00 -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: >It's not IBM. It's EasyServe. > >IBM sold the business to EasyServe years ago. > >The customers are led to believe that it is still IBM but it isn't. > >David > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mitchell Leben" >To: "STeve Andre'" >Cc: >Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 7:55 PM >Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) > > > > I found it interesting that IBM had only three 12 gig drives in stock to > > replace my 12 gig. The tech told me that he would have given me an 18, had > > they been completely out of stock. > > > > Three hard drives in stock? IBM? > > > > ??? > > > > Oh well, too bad I did not get the free upgrade. > > > > -Mitch > > > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, STeve Andre' wrote: > > > > > I am beginning to get this sinking feeling about this. I have a friend >who > > > informs > > > me that her ThinkPad which uses a 12G disk is sick, as well. Hmmmmm. > > > > > > This makes me start to wonder if the all pervasive downward slide of >quality > > > in computer components is starting to effect disks, too. > > > > -- > > Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing > > mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send > > http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com > > > > From cph Tue Aug 8 00:46:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA04482 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:46:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01998; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:43:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01780; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-1.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01767; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-1.ziplink.net (206.15.170.62 -> relay-1.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:43:16 -0400 Received: from dallas (quincy-ip-14-23.dynamic.ziplink.net [209.206.1.23]) by relay-1.ziplink.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e784hEw01778 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:43:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:43:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c000f3$3da9b940$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <002b01c000ef$dbf11ed0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 List-Unsubscribe: Well, IMHO, it is IBM, because IBM sold the service out to someone else, does not relieve them of a responsibility to support a product that they warrant. The same goes for machines which are labeled as IBM but not necessarily manufactured by them. IBM puts their names on the thinkpads, so, one way or another, they are responsible for the service you do or do not recieve. The only way for them to be free of such responsibility is to offer the units with no warranties at all. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: David W. Taylor [mailto:davidt@detayls.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 12:20 AM > To: Mitchell Leben; STeve Andre' > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) > > > It's not IBM. It's EasyServe. > > IBM sold the business to EasyServe years ago. > > The customers are led to believe that it is still IBM but it isn't. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mitchell Leben" > To: "STeve Andre'" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 7:55 PM > Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) > > > > I found it interesting that IBM had only three 12 gig drives in stock to > > replace my 12 gig. The tech told me that he would have given me > an 18, had > > they been completely out of stock. > > > > Three hard drives in stock? IBM? > > > > ??? > > > > Oh well, too bad I did not get the free upgrade. > > > > -Mitch > > > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, STeve Andre' wrote: > > > > > I am beginning to get this sinking feeling about this. I > have a friend > who > > > informs > > > me that her ThinkPad which uses a 12G disk is sick, as well. Hmmmmm. > > > > > > This makes me start to wonder if the all pervasive downward slide of > quality > > > in computer components is starting to effect disks, too. > > > > -- > > Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing > > mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send > > http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com > > > > > > From cph Tue Aug 8 01:42:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA04716 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 01:42:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04567; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 01:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 01:39:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04375; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 01:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04362; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 01:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 01:39:29 -0400 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-6.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.6]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA00493 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 01:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000808014343.01617460@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:43:43 -0700 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000807215700.03020af0@pilot.msu.edu> References: <200008080012.RAA88068@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:59 PM 08/07/2000 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >I am beginning to get this sinking feeling about this. I have a friend who >informs >me that her ThinkPad which uses a 12G disk is sick, as well. Hmmmmm. > >This makes me start to wonder if the all pervasive downward slide of quality >in computer components is starting to effect disks, too. <> :) I am a firm believer in waiting 3-6 months before buying radically new hardware....especially laptops. Of course in 3-4 months I will be getting a new A20p when I feel the initial wave of bugs is worked out. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue Aug 8 03:34:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA05039 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:34:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08547; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:30:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08359; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08341; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:30:39 -0400 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10734; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:30:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from harstonmail.generics.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19799; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:30:36 +0100 (BST) Received: by HARSTONMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:31:24 +0100 Message-ID: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D29E864C4@HARSTONMAIL> From: "Quantrill, Adam" To: "'Mitchell Leben'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:31:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: The hadr drive was probably recalibrating. This process can take a while, 30 minutes is not uncommon (depending upon the drive model). Do another scandisk in a couple of weeks time, any further bad sectors and it would be the time to call them again. What is objectionable is that the manual doesn't say this could happen >from time to time. (Or at least I presume it doesn't...) - Adam -----Original Message----- From: Mitchell Leben [mailto:mitch@leben.com] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 10:40 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) This weekend my T20 (Type 2647-44U) locked up with clicking hard drive sounds. I did a hard reboot and came into Scandisk, which found 7 bad clusters. Scandisk moved the files and marked those clusters as bad. I called IBM for warranty replacement and was told this is perfectly normal. I pressed a bit, explaining that I have lost confidence in the hard drive and wish to have it replaced. I was told absolutely not, to give them a call back "when the hard drive starts failing." I'd like the opinion of the list. Is this acceptable? Would you trust this hard drive? Is it not already 'failing?' Thanks for your oppinions. -- Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue Aug 8 07:14:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA05803 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:14:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19596; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:12:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19428; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19415; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (204.60.6.55 -> smtp.snet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:12:21 -0400 Received: from snet.net (nrwc-sh7-port29.snet.net [204.60.51.29]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with ESMTP id HAA25760 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <398FEAFE.9EFBD90C@snet.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 07:11:58 -0400 From: Marc Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: "Bluestar usa"--how to make a purchase? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Good morning all, I recently "discovered" the Blue Star USA site. So....say I am an individual, not a "reseller", with NO Tax ID #--is there a way to actually buy from there guys? Any guidence appreciated! Thanks, Marc S. From cph Tue Aug 8 08:10:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA05938 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:10:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24233; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:08:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23404; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23381; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.105 -> pilot005.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:08:18 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm456-24.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.82]) by pilot005.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA36530 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:08:14 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000808080146.00e78df0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 08:08:15 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) In-Reply-To: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D29E864C4@HARSTONMAIL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Ah... 30 *seconds* is an unacceptable amount of time for a disk to take for a recalibration. 30 minutes of that would be several thousand of them. But even 30 seconds isn't good: if a disk can't figure out where the heads are with one of two recalibrates no more than once every five minutes or so, *the disk is bad*. This is another--and newer--form of failure I've been seeing on physically small disks. Once a disk starts a lot of calibrations, in my experience it eventually goes into a mode of many many of them, to the exclusion of most all real work. Having said that, there are some disks that do them more than others. On my 1480i, my 6G disk re calibrates perhaps five times an hour, with it occasionally taking three attempts, but usually one. I was pretty freaked out about this at first, but the disk is 8 months old with a lot of use, so it seems to be normal for this disk. But this is getting close to the limit, I think (if others who have 6G disks would confirm this I'd appreciate it). --STeve Andre' At 08:31 AM 8/8/00 +0100, Quantrill, Adam wrote: >The hadr drive was probably recalibrating. This process can take >a while, 30 minutes is not uncommon (depending upon the drive model). >Do another scandisk in a couple of weeks time, any further bad sectors >and it would be the time to call them again. > >What is objectionable is that the manual doesn't say this could happen >from time to time. (Or at least I presume it doesn't...) > > - Adam > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mitchell Leben [mailto:mitch@leben.com] >Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 10:40 PM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) > > >This weekend my T20 (Type 2647-44U) locked up with clicking hard drive >sounds. I did a hard reboot and came into Scandisk, which found 7 bad >clusters. Scandisk moved the files and marked those clusters as bad. > >I called IBM for warranty replacement and was told this is perfectly >normal. I pressed a bit, explaining that I have lost confidence in the >hard drive and wish to have it replaced. I was told absolutely not, to >give them a call back "when the hard drive starts failing." > >I'd like the opinion of the list. Is this acceptable? Would you trust this >hard drive? Is it not already 'failing?' > >Thanks for your oppinions. > >-- >Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing >mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send >http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue Aug 8 08:25:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA05999 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:25:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26736; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:22:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26416; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26400; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (203.96.92.1 -> mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:22:16 -0400 Received: from amlaptop ([210.55.149.197]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with SMTP id <20000808122216.ZHOX6390991.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@amlaptop> for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:22:16 +1200 Message-ID: <003601c00133$56364150$01f2a8c0@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: References: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D29E864C4@HARSTONMAIL> Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:22:35 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Does the OS give you any SMART warning about hard drive failure. I've always wondered if this feature actually ever really works. How about if you try the EZ-SMART program or similar. You would think this is exaclty when the SMART feature should be sending out warnings. Andreas!! :-) > > This weekend my T20 (Type 2647-44U) locked up with clicking hard drive > sounds. I did a hard reboot and came into Scandisk, which found 7 bad > clusters. Scandisk moved the files and marked those clusters as bad. > > I called IBM for warranty replacement and was told this is perfectly > normal. I pressed a bit, explaining that I have lost confidence in the > hard drive and wish to have it replaced. I was told absolutely not, to > give them a call back "when the hard drive starts failing." > > I'd like the opinion of the list. Is this acceptable? Would you trust this > hard drive? Is it not already 'failing?' > > Thanks for your oppinions. > > -- > Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing > mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send > http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue Aug 8 09:36:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA06332 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:36:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02461; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:33:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02173; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02154; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:33:47 -0400 Received: from tp1480 (adsl-207-68-50-125.bellatlantic.net [207.68.50.125]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA08764; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001201c0013d$45e93c80$6401a8c0@tp1480> From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: , "STeve Andre'" References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000808080146.00e78df0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:33:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I'm picking up this thread a bit late, but I'd be happy to do some checking on my i1480 if I could get a brief tip on how to check on the calibration frequency. Is there a utility to track this? One of the IBM HD utilities I've vaguely heard of but have not investigated? So many things, interesting things, and no time. jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "STeve Andre'" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 8:08 AM Subject: RE: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) > Having said that, there are some disks that do them more than others. On > my 1480i, my 6G disk re calibrates perhaps five times an hour, with it > occasionally taking three attempts, but usually one. I was pretty freaked > out about this at first, but the disk is 8 months old with a lot of use, so it > seems to be normal for this disk. But this is getting close to the limit, I > think (if others who have 6G disks would confirm this I'd appreciate it). > > --STeve Andre' From cph Tue Aug 8 09:57:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA06578 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:57:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04102; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:55:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03916; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03895; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:55:09 -0400 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15184; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:54:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from harstonmail.generics.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25953; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:54:27 +0100 (BST) Received: by HARSTONMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:55:14 +0100 Message-ID: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D29E864CC@HARSTONMAIL> From: "Quantrill, Adam" To: "'Jim Biggerstaff'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:55:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: As far as I know, it's the drive that decides. Typical reasons are environmental factors such as changes in temperature (of the drive platters). -----Original Message----- From: Jim Biggerstaff [mailto:duh2000@bellatlantic.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 2:34 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; STeve Andre' Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) I'm picking up this thread a bit late, but I'd be happy to do some checking on my i1480 if I could get a brief tip on how to check on the calibration frequency. Is there a utility to track this? One of the IBM HD utilities I've vaguely heard of but have not investigated? So many things, interesting things, and no time. jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "STeve Andre'" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 8:08 AM Subject: RE: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) > Having said that, there are some disks that do them more than others. On > my 1480i, my 6G disk re calibrates perhaps five times an hour, with it > occasionally taking three attempts, but usually one. I was pretty freaked > out about this at first, but the disk is 8 months old with a lot of use, so it > seems to be normal for this disk. But this is getting close to the limit, I > think (if others who have 6G disks would confirm this I'd appreciate it). > > --STeve Andre' From cph Tue Aug 8 10:21:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA06790 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:21:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05860; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:18:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05712; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05692; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.13 -> mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:18:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 9154 invoked by alias); 8 Aug 2000 14:18:47 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 9101 invoked by uid 0); 8 Aug 2000 14:18:46 -0000 Received: from dialupjj207.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.35.207) by mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2000 14:18:46 -0000 Message-ID: <009501c00143$991264d0$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "Andrew Webber" , References: <200008060331.XAA13013@mail4.magma.ca> Subject: Re: TP600: dead battery Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:18:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > Is there anything I can try, or should I just dispose of it in an > environmentally-sensitive manner and be grateful I bought that > second one? I hope you get your battery working again. It should have a one year warranty, by the way. For all reading this, though, you should be aware that batteries contain very nasty things and should be disposed of properly. One very easy way to do this is to take them to Radio Shack. They dispose of or recycle laptop batteries for free. Chris From cph Tue Aug 8 11:38:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA07408 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:38:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12678; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:35:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12497; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12480; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:35:22 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-31.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.136]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA12610; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:34:42 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Mitchell Leben" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "TP List" Subject: RE: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:45:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Mitch, MAXTOR!!!! Run, do NOT walk, for the nearest exit! In my experience Maxtor drives are at the bottom of the pile I would select a replacement drive from, perhaps one rung up from Quantum. Does EZServe really equate a Maxtor drive with a Travelstar? Toshiba yes, but there's no way a Maxtor drive is comparable. Just my $.02. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Mitchell Leben [mailto:mitch@leben.com] > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:31 PM > To: Randal Whittle > Cc: TP List > Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) > > > Well, I called back to get another person on the phone. This time he > agreed the drive was failing, and a replacement 12 gig is on the way. He > said it might be either a Maxtor or Travelstar, which ever is available. > > Thanks for the quick answers. > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > > "begun" to fail. It is already doing so right now. Request an escalation > > on that tech support. > > -Mitch > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing > mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send > http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue Aug 8 11:41:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA07424 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:41:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13119; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:38:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12883; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12870; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.102 -> pilot002.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:38:17 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.26]) by pilot002.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA70092 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:38:14 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000808113715.00e4cd40@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:38:22 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) In-Reply-To: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D29E864CC@HARSTONMAIL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Thats how I understand it, as well. The control logic thinks it needs to verify where the heads are for a number of reasons. --STeve Andre' At 02:55 PM 8/8/00 +0100, Quantrill, Adam wrote: >As far as I know, it's the drive that decides. Typical reasons are >environmental factors such as changes in temperature (of the drive >platters). > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Biggerstaff [mailto:duh2000@bellatlantic.net] >Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 2:34 PM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; STeve Andre' >Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) > > >I'm picking up this thread a bit late, but I'd be happy to do some checking >on my i1480 if I could get a brief tip on how to check on the calibration >frequency. Is there a utility to track this? One of the IBM HD utilities >I've vaguely heard of but have not investigated? > >So many things, interesting things, and no time. > >jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "STeve Andre'" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 8:08 AM >Subject: RE: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) > > > > Having said that, there are some disks that do them more than others. On > > my 1480i, my 6G disk re calibrates perhaps five times an hour, with it > > occasionally taking three attempts, but usually one. I was pretty freaked > > out about this at first, but the disk is 8 months old with a lot of use, >so it > > seems to be normal for this disk. But this is getting close to the limit, >I > > think (if others who have 6G disks would confirm this I'd appreciate it). > > > > --STeve Andre' From cph Tue Aug 8 12:05:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07556 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:05:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14829; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:55:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14642; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14629; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:55:31 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-287.gate.net [199.227.131.96]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA134760; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:55:26 -0400 Message-ID: <39902D92.8011D454@gate.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:56:02 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mitchell Leben CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mitchell... BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! THE DRIVE IS KAPUT..! ON THE WAY OUT..!! DECEASED, but not fully aware of that fact, yet..!!! be nice, be firm, escalate this matter, BUT GET THAT DRIVE REPLACED..!! BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! the answer of IBM in this case is wrong..! you obviously spoke to someone who is not fully trained..!! AND BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! Mitchell Leben wrote: > This weekend my T20 (Type 2647-44U) locked up with clicking hard drive > sounds. I did a hard reboot and came into Scandisk, which found 7 bad > clusters. Scandisk moved the files and marked those clusters as bad. > > I called IBM for warranty replacement and was told this is perfectly > normal. I pressed a bit, explaining that I have lost confidence in the > hard drive and wish to have it replaced. I was told absolutely not, to > give them a call back "when the hard drive starts failing." > > I'd like the opinion of the list. Is this acceptable? Would you trust this > hard drive? Is it not already 'failing?' > > Thanks for your oppinions. > > -- > Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing > mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send > http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Aug 8 12:08:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07569 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:08:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15406; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:58:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15248; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15235; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:58:42 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-287.gate.net [199.227.131.96]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA138094 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:58:40 -0400 Message-ID: <39902E54.8D37F324@gate.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:59:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: I have Four A20p Available.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Gentlemen.. I have four A20p 2629-6VU immediately available.. this is the P-III 750Mhz, 15inch TFT 1400x1040, 128meg, 20gig, Modem/NIC Combo mini-PCI, Win2000 machine.. there art four only.. old customers and open forum members have first call, List members next, general public is third.. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Aug 8 12:10:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07587 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:10:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15823; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:00:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15470; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15452; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:00:17 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-287.gate.net [199.227.131.96]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA93146; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:00:08 -0400 Message-ID: <39902EAD.D9C1BF11@gate.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:00:45 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James H. E. Maugham" CC: Mitchell Leben , Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: ONCE AGAIN... BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > Mitch, > > MAXTOR!!!! Run, do NOT walk, for the nearest exit! > > In my experience Maxtor drives are at the bottom of the pile I would select a > replacement drive from, perhaps one rung up from Quantum. > > Does EZServe really equate a Maxtor drive with a Travelstar? Toshiba yes, but > there's no way a Maxtor drive is comparable. > > Just my $.02. > > Regards, > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mitchell Leben [mailto:mitch@leben.com] > > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:31 PM > > To: Randal Whittle > > Cc: TP List > > Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) > > > > > > Well, I called back to get another person on the phone. This time he > > agreed the drive was failing, and a replacement 12 gig is on the way. He > > said it might be either a Maxtor or Travelstar, which ever is available. > > > > Thanks for the quick answers. > > > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > "begun" to fail. It is already doing so right now. Request an escalation > > > on that tech support. > > > > -Mitch > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing > > mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send > > http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Aug 8 12:12:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07596 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:12:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16334; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:02:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16035; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16020; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:02:52 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-287.gate.net [199.227.131.96]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA138564; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:02:43 -0400 Message-ID: <39902F47.AF672A7D@gate.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:03:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James H. E. Maugham" CC: Mitchell Leben , Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) and BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: oops.. hit return before i copied the BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! thing another 50 times.. :-) that drive is gone, it must be replaced.. escalate, tell them is HAS failed, do whatever it takes, but REPLACE the failing drive.. and... :-) BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > Mitch, > > MAXTOR!!!! Run, do NOT walk, for the nearest exit! > > In my experience Maxtor drives are at the bottom of the pile I would select a > replacement drive from, perhaps one rung up from Quantum. > > Does EZServe really equate a Maxtor drive with a Travelstar? Toshiba yes, but > there's no way a Maxtor drive is comparable. > > Just my $.02. > > Regards, > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mitchell Leben [mailto:mitch@leben.com] > > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:31 PM > > To: Randal Whittle > > Cc: TP List > > Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) > > > > > > Well, I called back to get another person on the phone. This time he > > agreed the drive was failing, and a replacement 12 gig is on the way. He > > said it might be either a Maxtor or Travelstar, which ever is available. > > > > Thanks for the quick answers. > > > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > "begun" to fail. It is already doing so right now. Request an escalation > > > on that tech support. > > > > -Mitch > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing > > mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send > > http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Aug 8 12:22:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07661 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:22:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18572; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:20:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18409; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18395; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (216.227.56.41 -> mail-1.sjc.telocity.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:20:45 -0400 Received: from attglobal.net (dsl-216-227-31-61.chi.interchangedsl.com [216.227.31.61]) by mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05640; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39903174.EFFC0A6B@attglobal.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:12:36 -0500 From: Jeff Fayne Reply-To: fayne@attglobal.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: penzance@gate.net CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: I have Four A20p Available.. References: <39902E54.8D37F324@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: How much are you asking? I just put in a request for a 2629-SU to our MIS dept. If it's within their range I may convince them to pop for the extra $ Jeff Bill Morrow wrote: > Gentlemen.. > I have four A20p 2629-6VU immediately available.. > this is the P-III 750Mhz, 15inch TFT 1400x1040, 128meg, 20gig, Modem/NIC > Combo mini-PCI, Win2000 machine.. > > there art four only.. > > old customers and open forum members have first call, > List members next, > general public is third.. > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Aug 8 12:31:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07728 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:31:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19877; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:28:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19523; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19510; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (206.127.32.130 -> amanda.dorsai.org) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:28:46 -0400 Received: (from higgins@localhost) by amanda.dorsai.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA17522; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:28:44 -0400 (EDT) From: John Higgins Message-Id: <200008081628.MAA17522@amanda.dorsai.org> Subject: Re: Travelstar E (external PCMCIA) To: awebber@wwwebbers.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad list) In-Reply-To: <200008062300.TAA09334@mail6.magma.ca> from "Andrew Webber" at Aug 06, 2000 06:59:53 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > > I finally gave in* and clicked on a banner ad for an 8Gb external > HD >from IBM. Price is U$299 and includes what appears to be a > tethered PCMCIA card (cable tethered to card that is, I hope it's > not tethered to the enclosure!!). No power cord needed. Part > number is 34L4223. > > There's also a 10Gb version for U$349. > > Any thoughts or experience on these? They're advertised as a JAZ > drive alternative. (Picture of 4 removable disks next to the > drive). > > Thanks! > > > > Wow. Best price I see on shopper.com is $369 for the 8gb. What's the link???? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John M. Higgins higgins@dorsai.org v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From cph Tue Aug 8 13:01:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07949 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:01:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22793; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:58:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22580; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.pa.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22563; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.pa.home.com (24.12.106.194 -> ha1.rdc2.pa.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:58:29 -0400 Received: from unity.ncsu.edu ([24.10.242.86]) by mail.rdc2.pa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000808165827.ZIMS12158.mail.rdc2.pa.home.com@unity.ncsu.edu> for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:58:27 -0700 Sender: amgoldst@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <39903C34.A0EC53B5@unity.ncsu.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:58:28 -0400 From: andy goldstein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Drive A showing up in My Computer even when not connected? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I have a 760XL with a cdrom internal and a floppy in the external case enclosure. Even when I don't have the floppy hooked up, it shows up in My Computer. Is this normal? Thanks, Andy From cph Tue Aug 8 14:33:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08671 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:33:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27228; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:30:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26847; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26834; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:30:42 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-182.gate.net [199.227.20.245]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA158660; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:09:31 -0400 Message-ID: <39904CFF.C9976513@gate.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:10:07 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy goldstein CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Drive A showing up in My Computer even when not connected? References: <39903C34.A0EC53B5@unity.ncsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: this is not unusual.. :-) just don't try to access it because the OS will hang until it times out.. andy goldstein wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a 760XL with a cdrom internal and a floppy in the external case > enclosure. Even when I don't have the floppy hooked up, it shows up in > My Computer. Is this normal? > > Thanks, > > Andy -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Aug 8 14:54:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08858 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:54:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00352; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:52:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00153; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00130; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:52:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from potsdam.edu (137.143.110.101 -> potsdam.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:52:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 18506 invoked by alias); 8 Aug 2000 18:49:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20000808184958.18505.qmail@potsdam.edu> Received: (qmail 18501 invoked by uid 0); 8 Aug 2000 18:49:57 -0000 Received: from mailman.potsdam.edu (HELO 198.133.22.68) (137.143.104.65) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 8 Aug 2000 18:49:57 -0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 570 and 560Z DVD Drive Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:56:35 -0400 X-Mailer: SUNY Potsdam MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.2 List-Unsubscribe: I have a DVD Drive for a Thinkpad UltraSlim Bay that I would like to use with my 570 and possibly my 560z and am wondering what I would need to buy to make it work. I know that the ultrabase for the 570 has an ultraslim bay but am wondering what is avaliable for the 560z or if there is an option that would work with both models. From cph Tue Aug 8 15:19:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA09018 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:19:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03412; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:16:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03186; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03173; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:16:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA49943; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:16:08 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:16:07 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: "James H. E. Maugham" , Mitchell Leben , Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) and BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! In-Reply-To: <39902F47.AF672A7D@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: I agree with Bill... Back up your system... My drive died on Easter without any warning and data recovery as of this second is unsuccessful even after buying the 770Z 14gig drive from Bill for parts. No cigar because DriveSavers and Ontrack put some kinda cleaning solution that created a film the latest data recovery can't even get off.. Maybe I should ask, does anyone know any data recovery companies that are good in the cleaning and sanitation process? Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > oops.. > hit return before i copied the BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! thing another 50 > times.. :-) > > that drive is gone, it must be replaced.. > > escalate, tell them is HAS failed, do whatever it takes, but REPLACE the failing > drive.. > > and... :-) > BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! > BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! > BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! > BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! > > "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > > > Mitch, > > > > MAXTOR!!!! Run, do NOT walk, for the nearest exit! > > > > In my experience Maxtor drives are at the bottom of the pile I would select a > > replacement drive from, perhaps one rung up from Quantum. > > > > Does EZServe really equate a Maxtor drive with a Travelstar? Toshiba yes, but > > there's no way a Maxtor drive is comparable. > > > > Just my $.02. > > > > Regards, > > > > James > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mitchell Leben [mailto:mitch@leben.com] > > > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:31 PM > > > To: Randal Whittle > > > Cc: TP List > > > Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) > > > > > > > > > Well, I called back to get another person on the phone. This time he > > > agreed the drive was failing, and a replacement 12 gig is on the way. He > > > said it might be either a Maxtor or Travelstar, which ever is available. > > > > > > Thanks for the quick answers. > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > > "begun" to fail. It is already doing so right now. Request an escalation > > > > on that tech support. > > > > > > -Mitch > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing > > > mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send > > > http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > From cph Tue Aug 8 15:29:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA09092 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:29:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04766; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:27:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04558; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04533; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.13 -> mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:27:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 53266 invoked by alias); 8 Aug 2000 17:40:19 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-tp750@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 53156 invoked by uid 0); 8 Aug 2000 17:40:17 -0000 Received: from dialupjj207.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.35.207) by mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2000 17:40:17 -0000 Message-ID: <01b701c0015f$bfb33e90$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "Mitchell Leben" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "TP List" References: Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:40:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Maxtor does not make laptop drives any more. They got out of that business a long time ago. The brands I know of that still make new models are IBM, Toshiba, and Hitachi. Any others? And who do other laptop makers use? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Mitchell Leben To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:30 PM Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) > Well, I called back to get another person on the phone. This time he > agreed the drive was failing, and a replacement 12 gig is on the way. He > said it might be either a Maxtor or Travelstar, which ever is available. > > Thanks for the quick answers. > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > > "begun" to fail. It is already doing so right now. Request an escalation > > on that tech support. > > -Mitch > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing > mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send > http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com > > From cph Tue Aug 8 15:39:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA09200 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:39:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05972; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:36:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05616; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05602; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.102 -> pilot002.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:36:44 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.26]) by pilot002.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA38534 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:36:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000808153517.0297e580@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:36:48 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) In-Reply-To: <01b701c0015f$bfb33e90$1000a8c0@cschumann> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Don't forget Fujitsu. A friend of mine swears by them (not at them). I think that pretty much covers the market. --STeve Andre' At 12:40 PM 8/8/00 -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: >Maxtor does not make laptop drives any more. They got out >of that business a long time ago. > >The brands I know of that still make new models are IBM, >Toshiba, and Hitachi. > >Any others? And who do other laptop makers use? > >Chris > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mitchell Leben >To: Randal Whittle >Cc: TP List >Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:30 PM >Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) > > > > Well, I called back to get another person on the phone. This time he > > agreed the drive was failing, and a replacement 12 gig is on the way. He > > said it might be either a Maxtor or Travelstar, which ever is available. > > > > Thanks for the quick answers. > > > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > "begun" to fail. It is already doing so right now. Request an >escalation > > > on that tech support. > > > > -Mitch > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- > > Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing > > mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send > > http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com > > > > From cph Tue Aug 8 16:47:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09692 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:47:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14192; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:44:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13927; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13912; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:44:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15014; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:44:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:44:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: "David W. Taylor" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) In-Reply-To: <002b01c000ef$dbf11ed0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Thanks. I always hear EasyServe in reference to IBM, never knew the exact relationship. On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, David W. Taylor wrote: > It's not IBM. It's EasyServe. > IBM sold the business to EasyServe years ago. > The customers are led to believe that it is still IBM but it isn't. -Mitch --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue Aug 8 16:49:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09719 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:49:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14730; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:47:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14434; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14387; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:47:23 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3ZRKBALD>; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:42:05 -0400 Message-ID: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1EBE@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: "'hatton64@potsdam.edu '" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu '" Subject: RE: 570 and 560Z DVD Drive Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:41:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Portable drive bay by IBM (about $200) and a Margi card should do the trick Neil -----Original Message----- From: hatton64@potsdam.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sent: 8/8/00 1:56 PM Subject: 570 and 560Z DVD Drive I have a DVD Drive for a Thinkpad UltraSlim Bay that I would like to use with my 570 and possibly my 560z and am wondering what I would need to buy to make it work. I know that the ultrabase for the 570 has an ultraslim bay but am wondering what is avaliable for the 560z or if there is an option that would work with both models. From cph Tue Aug 8 16:49:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09723 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:49:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14819; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:47:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14499; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14477; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:47:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15159; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:47:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:47:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Andreas Michaelides cc: thinkPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) In-Reply-To: <003601c00133$56364150$01f2a8c0@amlaptop> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Nope, no mention at all in Win98SE about the problem. On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Andreas Michaelides wrote: > Does the OS give you any SMART warning about hard drive failure. I've always -Mitch --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue Aug 8 16:52:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09751 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:52:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15461; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:50:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15264; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15246; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:50:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15182; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:49:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:49:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: "James H. E. Maugham" cc: TP List Subject: RE: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Thanks James. I'll inform the list when my package comes in the mail. The tech said it was pot luck on which unit ships. On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, James H. E. Maugham wrote: > In my experience Maxtor drives are at the bottom of the pile I would select a > replacement drive from, perhaps one rung up from Quantum. From cph Tue Aug 8 16:55:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09795 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:55:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16105; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:53:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15767; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15752; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:53:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA51990; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:53:11 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:53:11 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Mitchell Leben cc: "James H. E. Maugham" , TP List Subject: RE: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Mitchell Leben wrote: Actually, Maxtor drives have gone up in quality the past year. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > Thanks James. I'll inform the list when my package comes in the mail. The > tech said it was pot luck on which unit ships. > > On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, James H. E. Maugham wrote: > > > In my experience Maxtor drives are at the bottom of the pile I would select a > > replacement drive from, perhaps one rung up from Quantum. > > From cph Tue Aug 8 16:57:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09804 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:57:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16459; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:54:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16024; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16011; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:54:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15283; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:54:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:54:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) In-Reply-To: <39902D92.8011D454@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Bill, Excellent advice. I did a quick data dump after the first successful reboot. Once I had the most important work, then I backed up the rest of the system. Do you think CDR, MO, and network server backups will suffice? :) CDR off site of course (2 copies). How do you spell 'pawanoya?' I am still using the system, but saving everything off somewhere else. On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! -Mitch --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue Aug 8 17:01:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA09841 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:01:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17123; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:59:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16885; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16869; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:59:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15428; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:59:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:59:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Bill Morrow cc: "James H. E. Maugham" , Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) and BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! In-Reply-To: <39902F47.AF672A7D@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I have to admit, I did ham it up a bit on my second call. In fact, I had the slight suspicion the tech was promting me for the correct answers. "So, every time you reboot you get more bad clusters, right?" "The hard drive makes a clicking sound, right?" Perhaps he had a record of my previous call on his screen. On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > escalate, tell them is HAS failed, do whatever it takes, but REPLACE > the failing drive.. From cph Tue Aug 8 19:33:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA10671 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:33:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27654; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:30:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27410; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27397; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:30:50 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-161.gate.net [199.227.20.224]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA137262; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:30:41 -0400 Message-ID: <39909585.F3F4D6F2@gate.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:19:33 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mitchell Leben CC: "James H. E. Maugham" , Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) and BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: its not that these are so costly to replace.. IBM pays what anyone else pays for a HDD.. even from IBM Storage systems.. did someone say that that is a maxtor drive..?? while i don't dislike maxtor like Jim does, i HAVE had the experience of going through 3 or 4 desktop maxtor drives before i got one i would keep.. (noise on most and just plain dead on one) when i DID get one it has been reliable and still runs daily.. FWIW: i was once told that the cost to produce an IBM travelstar was $50.. add for engineering and all the other stuff, but once its in production, thats about it.. Mitchell Leben wrote: > I have to admit, I did ham it up a bit on my second call. In fact, I had > the slight suspicion the tech was promting me for the correct answers. > > "So, every time you reboot you get more bad clusters, right?" > > "The hard drive makes a clicking sound, right?" > > Perhaps he had a record of my previous call on his screen. > > On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > escalate, tell them is HAS failed, do whatever it takes, but REPLACE > > the failing drive.. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Aug 8 19:37:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA10696 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:37:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28186; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:35:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27991; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27971; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:35:19 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.203.111 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:34:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c00191$b148d540$6fcb1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Video Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 18:37:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: What is the cheapest way for me to get and transfer short 30sec - 4 min clips to my thinkpad. My buddy and I are making a BBQ cooking CD. It will have recipes, music, and video clips of some of the cooking. I had thought about buying a digital camera, that would take clips, I did buy a quickcam but it keeps locking up. Any ideas? I MUST keep the cost down. Thanks Booger From cph Tue Aug 8 20:17:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA10898 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:17:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01156; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:14:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00981; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00968; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:14:43 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-161.gate.net [199.227.20.224]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA150818; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:14:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3990A293.99257B17@gate.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:15:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mitchell Leben CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mitch.. any backup is better than no backup.. the best backup is two additional HDD's with drive copy or ghost.. father/son backup.. then before you load anything new, do a backup.. the next best is 2 HDD's and use one to boot, then backup the other full system to a network drive.. a disk array is a good thing to have and with HDD's so cheap, i think this is something most who do real work should have.. maybe only two or three disks.. but an array nonetheless.. hot swap and all that.. the 770Z is the only notebook i have seen that will hot swap a drive (under w2k) in the ultrabay.. i was very impressed with that particular feature.. :-) Mitchell Leben wrote: > Bill, > > Excellent advice. I did a quick data dump after the first successful > reboot. Once I had the most important work, then I backed up the rest of > the system. > > Do you think CDR, MO, and network server backups will suffice? :) CDR off > site of course (2 copies). How do you spell 'pawanoya?' > > I am still using the system, but saving everything off somewhere else. > > On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! > > -Mitch > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing > mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send > http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Aug 8 20:23:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA10931 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:23:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01638; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:20:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01517; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01504; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:20:47 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-161.gate.net [199.227.20.224]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA43322; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:20:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3990A3FE.C1395997@gate.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:21:18 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000808153517.0297e580@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: fujitsu drives have appeared on the market.. i have two fujitsu/IBM desktop drives and some low cost notebook drives.. if anyone besides IBM should be able to make a winchester technology drive, fujitsu should !! they made a terrific drive many years ago.. a fujitsu eagle (i think) and it was about 90megs and onlt the size of a normal mailbox.. quite nice for the era..!! STeve Andre' wrote: > Don't forget Fujitsu. A friend of mine swears by them (not at them). > > I think that pretty much covers the market. > > --STeve Andre' > > At 12:40 PM 8/8/00 -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > >Maxtor does not make laptop drives any more. They got out > >of that business a long time ago. > > > >The brands I know of that still make new models are IBM, > >Toshiba, and Hitachi. > > > >Any others? And who do other laptop makers use? > > > >Chris > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Mitchell Leben > >To: Randal Whittle > >Cc: TP List > >Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:30 PM > >Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) > > > > > > > Well, I called back to get another person on the phone. This time he > > > agreed the drive was failing, and a replacement 12 gig is on the way. He > > > said it might be either a Maxtor or Travelstar, which ever is available. > > > > > > Thanks for the quick answers. > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > > "begun" to fail. It is already doing so right now. Request an > >escalation > > > > on that tech support. > > > > > > -Mitch > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--- > > > Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing > > > mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send > > > http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com > > > > > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Aug 8 20:36:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA10959 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:36:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02772; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:32:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02508; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02494; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:32:35 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.202.76 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:32:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c00199$b098c580$4cca1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <20000809002602.23232.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Video Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:35:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: 560 120 mhz ----- Original Message ----- From: Pencetera To: Brad Burean Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 7:26 PM Subject: Re: Video > What model of thinkpad? > > --- Brad Burean wrote: > > What is the cheapest way for me to get and transfer > > short 30sec - 4 min > > clips to my thinkpad. My buddy and I are making a > > BBQ cooking CD. It will > > have recipes, music, and video clips of some of the > > cooking. I had thought > > about buying a digital camera, that would take > > clips, I did buy a quickcam > > but it keeps locking up. Any ideas? I MUST keep > > the cost down. > > > > Thanks > > Booger > > > > > > > > > ===== > http://www.pencetera.com - "For those who want to do things write" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Tue Aug 8 23:19:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA11669 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:19:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11001; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:17:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10813; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10800; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:17:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA25271; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:17:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:17:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) In-Reply-To: <3990A293.99257B17@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: My backup strategy is not to keep a clone of my hard drive, but just my data. This way I have much less data to backup, which means it is faster, easier, and cheaper, and more likely to be done on a regular basis. Sure, I'd love to have a stack of drives and do as you suggest. Maybe you can cut me a deal? ;)) When I loose my Windows system, chances are I am better off with a clean install anyway, rather than restore to a just about to fail Windows system. I do use Ghost to clone my system after I have everything loaded up, to save time for the next go around. On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > any backup is better than no backup.. > the best backup is two additional HDD's with drive copy or ghost.. > father/son backup.. -- Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue Aug 8 23:23:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA11700 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:23:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11454; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:21:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11275; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11261; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:21:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:21:53 -0400 Received: from dmpollock ([12.79.12.147]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000809032151.JBFQ13787.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@dmpollock> for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:21:51 +0000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP A20M : Introduction and a few questions Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:23:39 -0400 Reply-To: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net Message-ID: <7si1pso31pu5evsm5c8ha85evmsd1a3d89@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I am a first time laptop owner/user. It was IBM vs Dell and IBM won. I recently purchased a A20M model 26284TU P3 700, Win2K and added 128 MB RAM and found the machine wonderful with the exception of a rather whinny HDD noise, some personal preferences for modems and one dead pixel I kept trying to ignore;-) Noise was a sort of a continuous low level buzz. Is this a normal "feature" of TPs or laptops in general? The unit had a Xircom combo MPCI unit. I had wanted a 3 com and did not realize that model came with that particular unit. I had many low connects but things seemed to settle down and decided to live with it and then the RJ45 port went on me allowing sporadic and loose connections to my LAN and cable. So back it went and I am now awaiting Outpost.com to get the 26284WU which supposedly has a 3 Com. I say this as I get nothing but conflicting information from IBM and their website refuses a login to check drivers or look at Forums lately. Does anyone on this list know with any certainty about 3 com modems being a part of the new A20Ms out there now? One tech told me all modems were Lucent chipsets and another said not. I thought I once saw 3 com modem drivers on site but cannot get back to verify. Any help is greatly appreciated and any links you all feel might be useful for me to learn more about these products would be appreciated. I have been actively reading the laptop newsgroup and trying to absorb as much as possible. Dorothy From cph Tue Aug 8 23:49:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA11817 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:49:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13003; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:47:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12846; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12824; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:47:56 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.26.234]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000809034754.TNGV17157.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:47:54 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000808234517.0147fb40@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:45:17 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP A20M : Introduction and a few questions In-Reply-To: <7si1pso31pu5evsm5c8ha85evmsd1a3d89@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:23 PM 08/08/2000 -0400, DorothyM.Pollock@att.net wrote: >Does anyone on this list know with any certainty about 3 com modems >being a part of the new A20Ms out there now? One tech told me all >modems were Lucent chipsets and another said not. I thought I once saw >3 com modem drivers on site but cannot get back to verify. > Yes, there is a 3COM combo card. From cph Tue Aug 8 23:53:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA11836 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:53:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13385; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:51:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13273; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13260; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:51:36 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.26.234]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000809035134.TOEX17157.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:51:34 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000808234859.00a7ab90@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:48:59 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP A20M : Introduction and a few questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: >At 11:23 PM 08/08/2000 -0400, DorothyM.Pollock@att.net wrote: > >>Does anyone on this list know with any certainty about 3 com modems >>being a part of the new A20Ms out there now? One tech told me all >>modems were Lucent chipsets and another said not. I thought I once saw >>3 com modem drivers on site but cannot get back to verify. >> > >Yes, there is a 3COM combo card. Oh, wait, you said 3COM modem - I was talking about the NIC part of the card. From cph Wed Aug 9 00:06:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA11902 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:06:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14361; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:04:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14217; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14204; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:04:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:04:37 -0400 Received: from dmpollock ([12.79.12.147]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000809040435.TRPI17157.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@dmpollock>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:04:35 +0000 To: Jane Loyless Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: TP A20M : Introduction and a few questions Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:06:23 -0400 Reply-To: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net Message-ID: References: <3.0.1.32.20000808234859.00a7ab90@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000808234859.00a7ab90@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yes. That seems to be the confusion, Nic vs Modem. In rereading their note to me, it says 3Com combo card but now I am wondering;-) If I ever get back to their drivers section online for the 4WU model, I amy be able to answer my own question. They said: We are in receipt of your request for a information on a ThinkPad model that has a 3 Com combo card. I have found an IBM 10/100 Ethernet Mini-PCI Adapter with 56K Modem by 3Com at a cost of $189.00. The part number is 09N9774. If you are interested this may save you the hassle of doing the return. However if you would rather return your machine and purchase a new one, I have found a new model 26284WU that appears to be identical apart from the fact that it has a 3Com combo card. Thank you for the help. On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:48:59 -0400, you wrote: >>At 11:23 PM 08/08/2000 -0400, DorothyM.Pollock@att.net wrote: >> >>>Does anyone on this list know with any certainty about 3 com modems >>>being a part of the new A20Ms out there now? One tech told me all >>>modems were Lucent chipsets and another said not. I thought I once saw >>>3 com modem drivers on site but cannot get back to verify. >>> >> >>Yes, there is a 3COM combo card. > >Oh, wait, you said 3COM modem - I was talking about the NIC part of the card. From cph Wed Aug 9 04:25:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA12740 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:25:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26979; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:21:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26623; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26556; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41 -> vasquez.zip.com.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:21:24 -0400 Received: from CNSATwentyM.zip.com.au (starvin-marvin203.zip.com.au [210.23.142.203]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA12999 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:21:09 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000808093535.02fc3008@pop.zip.com.au> X-Sender: cnscott@pop.zip.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:41:06 +1000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Chris Scott Subject: Region encoding cracked on a20m with matshita 8174-C221 dvd In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I have cracked the hardware region encoding in the matshita (panasonic) 8174-C221 dvd drive that comes with the a20m (and perhaps other new thinkpads) there are some caveats... 1. you must flash the hardware and you may kill your drive. 2. dvd express wont work but i have found that win dvd 2000 works fantastically 3. the drive activity light no longer works if you would like details please contact cnscott@yahoo.com c. http://signature.coola.com/?cnscott@zip.com.au From cph Wed Aug 9 05:23:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA12887 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:23:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02282; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:20:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01976; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01962; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:20:36 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (SPFDA010-0036.splitrock.net [209.156.166.36]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.2) with ESMTP id e799KWw17970; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 02:20:32 -0700 Message-ID: <39912256.4B6A5721@mail.orion.org> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 04:20:22 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Swanson CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: "Bluestar usa"--how to make a purchase? References: <398FEAFE.9EFBD90C@snet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Marc Swanson wrote: > > Good morning all, > I recently "discovered" the Blue Star USA site. So....say I am an > individual, not a "reseller", with NO Tax ID #--is there a way to > actually buy from there guys? Any guidence appreciated! > Thanks, > Marc S. I don't know how to get around that problem, but if you need parts, sometimes it's actually cheaper to buy brand new parts from IBM! I got a lot of price quotes on case parts, and Blue Star USA was up to 3x more expensive than IBM! http://direct.ibm.com/shop Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Wed Aug 9 08:20:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA13557 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:20:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09555; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:16:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09421; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09407; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.102 -> pilot002.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:16:53 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm456-26.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.84]) by pilot002.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA21700 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:16:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809081116.01d5c100@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 08:15:15 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: TP A20M : Introduction and a few questions In-Reply-To: <7si1pso31pu5evsm5c8ha85evmsd1a3d89@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Sorry for the bad pixel; lately all I've seen IBM make is perfect screens, but they don't (and can't) promise perfect displays so bad pixels still do happen. Hope it isn't a red pixel--those are the worst ones. The whine from the disk is hopefully a consistent rotational sound, which you can hear wind down when you turn the unit off? I'm only familiar with a few IBM disks but for me they didn't make their noises initially, but "learned" this over time (my replacement 4G disk on my 1451i is now happily singing away, after 4 months of use). If the noise started the moment you got your unit, perhaps the noise isn't in the disk? Any clicking noises coming from the disk? ---STeve Andre' At 11:23 PM 8/8/00 -0400, DorothyM.Pollock@att.net wrote: >Hi, >I am a first time laptop owner/user. It was IBM vs Dell and IBM won. > >I recently purchased a A20M model 26284TU P3 700, Win2K and added 128 >MB RAM and found the machine wonderful with the exception of a rather >whinny HDD noise, some personal preferences for modems and one dead >pixel I kept trying to ignore;-) > >Noise was a sort of a continuous low level buzz. Is this a normal >"feature" of TPs or laptops in general? > >The unit had a Xircom combo MPCI unit. I had wanted a 3 com and did >not realize that model came with that particular unit. I had many low >connects but things seemed to settle down and decided to live with it >and then the RJ45 port went on me allowing sporadic and loose >connections to my LAN and cable. So back it went and I am now awaiting >Outpost.com to get the 26284WU which supposedly has a 3 Com. > >I say this as I get nothing but conflicting information from IBM and >their website refuses a login to check drivers or look at Forums >lately. > >Does anyone on this list know with any certainty about 3 com modems >being a part of the new A20Ms out there now? One tech told me all >modems were Lucent chipsets and another said not. I thought I once saw >3 com modem drivers on site but cannot get back to verify. > >Any help is greatly appreciated and any links you all feel might be >useful for me to learn more about these products would be appreciated. >I have been actively reading the laptop newsgroup and trying to absorb >as much as possible. > >Dorothy From cph Wed Aug 9 10:06:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA14142 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:06:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16522; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:03:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16229; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16212; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:03:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:03:31 -0400 Received: from dmpollock ([12.79.13.197]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000809140329.EPEV6710.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@dmpollock>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:03:29 +0000 To: "STeve Andre'" Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP A20M : Introduction and a few questions Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:05:18 -0400 Reply-To: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net Message-ID: References: <7si1pso31pu5evsm5c8ha85evmsd1a3d89@4ax.com> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809081116.01d5c100@pilot.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809081116.01d5c100@pilot.msu.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yeah, I have to say it made me feel not quite right as I am so used to perfect hardware. But I undertand this is how things go with pixels and LCDs and I tried to ignore it and be reasonable. I hope my replacement perhaps is perfect or at least not worse. It was a bright blue one, obvious only on very dark backgrounds and it was at times very dim. I often wondered if it were trying to be reborn No clicks. I am suspecting it is normally abnormal. When I get the new one I will pay closer attention. I only had the other for 2 weeks and returned it primarily due to the loose RJ45 connector. I was wondering...this will show you what a laptop newbie I am. I build my own desktops but this is new territory to me. On the machine I got, it had one PCMCIA slot open and the MPCI was installed. If I were to get a unit with a internal modem only and then added a MPCI card I wanted with a 3 com modem, would I have used up all the slots? I am not clear how these get occupied by the MPCI vs pure cards. >Sorry for the bad pixel; lately all I've seen IBM make is perfect screens, >but they don't (and can't) promise perfect displays so bad pixels still do >happen. Hope it isn't a red pixel--those are the worst ones. > >The whine from the disk is hopefully a consistent rotational sound, which >you can hear wind down when you turn the unit off? I'm only familiar with >a few IBM disks but for me they didn't make their noises initially, but >"learned" >this over time (my replacement 4G disk on my 1451i is now happily singing >away, after 4 months of use). > >If the noise started the moment you got your unit, perhaps the noise isn't >in the disk? Any clicking noises coming from the disk? > >---STeve Andre' > >At 11:23 PM 8/8/00 -0400, DorothyM.Pollock@att.net wrote: >>Hi, >>I am a first time laptop owner/user. It was IBM vs Dell and IBM won. >> >>I recently purchased a A20M model 26284TU P3 700, Win2K and added 128 >>MB RAM and found the machine wonderful with the exception of a rather >>whinny HDD noise, some personal preferences for modems and one dead >>pixel I kept trying to ignore;-) >> >>Noise was a sort of a continuous low level buzz. Is this a normal >>"feature" of TPs or laptops in general? >> >>The unit had a Xircom combo MPCI unit. I had wanted a 3 com and did >>not realize that model came with that particular unit. I had many low >>connects but things seemed to settle down and decided to live with it >>and then the RJ45 port went on me allowing sporadic and loose >>connections to my LAN and cable. So back it went and I am now awaiting >>Outpost.com to get the 26284WU which supposedly has a 3 Com. >> >>I say this as I get nothing but conflicting information from IBM and >>their website refuses a login to check drivers or look at Forums >>lately. >> >>Does anyone on this list know with any certainty about 3 com modems >>being a part of the new A20Ms out there now? One tech told me all >>modems were Lucent chipsets and another said not. I thought I once saw >>3 com modem drivers on site but cannot get back to verify. >> >>Any help is greatly appreciated and any links you all feel might be >>useful for me to learn more about these products would be appreciated. >>I have been actively reading the laptop newsgroup and trying to absorb >>as much as possible. >> >>Dorothy From cph Wed Aug 9 10:13:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA14207 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:13:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17370; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:11:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17130; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17116; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:11:53 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.156]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000809141151.ESWK6710.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:11:51 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000809100915.0142bb70@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:09:15 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP A20M : Introduction and a few questions In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809081116.01d5c100@pilot.msu.edu> <7si1pso31pu5evsm5c8ha85evmsd1a3d89@4ax.com> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809081116.01d5c100@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:05 AM 08/09/2000 -0400, DorothyM.Pollock@att.net wrote: >On the machine I got, it had one PCMCIA slot open and the MPCI was >installed. > What was in the second PC Card slot? From cph Wed Aug 9 10:22:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA14290 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:22:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18510; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:20:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18326; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18310; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:20:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:20:53 -0400 Received: from dmpollock ([12.79.19.200]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000809142051.NGHI13787.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@dmpollock>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:20:51 +0000 To: Jane Loyless Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: TP A20M : Introduction and a few questions Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:22:41 -0400 Reply-To: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net Message-ID: References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809081116.01d5c100@pilot.msu.edu> <7si1pso31pu5evsm5c8ha85evmsd1a3d89@4ax.com> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809081116.01d5c100@pilot.msu.edu> <3.0.1.32.20000809100915.0142bb70@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000809100915.0142bb70@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I only noted that it was closed with a screw if I recall when a friend asked me if having the MPCI allowed 2 slots to be free. Maybe it was simply covered vs full, that was why I was asking about it here as I have no idea as ridiculous as that sounds. On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:09:15 -0400, you wrote: >At 10:05 AM 08/09/2000 -0400, DorothyM.Pollock@att.net wrote: > >>On the machine I got, it had one PCMCIA slot open and the MPCI was >>installed. >> > >What was in the second PC Card slot? From cph Wed Aug 9 10:32:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA14354 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:32:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19658; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:30:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19483; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cwcom.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19468; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cwcom.net (195.44.0.104 -> email.cwcom.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:30:23 -0400 Received: from cwcom.net ([195.44.2.7]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.387.38); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:30:20 +0100 Message-ID: <39916B93.FD1530F@cwcom.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:32:51 +0100 From: Terry Filby Reply-To: m02we400@cwcom.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Help for Newbie Please! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've posted on here before with no response, but, as a recent TP560E owner, knowing absolutely nothing about Thinkpads, I do need help, even a little would help please. I find the group very interesting and informative, but, so far, nothing very relevant to my own queries. I downloaded from IBM the TP560 manual, which has helped, but it isn't enough. I bought the TP560E with Mandrake 7.0 Linux installed and with external floppy drive and Mandrake boot disk I have 6 cds of the Mandrake 7.0 DeLuxe on my desktop computer. Is it possible to copy linux progs from the cds to a floppy and then to download them on the Thinkpad? And will I first have to format them in Linux? If so, how? I have already tried loading a dos floppy to the TP560E, and it read the disks, but I couldn't download the program, I've tried Wine and Dosemu, but, as I have no experience in this - no go. Also, reading the manual I see that originally on the Thinkpad there was Utility and Device floppys, ESS Audiodrive, Thinkpad Features software, etc. plus the operating system. On the laptop now is the built-in Easy-Setup which I can get and that's it. Looking at the Linux FDisk it seems everything else on the 2.1Gb HD is Linux partitions. It's fine for now, but I would like to have all the requisite floppys so that I could install another operating system if I wanted to in the future. Can anyone help? Thanks Terry from Beccles, Suffolk U.K. From cph Wed Aug 9 10:37:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA14396 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:37:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20354; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:35:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20095; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20081; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:35:13 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.156]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000809143511.FDDB6710.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:35:11 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000809103235.01473e00@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:32:35 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP A20M : Introduction and a few questions In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.20000809100915.0142bb70@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809081116.01d5c100@pilot.msu.edu> <7si1pso31pu5evsm5c8ha85evmsd1a3d89@4ax.com> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809081116.01d5c100@pilot.msu.edu> <3.0.1.32.20000809100915.0142bb70@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:22 AM 08/09/2000 -0400, DorothyM.Pollock@att.net wrote: >I only noted that it was closed with a screw if I recall when a friend >asked me if having the MPCI allowed 2 slots to be free. Maybe it was >simply covered vs full, that was why I was asking about it here as I >have no idea as ridiculous as that sounds. > Not ridiculous at all - we all started knowing nothing and worked from there. This list is a good resource. It was just covered for some reason. The MiniPCI slot is separate and on the bottom. AFAIK, it shouldn't interfere with using both PC Card slots. From cph Wed Aug 9 10:57:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA14521 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:57:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22218; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:55:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22022; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22006; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:55:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:55:42 -0400 Received: from dmpollock ([12.79.19.200]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000809145540.NRQI13787.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@dmpollock>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:55:40 +0000 To: Jane Loyless Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: TP A20M : Introduction and a few questions Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:57:30 -0400 Reply-To: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net Message-ID: <8or2psgk8ln9b2iog3b8jtl7bk2bp99d87@4ax.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20000809100915.0142bb70@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809081116.01d5c100@pilot.msu.edu> <7si1pso31pu5evsm5c8ha85evmsd1a3d89@4ax.com> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809081116.01d5c100@pilot.msu.edu> <3.0.1.32.20000809100915.0142bb70@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <3.0.1.32.20000809103235.01473e00@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000809103235.01473e00@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: That was what I thought as I looked at the MPCI area myself and could not for the life of me figure out why it would. So, it seems I have 2 choices, get one with the new MPCI or get one with a modem only and add the NIC or a MPCI if that modem proves to be problematic. Is there any advantage to a distinct card modem or NIC vs MPCI? Or generally speaking among laptop users are combos known to be problematic? Any advantages one way or another to standalone cards or an internal modem and a stanalone NIC. This has been very helpful to me and I greatly appreciate all the input. On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:32:35 -0400, you wrote: >At 10:22 AM 08/09/2000 -0400, DorothyM.Pollock@att.net wrote: > >>I only noted that it was closed with a screw if I recall when a friend >>asked me if having the MPCI allowed 2 slots to be free. Maybe it was >>simply covered vs full, that was why I was asking about it here as I >>have no idea as ridiculous as that sounds. >> > >Not ridiculous at all - we all started knowing nothing and worked from >there. This list is a good resource. > >It was just covered for some reason. The MiniPCI slot is separate and on >the bottom. AFAIK, it shouldn't interfere with using both PC Card slots. From cph Wed Aug 9 11:20:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA14644 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:20:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24707; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:17:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24328; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24305; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:17:02 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-25.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.130]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA19030; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:16:54 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , Subject: RE: Help for Newbie Please! Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:27:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <39916B93.FD1530F@cwcom.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Terry Filby [mailto:m02we400@cwcom.net] wrote: > I've posted on here before with no response, but, as a recent TP560E > owner, knowing absolutely nothing about Thinkpads, I do need help, even > a little would help please. I find the group very interesting and > informative, but, so far, nothing very relevant to my own queries. I'm sorry you haven't had any responses Terry, but if you're willing to accept a _little_ help, I'm your man! ;-) > I downloaded from IBM the TP560 manual, which has helped, but it isn't > enough. I bought the TP560E with Mandrake 7.0 Linux installed and with > external floppy drive and Mandrake boot disk I have 6 cds of the > Mandrake 7.0 DeLuxe on my desktop computer. Is it possible to copy linux > progs from the cds to a floppy and then to download them on the > Thinkpad? And will I first have to format them in Linux? If so, how? I > have already tried loading a dos floppy to the TP560E, and it read the > disks, but I couldn't download the program, I've tried Wine and Dosemu, > but, as I have no experience in this - no go. I am the absolute LAST person on the list one should ask about Linux as my knowledge of such is completely non-existent. That being said, perhaps you could copy the relevant Linux files from your desktop to your 560 via a direct cable connection and a DOS program such as Laplink? Or you could check into the availability of an outboard parallel or PCMCIA CD drive for the unit. An outboard drive would certainly give you many more options on OS and program installations. > Also, reading the manual I see that originally on the Thinkpad there was > Utility and Device floppys, ESS Audiodrive, Thinkpad Features software, > etc. plus the operating system. On the laptop now is the built-in > Easy-Setup which I can get and that's it. Looking at the Linux FDisk it > seems everything else on the 2.1Gb HD is Linux partitions. It's fine for > now, but I would like to have all the requisite floppys so that I could > install another operating system if I wanted to in the future. All of the utility programs and device drivers you may need are available at: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3RYRAK.html however you won't find anything there for Linux. But, if you want all of the DOS/WIN or OS2/WARP drivers for your unit, that's the place. Also, make sure you have the latest BIOS for your unit. There's a link from the above URL. There are several _very_ Linux knowledgeable subscribers on the list, hopefully one or another can be of more help than I. Regards, James From cph Wed Aug 9 13:08:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15265 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:08:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04988; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:06:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04762; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04745; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.2 -> mail.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:06:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 24186 invoked by alias); 9 Aug 2000 17:03:47 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 23043 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2000 17:03:23 -0000 Received: from dialupjj207.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.35.207) by mail.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2000 17:03:23 -0000 Message-ID: <009701c00223$c2dd0730$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: , References: <7si1pso31pu5evsm5c8ha85evmsd1a3d89@4ax.com> Subject: Re: TP A20M : Introduction and a few questions Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:03:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: From: > Noise was a sort of a continuous low level buzz. Is this a normal > "feature" of TPs or laptops in general? My 600X does this sometimes. It happens when the volume is set quite high and usually is picked up by the microphone or line-in inputs. Try using the Volume Control applet to mute various inputs to see if some buzzing is reduced or eliminated. Chris From cph Wed Aug 9 13:08:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15269 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:08:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04980; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:06:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04714; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04700; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.2 -> mail.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:06:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 20391 invoked by alias); 9 Aug 2000 17:02:11 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 19406 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2000 17:01:47 -0000 Received: from dialupjj207.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.35.207) by mail.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2000 17:01:47 -0000 Message-ID: <009201c00223$89c67710$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: , "Jane Loyless" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <8or2psgk8ln9b2iog3b8jtl7bk2bp99d87@4ax.com> Subject: Re: TP A20M : Introduction and a few questions Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:02:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: > Is there any advantage to a distinct card modem or NIC vs MPCI? If you have a card, it's easier to send just that in if it should break. With MiniPCI, I expect EasyServ would want the entire unit for testing... to ensure the power supply wasn't burning out the NIC, etc. Then again, it will take a slot, have a separate warranty, etc. CardBus/PC Cards are also more likely to be supported by other operating systems in the future, before the MiniPCI card is likely to be supported anyway. I would go with MiniPCI myself. Chris From cph Wed Aug 9 13:13:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15293 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:13:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05750; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:11:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05546; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05517; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.2 -> mail.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:11:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 44371 invoked by alias); 9 Aug 2000 17:10:57 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 44137 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2000 17:10:53 -0000 Received: from dialupjj207.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.35.207) by mail.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2000 17:10:53 -0000 Message-ID: <00a401c00224$cf5b76d0$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: , References: <39916B93.FD1530F@cwcom.net> Subject: Re: Help for Newbie Please! Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:11:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: From: Terry Filby Hi Terry. I have run Linux on some ThinkPads, so I'll give it a go. > I downloaded from IBM the TP560 manual, which has helped, but it isn't > enough. I bought the TP560E with Mandrake 7.0 Linux installed and with > external floppy drive and Mandrake boot disk I have 6 cds of the > Mandrake 7.0 DeLuxe on my desktop computer. Is it possible to copy linux > progs from the cds to a floppy and then to download them on the > Thinkpad? And will I first have to format them in Linux? If so, how? I > have already tried loading a dos floppy to the TP560E, and it read the > disks, but I couldn't download the program, I've tried Wine and Dosemu, > but, as I have no experience in this - no go. If you really want to use floppies, it should be easy. You can use mcopy and mdir and all the mtools to use DOS floppies from linux. See your linux documentation for help on that. If I were you, though, I would get a network going and use that. Failing that, I would get a portable CD drive: PC Card for speed, or parallel for ease of use. Be sure linux supports it, though. > Also, reading the manual I see that originally on the Thinkpad there was > Utility and Device floppys, ESS Audiodrive, Thinkpad Features software, > etc. plus the operating system. On the laptop now is the built-in > Easy-Setup which I can get and that's it. Looking at the Linux FDisk it > seems everything else on the 2.1Gb HD is Linux partitions. It's fine for > now, but I would like to have all the requisite floppys so that I could > install another operating system if I wanted to in the future. The driver floppies are used when the OS doesn't come with drivers, or when new drivers are released. Win98 should have most of the drivers you'd need, as would any recent linux release. Floppies for other OS's are indeed on IBM's support site (http://www.pc.ibm.com/support). Best of luck, Chris Schumann From cph Wed Aug 9 14:09:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA15545 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:09:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11762; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:06:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11575; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11562; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:06:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:06:48 -0400 Received: from dmpollock ([12.79.15.66]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000809180646.YTEH14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@dmpollock>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:06:46 +0000 To: "Chris Schumann" Cc: "Jane Loyless" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: TP A20M : Introduction and a few questions Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:08:35 -0400 Reply-To: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net Message-ID: References: <8or2psgk8ln9b2iog3b8jtl7bk2bp99d87@4ax.com> <009201c00223$89c67710$1000a8c0@cschumann> In-Reply-To: <009201c00223$89c67710$1000a8c0@cschumann> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yes, I think I will stay with MPCI and the more I look, the more I am convinced that the combo has a Lucent based chipset and 3Com NIC only despite the drivers I saw one time. Normally I would say, oh I can always replace it etc but at over 2600.00 I really want to get what I want out of the box. Thanks again to all. I have a lot more information than I did before. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: > > >> Is there any advantage to a distinct card modem or NIC vs MPCI? > >If you have a card, it's easier to send just that in if it should >break. With MiniPCI, I expect EasyServ would want the entire unit >for testing... to ensure the power supply wasn't burning out the >NIC, etc. > >Then again, it will take a slot, have a separate warranty, etc. > >CardBus/PC Cards are also more likely to be supported by other >operating systems in the future, before the MiniPCI card is likely >to be supported anyway. > >I would go with MiniPCI myself. > >Chris > From cph Wed Aug 9 17:21:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA16665 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:21:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28509; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:18:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28216; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28203; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:18:20 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.251.253 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:17:29 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c00247$aef06ea0$fdfb163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Tips for rubbercoated Tpads Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:16:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Here's what I do to get a thinkpad ready for sale, it makes them look 100% better, you could always do this to your own machine to keep it looking nice. 1. Wipe down the exterior surfaces with a rag that has a BIT of paint thinner, or mineral spirits to get all the gunk and grease off of it. It will leave a bit of a film. remove that with another soft clean dry rag. This does wonders. If you are not sure about your cleaning agent, try it on a bottom surface, if it breaks down the coating STOP. DON'T use laquer thinner. 2. Same for keyboard but pull your trackpoint cap off before hand, as it will hold fibres from your rag. 3. For the screen, I have a old worn out diaper, I put just a small amount of glass cleaner and gently wipe it down. You MUST have a soft cloth, the displays scratch very easy. 4. For really grubby Thinkpads, you should see my friends 701. Use a Q-tip to clean out the corners, crevices etc. Just a few tips. Booger From cph Wed Aug 9 17:23:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA16689 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:23:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29230; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:20:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28556; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28543; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:20:44 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.251.253 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:20:08 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c00248$0e12fc40$fdfb163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: I GOT THEM! Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:23:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: The guy who bought that unused HD out of a 560 from me, sent all those thinkpad backgrounds to me in email. Anybody want them? Booger From cph Wed Aug 9 17:42:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA16775 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:42:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01706; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:40:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01289; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01273; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:40:48 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.251.253 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:40:13 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c0024a$dbf55de0$fdfb163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Thinkpad Backgrounds Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:43:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: They are zipped up and read. All seven total a 900K file Booger From cph Wed Aug 9 23:35:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA18304 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:35:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21862; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:32:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21719; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caliban.dogmead.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21698; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caliban.dogmead.com (198.73.240.1 -> caliban.dogmead.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:32:27 -0400 Received: from LEAR.dogmead.com (lear.dogmead.com [198.73.240.7]) by caliban.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18792; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by LEAR.dogmead.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:32:02 -0400 Message-ID: <5C18EEF01905D411980000E02906BBCD0210C7@LEAR.dogmead.com> From: Tim Tyhurst To: "'Mitchell Yee'" Cc: ThinkPad Users Mailing List Subject: RE: TP600E DVD player is acting up Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:32:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Well, it doesn't sound like exactly the same symptoms, but I had something similar happen to me: I had DVD playback working on my 770 (W2K), then didn't use it for a while. When I went back, playback was choppy, with lost frames, mismatched audio, etc. It turned out that in the intervening couple of months, I had turned off the "enable hot/warm swap of ultrabay devices". This made the DVD drive a slave on the primary IDE controller, rather than a master on the secondary IDE controller, which appears to have a detrimental effect on the rate at which data can be pulled from the DVD drive. Re-enabling Ultrabay hot/warm swap fixed the playback problems. I don't know how much this might affect faster ThinkPads -- this is on a venerable 770 (P233). tim -----Original Message----- From: Mitchell Yee [mailto:myee@innoventry.com] Sent: August 7, 2000 13:35 To: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' Subject: TP600E DVD player is acting up Greetings: I've got a TP600E (2645-4AU) running W98. It's got the IBM DVD player and the Margi MPEG card. I've played US DVD discs before without any problems. Then, after a hiatus of about 2 months, I threw in a DVD for a friend. Now, although the DVD plays using the Margi player, something has happened to the video. Specifically, the playback is broken by several horizontal lines - as if there's a synchronizing problem. Any clues? I've already tried reseating the PC cards (NIC, MPEG), changing the video settings from 1024-768 to 800x600. Curiously, the 800x600 display doesn't look quite right and maybe indicative of a bad video chip. Thanks, Mitchell From cph Thu Aug 10 03:52:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA19093 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:52:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA01606; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:50:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA01465; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA01452; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:50:22 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-262.gate.net [199.227.131.71]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA41708; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:50:17 -0400 Message-ID: <39925EDF.AC481CD0@gate.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:50:55 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP A20M : Introduction and a few questions References: <7si1pso31pu5evsm5c8ha85evmsd1a3d89@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i have not read all the comments in this thread, but.. 1. the OEM MPCI cards seem to be all xircom intel.. (i THINK this is correct as i looked at the one in my A20p and saw a xircom label).. i just got three add on MPCI combo cards and had to open one and look.. it IS a 3-com unit.. no manual, just a CD with drivers and a booklet warning about something in 34 different languages.. :-) your whiny HDD should be replaced if it is annoying.. there is only ONE MPCI slot indise a small door like the memory door.. on my A20p, the rj45 socket in the machine is flaky, the rj45 in the port replicator works fine.. DorothyM.Pollock@att.net wrote: > Hi, > I am a first time laptop owner/user. It was IBM vs Dell and IBM won. > > I recently purchased a A20M model 26284TU P3 700, Win2K and added 128 > MB RAM and found the machine wonderful with the exception of a rather > whinny HDD noise, some personal preferences for modems and one dead > pixel I kept trying to ignore;-) > > Noise was a sort of a continuous low level buzz. Is this a normal > "feature" of TPs or laptops in general? > > The unit had a Xircom combo MPCI unit. I had wanted a 3 com and did > not realize that model came with that particular unit. I had many low > connects but things seemed to settle down and decided to live with it > and then the RJ45 port went on me allowing sporadic and loose > connections to my LAN and cable. So back it went and I am now awaiting > Outpost.com to get the 26284WU which supposedly has a 3 Com. > > I say this as I get nothing but conflicting information from IBM and > their website refuses a login to check drivers or look at Forums > lately. > > Does anyone on this list know with any certainty about 3 com modems > being a part of the new A20Ms out there now? One tech told me all > modems were Lucent chipsets and another said not. I thought I once saw > 3 com modem drivers on site but cannot get back to verify. > > Any help is greatly appreciated and any links you all feel might be > useful for me to learn more about these products would be appreciated. > I have been actively reading the laptop newsgroup and trying to absorb > as much as possible. > > Dorothy -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Aug 10 11:19:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA20835 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:19:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28268; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:14:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27792; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27778; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:14:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:14:30 -0400 Received: from dmpollock ([12.79.16.84]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000810151418.KTCK14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@dmpollock>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:14:18 +0000 To: penzance@gate.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP A20M : Introduction and a few questions Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:16:09 -0400 Reply-To: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net Message-ID: References: <7si1pso31pu5evsm5c8ha85evmsd1a3d89@4ax.com> <39925EDF.AC481CD0@gate.net> In-Reply-To: <39925EDF.AC481CD0@gate.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yes, they were originally Xircom with a Intel or IBM NIC , Mine had an Intel NIC per the specs. There are 2 new models this summer of the A2M: 26284WU and 4XU that now list with a 3com NIC and 56K modem. IBM told me that it was a 3COM modem but the PDF sheet on their specs link seems to say otherwise. Of course for 189.00 they will be happy to sell me a add-on combo with a 3 COM modem. I am concerned about your report of flaky RJ45 as that is an important feature for me but glad it wasn't just me;-) Tech support, who I am rapidly becoming worried about, told me that that RJ45 is not attached to anything but the frame and merely serves as a pass through to the MPCI. So I am wondering if it is a connection issue of the model I returned or perhaps the NIC on the Xircom combo card was the issue and the newer combo uisng the 3COM NIC will be of any benefit. I do not have that many options at this point if I want this laptop. Get the newer model with the new MPCI combo or get a modem only and add a NIC. Fortunately the place I order from has a 30 day no hassle no restock return policy so if anything bad happens quickly, I can get it taken care of. But at this point it would be nice to move on with my life;-) Thanks again. >i have not read all the comments in this thread, but.. >1. the OEM MPCI cards seem to be all xircom intel.. >(i THINK this is correct as i looked at the one in my A20p and saw a >xircom label).. >i just got three add on MPCI combo cards and had to open one and look.. >it IS a 3-com unit.. >no manual, just a CD with drivers and a booklet warning about something in >34 different languages.. :-) > >your whiny HDD should be replaced if it is annoying.. > >there is only ONE MPCI slot indise a small door like the memory door.. > >on my A20p, the rj45 socket in the machine is flaky, the rj45 in the port >replicator works fine.. > >DorothyM.Pollock@att.net wrote: > >> Hi, >> I am a first time laptop owner/user. It was IBM vs Dell and IBM won. >> >> I recently purchased a A20M model 26284TU P3 700, Win2K and added 128 >> MB RAM and found the machine wonderful with the exception of a rather >> whinny HDD noise, some personal preferences for modems and one dead >> pixel I kept trying to ignore;-) >> >> Noise was a sort of a continuous low level buzz. Is this a normal >> "feature" of TPs or laptops in general? >> >> The unit had a Xircom combo MPCI unit. I had wanted a 3 com and did >> not realize that model came with that particular unit. I had many low >> connects but things seemed to settle down and decided to live with it >> and then the RJ45 port went on me allowing sporadic and loose >> connections to my LAN and cable. So back it went and I am now awaiting >> Outpost.com to get the 26284WU which supposedly has a 3 Com. >> >> I say this as I get nothing but conflicting information from IBM and >> their website refuses a login to check drivers or look at Forums >> lately. >> >> Does anyone on this list know with any certainty about 3 com modems >> being a part of the new A20Ms out there now? One tech told me all >> modems were Lucent chipsets and another said not. I thought I once saw >> 3 com modem drivers on site but cannot get back to verify. >> >> Any help is greatly appreciated and any links you all feel might be >> useful for me to learn more about these products would be appreciated. >> I have been actively reading the laptop newsgroup and trying to absorb >> as much as possible. >> >> Dorothy From cph Thu Aug 10 12:28:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21203 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:28:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04158; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:24:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03853; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03836; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:24:23 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-111.gate.net [207.36.212.111]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15262; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:24:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3992D756.CFC94CEF@gate.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:24:54 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP A20M : Introduction and a few questions References: <7si1pso31pu5evsm5c8ha85evmsd1a3d89@4ax.com> <39925EDF.AC481CD0@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net wrote: > Yes, they were originally Xircom with a Intel or IBM NIC , Mine had an > Intel NIC per the specs. > > There are 2 new models this summer of the A2M: 26284WU and 4XU > that now list with a 3com NIC and 56K modem. > IBM told me that it was a 3COM modem but the PDF sheet on their specs > link seems to say otherwise. > Of course for 189.00 they will be happy to sell me a add-on combo with > a 3 COM modem. > > I am concerned about your report of flaky RJ45 as that is an important > feature for me but glad it wasn't just me;-) > Tech support, who I am rapidly becoming worried about, told me that > that RJ45 is not attached to anything but the frame and merely serves > as a pass through to the MPCI. So I am wondering if it is a connection > issue of the model I returned or perhaps the NIC on the Xircom combo > card was the issue and the newer combo uisng the 3COM NIC will be of > any benefit. > This dovetails nicely with my experience, EXCEPT the NIC works fine with the port replicator and flaky in the back of the thinkpad.. i removed and replaced the combo (NIC) card and the rj45 in the back of the thinkpad worked for a short time, then flay again.. so i use it with the port replicator and alles ist OK.. :-) i'll try awapping one of these newer 3-com combo cards and see what happens, later.. :-) AND report on it if there is anything different that i can ascertain.. besides windoze going bonkers when it sees the different NIC and, hopefully, modem.. :-) > > I do not have that many options at this point if I want this laptop. > Get the newer model with the new MPCI combo or get a modem only and > add a NIC. > > Fortunately the place I order from has a 30 day no > hassle no restock return policy so if anything bad happens quickly, I > can get it taken care of. But at this point it would be nice to move > on with my life;-) > > Thanks again. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Aug 10 12:49:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21327 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:49:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06166; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:46:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05736; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05722; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (192.160.13.1 -> bolero.rahul.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:46:30 -0400 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA11661 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:46:28 -0700 Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by bolero.rahul.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 984D897005 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11631 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2000 16:46:23 -0000 Received: from m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com (HELO NewPad) (198.144.205.90) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 10 Aug 2000 16:46:23 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Brad Burean" , "Thinkpad Users" Subject: RE: Tips for rubbercoated Tpads Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:46:22 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001101c00247$aef06ea0$fdfb163f@oemcomputer> List-Unsubscribe: Yikes! Paint thinner?! Mineral spirits?! How about something equally effective, completely safe, and recommended by IBM? Dilute isopropyl alcohol 50-50 with water, dampen a 100% cotton cloth with it, and wipe. Follow with a dry 100% cotton cloth. For stubborn grease spots, moisten your finger and rub it on a bar of soap. Then rub that into the grease spot. Wash the soap off with your 50-50 alcohol cloth, then wipe dry. Or you could add a bit of soap to the alcohol solution, but that makes it harder to get the soap residue out. Actually, I added the soap part. IBM just recommends the 50-50 isopropyl solution. But the soap really helps with oily grease spots and it won't hurt the finish. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Burean [mailto:Burean@email.msn.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 2:17 PM > To: Thinkpad Users > Subject: Tips for rubbercoated Tpads > > > Here's what I do to get a thinkpad ready for sale, it makes them look 100% > better, you could always do this to your own machine to keep it looking > nice. > > 1. Wipe down the exterior surfaces with a rag that has a BIT of paint > thinner, or mineral spirits to get > all the gunk and grease off of it. It will leave a bit of a film. remove > that with another soft clean dry rag. > This does wonders. If you are not sure about your cleaning agent, try it > on a bottom surface, if it > breaks down the coating STOP. DON'T use laquer thinner. > > 2. Same for keyboard but pull your trackpoint cap off before hand, as it > will hold fibres from your > rag. > > 3. For the screen, I have a old worn out diaper, I put just a > small amount > of glass cleaner and gently > wipe it down. You MUST have a soft cloth, the displays scratch very easy. > > 4. For really grubby Thinkpads, you should see my friends 701. > Use a Q-tip > to clean out the corners, > crevices etc. > > Just a few tips. > > Booger > > > From cph Thu Aug 10 18:38:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA01843 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:38:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27991; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:31:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27735; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27714; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:31:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:31:01 -0400 Received: from dmpollock ([12.79.14.59]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000810203058.FPHH13787.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@dmpollock>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:30:58 +0000 To: penzance@gate.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP A20M : Introduction and a few questions Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:32:48 -0400 Reply-To: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net Message-ID: References: <7si1pso31pu5evsm5c8ha85evmsd1a3d89@4ax.com> <39925EDF.AC481CD0@gate.net> <3992D756.CFC94CEF@gate.net> In-Reply-To: <3992D756.CFC94CEF@gate.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I look forward to your results with the New combo card. Thanks again. >This dovetails nicely with my experience, EXCEPT the NIC works fine with the >port replicator and flaky in the back of the thinkpad.. >i removed and replaced the combo (NIC) card and the rj45 in the back of the >thinkpad worked for a short time, then flay again.. >so i use it with the port replicator and alles ist OK.. :-) >i'll try awapping one of these newer 3-com combo cards and see what happens, >later.. :-) >AND report on it if there is anything different that i can ascertain.. >besides windoze going bonkers when it sees the different NIC and, hopefully, >modem.. :-) From cph Thu Aug 10 18:38:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA01846 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:38:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26251; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:14:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26061; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26048; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (205.152.115.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:14:45 -0400 Received: from jnipper.m-y.net (line104.m-y.net [216.77.88.34]) by my1.m-y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11159; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:12:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200008101912.PAA11159@my1.m-y.net> From: "Computer Guru" To: "STeve Andre'" Cc: "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: Re: Update 1420i Ez Serv Raid Team Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:14:36 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steve and Group, Just got the unit back from IBM Raid team, and it does the same old darn thing. They said that they were unable to find any problems, but the unit still remains broken. It crashed within 5 mintues of use.They did not replace a thing, even with me sending a 2nd letter along with the unit. The tech on the phone told me that HE WAS 100% sure it is a hardware problem, and they would replace everything if they had to. What is the best way for me to go about getting a refund? I am totally sick of IBM, and feel reguardless of what model unit I get, It will also be filled with problems. I do NOT want an exchange, only a refund. I guess I will just go back to using my old Texas Inst. P100 laptop for now. It still runs fine. I just do not know what to say. I thought IBM was the best for laptops. It is just over 2 months old, and has has been to ez serv 3 TIMES. I'm sick of it....... Jim -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ------------------------------------- ---------- > From: STeve Andre' > To: Computer Guru > Subject: Re: Update 1420i > Date: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 1:04 AM > > Excellent... I hope they do it, finally. > > Meanwhile, I got an interesting call from IBM today at home, where they > say I owe them a part or something, and I have absolutely no idea what > they're talking about. So I get to call them tomorrow and see what the > giant wants.... > > Raid Team sounds vaugely familar. I'll bet those are the people to talk > with. If you get an 800 number for them, please pass that on to me for > my files. > > Thanks. > > STeve > > At 03:26 PM 8/1/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Steve-- > > > >I talked to IBM, and they are having me send it to the "Raid Team", for a > >24 hour inspection of the machine. They say that this is the last step > >before I request a replacement unit. I am told that they will find all > >problems in the machine and send it back to me in new, working condition. > > > > I really hope this does it for a while. > > > >Thanks steve. > > > >Jim > > > > > >-- > >Regards, > >Computer-Guru > >pctech@southeast.net > >------------------------------------- From cph Thu Aug 10 18:38:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA01852 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:38:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21263; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:06:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21056; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21043; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.122 -> mta1.snfc21.pbi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:05:58 -0400 Received: from dan ([206.170.7.51]) by mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0FZ3009JTBO6V7@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:04:33 -0700 From: Dan Galender Subject: RE: High capacity external batteries? In-reply-to: To: Tony Rice , Thinkpad Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) List-Unsubscribe: Tony- You might check out www.igo.com, and their product "Portable Power Pack" (http://www.igo.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=1&prrfnbr=1397 2&cat=&subcat=&link=). It comes in packaged with or without an automobile power cord. Hope this helps. Best regards, -Dan Galender -----Original Message----- From: Tony Rice [mailto:trice@cisco.com] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 11:41 AM To: Thinkpad Subject: High capacity external batteries? Which reminds me. Are there any external batteries available for the TP? I remember a couple being available for Powerbooks several years ago. They were very handy to have on long flights without the need to carry them around all the time, From cph Thu Aug 10 18:38:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA01855 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:38:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13018; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:48:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12752; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot014.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12739; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot014.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.114 -> pilot014.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:48:37 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port41.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.180]) by pilot014.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28330 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:48:34 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000810134339.01d1a400@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:48:34 -0400 To: "Thinkpad Users" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Battery advice In-Reply-To: <1855542977.20000810133935@erols.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: It depends on the battery chemistry. NiCD and NiMH batteries want what you listed below. Neither deal with the continued trickle charge well, and start to die after a year or less usually, when you leave them plugged in all the time. Keeping them fully charged isn't so important as discharging them and fully charging, in my opinion. Using the battery once a week would be a great schedule, if you can do that. The newer Li-lon batteries are rather different, at least in theory. They are supposed to not care about being overcharged, and can be charged at any time, and can be partially charged with no ill effects, but in some non-computer electronics (ham radio) I have seen these batteries fail in much the same way as NiMH batteries do. They are definitely better than NiCD/NiMH, however. --STeve Andre' At 01:39 PM 8/10/00 -0400, Donald MacQueen wrote: >What is the official IBM position on how to prolong TP battery life? > >I've heard you should: >1) run them all the way down before recharging >2) remove them when running on AC power >3) keep them fully charged at all times > >I don't know what to believe, but I'd like mine to last since they're >so &^$&^$#)& expensive. > >THanks. > > >-- >Donald > >Donald M. MacQueen >Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Thu Aug 10 18:38:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA01849 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:38:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18945; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:41:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18764; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18748; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.163.11 -> sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:41:14 -0400 Received: from mira-sjcm-1.cisco.com (mira-sjcm-1.cisco.com [171.69.2.212]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA13173 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tricent (ssh.cisco.com [171.69.10.34]) by mira-sjcm-1.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AKL24755; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:41:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tony Rice" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: High capacity external batteries? Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:40:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.0.20000810134339.01d1a400@pilot.msu.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Which reminds me. Are there any external batteries available for the TP? I remember a couple being available for Powerbooks several years ago. They were very handy to have on long flights without the need to carry them around all the time, From cph Thu Aug 10 18:44:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA01906 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:44:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11541; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:39:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11192; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icewall.vianet.on.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11179; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icewall.vianet.on.ca (209.91.128.10 -> icewall.vianet.on.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:39:17 -0400 Received: from hunt-tcs3-port96.vianet.on.ca (hunt-tcs3-port96.vianet.on.ca [209.91.148.247]) by icewall.vianet.on.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22012 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:39:35 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1855542977.20000810133935@erols.com> To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Battery advice In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: What is the official IBM position on how to prolong TP battery life? I've heard you should: 1) run them all the way down before recharging 2) remove them when running on AC power 3) keep them fully charged at all times I don't know what to believe, but I'd like mine to last since they're so &^$&^$#)& expensive. THanks. -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Thu Aug 10 20:15:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA02423 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:15:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11354; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:12:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11175; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11161; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.105 -> pilot005.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:12:55 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port16.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.17]) by pilot005.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA55220 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:12:50 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000810191508.01d4a100@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:12:54 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Update 1420i Ez Serv Raid Team In-Reply-To: <200008101912.PAA11159@my1.m-y.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I think you ought to call IBM's EZ Serve again, and this time ask for a supervisor right from the start and explain whats going on. I'd also send a letter explaining exactly what you can do to make the unit fail, and INSIST they take it yet again. Even if you want a replacement I think establishing a trail on repeated attempts to have this fixed will be important. To be fair to EZServe, an intermittent problem is hard to fix if they can't see what the problem IS. Thats why I suggest writing a letter explaining what you can do to make it happen. They don't have a pefect track record on fixing things, but then again, no one does. But in order to get something like a replacement or refund, you're going to have to go over this with them a couple more times. Don't worry--they have records of this too, and they don't want this to happen. STeve Andre' At 04:14 PM 8/10/00 -0400, Computer Guru wrote: >Steve and Group, > >Just got the unit back from IBM Raid team, and it does the same old darn >thing. They said that they were unable to find any problems, but the unit >still remains broken. It crashed within 5 mintues of use.They did not >replace a thing, even with me sending a 2nd letter along with the unit. The >tech on the phone told me that HE WAS 100% sure it is a hardware problem, >and they would replace everything if they had to. > >What is the best way for me to go about getting a refund? I am totally >sick of IBM, and feel reguardless of what model unit I get, It will also be >filled with problems. I do NOT want an exchange, only a refund. > I guess I will just go back to using my old Texas Inst. P100 laptop for >now. It still runs fine. > > > >I just do not know what to say. I thought IBM was the best for laptops. It >is just over 2 months old, and has has been to ez serv 3 TIMES. I'm sick of >it....... > >Jim > >-- >Regards, >Computer-Guru >pctech@southeast.net >------------------------------------- > >---------- > > From: STeve Andre' > > To: Computer Guru > > Subject: Re: Update 1420i > > Date: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 1:04 AM > > > > Excellent... I hope they do it, finally. > > > > Meanwhile, I got an interesting call from IBM today at home, where they > > say I owe them a part or something, and I have absolutely no idea what > > they're talking about. So I get to call them tomorrow and see what the > > giant wants.... > > > > Raid Team sounds vaugely familar. I'll bet those are the people to talk > > with. If you get an 800 number for them, please pass that on to me for > > my files. > > > > Thanks. > > > > STeve > > > > At 03:26 PM 8/1/00 -0400, you wrote: > > >Steve-- > > > > > >I talked to IBM, and they are having me send it to the "Raid Team", for >a > > >24 hour inspection of the machine. They say that this is the last step > > >before I request a replacement unit. I am told that they will find all > > >problems in the machine and send it back to me in new, working >condition. > > > > > > I really hope this does it for a while. > > > > > >Thanks steve. > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Regards, > > >Computer-Guru > > >pctech@southeast.net > > >------------------------------------- From cph Thu Aug 10 22:49:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA03012 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:49:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21455; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:47:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21253; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21240; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:47:29 -0400 Received: from user-37ka9a6.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37ka9a6.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.37.70]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA02534; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008110247.WAA02534@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Mitchell Leben" , "penzance@gate.net" Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" , "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <39909585.F3F4D6F2@gate.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) and BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! List-Unsubscribe: Western Digital gives a lifetime drive warrenty. Too bad they don't make TP drives. On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:19:33 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >its not that these are so costly to replace.. >IBM pays what anyone else pays for a HDD.. >even from IBM Storage systems.. >did someone say that that is a maxtor drive..?? >while i don't dislike maxtor like Jim does, i HAVE had the experience of >going through 3 or 4 desktop maxtor drives before i got one i would keep.. >(noise on most and just plain dead on one) >when i DID get one it has been reliable and still runs daily.. > >FWIW: i was once told that the cost to produce an IBM travelstar was $50.. >add for engineering and all the other stuff, but once its in production, >thats about it.. > >Mitchell Leben wrote: > >> I have to admit, I did ham it up a bit on my second call. In fact, I had >> the slight suspicion the tech was promting me for the correct answers. >> >> "So, every time you reboot you get more bad clusters, right?" >> >> "The hard drive makes a clicking sound, right?" >> >> Perhaps he had a record of my previous call on his screen. >> >> On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: >> >> > escalate, tell them is HAS failed, do whatever it takes, but REPLACE >> > the failing drive.. > >-- >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > From cph Fri Aug 11 00:09:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA03332 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:09:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26465; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:06:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26324; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-1.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26311; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-1.ziplink.net (206.15.170.62 -> relay-1.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:06:16 -0400 Received: from dallas (ip165.bedford9.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.79.165]) by relay-1.ziplink.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e7B46EB16459 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:06:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) and BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:06:38 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c00349$8c317000$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <200008110247.WAA02534@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 List-Unsubscribe: They also have the highest failure rate in the industry. The warranty is meaningless after you've lost data... its just an afterthought... We just want something that doesn't break to begin with. (wishful thinking...) -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 9:49 PM > To: Mitchell Leben; penzance@gate.net > Cc: James H. E. Maugham; Randal Whittle; TP List > Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) and BACK UP YOUR > ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! > > > Western Digital gives a lifetime drive warrenty. Too > bad they don't make TP drives. > > On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:19:33 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >its not that these are so costly to replace.. > >IBM pays what anyone else pays for a HDD.. > >even from IBM Storage systems.. > >did someone say that that is a maxtor drive..?? > >while i don't dislike maxtor like Jim does, i HAVE had the experience of > >going through 3 or 4 desktop maxtor drives before i got one i > would keep.. > >(noise on most and just plain dead on one) > >when i DID get one it has been reliable and still runs daily.. > > > >FWIW: i was once told that the cost to produce an IBM travelstar > was $50.. > >add for engineering and all the other stuff, but once its in production, > >thats about it.. > > > >Mitchell Leben wrote: > > > >> I have to admit, I did ham it up a bit on my second call. In > fact, I had > >> the slight suspicion the tech was promting me for the correct answers. > >> > >> "So, every time you reboot you get more bad clusters, right?" > >> > >> "The hard drive makes a clicking sound, right?" > >> > >> Perhaps he had a record of my previous call on his screen. > >> > >> On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > >> > >> > escalate, tell them is HAS failed, do whatever it takes, but REPLACE > >> > the failing drive.. > > > >-- > >Happy trails... > > > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) > >WEB page http://thinkpads.com > >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > > > > From cph Fri Aug 11 00:36:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA03421 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:36:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27638; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:34:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27525; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27512; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:34:10 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (206-97-58-232.ip.theriver.com [206.97.58.232]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C7F2608D; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:32:45 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <399382E5.CCF41DEC@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:36:53 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" Cc: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Battery advice References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000810134339.01d1a400@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: STeve Andre' wrote: > The newer Li-lon batteries are rather different, at least in theory. They > are supposed to not care about being overcharged, and can be charged > at any time, and can be partially charged with no ill effects, but in some > non-computer electronics (ham radio) I have seen these batteries fail in > much the same way as NiMH batteries do. They are definitely better than > NiCD/NiMH, however. It is true that Li-lon batteries can be partially discharged and recharged and show that they have a full charge repeatedly without a 'memory' effect. It is best that Li-lon batteries should be fully charged before placing in storage and it is always a good idea to remove the battery if you plan on using 'reliable' power (it is the "monsoon" season and power can die at any time due to lightening strikes near the power distribution system in the 'Desert' Southwest). Before switching to battery power it is a good idea, also, to fully charge all batteries you plan on using and removing batteries before they reach a fully discharged state. The constant charge can cause problems with any of these battery types, although Li-lon batteries are less suspect to this problem and 'smart' charging circuits can lessen its effects. James Mckenzie > > --STeve Andre' > > At 01:39 PM 8/10/00 -0400, Donald MacQueen wrote: > >What is the official IBM position on how to prolong TP battery life? > > > >I've heard you should: > >1) run them all the way down before recharging > >2) remove them when running on AC power > >3) keep them fully charged at all times > > > >I don't know what to believe, but I'd like mine to last since they're > >so &^$&^$#)& expensive. > > > >THanks. > > > > > >-- > >Donald > > > >Donald M. MacQueen > >Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Fri Aug 11 00:59:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA03487 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:59:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28551; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:57:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28441; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web204.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28428; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web204.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.104 -> web204.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:57:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 4915 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2000 04:57:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20000811045715.4914.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.197.22] by web204.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:57:15 PDT Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:57:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Pencetera Reply-To: pencetera@yahoo.com Subject: DVD Player To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Hi Everyone, Looking for a recommendation for a good dvd player for a base thinkpad 770 (233 MMX). It has 128Mb ram and I did upgrade with the IBM mpeg decoder. I do not have dvdexpress or softdvd. I'm currently using an older version of powerdvd which is okay but I don't know that it is taking advantage of the mpeg decoder card. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Mike B. ===== http://www.pencetera.com - "For those who want to do things write" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Fri Aug 11 02:34:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA03685 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:34:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01952; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:31:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01791; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01778; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:31:10 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA10445; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:30:58 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001201c0035d$bf684f20$b08d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , References: <20000811045715.4914.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: DVD Player Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:31:04 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: The only decoding software that is likely to use your decoder card is the sw that comes with the card. PowerDVD is ignoring your card, and also is not especially good on a P233 system (the only soft decoders which work well on systems with sub-350mhz processors are the ones based on versions of the Cinemaster decoding engine). - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pencetera" To: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 6:57 PM Subject: DVD Player Hi Everyone, Looking for a recommendation for a good dvd player for a base thinkpad 770 (233 MMX). It has 128Mb ram and I did upgrade with the IBM mpeg decoder. I do not have dvdexpress or softdvd. I'm currently using an older version of powerdvd which is okay but I don't know that it is taking advantage of the mpeg decoder card. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Mike B. ===== http://www.pencetera.com - "For those who want to do things write" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Fri Aug 11 04:31:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA04024 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:31:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11367; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:28:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10745; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10706; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:28:37 -0400 Received: from user-37ka9a6.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37ka9a6.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.37.70]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA31648; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008110828.EAA31648@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Mike Capone" , "thinkpads2" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <000001c00349$8c317000$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) and BACK UP YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! List-Unsubscribe: I didn't know that about WD drives. I have two of them in a desktop that surely have a million hours of use. The machine runs 24x7 to catch faxes, and sees regular desktop duty. And 2 more in a 2nd desktop that is about 5 years old, and sees daily use. Once, I thought a WD Cavalier drive had died. WD offered to exchange it at no cost. It turned out not to be the drive, but those guys were very decent to deal with. On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:06:38 -0400, Mike Capone wrote: > > >They also have the highest failure rate in the >industry. The warranty is meaningless after you've >lost data... its just an afterthought... > >We just want something that doesn't break >to begin with. (wishful thinking...) > >-Mike > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] >> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 9:49 PM >> To: Mitchell Leben; penzance@gate.net >> Cc: James H. E. Maugham; Randal Whittle; TP List >> Subject: Re: T20 failing hard drive (IBM says no) and BACK UP YOUR >> ENTIRE SYSTEM..!!! >> >> >> Western Digital gives a lifetime drive warrenty. Too >> bad they don't make TP drives. >> >> On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:19:33 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >> >> >its not that these are so costly to replace.. >> >IBM pays what anyone else pays for a HDD.. >> >even from IBM Storage systems.. >> >did someone say that that is a maxtor drive..?? >> >while i don't dislike maxtor like Jim does, i HAVE had the experience of >> >going through 3 or 4 desktop maxtor drives before i got one i >> would keep.. >> >(noise on most and just plain dead on one) >> >when i DID get one it has been reliable and still runs daily.. >> > >> >FWIW: i was once told that the cost to produce an IBM travelstar >> was $50.. >> >add for engineering and all the other stuff, but once its in production, >> >thats about it.. >> > >> >Mitchell Leben wrote: >> > >> >> I have to admit, I did ham it up a bit on my second call. In >> fact, I had >> >> the slight suspicion the tech was promting me for the correct answers. >> >> >> >> "So, every time you reboot you get more bad clusters, right?" >> >> >> >> "The hard drive makes a clicking sound, right?" >> >> >> >> Perhaps he had a record of my previous call on his screen. >> >> >> >> On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: >> >> >> >> > escalate, tell them is HAS failed, do whatever it takes, but REPLACE >> >> > the failing drive.. >> > >> >-- >> >Happy trails... >> > >> >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >> >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >> >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> From cph Fri Aug 11 12:46:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA05663 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:46:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13010; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:41:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12658; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.internal (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12645; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.internal (209.166.154.244 -> isdn244.vocollect.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:41:43 -0400 Received: from brianb (brianb.internal [172.31.6.12]) by mail.internal (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA27395 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:43:26 -0400 From: "Brian Bender" To: "Thinkpads list \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Battery advice Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:42:35 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01c003b3$27c2a1b0$0c061fac@brianb> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <399382E5.CCF41DEC@theriver.com> List-Unsubscribe: James (and everyone else), I was under the impression that (at least the last couple generations of) TP's _don't_ constantly trickle-charge, and they won't even start to charge until the battery dips a couple of percent. Which, if true, would completely eliminate the "usefullness" of removing the battery. Am I wrong about the charging? (_I_ still wouldn't remove the battery -- even if you don't believe you need a UPS (?), it's also a big ol' surge supressor). - Brian Bender Pittsburgh, PA, USA TP600: 10GB HDD, 224MB RAM, WinNT5 / Slack7 Linux dual-booting nicely. (and FreeBSD 4.1 on the 5GB disk) -----Original Message----- From: James Mckenzie [mailto:os2support@theriver.com] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 12:37 AM To: STeve Andre' Cc: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Battery advice It is true that Li-lon batteries can be partially discharged and recharged and show that they have a full charge repeatedly without a 'memory' effect. It is best that Li-lon batteries should be fully charged before placing in storage and it is always a good idea to remove the battery if you plan on using 'reliable' power (it is the "monsoon" season and power can die at any time due to lightening strikes near the power distribution system in the 'Desert' Southwest). Before switching to battery power it is a good idea, also, to fully charge all batteries you plan on using and removing batteries before they reach a fully discharged state. The constant charge can cause problems with any of these battery types, although Li-lon batteries are less suspect to this problem and 'smart' charging circuits can lessen its effects. James Mckenzie From cph Fri Aug 11 13:25:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA05820 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:25:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15387; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:22:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15182; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15169; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:22:06 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-163.gate.net [199.227.20.226]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA110294; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:21:52 -0400 Message-ID: <39943659.E9EAF012@gate.net> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:22:33 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Mckenzie CC: "STeve Andre'" , Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Battery advice References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000810134339.01d1a400@pilot.msu.edu> <399382E5.CCF41DEC@theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: thinkpads will not charge a battery if charge state is above 95%.. James Mckenzie wrote: > STeve Andre' wrote: > > > The newer Li-lon batteries are rather different, at least in theory. They > > are supposed to not care about being overcharged, and can be charged > > at any time, and can be partially charged with no ill effects, but in some > > non-computer electronics (ham radio) I have seen these batteries fail in > > much the same way as NiMH batteries do. They are definitely better than > > NiCD/NiMH, however. > > It is true that Li-lon batteries can be partially discharged and > recharged and show that they have a full charge repeatedly without a > 'memory' effect. It is best that Li-lon batteries should be fully > charged before placing in storage and it is always a good idea to remove > the battery if you plan on using 'reliable' power (it is the "monsoon" > season and power can die at any time due to lightening strikes near the > power distribution system in the 'Desert' Southwest). Before switching > to battery power it is a good idea, also, to fully charge all batteries > you plan on using and removing batteries before they reach a fully > discharged state. The constant charge can cause problems with any of > these battery types, although Li-lon batteries are less suspect to this > problem and 'smart' charging circuits can lessen its effects. > > James Mckenzie > > > > --STeve Andre' > > > > At 01:39 PM 8/10/00 -0400, Donald MacQueen wrote: > > >What is the official IBM position on how to prolong TP battery life? > > > > > >I've heard you should: > > >1) run them all the way down before recharging > > >2) remove them when running on AC power > > >3) keep them fully charged at all times > > > > > >I don't know what to believe, but I'd like mine to last since they're > > >so &^$&^$#)& expensive. > > > > > >THanks. > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Donald > > > > > >Donald M. MacQueen > > >Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri Aug 11 14:47:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA06314 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:47:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20666; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:43:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20377; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20364; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:43:31 -0400 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-79.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.79]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA19953 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000811144758.0085f350@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:47:58 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: IBM SelectaDock III's In-Reply-To: <20000802204409.M597@eyup.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I ordered one from this gent for $75.00: CompRslr@aol.com which I won from ebay to see. I know someone had left a message commenting on his feedback rating (which was 700+). The item arrived as described, brand new and he has plenty more for this price. If you are a 770/600/76x user, this is the ultimate in docking stations. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Aug 11 15:00:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA06419 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:00:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21834; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:56:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21603; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21581; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.102 -> pilot002.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:56:32 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.26]) by pilot002.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA25922 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:56:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000811145417.023c1e70@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:57:16 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Battery advice In-Reply-To: <39943659.E9EAF012@gate.net> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000810134339.01d1a400@pilot.msu.edu> <399382E5.CCF41DEC@theriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Are you sure about that for the i series, Bill? I have pretty much fried the battery in my 1451i; it now more resembles a chemical capacitor than a battery. The other possibility I suppose is that it starts to charge, but stops when it realizes that it's already at 95%--but takes a long time for it to realize that. Anyway, on the i series with NiMH batteries, I would still recommend taking the battery out if you plan on using it on AC for long periods of time. --STeve Andre' At 01:22 PM 8/11/00 -0400, you wrote: >thinkpads will not charge a battery if charge state is above 95%.. > >James Mckenzie wrote: > > > STeve Andre' wrote: > > > > > The newer Li-lon batteries are rather different, at least in > theory. They > > > are supposed to not care about being overcharged, and can be charged > > > at any time, and can be partially charged with no ill effects, but in > some > > > non-computer electronics (ham radio) I have seen these batteries fail in > > > much the same way as NiMH batteries do. They are definitely better than > > > NiCD/NiMH, however. > > > > It is true that Li-lon batteries can be partially discharged and > > recharged and show that they have a full charge repeatedly without a > > 'memory' effect. It is best that Li-lon batteries should be fully > > charged before placing in storage and it is always a good idea to remove > > the battery if you plan on using 'reliable' power (it is the "monsoon" > > season and power can die at any time due to lightening strikes near the > > power distribution system in the 'Desert' Southwest). Before switching > > to battery power it is a good idea, also, to fully charge all batteries > > you plan on using and removing batteries before they reach a fully > > discharged state. The constant charge can cause problems with any of > > these battery types, although Li-lon batteries are less suspect to this > > problem and 'smart' charging circuits can lessen its effects. > > > > James Mckenzie > > > > > > --STeve Andre' > > > > > > At 01:39 PM 8/10/00 -0400, Donald MacQueen wrote: > > > >What is the official IBM position on how to prolong TP battery life? > > > > > > > >I've heard you should: > > > >1) run them all the way down before recharging > > > >2) remove them when running on AC power > > > >3) keep them fully charged at all times > > > > > > > >I don't know what to believe, but I'd like mine to last since they're > > > >so &^$&^$#)& expensive. > > > > > > > >THanks. > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Donald > > > > > > > >Donald M. MacQueen > > > >Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] > >-- >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri Aug 11 21:05:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA08797 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:05:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09451; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:02:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09311; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09298; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (149.174.206.155 -> ds-img-rel-2.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:02:34 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id VAA24911 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-goh-vty27.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-goh-vty27.as.wcom.net [216.192.154.27]) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA24906 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:02:12 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1484671394.20000811200212@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: Drive A showing up in My Computer even when not connected? In-reply-To: <39904CFF.C9976513@gate.net> References: <39903C34.A0EC53B5@unity.ncsu.edu> <39904CFF.C9976513@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 1:10:07 PM, Bill wrote: > this is not unusual.. :-) > just don't try to access it because the OS will hang until it times > out.. The thing that gripes me about this (with my 770ED) is that it has to tiiiimmmmmmmeeeee oooooouuuuuuuutttttttt. Why can't the darn thing figure out quickly that there is no drive there and fail at once? Why does even the BIOS during the boot process try to access the floppy drive that's sitting in my briefcase? Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. iQA/AwUBOZSiDm8pw+2/9pUJEQJVCACgw4gOikq14w+MIqGaDoogUcuElGYAnjtI sbUZe1oKExpNvV4VDJP/FE2r =0KfI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Fri Aug 11 21:16:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA08875 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:16:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09839; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:15:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09719; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09705; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (205.152.115.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:15:10 -0400 Received: from jnipper.m-y.net (line148.m-y.net [216.77.88.78]) by my1.m-y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28344 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:14:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200008120114.VAA28344@my1.m-y.net> From: "Computer Guru" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: EZ Serv Abuse to machines?? Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:15:11 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: EZ Serv Abuse to machines?? Hi All, Got my Thinkpad back from EZ Serv "Raid Team" for the 3rd time in 2 months, and worse condition that what it was before I sent it in. After finding out that they were not willing to fix my problems with the machine, they sent it back to me as is. It opened it up and turned on, and the sound was all the way up. The speakers sound awful now, and very distorted. I am totally sure that the sound was fine before I sent the unit in. I was always sure to have the volume set to a low setting. Has anyone else had Ez Serv do something like this?? I am just sick from all of it. I am now in the process of getting a replacement new unit, or a refund. At this point, I think the unit is too far gone to be fixed. Jim-- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ------------------------------------- From cph Fri Aug 11 21:21:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA08896 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:21:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10086; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:19:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09958; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09945; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (205.152.115.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:19:29 -0400 Received: from jnipper.m-y.net (line148.m-y.net [216.77.88.78]) by my1.m-y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28659 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:19:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200008120119.VAA28659@my1.m-y.net> From: "Computer Guru" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: Best Thinkpad.?? Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:19:30 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi All, Anyone know what the best, most dependable Thinkpad model on the Market is now? I am looking into possibly getting a replacement unit from IBM, for my 1420i Lemon. I just feel regardless of what I series model I get, it will be a problem from the start. I will not accept any I series model, if I can help it. Jim -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ------------------------------------- From cph Fri Aug 11 22:25:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA09310 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:25:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12045; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:23:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11947; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11934; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:23:29 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.206.47 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:22:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c00404$ad892340$2fce1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: swap out Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:26:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Is it possible to take a 560 120mhz MB and switch it with a 560X MB? I know the 560X has a USB port, but if the opening could be fashioned, would it work in the old 120 case? Thanks Brad From cph Fri Aug 11 23:16:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA09480 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:16:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13773; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:15:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13655; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-2.core.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13641; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-2.core.com (208.40.40.41 -> mx2.core.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:15:07 -0400 Received: from ErichR ([216.214.113.234]) by smtp-2.core.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id FZ5SXT01.MFO for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:13:05 -0400 From: "Erich R. Knobil" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: T20 DVD problem? Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:11:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Finally got my T20 today (2647-46U). Had lots of troubles trying to read CDs with the (included) DVD drive. The drive just wouldn't recognize the CDs as valid media (LED flashes bright a number of times, then dims but continues flashing). Physically unplugging and replugging the drive and/or re-booting seemed to help (for a while), but the problem repeated. Somehow I got it working enough to load some apps, but then had the problem again. The other slimbay options are back-ordered, so I can't yet do the obvious experiements. I just thought I'd see if anyone has seen this, and knows what to do about it. Thanks in advance if you can help! -- Erich From cph Fri Aug 11 23:43:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA09596 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:43:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14625; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:41:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14457; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14431; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:41:03 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.216.181]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000812034101.FOJA14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 03:41:01 +0000 Message-ID: <3994C6BF.44DA5F2E@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:38:39 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Erich R. Knobil" CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: T20 DVD problem? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Run the Recovery CD. It does not take long. I have had problems sometimes when I have gotten a new ThinkPad. Birger From cph Sat Aug 12 00:17:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA09765 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:17:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15819; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:15:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15696; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from u1.farm.idt.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15682; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from u1.farm.idt.net (169.132.8.10 -> u1.farm.idt.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:15:23 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (ppp-10.ts-1-bay.hck.idt.net [169.132.56.10]) by u1.farm.idt.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA15536; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:15:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "A Kumar" To: "Computer Guru" Cc: "List Thinkpad" Subject: RE: EZ Serv Abuse to machines?? Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:11:21 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200008120114.VAA28344@my1.m-y.net> List-Unsubscribe: Yes I had a ThinkPad 600 that went in 5 times and each time it came back unfixed or in worse condition then it went in. At one point it came back and the case was severely damaged. It took an enormous amount of arm twisting on my part to get them to repair it. I have lost all confidence in ez serv and never recommend IBMs to anyone(Though I am personally lusting over a T20). I would recommend that you keep records of every conversation you have with IBM and get your case escalated. Ideally all you correspondence with IBM will be in writing. Just be ready to provide large amounts of proof cause its like pulling teeth with IBM. -----Original Message----- From: Computer Guru [mailto:pctech@southeast.net] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:15 PM To: ThinkPad mailing list Subject: EZ Serv Abuse to machines?? Importance: High EZ Serv Abuse to machines?? Hi All, Got my Thinkpad back from EZ Serv "Raid Team" for the 3rd time in 2 months, and worse condition that what it was before I sent it in. After finding out that they were not willing to fix my problems with the machine, they sent it back to me as is. It opened it up and turned on, and the sound was all the way up. The speakers sound awful now, and very distorted. I am totally sure that the sound was fine before I sent the unit in. I was always sure to have the volume set to a low setting. Has anyone else had Ez Serv do something like this?? I am just sick from all of it. I am now in the process of getting a replacement new unit, or a refund. At this point, I think the unit is too far gone to be fixed. Jim-- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ------------------------------------- From cph Sat Aug 12 00:31:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA09802 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:31:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16343; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:29:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16213; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16200; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:29:56 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-289.gate.net [199.227.131.98]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28890; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:29:52 -0400 Message-ID: <3994D2E6.174A10AC@gate.net> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:30:30 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Computer Guru CC: ThinkPad mailing list Subject: Re: Best Thinkpad.?? References: <200008120119.VAA28659@my1.m-y.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: 770Z Computer Guru wrote: > Hi All, > > Anyone know what the best, most dependable Thinkpad model on the Market is > now? I am looking into possibly getting a replacement unit from IBM, for my > 1420i Lemon. I just feel regardless of what I series model I get, it will > be a problem from the start. I will not accept any I series model, if I can > help it. > > Jim > > -- > Regards, > Computer-Guru > pctech@southeast.net > ------------------------------------- -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Aug 12 00:35:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA09821 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:35:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16586; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:33:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16455; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16442; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:33:51 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-289.gate.net [199.227.131.98]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA181788; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:33:48 -0400 Message-ID: <3994D3D2.2FB4F94A@gate.net> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:34:26 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Burean CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: swap out References: <000701c00404$ad892340$2fce1b3f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Brad.. it might work.. but it also might take some interior mods.. like screw holes in different places, little partitions moved.. no direct experience trying that.. Brad Burean wrote: > Is it possible to take a 560 120mhz MB and switch it with a 560X MB? I know > the 560X has a USB port, but if the opening could be fashioned, would it > work in the old 120 case? > > Thanks > Brad -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Aug 12 00:42:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA09853 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:42:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16908; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:40:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16797; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16784; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (207.181.194.97 -> oberon.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:40:24 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by oberon.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17512; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BlackBird (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA11321; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001501c00417$c42e4720$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Erich R. Knobil" , "Thinkpad List" References: Subject: Re: T20 DVD problem? Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:42:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Make sure that you are firmly pushing on the CD's *OVER* the hub until they SNAP into position. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erich R. Knobil" To: "Thinkpad List" Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 8:11 PM Subject: T20 DVD problem? > Finally got my T20 today (2647-46U). Had lots of troubles trying to read > CDs with the (included) DVD drive. The drive just wouldn't recognize the > CDs as valid media (LED flashes bright a number of times, then dims but > continues flashing). Physically unplugging and replugging the drive and/or > re-booting seemed to help (for a while), but the problem repeated. Somehow > I got it working enough to load some apps, but then had the problem again. > > The other slimbay options are back-ordered, so I can't yet do the obvious > experiements. I just thought I'd see if anyone has seen this, and knows > what to do about it. Thanks in advance if you can help! > > -- Erich > > From cph Sat Aug 12 00:46:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA09868 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:46:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17171; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:44:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17002; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inwave.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16989; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inwave.com (206.101.238.8 -> iria.inwave.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:44:17 -0400 Received: from ACAROL3 [209.83.107.37] by inwave.com (SMTPD32-6.04) id A61D260900C8; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:44:13 -0500 Message-ID: <015601c00418$6d4d42c0$686b53d1@ACAROL3> From: "Carol Pease" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: A20P dual boot Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:47:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0153_01C003EE.83982560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0153_01C003EE.83982560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have an A20P with Win2k as a preload. 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= ------=_NextPart_000_0153_01C003EE.83982560-- From cph Sat Aug 12 00:46:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA09877 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:46:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17312; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:45:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17069; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17056; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:45:18 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-289.gate.net [199.227.131.98]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA180110; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:42:14 -0400 Message-ID: <3994D5CB.187C5CFC@gate.net> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:42:51 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP A20M : Introduction and a few questions References: <7si1pso31pu5evsm5c8ha85evmsd1a3d89@4ax.com> <39925EDF.AC481CD0@gate.net> <3992D756.CFC94CEF@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the 3-com combo card works fine, like the Xircom combo card that comes with the machine.. no change to the rj45 socket in the back of the machine.. still flaky.. BUT, with some vigorous working of the ethernet cable while in the socket, it started working.. i'm not sure how to learn if it IS a winmodem or not.. DorothyM.Pollock@att.net wrote: > I look forward to your results with the New combo card. > Thanks again. > > >This dovetails nicely with my experience, EXCEPT the NIC works fine with the > >port replicator and flaky in the back of the thinkpad.. > >i removed and replaced the combo (NIC) card and the rj45 in the back of the > >thinkpad worked for a short time, then flay again.. > >so i use it with the port replicator and alles ist OK.. :-) > >i'll try awapping one of these newer 3-com combo cards and see what happens, > >later.. :-) > >AND report on it if there is anything different that i can ascertain.. > >besides windoze going bonkers when it sees the different NIC and, hopefully, > >modem.. :-) -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Aug 12 02:07:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA10131 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:07:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19596; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:04:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19471; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.crcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19458; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.crcn.net (206.12.129.3 -> mail.crcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:04:43 -0400 X-ROUTED: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:03:00 -0800 Received: from [206.12.129.181] by mail.crcn.net with smtp id 16263784 ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:02:54 -0800 From: "Pat Presidente" To: "Carol Pease" , "Thinkpad Users" Subject: RE: A20P dual boot Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:03:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C003E8.620A1DA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <015601c00418$6d4d42c0$686b53d1@ACAROL3> List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C003E8.620A1DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Carol; I have a 570 that dual boots to 98 and 2000. I had 98 installed and added 2000 - the reverse of your situation. I have since blown away and re-installed 98 a number of times, retaining my 2000 partition. My only concern is I think I recall hearing somewhere that 98 likes to be on the 1st parttion - could be wrong though. Perhaps someone can answer that. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Carol Pease [mailto:Carol@CarolPease.com] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:48 PM To: Thinkpad Users Subject: A20P dual boot I have an A20P with Win2k as a preload. I have one program that will not run and must be installed under Windows 98. Has anyone done a dual-boot installation without having to reformat the hard drive and start with Win98. Time is very important to me and I need to get this done quickly. Any suggestions? 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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C003E8.620A1DA0-- From cph Sat Aug 12 06:09:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA10719 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 06:09:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06697; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 06:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 06:07:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06600; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 06:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06587; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 06:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 06:07:13 -0400 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-38.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.38]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA01171 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 06:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000812061141.01711100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 06:11:41 -0700 To: ThinkPad mailing list From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Best Thinkpad.?? In-Reply-To: <3994D2E6.174A10AC@gate.net> References: <200008120119.VAA28659@my1.m-y.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:30 AM 08/12/2000 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >770Z > >Computer Guru wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Anyone know what the best, most dependable Thinkpad model on the Market is >> now? I am looking into possibly getting a replacement unit from IBM, for my >> 1420i Lemon. I just feel regardless of what I series model I get, it will >> be a problem from the start. I will not accept any I series model, if I can >> help it. Without a doubt. Still using numerous 770 models around here from a 1AU to a 5AU, three 7BUs and an 8BU (mine!). All jammed with 256-320megs each and 8 gig HDs to 25gig HDs. They are our staple machines here for all road/consulting work. Plus, you can get the fairly cheap now with enough zip to get the job done (P233MMX up to P2-366). IMHO, the 8BU is plenty fast for what I'm using (VB60, Oracle PE, Delphi, Access) and have Win98SE to NT4SP6 on all of 'em except one 7BU is running Win2k for evaluation and crunch tests. Mark From cph Sat Aug 12 08:14:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA11156 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:14:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09386; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:12:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09270; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09254; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:12:41 -0400 Received: from WALD7 (user-2ive0ik.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.2.84]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA06708 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:12:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Best Thinkpad.?? Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:15:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-To: <3994D2E6.174A10AC@gate.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Agreed, with the possible exception that the 770 models suffer from the "peeling paint" syndrome on the palm rests. This is not a problem with the new A20p, which has a plastic palm rest. I know that Bill Morrow is not so enthusiastic about the A20p, as he is the 770's. I don't think the build quality is as good. Not everyone has experienced this problem, but I have on both the original 770 (3 times) and the 770Z (not yet repaired). The 770Z otherwise is a great machine. Make sure you get the hardware DVD encoder, though, especially if you are going to upgrade it to W2K. Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:31 AM To: Computer Guru Cc: ThinkPad mailing list Subject: Re: Best Thinkpad.?? 770Z Computer Guru wrote: > Hi All, > > Anyone know what the best, most dependable Thinkpad model on the Market is > now? I am looking into possibly getting a replacement unit from IBM, for my > 1420i Lemon. I just feel regardless of what I series model I get, it will > be a problem from the start. I will not accept any I series model, if I can > help it. > > Jim > > -- > Regards, > Computer-Guru > pctech@southeast.net > ------------------------------------- -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Aug 12 09:23:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA11284 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:23:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10949; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:21:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10817; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10803; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (128.196.137.197 -> trifid.U.Arizona.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:21:14 -0400 Received: from e770.spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (uofa546.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.118.38]) by trifid.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA38022 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 06:21:11 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000812060044.00b3d7c0@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 06:21:10 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Stuart F. Biggar" Subject: RE: Best Thinkpad.?? In-Reply-To: References: <3994D2E6.174A10AC@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I have a 770E that has been to EasyServ twice for backlight inverter replacement. At first it started flashing/flickering and then it would just quit. Makes it real hard to see the display. EasyServ also replaced the CPU and several other components as the audio system was starting to sound off with static after the machine ran for several hours or more. Static could be stopped by turning down the volume knob fully but that prevented any sounds - not to helpful if you are trying to listen to the dial sequence when trying to dial long distance when traveling. The paint hasn't peeled on my 770E at all and it is used every day (unless it is at EasyServe). Things are now working but it has only been two weeks since I got the machine back from the 2nd service. We have had similar problems with the backlight inverter and audio/modem system (mwave hardware failure) with a 765D. Now, an older 755CX that we have had for years and beat up by taking it to/from home/office every day and into the field numerous times has worked fine for years. It is a bit slow however with a P75 and 40 MB of RAM (max). An even older Toshiba T4600C (486SL-33) still works and has never had to be fixed even though it was used daily and also abused by various students in the field. Hence machines can be made reliable if done right at the start. Therefore, I wonder if the newer machines are put out with less testing and with more marginal designs than some of the older (and relatively more expensive) machines. Stuart >Agreed, with the possible exception that the 770 models suffer from the >"peeling paint" syndrome on the palm rests. This is not a problem with the >new A20p, which has a plastic palm rest. I know that Bill Morrow is not so >enthusiastic about the A20p, as he is the 770's. I don't think the build >quality is as good. Not everyone has experienced this problem, but I have on >both the original 770 (3 times) and the 770Z (not yet repaired). The 770Z >otherwise is a great machine. Make sure you get the hardware DVD encoder, >though, especially if you are going to upgrade it to W2K. > >Bill Armstrong > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] >Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:31 AM >To: Computer Guru >Cc: ThinkPad mailing list >Subject: Re: Best Thinkpad.?? > >770Z > >Computer Guru wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > Anyone know what the best, most dependable Thinkpad model on the Market is > > now? I am looking into possibly getting a replacement unit from IBM, for >my > > 1420i Lemon. I just feel regardless of what I series model I get, it will > > be a problem from the start. I will not accept any I series model, if I >can > > help it. > > > > Jim > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Computer-Guru > > pctech@southeast.net > > ------------------------------------- > >-- >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Aug 12 11:21:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11672 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:21:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14036; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:19:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13921; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13908; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:19:18 -0400 Received: from 216-164-131-46.s46.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.131.46] helo=localhost.localdomain) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Nd49-0001Q1-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:19:17 -0400 From: Rusty Lingenfelter Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:19:36 GMT Message-ID: <20000812.15193600@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Screen Trade To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; StarOffice/5.2;Linux) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA11673 Hi, I accidentally purchased a new screen for a 701CS on Ebay and what I really need is one for a 701C. Anyone interested in a trade? Let me know. Rusty From cph Sat Aug 12 11:46:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11757 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:45:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14791; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:44:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14707; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14694; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:44:05 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip129-37-224-47.mo.us.prserv.net [129.37.224.47]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.2) with ESMTP id e7CFi1w10037; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:44:01 -0700 Message-ID: <399570BB.76D78A51@mail.orion.org> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:43:55 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Burean CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: swap out References: <000701c00404$ad892340$2fce1b3f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Brad Burean wrote: > > Is it possible to take a 560 120mhz MB and switch it with a 560X MB? I know > the 560X has a USB port, but if the opening could be fashioned, would it > work in the old 120 case? You would also need to fashion and opening for the additional docking port connector on the bottom. That area of the case is also lower on the 560X, so you might have to do a little more than just make an opening for it. The PCMCIA section on the 560X case is also lower. I'm not sure why, but apparently the PCMCIA slots in a 560X are placed a little lower than in a 560. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Sat Aug 12 15:27:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA12357 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:27:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06762; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:24:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06421; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Thinkpad (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06408; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Thinkpad (12.79.57.206 -> 206.morristown-15-20rs.nj.dial-access.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:24:15 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01c00492$d245cce0$ce394f0c@gos101.ml.com> From: "Donald Mak" To: Subject: TP 600 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:23:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C00471.343862E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C00471.343862E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone seen any 600's at good prices anywhere? 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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C00471.343862E0-- From cph Sun Aug 13 03:17:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA14505 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 03:17:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29132; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 03:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 03:13:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28845; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 03:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28832; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 03:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 03:13:30 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-329.gate.net [199.227.131.138]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA115146; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 03:13:25 -0400 Message-ID: <39964AB8.4990ACCB@gate.net> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 03:14:01 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carol Pease CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: A20P dual boot References: <015601c00418$6d4d42c0$686b53d1@ACAROL3> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------358EBB17C39D643315185AB5" List-Unsubscribe: --------------358EBB17C39D643315185AB5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol... i tried to answer this question several times, but only succeeded in confusing myself, so i gave up... the long and short of it is, its going to take some time to achive a good dual boot, and since i rarely do a dual boot (other than w2k over a previous OS) i'm not the one to suggest some of the boot managers.. though i have heard that the one supplied with PQ Magic works well enough.. the problem you face is all those little apps, utilities, etc., that need to be loaded once the raw OS is loaded.. best solution is get a boot manager and then load w98 in the second partition.. since you won't be using it so much (presumeably) you can forego most of the little apps and utilities, and just use it for running your special w98 only app.. good luck.. :-) Carol Pease wrote: > I have an A20P with Win2k as a preload. I have one program that will > not run and must be installed under Windows 98. Has anyone done a > dual-boot installation without having to reformat the hard drive and > start with Win98. Time is very important to me and I need to get this > done quickly. Any suggestions? Carol > Pease^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ROCKFORD'S TOP-PRODUCING ON-LINE AGENT! > -------------------------------------------- > Carol Pease, ABR | Office: 815-395-6873 > Whitehead, Inc Realtors |Home: 815-282-8721 > 5100 E State St | Toll Free: 888-478-4910 > Rockford, IL 61108 | Fax: 815-229-0320 > mailto:Carol@carolpease.com > http://www.CarolPease.com > ******************************************** > "An Allen F. Hainge Cyberstar" (tm) > ============================================ > Proud member of the E-Pro 500 > ============================================ > Licensed in the State of Illinois > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net --------------358EBB17C39D643315185AB5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol...

i tried to answer this question several times, but only succeeded in confusing myself, so i gave up...

the long and short of it is, its going to take some time to achive a good dual boot, and since i rarely do a dual boot (other than w2k over a previous OS) i'm not the one to suggest some of the boot managers..

though i have heard that the one supplied with PQ Magic works well enough..

the problem you face is all those little apps, utilities, etc., that need to be loaded once the raw OS is loaded..

best solution is get a boot manager and then load w98 in the second partition.. since you won't be using it so much (presumeably) you can forego most of the little apps and utilities, and just use it for running your special w98 only app..

good luck..  :-)

Carol Pease wrote:

I have an A20P with Win2k as a preload.  I have one program that will not run and must be installed under Windows 98.  Has anyone done a dual-boot installation without having to reformat the hard drive and start with Win98.  Time is very important to me and I need to get this done quickly.   Any suggestions? Carol Pease^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ROCKFORD'S TOP-PRODUCING ON-LINE AGENT!
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Carol Pease, ABR    |  Office:  815-395-6873
Whitehead, Inc Realtors |Home:  815-282-8721
5100 E State St   | Toll Free:  888-478-4910
Rockford, IL  61108  |    Fax:  815-229-0320
mailto:Carol@carolpease.com
http://www.CarolPease.com
********************************************
"An Allen F. Hainge Cyberstar" (tm)
============================================
Proud member of the E-Pro 500
============================================
Licensed in the State of Illinois
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
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e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net
  --------------358EBB17C39D643315185AB5-- From cph Sun Aug 13 03:37:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA14550 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 03:37:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA01191; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 03:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 03:35:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00973; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 03:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00959; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 03:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 03:35:13 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-329.gate.net [199.227.131.138]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA19006; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 03:35:09 -0400 Message-ID: <39964FD1.AB88A756@gate.net> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 03:35:45 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Mak CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 References: <001c01c00492$d245cce0$ce394f0c@gos101.ml.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6F66A2B3A96472EDADAC5FAB" List-Unsubscribe: --------------6F66A2B3A96472EDADAC5FAB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit try ebay, FWIW.. but note, the 600 is out of production.. prices will fall fast.. but the T series is a better machine (as nice as the 600 was, the T has more).. and there are a lot of T serie swith 700mhz cpus that are being cleared out.. someone offered me up to 500 new T series at $2700~ today.. Donald Mak wrote: > Has anyone seen any 600's at good prices anywhere? I need to find a > newlaptop for a family member and I remember someone posted a link for > 600'sthat were being cleared out. When I search the online resellers > they all seem to be priced close to the new > T-series.... Thanks, Donald -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net --------------6F66A2B3A96472EDADAC5FAB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit try ebay, FWIW..
but note, the 600 is out of production..
prices will fall fast..
but the T series is a better machine (as nice as the 600 was, the T has more)..
and there are a lot of T serie swith 700mhz cpus that are being cleared out..
someone offered me up to 500 new T series at $2700~ today..
 

Donald Mak wrote:

Has anyone seen any 600's at good prices anywhere? I need to find a newlaptop for a family member and I remember someone posted a link for 600'sthat were being cleared out. When I search the online resellers they all seem to be priced close to the new T-series.... Thanks, Donald

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Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
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e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net
  --------------6F66A2B3A96472EDADAC5FAB-- From cph Sun Aug 13 11:58:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA25375 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:58:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10027; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:55:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09931; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsguy.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09918; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsguy.com (209.155.56.71 -> smtp.newsguy.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:55:13 -0400 Received: from BillP3800 (cx417385-b.okcnw1.ok.home.com [24.21.136.241]) by newsguy.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA85632 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 08:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008131555.IAA85632@newsguy.com> From: "Bill Fayssoux" To: "Thinkpad List" Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:54:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Bill Fayssoux" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Standard (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;1) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: T20 DVD problem? List-Unsubscribe: I have a 2547-44u T20 that I am seeing problems with the DVD also. It will play all of the Movie DVDs that I have tried and will also read all of the commercial CDs but has failed to recognize some CD-Rs and refuses to see a DVD-R that was made pprofessionally The DVD-R can be read by several other DVD drives I have access to. bill On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:11:52 -0500, Erich R. Knobil wrote: >Finally got my T20 today (2647-46U). Had lots of troubles trying to read >CDs with the (included) DVD drive. The drive just wouldn't recognize the >CDs as valid media (LED flashes bright a number of times, then dims but >continues flashing). Physically unplugging and replugging the drive and/or >re-booting seemed to help (for a while), but the problem repeated. Somehow >I got it working enough to load some apps, but then had the problem again. > >The other slimbay options are back-ordered, so I can't yet do the obvious >experiements. I just thought I'd see if anyone has seen this, and knows >what to do about it. Thanks in advance if you can help! > > -- Erich > From cph Sun Aug 13 12:59:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA25562 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:59:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12899; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:56:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12789; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12776; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (128.118.141.31 -> f04s01.cac.psu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:56:54 -0400 Received: from CACPPP (tnt2-184-130.cac.psu.edu [128.118.184.130]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA39740 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:56:52 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000813125309.00df2aa0@mail.bucknell.edu> X-Sender: findeis@mail.bucknell.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:53:10 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Findeis Subject: TP 760ED bootup time -- over a minute Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hi, My used TP 760ED (80MB RAM) powers up and shows the first screen with "ThinkPad" and the memory count within a couple of seconds, but then sits there for over a minute before going on and booting up DOS or WIN95. Is this long delay typical of a memory-loaded 760ED? Thanks much, -Pete Findeis From cph Sun Aug 13 13:11:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA25591 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:11:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13885; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:08:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAB13758; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13745; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (192.48.96.19 -> wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:08:51 -0400 Received: from cheatriver.com by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: 1Cust184.tnt1.morristown2.nj.da.uu.net [63.17.19.184]) id QQjcca07466; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:08:49 GMT Message-ID: <3996D689.AEAE6376@cheatriver.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:10:33 -0400 From: Kathe Robin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Findeis CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 760ED bootup time -- over a minute References: <3.0.32.20000813125309.00df2aa0@mail.bucknell.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My 760ED w/104MB of RAM is running Windows NT 4.0, Server Edition and it takes about a minute to go from IBM screen to the enter password screen. Max From cph Sun Aug 13 13:44:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA25673 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:44:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15641; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:41:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15519; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15506; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:41:57 -0400 Received: from iso.net ([208.154.252.65]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA63749 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:29:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <3996FA0C.5CEAE083@iso.net> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:42:05 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 760ED bootup time -- over a minute References: <3.0.32.20000813125309.00df2aa0@mail.bucknell.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Boot up is more than one happening. First the machine POST's (includes memory count) and then when it is ready to it boots the OS. So which is it for you? If it is the first then you may have a machine problem. If it is the second then it is the OS that is dragging feet. See how many apps you are loading at bootup. Better than that use TWEAKALL, TWEAKUI or some variation to not load anything at boot up and see how fast it is. Or see how fast it boots to Windows safe mode. (press F8 at bootup for a menu.) You can also check to see if Windows has device conflicts, go to Control Panel - System - Device Manager and have a look-see. Have fun. Bill Peter Findeis wrote: > Hi, > My used TP 760ED (80MB RAM) powers up and shows the first screen with > "ThinkPad" and the memory count within a couple of seconds, but then sits > there for over a minute before going on and booting up DOS or WIN95. > Is this long delay typical of a memory-loaded 760ED? > Thanks much, > -Pete Findeis From cph Sun Aug 13 13:50:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA25708 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:50:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16254; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:47:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16102; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16089; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:47:26 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-153.gate.net [207.36.212.153]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA147654; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:47:23 -0400 Message-ID: <3996DF4E.895FBD99@gate.net> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:47:58 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Findeis CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 760ED bootup time -- over a minute References: <3.0.32.20000813125309.00df2aa0@mail.bucknell.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: there is no reason it should take quite that long.. no matter if it has 104megs or 64megs.. it might be looking for an external floppy that was there when it was last shut down, or a CD that is not there.. also, be sure the bios is up to date.. run the tests in easy setup just to be sure.. and check your HDD but back up data first.. defrag and so forth.. :-) Peter Findeis wrote: > Hi, > My used TP 760ED (80MB RAM) powers up and shows the first screen with > "ThinkPad" and the memory count within a couple of seconds, but then sits > there for over a minute before going on and booting up DOS or WIN95. > Is this long delay typical of a memory-loaded 760ED? > Thanks much, > -Pete Findeis -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? From cph Sun Aug 13 14:44:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA25871 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:44:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19789; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:41:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19631; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19621; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:41:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.3 -> imo-r03.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:41:18 -0400 Received: from Kernow62@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id o.2b.95fd2c6 (618) for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2b.95fd2c6.26c845c8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:41:12 EDT Subject: 380ED battery gauge To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 List-Unsubscribe: My 380ED seems to always have 80% left on the battery gauge right up until it beeps low battery warning at which point it has 10%. I have never seen 70%, 60%, or any other percent. It has Lithium Ion battery if that matters. Any ideas, other than buying a 3 year warranty machine. ;-) snigger, snigger. Jim. From cph Sun Aug 13 20:52:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA27266 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:52:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03375; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:46:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03183; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puerco.nm.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03169; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008140046.UAA03169@cs.utk.edu> Received: from puerco.nm.org (129.121.1.22 -> puerco.nm.org) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:46:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 44144 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2000 00:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jmsthinkpad600x) (198.59.120.83) by puerco.nm.org with SMTP; 14 Aug 2000 00:46:34 -0000 From: "J. Michael Stolp" To: "Thinkpad List" Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:40:45 -0600 Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Mediamatics Update on 600X and Win2K List-Unsubscribe: I upgraded my Thinkpad 600X to Win2K. Where do I find the original Mediamatics DVD Player software, so that I can apply the update? Thanks. -- Warmest Regards. Mike J. Michael Stolp, C.P.A., Managing Partner Registered Investment Advisor Xelan Arizona-New Mexico P.O. Box 91567, 8809 Washington NE Ste 150, Albuquerque, NM 87199 8360 E. Via De Ventura, Suite L-200, Scottsdale, AZ 85258 Email mstolp@xelan.com * Homepage http://www.taxsavings.com Abq 505/856-1100 * Phx 480/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 From cph Sun Aug 13 21:16:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA27391 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:16:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04984; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:13:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04603; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04590; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:13:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:13:00 -0400 Received: from dmpollock ([12.79.18.253]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000814011259.TGHE17157.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@dmpollock> for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 01:12:59 +0000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP: P3 vs Celeron performance Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:12:45 -0400 Reply-To: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net Message-ID: <1qheps0b8aqj0pl1tgjrku2p5f3qdmfvff@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I know many of you are well experienced with TPs. Have you ever had a side by side comparison of any A20Ms with celeron vs P3s? Or any other models? What were your impressions on laptops between these mobile chips. TIA Dorothy From cph Sun Aug 13 22:09:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA27621 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:09:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08344; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:04:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08199; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08185; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:04:50 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (206-97-58-251.ip.theriver.com [206.97.58.251]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6A326113; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:04:25 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <399754A0.608BC569@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:08:32 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linux on Thinkpads Mailing Lis , Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: 2.4.0-test2 on 600E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm intersted in anyone's experiences with the this version of the 2.4.0 test Linux kernel. This kernel is required so that I can use a USB connected Zip 250 with the 'drivers' from Iomega. Private repies are requested. James Mckenzie Unsolicited e-mail, so called 'spam' is prohibited by Federal Statue. Use of the address 'os2support@theriver.com' for sending mail that the owner does not solicit will be considered a violation of this statue and can result in civil action. From cph Sun Aug 13 22:58:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA27791 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:58:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11062; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:55:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10851; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cochiti.nm.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10825; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008140255.WAA10825@cs.utk.edu> Received: from cochiti.nm.org (129.121.1.13 -> cochiti.nm.org) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:55:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 60216 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2000 02:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jmsthinkpad600x) (198.59.120.83) by cochiti.nm.org with SMTP; 14 Aug 2000 02:55:20 -0000 From: "J. Michael Stolp" To: "Thinkpad List" , "pencetera@yahoo.com" Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:50:25 -0600 Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;1) In-Reply-To: <20000814005957.22293.rocketmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Mediamatics Update on 600X and Win2K List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Pencetera wrote: >Mike, > >Should you locate this software I'd be most grateful >if you could let me know where and how as I have not >been able to get it for my 770. > >cheers, >Mike B. Mike, It is on the Software Selections CD - had a click around on it a while to find it. It installed OK, and the update installed OK. -- Warmest Regards. Mike From cph Sun Aug 13 22:58:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA27792 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:58:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11066; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:55:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10850; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cochiti.nm.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10824; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008140255.WAA10824@cs.utk.edu> Received: from cochiti.nm.org (129.121.1.13 -> cochiti.nm.org) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:55:20 -0400 Received: (qmail 22578 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2000 02:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jmsthinkpad600x) (198.59.120.83) by cochiti.nm.org with SMTP; 14 Aug 2000 02:55:19 -0000 From: "J. Michael Stolp" To: "R Briganti" , "Thinkpad List" Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:49:29 -0600 Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Mediamatics Update on 600X and Win2K List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:10:18 -0400, R Briganti wrote: >I think it's on the CD marked "options" or something like >that. You need to download the update from IBM's site but >need to install the original program for the update to >install. You are right - it is on the Software Selections CD - had a click around on it a while to find it. It installed OK, and the update installed OK. >I had a problem with W2K and DVD. The secondary IDE >controller was set to PIO only by W2K and I could not >find the problem for the poor DVD performance, even after >I called IBM. I set the secondary IDE to DMA if available >and it now works fine. Have not yet tested the performance as I need to buy a DVD-rom. Thanks for the heads up to the location of Mediamatics DVD player. -- Warmest Regards. Mike From cph Mon Aug 14 11:43:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA31034 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:43:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26045; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:39:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25818; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25805; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (216.101.175.230 -> smtp.innovisions.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:39:40 -0400 Received: by mailsf.innoventry.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:36:37 -0700 Message-ID: <818E2295B394D211BF1B0008C709553E01DCC02A@mailsf.innoventry.com> From: Mitchell Yee To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: FS: 750/755 Battery Kit Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:36:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: FS: 755/760 NiMH battery Kit (NEW), $30 My odds-and-end IBM equipment vendor accidently sold me this new battery kit. It contains: 1. New (factory sealed) NiMH battery (FRU 66G2820) The battery fits the 750, 750C, 750P, 755, 755C, 755CS. 2. AC adapter (49G2143) 3. 3 Trackpoint tips (smooth) 4. A replacement cover for the PCMCIA slots. It's not worth returning to my vendor since my cost (and your cost) is $25. Add $7.50 for shipping via priority mail. Just take this off my hands, please. BTW: The battery alone sells for $129 new (Pricewatch) or $69 on EBay. email to: myee@innoventry.com thanks, Mitchell From cph Mon Aug 14 11:49:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA31077 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:49:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26977; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:46:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26828; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26814; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (216.101.175.230 -> smtp.innovisions.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:46:42 -0400 Received: by mailsf.innoventry.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:43:39 -0700 Message-ID: <818E2295B394D211BF1B0008C709553E01DCC02B@mailsf.innoventry.com> From: Mitchell Yee To: "'Pat Presidente'" , Carol Pease , Thinkpad Users Subject: RE: A20P dual boot Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:43:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Remember that W9x are legacy OSes that have their roots from the old DOS world. This means that a W9x OS must be loaded >from the C drive. The use of C as the starting drive being the 3rd logical disk device since A and B used to be reserved for floppy drives from the old PC/XT days. This means that if you have W2000/WNT already loaded on the C drive and you want to install W98, you are pretty much stuck with blowing away W2000/WNT. If you are fortunate enough to have W2000/WNT already loaded on another logical drive, then you "merely" have to set up a C drive partition (and make it active). Mitchell -----Original Message----- From: Pat Presidente [mailto:pat.presidente@sd72.bc.ca] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 11:04 PM To: Carol Pease; Thinkpad Users Subject: RE: A20P dual boot Hi Carol; I have a 570 that dual boots to 98 and 2000. I had 98 installed and added 2000 - the reverse of your situation. I have since blown away and re-installed 98 a number of times, retaining my 2000 partition. My only concern is I think I recall hearing somewhere that 98 likes to be on the 1st parttion - could be wrong though. Perhaps someone can answer that. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Carol Pease [mailto:Carol@CarolPease.com] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:48 PM To: Thinkpad Users Subject: A20P dual boot I have an A20P with Win2k as a preload. I have one program that will not run and must be installed under Windows 98. Has anyone done a dual-boot installation without having to reformat the hard drive and start with Win98. Time is very important to me and I need to get this done quickly. Any suggestions? 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0060B.082883F6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Actually, that's not the case. With NT/2000 installed, just install W98 and let it install to its own directory on the C drive and let it blow away the boot partition. At this point, your machine will only boot to W98. After that is complete, just do a "Repair" install on NT/2000 and let it re-write the boot sector. When the repair runs, it will detect W98 and create a boot.ini option for W98 as well as NT/2000. You then have the ability to boot either OS. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Mitchell Yee [mailto:myee@innoventry.com] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 10:44 AM To: 'Pat Presidente'; Carol Pease; Thinkpad Users Subject: RE: A20P dual boot Remember that W9x are legacy OSes that have their roots from the old DOS world. This means that a W9x OS must be loaded >from the C drive. The use of C as the starting drive being the 3rd logical disk device since A and B used to be reserved for floppy drives from the old PC/XT days. This means that if you have W2000/WNT already loaded on the C drive and you want to install W98, you are pretty much stuck with blowing away W2000/WNT. If you are fortunate enough to have W2000/WNT already loaded on another logical drive, then you "merely" have to set up a C drive partition (and make it active). Mitchell -----Original Message----- From: Pat Presidente [mailto:pat.presidente@sd72.bc.ca] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 11:04 PM To: Carol Pease; Thinkpad Users Subject: RE: A20P dual boot Hi Carol; I have a 570 that dual boots to 98 and 2000. I had 98 installed and added 2000 - the reverse of your situation. I have since blown away and re-installed 98 a number of times, retaining my 2000 partition. My only concern is I think I recall hearing somewhere that 98 likes to be on the 1st parttion - could be wrong though. Perhaps someone can answer that. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Carol Pease [mailto:Carol@CarolPease.com] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:48 PM To: Thinkpad Users Subject: A20P dual boot I have an A20P with Win2k as a preload. I have one program that will not run and must be installed under Windows 98. Has anyone done a dual-boot installation without having to reformat the hard drive and start with Win98. Time is very important to me and I need to get this done quickly. Any suggestions? Carol Pease ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ROCKFORD'S TOP-PRODUCING ON-LINE AGENT! -------------------------------------------- Carol Pease, ABR | Office: 815-395-6873 Whitehead, Inc Realtors |Home: 815-282-8721 5100 E State St | Toll Free: 888-478-4910 Rockford, IL 61108 | Fax: 815-229-0320 mailto:Carol@carolpease.com http://www.CarolPease.com ******************************************** "An Allen F. Hainge Cyberstar" (tm) ============================================ Proud member of the E-Pro 500 ============================================ Licensed in the State of Illinois ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0060B.082883F6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: A20P dual boot

Actually, that's not the case. With NT/2000 = installed, just install W98 and let it install to its own directory on = the C drive and let it blow away the boot partition. At this point, = your machine will only boot to W98.

After that is complete, just do a "Repair" = install on NT/2000 and let it re-write the boot sector. When the repair = runs, it will detect W98 and create a boot.ini option for W98 as well = as NT/2000. You then have the ability to boot either OS.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitchell Yee [mailto:myee@innoventry.com]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 10:44 AM
To: 'Pat Presidente'; Carol Pease; Thinkpad = Users
Subject: RE: A20P dual boot


Remember that W9x are legacy OSes that have their = roots from
the old DOS world.  This means that a W9x OS = must be loaded
from the C drive.  The use of C as the starting = drive being the
3rd logical disk device since A and B used to be = reserved for
floppy drives from the old PC/XT days.
 
This means that if you have W2000/WNT already loaded = on the
C drive and you want to install W98, you are pretty = much stuck
with blowing away W2000/WNT.  If you are = fortunate enough
to have W2000/WNT already loaded on another logical = drive,
then you "merely" have to set up a C drive = partition (and make it active).
 
Mitchell

-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Presidente [mailto:pat.presidente@sd72.bc.= ca]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 11:04 PM
To: Carol Pease; Thinkpad Users
Subject: RE: A20P dual boot


Hi Carol;
 
I have a 570 that dual boots to 98 and 2000.
I had 98 installed and added 2000 - the reverse of = your situation.  I have
since blown away and re-installed 98 a number of = times, retaining my 2000
partition.  My only concern is I think I recall = hearing somewhere that 98
likes to be on the 1st parttion - could be wrong = though.  Perhaps someone
can answer that.
 
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Pease [mailto:Carol@CarolPease.com]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:48 PM
To: Thinkpad Users
Subject: A20P dual boot


I have an A20P with Win2k as a preload.  I have = one program that will not
run and must be installed under Windows 98.  = Has anyone done a dual-boot
installation without having to reformat the hard = drive and start with Win98.
Time is very important to me and I need to get this = done quickly.   Any
suggestions? 
 
Carol Pease
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ROCKFORD'S TOP-PRODUCING ON-LINE AGENT!
--------------------------------------------
Carol Pease, ABR    |  = Office:  815-395-6873
Whitehead, Inc Realtors |Home:  = 815-282-8721
5100 E State St   | Toll Free:  = 888-478-4910
Rockford, IL  61108  |    = Fax:  815-229-0320
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http://www.CarolPease.com <http://www.CarolPease.com>
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0060B.082883F6-- From cph Mon Aug 14 12:21:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA31325 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:21:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00173; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:18:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29962; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29948; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:18:51 -0400 Received: by porkchop.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:20:19 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: Greg Langham , "'Mitchell Yee'" , "'Pat Presidente'" , Carol Pease , Thinkpad Users Subject: RE: A20P dual boot Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:20:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0060B.892CA428" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0060B.892CA428 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Actually, I made one mistake. W98 won't blow away to the boot *partition* - it will blow away to boot sector. Then when the Repair install for NT/2000 is run, it will re-write the boot sector. Sorry for the confusion. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Greg Langham [mailto:greg@psnet.net] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 11:17 AM To: 'Mitchell Yee'; 'Pat Presidente'; Carol Pease; Thinkpad Users Subject: RE: A20P dual boot Actually, that's not the case. With NT/2000 installed, just install W98 and let it install to its own directory on the C drive and let it blow away the boot partition. At this point, your machine will only boot to W98. After that is complete, just do a "Repair" install on NT/2000 and let it re-write the boot sector. When the repair runs, it will detect W98 and create a boot.ini option for W98 as well as NT/2000. You then have the ability to boot either OS. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Mitchell Yee [ mailto:myee@innoventry.com ] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 10:44 AM To: 'Pat Presidente'; Carol Pease; Thinkpad Users Subject: RE: A20P dual boot Remember that W9x are legacy OSes that have their roots from the old DOS world. This means that a W9x OS must be loaded >from the C drive. The use of C as the starting drive being the 3rd logical disk device since A and B used to be reserved for floppy drives from the old PC/XT days. This means that if you have W2000/WNT already loaded on the C drive and you want to install W98, you are pretty much stuck with blowing away W2000/WNT. If you are fortunate enough to have W2000/WNT already loaded on another logical drive, then you "merely" have to set up a C drive partition (and make it active). Mitchell -----Original Message----- From: Pat Presidente [ mailto:pat.presidente@sd72.bc.ca ] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 11:04 PM To: Carol Pease; Thinkpad Users Subject: RE: A20P dual boot Hi Carol; I have a 570 that dual boots to 98 and 2000. I had 98 installed and added 2000 - the reverse of your situation. I have since blown away and re-installed 98 a number of times, retaining my 2000 partition. My only concern is I think I recall hearing somewhere that 98 likes to be on the 1st parttion - could be wrong though. Perhaps someone can answer that. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Carol Pease [ mailto:Carol@CarolPease.com ] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:48 PM To: Thinkpad Users Subject: A20P dual boot I have an A20P with Win2k as a preload. I have one program that will not run and must be installed under Windows 98. Has anyone done a dual-boot installation without having to reformat the hard drive and start with Win98. Time is very important to me and I need to get this done quickly. Any suggestions? Carol Pease ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ROCKFORD'S TOP-PRODUCING ON-LINE AGENT! -------------------------------------------- Carol Pease, ABR | Office: 815-395-6873 Whitehead, Inc Realtors |Home: 815-282-8721 5100 E State St | Toll Free: 888-478-4910 Rockford, IL 61108 | Fax: 815-229-0320 mailto:Carol@carolpease.com < mailto:Carol@carolpease.com > http://www.CarolPease.com < http://www.CarolPease.com > ******************************************** "An Allen F. Hainge Cyberstar" (tm) ============================================ Proud member of the E-Pro 500 ============================================ Licensed in the State of Illinois ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0060B.892CA428 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: A20P dual boot
Actually, I made one mistake. W98 won't blow away to the boot *partition* - it will blow away to boot sector. Then when the Repair install for NT/2000 is run, it will re-write the boot sector.
 
Sorry for the confusion.
 
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Langham [mailto:greg@psnet.net]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 11:17 AM
To: 'Mitchell Yee'; 'Pat Presidente'; Carol Pease; Thinkpad Users
Subject: RE: A20P dual boot

Actually, that's not the case. With NT/2000 installed, just install W98 and let it install to its own directory on the C drive and let it blow away the boot partition. At this point, your machine will only boot to W98.

After that is complete, just do a "Repair" install on NT/2000 and let it re-write the boot sector. When the repair runs, it will detect W98 and create a boot.ini option for W98 as well as NT/2000. You then have the ability to boot either OS.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitchell Yee [mailto:myee@innoventry.com]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 10:44 AM
To: 'Pat Presidente'; Carol Pease; Thinkpad Users
Subject: RE: A20P dual boot


Remember that W9x are legacy OSes that have their roots from
the old DOS world.  This means that a W9x OS must be loaded
from the C drive.  The use of C as the starting drive being the
3rd logical disk device since A and B used to be reserved for
floppy drives from the old PC/XT days.
 
This means that if you have W2000/WNT already loaded on the
C drive and you want to install W98, you are pretty much stuck
with blowing away W2000/WNT.  If you are fortunate enough
to have W2000/WNT already loaded on another logical drive,
then you "merely" have to set up a C drive partition (and make it active).
 
Mitchell

-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Presidente [mailto:pat.presidente@sd72.bc.ca]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 11:04 PM
To: Carol Pease; Thinkpad Users
Subject: RE: A20P dual boot


Hi Carol;
 
I have a 570 that dual boots to 98 and 2000.
I had 98 installed and added 2000 - the reverse of your situation.  I have
since blown away and re-installed 98 a number of times, retaining my 2000
partition.  My only concern is I think I recall hearing somewhere that 98
likes to be on the 1st parttion - could be wrong though.  Perhaps someone
can answer that.
 
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Pease [mailto:Carol@CarolPease.com]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:48 PM
To: Thinkpad Users
Subject: A20P dual boot


I have an A20P with Win2k as a preload.  I have one program that will not
run and must be installed under Windows 98.  Has anyone done a dual-boot
installation without having to reformat the hard drive and start with Win98.
Time is very important to me and I need to get this done quickly.   Any
suggestions? 
 
Carol Pease
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ROCKFORD'S TOP-PRODUCING ON-LINE AGENT!
--------------------------------------------
Carol Pease, ABR    |  Office:  815-395-6873
Whitehead, Inc Realtors |Home:  815-282-8721
5100 E State St   | Toll Free:  888-478-4910
Rockford, IL  61108  |    Fax:  815-229-0320
mailto:Carol@carolpease.com <mailto:Carol@carolpease.com>
http://www.CarolPease.com <http://www.CarolPease.com>
********************************************
"An Allen F. Hainge Cyberstar" (tm)
============================================
Proud member of the E-Pro 500
============================================
Licensed in the State of Illinois
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0060B.892CA428-- From cph Mon Aug 14 13:19:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA31834 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:19:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04786; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:16:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04541; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04496; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (216.101.175.230 -> smtp.innovisions.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:15:58 -0400 Received: by mailsf.innoventry.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:12:46 -0700 Message-ID: <818E2295B394D211BF1B0008C709553E01DCC034@mailsf.innoventry.com> From: Mitchell Yee To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: re: FS: 750/755 Battery Kit Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:12:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: it's sold. thanks for your emails. From cph Mon Aug 14 15:28:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA32550 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:28:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15395; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:22:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15209; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15194; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (192.160.13.1 -> bolero.rahul.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:22:26 -0400 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA15087 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:22:24 -0700 Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by bolero.rahul.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DAA8E97007 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15076 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2000 19:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO NewPad) (209.10.200.194) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 14 Aug 2000 19:22:22 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Carol Pease" , "Thinkpad Users" Subject: RE: A20P dual boot Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:22:22 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <015601c00418$6d4d42c0$686b53d1@ACAROL3> List-Unsubscribe: > I have an A20P with Win2k as a preload. I have one program that > will not run and must be installed under Windows 98. Has anyone > done a dual-boot installation without having to reformat the hard > drive and start with Win98. Time is very important to me and I > need to get this done quickly. Any suggestions? This advice may be a little late, but I'd suggest using VMware. You can run Windows 98 right inside Windows 2000, so your special Win98 app can run alongside your other apps, no rebooting required. VMware is at: www.vmware.com and they have a 30-day free trial. -Mike From cph Mon Aug 14 22:52:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA02476 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:52:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17698; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:47:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17296; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cochiti.nm.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17282; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008150247.WAA17282@cs.utk.edu> Received: from cochiti.nm.org (129.121.1.13 -> cochiti.nm.org) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:47:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 41216 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2000 02:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (198.59.120.83) by cochiti.nm.org with SMTP; 15 Aug 2000 02:47:53 -0000 From: "J. Michael Stolp" To: "Thinkpad List" , "R Briganti" Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:42:33 -0600 (MDT) Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <018701c00594$caeafb70$0d00a8c0@dec5200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Mediamatics Update on 600X and Win2K List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:10:18 -0400, R Briganti wrote: >I had a problem with W2K and DVD. The secondary IDE controller >was set to PIO only by W2K and I could not find the problem for >the poor DVD performance, even after I called IBM. I set the >secondary IDE to DMA if available and it now works fine. These suggestions did help the performance, but there is still a lot of fuzziness and distortion. Any other suggestions? Thanks. -- Warmest Regards. Mike From cph Mon Aug 14 23:15:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA02620 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:15:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19366; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:12:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19160; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19147; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:12:15 -0400 Received: from 209-122-243-91.s91.tnt1.hlb.nj.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.243.91] helo=ppro) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13OX9B-00026q-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:12:14 -0400 Received: by ppro (VPOP3) with SMTP; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:12:22 -0400 Message-ID: <036a01c00666$9299d5c0$0d00a8c0@dec5200> From: "R Briganti" To: "Thinkpad List" References: <200008150247.WAA17282@cs.utk.edu> Subject: HELP! TP600 Keycap problem Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:11:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0b - Registered to: Belle Mead Claims List-Unsubscribe: I got pretzel crumbs under the space bar and left alt key of my TP600. To clean up the mess, I took off the keys caps and now I have little white plastic parts and can't get the caps back on properly. This keyboard is quite different than any other I've encountered. Did I wreck the keyboard or is there some way to fix the caps? Next time I'll try not to make such a mess. Bob From cph Mon Aug 14 23:31:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA02672 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:31:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20966; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:28:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20782; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cochiti.nm.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20749; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008150328.XAA20749@cs.utk.edu> Received: from cochiti.nm.org (129.121.1.13 -> cochiti.nm.org) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:28:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 40820 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2000 03:28:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jmsthinkpad600x) (198.59.120.83) by cochiti.nm.org with SMTP; 15 Aug 2000 03:28:10 -0000 From: "J. Michael Stolp" To: "Thinkpad List" , "R Briganti" Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:23:16 -0600 Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;1) In-Reply-To: <036301c00665$fb91e500$0d00a8c0@dec5200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Mediamatics Update on 600X and Win2K List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:07:44 -0400, R Briganti wrote: >What IRQ is your bay set to? Mine is set to 15. Check yours >and see if it makes any difference. > >On a 600X I would not think that there would be any fuzziness >and distortion. My 770ED is a lot slower CPU and since I fixed >the problem it plays fine. > >Also, how much memory do you have installed? I think I have >196MB on the 770ED. > The IRQ appears to be 15. The video's appearance seems to be in constant fast forward. The audio sounds fine. I have 320K ram installed. -- Mike From cph Tue Aug 15 01:32:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA03142 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:32:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26612; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:28:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26447; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26434; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:28:20 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-261.gate.net [199.227.131.70]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA61818; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:28:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3998D506.41211F4F@gate.net> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:28:38 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Langham CC: "'Mitchell Yee'" , "'Pat Presidente'" , Carol Pease , Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: A20P dual boot References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Greg.. THIS one i'm going to try..!! :-) Greg Langham wrote: > > > Actually, that's not the case. With NT/2000 installed, just install > W98 and let it install to its own directory on the C drive and let it > blow away the boot partition. At this point, your machine will only > boot to W98. > > After that is complete, just do a "Repair" install on NT/2000 and let > it re-write the boot sector. When the repair runs, it will detect W98 > and create a boot.ini option for W98 as well as NT/2000. You then have > the ability to boot either OS. > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mitchell Yee [mailto:myee@innoventry.com] > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 10:44 AM > To: 'Pat Presidente'; Carol Pease; Thinkpad Users > Subject: RE: A20P dual boot > > Remember that W9x are legacy OSes that have their roots from > the old DOS world. This means that a W9x OS must be loaded > from the C drive. The use of C as the starting drive being the > 3rd logical disk device since A and B used to be reserved for > floppy drives from the old PC/XT days. > > This means that if you have W2000/WNT already loaded on the > C drive and you want to install W98, you are pretty much stuck > with blowing away W2000/WNT. If you are fortunate enough > to have W2000/WNT already loaded on another logical drive, > then you "merely" have to set up a C drive partition (and make it > active). > > Mitchell > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Presidente [mailto:pat.presidente@sd72.bc.ca] > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 11:04 PM > To: Carol Pease; Thinkpad Users > Subject: RE: A20P dual boot > > Hi Carol; > > I have a 570 that dual boots to 98 and 2000. > I had 98 installed and added 2000 - the reverse of your situation. I > have > since blown away and re-installed 98 a number of times, retaining my > 2000 > partition. My only concern is I think I recall hearing somewhere that > 98 > likes to be on the 1st parttion - could be wrong though. Perhaps > someone > can answer that. > > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Pease [mailto:Carol@CarolPease.com] > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:48 PM > To: Thinkpad Users > Subject: A20P dual boot > > I have an A20P with Win2k as a preload. I have one program that will > not > run and must be installed under Windows 98. Has anyone done a > dual-boot > installation without having to reformat the hard drive and start with > Win98. > Time is very important to me and I need to get this done quickly. > Any > suggestions? > > Carol Pease > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ROCKFORD'S TOP-PRODUCING ON-LINE AGENT! > -------------------------------------------- > Carol Pease, ABR | Office: 815-395-6873 > Whitehead, Inc Realtors |Home: 815-282-8721 > 5100 E State St | Toll Free: 888-478-4910 > Rockford, IL 61108 | Fax: 815-229-0320 > mailto:Carol@carolpease.com > http://www.CarolPease.com > ******************************************** > "An Allen F. Hainge Cyberstar" (tm) > ============================================ > Proud member of the E-Pro 500 > ============================================ > Licensed in the State of Illinois > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Tue Aug 15 01:39:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA03154 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:39:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27771; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:35:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27513; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27498; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:35:51 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-261.gate.net [199.227.131.70]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA39240; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:35:45 -0400 Message-ID: <3998D6D5.9A347D38@gate.net> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:36:21 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: Carol Pease , Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: A20P dual boot References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mike... $200 is a bit steep.. no..?? Michael Geary wrote: > > I have an A20P with Win2k as a preload. I have one program that > > will not run and must be installed under Windows 98. Has anyone > > done a dual-boot installation without having to reformat the hard > > drive and start with Win98. Time is very important to me and I > > need to get this done quickly. Any suggestions? > > This advice may be a little late, but I'd suggest using VMware. You can run > Windows 98 right inside Windows 2000, so your special Win98 app can run > alongside your other apps, no rebooting required. VMware is at: > > www.vmware.com > > and they have a 30-day free trial. > > -Mike -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Tue Aug 15 01:42:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA03164 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:42:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28260; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:39:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28093; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28080; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:39:02 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-261.gate.net [199.227.131.70]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16360; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:38:58 -0400 Message-ID: <3998D796.9BFD3C0A@gate.net> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:39:34 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: R Briganti CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: HELP! TP600 Keycap problem References: <200008150247.WAA17282@cs.utk.edu> <036a01c00666$9299d5c0$0d00a8c0@dec5200> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the little white parts comprise a scissors mechanism.. when you reassemble the two parts into an "X", the part with the ears goes on the keyboard along with its "twin" so that it works freely.. then the keytop will snap down onto this scissors mechanism.. if you are careful, you can remove a functioning keytop and note how the "whole" works.. R Briganti wrote: > I got pretzel crumbs under the space bar and left alt key of my TP600. To > clean up the mess, I took off the keys caps and now I have little white > plastic parts and can't get the caps back on properly. This keyboard is > quite different than any other I've encountered. > > Did I wreck the keyboard or is there some way to fix the caps? > > Next time I'll try not to make such a mess. > > Bob -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Tue Aug 15 01:45:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA03180 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:45:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28696; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:41:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28494; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28481; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:41:55 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-261.gate.net [199.227.131.70]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA91720 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:41:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3998D846.FBCE804B@gate.net> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:42:30 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: A20P dual boot References: <3998D6D5.9A347D38@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: YIKES.. its $299..! Bill Morrow wrote: > Mike... > > $200 is a bit steep.. no..?? > > Michael Geary wrote: > > > > I have an A20P with Win2k as a preload. I have one program that > > > will not run and must be installed under Windows 98. Has anyone > > > done a dual-boot installation without having to reformat the hard > > > drive and start with Win98. Time is very important to me and I > > > need to get this done quickly. Any suggestions? > > > > This advice may be a little late, but I'd suggest using VMware. You can run > > Windows 98 right inside Windows 2000, so your special Win98 app can run > > alongside your other apps, no rebooting required. VMware is at: > > > > www.vmware.com > > > > and they have a 30-day free trial. > > > > -Mike > > -- > --- > > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > sic transit gloria -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Tue Aug 15 02:08:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA03225 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 02:08:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00341; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 02:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 02:03:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00226; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 02:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web214.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00199; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 02:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web214.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.114 -> web214.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 02:03:44 -0400 Received: (qmail 26233 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2000 06:03:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20000815060342.26232.qmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.196.30] by web214.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:03:42 PDT Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:03:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Pencetera Reply-To: pencetera@yahoo.com Subject: Thinkpad 770 Software Selections CD To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id CAA00341 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA03226 Anyone have one of these for sale? I need one for my base 770, I added the dvd drive and mpeg decoder and need the mediatrix dvd player. Let me know and thanks. Mike B. ===== http://www.pencetera.com - "For those who want to do it write" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Tue Aug 15 10:27:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA04791 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:27:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29706; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:18:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29379; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29366; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net (38.9.152.2 -> relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:18:25 -0400 Received: from [206.5.165.109] (helo=GREGORYZEQXR4X) by relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13OhXq-0002fQ-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:18:22 -0400 From: "Gregory Harris" To: Subject: Re: A20 Dual Boot Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:18:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c006c3$c09fa050$6da505ce@valuespeed.clom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Bill, if you look a little further down the page, you'll see prices for Hobbyist/Student at $99. I agree with the recommendation, VMWare is extremely useful! Cheers, Greg Harris (770X 13.7/320/25/Win2K + Caldera Open Linux 2.4 via VMWare) YIKES.. its $299..! Bill Morrow wrote: > Mike... > > $200 is a bit steep.. no..?? > > Michael Geary wrote: > > > > I have an A20P with Win2k as a preload. I have one program that > > > will not run and must be installed under Windows 98. Has anyone > > > done a dual-boot installation without having to reformat the hard > > > drive and start with Win98. Time is very important to me and I > > > need to get this done quickly. Any suggestions? > > > > This advice may be a little late, but I'd suggest using VMware. You can run > > Windows 98 right inside Windows 2000, so your special Win98 app can run > > alongside your other apps, no rebooting required. VMware is at: > > > > www.vmware.com > > > > and they have a 30-day free trial. > > > > -Mike > > -- > --- > > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > sic transit gloria -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Tue Aug 15 11:20:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA05073 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:20:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04307; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:08:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03633; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03618; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (207.181.194.95 -> atlas.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:08:22 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by atlas.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA54867; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BlackBird (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA72411; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <020501c006cb$089eb380$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , "Thinkpad Users" References: <3998D6D5.9A347D38@gate.net> <3998D846.FBCE804B@gate.net> Subject: Re: VMWare (was A20P dual boot) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:11:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: They do have a "hobbyist' price for $99 but the legal agreement is fairly restrictive. You could go ahead and fib but I don't like to. I asked them over email, if they had any special offer codes, that would give me a discount from the $300 level but they did not respond. Does anyone else have a VMWare discount code? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morrow" To: "Thinkpad Users" Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 10:42 PM Subject: Re: A20P dual boot > YIKES.. > its $299..! > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > Mike... > > > > $200 is a bit steep.. no..?? > > > > Michael Geary wrote: > > > > > > I have an A20P with Win2k as a preload. I have one program that > > > > will not run and must be installed under Windows 98. Has anyone > > > > done a dual-boot installation without having to reformat the hard > > > > drive and start with Win98. Time is very important to me and I > > > > need to get this done quickly. Any suggestions? > > > > > > This advice may be a little late, but I'd suggest using VMware. You can run > > > Windows 98 right inside Windows 2000, so your special Win98 app can run > > > alongside your other apps, no rebooting required. VMware is at: > > > > > > www.vmware.com > > > > > > and they have a 30-day free trial. > > > > > > -Mike > > > > -- > > --- > > > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > > sic transit gloria > > -- > --- > > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > sic transit gloria > > > From cph Tue Aug 15 12:04:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA05314 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:04:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08709; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:59:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08345; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08330; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:59:23 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA19775; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:59:21 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA23301; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000815083912.026efde0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:59:08 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: VMWare (was A20P dual boot) In-Reply-To: <020501c006cb$089eb380$0311a8c0@detayls.com> References: <3998D6D5.9A347D38@gate.net> <3998D846.FBCE804B@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:11 AM 8/15/2000 -0700, you wrote: >They do have a "hobbyist' price for $99 but the legal agreement is fairly >restrictive. By the way, I just looked at the page, and the reduced price you mention is $129 if you want the actual package. $99 is the download-only price. >You could go ahead and fib but I don't like to. > >I asked them over email, if they had any special offer codes, that would >give me a discount from the $300 level but they did not respond. > >Does anyone else have a VMWare discount code? Let me get this straight...you don't like to fib, but you're perfectly willing to use a "borrowed" discount code that may not actually apply to your situation? That's some pretty selective ethics you've got there! More to the point (General list question), has anyone actually *used* VMWare? What are your impressions? Is it slow? Seemless? Any comments? From cph Tue Aug 15 12:07:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA05348 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:07:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09256; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:03:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09044; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.ne.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09022; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.ne.home.com (24.2.4.66 -> ha1.rdc1.ne.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:03:00 -0400 Received: from unity.ncsu.edu ([24.10.242.86]) by mail.rdc1.ne.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000815160259.BBWC17075.mail.rdc1.ne.home.com@unity.ncsu.edu>; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:02:59 -0700 Sender: amgoldst@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <399969B3.A65284B0@unity.ncsu.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:02:59 -0400 From: andy goldstein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: VMWare (was A20P dual boot) References: <3998D6D5.9A347D38@gate.net> <3998D846.FBCE804B@gate.net> <4.2.0.58.20000815083912.026efde0@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I used an older version about 1.5 years ago in Linux to get it to boot Win98 on a P2/400/128MB. It was slower than molasses. I've heard the newer versions are better. Andy Randal Whittle wrote: > At 08:11 AM 8/15/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >They do have a "hobbyist' price for $99 but the legal agreement is fairly > >restrictive. > > By the way, I just looked at the page, and the reduced price you > mention is $129 if you want the actual package. $99 is the download-only > price. > > >You could go ahead and fib but I don't like to. > > > >I asked them over email, if they had any special offer codes, that would > >give me a discount from the $300 level but they did not respond. > > > >Does anyone else have a VMWare discount code? > > Let me get this straight...you don't like to fib, but you're > perfectly willing to use a "borrowed" discount code that may not actually > apply to your situation? > > That's some pretty selective ethics you've got there! > > More to the point (General list question), has anyone actually > *used* VMWare? What are your impressions? Is it slow? Seemless? Any > comments? From cph Tue Aug 15 12:39:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA05620 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:39:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12264; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:34:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12084; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12071; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (207.181.194.97 -> oberon.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:34:17 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by oberon.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01774; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BlackBird (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA16241; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <02a501c006d7$08db9f00$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" References: <3998D6D5.9A347D38@gate.net> <3998D846.FBCE804B@gate.net> <4.2.0.58.20000815083912.026efde0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: VMWare (was A20P dual boot) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:36:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Selective ethics! I spoke to the VMWare salesperson on the phone and she told me that they hand out discount codes like candy at trade shows. When I suggested that I had recently been to JavaOne and had missed their booth, she declined to get me a code. So I declined to buy their product. $300 is too high but I am a developer and would be using the product for "work." I simply dual boot instead. David p.s. this is a good way to get yourself removed from their "bug 'em all the time" phone list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randal Whittle" To: "TP List" Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 8:59 AM Subject: Re: VMWare (was A20P dual boot) > At 08:11 AM 8/15/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >They do have a "hobbyist' price for $99 but the legal agreement is fairly > >restrictive. > > By the way, I just looked at the page, and the reduced price you > mention is $129 if you want the actual package. $99 is the download-only > price. > > >You could go ahead and fib but I don't like to. > > > >I asked them over email, if they had any special offer codes, that would > >give me a discount from the $300 level but they did not respond. > > > >Does anyone else have a VMWare discount code? > > Let me get this straight...you don't like to fib, but you're > perfectly willing to use a "borrowed" discount code that may not actually > apply to your situation? > > That's some pretty selective ethics you've got there! > > More to the point (General list question), has anyone actually > *used* VMWare? What are your impressions? Is it slow? Seemless? Any > comments? > > From cph Tue Aug 15 12:44:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA05655 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:44:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13229; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:40:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13061; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13048; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:40:44 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA49326; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BlackBird (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA16642; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <02a901c006d7$ef4b7910$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" References: <3998D6D5.9A347D38@gate.net> <3998D846.FBCE804B@gate.net> <4.2.0.58.20000815083912.026efde0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: VMWare (was A20P dual boot) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:43:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I should point out, Randal, that I am a software developer and that I earn my crust by developing software for others to use. I try my best to pay for software, where I can, for that reason and actively avoid piracy or other illegal practices. That doesn't somehow stop the "shopper" part of my brain from trying to get a deal. The "deal" part of software distribution is a fact of commercial life and I figure it is fair game to take advantage of all the crazy schemes that the developers pay the marketing folks to come up with. It's a big game. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randal Whittle" To: "TP List" Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 8:59 AM Subject: Re: VMWare (was A20P dual boot) > At 08:11 AM 8/15/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >They do have a "hobbyist' price for $99 but the legal agreement is fairly > >restrictive. > > By the way, I just looked at the page, and the reduced price you > mention is $129 if you want the actual package. $99 is the download-only > price. > > >You could go ahead and fib but I don't like to. > > > >I asked them over email, if they had any special offer codes, that would > >give me a discount from the $300 level but they did not respond. > > > >Does anyone else have a VMWare discount code? > > Let me get this straight...you don't like to fib, but you're > perfectly willing to use a "borrowed" discount code that may not actually > apply to your situation? > > That's some pretty selective ethics you've got there! > > More to the point (General list question), has anyone actually > *used* VMWare? What are your impressions? Is it slow? Seemless? Any > comments? > > From cph Tue Aug 15 14:37:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA06231 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:37:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23968; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:32:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23519; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23505; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:32:39 -0400 Received: from zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id e7FIWcL05682; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) id e7FIWb515388; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Subject: Re: VMWare (was A20P dual boot) References: <3998D6D5.9A347D38@gate.net> <3998D846.FBCE804B@gate.net> <4.2.0.58.20000815083912.026efde0@127.0.0.1> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 15 Aug 2000 14:32:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: Randal Whittle's message of "Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:59:08 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: Randal Whittle writes: > More to the point (General list question), has anyone actually > *used* VMWare? What are your impressions? Is it slow? Seemless? Any > comments? Yes, I use it regularly. I have a dual boot TP570 (2000/Linux). VMware lets me get at the second partition while the first one is running, a very, very handy thing. It is slower than running Linux natively, but not terribly so. Mostly, it works as advertised, and works really well. I especially like the work they did to make Linux's X setup boot properly depending on whether it is booting in VMware or outside of it. The only problems I've had so far surround the use of Linux networking >from within the virtual machine. This is probably complicated by the fact that I swap in 3 different network cards, depending on the situation. I suspect I just need to sit down and work the issues out, but I haven't had the time to do so yet. Peace, dNb From cph Tue Aug 15 15:35:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA06520 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:35:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29445; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:32:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29180; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29166; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (142.90.106.106 -> andrew1.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:32:32 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e7FJWUX17740 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu.AVP; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:32:30 -0700 Received: from sfupc (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7FJWS017734 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:32:29 -0700 Message-ID: <006001c006ee$e531c080$03785a8e@triumf.ca> From: "peter machule" To: "thinkpad" Subject: Thinkpad 600X P3-650 2645-9FU for $3K Canadian......cheap ;-} Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:27:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: IBM CANADA 800-465-7748 $2999 CAN plus taxes 1800 available ....peter.... From cph Tue Aug 15 16:02:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA06638 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:02:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01969; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:54:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01790; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01777; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:54:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (jeffj1@localhost) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e7FJsEj26628 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:54:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:54:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Jackowski To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600X P3-650 2645-9FU for $3K Canadian......cheap ;-} In-Reply-To: <006001c006ee$e531c080$03785a8e@triumf.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, peter machule wrote: > IBM CANADA > 800-465-7748 > > $2999 CAN plus taxes > 1800 available Two questions about this one: Do they mind if someone in the US places an order with them? Will it run OS/2 and Linux? I'll guess yes, but I'd like to be sure. Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph Tue Aug 15 17:05:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA06960 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:05:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09501; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:01:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09204; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09189; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:01:44 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-15.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.168]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02878; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:01:38 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "peter machule" , "thinkpad" Subject: RE: Thinkpad 600X P3-650 2645-9FU for $3K Canadian......cheap ;-} Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:03:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <006001c006ee$e531c080$03785a8e@triumf.ca> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: peter machule [mailto:machule@triumf.ca] wrote: > IBM CANADA > 800-465-7748 > > $2999 CAN plus taxes > 1800 available Which works out to: 30379.79563 Austrian Schillings 3458.77615 Australian Dollars 89061.86041 Belgian Francs 3640.34633 Brazilian Real 3447.74075 Swiss Francs 16696.78628 Chinese Renminbi 4318.05380 German Marks 16465.25622 Danish Kroner 367344.65643 Spanish Pesetas 13126.89856 Finnish Markka 14482.12583 French Francs 1339.54063 British Pounds 743901.24412 Greek Drachmas 15730.73315 Hong Kong Dollars 1738.77266 Irish Punt 92370.00672 Indian Rupees 4274869.50764 Italian Lira 219832.54876 Japanese Yen 2251367.65299 South Korean Won 158218.93073 Sri Lanka Rupee 18635.34633 Mexican New Pesos 7663.88702 Malaysian Ringgit 4865.31976 Netherlands Guilders 17921.39475 Norwegian Kroner 4498.80074 New Zealand Dollars 442621.32276 Portuguese Escudo 18459.88366 Swedish Krona 3466.90047 Singapore Dollars 82447.28985 Thai Baht 62783.36920 Taiwan Dollars 2016.81237 United States Dollar 1390087.92872 Venezuelan Bolivar 2207.78585 European Monetary Union 14000.71150 South African Rand Just in case anyone was wondering! ;-) James From cph Tue Aug 15 18:55:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA07645 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:55:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26420; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:53:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26232; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26217; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:53:17 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-49.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.49]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA24087 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:53:15 +0300 Message-Id: <200008152253.BAA24087@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:53:17 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600X P3-650 2645-9FU for $3K Canadian......cheap ;-} X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zg List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 at 02:54 PM you, Jeff Jackowski , said: >Do they mind if someone in the US places an order with them? Will it run >OS/2 and Linux? I'll guess yes, but I'd like to be sure. See the "Linux on laptops" page at http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ There are two mentions of the TP600X. As to OS/2, the Device Driver File Matrix page at http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3TLQ2L.html would suggest OS/2 should run OK (it sure runs fine on my TP600E). -Dominique From cph Tue Aug 15 18:58:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA07653 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:58:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26832; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:56:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26651; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26636; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:56:21 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-49.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.49]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA24337 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:56:19 +0300 Message-Id: <200008152256.BAA24337@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:56:22 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Thinkpad 600X P3-650 2645-9FU for $3K Canadian......cheap ;-} Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zg List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 at 05:03 PM you, "James H. E. Maugham" , said: >2207.78585 European Monetary Union To be precise, the currency used in the countries participating in the European Monetary Union is the euro (symbol: ) -Dominique From cph Tue Aug 15 20:35:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA08021 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:35:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02874; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:32:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02716; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02702; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:32:52 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id UAA26522; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:32:50 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id UAA10544; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000815172046.026a9790@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:31:22 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: VMWare (was A20P dual boot) In-Reply-To: References: <3998D6D5.9A347D38@gate.net> <3998D846.FBCE804B@gate.net> <4.2.0.58.20000815083912.026efde0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 02:32 PM 8/15/2000 -0400, you wrote: > > More to the point (General list question), has anyone actually > > *used* VMWare? What are your impressions? Is it slow? Seemless? Any > > comments? > >Yes, I use it regularly. I have a dual boot TP570 (2000/Linux). VMware >lets me get at the second partition while the first one is running, a >very, very handy thing. It is slower than running Linux natively, but So I take it you have the version for Win2K and use it to run Linux from inside Win2K ? I presume it could be used to run other OS's from inside Win2K, like Win98? From cph Wed Aug 16 01:24:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA09038 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:24:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18061; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:19:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17772; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cronus.hicksequipment.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17759; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cronus.hicksequipment.com (216.5.9.163 -> cronus.hicksequipment.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:19:53 -0400 Received: from hades (hicksequipment.com [216.5.9.162]) by cronus.hicksequipment.com (8.10.2/8.9.3) with SMTP id e7G5JJC19019; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:19:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mlemon@hickseq.com) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: "'A Kumar'" , "'Computer Guru'" Cc: "'List Thinkpad'" Subject: RE: EZ Serv Abuse to machines?? Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:16:44 -0500 Message-ID: <003501c00749$8db302a0$7700a8c0@hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: Folks, I've had my TP600 233 in twice in two years: once for a mysterious motherboard death, and once for the dreaded "pink screen". Both times EZ Serv has been polite, fast, and has treated me like I was absolute royalty. As my TP gets moved from home to work and back every day, runs almost 24/7, and has logged a couple dozen road trips including 3-4 overseas, I'm still convinced it's the best laptop ever made. It's powerful yet light, great screen & pointer, and I regularly run IE5, Word 97, ACT!, PhotoShop, Outlook, and VB apps all at the same time. I've gone from Win95 to 98 and am ready to go to W2K as the driver library support gives me lots of confidence compared to everything else on the market. Better yet, I talked my boss into a TP600 with NT, and it's been a year since he called me into his office to fix something. Sure beats the Micron and Toshiba laptops he used to make me fight with. The internal modem is stinkaroo, but I can live with 26K in hotels as long as I get T1 access at my desktop (hehe). Just an alternative viewpoint. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: A Kumar [mailto:kassoc-2@idt.net] > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 10:11 PM > To: Computer Guru > Cc: List ThinkPad > Subject: RE: EZ Serv Abuse to machines?? > > > Yes I had a ThinkPad 600 that went in 5 times and each time > it came back > unfixed or in worse condition then it went in. At one point <> From cph Wed Aug 16 01:26:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA09063 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:26:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18461; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:23:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18112; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18099; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.122 -> mta1.snfc21.pbi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:23:43 -0400 Received: from dan ([64.161.101.98]) by mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0FZD0091BDKZVL@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:21:55 -0700 From: Dan Galender Subject: RE: High capacity external batteries? In-reply-to: To: Tony Rice , Thinkpad Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) List-Unsubscribe: Tony- You might also want to check out www.electrofuel.com. I just read a ComputerWord article (http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO48175,00.html) telling how the author ran their PowerPad 160 on a ThinkPad for 16.5 hours (between the PowerPad and the ThinkPad's own battery). For those 16.5 hours the ThinkPad was continuously copying 800MB of data between two folders on the hard disk. The test was run using Win2K and all power management off. The cost is $499 and they are so back ordered that all they will say is "late fall" for delivery. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Rice [mailto:trice@cisco.com] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 11:41 AM To: Thinkpad Subject: High capacity external batteries? Which reminds me. Are there any external batteries available for the TP? I remember a couple being available for Powerbooks several years ago. They were very handy to have on long flights without the need to carry them around all the time, From cph Wed Aug 16 11:37:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11265 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:37:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24204; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:34:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23958; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23945; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:34:09 -0400 Received: from zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id e7GFY8L00134; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) id e7GFY8p17235; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Subject: Re: VMWare (was A20P dual boot) References: <3998D6D5.9A347D38@gate.net> <3998D846.FBCE804B@gate.net> <4.2.0.58.20000815083912.026efde0@127.0.0.1> <4.2.0.58.20000815172046.026a9790@127.0.0.1> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 16 Aug 2000 11:34:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: Randal Whittle's message of "Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:31:22 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: Randal Whittle writes: > So I take it you have the version for Win2K and use it to run > Linux from inside Win2K ? Yes, though we have folks here who have the Linux version and run other things under it. > I presume it could be used to run other OS's from inside Win2K, > like Win98? Correct, see their site for the full set of host/guest sets. Peace, dNb From cph Wed Aug 16 17:02:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA13540 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:02:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21216; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:58:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20749; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20735; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:58:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08651 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:58:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:58:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: T20 replacement drive arrives Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Update: I received my replacement drive today, 9 days after I called IBM (or should I say EZServe?). The new drive is a 12g Travelstar made in Thailand, replacing the same drive, except made in Hungary. The recovery CD worked very well, no problems at all. I'm already back on the net, but have hours of reinstalling to do. I'll also take a stab at the driver updates on IBMs web site. Thanks to those who backed me on my demand for a new hd from IBM. -- Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Wed Aug 16 21:23:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA15164 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:23:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08601; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:21:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08447; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08433; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:21:32 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.203.25 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:20:54 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c007e9$dc999140$19cb1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: painted shell Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:24:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I may have a forest green 560 set of plastics soon, anybody interested in them? It could be a TFT or a DS Booger From cph Wed Aug 16 21:42:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA15263 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:42:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09607; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:40:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09501; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09487; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:40:19 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial11.auto-net.com [208.154.252.60]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20894 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:52:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <395C47F2.F0CCBDDF@iso.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:10:42 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint Caps References: <395C2F90.2583@southeast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Another source is on eBay - do a seller search for "nudemike" Bill Computer-Guru wrote: > Hi All, > > Who was it on this list that sells the little Eraser Trackpoint Caps?? > I would like to get some, but have lost that message. > > Thanks, > Jim > -- > > Regards, > > Computer-Guru > pctech@southeast.net > ===================== From cph Wed Aug 16 22:21:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA15501 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:21:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12725; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:19:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12551; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12538; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:19:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:19:36 -0400 Received: from dmpollock ([12.79.13.62]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000817021934.IPCZ17157.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@dmpollock>; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:19:34 +0000 To: wvantuyl@iso.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint Caps Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:19:25 -0400 Reply-To: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net Message-ID: <3kimpskn8lu7483kkugp71unluq0gfsmt3@4ax.com> References: <395C2F90.2583@southeast.net> <395C47F2.F0CCBDDF@iso.net> In-Reply-To: <395C47F2.F0CCBDDF@iso.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Not sure about this group but I saw this info on 2 places on lapotop ng posts: #1 Author: Mike S. I sell trackpoint caps that fit over a square post or over a round tack-like post. All IBM Thinkpads, HP Omnibook, Mitsubishi, Gateway, late model Toshiba and late-model Compaq use the square-post trackpoint cap. The round-post cap is for older notebooks such as Compaq LTE. Please remove the cap and see which type of post is on your computer. Alternatively, see if the cap has a square hole or a round hole. Then, e-mail me with the quantity that you'd like to buy. The caps are $1.85 + $0.75 Shipping & Handling regardless of quantity purchased. Please e-mail me if you have questions or would like to see a picture. -mike #2 www.compu-lock.com https://secure-ordering.com/compulock/order.html IBM Track Point Replacement Caps for all ThinkPads (pkg. of 4) (IBM part # 84G6537) $15.95 I hope that helps. Dorothy >Another source is on eBay - do a seller search for "nudemike" > >Bill > >Computer-Guru wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Who was it on this list that sells the little Eraser Trackpoint Caps?? >> I would like to get some, but have lost that message. >> >> Thanks, >> Jim >> -- >> >> Regards, >> >> Computer-Guru >> pctech@southeast.net >> ===================== From cph Wed Aug 16 22:39:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA15628 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:39:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13838; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:36:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13729; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13716; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:36:16 -0400 Received: from tp1480 (adsl-207-68-49-231.bellatlantic.net [207.68.49.231]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA08341; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000501c007f3$df7666e0$6401a8c0@tp1480> From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: , Cc: References: <395C2F90.2583@southeast.net> <395C47F2.F0CCBDDF@iso.net> <3kimpskn8lu7483kkugp71unluq0gfsmt3@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Trackpoint Caps Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:35:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: The fella who goes by the handle of "nudemike" on Ebay has better prices on trackpoint caps. His email address is: mshvartsman@socal.rr.com His real name is Mike Shvartsman - if you email him I am sure he will send a price list. He has quite an assortment of colors and mails them out quick. Nice fella. Disclaimer: I made reference to Mike in a post here and in the laptop newsgroup some months ago. Out of the blue he sent me three free caps, so I _have_ been bribed. jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 10:19 PM Subject: Re: Trackpoint Caps > Not sure about this group but I saw this info on 2 places on lapotop > ng posts: (snip) From cph Wed Aug 16 22:43:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA15655 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:43:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14405; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:42:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14250; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14234; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:42:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:42:07 -0400 Received: from dmpollock ([12.79.13.62]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000817024205.IXDN17157.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@dmpollock>; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:42:05 +0000 To: "Jim Biggerstaff" Cc: , Subject: Re: Trackpoint Caps Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:41:56 -0400 Reply-To: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net Message-ID: References: <395C2F90.2583@southeast.net> <395C47F2.F0CCBDDF@iso.net> <3kimpskn8lu7483kkugp71unluq0gfsmt3@4ax.com> <000501c007f3$df7666e0$6401a8c0@tp1480> In-Reply-To: <000501c007f3$df7666e0$6401a8c0@tp1480> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Haha...bribery huh? Thanks. I'll tuck his name away if Outpost EVER gets my A20M 26284WU in stock;-) On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:35:55 -0400, you wrote: >The fella who goes by the handle of "nudemike" on Ebay has better prices on >trackpoint caps. His email address is: > >mshvartsman@socal.rr.com > >His real name is Mike Shvartsman - if you email him I am sure he will send a >price list. He has quite an assortment of colors and mails them out quick. >Nice fella. > >Disclaimer: I made reference to Mike in a post here and in the laptop >newsgroup some months ago. Out of the blue he sent me three free caps, so I >_have_ been bribed. > >jim From cph Wed Aug 16 23:09:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA15767 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:09:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16222; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:07:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16103; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16090; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:07:45 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-41.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.146]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA21590; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 03:07:43 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Jim Biggerstaff" Cc: Subject: RE: Trackpoint Caps Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:09:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000501c007f3$df7666e0$6401a8c0@tp1480> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Jim Biggerstaff [mailto:duh2000@bellatlantic.net] wrote: > Disclaimer: I made reference to Mike in a post here and in the laptop > newsgroup some months ago. Out of the blue he sent me three free caps, so I > _have_ been bribed. Ah yes, Mike! Salt of the earth. Wonderful fellow and all that. James PS: Mike, that will be three cat's tongues in red please. ;-) From cph Wed Aug 16 23:27:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA15856 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:27:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17389; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:25:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17300; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web106.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17286; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web106.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.73 -> web106.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:25:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 16626 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2000 03:25:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000817032543.16625.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web106.yahoomail.com; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:25:43 PDT Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:25:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Hard drive keeps recalibrating To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: My IBM hard drive keeps recalibrating itself 4 times about every 10 seconds. At least I think that's what it's doing. It's a DBCA-204860, 4.8Gb. Each time it does it takes about a second and everything on the computer stops while it is taking place. Launching large programs causes it to happen a dozen or more times, making starting quite slow. I've run scandisk in Win98 and EZ Smart on it but they both say there are no errors. Anybody know what is going on? Thanks. ===== Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Aug 17 02:50:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA16884 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:50:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24583; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:46:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24377; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24347; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.192 -> web124.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:46:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 8551 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2000 06:46:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000817064639.8550.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web124.yahoomail.com; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:46:39 PDT Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:46:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Hard drive keeps recalibrating To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Everyone who said it's dying, you're right! I ran the IBM Drive Fitness Test and it failed with error code 0x71, Device Not Ready. I tried to look up the warranty info on IBM's website at www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/..... Click on Warranty information and it doesn't say anything but Limited Warranty and NONE! Doesn't IBM even have a warranty on the things? > It's dying !!! > Phone IBM now . ===== Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Aug 17 13:27:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA20351 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:27:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12849; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:25:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12439; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web118.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12426; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web118.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.99 -> web118.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:24:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 4801 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2000 17:24:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000817172456.4800.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.225.68] by web118.yahoomail.com; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:24:56 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:24:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Hard drive keeps recalibrating To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I called IBM and they said the drive is not under warranty even though it's less than a year old! (Label says Oct-99) It was sold as an OEM to ACER and I got it when the owner upgraded to a larger one. ACER doesn't offer any warranty either as far as I can tell unless the extended warranty is purchased. I would never buy one of their worthless drives again! They are nothing but pieces of junk! --- Computer-Guru wrote: > Steve, > > That is a sign of a bad HDD. The drive in my 1420i > did a similar thing, > and finally went totally dead. You will need to send > the unit into EZ > Serv and have them replace the drive for you. > > Jim > -- > > Regards, > > Computer-Guru > pctech@southeast.net > ===================== ===== Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Aug 17 13:34:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA20405 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:34:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13740; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:32:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13547; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13527; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (142.90.106.106 -> andrew1.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:32:14 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e7HHWCi19289 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu.AVP; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:32:12 -0700 Received: from sfupc (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7HHW7019277; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:32:08 -0700 Message-ID: <015b01c00870$638517c0$03785a8e@triumf.ca> From: "peter machule" To: "Steve C." Cc: "thinkpad" References: <20000817172456.4800.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Hard drive keeps recalibrating and IBM's wonderful warranty ...NOT ! Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:27:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I got bitten by the same IBM " policy ". I bought 2 new 4.3Gb IBM HD's from NECX. Only needed one ,so the other just sat on the shelf. Almost year later ..3 months ago I tried to use it . DEAD...DEAD... Ok, so phone IBM. Snarly tech tells me it was sold as an OEM product to MICRON . There is NO IBM warranty . MICRON of course knew nothing . A rather expensive lesson .;-{ ...peter... ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve C. To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Hard drive keeps recalibrating > I called IBM and they said the drive is not under > warranty even though it's less than a year old! (Label > says Oct-99) It was sold as an OEM to ACER and I got > it when the owner upgraded to a larger one. ACER > doesn't offer any warranty either as far as I can tell > unless the extended warranty is purchased. I would > never buy one of their worthless drives again! They > are nothing but pieces of junk! > > --- Computer-Guru wrote: > > Steve, > > > > That is a sign of a bad HDD. The drive in my 1420i > > did a similar thing, > > and finally went totally dead. You will need to send > > the unit into EZ > > Serv and have them replace the drive for you. > > > > Jim > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Computer-Guru > > pctech@southeast.net > > ===================== > > > ===== > Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From cph Thu Aug 17 13:36:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA20421 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:36:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14004; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:33:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13643; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13629; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.112 -> pilot012.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:33:10 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm452-46.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.152]) by pilot012.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA52460 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:32:58 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000817133010.024cdb30@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:33:24 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Hard drive keeps recalibrating In-Reply-To: <20000817172456.4800.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I'd call IBM again, and talk with a supervisor type of person. IBM made the disk, and has a warranty on it. Saying that it evaporates once sold to Acer doesn't make any sense to me. I think it's worth a phone call to try this again. --STeve Andre' At 10:24 AM 8/17/00 -0700, you wrote: >I called IBM and they said the drive is not under >warranty even though it's less than a year old! (Label >says Oct-99) It was sold as an OEM to ACER and I got >it when the owner upgraded to a larger one. ACER >doesn't offer any warranty either as far as I can tell >unless the extended warranty is purchased. I would >never buy one of their worthless drives again! They >are nothing but pieces of junk! > >--- Computer-Guru wrote: > > Steve, > > > > That is a sign of a bad HDD. The drive in my 1420i > > did a similar thing, > > and finally went totally dead. You will need to send > > the unit into EZ > > Serv and have them replace the drive for you. > > > > Jim > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Computer-Guru > > pctech@southeast.net > > ===================== > > >===== >Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Aug 17 13:53:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA20525 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:53:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16810; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:50:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16647; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from condor.utc.uic.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16622; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from condor.utc.uic.edu (131.193.92.223 -> condor.utc.uic.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:50:08 -0400 Received: from uic.edu (yorktown.utc.uic.edu [131.193.92.186] ) by condor.utc.uic.edu (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:50:06 +0600 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:50:06 -0500 (CDT) From: George Yanos cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Cheap Canadian Thinkpad 600s In-Reply-To: <20000817172456.4800.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: gyanos@tigger.cc.uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: What happened with the Canadian machines? I read them, marveled at the price, and deleted them. Only later did a friend decide that he needed two machines cause his (one person) business will be shut down if he has to send his in for repair, which he does. ********************************************************************* * George Yanos * Urban Sprawl Symposium * * UTC at UIC * Urban Transportation Center and * * 312-413-0059(w) * Metropolitan Transportation Support Initative * * 708-848-4221(h) * Circle Center, 750 South Halsted, Chicago * * * September 8, 2000 8:30am to 5:00pm * * gyanos@uic.edu * Registration: 312-996-4820 / stauffer@uic.edu * ********************************************************************* From cph Thu Aug 17 14:09:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA20625 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:09:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18833; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:03:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18619; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18603; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (142.90.106.106 -> andrew1.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:03:00 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e7HI2ww19327 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu.AVP; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:02:58 -0700 Received: from sfupc (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7HI2r019315; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:02:54 -0700 Message-ID: <018401c00874$afd87140$03785a8e@triumf.ca> From: "peter machule" To: "George Yanos" Cc: "thinkpad" References: Subject: Re: Cheap Canadian Thinkpad 600s Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:58:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: IBM CANADA 800-465-7748 $2999 CAN plus taxes 1800 available My buddie has one coming. Also bought 256MB of memory from Crucial . $300 US ish . I totally understand where your friend is coming from . You really do need a backup machine if your life is on that TOY. sigh........ ...peter... ----- Original Message ----- From: George Yanos Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:50 AM Subject: Cheap Canadian Thinkpad 600s > What happened with the Canadian machines? I read them, marveled at the > price, and deleted them. Only later did a friend decide that he needed > two machines cause his (one person) business will be shut down if he has > to send his in for repair, which he does. > > > > > ********************************************************************* > * George Yanos * Urban Sprawl Symposium * > * UTC at UIC * Urban Transportation Center and * > * 312-413-0059(w) * Metropolitan Transportation Support Initative * > * 708-848-4221(h) * Circle Center, 750 South Halsted, Chicago * > * * September 8, 2000 8:30am to 5:00pm * > * gyanos@uic.edu * Registration: 312-996-4820 / stauffer@uic.edu * > ********************************************************************* > > From cph Thu Aug 17 14:24:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA20692 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:24:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22117; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:22:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21557; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21541; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten2.mcs.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:22:21 -0400 Received: from heiby.pr.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA70151 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:22:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from heiby@falkor.chi.il.us) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:20:33 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1279807809.20000817132033@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: Hard drive keeps recalibrating In-reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000817133010.024cdb30@pilot.msu.edu> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000817133010.024cdb30@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thursday, August 17, 2000, 12:33:24 PM, STeve wrote: > IBM made the disk, and has a warranty on it. Saying that > it evaporates once sold to Acer doesn't make any sense to > me. It makes sense if you figure that Acer probably told IBM that they would cover any warranty issues, so paid less for the drives. I understand that it is quite common for things like disk drives to be sold with or without warranty, at higher or lower prices, depending upon whether the computer integrator wants to take the risk for warranty claims. Ron. From cph Thu Aug 17 15:00:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA21005 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:00:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27748; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:57:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27220; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27206; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:57:22 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA11493; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:56:31 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001301c0087c$e4fb1140$b48d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Steve C." , References: <20000817172456.4800.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Hard drive keeps recalibrating Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:56:44 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "I called IBM and they said the drive is not under warranty even though it's less than a year old! (Label says Oct-99) It was sold as an OEM to ACER" This makes it grey market, so probably IBM is telling the truth. Fortunately, HDDs have really dropped. I was shopping around recently, saw a 12 gig travelstar for $175 w/full warrantee, and - if you don't mind refurbs - 4 to 8 gig travelstars can be had for not much more than $100. - David R. From cph Thu Aug 17 15:10:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA21056 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:10:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29098; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:07:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28865; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28841; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net (199.185.220.239 -> fepout4.telus.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:07:55 -0400 Received: from defiant ([209.53.9.229]) by priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.11 201-229-116-111) with SMTP id <20000817190752.DROY15313.priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net@defiant>; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:07:52 -0600 From: "Ryan Hung" To: "Jim Biggerstaff" , , Cc: Subject: RE: Trackpoint Caps Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:08:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <000501c007f3$df7666e0$6401a8c0@tp1480> List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The other thing is that if you do E-mail him, mention that you got his name through the Thinkpad mailing list, as he sometimes gives special discounts for us. I just got in an order of 20 caps in assorted colours from Mike--hopefully enough to last me for a year or two... :-) Ryan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Biggerstaff [mailto:duh2000@bellatlantic.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 7:36 PM > To: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net; wvantuyl@iso.net > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Trackpoint Caps > > > The fella who goes by the handle of "nudemike" on Ebay has better > prices on > trackpoint caps. His email address is: > > mshvartsman@socal.rr.com > > His real name is Mike Shvartsman - if you email him I am sure he > will send a > price list. He has quite an assortment of colors and mails them > out quick. > Nice fella. > > Disclaimer: I made reference to Mike in a post here and in the > laptop newsgroup some months ago. Out of the blue he sent me three > free > caps, so I > _have_ been bribed. > > jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: Trackpoint Caps > > > > Not sure about this group but I saw this info on 2 places on > > lapotop ng posts: > (snip) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOZw39gWlozyTIQ4YEQKzDACfb1wJi9iU4MJ8tFAyM/hfWel+QXsAn3pF SAXdJKtOStoPNN8Uym8Rm/pb =Dwg9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Thu Aug 17 16:02:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA21383 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:02:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05005; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:00:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04760; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04746; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:00:43 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.251.130 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:00:05 -0700 Message-ID: <010501c00886$372538c0$82fb163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: My Brain Hurts Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:03:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Got a 560 coming in that is dead, but the gal says if you twist the computer a bit it will boot. Sounds like a short or a crack on the motherboard to me.... IS there a sequence to tightening those bottom screws? I have always tightened from the center to the ouside ( My old VW motor rebuilding days) so there wouldn't be any flexing.... Any ideas? Brad From cph Thu Aug 17 17:09:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA21848 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:09:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13806; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:07:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13406; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13388; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:07:26 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA12238 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:07:22 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000501c0088f$2caaa3e0$3a62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Thinkpad Users" References: <010501c00886$372538c0$82fb163f@oemcomputer> Subject: [TP560 - TPall?] List fair use (was: Re: My Brain Hurts) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:07:33 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Tightening the bottom screws won't help; this is a breaking or broken connection on the main board. A couple of us have had boards replaced (under warrantee) for the same symptoms. If you're handy or brave you can try a drop of solder or silver conducting epoxy on the bad connection. Brad, can I ask a question? You seem to be getting, or have already gotten, into the business of buying and selling ThinkPads and ThinkPad bits on ebay, using this list as a kind of ongoing unpaid consultant. Of course, we all have the option to decide whether or not to read and reply to these posts, but increasingly I'm finding myself wondering if this is a proper function for the list. There are a couple of others on the list whose business overlaps with your a bit - Bill Morrow comes immediately to mind, there's also Denis Hall and one or two others - and one thing immediate by contrast is that the answer/question ratio in their posts is quite high. It is possible that I'm the only one here who feels this way - in which case, my bad, and I apologize for opening my mouth here - but I thought the issue should be raised. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:03 AM Subject: My Brain Hurts Got a 560 coming in that is dead, but the gal says if you twist the computer a bit it will boot. Sounds like a short or a crack on the motherboard to me.... IS there a sequence to tightening those bottom screws? I have always tightened from the center to the ouside ( My old VW motor rebuilding days) so there wouldn't be any flexing.... Any ideas? Brad From cph Thu Aug 17 17:24:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA21938 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:24:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15496; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:21:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15327; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15261; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:21:45 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.252.72 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:21:06 -0700 Message-ID: <016101c00891$8877b300$82fb163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "David Ross" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <010501c00886$372538c0$82fb163f@oemcomputer> <000501c0088f$2caaa3e0$3a62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [TP560 - TPall?] List fair use (was: Re: My Brain Hurts) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:24:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Jeez David I just don't know how to respond to that.... I guess sharing my experiences on painting a Thinkpad, taking pictures and uploading them, and finding original backgrounds to share with the list users don't offset my few questions. Yes I take, and I try to give back. Really sorry you feel that way. Brad PS Thanks for the info. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Ross To: Thinkpad Users Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 4:07 PM Subject: [TP560 - TPall?] List fair use (was: Re: My Brain Hurts) > Tightening the bottom screws won't help; this is a breaking or broken > connection on the main board. > A couple of us have had boards replaced (under warrantee) for the same > symptoms. If you're handy or > brave you can try a drop of solder or silver conducting epoxy on the bad > connection. > > Brad, can I ask a question? You seem to be getting, or have already > gotten, into the business of > buying and selling ThinkPads and ThinkPad bits on ebay, using this list > as a kind of ongoing unpaid > consultant. Of course, we all have the option to decide whether or not > to read and reply to these > posts, but increasingly I'm finding myself wondering if this is a proper > function for the list. > > There are a couple of others on the list whose business overlaps with > your a bit - Bill Morrow comes immediately to mind, there's also Denis > Hall and one or two others - and one thing immediate by contrast is that > the answer/question ratio in their posts is quite high. > > It is possible that I'm the only one here who feels this way - in which > case, my bad, and I apologize for > opening my mouth here - but I thought the issue should be raised. > > - David R. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brad Burean" > To: "Thinkpad Users" > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:03 AM > Subject: My Brain Hurts > > > Got a 560 coming in that is dead, but the gal says if you twist the > computer > a bit it will boot. Sounds like a short or a crack on the motherboard > to > me.... IS there a sequence to tightening those bottom screws? I have > always tightened from the center to the ouside ( My old VW motor > rebuilding > days) so there wouldn't be any flexing.... > > Any ideas? > > Brad > > > > > From cph Thu Aug 17 17:39:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA22002 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:39:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17307; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:37:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17108; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17094; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:37:17 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip129-37-224-135.mo.us.prserv.net [129.37.224.135]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.2) with ESMTP id e7HLbDw11955; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:37:13 -0700 Message-ID: <399C5B05.9FD405AB@mail.orion.org> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:37:09 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Burean CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: My Brain Hurts References: <010501c00886$372538c0$82fb163f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Brad Burean wrote: > > Got a 560 coming in that is dead, but the gal says if you twist the computer > a bit it will boot. Sounds like a short or a crack on the motherboard to > me.... IS there a sequence to tightening those bottom screws? I have > always tightened from the center to the ouside ( My old VW motor rebuilding > days) so there wouldn't be any flexing.... > > Any ideas? Sounds like a bad solder joint on the tiny connector between motherboard and DC-DC board. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Thu Aug 17 17:44:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA22045 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:44:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17987; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:42:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17809; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17796; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:42:28 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.184.125 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:41:41 -0700 Message-ID: <018501c00894$68afaf20$82fb163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Shawn R. Lin" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <010501c00886$372538c0$82fb163f@oemcomputer> <399C5B05.9FD405AB@mail.orion.org> Subject: Re: My Brain Hurts Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:45:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Yeah, but how the heck do you see those things? Guess I better invest in a magnifying glass, I can't anything with these damn bi-focals. Thanks Brad aka Booger, man of 1000 questions. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn R. Lin To: Brad Burean Cc: Thinkpad Users Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 4:37 PM Subject: Re: My Brain Hurts > Brad Burean wrote: > > > > Got a 560 coming in that is dead, but the gal says if you twist the computer > > a bit it will boot. Sounds like a short or a crack on the motherboard to > > me.... IS there a sequence to tightening those bottom screws? I have > > always tightened from the center to the ouside ( My old VW motor rebuilding > > days) so there wouldn't be any flexing.... > > > > Any ideas? > > Sounds like a bad solder joint on the tiny connector between motherboard > and DC-DC board. > > Shawn > > > > ________________________________________________________ > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Thu Aug 17 17:49:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA22071 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:49:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18758; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:47:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18587; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18569; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:47:19 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip129-37-224-135.mo.us.prserv.net [129.37.224.135]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.2) with ESMTP id e7HLlGw13110; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:47:16 -0700 Message-ID: <399C5D60.40467A9B@mail.orion.org> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:47:12 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Burean CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: My Brain Hurts References: <010501c00886$372538c0$82fb163f@oemcomputer> <399C5B05.9FD405AB@mail.orion.org> <018501c00894$68afaf20$82fb163f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Brad Burean wrote: > > Yeah, but how the heck do you see those things? Guess I better invest in a > magnifying glass, I can't anything with these damn bi-focals. Heheh, I just used my naked eyes even though they aren't very good, I'm more nearsighted so I can see them pretty good up close. I used a pencil tip soldering iron and just touched each of the tiny pins on the connector until the solder looked like it melted. Accidentally soldering across two connectors is very easy, so you have to watch for that. Shawn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Shawn R. Lin > To: Brad Burean > Cc: Thinkpad Users > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: My Brain Hurts > > > Brad Burean wrote: > > > > > > Got a 560 coming in that is dead, but the gal says if you twist the > computer > > > a bit it will boot. Sounds like a short or a crack on the motherboard > to > > > me.... IS there a sequence to tightening those bottom screws? I have > > > always tightened from the center to the ouside ( My old VW motor > rebuilding > > > days) so there wouldn't be any flexing.... > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Sounds like a bad solder joint on the tiny connector between motherboard > > and DC-DC board. ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Thu Aug 17 18:02:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA22127 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:02:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20026; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:00:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19795; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19773; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.111 -> pilot011.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:59:58 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.26]) by pilot011.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA64076 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:59:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000817175228.00e58110@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:59:56 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: My Brain Hurts In-Reply-To: <399C5D60.40467A9B@mail.orion.org> References: <010501c00886$372538c0$82fb163f@oemcomputer> <399C5B05.9FD405AB@mail.orion.org> <018501c00894$68afaf20$82fb163f@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Yes, soldering all the connections on a connector is one way to do it. Given that connectors are often the source of the problem, it makes sense to do that. But as Shawn says, watch out for making an accidental bridge. I always look for breaks in the PC board too. Usually a break in a trace looks like a tiny grey-black line (a really thin one, too) going across the metal. If the pc board is clean, and you have lots of light which you can move around, you can often spot one as you change the position of the light. This isn't to say its easy, however. There have been times that I've spend five hours staring at some damed thing, before finding the problem. If I think its a power supply problem I'll start with the connector, then see what the power connector feeds and start looking at those traces. It's really very much a game of hunting for the needle in the heystack. Sometimes, you can use temperature to help you. If you can make something more stable with a hot air gun blown on the pc board for 20 seconds or so, then you have a good idea that the connection is such that its closed as the surrounding pieces of metal expands. If you know that, and have a can of refrigerant (you can get non CFC stuff now), then spraying parts of it till the problem comes back is a good way to narrow down the problem. --STeve Andre' At 04:47 PM 8/17/00 -0500, Shawn R. Lin wrote: >Brad Burean wrote: > > > > Yeah, but how the heck do you see those things? Guess I better invest in a > > magnifying glass, I can't anything with these damn bi-focals. > >Heheh, I just used my naked eyes even though they aren't very good, I'm >more nearsighted so I can see them pretty good up close. I used a >pencil tip soldering iron and just touched each of the tiny pins on the >connector until the solder looked like it melted. Accidentally >soldering across two connectors is very easy, so you have to watch for >that. > >Shawn > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Shawn R. Lin > > To: Brad Burean > > Cc: Thinkpad Users > > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 4:37 PM > > Subject: Re: My Brain Hurts > > > > > Brad Burean wrote: > > > > > > > > Got a 560 coming in that is dead, but the gal says if you twist the > > computer > > > > a bit it will boot. Sounds like a short or a crack on the motherboard > > to > > > > me.... IS there a sequence to tightening those bottom screws? I have > > > > always tightened from the center to the ouside ( My old VW motor > > rebuilding > > > > days) so there wouldn't be any flexing.... > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > Sounds like a bad solder joint on the tiny connector between motherboard > > > and DC-DC board. > > > >________________________________________________________ > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Thu Aug 17 18:07:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA22160 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:07:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20541; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:04:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20366; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20353; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:04:42 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.184.125 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:04:03 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c00897$889c4340$7db81b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "STeve Andre'" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <010501c00886$372538c0$82fb163f@oemcomputer><000501c0088f$2caaa3e0$3a62183f@math.hawaii.edu> <4.3.2.7.0.20000817173547.00e578c0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: [TP560 - TPall?] List fair use (was: Re: My Brain Hurts) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:07:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Heck no... This list is a great help, and I enjoy it! Davids got his ideas, I got mine. I don't want to see a big war or anything, he said his piece, and I replied. Done deal. Booger ----- Original Message ----- From: STeve Andre' To: Brad Burean Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [TP560 - TPall?] List fair use (was: Re: My Brain Hurts) > Well Brad, you've contributed some unique stuff to this list, for which I am > appreciative. I hope you don't go because of this comment. > > I think that any attempt to establish a metric for asking questions, or any > other form of "ranking" is nothing short of a disaster. I've read what you've > said in the past David, and valued your input as well. I'm sorry to hear you > express this, because it has a chilling effect on all the people who listen > here, and are shy about posting. > > --STeve Andre' > > At 04:24 PM 8/17/00 -0500, you wrote: > >Jeez David I just don't know how to respond to that.... > > > >I guess sharing my experiences on painting a Thinkpad, taking pictures and > >uploading them, and finding original backgrounds to share with the list > >users don't offset my few questions. Yes I take, and I try to give back. > >Really sorry you feel that way. > > > >Brad > > > >PS Thanks for the info. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: David Ross > >To: Thinkpad Users > >Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 4:07 PM > >Subject: [TP560 - TPall?] List fair use (was: Re: My Brain Hurts) > > > > > > > Tightening the bottom screws won't help; this is a breaking or broken > > > connection on the main board. > > > A couple of us have had boards replaced (under warrantee) for the same > > > symptoms. If you're handy or > > > brave you can try a drop of solder or silver conducting epoxy on the bad > > > connection. > > > > > > Brad, can I ask a question? You seem to be getting, or have already > > > gotten, into the business of > > > buying and selling ThinkPads and ThinkPad bits on ebay, using this list > > > as a kind of ongoing unpaid > > > consultant. Of course, we all have the option to decide whether or not > > > to read and reply to these > > > posts, but increasingly I'm finding myself wondering if this is a proper > > > function for the list. > > > > > > There are a couple of others on the list whose business overlaps with > > > your a bit - Bill Morrow comes immediately to mind, there's also Denis > > > Hall and one or two others - and one thing immediate by contrast is that > > > the answer/question ratio in their posts is quite high. > > > > > > It is possible that I'm the only one here who feels this way - in which > > > case, my bad, and I apologize for > > > opening my mouth here - but I thought the issue should be raised. > > > > > > - David R. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Brad Burean" > > > To: "Thinkpad Users" > > > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:03 AM > > > Subject: My Brain Hurts > > > > > > > > > Got a 560 coming in that is dead, but the gal says if you twist the > > > computer > > > a bit it will boot. Sounds like a short or a crack on the motherboard > > > to > > > me.... IS there a sequence to tightening those bottom screws? I have > > > always tightened from the center to the ouside ( My old VW motor > > > rebuilding > > > days) so there wouldn't be any flexing.... > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > Brad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Thu Aug 17 18:18:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA22225 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:18:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21842; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:15:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21625; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21604; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:15:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA72790; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com To: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: My Brain Hurts In-Reply-To: <000501c0088f$2caaa3e0$3a62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I haven't been bothered by his question/answer ratio. Besides, as I found out when teaching programming (3000+ students and counting), when one person asks a question, there are usually others who had the same question but didn't bother to ask it. While I'm not planning on painting my case or (hopefully) suffering from a bad display or cracked motherboard, I do find the questions/answers are interesting and some of them are filed away for potential future use. -- David Goldman On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, David Ross wrote: > Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:07:33 -1000 > From: David Ross > To: Thinkpad Users > Subject: [TP560 - TPall?] List fair use (was: Re: My Brain Hurts) > > Tightening the bottom screws won't help; this is a breaking or broken > connection on the main board. > A couple of us have had boards replaced (under warrantee) for the same > symptoms. If you're handy or > brave you can try a drop of solder or silver conducting epoxy on the bad > connection. > > Brad, can I ask a question? You seem to be getting, or have already > gotten, into the business of > buying and selling ThinkPads and ThinkPad bits on ebay, using this list > as a kind of ongoing unpaid > consultant. Of course, we all have the option to decide whether or not > to read and reply to these > posts, but increasingly I'm finding myself wondering if this is a proper > function for the list. > > There are a couple of others on the list whose business overlaps with > your a bit - Bill Morrow comes immediately to mind, there's also Denis > Hall and one or two others - and one thing immediate by contrast is that > the answer/question ratio in their posts is quite high. > > It is possible that I'm the only one here who feels this way - in which > case, my bad, and I apologize for > opening my mouth here - but I thought the issue should be raised. > > - David R. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brad Burean" > To: "Thinkpad Users" > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:03 AM > Subject: My Brain Hurts > > > Got a 560 coming in that is dead, but the gal says if you twist the > computer > a bit it will boot. Sounds like a short or a crack on the motherboard > to > me.... IS there a sequence to tightening those bottom screws? I have > always tightened from the center to the ouside ( My old VW motor > rebuilding > days) so there wouldn't be any flexing.... > > Any ideas? > > Brad > > > > > > From cph Thu Aug 17 18:38:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA22335 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:38:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24021; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:35:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23842; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23821; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.13 -> mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:34:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 23613 invoked by alias); 17 Aug 2000 22:34:56 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 23566 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 2000 22:34:55 -0000 Received: from dialupjj207.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.35.207) by mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 17 Aug 2000 22:34:55 -0000 Message-ID: <000501c0089b$6ae7c0a0$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: CPU Usage (600X) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:35:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I wrote a while back about my CPU use. I thought it was unreasonably high when it should be idle. It sits around 90% usage when just a few applets and the System Monitor (win98) are running. Curiously, when the modem is in use, the chart drops to about 25% usage. I downloaded TaskInfo2000 (from Iarsn.com, thanks!) and lo and behold, it says CPU use is about 1.5%, even though System Monitor still says 90%. So there is a bug in either the driver or System Monitor, and the end result is that it (System Monitor) is useless for CPU load. Now I see that IBM has a new modem driver, so i'll see if that improves things. Later, Chris From cph Thu Aug 17 19:22:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA22595 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:22:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26795; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:19:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26615; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26602; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:19:26 -0400 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-145.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.145]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA04659 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000817192416.0085b700@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:24:16 -0700 To: "Thinkpad Users" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: [TP560 - TPall?] List fair use (was: Re: My Brain Hurts) In-Reply-To: <000501c0088f$2caaa3e0$3a62183f@math.hawaii.edu> References: <010501c00886$372538c0$82fb163f@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:07 AM 08/17/2000 -1000, David Ross wrote: >Brad, can I ask a question? You seem to be getting, or have already >gotten, into the business of >buying and selling ThinkPads and ThinkPad bits on ebay, using this list >as a kind of ongoing unpaid >consultant. Of course, we all have the option to decide whether or not >to read and reply to these >posts, but increasingly I'm finding myself wondering if this is a proper >function for the list. > >There are a couple of others on the list whose business overlaps with >your a bit - Bill Morrow comes immediately to mind, there's also Denis >Hall and one or two others - and one thing immediate by contrast is that >the answer/question ratio in their posts is quite high. > >It is possible that I'm the only one here who feels this way - in which >case, my bad, and I apologize for >opening my mouth here - but I thought the issue should be raised. Hmmm, I never even noticed or minded. I like Bill and Denis at list members and the same applies to David. I haven't seen anything that would warrant list abuse or conflict of interests. I consider this list a source of information exchange and what the recipients do with that information is their own concern. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Aug 17 20:53:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA23032 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:53:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01975; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:50:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01801; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01773; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:50:14 -0400 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29967 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (ppp99-mtl.magma.ca [209.217.89.99] (may be forged)) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA28427 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008180050.UAA28427@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "Thinkpad Users" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:42:15 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <399C5D60.40467A9B@mail.orion.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: My Brain Hurts List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:47:12 -0500, Shawn R. Lin wrote: >Heheh, I just used my naked eyes even though they >aren't very good, I'm more nearsighted so I can >see them pretty good up close. I used a pencil >tip soldering iron and just touched each of the >tiny pins on the connector until the solder >looked like it melted. Accidentally soldering >across two connectors is very easy, so you have >to watch for that. Or do what I do (unintentially), solder by touch. ouch! andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: www.cnn.com/WEATHER/ce/Quebec/MontrealYUL.html From cph Thu Aug 17 21:18:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA23173 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:18:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03384; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:15:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03196; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icewall.vianet.on.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03183; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icewall.vianet.on.ca (209.91.128.10 -> icewall.vianet.on.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:15:30 -0400 Received: from hunt-tcs3-port152.vianet.on.ca (hunt-tcs3-port152.vianet.on.ca [209.91.147.152]) by icewall.vianet.on.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13266; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:15:56 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <199838980.20000817211556@erols.com> To: David Goldman CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re[2]: My Brain Hurts In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David, Thursday, August 17, 2000, 6:18:34 PM, you wrote: > I haven't been bothered by his question/answer ratio. Besides, as I found > out when teaching programming (3000+ students and counting), when one > person asks a question, there are usually others who had the same question > but didn't bother to ask it. Agree completely. > While I'm not planning on painting my case or (hopefully) suffering from > a bad display or cracked motherboard, I do find the questions/answers > are interesting and some of them are filed away for potential future use. I don't think Brad has been a troll. I have been amused by his attempts to paint TP cases. Samuel Johnson said of a dog walking on his hind legs, "What's remarkable is not that it's done well, but that it's done at all". I feel the same way about Brad painting cases; but he's having a good time, and I now know where to go to get my 600 fixed up for St Patrick's Day. ;-) -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Thu Aug 17 21:29:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA23227 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:29:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04578; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:27:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04366; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04345; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:27:08 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.183.120 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:26:14 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01c008b3$c6568120$78b71b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Donald MacQueen" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <199838980.20000817211556@erols.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: My Brain Hurts Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:29:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: > I don't think Brad has been a troll. I have been amused by his > attempts to paint TP cases. Samuel Johnson said of a dog walking on > his hind legs, "What's remarkable is not that it's done well, but that > it's done at all". I feel the same way about Brad painting cases; > but he's having a good time, and I now know where to go to get my 600 > fixed up for St Patrick's Day. ;-) Ok... should I be offended here? Brad > -- > Donald > > Donald M. MacQueen > Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] > > From cph Thu Aug 17 21:42:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA23266 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:42:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05482; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:40:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05363; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05348; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.116 -> pilot016.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:40:38 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port28.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.29]) by pilot016.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA31054 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:40:34 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000817213818.00e76320@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:40:19 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re[2]: Hard drive keeps recalibrating In-Reply-To: <1279807809.20000817132033@falkor.chi.il.us> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000817133010.024cdb30@pilot.msu.edu> <4.3.2.7.0.20000817133010.024cdb30@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Yeah, I think you're right Ron. I've been asking around about grey market selling and this looks like it. Wow. Gives strong reason to find out about the warranty FIRST, before buying from a place. --STeve Andre' At 01:20 PM 8/17/00 -0500, Ronald W. Heiby wrote: >Thursday, August 17, 2000, 12:33:24 PM, STeve wrote: > > IBM made the disk, and has a warranty on it. Saying that > > it evaporates once sold to Acer doesn't make any sense to > > me. > >It makes sense if you figure that Acer probably told IBM that they >would cover any warranty issues, so paid less for the drives. I >understand that it is quite common for things like disk drives to be >sold with or without warranty, at higher or lower prices, depending >upon whether the computer integrator wants to take the risk for >warranty claims. > >Ron. From cph Thu Aug 17 21:50:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA23293 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:50:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06410; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:48:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06223; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icewall.vianet.on.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06210; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icewall.vianet.on.ca (209.91.128.10 -> icewall.vianet.on.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:48:39 -0400 Received: from hunt-tcs3-port35.vianet.on.ca (hunt-tcs3-port35.vianet.on.ca [209.91.148.186]) by icewall.vianet.on.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20112; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:48:10 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1792772469.20000817214810@erols.com> To: "Brad Burean" CC: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: OT: My Brain Hurts In-reply-To: <001e01c008b3$c6568120$78b71b3f@oemcomputer> References: <199838980.20000817211556@erols.com> <001e01c008b3$c6568120$78b71b3f@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Brad, Thursday, August 17, 2000, 9:29:36 PM, you wrote: >> I don't think Brad has been a troll. I have been amused by his >> attempts to paint TP cases. Samuel Johnson said of a dog walking on >> his hind legs, "What's remarkable is not that it's done well, but that >> it's done at all". I feel the same way about Brad painting cases; >> but he's having a good time, and I now know where to go to get my 600 >> fixed up for St Patrick's Day. ;-) > Ok... should I be offended here? Not unless you want to be. I admire perserverance, especially on whimsical things. BTW, my ancestors are Scottish, not Irish. Maybe an a nice tartan on my 600 instead. And I could change the W95 startup sound to be Scotland the Brave. Whaddya think? ;-) -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Thu Aug 17 22:11:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA23353 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:11:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07859; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:09:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07703; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07690; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:09:35 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA13662 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:09:32 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <009e01c008b9$611c7200$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" References: <199838980.20000817211556@erols.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: My Brain Hurts Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:09:44 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "I don't think Brad has been a troll." Good heavens, I never accused him of being a troll. My remark about answer/question ratio was really meant more as a positive comment about Bill et al - by way of explanation as to why our noncommercial list has been so strongly welcoming of commercial members - than as a criticism of anyone else. As someone who has taught substantially more than the 3000 students David mentions, I agree that answering one person's question often helps many others, which is one reason I've replied whenever I felt I had something to contribute to questions >from Brad and others over the years. However, for reasons really having nothing whatever to do with Brad, I have been increasingly conscious of a growing attitude that the web exists as an inexhaustible source of something for nothing. In fact, I believe that intellectual property - including answers to technical questions - have tangible value. What has made specialty mailing lists and Usenet groups thrive over the years is the active trade of this property, essential a kind of barter program on the honor system. However, this system is beginning to break down in places, for example Usenet newsgroups which have become unusable because C|net and other commercial services have piggybacked their 'help desks' onto the groups. Anyway, if one looks at my original post, I was merely remarking on what I perceived to be a pattern in a set of posts, and I raised a question about appropriateness, qualified with apologies-in-advance; I didn't mean to levy an accusation of abuse. Judging from the replies on the thread I was evidently overreacting to the perceived pattern. - David R. From cph Thu Aug 17 23:45:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA23713 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:45:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12073; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:42:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11959; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11946; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:42:48 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-393.gate.net [199.227.131.202]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA62278; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:42:26 -0400 Message-ID: <399CB0C7.6205F841@gate.net> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:43:03 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peter machule CC: "Steve C." , thinkpad Subject: Re: Hard drive keeps recalibrating and IBM's wonderful warranty ...NOT ! References: <20000817172456.4800.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> <015b01c00870$638517c0$03785a8e@triumf.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Call NECX.. that drive should be replaced under an NECX warranty.. peter machule wrote: > I got bitten by the same IBM " policy ". > I bought 2 new 4.3Gb IBM HD's from NECX. > Only needed one ,so the other just sat on the shelf. > Almost year later ..3 months ago I tried to use it . > DEAD...DEAD... > Ok, so phone IBM. > Snarly tech tells me it was sold as an OEM product to MICRON . > There is NO IBM warranty . > MICRON of course knew nothing . > A rather expensive lesson .;-{ > > ...peter... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve C. > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: Hard drive keeps recalibrating > > > I called IBM and they said the drive is not under > > warranty even though it's less than a year old! (Label > > says Oct-99) It was sold as an OEM to ACER and I got > > it when the owner upgraded to a larger one. ACER > > doesn't offer any warranty either as far as I can tell > > unless the extended warranty is purchased. I would > > never buy one of their worthless drives again! They > > are nothing but pieces of junk! > > > > --- Computer-Guru wrote: > > > Steve, > > > > > > That is a sign of a bad HDD. The drive in my 1420i > > > did a similar thing, > > > and finally went totally dead. You will need to send > > > the unit into EZ > > > Serv and have them replace the drive for you. > > > > > > Jim > > > -- > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Computer-Guru > > > pctech@southeast.net > > > ===================== > > > > > > ===== > > Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Aug 18 00:03:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA23784 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:03:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13636; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:01:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13504; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13482; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:01:23 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-393.gate.net [199.227.131.202]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA115880; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:01:16 -0400 Message-ID: <399CB530.63BCB8DB@gate.net> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:01:52 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steve C." CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hard drive keeps recalibrating References: <20000817172456.4800.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: IBM will warrant drives sold to the original purchaser... (Micron or Acer or DELL or Gateway of..) toshiba, OTH, has warranted their drives regardless.. (one can never be certain if prior policies will continue).. both are slow in responding to a warranty claim.. (toshiba 1 month plus, IBM not quite as long).. call the source of the drive and make a warranty claim.. and when anyone buys a HDD via ebay, buy one with a warranty..! "Steve C." wrote: > I called IBM and they said the drive is not under > warranty even though it's less than a year old! (Label > says Oct-99) It was sold as an OEM to ACER and I got > it when the owner upgraded to a larger one. ACER > doesn't offer any warranty either as far as I can tell > unless the extended warranty is purchased. I would > never buy one of their worthless drives again! They > are nothing but pieces of junk! > > --- Computer-Guru wrote: > > Steve, > > > > That is a sign of a bad HDD. The drive in my 1420i > > did a similar thing, > > and finally went totally dead. You will need to send > > the unit into EZ > > Serv and have them replace the drive for you. > > > > Jim > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Computer-Guru > > pctech@southeast.net > > ===================== > > ===== > Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Aug 18 02:22:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA24298 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:22:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19397; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:18:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19273; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19258; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:18:34 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.185] (helo=139-142-112-185.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13PfTD-0002km-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:17:35 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hard drive keeps recalibrating Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:53:18 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <20000817172456.4800.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> <001301c0087c$e4fb1140$b48d273f@math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <001301c0087c$e4fb1140$b48d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Lines: 27 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: >"I called IBM and they said the drive is not under >warranty even though it's less than a year old! (Label >says Oct-99) It was sold as an OEM to ACER" > >This makes it grey market, so probably IBM is telling the truth. > So, how do you know whether a drive is under warranty or not, before you buy it? Does it have a label or a certificate? >Fortunately, HDDs have really dropped. I was shopping around recently, >saw a 12 gig travelstar for >$175 w/full warrantee, and - if you don't mind refurbs - 4 to 8 gig >travelstars can be had for not much more than $100. > >- David R. > > > -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Fri Aug 18 04:12:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA24789 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:12:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25391; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:08:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25082; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25067; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (194.164.53.205) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:08:03 -0400 Received: by mailtest.eyup.org (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.04/2.0) id JAA063.61; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:06:03 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:06:02 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Sound under OS/2 on TP760C Message-ID: <20000818090601.P116@eyup.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know how to get sound to out of a TP760C under OS/2? I managed it a couple of years ago, but I'm doing a re-install and haven't got it working yet. There are three files mentioned here:- http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/RMIE-39TGS3.html They are supposed to provide the Audio Features, but I haven't stumbled across the magic required to make sound burst out of this ThinkPad. Any assistance would be appreciated. -- John From cph Fri Aug 18 05:23:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA24998 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:23:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02027; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:17:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01328; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaab.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01289; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaab.compuserve.com (149.174.177.151 -> hs-img-2.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:17:45 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id FAA01391 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:15:59 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: RS6000 help Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200008180516_MC2-B032-463D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA24999 Does anyone know anything about the IBM RS6000 Power PC laptop? I need a screen ribbon cable for a 850 model... Can ayone help? It is only 3 years old and IBM will not honour the warranty on it... Thanks Mark From cph Fri Aug 18 05:41:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA25043 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:41:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03043; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:36:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02827; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02812; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (194.164.53.205) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:36:02 -0400 Received: by mailtest.eyup.org (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.04/2.0) id KAA064.09; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:35:34 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:35:33 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: thinkpad Subject: Re: RS6000 help Message-ID: <20000818103532.Q116@eyup.org> References: <200008180516_MC2-B032-463D@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: <200008180516_MC2-B032-463D@compuserve.com>; from Mark Gardiner on Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 05:15:59AM -0400 X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 05:15:59AM -0400, Mark Gardiner wrote: > Does anyone know anything about the IBM RS6000 Power PC laptop? > > I need a screen ribbon cable for a 850 model... Can ayone help? It is only > 3 years old and IBM will not honour the warranty on it... You may get some help on this list:- To: thinkppc-request@as220.org Subject: subscribe > Thanks > > Mark -- John From cph Fri Aug 18 19:23:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA29280 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:23:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29692; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:20:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29489; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29476; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:20:47 -0400 Received: from mlw ([64.108.10.22]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20000818232042.JCPI12111.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@mlw> for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:20:42 -0500 Message-ID: <00eb01c0096a$e94b8d80$0201a8c0@mlw> From: "Matt Winston" To: Subject: 730T and penpoint software Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:20:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C00940.FBF888E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C00940.FBF888E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Got a copy of this old, but seemingly useful software on a pcmcia disk = drive. I'd like to make a backup copy, but not sure how to duplicate a pcmcia = drive. Any idea if there's any application software around? Thanks for sugestions, Matt Winston mattwinston@ameritech.net ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C00940.FBF888E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C00940.FBF888E0-- From cph Fri Aug 18 20:43:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA29744 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:43:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04493; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:40:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04366; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04337; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.226 -> blount.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:40:49 -0400 Received: from shadow-book (user-2inic01.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.48.1]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA12413 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000818193004.01ea86b0@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: powrlftr@popd.ix.netcom.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:30:04 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Blaine Hufnagle Subject: 755CD reliability issues... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I've got a 755CD that's showing some real problems when running on battery power. I'm trying to determine if I need to throw down the wad of cash I need for a new battery, or go ahead and upgrade to a 76x-class machine. Symptoms: Exceedingly limited battery life; going from fully charged to blinking-battery-LED before it finishes booting Reliable battery life less than 15 minutes, even after reconditioning [These two pretty much say it's a bad battery, but....] Sometimes when it wants to run for more than 20 minutes or so, it'll hard-lock; so hard that even the power switch doesn't work. It takes hitting the reset switch in back to get it to recover. I realize that the manual's promise of 3-3.5 hours on a charge is highly unrealistic, but I'd think that 1.5 hours or so would be within reason. I did have to replace the power board in it. It came with the Li-Ion capable board, but I replaced it with the NiMH board. Would that give me any problems on a P-75 machine? I've not had any real problems so far. Note that it will run flawlessly (or, DID, before I left out last time) for days when in a Dock-II. I'm running WinNT4, SP-6a. Are there any OS issues I should attempt to address? Running NT4 so far has resulted in fairly reliable use, and at one time I was getting two weeks or more of stability with multiple suspend/resume cycles per day. We bought a copy of Open Source Linux to try on it, but I'm concerned about power management under Linux, and since this machine sees stationary usage once every three months or so, power management is critical. This machine runs in a high-vibration environment, and has been subjected to multiple drops from table-top height, albeit onto a padded floor. I did discover last week that one of the tiny screws in the CD-ROM drive had come out and was running loose inside the machine. I extracted it, but it's still having problems. I was thinking that maybe something had gotten shorted, but it seems to behave itself otherwise, and always passes POST. The machine has been remarkably reliable otherwise, especially considering the abuse I give it. What is making me think about upgrading is that most of the few websites I visit regularly have long-since gone to an 800x600 format, and the 640x480 screen of the 755CD is not quite big enough any more. Also worth considering is that while Win2K will load and boot on the machine without incident, it's phenomenally slow, and as such is useless. About all I do on this machine is check e-mail and light-duty web browsing. I do use Excel to run a couple of business spreadsheets to keep track of my mileages. But, nothing that's heavily processor intensive. I was thinking about seeing if I could find a 760-series with a P-133 or so. My problem with the newer machines is the blasted "wrist rest." My hands are big enough that the wrist rest makes touch-typing almost impossible. Anyone got a 760 they'd be willing to part with, CHEAP? ObPersonal to Bill Morrow: How's the freight business? -blaine The Zen Method of Big Rig: Grasshopper, truck will shift itself if you are one with it.- Bill Keith (Cruising the Info-Bahn in a Freightliner dry van :-) DoD #7192 (but no bike) Powerlifting LIFE - The rest is details. http://www.powerbear.com From cph Fri Aug 18 22:36:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA30243 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:36:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09623; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:32:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09357; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out.visi.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09331; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out.visi.com (209.98.98.22 -> kauket.visi.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:32:47 -0400 Received: from zippy (171-180.dynamic.visi.com [209.98.171.180]) by mail-out.visi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D3D6D39AF; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:32:44 -0500 (CDT) From: "Chris Schumann" To: "Mark Gardiner" <100550.3170@compuserve.com>, "thinkpad" Subject: RE: RS6000 help Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:32:12 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200008180516_MC2-B032-463D@compuserve.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: That sounds VERY unlike IBM. You should escalate the issue if it is indeed under warranty. Even if it isn't IBM should have plenty of spare parts around. OTOH, you could offer to take a spiffy T20 in exchange... My Sony 8mm VCR failed under warranty once. Sony had no parts, so they replaced the machine with a newer model. Good luck, Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Gardiner [mailto:100550.3170@compuserve.com] > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:16 AM > To: thinkpad > Subject: RS6000 help > > > Does anyone know anything about the IBM RS6000 Power PC laptop? > > I need a screen ribbon cable for a 850 model... Can ayone help? > It is only > 3 years old and IBM will not honour the warranty on it... > > Thanks > > Mark > From cph Sun Aug 20 00:22:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01810 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:22:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17054; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:17:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16659; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web106.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16642; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web106.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.73 -> web106.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:17:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 10876 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2000 04:17:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000820041720.10875.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Received: from [128.218.246.135] by web106.yahoomail.com; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:17:20 PDT Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:17:20 -0700 (PDT) From: James Grenert Subject: Re: 486-50 to P75 (was 755cx) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Burean@email.msn.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id AAA17054 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id AAA01811 The P75 should be fine for what it sounds like your son plans on using it for. I had a TP360PE with a 486-50, which I upgraded to a 586-133. The 586 is supposed to be performance-wise equivalent to a P75. While the 486-50 was fine for running Office 95, Netscape 3.0, Telnet, etc. it did get a little slow running some games and newer software. Now it runs Office quite a bit more briskly, and I can run Netscape 4.0 (or is it 4.5? I know it's not bloated 4.7) with no problems. It also has a nice plus of being able to handle Real Player G2 (at least audio) which the old processor couldn't even get to play the start-up screen, as well as play MP3 files with WinPlay3. One thing to be sure of: Get at least 32MB of RAM if the machine doesn't already have it. It will make a big difference with multitasking and browsing. Cheers. J. P. Grenert grenert@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun Aug 20 00:31:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01849 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:31:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13345; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:21:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13215; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13201; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:21:01 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.78.196.210]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000820022059.QWAV14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@compaq> for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:20:59 +0000 Message-ID: <399F4108.1F55@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:23:04 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: For Sale: 701CS for parts UPDATE References: <20000819223212.1475.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> <399F14AA.4F3F@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id WAA13345 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id AAA01850 The parts machine is sold, I have one remaining 701CS DX75 in the original box with all accs (Floppy, port rep, printer cable, manuals books etc.), good battery, mint condition unit, 700 MB HDD, 16 MB RAM, WIN 95 installed. First $150 plus shipping takes it. Thanks! Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > I have a 701CS in nice condition in the orignal box with all accs. It > includes the floppy drive, port replicator, printer cable, 700 MB hard > drive, all manuals, a battery which is possibly good (indicates charging > in the BIOS. It is a 486/75 > Problem: On boot up, the screen lights up, then just goes black. If I > hit the FN key a few times, the backlights will flicker momentarily, the > machine is working the display is black. > If anyone can use this machine for parts, $100 plus shipping. Everything > is in mint condition, keyboard, display etc. Has 16 MB RAM > Let me know ASAP before I give it back. > Have another, working perfectly, W95 loaded, same as above except no > problems, $150 plus shipping from NYC > Thanks! > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun Aug 20 00:31:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01852 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:31:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12690; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:06:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12545; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12532; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:06:51 -0400 Received: from mwl ([32.101.34.5]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000082002064923902bfeije>; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:06:50 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c00a4a$bbc85560$05226520@mwl> Reply-To: "Mike Lingenfelter" From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: Subject: CDPD Modems Manuals/Links needed Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:02:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I am in need of manuals or .pdf links to IBM regarding the use of CDPD modems. I purchased 2 of these modems for my 755CDV. One uses the drive bay and the other uses the pcmcia w/ a powered transceiver. With my new job as a technology coordinator for a school district I am constantly looking for neat projects for the teachers. The environmental teacher and I are going to start a project with the student where they will be using TI graphing calculators and probe ware to monitor water quality conditions at a local stream and post this information on our website and with the local conservation district. This obviously will be a long term project lasting years. The "twist" that I want to add to our project is to have the students post data via a cellular connection and to download current weather conditions from our onsite weather station (Davis Instruments ) that has its own connection to our web and uploads local weather to our homepage. I realize the limited connect speed (19.2) of CDPD but our dialup can only give us 21.6 (pbx slows the connect speed). Digital pics are out of the question but small file transfers are possible. Too bad Net Meeting couldn't be used with 2 way visual connections.... Anyhow, if anybody has any experiences that they could share with me in this regard with cellular connections, manuals, links to IBM info... I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks! Mike Lingenfelter for those of you interested in the weather in Bellwood, Pa http://tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us/weather/ From cph Sun Aug 20 00:31:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01856 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:31:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08033; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:37:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07889; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07876; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (24.93.67.49 -> fe2.southeast.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:37:18 -0400 Received: from tp600x.prserv.net ([24.163.117.238]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:37:06 -0400 Message-ID: <399F190E.B0F724A4@tp600x.prserv.net> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:32:30 -0400 From: David Lee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM OEM Hard drive support Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The HD came from a OEM manufacturer, IBM, Dell, Compaq or whatever company IBM sold the HD as OEM. It is therefore the responsibility of that company to provide warranty service for the "entire" original equipment. >I simply bought it from someone >who upgraded his laptop to a larger size. The laptop manufacturer should warranty the drive, NOT IBM. Intel is the same way. Intel will only provide warranty service if you bought an Intel BOXED processor with an intel warranty statement, and so does AMD, and NEC. Basically, it is buyer beware! -- *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# #include #include "I_am_become_death.h" #include "the_destroyer_of_worlds.h" #include "j_robert_oppenheimer.h" *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# As always all thoughts are my own! Well most of them! ;-) -- *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# #include #include "I_am_become_death.h" #include "the_destroyer_of_worlds.h" #include "j_robert_oppenheimer.h" *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# As always all thoughts are my own! Well most of them! ;-) From cph Sun Aug 20 00:31:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01862 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:31:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06708; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:11:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06556; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06543; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:11:43 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.78.197.60]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000819231141.KFDX13787.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@compaq> for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 23:11:41 +0000 Message-ID: <399F14AA.4F3F@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:13:46 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: For Sale: 701CS for parts References: <20000819223212.1475.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id TAA06708 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id AAA01864 I have a 701CS in nice condition in the orignal box with all accs. It includes the floppy drive, port replicator, printer cable, 700 MB hard drive, all manuals, a battery which is possibly good (indicates charging in the BIOS. It is a 486/75 Problem: On boot up, the screen lights up, then just goes black. If I hit the FN key a few times, the backlights will flicker momentarily, the machine is working the display is black. If anyone can use this machine for parts, $100 plus shipping. Everything is in mint condition, keyboard, display etc. Has 16 MB RAM Let me know ASAP before I give it back. Have another, working perfectly, W95 loaded, same as above except no problems, $150 plus shipping from NYC Thanks! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun Aug 20 00:31:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01866 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:31:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05373; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:32:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05194; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05181; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.89 -> web116.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:32:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 1476 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 2000 22:32:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20000819223212.1475.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web116.yahoomail.com; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:32:12 PDT Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:32:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Hard drive keeps recalibrating To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id SAA05373 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id AAA01867 No, not gray market. I simply bought it from someone who upgraded his laptop to a larger size. I don't see how that makes it completely worthless, however! I tried calling ACER and it's not possible to even get through to them. The voice messaging asks for a customer number then hangs up! Their website seems to indicate that they don't have any warranty either unless the extended warranty is purchased. I'd never buy anything else from IBM or ACER either, now! > saw a 12 gig travelstar for > $175 w/full warrantee, What do you mean by "full warrantee"? From the vendor? IBM said they don't provide any warranty at all unless you buy the drive from them. How many people buy directly from IBM? --- David Ross wrote: > "I called IBM and they said the drive is not under > warranty even though it's less than a year old! > (Label > says Oct-99) It was sold as an OEM to ACER" > > This makes it grey market, so probably IBM is > telling the truth. > > Fortunately, HDDs have really dropped. I was > shopping around recently, > saw a 12 gig travelstar for > $175 w/full warrantee, and - if you don't mind > refurbs - 4 to 8 gig > travelstars can be had for not much more than $100. > > - David R. > ===== Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun Aug 20 00:31:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01869 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:31:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03181; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:43:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02861; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02848; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:43:39 -0400 Received: from att.net ([12.74.14.181]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000819214337.PDXY14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@att.net> for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:43:37 +0000 Message-ID: <399EFF7C.B83A954B@att.net> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:43:25 -0500 From: D- X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Travelstar HD Install problems Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FC0A5BAB68056FA1859B3E1D" List-Unsubscribe: --------------FC0A5BAB68056FA1859B3E1D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, long time lurker, first time poster. This is a little OT, but was hoping someone could help. I have an old 166mhz Toshiba Tecra 740CDT on which I am trying to replace the HD. It came with a 2 gig Toshiba drive that is 16mm thick. I picked up a 9mm DKLA-24320 4.32 gig IBM travelstar to replace it with. Here is the problem: I can't copy anything to the disk after I install it. I can format it, fdisk, and "sys.com" it with dos, but I can't copy any directories to it. If I try to install W95/W98 the computer locks up. I tried the hard drive utilities from IBM and everything checked out with one exception: When testing the drive using IBM DFT I get the following error: 0x41, Bad Cable I thought this might be related to the recent threads regarding using new drives with old caddies, but I don't know if I understand the situation enough to start breaking off pins. The Travelstar HD pin out matches the Toshiba HD pin outs exactly, including the 4 jumper pins. The Toshiba caddy interface fits the new HD exactly the way it fit on the Tosh HD- i.e. The interface plugs into all the pins except the last four. Any suggestions? P.S. I tried a different Toshiba Caddy interface laying around, and different Travelstar from a friend- same symptoms and "Bad Cable" error. Thanks --------------FC0A5BAB68056FA1859B3E1D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, long time lurker, first time poster.  This is a little OT, but was hoping someone could help.

I have an old 166mhz Toshiba Tecra 740CDT on which I am trying to replace the HD.  It came with a 2 gig Toshiba drive that is 16mm thick.  I picked up a 9mm DKLA-24320 4.32 gig IBM travelstar to replace it with.  Here is the problem:

I can't copy anything to the disk after I install it.  I can format it, fdisk, and "sys.com" it with dos, but I can't copy any directories to it.  If I try to install W95/W98 the computer locks up.  I tried the hard drive utilities from IBM and everything checked out with one exception:

When testing the drive using IBM DFT I get the following error:

0x41, Bad Cable

I thought this might be related to the recent threads regarding using new drives with old caddies, but I don't know if I understand the situation enough to start breaking off pins.  The Travelstar HD pin out matches the Toshiba HD pin outs exactly, including the 4 jumper pins.  The Toshiba caddy interface fits the new HD exactly the way it fit on the Tosh HD- i.e.  The interface plugs into all the pins except the last four.

Any suggestions?

P.S. I tried a different Toshiba Caddy interface laying around, and different Travelstar from a friend- same symptoms and "Bad Cable" error.
 

Thanks --------------FC0A5BAB68056FA1859B3E1D-- From cph Sun Aug 20 00:31:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01860 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:31:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03152; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:43:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02791; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02777; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:43:23 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA18205; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:43:11 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000c01c00a26$84802700$6c62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Allan Ballard" , "Thinkpad Users" References: <200008192128.RAA20345@smtp6.mindspring.com> Subject: [TP-older] AMD133 (was: Re: 755cx) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:43:26 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "My AMD133 (486 socket plug-in) tests the same as a p90. The difference is produced by more L1 cache." The AMD133 is faster than an Intel 486-133 would be, if such a thing existed. The relative speed of the AMD chip depends a lot on the benchmark being used; I have a web page devoted to this (http://www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross/cpu.shtml); it says something about the popularity of old technology that it continues to be oft-viewed (over 1200 hits since I added a hit counter about a year ago). - David R. From cph Sun Aug 20 00:33:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01875 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:33:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29117; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:32:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28953; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28940; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:32:35 -0400 Received: from prmlaw (adsl-151-202-18-129.bellatlantic.net [151.202.18.129]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA00415; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008192032.QAA00415@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> From: "Philip R. Mann" To: "Code0 Networks" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Philip R. Mann" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <000801c00a0b$0d928cc0$0109790a@yar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:26:53 -0500, Code0 Networks wrote: >They're in c:\ >The problem is I have no floppy drive. When I said a specific place, I didn't mean a particular directory, rather a specific track on the harddisk. ----- PRM ----- From cph Sun Aug 20 00:33:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01878 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:33:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00662; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:11:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00499; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00486; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (62.2.32.83 -> mail.swissonline.ch) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:11:22 -0400 Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-90-130.swissonline.ch [195.24.90.130]) by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA19882 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 23:11:18 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200008192111.XAA19882@mail.swissonline.ch> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 23:15:12 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: TP600E: What audio chip am I using ? List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I have a ThinkPad 600E type 2645-550 How can I know what kind of sound chip this laptop uses ? TIA Francois -------------------------------------- I used to have all the answers Then they changed all the questions 08/19/00 23:15:09 Francois Hurter abacab@swissonline.ch -------------------------------------- Please mail me for my public PGP key. From cph Sun Aug 20 00:33:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01881 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:33:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01665; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:22:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01496; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01483; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:22:00 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA18104 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:21:54 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003501c00a23$898b1320$8962183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Thinkpad Users" References: <002f01c009ee$106cb500$67fb163f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: 755cx Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:21:45 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "started running real slow. IS there much of a differenct between a 486-75 and a Pent 75? It's not here yet and I'm just wondering." Yes, the P75 is very substantially faster, roughly comparable to a 486-133. Perfectly adequate for W95 and any apps where the human-machine interface is the bottleneck, not very good for modern games. OK for websurfing as long as the modem is not a winmodem. - David R. From cph Sun Aug 20 00:33:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01884 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:33:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02174; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:29:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02033; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02020; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:29:00 -0400 Received: from user-38ld3r3.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld3r3.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.143.99]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA20345; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008192128.RAA20345@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "David Ross" , "Thinkpad Users" Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <003501c00a23$898b1320$8962183f@math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 755cx List-Unsubscribe: My AMD133 (486 socket plug-in) tests the same as a p90. The difference is produced by more L1 cache. p75 --> p90 is not much of an increase, but is noticeable when opening bloated windose apps. On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:21:45 -1000, David Ross wrote: >"started running real slow. IS there much of a differenct between a >486-75 >and a Pent 75? It's not here yet and I'm just wondering." > >Yes, the P75 is very substantially faster, roughly comparable to a >486-133. From cph Sun Aug 20 00:33:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01887 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:33:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01166; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:17:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01042; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01029; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:17:28 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA18046; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:17:23 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002d01c00a22$e83495a0$8962183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Code0 Networks" , References: <000801c00a0b$0d928cc0$0109790a@yar> Subject: Re: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:17:37 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "The problem is I have no floppy drive." Funny how those laptops on eBay never seem to come with a floppy, and how often the same sellers later show up selling floppy drives alone for an inflated price:-) If you have a desktop, and are comfortable opening your 730, you could get a 2.5->3.5" IDE converter (often less than $5), and prep your laptop's HD on the desktop. Meanwhile, keep your eyes open for a floppy drive. While one uses them very infrequently nowadays, there are a couple of uses (reloading OS, flashing BIOS, quick small file transfer) for which they are invaluable. - David R. From cph Sun Aug 20 00:34:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01900 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:34:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22854; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:21:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22539; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22526; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:21:15 -0400 Received: from prmlaw (adsl-151-202-18-129.bellatlantic.net [151.202.18.129]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA28872; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008191821.OAA28872@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> From: "Philip R. Mann" To: "Code0 Networks" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Philip R. Mann" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <000d01c009e9$25ad05a0$0109790a@yar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:24:10 -0500, Code0 Networks wrote: > I copied all the files via the serial port (got the field >kit - no floppy) and nuked the original Win95 io.sys, msdos.sys and >command.com. I replaced them with the DOS versions and restarted. The >computer locked. You can't just copy DOS system files --- they're supposed to be in specific places. Boot with a DOS diskette and run the SYS command. If it fails (because the necessary location already is in use), you'll either have to erase the offending file(s) or do a clean install. ----- PRM ----- From cph Sun Aug 20 00:34:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01906 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:34:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23572; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:31:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23428; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ficus.frogspace.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23415; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ficus.frogspace.net (64.6.237.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:31:15 -0400 Received: from [206.10.49.50] (helo=yar) by ficus.frogspace.net with smtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 13QDOf-0001wm-00; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:31:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c00a0b$0d928cc0$0109790a@yar> From: "Code0 Networks" To: "Philip R. Mann" , Subject: Re: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:26:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: They're in c:\ The problem is I have no floppy drive. -----Original Message----- From: Philip R. Mann To: Code0 Networks ; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, August 19, 2000 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive >On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:24:10 -0500, Code0 Networks wrote: > >> I copied all the files via the serial port (got the field >>kit - no floppy) and nuked the original Win95 io.sys, msdos.sys and >>command.com. I replaced them with the DOS versions and restarted. The >>computer locked. > >You can't just copy DOS system files --- they're supposed to be in specific >places. > >Boot with a DOS diskette and run the SYS command. If it fails (because the >necessary location already is in use), you'll either have to erase the >offending file(s) or do a clean install. > >----- PRM ----- > From cph Sun Aug 20 00:34:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01903 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:34:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25249; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:09:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25096; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25083; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:09:05 -0400 Received: from iso.net ([208.154.252.63]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA69902 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:08:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <399EF78A.AA38B722@iso.net> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:09:30 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: IBM's handwriting recognizer (was RE: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Chris, I would be interested in the software to try on a 360P. I use Pen for Windows 95 so if you have a different version please send it. Thanks, Bill BTW have you tried STG's keyboard program? If not look at Chris Schumann wrote: > I have a 750P and found the hand writing recognizer that Microsoft > shipped (with Pen for Windows) to be... okay. > > IBM later shipped me their own and much better recognizer. > > I can only guess that it will work on a 730T. > > I have never seen this software available for download from IBM, > but I can e-mail it to any interested party. > > Until then, > Chris > Snip ----- From cph Sun Aug 20 00:34:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01909 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:34:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25887; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:21:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25755; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25742; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:21:16 -0400 Received: from user-38ld3r3.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld3r3.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.143.99]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA20560; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008191921.PAA20560@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Mort Denison" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP760XD Login Lockup List-Unsubscribe: Use the F key to prevent drivers from loading. Then load then one at a time per boot to find if a driver is the offense. I forgot which F key. On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:04:31 -0400, Mort Denison wrote: >I bought a 760XD for my wife's occasional use over a year ago. > >I've got it in a Dock II with an external IBM keyboard and a Logitech mouse. > >I've got her and myself set up under two different accounts using Microsoft >Family. > >On boot up (and reboot) the mouse and keyboard freeze at the login screen. >One or more power off and on cycles fixes it until the next time. There's >never an error message. I've tried it using another known, good Dock II. >The Adaptec SCSI bios is turned off. > >There's no unusual software on it - Windows 98 SE, Microsoft Office 97. I >originally thought it was Norton AntiVirus, but uninstalling it didn't fix >the problem. I've got LogiTech's latest drivers on it. > >Does anyone have an suggestions before I call IBM technical support. > From cph Sun Aug 20 00:40:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01945 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:40:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19718; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:14:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19556; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19542; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (24.147.1.144 -> chmls06.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:14:36 -0400 Received: from laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA04331 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:14:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: Caller ID with W2K modem driver? Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:14:37 -0400 Message-ID: <003201c00a00$f3f7e080$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Is anyone using caller ID software (such as IDentify! or others) on a Windows 2000 ThinkPad system? I can't get name and number to come up, though the driver certainly should be TAPI compatible. Model is 770Z. Thanks -- Jeff From cph Sun Aug 20 00:40:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01948 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:40:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18443; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:04:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18286; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from regulus.blazenet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18273; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from regulus.blazenet.net (24.104.0.39 -> regulus.blazenet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:04:26 -0400 Received: from mdenison (ip205.45.blca.blazenet.net [24.104.45.205]) by regulus.blazenet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03789 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:12:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mort Denison" To: Subject: TP760XD Login Lockup Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:04:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I bought a 760XD for my wife's occasional use over a year ago. I've got it in a Dock II with an external IBM keyboard and a Logitech mouse. I've got her and myself set up under two different accounts using Microsoft Family. On boot up (and reboot) the mouse and keyboard freeze at the login screen. One or more power off and on cycles fixes it until the next time. There's never an error message. I've tried it using another known, good Dock II. The Adaptec SCSI bios is turned off. There's no unusual software on it - Windows 98 SE, Microsoft Office 97. I originally thought it was Norton AntiVirus, but uninstalling it didn't fix the problem. I've got LogiTech's latest drivers on it. Does anyone have an suggestions before I call IBM technical support. From cph Sun Aug 20 00:40:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01954 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:40:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15125; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:07:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14907; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14889; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (216.100.248.113 -> adsl-216-100-248-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:07:12 -0400 Received: from cinnamon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cinnamon.com (8.10.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id e7JG8dA17548; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008191608.e7JG8dA17548@cinnamon.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.0 09/18/1999 To: "Brad Burean" cc: "Code0 Networks" , "Thinkpad Users" , bandy@cinnamon.com Subject: Re: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:42:48 CDT." <001d01c009eb$bfff0660$67fb163f@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:08:38 -0700 From: Andy Beals List-Unsubscribe: It's definitely neat technology. It's a real computer in a small form-factor, and is usable in a hand-held mode. The handwriting recognition s/w is awful, especially if you're used to a palm pilot. In fact, a Pilot might be your best bet for the little lady. As to the batteries on ebay, well, most are well-used. You're going to have to buy a lot of batteries to get a good pair. A charger/conditioner is in order as well, but the 730t itself will do the best job of putting an initial charge on the batteries. W95 itself ain't too bad. Some applications [netscape] are awfully slow, especially once you start up pages with java applications. I've got mine almost to the point where it's my "personal" computer at work for everything -- I'm just hampered by the small drive storage, and I don't think I'll even try to use it as a cd player. Should be able to use it to d/l mp3 files to my player, though. It does quite well plugged into an ethernet and with a keyboard and screen, it works like any other w95 computer, if a leeetle bit slowly. On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:42:48 -0500, "Brad Burean" wrote: > Just curious as I was thinking about getting my wife one of the 730's, she > is in to astronomy and it would be a great little machine for her to take > with her in the field. Why did you want to remove w95? Is it to slow? > I've seen lot's of batteries on ebay for these things pretty cheap. > > Brad > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Code0 Networks > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:24 AM > Subject: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive > > > > I recently got a TP730T off of eBay. After I received it, I powered it up > > and played with it. All was fine. I then decided to load Win3.1/DOS 6.22 > > instead of Win95. I copied all the files via the serial port (got the > field > > kit - no floppy) and nuked the original Win95 io.sys, msdos.sys and > > command.com. I replaced them with the DOS versions and restarted. The > > computer locked. > > > > What I assumed is that I screwed to the MBR on the hard drive. Now I also > > assume that the way to fix it is either find a computer that can boot off > a > > PCMCIA drive and install DOS/fix the MBR. To do this, I would need to know > > what I could use to do this (no TPs, I don't know anyone who has one - > > Compaqs maybe?). Or my other idea is to get a floppy drive for the 730 and > > do it that way - anyone have one for sale cheap? > > I think that's about it for my rants on this. Any other ideas would be > > great. > > > > > > > > Jonathan Bailey > > > > > > P.S. - Also, the batteries in this one are dead (no surprise) would > similar > > batteries like RadioShack race car 7.3v work? I know that I can't charge > > them in the notebook, though... > > > From cph Sun Aug 20 00:40:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01957 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:40:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17440; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:43:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17223; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17210; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:43:31 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.204.239 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:42:31 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c009fc$f31c4a60$efcc1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Andy Beals" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <200008191608.e7JG8dA17548@cinnamon.com> Subject: Re: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:44:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: The program she uses for star mapping etc is a w95 program. So that's why I need a PC, and she can't see a keyboard at night, so I thought this would be perfect. \ ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Beals To: Brad Burean Cc: Code0 Networks ; Thinkpad Users ; Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive > It's definitely neat technology. It's a real computer in a small form-factor, > and is usable in a hand-held mode. The handwriting recognition s/w is awful, > especially if you're used to a palm pilot. In fact, a Pilot might be your > best bet for the little lady. > > As to the batteries on ebay, well, most are well-used. You're going to have > to buy a lot of batteries to get a good pair. A charger/conditioner is in > order as well, but the 730t itself will do the best job of putting an initial > charge on the batteries. > > W95 itself ain't too bad. Some applications [netscape] are awfully slow, > especially once you start up pages with java applications. > > I've got mine almost to the point where it's my "personal" computer at work > for everything -- I'm just hampered by the small drive storage, and I don't > think I'll even try to use it as a cd player. Should be able to use it to d/l > mp3 files to my player, though. It does quite well plugged into an ethernet > and with a keyboard and screen, it works like any other w95 computer, if a > leeetle bit slowly. > > > On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:42:48 -0500, "Brad Burean" wrote: > > Just curious as I was thinking about getting my wife one of the 730's, she > > is in to astronomy and it would be a great little machine for her to take > > with her in the field. Why did you want to remove w95? Is it to slow? > > I've seen lot's of batteries on ebay for these things pretty cheap. > > > > Brad > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Code0 Networks > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:24 AM > > Subject: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive > > > > > > > I recently got a TP730T off of eBay. After I received it, I powered it up > > > and played with it. All was fine. I then decided to load Win3.1/DOS 6.22 > > > instead of Win95. I copied all the files via the serial port (got the > > field > > > kit - no floppy) and nuked the original Win95 io.sys, msdos.sys and > > > command.com. I replaced them with the DOS versions and restarted. The > > > computer locked. > > > > > > What I assumed is that I screwed to the MBR on the hard drive. Now I also > > > assume that the way to fix it is either find a computer that can boot off > > a > > > PCMCIA drive and install DOS/fix the MBR. To do this, I would need to know > > > what I could use to do this (no TPs, I don't know anyone who has one - > > > Compaqs maybe?). Or my other idea is to get a floppy drive for the 730 and > > > do it that way - anyone have one for sale cheap? > > > I think that's about it for my rants on this. Any other ideas would be > > > great. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan Bailey > > > > > > > > > P.S. - Also, the batteries in this one are dead (no surprise) would > > similar > > > batteries like RadioShack race car 7.3v work? I know that I can't charge > > > them in the notebook, though... > > > > > > > From cph Sun Aug 20 00:40:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01960 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:40:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16919; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:39:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16775; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out.visi.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16762; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out.visi.com (209.98.98.22 -> kauket.visi.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:39:41 -0400 Received: from zippy (170-112.dynamic.visi.com [209.98.170.112]) by mail-out.visi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B0FA638CC; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:39:28 -0500 (CDT) From: "Chris Schumann" To: "Andy Beals" , "Brad Burean" Cc: "Code0 Networks" , "Thinkpad Users" Subject: IBM's handwriting recognizer (was RE: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:38:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200008191608.e7JG8dA17548@cinnamon.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I have a 750P and found the hand writing recognizer that Microsoft shipped (with Pen for Windows) to be... okay. IBM later shipped me their own and much better recognizer. I can only guess that it will work on a 730T. I have never seen this software available for download from IBM, but I can e-mail it to any interested party. Until then, Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Beals [mailto:bandy@cinnamon.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 11:09 AM > To: Brad Burean > Cc: Code0 Networks; Thinkpad Users; bandy@cinnamon.com > Subject: Re: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive > > > It's definitely neat technology. It's a real computer in a > small form-factor, > and is usable in a hand-held mode. The handwriting recognition > s/w is awful, > especially if you're used to a palm pilot. In fact, a Pilot > might be your > best bet for the little lady. > > As to the batteries on ebay, well, most are well-used. You're > going to have > to buy a lot of batteries to get a good pair. A > charger/conditioner is in > order as well, but the 730t itself will do the best job of > putting an initial > charge on the batteries. > > W95 itself ain't too bad. Some applications [netscape] are > awfully slow, > especially once you start up pages with java applications. > > I've got mine almost to the point where it's my "personal" > computer at work > for everything -- I'm just hampered by the small drive storage, > and I don't > think I'll even try to use it as a cd player. Should be able > to use it to d/l > mp3 files to my player, though. It does quite well plugged > into an ethernet > and with a keyboard and screen, it works like any other w95 > computer, if a > leeetle bit slowly. > > > On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:42:48 -0500, "Brad Burean" > wrote: > > Just curious as I was thinking about getting my wife one of > the 730's, she > > is in to astronomy and it would be a great little machine for > her to take > > with her in the field. Why did you want to remove w95? Is > it to slow? > > I've seen lot's of batteries on ebay for these things pretty cheap. > > > > Brad > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Code0 Networks > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:24 AM > > Subject: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive > > > > > > > I recently got a TP730T off of eBay. After I received it, I > powered it up > > > and played with it. All was fine. I then decided to load > Win3.1/DOS 6.22 > > > instead of Win95. I copied all the files via the serial > port (got the > > field > > > kit - no floppy) and nuked the original Win95 io.sys, msdos.sys and > > > command.com. I replaced them with the DOS versions and > restarted. The > > > computer locked. > > > > > > What I assumed is that I screwed to the MBR on the hard > drive. Now I also > > > assume that the way to fix it is either find a computer > that can boot off > > a > > > PCMCIA drive and install DOS/fix the MBR. To do this, I > would need to know > > > what I could use to do this (no TPs, I don't know anyone > who has one - > > > Compaqs maybe?). Or my other idea is to get a floppy drive > for the 730 and > > > do it that way - anyone have one for sale cheap? > > > I think that's about it for my rants on this. Any other > ideas would be > > > great. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan Bailey > > > > > > > > > P.S. - Also, the batteries in this one are dead (no surprise) would > > similar > > > batteries like RadioShack race car 7.3v work? I know that I > can't charge > > > them in the notebook, though... > > > > > > > > From cph Sun Aug 20 00:40:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01963 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:40:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18905; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:07:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18745; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from regulus.blazenet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18714; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from regulus.blazenet.net (24.104.0.39 -> regulus.blazenet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:07:44 -0400 Received: from mdenison (ip205.45.blca.blazenet.net [24.104.45.205]) by regulus.blazenet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03901; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:16:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mort Denison" To: "Blaine Hufnagle" , Subject: RE: 755CD reliability issues... Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:07:48 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000818193004.01ea86b0@popd.ix.netcom.com> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I have the same problem except with a TP760XD and a Dock II. I bought another NiMH battery, charged it up and was fine. Except I use the one year old bad battery in the TP when it's in the Dock II. I suspect being constantly in the Dock II did the battery in. Mort Denison -----Original Message----- From: Blaine Hufnagle [mailto:powrlftr@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 8:30 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755CD reliability issues... I've got a 755CD that's showing some real problems when running on battery power. I'm trying to determine if I need to throw down the wad of cash I need for a new battery, or go ahead and upgrade to a 76x-class machine. Symptoms: Exceedingly limited battery life; going from fully charged to blinking-battery-LED before it finishes booting Reliable battery life less than 15 minutes, even after reconditioning [These two pretty much say it's a bad battery, but....] Sometimes when it wants to run for more than 20 minutes or so, it'll hard-lock; so hard that even the power switch doesn't work. It takes hitting the reset switch in back to get it to recover. I realize that the manual's promise of 3-3.5 hours on a charge is highly unrealistic, but I'd think that 1.5 hours or so would be within reason. I did have to replace the power board in it. It came with the Li-Ion capable board, but I replaced it with the NiMH board. Would that give me any problems on a P-75 machine? I've not had any real problems so far. Note that it will run flawlessly (or, DID, before I left out last time) for days when in a Dock-II. I'm running WinNT4, SP-6a. Are there any OS issues I should attempt to address? Running NT4 so far has resulted in fairly reliable use, and at one time I was getting two weeks or more of stability with multiple suspend/resume cycles per day. We bought a copy of Open Source Linux to try on it, but I'm concerned about power management under Linux, and since this machine sees stationary usage once every three months or so, power management is critical. This machine runs in a high-vibration environment, and has been subjected to multiple drops from table-top height, albeit onto a padded floor. I did discover last week that one of the tiny screws in the CD-ROM drive had come out and was running loose inside the machine. I extracted it, but it's still having problems. I was thinking that maybe something had gotten shorted, but it seems to behave itself otherwise, and always passes POST. The machine has been remarkably reliable otherwise, especially considering the abuse I give it. What is making me think about upgrading is that most of the few websites I visit regularly have long-since gone to an 800x600 format, and the 640x480 screen of the 755CD is not quite big enough any more. Also worth considering is that while Win2K will load and boot on the machine without incident, it's phenomenally slow, and as such is useless. About all I do on this machine is check e-mail and light-duty web browsing. I do use Excel to run a couple of business spreadsheets to keep track of my mileages. But, nothing that's heavily processor intensive. I was thinking about seeing if I could find a 760-series with a P-133 or so. My problem with the newer machines is the blasted "wrist rest." My hands are big enough that the wrist rest makes touch-typing almost impossible. Anyone got a 760 they'd be willing to part with, CHEAP? ObPersonal to Bill Morrow: How's the freight business? -blaine The Zen Method of Big Rig: Grasshopper, truck will shift itself if you are one with it.- Bill Keith (Cruising the Info-Bahn in a Freightliner dry van :-) DoD #7192 (but no bike) Powerlifting LIFE - The rest is details. http://www.powerbear.com From cph Sun Aug 20 00:40:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01951 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:40:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14552; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:02:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14352; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from email1.smig.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14339; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from email1.smig.net (206.9.120.247 -> email1.smig.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:02:05 -0400 Received: from yar (dal7.smig.net [206.10.49.7]) by email1.smig.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA22415; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:04:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001a01c009f6$2fb0e1e0$0109790a@yar> From: "Jonathan Bailey" To: "Brad Burean" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Re: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:57:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: The reason I wanted to remove 95 was speed. I wanted it to be as fast as possible, but 95 should be good for most users. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Burean To: Code0 Networks Cc: Thinkpad Users Date: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive >Just curious as I was thinking about getting my wife one of the 730's, she >is in to astronomy and it would be a great little machine for her to take >with her in the field. Why did you want to remove w95? Is it to slow? >I've seen lot's of batteries on ebay for these things pretty cheap. > >Brad > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Code0 Networks >To: >Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:24 AM >Subject: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive > > >> I recently got a TP730T off of eBay. After I received it, I powered it up >> and played with it. All was fine. I then decided to load Win3.1/DOS 6.22 >> instead of Win95. I copied all the files via the serial port (got the >field >> kit - no floppy) and nuked the original Win95 io.sys, msdos.sys and >> command.com. I replaced them with the DOS versions and restarted. The >> computer locked. >> >> What I assumed is that I screwed to the MBR on the hard drive. Now I also >> assume that the way to fix it is either find a computer that can boot off >a >> PCMCIA drive and install DOS/fix the MBR. To do this, I would need to know >> what I could use to do this (no TPs, I don't know anyone who has one - >> Compaqs maybe?). Or my other idea is to get a floppy drive for the 730 and >> do it that way - anyone have one for sale cheap? >> I think that's about it for my rants on this. Any other ideas would be >> great. >> >> >> >> Jonathan Bailey >> >> >> P.S. - Also, the batteries in this one are dead (no surprise) would >similar >> batteries like RadioShack race car 7.3v work? I know that I can't charge >> them in the notebook, though... >> > > From cph Sun Aug 20 00:49:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01988 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:49:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11207; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:45:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11037; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11024; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:45:30 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jaxtnt1-216.199.5.85.fdn.com [216.199.5.85]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05760; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399EC78B.44FD@southeast.net> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:44:43 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Code0 Networks CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive References: <000d01c009e9$25ad05a0$0109790a@yar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If I rember right all Thinkpads can boot from a pcmcia drive. I remember that my 755c can. Jim From cph Sun Aug 20 00:49:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01991 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:49:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11923; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:56:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11795; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11782; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:56:37 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.251.103 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 07:55:59 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c009ee$106cb500$67fb163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: 755cx Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:59:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I got a 755cx for my son, it's to replace his old toshiba, The only thing I know about it is that it's a P75, are these things any good? He just has email, and plays a few older games, but his Toshiba which was a 486/50 just started running real slow. IS there much of a differenct between a 486-75 and a Pent 75? It's not here yet and I'm just wondering. Thanks Booger From cph Sun Aug 20 00:49:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01994 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:49:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09937; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:28:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09783; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ficus.frogspace.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09770; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ficus.frogspace.net (64.6.237.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:28:42 -0400 Received: from [209.105.53.145] (helo=yar) by ficus.frogspace.net with smtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 13Q9bx-0005ap-00 for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:28:38 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c009e9$25ad05a0$0109790a@yar> From: "Code0 Networks" To: Subject: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:24:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I recently got a TP730T off of eBay. After I received it, I powered it up and played with it. All was fine. I then decided to load Win3.1/DOS 6.22 instead of Win95. I copied all the files via the serial port (got the field kit - no floppy) and nuked the original Win95 io.sys, msdos.sys and command.com. I replaced them with the DOS versions and restarted. The computer locked. What I assumed is that I screwed to the MBR on the hard drive. Now I also assume that the way to fix it is either find a computer that can boot off a PCMCIA drive and install DOS/fix the MBR. To do this, I would need to know what I could use to do this (no TPs, I don't know anyone who has one - Compaqs maybe?). Or my other idea is to get a floppy drive for the 730 and do it that way - anyone have one for sale cheap? I think that's about it for my rants on this. Any other ideas would be great. Jonathan Bailey P.S. - Also, the batteries in this one are dead (no surprise) would similar batteries like RadioShack race car 7.3v work? I know that I can't charge them in the notebook, though... From cph Sun Aug 20 00:49:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01997 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:49:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10758; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:40:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10623; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10609; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:40:36 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.251.103 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 07:39:24 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c009eb$bfff0660$67fb163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Code0 Networks" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <000d01c009e9$25ad05a0$0109790a@yar> Subject: Re: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:42:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Just curious as I was thinking about getting my wife one of the 730's, she is in to astronomy and it would be a great little machine for her to take with her in the field. Why did you want to remove w95? Is it to slow? I've seen lot's of batteries on ebay for these things pretty cheap. Brad ----- Original Message ----- From: Code0 Networks To: Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:24 AM Subject: [TP730T] Need help restoring hard drive > I recently got a TP730T off of eBay. After I received it, I powered it up > and played with it. All was fine. I then decided to load Win3.1/DOS 6.22 > instead of Win95. I copied all the files via the serial port (got the field > kit - no floppy) and nuked the original Win95 io.sys, msdos.sys and > command.com. I replaced them with the DOS versions and restarted. The > computer locked. > > What I assumed is that I screwed to the MBR on the hard drive. Now I also > assume that the way to fix it is either find a computer that can boot off a > PCMCIA drive and install DOS/fix the MBR. To do this, I would need to know > what I could use to do this (no TPs, I don't know anyone who has one - > Compaqs maybe?). Or my other idea is to get a floppy drive for the 730 and > do it that way - anyone have one for sale cheap? > I think that's about it for my rants on this. Any other ideas would be > great. > > > > Jonathan Bailey > > > P.S. - Also, the batteries in this one are dead (no surprise) would similar > batteries like RadioShack race car 7.3v work? I know that I can't charge > them in the notebook, though... > From cph Sun Aug 20 00:51:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA02011 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:51:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17910; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:49:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17753; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17730; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:49:50 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-113.gate.net [199.227.20.176]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA67982; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:49:39 -0400 Message-ID: <399F6390.C6305567@gate.net> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:50:24 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: D- CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Travelstar HD Install problems References: <399EFF7C.B83A954B@att.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------45C93605662EED6E23DE4EE0" List-Unsubscribe: --------------45C93605662EED6E23DE4EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit either a bad cable or a bad connection.. in my experience, toshiba drives have pins that are ever so slightly larger than their IBM counterparts.. thus the IBM may not be making a good contact.. Alles ist supposition.. :-) D- wrote: > Hey all, long time lurker, first time poster. This is a little OT, > but was hoping someone could help. > > I have an old 166mhz Toshiba Tecra 740CDT on which I am trying to > replace the HD. It came with a 2 gig Toshiba drive that is 16mm > thick. I picked up a 9mm DKLA-24320 4.32 gig IBM travelstar to > replace it with. Here is the problem: > > I can't copy anything to the disk after I install it. I can format > it, fdisk, and "sys.com" it with dos, but I can't copy any directories > to it. If I try to install W95/W98 the computer locks up. I tried > the hard drive utilities from IBM and everything checked out with one > exception: > > When testing the drive using IBM DFT I get the following error: > > 0x41, Bad Cable > > I thought this might be related to the recent threads regarding using > new drives with old caddies, but I don't know if I understand the > situation enough to start breaking off pins. The Travelstar HD pin > out matches the Toshiba HD pin outs exactly, including the 4 jumper > pins. The Toshiba caddy interface fits the new HD exactly the way it > fit on the Tosh HD- i.e. The interface plugs into all the pins except > the last four. > > Any suggestions? > > P.S. I tried a different Toshiba Caddy interface laying around, and > different Travelstar from a friend- same symptoms and "Bad Cable" > error. > > > Thanks -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria --------------45C93605662EED6E23DE4EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit either a bad cable or a bad connection..

in my experience, toshiba drives have pins that are ever so slightly larger than their IBM counterparts..
thus the IBM may <MAY> not be making a good contact..

Alles ist supposition..  :-)

D- wrote:

Hey all, long time lurker, first time poster.  This is a little OT, but was hoping someone could help.

I have an old 166mhz Toshiba Tecra 740CDT on which I am trying to replace the HD.  It came with a 2 gig Toshiba drive that is 16mm thick.  I picked up a 9mm DKLA-24320 4.32 gig IBM travelstar to replace it with.  Here is the problem:

I can't copy anything to the disk after I install it.  I can format it, fdisk, and "sys.com" it with dos, but I can't copy any directories to it.  If I try to install W95/W98 the computer locks up.  I tried the hard drive utilities from IBM and everything checked out with one exception:

When testing the drive using IBM DFT I get the following error:

0x41, Bad Cable

I thought this might be related to the recent threads regarding using new drives with old caddies, but I don't know if I understand the situation enough to start breaking off pins.  The Travelstar HD pin out matches the Toshiba HD pin outs exactly, including the 4 jumper pins.  The Toshiba caddy interface fits the new HD exactly the way it fit on the Tosh HD- i.e.  The interface plugs into all the pins except the last four.

Any suggestions?

P.S. I tried a different Toshiba Caddy interface laying around, and different Travelstar from a friend- same symptoms and "Bad Cable" error.
 

Thanks

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Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
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  --------------45C93605662EED6E23DE4EE0-- From cph Sun Aug 20 00:53:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA02023 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:53:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01397; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 06:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 06:33:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01293; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 06:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01280; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 06:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (194.164.53.205) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 06:33:34 -0400 Received: by mailtest.eyup.org (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.04/2.0) id LAA219.46; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:32:45 +0100 Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:32:44 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: thinkpad Subject: Re: RS6000 help Message-ID: <20000819113244.T116@eyup.org> References: <200008180516_MC2-B032-463D@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: ; from Chris Schumann on Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 09:32:12PM -0500 X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 09:32:12PM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > That sounds VERY unlike IBM. You should escalate the issue if it is > indeed under warranty. Even if it isn't IBM should have plenty of > spare parts around. > > OTOH, you could offer to take a spiffy T20 in exchange... However spiffy a T20 is, it won't run AIX. > My Sony 8mm VCR failed under warranty once. Sony had no parts, > so they replaced the machine with a newer model. > > Good luck, > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Gardiner [mailto:100550.3170@compuserve.com] > > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:16 AM > > To: thinkpad > > Subject: RS6000 help > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about the IBM RS6000 Power PC laptop? > > > > I need a screen ribbon cable for a 850 model... Can ayone help? > > It is only > > 3 years old and IBM will not honour the warranty on it... > > > > Thanks > > > > Mark > > -- John From cph Sun Aug 20 00:55:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA02034 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:55:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18305; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:53:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18175; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18162; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:53:41 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-113.gate.net [199.227.20.176]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA179196; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:53:31 -0400 Message-ID: <399F6477.F515693D@gate.net> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:54:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Lee CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support References: <399F190E.B0F724A4@tp600x.prserv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: OK, i have kept quiet on this subject for long enuf..! all y'all are more or less correct.. reality is that overstock drives wind up on my shelf as well as everyone elses.. a responsible vendor will warrant ANY new HDD for at least a year.. regardless of the source.. if you buy from an individual, THEN it is buyer beware..!! OTH, toshiba has taken care of warranty on their HDD's (so far) regardless of "source".. David Lee wrote: > The HD came from a OEM manufacturer, IBM, Dell, Compaq or whatever > company IBM sold the HD as OEM. It is therefore the responsibility of > that company to provide warranty service for the "entire" original > equipment. > > >I simply bought it from someone > >who upgraded his laptop to a larger size. > The laptop manufacturer should warranty the drive, NOT IBM. > > Intel is the same way. Intel will only provide warranty service if you > bought an Intel BOXED processor with an intel warranty statement, and so > does AMD, and NEC. > > Basically, it is buyer beware! > > -- > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > #include > #include "I_am_become_death.h" > #include "the_destroyer_of_worlds.h" > #include "j_robert_oppenheimer.h" > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > As always all thoughts are my own! Well most of them! ;-) > > -- > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > #include > #include "I_am_become_death.h" > #include "the_destroyer_of_worlds.h" > #include "j_robert_oppenheimer.h" > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > As always all thoughts are my own! Well most of them! ;-) -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sun Aug 20 00:57:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA02052 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:57:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24383; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 04:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 04:49:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24205; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 04:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkstar.qx.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24192; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 04:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkstar.qx.net (208.235.88.101 -> darkstar.qx.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 04:49:48 -0400 Received: from mabon (208-32-51-29.danville.qx.net [208.32.51.29]) by darkstar.qx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA10931; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 04:49:44 -0400 Message-ID: <00cf01c009b3$781f7f60$1000a8c0@mabon> From: "Don Klapper" To: "Matt Winston" , References: <00eb01c0096a$e94b8d80$0201a8c0@mlw> Subject: Re: 730T and penpoint software Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 03:59:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C00991.EFD81E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C00991.EFD81E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used Ghost to create a image of my 730T's drive. Removed the drive = >from the 730T and inserted it into my 365X and then ran Ghost from the = 365X. Afterwards I copied the image from the 365 to my network and = burned it to CD-R. Don Klapper mabon@qx.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matt Winston=20 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu=20 Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 7:20 PM Subject: 730T and penpoint software Got a copy of this old, but seemingly useful software on a pcmcia disk = drive. I'd like to make a backup copy, but not sure how to duplicate a pcmcia = drive. Any idea if there's any application software around? Thanks for sugestions, Matt Winston mattwinston@ameritech.net ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C00991.EFD81E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I used Ghost to create a image of my = 730T's drive.=20 Removed the drive from the 730T and inserted it into my 365X and then = ran Ghost=20 >from the 365X. Afterwards I copied the image from the 365 to my network = and=20 burned it to CD-R.
 
Don Klapper
mabon@qx.net
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Matt Winston
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 = 7:20=20 PM
Subject: 730T and penpoint = software

Got a copy of this old, but seemingly useful = software=20 on a pcmcia disk drive.
I'd like to make a backup copy, but not sure = how to=20 duplicate a pcmcia drive.
Any idea if there's any application software=20 around?
Thanks for sugestions,
 
Matt Winston
mattwinston@ameritech.net
 
------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C00991.EFD81E80-- From cph Sun Aug 20 00:57:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA02055 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:57:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14051; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:27:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13827; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13814; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:27:20 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-79.gate.net [207.36.212.79]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA109576; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:27:16 -0400 Message-ID: <399E0CC8.4E3D90E6@gate.net> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:27:52 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Blaine Hufnagle CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755CD reliability issues... References: <3.0.6.32.20000818193004.01ea86b0@popd.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Blaine.. heh heh.. well, the freight business is still alive.. barely.. but alive.. i sure hope it will become a source of income tax liability rather than a great but costly writeoff.. what did the dirt was a trucker in arizona, D&H (i think) who stiffed us to the tune of $12k and a couple of bad drivers who delivered a short load.. 75 cases short on one.. so, hopefully the company will survive and.. well.. :-) 1. I vote for the battery.. 2. not sure what effect the NiMH board in the machine is going to have, but you should be running with a NiMH battery.. 3. check to see if there is a loose washer shorting something.. like the second battery connector under the CD-ROM.. 4. if you DO choose to upgrade, i suggest a used 770 series or a used 600.... skip the 760 series since i think you'll find the price differential less than the difference between the two models.. 5 AND, if you are not using the machine for more than you say, go back to win95B.. which will run so much faster.. now, don't drive that truck off the road.. keep your log up to date.. ;-) and only buy good diesel.. Blaine Hufnagle wrote: > I've got a 755CD that's showing some real problems when running on battery > power. I'm trying to determine if I need to throw down the wad of cash I > need for a new battery, or go ahead and upgrade to a 76x-class machine. > > Symptoms: > > Exceedingly limited battery life; going from fully charged to > blinking-battery-LED before it finishes booting > > Reliable battery life less than 15 minutes, even after reconditioning > > [These two pretty much say it's a bad battery, but....] > > Sometimes when it wants to run for more than 20 minutes or so, it'll > hard-lock; so hard that even the power switch doesn't work. It takes > hitting the reset switch in back to get it to recover. > > I realize that the manual's promise of 3-3.5 hours on a charge is highly > unrealistic, but I'd think that 1.5 hours or so would be within reason. > > I did have to replace the power board in it. It came with the Li-Ion > capable board, but I replaced it with the NiMH board. Would that give me > any problems on a P-75 machine? I've not had any real problems so far. > > Note that it will run flawlessly (or, DID, before I left out last time) for > days when in a Dock-II. > > I'm running WinNT4, SP-6a. Are there any OS issues I should attempt to > address? Running NT4 so far has resulted in fairly reliable use, and at > one time I was getting two weeks or more of stability with multiple > suspend/resume cycles per day. > > We bought a copy of Open Source Linux to try on it, but I'm concerned about > power management under Linux, and since this machine sees stationary usage > once every three months or so, power management is critical. > > This machine runs in a high-vibration environment, and has been subjected > to multiple drops from table-top height, albeit onto a padded floor. I did > discover last week that one of the tiny screws in the CD-ROM drive had come > out and was running loose inside the machine. I extracted it, but it's > still having problems. I was thinking that maybe something had gotten > shorted, but it seems to behave itself otherwise, and always passes POST. > > The machine has been remarkably reliable otherwise, especially considering > the abuse I give it. What is making me think about upgrading is that most > of the few websites I visit regularly have long-since gone to an 800x600 > format, and the 640x480 screen of the 755CD is not quite big enough any > more. Also worth considering is that while Win2K will load and boot on the > machine without incident, it's phenomenally slow, and as such is useless. > > About all I do on this machine is check e-mail and light-duty web browsing. > I do use Excel to run a couple of business spreadsheets to keep track of > my mileages. But, nothing that's heavily processor intensive. I was > thinking about seeing if I could find a 760-series with a P-133 or so. My > problem with the newer machines is the blasted "wrist rest." My hands are > big enough that the wrist rest makes touch-typing almost impossible. > Anyone got a 760 they'd be willing to part with, CHEAP? > > ObPersonal to Bill Morrow: How's the freight business? > > -blaine > The Zen Method of Big Rig: Grasshopper, truck will shift itself if you are > one with it.- Bill Keith (Cruising the Info-Bahn in a Freightliner dry van :-) > DoD #7192 (but no bike) Powerlifting LIFE - The rest is details. > http://www.powerbear.com -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sun Aug 20 02:10:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA02319 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:10:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20354; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:06:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20218; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20205; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:06:57 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-113.gate.net [199.227.20.176]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA159972; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:06:54 -0400 Message-ID: <399F75A4.E6C6704A@gate.net> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:07:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mort Denison CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP760XD Login Lockup References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mort... i vaguely recall something about external mouse and keyboard but it is too far gone.. so.. just be sure that the bios is the latest version.. also, FWIW, the dock-2 was not really the correct dock.. the selectadock series was made for the 760X series.. (really the 760E series and newer.. Mort Denison wrote: > I bought a 760XD for my wife's occasional use over a year ago. > > I've got it in a Dock II with an external IBM keyboard and a Logitech mouse. > > I've got her and myself set up under two different accounts using Microsoft > Family. > > On boot up (and reboot) the mouse and keyboard freeze at the login screen. > One or more power off and on cycles fixes it until the next time. There's > never an error message. I've tried it using another known, good Dock II. > The Adaptec SCSI bios is turned off. > > There's no unusual software on it - Windows 98 SE, Microsoft Office 97. I > originally thought it was Norton AntiVirus, but uninstalling it didn't fix > the problem. I've got LogiTech's latest drivers on it. > > Does anyone have an suggestions before I call IBM technical support. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sun Aug 20 02:16:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA02342 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:16:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20886; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:13:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20738; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web110.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20707; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web110.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.80 -> web110.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:13:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 2585 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2000 06:13:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000820061311.2584.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web110.yahoomail.com; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 23:13:11 PDT Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 23:13:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id CAA20886 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA02343 So are you saying that IBM isn't responsible since they don't provide any warranty at all? I agree, but what can be done about it? --- Bill Morrow wrote: > OK, i have kept quiet on this subject for long > enuf..! > > all y'all are more or less correct.. > > reality is that overstock drives wind up on my shelf > as well as everyone > elses.. > a responsible vendor will warrant ANY new HDD for at > least a year.. > regardless of the source.. ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun Aug 20 03:25:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA02489 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 03:25:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23370; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 03:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 03:22:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23174; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 03:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23158; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 03:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 03:22:12 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA19153; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:18:19 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001901c00a76$dcd466a0$fa8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Steve C." , References: <20000819223212.1475.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Hard drive keeps recalibrating Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:18:30 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "No, not gray market. I simply bought it from someone who upgraded his laptop to a larger size." 'Grey market' is not a pejorative term (or synonym for 'illegal'), as people often think. It just means that the drive was distributed through a channel other than the usual authorized dealer network.. In this case, IBM OEMed the drive for Acer, but for reasons that are likely perfectly legitimate (e.g., possibly Acer changed specs on the intended machine, and sold the remaining drives to a liquidator) it was sold to your machine's previous owner not as part of an Acer product. That makes it grey market, as opposed to buying a retail-packaged IBM drive from a factory authorized dealer. Such goods are often sold "as is", or with at best a dealer warrantee (do you know who sold it to the previous owner?), to keep the price down. If that is the case here, it is unreasonable to blame IBM or Acer for being unwilling to replace or repair it. "> saw a 12 gig travelstar for > $175 w/full warrantee, What do you mean by "full warrantee"? From the vendor?" If the vendor is an IBM-authorized dealer, then they can offer an IBM warrantee. I believe that the retail travelstar drives carry a 3-year IBM warrantee. It is possible that to take advantage of this warrantee you might have to work through the vendor instead of through IBM. "IBM said they don't provide any warranty at all unless you buy the drive from them." This might have been a specific comment about your drive, not their drives in general. "How many people buy directly from IBM?" Quite a few, actually:-) As to what you can do now, you might try hunting down the vendor who sold the drive to the previous owner, but I would guess that you will have a struggle to get satisfaction in that direction. In your shoes at this point I would just try to get another working drive into my machine as fast and as inexpensively as possible. - David R. From cph Sun Aug 20 08:29:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA12983 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:29:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07088; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:25:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06772; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06740; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:25:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 26399 invoked by uid 66); 20 Aug 2000 12:33:34 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Sun Aug 20 12:33:34 2000 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 2425) id 80ACCBDEF; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:01:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Harald Milz Subject: Re: TP600E: What audio chip am I using ? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu References: <200008192111.XAA19882@mail.swissonline.ch> Organization: X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Message-Id: <20000820090146.80ACCBDEF@seneca.muc.de> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:01:46 +0200 (CEST) Sender: hm@seneca.muc.de List-Unsubscribe: Francois Hurter wrote: > I have a ThinkPad 600E type 2645-550 > How can I know what kind of sound chip this laptop uses ? CS4236B, mostly. -- When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows", people just stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, *for free*". - Linus Torvalds in <3itc77$9lj@ninurta.fer.uni-lj.si> From cph Sun Aug 20 08:29:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA12987 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:29:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07092; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:25:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06760; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06737; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:25:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 26387 invoked by uid 66); 20 Aug 2000 12:33:33 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Sun Aug 20 12:33:33 2000 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 2425) id 76D70BDED; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:01:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Harald Milz Subject: Re: RS6000 help To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu References: <200008180516_MC2-B032-463D@compuserve.com> <20000819113244.T116@eyup.org> Organization: X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Message-Id: <20000820090117.76D70BDED@seneca.muc.de> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:01:17 +0200 (CEST) Sender: hm@seneca.muc.de List-Unsubscribe: John Poltorak wrote: > However spiffy a T20 is, it won't run AIX. But it runs Linux w/ LVM and a choice of journaling filesystems, and if you can spare SMIT it is pretty damn close to AIX. I have been using AIX for quite some time, and am very happy with my 600E and Linux as described. This has also the advantage that the batteries last longer than 45 minutes, and that you can actually _carry_ the machine. The 850 and 860's are as heavy as lead. -- The debate rages on: Is PL/I Bachtrian or Dromedary? From cph Sun Aug 20 09:55:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA13204 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 09:55:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09520; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 09:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 09:52:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09345; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 09:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out.visi.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09329; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 09:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out.visi.com (209.98.98.22 -> kauket.visi.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 09:52:49 -0400 Received: from zippy (170-54.dynamic.visi.com [209.98.170.54]) by mail-out.visi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 681364176 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:52:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "Chris Schumann" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: IBM's handwriting recognizer Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:52:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I have put IBM's handwriting recognizer on a web site for interested parties to download. Note that this is only supposed to work with Windows for Pen Computing 1.0 that works on Windows 3.x. Windows 95 has Pen Computing 2.0 and may be incompatible. Also note that (last I remember) this software consumed 4MB of RAM by itself. Running it on my 4MB 750P was unusably slow and I did not try it with the 20MB in there now. The URL: http://alpha.twp-llc.com/~chris/thinkwr.zip So far seven people from the list have asked me for this, so if you try this, please let us all know how it works. Enjoy! Chris From cph Sun Aug 20 09:59:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA13212 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 09:59:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10038; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 09:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 09:56:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09756; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 09:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09743; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 09:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (24.131.172.171 -> el10-24-131-172-171.ce.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 09:56:29 -0400 Received: from uic.edu ([172.16.172.99] [172.16.172.99] ) by yanos.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 09:56:23 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:56:22 -0500 (CDT) From: George Yanos Reply-To: George Yanos To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: RS6000 help In-Reply-To: <20000820090117.76D70BDED@seneca.muc.de> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: gyanos@tigger.cc.uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Harald Milz wrote: >John Poltorak wrote: >> However spiffy a T20 is, it won't run AIX. > >But it runs Linux w/ LVM and a choice of journaling filesystems, and if you Really? Same LVM as os/2? >can spare SMIT it is pretty damn close to AIX. I have been using AIX for >quite some time, and am very happy with my 600E and Linux as described. >This has also the advantage that the batteries last longer than 45 minutes, >and that you can actually _carry_ the machine. The 850 and 860's are as heavy >as lead. > >-- >The debate rages on: Is PL/I Bachtrian or Dromedary? Neigher. It is an aplaca. ********************************************************************* * George Yanos * Urban Sprawl Symposium * * UTC at UIC * Urban Transportation Center and * * 312-413-0059(w) * Metropolitan Transportation Support Initative * * 708-848-4221(h) * Circle Center, 750 South Halsted, Chicago * * * September 8, 2000 8:30am to 5:00pm * * gyanos@uic.edu * Registration: 312-996-4820 / stauffer@uic.edu * ********************************************************************* From cph Sun Aug 20 11:05:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA13451 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:05:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13073; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:03:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12920; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12907; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:03:13 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.183.166 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:02:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c00ab8$26b796c0$a6b71b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Space saver keyboard Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 10:05:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I though I saw a email a bit back on someone looking for one of these. Go to ebay and enter 408500033 on the search and here's one. Brad From cph Sun Aug 20 12:08:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA13619 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:08:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15215; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:06:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15047; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15034; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:05:58 -0400 Received: from att.net ([12.74.13.91]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000820160556.WCLA9297.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@att.net>; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:05:56 +0000 Message-ID: <39A001DA.28A0D646@att.net> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:05:46 -0500 From: D- X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: penzance@gate.net CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Travelstar HD Install problems References: <399EFF7C.B83A954B@att.net> <399F6390.C6305567@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi Bill- I am kinda leaning in this direction- it must be the cable. I have tried to different Travelstar drives and two Toshiba cables (same part #), and I get the same set of errors. The Travelstar came with a caddie and interface cable- unfortunately the IBM cable is not the right size for my Tecra. What cable/caddie should I purchase to make the Travelstar work in the Toshiba? As I have two Toshiba interface cables that aren't working- it might be time to go third party, or better yet IBM the whole way. But obviously I am limited by the interface plug size on the computer itself. What still perplexes me is that I have seen people do this upgrade with this very drive and it is just plug it in and go. I can't understand why the drive(s) are acting this way. I would be more comfortable if they were completely DOA, rather than half alive. I have researched the pin outs on both the old Toshiba and new Travelstar and they are the same. However the old drive is ATA-2/3 and the Travelstar is ATA-4. Other than that no differences. > either a bad cable or a bad connection.. > > in my experience, toshiba drives have pins that are ever so slightly larger than their IBM counterparts.. > thus the IBM may not be making a good contact.. > > Alles ist supposition.. :-) > > D- wrote: > > > Hey all, long time lurker, first time poster. This is a little OT, but was hoping someone could help. > > > > I have an old 166mhz Toshiba Tecra 740CDT on which I am trying to replace the HD. It came with a 2 gig Toshiba drive that is 16mm thick. I picked up a 9mm DKLA-24320 4.32 gig IBM travelstar to replace it with. Here is the problem: > > > > I can't copy anything to the disk after I install it. I can format it, fdisk, and "sys.com" it with dos, but I can't copy any directories to it. If I try to install W95/W98 the computer locks up. I tried the hard drive utilities from IBM and everything checked out with one exception: > > > > When testing the drive using IBM DFT I get the following error: > > > > 0x41, Bad Cable > > > > I thought this might be related to the recent threads regarding using new drives with old caddies, but I don't know if I understand the situation enough to start breaking off pins. The Travelstar HD pin out matches the Toshiba HD pin outs exactly, including the 4 jumper pins. The Toshiba caddy interface fits the new HD exactly the way it fit on the Tosh HD- i.e. The interface plugs into all the pins except the last four. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > P.S. I tried a different Toshiba Caddy interface laying around, and different Travelstar from a friend- same symptoms and "Bad Cable" error. > > > > > > Thanks From cph Sun Aug 20 12:13:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA13635 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:13:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15592; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:11:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15449; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15435; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:11:32 -0400 Received: from att.net ([12.74.13.91]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000820161130.WDLA9297.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@att.net>; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:11:30 +0000 Message-ID: <39A00328.86E7A2E2@att.net> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:11:20 -0500 From: D- X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: penzance@gate.net, "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Travelstar HD Install problems References: <399EFF7C.B83A954B@att.net> <399F6390.C6305567@gate.net> <39A001DA.28A0D646@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: PS- On second thought, could it be the cable if the pin outs on both the old and new drives are the same? The cable is correct for the computer, and if the drive pin outs are the same it should work correctly. What a mess. > Hi Bill- > > I am kinda leaning in this direction- it must be the cable. I have tried to different Travelstar drives and two Toshiba cables (same part #), and I get the same set of errors. > > The Travelstar came with a caddie and interface cable- unfortunately the IBM cable is not the right size for my Tecra. What cable/caddie should I purchase to make the Travelstar work in the Toshiba? As I have two Toshiba interface cables that aren't working- it might be time to go third party, or better yet IBM the whole way. But obviously I am limited by the interface plug size on the computer itself. > > What still perplexes me is that I have seen people do this upgrade with this very drive and it is just plug it in and go. I can't understand why the drive(s) are acting this way. I would be more comfortable if they were completely DOA, rather than half alive. > > I have researched the pin outs on both the old Toshiba and new Travelstar and they are the same. However the old drive is ATA-2/3 and the Travelstar is ATA-4. Other than that no differences. > > > either a bad cable or a bad connection.. > > > > in my experience, toshiba drives have pins that are ever so slightly larger than their IBM counterparts.. > > thus the IBM may not be making a good contact.. > > > > Alles ist supposition.. :-) > > > > D- wrote: > > > > > Hey all, long time lurker, first time poster. This is a little OT, but was hoping someone could help. > > > > > > I have an old 166mhz Toshiba Tecra 740CDT on which I am trying to replace the HD. It came with a 2 gig Toshiba drive that is 16mm thick. I picked up a 9mm DKLA-24320 4.32 gig IBM travelstar to replace it with. Here is the problem: > > > > > > I can't copy anything to the disk after I install it. I can format it, fdisk, and "sys.com" it with dos, but I can't copy any directories to it. If I try to install W95/W98 the computer locks up. I tried the hard drive utilities from IBM and everything checked out with one exception: > > > > > > When testing the drive using IBM DFT I get the following error: > > > > > > 0x41, Bad Cable > > > > > > I thought this might be related to the recent threads regarding using new drives with old caddies, but I don't know if I understand the situation enough to start breaking off pins. The Travelstar HD pin out matches the Toshiba HD pin outs exactly, including the 4 jumper pins. The Toshiba caddy interface fits the new HD exactly the way it fit on the Tosh HD- i.e. The interface plugs into all the pins except the last four. > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > P.S. I tried a different Toshiba Caddy interface laying around, and different Travelstar from a friend- same symptoms and "Bad Cable" error. > > > > > > > > > Thanks From cph Sun Aug 20 13:38:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA13886 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:38:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19326; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:36:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19152; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19139; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:36:20 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13QZ19-0000MR-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:36:19 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.57] (helo=isdn30-57.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13QZ18-0004s1-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:36:18 +0000 From: John Small To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: subscribe Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:36:18 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA13887 subscribe From cph Sun Aug 20 13:52:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA13920 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:52:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20185; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:51:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20050; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad1 (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20037; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad1 (12.79.29.164 -> 164.morristown-18-19rs.nj.dial-access.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:51:09 -0400 Message-ID: <007b01c00acf$2885cfa0$a41d4f0c@thinkpad1> From: "Donald Mak" To: References: <399EFF7C.B83A954B@att.net> <399F6390.C6305567@gate.net> <39A001DA.28A0D646@att.net> <39A00328.86E7A2E2@att.net> Subject: Re: VMWare and linux.. Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:49:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: I have used VMWare and found performance to be an issue plus if I booted linux through windows then the network adapter would only work in windows and not in Linux. Perhaps I had some setup issues but with the slow performance I would rather just boot into the OS I needed and in the end I was able to do what I needed much faster. This may be off topic for this list but I really found this to be a great deal for developers so I'll include it anyway... I was at the Oracle idevelop conference in NY last week and Sun had a kiosk there. They are offering developers a Sun Workstation that has the Sun PCI card so you can run Windows as well as Solaris. The price is 2995 (almost half off the list price). You can find the details at http://sun.com/idevelop Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "D-" To: ; Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Travelstar HD Install problems > PS- On second thought, could it be the cable if the pin outs on both the old and new drives are the same? The cable is correct for the computer, and if the drive pin outs are the same it should work correctly. > > What a mess. > > > > > Hi Bill- > > > > I am kinda leaning in this direction- it must be the cable. I have tried to different Travelstar drives and two Toshiba cables (same part #), and I get the same set of errors. > > > > The Travelstar came with a caddie and interface cable- unfortunately the IBM cable is not the right size for my Tecra. What cable/caddie should I purchase to make the Travelstar work in the Toshiba? As I have two Toshiba interface cables that aren't working- it might be time to go third party, or better yet IBM the whole way. But obviously I am limited by the interface plug size on the computer itself. > > > > What still perplexes me is that I have seen people do this upgrade with this very drive and it is just plug it in and go. I can't understand why the drive(s) are acting this way. I would be more comfortable if they were completely DOA, rather than half alive. > > > > I have researched the pin outs on both the old Toshiba and new Travelstar and they are the same. However the old drive is ATA-2/3 and the Travelstar is ATA-4. Other than that no differences. > > > > > either a bad cable or a bad connection.. > > > > > > in my experience, toshiba drives have pins that are ever so slightly larger than their IBM counterparts.. > > > thus the IBM may not be making a good contact.. > > > > > > Alles ist supposition.. :-) > > > > > > D- wrote: > > > > > > > Hey all, long time lurker, first time poster. This is a little OT, but was hoping someone could help. > > > > > > > > I have an old 166mhz Toshiba Tecra 740CDT on which I am trying to replace the HD. It came with a 2 gig Toshiba drive that is 16mm thick. I picked up a 9mm DKLA-24320 4.32 gig IBM travelstar to replace it with. Here is the problem: > > > > > > > > I can't copy anything to the disk after I install it. I can format it, fdisk, and "sys.com" it with dos, but I can't copy any directories to it. If I try to install W95/W98 the computer locks up. I tried the hard drive utilities from IBM and everything checked out with one exception: > > > > > > > > When testing the drive using IBM DFT I get the following error: > > > > > > > > 0x41, Bad Cable > > > > > > > > I thought this might be related to the recent threads regarding using new drives with old caddies, but I don't know if I understand the situation enough to start breaking off pins. The Travelstar HD pin out matches the Toshiba HD pin outs exactly, including the 4 jumper pins. The Toshiba caddy interface fits the new HD exactly the way it fit on the Tosh HD- i.e. The interface plugs into all the pins except the last four. > > > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > > > P.S. I tried a different Toshiba Caddy interface laying around, and different Travelstar from a friend- same symptoms and "Bad Cable" error. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > From cph Sun Aug 20 16:14:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA14435 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:14:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01385; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:10:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00094; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00080; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (129.250.36.43 -> dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:10:41 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13QbQV-0003f2-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:10:39 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.57] (helo=isdn30-57.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13QbQV-00042V-00 for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:10:39 +0000 From: John Small To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP560] Upgrade to Travelstar 12GN? Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 15:10:39 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA14436 I would like to pull the 2.1gb Toshiba I have on my 560 (just a 560, not an E, etc.) and replace it with an IBM 12GN (DATA-212000) 12.06gb drive. The problem I am having is that when the drive is in the 560 halts after the POST. I think this is because the BIOS will not handle larger than 8.4gb (and so the popular 6.4gb is the largest commonly used). However I believe Disk Manager can be made to work around this barrier ... that is it's purpose. However I am not sure how to setup the 12.1gb drive with it since the TP bios will not read it (oddly, the BIOS check in Easy Setup shows the drive to be 'OK' and in fact operates the drive!). Nor will the floppy boot. So I have obtained a 40-pin IDE adapter for using the drive on a desktop. This works but still I am unsure how to prepare the drive while it is on the desktop. Am I on the right track? I am beginning to suspect the BIOS may be limiting me to 8.4gb and there's no way round it except to return the 12gb and pick up a 6.4 gb drive. Any suggestions? Thanks. -jts INTRO - Two ThinkPad's: 701C and 560. This is after numerous other notebooks and laptops. The 560 has been near perfect for my use. This one has P120, 40mb ram, 2.1gb Toshiba hd. I run it on a home network using a Megahertz 28.8/network pcmcia card. Then I use the other slot for various devices. I would like to have USB and a cdrom built in but not at the expense of more size and/or weight. Faster processor, cache and more ram is always welcome! Tell the truth, I have not been looking, don't not know what marvels IBM has come out with since leaving CompuServe and the excellent ThinkPad forum in 1998 ... but I think only upgrading the hd will hold me for a while longer. I'm running Win95, 98 and NT 4.0 but suspect everything in my home (towers and notebooks) will be all Win98 before long. My first 'notebook' was a Kaypro 10! I also used but did not own the Osborne 1. I also find handheld devices useful. TRGpro (for Palm OS and CF expandability) and Compaq iPAC (WinCE 3.0 aka PocketPC looks like it might make these devices genuinely useful). From cph Sun Aug 20 16:22:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA14453 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:22:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04790; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:19:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03567; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03545; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten2.mcs.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:19:41 -0400 Received: from Atreyu.the-strategis (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10765 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 15:19:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from heiby@falkor.chi.il.us) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 15:16:56 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <14761439008.20000820151656@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: IBM OEM Hard drive support In-reply-To: <20000820061311.2584.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> References: <20000820061311.2584.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sunday, August 20, 2000, 1:13:11 AM, Steve wrote: > So are you saying that IBM isn't responsible since > they don't provide any warranty at all? I agree, but > what can be done about it? Each individual consumer can decide whether they want to accept the risks of purchasing an item without warranty at a (usually) lesser price or purchase an item with warranty at a (usually) higher price. That way, everyone is happy. The problem comes in when ill informed consumers purchase an item without warranty and assume that it has one. This is generally not the fault of the original manufacturer. In some cases, this is the fault of the consumer. In some cases, this is the fault of the party from whom the consumer purchased the item. It is only the fault of the manufacturer (potentially) in cases where the item was purchased directly from the manufacturer. One way, as consumers, we can be careful about this is to use the following mantra before finalizing a purchase of any sort (computer hardware, home electronics, vehicles, etc.): "What sort of warranty covers this item?" Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. iQA/AwUBOaA8s28pw+2/9pUJEQLdpgCgy1Lwcpr40xgJyUHuiufJWpj1OCcAoLEo XZAao6TlkjK00P1yCpbkwQcu =xOo+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Sun Aug 20 16:41:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA14552 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:41:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07223; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:37:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06542; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web108.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06472; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web108.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.75 -> web108.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:36:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 27353 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2000 20:36:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20000820203657.27352.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web108.yahoomail.com; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:36:57 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:36:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Re[2]: IBM OEM Hard drive support To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id QAA07223 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA14553 What's all this nonsense Ron? Are you a lawyer for IBM? Can you see how consumers could be "ill informed" when Western Digital provides a 3 year warranty and IBM provides none? Just check both their websites. WD has on-line warranty verification and RMA generation on even their cheapest drives and IBM has nothing like that! Of course nobody has any reason to check into that kind of thing until they find themselves in a position where they need to do it. --- "Ronald W. Heiby" wrote: > > Sunday, August 20, 2000, 1:13:11 AM, Steve wrote: > > So are you saying that IBM isn't responsible since > > they don't provide any warranty at all? I agree, > but > > what can be done about it? > > Each individual consumer can decide whether they > want to accept the > risks of purchasing an item without warranty at a > (usually) lesser > price or purchase an item with warranty at a > (usually) higher price. > That way, everyone is happy. > > The problem comes in when ill informed consumers > purchase an item > without warranty and assume that it has one. This is > generally not the > fault of the original manufacturer. In some cases, > this is the fault > of the consumer. In some cases, this is the fault of > the party from > whom the consumer purchased the item. It is only the > fault of the > manufacturer (potentially) in cases where the item > was purchased > directly from the manufacturer. > > One way, as consumers, we can be careful about this > is to use the > following mantra before finalizing a purchase of any > sort (computer > hardware, home electronics, vehicles, etc.): > > "What sort of warranty covers this item?" > > Ron. > ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun Aug 20 17:04:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA14661 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:04:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10717; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:01:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09854; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09841; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:01:39 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02191 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39A0472C.5376D730@stanford.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:01:32 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support References: <20000820203657.27352.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: "Steve C." wrote: > > What's all this nonsense Ron? Are you a lawyer for > IBM? > Can you see how consumers could be "ill informed" when > Western Digital provides a 3 year warranty and IBM > provides none? Just check both their websites. WD has > on-line warranty verification and RMA generation on > even their cheapest drives and IBM has nothing like > that! Of course nobody has any reason to check into > that kind of thing until they find themselves in a > position where they need to do it. > On the contrary, I agree with Ron's "smart consumer" philosophy, that you should NEVER assume anything. I'm only speaking for myself, but one of my pet peeves is people who assume something that isn't specified, buy a product and then accuse you of deliberately misinforming them. Bottomline: if you didn't check before buying, it's YOUR fault. Assuming that whoever sold you the product is there to help you is plain stupidity - they're there to make a profit, not help you. Customer support exists only because enough consumers bitch about it and are willing to not buy the product otherwise. A corporation, and indeed any commercial entity, cares about its customers only in the sense that it wants them to be happy enough to come back for more. I may sound cynical, but it's the only realistic way (for me) to buy/sell things. Benjamin -- Clickdough(paid surfing): Sun, Mac (68k/PPC), and PC (no IE 4!) https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Sun Aug 20 17:36:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA14805 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:36:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16967; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:25:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16659; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16645; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten2.mcs.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:25:33 -0400 Received: from Atreyu.the-strategis (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16378 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:25:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from heiby@falkor.chi.il.us) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:24:58 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <8265521822.20000820162458@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[4]: IBM OEM Hard drive support In-reply-To: <20000820203657.27352.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> References: <20000820203657.27352.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sunday, August 20, 2000, 3:36:57 PM, Steve wrote: > What's all this nonsense Ron? Are you a lawyer for IBM? No, just an adult who has learned some of what it means to take adult responsibility for my actions and decisions. > Can you see how consumers could be "ill informed" when Western > Digital provides a 3 year warranty and IBM provides none? Just > check both their websites. WD has on-line warranty verification and > RMA generation on even their cheapest drives and IBM has nothing > like that! I can see how many consumers can be ill informed about a great many things. You, at least, are one who knows how to become informed. If you can get a straight answer from W.D. and cannot get one from IBM, then you should take that into account when you make your purchase decision. Ever buy a new car without knowing what kind of warranty coverage it had? Ever buy a used car without knowing the same thing? I look at the warranty an pretty much anything that costs enough that it would be worth my time and trouble to send back to the manufacturer rather than throw away and buy new. If something costs $15, I don't look for a warranty. If something costs $150, I glance at the warranty. If something costs $1,500, I study the warranty. If something costs $15,000, I see if I can buy an extended warranty. If someone else does not do this, I don't have much sympathy for them when they find out that they don't have the protection they assumed they did. (You know what ass-u-me means, don't you?) I don't know what sort of warranty comes on vehicles that go into service at car rental agencies. But, it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't cut a deal with the manufacturer for a lower price, in exchange for no more than a 12 month warranty, or none at all. Someone buying such a car from the car rental place after the year was over has no right to expect the manufacturer to provide any more warranty service than they were originally compensated to provide. Presumably, the person buying the used car from the rental agency got a better price than if they bought a similar vehicle that still had two years of warranty coverage. Of course, if the rental agency represents that the car has some warranty on it, they must stand behind that representation, even if the manufacturer has no responsibility for paying for a repair. > Of course nobody has any reason to check into > that kind of thing until they find themselves in a > position where they need to do it. No one has any reason to check into auto insurance until they find themselves in an accident, either. Same with health insurance. Same with a lot of things. You don't need it unless you need it. If you want the protection and peace of mind of some kind of insurance, whether life, health, auto, or product warranty, then you had better check into it before you actually need it. Once you need it, it may be too late. (No, I am not an insurance salesperson, either. But, I do have several policies that I have not needed, yet.) Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. iQA/AwUBOaBMpW8pw+2/9pUJEQKbxACg6kPjbooTp91s/wPJNpcLqIGHhiAAn02D Yz3dFCnf1K04ugWeMVapt9gZ =pE7s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Sun Aug 20 19:00:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA15188 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:00:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21171; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:57:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20831; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20817; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:57:15 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA20382; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:57:08 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002901c00afa$0242ae00$d95b183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Steve C." , References: <20000820203657.27352.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: IBM OEM Hard drive support Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:57:20 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "Western Digital provides a 3 year warranty and IBM provides none?" IBM provides a 3 year warrantee on travelstar drives sold as IBM travelstar drives through authorized dealers. They have warrantee information on their website at http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/hdwarranty.htm where it is made clear that OEM drives are excluded. Warrantee lengths on specific drives can be found as part of their specs, e.g. http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/tr12gn.htm for the 12gn series drives. "WD has on-line warranty verification and RMA generation on even their cheapest drives and IBM has nothing like that! " Does WD warrant laptop drives they have produced for integration into laptops from other manufacturers? Are these listed on their website? Normally, if manufacturer A makes a product for manufacturer B according to B's specs, the product does not appear in A's public list of products. For any non-OEM product IBM manufactures, you can get information about remaining warrantee life by phoning IBM and giving them the serial number of the product. - David R. From cph Sun Aug 20 19:10:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA15224 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:10:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21815; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:07:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21502; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21478; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:07:22 -0400 Received: from user-38ld43s.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld43s.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.144.124]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA22345; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008202307.TAA22345@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "David Ross" , "Thinkpad Users" Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <000c01c00a26$84802700$6c62183f@math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP-older] AMD133 (was: Re: 755cx) List-Unsubscribe: Looks like the benches you present all support the same conclusion, that the AMD133's relative speed is a jump up. If you had beefed the cache to 1Mb, your spread would have been greater. BTW, do you remember the p83 plug in for the 486 machines" I tried one for fun, but the AMD133 blew it away. On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:43:26 -1000, David Ross wrote: >"My AMD133 (486 socket plug-in) tests the >same as a p90. The difference is produced >by more L1 cache." > >The AMD133 is faster than an Intel 486-133 would be, if such a thing >existed. > >The relative speed of the AMD chip depends a lot on the benchmark being >used; >I have a web page devoted to this >(http://www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross/cpu.shtml); >it says something about the popularity of old technology that it >continues to be >oft-viewed (over 1200 hits since I added a hit counter about a year >ago). > >- David R. > > From cph Sun Aug 20 19:52:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA15345 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:52:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23602; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:48:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23296; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23283; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (206.191.0.250 -> mx2.magma.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:48:30 -0400 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.magma.ca [206.191.0.221]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03101; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port43.magma.ca [209.217.123.43]) by mail3.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA25763; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008202348.TAA25763@mail3.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "John Higgins" Cc: "Thinkpad list" Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:46:17 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <200008081628.MAA17522@amanda.dorsai.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Travelstar E (external PCMCIA) List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:28:43 -0400 (EDT), John Higgins wrote: >>I finally gave in* and clicked on a banner ad for >>an 8Gb external HD from IBM. Price is U$299 and >>includes what appears to be a tethered PCMCIA >>card (cable tethered to card that is, I hope it's >>not tethered to the enclosure!!). No power cord >>needed. Part number is 34L4223. >>There's also a 10Gb version for U$349. Any >>thoughts or experience on these? They're >>advertised as a JAZ drive alternative. (Picture >>of 4 removable disks next to the drive). > >Wow. Best price I see on shopper.com is $369 for >the 8gb. What's the link???? Sorry for the delay (or alternatively, sorry if I already replied). The U is http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnb r=2042071&cntrfnbr=1&cgmenbr=1&cntry=840&lang=en_US but you may find it easier to go to www.ibm.com, put "travelstar e" in the search box, and hit . I just did that and got two hits, the 8 and 10Gb. andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: www.cnn.com/WEATHER/ce/Ontario/OttawaYOW.html From cph Sun Aug 20 20:20:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA15417 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:20:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24939; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:16:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24534; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24521; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (192.48.96.19 -> wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:16:35 -0400 Received: from cheatriver.com by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: 1Cust39.tnt1.morristown2.nj.da.uu.net [63.17.19.39]) id QQjdcz20538 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:16:33 GMT Message-ID: <39A07543.3AAC4D42@cheatriver.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:18:11 -0400 From: Kathe Robin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Thinkpad list Subject: Maximum Size internal drive for 760ED? References: <200008202348.TAA25763@mail3.magma.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Can anyone tell me what the maximum size internal HD a TP 760ED can handle properly? I've got 104 Mb of RAM and am running MS Windows NT 4.0 Server w/SP 5, currently using a 5 Mb drive. Thanks, Max ------------------------------------------------------- email: m_robin@cheatriver.com smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. Cheat River Engineering Inc. 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 or 973 - 627 - 5460 ------------------------------------------------------- From cph Sun Aug 20 20:39:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA15481 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:39:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26122; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:35:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25739; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25725; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:35:28 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.5.69]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000821003526.YOES14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:35:26 +0000 Message-ID: <39A079CC.6087@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:37:32 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kathe Robin CC: Thinkpad list Subject: Re: Maximum Size internal drive for 760ED? References: <200008202348.TAA25763@mail3.magma.ca> <39A07543.3AAC4D42@cheatriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: 6.4 gig, unless someone has gone higher (maybe with EZDRIVE?) Kathe Robin wrote: > > Can anyone tell me what the maximum size internal HD a TP 760ED can > handle properly? I've got 104 Mb of RAM and am running MS Windows NT > 4.0 Server w/SP 5, currently using a 5 Mb drive. > > Thanks, > > Max > ------------------------------------------------------- > email: m_robin@cheatriver.com > > smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. > Cheat River Engineering Inc. > 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 > Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 > > voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 or 973 - 627 - 5460 > ------------------------------------------------------- From cph Sun Aug 20 20:42:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA15492 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:42:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26503; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:37:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26014; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26001; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:37:38 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.205.82 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:36:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c00b08$66188220$52cd1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Toshiba 10GB PCMCIA External Flip Disk (New) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:40:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C00ADE.7BA80400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C00ADE.7BA80400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IS this similar to that IBM ext hard drive? Brad http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00000325/03177305.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C00ADE.7BA80400 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Toshiba 10GB PCMCIA External Flip Disk (New).url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Toshiba 10GB PCMCIA External Flip Disk (New).url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00000325/03177305.htm [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00000325/03177305.htm Modified=20E4EB4E080BC00111 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C00ADE.7BA80400-- From cph Sun Aug 20 22:40:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA16087 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:40:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02836; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:35:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02491; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from warpspeed.com.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02439; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from warpspeed.com.au (203.27.78.4 -> inet.warpspeed.com.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:34:20 -0400 Received: from develsmp.warpspeed.com.au (develsmp.warpspeed.com.au [203.27.78.134] ) by warpspeed.com.au (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:31:19 +1000 Message-Id: <200008211231.1933290.9@warpspeed.com.au> From: "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:31:17 +1100 (EDT) Reply-To: "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.1999 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: test List-Unsubscribe: -Chris WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2. Voice: +61-3-9307-0611 PO Box 212 FidoNet: 3:632/344 FAX: +61-3-9307-0633 Brunswick Internet: chrisg@warpspeed.com.au BBS: +61-3-9307-0644 VIC 3056 CompuServe: 100250,1645 300-28,800 N,8,1 ANSI Australia Web Pages: http://www.netins.net/showcase/spectre http://www.warpspeed.com.au From cph Mon Aug 21 06:08:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA17550 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 06:08:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22927; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 06:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 06:04:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22742; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 06:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22725; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 06:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 06:04:30 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA21525; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:04:24 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000601c00b57$3a45ff20$0762183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Allan Ballard" , "Thinkpad Users" References: <200008202307.TAA22345@smtp6.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [TP-older] AMD133 (was: Re: 755cx) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:23:08 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "Looks like the benches you present all support the same conclusion, that the AMD133's relative speed is a jump up." Absolutely. This was a great chip from AMD. We have, of course, discussed this many times before on the TP list. As to the original question (of whether a P75 is substantially faster than an i486-75), I think we can agree here too that the answer would be "yes". - David R. From cph Mon Aug 21 12:37:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA19360 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:37:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21741; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:32:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21244; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop3.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21231; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop3.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.3 -> mail.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:32:10 -0400 Received: (qmail 1674 invoked by alias); 21 Aug 2000 16:32:04 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 1653 invoked by uid 0); 21 Aug 2000 16:32:03 -0000 Received: from sttl6400gw3poola16.sttl.uswest.net (HELO jmcjr) (63.225.173.16) by mail.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 21 Aug 2000 16:32:03 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000821084924.0086b850@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:49:24 -0700 To: "John Small" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Not Me Subject: Re: [TP560] Upgrade to Travelstar 12GN? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I just had a put an IBM 18GB Travelstar drive in my 560X. What you need to do is go to http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/welcome.htm Then you need to download DriveGuide (version 1.01.49). Here is IBM's description of DriveGuide (version 1.01.49). IBM DriveGuide Easy Installation Software that provides step-by-step installation instructions to help you install IBM IDE hard disk drives. DriveGuide allows older systems to use newer drives with capacities up to 32GB. I now have on 2GB partition and two 8GB partitions. One thing that you may need to know is that I am unable to use a hibernation file because the large hard drive is considered "compressed." I'm willing to live with this shortcoming for the extra disk space. John At 03:10 PM 8/20/2000 -0500, John Small wrote: >I would like to pull the 2.1gb Toshiba I have on my 560 (just a 560, not an E, >etc.) and replace it with an IBM 12GN (DATA-212000) 12.06gb drive. The problem >I am having is that when the drive is in the 560 halts after the POST. I think >this is because the BIOS will not handle larger than 8.4gb (and so the popular >6.4gb is the largest commonly used). However I believe Disk Manager can be made >to work around this barrier ... that is it's purpose. However I am not sure how >to setup the 12.1gb drive with it since the TP bios will not read it (oddly, the >BIOS check in Easy Setup shows the drive to be 'OK' and in fact operates the >drive!). Nor will the floppy boot. > >So I have obtained a 40-pin IDE adapter for using the drive on a desktop. This >works but still I am unsure how to prepare the drive while it is on the desktop. > >Am I on the right track? I am beginning to suspect the BIOS may be limiting me >to 8.4gb and there's no way round it except to return the 12gb and pick up a 6.4 >gb drive. > >Any suggestions? > >Thanks. > >-jts > > >INTRO - Two ThinkPad's: 701C and 560. This is after numerous other notebooks >and laptops. The 560 has been near perfect for my use. This one has P120, 40mb >ram, 2.1gb Toshiba hd. I run it on a home network using a Megahertz >28.8/network pcmcia card. Then I use the other slot for various devices. I >would like to have USB and a cdrom built in but not at the expense of more size >and/or weight. Faster processor, cache and more ram is always welcome! Tell >the truth, I have not been looking, don't not know what marvels IBM has come out >with since leaving CompuServe and the excellent ThinkPad forum in 1998 ... but I >think only upgrading the hd will hold me for a while longer. > >I'm running Win95, 98 and NT 4.0 but suspect everything in my home (towers and >notebooks) will be all Win98 before long. > >My first 'notebook' was a Kaypro 10! I also used but did not own the Osborne 1. > >I also find handheld devices useful. TRGpro (for Palm OS and CF expandability) >and Compaq iPAC (WinCE 3.0 aka PocketPC looks like it might make these devices >genuinely useful). > > From cph Mon Aug 21 13:24:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA19772 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:24:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26302; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:21:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26138; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web119.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26125; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web119.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.120 -> web119.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:21:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 25066 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2000 17:21:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000821172148.25065.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.225.68] by web119.yahoomail.com; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:21:48 PDT Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:21:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re:IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id NAA26302 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA19773 Yet another misinformed person quoting a 3 year warranty from the website that says no such thing! David, you should read that yourself instead of blindly quoting it to people! There's no mention of a 3 year warranty or any other warranty for that matter! Don't feel bad David, lots of Vendors also quote a warranty period of 3 years. Some say 1 year. When I asked them about it, they have no information and are confused as to where the information came from. Then when I ask them if They are prepared to provide a replacement for 3 years they stop responding! BTW, Western Digital provides a 3 year warranty on ANY drive, no matter where you got it! I just sent in two >from different sources and had them replaced under warranty. --- David Ross wrote: > "Western Digital provides a 3 year warranty and IBM > provides none?" > > IBM provides a 3 year warrantee on travelstar drives > sold as IBM > travelstar drives > through authorized dealers. They have warrantee > information on their > website at > http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/hdwarranty.htm > where it is > made clear that > OEM drives are excluded. Warrantee lengths on > specific drives can be > found as part of their > specs, e.g. > http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/tr12gn.htm > for the > 12gn series > drives. > > "WD has > on-line warranty verification and RMA generation on > even their cheapest drives and IBM has nothing like > that! " > > Does WD warrant laptop drives they have produced for > integration into > laptops from other manufacturers? Are these listed > on their website? > Normally, if > manufacturer A makes a product for manufacturer B > according to B's > specs, the product > does not appear in A's public list of products. > > For any non-OEM product IBM manufactures, you can > get information about > remaining > warrantee life by phoning IBM and giving them the > serial number of the > product. > > - David R. > ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Mon Aug 21 13:57:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA19956 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:57:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29473; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:53:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29202; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29189; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.102 -> pilot002.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:53:45 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm455-34.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.44]) by pilot002.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA37296 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:53:41 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000821134751.022a5c70@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:53:36 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re:IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed In-Reply-To: <20000821172148.25065.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA19957 You know Steve, it would really help if you'd really LOOK at things before spouting off. You are quite wrong that "There's no mention of a 3 year warranty..." Please look at http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/hdnawarranty.htm for further details. I see upon reading David's posting that he got the same URL too, after probably spending a few minutes at the IBM site--just as I did. YOU NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF LOOKING FOR THINGS, Steve. It gets a little complicated, warranties and all depending on where you got your drive, but your blanket statements just don't make any sense, especially after spending a few minutes to look at the situation. --STeve Andre' At 10:21 AM 8/21/00 -0700, Steve C. wrote: >Yet another misinformed person quoting a 3 year >warranty from the website that says no such thing! >David, you should read that yourself instead of >blindly quoting it to people! There's no mention of a >3 year warranty or any other warranty for that matter! >Don't feel bad David, lots of Vendors also quote a >warranty period of 3 years. Some say 1 year. When I >asked them about it, they have no information and are >confused as to where the information came from. Then >when I ask them if They are prepared to provide a >replacement for 3 years they stop responding! > >BTW, Western Digital provides a 3 year warranty on ANY >drive, no matter where you got it! I just sent in two >from different sources and had them replaced under >warranty. > > >--- David Ross wrote: > > "Western Digital provides a 3 year warranty and IBM > > provides none?" > > > > IBM provides a 3 year warrantee on travelstar drives > > sold as IBM > > travelstar drives > > through authorized dealers. They have warrantee > > information on their > > website at > > >http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/hdwarranty.htm > > where it is > > made clear that > > OEM drives are excluded. Warrantee lengths on > > specific drives can be > > found as part of their > > specs, e.g. > > >http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/tr12gn.htm > > for the > > 12gn series > > drives. > > > > "WD has > > on-line warranty verification and RMA generation on > > even their cheapest drives and IBM has nothing like > > that! " > > > > Does WD warrant laptop drives they have produced for > > integration into > > laptops from other manufacturers? Are these listed > > on their website? > > Normally, if > > manufacturer A makes a product for manufacturer B > > according to B's > > specs, the product > > does not appear in A's public list of products. > > > > For any non-OEM product IBM manufactures, you can > > get information about > > remaining > > warrantee life by phoning IBM and giving them the > > serial number of the > > product. > > > > - David R. > > > > >===== >Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct >Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail ­ Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Mon Aug 21 14:24:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA20120 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:24:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01868; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:22:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01696; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01681; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:22:08 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA22303 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:22:05 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001101c00b9c$bfc77ee0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" References: <20000821172139.25033.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Re:IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:22:21 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: At 10:21 AM 8/21/00 -0700, Steve C. wrote: "Yet another misinformed person quoting a 3 year warranty from the website that says no such thing! David, you should read that yourself instead of blindly quoting it to people!" Always nice to be called "misinformed" by someone I'm trying to help. If you look at the web page I gave you (for the drive), it quite clearly states that the warrantee is 3 years. Websites for authorized dealers (e.g., necx.com) also mention this warrantee. "BTW, Western Digital provides a 3 year warranty on ANY drive, no matter where you got it!" So buy your next laptop drive from WD. - David R. From cph Mon Aug 21 15:28:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA20572 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:28:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08073; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:22:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07844; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07831; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (142.90.106.106 -> andrew1.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:22:49 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e7LJMlv25228 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu.AVP; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:22:47 -0700 Received: from sfupc (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7LJMj025222 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:22:45 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c00ba4$72521d20$03785a8e@triumf.ca> From: "peter machule" To: "thinkpad" Subject: Any Info on IBM Quick Charger for a 755C ??? Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:17:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Buddy of mine picked up a dual battery quick charger for his 370C . type 66G2815 aka 66G0186 aka 66G2834 . He has no manual . Can someone please take a quick look at theirs, and give me the pertinent info . ie. what do the buttons do , what do the lights mean etc. thank you so much ! I've done a meandering search through IBM and nothing usefull yet . He phoned IBM publications and got someone useless....... ( which is too bad , because they usually do wonderful things for me ;-} ...peter.... From cph Mon Aug 21 15:42:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA20640 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:42:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09668; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:39:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09439; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09425; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten2.mcs.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:39:56 -0400 Received: from heiby.pr.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA58921 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:39:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from heiby@falkor.chi.il.us) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:39:48 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <752251077.20000821143948@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed In-reply-To: <001101c00b9c$bfc77ee0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> References: <20000821172139.25033.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> <001101c00b9c$bfc77ee0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Monday, August 21, 2000, 1:22:21 PM, David wrote: > If you look at the web page I gave you (for the drive), it quite clearly > states that the warrantee is 3 years. Websites for authorized > dealers (e.g., necx.com) also mention this warrantee. Um, is it possible that IBM is serving up different contents to different people for the same URL? I have the page in question, "http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/hdnawarranty.htm" on my web browser as I type this. I see NO PLACE where any warranty length is mentioned, other than that a warranty replacement "will carry the remainder of your entitled warranty or 90 days, whichever is greater". ??? Ron. From cph Mon Aug 21 15:57:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA20725 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:57:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11706; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:54:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11495; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11474; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:54:42 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA22791; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:54:33 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000d01c00ba9$ab686ce0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Ronald W. Heiby" , "ThinkPad mailing list" References: <20000821172139.25033.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com><001101c00b9c$bfc77ee0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <962208290.20000821143905@falkor.chi.il.us> Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:54:51 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Me: > If you look at the web page I gave you (for the drive), it quite clearly > states that the warrantee is 3 years. Websites for authorized > dealers (e.g., necx.com) also mention this warrantee. Ron (trying to be diplomatic): >Um, is it possible that IBM is serving up different contents to >different people for the same URL? I have the page in question, >"http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/hdnawarranty.htm" on my >web browser as I type this. I see NO PLACE where any warranty length >is mentioned, other than that a warranty replacement "will carry the >remainder of your entitled warranty or 90 days, whichever is greater". You have to look at the web page *for the drive*; in this case I gave the website for the 12gn series, http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/tr12gn.htm but I believe that all the travelstars have a similar warrantee. I understand that sometimes IBM doesn't put this kind of information in the most obvious place - all of us on this list are well aware of the IBM website shortcomings! - but this really wasn't all that hard to find. BTW, in my experience when large dealers (such as NECX) give a spec list on their website for an IBM product, they have inevitably copied it verbatim from IBM, so I usually look first at NECX (which is a much easier site to navigate). - David R. From cph Mon Aug 21 16:00:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA20748 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:00:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12200; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:57:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11970; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web106.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11837; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web106.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.73 -> web106.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:56:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 19759 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2000 19:56:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000821195655.19758.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.225.68] by web106.yahoomail.com; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:56:55 PDT Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:56:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support To: Benjamin Koh Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id PAA12200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA20749 You must not have talked to any sellers Ben. Even the people and companies selling drives think there is a warranty and state it in their ads, so how is the customer supposed to know? A lot of vendors are stating that there's a 3 year warranty and some say one year. They must assume that since other companies have warranties that IBM would have one, too. I've emailed several of them asking for details on their warranty and they are surprised to find they don't have any details! If I ask them if they are prepared to supply a replacement drive for 3 years in case the original fails they don't want to talk about it anymore. Surely you can't expect most consumers to go to that extent to find out about the warranty or you will call them STUPID? --- Benjamin Koh wrote: > Bottomline: if you didn't check before buying, it's > YOUR fault. Assuming > that whoever sold you the product is there to help > you is plain > stupidity - they're there to make a profit, not help > you. ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Mon Aug 21 16:06:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA20789 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:06:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13199; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:03:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12884; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12869; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (129.250.36.44 -> dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:03:26 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13Qxn3-0003ay-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:03:25 +0000 Received: from [63.64.41.226] (helo=63pc226.hillsboro.net) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13Qxmr-0004CS-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:03:22 +0000 From: John Small To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] Upgrade to Travelstar 12GN? Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:02:59 -0500 Message-ID: References: <3.0.5.32.20000821084924.0086b850@pop.goamerica.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000821084924.0086b850@pop.goamerica.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA20790 On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:49:24 -0700, Not Me wrote: >http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/welcome.htm > >Then you need to download DriveGuide (version 1.01.49). John, thanks for the suggestion. I had visited that site and dl'd DiskGo! Couldn't figure how to make it do the deed. Didn't try the alternative of DriveGuide. I had frittered away two days on the project so I gave up, returned the 12gb and picked up a 6gb. This one came up just fine. I would surely prefer the 12gb of course. BTW, there is likely some difference in the bios between the 560 and the X. In my case the 560 would not even read the drive at all, halting after the POST. So I suspect even an overlay would not help. I thought about holding onto the drive for a few days in case someone had a suggestion but I was tired of fooling with it and wanted the issue to go away. Thanks for the suggestion. -jts From cph Mon Aug 21 16:14:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA20822 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:14:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14272; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:12:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14058; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14043; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (149.174.206.155 -> ds-img-rel-2.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:12:16 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id QAA23076 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-gow-vty192.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-gow-vty192.as.wcom.net [216.192.136.192]) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id QAA23046; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:11:46 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <804169804.20000821151146@falkor.chi.il.us> To: "David Ross" CC: "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed In-reply-To: <000d01c00ba9$ab686ce0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> References: <20000821172139.25033.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com><001101c00b9c$bfc77ee0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <962208290.20000821143905@falkor.chi.il.us> <000d01c00ba9$ab686ce0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Monday, August 21, 2000, 2:54:51 PM, David wrote: > You have to look at the web page *for the drive*; in this case I gave > the website for the 12gn series, > http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/tr12gn.htm Oh, *there*! Ron. From cph Mon Aug 21 16:21:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA20897 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:21:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15307; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:19:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15035; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15017; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:19:53 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15477 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39A18EE1.A215D980@stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:19:45 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Buying smart (was Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support) References: <20000821195655.19758.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: "Steve C." wrote: > > You must not have talked to any sellers Ben. > Even the people and companies selling drives think > there is a warranty and state it in their ads, so how > is the customer supposed to know? A lot of vendors > are stating that there's a 3 year warranty and some > say one year. They must assume that since other > companies have warranties that IBM would have one, > too. > I've emailed several of them asking for details on > their warranty and they are surprised to find they > don't have any details! If I ask them if they are > prepared to supply a replacement drive for 3 years in > case the original fails they don't want to talk about > it anymore. > Surely you can't expect most consumers to go to that > extent to find out about the warranty or you will call > them STUPID? > As someone mentioned earlier, everyone has a monetary threshold where they begin looking more closely at warranty terms. If it bothers you enough about the warranty to find out every detail (I usually do, which is why I bought IBM) then you'd learn this well before you use your credit card, and buy from someone else or buy another brand. If it bugs you but you don't bother to reassure yourself by getting a WRITTEN warranty statement then yes, that is being stupid. Call me cynical, but one of the first things I ask about an item is the length and provider of the warranty. Even on eBay I ask for at least a no DOA warranty unless the seller explicitly states "as is". With a no DOA warranty at least the seller has some incentive to pack the item properly. And if it's a commercial outfit that takes credit cards without Paypal, there's usually a 30/60/90 day warranty, sometimes 1 year or more if the item is new/open box/old stock. In these cases I ask for the warranty to be printed on the invoice. Benjamin > --- Benjamin Koh wrote: > > > Bottomline: if you didn't check before buying, it's > > YOUR fault. Assuming > > that whoever sold you the product is there to help > > you is plain > > stupidity - they're there to make a profit, not help > > you. -- Clickdough(paid surfing): Sun, Mac (68k/PPC), and PC (no IE 4!) https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Mon Aug 21 18:20:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA21621 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:20:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27350; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:17:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27131; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27115; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:17:55 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-33.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.138]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA31556; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:17:52 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "John Small" , Subject: RE: [TP560] Upgrade to Travelstar 12GN? Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:19:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: John Small [mailto:jtsmall@onramp.net] wrote: > BTW, there is likely some difference in the bios between the 560 and > the X. In > my case the 560 would not even read the drive at all, halting after the POST. > So I suspect even an overlay would not help. I thought about holding onto the > drive for a few days in case someone had a suggestion but I was tired > of fooling > with it and wanted the issue to go away. Sorry for the tardy followup to my earlier replies John, but after looking at the BIOS release notes for the 560 I believe you've done the only thing possible with your unit. There certainly _appears_ to be the same BIOS limitation in the 560 (560E?) as in the 755XX and 760XX series that prevents the units from recognizing drives larger than 6.4GB. I know that when I've seen language in the BIOS text files for older systems that says something like "support added for IBM 4GB and 5GB drives" it seems to also mean that the unit is maxed out at 6.4GB. At least that's been my experience. Perhaps there is some electronic/physical similarity in the 4GN, 5GS and 6GN drives that does this. Regards, James From cph Mon Aug 21 20:59:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA22535 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:59:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06656; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:57:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06509; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06496; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:57:00 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.184.18 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:56:21 -0700 Message-ID: <002201c00bd4$45839f00$12b81b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Looking Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:59:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: For a hard drive to beef up my 560, got a 2.1 gig now.... USED is ok, let me know what you got. 4 megs is ok, 6 is better. Brad From cph Mon Aug 21 21:08:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA22586 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:08:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07389; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:06:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07257; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta3.tm.net.my (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07244; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta3.tm.net.my (202.188.0.147 -> mta3.tm.net.my) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:06:25 -0400 Received: from tp390.tm.net.my ([203.106.173.62]) by mta3.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <20000822010618.PFA16508@tp390.tm.net.my> for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:06:18 +0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000822085805.00b2a008@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: khokk/pop.tm.net.my@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:04:41 +0800 To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" From: Kho Kwang Khoon Subject: TP390 2nd HDD adapter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know where to get a 2nd HDD adapter for the TP390? I have replaced the original 3.2 GB drive with a 12GB drives and would like to use the 3.2 GB drive in the Ultra Bay FX. It seems that IBM sells a HDD with adapter but do not sell the adapter separately. Thanks. Kho From cph Mon Aug 21 21:14:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA22620 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:14:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08094; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:12:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07923; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07910; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:12:56 -0400 Received: from user-37ka7dm.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37ka7dm.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.29.182]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA23527 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008220112.VAA23527@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Thinkpad Users" Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: High X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200008202307.TAA22345@smtp6.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Clean Screen List-Unsubscribe: I have never needed to clean the screen of my TP780XL before. I don't much cotton to the ideas of mixing 2 parts of this and 1 part of that, either, unless absolutely. Is it ok to use the regular screen wipes sold most everywhere for regular monitors? Allan From cph Mon Aug 21 21:27:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA22692 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:27:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09095; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:25:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08915; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08901; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:25:53 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.184.18 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:25:13 -0700 Message-ID: <004801c00bd8$4e4d3ca0$12b81b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: 755CX Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:28:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Got my son's 755CX in today. But the screen don't light up or display. Worked great before it was shipped. The thing boots I think, I hear the drive whirring, and the power light and the battery charge light comes on. I lifted the keyboard and everything was still in place other than the memory card was a bit loose. I'm thinking maybe the display connector got jarred loose during shipping but I haven't clue where to look. I hear something like a screw rolling around in the MB casing. Any help would be appreciated. At this rate I'll never get my 560 away from him, he likes the maroon color. Brad From cph Mon Aug 21 21:57:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA22873 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:57:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11172; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:54:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10951; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10931; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:54:45 -0400 Received: from tp1480 (adsl-207-68-49-100.bellatlantic.net [207.68.49.100]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA27426; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000201c00bdb$ee625920$6401a8c0@tp1480> From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: "Allan Ballard" , "Thinkpad Users" References: <200008220112.VAA23527@smtp6.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Clean Screen Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:53:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I've used this formula and procedure on coated optical surfaces, it was recommended by a telescope manufacturer. Mix ONE DROP of liquid ivory dishwash detergent with ONE QUART of water, and use sparingly. Dampen the screen surface, let it sit a little, and remove the liquid in one side to side motion per "strip" of surface. Don't rub in circular motion, etc. Take care around the sides of the screen, don't let the liquid "wick" under the edge. Nothng beats an old t-shirt as a cleaning pad. Paper tissue often is quite "dusty" and can contain abrasive particles. Be careful of your work environmentl, it is easy to pick up grit from a tabletop, etc. You can put the quart of liquid in a jar, or get wild and crazy and abandon considerations of economy and mix up a batch whenever needed. Consider investing in a fine sable artist's brush. Keep it in your notebook bag or in your work area. Brush the screen and the keyboard often. jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Thinkpad Users" Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 9:20 PM Subject: Clean Screen > I have never needed to clean the screen of my > TP780XL before. > > I don't much cotton to the ideas of mixing 2 parts of > this and 1 part of that, either, unless absolutely. > > Is it ok to use the regular screen wipes sold most > everywhere for regular monitors? > > Allan > From cph Mon Aug 21 22:07:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA22929 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:07:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12297; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:05:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12152; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12139; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:04:57 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA24724; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:04:45 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003901c00bdd$62a607e0$5e8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Jim Biggerstaff" , "Allan Ballard" , "Thinkpad Users" References: <200008220112.VAA23527@smtp6.mindspring.com> <000201c00bdb$ee625920$6401a8c0@tp1480> Subject: Re: Clean Screen Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:05:00 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "I've used this formula and procedure on coated optical surfaces[...]" I don't think a plastic screen qualifies here! IBM recommends a 50-50 mix of alcohol and water, which BTW is essentially the liquid one finds in the cleaning wipes Allan asked about. "Nothng beats an old t-shirt as a cleaning pad." Well, one thing - microfiber cloth. I find that a high-quality microfiber lens cloth (the kind that costs several dollars at photo shops, not the lightweight ones in optical sections of drug stores) does the job 99% of the time with no fluid at all. You are right though that paper-based products are to be avoided (though screen wipes are often paper, and work just fine). "Consider investing in a fine sable artist's brush. Keep it in your notebook bag or in your work area. Brush the screen and the keyboard often." This is a great idea, which I will try. - David R. From cph Mon Aug 21 22:31:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA23086 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:31:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13815; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:29:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13648; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13634; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:29:14 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip129-37-224-35.mo.us.prserv.net [129.37.224.35]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.2) with ESMTP id e7M2T8m13909; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:29:09 -0700 Message-ID: <39A1E56F.B4EAB192@mail.orion.org> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:29:03 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Clean Screen References: <200008220112.VAA23527@smtp6.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Allan Ballard wrote: > > I have never needed to clean the screen of my > TP780XL before. > > I don't much cotton to the ideas of mixing 2 parts of > this and 1 part of that, either, unless absolutely. > > Is it ok to use the regular screen wipes sold most > everywhere for regular monitors? Yes, you can use screen wipes. Personally I just use cotton cloth dampened with water and a little squirt of liquid handwashing soap. Works great, quick & easy. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Mon Aug 21 22:52:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA23191 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:52:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15176; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:49:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14981; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14968; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.113 -> pilot013.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:49:44 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port37.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.176]) by pilot013.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA32996 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:49:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000821223849.00e73380@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:48:57 -0400 To: "Thinkpad Users" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Clean Screen In-Reply-To: <200008220112.VAA23527@smtp6.mindspring.com> References: <200008202307.TAA22345@smtp6.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Alan, Unless you want to spend money, making your own mixture will save you money. What I've done is to mix 1 part isopropyl alcohol with 3 parts filtered water. Some add a little soap too, but I've just done the above formula. If you want to buy stuff, get the cleaning solution for cleaning glasses. My wife once got some idiot two-for-one deal on a huge bottle and that's still here, somewhere. Works great. The only thing I would not use is anything with amonia--I'm not sure what that might do, so I've never tried it. Somewhere, if there are archives of this list, there is a discussion about all this, probably from a year or so ago. --STeve Andre' At 09:20 PM 8/21/00 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: >I have never needed to clean the screen of my >TP780XL before. > >I don't much cotton to the ideas of mixing 2 parts of >this and 1 part of that, either, unless absolutely. > >Is it ok to use the regular screen wipes sold most >everywhere for regular monitors? > >Allan From cph Mon Aug 21 23:52:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA23504 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:52:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19877; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:49:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19515; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19500; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:49:42 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a38.pm3-24.theriver.com [206.102.192.54]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3CB271A2; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:14:33 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <39A1F0EA.D9EB296F@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:18:02 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross Cc: Jim Biggerstaff , Allan Ballard , Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Clean Screen References: <200008220112.VAA23527@smtp6.mindspring.com> <000201c00bdb$ee625920$6401a8c0@tp1480> <003901c00bdd$62a607e0$5e8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David Ross wrote: > > "I've used this formula and procedure on coated optical surfaces[...]" > > I don't think a plastic screen qualifies here! IBM recommends a 50-50 > mix of alcohol and water, > which BTW is essentially the liquid one finds in the cleaning wipes > Allan asked about. > Most optical cleaners are either a soap based cleaner or contain 50% alcohol. Do not use AMMONIA BASED cleaners, such as Windex(c) or you may find yourself looking through a 'yellow' screen. > "Nothng beats an old t-shirt as a cleaning pad." > > Well, one thing - microfiber cloth. I find that a high-quality > microfiber lens cloth (the kind that > costs several dollars at photo shops, not the lightweight ones in > optical sections of drug stores) > does the job 99% of the time with no fluid at all. Got several of them here as I wear anti-glare coated glasses and a 'clean' old t-shirt would remove or scratch the coating. However, I will warn that the cloths must be kept clean or they loose their effectiveness (in other words after removing all of that dust, wash the cloth in a solution of a good dish washing soap and water, rinse throughly.) > > You are right though that paper-based products are to be avoided (though > screen wipes are > often paper, and work just fine). They are a high quality, rag based paper. > > "Consider investing in a fine sable artist's brush. Keep it in your > notebook > bag or in your work area. Brush the screen and the keyboard often." > Or a lens cleaning brush with a blower to clean out the dust and grime >from under the keys. My two cents.... James Mckenzieh From cph Tue Aug 22 01:02:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA23892 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:02:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24219; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:59:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24007; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23988; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:59:33 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-31.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.184]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA19974; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 04:59:25 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Kho Kwang Khoon" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: TP390 2nd HDD adapter Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:01:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000822085805.00b2a008@127.0.0.1> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Kho, Try IBM Parts (1-888-SHOP-IBM) and tell them you want an UltraBay FX Adapter FRU part number - 05K5525. FRU stands for Field Replacement Unit and normally means that the part is available as a separate item. The Ultrabay adapters for my 600s were only approx. $30. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Kho Kwang Khoon [mailto:khokk@tm.net.my] > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:05 PM > To: ThinkPad Mailing List > Subject: TP390 2nd HDD adapter > > > Does anyone know where to get a 2nd HDD adapter for the TP390? I have > replaced the original 3.2 GB drive with a 12GB drives and would like to use > the 3.2 GB drive in the Ultra Bay FX. It seems that IBM sells a HDD with > adapter but do not sell the adapter separately. > > Thanks. > > Kho From cph Tue Aug 22 01:04:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA23899 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:04:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24575; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:01:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24237; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24215; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:01:33 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-31.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.184]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA20307; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 05:01:30 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Brad Burean" , "Thinkpad Users" Subject: RE: 755CX Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:03:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <004801c00bd8$4e4d3ca0$12b81b3f@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Booger, First place to look on the 755 series is the lid switch. Make sure it hasn't gotten broken in shipping/handling. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Burean [mailto:Burean@email.msn.com] > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:29 PM > To: Thinkpad Users > Subject: 755CX > > > Got my son's 755CX in today. But the screen don't light up or display. > Worked great before it was shipped. The thing boots I think, I hear the > drive whirring, and the power light and the battery charge light comes on. > I lifted the keyboard and everything was still in place other than the > memory card was a bit loose. I'm thinking maybe the display connector got > jarred loose during shipping but I haven't clue where to look. I hear > something like a screw rolling around in the MB casing. Any help would be > appreciated. At this rate I'll never get my 560 away from him, he likes the > maroon color. > > Brad > > From cph Tue Aug 22 01:42:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA24142 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:42:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26646; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:40:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26438; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26425; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:40:20 -0400 Received: from tk-os2.egenet.com.tr (tk-os2.egenet.com.tr [212.175.201.7]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA20213 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:39:42 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200008220539.IAA20213@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "Thinkpad Users" Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:40:12 -0100 (TUR) Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <000201c00bdb$ee625920$6401a8c0@tp1480> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: New laptop: A20m - fast or slow? List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Greetings; I just bought a new A20m (that I'll be paying for forever :), it's the one with PIII 600, and ATI Mobility video chip. I noticed while installing a graphics-intensive game (Wheels of Time) that it recommended that I use the "Medium quality graphics, medium detail," etc. I am puzzled, I thought this was a fast video card and a fast machine altogether! - -turgut - -- turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOaD4/DJjYwErN0xZAQFg+gQAnVMeL8zIjOf+Ms+Glht45t+M5YQZDzBN N43uurxJPVZHkgRtg2QDbcXXvjzXQqrglM4GqhyF5u9a/m9LR58DrWPJf6XLyz5D fO1Tnmev4O7dtDZGGoiNjQb6TxSECgukAG7i0kQvZtORBhYyn/+A26tBpCoJUIoV YmUkhGYQy7k= =h/Es -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Windows Error 002: No error...yet. From cph Tue Aug 22 01:49:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA24167 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:49:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27431; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:47:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27255; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27241; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:47:30 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA25519; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:47:14 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001f01c00bfc$7ad4bb80$9362183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "turgut kalfaoglu" , "Thinkpad Users" References: <200008220539.IAA20213@home.egenet.com.tr> Subject: Re: New laptop: A20m - fast or slow? Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:47:27 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: The ATI Rage Mobility is a great laptop video chip, with good 2D performance, but it is not great for 3D games. On the plus side, if it is like its desktop Rage Pro siblings, it will do a wonderful job of hardware assist on software DVD decoding. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "Thinkpad Users" Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 11:40 PM Subject: New laptop: A20m - fast or slow? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Greetings; I just bought a new A20m (that I'll be paying for forever :), it's the one with PIII 600, and ATI Mobility video chip. I noticed while installing a graphics-intensive game (Wheels of Time) that it recommended that I use the "Medium quality graphics, medium detail," etc. I am puzzled, I thought this was a fast video card and a fast machine altogether! - -turgut - -- turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOaD4/DJjYwErN0xZAQFg+gQAnVMeL8zIjOf+Ms+Glht45t+M5YQZDzBN N43uurxJPVZHkgRtg2QDbcXXvjzXQqrglM4GqhyF5u9a/m9LR58DrWPJf6XLyz5D fO1Tnmev4O7dtDZGGoiNjQb6TxSECgukAG7i0kQvZtORBhYyn/+A26tBpCoJUIoV YmUkhGYQy7k= =h/Es -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Windows Error 002: No error...yet. From cph Tue Aug 22 02:22:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA24323 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:22:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29098; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:19:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28968; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28953; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:19:49 -0400 Received: from tk-os2.egenet.com.tr (tk-os2.egenet.com.tr [212.175.201.7]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA21903; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:18:59 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200008220618.JAA21903@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "esupport@us.ibm.com" , "DB2-EUG List" , "Os/2 List" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:19:31 -0100 (TUR) Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Amazing... List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I was just posting a message to the Thinkpad discussion list, http://www7.pc.ibm.com/~Thinkpad/login and got an interesting error message. Is this really IBM's webboard? Crashing with a Microsoft SQL Server error? Why aren't they using their own reliable DB2 instead? - -turgut 8/22/2000 02:06:57 (Thinkpad) Turgut Kalfaoglu (tkalfaoglu) ERROR in WebBoardServer4.WB_MsgSave(): #0: S1008: [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver]Operation canceled (1) #3146: ODBC--call failed. (2) Please note what you were doing when this problem occurred, so we can identify and correct it. Write down the Web page you were using, any data you may have entered into a form or search box, and anything else that may help us duplicate the problem. Then contact the administrator of this service: esupport@us.ibm.com - -- turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOaECMzJjYwErN0xZAQEpUQP/bojhkxhwYHD9kNNpDBdu0YOaeJzXW83Q f+nz6PEZ7dgnjibpqgJs9dz33/qm+n83zNggDLjRPhs1Y/tT2rGSG9mikiqZRlNU GEEb6c0CEA0Jp1PqHpU3owmDQxAsxXTaq9TojcYcYAo39htxSAF3UUbP0kZ0yHjZ 7fTKJM3tLpQ= =RBXj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Windows Error 039: Please Insert Your Favorite Error Here From cph Tue Aug 22 02:38:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA24367 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:38:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00082; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:36:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29942; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsboro.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29929; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsboro.net (208.241.143.4 -> mail.hillsboro.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:36:15 -0400 Received: from THINKPAD ([63.108.55.182]) by mail.hillsboro.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64747U3500L350S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:46:43 -0500 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Looking Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:36:02 -0500 Message-ID: References: <002201c00bd4$45839f00$12b81b3f@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <002201c00bd4$45839f00$12b81b3f@oemcomputer> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA24368 On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:59:47 -0500, "Brad Burean" wrote: >For a hard drive to beef up my 560, got a 2.1 gig now.... USED is ok, let >me know >what you got. 4 megs is ok, 6 is better. > >Brad > Recommend any of the 6gb drives. Apparently this and some other Thinkpads cannot go about 6.4gb due to physical address limitation of the BIOS (so I am told). I tried a 12gb and could not get it to work (hangs right after POST). I choose the Hitachi as it is quite, $169 at Fry's. The Travelstar is said to be rugged but loud. Fujitsu is well thought of, fast and quiet. -jts From cph Tue Aug 22 03:30:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA24600 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 03:30:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03090; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 03:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 03:27:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02868; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 03:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02854; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 03:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (193.52.64.50 -> uhbhic.uhb.fr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 03:27:12 -0400 Received: from PBoy (cb1341.ens.uhb.fr [172.18.254.11]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.3) with SMTP id JAA15170 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:27:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002101c00c0a$68c4ad20$0bfe12ac@PBoy> From: "Sylvestre Meininger" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: DiscGo looks excelent ! Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:27:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, Someone identifying himself as "Not Me" posted a nice URL pointing to a program named DiskGo!. I downloaded and tried it and it's amazing. It really helps you to physically install a new IBM drive, it can "Ghost" (exactly reproduce) an existing partition and its content to the new drive and it lets you chose which drive is Master/Slave, bootable, and so on... Maybe this isn't new to many list members, but it certainly is to me. So I just wanted to say thanks : this list is definitely the best source for ThinkPad-related information ! sylvestre For those who missed it, here's th URL : http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/welcome.htm From cph Tue Aug 22 09:45:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA26491 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:45:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27764; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:42:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27503; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27490; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (199.224.64.56 -> lima.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:42:32 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp70.epix.net [199.224.125.70]) by lima.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000080901/PL) with SMTP id e7MDgUL28789 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008221342.e7MDgUL28789@lima.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:42:27 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <000201c00bdb$ee625920$6401a8c0@tp1480> Subject: Re: Clean Screen X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zk/19zk List-Unsubscribe: In <000201c00bdb$ee625920$6401a8c0@tp1480>, on 08/21/00 at 09:53 PM, "Jim Biggerstaff" typed: >Nothng beats an old t-shirt as a cleaning pad. Be sure it's 100% cotton. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- Stupidity is NOT a survival trait. From cph Tue Aug 22 13:46:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA28264 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:46:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17934; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:42:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17511; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17498; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.134 -> ds-img-1.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:42:41 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id NAA20873; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:41:52 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Clean Screen techniques. Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: "Allan Ballard" Cc: thinkpad Message-ID: <200008221342_MC2-B09B-314A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA28265 Use soft cloth and a little lighter fuel. This will remove grease/film but will smear/dry white. Then use same cloth - but clean part - and breathe (HURRRGH!!) very heavily on sections at a time and gently buff... this takes a while, makes you light-headed but is the only safe and 'quick' way to do it. It comes up like new! Other materials mostly leave marks visible at certain angles. Mark From cph Tue Aug 22 13:57:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA28316 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:57:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19063; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:55:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18913; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18899; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:55:42 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13RIGy-0005kx-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:55:40 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.44] (helo=isdn30-44.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13RIGy-0004XI-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:55:40 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Clean Screen techniques. Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:55:41 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200008221342_MC2-B09B-314A@compuserve.com> In-Reply-To: <200008221342_MC2-B09B-314A@compuserve.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA28317 On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:41:52 -0400, Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> wrote: >Use soft cloth and a little lighter fuel. FWIW, over the years I have had no problem using either a damp paper towel (said to be abrasive for plexiglass) or rubbing alcohol used straight (I put it in a pump spary bottle) and same paper towel. Many notebooks and my present one for about three years. -jts From cph Tue Aug 22 14:13:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA28442 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:13:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20548; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:11:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20360; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20347; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:11:45 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.251.247 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:11:04 -0700 Message-ID: <004701c00c64$d2b7d5e0$f7fb163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Julian Thomas" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <200008221342.e7MDgUL28789@lima.epix.net> Subject: Re: Clean Screen Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:10:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Old t-shirt... nah well used cotton diaper! Booger ----- Original Message ----- From: Julian Thomas To: Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 8:42 AM Subject: Re: Clean Screen > In <000201c00bdb$ee625920$6401a8c0@tp1480>, on 08/21/00 > at 09:53 PM, "Jim Biggerstaff" typed: > > >Nothng beats an old t-shirt as a cleaning pad. > > Be sure it's 100% cotton. > > -- > Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt > In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! > Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc > http://www.possi.org > -- -- > Stupidity is NOT a survival trait. > > From cph Tue Aug 22 14:59:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA28916 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:59:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23905; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:49:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23611; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23598; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:49:24 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-11.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.164]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA25365; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:49:16 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Brad Burean" , "Julian Thomas" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: RE: Clean Screen Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:51:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <004701c00c64$d2b7d5e0$f7fb163f@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Adult or infant size Booger? I guess the layer of stale urine deposited on the screen serves as a lubricant and the feces are a polishing agent? ;-) James > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Burean [mailto:Burean@email.msn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 1:11 PM > To: Julian Thomas > Cc: Thinkpad Users > Subject: Re: Clean Screen > > > Old t-shirt... nah well used cotton diaper! > > > Booger > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Julian Thomas > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 8:42 AM > Subject: Re: Clean Screen > > > > In <000201c00bdb$ee625920$6401a8c0@tp1480>, on 08/21/00 > > at 09:53 PM, "Jim Biggerstaff" typed: > > > > >Nothng beats an old t-shirt as a cleaning pad. > > > > Be sure it's 100% cotton. > > > > -- > > Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt > > In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! > > Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc > > http://www.possi.org > > -- -- > > Stupidity is NOT a survival trait. > > > > > From cph Tue Aug 22 15:00:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA28942 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:00:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24687; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:54:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24505; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24483; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:54:22 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.251.132 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:53:42 -0700 Message-ID: <008601c00c6a$c35ea3c0$f7fb163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: trackpoint mouse Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:57:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Anyone got any of these for sale? Booger From cph Tue Aug 22 15:01:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA28961 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:01:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25571; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:59:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25289; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25268; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:59:31 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.251.132 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:58:48 -0700 Message-ID: <009001c00c6b$77f43160$f7fb163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "James H. E. Maugham" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: Subject: Re: Clean Screen Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:02:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I'm not TELLING! ----- Original Message ----- From: James H. E. Maugham To: Brad Burean ; Julian Thomas Cc: Thinkpad Users Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 2:51 PM Subject: RE: Clean Screen > Adult or infant size Booger? I guess the layer of stale urine deposited on the > screen serves as a lubricant and the feces are a polishing agent? ;-) > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brad Burean [mailto:Burean@email.msn.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 1:11 PM > > To: Julian Thomas > > Cc: Thinkpad Users > > Subject: Re: Clean Screen > > > > > > Old t-shirt... nah well used cotton diaper! > > > > > > Booger > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Julian Thomas > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 8:42 AM > > Subject: Re: Clean Screen > > > > > > > In <000201c00bdb$ee625920$6401a8c0@tp1480>, on 08/21/00 > > > at 09:53 PM, "Jim Biggerstaff" typed: > > > > > > >Nothng beats an old t-shirt as a cleaning pad. > > > > > > Be sure it's 100% cotton. > > > > > > -- > > > Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt > > > In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! > > > Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc > > > http://www.possi.org > > > -- -- > > > Stupidity is NOT a survival trait. > > > > > > > > > From cph Tue Aug 22 16:31:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA29839 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:31:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04471; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:27:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03957; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03893; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (147.160.207.10 -> tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:27:31 -0400 Received: from molnar [10.0.0.167] by tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (SMTPD32-6.00) id A0B87BA70140; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:21:12 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: Subject: AMD 133 upgrade Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:27:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: At the risk of sounding totally illiterate, what is the AMD upgrade for ThinkPads and where can I purchase this animal for my 2 755CD's ? I could benefit from some additional steam in the boiler. I really hate to give up these machines. Mike Lingenfelter Technology Coordinator / Network Administrator Bellwood-Antis School District (814)742-2279 OFFICE (814)941-0141 HOME (814)931-0398 EMERGENCY From cph Tue Aug 22 17:37:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA30396 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:37:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12875; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:35:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12599; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12585; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:35:05 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-233.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.233]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.2) with ESMTP id e7MLYvm00402; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:34:57 -0700 Message-ID: <39A2F1FD.23CB1643@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:34:53 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James H. E. Maugham" CC: Brad Burean , Julian Thomas , Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Clean Screen References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > > Adult or infant size Booger? I guess the layer of stale urine deposited on the > screen serves as a lubricant and the feces are a polishing agent? ;-) Yeeeeaaack!!! I think I'm gonna be ill. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Aug 22 17:39:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA30415 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:39:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13398; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:38:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13213; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13182; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243 -> maynard.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:38:00 -0400 Received: from cjsibm (ftw-tx28-31.ix.netcom.com [205.187.95.159]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06026 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:37:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Charles J Schultz SR" To: Subject: Installing second drive in 770Z Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:33:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi I've been trying to install a second drive in my 770Z. It's a Toshiba MK6409MAV . I purchased the second hard drive adapter and drive housing but the housing came with a ribbon cable with no pin assignments marked on it and don't know for sure how to tell which is pin 1. The drive is clearly marked. Also do I need to jumper the drive as a slave when installing it in the adapter? Any help would be appreciated as I'm having no luck seeing the drive in bios. Chuck From cph Tue Aug 22 19:29:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA31207 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:29:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19618; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:26:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18807; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18762; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:26:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.36 -> imo-d04.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:26:17 -0400 Received: from Law116@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id o.d9.8a7165c (2174) for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:03:40 EDT Subject: unsubscribe To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.1 for Windows sub 33 List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph Tue Aug 22 19:30:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA31223 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:30:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19616; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:26:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18731; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18706; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:26:12 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA28312; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:37:19 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001001c00c89$94a0e880$2c62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , References: Subject: Re: AMD 133 upgrade Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:37:35 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: There are several companies (possibly fewer than was true 2-3 years ago) who will replace the 486-50 or 486-75 cpu on many older laptops with the AMD586-133 chip, which provides P75 or greater performance on many benchmarks. (I don't think you can just do it yourself on the 755CD.) I don't know how much they charge these days for the upgrade, it used to be $300 or so, which hardly seems worth it nowadays with refurbed/used pentium thinkpads so widely available in the sub-$500 range. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:27 AM Subject: AMD 133 upgrade At the risk of sounding totally illiterate, what is the AMD upgrade for ThinkPads and where can I purchase this animal for my 2 755CD's ? I could benefit from some additional steam in the boiler. I really hate to give up these machines. Mike Lingenfelter Technology Coordinator / Network Administrator Bellwood-Antis School District (814)742-2279 OFFICE (814)941-0141 HOME (814)931-0398 EMERGENCY From cph Tue Aug 22 19:40:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA31357 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:40:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22034; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:38:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21728; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from deborah.paradise.net.nz (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21708; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from deborah.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.32 -> deborah.paradise.net.nz) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:38:11 -0400 Received: from snapper3 (203-79-95-4.apx0.paradise.net.nz [203.79.95.4]) by deborah.paradise.net.nz (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e7MMPG106487 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:25:17 +1200 (NZST) From: "Will Lau" To: Subject: SmartMedia as a Floppy drive on a 1 spindle? Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:25:59 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 List-Unsubscribe: OK slightly off topic but what the hell... I run a 600x but am thinking about going smaller cos I'm travelling all the time. I go months on end backpacking with a mobile office on my back. I actually need a floppy drive cos "SneakerNet" comes in handy at cybercafes when I cant find an available phoneline. Would this work as an ultra-portable FDD?... 1. SmartMedia Card 2. SM to PCMCIA adaptor. 3. SM to Floppy adaptor. I can then "sneakernet" data using this fancy Smartmedia floppy Disk. Just a PCMCIA slot is required - then I can go 1 spindle. Or do you need to install software on the Host PC to read a SmartMedia card posing as a Floppy? Opinions appreciated. From cph Tue Aug 22 22:04:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA32227 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:04:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02474; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:00:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02107; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02087; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:59:57 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com ([216.199.4.209]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA09747 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A35A21.4C1@southeast.net> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:59:13 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Refund from IBM?? Anyone?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello Group, I have a question. Has ANYONE ever received a Refund from IBM for a totally defective Thinkpad Laptop? IF SO, WHO did you talk to? I have a unit that has spent more time at EZ Serv than at my house (well almost), and I am just at the point where I need to get my investment back from it. The computer is less than 3 months old. If you could please reply back to me ASAP, I would appreciate it very much.!! Jim From cph Tue Aug 22 23:14:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA32631 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:14:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07176; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:11:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06946; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06931; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:11:44 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a37.pm3-24.theriver.com [206.102.192.53]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4059025E1E; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:11:36 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <39A341E6.737BE4A@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:15:50 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600E: What audio chip am I using ? References: <200008192111.XAA19882@mail.swissonline.ch> <20000820090146.80ACCBDEF@seneca.muc.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Harald Milz wrote: > > Francois Hurter wrote: > > I have a ThinkPad 600E type 2645-550 > > How can I know what kind of sound chip this laptop uses ? > > CS4236B, mostly. > Myt 600E, a 2645-5AU is equipped with a CS4239. The CS4236 driver works just fine under Linux... James Mckenzie From cph Wed Aug 23 00:07:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA00415 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:07:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10164; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:04:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09928; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09915; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.110 -> pilot010.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:04:40 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm456-10.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.68]) by pilot010.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA91672 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:04:31 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000823000056.00b5ef00@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:04:29 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Refund from IBM?? Anyone?? In-Reply-To: <39A35A21.4C1@southeast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Jim, the best way to achieve your goals is to send the unit back in again, along with a nice letter explaining all the problems. Thats going to do one of two things: 1) it will get the unit into the hands of the raid team and they'll fix it, or 2) they won't, and you can investigate your legal options. Either way, you need to send it in and see if they can't fix it for you. IBM does *not* want to get bad press, here or anywhere else about their units. It is in their interest to get this resolved; the biggest problem I'll bet (and Bill Morrow might be able to shed light on this) is that IBM is so incredibly huge that getting ahold of the right people might take some doing. But first you must send it in. --STeve Andre' At 09:59 PM 8/22/00 -0700, Computer-Guru wrote: >Hello Group, > >I have a question. Has ANYONE ever received a Refund from IBM for a >totally defective Thinkpad Laptop? IF SO, WHO did you talk to? > >I have a unit that has spent more time at EZ Serv than at my house (well >almost), and I am just at the point where I need to get my investment >back from it. The computer is less than 3 months old. > >If you could please reply back to me ASAP, I would appreciate it very >much.!! > >Jim From cph Wed Aug 23 00:26:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA00500 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:26:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11329; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:24:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11167; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot008.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11154; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot008.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.108 -> pilot008.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:24:24 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm456-10.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.68]) by pilot008.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA40282 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:24:21 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000823000754.00e69340@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:24:20 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: SmartMedia as a Floppy drive on a 1 spindle? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: How sturdy is your floppy drive (I've had very little experience with ThinkPad external floppies)? If it's good, then I'd just about automatically recommend using that over an PCMCIA card. Why? Because I've yet to see a PCMCIA card which has any form of connector which I would consider *reliable* over a long period of time. I detest XJACK connectors (I'm now adept at repairing them), I HATE dongles, having performed surgery on the little teeny tiny pins in their connectors (HATE them), and have fought other PCMCIA cards along the way. The ONLY PCMCIA connector I have seen which is mostly OK is my Xircom Ethernet/Modem combo card which has RJ-11/45 connectors at the end, which makes it easy to plug things in. But even this is having problems, in that the card becomes positively amorous with network plugs at times... So, how's your floppy system compared to a PCMCIA card? I'll bet its better. I have one user with a 600x (I've seen this unit only twice in eight months, so reliable it's been) and he's never had a problem with his drive. I will bet that IBM's solution is a better one. --STeve Andre' At 10:25 AM 8/23/00 +1200, you wrote: >OK slightly off topic but what the hell... > >I run a 600x but am thinking about going smaller cos I'm travelling all the >time. I go months on end backpacking with a mobile office on my back. I >actually need a floppy drive cos "SneakerNet" comes in handy at cybercafes >when I cant find an available phoneline. Would this work as an >ultra-portable FDD?... > >1. SmartMedia Card >2. SM to PCMCIA adaptor. >3. SM to Floppy adaptor. > >I can then "sneakernet" data using this fancy Smartmedia floppy Disk. Just a >PCMCIA slot is required - then I can go 1 spindle. Or do you need to install >software on the Host PC to read a SmartMedia card posing as a Floppy? > >Opinions appreciated. From cph Wed Aug 23 00:36:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA00544 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:36:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12331; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:33:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12157; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12144; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:33:20 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-477.gate.net [199.227.173.223]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA145326; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:33:17 -0400 Message-ID: <39A35434.7F00E4CE@gate.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:33:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pctech@southeast.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Refund from IBM?? Anyone?? References: <39A35A21.4C1@southeast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: you can e-mail lou gerstner.. someone from his office will most likely contact you.. but when you DO e-mail lou, have all your data lined up, in order and presented well.. so you say more, or almost more, time at easy serve than at home..? document that.. what might happen is they will replace the machine.. OH!! be reasonable.. :-) Computer-Guru wrote: > Hello Group, > > I have a question. Has ANYONE ever received a Refund from IBM for a > totally defective Thinkpad Laptop? IF SO, WHO did you talk to? > > I have a unit that has spent more time at EZ Serv than at my house (well > almost), and I am just at the point where I need to get my investment > back from it. The computer is less than 3 months old. > > If you could please reply back to me ASAP, I would appreciate it very > much.!! > > Jim -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Wed Aug 23 00:42:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA00571 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:42:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12942; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:39:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12789; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12776; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:39:03 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.184]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000823043902.HOF17157.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 04:39:02 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000823003607.00a84710@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:36:07 -0400 To: penzance@gate.net, pctech@southeast.net From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Refund from IBM?? Anyone?? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <39A35434.7F00E4CE@gate.net> References: <39A35A21.4C1@southeast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:33 AM 08/23/2000 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >OH!! be reasonable.. :-) > And polite yet firm. From cph Wed Aug 23 01:52:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA00825 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:52:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15921; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:50:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15749; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15735; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:50:12 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-477.gate.net [199.227.173.223]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11738; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:50:07 -0400 Message-ID: <39A36636.B66124E@gate.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:50:47 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: Kathe Robin , Thinkpad list Subject: Re: Maximum Size internal drive for 760ED? References: <200008202348.TAA25763@mail3.magma.ca> <39A07543.3AAC4D42@cheatriver.com> <39A079CC.6087@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the problem is with larger than 6.4gig, the floppy won't access.. and now it is more trouble than its worth to dig into this and try to come up with a solution.. though, the IBM site has this: dc25029.exe which purports to set up a larger HDD on an older computer.. when i have a chance, i'll see if it will do this with a 12gig on a 760 series.. :-) the key word is TIME.. with hurricane Debby keep to this heading, i might be otherwise engaged toward the end of this week.. :-o Bruce Markowitz wrote: > 6.4 gig, unless someone has gone higher (maybe with EZDRIVE?) > > Kathe Robin wrote: > > > > Can anyone tell me what the maximum size internal HD a TP 760ED can > > handle properly? I've got 104 Mb of RAM and am running MS Windows NT > > 4.0 Server w/SP 5, currently using a 5 Mb drive. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Max > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > email: m_robin@cheatriver.com > > > > smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. > > Cheat River Engineering Inc. > > 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 > > Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 > > > > voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 or 973 - 627 - 5460 > > ------------------------------------------------------- -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Wed Aug 23 02:00:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA00844 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:00:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16741; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:58:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16566; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16553; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:58:26 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-477.gate.net [199.227.173.223]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11696; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:58:10 -0400 Message-ID: <39A36819.AAE786F6@gate.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:58:49 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: turgut kalfaoglu CC: "esupport@us.ibm.com" , DB2-EUG List , Os/2 List , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Amazing... References: <200008220618.JAA21903@home.egenet.com.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: webboard 4 only supports two database 'engines'.. the MS DB or SQL DB.. keep in mind that i have not worked with webboard 4 for at least 9 months, so i might have transposed some acronyms.. :-) BUT, of this i am sure, webboard supports ONLY TWO.. and the IBM one is not one.. turgut kalfaoglu wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > I was just posting a message to the Thinkpad discussion list, http://www7.pc.ibm.com/~Thinkpad/login > and got an interesting error message. > > Is this really IBM's webboard? Crashing with a Microsoft SQL Server > error? Why aren't they using their own reliable DB2 instead? > > - -turgut > > 8/22/2000 02:06:57 (Thinkpad) Turgut Kalfaoglu (tkalfaoglu) ERROR in > WebBoardServer4.WB_MsgSave(): #0: S1008: [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server > Driver]Operation canceled (1) #3146: ODBC--call failed. (2) > > Please note what you were doing when this problem occurred, so we can identify and correct it. > Write down the Web page you were using, any data you may have entered into a form or > search box, and anything else that may help us duplicate the problem. Then contact the > administrator of this service: > > esupport@us.ibm.com > > - -- > turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. > EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 > Charset: noconv > > iQCVAwUBOaECMzJjYwErN0xZAQEpUQP/bojhkxhwYHD9kNNpDBdu0YOaeJzXW83Q > f+nz6PEZ7dgnjibpqgJs9dz33/qm+n83zNggDLjRPhs1Y/tT2rGSG9mikiqZRlNU > GEEb6c0CEA0Jp1PqHpU3owmDQxAsxXTaq9TojcYcYAo39htxSAF3UUbP0kZ0yHjZ > 7fTKJM3tLpQ= > =RBXj > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Windows Error 039: Please Insert Your Favorite Error Here -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Wed Aug 23 02:16:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA00902 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:16:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17885; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:14:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17666; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17653; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:14:56 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-477.gate.net [199.227.173.223]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA22794 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:14:53 -0400 Message-ID: <39A36C05.DF8CD56C@gate.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:15:33 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: [Fwd: Rejected posting to OS2-L@NIC.SURFNET.NL] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Rejected posting to OS2-L@NIC.SURFNET.NL Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:58:24 +0200 From: "L-Soft list server at SURFnet (The Netherlands) (1.8d)" To: penzance@GATE.NET You are not authorized to send mail to the OS2-L list >from your penzance@GATE.NET account. You might be authorized to send to the list from another of your accounts, or perhaps when using another mail program which generates slightly different addresses, but LISTSERV has no way to associate this other account or address with yours. If you need assistance or if you have any question regarding the policy of the OS2-L list, please contact the list owners: OS2-L-request@NIC.SURFNET.NL. ------------------------ Rejected message (80 lines) -------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7) by nic.surfnet.nl (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.FFB0D662@nic.surfnet.nl>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 7:58:23 +0200 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-477.gate.net [199.227.173.223]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11696; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:58:10 -0400 Message-ID: <39A36819.AAE786F6@gate.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:58:49 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: turgut kalfaoglu CC: "esupport@us.ibm.com" , DB2-EUG List , Os/2 List , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Amazing... References: <200008220618.JAA21903@home.egenet.com.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit webboard 4 only supports two database 'engines'.. the MS DB or SQL DB.. keep in mind that i have not worked with webboard 4 for at least 9 months, so i might have transposed some acronyms.. :-) BUT, of this i am sure, webboard supports ONLY TWO.. and the IBM one is not one.. turgut kalfaoglu wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > I was just posting a message to the Thinkpad discussion list, http://www7.pc.ibm.com/~Thinkpad/login > and got an interesting error message. > > Is this really IBM's webboard? Crashing with a Microsoft SQL Server > error? Why aren't they using their own reliable DB2 instead? > > - -turgut > > 8/22/2000 02:06:57 (Thinkpad) Turgut Kalfaoglu (tkalfaoglu) ERROR in > WebBoardServer4.WB_MsgSave(): #0: S1008: [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server > Driver]Operation canceled (1) #3146: ODBC--call failed. (2) > > Please note what you were doing when this problem occurred, so we can identify and correct it. > Write down the Web page you were using, any data you may have entered into a form or > search box, and anything else that may help us duplicate the problem. Then contact the > administrator of this service: > > esupport@us.ibm.com > > - -- > turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. > EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 > Charset: noconv > > iQCVAwUBOaECMzJjYwErN0xZAQEpUQP/bojhkxhwYHD9kNNpDBdu0YOaeJzXW83Q > f+nz6PEZ7dgnjibpqgJs9dz33/qm+n83zNggDLjRPhs1Y/tT2rGSG9mikiqZRlNU > GEEb6c0CEA0Jp1PqHpU3owmDQxAsxXTaq9TojcYcYAo39htxSAF3UUbP0kZ0yHjZ > 7fTKJM3tLpQ= > =RBXj > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Windows Error 039: Please Insert Your Favorite Error Here -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Wed Aug 23 02:18:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA00906 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:18:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18320; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:16:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17816; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17791; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:16:24 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-477.gate.net [199.227.173.223]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA219934 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:16:22 -0400 Message-ID: <39A36C5D.C5FF1B12@gate.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:17:01 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: [Fwd: List Server Error] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: if a correspondent wants an answer, perhaps an address to which a response may be sent would be a good idea.. :-) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: List Server Error Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:58:55 -0700 (PDT) From: db2eug-errors@lists.best.com To: Bill Morrow I'm sorry, this list requires that you be a subscribed user to execute this command or post to the list. :From owner-db2eug Tue Aug 22 22:58:50 2000 :Received: from shuswap.gate.net (root@shuswap.gate.net [216.219.246.7]) by lists1.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.ls) with ESMTP id WAA15113 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:58:22 -0700 (PDT) :Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-477.gate.net [199.227.173.223]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11696; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:58:10 -0400 :Message-ID: <39A36819.AAE786F6@gate.net> :Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:58:49 -0400 :From: Bill Morrow :Reply-To: penzance@gate.net :X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) :X-Accept-Language: en :MIME-Version: 1.0 :To: turgut kalfaoglu :CC: "esupport@us.ibm.com" , DB2-EUG List , Os/2 List , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" :Subject: Re: Amazing... :References: <200008220618.JAA21903@home.egenet.com.tr> :Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii :Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit : :webboard 4 only supports two database 'engines'.. :the MS DB or SQL DB.. : :keep in mind that i have not worked with webboard 4 for at least 9 months, so i might have transposed :some acronyms.. :-) :BUT, of this i am sure, webboard supports ONLY TWO.. and the IBM one is not one.. : :turgut kalfaoglu wrote: : :> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- :> :> I was just posting a message to the Thinkpad discussion list, http://www7.pc.ibm.com/~Thinkpad/login :> and got an interesting error message. :> :> Is this really IBM's webboard? Crashing with a Microsoft SQL Server :> error? Why aren't they using their own reliable DB2 instead? :> :> - -turgut :> :> 8/22/2000 02:06:57 (Thinkpad) Turgut Kalfaoglu (tkalfaoglu) ERROR in :> WebBoardServer4.WB_MsgSave(): #0: S1008: [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server :> Driver]Operation canceled (1) #3146: ODBC--call failed. (2) :> :> Please note what you were doing when this problem occurred, so we can identify and correct it. :> Write down the Web page you were using, any data you may have entered into a for :... From cph Wed Aug 23 02:20:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA00919 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:20:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18954; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:19:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18755; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18742; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:19:10 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-477.gate.net [199.227.173.223]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA18138; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:19:07 -0400 Message-ID: <39A36D02.D131FC14@gate.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:19:46 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Will Lau CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: SmartMedia as a Floppy drive on a 1 spindle? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Will.. the SM to Floppy i use requires software on the host.. i imagine the same MAY be the case with PCMCIA.. but if using a recent windows OS, PCMCIA support should be part of the OS.. Will Lau wrote: > OK slightly off topic but what the hell... > > I run a 600x but am thinking about going smaller cos I'm travelling all the > time. I go months on end backpacking with a mobile office on my back. I > actually need a floppy drive cos "SneakerNet" comes in handy at cybercafes > when I cant find an available phoneline. Would this work as an > ultra-portable FDD?... > > 1. SmartMedia Card > 2. SM to PCMCIA adaptor. > 3. SM to Floppy adaptor. > > I can then "sneakernet" data using this fancy Smartmedia floppy Disk. Just a > PCMCIA slot is required - then I can go 1 spindle. Or do you need to install > software on the Host PC to read a SmartMedia card posing as a Floppy? > > Opinions appreciated. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Wed Aug 23 02:25:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA00940 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:25:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19501; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:23:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19361; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web112.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19348; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web112.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.82 -> web112.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:23:44 -0400 Received: (qmail 28824 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2000 06:23:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000823062343.28823.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web112.yahoomail.com; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:23:43 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:23:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: It looks like IBM has finally been pressured into providing a warranty for their NEWEST drives even if there is no information on the warranty itself. They are so unreliable and short lived they had to start at least SAYING there was a warranty in order to sell any! But how does that help all of us who currently own their worthless drives that have no warranty? --- "Ronald W. Heiby" wrote: > Monday, August 21, 2000, 2:54:51 PM, David wrote: > > You have to look at the web page *for the drive*; > in this case I gave > > the website for the 12gn series, > > > http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/tr12gn.htm > > Oh, *there*! > > Ron. > > ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Wed Aug 23 02:46:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA01019 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:46:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20829; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:43:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20673; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web112.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20660; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web112.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.82 -> web112.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:43:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 360 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2000 06:43:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20000823064350.359.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web112.yahoomail.com; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:43:50 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:43:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: If you're so smart, let's see you find the warranty for my dead Travelstar 4.8Gb drive, DBCA-204860. See, even self proclaimed know it alls like you can be misled by IBM! Hint, the link is: http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/prod/ts6gn.htm --- David Ross wrote: > > but I believe that all the travelstars have a > similar warrantee. > > I understand that sometimes IBM doesn't put this > kind of information in > the most obvious place > - all of us on this list are well aware of the IBM > website > shortcomings! - but this really wasn't all that > hard to find. > > BTW, in my experience when large dealers (such as > NECX) give a spec list > on their website for > an IBM product, they have inevitably copied it > verbatim from IBM, so I > usually look > first at NECX (which is a much easier site to > navigate). > > - David R. > ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Wed Aug 23 03:00:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA01054 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 03:00:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21693; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:57:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21474; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot02.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21461; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot02.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.22 -> pilot02.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:57:27 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm456-10.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.68]) by pilot02.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7N6vON105582 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:57:24 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000823023201.00e68bb0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:57:22 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed In-Reply-To: <20000823062343.28823.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Sigh.... IBM has always had a warranty on their disks, Steve. If you don't believe that, why don't you call IBM and verify that? You are confusing IBM's sometimes Byzantine web pages with the concept that warranties are new to them, which simply isn't the case. Remember, the web is a useful tool, but should not be considered "the source" for things, not if you really care about something--like a warranty. I understand that you are in a bad situation, having bought a drive with no apparent warranty. This is indeed unfortunate, and is very much the downside of "grey market" that exists in the technology market. But making claims like IBM has only recently been pressured into offering a warranty is simple nonsense. You do the list a disservice when making blatantly false claims. --STeve Andre' At 11:23 PM 8/22/00 -0700, Steve C. wrote: >It looks like IBM has finally been pressured into >providing a warranty for their NEWEST drives even if >there is no information on the warranty itself. >They are so unreliable and short lived they had to >start at least SAYING there was a warranty in order to >sell any! >But how does that help all of us who currently own >their worthless drives that have no warranty? > >--- "Ronald W. Heiby" wrote: > > Monday, August 21, 2000, 2:54:51 PM, David wrote: > > > You have to look at the web page *for the drive*; > > in this case I gave > > > the website for the 12gn series, > > >http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/tr12gn.htm > > > > Oh, *there*! > > > > Ron. From cph Wed Aug 23 03:51:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA01264 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 03:51:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25485; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 03:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 03:48:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25285; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 03:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25267; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 03:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 03:48:37 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA00536 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:48:30 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002f01c00cd6$9411c0e0$7362183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: <20000823064350.359.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:43:32 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: The warrantee on the 6GN series drives - including yours - is clearly listed as 3 years at http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/familyspec/travelspe c1.htm Please do not translate your own inability to navigate IBM's (admittedly horrible) website with any deficiency on my part; I am practically perfect in every way. I will waste no more time on this thread. See, if you'd played nice I would have told you where you could buy another drive exactly like the one you have, but with a 1 year dealer warrantee, for only $110. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve C." To: Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 8:43 PM Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed If you're so smart, let's see you find the warranty for my dead Travelstar 4.8Gb drive, DBCA-204860. See, even self proclaimed know it alls like you can be misled by IBM! Hint, the link is: http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/prod/ts6gn.htm --- David Ross wrote: > > but I believe that all the travelstars have a > similar warrantee. > > I understand that sometimes IBM doesn't put this > kind of information in > the most obvious place > - all of us on this list are well aware of the IBM > website > shortcomings! - but this really wasn't all that > hard to find. > > BTW, in my experience when large dealers (such as > NECX) give a spec list > on their website for > an IBM product, they have inevitably copied it > verbatim from IBM, so I > usually look > first at NECX (which is a much easier site to > navigate). > > - David R. > ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Wed Aug 23 04:11:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA01365 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 04:11:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27898; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 04:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 04:08:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27664; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 04:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from microvst.demon.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27567; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 04:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from microvst.demon.co.uk (158.152.56.133 -> microvst.demon.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 04:08:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:15:41 +0100 BST From: thinkpad@microvst.demon.co.uk (Anthony R. Gold) Reply-To: tgold@panix.com Message-Id: <2002430@panix.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [Fwd: List Server Error] X-Mailer: PCElm 1.12 beta 3 Lines: 9 List-Unsubscribe: In message <39A36C5D.C5FF1B12@gate.net> Bill Morrow writes: > if a correspondent wants an answer, perhaps an address to which a > response may be sent would be a good idea.. :-) The administrator of this list is Keith Moore . Regards, -- Tony - G3SKR / W2TG email: tgold@panix.com From cph Wed Aug 23 06:09:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA01747 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:09:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08932; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:05:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08659; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08645; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaaa.compuserve.com (149.174.177.150 -> hs-img-1.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:05:48 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id GAA13874 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:05:20 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: How to setup 2nd HDD ? Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200008230605_MC2-B09C-7F4@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id GAA01748 Hi I have just got hold of a 2nd HDD adapter for my 755CX... what needs to be setup? I have adjusted the startup routine in the EasySetup BIOS, but how to let W98 see it? Thanks anyone Mark From cph Wed Aug 23 06:54:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA02077 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:54:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11053; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:52:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10905; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10892; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:52:13 -0400 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-29.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.29]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA05168 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000823065731.0085c280@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:57:31 -0700 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Urinating Contests 101 In-Reply-To: <002f01c00cd6$9411c0e0$7362183f@math.hawaii.edu> References: <20000823064350.359.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hey guys, keep the punches above the belt or a point WILL be deducted. >;-P At 09:43 PM 08/22/2000 -1000, David Ross wrote: >The warrantee on the 6GN series drives - including yours - is clearly >listed as 3 years at >http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/familyspec/travelspe >c1.htm > >Please do not translate your own inability to navigate IBM's (admittedly >horrible) website >with any deficiency on my part; I am practically perfect in every way. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I love sarcastic humor! :) > >I will waste no more time on this thread. See, if you'd played nice I >would have told you where >you could buy another drive exactly like the one you have, but with a 1 >year dealer warrantee, for only >$110. Didn't pissing contests go out of style circa ~150BC? >- David R. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve C." >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 8:43 PM >Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed > > >If you're so smart, let's see you find the warranty >for my dead Travelstar 4.8Gb drive, DBCA-204860. >See, even self proclaimed know it alls like you can be >misled by IBM! > >Hint, the link is: >http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/prod/ts6gn.htm > >--- David Ross wrote: >> >> but I believe that all the travelstars have a >> similar warrantee. >> >> I understand that sometimes IBM doesn't put this >> kind of information in >> the most obvious place >> - all of us on this list are well aware of the IBM >> website >> shortcomings! - but this really wasn't all that >> hard to find. >> >> BTW, in my experience when large dealers (such as >> NECX) give a spec list >> on their website for >> an IBM product, they have inevitably copied it >> verbatim from IBM, so I >> usually look >> first at NECX (which is a much easier site to >> navigate). ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Aug 23 09:26:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA02691 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:26:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20291; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:24:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20135; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.nw.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20120; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.nw.smtp.psi.net (38.9.154.2 -> relay1.nw.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:24:30 -0400 Received: from [206.5.165.109] (helo=GREGORYZEQXR4X) by relay1.nw.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13RaW4-0001UK-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:24:28 -0400 From: "Gregory Harris" To: Subject: Dell tops A20P resolution Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:25:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c00d05$8b636b40$6da505ce@valuespeed.clom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Hi everybody, I just found the link to this article from SlashDot and expect that you would be interested. Dell has announced new displays on their new 5000e models at 1600x1200. In the past, I thought it was always IBM leading LCD resolutions. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-2584042.html?tag=st.ne.1002.tgif.ni Cheers, Greg Harris From cph Wed Aug 23 09:58:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA02906 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:58:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22937; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:55:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22758; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22744; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:55:54 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-16.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.121]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA06177 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:55:52 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: TP 760 Ext. Floppy Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:58:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: If anyone has been looking for an external floppy drive, housing and cable for their 760 series machine, Louie the Liquidator has them for $35. These should also fit any of the 755 series IIRC. 1.44 EXT FLOPPY FOR THNKPD 760 BLK W/CBL - $35.00 ITEM#...EXT FDD http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/product.asp?sku=EXT+FDD&dept%5Fid=6 Regards, James PS: I get dibs on the Jellybeans! ;-) From cph Wed Aug 23 10:02:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA02946 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:02:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23443; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:59:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23270; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23243; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (216.100.248.113 -> adsl-216-100-248-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:59:43 -0400 Received: from cinnamon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cinnamon.com (8.10.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id e7NE1JA01617; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008231401.e7NE1JA01617@cinnamon.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.0 09/18/1999 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: bandy@cinnamon.com Subject: Re: SmartMedia as a Floppy drive on a 1 spindle? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:24:20 EDT." <4.3.2.7.0.20000823000754.00e69340@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:01:19 -0700 From: Andy Beals List-Unsubscribe: I'm pretty sure you need to install software on the host pc to read the flashpath [smartmedia "floppy"]. From cph Wed Aug 23 11:13:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA03392 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:13:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00296; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:11:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00108; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00075; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:10:59 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-16.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.121]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09892; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:10:41 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , Cc: "Thinkpad list" Subject: RE: Maximum Size internal drive for 760ED? Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:13:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39A36636.B66124E@gate.net> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Bill and all, There's been the PIIX IDE driver for Windows NT http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3TZP3T.html available for some time that purports to support larger drives under NT on the following systems. "This package provides the IDE driver for Microsoft Windows NT users." "This package enables or updates the IDE driver of the following ThinkPad computers: - ThinkPad 365X, 365XD - ThinkPad 560X, 560Z - ThinkPad 570, 570E - ThinkPad 600, 600E, 600X - ThinkPad 760E, 760ED, 760EL, 760ELD - ThinkPad 760XD, 760XL - ThinkPad 765D, 765L - ThinkPad 770, 770E, 770ED, 770X, 770Z - ThinkPad A20m, A20p - ThinkPad T20" I'm not running NT on any of my Thinkpads, but I've been considering loading this driver on my 760XL and seeing if it would support a 12GB drive under W2K. If this is a .SYS file that updates the IDE driver at the BIOS level, why isn't there a .SYS update available for other than NT? If it's an NT .SYS driver only, then how does it overcome the apparent 6.4GB limitation in the BIOS of my 760XL? What say you all? Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:51 AM > To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net > Cc: Kathe Robin; Thinkpad list > Subject: Re: Maximum Size internal drive for 760ED? > > > the problem is with larger than 6.4gig, the floppy won't access.. > and now it is more trouble than its worth to dig into this and try to come > up with a solution.. > though, the IBM site has this: dc25029.exe > which purports to set up a larger HDD on an older computer.. From cph Wed Aug 23 13:52:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA04364 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:52:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15834; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:48:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15431; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaac.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15418; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaac.compuserve.com (149.174.177.148 -> hs-img-3.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:48:23 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id NAA06130 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:47:26 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: AMD 133 upgrade Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200008231348_MC2-B0C3-92F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA04365 www.portables.com list many options for Tpad upgrades... ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: INTERNET:mwl@blwd.k12.pa.us, INTERNET:mwl@blwd.k12.pa.us TO: thinkpad, INTERNET:THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu DATE: 22/08/00 21:29 RE: AMD 133 upgrade At the risk of sounding totally illiterate, what is the AMD upgrade for ThinkPads and where can I purchase this animal for my 2 755CD's ? I could benefit from some additional steam in the boiler. I really hate to give up these machines. Mike Lingenfelter Technology Coordinator / Network Administrator Bellwood-Antis School District (814)742-2279 OFFICE (814)941-0141 HOME (814)931-0398 EMERGENCY ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- Sender: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by spdmgaad.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) with ESMTP id QAA18901; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04020; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:27:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03957; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03893; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (147.160.207.10 -> tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:27:31 -0400 Received: from molnar [10.0.0.167] by tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (SMTPD32-6.00) id A0B87BA70140; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:21:12 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: Subject: AMD 133 upgrade Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:27:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: From cph Wed Aug 23 14:19:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA04558 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:19:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18531; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:17:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18298; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18248; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.14 -> mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:17:47 -0400 Received: (qmail 81881 invoked by alias); 23 Aug 2000 18:17:46 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 81821 invoked by uid 0); 23 Aug 2000 18:17:45 -0000 Received: from dialupjj207.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.35.207) by mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 2000 18:17:45 -0000 Message-ID: <005d01c00d2e$7eed9510$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "James H. E. Maugham" , , Cc: "Thinkpad list" References: Subject: Re: Maximum Size internal drive for 760ED? Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:18:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: The SYS file does not affect the BIOS. The SYS file *replaces* the BIOS. The BIOS accesses the disk in a certain way, and the driver accesses the hardware another way. If it can be done with a driver, it can be done in the BIOS, but IBM may not invest the time to actually do it. ...like they won't make a new driver for the sound on my 750P... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: ; Cc: "Thinkpad list" Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:13 AM Subject: RE: Maximum Size internal drive for 760ED? > If this is a .SYS file that updates the IDE driver at the BIOS level, why isn't > there a .SYS update available for other than NT? If it's an NT .SYS driver only, > then how does it overcome the apparent 6.4GB limitation in the BIOS of my 760XL? From cph Wed Aug 23 16:00:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA05178 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:00:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27415; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:57:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27126; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27115; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:57:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.65 -> imo-r11.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:57:15 -0400 Received: from Law116@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id o.77.8aaea25 (2174) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <77.8aaea25.26d5868c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:57:00 EDT Subject: http://law116.77th.com/ To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.1 for Windows sub 33 List-Unsubscribe: http://law116.77th.com/ From cph Wed Aug 23 16:06:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA05226 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:06:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28212; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:04:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28015; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27999; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:04:30 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.203.40 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:03:43 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01c00d3d$ba6018c0$d0ca1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: ext battery charger Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:06:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Anybody got one of those extend external battery chargers for the thinkpad 560? I had a good battery that is completely dead, and my machine won't bring it back up. In the past before I foolishly sold my ext charger, it could sometimes charge "dead" batteries. Anybody got one? Booger From cph Wed Aug 23 16:57:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA05534 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:57:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02473; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:54:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02190; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02177; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (149.174.206.155 -> ds-img-rel-2.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:54:26 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id QAA29892 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-gvt-vty25.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-gvt-vty25.as.wcom.net [216.192.152.25]) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id QAA29863; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:31:08 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <382512220.20000823113108@falkor.chi.il.us> To: "David Ross" CC: "Jim Biggerstaff" , "Allan Ballard" , "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Re: Clean Screen In-reply-To: <003901c00bdd$62a607e0$5e8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> References: <200008220112.VAA23527@smtp6.mindspring.com> <000201c00bdb$ee625920$6401a8c0@tp1480> <003901c00bdd$62a607e0$5e8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Monday, August 21, 2000, 9:05:00 PM, David wrote: > Well, one thing - microfiber cloth. I noticed that 3M recently came out with some really nice microfiber cloths. I bought a 3-pack (pink, yellow, blue) from Sam's Club for something like $10. Work great on the screen, my eyeglasses, etc. My wife talked me into buying another pack. Now, I have one at my office desk, home desk, briefcase, dresser, my car, and wife's car. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. iQA/AwUBOaP8SW8pw+2/9pUJEQL+kgCfRz+1H6gnPUWhBJBJbk/NhDmxj6oAnA4T fVTDAyg82D/oHR0Uo8V+bMYT =Ha5h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Wed Aug 23 17:57:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA06009 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:57:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08332; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:54:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07633; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07566; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:54:10 -0400 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-9.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.9]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA20007 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000823175932.0172edc0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:59:32 -0700 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution In-Reply-To: <000701c00d05$8b636b40$6da505ce@valuespeed.clom> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:25 AM 08/23/2000 -0400, Gregory Harris wrote: >Hi everybody, > >I just found the link to this article from SlashDot and expect that you >would be interested. > >Dell has announced new displays on their new 5000e models at 1600x1200. > >In the past, I thought it was always IBM leading LCD resolutions. > >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-2584042.html?tag=st.ne.1002.tgif.ni This resolution is more to my liking.. It is much more standard than 1400 x 1050. I hope IBM follows suit... Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Aug 23 19:42:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA06793 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:42:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17433; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:40:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17224; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17211; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:40:31 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA72487; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BlackBird (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA86542; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <014b01c00d5c$03421a70$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , "Mark Bell" References: <3.0.6.32.20000823175932.0172edc0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:44:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Yes, but if you look closely you will see that it is implemented in the 15" form factor. This means there will be around 140 pixels per inch. For 50 year old eyes that is probably beyond the limit. My A20p seems to be about at the limit for me. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Bell" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 5:59 PM Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution > At 09:25 AM 08/23/2000 -0400, Gregory Harris wrote: > >Hi everybody, > > > >I just found the link to this article from SlashDot and expect that you > >would be interested. > > > >Dell has announced new displays on their new 5000e models at 1600x1200. > > > >In the past, I thought it was always IBM leading LCD resolutions. > > > >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-2584042.html?tag=st.ne.1002.tgif.ni > > This resolution is more to my liking.. It is much more standard than > 1400 x 1050. I hope IBM follows suit... > > Mark > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- > > From cph Wed Aug 23 20:57:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA07215 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:57:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22389; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:55:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22164; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22146; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:55:17 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-136.gate.net [199.227.20.199]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA159962; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:54:57 -0400 Message-ID: <39A44E6F.8F54AE@gate.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:21:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann CC: "James H. E. Maugham" , scosgt@worldnet.att.net, Thinkpad list Subject: Re: Maximum Size internal drive for 760ED? References: <005d01c00d2e$7eed9510$1000a8c0@cschumann> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: AND, FWIW, as an aside.. IBM is ramping down production of 6.4gig drives.. the multiple will be 5gig in the future.. 5, 10, 15, 20 & 30gig drives.. all 4200 RPM.. the 32gig is the exception.. 5411 RPM and not a 5gig multiple.. Chris Schumann wrote: > The SYS file does not affect the BIOS. The SYS file *replaces* the > BIOS. The BIOS accesses the disk in a certain way, and the driver > accesses the hardware another way. If it can be done with a driver, > it can be done in the BIOS, but IBM may not invest the time to actually > do it. > > ...like they won't make a new driver for the sound on my 750P... > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James H. E. Maugham" > To: ; > Cc: "Thinkpad list" > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:13 AM > Subject: RE: Maximum Size internal drive for 760ED? > > > If this is a .SYS file that updates the IDE driver at the BIOS level, > why isn't > > there a .SYS update available for other than NT? If it's an NT .SYS > driver only, > > then how does it overcome the apparent 6.4GB limitation in the BIOS of > my 760XL? -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Wed Aug 23 20:57:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA07219 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:57:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22433; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:55:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22111; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22096; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:55:10 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-136.gate.net [199.227.20.199]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA105752; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:55:04 -0400 Message-ID: <39A45E69.DF1036DE@gate.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:29:45 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James H. E. Maugham" CC: scosgt@worldnet.att.net, Thinkpad list Subject: Re: Maximum Size internal drive for 760ED? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: HUH!! what I say is i'm getting dizzy.. i asked ibm about this and the warranty issue today.. i expect some sort of response but nothing that will help either the warranty issue of OEM HDD's or the bios support issue of older thinkpads.. BUT, i think the limitation is a hardware issue and not a bios/driver issue.. if i had the time to compare the IDE interface on the 765 and older thinkpads and the 12gig or larger HDD's it might become obvious.. the telling point, i think, is that the floppy drive locks up with a larger than 6gig drive is in the machine.. "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > Bill and all, > > There's been the PIIX IDE driver for Windows NT > http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3TZP3T.html available for some time that > purports to support larger drives under NT on the following systems. > > "This package provides the IDE driver for Microsoft Windows NT users." > > "This package enables or updates the IDE driver of the following ThinkPad > computers: > - ThinkPad 365X, 365XD > - ThinkPad 560X, 560Z > - ThinkPad 570, 570E > - ThinkPad 600, 600E, 600X > - ThinkPad 760E, 760ED, 760EL, 760ELD > - ThinkPad 760XD, 760XL > - ThinkPad 765D, 765L > - ThinkPad 770, 770E, 770ED, 770X, 770Z > - ThinkPad A20m, A20p > - ThinkPad T20" > > I'm not running NT on any of my Thinkpads, but I've been considering loading > this driver on my 760XL and seeing if it would support a 12GB drive under W2K. > > If this is a .SYS file that updates the IDE driver at the BIOS level, why isn't > there a .SYS update available for other than NT? If it's an NT .SYS driver only, > then how does it overcome the apparent 6.4GB limitation in the BIOS of my 760XL? > > What say you all? > > Regards, > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:51 AM > > To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net > > Cc: Kathe Robin; Thinkpad list > > Subject: Re: Maximum Size internal drive for 760ED? > > > > > > the problem is with larger than 6.4gig, the floppy won't access.. > > and now it is more trouble than its worth to dig into this and try to come > > up with a solution.. > > though, the IBM site has this: dc25029.exe > > which purports to set up a larger HDD on an older computer.. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Wed Aug 23 22:37:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA07669 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:37:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29326; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:35:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29112; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29099; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:35:13 -0400 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-5.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.5]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA10329 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000823224032.0172d590@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:40:32 -0700 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution In-Reply-To: <014b01c00d5c$03421a70$0311a8c0@detayls.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000823175932.0172edc0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Well..... for these 29yr old eyes, that will definitely work. :) At 04:44 PM 08/23/2000 -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: >Yes, but if you look closely you will see that it is implemented in the 15" >form factor. > >This means there will be around 140 pixels per inch. > >For 50 year old eyes that is probably beyond the limit. > >My A20p seems to be about at the limit for me. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Aug 23 22:56:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA07772 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:56:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00846; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:54:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00680; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00664; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:54:06 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a39.pm3-29.theriver.com [206.102.195.103]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534B426443 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:17:04 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <39A4869F.52DC1569@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:21:19 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Thinkpad 760ED 4 Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Greetings: I have a Thinkpad 760ED for sale. 9546-U9A, P133, 8MB RAM, 2.1 GB HDD, Win95. Latest Drivers and BIOS loaded. Extras: Extreme Drive 2.1 GB drive with mirroring software and PCMCIA adapter (can be used as SECOND HDD without needing an extra adapter). 32MB EDO ram (2x16MB). Second battery. System will be cleaned and freshly loaded from reload disk from IBM. I have all accessories that shipped with this system. Asking $350 or best REASONABLE offer. Buyer pays shipping. DOCKII with a NEC 16X SCSI CDROM drive. Asking $100 or bset reasonable offer. Buyer pays shipping. Buy both and I'll 'throw in' a ZipPlus 100 MB external drive with software. I'll ask for private replies and comments. If you wonder why these items are for sale, I bought a 600E (and replaced a DELL desktop too).... James Mckenzie From cph Wed Aug 23 23:14:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA07879 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:14:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02029; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:11:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01868; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01837; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:11:39 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-42.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.42]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA12614 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 06:11:35 +0300 Message-Id: <200008240311.GAA12614@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 06:11:37 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: inexpensive SelectaDock III's on eBay X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zg List-Unsubscribe: In case any 600/760/770 owner is looking for a SelectaDock III, there's a lot of 10 going for $500 on eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=417884984) The sellers ("theteam") are reliable folks I have purchased from previously (no affiliation with them, however) and they ship internationally. I'm pretty sure they would sell the same item by the unit. -Dominique From cph Wed Aug 23 23:24:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA07938 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:24:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02930; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:22:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02611; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02552; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (203.96.92.15 -> mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:22:10 -0400 Received: from snapper3 ([210.55.116.37]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with SMTP id <20000824033059.DYUK1685065.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@snapper3> for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:30:59 +1200 From: "Will Lau" To: Subject: RE: SmartMedia as a Floppy drive on a 1 spindle? Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:22:48 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000823000754.00e69340@pilot.msu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the tip. Never considered durability. (Though I'd be only using it as a stop-gap measure say 1x a week) > -----Original Message----- > From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, 23 August 2000 4:24 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: SmartMedia as a Floppy drive on a 1 spindle? > > > How sturdy is your floppy drive (I've had very little experience > with ThinkPad > external floppies)? If it's good, then I'd just about > automatically recommend > using that over an PCMCIA card. > > Why? Because I've yet to see a PCMCIA card which has any form of > connector which I would consider *reliable* over a long period of time. I > detest XJACK connectors (I'm now adept at repairing them), I HATE > dongles, having performed surgery on the little teeny tiny pins in their > connectors (HATE them), and have fought other PCMCIA cards along the > way. The ONLY PCMCIA connector I have seen which is mostly OK is > my Xircom Ethernet/Modem combo card which has RJ-11/45 connectors > at the end, which makes it easy to plug things in. But even this > is having > problems, in that the card becomes positively amorous with network plugs > at times... > > So, how's your floppy system compared to a PCMCIA card? I'll bet its > better. I have one user with a 600x (I've seen this unit only > twice in eight > months, so reliable it's been) and he's never had a problem with > his drive. > > I will bet that IBM's solution is a better one. > > --STeve Andre' > > At 10:25 AM 8/23/00 +1200, you wrote: > >OK slightly off topic but what the hell... > > > >I run a 600x but am thinking about going smaller cos I'm > travelling all the > >time. I go months on end backpacking with a mobile office on my back. I > >actually need a floppy drive cos "SneakerNet" comes in handy at > cybercafes > >when I cant find an available phoneline. Would this work as an > >ultra-portable FDD?... > > > >1. SmartMedia Card > >2. SM to PCMCIA adaptor. > >3. SM to Floppy adaptor. > > > >I can then "sneakernet" data using this fancy Smartmedia floppy > Disk. Just a > >PCMCIA slot is required - then I can go 1 spindle. Or do you > need to install > >software on the Host PC to read a SmartMedia card posing as a Floppy? > > > >Opinions appreciated. > > From cph Wed Aug 23 23:24:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA07942 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:24:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02958; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:22:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02612; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02563; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (203.96.92.15 -> mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:22:15 -0400 Received: from snapper3 ([210.55.116.37]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with SMTP id <20000824033104.DYUT1685065.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@snapper3> for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:31:04 +1200 From: "Will Lau" To: Subject: Running Mirrored HDD on 600x, W2k, DOS Partitioning Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:22:53 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200008231401.e7NE1JA01617@cinnamon.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I was wondering if someone would be so kind as to tell me how to setup a DualBoot DOS/Win2k system on my 600x so I can mirror my main HDD onto my slimbay HDD (backup). I'll be using Norton Ghost. I'm an absolute beginner in terms of setting DOS and plating with partitions. Currently I run Win2000 on a single NTFS partition. BTW - is it possible to run Ghost inside a Virtual DOS window using VMWare? Then I'd be able to do the backup without a reboot. Thanks in Advance Will From cph Thu Aug 24 00:02:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA08191 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:02:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05569; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:59:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05389; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web125.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05375; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web125.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.193 -> web125.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:59:53 -0400 Received: (qmail 26946 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2000 03:59:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20000824035952.26945.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web125.yahoomail.com; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:59:52 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:59:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: How to setup 2nd HDD ? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: A 2nd HDD works in my piece of crap 760EL in Win98 without doing anything special. It is recognized automatically and assigned drive D:. I've noticed that it is also found by the BIOS before windows starts. If you go into Setup by pressing F1 when you power on and run the self tests, it should be able to test the 2nd drive. It has to be partitioned for this to work and the adapter has to be the correct type. The 2nd HDD seems to be more forgiving of the adapter type. The adapters will work for the 2nd HDD that sometimes will not work for the 1st, main drive. That seems to be the only good feature the 760 has. It's slow, the screen is terrible and all the keys stick but at least it can use 2 hard drives. --- Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> wrote: > Hi > > I have just got hold of a 2nd HDD adapter for my > 755CX... what needs to be > setup? I have adjusted the startup routine in the > EasySetup BIOS, but how > to let W98 see it? > > Thanks anyone > > Mark ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Aug 24 00:31:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA08309 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:31:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07383; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:28:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07183; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web123.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07142; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web123.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.191 -> web123.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:27:40 -0400 Received: (qmail 17088 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2000 04:27:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000824042739.17087.qmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web123.yahoomail.com; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:27:39 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:27:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: --- STeve Andre' wrote: > Sigh.... IBM has always had a warranty on their > disks, Steve. Then why don't their Warranty page list any warranty? Just try and explain that one! http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/hdnawarranty.htm > If you don't > believe that, why don't you call IBM and verify > that? I did, they said NO! > You are confusing IBM's sometimes Byzantine web > pages with the concept > that warranties are new to them, which simply isn't > the case. Quit being so blind and check for yourself! The page for NEW Travelstar GN12-GN32 drives list a 3 year warranty at: http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/tr12gn.htm. The page for the older GN6 Travelstar lists NO Warranty at: http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/prod/ts6gn.htm > I understand that you are in a bad situation, having > bought a drive with no > apparent warranty. This is indeed unfortunate, and > is very much the downside > of "grey market" that exists in the technology > market. Or consumer fraud and misleading marketing on IBM's part? > But making claims like IBM has only recently been > pressured into offering a > warranty is simple nonsense. > > You do the list a disservice when making blatantly > false claims. Are you also a shill planted by IBM to help counter unfavorable comments? You seem to have more than just a passing interest in IBM! Mighty suspicious! > > --STeve Andre' ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Aug 24 00:58:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA08407 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:58:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09202; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:56:24 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09053; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:56:23 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id AAA27994 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web123.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06162; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web123.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.191 -> web123.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:10:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 15098 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2000 04:10:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000824041040.15097.qmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web123.yahoomail.com; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:10:40 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:10:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Congratulations! You were able to find a webpage that IBM thought was well hidden. There's not even a link to it from the Travelstar page! They must have overlooked deleting it along with the other obsolete pages. My friends think you are a shill planted by IBM to spread favorable propaganda and try and counter bad comments. Any truth to that? BTW, I know where I can order another drive for $109.00. I can get them locally for less than that but why would I want another one, they are worthless and won't even last a year. --- David Ross wrote: > The warrantee on the 6GN series drives - including > yours - is clearly > listed as 3 years at > http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/familyspec/travelspe > c1.htm > ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Aug 24 01:10:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA08470 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:10:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10621; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:08:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10325; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10312; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:08:16 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.184]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000824050813.KEUI13787.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 05:08:13 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000824010517.00949d20@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:05:17 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed In-Reply-To: <20000824041040.15097.qmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:10 PM 08/23/2000 -0700, Steve C. wrote: >My friends think you are a shill planted by IBM to >spread favorable propaganda and try and counter bad >comments. Any truth to that? > Now you're just being silly. Steve Andre and David Ross are long-time members of this list who participate regularly. How old are you? Jane From cph Thu Aug 24 01:11:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA08474 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:11:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10816; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:09:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10460; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10447; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:09:31 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-28.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.181]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA08214; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 05:09:26 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Steve C." , Subject: RE: IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:12:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <20000824042739.17087.qmail@web123.yahoomail.com> List-Unsubscribe: Read this from the first URL YOU listed below: "No limited warranty is provided unless the drive was purchased initially from IBM by an IBM authorized North American distributor. Distributors may sell drives to resellers who then sell drives to end-users." "This limited warranty does not apply if the drive was purchased from IBM by an original equipment manufacturer (OEM) and later resold to a reseller or an end-user. If the drive was purchased by an OEM, that particular OEM's warranty applies to the drive and you should contact the OEM from whom you purchased your system regarding warranty information." What part of this do you NOT understand? You admittedly DID NOT buy your HD from IBM directly. So you wound up with an OEM unit that DOES NOT have an IBM warranty. The lesson in Caveat Emptor is finished and paid for by yourself so go and sin no more. Now STFU and quit whining to us about your drive. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve C. [mailto:stevec50@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:28 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed > > > --- STeve Andre' wrote: > > Sigh.... IBM has always had a warranty on their > > disks, Steve. > Then why don't their Warranty page list any warranty? > Just try and explain that one! > http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/hdnawarranty.htm > > > If you don't > > believe that, why don't you call IBM and verify > > that? > I did, they said NO! > > > You are confusing IBM's sometimes Byzantine web > > pages with the concept > > that warranties are new to them, which simply isn't > > the case. > Quit being so blind and check for yourself! > The page for NEW Travelstar GN12-GN32 drives list a 3 > year warranty at: > http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/tr12gn.htm. > > The page for the older GN6 Travelstar lists NO > Warranty at: > http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/prod/ts6gn.htm > > > I understand that you are in a bad situation, having > > bought a drive with no > > apparent warranty. This is indeed unfortunate, and > > is very much the downside > > of "grey market" that exists in the technology > > market. > Or consumer fraud and misleading marketing on IBM's > part? > > > But making claims like IBM has only recently been > > pressured into offering a > > warranty is simple nonsense. > > > > You do the list a disservice when making blatantly > > false claims. > > Are you also a shill planted by IBM to help counter > unfavorable comments? You seem to have more than just > a passing interest in IBM! Mighty suspicious! > > > > --STeve Andre' > > > ===== > Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband > Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone > modem was faster! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Aug 24 05:10:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA09108 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 05:10:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23051; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 05:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:58:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22899; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22885; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:58:13 -0400 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18376; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:58:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from harstonmail.generics.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13612; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:58:10 +0100 (BST) Received: by HARSTONMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:59:31 +0100 Message-ID: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D29E86538@HARSTONMAIL> From: "Quantrill, Adam" To: "'Will Lau'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: SmartMedia as a Floppy drive on a 1 spindle? Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:59:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Yes but presumably you won't be removing the PCMCIA adapter all the time, just the smatmedia card within it. Durability isn't an issue (I've used mine well over 200 times and only had a problem once, but cleaned the offending card and it was OK). I think the main problem is at the other end if you're putting your floppy adapter into a cybercafe machine, say, and there isn't any software to support it. However what you could do is leave said software on a web page somewhere (e.g. in a mail message on yahoo), then wherever you roam you can do a quick install, and use your floppy/smartmedia adapter. - Adam -----Original Message----- From: Will Lau [mailto:contact@snappersolutions.com] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 4:23 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: SmartMedia as a Floppy drive on a 1 spindle? Thanks for the tip. Never considered durability. (Though I'd be only using it as a stop-gap measure say 1x a week) > -----Original Message----- > From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, 23 August 2000 4:24 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: SmartMedia as a Floppy drive on a 1 spindle? > > > How sturdy is your floppy drive (I've had very little experience > with ThinkPad > external floppies)? If it's good, then I'd just about > automatically recommend > using that over an PCMCIA card. > > Why? Because I've yet to see a PCMCIA card which has any form of > connector which I would consider *reliable* over a long period of time. I > detest XJACK connectors (I'm now adept at repairing them), I HATE > dongles, having performed surgery on the little teeny tiny pins in their > connectors (HATE them), and have fought other PCMCIA cards along the > way. The ONLY PCMCIA connector I have seen which is mostly OK is > my Xircom Ethernet/Modem combo card which has RJ-11/45 connectors > at the end, which makes it easy to plug things in. But even this > is having > problems, in that the card becomes positively amorous with network plugs > at times... > > So, how's your floppy system compared to a PCMCIA card? I'll bet its > better. I have one user with a 600x (I've seen this unit only > twice in eight > months, so reliable it's been) and he's never had a problem with > his drive. > > I will bet that IBM's solution is a better one. > > --STeve Andre' > > At 10:25 AM 8/23/00 +1200, you wrote: > >OK slightly off topic but what the hell... > > > >I run a 600x but am thinking about going smaller cos I'm > travelling all the > >time. I go months on end backpacking with a mobile office on my back. I > >actually need a floppy drive cos "SneakerNet" comes in handy at > cybercafes > >when I cant find an available phoneline. Would this work as an > >ultra-portable FDD?... > > > >1. SmartMedia Card > >2. SM to PCMCIA adaptor. > >3. SM to Floppy adaptor. > > > >I can then "sneakernet" data using this fancy Smartmedia floppy > Disk. Just a > >PCMCIA slot is required - then I can go 1 spindle. Or do you > need to install > >software on the Host PC to read a SmartMedia card posing as a Floppy? > > > >Opinions appreciated. > > From cph Thu Aug 24 08:44:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA09801 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:44:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05318; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:40:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05134; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05120; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.177.156 -> hs-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:40:16 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id IAA05243 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Sender: wchaga@compuserve.com Received: from FH16616A.compuserve.com (chi-tgn-gjq-vty137.as.wcom.net [216.192.159.137]) by sphmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id IAA05223 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000824083446.020a06d0@pop.compuserve.com> X-Sender: wchaga@pop.compuserve.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:40:07 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "William C. Haga" Subject: A20p doesn't standby or hibernate anymore Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I updated Windows 2000 with the Service pack 1, and (of course) now my A20p 26296VU doesn't go into standby (or hibernate) anymore. The screen clears and the Windows message box comes up saying "Preparing to standby" and then it sits there forever. Have to force a power down. So then I upgraded the BIOS to version 1.02b. No change, still doesn't work. So, has anyone else experienced this? Other software has been installed, too, (like McAfee antivirus... never know what it does to one's system), but I saw the service pack as the most likely cause of the problem. Probably won't get fixed until some other update comes from IBM or Microsoft. From cph Thu Aug 24 08:52:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA09857 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:52:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06055; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:47:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05795; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05782; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:47:45 -0400 Received: from tk-os2.egenet.com.tr (tk-os2.egenet.com.tr [212.175.201.7]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA22017; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:46:59 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200008241246.PAA22017@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "William C. Haga" Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:47:31 -0100 (TUR) Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000824083446.020a06d0@pop.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: A20p doesn't standby or hibernate anymore List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Well, my A20m doesn't hibernate after an update to Win ME. Yes, let's wait and see if/when they get around to fixing this problem.. - -turgut - -- turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOaVRozJjYwErN0xZAQFVPAP/U8iqoe5JD7uV2IGCaRPOe+UQqOYMxvVJ iLpI4SF/Rsh5GY9F3w7dON7aQ6sZGu5BrqFSTdbAtEg8mE/YzcbSXYlx0oBkG6dO qQURMNC9Z7grDzlHpfcIKGU68VrlEbLAYhYXF5isWAqdGhzxxtgdpGlK3xylEO/E VzPedlqr3go= =Fcyy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Thu Aug 24 10:51:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA10338 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:51:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16236; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:46:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15961; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15948; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.net (216.254.0.5 -> gonzo.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:46:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 31923 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2000 14:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO WALD7) (216.254.51.110) by gonzo.speakeasy.net with SMTP; 24 Aug 2000 14:46:39 -0000 From: "William Armstrong" To: Subject: RE: A20p doesn't standby or hibernate anymore Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:49:26 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000824083446.020a06d0@pop.compuserve.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: No problem with SP1 on my A20p. Still get some odd hangs and blue screens on occasion, but Standby generally works well. Are you using Quicken 2000? This has been known to cause problems in W2K. You need to remove two items from Quicken that reside in the Startup folder: Billminder and something else that I cannot remember. More recent updates of Quicken may have fixed this, I'm not sure, and I see there is a Quicken 2001 out now that is probably W2K compatible. Somewhere on the MS website there is (or used to be) a little exe. file that could test Standby. You might try it if you can find it. I may have a copy that I can email you if you cannot. It can be helpful, or it can just confuse more. Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: wchaga@compuserve.com [mailto:wchaga@compuserve.com] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:40 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: A20p doesn't standby or hibernate anymore I updated Windows 2000 with the Service pack 1, and (of course) now my A20p 26296VU doesn't go into standby (or hibernate) anymore. The screen clears and the Windows message box comes up saying "Preparing to standby" and then it sits there forever. Have to force a power down. So then I upgraded the BIOS to version 1.02b. No change, still doesn't work. So, has anyone else experienced this? Other software has been installed, too, (like McAfee antivirus... never know what it does to one's system), but I saw the service pack as the most likely cause of the problem. Probably won't get fixed until some other update comes from IBM or Microsoft. From cph Thu Aug 24 11:29:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA10502 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:29:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19783; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:25:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19384; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop2.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19359; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop2.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.2 -> sttlpop2.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:25:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 33844 invoked by alias); 24 Aug 2000 15:25:03 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 33824 invoked by uid 0); 24 Aug 2000 15:25:03 -0000 Received: from sttl6400gw3poola16.sttl.uswest.net (HELO jmcjr) (63.225.173.16) by sttlpop2.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 24 Aug 2000 15:25:03 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000823065812.0090a320@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:58:12 -0700 To: "Sylvestre Meininger" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" From: Not Me Subject: Re: DiscGo looks excelent ! In-Reply-To: <002101c00c0a$68c4ad20$0bfe12ac@PBoy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I am "Not Me." It's a very useful name because I never have to take the blame for anything and when I get e-mail addressed "Dear Not," I'm sure it's spam. I agree with Sylvestre that the ThinkPad mailing list is a great source for ThinkPad information and I want to express my thanks to all who contribute. I have been on the list for more than three years. Even though I read the list posting every day, I'm usually a lurker. Occasionally I will pose a question and I try to contribute when I can. The last question I posed was a couple of months ago. Anyplace else this question would have been too arcane to even warrant a reply. I tried to play a DVD in my ThinkPad 600E only to discover that I was missing the decoder software. I posed this problem to the list and in less than 24 hours had suggestions for three decoders with pointers to where I could download them from the Web. I meant to do a follow-up post to say "Thanks." I guess this is that post. N. Me At 09:27 AM 8/22/2000 +0200, Sylvestre Meininger wrote: >Hi all, > >Someone identifying himself as "Not Me" posted a nice URL pointing to a >program named DiskGo!. I downloaded and tried it and it's amazing. It really >helps you to physically install a new IBM drive, it can "Ghost" (exactly >reproduce) an existing partition and its content to the new drive and it >lets you chose which drive is Master/Slave, bootable, and so on... > >Maybe this isn't new to many list members, but it certainly is to me. So I >just wanted to say thanks : this list is definitely the best source for >ThinkPad-related information ! > >sylvestre > > > > >For those who missed it, here's th URL : >http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/welcome.htm > > > > > From cph Thu Aug 24 11:40:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA10560 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:40:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21111; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:37:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20684; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot27.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20671; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot27.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.47 -> pilot27.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:37:34 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm455-16.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.26]) by pilot27.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7OFbW781690 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:37:32 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000824111041.023fcbe0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:37:26 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed In-Reply-To: <20000824042739.17087.qmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I am going to respond to this email and then drop this. I think most of the others reading this might appreciate that. You are once again confusing the fact that IBM has a vast web site, replete with strange things and conflicting information--confusing that with reality. Once again: the web is not the final authoritative source for things. Not yet. The web isn't reality--not yet. Too many companies are still putting stuff up there, but sometimes it doesn't make sense. Ironically, IBM is now in the business of helping others get web sites up. In IBM's defense I'll say that they have an incredible amount of data, and making a good site is hard. Actually I'd say that IBM's site is pretty good now, but there are quirks in it, and your digging into the warranty on the disks is an excellent example of this. But that doesn't mean that IBM doesn't offer warranties on their products. You have a very confrontational style in dealing with companies, which while sometimes useful, is best saved when you can't do anything else. IBM does offer warranties on their disks and always has. You have been caught in the trap of no/little warranty from a grey-market sale, which possibly should have some specific laws for it, but that currently don't, and that's life. You are focused on the IBM web site and it doesn't sound like you've talked to IBM folks on the phone. Now, I realize that sometimes talking to them on the phone can be a surreal experience, but if you do that you will find out that they have always had warranties on the disks that they sell, or from authorized dealers. The good news here is that a replacement disk for you is cheaper than is has ever been, and you likely have more options now in terms of what you can put in your machine. Count your blessings: it's only a disk and not some more expensive part. Finally, no, I'm not a shill for IBM. As I speak I'm in a tussle with them over a battery that I supposedly owe them, and they want to bill me a lot of money over it. Right now I'm pretty aggravated with them; clearly the left hand knows not what the right hand does, and neither of those hands seem to see the middle hand... Though I am not happy with IBM right now, I don't want to see such inaccuracies for several reasons. Such statements damage the integrity of this list--nonsense statements can sway people as to the reasonableness of a list as a whole. People use this list for information and if I read something I know is not the case, I'm going to speak out on it. Lastly, the negative tone needs to be countered, because if enough continues to leak out people will leave the list just because of that. I have said all I can on this matter. People reading this will hopefully understand what I mean, and we can get on to new things to talk about. --STeve Andre' At 09:27 PM 8/23/00 -0700, Steve C. wrote: >--- STeve Andre' wrote: > > Sigh.... IBM has always had a warranty on their > > disks, Steve. >Then why don't their Warranty page list any warranty? >Just try and explain that one! >http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/hdnawarranty.htm > > > If you don't > > believe that, why don't you call IBM and verify > > that? >I did, they said NO! > > > You are confusing IBM's sometimes Byzantine web > > pages with the concept > > that warranties are new to them, which simply isn't > > the case. >Quit being so blind and check for yourself! >The page for NEW Travelstar GN12-GN32 drives list a 3 >year warranty at: >http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/tr12gn.htm. > >The page for the older GN6 Travelstar lists NO >Warranty at: >http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/prod/ts6gn.htm > > > I understand that you are in a bad situation, having > > bought a drive with no > > apparent warranty. This is indeed unfortunate, and > > is very much the downside > > of "grey market" that exists in the technology > > market. >Or consumer fraud and misleading marketing on IBM's >part? > > > But making claims like IBM has only recently been > > pressured into offering a > > warranty is simple nonsense. > > > > You do the list a disservice when making blatantly > > false claims. > >Are you also a shill planted by IBM to help counter >unfavorable comments? You seem to have more than just >a passing interest in IBM! Mighty suspicious! > > > > --STeve Andre' > > >===== >Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct >Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Aug 24 12:08:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA10707 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:08:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25043; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:03:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24667; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cssun.mathcs.emory.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24651; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cssun.mathcs.emory.edu (170.140.150.1 -> cssun.mathcs.emory.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:03:00 -0400 Received: from dime.mathcs.emory.edu (dime [170.140.150.91]) by cssun.mathcs.emory.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17237 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from vss@localhost) by dime.mathcs.emory.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id MAA02002 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:02:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Vaidy Sunderam Message-Id: <200008241602.MAA02002@dime.mathcs.emory.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Request advice on 560 display problem List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I have a trusty kite that has recently developed a strange problem - the TFT display is blank. The backlight works, and external monitors work but nothing displays on the TFT. Has anyone encountered this problem? Would it be worthwhile to send it in for repairs? Any tips or opinions would be appreciated. Thanks. Vaidy Sunderam From cph Thu Aug 24 12:17:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA10786 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:17:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26939; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:15:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26605; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26591; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:15:48 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.4.241]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000824161546.OHUC13787.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:15:46 +0000 Message-ID: <39A54A9B.18FA@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:17:31 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steve C." CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How to setup 2nd HDD ? References: <20000824035952.26945.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: First of all, you should be running Win95 on your 760EL. They actaully run very well in 95, 98 is a drag on THinkPads, especially the older ones. THe issue with the 2nd HDD adaptor has to do with the jumpering on the drives. Some drives need to be jumpered for slave or cable select to work that way, drives in the original IBM caddy usually will work either way. Keyboards are readily available for that unit, and are very easy to change. Go back to 95 and replace the keyboard and you will have a new machine! Steve C. wrote: > > A 2nd HDD works in my piece of crap 760EL in Win98 > without doing anything special. It is recognized > automatically and assigned drive D:. I've noticed > that it is also found by the BIOS before windows > starts. If you go into Setup by pressing F1 when you > power on and run the self tests, it should be able to > test the 2nd drive. It has to be partitioned for this > to work and the adapter has to be the correct type. > The 2nd HDD seems to be more forgiving of the adapter > type. The adapters will work for the 2nd HDD that > sometimes will not work for the 1st, main drive. > That seems to be the only good feature the 760 has. > It's slow, the screen is terrible and all the keys > stick but at least it can use 2 hard drives. > > --- Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> wrote: > > Hi > > > > I have just got hold of a 2nd HDD adapter for my > > 755CX... what needs to be > > setup? I have adjusted the startup routine in the > > EasySetup BIOS, but how > > to let W98 see it? > > > > Thanks anyone > > > > Mark > > ===== > Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Aug 24 12:24:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA10837 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:24:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28292; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:22:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27922; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27886; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:22:39 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.182] (helo=139-142-112-182.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13Rzl8-0002Mk-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:21:43 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [701] 701 Battery Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:08:12 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <8ZVp54mippUC092yn@islandnet.com> Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: 1. The TP 701 was introduced in May 1995. Since then, we've come some way in battery technology, but the batteries I see available are still the same old ... has anyone come up with a 701 battery which is lighter or has a higher energy density (= keep the laptop running longer)? 2. Mommy, what happens to batteries when they die? I have a dead battery, surely parts of it are worth something. 3. I remember a few years ago a company was going to resurrect apparently dead NiCad batteries by applying high frequency charges to them and thereby break up the memory effect. It was written up in a major computer magazine. Sounded like a good idea. Did it happen? If not, was it just a dead-end idea business-wise, or was it a hoax? Or did it work, but not well enough to make a difference to most people? -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Thu Aug 24 12:24:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA10843 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:24:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28312; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:22:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27909; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27880; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:22:37 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.182] (helo=139-142-112-182.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13Rzl6-0002Mk-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:21:41 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [701] 701 32-MB RAM upgrade Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:57:41 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: Lines: 39 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I have been looking to upgrade the "backup" 701 to 40 MB of RAM, meaning a 32 MB SO-DIMM. IBM has evidently discontinued this item, but earlier it was FRU 92G7284 , or part number 92G7281 Some other manufacturers give equivalents: Piiceon 907-7132 Kingston KTM-TP701/32 Southland SMM 32MB-TP701 Transcend TS32MTP701 Viking I7281 (the best page I found on these numbers was a commerce site: http://www. streetprices.com/Electronics/Computer_Hardware_PC/Memory/Proprietary/IBM/32MB/ ) A price search found prices between $65 and $167.27 (I'm not kidding) for this part or its equivalent. I'm not sure if the $65 was legit, in which case the lowest price would be $78.44 for the Kingston equivalent. I'm wondering if anybody has tried using something more generic, and has it worked? I vaguely recall some discussion to that effect here. IBM's description states: 70 ns / non-parity / 3.3 volt. IBM also states "360, 750, 755 family ... memory ... NOT compatible in the ... 701 family" -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Thu Aug 24 12:33:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA10912 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:33:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00406; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:30:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00015; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot19.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29995; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot19.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.39 -> pilot19.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:30:52 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm455-16.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.26]) by pilot19.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7OGUmL96652 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:30:48 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000824122646.023ad360@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:30:44 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: [701] 701 Battery In-Reply-To: <8ZVp54mippUC092yn@islandnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: As I remember it, the company that had a way of making NiCD's work again was kind of trounced by the emerging NiMH battery technology, which was simply better than NiCD. Today Li-Ion are at least as much of a jump as NiMH's were, so I don't think there is much interest in NiCD stuff any more. Aggravating if you still use NiCD's, but I don't think there is much of a commercial market. If you do electronics I could probably find some projects for you, but thats it, unless there are some expensive commercial options out there. As for the carcass of a battery, the best bet is to drop it off at a recycling station... --STeve Andre At 09:08 AM 8/24/00 -0800, Jonathan Berry wrote: >1. The TP 701 was introduced in May 1995. Since then, we've come >some way in battery technology, but the batteries I see available are >still the same old ... has anyone come up with a 701 battery >which is lighter or has a higher energy density (= keep the >laptop running longer)? > > >2. Mommy, what happens to batteries when they die? I have a >dead battery, surely parts of it are worth something. > > >3. I remember a few years ago a company was going to resurrect >apparently dead NiCad batteries by applying high frequency charges >to them and thereby break up the memory effect. It was written >up in a major computer magazine. Sounded like a good idea. >Did it happen? If not, was it just a dead-end idea >business-wise, or was it a hoax? Or did it work, but not well >enough to make a difference to most people? From cph Thu Aug 24 12:33:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA10916 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:33:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00378; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:30:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29951; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29926; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.4 -> mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:30:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 20559 invoked by alias); 24 Aug 2000 16:30:15 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 20293 invoked by uid 0); 24 Aug 2000 16:30:06 -0000 Received: from dialupjj207.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.35.207) by mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 24 Aug 2000 16:30:06 -0000 Message-ID: <005901c00de8$a1138a40$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "Dominique Pivard" , References: <200008240311.GAA12614@mail.clinet.fi> Subject: Re: inexpensive SelectaDock III's on eBay Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:30:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I recently bought a "new" SDIII on eBay for $75. The merchant says he will sell any number at that price. Although the dock clearly was not used, it wasn't factory sealed either, but $75 sure is a lot less than the $695 IBM asks. Also, IBM sells the SelectaBase 600 for $179, but delivery is many weeks out. I got one from buyitnow.com for $175. They go for about $150 on eBay, so I thought I would buy new. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominique Pivard" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 10:11 PM Subject: inexpensive SelectaDock III's on eBay > In case any 600/760/770 owner is looking for a SelectaDock III, there's a > lot of 10 going for $500 on eBay > (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=417884984) > > The sellers ("theteam") are reliable folks I have purchased from > previously (no affiliation with them, however) and they ship > internationally. I'm pretty sure they would sell the same item by the > unit. > > -Dominique > From cph Thu Aug 24 13:11:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA11181 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:11:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05538; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:09:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05257; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05228; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:09:16 -0400 Received: from bob (arc0a65.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.65]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA02985 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) bob from arc0a65.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.65] 207.136.201.65 Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:09:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Yellin To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Floppy Drive Problem Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:09:53 -0400 Organization: * Reply-To: byellin@sover.net Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA11182 Hi Folks, I have a 600X and as of yesterday my floppy drive is acting in a bizarre manner when it's in the UltraslimBay. It won't boot properly from a boot floppy but does fine when I hook it up externally. Previous to yesterday it booted fine from the UltraslimBay. Also when it's internal and I look at the drive in Windows...My Computer, for example, I can read a diskette but only if I click on the B: drive (A: is shown but is inaccessible). Clicking on B:, it takes a long time to read the diskette and strangest of all, a floppy drive icon appears as though it were a file on the diskette. I checked the BIOS booting order and several other things but no cigar. I think it may be an UltraslimBay hardware problem and IBM has a shipping box to their repair center on the way but I thought I'd ask here before I lose it's use for a week or so. Anyone else ever seen this before or does anyone have any ideas? TIA Bob Yellin From cph Thu Aug 24 19:37:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA13908 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:37:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15580; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:28:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15129; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15112; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:28:33 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.240.141 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:27:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c00e23$565f3c20$8df0163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: 2640-e0a Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:30:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Is 6 gigs as big as I can go with this model of 560? Thanks Brad From cph Fri Aug 25 00:43:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA15328 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:43:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14678; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:40:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14215; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14200; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:40:35 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-102.gate.net [207.36.212.102]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA158492; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:40:31 -0400 Message-ID: <39A5F8E6.BBF7352C@gate.net> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:41:10 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Burean CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: 2640-e0a References: <000701c00e23$565f3c20$8df0163f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: 6.4gig, yes.. Brad Burean wrote: > Is 6 gigs as big as I can go with this model of 560? > > Thanks > Brad -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Aug 25 00:43:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA15329 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:43:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14625; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:39:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14120; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14099; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:39:48 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-102.gate.net [207.36.212.102]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA96312; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:39:41 -0400 Message-ID: <39A5F8B3.9FF64719@gate.net> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:40:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David W. Taylor" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Mark Bell Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution References: <3.0.6.32.20000823175932.0172edc0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <014b01c00d5c$03421a70$0311a8c0@detayls.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Wait for the A21p.. 1600x1200, 32gig "David W. Taylor" wrote: > Yes, but if you look closely you will see that it is implemented in the 15" > form factor. > > This means there will be around 140 pixels per inch. > > For 50 year old eyes that is probably beyond the limit. > > My A20p seems to be about at the limit for me. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Bell" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution > > > At 09:25 AM 08/23/2000 -0400, Gregory Harris wrote: > > >Hi everybody, > > > > > >I just found the link to this article from SlashDot and expect that you > > >would be interested. > > > > > >Dell has announced new displays on their new 5000e models at 1600x1200. > > > > > >In the past, I thought it was always IBM leading LCD resolutions. > > > > > >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-2584042.html?tag=st.ne.1002.tgif.ni > > > > This resolution is more to my liking.. It is much more standard than > > 1400 x 1050. I hope IBM follows suit... > > > > Mark > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > > Network and System consultation and installation > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Aug 25 01:01:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA15401 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:01:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16471; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:58:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16289; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16253; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:58:28 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-102.gate.net [207.36.212.102]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA33270; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:58:24 -0400 Message-ID: <39A5FD17.3F37192@gate.net> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:59:03 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Berry CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [701] 701 32-MB RAM upgrade References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jonathan.. YES, generic memory should work in the 701.. NO, 360, 750/755 etc. memory will not work in a 701.. you left out goldenram 32meg memory for the 701, which i sell for $109 (lifetime warranty for those still concerned about warranty issues).. Jonathan Berry wrote: > I have been looking to upgrade the "backup" 701 to 40 MB of > RAM, meaning a 32 MB SO-DIMM. > > IBM has evidently discontinued this item, but earlier it was > FRU 92G7284 , or part number 92G7281 > > Some other manufacturers give equivalents: > Piiceon 907-7132 > Kingston KTM-TP701/32 > Southland SMM 32MB-TP701 > Transcend TS32MTP701 > Viking I7281 > > (the best page I found on these numbers was a commerce site: > http://www. > streetprices.com/Electronics/Computer_Hardware_PC/Memory/Proprietary/IBM/32MB/ > ) > > A price search found prices between $65 and $167.27 (I'm not > kidding) for this part or its equivalent. I'm not sure if the > $65 was legit, in which case the lowest price would be $78.44 > for the Kingston equivalent. > > I'm wondering if anybody has tried using something more > generic, and has it worked? I vaguely recall some discussion > to that effect here. > > IBM's description states: > 70 ns / non-parity / 3.3 volt. > > IBM also states "360, 750, 755 family ... memory ... NOT > compatible in the ... 701 family" > > -- > cheers > Jonathan Berry > http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Aug 25 01:03:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA15410 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:03:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16985; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:00:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16711; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16698; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:00:51 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-102.gate.net [207.36.212.102]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA179108; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:00:48 -0400 Message-ID: <39A5FDA7.14543D@gate.net> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:01:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [701] 701 Battery References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000824122646.023ad360@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: OR, disassemble it, finde some new NiCad cells and try to rebuild it.. OR, send it or sell it to a battery rebuilder.. :-) STeve Andre' wrote: > **SNIP** As for the carcass of a battery, the best bet is to drop it off at a recycling station... > > > --STeve Andre > > At 09:08 AM 8/24/00 -0800, Jonathan Berry wrote: > >1. The TP 701 was introduced in May 1995. Since then, we've come > >some way in battery technology, but the batteries I see available are > >still the same old ... has anyone come up with a 701 battery > >which is lighter or has a higher energy density (= keep the > >laptop running longer)? > > > > > >2. Mommy, what happens to batteries when they die? I have a > >dead battery, surely parts of it are worth something. > > > > > >3. I remember a few years ago a company was going to resurrect > >apparently dead NiCad batteries by applying high frequency charges > >to them and thereby break up the memory effect. It was written > >up in a major computer magazine. Sounded like a good idea. > >Did it happen? If not, was it just a dead-end idea > >business-wise, or was it a hoax? Or did it work, but not well > >enough to make a difference to most people? -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Aug 25 01:06:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA15426 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:06:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17585; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:03:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17267; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17249; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:03:23 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-102.gate.net [207.36.212.102]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA47598; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:03:19 -0400 Message-ID: <39A5FE3E.321582B9@gate.net> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:03:58 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vaidy Sunderam CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Request advice on 560 display problem References: <200008241602.MAA02002@dime.mathcs.emory.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: my guess is: either the video cable to the display, or the TFT display itself.. Vaidy Sunderam wrote: > Hi, > > I have a trusty kite that has recently developed a strange > problem - the TFT display is blank. The backlight works, > and external monitors work but nothing displays on the TFT. > > Has anyone encountered this problem? Would it be worthwhile > to send it in for repairs? > > Any tips or opinions would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Vaidy Sunderam -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Aug 25 02:21:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA15702 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:21:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24116; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:15:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23866; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puerco.nm.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23786; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008250615.CAA23786@cs.utk.edu> Received: from puerco.nm.org (129.121.1.22 -> puerco.nm.org) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:15:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 69098 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2000 06:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jmsthinkpad600x) (198.59.120.83) by puerco.nm.org with SMTP; 25 Aug 2000 06:14:57 -0000 From: "J. Michael Stolp" To: "Thinkpad List" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:09:42 -0600 Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [TP600X] Win2k and Standby or Hibernate List-Unsubscribe: I have a Thinkpad 600X with 320K ram running Windows 2000 Pro. The computer hangs if I try to make it Standby. It does nothing at all if I try to make it Hybernate. Any suggestions? -- Warmest Regards. Mike J. Michael Stolp, C.P.A., Managing Partner Registered Investment Advisor Xelan, The Economic Association of Health Professionals P.O. Box 91567, 8809 Washington St. NE, Suite 150 Albuquerque, New Mexico 87199-1567 Phone 505/856-1100 * Fax 505/856-1197 Wells Fargo Plaza, 125 Lincoln Avenue, Suite 400 Santa Fe, New Mexico 87501 Phone 505/455-1500 * Fax 505/856-1197 8360 E. Via De Ventura, Suite L-200 Scottsdale, Arizona 85258 Phone 480/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 Email mstolp@xelan.com * Homepage http://www.taxsavings.com From cph Fri Aug 25 02:21:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA15706 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:21:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24134; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:15:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23819; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puerco.nm.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23785; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008250615.CAA23785@cs.utk.edu> Received: from puerco.nm.org (129.121.1.22 -> puerco.nm.org) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:15:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 69100 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2000 06:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jmsthinkpad600x) (198.59.120.83) by puerco.nm.org with SMTP; 25 Aug 2000 06:14:57 -0000 From: "J. Michael Stolp" To: "Thinkpad List" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:09:56 -0600 Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [TP600X] Dreadful DVD Video Performance on Win2k List-Unsubscribe: I have a TP600X with 320K ram running Windows 2000 Pro. I upgraded the Mediamatics software for the DVD player. Video performance is dreadful with multiple images and ghosting - it looks like the picture is in fast forward. The audio sounds OK. Any ideas? -- Warmest Regards. Mike J. Michael Stolp, C.P.A., Managing Partner Registered Investment Advisor Xelan, The Economic Association of Health Professionals P.O. Box 91567, 8809 Washington St. NE, Suite 150 Albuquerque, New Mexico 87199-1567 Phone 505/856-1100 * Fax 505/856-1197 Wells Fargo Plaza, 125 Lincoln Avenue, Suite 400 Santa Fe, New Mexico 87501 Phone 505/455-1500 * Fax 505/856-1197 8360 E. Via De Ventura, Suite L-200 Scottsdale, Arizona 85258 Phone 480/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 Email mstolp@xelan.com * Homepage http://www.taxsavings.com From cph Fri Aug 25 02:24:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA15713 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:24:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25282; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:21:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25098; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot19.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25084; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot19.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.39 -> pilot19.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:21:47 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port31.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.170]) by pilot19.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7P6LhL36660 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:21:44 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000825021824.029fa460@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:20:48 -0400 To: "Thinkpad List" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: [TP600X] Win2k and Standby or Hibernate In-Reply-To: <200008250615.CAA23786@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I just got an A20P (model vu) which does the exact thing. I applied the bios update, and am now rewarded with beeping, if I hit the power key once its dead. Emails to IBM have so far been totally useless--they send me canned responses to problems other than this one. But since you are on a different hardware platform, I now see that we have a more generic problem as opposed to just A20's... So I will tell the list what fixes this, and hope you do the same, if/when you get it..... --STeve Andre' At 12:09 AM 8/25/00 -0600, J. Michael Stolp wrote: >I have a Thinkpad 600X with 320K ram running Windows 2000 Pro. > >The computer hangs if I try to make it Standby. It does nothing at >all if I try to make it Hybernate. > >Any suggestions? > > >-- >Warmest Regards. >Mike > > J. Michael Stolp, C.P.A., Managing Partner > Registered Investment Advisor > > Xelan, The Economic Association of Health Professionals > P.O. Box 91567, 8809 Washington St. NE, Suite 150 > Albuquerque, New Mexico 87199-1567 > Phone 505/856-1100 * Fax 505/856-1197 > > Wells Fargo Plaza, 125 Lincoln Avenue, Suite 400 > Santa Fe, New Mexico 87501 > Phone 505/455-1500 * Fax 505/856-1197 > > 8360 E. Via De Ventura, Suite L-200 > Scottsdale, Arizona 85258 > Phone 480/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 > > Email mstolp@xelan.com * Homepage http://www.taxsavings.com From cph Fri Aug 25 02:30:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA15733 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:30:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26159; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:27:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25912; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puerco.nm.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25898; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008250627.CAA25898@cs.utk.edu> Received: from puerco.nm.org (129.121.1.22 -> puerco.nm.org) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:27:29 -0400 Received: (qmail 56538 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2000 06:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jmsthinkpad600x) (198.59.120.83) by puerco.nm.org with SMTP; 25 Aug 2000 06:27:27 -0000 From: "J. Michael Stolp" To: "Thinkpad List" , "STeve Andre'" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:22:27 -0600 Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;1) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000825021824.029fa460@pilot.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP600X] Win2k and Standby or Hibernate List-Unsubscribe: ---------------- Original Message ---------------- STeve Andre' wrote on Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:20:48 -0400: I just got an A20P (model vu) which does the exact thing. I applied the bios update, and am now rewarded with beeping, if I hit the power key once its dead. Emails to IBM have so far been totally useless--they send me canned responses to problems other than this one. But since you are on a different hardware platform, I now see that we have a more generic problem as opposed to just A20's... So I will tell the list what fixes this, and hope you do the same, if/when you get it..... --STeve Andre' ----------------------- End of Original Message ----------------------- Steve, you betcha! -- Warmest Regards. Mike From cph Fri Aug 25 10:56:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA17712 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:56:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20463; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:51:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20040; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraac.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20024; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraac.compuserve.com (149.174.206.154 -> ds-img-rel-3.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:51:43 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id KAA16569 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Sender: wchaga@compuserve.com Received: from FH6616.compuserve.com (chi-tgn-goo-vty53.as.wcom.net [216.192.136.53]) by spdmraac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA16543 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000825104656.0189ce30@pop.compuserve.com> X-Sender: wchaga@pop.compuserve.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:51:18 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "William C. Haga" Subject: PGP causes Standby, Hibernate to break! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Windows 2000 Service pack 1, Thinkpad A20p bios 1.02b: I looked at the Windows boot log to see what processes might be starting up that is causing the computer to hang when trying to go into Standby... saw all these PGP things. So I uninstalled PGP, and now Standby works. I don't remember what version it was... version 6.?.? Anyway, for all of you having standby problems in W2K, here's one thing to consider. From cph Fri Aug 25 10:58:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA17725 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:58:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21065; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:56:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20700; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20681; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.147.1.143 -> chmls05.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:56:03 -0400 Received: from malistp600.mediaone.net (h0040100c9388.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.170.135]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA28590; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000825101156.00ac7e30@pop.ne.mediaone.net> X-Sender: amalis@pop.ne.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:15:15 -0400 To: "Thinkpad List" From: Jon Malis Subject: Re: [TP600X] Win2k and Standby or Hibernate Cc: amalis@mail.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000825021824.029fa460@pilot.msu.edu> References: <200008250615.CAA23786@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: My Dad's T20 does the same thing -- we reformatted the hard drive when we installed an 18-gig one, and ever since he restored the drive, he has had nothing but problems with Win 2k and sleeping. I think that he has it p[artially working by re-installing Win 2k but not SP1, but there is definitely some major problem between Win 2k and sleep/hibernation. --jon P.S. - Anyone have problems like this on a 600E -- I really want to put Win 2k on the machine, but it's useless if I can't sleep. At 02:20 AM 8/25/00 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >I just got an A20P (model vu) which does the exact thing. > >I applied the bios update, and am now rewarded with beeping, if I >hit the power key once its dead. > >Emails to IBM have so far been totally useless--they send me canned >responses to problems other than this one. > >But since you are on a different hardware platform, I now see that we >have a more generic problem as opposed to just A20's... > >So I will tell the list what fixes this, and hope you do the same, if/when >you get it..... > >--STeve Andre' > >At 12:09 AM 8/25/00 -0600, J. Michael Stolp wrote: >>I have a Thinkpad 600X with 320K ram running Windows 2000 Pro. >> >>The computer hangs if I try to make it Standby. It does nothing at >>all if I try to make it Hybernate. >> >>Any suggestions? ---------- Jon Malis jmalis@mail.com Principal Network Consultant, Computing Consultant Mal-Tech Consulting From cph Fri Aug 25 11:16:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA17847 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:16:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23241; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:12:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22957; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22943; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:12:33 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA18778; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:12:12 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA29164; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000825080759.04b3f4c0@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:11:50 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [TP600X] Win2k and Standby or Hibernate In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000825101156.00ac7e30@pop.ne.mediaone.net> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000825021824.029fa460@pilot.msu.edu> <200008250615.CAA23786@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 10:15 AM 8/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: >My Dad's T20 does the same thing -- we reformatted the hard drive when we >installed an 18-gig one, and ever since he restored the drive, he has had >nothing but problems with Win 2k and sleeping. I think that he has it >p[artially working by re-installing Win 2k but not SP1, but there is >definitely some major problem between Win 2k and sleep/hibernation. > >--jon > >P.S. - Anyone have problems like this on a 600E -- I really want to put >Win 2k on the machine, but it's useless if I can't sleep. On my T20, Win2K works great--but I have not applied the service pack (and now I'm not so certain I want to). Sleep, wakeup, etc--all great. Frankly, a much better combo than any previous Laptop/OS system I have used (95, 98 didn't want to wake up the PC Cards, etc. in previous systems). My wife's TP600 (original) isn't so lucky. Win2K doesn't want to wake up after it has gone to sleep. It requires a reboot. I don't know why. It generally did okay with sleeping when I had 98 installed on it. Both machines have Win2K, but neither machine has had the Service Pack applied to it. From cph Fri Aug 25 11:26:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA17943 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:26:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24952; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:24:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24565; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24552; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:24:29 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-132.gate.net [207.36.212.132]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA121986; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:24:24 -0400 Message-ID: <39A68FCF.20C1A22E@gate.net> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:25:03 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "William C. Haga" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PGP causes Standby, Hibernate to break! References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000825104656.0189ce30@pop.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: PGP.. ?? Pretty Good Privacy..??!! i had not seen that on any of my machines running w2k.. am i missing somethjing here..? or is PGP an acronym for something else.. :-) "William C. Haga" wrote: > Windows 2000 Service pack 1, Thinkpad A20p bios 1.02b: I looked at the > Windows boot log to see what processes might be starting up that is causing > the computer to hang when trying to go into Standby... saw all these PGP > things. So I uninstalled PGP, and now Standby works. > > I don't remember what version it was... version 6.?.? Anyway, for all of > you having standby problems in W2K, here's one thing to consider. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Aug 25 11:28:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA17955 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:28:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25401; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:25:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24761; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24747; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:25:38 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12679; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <39A68FEA.5B90F492@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:25:30 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-pre19.1.smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: [TP600X] Win2k and Standby or Hibernate References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000825021824.029fa460@pilot.msu.edu> <200008250615.CAA23786@cs.utk.edu> <4.2.0.58.20000825080759.04b3f4c0@pop3.iceka.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My boss' T20 was working OK with W2K, but something happend (perhaps a software install) and suspend/hibernate disappeared from the W2K menus and even Fn-F4 did nothing. It was as if suspend/hibernate were completely removed from his system. We may resort to a fresh install. --Lee Hetherington From cph Fri Aug 25 11:32:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA17987 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:32:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26348; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:30:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26100; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26070; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:30:08 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-132.gate.net [207.36.212.132]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA65896; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:30:05 -0400 Message-ID: <39A69124.B34464D6@gate.net> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:30:44 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: byellin@sover.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Floppy Drive Problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: have you done anything to the ultraslimbay drivers.. the fact that the floppy is showing up as the B drive is kinda telling... try reinitializing the machine from the bios.. or do a hard reset.. or both.. :-) Bob Yellin wrote: > Hi Folks, > I have a 600X and as of yesterday my floppy drive is acting in a bizarre > manner when it's in the UltraslimBay. It won't boot properly from a boot > floppy but does fine when I hook it up externally. Previous to yesterday it > booted fine from the UltraslimBay. Also when it's internal and I look at > the drive in Windows...My Computer, for example, I can read a diskette but > only if I click on the B: drive (A: is shown but is inaccessible). Clicking > on B:, it takes a long time to read the diskette and strangest of all, a > floppy drive icon appears as though it were a file on the diskette. > > I checked the BIOS booting order and several other things but no cigar. I > think it may be an UltraslimBay hardware problem and IBM has a shipping box > to their repair center on the way but I thought I'd ask here before I lose > it's use for a week or so. > > Anyone else ever seen this before or does anyone have any ideas? > > TIA > > Bob Yellin -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Aug 25 12:01:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA18239 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:01:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01883; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:58:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01580; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01562; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:58:15 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.203] (helo=139-142-112-203.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13SLr5-0003xV-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:57:20 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP600X] [701] Win2k and Standby or Hibernate Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:39:32 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <200008250615.CAA23786@cs.utk.edu> <4.3.2.7.2.20000825101156.00ac7e30@pop.ne.mediaone.net> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000825101156.00ac7e30@pop.ne.mediaone.net> Lines: 39 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Problems with hibernate, suspend, and shutdown have not been limited to any TP model or to any OS. We see a lot of it in this group. My 701C (40 Meg, Win95a) suspends quickly with no PCMCIA cards. It suspends slowly (30 seconds?) with a PCMCIA modem. It suspends more slowly or sometimes not at all with an Ethernet card. Yesterday I had a graphic illustration of why IBM says, for this model, "Don't remove PCMCIA cards while the machine is suspended". I suspended the machine, removed the PCMCIA modem, move it to another site, inserted ethernet in the same slot, grabbed 250 MB of needed files (they're all needed, sigh), removed the ethernet, and suspended. But the machine would not suspend. I did Alt-F4 again to wake it up, went into CP > PCMCIA to discover that the computer still thought there was a modem in that slot. "Stop" ping the non-existent card would ***** simply make the PCMCIA app hang. So I had to turn off the computer. That's another part of the tale. The computer will never "Shut down" (power off). I think it is a software thing, who knows, maybe an upgrade to DUN, because it used to power off quite nicely. Anyway, I have to use the power switch all the time. Incidentally, I do not need to "Stop" PCMCIA cards before removing them. Simply remove them *while the computer is running* and wait for the beep-BEEP which indicates that the computer realizes that the card is gone. -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Fri Aug 25 12:27:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA18463 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:27:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06584; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:24:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06295; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06191; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.13 -> mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:23:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 68855 invoked by alias); 25 Aug 2000 16:23:38 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 68840 invoked by uid 0); 25 Aug 2000 16:23:37 -0000 Received: from dialupjj207.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.35.207) by mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 25 Aug 2000 16:23:37 -0000 Message-ID: <005a01c00eb0$e2f51780$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "J. Michael Stolp" , "Thinkpad List" References: <200008250615.CAA23786@cs.utk.edu> Subject: Re: [TP600X] Win2k and Standby or Hibernate Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:24:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: My 600X will not wake up from suspend, running Win98SE and having just installed it in a SelectaDock III. After three power-offs, Win98 said something like this: "After the last few attempts to suspend, your machine stopped responding. Would you like to disable this feature?" Misery loves company, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Michael Stolp" To: "Thinkpad List" Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 1:09 AM Subject: [TP600X] Win2k and Standby or Hibernate > I have a Thinkpad 600X with 320K ram running Windows 2000 Pro. > > The computer hangs if I try to make it Standby. It does nothing at > all if I try to make it Hybernate. > > Any suggestions? From cph Fri Aug 25 12:43:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA18637 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:43:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08921; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:39:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08632; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08617; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:39:48 -0400 Received: from bob (arc5a138.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.139]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA27714; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) bob from arc5a138.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.139] 209.198.80.139 Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:39:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Yellin To: penzance@gate.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Floppy Drive Problem Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:40:28 -0400 Organization: * Reply-To: byellin@sover.net Message-ID: References: <39A69124.B34464D6@gate.net> In-Reply-To: <39A69124.B34464D6@gate.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA18638 Hi Bill, Thanks for the reply. >have you done anything to the ultraslimbay drivers.. Nothing that I know of. The problem doesn't seem to be OS-related (where the drivers would be a factor). It shows up with the system reporting "corrupted files" on a boot floppy before booting into an OS. When the floppy drive is used externally, the same boot diskette boots the system just fine and Windows sees the floppy drive as A: with no other floppy drives shown (normal behavior). Or are there drivers being loaded before the OS boots? If so how can they be checked or reinstalled? I wasn't aware that the basic operation of the bay was driver-dependant. I thought that the bay is controlled by firmware with some additional features such as "warm-swap" being OS and driver dependant. >the fact that the floppy is showing up as the B drive is kinda telling... Yes - I agree. It won't boot properly from some boot diskettes when the floppy drive is in the bay. Strangely, the floppy drive doesn't like some boot diskettes but does fine with others...with a Win95 diskette, for example it boots just fine. But then, if I boot from the hard drive into any version of Windows with the floppy drive inserted in the bay, it reads the floppy drive as B: with A: showing but un-accessible. >try reinitializing the machine from the bios.. >or do a hard reset.. >or both.. :-) I've tried playing with the boot order and reinitializing but no help there. What do you mean by a "hard reset"? IBM thinks it's an UltraslimBay hardware problem but I thought I'd ask the list before I ship my "baby" away! :-) Thanks again, Bob Yellin > > >Bob Yellin wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> I have a 600X and as of yesterday my floppy drive is acting in a bizarre >> manner when it's in the UltraslimBay. It won't boot properly from a boot >> floppy but does fine when I hook it up externally. Previous to yesterday it >> booted fine from the UltraslimBay. Also when it's internal and I look at >> the drive in Windows...My Computer, for example, I can read a diskette but >> only if I click on the B: drive (A: is shown but is inaccessible). Clicking >> on B:, it takes a long time to read the diskette and strangest of all, a >> floppy drive icon appears as though it were a file on the diskette. >> >> I checked the BIOS booting order and several other things but no cigar. I >> think it may be an UltraslimBay hardware problem and IBM has a shipping box >> to their repair center on the way but I thought I'd ask here before I lose >> it's use for a week or so. >> >> Anyone else ever seen this before or does anyone have any ideas? >> >> TIA >> >> Bob Yellin From cph Fri Aug 25 12:51:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA18705 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:51:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10416; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:47:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10041; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10027; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.147.1.143 -> chmls05.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:47:55 -0400 Received: from laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA21374 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:47:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: RE: Dell tops A20P resolution Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:47:57 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c00eb4$38b65730$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <39A5F8B3.9FF64719@gate.net> List-Unsubscribe: David and anyone else with 50 year old eyes, there are lots of ways to manipulate the size of text on high resolution screens - starting with the Windows Accessibility Options and continuing on from there in Windows itself and in each relevant program. High resolution shouldn't be a problem at all when these options are exercised. -- Jeff > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] >Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 12:40 AM >To: David W. Taylor >Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mark Bell >Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution > >Wait for the A21p.. >1600x1200, 32gig > >"David W. Taylor" wrote: > >> Yes, but if you look closely you will see that it is implemented in the 15" >> form factor. >> >> This means there will be around 140 pixels per inch. >> >> For 50 year old eyes that is probably beyond the limit. >> >> My A20p seems to be about at the limit for me. >> >> David >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Bell" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 5:59 PM >> Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution >> >> > At 09:25 AM 08/23/2000 -0400, Gregory Harris wrote: >> > >Hi everybody, >> > > >> > >I just found the link to this article from SlashDot and expect that you >> > >would be interested. >> > > >> > >Dell has announced new displays on their new 5000e models at 1600x1200. >> > > >> > >In the past, I thought it was always IBM leading LCD resolutions. >> > > >> > >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-2584042.html?tag=st.ne.1002.tgif.ni >> > >> > This resolution is more to my liking.. It is much more standard than >> > 1400 x 1050. I hope IBM follows suit... >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------- >> > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >> > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >> > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 >> > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >> > ------------------------------------------------- >> > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >> > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >> > Network and System consultation and installation >> > -------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > > >-- >--- > >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net >open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? >sic transit gloria > > > From cph Fri Aug 25 12:57:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA18770 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:57:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11541; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:54:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11202; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot22.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11184; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot22.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.42 -> pilot22.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:53:54 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (cherryholmes.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.41]) by pilot22.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7PGrpV112854 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:53:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000825125007.023db8e0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:53:51 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: Dell tops A20P resolution In-Reply-To: <001801c00eb4$38b65730$0200a8c0@laptop> References: <39A5F8B3.9FF64719@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Actually, with more pixels on the screen, the characters look better, not worse. The shapes are better. After installing Netscape on the A20p I was setting up, I sat back and played with it, and boy it was great. The screen has a higher contrast ratio too, I'm sure. It was simply a better screen than my 1451i and 1480i, not that either of those are at all shabby--but the A20p was better. I've only heard two comments about the Dell qxga screen: stunning, and unbelievable. With screens like this, laptops are really turning into desktop killers for a growing number of people, myself included. --STeve Andre' At 12:47 PM 8/25/00 -0400, Jeffrey Baker wrote: >David and anyone else with 50 year old eyes, there are lots of ways to >manipulate the size of text on high resolution screens - starting with the >Windows Accessibility Options and continuing on from there in Windows itself >and in each relevant program. High resolution shouldn't be a problem at all >when these options are exercised. -- Jeff > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] > >Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 12:40 AM > >To: David W. Taylor > >Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mark Bell > >Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution > > > >Wait for the A21p.. > >1600x1200, 32gig > > > >"David W. Taylor" wrote: > > > >> Yes, but if you look closely you will see that it is implemented in the >15" > >> form factor. > >> > >> This means there will be around 140 pixels per inch. > >> > >> For 50 year old eyes that is probably beyond the limit. > >> > >> My A20p seems to be about at the limit for me. > >> > >> David > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Mark Bell" > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 5:59 PM > >> Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution > >> > >> > At 09:25 AM 08/23/2000 -0400, Gregory Harris wrote: > >> > >Hi everybody, > >> > > > >> > >I just found the link to this article from SlashDot and expect that >you > >> > >would be interested. > >> > > > >> > >Dell has announced new displays on their new 5000e models at >1600x1200. > >> > > > >> > >In the past, I thought it was always IBM leading LCD resolutions. > >> > > > >> > > >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-2584042.html?tag=st.ne.1002.tgif.ni > >> > > >> > This resolution is more to my liking.. It is much more standard than > >> > 1400 x 1050. I hope IBM follows suit... > >> > > >> > Mark > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------- > >> > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > >> > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > >> > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > >> > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > >> > ------------------------------------------------- > >> > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > >> > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > >> > Network and System consultation and installation > >> > -------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> > > > > >-- > >--- > > > >Happy trails... > > > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) > >WEB page http://thinkpads.com > >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > >open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > >sic transit gloria > > > > > > From cph Fri Aug 25 13:00:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA18813 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:00:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12266; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:57:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12007; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11981; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (207.181.194.97 -> oberon.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:57:49 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by oberon.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA71503; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BlackBird (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA65968; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008301c00eb6$1b210740$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Jeffrey Baker" , References: <001801c00eb4$38b65730$0200a8c0@laptop> Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:01:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Jeff, You are quite correct. These tools are available and do work, but I would find them tedious. The point of my message was to say that the 1400x1050 of my A20p is fine for my aging eyes IN NORMAL MODE but that the smaller pixels of a 1600x1200 screen would be smaller than I would like for normal mode use. Thanks. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:47 AM Subject: RE: Dell tops A20P resolution > David and anyone else with 50 year old eyes, there are lots of ways to > manipulate the size of text on high resolution screens - starting with the > Windows Accessibility Options and continuing on from there in Windows itself > and in each relevant program. High resolution shouldn't be a problem at all > when these options are exercised. -- Jeff > > From cph Fri Aug 25 13:11:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA18901 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:11:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13925; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:07:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13466; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13447; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:07:37 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA67116; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BlackBird (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA66646; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <009101c00eb7$774e7b50$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , "STeve Andre'" References: <39A5F8B3.9FF64719@gate.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000825125007.023db8e0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:11:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: That's only partly true, Steve. In order to achieve more pixels per character, the user needs to specify "Large Fonts" in Windows. If the fonts are left at the standard size "Normal Fonts", then the number of pixels forming the fonts is the same and as a result, the characters are simply smaller but identical in composition. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "STeve Andre'" To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:53 AM Subject: RE: Dell tops A20P resolution > Actually, with more pixels on the screen, the characters look better, not > worse. > The shapes are better. After installing Netscape on the A20p I was setting up, > I sat back and played with it, and boy it was great. The screen has a higher > contrast ratio too, I'm sure. It was simply a better screen than my 1451i and > 1480i, not that either of those are at all shabby--but the A20p was better. > > I've only heard two comments about the Dell qxga screen: stunning, and > unbelievable. With screens like this, laptops are really turning into desktop > killers for a growing number of people, myself included. > From cph Fri Aug 25 13:12:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA18908 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:12:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14484; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:09:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14042; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot03.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14002; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot03.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.23 -> pilot03.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:09:51 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (cherryholmes.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.41]) by pilot03.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7PH9nd41128 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:09:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000825130823.023dab00@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:09:48 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution In-Reply-To: <009101c00eb7$774e7b50$0311a8c0@detayls.com> References: <39A5F8B3.9FF64719@gate.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000825125007.023db8e0@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Yup, thats true, what you say--but I think the characters still look better. Granted you are enlarging them again, but you simply have more pixels in which to do that with, thus making rounded shapes look better. STeve At 10:11 AM 8/25/00 -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: >That's only partly true, Steve. > >In order to achieve more pixels per character, the user needs to specify >"Large Fonts" in Windows. > >If the fonts are left at the standard size "Normal Fonts", then the number >of pixels forming the fonts is the same and as a result, the characters are >simply smaller but identical in composition. > >David > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "STeve Andre'" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:53 AM >Subject: RE: Dell tops A20P resolution > > > > Actually, with more pixels on the screen, the characters look better, not > > worse. > > The shapes are better. After installing Netscape on the A20p I was >setting up, > > I sat back and played with it, and boy it was great. The screen has a >higher > > contrast ratio too, I'm sure. It was simply a better screen than my 1451i >and > > 1480i, not that either of those are at all shabby--but the A20p was >better. > > > > I've only heard two comments about the Dell qxga screen: stunning, and > > unbelievable. With screens like this, laptops are really turning into >desktop > > killers for a growing number of people, myself included. > > From cph Fri Aug 25 13:38:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA19075 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:38:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18552; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:36:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18306; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viva.vivacenet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18289; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viva.vivacenet.com (208.36.16.5 -> w005.z208036016.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:36:05 -0400 Received: from AMALIS.mail.com [209.206.27.159] by viva.vivacenet.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AE7F9F5D0218; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:35:59 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000825132405.01870b68@mail.northweb.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:32:30 -0400 To: "Thinkpad List" From: "Andrew G. Malis" Subject: [T20] Win2k and Standby or Hibernate Cc: jmalis@mail.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000825101156.00ac7e30@pop.ne.mediaone.net> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000825021824.029fa460@pilot.msu.edu> <200008250615.CAA23786@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: To expand on Jon's message, I got an 18G replacement HD that I put in place of the 12G on my T20, and installed Win2K from the recovery CD and then applied SP1. With SP1, I couldn't sleep or hibernate - the error message I got when I tried claimed that the keyboard driver was preventing standby or hibernation. Luckily, I kept the original 12G drive intact, so I put that back in and functionality was once again fine. I've also applied the BIOS update, by the way, and that is not preventing me from sleeping. It's definitely SP1. It also wasn't the keyboard driver - I compared the two HDs, and the keyboard driver files are identical both pre- and post-SP1. Andy -------- At 8/25/2000 10:15 AM -0400, Jon Malis wrote: >My Dad's T20 does the same thing -- we reformatted the hard drive when we >installed an 18-gig one, and ever since he restored the drive, he has had >nothing but problems with Win 2k and sleeping. I think that he has it >p[artially working by re-installing Win 2k but not SP1, but there is >definitely some major problem between Win 2k and sleep/hibernation. > >--jon > >P.S. - Anyone have problems like this on a 600E -- I really want to put >Win 2k on the machine, but it's useless if I can't sleep. From cph Fri Aug 25 13:46:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA19140 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:45:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19842; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:43:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19527; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19511; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:43:09 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA16895; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:43:04 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA00244; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000825102154.04b7ef00@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:37:15 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution In-Reply-To: <009101c00eb7$774e7b50$0311a8c0@detayls.com> References: <39A5F8B3.9FF64719@gate.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000825125007.023db8e0@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 10:11 AM 8/25/2000 -0700, you wrote: >That's only partly true, Steve. > >In order to achieve more pixels per character, the user needs to specify >"Large Fonts" in Windows. That was the point of his posting, David. That using a higher-resolution screen, you can change the font settings (actually, most everything in the UI) to make various items *larger*, in in so doing those larger items are using more pixels--typically, making them more sharp on the screen for the same amount of screen space. >If the fonts are left at the standard size "Normal Fonts", then the number >of pixels forming the fonts is the same and as a result, the characters are >simply smaller but identical in composition. Point being, that if you have concerns about older eyes not being able to see with so many additional pixels in the smaller space, that you can increase the settings to make them larger, and all else being equal--it will look better at 1600x1200 than at 1024x768, all without necessarily having them be too tiny to see. From cph Fri Aug 25 14:47:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA19558 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:47:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27595; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:43:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27291; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27265; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (24.147.1.144 -> chmls06.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:43:37 -0400 Received: from malistp600.mediaone.net (h0040100c9388.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.170.135]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA17822 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000825143245.00ab0850@pop.ne.mediaone.net> X-Sender: amalis@pop.ne.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:38:54 -0400 To: "Thinkpad List" From: Jon Malis Subject: Re: [TP600X] Win2k and Standby or Hibernate In-Reply-To: <005a01c00eb0$e2f51780$1000a8c0@cschumann> References: <200008250615.CAA23786@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:24 AM 8/25/00 -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: >My 600X will not wake up from suspend, running Win98SE >and having just installed it in a SelectaDock III. > >After three power-offs, Win98 said something like this: > >"After the last few attempts to suspend, your machine >stopped responding. Would you like to disable this >feature?" I can't help you with that problem, but I have a similar and possible related problem. Whenever I go to sleep, remove wither my DVD or Floppy drive from the UltraslimBay and put in my hard drive adapter, I get the same problem. I've tried this with 2 different Hard Drives, so I know that the drive itself isn't the problem. Anyone else with a similar problem, or do I have to go to another fresh install of Win 98. --jon P.S. - This is on a 600E (5BU) ---------- Jon Malis jmalis@mail.com Principal Network Consultant, Computing Consultant Mal-Tech Consulting From cph Fri Aug 25 15:04:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA19696 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:04:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29915; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:01:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29413; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29398; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (207.181.194.97 -> oberon.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:01:28 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by oberon.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA47529; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BlackBird (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA75652; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <009d01c00ec7$61f5e6c0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" References: <39A5F8B3.9FF64719@gate.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000825125007.023db8e0@pilot.msu.edu> <4.2.0.58.20000825102154.04b7ef00@pop3.iceka.com> Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:05:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Yes, but then you have a notebook with more pixels being used for everything and you end up with the amount of data that you see being comparable. According to the sizes and the statement in the control panel, everything is rendered at 125% of normal, when you switch to Large Fonts. That means that a 1600x1200 screen can display the same content as a 1280x960 screen but with more pixels and a smoother appearance. This is the real advantage. The better resolution. However, back to my original point, the compromise for me of using a 1400x1050 screen at normal resolution gives me a lot more usable data area and very acceptable and sharp text. To move to the larger 1600x1200 and be forced to use Large Fonts would be a net loss for me in both usage and cost terms. Obviously with younger eyes, the 1600x1200 may be just the ticket. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randal Whittle" To: "TP List" Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution snip > Point being, that if you have concerns about older eyes not being > able to see with so many additional pixels in the smaller space, that you > can increase the settings to make them larger, and all else being equal--it > will look better at 1600x1200 than at 1024x768, all without necessarily > having them be too tiny to see. > > From cph Fri Aug 25 15:31:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA19894 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:31:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03105; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:27:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02869; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02853; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:27:13 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA03713; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:27:07 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <004a01c00eca$81677e80$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Jeffrey Baker" , References: <001801c00eb4$38b65730$0200a8c0@laptop> Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:27:26 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "David and anyone else with 50 year old eyes, there are lots of ways to manipulate the size of text on high resolution screens - starting with the Windows Accessibility Options and continuing on from there in Windows itself and in each relevant program. High resolution shouldn't be a problem at all when these options are exercised." This comes up often here. While this is largely true for modern windows apps, there are places where it is problematic, including: (a) Legacy apps, including DOS; (b) poorly-written windows apps; (c) graphics apps where 1:1 bit-level manipulation is important; etc. I personally would hate to have higher than 800x600 resolution on a 12" laptop screen for these reasons, but I also recognize that this is a problem for a small minority of users. - David R. From cph Fri Aug 25 15:35:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA19926 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:35:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03886; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:32:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03568; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03555; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:32:13 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA03748; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:32:09 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <005801c00ecb$34f07e20$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "J. Michael Stolp" , "Thinkpad List" References: <200008250615.CAA23785@cs.utk.edu> Subject: Re: [TP600X] Dreadful DVD Video Performance on Win2k Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:32:28 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: The mediamatics player is usually considered relatively awful in general (see reviews everywhere, eg 7thzone.com and digital-digest.com). Unfortunately, it seems to be the only software that supports the IBM hardware accelerator card. However, the 600X should be fast enough to use different software (Cinemaster, PowerDVD, etc) without the hardware acceleration. You might try going to the sites above and choosing a different program based on their review (most have trial versions). - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Michael Stolp" To: "Thinkpad List" Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:09 PM Subject: [TP600X] Dreadful DVD Video Performance on Win2k I have a TP600X with 320K ram running Windows 2000 Pro. I upgraded the Mediamatics software for the DVD player. Video performance is dreadful with multiple images and ghosting - it looks like the picture is in fast forward. The audio sounds OK. Any ideas? -- Warmest Regards. Mike J. Michael Stolp, C.P.A., Managing Partner Registered Investment Advisor Xelan, The Economic Association of Health Professionals P.O. Box 91567, 8809 Washington St. NE, Suite 150 Albuquerque, New Mexico 87199-1567 Phone 505/856-1100 * Fax 505/856-1197 Wells Fargo Plaza, 125 Lincoln Avenue, Suite 400 Santa Fe, New Mexico 87501 Phone 505/455-1500 * Fax 505/856-1197 8360 E. Via De Ventura, Suite L-200 Scottsdale, Arizona 85258 Phone 480/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 Email mstolp@xelan.com * Homepage http://www.taxsavings.com From cph Fri Aug 25 18:23:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA21107 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:23:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21978; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:10:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21634; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop3.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21616; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop3.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.3 -> mail.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:10:15 -0400 Received: (qmail 19839 invoked by alias); 25 Aug 2000 22:10:11 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-tp750@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 19732 invoked by uid 0); 25 Aug 2000 22:10:09 -0000 Received: from sttl6400gw3poola16.sttl.uswest.net (HELO jmcjr) (63.225.173.16) by mail.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 25 Aug 2000 22:10:09 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000825151048.0089ddf0@pop.sttl.uswest.net> X-Sender: jmcjr@pop.sttl.uswest.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:10:48 -0700 To: "TP List" From: John Callahan Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution In-Reply-To: <009d01c00ec7$61f5e6c0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> References: <39A5F8B3.9FF64719@gate.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000825125007.023db8e0@pilot.msu.edu> <4.2.0.58.20000825102154.04b7ef00@pop3.iceka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I find this discussion of resolution very interesting. In January, I bought a ThinkPad 600E. (I also have a 560X and a 760E) One of the reasons that I bought the 600e was the 1024 x 768 screen. Much to my surprise, I found the 1024 x 768 screen less desirable for word processing than my 800 x 600 screen on the 560X. I also find the 560X better for Web surfing at some times because of the larger characters on the screen. (Yes, my eyes are old like the rest of my body.) What I have wound up doing is using the 560X and 600E for different applications. I use the 560X most often because I do a lot of writing and use the Web a lot. I also generally use any notebook as, literally, a laptop computer. The 560x wins in the laptop category for its lighter weight. I use the 600E for mapping applications, such as Street Atlas 7 from DeLorme and some marine navigation software that I have. For these applications, the large screen with its higher resolution provides a clear advantage. I also find the higher resolution of the 600E very useful for Excel spreadsheets since I can see a larger number of rows and columns. When I got the 600E I thought that it would become my main computer displacing the 560X. Much to my surprise, this has not happened. It turns out that my "old" computer, the 560X, is really the one that's most useful to me for most of my computer usage. (I also modified the 560X by replacing the original 4GB hard drive with an 18GB drive. This greatly increased the functionality of the 560X.) What does this prove? Well, it proves once again that I'm not very good at forecasting exactly how I will use technology. Secondly, I think it proves that I really can't tell how something will work out until I actually use it. I don't think that I would want a larger than 13.3" screen on a notebook computer, unless I was actually going to use it as a desktop system that i would carry from place to place. I consider the 56Ox to approach the ideal notebook computer form factor in both size and weight. The 600E pushes that form factor a little. I think that, for me, a 15" or larger screen would result in a too large notebook computer system. At 12:05 PM 8/25/2000 -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: >Yes, but then you have a notebook with more pixels being used for >everything and you end up with the amount of data that you see being >comparable. > >According to the sizes and the statement in the control panel, everything is >rendered at 125% of normal, when you switch to Large Fonts. > >That means that a 1600x1200 screen can display the same content as a >1280x960 screen but with more pixels and a smoother appearance. This is the >real advantage. The better resolution. > >However, back to my original point, the compromise for me of using a >1400x1050 screen at normal resolution gives me a lot more usable data area >and very acceptable and sharp text. To move to the larger 1600x1200 and be >forced to use Large Fonts would be a net loss for me in both usage and cost >terms. > >Obviously with younger eyes, the 1600x1200 may be just the ticket. > >David > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Randal Whittle" >To: "TP List" >Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 10:37 AM >Subject: Re: Dell tops A20P resolution > > >snip > >> Point being, that if you have concerns about older eyes not being >> able to see with so many additional pixels in the smaller space, that you >> can increase the settings to make them larger, and all else being >equal--it >> will look better at 1600x1200 than at 1024x768, all without necessarily >> having them be too tiny to see. >> >> > > > John Callahan From cph Fri Aug 25 21:02:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA21943 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:02:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03573; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:59:14 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03355; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:59:13 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id UAA26078 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10787; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy2.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:26:35 -0400 Received: from franp.vip.best.com (franp.vip.best.com [206.86.252.8]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id NAA22987; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000825120630.00d95b70@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: franp@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:23:48 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Fran Pillsbury Subject: Re: [TP600X] Win2k and Standby or Hibernate Cc: "Chris Schumann" In-Reply-To: <005a01c00eb0$e2f51780$1000a8c0@cschumann> References: <200008250615.CAA23786@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Re hibernate failure and error message: Just resolved hibernate failure problem on 600x (98SE). Was due to PC-Card adaptor for a new Archos mini-zip drive remaining connected while I tried to enter hibernate mode. I rebooted, reset/checked power management and again rebooted. Mini-zip was enabled and worked fine. After disabling/removing the mini-zip's PC-Card, hibernate also worked. There's a section in the user manual about PC-Card storage, p77. (Please try our way first!) Don't have one yet but I understand NICs must also be disabled/removed to hibernate? Don't know about modems. Anyone? See 600x User Ref. p82ff for suspend/hibernate with docked computer. Fran Pillsbury At 11:24 AM 08/25/00 -0500, you wrote: >My 600X will not wake up from suspend, running Win98SE >and having just installed it in a SelectaDock III. > >After three power-offs, Win98 said something like this: > >"After the last few attempts to suspend, your machine >stopped responding. Would you like to disable this >feature?" > >Misery loves company, >Chris > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "J. Michael Stolp" >To: "Thinkpad List" >Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 1:09 AM >Subject: [TP600X] Win2k and Standby or Hibernate > > > > I have a Thinkpad 600X with 320K ram running Windows 2000 Pro. > > > > The computer hangs if I try to make it Standby. It does nothing at > > all if I try to make it Hybernate. > > > > Any suggestions? From cph Fri Aug 25 23:53:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA22502 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:53:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10765; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:48:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10587; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10573; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:48:23 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-351.gate.net [199.227.173.97]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA41564; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:48:19 -0400 Message-ID: <39A73E2A.75959020@gate.net> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:48:58 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: byellin@sover.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Floppy Drive Problem References: <39A69124.B34464D6@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bob.. Bob Yellin wrote: > Hi Bill, > Thanks for the reply. > > >have you done anything to the ultraslimbay drivers.. > > Nothing that I know of. The problem doesn't seem to be OS-related (where > the drivers would be a factor). It shows up with the system reporting > "corrupted files" on a boot floppy before booting into an OS. When the > floppy drive is used externally, the same boot diskette boots the system > just fine and Windows sees the floppy drive as A: with no other floppy > drives shown (normal behavior). ok, not the ultrabay driver.. > > > Or are there drivers being loaded before the OS boots? If so how can they > no.. not that i know of.. > be checked or reinstalled? I wasn't aware that the basic operation of the > bay was driver-dependant. I thought that the bay is controlled by firmware > with some additional features such as "warm-swap" being OS and driver > dependant. yes.. > > > >the fact that the floppy is showing up as the B drive is kinda telling... > > Yes - I agree. It won't boot properly from some boot diskettes when the > floppy drive is in the bay. Strangely, the floppy drive doesn't like some > boot diskettes but does fine with others...with a Win95 diskette, for > example it boots just fine. But then, if I boot from the hard drive into > any version of Windows with the floppy drive inserted in the bay, it reads > the floppy drive as B: with A: showing but un-accessible. > > >try reinitializing the machine from the bios.. > >or do a hard reset.. > >or both.. :-) > > I've tried playing with the boot order and reinitializing but no help > there. What do you mean by a "hard reset"? > hard reset = press the reset button.. on the 600 it is next to the on/off switch.. in a hole.. > > IBM thinks it's an UltraslimBay hardware problem but I thought I'd ask the > list before I ship my "baby" away! :-) > could be a worn or damaged ultrabay socket... if the hard reset helps not, then the machine will get a week in the thinkpad spa, in memphis.. > > Thanks again, > Bob Yellin > > > > > > >Bob Yellin wrote: > > > >> Hi Folks, > >> I have a 600X and as of yesterday my floppy drive is acting in a bizarre > >> manner when it's in the UltraslimBay. It won't boot properly from a boot > >> floppy but does fine when I hook it up externally. Previous to yesterday it > >> booted fine from the UltraslimBay. Also when it's internal and I look at > >> the drive in Windows...My Computer, for example, I can read a diskette but > >> only if I click on the B: drive (A: is shown but is inaccessible). Clicking > >> on B:, it takes a long time to read the diskette and strangest of all, a > >> floppy drive icon appears as though it were a file on the diskette. > >> > >> I checked the BIOS booting order and several other things but no cigar. I > >> think it may be an UltraslimBay hardware problem and IBM has a shipping box > >> to their repair center on the way but I thought I'd ask here before I lose > >> it's use for a week or so. > >> > >> Anyone else ever seen this before or does anyone have any ideas? > >> > >> TIA > >> > >> Bob Yellin -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sat Aug 26 08:11:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA23875 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:11:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03290; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:02:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03072; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03059; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:02:29 -0400 Received: from p3-800 (client-151-204-210-5.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.5]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA28063 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000826080756.014d4d00@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:07:56 -0700 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600X P3-650 2645-9FU for $3K Canadian......cheap ;-} In-Reply-To: <006001c006ee$e531c080$03785a8e@triumf.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:27 PM 08/15/2000 -0700, peter machule wrote: >IBM CANADA >800-465-7748 > >$2999 CAN plus taxes >1800 available > >....peter.... 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From cph Sat Aug 26 13:01:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA24715 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:01:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12823; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:58:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12695; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12682; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:58:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:58:06 -0400 Received: from ThinkPad (arc5a289.bf.sover.net [209.198.117.99]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA24625; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008261658.MAA24625@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) ThinkPad from arc5a289.bf.sover.net [209.198.117.99] 209.198.117.99 Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:12:43 -0400 To: byellin@sover.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <39A69124.B34464D6@gate.net> Subject: Re: Floppy Drive Problem X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 List-Unsubscribe: >Bob Yellin wrote: >> Hi Folks, >> I have a 600X and as of yesterday my floppy drive is acting in a bizarre >> manner when it's in the UltraslimBay. It won't boot properly from a boot >> floppy but does fine when I hook it up externally. Previous to yesterday it >> booted fine from the UltraslimBay. Also when it's internal and I look at >> the drive in Windows...My Computer, for example, I can read a diskette but >> only if I click on the B: drive (A: is shown but is inaccessible). Clicking >> on B:, it takes a long time to read the diskette and strangest of all, a >> floppy drive icon appears as though it were a file on the diskette. >> >> I checked the BIOS booting order and several other things but no cigar. I >> think it may be an UltraslimBay hardware problem and IBM has a shipping box >> to their repair center on the way but I thought I'd ask here before I lose >> it's use for a week or so. >> >> Anyone else ever seen this before or does anyone have any ideas? It sort of sounds like harware, but: Do you have any switches on BASEDEV=IBM1FLPY.ADD line? Have you tried using the CD? Does it work? Make sure "secondary IDE" is enabled in the Thinkpad setup. Also go into setup, right click on the hardware manager, set to it to Full Hardware detection, and reboot. If all fails, and you want to be sure, archive the desktop and then reboot and use the original installation. If the floppy doesn't work then, you can go restore the archive -- and send it off to IBM. You could also copy the IBM1FLPY.ADD from the original install disk or the OS2\Boot directory onto the floppies you are trying to boot and see if that helps. ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Sat Aug 26 17:54:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA25668 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:54:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25374; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:51:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25148; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25133; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:51:51 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p24.hwts17.loop.net [207.211.63.69]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA53173 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008262151.OAA53173@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:53:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Video problems on 360 and 755 List-Unsubscribe: I'm trying to install Windows 95B and 95C on 2 360's I just got, and a 755C I got today, but Windows says the display settings are incorrect, and therefore can't get 256 colors. Is there a driver update I'm missing somewhere, or am I stuck at 16 colors? From cph Sat Aug 26 18:00:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA25687 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:00:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25890; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:57:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25730; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25713; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:57:45 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA08749; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:57:37 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000701c00fa8$b24bac40$5b62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Jon" , References: Subject: Re: IBM 20" monitor $280 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:57:55 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: If these are the P200, they are occasionally auctioned on egghead.com (IBM's "commerce" site auctions lots of IBM products there). I got a P200 a few months back this way for $260 including shipping to Honolulu (which I later estimated would have been $180 be the method they used!) - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon" To: Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 4:21 AM Subject: IBM 20" monitor $280 20" triniton tube ~.27-.28 dot pitch. refurbished direct from IBM 1600 x 1280 Let me know if you are interested and i can pass you the URL. thanks, as usual i dont benefit a single cent from this. Just trying to do my part on this wonderful news list. From cph Sat Aug 26 18:38:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA25784 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:38:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27484; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:35:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27370; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27357; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:34:57 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.196] (helo=139-142-112-196.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13SoWY-000M3w-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:34:02 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP701] 6.4 GB Fujitsu hard drive Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:24:30 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: Lines: 29 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Does anybody know where you can actually pick up the Fujitsu 6.4 GB Hard Drive model MHH2064AT ? Many older laptops seem to have a 6.4 GB limit, and that's a heck of a lot of space anyway. This Fujitsu line has a rep for quiet (possibly because of the low 4200 rpm), which is something that I don't get with my existing 6.4 IBM DADA. Is another brand as quiet and reliable as this? Hitachi? Toshiba? There are exceedingly few of these available on ebay, and even pricewatch only gives a short list of suspicious-looking places, some of which on deja are accused of selling refurb drives as new.... and, yes, I want a good price, too. Is the entire production of these drives being sold at the OEM level? -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Sat Aug 26 19:00:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA25812 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:00:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28543; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:57:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28382; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28369; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:57:03 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JTFNYV9PN48X1J5E@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:00:28 CST Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:00:28 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: DAvinci PDA + Davinci keyboard for total $30 ! To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: go to staples.com search for the davinci pc companion. these PDA retial for $99 and now been discontinued for $49.99. get some paper clips to bump the price up to $50. you will get free shipping too. USE coupon $20 off $50 to make the price $30. print the rebate form from staples for the free davinci full sized keyboard offer for every purchase of the PDA. I know, its not palm but it's not $200 + either !! very handy device for the kids or wife ! From cph Sat Aug 26 19:22:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA25886 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:22:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29814; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:19:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29663; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29650; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:19:34 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-28.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.181]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA30314; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:19:26 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Video problems on 360 and 755 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:21:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200008262151.OAA53173@stevie.loop.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Paul, You need to load the VESA driver during startup. The 750TIPS file ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/750_tips.txt explains this: "(7) The video device driver for ThinkPad 360, 750, & 755 systems is included with Windows 95. You do not need to install the ThinkPad Windows video device driver. However, you still need to install the ThinkPad VESA video driver." "Obtain ThinkPad Video feature diskette and insert it into the diskette drive. Go to the DOS command prompt. Then, type A:VINSTALL and pres Enter. The supported display list appears. Using the Arrow keys, highlight the display type which you use with your ThinkPad, and press Enter. Follow the instructions on the screen to save your display selection; then press F3 to exit the menu. Remove the diskette from the diskette drive; then restart the system. The ThinkPad is now ready to work with Windows 95 video device driver." As you can see above, this will work on the 360's as well as the 755C. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Khoury [mailto:pkhoury@loop.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 4:54 PM > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: Video problems on 360 and 755 > > > I'm trying to install Windows 95B and 95C on 2 360's I just got, and > a 755C I got > today, but Windows says the display settings are incorrect, and > therefore can't get 256 > colors. Is there a driver update I'm missing somewhere, or am I > stuck at 16 colors? > > From cph Sat Aug 26 20:15:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA26014 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:15:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02043; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:12:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01883; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01869; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:12:31 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16082 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39A85CE6.4C936BCD@stanford.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:12:22 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DAvinci PDA + Davinci keyboard for total $30 ! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I saw these recently at a Staples retail store and had a go at the keyboard (the demo unit wasn't working). The keyboard may be suitable for hunt-and-peck typists, but it didn't work for me - I've been spoilt by my 560X keyboard and the buckling-spring IBM keyboard (weighs about as much as the 560X!) that I attach to it. I also tried out the GoType keyboard for the Palm and the famous folding keyboard, also for the Palm. The folding keyboard blows away all comers - it's the only one I could touch type on immediately. I couldn't use the GoType effectively either. Of course, the folding keyboard also costs $99, so I haven't steeled my wallet for it yet. For the price, though, $30 isn't a bad deal for a basic PDA. 90% of the time my Visor is just an electronic organizer anyway, and I wonder why I paid so much. But then I start up Avantgo, and I'm glad I paid the extra. Synchronization is also effortless, especially by IR :-) YMMV Benjamin Jon wrote: > > go to staples.com search for the davinci pc companion. these PDA retial > for $99 and now been discontinued for $49.99. get some paper clips to bump > the price up to $50. you will get free shipping too. > USE coupon $20 off $50 to make the price $30. > print the rebate form from staples for the free davinci full sized > keyboard offer for every purchase of the PDA. > > I know, its not palm but it's not $200 + either !! > > very handy device for the kids or wife ! -- Clickdough(paid surfing): Sun, Mac (68k/PPC), and PC (no IE 4!) https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Sat Aug 26 20:31:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA26036 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:31:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03466; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:28:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03249; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03229; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:28:38 -0400 Received: from [216.126.180.82] (216.126.180.82) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.1.039) id 39A4119D002180BE; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:26:39 -0700 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:28:21 -0700 To: Jon From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: Re: DAvinci PDA + Davinci keyboard for total $30 ! Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu List-Unsubscribe: >go to staples.com search for the davinci pc companion. these PDA retial >for $99 and now been discontinued for $49.99. get some paper clips to bump >the price up to $50. you will get free shipping too. >USE coupon $20 off $50 to make the price $30. >print the rebate form from staples for the free davinci full sized >keyboard offer for every purchase of the PDA. They're gone from Staples.Com. --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 -- bosslady@msgeek.com Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! Coming soon: MsGeek.Org -- At last, a geek news site FOR US! Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Sat Aug 26 20:31:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA26040 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:31:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02982; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:26:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02792; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02779; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:26:05 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JTFR3BEZZ48X1FBY@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:29:34 CST Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:29:34 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Re: DAvinci PDA + Davinci keyboard for total $30 ! In-reply-to: <39A85CE6.4C936BCD@stanford.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: for $30 with the keyboard i dont really care how crappy the keys are. These would be nice for me to bring to class to jot down assignments, track down my working hours, shopping lists & address book. Its also excellent for the little ones for school as well as the wife fro the groceries. :) I would get the palm viii if i have the dough ! Oh well maybe i just save up for the A20 with the carbon fiber and titanium casing !! :) From cph Sat Aug 26 20:41:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA26061 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:41:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04039; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:38:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03899; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03883; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:38:09 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JTFRIAKCHE8X1EYP@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:41:39 CST Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:41:38 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Re: DAvinci PDA + Davinci keyboard for total $30 ! In-reply-to: To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I am not surprised, at this price, you better hurry up and snatch one if you can. On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Michelle Klein-Hass wrote: > >go to staples.com search for the davinci pc companion. these PDA retial > >for $99 and now been discontinued for $49.99. get some paper clips to bump > >the price up to $50. you will get free shipping too. > >USE coupon $20 off $50 to make the price $30. > >print the rebate form from staples for the free davinci full sized > >keyboard offer for every purchase of the PDA. > > They're gone from Staples.Com. > > --.\\<-H-- > > Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 -- bosslady@msgeek.com > Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! > Coming soon: MsGeek.Org -- At last, a geek news site FOR US! > Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 > > > From cph Sat Aug 26 21:01:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA26119 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:01:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05072; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:58:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04914; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04901; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:58:42 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17502 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39A867B8.BB13F017@stanford.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:58:32 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DAvinci PDA + Davinci keyboard for total $30 ! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jon wrote: > > for $30 with the keyboard i dont really care how crappy the keys are. You would care if you needed to input any significant amount of text. As I said, though, as a basic PDA it looks like a good deal - just not for me. > These would be nice for me to bring to class to jot down assignments, > track down my working hours, shopping lists & address book. > I do #2-4 of the items above, but have found that I can't Graffiti fast enough to jot down anything over 2-3 lines in length. The DaVinci and GoType keyboards were not enough of an improvement for me. IMHO the only one worth saving up for was the folding keyboard, which isn't perfect either - it seems rather frail. > Its also excellent for the little ones for school as well as the wife fro > the groceries. :) > Agreed. For $30 it's not a heartbreaker if Junior breaks it. And for keeping a simple list, certainly, it should work well. > I would get the palm viii if i have the dough ! Hmm. Palm VIII? Don't think that's out yet :-) Oh well maybe i just save > up for the A20 with the carbon fiber and titanium casing !! :) Except that it doesn't fit in your pocket... which is why I use my Visor a lot more than my 560x - it's been relegated to an email station and MP3 player despite its portability (compared to a traditional desktop). It's all relative. Benjamin -- Clickdough(paid surfing): Sun, Mac (68k/PPC), and PC (no IE 4!) https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Sat Aug 26 22:08:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA26350 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:08:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07416; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:04:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07223; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07209; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:04:40 -0400 Received: from 207-172-49-237.s237.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.49.237] helo=bilbobag) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13SroM-0002Uo-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:04:39 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:03:11 -0400 Message-ID: <01C00FA9.6CDBAEC0.lingenfr@erols.com> From: Bilbo Baggins To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Feedback on 600 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:34:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have been looking for a 600 to replace (or add to) my 701C and CS. It looks like a 266 is about in my price range (under $1000). I looked at the specs on the 300, but with a FSB of 66mhz on both models, I imagine that there is not much difference in performance. I plan to run Win2K and Linux on this box. Any advice appreciated. Thanks. From cph Sat Aug 26 22:28:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA26393 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:28:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08245; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:26:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08076; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08062; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:26:05 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13Ss96-00061k-00; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:26:04 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.44] (helo=isdn30-44.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13Ss95-0001BE-00; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:26:04 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Cc: scosgt@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: How to setup 2nd HDD ? Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:24:48 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20000824035952.26945.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> <39A54A9B.18FA@worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <39A54A9B.18FA@worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA26394 On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:17:31 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >First of all, you should be running Win95 on your 760EL. They actaully >run very well in 95, 98 is a drag on THinkPads, especially the older >ones. I just switched from Win95 to Win98 last week on a TP560/P120. At first I thought 98 was an improvement. It was a clean install with a new 6gb hard drive. Now I'm not sure sure. The TP is very very sluggish from time to time and the resume function is slow ... sometimes it doesn't resume at all. So now I'm thinking of regressing to Win95 OSR2 so I can at least have FAT32 on the 6gb drive. Being new to the list I was not aware that Win98 is a known dog on Thinkpads. Is this generally so or just with certain models? Thanks. -jts From cph Sat Aug 26 22:44:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA26435 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:44:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09151; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:42:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08931; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08917; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:42:00 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13SsOV-0006Vy-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:41:59 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.44] (helo=isdn30-44.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13SsOU-0001bk-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:41:59 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: [TP701] 6.4 GB Fujitsu hard drive Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:40:43 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA26436 On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:24:30 -0800, jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) wrote: >Is another brand as quiet and reliable as this? Hitachi? >Toshiba? The Hitachi 6gb that I replaced the Toshiba 2.1gb with is quiet. But I have not hear the others, except for the 12gb Travelstar and the Hitachi is much less noisy. I found the Hitachi at Fry's for $169. -jts From cph Sat Aug 26 22:45:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA26442 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:45:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09466; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:42:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09041; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09028; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:42:50 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jaxtnt1-216.199.5.228.fdn.com [216.199.5.228]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16814 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A8A991.1508@southeast.net> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:39:30 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Any info on i-Series 1200 model Thinkpads????? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello All, Does anyone on this list own an IBM 1200i series unit? I am considering getting one and need more info ASAP. The specific one is the 1260i. Are the units any good? Thanks for ANY info !! Jim From cph Sat Aug 26 23:00:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA26475 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:00:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10330; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:57:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10207; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10193; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:57:45 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p05.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.68]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA69886; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008270257.TAA69886@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "James H. E. Maugham" Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:59:45 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Video problems on 360 and 755 List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:21:39 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: >Paul, > >You need to load the VESA driver during startup. The 750TIPS file > >As you can see above, this will work on the 360's as well as the 755C. Cool, thanks. I actually had that file, but never bothered to thoroughly read it. I was a little disapointed that the 755C doesn't do 16 bit, but considering it cost me 25 bucks at a swap meet today (barebones, got a 701C with a cracked screen and 24MB RAM for the same price). it was a welcome upgrade from the 360... So I'm now at 9 ThinkPads! =) Paul From cph Sat Aug 26 23:15:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA26502 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:15:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11169; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:12:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11047; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11034; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (129.250.36.41 -> dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:12:26 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13Ssrx-0007Zj-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 03:12:25 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.44] (helo=isdn30-44.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13Ssrx-0003e1-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 03:12:25 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 2640-e0a Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:11:08 -0500 Message-ID: References: <000701c00e23$565f3c20$8df0163f@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <000701c00e23$565f3c20$8df0163f@oemcomputer> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id XAA26503 On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:30:47 -0500, "Brad Burean" wrote: >Is 6 gigs as big as I can go with this model of 560? Yes, that's what I found for mine. Returned a 12gb Travelstar for a 6gb Hitachi. It works, it's quiet. 560/P120, 40mb (just ordered a 64mb card to see if I can improve the speed a bit with Win98). -jts From cph Sat Aug 26 23:26:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA26526 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:26:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12054; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:23:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11895; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11850; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:23:28 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.240.214 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:22:46 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c00fd6$8bfb63e0$d6f0163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "John Small" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <000701c00e23$565f3c20$8df0163f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: 2640-e0a Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:26:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Win 98 runs just perfect on my 120. Got a 133 mhz MB next to me, just don't know if I want to go ahead and put it in. The 120 has less than 100 hours on it. I don't know how old the 133 is, the case was sure beat up. I have lots of music and graphics, can't decide on a 6 gig drive, or one of those external PCMCIA drives. Have you heard any poop on those?? Brad ----- Original Message ----- From: John Small To: ThinkPad Mailing List Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 10:11 PM Subject: Re: 2640-e0a On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:30:47 -0500, "Brad Burean" wrote: >Is 6 gigs as big as I can go with this model of 560? Yes, that's what I found for mine. Returned a 12gb Travelstar for a 6gb Hitachi. It works, it's quiet. 560/P120, 40mb (just ordered a 64mb card to see if I can improve the speed a bit with Win98). -jts From cph Sat Aug 26 23:34:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA26554 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:34:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12834; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:31:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12659; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail7.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12646; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail7.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.57 -> mail7.wlv.netzero.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:31:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 18707 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2000 03:31:10 -0000 Received: from pppa80-resaleindianapolis7-5r7117.saturn.bbn.com (HELO chuck) (4.4.235.237) by mail7.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 27 Aug 2000 03:31:10 -0000 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:30:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 2640-e0a Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Message-ID: <39A84520.7750.80D64AD@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000b01c00fd6$8bfb63e0$d6f0163f@oemcomputer> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: On 26 Aug 2000, at 22:26, Brad Burean wrote: > I > have lots of music and graphics, can't decide on a 6 gig drive, or one of > those external PCMCIA drives. Have you heard any poop on those?? I have an external PCMCIA EZ-Gig drive that gives me fits. When it works, it's marvelous. But sometimes Windows stops seeing it as a valid device, disables it, and nothing I can do will make it work again. And then, at least in the past, it will sometimes mysteriously start working again. ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________ From cph Sat Aug 26 23:40:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA26591 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:40:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13514; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:37:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13220; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13207; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:37:49 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-14.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.119]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA03339; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 03:37:43 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "John Small" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: 2640-e0a Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:39:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: John, John Small [mailto:jtsmall@onramp.net] wrote: > Yes, that's what I found for mine. Returned a 12gb Travelstar for a 6gb > Hitachi. It works, it's quiet. 560/P120, 40mb (just ordered a 64mb > card to see > if I can improve the speed a bit with Win98). You're not going to see much, if any, speed improvement with the added memory with W98. I would suggest that you _seriously_ consider a step backward and load W95SR2 in lieu of W98. The 560 you have has no L2 cache and you're up against that limitation running W98. With the 64MB you're adding and the 8MB on the motherboard, that unit will run very, very well under W95. Just a suggestion. Regards, James From cph Sat Aug 26 23:41:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA26600 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:41:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13962; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:39:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13445; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13432; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:39:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:39:11 -0400 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.43]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000827033910.XUYI14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 03:39:10 +0000 Received: from [24.189.193.226] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 03:39:10 +0000 To: cblaisd@tdl.com Cc: "Chuck Blaisdell" , Subject: Re: 2640-e0a Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 03:39:10 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: scosgt@att.net Message-Id: <20000827033910.XUYI14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: The ones from Exp work super! > On 26 Aug 2000, at 22:26, Brad Burean wrote: > > > I > > have lots of music and graphics, can't decide on a 6 gig drive, or one of > > those external PCMCIA drives. Have you heard any poop on those?? > > I have an external PCMCIA EZ-Gig drive that gives me fits. When it > works, it's marvelous. But sometimes Windows stops seeing it as > a valid device, disables it, and nothing I can do will make it work > again. And then, at least in the past, it will sometimes mysteriously > start working again. > > > ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ > Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 > ___________________________________________________________ From cph Sat Aug 26 23:51:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA26621 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:51:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14776; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:49:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14615; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14602; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:49:01 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.240.214 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:48:01 -0700 Message-ID: <003101c00fda$1328c4e0$d6f0163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: ibm 760el Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:51:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I just bought a barebones system for my father-in-law off ebay. I'm needing; memory, a floppy, a HD, battery, and a ac adapter. If you have any of these items let me know. He just uses his 701c for juno, but the letters are worn off some of the keys and the screens to small for his old eyes. So I'm getting this 760el ready for him. I wonder, if I took the HD out of the caddy on the 701 shouldn't it work in the 760? Can I set the 760 to display in 640x480 and fit the whole screen? To make the icons and text larger for him? Brad From cph Sun Aug 27 00:00:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA26646 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:00:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15418; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:57:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15213; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15200; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (129.250.36.41 -> dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:57:21 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13StZP-0001G9-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 03:57:19 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.44] (helo=isdn30-44.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13StZP-00032H-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 03:57:19 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 2640-e0a Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:55:58 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id AAA26647 On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:39:59 -0500, "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > I would suggest that you _seriously_ consider a step backward and load >W95SR2 in lieu of W98. OK, I'm mulling it over. Most likely that's what I'll do. Why no speed improvement? Does Win98 need 128mb or something crazy like that? I found Win95 to run well in 32mb. Thanks. -jts From cph Sun Aug 27 00:04:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA26665 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:04:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15967; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:01:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15833; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15820; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:01:23 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-14.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.119]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA06939; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:01:15 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "John Small" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Cc: Subject: RE: How to setup 2nd HDD ? Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:03:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: John, John Small [mailto:jtsmall@onramp.net] wrote: > Being new to the list I was not aware that Win98 is a known dog on Thinkpads. > Is this generally so or just with certain models? It's been my experience that any of the Thinkpads with a 486 processor or a Pentium chip without cache (regardless of speed) run better under W95 than W98. E.g., my 486DX4/100 755CD (40MB, 2.1GB) seems to do much better under W95 than W98, much faster and far less prone to the BSOD. Both my P75 755CD's with 256KB of L2 cache (40MB, 5.1GB & 6.4GB) run noticeably faster under W98 than W95. Hell, I'm even double booting one P75 with W2K and the APM in W2K has completely cured the fried knees syndrome! My 486DX4/75 755C and 755Cs (both 20MB and 1.2GB) are completely happy with W95SR2. Newer isn't _always_ better. ;-) Regards, James From cph Sun Aug 27 00:20:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA26709 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:20:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17040; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:17:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16814; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16793; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:17:02 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-14.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.119]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA09059; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:16:59 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Brad Burean" , "Thinkpad Users" Subject: RE: ibm 760el Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:19:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003101c00fda$1328c4e0$d6f0163f@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Booger, > Can I set the 760 to display in 640x480 and fit the whole screen? To make > the icons and text larger for him? You can stretch the display to full width at 640X480 from the Thinkpad Utilities by clicking on the LCD control and selecting Stretch, then set the display resolution to 640X480 (or vice versa works also!). But many complain of distortion on the 12.1" TFT in the 760's. At least my Mom and my sister, who have poor vision, do on my 760XL. Regards, James From cph Sun Aug 27 00:28:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA26734 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:28:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17895; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:26:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17559; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17546; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:26:03 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-14.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.119]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA10206; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:26:00 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "John Small" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: 2640-e0a Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:28:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: John Small [mailto:jtsmall@onramp.net] wrote: > OK, I'm mulling it over. Most likely that's what I'll do. Why no speed > improvement? Does Win98 need 128mb or something crazy like that? I > found Win95 to run well in 32mb. IMHO, it's the cache. My 760XL (P166/MMX, 96MB, 5.1GB) with 256KB of pipelined burst L2 cache just cooks along happily under W98SE with nary a problem. Good thing, as it's my 79YO Mom's internet browser and email machine in Wilkes Barre, PA and I HATE that run up the NE Extension to "fix" her machine! Regards, James From cph Sun Aug 27 00:47:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA26773 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:47:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18808; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:44:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18653; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop3.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18640; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop3.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.3 -> mail.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:44:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 24391 invoked by alias); 27 Aug 2000 04:44:15 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 24369 invoked by uid 0); 27 Aug 2000 04:44:14 -0000 Received: from sttl6400gw3poola16.sttl.uswest.net (HELO jmcjr) (63.225.173.16) by mail.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 27 Aug 2000 04:44:14 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000826214225.007b48f0@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:42:25 -0700 To: "Bilbo Baggins" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: Not Me Subject: Re: Feedback on 600 In-Reply-To: <01C00FA9.6CDBAEC0.lingenfr@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have a ThinkPad 600E and a ThinkPad 560X. I like them both a lot but I find the 600E just a little heavy to use for an extended period of time as a laptop computer. The 1024 x 768 screen on the 600E is nice for certain applications, mapping and large spreadsheets. For other applications, such as Web surfing where most sites are optimized for 800 x 600 and word processing where documents are seldom over 80 characters wide, the higher resolution screen really makes no difference. I find the keyboard on the 600E to be slightly better than the 560X. The 600E keyboard has a somewhat lighter touch than the 560. The 600E is the best keyboard I have used on a notebook computer. I also find that the mouse buttons on the 600E have a some lighter touch than the ones on the 560X. Battery life is in the two to three hour range, which I consider adequate. At 01:34 PM 8/26/2000 -0400, Bilbo Baggins wrote: >I have been looking for a 600 to replace (or add to) my 701C and CS. It >looks like a 266 is about in my price range (under $1000). I looked at the >specs on the 300, but with a FSB of 66mhz on both models, I imagine that >there is not much difference in performance. I plan to run Win2K and Linux >on this box. Any advice appreciated. Thanks. > > > From cph Sun Aug 27 02:26:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA26955 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:26:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22409; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:23:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22288; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot27.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22274; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot27.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.47 -> pilot27.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:23:49 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm456-28.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.86]) by pilot27.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7R6Nl712334 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:23:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000827021622.00b4ef00@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:23:31 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: How to setup 2nd HDD ? In-Reply-To: References: <39A54A9B.18FA@worldnet.att.net> <20000824035952.26945.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> <39A54A9B.18FA@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Windows 98 is a malcontent member of the canine software species, with the Second Edition being possibly even more strange than it's older brother. Maintaining 60+ machines, I can say that my Win98 systems consistently present more odd problems to my users than Win95 does. The ONLY thing that I have seen Win98 do better is USB support, which most of my people don't use. Win95 OSR2 with FAT32 is what I order from Dell. It might be quirky, but I usually don't have to have my people reboot more than once a day under this software platform. Windows 2000 *is* better than anything else MS has created; after playing with it for a while I'm willing to foist in on my users, but only those with 500MHz+ processors and 256M memory. Still, it is better than Win95. I would strongly suggest moving back to Win95 on the older ThinkPad. If that can't be tolerated, I would suggest looking at one of the BSD unix's, OpenBSD, NetBSD or FreeBSD. I'm very very happily running OpenBSD on my 1480i. --STeve Andre' At 09:24 PM 8/26/00 -0500, John Small wrote: >On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:17:31 -0400, Bruce Markowitz >wrote: > > >First of all, you should be running Win95 on your 760EL. They actaully > >run very well in 95, 98 is a drag on THinkPads, especially the older > >ones. > >I just switched from Win95 to Win98 last week on a TP560/P120. At first I >thought 98 was an improvement. It was a clean install with a new 6gb hard >drive. Now I'm not sure sure. The TP is very very sluggish from time to time >and the resume function is slow ... sometimes it doesn't resume at >all. So now >I'm thinking of regressing to Win95 OSR2 so I can at least have FAT32 on >the 6gb >drive. > >Being new to the list I was not aware that Win98 is a known dog on Thinkpads. >Is this generally so or just with certain models? > >Thanks. > >-jts From cph Sun Aug 27 08:17:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA05147 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:17:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08804; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:13:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08557; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08543; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (129.250.36.44 -> dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:13:13 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13T1JI-0004kk-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:13:12 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.44] (helo=isdn30-44.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13T1JH-00021Z-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:13:12 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: How to setup 2nd HDD ? Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:11:40 -0500 Message-ID: <291iqs8on87ijotht8k9ch77ppcufpmj7o@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA05148 On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:03:32 -0500, "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: >Thinkpads with a 486 processor or a >Pentium chip without cache (regardless of speed) run better under W95 than W98 Well, lack of L2 cache is the one thing that I really thought bone headed about IBM's ThinkPads. In all other respects they've been the best notebooks I've used. Thanks for the observation. -jts From cph Sun Aug 27 08:19:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA05151 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:18:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09153; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:16:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08958; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08945; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (129.250.36.43 -> dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:16:15 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13T1MD-0006PG-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:16:13 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.44] (helo=isdn30-44.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13T1MD-00025s-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:16:13 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: How to setup 2nd HDD ? Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:14:42 -0500 Message-ID: <8e1iqsgp2g22rlpnbg3f6lg1ruue26ccb5@4ax.com> References: <39A54A9B.18FA@worldnet.att.net> <20000824035952.26945.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> <39A54A9B.18FA@worldnet.att.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000827021622.00b4ef00@pilot.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000827021622.00b4ef00@pilot.msu.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA05152 On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:23:31 -0400, "STeve Andre'" wrote: >I would strongly suggest moving back to Win95 on the older ThinkPad. If that >can't be tolerated It can be. Overall I like the Win95 interface just fine. The one thing I like about Win98SE is the toolbar button to minimize all apps ('show desktop'). I'd sure like that feature with Win95OSR2. Are there any patches to OSR2 that I should install? Generally I don't go looking for them as they're apt to cause as many if not more problems than they fix ... at least that's my perception. Thanks. -jts From cph Sun Aug 27 09:17:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA05306 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:17:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10861; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:11:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10719; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10706; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:11:02 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.184.25 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 06:10:12 -0700 Message-ID: <005d01c01028$9b7ef960$19b81b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: 760 ac adapter Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:13:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Does the 760 use the same one as the 755? If so, I have this covered for the father-in-law.. Thanks for the help. Brad From cph Sun Aug 27 10:02:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA05416 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:02:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12264; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:55:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12129; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12116; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:55:39 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.227]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000827135538.ZMLP14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:55:38 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000827095236.0096b1e0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:52:36 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: 760 ac adapter In-Reply-To: <005d01c01028$9b7ef960$19b81b3f@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:13 AM 08/27/2000 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >Does the 760 use the same one as the 755? > Yes. From cph Sun Aug 27 13:18:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA05980 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:18:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18749; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:14:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18531; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18518; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:14:25 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a7.pm3-22.theriver.com [208.164.96.167]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A70325DA1 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:13:46 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39A92E3E.3D8B13DB@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:05:34 -0700 From: Ray Bay Organization: To Pack Tubac X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad mailing list Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: From cph Sun Aug 27 13:43:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA06063 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:43:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19915; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:40:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19779; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot29.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19764; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot29.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.49 -> pilot29.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:40:09 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm452-16.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.122]) by pilot29.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7RHduQ123306 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:39:56 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000827133526.022d4c20@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:39:29 -0400 To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: How to setup 2nd HDD ? In-Reply-To: <8e1iqsgp2g22rlpnbg3f6lg1ruue26ccb5@4ax.com> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000827021622.00b4ef00@pilot.msu.edu> <39A54A9B.18FA@worldnet.att.net> <20000824035952.26945.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> <39A54A9B.18FA@worldnet.att.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000827021622.00b4ef00@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: The most important ones are the Y2K patches. After I applied all of them to the Win95 machines I had, I started to wonder how really needed they were, 'till I got a visting faculty person with a laptop running Win95 which was a little weird. The MS web site will have them. I think there are one or two large .exe files which comprise them all. --STeve Andre' At 07:14 AM 8/27/00 -0500, John Small wrote: >On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:23:31 -0400, "STeve Andre'" wrote: > > >I would strongly suggest moving back to Win95 on the older ThinkPad. If > that > >can't be tolerated > >It can be. Overall I like the Win95 interface just fine. The one thing I >like >about Win98SE is the toolbar button to minimize all apps ('show >desktop'). I'd >sure like that feature with Win95OSR2. > >Are there any patches to OSR2 that I should install? Generally I don't go >looking for them as they're apt to cause as many if not more problems than >they >fix ... at least that's my perception. > >Thanks. > >-jts From cph Sun Aug 27 15:13:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA06424 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:13:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23376; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:10:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23195; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23176; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:09:59 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-16.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.169]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA20930; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:09:52 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "John Small" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: How to setup 2nd HDD ? Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:12:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <291iqs8on87ijotht8k9ch77ppcufpmj7o@4ax.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: John Small [mailto:jtsmall@onramp.net] wrote: > Well, lack of L2 cache is the one thing that I really thought bone > headed about IBM's ThinkPads. In all other respects they've been > the best notebooks I've used. Once you got past the 750 series, there weren't _that_ many without cache. Your 560 doesn't (but the 560E & X do), all of the 755XX series do with only 2 or 3 exceptions, all of the 760XX series (with the exception of the 760EL & ELD) do, etc. I know that a lot of the 3XX series units didn't have cache, but I've never had one other than a 380D, which did have cache. Regards, James From cph Sun Aug 27 17:29:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA06805 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:29:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08617; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:25:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07972; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07959; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.226 -> blount.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:25:30 -0400 Received: from user-37ka0h7.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37ka0h7.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.2.39]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA21724; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008272125.RAA21724@blount.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "John Small" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <8e1iqsgp2g22rlpnbg3f6lg1ruue26ccb5@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: How to setup 2nd HDD ? List-Unsubscribe: There is a USB supplement, but I have yet to find an application written for USB that has a W95 driver. On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:14:42 -0500, John Small wrote: >On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:23:31 -0400, "STeve Andre'" wrote: > >>I would strongly suggest moving back to Win95 on the older ThinkPad. If that >>can't be tolerated > >It can be. Overall I like the Win95 interface just fine. The one thing I like >about Win98SE is the toolbar button to minimize all apps ('show desktop'). I'd >sure like that feature with Win95OSR2. > >Are there any patches to OSR2 that I should install? Generally I don't go >looking for them as they're apt to cause as many if not more problems than they >fix ... at least that's my perception. > >Thanks. > >-jts From cph Sun Aug 27 17:49:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA06891 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:49:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11552; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:46:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11409; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11394; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:46:45 -0400 Received: from [216.126.180.104] (216.126.180.104) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.1.039) id 39A4119D0028F8DB; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:44:42 -0700 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000827021622.00b4ef00@pilot.msu.edu> References: <39A54A9B.18FA@worldnet.att.net> <20000824035952.26945.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> <39A54A9B.18FA@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:46:25 -0700 To: "STeve Andre'" , From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: Re: How to setup 2nd HDD ? List-Unsubscribe: At 2:23 AM -0400 8/27/2000, STeve Andre' wrote: >Win95 OSR2 with FAT32 is what I order from Dell. It might be quirky, but I >usually don't have to have my people reboot more than once a day under this >software platform. Make sure it's OSR2.1 rather than OSR2.5. OSR2.5 carries the dread IE4 Virus. --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 -- bosslady@msgeek.com Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! Coming soon: MsGeek.Org -- At last, a geek news site FOR US! Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Sun Aug 27 17:55:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA06915 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:55:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12508; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:53:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12315; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12302; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:53:07 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA11246; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:52:59 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001b01c01071$37d79cc0$5362183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Jon" , "Michelle Klein-Hass" Cc: References: Subject: Re: DAvinci PDA + Davinci keyboard for total $30 ! Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:53:18 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: For those who missed this deal, it may make you feel better to know that Staples is notorious for not honoring online coupons - some time after one orders one gets email >from them saying, "Sorry, but..." Now, can we get back to talking about ThinkPads?-) - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Klein-Hass" To: "Jon" Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 2:28 PM Subject: Re: DAvinci PDA + Davinci keyboard for total $30 ! >go to staples.com search for the davinci pc companion. these PDA retial >for $99 and now been discontinued for $49.99. get some paper clips to bump >the price up to $50. you will get free shipping too. >USE coupon $20 off $50 to make the price $30. >print the rebate form from staples for the free davinci full sized >keyboard offer for every purchase of the PDA. They're gone from Staples.Com. --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 -- bosslady@msgeek.com Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! Coming soon: MsGeek.Org -- At last, a geek news site FOR US! Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Sun Aug 27 17:59:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA06939 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:59:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13261; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:57:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12902; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12889; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:57:15 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA11267; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:57:09 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003b01c01071$ccccda20$5362183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , References: <39A84520.7750.80D64AD@localhost> Subject: Re: 2640-e0a Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:57:26 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "I have an external PCMCIA EZ-Gig drive that gives me fits." I have been using an external pcmcia HD case from HD45 for a couple or years, never had a problem. - David R. From cph Sun Aug 27 20:07:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA07407 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:07:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25408; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:04:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25233; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25220; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:04:42 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p41.hwts17.loop.net [207.211.63.86]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA26393 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008280004.RAA26393@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:06:35 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Cheap TV Tuners for ThinkPads? List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone have any suggestions on a cheap TV tuner for a lower end ThinkPad? I missed several eBay auctions for the 750 TV Tuner to stick in my 755C, but what about those from Margi or Nogatech? The only thing I don't like is the price, but I'm looking for something $160 or less. Paul From cph Sun Aug 27 20:09:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA07421 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:09:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25878; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:06:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25582; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25569; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:06:56 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p41.hwts17.loop.net [207.211.63.86]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA26529; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008280006.RAA26529@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "penzance@gate.net" Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:08:46 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [701] 701 Battery List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:01:27 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >OR, disassemble it, finde some new NiCad cells and try to rebuild it.. >OR, send it or sell it to a battery rebuilder.. If you can find the cells for that battery, as they might not be a standard size. I just bought a broken 701 yesterday for parts, and for a Linux machine, and noticed the NiCAD battery in it didn't power up, but shows up okay in this machine. If all else fails, I run the resetbat.exe program for the 701... Paul From cph Sun Aug 27 20:11:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA07434 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:11:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26367; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:08:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25929; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25915; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:08:29 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p41.hwts17.loop.net [207.211.63.86]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA26621 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200008280008.RAA26621@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: <200008280008.RAA26621@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" Resent-From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" X-Original-To: "Brad Burean" Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:05:12 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760 ac adapter List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:13:34 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >Does the 760 use the same one as the 755? If so, I have this covered for >the father-in-law.. Thanks for the help. > Yup - I'm actually using the adapter from my 760ED on my 755C, and it works fine. Adapters for the 355/360/750/755/760 are all interchangeable. Paul From cph Sun Aug 27 20:19:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA07489 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:19:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27218; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:16:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27023; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27010; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:16:30 -0400 Received: from [216.126.180.158] (216.126.180.158) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.1.039) id 39A4119D0029C92D; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:14:02 -0700 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200008280008.RAA26621@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:15:45 -0700 To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: Re: 760 ac adapter List-Unsubscribe: At 5:05 PM -0700 8/27/2000, Paul Khoury wrote: >On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:13:34 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: > >>Does the 760 use the same one as the 755? If so, I have this covered for >>the father-in-law.. Thanks for the help. >> >Yup - I'm actually using the adapter from my 760ED on my 755C, and >it works fine. > >Adapters for the 355/360/750/755/760 are all interchangeable. > >Paul And you can add the 365 to the list of interchangeable power adapters. --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 -- bosslady@msgeek.com Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! Coming soon: MsGeek.Org -- At last, a geek news site FOR US! Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Sun Aug 27 20:20:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA07495 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:19:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27482; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:17:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27098; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot13.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27085; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot13.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.33 -> pilot13.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:17:08 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm456-43.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.101]) by pilot13.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7S0H5D110276 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:17:05 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000827200938.00e6b580@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:16:26 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: How to setup 2nd HDD ? In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000827021622.00b4ef00@pilot.msu.edu> <39A54A9B.18FA@worldnet.att.net> <20000824035952.26945.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> <39A54A9B.18FA@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: HP has a scanner which works with USB under Win95 OSR 2.1. I got the scanner before realizing that Win95 didn't do USB well, but lucked out on that one. Heh--I consider IE of any version diseased software, along with Exchange--I completely discourage their use in any form. --STeve Andre' At 02:46 PM 8/27/00 -0700, Michelle Klein-Hass wrote: >At 2:23 AM -0400 8/27/2000, STeve Andre' wrote: > > >Win95 OSR2 with FAT32 is what I order from Dell. It might be quirky, but I > >usually don't have to have my people reboot more than once a day under this > >software platform. > >Make sure it's OSR2.1 rather than OSR2.5. OSR2.5 carries the dread IE4 Virus. > >--.\\<-H-- > >Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 -- bosslady@msgeek.com >Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! >Coming soon: MsGeek.Org -- At last, a geek news site FOR US! >Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Sun Aug 27 20:57:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA07678 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:57:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29646; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:54:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29505; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29491; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:54:25 -0400 Received: from 216-164-132-199.s453.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.132.199] helo=bilbobag) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13TDBv-0007Rb-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:54:24 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:53:06 -0400 Message-ID: <01C01068.CCF008A0.lingenfr@erols.com> From: Bilbo Baggins To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Bye Bye Butterfly Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:51:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I am upgrading to a 600, so it is time to part with one (or more) of my 701CSs. I will list this on Ebay if there is not a devotee out there who would like this. I will sell the following: 701CS in very good condition Upgraded to AMD 5x86-133 (works like a champ) Maxed out at 40MB RAM 700MB HD External Floppy A/C adapter Multiport adapter Parallel cable Users Guide for 701 and modem Dock II Includes adapter for 701 Includes IBM (Toshiba) CD Includes external 3.5" floppy drive that plugs in to the Dock II (not the same one that works with the 701 Includes display shelf If you don't see it listed here, check, because I believe that I have ever option available for the 701CS. Over time I have had three 701s. I sold one. I also have one with no screen that otherwise works perfectly (use it in the Dock II with a monitor) and a variety of parts. I will accept a reasonable offer. I am putting a note here because I believe that the folks who subscribe have a clue about what it would cost to assemble this system and we won't have to haggle around. I live in the DC area, but shipping should not be ridiculous. If you are interested, drop me a note with an offer. Otherwise, watch for it on Ebay and bid. Thanks. Rusty From cph Sun Aug 27 21:14:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA07782 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:14:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01002; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:11:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00791; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00776; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:11:19 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.17]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000828011117.EUMI14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:11:17 +0000 Message-ID: <004301c0108c$743a0840$110e4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Bye Bye Butterfly Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:08:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. Rusty, I would like to know about the deal. However you have left no email address. Cowthief@att.net Cowthief@drivernet.com Thanks everybody. From cph Sun Aug 27 21:28:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA07859 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:27:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01781; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:17:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01581; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01566; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:17:42 -0400 Received: from jnipper (jaxtnt1-216.199.5.107.fdn.com [216.199.5.107]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17524; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001501c010a6$f35c4560$6b05c7d8@jnipper.fdn.com> From: "Computer-Guru" To: "rudolph wratten" , Subject: Re: Bye Bye Butterfly Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:17:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Here is his address: lingenfr@erols.com Jim From cph Sun Aug 27 23:51:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA08509 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:51:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08932; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:43:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08692; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08679; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008280343.XAA08679@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.35 -> out5.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:43:51 -0400 Received: from slip202-135-81-112.bg.th.ibm.net ([202.135.81.112]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <20000828034010205032s69oe>; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:40:13 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Paul Khoury" Cc: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 00 10:43:30 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760 ac adapter List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:05:12 -0700, Paul Khoury wrote: > >Adapters for the 355/360/750/755/760 are all interchangeable. Also from the 700/720 series. Sometimes you can find them very inexpensively for sale. Jeffrey Race From cph Mon Aug 28 00:09:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA08580 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:09:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09961; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:59:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09770; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from willamette.cbn.net.id (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09756; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from willamette.cbn.net.id (202.158.3.6 -> willamette.cbn.net.id) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:59:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 29768 invoked by uid 1016); 28 Aug 2000 11:01:15 +0700 Received: from unknown (HELO usa.net) (202.158.58.20) by willamette.cbn.net.id with SMTP; 28 Aug 2000 11:01:15 +0700 Message-ID: <39A9E494.D3325AAF@usa.net> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:03:32 +0700 From: Benny Sabini Organization: Sabini Enterprises Pte Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: ThinkPad T20-2647-44U Dead LCD ??-- Help ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Sorry if this topic was posted before but I need some advice. I've been using T-20 -2647-44U ( PIII-700, 12 GB, 256 MB, DVD, 56k + 10/100, 14 in & Win98 SE) for fewer than a week, until yesterday suddenly the LCD washed out.. Just like that !. The screen was blanketed with grayish color and I couldn't see a thing. But I knew there were some activities judging by the hard drive icon. Then I tried to hook it up to the external monitor which was OK!!. Next I tried the FN-F7 key to alternate between LCD, CRT and both. Only the CRT was functioned. Then I used the Recovery CD and reformat & reinstall everything from scratch...still could not get the LCD going. I had not even play around with the BIOS setup nor installing any program yet, since I wanted to "familiarize" myself first with the machine for a few days. I went to the IBM site tried to look for relevant info but no luck. They have the latest BIOS ver 1.07 ( ....43WW ??), will this help ?? I hope its not hardware problem. Your advices or inputs are appreciated guys !! -- Benny S. ( a very anxious T20 owner, currently own a 701C ) From cph Mon Aug 28 00:17:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA08629 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:17:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10785; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:08:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10665; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10652; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:08:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:08:27 -0400 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.30]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000828040826.GQXC14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:08:26 +0000 Received: from [24.189.193.217] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:08:25 +0000 To: Benny Sabini Cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: ThinkPad T20-2647-44U Dead LCD ??-- Help ! Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:08:25 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: scosgt@att.net Message-Id: <20000828040826.GQXC14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: If you are not even getting the screen to display on boot up, it is a hardware problem. 1-800-772-2227 That's what the warranty is for! > Hi, > > Sorry if this topic was posted before but I need some advice. > I've been using T-20 -2647-44U ( PIII-700, 12 GB, 256 MB, DVD, 56k + > 10/100, > 14 in & Win98 SE) for fewer than a week, until yesterday suddenly > the LCD washed out.. Just like that !. > > The screen was blanketed with grayish color > and I couldn't see a thing. But I knew there were some activities > judging by the hard > drive icon. Then I tried to hook it up to the external monitor which was > OK!!. > Next I tried the FN-F7 key to alternate between LCD, CRT and both. Only > the CRT > was functioned. > Then I used the Recovery CD and reformat & reinstall everything from > scratch...still > could not get the LCD going. > > I had not even play around with the BIOS setup nor installing any > program yet, since > I wanted to "familiarize" myself first with the machine for a few days. > I went to the IBM site tried to look for relevant info but no luck. They > have the latest > BIOS ver 1.07 ( ....43WW ??), will this help ?? I hope its not hardware > problem. > Your advices or inputs are appreciated guys !! > > -- > Benny S. ( a very anxious T20 owner, currently own a 701C ) > From cph Mon Aug 28 00:21:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA08662 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:21:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11639; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:19:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11491; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11478; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:19:09 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.12.71]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000828041907.GTBE14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:19:07 +0000 Message-ID: <002001c010a6$b4943040$2f0e4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: ThinkPad T20-2647-44U Dead LCD ??-- Help ! Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:15:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. Perhaps the backlight quit, if you hold a bright flashlight directly on the screen, you may see shadows of screen activity, if this is the case, the backlight may have been turned off, or, the thing has failed. Backlight inverters, dealing both with high frequency and high voltage, can, and do, fail. Sometimes the backlight can be turned off by conflicted BIOS, suspend not correct. From cph Mon Aug 28 00:41:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA08762 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:41:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13009; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:38:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12837; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12824; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:38:33 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-318.gate.net [199.227.131.127]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA49764; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:38:28 -0400 Message-ID: <39A9ECED.70086388@gate.net> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:39:09 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Cheap TV Tuners for ThinkPads? References: <200008280004.RAA26393@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i've got a nogatect.. a year or so old.. its been run on a 560E (frame skipping), 600 (less frame skipping), 600E (even less frame skipping), and currently my 770Z.. only an occasional skipped frame).. it does the job, in a small window.. i run the display at vga and the window is about 1/4 the area.. Paul Khoury wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions on a cheap TV tuner for a lower end > ThinkPad? I missed several eBay auctions for the 750 TV Tuner to stick in my 755C, > but what about those from Margi or Nogatech? The only thing I don't like > is the price, but I'm looking for something $160 or less. > > Paul -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Mon Aug 28 00:57:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA08837 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:57:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14256; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:51:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14076; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14063; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:51:18 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-318.gate.net [199.227.131.127]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA120396; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:51:15 -0400 Message-ID: <39A9EFEC.298FE9A5@gate.net> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:51:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bilbo Baggins CC: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: Feedback on 600 References: <01C00FA9.6CDBAEC0.lingenfr@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: if you can, get a 600E, as it is an enhanced box over the 600.. Bilbo Baggins wrote: > I have been looking for a 600 to replace (or add to) my 701C and CS. It > looks like a 266 is about in my price range (under $1000). I looked at the > specs on the 300, but with a FSB of 66mhz on both models, I imagine that > there is not much difference in performance. I plan to run Win2K and Linux > on this box. Any advice appreciated. Thanks. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Mon Aug 28 01:07:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA08892 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:07:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15573; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:00:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14927; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot26.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14914; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot26.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.46 -> pilot26.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:00:55 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm453-43.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.197]) by pilot26.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7S50rm34940 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:00:53 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000828005652.022f1980@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:00:03 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Used 18G disks for sale? In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000827021622.00b4ef00@pilot.msu.edu> <39A54A9B.18FA@worldnet.att.net> <20000824035952.26945.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> <39A54A9B.18FA@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I am wondering if anyone on the list might have a used 18G disk, preferably Toshiba, that they'd be willing to part with. Owing to kid's school needs I shouldn't spend $250 on a new one, so started to wonder if anyone might have upgraded to something larger and have a disk lying about...? I am reluctant to get something like this on ebay. --STeve Andre' From cph Mon Aug 28 01:07:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA08896 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:07:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15000; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:59:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14781; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14767; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:59:33 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-318.gate.net [199.227.131.127]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA36880; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:59:27 -0400 Message-ID: <39A9F1DA.CF7BC345@gate.net> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:00:10 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benny Sabini CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: ThinkPad T20-2647-44U Dead LCD ??-- Help ! References: <39A9E494.D3325AAF@usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Benny... sure sounds like hardware to me.. get thee to easy serve.. call 800-772-2227 and get a shipping box on the way to you.. Benny Sabini wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry if this topic was posted before but I need some advice. > I've been using T-20 -2647-44U ( PIII-700, 12 GB, 256 MB, DVD, 56k + > 10/100, > 14 in & Win98 SE) for fewer than a week, until yesterday suddenly > the LCD washed out.. Just like that !. > > The screen was blanketed with grayish color > and I couldn't see a thing. But I knew there were some activities > judging by the hard > drive icon. Then I tried to hook it up to the external monitor which was > OK!!. > Next I tried the FN-F7 key to alternate between LCD, CRT and both. Only > the CRT > was functioned. > Then I used the Recovery CD and reformat & reinstall everything from > scratch...still > could not get the LCD going. > > I had not even play around with the BIOS setup nor installing any > program yet, since > I wanted to "familiarize" myself first with the machine for a few days. > I went to the IBM site tried to look for relevant info but no luck. They > have the latest > BIOS ver 1.07 ( ....43WW ??), will this help ?? I hope its not hardware > problem. > Your advices or inputs are appreciated guys !! > > -- > Benny S. ( a very anxious T20 owner, currently own a 701C ) -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Mon Aug 28 06:53:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA10252 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 06:53:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04726; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 06:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 06:43:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04583; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 06:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04566; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 06:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 06:43:43 -0400 Received: from tk-laptop (tk-laptop.egenet.com.tr [212.175.201.38]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA26535; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:42:30 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200008281042.NAA26535@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "STeve Andre'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:42:56 +0300 Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.90.3000) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: How to setup 2nd HDD ? List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:23:31 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >Windows 2000 *is* better than anything else MS has created; after playing ... almost reaching the stability level of OS/2, and will one day reach the stability level of free Unix's.. -turgut ------------ EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Mon Aug 28 08:16:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA10549 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:16:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09155; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:13:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08999; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08985; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (144.92.108.61 -> ssec.wisc.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:13:14 -0400 Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (bru.ssec.wisc.edu [144.92.118.67]) by ssec.wisc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA46442 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:15:41 -0500 Message-ID: <39AA5762.ED2156F0@ssec.wisc.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:13:22 -0500 From: Paul Schnettler Reply-To: paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu Organization: UW-Space Science and Engineering Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: wanted:6gig or under HD for 755cx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: With all the discussion lately on large sized drives for the newer thinkpads... I've got the upgrade bug! Anyone have a 1 to 6 gig HD for sale? Thanks, Paul Schnettler paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu From cph Mon Aug 28 10:10:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA11195 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:10:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17013; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:07:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16751; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop6.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16735; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop6.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.9 -> mplspop6.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:07:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 24635 invoked by alias); 28 Aug 2000 14:07:48 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 24603 invoked by uid 0); 28 Aug 2000 14:07:47 -0000 Received: from dialupjj207.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.35.207) by mplspop6.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Aug 2000 14:07:47 -0000 Message-ID: <005301c010f9$6aa281f0$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "Brad Burean" , "Thinkpad Users" References: <003101c00fda$1328c4e0$d6f0163f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: ibm 760el Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:08:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I find the enlarged display to be generally awful except for games. Instead, I suggest you set Large Fonts or use one of the large sized appearance styles on the desktop properties. You still have the real-estate if you need it, but text gets rendered with more pixels so it looks better. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 10:51 PM Subject: ibm 760el > I just bought a barebones system for my father-in-law off ebay. I'm > needing; memory, a floppy, a HD, battery, and a ac adapter. If you have any > of these items let me know. He just uses his 701c for juno, but the letters > are worn off some of the keys and the screens to small for his old eyes. > So I'm getting this 760el ready for him. I wonder, if I took the HD out of > the caddy on the 701 shouldn't it work in the 760? > > Can I set the 760 to display in 640x480 and fit the whole screen? To make > the icons and text larger for him? > > > Brad > > > From cph Mon Aug 28 11:17:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11619 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:17:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22983; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:13:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22705; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.paceindustries.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22677; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.paceindustries.com (208.228.112.131 -> paceindustries.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:13:54 -0400 Received: FROM lpag1.paceind.com BY www.paceindustries.com ; Mon Aug 28 09:55:37 2000 -0500 Received: by LPAG1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:18:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ken Whelan To: "'THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Thinkpad 390 Batteries Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:18:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I am having a very tough time finding batteries for Thinkpad 390's. Does anyone out there have a source for them. Thanks Ken From cph Mon Aug 28 12:09:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA11962 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:09:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26648; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:59:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26457; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26444; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:59:05 -0400 Received: from davidreidmob (tnt10-216-180-65-58.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.58]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e7SFx2728306 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:59:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000201c01108$e2c44ce0$3a41b4d8@davidreidmob> From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: TP Infared communications . . . what's the trick? Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:57:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Here's the setup: Thinkpad 770z IR is enabled and searching Thinkpad 760ELD IR front is enabled and searching Both runnning Win98se Both units report "No IR devices found within range. Range is 12 inches with clear port view of each other. Also, Windows help file states Direct Cable Connection can be used for IR communication but neither unit shows the IR as an available port. What's the trick to get IR working and what software should be used (I have Laplink, pcAnywhere, Traxit and of course DCC). Thanks list, Dave From cph Mon Aug 28 12:27:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA12110 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:27:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29268; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:23:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29081; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29065; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:23:50 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-41.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.41]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA17112 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:23:45 +0300 Message-Id: <200008281623.TAA17112@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:23:49 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000828005652.022f1980@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Used 18G disks for sale? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: Given that 18GB was the largest 2.5"/12.5mm drive you could get only a few months ago, I doubt there will be many people willing to part from theirs, especially since you seem to believe $250 is a lot of money for a new one. What would be the "right" price for a used one, according to you? -Dominique On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 at 01:00 AM you, "STeve Andre'" , said: > I am wondering if anyone on the list might have a used 18G disk, >preferably Toshiba, that they'd be willing to part with. Owing to kid's >school needs I shouldn't spend $250 on a new one, so started to wonder if >anyone might have upgraded to something larger and have a disk lying >about...? > I am reluctant to get something like this on ebay. >--STeve Andre' From cph Mon Aug 28 13:01:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA12360 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:01:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03000; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:57:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02498; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hakodate.cbn.net.id (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02484; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hakodate.cbn.net.id (202.158.3.15 -> hakodate.cbn.net.id) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:57:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 1865 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2000 00:00:28 +0700 Received: from unknown (HELO usa.net) (202.158.62.152) by hakodate.cbn.net.id with SMTP; 29 Aug 2000 00:00:28 +0700 Message-ID: <39AA9B1F.4594DD93@usa.net> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:02:23 +0700 From: "Benny S." Organization: Sabini Enterprises Pte Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: ThinkPad T20-2647-44U Dead LCD ??-- Help ! References: <39A9E494.D3325AAF@usa.net> <39A9F1DA.CF7BC345@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to those who responded. I'll post any progress with ez serve in case there are those who is having the same problem. Is it just my biased opinion or is it that IBM's quality degrades recently. I think my 701C has 'better material/fit&finish' compare to the T20. Don't know about the parts inside though!! Bill Morrow wrote: > Benny... > > sure sounds like hardware to me.. > get thee to easy serve.. > call 800-772-2227 and get a shipping box on the way to you.. > > Benny Sabini wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Sorry if this topic was posted before but I need some advice. > > I've been using T-20 -2647-44U ( PIII-700, 12 GB, 256 MB, DVD, 56k + > > 10/100, > > 14 in & Win98 SE) for fewer than a week, until yesterday suddenly > > the LCD washed out.. Just like that !. > > > > The screen was blanketed with grayish color > > and I couldn't see a thing. But I knew there were some activities > > judging by the hard > > drive icon. Then I tried to hook it up to the external monitor which was > > OK!!. > > Next I tried the FN-F7 key to alternate between LCD, CRT and both. Only > > the CRT > > was functioned. > > Then I used the Recovery CD and reformat & reinstall everything from > > scratch...still > > could not get the LCD going. > > > > I had not even play around with the BIOS setup nor installing any > > program yet, since > > I wanted to "familiarize" myself first with the machine for a few days. > > I went to the IBM site tried to look for relevant info but no luck. They > > have the latest > > BIOS ver 1.07 ( ....43WW ??), will this help ?? I hope its not hardware > > problem. > > Your advices or inputs are appreciated guys !! > > > > -- > > Benny S. ( a very anxious T20 owner, currently own a 701C ) > > -- > --- > > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > sic transit gloria -- Benny S. ( a very anxious T20 owner, currently own a 701C ) From cph Mon Aug 28 13:21:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA12501 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:21:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05598; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:18:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05285; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot05.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05266; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot05.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.25 -> pilot05.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:18:49 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (cherryholmes.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.41]) by pilot05.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7SHIl685172 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:18:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000828131357.00e74360@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:18:47 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Used 18G disks for sale? In-Reply-To: <200008281623.TAA17112@mail.clinet.fi> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000828005652.022f1980@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I was thinking of 20 to 30% down from $250 as a reasonable ball park figure for such a drive. Thats usually what I've done, or helped others with in the past when buying desktop drives. Laptop drives are at more of a premium I know, so perhaps my figures are just plain wrong here. $250 isn't too much for one--I may well wind up doing that later on--but I'm feeling cheap right now with my kids vacuuming out my wallet, and the fact that I can regularly get other hardware cheaply (like 100M ethernet cards for $7), so the idea of paying less for a laptop drive is enticing. ;-) Still, what you say about them recently being the largest drive is true, so perhaps I'm jumping the gun. --STeve Andre' At 07:23 PM 8/28/00 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >Given that 18GB was the largest 2.5"/12.5mm drive you could get only a few >months ago, I doubt there will be many people willing to part from theirs, >especially since you seem to believe $250 is a lot of money for a new one. >What would be the "right" price for a used one, according to you? > >-Dominique > >On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 at 01:00 AM you, "STeve Andre'" , >said: > > > I am wondering if anyone on the list might have a used 18G disk, > >preferably Toshiba, that they'd be willing to part with. Owing to kid's > >school needs I shouldn't spend $250 on a new one, so started to wonder if > >anyone might have upgraded to something larger and have a disk lying > >about...? > > > I am reluctant to get something like this on ebay. > > >--STeve Andre' From cph Mon Aug 28 13:30:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA12602 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:30:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06598; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:27:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06385; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06371; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:27:48 -0400 Received: from client-151-198-117-171.nnj.dialup.bellatlantic.net (client-151-198-117-171.nnj.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.198.117.171]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA24562 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:27:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael D. Scheer" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: archive Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:28:48 -0400 Organization: Plexus Systems Inc. Reply-To: mdash@plexsys.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA12603 Would someone please point me to the list archive? Thanks. Sorry to ask what is probably a FAQ. --Mike Scheer From cph Mon Aug 28 13:53:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA12737 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:53:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09108; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:50:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08944; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08930; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (216.100.248.113 -> adsl-216-100-248-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:50:21 -0400 Received: (from bandy@localhost) by cinnamon.com (8.10.2/8.6.12) id e7SHq7F03360 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:52:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Beals Message-Id: <200008281752.e7SHq7F03360@cinnamon.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: serial infrared adaptor for pcmcia computers pn 08h3656 List-Unsubscribe: It comes with win3.1 drivers, but w95 doesn't recognize it. Any hope of getting this working on my tp730te/w95 machine or is it a lost cause? thx andy From cph Mon Aug 28 13:56:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA12767 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:56:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09651; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:53:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09384; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09371; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.teleport.com (192.108.254.43 -> mail2.teleport.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:52:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 25619 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2000 17:52:55 -0000 Received: from i48-40-07.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO teleport.com) (216.26.62.135) by mail2.teleport.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2000 17:52:55 -0000 Message-ID: <39AAA693.7E21298@teleport.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:51:15 -0700 From: Bryan Daum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Error 630 message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have been plagued with the "Error 630" modem not responding or something similar after my 600e goes into suspend. The only fix is to reboot (ugh.). After rebooting the first dial up attempt results in no dial tone but when I cancel and try to reconnect all works fine. IBM said send it back for a loose modem or failing modem but it returned the same. Is anyone else finding this problem? Thanks, Bryan Otherwise delighted with my new 600E From cph Mon Aug 28 14:52:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA13056 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:52:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14633; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:49:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14338; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14325; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:49:29 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA13959; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:49:22 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001701c01120$bb8a42c0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "David Reid" , "ThinkPad-L" References: <000201c01108$e2c44ce0$3a41b4d8@davidreidmob> Subject: Re: TP Infared communications . . . what's the trick? Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:49:44 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I can't help with the no-see-port problem, but IMHO the best way to use IR is windows networking. I haven't tried this in W98, but in W95 one can find 'virtual' modem drivers which work on any com port, including the IR port. You can then set up a Windows network connection (whatever protocol you like) across this 'modem' by using the windows Dial-Up Server on one machine, and Dial-Up Networking on the other. I used to do this every day at the office (between my ThinkPad and a Micron which was on the office network). Once you get it set up, it is very nice. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 5:57 AM Subject: TP Infared communications . . . what's the trick? Here's the setup: Thinkpad 770z IR is enabled and searching Thinkpad 760ELD IR front is enabled and searching Both runnning Win98se Both units report "No IR devices found within range. Range is 12 inches with clear port view of each other. Also, Windows help file states Direct Cable Connection can be used for IR communication but neither unit shows the IR as an available port. What's the trick to get IR working and what software should be used (I have Laplink, pcAnywhere, Traxit and of course DCC). Thanks list, Dave From cph Mon Aug 28 15:02:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA13144 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:02:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15700; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:57:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15391; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15375; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:57:02 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA13992 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:57:00 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002101c01121$cc3fcc60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000828005652.022f1980@pilot.msu.edu> <4.3.2.7.0.20000828131357.00e74360@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Used 18G disks for sale? Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:57:21 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "I was thinking of 20 to 30% down from $250 as a reasonable ball park figure for such a drive." You are probably better off finding a new one for sale at an online store which has a coupon deal going on. For example, buy.com (who might or might not sell these drives) currently has a $30 off $150 coupon available. (See places like dealnews.com or deal-finder.com for such coupons.) - David R. From cph Mon Aug 28 15:02:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA13145 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:02:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15573; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:56:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15301; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15288; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:56:32 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.202.190 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:55:50 -0700 Message-ID: <00bc01c01122$0fdd5e60$d8ca1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: 755cx HD Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:59:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Will it work in a 760el? From cph Mon Aug 28 17:00:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA14134 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:00:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26467; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:58:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26189; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot12.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26174; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot12.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.32 -> pilot12.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:58:31 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (cherryholmes.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.41]) by pilot12.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7SKwS5109318 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:58:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000828165606.02518230@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:58:29 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Used 18G disks for sale? In-Reply-To: <002101c01121$cc3fcc60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000828005652.022f1980@pilot.msu.edu> <4.3.2.7.0.20000828131357.00e74360@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Thank you David, for the pointers to those sites. I'd known that they existed but never looked 'till now. I suspect I won't save on a disk because of them, but it's good to know about them anyway! Someone else wrote me with an explanation of why I'm not seeing used 18G disks--they're being used in the companies where upgrades are going on, letting people with smaller disks upgrade to those. Makes sense. Ah well, I guess I'll have to save pennies that my kids don't find for a while. ;-) --STeve Andre' At 08:57 AM 8/28/00 -1000, David Ross wrote: >"I was thinking of 20 to 30% down from $250 as a reasonable ball park >figure >for such a drive." > >You are probably better off finding a new one for sale at an online >store which has >a coupon deal going on. For example, buy.com (who might or might not >sell these drives) >currently has a $30 off $150 coupon available. (See places like >dealnews.com or deal-finder.com >for such coupons.) > >- David R. From cph Mon Aug 28 17:17:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA14268 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:17:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28111; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:14:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27804; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27782; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:14:12 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-21.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.174]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17012; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:14:05 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "David Reid" , "ThinkPad-L" Subject: RE: TP Infared communications . . . what's the trick? Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:16:23 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000201c01108$e2c44ce0$3a41b4d8@davidreidmob> List-Unsubscribe: Dave, Check here: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3S4TYA.html for explicit instructions. This will actually work and looks real whiz bang, but it's _very_ slow compared to a cable connection. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: David Reid [mailto:dwreid@hiwaay.net] > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:58 AM > To: ThinkPad-L > Subject: TP Infared communications . . . what's the trick? > > > Here's the setup: > > Thinkpad 770z IR is enabled and searching > > Thinkpad 760ELD IR front is enabled and searching > > Both runnning Win98se > > Both units report "No IR devices found within range. Range is 12 inches > with clear port view of each other. > > Also, Windows help file states Direct Cable Connection can be used for IR > communication but neither unit shows the IR as an available port. > > What's the trick to get IR working and what software should be used (I have > Laplink, pcAnywhere, Traxit and of course DCC). > > Thanks list, > > Dave From cph Mon Aug 28 17:22:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA14312 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:22:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28704; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:19:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28427; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28410; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:19:27 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.58.29]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000828211925.LTZR13787.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:19:25 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c01135$3e186960$1d3a4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Re: Used 18G disks for sale? Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:16:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. We have users still running 3+ gig drives, 6.4 is an upgrade. 18 gig drives are larger than most desktops, average, installed base. This is not to say you will not find one, just that the hunt will take on a safari like feel Re: Installed base of computers, U.S. Dept of commerce, F.Y. 2000, 1st quarter. From cph Mon Aug 28 17:25:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA14352 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:25:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29192; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:22:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28757; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28726; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:22:27 -0400 Received: from thinkpad ([12.77.94.137]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000828212217.VYJJ9297.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@thinkpad> for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:22:17 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c01136$31f32b60$9bf4a8c0@thinkpad> Reply-To: "Ronald Ross" From: "Ronald Ross" To: "THINKPAD Mailing List" References: <004801beeb2a$cbc39960$0200a8c0@Laptop> Subject: How to subscribe? Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:23:16 -0400 Organization: RJR Consultants, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: How do I subscribe to this list? Ronald J. Ross RJR Consultants, Inc. Charlotte, NC 704/335/3303 Voice 603/994/1714 Fax 704/408/7530 Mobile From cph Mon Aug 28 19:33:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA15167 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:33:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08748; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:28:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08391; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsboro.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08378; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsboro.net (208.241.143.4 -> mail.hillsboro.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:28:29 -0400 Received: from 63pc85.hillsboro.net ([63.64.41.85]) by mail.hillsboro.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64747U3500L350S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:39:25 -0500 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: TP Infared communications . . . what's the trick? Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:26:40 -0500 Message-ID: <95tlqs4ukkm6d5bgtcnse427stot9at8tl@4ax.com> References: <000201c01108$e2c44ce0$3a41b4d8@davidreidmob> In-Reply-To: <000201c01108$e2c44ce0$3a41b4d8@davidreidmob> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA15168 On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:57:46 -0500, "David Reid" wrote: >Both units report "No IR devices found within range. Range is 12 inches >with clear port view of each other. In my experience it's a com/IRQ issue. If you have not check carefully the resources and setup the IR icon in control panel accordingly. I do not know the 760 ... sure it's in the front. It may look like it (it looks like it on my 560 but it's actually behind the on-off switch!) but be elsewhere. -jts From cph Mon Aug 28 19:36:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA15185 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:36:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09224; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:31:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08629; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsboro.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08613; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsboro.net (208.241.143.4 -> mail.hillsboro.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:31:43 -0400 Received: from 63pc85.hillsboro.net ([63.64.41.85]) by mail.hillsboro.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64747U3500L350S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:42:35 -0500 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: How to setup 2nd HDD ? Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:29:50 -0500 Message-ID: References: <39A54A9B.18FA@worldnet.att.net> <20000824035952.26945.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> <39A54A9B.18FA@worldnet.att.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000827021622.00b4ef00@pilot.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA15186 On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:46:25 -0700, Michelle Klein-Hass wrote: >Make sure it's OSR2.1 rather than OSR2.5. OSR2.5 carries the dread IE4 Virus. How to spot the difference before install? Thanks. -jts From cph Mon Aug 28 20:15:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA15444 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:15:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12581; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:11:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12351; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12337; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:11:18 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA15792 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:11:14 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001901c0114d$b2344d60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad-L" References: Subject: Re: TP Infared communications . . . what's the trick? Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:11:35 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "Check here: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3S4TYA.html for explicit instructions. This will actually work and looks real whiz bang, but it's _very_ slow compared to a cable connection." Actually, I found IR surprisingly usable for things like email and web surfing. It was only noticeably sluggish for file biggish transfers. - David R. From cph Mon Aug 28 22:51:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA16327 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:51:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22388; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:46:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22155; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22142; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:46:52 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (206-97-58-198.ip.theriver.com [206.97.58.198]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F5426696; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:51:47 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <39AB1836.33F7BF73@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:56:06 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Small Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: TP Infared communications . . . what's the trick? References: <000201c01108$e2c44ce0$3a41b4d8@davidreidmob> <95tlqs4ukkm6d5bgtcnse427stot9at8tl@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John Small wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:57:46 -0500, "David Reid" wrote: > > >Both units report "No IR devices found within range. Range is 12 inches > >with clear port view of each other. > > In my experience it's a com/IRQ issue. If you have not check carefully the > resources and setup the IR icon in control panel accordingly. > > I do not know the 760 ... sure it's in the front. It may look like it (it looks > like it on my 560 but it's actually behind the on-off switch!) but be elsewhere. The 760ED has IR ports on both the front and back. You need to check which, if any, of the ports are active. If the back is active and you try to use the front port, it definately will not work. Also, the 760 series does not like for both the IR and serial ports to be turned on at the same time. James Mckenzie From cph Mon Aug 28 22:57:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA16355 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:57:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22941; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:52:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22735; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web118.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22722; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web118.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.99 -> web118.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:52:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 17621 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2000 02:52:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000829025219.17620.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web118.yahoomail.com; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:52:19 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:52:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: How to setup 2nd HDD ? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: It doesn't matter which version it is since the dreaded IE4 virus can easily be upgraded to the IE5 virus (now 5.5) by downloading a newer version and installing it from MS. At least then it will be more useful! >On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:46:25 -0700, Michelle Klein->Hass >wrote: >Make sure it's OSR2.1 rather than OSR2.5. OSR2.5 >carries the dread IE4 Virus. >How to spot the difference before install? >Thanks. ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Mon Aug 28 23:06:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA16384 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:06:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24357; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:02:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23662; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web118.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23648; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web118.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.99 -> web118.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:02:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 18761 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2000 03:02:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20000829030212.18760.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web118.yahoomail.com; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:02:12 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:02:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Used 18G disks for sale? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: And make sure it has a WARRANTY from the seller since they don't last long and IBM won't honor theirs! --- David Ross wrote: > "I was thinking of 20 to 30% down from $250 as a > reasonable ball park > figure > for such a drive." > > You are probably better off finding a new one for > sale at an online > store which has > a coupon deal going on. For example, buy.com (who > might or might not > sell these drives) > currently has a $30 off $150 coupon available. (See > places like > dealnews.com or deal-finder.com > for such coupons.) > > - David R. > > ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Mon Aug 28 23:07:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA16388 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:07:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24599; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:03:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23800; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23786; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.147.1.143 -> chmls05.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:03:24 -0400 Received: from JDM-TP600E.mediaone.net (h0040100c9388.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.170.135]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA08078 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000828151544.00b0b7f0@pop.ne.mediaone.net> X-Sender: amalis@pop.ne.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:18:05 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jon Malis Subject: Re: Error 630 message In-Reply-To: <39AAA693.7E21298@teleport.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 10:51 AM 8/28/2000 -0700, Bryan Daum wrote: >I have been plagued with the "Error 630" modem not responding or >something similar after my 600e goes into suspend. > >The only fix is to reboot (ugh.). After rebooting the first dial up >attempt results in no dial tone but when I cancel and try to reconnect >all works fine. > >Is anyone else finding this problem? I've been getting the same problem for as long as I've had my 600e -- It's quite annoying, although I've come to live with it. If anyone knows of a fix, please let me know, as I do a lot of suspending + dialing out, which don't seem to mix with the 600e. As for the No dial tone, I just tell my laptop to ignore searching for a dialtone, but that's also because I do traveling in countries which have non-US dial tones. --jon ---------- Jon Malis jmalis@mail.com Principal Network Consultant, Computing Consultant Mal-Tech Consulting From cph Mon Aug 28 23:21:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA16454 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:21:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25826; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:16:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25479; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25465; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:15:55 -0400 Received: from p3-800 (client-151-204-210-66.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.66]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA24205 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000828232133.01637100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:21:33 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Used 18G disks for sale? In-Reply-To: <20000829030212.18760.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:02 PM 08/28/2000 -0700, Steve C. wrote: >And make sure it has a WARRANTY from the seller since >they don't last long and IBM won't honor theirs! I know you must have read the following reply from James, but in case you missed it (or still have hostility over misunderstanding grey market items vs. direct sale items), here you go: -------------------- BEGIN MESSAGE ------------------------------ Read this from the first URL YOU listed below: "No limited warranty is provided unless the drive was purchased initially from IBM by an IBM authorized North American distributor. Distributors may sell drives to resellers who then sell drives to end-users." "This limited warranty does not apply if the drive was purchased from IBM by an original equipment manufacturer (OEM) and later resold to a reseller or an end-user. If the drive was purchased by an OEM, that particular OEM's warranty applies to the drive and you should contact the OEM from whom you purchased your system regarding warranty information." What part of this do you NOT understand? You admittedly DID NOT buy your HD from IBM directly. So you wound up with an OEM unit that DOES NOT have an IBM warranty. The lesson in Caveat Emptor is finished and paid for by yourself so go and sin no more. Now STFU and quit whining to us about your drive. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve C. [mailto:stevec50@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:28 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: IBM OEM Hard drive support for the misinformed > > > --- STeve Andre' wrote: > > Sigh.... IBM has always had a warranty on their > > disks, Steve. > Then why don't their Warranty page list any warranty? > Just try and explain that one! > http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/hdnawarranty.htm > > > If you don't > > believe that, why don't you call IBM and verify > > that? > I did, they said NO! > > > You are confusing IBM's sometimes Byzantine web > > pages with the concept > > that warranties are new to them, which simply isn't > > the case. > Quit being so blind and check for yourself! > The page for NEW Travelstar GN12-GN32 drives list a 3 > year warranty at: > http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/tr12gn.htm. > > The page for the older GN6 Travelstar lists NO > Warranty at: > http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/prod/ts6gn.htm > > > I understand that you are in a bad situation, having > > bought a drive with no > > apparent warranty. This is indeed unfortunate, and > > is very much the downside > > of "grey market" that exists in the technology > > market. > Or consumer fraud and misleading marketing on IBM's > part? > > > But making claims like IBM has only recently been > > pressured into offering a > > warranty is simple nonsense. > > > > You do the list a disservice when making blatantly > > false claims. > > Are you also a shill planted by IBM to help counter > unfavorable comments? You seem to have more than just > a passing interest in IBM! Mighty suspicious! ------------------- END MESSAGE ------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Aug 28 23:46:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA16606 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:46:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27696; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:43:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27438; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27424; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.121 -> web120.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:43:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 6632 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2000 03:43:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000829034331.6631.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web120.yahoomail.com; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:43:31 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:43:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Used 18G disks for sale? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Why don't you stop wasting bandwidth by repeating this crap! Everyone but a couple of troublemakers know it's nonsense. Besides, I just found out that the drive is out of a NEW TP-i1460 that was just purchased in January. It should be covered under the (hidden) 3 year warranty or at least the 1 year TP warranty. Those bastards at IBM LIED to me when they said it has no warranty! Let's see you defend that, smartass! --- Mark Bell wrote: > At 08:02 PM 08/28/2000 -0700, Steve C. wrote: > >And make sure it has a WARRANTY from the seller > since > >they don't last long and IBM won't honor theirs! > > I know you must have read the following reply from > James, but in case you missed it (or still have > hostility over misunderstanding grey market > items vs. direct sale items), here you go: > > > -------------------- BEGIN MESSAGE ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Tue Aug 29 00:54:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA16874 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:54:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01066; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:49:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00739; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00726; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:49:33 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-21.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.174]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA04296; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 04:49:26 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Steve C." , Cc: "Mark Bell" Subject: RE: Used 18G disks for sale? Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:51:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000829034331.6631.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> List-Unsubscribe: I don't understand why we're even attempting to explain anything to you any longer given your attitude with us. We didn't break your drive. I'll type this very slowly so you can keep up. Do you own the Thinkpad the drive came out of? If you do, then it's covered under the Thinkpad warranty, as the IBM division that manufactures Thinkpads is just another OEM as far as the IBM division that manufactures drives is concerned. If you don't own the Thinkpad it came out of, you have the same warranty rights as a guy who bought the old radio out of a car after the purchaser upgraded it with an aftermarket one. I.e., NONE! If you had purchased the drive new from an IBM VAR, you'd have a warranty for it. As I explained to you in another email, IBM _DOES NOT_ sell laptop drives directly to consumers and the URL you referred to was information for OEMs, hence the lack of express warranty information. IBM has not lied to you about your drive not being under warranty, as the warranty is provided to the ORIGINAL PURCHASER!! Ranting and raving may have gotten Mommy and Daddy to give you what you wanted, but it won't work here. Now grow TFU and give it up. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve C. [mailto:stevec50@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:44 PM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Used 18G disks for sale? > > > Why don't you stop wasting bandwidth by repeating this > crap! Everyone but a couple of troublemakers know > it's nonsense. > Besides, I just found out that the drive is out of a > NEW TP-i1460 that was just purchased in January. It > should be covered under the (hidden) 3 year warranty > or at least the 1 year TP warranty. Those bastards at > IBM LIED to me when they said it has no warranty! > Let's see you defend that, smartass! > > --- Mark Bell wrote: > > At 08:02 PM 08/28/2000 -0700, Steve C. wrote: > > >And make sure it has a WARRANTY from the seller > > since > > >they don't last long and IBM won't honor theirs! > > > > I know you must have read the following reply from > > James, but in case you missed it (or still have > > hostility over misunderstanding grey market > > items vs. direct sale items), here you go: > > > > > > -------------------- BEGIN MESSAGE > > > ===== > Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband > Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone > modem was faster! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Tue Aug 29 01:03:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA16920 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:03:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01793; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:59:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01474; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01455; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:59:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:59:30 -0400 Received: from dmpollock ([12.79.54.233]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000829045928.WBJY17157.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@dmpollock>; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 04:59:28 +0000 To: Jon Malis Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Error 630 message Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:59:38 -0400 Reply-To: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net Message-ID: References: <39AAA693.7E21298@teleport.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000828151544.00b0b7f0@pop.ne.mediaone.net> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000828151544.00b0b7f0@pop.ne.mediaone.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: What OS is this and what version. There were some known issues with Windows and hardware not waking up if I recall related to buggy power management implementation. On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:18:05 -0400, you wrote: >At 10:51 AM 8/28/2000 -0700, Bryan Daum wrote: >>I have been plagued with the "Error 630" modem not responding or >>something similar after my 600e goes into suspend. >> >>The only fix is to reboot (ugh.). After rebooting the first dial up >>attempt results in no dial tone but when I cancel and try to reconnect >>all works fine. >> >>Is anyone else finding this problem? > >I've been getting the same problem for as long as I've had my 600e -- It's >quite annoying, although I've come to live with it. If anyone knows of a >fix, please let me know, as I do a lot of suspending + dialing out, which >don't seem to mix with the 600e. > >As for the No dial tone, I just tell my laptop to ignore searching for a >dialtone, but that's also because I do traveling in countries which have >non-US dial tones. > >--jon >---------- >Jon Malis >jmalis@mail.com >Principal Network Consultant, Computing Consultant >Mal-Tech Consulting From cph Tue Aug 29 01:16:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA16968 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:16:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02906; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:13:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02498; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02485; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:13:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:13:12 -0400 Received: from dmpollock ([12.79.54.233]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000829051310.WEBA17157.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@dmpollock>; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 05:13:10 +0000 To: Jon Malis Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Error 630 message Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:13:20 -0400 Reply-To: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net Message-ID: References: <39AAA693.7E21298@teleport.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000828151544.00b0b7f0@pop.ne.mediaone.net> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000828151544.00b0b7f0@pop.ne.mediaone.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Also, are you using WinFax Pro by any chance. The controller on some versions may grab the modem when it wakes up. Shutting that off fixes it I believe. On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:18:05 -0400, you wrote: >At 10:51 AM 8/28/2000 -0700, Bryan Daum wrote: >>I have been plagued with the "Error 630" modem not responding or >>something similar after my 600e goes into suspend. >> >>The only fix is to reboot (ugh.). After rebooting the first dial up >>attempt results in no dial tone but when I cancel and try to reconnect >>all works fine. >> >>Is anyone else finding this problem? > >I've been getting the same problem for as long as I've had my 600e -- It's >quite annoying, although I've come to live with it. If anyone knows of a >fix, please let me know, as I do a lot of suspending + dialing out, which >don't seem to mix with the 600e. > >As for the No dial tone, I just tell my laptop to ignore searching for a >dialtone, but that's also because I do traveling in countries which have >non-US dial tones. > >--jon >---------- >Jon Malis >jmalis@mail.com >Principal Network Consultant, Computing Consultant >Mal-Tech Consulting From cph Tue Aug 29 01:17:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA16972 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:17:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03078; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:13:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02612; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02599; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:13:56 -0400 Received: from prmlaw (adsl-151-202-18-129.bellatlantic.net [151.202.18.129]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA23547; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008290513.BAA23547@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> From: "Philip R. Mann" To: "James H. E. Maugham" , "Steve C." , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "Mark Bell" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Philip R. Mann" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Used 18G disks for sale? List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:51:49 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: >As I explained to you in another email, IBM _DOES NOT_ sell laptop drives >directly to consumers ... Actually IBM Online does (at least specific drives for specific Thinkpads as upgrades). ----- PRM ----- From cph Tue Aug 29 01:48:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA17078 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:48:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04728; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:44:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04443; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04429; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.teleport.com (192.108.254.31 -> mail3.teleport.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:44:27 -0400 Received: (qmail 29354 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2000 05:41:16 -0000 Received: from i48-03-46.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO teleport.com) (216.26.2.174) by mail3.teleport.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2000 05:41:16 -0000 Message-ID: <39AB4D57.C9F4E843@teleport.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:42:47 -0700 From: Bryan Daum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon Malis CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, DorothyM.Pollock@att.net Subject: Re: Error 630 message References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000828151544.00b0b7f0@pop.ne.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jon, Did you try the IBM tech folk? The two I've spoken with so far reacted as though they hadn't heard of the problem before... I'm running the preload W98 which seems fine otherwise...the modem never drops off by itself. Bryan. Jon Malis wrote: > At 10:51 AM 8/28/2000 -0700, Bryan Daum wrote: > >I have been plagued with the "Error 630" modem not responding or > >something similar after my 600e goes into suspend. > > > >The only fix is to reboot (ugh.). After rebooting the first dial up > >attempt results in no dial tone but when I cancel and try to reconnect > >all works fine. > > > >Is anyone else finding this problem? > > I've been getting the same problem for as long as I've had my 600e -- It's > quite annoying, although I've come to live with it. If anyone knows of a > fix, please let me know, as I do a lot of suspending + dialing out, which > don't seem to mix with the 600e. > > As for the No dial tone, I just tell my laptop to ignore searching for a > dialtone, but that's also because I do traveling in countries which have > non-US dial tones. > > --jon > ---------- > Jon Malis > jmalis@mail.com > Principal Network Consultant, Computing Consultant > Mal-Tech Consulting From cph Tue Aug 29 02:02:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA17113 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:02:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06300; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:57:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05790; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thomson.uni2.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05777; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thomson.uni2.net (195.82.195.104 -> thomson.uni2.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:57:41 -0400 Received: from hertz.uni2.dk (hertz.uni2.dk [129.142.7.6]) by thomson.uni2.net (8.10.0/8.9.1) with ESMTP id e7T5vcP15457 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:57:38 +0200 Received: (from hdahl@localhost) by hertz.uni2.dk (8.10.0.Beta12/8.9.1) id e7T5vcx17881; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:57:38 +0200 (METDST) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:57:36 +0200 (METDST) From: Henrik Dahl To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: subscribe From cph Tue Aug 29 02:02:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA17117 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:02:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06337; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:58:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05871; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davisson.uni2.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05834; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davisson.uni2.net (129.142.7.104 -> davisson.uni2.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:58:01 -0400 Received: from hertz.uni2.dk (hertz.uni2.dk [129.142.7.6] (may be forged)) by davisson.uni2.net (8.10.0/8.9.1) with ESMTP id e7T5vxb08314 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:57:59 +0200 Received: (from hdahl@localhost) by hertz.uni2.dk (8.10.0.Beta12/8.9.1) id e7T5vxW17994; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:57:59 +0200 (METDST) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:57:58 +0200 (METDST) From: Henrik Dahl Subject: subscribe To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: From cph Tue Aug 29 03:02:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA17275 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:02:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10014; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:58:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09584; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09571; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:58:53 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p29.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.122]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA50272; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008290658.XAA50272@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Brad Burean" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:01:03 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 755cx HD List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:59:13 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >Will it work in a 760el? > Connector, yes. Caddy with connector, I don't believe so, from the last time I tried it. If you take the drive out of the caddy, and just attach it bare with the cable, it should work okay. I did this for a while with my 760ED when it was still working. Paul From cph Tue Aug 29 03:03:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA17282 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:03:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10433; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:00:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09732; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09714; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:00:19 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p29.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.122]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA50328; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008290659.XAA50328@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "mdash@plexsys.com" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:02:02 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: archive List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:28:48 -0400, Michael D. Scheer wrote: >Would someone please point me to the list archive? Thanks. Sorry to >ask what is probably a FAQ. Whenever I get my SPARC on the internet, and learn about databases, I have nearly 3 YEARS of ThinkPad List archives to put online, if that helps. From cph Tue Aug 29 03:03:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA17286 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:03:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10575; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:00:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09972; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09945; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:00:37 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p29.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.122]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA50387; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008290700.AAA50387@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "penzance@gate.net" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:02:49 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cheap TV Tuners for ThinkPads? List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:39:09 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >i've got a nogatect.. >a year or so old.. >its been run on a 560E (frame skipping), 600 (less frame skipping), 600E (even less >frame skipping), and currently my 770Z.. only an occasional skipped frame).. >it does the job, in a small window.. >i run the display at vga and the window is about 1/4 the area.. Forgot to also mention that it NEEDS to work in a 486 based ThinkPad From cph Tue Aug 29 06:48:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA18130 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:48:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28471; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:43:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28092; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28079; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:43:23 -0400 Received: from p3-800 (client-151-204-210-44.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.44]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA10045 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000829064907.0163cbf0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:49:07 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Used 18G disks for sale? In-Reply-To: <20000829034331.6631.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Here is your original text: >Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:32:12 -0700 (PDT) >From: "Steve C." >Subject: Re: Hard drive keeps recalibrating >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >List-Unsubscribe: >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id SAA05350 > >No, not gray market. I simply bought it from someone >who upgraded his laptop to a larger size. I don't see >how that makes it completely worthless, however! >I tried calling ACER and it's not possible to even get >through to them. The voice messaging asks for a >customer number then hangs up! Their website seems to >indicate that they don't have any warranty either >unless the extended warranty is purchased. >I'd never buy anything else from IBM or ACER either, >now! The sudden "switch" from an Acer to an IBM for the sake of your argument aside, if that's the case, contact the original equipment owner and ask him to remount the drive, send in the Thinkpad and have it repaired that way. If not, the original message from James stands and you are now the owner of a grey market item still (albeit broken ). I am sure you would be taken aback if IBM started insulting you because you stepped outside their normal delivery chain to save a few bucks. If you had purchased directly >from them or from an authorized reseller, you wouldn't be in here ranting and raving right now. Don't get mad when you get bitten. As for your attitude... Whereas James's advice is fact based upon pre-existing IBM warranty procedures that were in place before, during and after the HD purchase, your advice is subjective, hostile opinion because you are mad at having not understood the facts or IBMs warranty structure before purchasing the item. Anger can blind people and cause a logical, objective procedure to degenrate into a subjective miasma of uselessness. Mark At 08:43 PM 08/28/2000 -0700, Steve C. wrote: >Why don't you stop wasting bandwidth by repeating this >crap! Everyone but a couple of troublemakers know >it's nonsense. >Besides, I just found out that the drive is out of a >NEW TP-i1460 that was just purchased in January. It >should be covered under the (hidden) 3 year warranty >or at least the 1 year TP warranty. Those bastards at >IBM LIED to me when they said it has no warranty! >Let's see you defend that, smartass! > >--- Mark Bell wrote: >> At 08:02 PM 08/28/2000 -0700, Steve C. wrote: >> >And make sure it has a WARRANTY from the seller >> since >> >they don't last long and IBM won't honor theirs! >> >> I know you must have read the following reply from >> James, but in case you missed it (or still have >> hostility over misunderstanding grey market >> items vs. direct sale items), here you go: >> >> >> -------------------- BEGIN MESSAGE > > >===== >Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue Aug 29 06:51:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA18140 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:51:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28813; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:48:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28639; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28625; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:48:32 -0400 Received: from 216-164-129-232.s486.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.129.232]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13TiwR-0004V6-00; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:48:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:49:13 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <13975336646.20000829064913@erols.com> To: "James H. E. Maugham" CC: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: Re[2]: TP Infared communications . . . what's the trick? In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: can you add an ir port to a desktop machine? How? Where do you buy such a beastie? Is the speed acceptable for doing 100 meg transfers on a monthly basis, i.e., backups? TAI -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Tue Aug 29 06:54:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA18144 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:54:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA29319; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:51:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA29144; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA29131; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:51:25 -0400 Received: from 216-164-129-232.s486.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.129.232]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13TizE-0004gL-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:51:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:52:07 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <4475510993.20000829065207@erols.com> To: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: mouse drivers? In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'd like to download mouse drivers for my tp600 which have the snap-to option in them. Where can I find them? The driver I have says 'ps/2 trackpoint 3-18-1998'. Thanks. -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Tue Aug 29 08:09:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA18335 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:09:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03539; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:05:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03356; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaae.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03343; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaae.compuserve.com (149.174.177.154 -> hs-img-5.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:05:55 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id IAA19394 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:05:24 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: 730 screen FRU nos anyone? Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200008290805_MC2-B162-8D95@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA18336 A contact thinks that he may have picked up some screens that are for the 730 pen Thinkpad. However, need to compare the FRUs - can anyone confirm theirs for me? The FRU he gave was incomplete and does not show up on the IBM website searches.His P/N is 84G5672 however. Thanks Mark UK From cph Tue Aug 29 11:39:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA19519 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:39:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19658; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:36:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19121; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19079; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.147.1.143 -> chmls05.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:36:25 -0400 Received: from JDM-TP600E.mediaone.net (h0040100c9388.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.170.135]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA03200; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000829112439.00b5b008@pop.ne.mediaone.net> X-Sender: amalis@pop.ne.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:28:45 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jon Malis Subject: Re: Error 630 message Cc: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000828151544.00b0b7f0@pop.ne.mediaone.net> <39AAA693.7E21298@teleport.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000828151544.00b0b7f0@pop.ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 01:13 AM 8/29/2000 -0400, DorothyM.Pollock@att.net wrote: >Also, are you using WinFax Pro by any chance. The controller on some >versions may grab the modem when it wakes up. Shutting that off fixes >it I believe. Never used it in my life, and I never intend on using it. Thanks, --jon ---------- Jon Malis jmalis@mail.com Principal Network Consultant, Computing Consultant Mal-Tech Consulting From cph Tue Aug 29 11:39:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA19515 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:39:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19660; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:36:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19144; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19098; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.147.1.143 -> chmls05.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:36:26 -0400 Received: from JDM-TP600E.mediaone.net (h0040100c9388.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.170.135]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA03218; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000829112538.00b37008@pop.ne.mediaone.net> X-Sender: amalis@pop.ne.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:28:31 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jon Malis Subject: Re: Error 630 message Cc: allied@teleport.com, DorothyM.Pollock@att.net In-Reply-To: <39AB4D57.C9F4E843@teleport.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000828151544.00b0b7f0@pop.ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 10:42 PM 8/28/2000 -0700, Bryan Daum wrote: >Jon, > >Did you try the IBM tech folk? The two I've spoken with so far reacted >as though they hadn't heard of the problem before... Nope -- I prefer to try and fix a problem myself before I call tech support -- I'll have to see how the modem is with 2k before I call IBM >I'm running the preload W98 which seems fine otherwise...the modem >never drops off by itself. Same here -- rock solid connections, it's just getting the connection that's the problem. --jon ---------- Jon Malis jmalis@mail.com Principal Network Consultant, Computing Consultant Mal-Tech Consulting From cph Tue Aug 29 11:39:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA19529 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:39:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19652; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:36:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19094; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19069; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.147.1.143 -> chmls05.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:36:24 -0400 Received: from JDM-TP600E.mediaone.net (h0040100c9388.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.170.135]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA03191; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000829112327.00afe5f8@pop.ne.mediaone.net> X-Sender: amalis@pop.ne.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:29:03 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jon Malis Subject: Re: Error 630 message Cc: DorothyM.Pollock@att.net In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000828151544.00b0b7f0@pop.ne.mediaone.net> <39AAA693.7E21298@teleport.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000828151544.00b0b7f0@pop.ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 12:59 AM 8/29/2000 -0400, DorothyM.Pollock@att.net wrote: >What OS is this and what version. There were some known issues with >Windows and hardware not waking up if I recall related to buggy power >management implementation. This was under Win 98, latest drivers/firmware. I have since upgraded to Win 2k, but I haven't had a chance to play around with thew modem yet. --jon ---------- Jon Malis jmalis@mail.com Principal Network Consultant, Computing Consultant Mal-Tech Consulting From cph Tue Aug 29 13:03:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA20183 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:03:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28194; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:58:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27926; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27909; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:58:06 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.202.231 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:57:23 -0700 Message-ID: <007301c011da$af4d5f00$e7ca1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Cc: "Denis Hall" Subject: Items needed for my 560 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:00:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Here's a list of items I need for my own 560. If you have these available please let me know with the price shipped. 1. 64 meg ram chip 2. 4-6 gig drive 3. IBM external PCMCIA CdD 4-8 X is fine, just want the black one they had a few years ago, must be mint! 4. 56K PCMCIA modem. Thanks! Brad From cph Tue Aug 29 14:33:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA20762 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:33:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09094; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:29:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08747; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08733; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:29:18 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA18188 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:29:14 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000b01c011e7$16911ba0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" References: <13975336646.20000829064913@erols.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: TP Infared communications . . . what's the trick? Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:29:37 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "can you add an ir port to a desktop machine? How?" Sure. Some motherboards already have IR headers, you only need to buy a sensor and hook it on. (Contact MB manufacturer/vendor for header source.) Alternately, there are several aftermarket manufacturers/vendors of serial port IR devices, which cost on the order of $50. The local CompUSA used to sell them, though you can do better looking around online (I think the retail for the best known - Jeteye from extended systems - is almost $75). "Where do you buy such a beastie? Is the speed acceptable for doing 100 meg transfers on a monthly basis, i.e., backups?" You will be much happier with two ethernet cards and a crossover cable. IR is great for casual data transfer (e.g., no-hassle printing from the laptop on your desktop computer), but not the right medium otherwise. Laptop ethernet cards are available for as low as $30, desktop cards around $15, crossover cable around $10-15 including connectors. This is not much more (and possibly less) than adding IR to your desktop would cost. - David R. TAI -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Tue Aug 29 15:43:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA21286 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:43:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16307; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:41:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16074; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16055; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.teleport.com (192.108.254.43 -> mail2.teleport.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:41:06 -0400 Received: (qmail 12315 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2000 19:41:02 -0000 Received: from i48-36-08.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO teleport.com) (216.26.61.136) by mail2.teleport.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2000 19:41:02 -0000 Message-ID: <39AC116A.4E50479B@teleport.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:39:23 -0700 From: Bryan Daum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon Malis CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, DorothyM.Pollock@att.net Subject: Re: Error 630 message References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000828151544.00b0b7f0@pop.ne.mediaone.net> <39AAA693.7E21298@teleport.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000828151544.00b0b7f0@pop.ne.mediaone.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20000829112439.00b5b008@pop.ne.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Same here Dorthy....except that I may consider using it sometime...! Bryan Jon Malis wrote: > At 01:13 AM 8/29/2000 -0400, DorothyM.Pollock@att.net wrote: > >Also, are you using WinFax Pro by any chance. The controller on some > >versions may grab the modem when it wakes up. Shutting that off fixes > >it I believe. > > Never used it in my life, and I never intend on using it. > > Thanks, > --jon > ---------- > Jon Malis > jmalis@mail.com > Principal Network Consultant, Computing Consultant > Mal-Tech Consulting From cph Tue Aug 29 16:47:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA21742 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:47:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22027; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:43:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21655; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21642; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:43:18 -0400 Received: from user-37ka28q.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37ka28q.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.9.26]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA05808 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008292043.QAA05808@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <000b01c011e7$16911ba0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP760XL odd Screen action List-Unsubscribe: I noticed my 760XL give a few images of a giant bar code in flashes the other day as I moved the screen back a bit for clarity. Today, the unit decided to display only the far left 1/5 or so of the screen. (That's a vertical slice of about 1/5 of the whole screen.) I tried Norton. I tried to get into startup. But wherever I went, I could only see the left edge of the window. Finally I decided to move the screen a bit, and voila, the entire screen lit up fine. What could be causing this? I don't think the unit is in warrenty, so hopefully any repair is not exhorbitant. Allan Ballard 760XL p166 104Mb 6.4 gig OSR2.1 760CD P120 64 Mb 3.0 gig OSR 2.1 From cph Tue Aug 29 16:51:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA21777 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:51:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22538; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:47:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22291; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.mailstart.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22278; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:47:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.mailstart.com (207.231.76.67 -> mail.mailstart.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:47:24 -0400 Received: from silver [207.231.76.50] by mail.mailstart.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A15B11650088; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:47:23 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: Subject: ThinkPad Assistant Online is being updated Message-Id: <290800242.49643@207.168.12.76> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:47:25 -0700 List-Unsubscribe: Just thought I'd let everyone know, whether you go to my site or not, that I've been updating information on my ThinkPad Assistant project at http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/thinkpad/index.html I added the 730TE to the list, updated information on the 701, 755, and others, and hopefully will add some newer machines, like the 600, 770, etc. If anyone could help with the newer machines, send me an email and let me know. I'm hoping that after I get everything changed, it'll be a good reference and helpful to all. Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! From cph Tue Aug 29 17:31:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA22138 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:31:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26596; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:28:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26319; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26304; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:28:35 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA18987; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:28:20 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <005601c01200$1bf1b820$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Allan Ballard" , "David Reid" , "ThinkPad-L" References: <200008292054.QAA09099@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: TP Infared communications . . . what's the trick? Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:28:43 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: W95 will only do "dial-up networking" and "dial-up serving" through a modem. Thus, one has to convince the OS that the port you want to use is actually a modem. This doesn't seem to involve a performance hit, and consists of a short .inf file. One can do DCC or TranXit or Laplink directly through the IR port, and in some ways the latter might even work better, but then one doesn't get the benefits (ease of use, ability to mount remote resources as local, etc) of a true network-style connection. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Ballard" To: "David Reid" ; "David Ross" ; "ThinkPad-L" Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 11:02 AM Subject: Re: TP Infared communications . . . what's the trick? What is the advantage of virtual drivers? I have used them many years on my OS/2 desktop, but only to save IRQ's and also login to my ISP and elsewhere simultaneously. For a straight IR transfer, would not any free IRQ and a port driver work? On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:49:44 -1000, David Ross wrote: >I can't help with the no-see-port problem, but IMHO the best way to use >IR is windows networking. >I haven't tried this in W98, but in W95 one can find 'virtual' modem >drivers which work on any >com port, including the IR port. You can then set up a Windows network >connection (whatever protocol you like) across this 'modem' by using the >windows Dial-Up Server on one machine, and Dial-Up Networking on the >other. > >I used to do this every day at the office (between my ThinkPad and a >Micron which was on the >office network). Once you get it set up, it is very nice. > >- David R. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Reid" >To: "ThinkPad-L" >Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 5:57 AM >Subject: TP Infared communications . . . what's the trick? > > >Here's the setup: > >Thinkpad 770z IR is enabled and searching > >Thinkpad 760ELD IR front is enabled and searching > >Both runnning Win98se > >Both units report "No IR devices found within range. Range is 12 inches >with clear port view of each other. > >Also, Windows help file states Direct Cable Connection can be used for >IR >communication but neither unit shows the IR as an available port. > >What's the trick to get IR working and what software should be used (I >have >Laplink, pcAnywhere, Traxit and of course DCC). > >Thanks list, > >Dave > > > From cph Tue Aug 29 19:58:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA23308 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:58:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07968; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:55:36 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07501; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:55:35 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id TAA19110 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23155; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:54:12 -0400 Received: from user-37ka28q.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37ka28q.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.9.26]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA09099; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008292054.QAA09099@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "David Reid" , "David Ross" , "ThinkPad-L" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <001701c01120$bb8a42c0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP Infared communications . . . what's the trick? List-Unsubscribe: What is the advantage of virtual drivers? I have used them many years on my OS/2 desktop, but only to save IRQ's and also login to my ISP and elsewhere simultaneously. For a straight IR transfer, would not any free IRQ and a port driver work? On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:49:44 -1000, David Ross wrote: >I can't help with the no-see-port problem, but IMHO the best way to use >IR is windows networking. >I haven't tried this in W98, but in W95 one can find 'virtual' modem >drivers which work on any >com port, including the IR port. You can then set up a Windows network >connection (whatever protocol you like) across this 'modem' by using the >windows Dial-Up Server on one machine, and Dial-Up Networking on the >other. > >I used to do this every day at the office (between my ThinkPad and a >Micron which was on the >office network). Once you get it set up, it is very nice. > >- David R. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Reid" >To: "ThinkPad-L" >Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 5:57 AM >Subject: TP Infared communications . . . what's the trick? > > >Here's the setup: > >Thinkpad 770z IR is enabled and searching > >Thinkpad 760ELD IR front is enabled and searching > >Both runnning Win98se > >Both units report "No IR devices found within range. Range is 12 inches >with clear port view of each other. > >Also, Windows help file states Direct Cable Connection can be used for >IR >communication but neither unit shows the IR as an available port. > >What's the trick to get IR working and what software should be used (I >have >Laplink, pcAnywhere, Traxit and of course DCC). > >Thanks list, > >Dave > > > From cph Tue Aug 29 19:58:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA23312 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:58:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07972; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:56:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07593; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07579; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:56:11 -0400 Received: from mattwinston ([64.108.197.85]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20000829235608.IOMB10246.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@mattwinston> for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:56:08 -0500 Message-ID: <00ca01c01214$81e3a6c0$0201a8c0@ameritech.net> From: "Matt Winston" To: Subject: 730T and Ethernet-Modem Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:54:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C011EA.98B9B260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C011EA.98B9B260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's still a bunch of us 730 T & TE tinkerers around. Thanks for = letting me use the forum to share this information. The Xircom CEM56/100BTX Ethernet/Modem combo pcmcia card works great for = both WFPC and W95 operating systems. It's a 56k modem with 10/100 lan = operation. Evidently, part of the success is that it's a 16 bit card = with real mode drivers on the install cd-rom. The drivers are easily = transferred to floppy disk for Windows 3.11 installation if you don't = have a portable cd rom for the thinkpad. I've had some luck with other = single use cards, but only after lots of tinkering. This puppy installed = for each operating system on the first try. Finally; I added TCP/IP for = Windows 3.11 allowing me to connect the 730TE to the Linksys router I = have for my home network. The 730T and TE have four pcmcia slots; though = after using two for the type III hard drive, and the third for a d-ram = memory card there is only one pcmcia slot available for connecting to = the outside world. The cards are not too expensive either. I've paid = between $35 and $50 for them new in the box on ebay. The card acts = nicely with fax software, as well as a phone dialer. Hope this will help. Matt Winston ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C011EA.98B9B260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's still a bunch of us 730 T & TE = tinkerers=20 around. Thanks for letting me use the forum to share this=20 information.
 
The Xircom CEM56/100BTX Ethernet/Modem combo = pcmcia card=20 works great for both WFPC and W95 operating systems. It's a 56k modem = with=20 10/100 lan operation. Evidently, part of the = success is=20 that it's a 16 bit card with real mode drivers on the install cd-rom. = The=20 drivers are easily transferred to floppy disk for Windows 3.11 = installation if=20 you don't have a portable cd rom for the thinkpad. I've had some luck = with other=20 single use cards, but only after lots of tinkering. This puppy installed = for=20 each operating system on the first try. Finally; I added TCP/IP for = Windows 3.11=20 allowing me to connect the 730TE to the Linksys router I = have for my=20 home network. The 730T and TE have four pcmcia slots; though after using = two for=20 the type III hard drive, and the third for a d-ram memory = card there is=20 only one pcmcia slot available for connecting to the outside world. The = cards=20 are not too expensive either. I've paid between $35 and $50 for them new = in the=20 box on ebay. The card acts nicely with fax software, as well as a phone=20 dialer.
 
Hope this will help.
 
Matt Winston
------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C011EA.98B9B260-- From cph Tue Aug 29 20:34:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA23485 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:34:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10707; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:31:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10505; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10492; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.32 -> smtp2.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:31:34 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (204.32.83.230) by smtp2.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 00:31:32 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <39AB4DC5.45B5006F@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:44:37 -0700 From: "francis_patrick_west@yahoo.com" Reply-To: francis_patrick_west@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Beals CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: serial infrared adaptor for pcmcia computers pn 08h3656 References: <200008281752.e7SHq7F03360@cinnamon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You need the IRDA drivers from M$ Info at Andy Beals wrote: > > It comes with win3.1 drivers, but w95 doesn't recognize it. Any > hope of getting this working on my tp730te/w95 machine or is it a > lost cause? > > thx > andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Tue Aug 29 22:31:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA24118 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:31:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16986; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:28:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16784; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16771; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (149.174.206.155 -> ds-img-rel-2.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:28:29 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id WAA18184 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@wwwebbers.com Received: from andrew (sfr-tgn-sfo-vty63.as.wcom.net [216.192.34.63]) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with SMTP id WAA18163 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008300228.WAA18163@spdmraab.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:27:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <200008290700.AAA50387@stevie.loop.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cheap TV Tuners for ThinkPads? List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:02:49 -0700, Paul Khoury wrote: >On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:39:09 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >>i've got a nogatect.. >>a year or so old.. >>its been run on a 560E (frame skipping), 600 (less frame skipping), 600E (even less >>frame skipping), and currently my 770Z.. only an occasional skipped frame).. >>it does the job, in a small window.. >>i run the display at vga and the window is about 1/4 the area.. > >Forgot to also mention that it NEEDS to work in a 486 based ThinkPad And I believe the USB version requires at least Win98 (or it thinks it does anyway, which is effectively the same thing). andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: www.cnn.com/WEATHER/sw/CA/SanFranciscoSFO.html From cph Wed Aug 30 01:28:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA25026 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:28:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25324; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:21:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24630; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24617; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:21:53 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p32.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.47]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA48383; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008300521.WAA48383@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Matt Winston" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:23:59 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: 730T and Ethernet-Modem List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id BAA25027 I've heard a lot of people have had good luck with Xircom. I opted for a Megahertz X-Jack ethernet card (I have my Type II 220MB FLASH drive above it), but it did need tinkering, as it doesn't seem to want to let you choose it's IRQ. How sturdy are the dongles for the Xircom? I've previously gone through MANY cables from both 3COM and a generic brand. Also, just for everyone else to know, I added information on the 730TE (as that's what I have) on my ThinkPad Asst site - http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/thinkpad/index.html Paul --Original Message Text--- From: Matt Winston Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:54:44 -0500 There's still a bunch of us 730 T & TE tinkerers around. Thanks for letting me use the forum to share this information. ÿ The Xircom CEM56/100BTX Ethernet/Modem combo pcmcia card works great for both WFPC and W95 operating systems. It's a 56k modem with 10/100 lan operation. Evidently, part of the success is that it's a 16 bit card with real mode drivers on the install cd-rom. The drivers are easily transferred to floppy disk for Windows 3.11 installation if you don't have a portable cd rom for the thinkpad. I've had some luck with other single use cards, but only after lots of tinkering. This puppy installed for each operating system on the first try. Finally; I added TCP/IP for Windows 3.11 allowing me to connect the 730TE to the Linksysÿrouter I haveÿfor my home network. The 730T and TE have four pcmcia slots; though after using two for the type III hard drive, and the third for a d-ram memory cardÿthere is only one pcmcia slot available for connecting to the outside world. The cards are not too expensive either. I've paid between $35 and $50 for them new in the box on ebay. The card acts nicely with fax software, as well as a phone dialer. ÿ Hope this will help. ÿ Matt Winston From cph Wed Aug 30 01:28:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA25030 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:28:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25319; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:24:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24829; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24782; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:24:50 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p32.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.47]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA48634; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008300524.WAA48634@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Andrew Webber" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:26:59 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cheap TV Tuners for ThinkPads? List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:27:44 -0700, Andrew Webber wrote: >On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:02:49 -0700, Paul Khoury wrote: > >>On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:39:09 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >> >>>i've got a nogatect.. >>>a year or so old.. >>>its been run on a 560E (frame skipping), 600 (less frame skipping), 600E (even less >>>frame skipping), and currently my 770Z.. only an occasional skipped frame).. >>>it does the job, in a small window.. >>>i run the display at vga and the window is about 1/4 the area.. >> >>Forgot to also mention that it NEEDS to work in a 486 based ThinkPad > >And I believe the USB version requires at least Win98 (or it thinks >it does anyway, which is effectively the same thing). > I would think so for USB, or maybe Windows 95 C at the minimum (that's what I have on this machine, but still a 486). I know there was an option that replaced the seldomly-used floppy drive on the 750C and 755C, which I would like. Reason being is my ONLY TV now is a WinTV card in my multimedia desktop, and it would be nice to have something portable. Paul From cph Wed Aug 30 02:00:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA25196 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 02:00:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26555; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:53:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26381; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26289; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:49:54 -0400 Received: from mattwinston ([64.108.197.85]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20000830054952.JPJA10246.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@mattwinston>; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:49:52 -0500 Message-ID: <00f201c01245$40962900$0201a8c0@ameritech.net> From: "Matt Winston" To: , "Paul Khoury" References: <200008300521.WAA48383@stevie.loop.com> Subject: Re: 730T and Ethernet-Modem Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:43:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id BAA26555 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA25197 Hi Paul, Actually they are pretty sturdy. The standard kit comes with 2- 6" or so dongles with bright led's on the modem and ethernet jacks. Both show link and activity status. You could buy the minidock that Xircom sells, but with space so tight under the pcmcia slot cover, you are better off with the dongles. One slot taken and you're all done. I've been using 520mb type III drives so I needed a one slot solution. I've used this type card in my 560 also. Regards, Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" ; "Matt Winston" Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 12:23 AM Subject: Re: 730T and Ethernet-Modem I've heard a lot of people have had good luck with Xircom. I opted for a Megahertz X-Jack ethernet card (I have my Type II 220MB FLASH drive above it), but it did need tinkering, as it doesn't seem to want to let you choose it's IRQ. How sturdy are the dongles for the Xircom? I've previously gone through MANY cables from both 3COM and a generic brand. Also, just for everyone else to know, I added information on the 730TE (as that's what I have) on my ThinkPad Asst site - http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/thinkpad/index.html Paul --Original Message Text--- From: Matt Winston Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:54:44 -0500 There's still a bunch of us 730 T & TE tinkerers around. Thanks for letting me use the forum to share this information. ÿ The Xircom CEM56/100BTX Ethernet/Modem combo pcmcia card works great for both WFPC and W95 operating systems. It's a 56k modem with 10/100 lan operation. Evidently, part of the success is that it's a 16 bit card with real mode drivers on the install cd-rom. The drivers are easily transferred to floppy disk for Windows 3.11 installation if you don't have a portable cd rom for the thinkpad. I've had some luck with other single use cards, but only after lots of tinkering. This puppy installed for each operating system on the first try. Finally; I added TCP/IP for Windows 3.11 allowing me to connect the 730TE to the Linksysÿrouter I haveÿfor my home network. The 730T and TE have four pcmcia slots; though after using two for the type III hard drive, and the third for a d-ram memory cardÿthere is only one pcmcia slot available for connecting to the outside world. The cards are not too expensive either. I've paid between $35 and $50 for them new in the box on ebay. The card acts nicely with fax software, as well as a phone dialer. ÿ Hope this will help. ÿ Matt Winston From cph Wed Aug 30 02:01:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA25207 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 02:01:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26785; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:54:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26447; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26434; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:54:30 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA20697; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:54:16 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002701c01246$cb3c20e0$7f62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" , "Andrew Webber" References: <200008300524.WAA48634@stevie.loop.com> Subject: Re: Cheap TV Tuners for ThinkPads? Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:54:38 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "I know there was an option that replaced the seldomly-used floppy drive on the 750C and 755C, which I would like. Reason being is my ONLY TV now is a WinTV card in my multimedia desktop, and it would be nice to have something portable." If you are considering a PC-card tuner, don't get your hopes up. Video is *very* processor-intensive; the card in your desktop, and the bay option for the 75x ThinkPads, do a lot of the processing on the card then sends the image across the PCI bus to your video card without much processor intervention. That's why their performance is acceptable. The pcmcia interface is not really fast enough to keep up with this, and I think you are bound to lose many frames. - David R. From cph Wed Aug 30 02:24:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA25282 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 02:24:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28295; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 02:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 02:18:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28156; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 02:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28143; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 02:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 02:18:17 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.44]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000830061814.GRKV13787.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:18:14 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01c01249$af4ac780$2c0e4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Re: Cheap TV Tuners for ThinkPads? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:15:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. Some desktop displays can do analog CGA, a close copy of NTSC. I use a NEC multisync with a kludged rabbit double play pix n pix box, this allows the display to act as both a television and be used with a IBM 701C. I can do both NTSC and PAL, just the video decoder is changed. There is also the miracle monitorTV, that thing is, as you might guess by the name, is a TV and minitor rolled up in one, far better than most computers at being a TV. I have found that, for the most part, computers make poor TVs, and TVs ' WebTV ' make only so-so computers. From cph Wed Aug 30 03:40:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA25646 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:40:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02947; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:37:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02817; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02804; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:37:35 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13U2RC-0001uv-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:37:34 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.38] (helo=isdn30-38.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13U2RB-0003cC-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:37:33 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Re[2]: TP Infared communications . . . what's the trick? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 02:36:19 -0500 Message-ID: <89epqs86nt6m3p57s7gd3g197qo74jbpda@4ax.com> References: <13975336646.20000829064913@erols.com> <000b01c011e7$16911ba0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <000b01c011e7$16911ba0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA25647 On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:29:37 -1000, "David Ross" wrote: >IR is great >for casual data transfer (e.g., no-hassle printing from the laptop on >your desktop computer), >but not the right medium otherwise. FWIW, I agree. I have also found IrDA transfers great to sync PDA's rather than fool with carrying the cables and cradles about. -jts From cph Wed Aug 30 03:47:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA25685 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:47:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03599; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:44:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03377; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03357; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (129.250.36.43 -> dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:44:43 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13U2Y6-0001qf-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:44:42 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.38] (helo=isdn30-38.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13U2Y5-0001tU-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:44:41 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 730T and Ethernet-Modem Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 02:43:27 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200008300521.WAA48383@stevie.loop.com> In-Reply-To: <200008300521.WAA48383@stevie.loop.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA25686 On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:23:59 -0700, "Paul Khoury" wrote: >How sturdy are the dongles for the Xircom? Very sturdy. I've replaced the RJ11 jack myself about three times in three years. Otherwise they are cool and small. I saw them at Fry's recently for about $20 if'n you need a spare. I like this better than the X-jack myself. Of course YMMV. -jts From cph Wed Aug 30 05:14:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA25990 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 05:14:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09836; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 05:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 05:05:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09659; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 05:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09645; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 05:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (129.250.36.43 -> dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 05:05:51 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13U3oc-0004zi-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:05:50 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.38] (helo=isdn30-38.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13U3oc-0005Z8-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:05:50 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 730T and Ethernet-Modem Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 04:04:35 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200008300521.WAA48383@stevie.loop.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA25991 On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 02:43:27 -0500, John Small wrote: > I saw them at Fry's recently for >about $20 if'n you need a spare. Ah, sorry for the confusion ... mine is the MegaHertz pcmcia card. -jts From cph Wed Aug 30 11:34:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA28183 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:34:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07736; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:31:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07480; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07459; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (38.8.22.2 -> relay21.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:31:13 -0400 Received: from ntmail.doble.com ([204.215.186.11]) by relay21.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13U9pD-0002P9-00; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:31:02 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:29:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Paul Khoury'" , ThinkPad List , Andrew Webber Subject: RE: Cheap TV Tuners for ThinkPads? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:29:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- From: Paul Khoury [mailto:pkhoury@loop.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 12:27 AM To: ThinkPad List; Andrew Webber Subject: Re: Cheap TV Tuners for ThinkPads? On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:27:44 -0700, Andrew Webber wrote: >On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:02:49 -0700, Paul Khoury wrote: > >>On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:39:09 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >> >>>i've got a nogatect.. >>>a year or so old.. >>>its been run on a 560E (frame skipping), 600 (less frame skipping), 600E (even less >>>frame skipping), and currently my 770Z.. only an occasional skipped frame).. >>>it does the job, in a small window.. >>>i run the display at vga and the window is about 1/4 the area.. >> >>Forgot to also mention that it NEEDS to work in a 486 based ThinkPad > >And I believe the USB version requires at least Win98 (or it thinks >it does anyway, which is effectively the same thing). > I would think so for USB, or maybe Windows 95 C at the minimum (that's what I have on this machine, but still a 486). Hello, I hear the USB version of the video tuner does not work as well as the other versions due to the bandwidth limitations of USB. I heard they are updating the USB standard to have more bandwidth. For a laptop a Cardbus solution seems to be the best. 73 Eric eac@shore.net WB1HBU From cph Wed Aug 30 12:59:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA28951 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:59:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15634; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:54:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15413; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15375; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.28 -> cpimssmtpu07.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:53:49 -0400 Received: from lorie - 63.28.231.154 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:53:05 -0700 Message-ID: <002601c012a2$292582e0$1396f2cc@lorie> From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "TP List" Subject: Re: Cheap TV Tuners for ThinkPads? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:46:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: Aaron W. Brown To: David Ross Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Cheap TV Tuners for ThinkPads? > The IBM TV-tuner for the 750/755 drives the TFT screen and laptop > speakers directly. You don't even need to boot an OS. A front panel > toggle allows you to switch between TV and computer. > The tuner is not cable ready though. > > > > If you are considering a PC-card tuner, don't get your hopes up. Video > > is *very* > > processor-intensive; the card in your desktop, > > and the bay option for the 75x ThinkPads, do a lot of the processing on > > the card > > then sends the image across the PCI bus to your video card without much > > processor intervention. > > That's why their performance is > > acceptable. The pcmcia interface is not really fast enough to keep up > > with this, and I think > > you are bound to lose many frames. > > > > - David R. > > > From cph Wed Aug 30 13:49:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA29396 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:49:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20240; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:45:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20038; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20013; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (144.92.108.61 -> ssec.wisc.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:45:43 -0400 Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (bru.ssec.wisc.edu [144.92.118.67]) by ssec.wisc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20242 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:48:11 -0500 Message-ID: <39AD4817.8822362C@ssec.wisc.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:44:55 -0500 From: Paul Schnettler Reply-To: paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu Organization: UW-Space Science and Engineering Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: TP 755cx prob. w/PS2.exe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: While trying to load the Utilities on my TP755cx I get an error. Specific to trying to load/install PS2.exe. Thinkpad returns an error statement to the effect that PS2 can't run on my platform. I've got the PCMCIA and SCSI drivers loaded as well as win3.1 No Wave/sound support loaded. No VESA drivers loaded other than win3.1 stuff. I have the BIOS flashed/upgraded with a different HD installed but doubt that is effecting it's balking on PS2. Anyone have an idea what I'm missing? thanks, Paul S. From cph Wed Aug 30 14:55:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA30049 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:55:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26915; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:49:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25324; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25295; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (209.185.131.33 -> law-oe34.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:49:39 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:49:38 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.192.56.18] From: "Derek F. Payne" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Audio problems on 770 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:50:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2000 18:49:38.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C840B00:01C012B3] List-Unsubscribe: The audio on my 770 has started stuttering. It first happened when I was trying to play a Quicktime movie, I haven't been able to get it to work right since. I have tried reinstalling the drivers, with no luck. Any help would be appreciated. Derek Payne From cph Wed Aug 30 15:42:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA30544 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:42:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03281; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:38:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03076; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03053; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:38:48 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.251.207 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:37:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c012ba$48933d80$cffb163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Help! Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:41:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: How do you get the keyboard up on a 760el?? Thanks PS thought it worked like my 755cx.... From cph Wed Aug 30 16:05:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA30795 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:05:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05766; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:01:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05469; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05426; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:01:34 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.251.207 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:00:44 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c012bd$771a38e0$cffb163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "See-Kit Lam" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <000701c012ba$48933d80$cffb163f@oemcomputer> <004301c012bd$2c0ef2f0$9e0d1282@tp600e> Subject: Re: Help! Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:04:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Got it thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: See-Kit Lam To: Brad Burean Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 3:02 PM Subject: Re: Help! > hi..... i assume that 760el works the same way a 760xd or 765d does. > > the way to lift the keyboard is by pushing the 2 switches (the same > switches u pull to open up the screen) and then lift the keyboard...... > make sure ur screen is 180 degree flat. > > hope this helps. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brad Burean" > To: "Thinkpad Users" > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 2:41 PM > Subject: Help! > > > > How do you get the keyboard up on a 760el?? > > > > Thanks > > > > PS thought it worked like my 755cx.... > > > From cph Wed Aug 30 16:35:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31094 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:35:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08632; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:32:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08311; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08297; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:32:57 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13UEXX-0006XI-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:32:55 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.38] (helo=isdn30-38.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13UEXW-0003Ne-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:32:55 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: [TP560] Win98 memory overhead Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:31:53 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA31095 After plunking in a 64mb board (replaced 32mb) for a total of 72mb I'm now seeing this 82% utilized with only three apps open (Agent and IE5 ... and Norton's System Info). So I do a little digging and discover the Thinkpad configuration (which is not open) is hogging 11.6mb. I could list the rest but it only makes me feel ill. Guess I've been living in a cave, but what's with the memory bloat? BTW, going from 40mb to 72mb really does make a noticeable difference running IE5. The favorites menus are one again navigatible where before they were so slow in coming up (15-20 seconds sometimes) it was disguisting. Thanks. -jts From cph Wed Aug 30 16:36:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31104 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:36:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08607; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:32:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08253; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08240; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:32:40 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13UEXG-0006Vy-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:32:38 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.38] (helo=isdn30-38.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13UEXG-0000vX-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:32:38 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: [TP560] Win98 memory head Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:31:36 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA31105 After plunking in a 64mb board (replaced 32mb) for a total of 72mb I'm now seeing this 82% utilized with only three apps open (Agent and IE5 ... and Norton's System Info). So I do a little digging and discover the Thinkpad configuration (which is not open) is hogging 11.6mb. I could list the rest but it only makes me feel ill. Guess I've been living in a cave, but what's with the memory bloat? BTW, going from 40mb to 72mb really does make a noticeable difference running IE5. The favorites menus are one again navigatible where before they were so slow in coming up (15-20 seconds sometimes) it was disguisting. Thanks. -jts From cph Wed Aug 30 16:50:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31237 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:50:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10413; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:47:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10072; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3701.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10057; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3701.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.130 -> web3701.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:47:18 -0400 Message-ID: <20000830204717.5214.qmail@web3701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.70.252.120] by web3701.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:47:17 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:47:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave W. Beauvais" Subject: Re: [TP560] Win98 memory head To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: > Guess I've been living in a cave, but what's with the memory bloat? John, I use a small utility called Cacheman. It's a non-resident program that adds some lines to the [vcache] section of your System.ini file. These changes allow Windows to make more efficient use of its disk cache, leaving you with far more free physical RAM. There are presets for Windows 95 and 98. The "Standard System" preset is probably sufficient. Cacheman can be downloaded from http://www.outertech.com/ When you run Cacheman, it shows you a bar graph displaying your free physical RAM and the amount of your swap file that's used. After you select the preset you want to try, choose "Save and Exit" from the file menu and reboot your system. Next time you run Cacheman, take a look at the bar graphs; in almost all cases, you'll have significantly more free physical RAM and a much smaller swap file. You can also try reducing the number of apps that load at startup. If you think about it, are there any programs which load automatically that you don't actually use? Or some that are used so infrequently that you could remove them from the startup group and simply run them only when needed? Hope that gives you a starting point. Dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Wed Aug 30 16:57:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31297 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:57:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11388; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:54:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11102; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11081; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (129.250.36.44 -> dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:54:44 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13UEsc-0003T6-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:54:42 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.38] (helo=isdn30-38.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13UEsb-0002My-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:54:41 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: [TP560] Win98 memory head Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:53:39 -0500 Message-ID: <00tqqs4u8eakti3u5r9csbt4261jq1ilot@4ax.com> References: <20000830204717.5214.qmail@web3701.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000830204717.5214.qmail@web3701.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA31298 On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:47:17 -0700 (PDT), "Dave W. Beauvais" wrote: >You can also try reducing the number of apps that load at startup. I done this with the obvious ones. Win98 sure attempted to load the kitchen sink! Fine for 258mb ram. But not for 72mb. I remember when 64mb seemed like all one would ever need. Thanks for the tips. -jts From cph Wed Aug 30 17:27:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31555 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:27:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14406; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:25:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14144; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14105; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:24:49 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JTL5WN5UCG8WVZOW@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:28:04 CST Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:28:03 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: 15" tft lcd destop monitor $299 at office max To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Just about getting my DAvinci PDA now this thing came up !! go to your local Office max and check out this monitor sku# 14-249690; model: PT 500 RetaIL: $799; dISCONTINUED as Office max would only sell GAteway from now on. The package might still list as $799 but just ask the cashier to double check. You might wanna call your local office max to check for stock but beware: me: hello can you help me check on this item please sku:14249690 OM (officE MAX): SURE HOLD ON. yES WE HAVE 1 LAST ONE IN STOCK FOR $799 me: It thought they were on discount for $299 OM: let me check on that. (5 mins later) OM: YEAH thats a good deal its on sale right now for $299 ! me: GREAT can you hold that monitor for me please i be over there in 20 m minutes. OM: errr .... wait there is a mistake seems like we dont have that in our inventory !! Me: What ? you just told me 5 sexs ago you have 1 unit left ! OM: sorry sir, that was a mistake we dont have anymore of the monitor in stock ! $100 says that the guy biught the damn lcd for himself !! I had to drive 45 minutes to other Office max to get the LCD. Th emonitor shoulkd be set to 75 hz refresh with 1024x768 for best poicture quality ! From cph Wed Aug 30 17:35:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31621 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:35:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15604; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:32:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15205; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15190; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:32:30 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA22902; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:32:26 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <005401c012c9$d9285740$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "John Small" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [TP560] Win98 memory overhead Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:32:49 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "Norton's System Info). So I do a little digging and discover the Thinkpad configuration (which is not open) is hogging 11.6mb." It should only take up any memory/resources when sitting in your system tray. Unless you need to change the stuff it controls a whole lot , best is to do what I've done and remove it from your tray. You can always call it from the program menu. W9x allocation of memory is notoriously stupid. The good news is that (a) Windows *will* page programs out of memory as the latter needed, though the available memory still decreases slowly with time as a consequence of its really bad caching scheme; and (b) free aftermarket programs (like Freemem and RamBooster) can almost always free up the remaining memory when necessary. The really bad news is that many windows programs also hog "system resources", and there is no known way to free these as they disappear. - David R. From cph Wed Aug 30 17:40:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31654 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:40:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16406; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:38:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16161; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16148; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (129.250.36.41 -> dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:38:02 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13UFYW-0006Uj-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:38:00 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.38] (helo=isdn30-38.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13UFYW-0004KT-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:38:00 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: [TP560] Win98 memory overhead Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:37:01 -0500 Message-ID: References: <005401c012c9$d9285740$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <005401c012c9$d9285740$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id RAA31655 On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:32:49 -1000, "David Ross" wrote: >It should only take up any memory/resources when sitting in your system >tray. Unless you need >to change the stuff it controls a whole lot , best is to do what I've >done and remove it from your tray. Ah, yes. That took care of it. Many thanks. Windows ... the OS we love to hate! -jts From cph Wed Aug 30 19:13:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA32343 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:13:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24857; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:10:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24630; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24607; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten2.mcs.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:10:03 -0400 Received: from Atreyu.the-strategis (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by uucphost.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA85205 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:09:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from heiby@falkor.chi.il.us) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:02:19 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <2251512.20000830180219@falkor.chi.il.us> To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] Win98 memory head In-reply-To: <00tqqs4u8eakti3u5r9csbt4261jq1ilot@4ax.com> References: <20000830204717.5214.qmail@web3701.mail.yahoo.com> <00tqqs4u8eakti3u5r9csbt4261jq1ilot@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Wednesday, August 30, 2000, 3:53:39 PM, John wrote: > I remember when 64mb seemed like all one would ever need. Some of us remember the same thing, except it was 64 KB. Ron. From cph Wed Aug 30 23:03:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA01392 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:03:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12052; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:00:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11569; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11555; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:00:07 -0400 Received: from davidreidmob (tnt10-216-180-66-238.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.66.238]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e7V2xx730544; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:00:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006901c012f7$8eb320e0$ee42b4d8@davidreidmob> From: "David Reid" To: "Derek F. Payne" , "Thinkpad List" References: Subject: Re: Audio problems on 770 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:58:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I don't recall the specific file name, it may have even been a BIOS update but if you take a look at IBMs 770 support site, you should find mention of this issue. On the other hand, it may be with Quicktime. I recently installed it and it ran beatifully until I rebooted the machine and now it may take up to a minute or so before a quicktime associated file will open. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek F. Payne" To: "Thinkpad List" Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 1:50 PM Subject: Audio problems on 770 > The audio on my 770 has started stuttering. It first happened when I was > trying to play a Quicktime movie, I haven't been able to get it to work > right since. I have tried reinstalling the drivers, with no luck. Any help > would be appreciated. > > Derek Payne > From cph Wed Aug 30 23:03:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA01397 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:03:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12056; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:00:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11534; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11516; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:00:00 -0400 Received: from davidreidmob (tnt10-216-180-66-238.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.66.238]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e7V2xv705609 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:59:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006801c012f7$8c0c1cc0$ee42b4d8@davidreidmob> From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" References: <200008292054.QAA09099@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> <005601c01200$1bf1b820$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: TP Infared communications . . . what's the trick? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:54:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to all that replied. I've since returned the 760eld to it's owner as it was left with me to install some memory and upgrade the OS. One thing I found to be a real problem, getting the 760 to get it's LPT port back. Seems the IR just didn't want to relinquish it. But, stuborness prevailed. From cph Wed Aug 30 23:04:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA01402 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:04:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12592; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:01:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11865; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11825; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:01:47 -0400 Received: from dan (adsl-64-161-101-98.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.161.101.98]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id UAA05180 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:00:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dan Galender" To: Subject: Select-A-Dock III Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:58:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Anyone know what the 8 little plastic 'nubs' on the top of the "connector cover" of the Select-A-Dock III are there for? Thanks in advance. -Dan Galender From cph Wed Aug 30 23:16:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA01471 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:16:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13674; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:13:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13524; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw3.njit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13511; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw3.njit.edu (128.235.251.11 -> mail-gw3.njit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:13:46 -0400 Received: from homer.njit.edu (homer.njit.edu [128.235.35.70]) by mail-gw3.njit.edu (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7V3DeB29600; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:13:40 -0400 Received: from random.njit.edu (random [128.235.35.107]) by homer.njit.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA23375; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (marvin@localhost) by random.njit.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA15688; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:11:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Marvin Nakayama To: John Small cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: [TP560] Win98 memory overhead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: How did you do this? I've been trying for a long time to get rid of things from my tray, but I haven't been able to figure out how to do this. Marvin On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, John Small wrote: > On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:32:49 -1000, "David Ross" wrote: > > >It should only take up any memory/resources when sitting in your system > >tray. Unless you need > >to change the stuff it controls a whole lot , best is to do what I've > >done and remove it from your tray. > > Ah, yes. That took care of it. > > Many thanks. > > Windows ... the OS we love to hate! > > -jts > From cph Wed Aug 30 23:20:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA01501 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:20:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14205; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:17:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13966; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13953; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (129.250.36.41 -> dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:17:47 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13UKrJ-0005iO-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 03:17:45 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.38] (helo=isdn30-38.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13UKrI-0005ik-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 03:17:44 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: [TP560] Win98 memory overhead Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:16:45 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id XAA01502 On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:11:13 -0400 (EDT), Marvin Nakayama wrote: >How did you do this? Right click on the schd icon in the tray. There's a disable choice. -jts From cph Wed Aug 30 23:38:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA01620 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:38:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15520; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:35:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15303; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15290; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:35:09 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.216.83]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000831033507.TQNU13787.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 03:35:07 +0000 Message-ID: <39ADD1E4.1A449F75@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:32:52 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marvin Nakayama CC: John Small , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: [TP560] Win98 memory overhead References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Marvin Nakayama wrote: > > How did you do this? I've been trying for a long time to > get rid of things from my tray, but I haven't been able to > figure out how to do this. > > Marvin Start- run- msconfig.exe-ok. Select -Start up- Go from there Birger From cph Thu Aug 31 00:22:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01895 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:22:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17632; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:18:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17483; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot08.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17470; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot08.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.28 -> pilot08.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:17:58 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm454-11.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.213]) by pilot08.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7V4HpT42954 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:17:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000831000540.023a1ba0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:17:50 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: [TP560] Win98 memory overhead In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: If you've been living in the Win95 cave, you might want to go and crawl back into it. As someone who maintains some 60+ computers, I find *nothing* in Windows 98 that really helps my users. There are some things that I the maintainer like, but in terms of reliability, speed, memory overhead Winows 95 is superior. FAT32 is a win, so I've been using Win95 OSR2.5 with FAT32. I have found that Win98 has a governmental version which is different, despite what people say--there is a memory leak in the first edition of Win98 which the government version does not have, from what I could tell (having a laptop with that version for only about a day). It's definitely more of a hog, making 64M the minimum for it, which has the performance of roughly Win95 with 40M. So, yes, going from 40 to 72M would be a difference. Me, I'll stick with Win95 on everything but this ThinkPad I'm using now: I'm almost used to the idiot op system crashing every 12 hours or worse. Windows 2000 is a far far better system, and I'll be moving people over to that as time goes on, and each user gets a new fast machine with at least 256M on it. The "final" solution for Windows 98 for mem on my 1480i, was simple: demote Win98 and install OpenBSD instead, which I have happily done, running a REAL windowing system (X) and enjoying stability that means it stays up 'till I power it down or the power dies. On my servers, it's been people who've killed OpenBSD by knocking the power out. If that hadn't happened, I'd have had in excess of 300 days of uptime on one of them....... --STeve Andre' At 03:31 PM 8/30/00 -0500, John Small wrote: >After plunking in a 64mb board (replaced 32mb) for a total of 72mb I'm now >seeing this 82% utilized with only three apps open (Agent and IE5 ... and >Norton's System Info). So I do a little digging and discover the Thinkpad >configuration (which is not open) is hogging 11.6mb. I could list the >rest but >it only makes me feel ill. > >Guess I've been living in a cave, but what's with the memory bloat? > >BTW, going from 40mb to 72mb really does make a noticeable difference running >IE5. The favorites menus are one again navigatible where before they were so >slow in coming up (15-20 seconds sometimes) it was disguisting. > >Thanks. > >-jts From cph Thu Aug 31 00:53:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA02009 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:53:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21527; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:50:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21390; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21377; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:50:47 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p39.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.54]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA55109; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008310450.VAA55109@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "John Small" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:52:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 730T and Ethernet-Modem List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 02:43:27 -0500, John Small wrote: >On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:23:59 -0700, "Paul Khoury" wrote: > >>How sturdy are the dongles for the Xircom? > >Very sturdy. I've replaced the RJ11 jack myself about three times in three >years. Otherwise they are cool and small. I saw them at Fry's recently for >about $20 if'n you need a spare. Yikes. Then again, that's how much the 3COM cables are, and now it seems on eBay the cards used are cheaper than the cables. And Fry's seems to always charge too much for their cables. > >I like this better than the X-jack myself. Of course YMMV. > Hmmm... How much do these sell for? Are they current products, or something I can find cheaply on eBay (< or = $50.00)? Paul From cph Thu Aug 31 01:06:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA02073 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:06:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22331; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:02:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22198; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eve.speakeasy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22185; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eve.speakeasy.net (216.254.0.17 -> eve.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:02:18 -0400 Received: from RWMann.com (rwmann-4.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.73.95]) by eve.speakeasy.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7V51Bd12911 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:01:11 -0700 Message-ID: <39ADE6C8.3DC76D24@RWMann.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:02:00 -0400 From: RWM Organization: R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad User Group Subject: Odd 560Z Behavior Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Suddenly getting a 100% repeatable shutdown after the boot sequence, after NAV load/scan, after PCMCIA cards recognized and before, but just about the point the W98 desktop would normally appear. Just shuts down, like a power-down. I have tried it on AC power and with a charged battery, same result. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Suggested resolution? Thanks. - Bob Mann --> 560Z, 560, 510Cs (relic) -- R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. > Airline Industry Analysis and Consulting Port Washington, NY 11050 > tel 516-944-0900, fax 516-944-7280 mailto:info@RWMann.com > URL http://www.RWMann.com/ From cph Thu Aug 31 02:31:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA02429 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:31:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25799; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:22:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25383; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web113.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25356; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web113.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.84 -> web113.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:21:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 17850 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2000 06:21:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20000831062150.17849.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web113.yahoomail.com; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:21:50 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:21:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: RE: Used 18G disks for sale? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I don't understand why you keep sending out silly messages like this either! More spin control from IBM's customer relation moles, I suspect. --- "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > I don't understand why we're even attempting to > explain anything to you any > longer given your attitude with us. We didn't break > your drive. ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Aug 31 02:47:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA02486 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:47:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26472; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:39:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26263; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot10.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26250; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot10.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.30 -> pilot10.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:39:31 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm454-11.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.213]) by pilot10.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e7V6dR314356 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:39:27 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000831023058.00c13310@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:39:27 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: Used 18G disks for sale? In-Reply-To: <20000831062150.17849.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: So, like, does anyone have a used 18G disk, preferably Toshiba for sale? --STeve Andre' At 11:21 PM 8/30/00 -0700, Steve C. wrote: >I don't understand why you keep sending out silly >messages like this either! >More spin control from IBM's customer relation moles, >I suspect. > >--- "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > > I don't understand why we're even attempting to > > explain anything to you any > > longer given your attitude with us. We didn't break > > your drive. From cph Thu Aug 31 06:29:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA03575 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 06:29:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11366; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 06:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 06:25:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10976; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 06:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10963; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 06:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (209.187.11.98 -> nyc-28-h-98.nyc.dsl.cerfnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 06:25:32 -0400 Received: from bartali (dhcp64.int.networktest.com [10.0.0.64]) by coppi.networktest.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA30745 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 06:30:28 -0500 From: "David Newman" To: Subject: RE: Used 18G disks for sale? Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 06:29:47 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000831062150.17849.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> List-Unsubscribe: Steve, can you please send any other email addresses you use to the list? I want to be sure sure my killfile is complete, and I'm sure there are others on this list wanting to do the same. Thanks! dn > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve C. [mailto:stevec50@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 2:22 AM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: Used 18G disks for sale? > > > I don't understand why you keep sending out silly > messages like this either! > More spin control from IBM's customer relation moles, > I suspect. > > --- "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > > I don't understand why we're even attempting to > > explain anything to you any > > longer given your attitude with us. We didn't break > > your drive. > > > ===== > Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband > Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone > modem was faster! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From cph Thu Aug 31 08:10:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA03953 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:10:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15185; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:07:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15015; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15002; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (129.250.36.43 -> dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:07:31 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13UT7x-0007TY-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:07:29 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.38] (helo=isdn30-38.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13UT7x-0005CM-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:07:29 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 730T and Ethernet-Modem Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:06:25 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200008310450.VAA55109@stevie.loop.com> In-Reply-To: <200008310450.VAA55109@stevie.loop.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA03954 On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:52:44 -0700, "Paul Khoury" wrote: >>I like this better than the X-jack myself. Of course YMMV. >> >Hmmm... How much do these sell for? Are they current products, >or something I can find cheaply on eBay (< or = $50.00)? Good morning Paul. Sorry, I do not know. At the time I purchased my TP560 the card was bundled with it from the dealer. But I believe they were in the $200-250 range then. -jts From cph Thu Aug 31 08:14:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA03974 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:14:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15792; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:11:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15538; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15506; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (129.250.36.44 -> dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:11:50 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13UTC9-0005TK-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:11:49 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.38] (helo=isdn30-38.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13UTC8-0005JJ-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:11:49 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: [TP560] Win98 memory overhead Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:10:42 -0500 Message-ID: References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000831000540.023a1ba0@pilot.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000831000540.023a1ba0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA03975 On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:17:50 -0400, "STeve Andre'" wrote: >It's definitely more of a hog, making >64M the minimum for it, which has the performance of roughly Win95 with >40M. So, yes, going from 40 to 72M would be a difference. Yes, that about fits what I'm seeing, subjectively. > install OpenBSD instead, which I have happily done, running a >REAL windowing system (X) and enjoying stability that means it stays up >'till I power it down or the power dies. I'm not savvy to other OS's. This one is better as for stability? Is there a problem with finding generally available software? I'm game to try something else but I will still need apps in the final analysis. Thanks for your suggestions. -jts From cph Thu Aug 31 09:20:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA04332 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:20:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20683; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:18:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20502; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20486; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:18:07 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-18.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.18]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA20650 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:18:02 +0300 Message-Id: <200008311318.QAA20650@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:18:08 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000831023058.00c13310@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: RE: Used 18G disks for sale? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: I bought mine (Toshiba) on eBay last May for $309 from matrixns@bigfoot.com The seller appeared to be sitting on a bunch of them and the last time I checked, he was selling them for $269. I noticed that for some reason he is currently suspended from eBay. I don't know why, since he was friendly and professional in every respect in the course of our transaction (and had a 100+ positive feedback). The drive was in a sealed bag and looked new to me. It has been working flawlessly. You may want to get in touch with him directly and check whether he still has some left. -Dominique On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 at 02:39 AM you, "STeve Andre'" , said: >So, like, does anyone have a used 18G disk, preferably Toshiba for sale? >--STeve Andre' From cph Thu Aug 31 10:12:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA04732 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:12:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24641; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:09:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24356; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24343; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:09:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:09:35 -0400 Received: from Debug (web01.ismi.net [206.31.57.1]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA16820; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008311409.KAA16820@main.ismi.net> To: "Dan Galender" , Subject: Re: Select-A-Dock III Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:09:32 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Dan, I believe you're referring to the area which acts as the "receiver" for a plastic piece that snaps onto the dock and covers up the cable arrays going into the SelectaBase replicator ports when you have a bunch of things hooked up (printer/keyboard/etc...) . I have some of those lying around in a box. Would assume they're originally part of brand new dock accessories...mainly a cosmetic cover... Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan > Anyone know what the 8 little plastic 'nubs' on the top of the "connector > cover" of the Select-A-Dock III are there for? > > Thanks in advance. > > > -Dan Galender > From cph Thu Aug 31 11:35:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA05362 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:35:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02523; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:30:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02174; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02157; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (24.92.226.165 -> mailout2-1.nyroc.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:30:36 -0400 Received: from dynamocomputers.com (syr-24-169-72-113.twcny.rr.com [24.169.72.113]) by mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01207 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39AE76B3.5E5DE3B0@dynamocomputers.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:16:03 -0400 From: Pete Hatton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Select-A-Dock III References: <200008311409.KAA16820@main.ismi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I think they are there to hold an external floppy drive. denhall@ismi.net wrote: > > Hi Dan, > I believe you're referring to the area which acts as the "receiver" for a > plastic piece that snaps onto the dock and covers up the cable arrays going into > the SelectaBase replicator ports when you have a bunch of things hooked up > (printer/keyboard/etc...) . I have some of those lying around in a box. Would > assume they're originally part of brand new dock accessories...mainly a cosmetic > cover... > > Have a Great Day, > Denis Hall, Michigan > > > Anyone know what the 8 little plastic 'nubs' on the top of the "connector > > cover" of the Select-A-Dock III are there for? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > -Dan Galender > > --- Pete Hatton http://www.dynamocomputers.com From cph Thu Aug 31 13:00:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA06109 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:00:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10386; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:56:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10116; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from regulus.blazenet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10103; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:56:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from regulus.blazenet.net (24.104.0.39 -> regulus.blazenet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:56:01 -0400 Received: from Debug (procyon.blazenet.net [24.104.0.40]) by regulus.blazenet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07590; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008311704.NAA07590@regulus.blazenet.net> To: dan@galender.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: SelectADock III Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:53:02 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.16 List-Unsubscribe: It keeps the external floppy drive, turned sideways, from scooting around. Mort From cph Thu Aug 31 13:02:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA06120 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:02:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10945; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:59:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10658; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from regulus.blazenet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10620; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:59:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from regulus.blazenet.net (24.104.0.39 -> regulus.blazenet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:59:07 -0400 Received: from Debug (procyon.blazenet.net [24.104.0.40]) by regulus.blazenet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA09995 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008311707.NAA09995@regulus.blazenet.net> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Tape Backup for Docks Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:56:11 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.16 List-Unsubscribe: I just graduated from a Dock II to a SelectADock III. I had a SCSI IBM tape backup drive mounted in the Dock II - it slid right in the provided high height tray and bay. Neither the Dock II tray or anything that came with the SelectADock III physically accomodates it. Was/is there an adapter available? Thanks, Mort Denison From cph Thu Aug 31 14:10:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA06679 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:10:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18084; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:07:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17758; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17741; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.89 -> web116.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:07:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 17325 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2000 18:07:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000831180711.17324.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.225.131] by web116.yahoomail.com; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:07:11 PDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:07:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: RE: Used 18G disks for sale? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Be sure and send yours also, so we can do the same. --- David Newman wrote: > > Steve, can you please send any other email addresses > you use to the list? > > I want to be sure sure my killfile is complete, and > I'm sure there are > others on this list wanting to do the same. > > Thanks! > > dn > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve C. [mailto:stevec50@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 2:22 AM > > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: RE: Used 18G disks for sale? > > > > > > I don't understand why you keep sending out silly > > messages like this either! > > More spin control from IBM's customer relation > moles, > > I suspect. > > > > --- "James H. E. Maugham" > wrote: > > > I don't understand why we're even attempting to > > > explain anything to you any > > > longer given your attitude with us. We didn't > break > > > your drive. > > > > > > ===== > > Speedchoice, hell they should call it > Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband > > Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint > Narrowband! My old phone > > modem was faster! > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Aug 31 14:10:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA06683 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:10:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18079; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:07:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17827; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17806; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.89 -> web116.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:07:40 -0400 Received: (qmail 17364 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2000 18:07:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000831180738.17363.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.225.131] by web116.yahoomail.com; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:07:38 PDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: RE: Used 18G disks for sale? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Be sure and send yours also, so we can do the same. --- David Newman wrote: > > Steve, can you please send any other email addresses > you use to the list? > > I want to be sure sure my killfile is complete, and > I'm sure there are > others on this list wanting to do the same. > > Thanks! > > dn > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve C. [mailto:stevec50@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 2:22 AM > > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: RE: Used 18G disks for sale? > > > > > > I don't understand why you keep sending out silly > > messages like this either! > > More spin control from IBM's customer relation > moles, > > I suspect. > > > > --- "James H. E. Maugham" > wrote: > > > I don't understand why we're even attempting to > > > explain anything to you any > > > longer given your attitude with us. We didn't > break > > > your drive. > > > > > > ===== > > Speedchoice, hell they should call it > Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband > > Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint > Narrowband! My old phone > > modem was faster! > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Aug 31 14:48:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA07007 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:48:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22074; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:45:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21781; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst269.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21767; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst269.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.23.14 -> wwcst269.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:45:22 -0400 Received: (qmail 16834 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2000 18:45:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000831184521.16833.qmail@wwcst269.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.14 by wwcst269 for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Thu Aug 31 18:45:21 GMT 2000 Date: 31 Aug 00 13:45:21 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Memory Compatibility - 770 v. 600x X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA07008 Hello, Does anyone know if a 64MB memory chip from a TP770 will work in a 600X? I thought memory was interchangable between the 770s and 600s, but maybe that was only for the first 'generation' of 600s? Thanks, Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Thu Aug 31 15:25:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA07276 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:25:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25617; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:22:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25253; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0d.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25239; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0d.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.33 -> www0d.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:22:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 13181 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2000 18:50:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20000831185035.13180.qmail@www0d.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.33 by www0d for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Thu Aug 31 18:50:35 GMT 2000 Date: 31 Aug 00 13:50:35 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Greg Langham Subject: RE: Memory Compatibility - 770 v. 600x CC: ThinkPad Mailing List X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA07277 Doh! What was I thinking? That makes a lot of sense. I guess I won't be getting that extra 64MB after all... Thanks for the info! Rob Greg Langham wrote: > Rob, > > The 600X is a PIII with a 100 Mhz bus, if I'm not mistaken. The 770's (as > you know) are PII machines with a 66 MHz bus. If you happened to buy 100 MHz > memory for your 770, then it might work in the 600X (not sure on this), but > not vice versa. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Thu Aug 31 18:02:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA08535 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:02:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08795; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:59:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08501; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08484; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (216.100.248.113 -> adsl-216-100-248-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:58:58 -0400 Received: from cinnamon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cinnamon.com (8.10.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id e7VM0iA08338 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008312200.e7VM0iA08338@cinnamon.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.0 09/18/1999 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Maxtor 105Mb type3 pcmcia ata weirdness Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:00:44 -0700 From: Andy Beals List-Unsubscribe: Ok, now I see that not only do they read in a 730T/TE, and fail in a 770ED, they also fail in a CameraMate parallel port pcmcia{2,3}/cf{1?} adaptor. The general symptom on the 770 and the CameraMate is the same -- drive doesn't spin up, isdn't recognized by the OS - windoze 95/98. Yes, the 770 and the CameraMate recognize other hard drives - an IBM 105Mb and a CallunaCard 520Mb no problem. Anyone else seen similar? From cph Thu Aug 31 20:30:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA09528 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:30:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19397; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:26:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19140; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19127; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:26:39 -0400 Received: from 209-122-246-179.s560.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.246.179] helo=default) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13UefG-0002ec-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:26:38 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c013ab$9a64b340$b3f67ad1@default> Reply-To: "Douglas G. MacQueen" From: "Douglas G. MacQueen" To: "Thinkpad Users" References: <000701c00e23$565f3c20$8df0163f@oemcomputer> Subject: Help! I did a Dumb Thing Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:28:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I managed to load the registry from my desktop machine into my Tp 600's registry. I then downloaded a couple of registry fix programs, but the first thing they did was reboot my machine and of course it read the NEW FRIED registry and I was hosed. I can boot to a DOS prompt. I do have the recovery CD, but the (very helpful) guy at EasyServe said that it would WIPE my drive, which I don't want to do. I got out Laplink 5 and got it to run from the command line, but it is NOT tranferring long file names. So here are my questions: 1) is there a way to transfer my files to another machine WITH long filenames? 2) Where exactly does the registry file live? My plan is to use the recovery CD after I have done #1, SAVE a copy of the NEW CORRECT registry, and then laplink (or whatever) my NEWER files back, EXCEPTING the registry and any other files that should not be restored. Thanks in advance for your help. I have been programming computers for a LONG time now and this is the stupidest thing I have done yet. Of course, MS gave me NO WARNING that this was about to happen! Shades of Unix! PS I am using a parallel laplink cable, but I have network cards on both machines, and I know how to make a null modem if any of these would help my file name problem. Donald From cph Thu Aug 31 21:02:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA09738 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:02:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21679; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:59:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21443; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21430; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:59:22 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.216.25]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000901005920.ZDCJ6375.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:59:20 +0000 Message-ID: <39AEFED8.F60E3328@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:56:56 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Beals CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Maxtor 105Mb type3 pcmcia ata weirdness References: <200008312200.e7VM0iA08338@cinnamon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If it is ok in a 730 then the Maxtor is ok. The 770 only provides 3.3 & 5.0 vdc in the pmcia pinout. The 12 vdc pin is not powered. Your maxtor is prior to 1997- correct. Suggest you confirm with Maxtor. Birger Andy Beals wrote: > > Ok, now I see that not only do they read in a 730T/TE, and fail in a 770ED, > they also fail in a CameraMate parallel port pcmcia{2,3}/cf{1?} adaptor. The > general symptom on the 770 and the CameraMate is the same -- drive doesn't > spin up, isdn't recognized by the OS - windoze 95/98. Yes, the 770 and the > CameraMate recognize other hard drives - an IBM 105Mb and a CallunaCard 520Mb > no problem. > > Anyone else seen similar? From cph Thu Aug 31 21:03:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA09744 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:03:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21770; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:00:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21560; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21535; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:00:04 -0400 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.58]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000901010003.ZDIX6375.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:00:03 +0000 Received: from [24.189.193.235] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 01:00:02 +0000 To: "Douglas G. MacQueen" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Re: Help! I did a Dumb Thing Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 01:00:02 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: scosgt@att.net Message-Id: <20000901010003.ZDIX6375.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: You need to reload your OS from the command line - since you have parallel devices, you should be able to get the cabs onto the hard drive to do the reload. Sometimes the cabs exist in c:\windows\options\cabs, but often this is not a full copy and you can't reload from it. You can give that a try, however. > I managed to load the registry from my desktop machine into my > Tp 600's registry. I then downloaded a couple of registry fix programs, > but the first thing they did was reboot my machine and of course it read the > NEW FRIED registry and I was hosed. > > I can boot to a DOS prompt. I do have the recovery CD, but the (very > helpful) guy at EasyServe said that it would WIPE my drive, which I don't > want to do. > > I got out Laplink 5 and got it to run from the command line, but it is > NOT tranferring long file names. > > So here are my questions: > 1) is there a way to transfer my files to another machine WITH long > filenames? > 2) Where exactly does the registry file live? My plan is to use the > recovery CD after I have done #1, SAVE a copy of the NEW > CORRECT registry, and then laplink (or whatever) my NEWER files > back, EXCEPTING the registry and any other files that should not be > restored. > > Thanks in advance for your help. I have been programming computers > for a LONG time now and this is the stupidest thing I have done yet. > > Of course, MS gave me NO WARNING that this was about to happen! > Shades of Unix! > > PS I am using a parallel laplink cable, but I have network cards on both > machines, and I know how to make a null modem if any of these > would help my file name problem. > > Donald > From cph Thu Aug 31 21:10:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA09800 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:10:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23048; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:07:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22866; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22853; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:07:12 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JTMRYYXRKW8WW443@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:10:38 CST Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:10:38 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: 15" tft lcd $299 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: if you are having trouble locating one, let me know the state where you live i can get 90% accurate inventory readings. thanks From cph Thu Aug 31 23:17:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA10389 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:17:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00165; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:13:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29969; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29949; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:13:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28488; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:58:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:58:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: "Douglas G. MacQueen" cc: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Help! I did a Dumb Thing In-Reply-To: <002501c013ab$9a64b340$b3f67ad1@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Can you boot into safe mode? On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Douglas G. MacQueen wrote: > I managed to load the registry from my desktop machine into my > Tp 600's registry. I then downloaded a couple of registry fix programs, > but the first thing they did was reboot my machine and of course it read the > NEW FRIED registry and I was hosed. From cph Thu Aug 31 23:36:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA10478 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:36:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01400; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:32:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01214; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-4.sjc.telocity.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01196; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-4.sjc.telocity.net (216.227.56.44) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:32:40 -0400 Received: from lazaruslong (dsl-216-227-14-85.chi.interchangedsl.com [216.227.14.85]) by mail-4.sjc.telocity.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA06595 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by lazaruslong (216.227.14.85) with smtp ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:36:36 -0500 X-Posting-Agent: Hamster/1.3.21.0 From: Stan Mocek To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: archive Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:36:36 -0500 Reply-To: mocek@azb.com Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:28:48 -0400, Michael D. Scheer wrote: >Would someone please point me to the list archive? Thanks. Sorry to >ask what is probably a FAQ. The archive through 1998 exists at: http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~cph/thinkpad.php3 I don't know if anything beyond that is being archived on the web. -- Stan Mocek mocek@azb.com