From cph Thu Jun 1 12:50:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA14292 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:50:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16666; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:48:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16223; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hms1.med.harvard.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16210; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hms1.med.harvard.edu (134.174.141.114 -> hms.harvard.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:48:31 -0400 Received: from jrodefer.harvard.edu ([128.103.82.167]) by hms1.med.harvard.edu (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-63724U4000L600S0V35) with ESMTP id edu for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:34:56 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000601124615.00a936d0@hms.harvard.edu> X-Sender: josh_rodefer@hms.harvard.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:48:03 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: josh rodefer Subject: portable CD? (or CD-R) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: does anyone have recommendations for a portable CD drive (or a CD-RW)??? also, any ideas about whether PC card or USB is the better interface? I have a TP 240 and would like to save the PC card for network connections. thanks, josh From cph Thu Jun 1 16:24:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA16142 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:24:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09466; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:20:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09169; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09156; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:20:25 -0400 Received: from user-37ka2lt.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37ka2lt.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.10.189]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA15706; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006012020.QAA15706@granger.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "josh rodefer" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 16:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000601124615.00a936d0@hms.harvard.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: portable CD? (or CD-R) List-Unsubscribe: I picked up a Backpack portable CD/CD-R/CD-RW and it does just fine. I couldn't find one for Win95 OSR2 USB support, only dose98, and didn't want to buy a scuzy pccard. It is easily moved to different pc's of any type. On Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:48:03 -0400, josh rodefer wrote: > >does anyone have recommendations for a portable >CD drive (or a CD-RW)??? > >also, any ideas about whether PC card or USB is the >better interface? I have a TP 240 and would like >to save the PC card for network connections. > >thanks, >josh > From cph Thu Jun 1 16:58:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA16390 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:58:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13005; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:57:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12907; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12893; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:57:29 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09318 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3936CDE1.9ED4AD1D@stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 13:56:01 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: portable CD? (or CD-R) References: <200006012020.QAA15706@granger.mail.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have just the opposite opinion. I like SCSI units. Although they generally cost a little more, they have some nice advantages. #1 Lower CPU utilization - reduces chances of coaster creation. #2 Most work on Macs - great if you compute on both platforms. #3 They often come with a handy SCSI card that controls other SCSI devices. As always, YMMV. Benjamin Allan Ballard wrote: > > I picked up a Backpack portable CD/CD-R/CD-RW > and it does just fine. I couldn't find one for Win95 OSR2 > USB support, only dose98, and didn't want to buy a > scuzy pccard. It is easily moved to different pc's of > any type. > > On Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:48:03 -0400, josh rodefer wrote: > > > > >does anyone have recommendations for a portable > >CD drive (or a CD-RW)??? > > > >also, any ideas about whether PC card or USB is the > >better interface? I have a TP 240 and would like > >to save the PC card for network connections. > > > >thanks, > >josh > > -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (68k/PPC) or PC without IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Thu Jun 1 23:39:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA18879 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:39:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02741; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:37:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02495; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02482; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:37:16 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.70]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000602033714.HDZT1605.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:37:14 +0000 Message-ID: <001801bfcc43$41cb9780$460e4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Re: portable CD? (or CD-R) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:32:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. I like the panasonic drives that are both PCMCIA and SCSI at the same time. The early ones with the speakers and sound card are a problem with current laptops in as much as the 2 sound cards conflict. The work-around is to find the interface card that has no sound card, this also gives you some better sounding amplified speakers on the CD drive that can be connected to the laptop. The really good part is, if you really do not need a fast drive, the 4X models can be had on the cheap. This is the personal viewpoint of a confessed "el cheapo". From cph Fri Jun 2 01:45:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA19350 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:45:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07958; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:44:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07789; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rabacal.direct.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07749; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:43:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from rabacal.direct.ca (199.60.229.8 -> rabacal.direct.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:43:28 -0400 Received: from bc-van-wwd-a53-01-25.look.ca ([216.66.143.121] helo=direct.ca) by rabacal.direct.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 12xkEw-0002r8-00; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:43:26 -0700 Message-ID: <393746D8.C261C5F4@direct.ca> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 22:32:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , Thinkpad Mail List Subject: Thinkpad A20p & T20 "In Stock" Canada Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I have been watching posts about both the IBM Thinkpad A20p & T20 series with interest over these past weeks. I am very surprised that people would pay $4000 for a Notebook sight unseen. I have seen both the A20p & the T20 14" Models. IBM has "Retail Stores" in every major city in Canada. They are "in stock" and "on display" at these locations. If you are in Seattle, I would suggest that you take a quick "3hr" drive up to Vancouver, BC, Canada. These units are available for sale and on display at: IBM Store Pacific Center Mall 777 Dunsmuir st. Vancouver, BC, Canada Ph: 604-681-0411 As of yesterday I believe they had (5) A20p's & (5-10) T20's "In Stock". I tried both units and have a very reserved opinion of them. Someone earlier posted their "disappointment" with the T20 keyboard. Here are my thoughts; Both the A20p & T20 have a keyboard that feels like the "i series". The Thinkpad 600E-X is far superior and feels more solid & sturdy. Those of you that like the Thinkpad 600 series keyboard "will" be disappointed. The A20p reminds me of the 390 & "i series" in build quality and "feel". The A20p looks like a bigger Thinkpad i1560 when its in front of you in a closed position. Obviously the specs of the A20p are superior. The A20p has a plastic bottom. The Titanium Composite is in the cover only. (ThinkPad A20p models only) Basically if you have seen a A20m - then you have seen the A20p. Build quality is about the same. The screen of the A20p has about the same "icon" resolution of the 13.3" Thinkpad 600x screen with a 15" form factor. (the icon's appear to be about the same size when the units are side by side) BTW the "Ultra Port" connector at the top of the screen only comes with the A20p. No A20m has this feature. In my opinion the T20 "feels" much better subjectivly than the A20 series. It has the Titanium Composite in the cover and the base. It has a more solid and "expensive" feel. Yes, they are both fast - but not substantually faster than a 600X. I have tried most of the IBM Thinkpad product line. I feel that IBM should have slimmed down the TP 770Z. It had a winner there but needed a PIII500-700mhz processor in it. The TP600X is "outstanding" - it feels like a Thinkpad should. Any way - these are only my opinions. I have posted the IBM store address and phone number for those of you that may want to see a $4000 Notebook before you buy it. - Thx From cph Fri Jun 2 02:01:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA19424 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 02:01:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08572; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 02:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 02:00:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08497; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 02:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rabacal.direct.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08469; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 02:00:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from rabacal.direct.ca (199.60.229.8 -> rabacal.direct.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 02:00:15 -0400 Received: from bc-van-wwd-a53-01-25.look.ca ([216.66.143.121] helo=direct.ca) by rabacal.direct.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 12xkV9-0003ti-00; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:00:11 -0700 Message-ID: <39374AC5.20A639DF@direct.ca> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 22:48:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , Thinkpad Mail List Subject: [Fwd: Thinkpad A20p & T20 "In Stock" Canada] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7B5056C573329A37F05506FF" List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7B5056C573329A37F05506FF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just an update: IBM Store Canada Website: http://ewmdws003.services.ibm.com/s_dir/shoppc/splashnew.nsf/FramesetReg?Openform Click on "Store Locator" on the top left of the website to find a store closer to you. - Thx --------------7B5056C573329A37F05506FF Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by cheddar (mbox kcygania) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Thu Jun 1 22:37:45 2000) X-From_: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 01 22:44:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu ([128.169.94.1]) by rabacal.direct.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 12xkFh-0002vc-00 for kcygania@direct.ca; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:44:13 -0700 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07802; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:44:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07789; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rabacal.direct.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07749; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:43:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from rabacal.direct.ca (199.60.229.8 -> rabacal.direct.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:43:28 -0400 Received: from bc-van-wwd-a53-01-25.look.ca ([216.66.143.121] helo=direct.ca) by rabacal.direct.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 12xkEw-0002r8-00; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:43:26 -0700 Message-ID: <393746D8.C261C5F4@direct.ca> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 22:32:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , Thinkpad Mail List Subject: Thinkpad A20p & T20 "In Stock" Canada Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Hello, I have been watching posts about both the IBM Thinkpad A20p & T20 series with interest over these past weeks. I am very surprised that people would pay $4000 for a Notebook sight unseen. I have seen both the A20p & the T20 14" Models. IBM has "Retail Stores" in every major city in Canada. They are "in stock" and "on display" at these locations. If you are in Seattle, I would suggest that you take a quick "3hr" drive up to Vancouver, BC, Canada. These units are available for sale and on display at: IBM Store Pacific Center Mall 777 Dunsmuir st. Vancouver, BC, Canada Ph: 604-681-0411 As of yesterday I believe they had (5) A20p's & (5-10) T20's "In Stock". I tried both units and have a very reserved opinion of them. Someone earlier posted their "disappointment" with the T20 keyboard. Here are my thoughts; Both the A20p & T20 have a keyboard that feels like the "i series". The Thinkpad 600E-X is far superior and feels more solid & sturdy. Those of you that like the Thinkpad 600 series keyboard "will" be disappointed. The A20p reminds me of the 390 & "i series" in build quality and "feel". The A20p looks like a bigger Thinkpad i1560 when its in front of you in a closed position. Obviously the specs of the A20p are superior. The A20p has a plastic bottom. The Titanium Composite is in the cover only. (ThinkPad A20p models only) Basically if you have seen a A20m - then you have seen the A20p. Build quality is about the same. The screen of the A20p has about the same "icon" resolution of the 13.3" Thinkpad 600x screen with a 15" form factor. (the icon's appear to be about the same size when the units are side by side) BTW the "Ultra Port" connector at the top of the screen only comes with the A20p. No A20m has this feature. In my opinion the T20 "feels" much better subjectivly than the A20 series. It has the Titanium Composite in the cover and the base. It has a more solid and "expensive" feel. Yes, they are both fast - but not substantually faster than a 600X. I have tried most of the IBM Thinkpad product line. I feel that IBM should have slimmed down the TP 770Z. It had a winner there but needed a PIII500-700mhz processor in it. The TP600X is "outstanding" - it feels like a Thinkpad should. Any way - these are only my opinions. I have posted the IBM store address and phone number for those of you that may want to see a $4000 Notebook before you buy it. - Thx --------------7B5056C573329A37F05506FF-- From cph Fri Jun 2 09:09:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA21169 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:09:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03545; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:07:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03392; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03374; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006021307.JAA03374@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.32 -> out2.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:07:40 -0400 Received: from slip-32-101-255-228.ny.us.prserv.net ([32.101.255.228]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2000060213070822901c2q2ie>; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:07:09 +0000 From: "Lee Laniear" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 06:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Lee Laniear" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <393746D8.C261C5F4@direct.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: More than 24 meg memory on TP 7001C List-Unsubscribe: Several months ago there was much discussion about getting more than 24 meg of memory on a TP701 (by replacing the 16 meg module with something larger). I've tried, a couple of times to buy the larger memory module to no avail. If I go to a vendor on the web their list for the 701C doesn't show anything larger. I tried going to Frye's in Los Angeles (Burbank) and gave them the specs they asked for what computer and said that the 701C could not handle more than 16 meg and actually refused to sell it to me. So, here's my "final question", where did any of you buy the additional memory. I'd like vendor who is online. Thanks in advance, Lee From cph Fri Jun 2 09:50:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA21403 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:50:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10536; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:48:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10445; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10430; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (141.213.75.21 -> srvr22.engin.umich.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:48:45 -0400 Received: from azure.engin.umich.edu (root@azure.engin.umich.edu [141.213.74.24]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12990; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (arteitle@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by azure.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA16516; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:48:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" To: Lee Laniear cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: More than 24 meg memory on TP 7001C In-Reply-To: <200006021307.JAA03374@cs.utk.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Lee Laniear wrote: > Several months ago there was much discussion about getting more than > 24 meg of memory on a TP701 (by replacing the 16 meg module with > something larger). I've tried, a couple of times to buy the larger > memory module to no avail. If I go to a vendor on the web their list > for the 701C doesn't show anything larger. I tried going to Frye's in > Los Angeles (Burbank) and gave them the specs they asked for what > computer and said that the 701C could not handle more than 16 meg and > actually refused to sell it to me. So, here's my "final question", > where did any of you buy the additional memory. I'd like vendor who > is online. The discussion several months ago was about putting a 64 meg module into the 701C, upping the RAM to 68/72 megs. Using a 32 meg module to raise it to 36/40 megs has been done for quite some time; in fact, when IBM used to sell a 32 meg SO-DIMM for the 701C, they listed the max RAM at 40, but when they stopped selling it, they lowered the spec to 24. I upped my 701C's RAM to 40 megs by buying an industry standard 72-pin 3.3v DRAM SO-DIMM from Alpha Memory (www.memory.com) for about $55 around 6 months ago. They listed a 701C-specific part for more money (IBM calls this part 92G7281), but the generic part works just fine. RAM prices have gone up a bit since then, so your mileage may vary. BTW, someone did get the 701C to accept a 64 meg SO-DIMM, raising the max RAM to 72 megs. If I remember correctly, there was nothing too special about the part; it was just a standard 72-pin SO-DIMM, I believe. Aaron Teitlebaum arteitle@engin.umich.edu From cph Fri Jun 2 11:11:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA21991 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:11:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19267; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:10:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19122; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19109; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:10:18 -0400 Received: from davidreid (tnt10-216-180-66-150.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.66.150]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with SMTP id e52FAGG05948 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:10:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005601bfcca4$94c4ede0$9642b4d8@davidreid> From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: TP 770 Where's the interface for my 8track tape player Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:09:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: At the risk of sounding sarcastic to those who questioned my good intentions in buying an obsolete, 770z . . . MAN! This is one obsolete machine . . . the crisp, clean 14" display, whew, pathetic, overall looks and "real" Thinkpad performance . . . outdated beautifully, and the ruggedness??? . . . geesh could they not have made this thing less sturdy??? guess that's what I get with an obsolete machine. And the built in modem and microphone. . . with "full" duplex speakerphone capablitliy . . . that sounds better than my high dollar, external, USR modem on my desktop . . .plays music on hold . . . OBSOLETE JUNK. Oh, and a real volume control knob like those "newer up to date machines" . . . wait a minute, that ain't supposed to be on my new obsolete machine. Infared on back . . . and front?? wouldn't that qualify as obsolete??? Oh, and that sweet distinctive Thinkpad keyboard, eh, what can I say . . . I LOVE IT Now . . . if I can just find the 8 track interface . . . . and locate an obsolete Zip Drive for this thing. ______________ David Reid dwreid@hiwaay.net ps To those who encoraged me "not" to get this model, please don't think that this is directed at you, this is merely posted in jest out of my satisfaction with the recent purchase of this 770. Your recent opinons and comments are still, highly valued. From cph Fri Jun 2 11:18:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA22041 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:18:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20106; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:17:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20032; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20019; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.113 -> pilot013.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:17:28 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (granny.cyberspace.org [204.212.46.135] (may be forged)) by pilot013.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA53412 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:17:24 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000602111423.00da69a0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 11:17:22 -0400 To: "ThinkPad-L" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: TP 770 Where's the interface for my 8track tape player In-Reply-To: <005601bfcca4$94c4ede0$9642b4d8@davidreid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: An 8 track interface... I love it. I'm glad you bought what you wanted to. All too often, we (myself included) tend to forget that the selection of a laptop is easily as personal as deciding what stereo to buy, or whatnot. What one person likes, another may not. Have fun with your 770--may it function well for you for years... --STeve Andre At 10:09 AM 6/2/00 -0500, David Reid wrote: >At the risk of sounding sarcastic to those who questioned my good >intentions in buying an obsolete, 770z . . . MAN! This is one >obsolete machine . . . the crisp, clean 14" display, whew, pathetic, >overall looks and "real" Thinkpad performance . . . outdated >beautifully, and the ruggedness??? . . . geesh could they not have >made this thing less sturdy??? guess that's what I get with an >obsolete machine. > >And the built in modem and microphone. . . with "full" duplex >speakerphone capablitliy . . . that sounds better than my high >dollar, external, USR modem on my desktop . . .plays music on hold . >. . OBSOLETE JUNK. > >Oh, and a real volume control knob like those "newer up to date >machines" . . . wait a minute, that ain't supposed to be on my new >obsolete machine. > >Infared on back . . . and front?? wouldn't that qualify as >obsolete??? > >Oh, and that sweet distinctive Thinkpad keyboard, eh, what can I say >. . . > >I LOVE IT > > >Now . . . if I can just find the 8 track interface . . . . and >locate an obsolete Zip Drive for this thing. > >______________ >David Reid >dwreid@hiwaay.net > >ps To those who encoraged me "not" to get this model, please don't >think that this is directed at you, this is merely posted in jest out >of my satisfaction with the recent purchase of this 770. Your recent >opinons and comments are still, highly valued. From cph Fri Jun 2 12:57:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA22764 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:57:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28919; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:54:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28659; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28646; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:54:13 -0400 Received: from cjsibm (ftw-tx28-46.ix.netcom.com [205.187.95.174]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA03532 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:54:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Charles J Schultz SR" To: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: FW: TP 770 Where's the interface for my 8track tape player Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:52:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Well said David! Chuck-Another 770Z owner -----Original Message----- From: David Reid [mailto:dwreid@hiwaay.net] Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 10:10 AM To: ThinkPad-L Subject: TP 770 Where's the interface for my 8track tape player At the risk of sounding sarcastic to those who questioned my good intentions in buying an obsolete, 770z . . . MAN! This is one obsolete machine . . . the crisp, clean 14" display, whew, pathetic, overall looks and "real" Thinkpad performance . . . outdated beautifully, and the ruggedness??? . . . geesh could they not have made this thing less sturdy??? guess that's what I get with an obsolete machine. And the built in modem and microphone. . . with "full" duplex speakerphone capablitliy . . . that sounds better than my high dollar, external, USR modem on my desktop . . .plays music on hold . . . OBSOLETE JUNK. Oh, and a real volume control knob like those "newer up to date machines" . . . wait a minute, that ain't supposed to be on my new obsolete machine. Infared on back . . . and front?? wouldn't that qualify as obsolete??? Oh, and that sweet distinctive Thinkpad keyboard, eh, what can I say . . . I LOVE IT Now . . . if I can just find the 8 track interface . . . . and locate an obsolete Zip Drive for this thing. ______________ David Reid dwreid@hiwaay.net ps To those who encoraged me "not" to get this model, please don't think that this is directed at you, this is merely posted in jest out of my satisfaction with the recent purchase of this 770. Your recent opinons and comments are still, highly valued. From cph Fri Jun 2 13:24:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA22972 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:24:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01537; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:22:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01439; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01426; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.org (216.254.0.5 -> gonzo.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:22:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 23131 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2000 17:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grace.speakeasy.org) (216.254.0.2) by gonzo.speakeasy.net with SMTP; 2 Jun 2000 17:22:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 32657 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2000 17:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wald5) (216.254.51.114) by grace.speakeasy.org with SMTP; 2 Jun 2000 17:22:49 -0000 From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Dead battery Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:24:19 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I seem to now have two, out of three, dead batteries for two TP770's. My usual suppliers (PC CONNECTION and NECX) do not have the 770 battery in stock, but PC CONNECTION has a battery for the 770 made by XTEND. Does anyone have any experience with this company, or a good source for an IBM TP770 battery? I think I own a couple of their Airplane/Car adpaters. which are OK. Thanks, Bill Armstrong From cph Fri Jun 2 13:30:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA23028 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:30:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02231; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:29:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02155; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02141; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:29:03 -0400 Received: from denhall (tc3-23.ismi.net [207.51.180.128]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA26066; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00c301bfccb8$5a23af00$80b433cf@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "William Armstrong" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770 Dead battery Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:30:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello William... try Joe Gadoury at Centrix for a battery-- he was selling very reasonably recently, and he seems to be a pretty solid guy too... http://www.centrix-intl.com/ Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan 810.229.2881 -----Original Message----- From: William Armstrong To: ThinkPad List Date: Friday, June 02, 2000 1:23 PM Subject: Dead battery >I seem to now have two, out of three, dead batteries for two TP770's. My >usual suppliers (PC CONNECTION and NECX) do not have the 770 battery in >stock, but PC CONNECTION has a battery for the 770 made by XTEND. Does >anyone have any experience with this company, or a good source for an IBM >TP770 battery? I think I own a couple of their Airplane/Car adpaters. which >are OK. > >Thanks, >Bill Armstrong > From cph Fri Jun 2 13:30:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA23032 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:30:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02401; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:29:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02304; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02287; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (24.2.8.66 -> ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:29:23 -0400 Received: from cx792194b ([24.1.143.198]) by mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <20000602172922.EBXU13133.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@cx792194b> for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:29:22 -0700 Message-ID: <003f01bfccb8$28816280$c68f0118@msnv1.occa.home.com> From: "Joe Strauss" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: TP770 - video out to TV Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:29:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I am a new participant in this group. I have recently acquired a Thinkpad 770 (from my boss, he got a brand new Sony laptop). It is running Window 98. I am trying to get the video out to TV working. I have the "DVD and enhanced video adapter" installed. I have downloaded all the latest drivers. I have all the hardware hooked up (video out cable, s-video cable to TV). I follow the instuctions in the manual to set it up, but nothing comes on the TV. For now, I am trying to just see the laptop desktop on the TV. Then I would like to see DVD movies on the TV (running SoftDVD). Please help! Thanks. From cph Fri Jun 2 13:37:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA23082 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:37:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03278; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:35:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03132; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03107; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.org (216.254.0.5 -> gonzo.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:34:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 24007 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2000 17:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grace.speakeasy.org) (216.254.0.2) by gonzo.speakeasy.net with SMTP; 2 Jun 2000 17:34:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 15179 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2000 17:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wald5) (216.254.51.114) by grace.speakeasy.org with SMTP; 2 Jun 2000 17:34:55 -0000 From: "William Armstrong" To: "Mike Capone" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Dead battery Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:36:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <000001bfccb7$7a885620$1b00a8c0@dallas> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Thanks, Mike. There are two differnt batteries listed there. One, IBM FRU #12J0433, is the same listed at the IBM support site. The other, FRU #02K6508, shows the same voltage, but 4.8AM vs 4.5AM. Any idea what the difference is? Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Mike Capone [mailto:drgrant@ziplink.net] Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 1:25 PM To: William Armstrong Subject: RE: Dead battery http://www.centrix-intl.com has a bunch of these, or at least they did the last time I checked... going for about $135 a pop... I bought 2 of them... > -----Original Message----- > From: William Armstrong [mailto:warmstrong@waldinc.com] > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 1:24 PM > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: Dead battery > > > I seem to now have two, out of three, dead batteries for two TP770's. My > usual suppliers (PC CONNECTION and NECX) do not have the 770 battery in > stock, but PC CONNECTION has a battery for the 770 made by XTEND. Does > anyone have any experience with this company, or a good source for an IBM > TP770 battery? I think I own a couple of their Airplane/Car > adpaters. which > are OK. > > Thanks, > Bill Armstrong > > From cph Fri Jun 2 15:10:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA23807 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:10:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12447; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:07:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12090; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12074; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:07:36 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03952 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3938059E.49A0590A@stanford.edu> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 12:06:06 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: TP770 - video out to TV References: <003f01bfccb8$28816280$c68f0118@msnv1.occa.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Peruse the README and manual files for the DVD decoder very carefully. Sometime ago, someone discovered their machine's (I forget if it was a Thinkpad) DVD decoder could not support interlaced output, thus making DVD viewing on a TV impossible. You may be in the same situation, in which case even if you get the laptop display on the TV, once you activate DVD playback the display will switch back to the LCD panel. Benjamin Joe Strauss wrote: > > Hello, > I am a new participant in this group. I have recently acquired a Thinkpad > 770 (from my boss, he got a brand new Sony laptop). It is running Window 98. > I am trying to get the video out to TV working. I have the "DVD and enhanced > video adapter" installed. I have downloaded all the latest drivers. I have > all the hardware hooked up (video out cable, s-video cable to TV). I follow > the instuctions in the manual to set it up, but nothing comes on the TV. > For now, I am trying to just see the laptop desktop on the TV. Then I would > like to see DVD movies on the TV (running SoftDVD). > > Please help! > > Thanks. -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (68k/PPC) or PC without IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Fri Jun 2 15:47:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA24129 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:47:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16172; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:44:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15912; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15898; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.org (216.254.0.5 -> gonzo.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:44:34 -0400 Received: (qmail 26511 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2000 19:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grace.speakeasy.org) (216.254.0.2) by gonzo.speakeasy.net with SMTP; 2 Jun 2000 19:44:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 11963 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2000 19:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wald5) (216.254.51.114) by grace.speakeasy.org with SMTP; 2 Jun 2000 19:44:31 -0000 From: "William Armstrong" To: "Mike Capone" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Dead battery Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:46:01 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <000101bfccba$92d291c0$1b00a8c0@dallas> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: FRU PN 02K6508 That's what I will buy. Thanks, Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Mike Capone [mailto:drgrant@ziplink.net] Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 1:47 PM To: William Armstrong Subject: RE: Dead battery Well, 4.8AM would just mean it has a higher capacity... When I bought my batteries from centrix, there was only one type. The ones I have say " FRU PN 02K6508 " and these are the 4.8AM batteries. I use them in my TP770ED/9549/5AU with no problems, but they should work in the other 770s as well. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: William Armstrong [mailto:warmstrong@waldinc.com] > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 1:36 PM > To: Mike Capone > Cc: ThinkPad List > Subject: RE: Dead battery > > > Thanks, Mike. > > There are two differnt batteries listed there. One, IBM FRU > #12J0433, is the > same listed at the IBM support site. The other, FRU #02K6508, > shows the same > voltage, but 4.8AM vs 4.5AM. Any idea what the difference is? > > Bill Armstrong > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Capone [mailto:drgrant@ziplink.net] > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 1:25 PM > To: William Armstrong > Subject: RE: Dead battery > > > > http://www.centrix-intl.com > > has a bunch of these, or at least they did > the last time I checked... going for about $135 a pop... I bought > 2 of them... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: William Armstrong [mailto:warmstrong@waldinc.com] > > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 1:24 PM > > To: ThinkPad List > > Subject: Dead battery > > > > > > I seem to now have two, out of three, dead batteries for two TP770's. My > > usual suppliers (PC CONNECTION and NECX) do not have the 770 battery in > > stock, but PC CONNECTION has a battery for the 770 made by XTEND. Does > > anyone have any experience with this company, or a good source > for an IBM > > TP770 battery? I think I own a couple of their Airplane/Car > > adpaters. which > > are OK. > > > > Thanks, > > Bill Armstrong > > > > > > From cph Fri Jun 2 17:48:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA25129 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:48:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24867; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:44:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24536; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toad.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24523; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toad.com (140.174.2.1 -> toad.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:44:04 -0400 Received: from machine4 ([208.199.120.180]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06459 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000602173818.0240ac60@mail.ny.viant.com> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: Kenzo's Useful Mail Client v3 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 17:43:44 -0400 To: Thinkpad list From: Ken Subject: [TP570] Won't boot; displays "LI" on screen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have a Thinkpad 570 that just stopped working. Upon boot, the Thinkpad screen displays, the RAM available displays, no error shows up, single beep. The screen clears, and, instead of the OS loading, after an amount of time anywhere from 1/2 a second to 15 seconds, a "LI" (without quotes) displays at the top of the screen, and the machine does not go any further. I tried resetting the BIOS info, to no avail. I held down F8, but that affected nothing. Any ideas? - Ken kenzo@free-music.com From cph Fri Jun 2 17:50:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA25158 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:50:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25149; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:48:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25003; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24986; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:48:24 -0400 Received: by porkchop.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 16:52:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'Ken'" , Thinkpad list Subject: RE: [TP570] Won't boot; displays "LI" on screen Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 16:52:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFCCDC.E7ED4EC6" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFCCDC.E7ED4EC6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Have you tried booting from a bootable floppy disk? It might be that your boot record on your hard drive is corrupt. Booting from a floppy would help you determine that. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Ken [mailto:kenzo@free-music.com] Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 4:44 PM To: Thinkpad list Subject: [TP570] Won't boot; displays "LI" on screen I have a Thinkpad 570 that just stopped working. Upon boot, the Thinkpad screen displays, the RAM available displays, no error shows up, single beep. The screen clears, and, instead of the OS loading, after an amount of time anywhere from 1/2 a second to 15 seconds, a "LI" (without quotes) displays at the top of the screen, and the machine does not go any further. I tried resetting the BIOS info, to no avail. I held down F8, but that affected nothing. Any ideas? - Ken kenzo@free-music.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFCCDC.E7ED4EC6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [TP570] Won't boot; displays "LI" on = screen

Have you tried booting from a bootable floppy disk? = It might be that your boot record on your hard drive is corrupt. = Booting from a floppy would help you determine that.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken [mailto:kenzo@free-music.com]
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 4:44 PM
To: Thinkpad list
Subject: [TP570] Won't boot; displays "LI" = on screen


I have a Thinkpad 570 that just stopped = working.

Upon boot, the Thinkpad screen displays, the RAM = available displays, no error shows up, single beep.  The screen = clears, and, instead of the OS loading, after an amount of time = anywhere from 1/2 a second to 15 seconds, a "LI" (without = quotes) displays at the top of the screen, and the machine does not go = any further.

I tried resetting the BIOS info, to no avail.  I = held down F8, but that affected nothing.

Any ideas?

- Ken
kenzo@free-music.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01BFCCDC.E7ED4EC6-- From cph Fri Jun 2 18:39:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA25542 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:39:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27514; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:37:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27366; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27353; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:37:04 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09440; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <393836F9.5C97607F@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 18:36:41 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken CC: Thinkpad list Subject: Re: [TP570] Won't boot; displays "LI" on screen References: <4.2.0.58.20000602173818.0240ac60@mail.ny.viant.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: That sounds like a bad LILO setup. Are you running Linux? "LI" is lilo's way of saying something is wrong. I've seen this happen when you install a new kernel and forget to run lilo. I believe lilo encodes actual disk blocks and such so it can load and configure the kernel. If you change files without running it again, its disk blocks can be incorrect. I would recommend booting Linux from a diskette and rerunning lilo. --Lee Hetherington From cph Fri Jun 2 19:22:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA25882 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 19:22:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00772; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 19:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 19:18:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00503; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 19:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00487; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 19:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 19:18:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26575 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:21:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:21:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [T20] Dual Displays (Win98SE) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I have some time today to play with my T20, and have some questions about running an external monitor. First, is is possible to have different schemes or wallpapers on each display? Currently they both show the same wallpaper, which looks odd since the screens are set to different resolutions. When I am away from the external monitor, sometimes applications open into nowhere and I have to move them over until they edge onto the LCD. I thought if I went into the Thinkpad Configuration tool I could shut down the external display, forcing everything onto the LCD. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. BTW my current video setup is as follows: LCD: 1024x768 @ 32bit color @ 'Optimal' setting External: 1280x1024 @ 16 bit color @ 85Hz The external is a Sony E500 21". The image is rock solid on both screens. For text I prefer looking at the LCD, images on the CRT. Thanks. -Mitch From cph Fri Jun 2 22:00:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA26742 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 22:00:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09986; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 21:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 21:55:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09800; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 21:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09786; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 21:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (216.227.56.41 -> mail-1.sjc.telocity.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 2 Jun 2000 21:55:45 -0400 Received: from dsl-216-227-14-85.chi.interchangedsl.com (dsl-216-227-14-85.chi.interchangedsl.com [216.227.14.85]) by mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA01602 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:55:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Stan Mocek To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: More than 24 meg memory on TP 7001C Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 21:01:23 -0500 Reply-To: mocek@azb.com Message-ID: <2npgjsc29obrd1alpk8j887i41o5c9rbg4@azb.com> References: <393746D8.C261C5F4@direct.ca> <200006021307.JAA03374@cs.utk.edu> In-Reply-To: <200006021307.JAA03374@cs.utk.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 06:08:06 -0400 (EDT), Lee Laniear wrote: >Several months ago there was much discussion about getting more than 24 meg of memory on a TP701 (by >replacing the 16 meg module with something larger). I've tried, a couple of times to buy the larger memory >module to no avail. If I go to a vendor on the web their list for the 701C doesn't show anything larger. I tried >going to Frye's in Los Angeles (Burbank) and gave them the specs they asked for what computer and said >that the 701C could not handle more than 16 meg and actually refused to sell it to me. So, here's my "final >question", where did any of you buy the additional memory. I'd like vendor who is online. Try: http://www.cdce.com That's where I got mine many years ago, and it appears they still stock the 32MB module for $89. -- Stan Mocek mocek@azb.com From cph Sat Jun 3 00:36:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA27491 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:36:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16825; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:31:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16691; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16678; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:31:06 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.124]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000603043103.TJUJ1605.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 04:31:03 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01bfcd13$f1810360$7c0e4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: 701 C/CS memory limit. Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 23:26:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. The 701 can easily handle 32 meg SO-DIMM memory with no problem. The max a 701 can go to is 40 meg with no soldering, 64 if one is willing to change the planer board memory, even more if one is willing to mess with the BIOS and plop 64 meg SO-DIMM in . The limit?, the theory is 128 megs can fit in the address limits, however I know of no one who has gone to the address limits. The SO-DIMM is standard, a 32 meg unit will work, just remember, it needs 4 k of reference memory. From cph Sat Jun 3 01:48:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA27816 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 01:48:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18876; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 01:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 01:44:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18728; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 01:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18713; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 01:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 01:44:39 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-45.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.45]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA08794 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 08:44:32 +0300 Message-Id: <200006030544.IAA08794@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 08:40:26 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [T20] Dual Displays (Win98SE) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zg List-Unsubscribe: I'm not sure if it would help in your case, but there's something that appears to be related at http://home.columbus.rr.com/luna/multimon.html There's also a multi-monitor FAQ at http://www.digitalroom.net/techpub/multimon.html HTH, Dominique On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 at 05:21 PM you, Mitchell Leben , said: >I have some time today to play with my T20, and have some questions about >running an external monitor. >First, is is possible to have different schemes or wallpapers on each >display? Currently they both show the same wallpaper, which looks odd >since the screens are set to different resolutions. From cph Sat Jun 3 10:10:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA29782 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:10:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10452; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:07:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10254; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10241; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:07:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06648; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 08:10:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 08:10:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Dominique Pivard cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [T20] Dual Displays (Win98SE) In-Reply-To: <200006030544.IAA08794@mail.clinet.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Dominique, Those pages got me close, no cigar. The page reads like it should work, but on my system it does not work as described. Oh well. On Sat, 3 Jun 2000, Dominique Pivard wrote: > I'm not sure if it would help in your case, but there's something that > appears to be related at http://home.columbus.rr.com/luna/multimon.html > > There's also a multi-monitor FAQ at > http://www.digitalroom.net/techpub/multimon.html > > HTH, Dominique > > On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 at 05:21 PM you, Mitchell Leben , > said: > > >I have some time today to play with my T20, and have some questions about > >running an external monitor. > > >First, is is possible to have different schemes or wallpapers on each > >display? Currently they both show the same wallpaper, which looks odd > >since the screens are set to different resolutions. > -- Mitchell Leben Owner of scan@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for film & print scanners. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe scan' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Sat Jun 3 10:41:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA30015 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:41:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11853; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:38:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11704; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11691; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:38:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (206.46.170.21 -> smtppop2pub.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:38:46 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop2.gte.net with SMTP ; id JAA6619470 Sat, 3 Jun 2000 09:39:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200006031439.JAA6619470@smtppop2.gte.net> To: Ken , Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 09:38:13 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: [TP570] Won't boot; displays "LI" on screen List-Unsubscribe: Addressed to: Ken Thinkpad List ** Reply to note from Ken Fri, 02 Jun 2000 17:43:44 -0400 > I have a Thinkpad 570 that just stopped working. > > Upon boot, the Thinkpad screen displays, the RAM available displays, no error > shows up, single beep. The screen clears, and, instead of the OS loading, > after an amount of time anywhere from 1/2 a second to 15 seconds, a "LI" > (without quotes) displays at the top of the screen, and the machine does not > go any further. That is LILO trying to load. If you wish to remove LILO from your MBR, boot >from a DOS boot disk that has FDISK on it and run FDISK /MBR This will rewrite the MBR. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 06/03/00, 09:38:11 From cph Sat Jun 3 11:28:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA30373 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 11:28:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14733; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 11:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 11:26:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14517; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 11:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toad.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14503; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 11:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toad.com (140.174.2.1 -> toad.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 11:26:33 -0400 Received: from machine4 (99.new-york-30-35rs.ny.dial-access.att.net [12.79.51.99]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22051 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 08:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000603112139.020284b0@mail.ny.viant.com> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: Kenzo's Useful Mail Client v3 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 11:25:58 -0400 To: Thinkpad List From: Ken Subject: Re: [TP570] Won't boot; displays "LI" on screen-FDISK /MBR In-Reply-To: <200006031439.JAA6619470@smtppop2.gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Thanks, I Lee Hetherington and Mark Davis for your LILO/Linux tip, (and to Greg Langham for the suggestion on isolating whether this was a boot record issue.) Indeed, this computer had previously been configured to dual boot to Linux and Windows by the previous owner. I'm not sure what went on with the machine during the transfer between the two owners, but I believe someone attempted to remove Linux. So, if I run FDISK /MBR, what state will that restore the MBR to? What will the machine try to boot to? Any thoughts as to why this only suddenly stopped working? Thanks! Ken kenzo@free-music.com > > Upon boot, the Thinkpad screen displays, the RAM available displays, no error > > shows up, single beep. The screen clears, and, instead of the OS loading, > > after an amount of time anywhere from 1/2 a second to 15 seconds, a "LI" > > (without quotes) displays at the top of the screen, and the machine does not > > go any further. > >That is LILO trying to load. If you wish to remove LILO from your MBR, boot >from a DOS boot disk that has FDISK on it and run > >FDISK /MBR > >This will rewrite the MBR. > >Mark in San Angelo >m.o.davis@gte.net >06/03/00, 09:38:11 From cph Sat Jun 3 12:47:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA30960 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:47:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19109; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:41:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18695; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18682; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:41:50 -0400 Received: from davidreid (tnt10-216-180-65-250.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.250]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with SMTP id e53GfmG20346 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 11:41:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003e01bfcd7a$870020e0$fa41b4d8@davidreid> From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: TP 770z - Partition allotment poor on new machine [ques] Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 11:37:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: This new 770z is partitioned by a (c:) of 2.xGB by (d:) of 11.xGB I thought I might get by with this but with c: down to 500MB, I've been forced to finish off my setup (SW installation) on d: This is apps alone, what little userdata I've transferred I've placed on d: I'm wondering that if I formatted, cleared the partitions then used this "quick restore" disk thing that IBM provides, that the partitioning might be reinstated by such process . . . comments? Anybody had any experience with partition tools such as Partition Magic or other similar applications? ______________ David Reid dwreid@hiwaay.net From cph Sat Jun 3 13:03:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA31071 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 13:03:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19956; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 13:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:59:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19710; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19697; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:59:13 -0400 Received: from davidreid (tnt10-216-180-65-250.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.250]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with SMTP id e53GxBG08766 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 11:59:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004101bfcd7c$f4c2a920$fa41b4d8@davidreid> From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: TP 770z - Ultrabay Zip drive, recommended supplier? Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 11:57:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: The company I ordered my TP from hasn't any Zip drive bays for my 770, anyone know of such a distributor? (because my existing library and backup sets are already made up of the Zips) Thanks List, ______________ David Reid dwreid@hiwaay.net From cph Sat Jun 3 14:36:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA31674 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 14:36:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24386; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 14:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 14:31:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24061; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 14:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24048; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 14:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (129.250.36.44 -> dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 14:31:05 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12yIhM-0001UL-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 03 Jun 2000 18:31:04 +0000 Received: from [209.107.90.90] (helo=STL) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12yIhL-0004Hr-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 03 Jun 2000 18:31:03 +0000 Message-ID: <012101bfcd8b$1aaf2f60$0a00a8c0@wwa.com> Reply-To: "Matt Winston" From: "Matt Winston" To: Subject: ThinkPaad 360PE Digitizer Driver Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 13:39:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011E_01BFCD61.315A8180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011E_01BFCD61.315A8180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't find the IBM digitizer driver for this unit. Installed Windows = 95, and Pen Services 2.0. Pen services default hardware choices don't = include the TP360PE, just Wacom Tablets, Concerto and Grid pc's. IBM has = one file posted on it's BBS for this unit, but it's a compressed file = with OS/2 drivers that Windows can't extract. Any help is appreciated. ------=_NextPart_000_011E_01BFCD61.315A8180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can't find the IBM digitizer driver for this = unit.=20 Installed Windows 95, and Pen Services 2.0. Pen services default = hardware=20 choices don't include the TP360PE, just Wacom Tablets, Concerto and Grid = pc's.=20 IBM has one file posted on it's BBS for this unit, but it's a compressed = file=20 with OS/2 drivers that Windows can't extract. Any help is=20 appreciated.
------=_NextPart_000_011E_01BFCD61.315A8180-- From cph Sat Jun 3 15:02:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA31833 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 15:02:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25898; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 15:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 14:57:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25632; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 14:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25619; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 14:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 14:57:38 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial26.auto-net.com [208.154.252.75]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15177 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 13:49:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <39397145.A878FE3C@iso.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 13:57:41 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPaad 360PE Digitizer Driver References: <012101bfcd8b$1aaf2f60$0a00a8c0@wwa.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030F9E20131E380B2D51C2B7" List-Unsubscribe: --------------030F9E20131E380B2D51C2B7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt, Go to and download ps20.exe from penwin or tagwerks. Works fine on the 360PE. You might want to explore all of Basterfield's pages, they are excellent. Bill Matt Winston wrote: > I can't find the IBM digitizer driver for this unit. > Installed Windows 95, and Pen Services 2.0. Pen services > default hardware choices don't include the TP360PE, just > Wacom Tablets, Concerto and Grid pc's. IBM has one file > posted on it's BBS for this unit, but it's a compressed > file with OS/2 drivers that Windows can't extract. Any > help is appreciated. --------------030F9E20131E380B2D51C2B7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt,

Go to <http://www.basterfield.com/tp730/w95/win95-2.htm>  and download ps20.exe from penwin or tagwerks.  Works fine on the 360PE.  You might want to explore all of Basterfield's pages, they are excellent.

Bill

Matt Winston wrote:

I can't find the IBM digitizer driver for this unit. Installed Windows 95, and Pen Services 2.0. Pen services default hardware choices don't include the TP360PE, just Wacom Tablets, Concerto and Grid pc's. IBM has one file posted on it's BBS for this unit, but it's a compressed file with OS/2 drivers that Windows can't extract. Any help is appreciated.
--------------030F9E20131E380B2D51C2B7-- From cph Sat Jun 3 16:51:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA32452 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 16:51:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01878; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 16:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 16:46:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01547; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 16:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01534; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 16:46:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (206.46.170.21 -> smtppop2pub.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 3 Jun 2000 16:46:02 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop2.gte.net with SMTP ; id PAA6843051 Sat, 3 Jun 2000 15:45:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200006032045.PAA6843051@smtppop2.gte.net> To: Ken , Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 15:44:46 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: [TP570] Won't boot; displays "LI" on screen-FDISK /MBR List-Unsubscribe: Addressed to: Ken Thinkpad List ** Reply to note from Ken Sat, 03 Jun 2000 11:25:58 -0400 > So, if I run FDISK /MBR, what state will that restore the MBR to? What will > the machine try to boot to? The machine will boot to the active primary partition on the hard disk, ie C:. > Any thoughts as to why this only suddenly stopped working? Nope. There is some info out there somewhere about what it means when LILO stops; it apparently means something different depending on which letter it stops on. I did a cursory Google search on this before I responded the first time but I couldn't find the info. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 06/03/00, 15:44:44 From cph Sun Jun 4 01:49:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA02674 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 01:49:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27902; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 01:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 01:42:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27548; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 01:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collide.evcom.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27534; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 01:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collide.evcom.net (216.10.32.7 -> collide.evcom.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 01:42:16 -0400 Received: from zothommog.evcom.net (root@zothommog.evcom.net [216.10.32.8]) by collide.evcom.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e545g9O14999 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 01:42:09 -0400 Received: from treco.net (mia-tcr7-112.dyn.evcom.net [216.10.44.112]) by zothommog.evcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA08329 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 01:42:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3939EC21.37D28DE0@treco.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 01:41:53 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad list Subject: standard floppies ?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: FWIW, I once tried a 2.88 floppy in a 701 type external floppy encloseure on one of my 770 machines.. it did not work.. i did NOT try it in the floppy box that slides into the ultrabay.. -- Live long and prosper, Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com thinkpads.com Open Forum http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? E-Mail: bill@thinkpads.com, morrow@treco.net From cph Sun Jun 4 02:10:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA02715 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:10:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29154; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:08:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29006; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collide.evcom.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28993; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collide.evcom.net (216.10.32.7 -> collide.evcom.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:08:15 -0400 Received: from zothommog.evcom.net (root@zothommog.evcom.net [216.10.32.8]) by collide.evcom.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5468AO16498; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:08:10 -0400 Received: from treco.net (mia-tcr7-112.dyn.evcom.net [216.10.44.112]) by zothommog.evcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA09716; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:08:09 -0400 Message-ID: <3939F228.9A52D2C2@treco.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 02:07:36 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad list , david reid Subject: 770Z partitioning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David.. 1. The recovery CD will restore the same partitioning or will divide the "D:" into several fat16 2gig partitions.. 2. get and use PQMagic.. it work very well 3. there is a utility with win98 that you should have on that machine.. it will convert the entire HDD to fat32 which is what you want.. since i have never used it, i don't know how it works, but reports are that it works fine.. one way (to fat32) only.. i hope this helps.. :-) -- Live long and prosper, Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com thinkpads.com Open Forum http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? E-Mail: bill@thinkpads.com, morrow@treco.net From cph Sun Jun 4 02:32:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA02760 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:32:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00519; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:30:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00367; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collide.evcom.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00354; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collide.evcom.net (216.10.32.7 -> collide.evcom.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:30:19 -0400 Received: from zothommog.evcom.net (root@zothommog.evcom.net [216.10.32.8]) by collide.evcom.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e546UFO17824; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:30:15 -0400 Received: from treco.net (mia-tcr7-112.dyn.evcom.net [216.10.44.112]) by zothommog.evcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA11002; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:30:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3939F769.C9AD29C6@treco.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 02:30:01 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad list , mocek@azb.com Subject: 701C max memory.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: FWIW.. 1. i have been selling the 32meg part for a 701C for YEARS..! 2. 32meg is the max upgrade part unless someone can tell me which 64meg part will work.. (note, the standard 64meg for the 765/560 series will work fine in the 365X series, though its not supposed to!) 3. EDO memory is going up in price, and the 701 (and 760,765, 560 and a bunch of others use EDO!) -- Live long and prosper, Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com thinkpads.com Open Forum http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? E-Mail: bill@thinkpads.com, morrow@treco.net From cph Sun Jun 4 02:38:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA02772 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:38:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00932; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:36:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00804; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00791; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:36:07 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl3-48.du.gate.net [199.227.136.48]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA43414; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:36:03 -0400 Message-ID: <3939F8D4.AA2BE42F@gate.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 02:36:05 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Armstrong CC: Mike Capone , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Dead battery References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the 4.8AH battery was standard in the 770Z and, i suppose, the X.. i have some 4.5AH batteries on hand, but i just never advertised them.. the diff is shorter recharge time and shorter run time on battery.. :-) FWIW, Extend makes a lot of stuff for thinkpads and other notebooks.. IBM does not allow others to make batteries for thinkpads until the model had reached EOP (end or prod) William Armstrong wrote: > Thanks, Mike. > > There are two differnt batteries listed there. One, IBM FRU #12J0433, is the > same listed at the IBM support site. The other, FRU #02K6508, shows the same > voltage, but 4.8AM vs 4.5AM. Any idea what the difference is? > > Bill Armstrong > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Capone [mailto:drgrant@ziplink.net] > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 1:25 PM > To: William Armstrong > Subject: RE: Dead battery > > http://www.centrix-intl.com > > has a bunch of these, or at least they did > the last time I checked... going for about $135 a pop... I bought > 2 of them... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: William Armstrong [mailto:warmstrong@waldinc.com] > > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 1:24 PM > > To: ThinkPad List > > Subject: Dead battery > > > > > > I seem to now have two, out of three, dead batteries for two TP770's. My > > usual suppliers (PC CONNECTION and NECX) do not have the 770 battery in > > stock, but PC CONNECTION has a battery for the 770 made by XTEND. Does > > anyone have any experience with this company, or a good source for an IBM > > TP770 battery? I think I own a couple of their Airplane/Car > > adpaters. which > > are OK. > > > > Thanks, > > Bill Armstrong > > > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Jun 4 02:43:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA02797 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:43:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01359; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:41:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01216; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01203; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:41:28 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl3-48.du.gate.net [199.227.136.48]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA43298; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:41:23 -0400 Message-ID: <3939FA15.51C53423@gate.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 02:41:25 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Reid CC: ThinkPad-L Subject: Re: TP 770 Where's the interface for my 8track tape player, ask the US Army..!! References: <005601bfcca4$94c4ede0$9642b4d8@davidreid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David.. you should also know that the US Army 75th Ranger Regiment, that bastion of obsolete junk, laughingly referred to as high tech weaponry, just LOVE their thinkpad 770 laptops.. yes, they DO use them and they consider the TP770 to be tough and sturdy.. David Reid wrote: > At the risk of sounding sarcastic to those who questioned my good > intentions in buying an obsolete, 770z . . . MAN! This is one > obsolete machine . . . the crisp, clean 14" display, whew, pathetic, > overall looks and "real" Thinkpad performance . . . outdated > beautifully, and the ruggedness??? . . . geesh could they not have > made this thing less sturdy??? guess that's what I get with an > obsolete machine. > > And the built in modem and microphone. . . with "full" duplex > speakerphone capablitliy . . . that sounds better than my high > dollar, external, USR modem on my desktop . . .plays music on hold . > . . OBSOLETE JUNK. > > Oh, and a real volume control knob like those "newer up to date > machines" . . . wait a minute, that ain't supposed to be on my new > obsolete machine. > > Infared on back . . . and front?? wouldn't that qualify as > obsolete??? > > Oh, and that sweet distinctive Thinkpad keyboard, eh, what can I say > . . . > > I LOVE IT > > Now . . . if I can just find the 8 track interface . . . . and > locate an obsolete Zip Drive for this thing. > > ______________ > David Reid > dwreid@hiwaay.net > > ps To those who encoraged me "not" to get this model, please don't > think that this is directed at you, this is merely posted in jest out > of my satisfaction with the recent purchase of this 770. Your recent > opinons and comments are still, highly valued. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Jun 4 04:54:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA03029 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 04:54:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09367; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 04:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 04:50:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09164; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 04:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09149; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 04:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 04:50:42 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10677; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 01:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <393A1806.99F20B2@stanford.edu> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 01:49:10 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: penzance@gate.net, ThinkPad-L Subject: Re: TP 770 toughness - not! References: <005601bfcca4$94c4ede0$9642b4d8@davidreid> <3939FA15.51C53423@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm surprised the Ranger Regiment is using office equipment; I take it the TPs are not brought into the field; there are a bunch of ruggedized laptops made for such use, and IBM is not one of the manufacturers. Panasonic is. Can't remember the others (Rocky?), but I recall reading a review of these, and one of the tests involved hosing down the laptop with water, then opening the CD drive to demonstrate the bone-dry CD inside. Oh, and the 3 foot concrete drop, and the drive-over-with-SUV (Panasonic invited the editors to use a Hummer) test too. Quite impressive. Not to knock Thinkpads - I too am an owner after all - but sturdy is very relative. Benjamin Bill Morrow wrote: > > David.. > you should also know that the US Army 75th Ranger Regiment, that bastion > of obsolete junk, laughingly referred to as high tech weaponry, just LOVE > their thinkpad 770 laptops.. > yes, they DO use them and they consider the TP770 to be tough and > sturdy.. > > David Reid wrote: > > > At the risk of sounding sarcastic to those who questioned my good > > intentions in buying an obsolete, 770z . . . MAN! This is one > > obsolete machine . . . the crisp, clean 14" display, whew, pathetic, > > overall looks and "real" Thinkpad performance . . . outdated > > beautifully, and the ruggedness??? . . . geesh could they not have > > made this thing less sturdy??? guess that's what I get with an > > obsolete machine. > > > > And the built in modem and microphone. . . with "full" duplex > > speakerphone capablitliy . . . that sounds better than my high > > dollar, external, USR modem on my desktop . . .plays music on hold . > > . . OBSOLETE JUNK. > > > > Oh, and a real volume control knob like those "newer up to date > > machines" . . . wait a minute, that ain't supposed to be on my new > > obsolete machine. > > > > Infared on back . . . and front?? wouldn't that qualify as > > obsolete??? > > > > Oh, and that sweet distinctive Thinkpad keyboard, eh, what can I say > > . . . > > > > I LOVE IT > > > > Now . . . if I can just find the 8 track interface . . . . and > > locate an obsolete Zip Drive for this thing. > > > > ______________ > > David Reid > > dwreid@hiwaay.net > > > > ps To those who encoraged me "not" to get this model, please don't > > think that this is directed at you, this is merely posted in jest out > > of my satisfaction with the recent purchase of this 770. Your recent > > opinons and comments are still, highly valued. > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (68k/PPC) or PC without IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Sun Jun 4 08:21:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA12858 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 08:21:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26382; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 08:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 08:17:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26207; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 08:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26186; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 08:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.103 -> pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 08:17:23 -0400 Received: from rpk (KGTNB106-23.splitrock.net [209.253.201.222]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA28778 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 08:17:21 -0400 Message-ID: <005901bfce1f$038acf80$dec9fdd1@rpk> From: "RPKnorr" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: External Speaker System Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 08:18:37 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I have a TP385 with external headphone jack.How do I go about hooking up a decent speaker system to this jack? Thanks in advance Russ Knorr From cph Sun Jun 4 10:25:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA13206 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 10:25:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01970; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 10:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 10:21:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01817; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 10:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demai05.mw.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01804; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 10:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demai05.mw.mediaone.net (24.131.1.56 -> demai05.mw.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 10:21:11 -0400 Received: from windows (nic-30-c92-210.mw.mediaone.net [24.30.92.210]) by demai05.mw.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA19315 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 10:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000e01bfce30$47e97ee0$d25c1e18@mw.mediaone.net> From: "Starr" To: Subject: TP600 vs T20 Keyboard Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 10:22:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: In the latest issure of PC Magazine, the T20 is briefly reviewed. One comment of interest is that the T20 keyboard isn't quite as good as the TP600 keyboard. Anyone have any experience comparing the two to agree or disagree with PC Mag. Allan Starr From cph Sun Jun 4 11:19:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA13445 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:19:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04479; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:16:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04360; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04347; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (216.100.248.113 -> adsl-216-100-248-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:16:49 -0400 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcp4.cinnamon.com [192.0.2.132]) by cinnamon.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA15960; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 08:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <393A72DC.91880AA@ricochet.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 08:16:44 -0700 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Strauss CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: TP770 - video out to TV References: <003f01bfccb8$28816280$c68f0118@msnv1.occa.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well, you either want to use the video out or the s-video, not both. And you're going to need to hook the audio up. I've used my 770ED as an extremely expensive DVD player with the regular video output and audio cables into my tv. Joe Strauss wrote: > Hello, > I am a new participant in this group. I have recently acquired a Thinkpad > 770 (from my boss, he got a brand new Sony laptop). It is running Window 98. > I am trying to get the video out to TV working. I have the "DVD and enhanced > video adapter" installed. I have downloaded all the latest drivers. I have > all the hardware hooked up (video out cable, s-video cable to TV). I follow > the instuctions in the manual to set it up, but nothing comes on the TV. > For now, I am trying to just see the laptop desktop on the TV. Then I would > like to see DVD movies on the TV (running SoftDVD). > > Please help! > > Thanks. From cph Sun Jun 4 12:46:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA13936 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:46:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09292; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:44:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09043; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09030; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:44:09 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA07922; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:43:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "David Reid" , "ThinkPad-L" Subject: RE: TP 770z - Partition allotment poor on new machine [ques] Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:43:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003e01bfcd7a$870020e0$fa41b4d8@davidreid> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Zillions of people have used Partition Magic. It works great. It even has a utility to change the drive letters of software you've already installed. (I haven't tried that utility myself, only the standard partition resizing stuff.) You could either use that, or else use the recovery disk and then expand the C: partition before reinstalling software. Go to www.powerquest.com and you can get started from there... -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: David Reid [mailto:dwreid@hiwaay.net] > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 9:37 AM > To: ThinkPad-L > Subject: TP 770z - Partition allotment poor on new machine [ques] > > > This new 770z is partitioned by a (c:) of 2.xGB by (d:) of 11.xGB > > I thought I might get by with this but with c: down to 500MB, I've > been forced to finish off my setup (SW installation) on d: This is > apps alone, what little userdata I've transferred I've placed on d: > > I'm wondering that if I formatted, cleared the partitions then used > this "quick restore" disk thing that IBM provides, that the > partitioning might be reinstated by such process . . . comments? > > Anybody had any experience with partition tools such as Partition > Magic or other similar applications? > > ______________ > David Reid > dwreid@hiwaay.net > > > From cph Sun Jun 4 12:48:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA13944 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:48:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09577; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:46:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09412; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09399; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:46:54 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA15500; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:46:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "David Reid" , "ThinkPad-L" Subject: RE: TP 770z - Ultrabay Zip drive, recommended supplier? Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:46:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <004101bfcd7c$f4c2a920$fa41b4d8@davidreid> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: PC Connection (www.pcconnection.com) has them in stock. Search for "thinkpad zip". They are as reliable a supplier as you can find, although you can often find lower prices elsewhere. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: David Reid [mailto:dwreid@hiwaay.net] > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 9:58 AM > To: ThinkPad-L > Subject: TP 770z - Ultrabay Zip drive, recommended supplier? > > > The company I ordered my TP from hasn't any Zip drive bays for my > 770, anyone know of such a distributor? > > (because my existing library and backup sets are already made up of > the Zips) > > Thanks List, > ______________ > David Reid > dwreid@hiwaay.net > > > From cph Sun Jun 4 13:14:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA14103 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:14:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10901; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:12:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10741; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10727; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:12:07 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA07254; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:12:01 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA00862; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000604100404.00a22c10@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 10:05:47 -0700 To: "Starr" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP600 vs T20 Keyboard In-Reply-To: <000e01bfce30$47e97ee0$d25c1e18@mw.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 10:22 AM 6/4/00 -0400, you wrote: >In the latest issure of PC Magazine, the T20 is briefly reviewed. One >comment of interest is that the T20 keyboard isn't quite as good as the >TP600 keyboard. Anyone have any experience comparing the two to agree or >disagree with PC Mag. > >Allan Starr I disagree. The only difference I can see/feel is that the TP600 keyboard I have is more "broken in". Other than that, the T20 and TP600 keyboards seem, to me (and I'm rather picky), to be basically identical in feel. - Randy From cph Sun Jun 4 13:31:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA14196 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:31:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12107; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:29:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11922; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m12.boston.juno.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11908; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:29:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from m12.boston.juno.com (63.211.172.75 -> m12.boston.juno.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:29:16 -0400 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"JeZxjJsS3wcTbsxnIWe7vxGZSuvRss7O+vx24UhU/i5/0AFdsBndOA=="> Received: (from billludlow@juno.com) by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id E9Q3NH73; Sun, 04 Jun 2000 13:28:47 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:12:38 -0400 Subject: AM IN NEED OF A PCMCIA CABLE Message-ID: <20000604.143335.-4107037.2.billludlow@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 List-Unsubscribe: Need help. I am in need of a PCMCIA cable that will work with a Panasonic CD ROM player, model KXL-D720. This is a CD ROM SCSI designed to work with thinkpads. Any help I could obtain would be much appreciated. Thanks. BILL LUDLOW LANSING, MICH. From cph Sun Jun 4 13:33:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA14211 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:33:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12404; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:31:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12251; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12238; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:31:24 -0400 Received: from wald5 (adsl-141-155-114-109.bellatlantic.net [141.155.114.109]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA19286 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:31:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: RE: TP 770z - Partition allotment poor on new machine [ques] Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:32:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Partition Magic utility to change drive letters works great for most things, although I couldn't quite figure how to use it to move MS Office with it's multiple apps. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Geary [mailto:Mike@Geary.com] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 12:44 PM To: David Reid; ThinkPad-L Subject: RE: TP 770z - Partition allotment poor on new machine [ques] Zillions of people have used Partition Magic. It works great. It even has a utility to change the drive letters of software you've already installed. (I haven't tried that utility myself, only the standard partition resizing stuff.) You could either use that, or else use the recovery disk and then expand the C: partition before reinstalling software. Go to www.powerquest.com and you can get started from there... -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: David Reid [mailto:dwreid@hiwaay.net] > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 9:37 AM > To: ThinkPad-L > Subject: TP 770z - Partition allotment poor on new machine [ques] > > > This new 770z is partitioned by a (c:) of 2.xGB by (d:) of 11.xGB > > I thought I might get by with this but with c: down to 500MB, I've > been forced to finish off my setup (SW installation) on d: This is > apps alone, what little userdata I've transferred I've placed on d: > > I'm wondering that if I formatted, cleared the partitions then used > this "quick restore" disk thing that IBM provides, that the > partitioning might be reinstated by such process . . . comments? > > Anybody had any experience with partition tools such as Partition > Magic or other similar applications? > > ______________ > David Reid > dwreid@hiwaay.net > > > From cph Sun Jun 4 14:41:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA14604 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:41:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16080; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:38:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15890; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15877; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (24.1.227.2 -> cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:38:56 -0400 Received: (from rutledge@localhost) by cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id LAA15224; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:38:54 -0700 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:38:54 -0700 From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" To: billludlow@juno.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: AM IN NEED OF A PCMCIA CABLE Message-ID: <20000604113854.D1551@electron.quantum.int> References: <20000604.143335.-4107037.2.billludlow@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20000604.143335.-4107037.2.billludlow@juno.com>; from billludlow@juno.com on Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 02:12:38PM -0400 List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 02:12:38PM -0400, billludlow@juno.com wrote: > Need help. I am in need of a PCMCIA cable that will work with a Panasonic > CD ROM player, model KXL-D720. This is a CD ROM SCSI designed to work > with thinkpads. Any help I could obtain would be much appreciated. > Thanks. Ironically enough I think I saw one of those on ebay while I was looking for a NIC for my 730T. It was Panasonic too. :-) Look under computers/hardware/notebooks/PCMCIA cards. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 From cph Sun Jun 4 19:49:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA16074 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:49:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18493; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:45:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18276; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18262; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:45:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02585; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 17:48:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 17:48:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Randal Whittle cc: Starr , TP List Subject: Re: TP600 vs T20 Keyboard In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000604100404.00a22c10@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Randal, Have you experienced any sticking keys or other odd behaviour? Let me see if I can explain this properly... Several times a day I find myself 'popping' the keys. After a while I realized that my finger is getting beneath an adjacent key and actually lifting the key away from the keyboard. No keys have come off yet. Try this. Press and hold the 'J' key. Slide your finger forward to the 'U' key. Does the tip of your finger catch the sharp bottom edge of the 'U' key? I must be a sloppy typist, eh? Still, I am curious to see if my keyboard is built the same as the others. Thanks for your time. -Mitch On Sun, 4 Jun 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > I disagree. The only difference I can see/feel is that the TP600 > keyboard I have is more "broken in". > > Other than that, the T20 and TP600 keyboards seem, to me (and I'm > rather picky), to be basically identical in feel. > > - Randy > -- Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Sun Jun 4 20:07:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA16196 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:07:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19601; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:05:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19466; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19453; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:05:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02958; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 18:08:30 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 18:08:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Randal Whittle cc: Starr , TP List Subject: Re: TP600 vs T20 Keyboard In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000604100404.00a22c10@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: A picture is worth a thousand words. Here are three thousand words worth... Showing the J key pressed and how my finger can slide under the U key: http://www.leben.com/~mitch/temp/t20keys/000604-1849-001.jpg A business card pressing down the J and sliding under the U: http://www.leben.com/~mitch/temp/t20keys/000604-1850-003.jpg Another view of the business card trick: http://www.leben.com/~mitch/temp/t20keys/000604-1850-004.jpg On Sun, 4 Jun 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > Other than that, the T20 and TP600 keyboards seem, to me (and I'm > rather picky), to be basically identical in feel. -Mitch --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Sun Jun 4 20:55:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA16456 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:55:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22719; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:52:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22561; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22548; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:52:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:52:12 -0400 Received: from default ([12.72.192.52]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000605005210.GVPS1605.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@default>; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:52:10 +0000 Message-ID: <393ACF69.C8C@att.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 17:51:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mitchell Leben CC: Randal Whittle , Starr , TP List Subject: Re: TP600 vs T20 Keyboard References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mitchell Leben wrote: > > Randal, > > Have you experienced any sticking keys or other odd behaviour? > > Let me see if I can explain this properly... > > Several times a day I find myself 'popping' the keys. After a while I > realized that my finger is getting beneath an adjacent key and actually > lifting the key away from the keyboard. No keys have come off yet. > > Try this. Press and hold the 'J' key. Slide your finger forward to the 'U' > key. Does the tip of your finger catch the sharp bottom edge of the 'U' > key? > > I must be a sloppy typist, eh? Still, I am curious to see if my keyboard > is built the same as the others. > > Thanks for your time. > > -Mitch > > On Sun, 4 Jun 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > I disagree. The only difference I can see/feel is that the TP600 > > keyboard I have is more "broken in". > > > > Other than that, the T20 and TP600 keyboards seem, to me (and I'm > > rather picky), to be basically identical in feel. > > > > - Randy > > > > -- > Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing > mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send > http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com Yep I've slipped under the keys a couple of times, but it hasnt been that big of a problem for me... I think we might be getting a bit too picky with these things... there really isnt a way to tell if there is a variance in these keyboards (perhaps due to country of manufacture or date of construction) because all we have is our own machine in front of us... I think at the end of the day the IBM keyboard is so good that it attracts perfectionists like us... of course if I pop one of the keys off one of these days I will have a different tune to sing ;) Andrew From cph Sun Jun 4 22:57:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA17055 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 22:57:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00258; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 22:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 22:54:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00080; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 22:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00067; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 22:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (24.2.8.66 -> ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 22:54:30 -0400 Received: from cx792194b ([24.1.143.198]) by mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <20000605025424.DVXG13133.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@cx792194b>; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:54:24 -0700 Message-ID: <007d01bfce99$6ed145b0$c68f0118@msnv1.occa.home.com> From: "Joe Strauss" To: "Andrew Scott Beals" Cc: "Thinkpad" References: <003f01bfccb8$28816280$c68f0118@msnv1.occa.home.com> <393A72DC.91880AA@ricochet.net> Subject: Re: TP770 - video out to TV Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:54:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: By video out cable, I mean the little adapter cable that you then plug the S-Video cable into. And, yes, I have the sound working. Just not the video. Joe. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Scott Beals To: Joe Strauss Cc: Thinkpad Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 8:16 AM Subject: Re: TP770 - video out to TV > Well, you either want to use the video out or the s-video, not both. And you're > going to need to hook the audio up. > > I've used my 770ED as an extremely expensive DVD player with the regular video > output and audio cables into my tv. > > Joe Strauss wrote: > > > Hello, > > I am a new participant in this group. I have recently acquired a Thinkpad > > 770 (from my boss, he got a brand new Sony laptop). It is running Window 98. > > I am trying to get the video out to TV working. I have the "DVD and enhanced > > video adapter" installed. I have downloaded all the latest drivers. I have > > all the hardware hooked up (video out cable, s-video cable to TV). I follow > > the instuctions in the manual to set it up, but nothing comes on the TV. > > For now, I am trying to just see the laptop desktop on the TV. Then I would > > like to see DVD movies on the TV (running SoftDVD). > > > > Please help! > > > > Thanks. > From cph Sun Jun 4 23:17:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA17128 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:17:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02237; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:16:04 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02091; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:16:03 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id XAA27052 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25001; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:23:12 -0400 Received: from uniblab (uniblab [146.88.9.146]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA04051 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003101bfce8c$7c236160$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: "TP List" References: <393ACF69.C8C@att.net> Subject: Re: TP600 vs T20 Keyboard Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:22:15 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: > > Have you experienced any sticking keys or other odd behaviour? > > > > Let me see if I can explain this properly... > > -Mitch >From your first picture worth 1000 words it looks like your keyboard maybe has more travel than my 600X. It looks like the "J" key drops down below the "U" key further than I can get mine to. > Yep I've slipped under the keys a couple of times, but it hasnt been > that big of a problem for me... I think we might be getting a bit too > picky with these things... > Andrew I thought that's what being a nerd was all about?? Bob :-) From cph Sun Jun 4 23:39:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA17255 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:39:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03505; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:36:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03359; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03346; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.101 -> pilot001.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:36:44 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm456-04.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.62]) by pilot001.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA36564 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:36:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000604233507.00daf9c0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 23:36:58 -0400 To: "TP List" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: TP600 vs T20 Keyboard In-Reply-To: <003101bfce8c$7c236160$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> References: <393ACF69.C8C@att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I have this happen on my ThinkPad 1480 i some; I tried the J slipping under the U and I can make that happen. Curiously, my 1451 i doesn't do that. However, I think I prefer the 1480's keyboard; it has a slightly different action to it and I think I like that even more than the 1451--and the 51 is a very decent keyboard. --STeve Andre' At 07:22 PM 6/4/00 -0600, Bob Greschke wrote: > > > Have you experienced any sticking keys or other odd behaviour? > > > > > > Let me see if I can explain this properly... > > > -Mitch > > >From your first picture worth 1000 words it looks like your keyboard maybe >has more travel than my 600X. It looks like the "J" key drops down below >the "U" key further than I can get mine to. > > > Yep I've slipped under the keys a couple of times, but it hasnt been > > that big of a problem for me... I think we might be getting a bit too > > picky with these things... > > Andrew > >I thought that's what being a nerd was all about?? > >Bob :-) From cph Mon Jun 5 01:32:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA17811 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:32:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09640; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:29:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09448; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09435; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:29:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA07132 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:33:02 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:33:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: TP List Subject: Re: TP600 vs T20 Keyboard In-Reply-To: <393ACF69.C8C@att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Mixed answers from six or seven T20 owners. Some people can get under their keys, some cannot. I'll mention this to IBM next time I call and see what they have to say. Thanks for the varied feedback. If I have a bum keyboard, it is not the only one. On Sun, 4 Jun 2000 ajwells@att.net wrote: > Yep I've slipped under the keys a couple of times, but it hasnt been > that big of a problem for me... I think we might be getting a bit too -- Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Mon Jun 5 02:00:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA17884 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:00:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11010; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:55:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10770; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.cats.ohiou.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10757; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.cats.ohiou.edu (132.235.8.44 -> oak.cats.ohiou.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:55:52 -0400 Received: from daveb (s3212.south-green.ohiou.edu [132.235.155.212]) by oak.cats.ohiou.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA09143 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Dave W. Beauvais" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: (Off-topic) Quick question Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:55:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Is anyone else getting messages from time to time that have dates several days old? Tonight, I got one with a date of May 23rd. It's not a huge deal, but since I keep quite a few of the posts from the list, such messages get buried among other postings. This is the only list this happens to, which is why I ask. Just curious. Dave From cph Mon Jun 5 02:19:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA17926 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:19:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12288; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:15:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11961; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11948; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:15:19 -0400 Received: from davidreidmob (tnt10-216-180-65-102.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.102]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with SMTP id e556FGG10673; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:15:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005201bfceb5$5fc1c4c0$6641b4d8@davidreidmob> From: "David Reid" To: Cc: "ThinkPad-L" References: Subject: Re: (Off-topic) Quick question Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:14:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Havent gotten any old posts, however, there were some duplication posts >from a couple of guys who replied to my partitioning and zip drive questions earlier. Mr. Morrow's reply was duplicated as was one of the others. The list owner must have told the server that tommorrow, unlike last Monday, will be an official workday so the server threw a slight temper tantrum :) I know I would but tomorrow's a state holiday for me . . . I'll be stompin' my foot tomorrow night :) dave ps, now that I think about it, the duplication may be a result of my email client. As I am on my notebook at the time of recieving those posts, and I have my notebook email client set "not" to delete mail from the server, I may have just downloaded two copies of those posts . . . go figure ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave W. Beauvais" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 12:55 AM Subject: (Off-topic) Quick question > Is anyone else getting messages from time to time that have dates several > days old? Tonight, I got one with a date of May 23rd. It's not a huge > deal, but since I keep quite a few of the posts from the list, such > messages get buried among other postings. This is the only list this > happens to, which is why I ask. Just curious. > > Dave > From cph Mon Jun 5 02:56:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA18032 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:56:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14149; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:52:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13942; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.ls.xz.cn (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13924; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.ls.xz.cn (202.98.224.111 -> public.ls.xz.cn) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:52:33 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer.public.ls.xz.cn (sfr-tgn-sfs-vty8.as.wcom.net [216.192.38.8]) by public.ls.xz.cn (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA25534 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:48:52 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000605015120.00b72cb0@public.ls.xz.cn> X-Sender: plateau@public.ls.xz.cn X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 01:51:38 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: John McKay Subject: subscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: subscribe From cph Mon Jun 5 09:00:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA19664 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:00:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13788; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:57:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13553; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13540; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:57:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA12934; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:57:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:57:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: rudolph wratten cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 C/CS memory limit. In-Reply-To: <000f01bfcd13$f1810360$7c0e4a0c@701c> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, rudolph wratten wrote: > The SO-DIMM is standard, a 32 meg unit will work, just remember, it > needs 4 k of reference memory. > What is "reference memory"? Thanks, Bruce From cph Mon Jun 5 10:23:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA20287 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:23:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21422; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:20:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21162; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.ls.xz.cn (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21129; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.ls.xz.cn (202.98.224.111 -> public.ls.xz.cn) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:20:11 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer.public.ls.xz.cn (sfr-tgn-sfx-vty22.as.wcom.net [216.192.42.22]) by public.ls.xz.cn (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA02069 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:16:53 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000605091304.00b93980@public.ls.xz.cn> X-Sender: plateau@public.ls.xz.cn X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 09:19:39 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: John McKay Subject: 770X Boots X2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: thinkpads, I was told to send this problem to this address. Someone might have some insight or advice. The units been to ez-serve for this. When it returned the 1st boot was normal. The next morning the 2 boot sequence started again. I spend most of the year outside the US so I am anxious to fix any potential problems while here. Here's what just happened. power on ram check upper left corner; IBM logo upper right; Thinkpad lower left loud beep check A drive ram check and logo disappear small horizontal cursor about 2" down from top on left screen goes blank 1 soft error beep pause 1 soft error beep screen goes black pause ram check upper left; IBM logo upper right; Thinkpad lower left loud beep check A drive ram check and logo disappear small horizontal cursor System Commander copyright box System Commander selection Win 98 I've also tried it with System Commander disabled with same result. If I exit the bios setup window with the "Restart" selection it DOES NOT boot 2 times. Any ideas? Regards, John From cph Mon Jun 5 11:12:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA20724 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:12:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25230; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:08:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25068; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25053; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:08:55 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26088; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <393BC266.A6A9817E@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 11:08:22 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John McKay CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770X Boots X2 References: <4.3.1.0.20000605091304.00b93980@public.ls.xz.cn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I believe this double boot happens on the first boot after changing settings in the ThinkPad Configuration program and/or power savings settings. At least that has been my experience with a 600. --Lee Hetherington From cph Mon Jun 5 11:56:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA21005 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:56:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29519; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:51:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29219; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.ne.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29206; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.ne.home.com (24.2.4.66 -> ha1.rdc1.ne.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:51:52 -0400 Received: from pacbell.net ([24.19.142.232]) by mail.rdc1.ne.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000605155150.IIGE20993.mail.rdc1.ne.home.com@pacbell.net> for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:51:50 -0700 Message-ID: <393BCCF1.50BC586@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 08:53:22 -0700 From: Joe Suttle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Think Pad List Subject: Re: More than 24 meg memory on TP 7001C References: <393746D8.C261C5F4@direct.ca> <200006021307.JAA03374@cs.utk.edu> <2npgjsc29obrd1alpk8j887i41o5c9rbg4@azb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have been running 40 megs for almost two years now, along with a 3.1G HD. Got the memory from LA Memory - check the little ads in PC World or PC Magazine. Can't remember where I got the HD, but it was a good price (then) and came with the carrier. -- Joe Suttle * IBM Warp Certified System Expert joesuttle@attglobal.net Hercules, California +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ There is no limit to what a man can do or where he can go if he doesn't care who gets the credit. - Ronald Reagan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Using the power | Warp 4, Warp Server for e-business, Netscape 4.6, of OS/2 | Domino Go WebServer, Internet Gate, SmartSuite OS/2 and Linux | Red Hat, Communicator From cph Mon Jun 5 12:01:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21073 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:01:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00016; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:57:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29798; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop2.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29783; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop2.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.2 -> sttlpop2.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:57:53 -0400 Received: (qmail 58444 invoked by alias); 5 Jun 2000 15:57:51 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 58432 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2000 15:57:51 -0000 Received: from sttl6400gw3poolc81.sttl.uswest.net (HELO jmcjr) (63.225.175.81) by sttlpop2.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Jun 2000 15:57:51 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000605085903.0094d100@pop.sttl.uswest.net> X-Sender: jmcjr@pop.sttl.uswest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 08:59:03 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: John Callahan Subject: DVD Decoder for TP 600E In-Reply-To: <200005251431.RAA15092@mail.clinet.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Today I tried to play a DVD on my ThinkPad 600E. I found that I do not have a DVD decoder installed. Does anyone have a suggestion for DVD decoder software to use on the 600E and a source where I could obtain the software? Thinks in advance John Callahan From cph Mon Jun 5 13:01:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21570 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:01:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05996; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:57:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05683; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05663; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:57:37 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA04914; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:57:35 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA03731; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000605094445.009f0500@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 09:57:23 -0700 To: John Callahan , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: DVD Decoder for TP 600E In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000605085903.0094d100@pop.sttl.uswest.net> References: <200005251431.RAA15092@mail.clinet.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:59 AM 6/5/00 -0700, you wrote: >Today I tried to play a DVD on my ThinkPad 600E. > >I found that I do not have a DVD decoder installed. > >Does anyone have a suggestion for DVD decoder software to use on the >600E and a source where I could obtain the software? Although my T20 came with IBM's/Mediamatics' DVD software, I'm looking forward to getting MGI Software's Soft DVD MAX. Supposedly one of the best--the feature set shows a pretty wide set of features, including playing Karaoke CD's (almost *impossible* to find software that does this!). Take a look at www.mgisoft.com. - Randy From cph Mon Jun 5 13:01:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21574 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:01:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05992; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:57:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05703; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05661; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:57:37 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JQ8RIM2LU88X2XBB@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:00:49 CST Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 12:00:48 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Another excellent *steal from MS To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: For $99 here's what you will get. 1) Office 2000 Premium edition 2) Office 2000 Channel Essentials is a self-paced, computer-based training course with online mentoring that is designed to teach you the key elementsof deploying and administering Microsoft. Office 2000. The course covers the following topics: Deployment and Administration New Features for Beginning Users New Features for Power Users 3) Sales tools cd (READ: HOW TO SELL MORE OFFICE 2000 & make Microsoft richer. 4) When you pass the assessment exam (which you can take as many times as you like) Microsoft will send you a certificate and a T-Shirt in recognition of your knowledge of Office 2000 (great for the KIDS to put in their resume) Interested ??: http://www.microsoft.com/directaccess/Training/sales/hotkit/officehotkit.asp OF course for those who missed the below INCREDIBLE DEAL, it seems like it is still on !! FOR only $129 you get 1) win 2000 pro edition 2) win 2000 advanced server 3) online training classes & kit 4) pass an exam to get cert & t shirt http://www.microsoft.com/directaccess/training/sales/hotkit/win2000.asp AGAIN PLEASE NOTE THAT I DO NOT PROFIT A SINGLE CENT FROM THIS> JUST DOING SOME SERVICE TO ALL GOOD FELLAS IN THIS LIST THAT HAS BEEN HELPING EACH OTHER OUT EVER SINCE. :) From cph Mon Jun 5 13:04:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21591 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:04:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06513; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:01:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06365; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06349; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:01:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA66578; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:02:02 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:02:02 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Randal Whittle cc: John Callahan , TP List Subject: Re: DVD Decoder for TP 600E In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000605094445.009f0500@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > At 08:59 AM 6/5/00 -0700, you wrote: > > >Today I tried to play a DVD on my ThinkPad 600E. > > > >I found that I do not have a DVD decoder installed. > > > >Does anyone have a suggestion for DVD decoder software to use on the > >600E and a source where I could obtain the software? > > > Although my T20 came with IBM's/Mediamatics' DVD software, I'm > looking forward to getting MGI Software's Soft DVD MAX. > > Supposedly one of the best--the feature set shows a pretty wide > set of features, including playing Karaoke CD's (almost *impossible* to > find software that does this!). > > Take a look at www.mgisoft.com. Soft DVDMax is junk too. PowerDVD from Cyberlink is the best one currently besides WinDVD. www.cyberlink.com.tw Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Mon Jun 5 13:06:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21600 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:06:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06954; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:04:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06735; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06722; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:04:42 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA08855; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:04:40 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA07769; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000605100306.00a35bc0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 10:04:31 -0700 To: Jon , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Another excellent *steal from MS In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 12:00 PM 6/5/00 -0600, you wrote: >FOR only $129 you get > >1) win 2000 pro edition > >2) win 2000 advanced server > >3) online training classes & kit > >4) pass an exam to get cert & t shirt > >http://www.microsoft.com/directaccess/training/sales/hotkit/win2000.asp Please also note that when you get this, you get a bare-bones (though very attractive) binder with almost a *zero* documentation. Its a good deal, but plan on spending another $20 to $40 at the bookstore to buy a good book on Win2K. From cph Mon Jun 5 13:08:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21611 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:08:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07277; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:06:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06917; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06886; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:06:09 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA09562; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:06:08 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA08525; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000605100452.009ef600@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 10:05:53 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: DVD Decoder for TP 600E In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000605094445.009f0500@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 07:02 AM 6/5/00 -1000, you wrote: > > Although my T20 came with IBM's/Mediamatics' DVD software, I'm > > looking forward to getting MGI Software's Soft DVD MAX. > Soft DVDMax is junk too. PowerDVD from Cyberlink is the best one >currently besides WinDVD. www.cyberlink.com.tw And your criteria for calling it "junk" would be what exactly? Feel free to criticize, but at least have some kind of logical basis for it. Right now you're just hurling insults and not backing them up. From cph Mon Jun 5 13:14:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21670 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:14:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08141; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:12:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07938; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07910; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:12:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA66718; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:13:00 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:13:00 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List Subject: Re: DVD Decoder for TP 600E In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000605100452.009ef600@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > At 07:02 AM 6/5/00 -1000, you wrote: > > > Although my T20 came with IBM's/Mediamatics' DVD software, I'm > > > looking forward to getting MGI Software's Soft DVD MAX. > > > > Soft DVDMax is junk too. PowerDVD from Cyberlink is the best one > >currently besides WinDVD. www.cyberlink.com.tw > > > And your criteria for calling it "junk" would be what exactly? > > Feel free to criticize, but at least have some kind of logical > basis for it. Right now you're just hurling insults and not backing them up. Read the reviews on the newsgroups and on www.inmatrix.com. Currently, WinDVD, PowerDVD and anything based on Cinemaster is the only good thing available. It's not something that needs to be backed up since it's almost like Bose being a good stereo system, anyone who knows audio knows that Bose is nothing more than marketing. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Mon Jun 5 13:18:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21693 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:18:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08838; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:16:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08549; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MERCURY.SIGMADATA.COM (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08536; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MERCURY.SIGMADATA.COM (12.6.229.226 -> mail.sigmadata.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:16:09 -0400 Received: by MERCURY with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:18:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1777E5CBD1C1D1118BE100600895FFFA5D6A5D@MERCURY> From: Skip Johnson To: "Thinkpad@Cs. Utk. Edu" Subject: A & T series HDD's Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:18:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I am still (impatiently) awaiting delivery of my A20 I ordered. I recently bought a 12GB drive for my older TP 600. Will I be able to use this in the new A20 series? I've heard that the drives are close in size and that the pull tab is missing on the A & T's. Will the drives >from a 600 fit in to the A's without removing the tab? Skip Johnson Sigma Data (603) 526-7100 ext. 119 skip.johnson@sigmadata.com http://www.sigmadata.com From cph Mon Jun 5 13:21:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21738 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:21:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09361; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:18:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08995; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08977; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:18:18 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA02944; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:18:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "David Reid" Cc: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: Why you get duplicate replies Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:18:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <005201bfceb5$5fc1c4c0$6641b4d8@davidreidmob> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > Havent gotten any old posts, however, there were some duplication posts > from a couple of guys who replied to my partitioning and zip > drive questions > earlier. Mr. Morrow's reply was duplicated as was one of the others. That's very common. You will get two copies of this message as well. When people reply to a message in the list, they often use "Reply to All", which sends copies of the email both to the original sender and to the mailing list. So you get one copy that's sent directly to you, and one copy that the list forwarded. If you look at the message headers, the two messages will reflect this. > ps, now that I think about it, the duplication may be a result of my email > client. As I am on my notebook at the time of recieving those posts, and I > have my notebook email client set "not" to delete mail from the server, I > may have just downloaded two copies of those posts . . . go figure Nope, that's not it. Your email client keeps track of which messages it's downloaded from the server, even if you are not deleting the messages from the server. Sometimes this will get out of whack and you'll get duplicate messages, but then you will get a bunch of duplicates--all the messages the server still has in its file--not just a few. -Mike From cph Mon Jun 5 13:21:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21745 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:21:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09604; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:19:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09184; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09170; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:19:04 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JQ8SA8YOLW8X359V@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:22:18 CST Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 12:22:18 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Re: Another excellent *steal from MS In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.20000605100306.00a35bc0@127.0.0.1> To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > Please also note that when you get this, you get a bare-bones > (though very attractive) binder with almost a *zero* documentation. > > Its a good deal, but plan on spending another $20 to $40 at the > bookstore to buy a good book on Win2K. > > I just got win 2k pro into my tp 770e last night. BOy oh boy for someone that never uses wi nt 4.0 before, the advanced features of win 2k is totally overwhelming. i agreed fully with Mr Whittle a good book on win 2k is a must if you want to exploit the OS :) I got some good discount coupons ( 20% -30%) on some online book retailers,just email me if you need it :) From cph Mon Jun 5 14:45:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA22698 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:45:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19224; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:41:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18905; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.psnet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18892; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.psnet.net (216.98.165.1 -> psnet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:41:14 -0400 Received: from MYCROFT ([216.98.165.77]) by ns1.psnet.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id LS41G63L; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:24:32 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Robert W. King" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Mailing list archive and FAQ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:39:59 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi Guys! A few minutes ago, I tried to access the ThinkPad mailing list archive and FAQs in accordance with the directions in the subscription message. The pertinent paragraphs read: The FAQ for this group is available for anonymous ftp from swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu, directory pub/archive/thinkpad/faq (URL: ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/faq/ ) Thanks to Sean Chou for maintaining the FAQ. There's also an archive of the past traffic on the list in ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/archive and there's another archive of the digests beginning with Dec of 1997 in ftp://www.cs.utk.edi/pub/judi/thinkpad-archive I was unable to access these FTP locations. The error messages indicated that the directories didn't exist on these FTP servers. So - anybody have any new or corrected information about an archive or FAQ that is accessible? -- Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086 InterNet: robert@wildweasel.net http://www.wildweasel.net From cph Mon Jun 5 14:53:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA22806 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:53:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20053; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:49:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19890; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19872; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:49:50 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA18243; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:49:49 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA21437; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000605114415.00a3b7c0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 11:48:23 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: DVD Decoder for TP 600E In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000605100452.009ef600@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 07:13 AM 6/5/00 -1000, you wrote: > > And your criteria for calling it "junk" would be what exactly? > > > > Feel free to criticize, but at least have some kind of logical > > basis for it. Right now you're just hurling insults and not backing > them up. > > Read the reviews on the newsgroups and on >www.inmatrix.com. Currently, WinDVD, PowerDVD and anything based on >Cinemaster is the only good thing available. It's not something that >needs to be backed up since it's almost like Bose being a good stereo >system, anyone who knows audio knows that Bose is nothing more than >marketing. Any layman who has *heard* Bose knows that comment is nothing more than sour grapes. Maybe it doesn't meet with the standards of a smartass audiophile who likes to measure sound frequencies that the human ear is incapable of hearing, but I've been happy as can be with my Bose speakers as well as the Wave radio they sell. And then there are people who will tell you how much better this DVD player from Marantz that costs $1500 is than the $200 one from Sony, but 99.9% of people couldn't tell the difference in the picture that each delivers. I suspect the same is true when it comes to software DVD players, and the people you refer to in reviewing these things are likely ivory-tower weenies, completely out of touch with what "normal" people care (or don't care) about. From cph Mon Jun 5 15:03:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA22932 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:03:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20983; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:59:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20750; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20737; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:59:37 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA21509; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:59:35 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA25256; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000605115448.00a3b610@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 11:59:25 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: DVD Decoder for TP 600E In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000605100452.009ef600@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 07:13 AM 6/5/00 -1000, you wrote: > > > Soft DVDMax is junk too. PowerDVD from Cyberlink is the best one > > >currently besides WinDVD. www.cyberlink.com.tw > > > > > > And your criteria for calling it "junk" would be what exactly? > > > > Feel free to criticize, but at least have some kind of logical > > basis for it. Right now you're just hurling insults and not backing > them up. > > Read the reviews on the newsgroups and on >www.inmatrix.com. Currently, WinDVD, PowerDVD and anything based on >Cinemaster is the only good thing available. It's not something that By the way, your calling Soft DVD Max from MGI Software "junk" is unsupported even by the link you provided. The only thing close on there is "SoftDVD" which is *not* the same software product at all (not even by the right company). The one I suggested isn't even reviewed on that site. As a matter of fact, its selection of "reviews" seems to be a bit wanting. It not only misses reviewing the MGI product, but also the Mediamatics product. Not exactly comprehensive--and therefore not necessarily authoritative. From cph Mon Jun 5 16:11:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA23608 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:11:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27206; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:07:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26695; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26682; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:06:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA70018; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:07:23 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:07:23 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List Subject: Re: DVD Decoder for TP 600E In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000605114415.00a3b7c0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > At 07:13 AM 6/5/00 -1000, you wrote: > > > And your criteria for calling it "junk" would be what exactly? > > > > > > Feel free to criticize, but at least have some kind of logical > > > basis for it. Right now you're just hurling insults and not backing > > them up. > > > > Read the reviews on the newsgroups and on > >www.inmatrix.com. Currently, WinDVD, PowerDVD and anything based on > >Cinemaster is the only good thing available. It's not something that > >needs to be backed up since it's almost like Bose being a good stereo > >system, anyone who knows audio knows that Bose is nothing more than > >marketing. > > Any layman who has *heard* Bose knows that comment is nothing more > than sour grapes. Then explain why a $350 Cambridge Soundworks systems runs circles around the Bose. If you were a MIT student, you can buy all Bose stuff at 50% off. > Maybe it doesn't meet with the standards of a smartass audiophile > who likes to measure sound frequencies that the human ear is incapable of > hearing, but I've been happy as can be with my Bose speakers as well as the > Wave radio they sell. It has nothing to do with audiophiles since audiophiles would ofcourse buy something way better but even for the people on a budget, you can do way better for the money. Also, the electronics plays a important role as well. The Wave radio isn't bad but their speakers are another story. > And then there are people who will tell you how much better this > DVD player from Marantz that costs $1500 is than the $200 one from Sony, > but 99.9% of people couldn't tell the difference in the picture that each > delivers. That all depends. There is not much difference between DVD players but a Sony is better than a Marantz fyi. Then there is the $2500 Denon but that doesn't really do much better than the Sony other than the sound. The only thing the Sony is bad at is it can't play CD-RW's which is where the Pioneers would have the edge. > I suspect the same is true when it comes to software DVD players, > and the people you refer to in reviewing these things are likely > ivory-tower weenies, completely out of touch with what "normal" people care > (or don't care) about. The people who use PowerDVD are just regular users. If you noticed, SoftDVD is better than Mediametics player. But PowerDVD is the best in terms of picture and it does have the Karaoke function and it's a Taiwan company. Also, if you've noticed, all the players that come with Video cards such as ATI, Matrox, etc are all based on the Cinemaster engine. PowerDVD doesn't do audio as well as WinDVD but WinDVD is kind of hard to buy. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Mon Jun 5 16:13:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA23619 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:13:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27452; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:09:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26974; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26961; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:09:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA70063; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:09:34 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:09:34 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List Subject: Re: DVD Decoder for TP 600E In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000605115448.00a3b610@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > At 07:13 AM 6/5/00 -1000, you wrote: > > > > Soft DVDMax is junk too. PowerDVD from Cyberlink is the best one > > > >currently besides WinDVD. www.cyberlink.com.tw > > > > > > > > > And your criteria for calling it "junk" would be what exactly? > > > > > > Feel free to criticize, but at least have some kind of logical > > > basis for it. Right now you're just hurling insults and not backing > > them up. > > > > Read the reviews on the newsgroups and on > >www.inmatrix.com. Currently, WinDVD, PowerDVD and anything based on > >Cinemaster is the only good thing available. It's not something that > > By the way, your calling Soft DVD Max from MGI Software "junk" is > unsupported even by the link you provided. The only thing close on there > is "SoftDVD" which is *not* the same software product at all (not even by > the right company). SoftDVD was sold by Zoran to MGI Software so it is the same product. > The one I suggested isn't even reviewed on that site. > > As a matter of fact, its selection of "reviews" seems to be a bit > wanting. It not only misses reviewing the MGI product, but also the > Mediamatics product. Not exactly comprehensive--and therefore not > necessarily authoritative. It does have the Mediametics product, the Mediametics product isn't that great either. Why else do you think it doesn't work under Windows ME, all because the coding is incompatible and they won't give any assistance to Microsoft. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Mon Jun 5 16:19:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA23681 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:19:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28435; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:16:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27931; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27910; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:16:01 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id QAA16783; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:15:59 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id QAA25550; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000605131114.00a48820@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 13:15:42 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: DVD Decoder for TP 600E In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000605114415.00a3b7c0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 10:07 AM 6/5/00 -1000, you wrote: > Then explain why a $350 Cambridge Soundworks systems runs circles >around the Bose. If you were a MIT student, you can buy all Bose stuff at >50% off. More unsupported claims. Really Vincent, one has to do better than simply saying, "Everyone knows that!" In an attempt to get back to the subject...Software DVD players...you made much of how bad this or that was, but all I can say is that the Mediamatics player that came bundled free with the T20 works perfectly well, yet you said it was among the worst. The picture is excellent, it can be sized appropriately, the controls are quite adequate...what makes it so bad? This sounds all very subjective to me. From cph Mon Jun 5 18:28:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA24996 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:28:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08414; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:26:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08200; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f1n7.u.arizona.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08186; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f1n7.u.arizona.edu (128.196.137.107 -> f1n7.U.Arizona.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:26:01 -0400 Received: (from mcquaid@localhost) by f1n7.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA36144; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:25:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:25:58 -0700 From: Mick McQuaid To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Subject: Re: DVD Decoder for TP 600E Message-ID: <20000605152557.A43846@U.Arizona.EDU> References: <4.2.0.58.20000605100452.009ef600@127.0.0.1> <4.2.0.58.20000605115448.00a3b610@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000605115448.00a3b610@127.0.0.1>; from Randal Whittle on Mon, Jun 05, 2000 at 11:59:25AM -0700 List-Unsubscribe: My Thinkpad came with the Mediamatics product which seems like junk to me, both the original and the most recent "upgrade." PowerDVD and WinDVD seemed really good based on trying them out for a few DVDs. The others all seemed like junk. The difference is so sharp I don't think it's even worth backing up with a detailed list of plus and minus points. Basically, I don't think a reviewer who fails to review junk is necessarily failing to be authoritative. I concur with the person who thinks PowerDVD and WinDVD are good, and I don't understand why anyone who's interested enough to spend *hours* watching DVDs would not take the time to download a few and try them! ... regarding a message from Randal Whittle on Jun 05: > At 07:13 AM 6/5/00 -1000, you wrote: ... -- Mick McQuaid, mmcquaid@u.arizona.edu 520-621-4074 office / voice mail From cph Mon Jun 5 20:41:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA25906 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:41:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19161; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:37:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18839; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad1 (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18826; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad1 (12.79.31.98 -> 98.morristown-23-24rs.nj.dial-access.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:37:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bfcf4f$2cebf350$621f4f0c@thinkpad1> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Joe Strauss" Cc: "Thinkpad" References: <003f01bfccb8$28816280$c68f0118@msnv1.occa.home.com> <393A72DC.91880AA@ricochet.net> <007d01bfce99$6ed145b0$c68f0118@msnv1.occa.home.com> Subject: Re: TP770 - video out to TV Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:31:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Try Fn-F7. You may have the display set for LCD only. Or go into Thinkpad Configuration Utility and set TV Out to enabled. These are two different functions, but I found that both work to get a signal on the TV. Donald Mak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Strauss" To: "Andrew Scott Beals" Cc: "Thinkpad" Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 10:54 PM Subject: Re: TP770 - video out to TV > By video out cable, I mean the little adapter cable that you then plug the > S-Video cable into. And, yes, I have the sound working. Just not the video. > > Joe. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andrew Scott Beals > To: Joe Strauss > Cc: Thinkpad > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 8:16 AM > Subject: Re: TP770 - video out to TV > > > > Well, you either want to use the video out or the s-video, not both. And > you're > > going to need to hook the audio up. > > > > I've used my 770ED as an extremely expensive DVD player with the regular > video > > output and audio cables into my tv. > > > > Joe Strauss wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > I am a new participant in this group. I have recently acquired a > Thinkpad > > > 770 (from my boss, he got a brand new Sony laptop). It is running Window > 98. > > > I am trying to get the video out to TV working. I have the "DVD and > enhanced > > > video adapter" installed. I have downloaded all the latest drivers. I > have > > > all the hardware hooked up (video out cable, s-video cable to TV). I > follow > > > the instuctions in the manual to set it up, but nothing comes on the TV. > > > For now, I am trying to just see the laptop desktop on the TV. Then I > would > > > like to see DVD movies on the TV (running SoftDVD). > > > > > > Please help! > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > From cph Mon Jun 5 20:44:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA25933 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:44:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19469; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:41:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19314; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad1 (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19301; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad1 (12.79.31.98 -> 98.morristown-23-24rs.nj.dial-access.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:41:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bfcf4f$bbef2040$621f4f0c@thinkpad1> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Benjamin Koh" , "ThinkPad-L" References: <005601bfcca4$94c4ede0$9642b4d8@davidreid> <3939FA15.51C53423@gate.net> <393A1806.99F20B2@stanford.edu> Subject: Re: TP 770 toughness - not! Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:39:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Sure they are taken to the field, why wouldn't they? Years ago the military used Grid systems. Donald Mak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benjamin Koh" To: ; "ThinkPad-L" Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 4:49 AM Subject: Re: TP 770 toughness - not! > I'm surprised the Ranger Regiment is using office equipment; I take it > the TPs are not brought into the field; there are a bunch of ruggedized > laptops made for such use, and IBM is not one of the manufacturers. > Panasonic is. Can't remember the others (Rocky?), but I recall reading a > review of these, and one of the tests involved hosing down the laptop > with water, then opening the CD drive to demonstrate the bone-dry CD > inside. Oh, and the 3 foot concrete drop, and the drive-over-with-SUV > (Panasonic invited the editors to use a Hummer) test too. Quite > impressive. > > Not to knock Thinkpads - I too am an owner after all - but sturdy is > very relative. > > Benjamin > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > David.. > > you should also know that the US Army 75th Ranger Regiment, that bastion > > of obsolete junk, laughingly referred to as high tech weaponry, just LOVE > > their thinkpad 770 laptops.. > > yes, they DO use them and they consider the TP770 to be tough and > > sturdy.. > > > > David Reid wrote: > > > > > At the risk of sounding sarcastic to those who questioned my good > > > intentions in buying an obsolete, 770z . . . MAN! This is one > > > obsolete machine . . . the crisp, clean 14" display, whew, pathetic, > > > overall looks and "real" Thinkpad performance . . . outdated > > > beautifully, and the ruggedness??? . . . geesh could they not have > > > made this thing less sturdy??? guess that's what I get with an > > > obsolete machine. > > > > > > And the built in modem and microphone. . . with "full" duplex > > > speakerphone capablitliy . . . that sounds better than my high > > > dollar, external, USR modem on my desktop . . .plays music on hold . > > > . . OBSOLETE JUNK. > > > > > > Oh, and a real volume control knob like those "newer up to date > > > machines" . . . wait a minute, that ain't supposed to be on my new > > > obsolete machine. > > > > > > Infared on back . . . and front?? wouldn't that qualify as > > > obsolete??? > > > > > > Oh, and that sweet distinctive Thinkpad keyboard, eh, what can I say > > > . . . > > > > > > I LOVE IT > > > > > > Now . . . if I can just find the 8 track interface . . . . and > > > locate an obsolete Zip Drive for this thing. > > > > > > ______________ > > > David Reid > > > dwreid@hiwaay.net > > > > > > ps To those who encoraged me "not" to get this model, please don't > > > think that this is directed at you, this is merely posted in jest out > > > of my satisfaction with the recent purchase of this 770. Your recent > > > opinons and comments are still, highly valued. > > > > -- > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > -- > Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (68k/PPC) or PC without IE 4! > > https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh > Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash for signing up! > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com > Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: > http://www.thehungersite.com/ > From cph Mon Jun 5 23:31:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA26884 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:31:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02020; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:26:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01553; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01520; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:25:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01492; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:26:05 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:26:05 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Mick McQuaid cc: Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: Re: DVD Decoder for TP 600E In-Reply-To: <20000605152557.A43846@U.Arizona.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Mick McQuaid wrote: Good point... These are all available for download. I mean another way to think of it is that you already bought the best notebook out there, are you going to use a crappy program? That's almost like buying a Rolls Royce and using $0.05/gallon fuel. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > My Thinkpad came with the Mediamatics product which seems like > junk to me, both the original and the most recent "upgrade." > PowerDVD and WinDVD seemed really good based on trying them > out for a few DVDs. The others all seemed like junk. The > difference is so sharp I don't think it's even worth backing > up with a detailed list of plus and minus points. > > Basically, I don't think a reviewer who fails to review junk > is necessarily failing to be authoritative. I concur with the > person who thinks PowerDVD and WinDVD are good, and I don't > understand why anyone who's interested enough to spend *hours* > watching DVDs would not take the time to download a few and try > them! > > ... regarding a message from Randal Whittle on Jun 05: > > At 07:13 AM 6/5/00 -1000, you wrote: > ... > > -- > Mick McQuaid, mmcquaid@u.arizona.edu > 520-621-4074 office / voice mail > From cph Tue Jun 6 00:22:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA27135 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:22:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05129; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:17:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04812; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04799; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:17:50 -0400 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20699 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port95.magma.ca [209.217.123.95]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA19626 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006060417.AAA19626@mail4.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 00:18:06 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP600E: Egghead at $1899 -- good? List-Unsubscribe: I guess the 600s will start being dumped now, but is this a good deal? It's new with a 3-year IBM warranty (and shipping is relatively reasonable). I'm not in the market right now but wondered about this. IBM Thinkpad 600E w/ Intel Pentium II 366, 64MB, 6.4GB, DVD, 56K $1899.00 http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00002942/02848897.htm?source=SD3 H2W2C1$ andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Tue Jun 6 01:16:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA27361 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:16:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08118; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:13:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07824; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07811; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:13:15 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.174.66]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:12:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id BAA01694; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:06:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:06:07 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: Michael Geary cc: David Reid , ThinkPad-L Subject: Re: [OT] Why you get duplicate replies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > Havent gotten any old posts, however, there were some duplication posts > > from a couple of guys who replied to my partitioning and zip > > drive questions > > earlier. Mr. Morrow's reply was duplicated as was one of the others. > > That's very common. You will get two copies of this message as well. When > people reply to a message in the list, they often use "Reply to All", which > sends copies of the email both to the original sender and to the mailing See, that's what Procmail is for. ---GEC Projects page: http://tetsujin.sourceforge.net/ GAIM/AOL IM: Tetsujin0 - Message anytime -- ICQ: 46909656 - I never use it From cph Tue Jun 6 06:21:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA28209 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 06:21:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02211; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 06:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 06:16:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02053; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 06:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02031; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 06:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (216.227.56.41 -> mail-1.sjc.telocity.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 06:15:52 -0400 Received: from dsl-216-227-14-85.chi.interchangedsl.com (dsl-216-227-14-85.chi.interchangedsl.com [216.227.14.85]) by mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA28964 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 03:15:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Stan Mocek To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: TP600E: Egghead at $1899 -- good? Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 05:21:15 -0500 Reply-To: mocek@azb.com Message-ID: References: <200006060417.AAA19626@mail4.magma.ca> In-Reply-To: <200006060417.AAA19626@mail4.magma.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 06 Jun 2000 00:18:06 -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: >I guess the 600s will start being dumped now, but is this a good >deal? It's new with a 3-year IBM warranty (and shipping is >relatively reasonable). I'm not in the market right now but >wondered about this. > >IBM Thinkpad 600E w/ Intel Pentium II 366, 64MB, 6.4GB, DVD, 56K >$1899.00 >http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00002942/02848897.htm?source=SD3H2W2C1$ A good deal is relative, I guess. For someone who likes to use the trailing edge technology method, it's perfect. They are also auctioning the same models. I managed to pick one up for $1639 last Friday. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFCFBD.ADF7F3E0-- From cph Tue Jun 6 10:18:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA29425 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:18:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13098; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:16:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12954; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12941; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:16:14 -0400 Received: from davidreid (tnt10-216-180-65-8.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.8]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with SMTP id e56EGCG20794 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 09:16:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004501bfcfc1$a886af60$0841b4d8@davidreid> From: "David Reid" To: "thinkpad list" References: <3939F228.9A52D2C2@treco.net> Subject: Re: 770Z partitioning Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 09:11:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: With this and similar comments about PM I went out yesterday afternoon and got a copy, came in last night, converted (c:) FAT to FAT32 (which i really don't understand why they "ibm" did that), then resized the two partions with ease. So if you're search the TP -L archives for similar information, yes PQ Part. Magic works extremely well (at least on my 770z 14.xGB HDD). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morrow" To: "thinkpad list" ; "david reid" Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 1:07 AM Subject: 770Z partitioning > David.. > > 1. The recovery CD will restore the same partitioning or > will divide the "D:" into several fat16 2gig partitions.. > 2. get and use PQMagic.. it work very well > 3. there is a utility with win98 that you should have on > that machine.. it will convert the entire HDD to fat32 which > is what you want.. > since i have never used it, i don't know how it works, but > reports are that it works fine.. one way (to fat32) only.. > > i hope this helps.. :-) > > -- > Live long and prosper, Happy Trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > thinkpads.com Open Forum > http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > E-Mail: bill@thinkpads.com, morrow@treco.net > > From cph Tue Jun 6 11:21:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA29917 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:21:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18126; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:18:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17825; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gabriel.advsys.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17808; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gabriel.advsys.com (198.49.218.20 -> gabriel.advsys.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:17:57 -0400 Received: from sting.advsys.com ([129.203.1.25]) by gabriel.advsys.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28660; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bobpad (bobpad.advsys.com [129.203.1.122]) by sting.advsys.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e56FFBn06223; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001601bfcfc9$49134900$7a01cb81@advsys.com> From: "Bob Snyder" To: , "John McKay" References: <4.3.1.0.20000605091304.00b93980@public.ls.xz.cn> Subject: Re: 770X Boots X2 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:09:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: I've noticed this happens when you have the CD-ROM in the boot order before the HD, and there's a non-bootable CD-ROM in the drive. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McKay" To: Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 10:19 AM Subject: 770X Boots X2 > thinkpads, > > I was told to send this problem to this address. Someone might have some > insight or advice. The units been to ez-serve for this. When it returned > the 1st boot was normal. The next morning the 2 boot sequence started again. > I spend most of the year outside the US so I am anxious to fix any > potential problems while here. > > Here's what just happened. > > power on > ram check upper left corner; IBM logo upper right; Thinkpad lower left > loud beep > check A drive > ram check and logo disappear > small horizontal cursor about 2" down from top on left > screen goes blank > 1 soft error beep > pause > 1 soft error beep > screen goes black > pause > ram check upper left; IBM logo upper right; Thinkpad lower left > loud beep > check A drive > ram check and logo disappear > small horizontal cursor > System Commander copyright box > System Commander selection > Win 98 > > I've also tried it with System Commander disabled with same result. > > If I exit the bios setup window with the "Restart" selection it DOES NOT > boot 2 times. > > Any ideas? > > Regards, > > John > > > From cph Tue Jun 6 11:35:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA30090 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:35:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19619; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:32:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19389; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19370; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:32:37 -0400 Received: from [216.59.0.202] (216.59.0.202) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.1.027) id 393C302F0001E5B0; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:31:15 -0700 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200006060417.AAA19626@mail4.magma.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:31:10 -0700 To: "Andrew Webber" From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: Re: TP600E: Egghead at $1899 -- good? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu List-Unsubscribe: >I guess the 600s will start being dumped now, but is this a good >deal? It's new with a 3-year IBM warranty (and shipping is >relatively reasonable). I'm not in the market right now but >wondered about this. > >IBM Thinkpad 600E w/ Intel Pentium II 366, 64MB, 6.4GB, DVD, 56K >$1899.00 >http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00002942/02848897.htm?source=SD3 >H2W2C1$ Don't do it, Andrew! Egghead screwed me blind on my 365X. They represented it as a 365XD, complete with CD-ROM and external floppy. However, it was a CD-ROMless 365X!! When I brought up the discrepancy between the information on the website and the machine I got, they only gave me $75 for my troubles. That isn't enough to get an external CD-ROM! I will never deal with Egghead again. --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! When a Windows PC says "I love you," you know it MEANS it. Go Linux/FreeBSD! Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Tue Jun 6 11:51:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA30276 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:51:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20796; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:48:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20607; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20593; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (192.108.254.26 -> mail1.teleport.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:48:22 -0400 Received: (qmail 3826 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2000 15:48:19 -0000 Received: from i48-17-34.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO teleport.com) (216.26.6.34) by mail1.teleport.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2000 15:48:19 -0000 Message-ID: <393D1DCA.E88FD609@teleport.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 08:50:35 -0700 From: Bryan Daum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Callahan CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DVD Decoder for TP 600E References: <3.0.5.32.20000605085903.0094d100@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John and alll, I have enjoyed the postings as they have addressed exactly what I have been considiereing. Randy mentioned some time back that a 600E might not smoothly play dvd movies. I would be interested to hear your experiences -or others experiences! - in terms of both hardware and software. Randy noted that there are DVD decoder PCMCIA cards as well -is any one using one with a 600e? Bryan John Callahan wrote: > Today I tried to play a DVD on my ThinkPad 600E. > > I found that I do not have a DVD decoder installed. > > Does anyone have a suggestion for DVD decoder software to use on the > 600E and a source where I could obtain the software? > > Thinks in advance > John Callahan From cph Tue Jun 6 11:54:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA30304 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:54:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21234; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:51:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21023; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinmx1.bpd.harris.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21010; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinmx1.bpd.harris.com (137.237.241.19 -> cinmx1.bpd.harris.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:51:22 -0400 Received: by cinmx1.bpd.harris.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:51:19 -0400 Message-ID: <075B619E4C6FD2118A4800A0C9E1D0A10101E627@cinmx1.bpd.harris.com> From: "Chalk, Richard" To: "'David Reid'" , "'thinkpad list'" Subject: RE: 770Z partitioning Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:51:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I have used partition Magic for a long time, and it has NEVER caused a problem. Additionally, with the included Boot Magic utility, you can have up to three primary partitions, with different OS's on each, and boot the OS of choice, or you can reinstall one without affecting the others. I have Windows 98 on one, Windows 2000 on a second, and a Beta of Millennium Edition on a third. Whichever one you boot becomes "C:", and the others are invisible. Then the rest of the drive is an extended partition, divided into "D" and "E" Logical drives. All program installations and data files are on D, and drivers, installable programs, etc. are on E. I can actually reformat a primary partition, reinstall the OS, and reinstall the drivers and programs without having to resort to CD-ROMs, downloads, etc., and my data is unaffected. Very useful if you are travelling, and your C partition becomes corrupted. My 2c worth... Richard -----Original Message----- From: David Reid [mailto:dwreid@hiwaay.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:12 AM To: thinkpad list Subject: Re: 770Z partitioning With this and similar comments about PM I went out yesterday afternoon and got a copy, came in last night, converted (c:) FAT to FAT32 (which i really don't understand why they "ibm" did that), then resized the two partions with ease. So if you're search the TP -L archives for similar information, yes PQ Part. Magic works extremely well (at least on my 770z 14.xGB HDD). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morrow" To: "thinkpad list" ; "david reid" Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 1:07 AM Subject: 770Z partitioning > David.. > > 1. The recovery CD will restore the same partitioning or > will divide the "D:" into several fat16 2gig partitions.. > 2. get and use PQMagic.. it work very well > 3. there is a utility with win98 that you should have on > that machine.. it will convert the entire HDD to fat32 which > is what you want.. > since i have never used it, i don't know how it works, but > reports are that it works fine.. one way (to fat32) only.. > > i hope this helps.. :-) > > -- > Live long and prosper, Happy Trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > thinkpads.com Open Forum > http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > E-Mail: bill@thinkpads.com, morrow@treco.net > > From cph Tue Jun 6 12:03:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA30429 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:03:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21965; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:00:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21760; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21743; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:00:07 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08080; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <393D1FFE.72119A31@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 11:59:58 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Snyder CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, John McKay Subject: Re: 770X Boots X2 References: <4.3.1.0.20000605091304.00b93980@public.ls.xz.cn> <001601bfcfc9$49134900$7a01cb81@advsys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bob Snyder wrote: > I've noticed this happens when you have the CD-ROM in the boot order before > the HD, and there's a non-bootable CD-ROM in the drive. I do this all the time and I do not get double boots for this reason. --Lee Hetherington From cph Tue Jun 6 12:29:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA30623 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:28:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24384; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:24:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24158; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww181.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24145; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww181.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.81 -> ww181.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:24:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 516 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2000 16:24:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000606162401.515.qmail@ww181.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.81 by ww181 for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(34FM1.4.02C) on Tue Jun 6 16:24:01 GMT 2000 Date: 6 Jun 00 11:24:01 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: TP600E: Egghead at $1899 -- good? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM1.4.02C) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA30624 It's an OK deal, but it's not a burning bargain. For reference, I got my wife's 600E (PII-366, 128MB, 10GB, CD-ROM, 56K, plus 3Com 10/100 Ethernet card) for $2,100 last December. This was a new unit, full warranty, etc. Buying PCs is always a tough thing. No matter how good of a deal you get, things will always be cheaper in a couple of months. I got a Gateway 800MHz system in March. Now I could get a 900 MHz (or maybe 950MHz??) for the same price. It never ends. You just need to be comfortable with the amount you're spending and with the fact that it is mostly an expense and not an investment. "Andrew Webber" wrote: > I guess the 600s will start being dumped now, but is this a good > deal? It's new with a 3-year IBM warranty (and shipping is > relatively reasonable). I'm not in the market right now but > wondered about this. > > IBM Thinkpad 600E w/ Intel Pentium II 366, 64MB, 6.4GB, DVD, 56K > $1899.00 > http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00002942/02848897.htm?source=SD3 > H2W2C1$ ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Tue Jun 6 14:59:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA31916 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:59:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07360; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:56:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07163; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07150; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (24.128.1.71 -> chmls06.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:56:03 -0400 Received: from laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA27582 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:55:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: RE: another excellent "steal" from MS Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:56:02 -0400 Message-ID: <008e01bfcfe8$dc567880$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Randall Wittle wrote: > >Please also note that when you get this, you get a bare-bones (though very attractive) binder with almost a *zero* documentation. >Its a good deal, but plan on spending another $20 to $40 at the bookstore to buy a good book on Win2K. Well, I don't know about that. The Help in W2K has been more than adequate for this ex-W98 user, though I suppose if you're coming from NT it may be another matter. I did buy a book anyhow, but only because of that itch to supplement an exciting new purchase - watch out for that well known phenomenon. But it's fun perusing one of those big fat books. I got the "Mastering" one, but I gather from newsgroups that it's really a rehash of his well regarded NT book, and I can't say I found it particularly useful or necessary even for the NT-related side of W2K that was unfamiliar to me - the Help program was really better for that. As usual, ymmv. I found the courses themselves with their online format impossibly tedious, but they are well regarded apparently, and maybe of a format more familiar to corporate heads than to mine (no offense intended). My wife thinks the Xlg MS t-shirt makes a pretty good night shirt. Maybe she fantasizes about Bill Gates. Best, Jeff From cph Tue Jun 6 15:08:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA31989 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:08:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08411; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:06:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08234; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08210; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:06:28 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id PAA07276; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:06:26 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA04226; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000606112511.00a53600@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 11:26:19 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP600E: Egghead at $1899 -- good? In-Reply-To: References: <200006060417.AAA19626@mail4.magma.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:31 AM 6/6/00 -0700, you wrote: >Egghead screwed me blind on my 365X. They represented it as a 365XD, >complete with CD-ROM and external floppy. However, it was a CD-ROMless >365X!! When I brought up the discrepancy between the information on the >website and the machine I got, they only gave me $75 for my troubles. That >isn't enough to get an external CD-ROM! > >I will never deal with Egghead again. Perhaps its just me, but...did you pay with a credit card? Then why not dispute the charge? There's no way on earth they can force you to accept a bait-and-switch like that, unless you let them do it to you. From cph Tue Jun 6 15:50:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA32314 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:50:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11420; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:44:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11173; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11160; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:44:53 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id PAA19929; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:44:52 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA19355; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000606124154.00a5be10@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 12:44:43 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: another excellent "steal" from MS In-Reply-To: <008e01bfcfe8$dc567880$0200a8c0@laptop> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 02:56 PM 6/6/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Please also note that when you get this, you get a bare-bones (though very >attractive) binder with almost a *zero* documentation. > >Its a good deal, but plan on spending another $20 to $40 at the bookstore >to buy a good book on Win2K. > >Well, I don't know about that. The Help in W2K has been more than adequate >for this ex-W98 user, though I suppose if you're coming from NT it may be I came from W98 too, but I don't like perusing on-line help files for anything in-depth (and most of the time, there is *no* depth to speak of). Perhaps its because my needs are a bit more complicated than most, but I felt the book--while not a panacea--was helpful in solving my networking issues. And IMO, there is enough difference between the 2000 platform and 98, that it would be good for a reasonably serious user to pay attention and know those issues. What can I say--I like documentation. :-) From cph Tue Jun 6 15:58:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA32364 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:58:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12063; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:55:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11877; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11864; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:55:02 -0400 Received: from user-38ld74f.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld74f.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.156.143]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA16532; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006061954.PAA16532@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Jon" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "TP List" Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 16:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Another excellent *steal from MS List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 05 Jun 2000 12:22:18 -0600 (CST), Jon wrote: >, the advanced features of win 2k is >totally overwhelming. Could you be more specific? From cph Wed Jun 7 00:02:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA03160 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:02:13 -0400 Resent-From: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05737; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:59:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05360; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05347; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msn.com (207.46.181.45 -> cpimssmtpe06.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:59:21 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:59:07 -0700 Received: from netlib2.cs.utk.edu - 128.169.92.17 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:53:10 -0700 Received: from na-net.ornl.gov (marvin@localhost) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9t-netlib) id LAA25500; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:47:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:47:14 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200006061547.LAA25500@netlib2.cs.utk.edu> Received: from owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu for stuart.mcdonald@na-net.ornl.gov; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Resent-to: Stuart_McDonald@msn.com (by na-net.ornl.gov) Received: from cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9t-netlib) id LAA25493; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:47:13 -0400 Received: from cs.utk.edu (128.169.94.1 -> CS.UTK.EDU) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:47:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21237; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:51:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21023; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinmx1.bpd.harris.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21010; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinmx1.bpd.harris.com (137.237.241.19 -> cinmx1.bpd.harris.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:51:22 -0400 Received: by cinmx1.bpd.harris.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:51:19 -0400 Message-ID: <075B619E4C6FD2118A4800A0C9E1D0A10101E627@cinmx1.bpd.harris.com> From: "Chalk, Richard" To: "'David Reid'" , "'thinkpad list'" Subject: RE: 770Z partitioning Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:51:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I have used partition Magic for a long time, and it has NEVER caused a problem. Additionally, with the included Boot Magic utility, you can have up to three primary partitions, with different OS's on each, and boot the OS of choice, or you can reinstall one without affecting the others. I have Windows 98 on one, Windows 2000 on a second, and a Beta of Millennium Edition on a third. Whichever one you boot becomes "C:", and the others are invisible. Then the rest of the drive is an extended partition, divided into "D" and "E" Logical drives. All program installations and data files are on D, and drivers, installable programs, etc. are on E. I can actually reformat a primary partition, reinstall the OS, and reinstall the drivers and programs without having to resort to CD-ROMs, downloads, etc., and my data is unaffected. Very useful if you are travelling, and your C partition becomes corrupted. My 2c worth... Richard -----Original Message----- From: David Reid [mailto:dwreid@hiwaay.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:12 AM To: thinkpad list Subject: Re: 770Z partitioning With this and similar comments about PM I went out yesterday afternoon and got a copy, came in last night, converted (c:) FAT to FAT32 (which i really don't understand why they "ibm" did that), then resized the two partions with ease. So if you're search the TP -L archives for similar information, yes PQ Part. Magic works extremely well (at least on my 770z 14.xGB HDD). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morrow" To: "thinkpad list" ; "david reid" Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 1:07 AM Subject: 770Z partitioning > David.. > > 1. The recovery CD will restore the same partitioning or > will divide the "D:" into several fat16 2gig partitions.. > 2. get and use PQMagic.. it work very well > 3. there is a utility with win98 that you should have on > that machine.. it will convert the entire HDD to fat32 which > is what you want.. > since i have never used it, i don't know how it works, but > reports are that it works fine.. one way (to fat32) only.. > > i hope this helps.. :-) > > -- > Live long and prosper, Happy Trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > thinkpads.com Open Forum > http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > E-Mail: bill@thinkpads.com, morrow@treco.net > > From cph Wed Jun 7 01:00:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA03383 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:00:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08213; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:58:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08077; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08063; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:58:18 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-179.gate.net [199.227.20.242]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07304; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:58:12 -0400 Message-ID: <393DD667.9664268B@gate.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 00:58:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Koh CC: ThinkPad-L Subject: Re: TP 770 toughness - not! References: <005601bfcca4$94c4ede0$9642b4d8@davidreid> <3939FA15.51C53423@gate.net> <393A1806.99F20B2@stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: They, the 75th Ranger Regiment, use several different brands... i'm sure these are not used in the field, under battle conditions, but rather in support jobs.. it was not my comment, but a seargeant who likes the 770 "chassis" as he put it, much better than the other brand notebooks they have.. rugged IS relative, but i suppose for a consumer item, if the army uses it, it should do well traveling in my car.. :-) Benjamin Koh wrote: > I'm surprised the Ranger Regiment is using office equipment; I take it > the TPs are not brought into the field; there are a bunch of ruggedized > laptops made for such use, and IBM is not one of the manufacturers. > Panasonic is. Can't remember the others (Rocky?), but I recall reading a > review of these, and one of the tests involved hosing down the laptop > with water, then opening the CD drive to demonstrate the bone-dry CD > inside. Oh, and the 3 foot concrete drop, and the drive-over-with-SUV > (Panasonic invited the editors to use a Hummer) test too. Quite > impressive. > > Not to knock Thinkpads - I too am an owner after all - but sturdy is > very relative. > > Benjamin > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > David.. > > you should also know that the US Army 75th Ranger Regiment, that bastion > > of obsolete junk, laughingly referred to as high tech weaponry, just LOVE > > their thinkpad 770 laptops.. > > yes, they DO use them and they consider the TP770 to be tough and > > sturdy.. > > > > David Reid wrote: > > > > > At the risk of sounding sarcastic to those who questioned my good > > > intentions in buying an obsolete, 770z . . . MAN! This is one > > > obsolete machine . . . the crisp, clean 14" display, whew, pathetic, > > > overall looks and "real" Thinkpad performance . . . outdated > > > beautifully, and the ruggedness??? . . . geesh could they not have > > > made this thing less sturdy??? guess that's what I get with an > > > obsolete machine. > > > > > > And the built in modem and microphone. . . with "full" duplex > > > speakerphone capablitliy . . . that sounds better than my high > > > dollar, external, USR modem on my desktop . . .plays music on hold . > > > . . OBSOLETE JUNK. > > > > > > Oh, and a real volume control knob like those "newer up to date > > > machines" . . . wait a minute, that ain't supposed to be on my new > > > obsolete machine. > > > > > > Infared on back . . . and front?? wouldn't that qualify as > > > obsolete??? > > > > > > Oh, and that sweet distinctive Thinkpad keyboard, eh, what can I say > > > . . . > > > > > > I LOVE IT > > > > > > Now . . . if I can just find the 8 track interface . . . . and > > > locate an obsolete Zip Drive for this thing. > > > > > > ______________ > > > David Reid > > > dwreid@hiwaay.net > > > > > > ps To those who encoraged me "not" to get this model, please don't > > > think that this is directed at you, this is merely posted in jest out > > > of my satisfaction with the recent purchase of this 770. Your recent > > > opinons and comments are still, highly valued. > > > > -- > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > -- > Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (68k/PPC) or PC without IE 4! > > https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh > Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash for signing up! > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com > Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: > http://www.thehungersite.com/ -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed Jun 7 01:02:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA03401 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:02:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08615; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:00:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08285; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08270; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:00:08 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-179.gate.net [199.227.20.242]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12844; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:00:05 -0400 Message-ID: <393DD6D9.E650FA7D@gate.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 01:00:09 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Starr CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 vs T20 Keyboard References: <000e01bfce30$47e97ee0$d25c1e18@mw.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i'll have a bunch of A20p's through here tomorrow, so i'll get to see whats what.. :-) birger will pick his up in person, so we'll play a bit.. Starr wrote: > In the latest issure of PC Magazine, the T20 is briefly reviewed. One > comment of interest is that the T20 keyboard isn't quite as good as the > TP600 keyboard. Anyone have any experience comparing the two to agree or > disagree with PC Mag. > > Allan Starr -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed Jun 7 01:06:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA03417 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:06:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08844; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:03:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08728; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08715; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:03:31 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-179.gate.net [199.227.20.242]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08670; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:03:27 -0400 Message-ID: <393DD7A3.330A9810@gate.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 01:03:31 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: TP600E: Egghead at $1899 -- good? References: <200006060417.AAA19626@mail4.magma.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Andrew... NONONO, this is not a GOOD deal.. only an OK deal.. wait a very short while and get a 600X for near the same money.. Andrew Webber wrote: > I guess the 600s will start being dumped now, but is this a good > deal? It's new with a 3-year IBM warranty (and shipping is > relatively reasonable). I'm not in the market right now but > wondered about this. > > IBM Thinkpad 600E w/ Intel Pentium II 366, 64MB, 6.4GB, DVD, 56K > $1899.00 > http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00002942/02848897.htm?source=SD3 > H2W2C1$ > > andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] > ------ > for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed Jun 7 01:09:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA03426 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:09:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09177; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:07:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09011; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08998; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:07:34 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-179.gate.net [199.227.20.242]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA54576 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:07:32 -0400 Message-ID: <393DD897.71614F50@gate.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 01:07:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600E: Egghead at $1899 -- good? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Michelle... you should have made them eat it..! send it back and get your $$ back.. Michelle Klein-Hass wrote: > >I guess the 600s will start being dumped now, but is this a good > >deal? It's new with a 3-year IBM warranty (and shipping is > >relatively reasonable). I'm not in the market right now but > >wondered about this. > > > >IBM Thinkpad 600E w/ Intel Pentium II 366, 64MB, 6.4GB, DVD, 56K > >$1899.00 > >http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00002942/02848897.htm?source=SD3 > >H2W2C1$ > > Don't do it, Andrew! > > Egghead screwed me blind on my 365X. They represented it as a 365XD, > complete with CD-ROM and external floppy. However, it was a CD-ROMless > 365X!! When I brought up the discrepancy between the information on the > website and the machine I got, they only gave me $75 for my troubles. That > isn't enough to get an external CD-ROM! > > I will never deal with Egghead again. > > --.\\<-H-- > > Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 > Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! > When a Windows PC says "I love you," you know it MEANS it. Go Linux/FreeBSD! > Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed Jun 7 03:04:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA03810 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:04:42 -0400 Resent-From: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13644; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:01:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13305; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13290; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msn.com (207.46.181.39 -> cpimssmtpe08.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:01:19 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:01:05 -0700 Received: from netlib2.cs.utk.edu - 128.169.92.17 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:34:25 -0700 Received: from na-net.ornl.gov (marvin@localhost) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9t-netlib) id LAA25207; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:28:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:28:29 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200006061528.LAA25207@netlib2.cs.utk.edu> Received: from owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu for stuart.mcdonald@na-net.ornl.gov; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Resent-to: Stuart_McDonald@msn.com (by na-net.ornl.gov) Received: from cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9t-netlib) id LAA25199; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:28:27 -0400 Received: from cs.utk.edu (128.169.94.1 -> CS.UTK.EDU) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:28:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19623; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:32:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19389; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19370; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:32:37 -0400 Received: from [216.59.0.202] (216.59.0.202) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.1.027) id 393C302F0001E5B0; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:31:15 -0700 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200006060417.AAA19626@mail4.magma.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:31:10 -0700 To: "Andrew Webber" From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: Re: TP600E: Egghead at $1899 -- good? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu List-Unsubscribe: >I guess the 600s will start being dumped now, but is this a good >deal? It's new with a 3-year IBM warranty (and shipping is >relatively reasonable). I'm not in the market right now but >wondered about this. > >IBM Thinkpad 600E w/ Intel Pentium II 366, 64MB, 6.4GB, DVD, 56K >$1899.00 >http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00002942/02848897.htm?source=SD3 >H2W2C1$ Don't do it, Andrew! Egghead screwed me blind on my 365X. They represented it as a 365XD, complete with CD-ROM and external floppy. However, it was a CD-ROMless 365X!! When I brought up the discrepancy between the information on the website and the machine I got, they only gave me $75 for my troubles. That isn't enough to get an external CD-ROM! I will never deal with Egghead again. --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! When a Windows PC says "I love you," you know it MEANS it. Go Linux/FreeBSD! Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Wed Jun 7 11:35:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA06187 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:35:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17094; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:30:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16676; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16663; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:29:58 -0400 Received: from [216.59.0.202] (216.59.0.202) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.1.027) id 393C302F0004CE03 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:29:07 -0700 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <393DD897.71614F50@gate.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:28:57 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: Re: TP600E: Egghead at $1899 -- good? List-Unsubscribe: >Michelle... > >you should have made them eat it..! >send it back and get your $$ back.. They *DID* offer to give me an RMA number. However, by the time they deigned to give me that RMA number, I had already fallen in love with my 365X. You're all on the Thinkpads list...you know how that goes. My copy of Windows95 Retail that I use with my 365X is on floppy, so I was able to get started with the machine even before I got my CD-ROM. --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! When a Windows PC says "I love you," you know it MEANS it. Go Linux/FreeBSD! Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Wed Jun 7 11:57:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA06373 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:57:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18814; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:54:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18619; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rrds.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18605; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rrds.co.uk (194.128.85.3 -> mail.rdel.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:54:43 -0400 Received: from rdel.co.uk (unverified) by mail.rrds.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 16:54:47 +0100 Received: by rdel.co.uk id PAA02026 ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:54:33 GMT Received: by ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BFD0A1.108A62C0@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:54:37 +0100 Message-Id: <01BFD0A1.108A62C0@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk> From: Darren Kennedy To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: [TP760CD] boot hangs with hd connected Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:54:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I have a strange problem with my TP760CD which I hope someone call help me with. Yesterday I fdisk'd my hard drive into two partitions, one primary and a second extended partition. Part of the disk was left unformatted. (good reasons !) The primary partition was formatted. When I came to reboot from floppy the thinkpad does the POST, displaying the logo and amount of memory, but then sits there with the floppy whirring for ever. If I remove the hard disk it will boot from floppy ok. I have reset the machine to defaults in easy setup, removed the hard drive from the boot sequence, tested the hard drive in the eay setup advanced tests etc, all to no avail. Any ideas on how to recover? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Darren Kennedy Unix Sys Admin / Programmer. Racal Defence Electronics Ltd. Crawley, England. From cph Wed Jun 7 12:19:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA06555 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:19:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21280; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:16:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21008; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20993; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:16:43 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA22026; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:16:42 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA03184; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000607090735.015f69d8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:08:24 -0700 To: Michelle Klein-Hass , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP600E: Egghead at $1899 -- good? In-Reply-To: References: <393DD897.71614F50@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:28 AM 6/7/2000 -0700, you wrote: >They *DID* offer to give me an RMA number. However, by the time they >deigned to give me that RMA number, I had already fallen in love with my >365X. You're all on the Thinkpads list...you know how that goes. That's a mighty expensive lesson in love... ;-) But paying the premium for ThinkPads all these years, I understand. - Randy From cph Wed Jun 7 12:49:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA06914 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:49:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23779; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:44:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23313; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23295; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:44:21 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JQBJMWVJ008X3BAH@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:47:35 CST Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 11:47:35 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Dell has outdone IBM again ! To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: http://www.pcworld.com/consumer/article/chart/0,5165,16808+2+1,00.html I thought that IBm has always been the best for customer service to their customers ?? That is the main selling point for IBm and the reason why their computers (thinkpad) are generally more expensive than the generic market producers ??? or maybe due to the high costs of IBM products there are less IBM customers to contribute to the online survey ????? From cph Wed Jun 7 15:26:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA08594 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:26:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15917; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:23:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15604; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15581; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:23:40 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Jon" , Subject: RE: Dell has outdone IBM again ! Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:21:30 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A086BFC@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Dell has outdone IBM again ! Thread-Index: Ab/Qn4u7JbTtTeqHQwW8JB7qKY6P1QAFkDZw List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA08595 Hmmm... This shows IBM and Dell as tied for notebooks. What was your point? ssh -----Original Message----- From: Jon [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 11:48 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Dell has outdone IBM again ! http://www.pcworld.com/consumer/article/chart/0,5165,16808+2+1,00.html I thought that IBm has always been the best for customer service to their customers ?? That is the main selling point for IBm and the reason why their computers (thinkpad) are generally more expensive than the generic market producers ??? or maybe due to the high costs of IBM products there are less IBM customers to contribute to the online survey ????? From cph Wed Jun 7 15:30:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA08619 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:30:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16364; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:28:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16222; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16207; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:28:17 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id PAA00782; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:28:16 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA19067; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000607120549.015ed3f0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 12:06:36 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Dell has outdone IBM again ! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:47 AM 6/7/2000 -0600, you wrote: >http://www.pcworld.com/consumer/article/chart/0,5165,16808+2+1,00.html > >I thought that IBm has always been the best for customer service to their >customers ?? That is the main selling point for IBm and the reason why >their computers (thinkpad) are generally more expensive than the generic >market producers ??? > >or maybe due to the high costs of IBM products there are less IBM >customers to contribute to the online survey ????? The table I saw showed IBM and Dell equal on Notebooks. From cph Wed Jun 7 15:44:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA08782 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:44:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17711; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:42:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17499; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17473; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (206.191.0.250 -> mx2.magma.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:42:31 -0400 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23313 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port92.magma.ca [209.217.123.92]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA15006 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006071942.PAA15006@mail4.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "TP List" Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 15:42:29 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000607120549.015ed3f0@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Dell has outdone IBM again ! List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 12:06:36 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >The table I saw showed IBM and Dell equal on Notebooks. There's also a table http://www.pcworld.com/consumer/article/chart/0,5165,13960+10+0,00.h tml that shows Dell ahead of IBM and includes Gateway in a dead heat and Micron, as others in the "good" category. Don't know why they're not in the overall chart. Unless I'm missing something, I think I'll purge this article from my memory now. andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Wed Jun 7 16:12:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09040 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:12:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20216; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:09:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20021; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20008; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:09:28 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JQBQSU2V808X3EB5@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:12:25 CST Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 15:12:24 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Re: Dell has outdone IBM again ! In-reply-to: <200006071942.PAA15006@mail4.magma.ca> To: Andrew Webber Cc: TP List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I am sorry i guess i didnt make it all clear cut. If we take a look at DELL top of the line notebook and IBM, at the same tier level notebook we can see that the Dell has a better specs (eg. ati rage 3d graphic card, bigger HDD) but generally the IBM would have a higher price. I do not know about other's experience with ibm service & support but they have been so far been excellent !! tel tech, websites tech support are top notch. I just cant see where DELL is winning ahead of IBM. On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Andrew Webber wrote: > On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 12:06:36 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > > >The table I saw showed IBM and Dell equal on Notebooks. > > There's also a table > > > http://www.pcworld.com/consumer/article/chart/0,5165,13960+10+0,00.h > tml > > that shows Dell ahead of IBM and includes Gateway in a dead heat > and Micron, as others in the "good" category. Don't know why > they're not in the overall chart. > > Unless I'm missing something, I think I'll purge this article from > my memory now. > > > andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] > ------ > for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html > > > From cph Wed Jun 7 16:14:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09064 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:14:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20632; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:12:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20379; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20361; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.org (216.254.0.5 -> gonzo.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:12:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 13165 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2000 20:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grace.speakeasy.org) (216.254.0.2) by gonzo.speakeasy.net with SMTP; 7 Jun 2000 20:12:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 15533 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2000 20:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wald5) (216.254.51.114) by grace.speakeasy.org with SMTP; 7 Jun 2000 20:12:02 -0000 From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Batteries - TP770 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:13:26 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Yesterday I had an interesting experience with IBM support. I currently have two ThinkPads (one 770 and one 770Z). The battery that I had in the 770Z was not charging fully to 100% on a consistent basis and I noticed that once it reached about 30% it would drop to 4% and begin a shutdown. I had two other batteries, one that I thought was OK, the other I was not sure about. The good one was in the 770 that my wife uses at home. In swapping out the bad battery in my 770Z with the other two batteries I found that neither of them would work in either ThinkPad. The one that I thought was OK would no longer work at all. So I had one not so good battery and two bad batteries. I immediately ordered from Centrix (recommended here) two new batteries. Both were the 4.8AM version (ASM P/N #02K6508). Neither of those batteries worked so I called IBM support thinking that perhaps there was something wrong with my laptop. IBM looked up the part numbers on all of the batteries (out of five batteries I had three different part numbers) and came back saying that all the batteries were on a list as being potentially defective and that they would replace them all. Today I received the first of four batteries I am expecting. I didn't set up an exchange for the fifth battery because it was at home in my wife's ThinkPad. The new battery works OK. It has an altogether different part number (ASM P/N #02K7017). The lesson here I think is that for any of you out there that have had similar experiences it might be worth a call to IBM to see if you can get a freee replacement. Best regards, Bill Armstrong From cph Wed Jun 7 16:37:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09308 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:37:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23252; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:33:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22891; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22878; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.org (216.254.0.5 -> gonzo.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:33:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 14943 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2000 20:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grace.speakeasy.org) (216.254.0.2) by gonzo.speakeasy.net with SMTP; 7 Jun 2000 20:33:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 14679 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2000 20:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wald5) (216.254.51.114) by grace.speakeasy.org with SMTP; 7 Jun 2000 20:33:48 -0000 From: "William Armstrong" To: "TP List" Subject: RE: Dell has outdone IBM again ! Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:35:12 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Jon, I don't see where the specs of the Dells are that different or better. For example, the A20p top machine has the same screen (15" SXGA+), is 1.8" thick (vs. 2.5" for the Inspiron 7500) and weighs 8.3lbs. (vs. 9.1lbs.). The A20p uses a 16MB ATI video chip while the Inspiron uses the same video chip with only 8MB. The only difference is in hard disk size: the A20p offers an 18GB HDD, the Inspiron a 25GB. For the HDD size I think the A20 is constrained by the narrower profile, but I imagine a larger drive from IBM will be announced soon. So who's better? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Jon [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 5:12 PM To: Andrew Webber Cc: TP List Subject: Re: Dell has outdone IBM again ! I am sorry i guess i didnt make it all clear cut. If we take a look at DELL top of the line notebook and IBM, at the same tier level notebook we can see that the Dell has a better specs (eg. ati rage 3d graphic card, bigger HDD) but generally the IBM would have a higher price. I do not know about other's experience with ibm service & support but they have been so far been excellent !! tel tech, websites tech support are top notch. I just cant see where DELL is winning ahead of IBM. On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Andrew Webber wrote: > On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 12:06:36 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > > >The table I saw showed IBM and Dell equal on Notebooks. > > There's also a table > > > http://www.pcworld.com/consumer/article/chart/0,5165,13960+10+0,00.h > tml > > that shows Dell ahead of IBM and includes Gateway in a dead heat > and Micron, as others in the "good" category. Don't know why > they're not in the overall chart. > > Unless I'm missing something, I think I'll purge this article from > my memory now. > > > andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] > ------ > for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html > > > From cph Wed Jun 7 17:50:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA10041 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:50:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28518; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:47:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28331; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28318; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.org (216.254.0.5 -> gonzo.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:47:15 -0400 Received: (qmail 19876 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2000 21:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grace.speakeasy.org) (216.254.0.2) by gonzo.speakeasy.net with SMTP; 7 Jun 2000 21:47:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 20628 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2000 21:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wald5) (216.254.51.114) by grace.speakeasy.org with SMTP; 7 Jun 2000 21:47:13 -0000 From: "William Armstrong" To: "JC" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Batteries - TP770 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:48:37 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.20000607173752.00a8d330@postoffice.att.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: 1-800-PS2-2227 -----Original Message----- From: JC [mailto:jerryrc@pobox.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 5:38 PM To: William Armstrong Subject: Re: Batteries - TP770 What number did you call at IBM At 04:13 PM 06/07/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Yesterday I had an interesting experience with IBM support. > >I currently have two ThinkPads (one 770 and one 770Z). The battery that I >had in the 770Z was not charging fully to 100% on a consistent basis and I >noticed that once it reached about 30% it would drop to 4% and begin a >shutdown. I had two other batteries, one that I thought was OK, the other I >was not sure about. The good one was in the 770 that my wife uses at home. >In swapping out the bad battery in my 770Z with the other two batteries I >found that neither of them would work in either ThinkPad. The one that I >thought was OK would no longer work at all. So I had one not so good battery >and two bad batteries. I immediately ordered from Centrix (recommended here) >two new batteries. Both were the 4.8AM version (ASM P/N #02K6508). Neither >of those batteries worked so I called IBM support thinking that perhaps >there was something wrong with my laptop. IBM looked up the part numbers on >all of the batteries (out of five batteries I had three different part >numbers) and came back saying that all the batteries were on a list as being >potentially defective and that they would replace them all. Today I received >the first of four batteries I am expecting. I didn't set up an exchange for >the fifth battery because it was at home in my wife's ThinkPad. The new >battery works OK. It has an altogether different part number (ASM P/N >#02K7017). > >The lesson here I think is that for any of you out there that have had >similar experiences it might be worth a call to IBM to see if you can get a >freee replacement. > >Best regards, >Bill Armstrong Jerry Cudmore From cph Wed Jun 7 20:48:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA11344 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:48:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09241; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:45:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08872; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08856; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (216.227.56.41 -> mail-1.sjc.telocity.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:45:56 -0400 Received: from dsl-216-227-14-85.chi.interchangedsl.com (dsl-216-227-14-85.chi.interchangedsl.com [216.227.14.85]) by mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA13100 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:45:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Stan Mocek To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600E: Egghead at $1899 -- good? Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:52:21 -0500 Reply-To: mocek@azb.com Message-ID: References: <200006060417.AAA19626@mail4.magma.ca> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:31:10 -0700, Michelle Klein-Hass wrote: >Egghead screwed me blind on my 365X. They represented it as a 365XD, >complete with CD-ROM and external floppy. However, it was a CD-ROMless >365X!! When I brought up the discrepancy between the information on the >website and the machine I got, they only gave me $75 for my troubles. That >isn't enough to get an external CD-ROM! > >I will never deal with Egghead again. Unfortunately I've heard of some people with the same experience from Onsale/Egghead. It seems that some of the vendors that sell through them are less than optimum. I just received the 600E that I bought on Friday in a sealed IBM box and the screen is perfect with no bad pixels. It's charging the battery as I write. As always I'll run it for a few days to check for problems. I've bough a 560, a 560X and now the 600E. In every case - what I bought was marked as "Shipped by OnSale or now, Egghead.com" and they all went off with a hitch. -- Stan Mocek mocek@azb.com From cph Wed Jun 7 20:49:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA11353 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:49:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09443; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:47:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09047; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09033; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:47:12 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a24.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.232]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27EF25F79; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:42:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <393EEC7A.FBE961DA@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 17:44:42 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon Subject: Re: Dell has outdone IBM again ! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The organization I work for has purchased over 4,000 Dells of which 1200 were Latitudes... and 1500 Thinkpads... No question about it... Dell support is astonishingly good... and a lot better than IBM who I would put in second place... I still like the Thinkpads better... but I like the people I work with to buy Dells so they get what they need and don't bug me so much... Dell is truly astonishing in customer service... you can't believe it until you have owned or been assigned a Dell laptop for two or three years. IBM could learn a few things... they cost a lot more than Dell computers too. From cph Wed Jun 7 21:06:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11502 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:06:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10559; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:04:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10401; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10388; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:04:25 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a24.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.232]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA06325D30; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:03:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <393EF15F.5C29425E@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 18:05:35 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Armstrong Cc: TP List Subject: Re: Dell has outdone IBM again ! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Dell, the computer isn't better... Dell customer support, service and repair, and ownership costs are better... much better... but I still own four Thinkpads for various insane reasons. From cph Wed Jun 7 21:13:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11540 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:13:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11320; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:12:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11187; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11174; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:12:04 -0400 Received: from 233.new-york-06-07rs.ny.dial-access.att.net ([12.78.194.233]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000608011202.SCXZ2120.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@233.new-york-06-07rs.ny.dial-access.att.net> for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:12:02 +0000 From: Robert Lawrence To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Batteries - TP770 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 21:12:00 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id VAA11541 About six months ago, the battery in my ThinkPad 770ED expired just after the end of the one-year warranty period for batteries. I called IBM at that time to ask whether these batteries were known to be defective, and was told that there were no known problems with the batteries. I chalked it all up to bad luck, but for some reason I saved the battery instead of discarding it. Today, I saw William Armstrong's message to this group, quoted below. I checked the part number of my old battery (actually the FRU P/N rather than the ASM P/N ), and found that it corresponded exactly to the number in Mr. Armstrong's posting -- #02K6508. This of course prompted me to call IBM again, and sure enough this battery is now listed as defective and they are sending me a new one free of charge. I consider myself fortunate that I happened to read Mr. Armstrong's posting in detail, and also in having saved the old battery. Robert Lawrence On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:13:26 -0400, William Armstrong wrote: >Yesterday I had an interesting experience with IBM support. > >I currently have two ThinkPads (one 770 and one 770Z). The battery that I >had in the 770Z was not charging fully to 100% on a consistent basis and I >noticed that once it reached about 30% it would drop to 4% and begin a >shutdown. I had two other batteries, one that I thought was OK, the other I >was not sure about. The good one was in the 770 that my wife uses at home. >In swapping out the bad battery in my 770Z with the other two batteries I >found that neither of them would work in either ThinkPad. The one that I >thought was OK would no longer work at all. So I had one not so good battery >and two bad batteries. I immediately ordered from Centrix (recommended here) >two new batteries. Both were the 4.8AM version (ASM P/N #02K6508). Neither >of those batteries worked so I called IBM support thinking that perhaps >there was something wrong with my laptop. IBM looked up the part numbers on >all of the batteries (out of five batteries I had three different part >numbers) and came back saying that all the batteries were on a list as being >potentially defective and that they would replace them all. Today I received >the first of four batteries I am expecting. I didn't set up an exchange for >the fifth battery because it was at home in my wife's ThinkPad. The new >battery works OK. It has an altogether different part number (ASM P/N >#02K7017). > >The lesson here I think is that for any of you out there that have had >similar experiences it might be worth a call to IBM to see if you can get a >freee replacement. > >Best regards, >Bill Armstrong From cph Wed Jun 7 21:47:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11699 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:47:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13195; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:43:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13016; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12998; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:43:15 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id VAA16852; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:43:08 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id VAA29596; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000607183620.015f31b8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 18:42:27 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Dell has outdone IBM again ! In-Reply-To: <393EEC7A.FBE961DA@theriver.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 05:44 PM 6/7/2000 -0700, you wrote: >No question about it... Dell support is astonishingly good... and a >lot better than IBM who I would put in second place... > >Dell is truly astonishing in customer service... you can't believe it >until you have owned or been assigned a Dell laptop for two or three >years. > >IBM could learn a few things... they cost a lot more than Dell >computers too. With all due respect, IBM *used* to be the gold standard in this dept. Its not that they need to learn anything from Dell, they just have to remember and go back to it. Those of us who go back a few years with earlier Thinkpads remember that service well. From cph Wed Jun 7 21:57:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11751 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:57:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13907; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:54:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13760; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cavecreations.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13743; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cavecreations.com (192.41.27.30 -> cavecreations.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:54:01 -0400 Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id VAA17967; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006080154.VAA17967@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Subject: Care and feeding of Li-Ion? List-Unsubscribe: I have 2 Li-Ion batteries for my Thinkpad 600E (2645-55U). One is the standard main, and one goes into the Ultraslim bay. Typically I get about 4 to 4.25 hours using both batteries. I've been running off of AC for about 2.5 weeks and earlier this week I decided to go portable. 30 minutes later, I get the battery warning. Going off of some other advice, I tried to cycle the batteries about 3 times (full run-up... full run-down). No luck. So I call Thinkpad support. Both batteries are relatively young (just about 1 year). Thinkpad support says there's nothing I can do -- batteries are dead. So now I'm stuck with spending about $450(!) for 2 new batteries. My questions: a) Are my batteries really dead? b) Can I do better on price? c) What do I need to do to maximize the life of my next pair of batteries? -Al From cph Wed Jun 7 23:59:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA12352 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:59:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19744; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:55:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19536; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-2.core.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19523; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-2.core.com (208.40.40.41 -> mx2.core.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:55:33 -0400 Received: from megsinet.net ([209.81.176.224]) by smtp-2.core.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FVTHHV03.TQS for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:53:55 -0400 Message-ID: <393F19EF.10026EFB@megsinet.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 23:58:39 -0400 From: Charles Monett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP730: Memory Cards, where are they? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm contemplating on getting a 16mb memory card for my 730T (kingston preferred, but any will do), but the problem is finding a reliable, yet low cost place for them... recommendations? (mail order/online or not) From cph Thu Jun 8 11:45:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA15245 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:45:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08313; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:39:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07610; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07594; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:39:13 -0400 Received: from davidreid (tnt10-216-180-65-240.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.240]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with SMTP id e58FdBG13325 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:39:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007d01bfd15f$91a0dc40$f041b4d8@davidreid> From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: TP 760 ELD - Any upgrade caveats? Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:38:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I have a colleague at work running a 760ELD, 32RAM, 2GBHDD with W95 (I assume "B"). Are there any issues we should know about regarding upgrading to W98, upgrading the HDD etc for the 760ELD? Thaks list ______________ David Reid dwreid@hiwaay.net From cph Thu Jun 8 12:23:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15581 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:23:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13808; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:20:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13503; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lancaster.goamerica.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13484; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lancaster.goamerica.net (206.138.237.251 -> lancaster.goamerica.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:19:56 -0400 Received: from dragon.goamerica.net (dragon.goamerica.net [206.138.237.234]) by lancaster.goamerica.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11494; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jmcjr (sttl6400gw3poolc117.sttl.uswest.net [63.225.175.117]) by dragon.goamerica.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA24275; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000608091841.009446d0@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 09:18:41 -0700 To: "Ray Bay" , "William Armstrong" From: Not Me Subject: Re: Dell has outdone IBM again ! Cc: "TP List" In-Reply-To: <393EF15F.5C29425E@theriver.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:05 PM 6/7/00 -0700, Ray Bay wrote: >Dell, the computer isn't better... Dell customer support, service and >repair, and ownership costs are better... much better... but I still >own four Thinkpads for various insane reasons. > > A couple of years ago I got a call from an IBM market researcher regarding my experience with IBM service and support for my ThinkPad. I told him that ThinkPad service and support was the best I had ever received on any computer, laptop or desktop. Then he asked specifically about Dell. I told him that I had no direct experience with Dell but I had a colleague who had bought three Dell computers, primarily because of Dell's excellent support. So, even a couple of years ago it seems that IBM was aware of Dell's excellent support. From cph Thu Jun 8 12:29:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15623 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:29:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14651; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:26:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14502; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14478; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:26:37 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA15243; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:26:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: , Subject: RE: TP600E: Egghead at $1899 -- good? Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:26:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: > Unfortunately I've heard of some people with the same experience from > Onsale/Egghead. It seems that some of the vendors that sell through them > are less than optimum. I just received the 600E that I bought on Friday > in a sealed IBM box and the screen is perfect with no bad pixels. It's > charging the battery as I write. As always I'll run it for a few days to > check for problems. I've bough a 560, a 560X and now the 600E. > > In every case - what I bought was marked as "Shipped by OnSale or now, > Egghead.com" and they all went off with a hitch. That is the key with Egghead. The ThinkPads that they sell themselves (billed by Egghead, shipped by Egghead) are either new or refurbished by IBM, and shipped in a sealed IBM box. The machines that are billed or shipped by other companies (which tend to be the older models) are really just used machines that were "refurbished" by that third party. -Mike From cph Thu Jun 8 12:31:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15643 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:31:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14997; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:28:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14786; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14772; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (209.228.14.206 -> c008-h017.c008.sfo.cp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:28:52 -0400 Received: (cpmta 12405 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2000 09:28:50 -0700 Received: from okc2A-hfc-0251-d8d857bd.ok.coxatwork.com (HELO concentric.net) (216.216.87.189) by smtp.okc.coxatwork.com (209.228.14.206) with SMTP; 8 Jun 2000 09:28:50 -0700 X-Sent: 8 Jun 2000 16:28:50 GMT Message-ID: <393FC9D3.B28E4517@concentric.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:29:07 -0500 From: "Robert D. Baron" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: "Albert C. Lee" Subject: Re: Care and feeding of Li-Ion? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > a) Are my batteries really dead? just for the heck of it, run the diagnostics tests at the BIOS startup. I've got a TP600 that is showing a green light (battery charged) but also a charging symbol in the systray. IBM support suggested I run the diagnostics and sure enough a system board error was reported. It goes out via Easyserv shortly. From cph Thu Jun 8 14:48:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA16587 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:48:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01996; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:44:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01563; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01550; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:44:16 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a10.pm3-26.theriver.com [208.164.102.74]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6DD26114; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:41:42 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <393FE97F.290A3D01@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:44:15 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Reid Cc: ThinkPad-L Subject: Re: TP 760 ELD - Any upgrade caveats? References: <007d01bfd15f$91a0dc40$f041b4d8@davidreid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: He/She should definitely upgrade RAM another 32 MB... If they have the 1.2 GB HD, it would simplify things to upgrade that to a larger size... The RAM is listed as available for $65 at igo.com but they won't ship because they screwed up and really want $125. www.thechipmerchant.com has it for $95 plus about $8 shipping and handling. Bill Morrow on this list has good deals on hard drives... perhaps others do to... If you go to www.igo.com, IBM's official choice to handle parts and accessories for computers that old, the 2.1 GB drive is $399 and the 6 Gb is about $700... If this computer has the 2.1 GB already, I would have to have a good reason to upgrade to a larger drive, because a larger drive won't be much faster. And there are a number of disks to be downloaded from the www.ibm.com site for that computer including a new BIOS last February... and a number of upgrade floppy disks for Windows 98... takes a couple of hours to download and install them. From cph Thu Jun 8 15:29:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16933 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:29:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07305; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:25:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07164; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phnxpop3.phnx.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07137; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phnxpop3.phnx.uswest.net (206.80.192.3 -> phnxpop3.phnx.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:25:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 7484 invoked by alias); 8 Jun 2000 19:22:27 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 27120 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2000 19:19:14 -0000 Received: from aydialup180.phnx.uswest.net (63.225.214.180) by phnxpop3.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 8 Jun 2000 19:19:14 -0000 From: Ted Wiseman To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600E: Egghead at $1899 -- good? Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:19:11 -0700 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA16934 On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:26:30 -0700, you wrote: >That is the key with Egghead. The ThinkPads that they sell themselves >(billed by Egghead, shipped by Egghead) are either new or refurbished by >IBM, and shipped in a sealed IBM box. The machines that are billed or >shipped by other companies (which tend to be the older models) are really >just used machines that were "refurbished" by that third party. > >-Mike I agree, and it's those "other companies" one has to look out for. I've learned to pass on an item at the Egghead auction if not shipped by Egghead or other known entity - HP, Sony, IBM. That was learned through a recent fiasco w/ a monitor I bought via one of the unknown "other companies". In the end though, many of the third party sales at their auction are still billed by Egghead, and my experience is that they ultimately take responsibility for customer satisfaction. Through the monitor dispute and one also w/ a TP 240 bought at auction, I've found their level of service and commitment to satisfaction to be very good. Even so, always use a credit card!! From cph Thu Jun 8 16:08:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17196 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:08:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12336; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:05:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11862; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cavecreations.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11848; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cavecreations.com (192.41.27.30 -> cavecreations.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:05:02 -0400 Received: from alee0729 (adsl-151-197-18-29.bellatlantic.net [151.197.18.29]) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id QAA19130; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:05:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cavecreations.com: Host adsl-151-197-18-29.bellatlantic.net [151.197.18.29] claimed to be alee0729 From: "Albert C. Lee" To: Subject: RE: Care and feeding of Li-Ion? Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:05:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <393FC9D3.B28E4517@concentric.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the suggestion. I tried it with no luck. System seems in good shape according to the diagnostics. Must be the batteries. -Al -----Original Message----- From: Robert D. Baron [mailto:rbaron@concentric.net] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:29 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Albert C. Lee Subject: Re: Care and feeding of Li-Ion? > a) Are my batteries really dead? just for the heck of it, run the diagnostics tests at the BIOS startup. I've got a TP600 that is showing a green light (battery charged) but also a charging symbol in the systray. IBM support suggested I run the diagnostics and sure enough a system board error was reported. It goes out via Easyserv shortly. From cph Thu Jun 8 16:36:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17459 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:36:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14289; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:32:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14108; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14086; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:32:37 -0400 Received: from ballarda (user-38ld50i.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.148.18]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA27249; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000e01bfd189$bfba5e10$6f6f6f6f@ballarda> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Ray Bay" , "William Armstrong" , "Not Me" Cc: "TP List" Subject: Re: Dell has outdone IBM again ! Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:40:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Didn't IBM contract with Dell, offering some of their R&D for information on marketing, direct supply, etc? -----Original Message----- From: Not Me To: Ray Bay ; William Armstrong Cc: TP List Date: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:21 PM Subject: Re: Dell has outdone IBM again ! >At 06:05 PM 6/7/00 -0700, Ray Bay wrote: >>Dell, the computer isn't better... Dell customer support, service >and >>repair, and ownership costs are better... much better... but I still >>own four Thinkpads for various insane reasons. >> >> > >A couple of years ago I got a call from an IBM market researcher >regarding my experience with IBM service and support for my ThinkPad. > >I told him that ThinkPad service and support was the best I had ever >received on any computer, laptop or desktop. > >Then he asked specifically about Dell. I told him that I had no >direct experience with Dell but I had a colleague who had bought >three Dell computers, primarily because of Dell's excellent support. > >So, even a couple of years ago it seems that IBM was aware of Dell's >excellent support. > > From cph Thu Jun 8 17:56:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA18135 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:56:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21456; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:52:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21221; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.twp-llc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21172; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.twp-llc.com (209.46.32.50) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:52:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by alpha.twp-llc.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA25973 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:50:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:50:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600X price drop Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: FYI, I have been shopping for a new ThinkPad, and I noticed that IBM has dropped the price on most ThinkPad 600X models by $300, except the 2645-5FU is down $400 to $3199. Chris From cph Thu Jun 8 19:13:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA18673 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:13:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27083; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:09:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26865; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26851; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:09:39 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.9.3) with SMTP id e58N9Il00471; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:09:19 -0700 Message-ID: <003101bfd19f$5d09ecc0$03785a8e@pmachule> From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "David Reid" Cc: References: <007d01bfd15f$91a0dc40$f041b4d8@davidreid> Subject: Re: TP 760 ELD - Any upgrade caveats? Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:14:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Yeah ...Why ?? ;-} Seriously, Win 98 is not an upgrade of 95 . The only thing it does better is USB support, which you don't have . It is a partial step back in other areas for people who actually use computers . The Active Desktop? ....give me a break . The Dozen of people I have "upgraded" to Win 98 are all less than impressed and are now running Win98 Lite or are planning to. Do not waste your money .... A little more memory might usefull , but we are talking about a computer worth less than $500 ;-{ There don't spend $100's . ie an additional 8MB of memory for $16 would be a usefull upgrade for web browsing. ...peter.. 760ELD = P100, no cache ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 8:38 AM Subject: TP 760 ELD - Any upgrade caveats? > I have a colleague at work running a 760ELD, 32RAM, 2GBHDD with W95 > (I assume "B"). > > Are there any issues we should know about regarding upgrading to W98, > upgrading the HDD etc for the 760ELD? > > Thaks list > > ______________ > David Reid > dwreid@hiwaay.net > > From cph Thu Jun 8 19:21:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA18774 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:21:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27697; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:19:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27582; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27569; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:18:58 -0400 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcp-171-69-70-191.cisco.com [171.69.70.191]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA16853 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <394029DF.9165C7A1@ricochet.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 16:18:55 -0700 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: care and feeding of Li-Ion batteries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Near as I can tell, you need to stick to a few points: 1. Once it's charged, pull the battery out of the machine. 2. Once you start using it, use it all the way down. 3. Once you start charging it, don't use it until it is fully charged. Now, I seem to recall that IBM suggests that you drop them down to 0% periodically. However, my experience shows that either running them down to 5% on a regular basis or by keeping them plugged in all the time while you're using the machine [battery is charged, machine is running off of AC] you end up with dead batteries after a while. )-: No fun. This did involve full charge/discharge cycles, "almost never" going for a half-discharge then a recharge. Please note that in a two-battery configuration on a 770ED [latest bios as of February-ish], the first battery [in the ultrabay] gets drained down to zero percent before it swaps to the battery in the regular spot. This makes me suspicious, so I've started to swap batteries as I've been using them. From cph Thu Jun 8 20:08:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA19043 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:08:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00579; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:05:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00478; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00464; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:05:14 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05882; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394034AC.4FCA3337@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:05:00 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP CC: David Reid , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 760 ELD - Any upgrade caveats? References: <007d01bfd15f$91a0dc40$f041b4d8@davidreid> <003101bfd19f$5d09ecc0$03785a8e@pmachule> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Win98 resumes from a suspend a lot slower than Win95 (which is a LOT slower than Linux). Win2000 resumes quite quickly, however. --Lee Hetherington From cph Thu Jun 8 20:21:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA19097 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:21:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01510; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:17:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01323; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01310; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:17:47 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02549 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39403752.49D8485D@stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 17:16:18 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 760 ELD - Any upgrade caveats? References: <007d01bfd15f$91a0dc40$f041b4d8@davidreid> <003101bfd19f$5d09ecc0$03785a8e@pmachule> <394034AC.4FCA3337@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I Lee Hetherington wrote: > > Win98 resumes from a suspend a lot slower than Win95 (which is a LOT > slower than Linux). Win2000 resumes quite quickly, however. > > --Lee Hetherington Win98 reloads all the device drivers upon resume while Win95 doesn't. The Win98 way is supposedly more stable, but I found the wait too annoying and went back to Win95. Dunno about Win2K. Benjamin -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (68k/PPC) or PC without IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Thu Jun 8 23:14:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA19761 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:14:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08626; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:11:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08420; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08406; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:11:16 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a1.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.209]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E75826168; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:06:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39405FCD.5BD95EF3@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:09:01 -0700 From: Steve Canyon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Scott Beals Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: care and feeding of Li-Ion batteries References: <394029DF.9165C7A1@ricochet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I believe all these points are left over from the NiCad and NiMH batteries. The rules mentioned do definitely apply to these two older style, less powerful battery. I work as an electrical engineer for the Navy where battery power is always critical. There is no advantage in pulling a LiON battery from your machine unless it is going to be exposed to excess heat or cold. It is designed to work just fine with no deterioration if left alone for 6 months. It is good to use it all the way down to 3 or 5 percent, but only as a check on its reliability as some batteries are defective and this is a way some defects will show up. The charging cycle isn't important for the LiON. It doesn't matter how far down it has discharged before you start charging.... Except that you don't want it to totally discharge without immediately starting to charge it... and even then, IBM and EZServe say there is very little, if anything, to worry about. There is a loss if you totally discharge it a number of times... there is a circuit in the battery which tracks how much it is used and determines its useful life from the number of discharges and full charges... Again a reason to keep it in your machine all the time. The battery will not charge if within 3 to 5 percent of a full charge... so if it isn't going to 100 percent in those situations, don't worry about it. I am still using two LiON batteries for two machines purchased in August of 1997 working pretty much as new ones do and they have had all the abuse you can think of. Steve Canyon From cph Thu Jun 8 23:49:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA19952 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:49:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09862; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:28:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09661; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09648; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:28:16 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06840 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3940644A.B88F8365@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 23:28:10 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: care and feeding of Li-Ion batteries References: <394029DF.9165C7A1@ricochet.net> <39405FCD.5BD95EF3@theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I think IBM must have had some bad batches of batteries. Note that both the TP770 and TP600 batteries have changed part numbers over the last year or so. I wonder why. We're replacing about five of fifteen TP600 batteries that are about a 1-1.5 years old. --Lee Hetherington From cph Thu Jun 8 23:57:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA19987 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:57:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10450; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:43:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10264; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10251; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:43:05 -0400 Received: from davidreid (tnt10-216-180-65-118.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.118]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with SMTP id e593XHG20403 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:33:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004701bfd1c3$53ac6c60$7641b4d8@davidreid> From: "David Reid" To: References: <394029DF.9165C7A1@ricochet.net> Subject: TP Ok to attach pwr cord while running? (was: Re: care and feeding of Li-Ion batteries) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:26:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: This has brought a question to mind, as simple minded as it may be . . . I don't recall seeing in the manual "when" it's ok to plug or unplug to/from power. Is it ok to plug a running notebook up to power or should it be shut down first? Sorry if this is considered a stupid question :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Scott Beals" To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 6:18 PM Subject: care and feeding of Li-Ion batteries > Near as I can tell, you need to stick to a few points: > > 1. Once it's charged, pull the battery out of the machine. > 2. Once you start using it, use it all the way down. > 3. Once you start charging it, don't use it until it is fully > charged. > > > Now, I seem to recall that IBM suggests that you drop them down to 0% > periodically. However, my experience shows that either running them > down to 5% on a regular basis or by keeping them plugged in all the time > while you're using the machine [battery is charged, machine is running > off of AC] you end up with dead batteries after a while. )-: No fun. > This did involve full charge/discharge cycles, "almost never" going for > a half-discharge then a recharge. > > Please note that in a two-battery configuration on a 770ED [latest bios > as of February-ish], the first battery [in the ultrabay] gets drained > down to zero percent before it swaps to the battery in the regular > spot. This makes me suspicious, so I've started to swap batteries as > I've been using them. > > > From cph Fri Jun 9 00:08:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA20085 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:08:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11482; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:01:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11209; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11181; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.122 -> pilot022.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:00:50 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (symposium.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.43]) by pilot022.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA148296 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:26:17 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000608231632.00da9340@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 23:26:42 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: care and feeding of Li-Ion batteries In-Reply-To: <39405FCD.5BD95EF3@theriver.com> References: <394029DF.9165C7A1@ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Well Steve I'm going to have to disagree with you on one point: If you leave them trickle charging as ThinkPad's do, over time-- like several months--you're going to have severely diminished their capacity. I have seen this effect on 1) My ThinkPad 1480, 2) A Li-Ion battery for a handheld amateur radio unit, and 3) a homebrew power system that a friend created for a boom box. In all cases, the batteries were trickle charged over a longish period of time. Now, I know that I have read just what you say, that these batteries are not supposed to be concerned with charge cycles or rates, but I also remember statements to this effect when NiMH batteries first came out, which proved wrong. Given that you work with really high quality batteries in the Navy, I wonder if perhaps you are using something that isn't commonly available in the commercial world--or isn't used due to cost sensitivity in the consumer electronics world? Given my experiences in zapping most of my first battery (its at about 30% capacity now) after leaving it in all the time, I don't do that with my second--I leave the original one there, acting as my personal UPS. If you have experience with batteries that have not had ill effects after trickle charging for say 8 weeks, I'd like to have the manufacturer and model numbers of them, if you can do that. I WANT to believe this about them, but personal experience now has taught me otherwise. I have yet to see a battery that is as rugged and as cheerfully accepting of storage/charge conditions as people said the Li-Ion's were/are. --STeve Andre' At 08:09 PM 6/8/00 -0700, Steve Canyon wrote: >I believe all these points are left over from the NiCad and NiMH >batteries. The rules mentioned do definitely apply to these two older >style, less powerful battery. I work as an electrical engineer for >the Navy where battery power is always critical. > >There is no advantage in pulling a LiON battery from your machine >unless it is going to be exposed to excess heat or cold. It is >designed to work just fine with no deterioration if left alone for 6 >months. > >It is good to use it all the way down to 3 or 5 percent, but only as a >check on its reliability as some batteries are defective and this is a >way some defects will show up. > >The charging cycle isn't important for the LiON. It doesn't matter >how far down it has discharged before you start charging.... Except >that you don't want it to totally discharge without immediately >starting to charge it... and even then, IBM and EZServe say there is >very little, if anything, to worry about. > >There is a loss if you totally discharge it a number of times... there >is a circuit in the battery which tracks how much it is used and >determines its useful life from the number of discharges and full >charges... Again a reason to keep it in your machine all the time. > >The battery will not charge if within 3 to 5 percent of a full >charge... so if it isn't going to 100 percent in those situations, >don't worry about it. > >I am still using two LiON batteries for two machines purchased in >August of 1997 working pretty much as new ones do and they have had >all the abuse you can think of. > > >Steve Canyon From cph Fri Jun 9 00:50:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA20242 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:50:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13837; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:46:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13657; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13642; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:46:05 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a1.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.209]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3540025CEE; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:46:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3940771C.7402B98F@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 21:48:28 -0700 From: Steve Canyon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: care and feeding of Li-Ion batteries References: <394029DF.9165C7A1@ricochet.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000608231632.00da9340@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Just not true... We have over 2000 thinkpads spread out over 13 facilities... sure we have some bad ones... some defective ones, but most of them have lasted more than three years without measurable diminished capacity or problems... We buy our batteries and our Thinkpads on bid from the lowest bidders... or from Government approved (GSA) outlets. We have been laughing about the prevailing theology regarding LiON batteries for a long time... and it isn't just Thinkpads... People got it in their heads to treat LiON like NiMH... that's all. From cph Fri Jun 9 03:57:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA20916 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:57:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21500; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:50:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21310; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21291; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:50:46 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-123.gate.net [199.227.20.186]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA33908; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:50:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3940A1D6.5B4D53E8@gate.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 03:50:46 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Reid CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Ok to attach pwr cord while running? (was: Re: care and feeding of Li-Ion batteries) References: <394029DF.9165C7A1@ricochet.net> <004701bfd1c3$53ac6c60$7641b4d8@davidreid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David... FWIW, i plug and unplug at any time.. never any problems with batteries or ac adapters.. David Reid wrote: > This has brought a question to mind, as simple minded as it may be . > . . > > I don't recall seeing in the manual "when" it's ok to plug or unplug > to/from power. > > Is it ok to plug a running notebook up to power or should it be shut > down first? > > **SNIP** -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri Jun 9 04:01:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA20936 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:01:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21886; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:55:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21676; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21663; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:55:13 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-123.gate.net [199.227.20.186]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA179318; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:54:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3940A2B8.144C2806@gate.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 03:54:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charles Monett CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP730: Memory Cards, where are they? References: <393F19EF.10026EFB@megsinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Apricorn has the best prices on the DRAM CC memory parts.. probably because they make them.. others just buy them now.. Charles Monett wrote: > I'm contemplating on getting a 16mb memory card for my 730T (kingston > preferred, but any will do), but the problem is finding a reliable, yet > low cost place for them... recommendations? (mail order/online or not) -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri Jun 9 04:03:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA20943 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:03:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22222; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:57:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22079; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22066; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:57:29 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-123.gate.net [199.227.20.186]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA81224 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:57:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3940A36C.BCADDFF4@gate.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 03:57:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: A20p Keyboard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thus far, the A20p keyboard is as mooth and silky as any i have ever used on a thinkpad.. the mechanism is similar, but not the same, as the 600/770 keyboards.. (both use a scissor type mechanism) -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri Jun 9 05:37:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA21176 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:37:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29661; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:30:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29543; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from entek3.entek.chalmers.se (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29530; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from entek3.entek.chalmers.se (129.16.54.11 -> entek3.entek.chalmers.se) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:30:28 -0400 Received: from entekpc23 (entekpc23.entek.chalmers.se [129.16.54.23]) by entek3.entek.chalmers.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA12588; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:30:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <003a01bfd1f5$56dd4e40$17361081@entek.chalmers.se> From: "Niclas Mattsson" To: "Steve Canyon" Cc: References: <394029DF.9165C7A1@ricochet.net> <39405FCD.5BD95EF3@theriver.com> Subject: Re: care and feeding of Li-Ion batteries Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:30:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Steve Canyon wrote: > The charging cycle isn't important for the LiON. It doesn't matter > how far down it has discharged before you start charging.... Except > that you don't want it to totally discharge without immediately > starting to charge it... and even then, IBM and EZServe say there is > very little, if anything, to worry about. I really hope you're right, but the documentation of my new T20 (with Li-ion battery) reads otherwise, see below. It seems that the official message is to treat it like old batteries! > The battery will not charge if within 3 to 5 percent of a full > charge... so if it isn't going to 100 percent in those situations, > don't worry about it. I'll have to try that out. But it's good news because I won't have to worry about the note below ("don't recharge above 95%"). Niclas Mattsson ------------- Increase battery life The amount of battery power your computer users depends on such conditions as the frequency of use, the operating temperature, and the length of any period uses during which the computer was unused. The following tips can help you extend the life of your battery: Do not charge the battery pack until all of its power is used. Recharging a battery pack that is not completely discharged can shorten battery life. Once you start charging the battery pack, do not use it until it is fully charged. Whenever possible, use the ThinkPad(R) battery power-saving modes you can set in the Power Management wizard. If you will not be using the computer for a long period, remove the battery pack and keep it in a cool place. Note: To increase the life of the battery pack, do not recharge the battery when the remaining power is greater than 95 percent. [From the FAQ] To maximize battery life, do the following: Use the battery until the charge is completely depleted--until the battery and power LEDs flash in unison. Recharge the battery completely before using it. The battery is fully charged if the battery LED shows green when the ac adapter is plugged in. For a new battery or a battery that you have not used recently, do one o the following: Recharge the battery completely before using it. The battery is fully charged when the ac adapter is plugged in and the battery LED is green. Use the battery until the charge is completely depleted--until that is the battery and power LEDs flash in unison). Always use power management features such as power modes, screen blank, standby, and hibernation. From cph Fri Jun 9 05:52:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA21204 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:52:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00321; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:45:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00205; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from entek3.entek.chalmers.se (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00190; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from entek3.entek.chalmers.se (129.16.54.11 -> entek3.entek.chalmers.se) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:45:56 -0400 Received: from entekpc23 (entekpc23.entek.chalmers.se [129.16.54.23]) by entek3.entek.chalmers.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA12752 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:45:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <007401bfd1f7$81a402c0$17361081@entek.chalmers.se> From: "Niclas Mattsson" To: Subject: CTRL/FN key switch, WHY?!? Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:45:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I have a new T20 which seems great in almost every respect (especially after returning two junky Latitudes to Dell), BUT: Why did IBM switch the layout of the CTRL & FN keys? I can't stand it! It's a nightmare for a quasi-touchtyper like myself. Is it possible to remap CTRL to the FN key somehow? Niclas Mattsson From cph Fri Jun 9 07:31:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA21593 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:31:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08258; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:23:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08147; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08134; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (205.152.115.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:23:57 -0400 Received: from jnipper.m-y.net (line189.m-y.net [216.77.88.119]) by my1.m-y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15556 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:21:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200006091121.HAA15556@my1.m-y.net> From: "Computer Guru" To: Subject: Thinkpad 1420i Questions: Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:24:07 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello All, After allready sending my "i-series" Thinkpad back to EZ Serv once to replace the defective USB Board, I have a few questions about the unit. 1) When on battery power, I can never get the screen as bright as it is when using the AC Adapter... Why is this? It shows that is it set to Max. Brightness, but it is just not as bright as when I use the AC. 2) When I put it into hibernation mode, I hear a loud humm until it enters hibernation. Is this normal? Thanks, Jim From cph Fri Jun 9 09:23:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA22029 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:23:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15659; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:16:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15429; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europe.std.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15415; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europe.std.com (199.172.62.20 -> europe.std.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:16:06 -0400 Received: from world.std.com (root@world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08748 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from world.std.com (docs.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.168.162]) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29053 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3940EDCE.E26F5EC5@world.std.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:14:54 -0400 From: Rod Owen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-DIAL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600x boot on battery power fails Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On my 600x, running on a fully charged battery, the Windows 98 splash screen appears, and then the computer turns off. The bootlog.txt shows LoadSuccess on atm32.dll, then LoadFail on DISPLAY.drv (code 0002) and, afer success on vga.drv and SSERIFE.FON and DISPLAY.drv, finally fail on user.exe (code 0000). If I boot to the command prompt and type "win" to start Windows, Windows 98 comes up all right but then complains "Display: There is a problem with your display setting. The adapter type is incorrect, or the current settings do not match your hardware." I have the latest BIOS (ITET47WW), and so far have upgraded the NeoMagic drivers to 4.11.01.6106-Q1.06.04. No luck. Is this a hardware or software problem? Do you know how to fix it? Thank you. From cph Fri Jun 9 09:49:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA22149 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:49:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17776; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:42:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17438; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rrds.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17417; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rrds.co.uk (194.128.85.3 -> mail.rdel.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:42:42 -0400 Received: from rdel.co.uk (unverified) by mail.rrds.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 14:42:44 +0100 Received: by rdel.co.uk id NAA22132 ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:42:33 GMT Received: by ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BFD220.F3B07F00@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:42:35 +0100 Message-Id: <01BFD220.F3B07F00@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk> From: Darren Kennedy To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: 600x boot on battery power fails Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:42:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Rob, My immediate impression from what you've said is that either your display driver is incorrect for the hardware, or you are trying to use settings it doesn't like eg color palette, resolution or refresh rate. If you can, get win98 to boot in safe mode and either reset the display characteristics to default settings for the adaptor, or set the adaptor to use drivers you know will work. I'm not familier with the 600 but you may find the standard laptop 800x600 drivers are a good starting point if unsure. Darren Kennedy. darren.kennedy@rdel.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Rod Owen [SMTP:owen@world.std.com] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 2:15 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600x boot on battery power fails On my 600x, running on a fully charged battery, the Windows 98 splash screen appears, and then the computer turns off. The bootlog.txt shows LoadSuccess on atm32.dll, then LoadFail on DISPLAY.drv (code 0002) and, afer success on vga.drv and SSERIFE.FON and DISPLAY.drv, finally fail on user.exe (code 0000). If I boot to the command prompt and type "win" to start Windows, Windows 98 comes up all right but then complains "Display: There is a problem with your display setting. The adapter type is incorrect, or the current settings do not match your hardware." I have the latest BIOS (ITET47WW), and so far have upgraded the NeoMagic drivers to 4.11.01.6106-Q1.06.04. No luck. Is this a hardware or software problem? Do you know how to fix it? Thank you. From cph Fri Jun 9 11:14:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA22766 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:14:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26074; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:12:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25768; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25755; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:12:12 -0400 Received: from ann (dialup-63.214.13.49.Seattle1.Level3.net [63.214.13.49]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id IAA25206 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:10:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert Nicholson" To: Subject: Have Penguin on 600x want more :-) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:12:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3940EDCE.E26F5EC5@world.std.com> List-Unsubscribe: OK, I've got the framebuffer working from the kernel config that Manoj Kasichainula has but I'd like to get sound working too. Can anybody point me to the instructions for getting sound working ie. want to play mp3s etc. Also, I have a couple of moddep issues are runtime. Unresolved symbols in some kernel modules and I explicitly "Switch off" so I'm not sure why it's complaining about them. ie. one of them is the Matrox one. From cph Fri Jun 9 11:31:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA22890 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:31:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27587; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:29:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27409; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27393; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:29:21 -0400 Received: by porkchop.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:34:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: A20p just arrived Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:33:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFD228.21DC6540" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFD228.21DC6540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just received the A20p (2629-62U). I have only had it about 30 minutes. Initial impressions: 1. Keyboard is more like a 600 keyboard, not like a 770 keyboard. Still good quality, but less travel than a 770. 2. 15" 1400x1050 screen is very good, very bright, and readable even with small fonts. 3. The only rubberized finished areas on the machine is the top and side of the screen. The other areas are hard plastic. (Unlike the 770/600 which are rubberized on all exterior surfaces.) 4. DVD playback with W2K seemed adequate. 5. Build quality seems very good. Screen seems very durable with a good frame around it for protection. 6. IBM has added small ridges to the inverted T arrow keys, similar to the J and F keys to help you find them I would assume. 7. The keyboard light seems like a gimmick right now, as it doesn't do too much to light up the keyboard (yes, I tried it in a dark room.) 8. Trackpoint looks and works the same as with other Thinkpads. 9. Speed and video speed seem very good subjectively. I haven't run any benchmarks yet. I will report more as I work with the machine. Greg ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFD228.21DC6540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A20p just arrived

Just received the A20p (2629-62U). I = have only had it about 30 minutes. Initial impressions:

1. Keyboard is more like a 600 = keyboard, not like a 770 keyboard. Still good quality, but less travel = than a 770.

2. 15" 1400x1050 screen is very = good, very bright, and readable even with small fonts.

3. The only rubberized finished areas = on the machine is the top and side of the screen. The other areas are = hard plastic. (Unlike the 770/600 which are rubberized on all exterior = surfaces.)

4. DVD playback with W2K seemed = adequate.

5. Build quality seems very good. = Screen seems very durable with a good frame around it for = protection.

6. IBM has added small ridges to the = inverted T arrow keys, similar to the J and F keys to help you find = them I would assume.

7. The keyboard light seems like a = gimmick right now, as it doesn't do too much to light up the keyboard = (yes, I tried it in a dark room.)

8. Trackpoint looks and works the same = as with other Thinkpads.

9. Speed and video speed seem very = good subjectively.  I haven't run any benchmarks yet.

I will report more as I work with the = machine.

Greg

------_=_NextPart_001_01BFD228.21DC6540-- From cph Fri Jun 9 12:27:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA23215 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:27:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03086; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:23:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02688; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02674; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:23:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (jeffj1@localhost) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with ESMTP id e59GMxF05817; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:23:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:22:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Jackowski To: Computer Guru cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 1420i Questions: In-Reply-To: <200006091121.HAA15556@my1.m-y.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Computer Guru wrote: > Hello All, > > After allready sending my "i-series" Thinkpad back to EZ Serv once to > replace the defective USB Board, I have a few questions about the unit. > > 1) When on battery power, I can never get the screen as bright as it is > when using the AC Adapter... Why is this? It shows that is it set to Max. > Brightness, but it is just not as bright as when I use the AC. This is a power saving feature. At least on my 765D, there is a brightness option that keeps it from dimming the display when on battery power, but it still dims a little. Oh well, I normally keep it dim anyway. > 2) When I put it into hibernation mode, I hear a loud humm until it enters > hibernation. Is this normal? That is something I don't know about. I hope it isn't any sound that your harddrive or fan doesn't make. Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph Fri Jun 9 12:32:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA23246 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:32:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03572; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:30:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03412; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03399; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:30:22 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA21853; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:30:20 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA03667; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000609084108.01688af0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:30:11 -0700 To: Greg Langham , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Keyboard Light (was: A20p just arrived) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 10:33 AM 6/9/2000 -0500, you wrote: >7. The keyboard light seems like a gimmick right now, as it doesn't do too >much to light up the keyboard (yes, I tried it in a dark room.) Ack! I disagree! (at least on my T20.) Have I needed to use it much? No. But when I *have*, it makes a *huge* difference. When its *really* dark--say in my bedroom with my wife sleeping, or in the passenger seat of a car at night--that keyboard light is *wonderful*. Yes, yes...you get a certain amount of light/glow from the screen, but it really doesn't illuminate the keyboard much at all--certainly not enough to really see anything. And this black keyboard is really *pitch* black, so its really tough to see. The Keyboard light puts a nice, soft glow onto the keyboard. Its perfect. I know its a bit of a gimmick, but I *have* found it to come in useful and at those times, it has worked *very* well. From cph Fri Jun 9 12:35:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA23267 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:35:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03891; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:33:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03706; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03683; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:32:53 -0400 Received: by porkchop.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:37:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'Randal Whittle'" , Greg Langham , TP List Subject: RE: Keyboard Light (was: A20p just arrived) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:37:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFD231.02ADDD44" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFD231.02ADDD44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You may well be right. I was reporting initial impressions and I may find that it is useful after using it a while. It just didn't seem to make a lot of difference on the keyboard. Maybe the exta 1-2" in height of the 15" screen makes the light less effective? Greg -----Original Message----- From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 11:30 AM To: Greg Langham; TP List Subject: Keyboard Light (was: A20p just arrived) At 10:33 AM 6/9/2000 -0500, you wrote: >7. The keyboard light seems like a gimmick right now, as it doesn't do too >much to light up the keyboard (yes, I tried it in a dark room.) Ack! I disagree! (at least on my T20.) Have I needed to use it much? No. But when I *have*, it makes a *huge* difference. When its *really* dark--say in my bedroom with my wife sleeping, or in the passenger seat of a car at night--that keyboard light is *wonderful*. Yes, yes...you get a certain amount of light/glow from the screen, but it really doesn't illuminate the keyboard much at all--certainly not enough to really see anything. And this black keyboard is really *pitch* black, so its really tough to see. The Keyboard light puts a nice, soft glow onto the keyboard. Its perfect. I know its a bit of a gimmick, but I *have* found it to come in useful and at those times, it has worked *very* well. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFD231.02ADDD44 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Keyboard Light (was: A20p just arrived)

You may well be right. I was reporting initial = impressions and I may find that it is useful after using it a while. It = just didn't seem to make a lot of difference on the keyboard.  = Maybe the exta 1-2" in height of the 15" screen makes the = light less effective?

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net]
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 11:30 AM
To: Greg Langham; TP List
Subject: Keyboard Light (was: A20p just = arrived)


At 10:33 AM 6/9/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>7. The keyboard light seems like a gimmick right = now, as it doesn't do too
>much to light up the keyboard (yes, I tried it = in a dark room.)

         = Ack!  I disagree! (at least on my T20.)

         Have = I needed to use it much?  No.  But when I *have*, it makes a =
*huge* difference.  When its *really* dark--say = in my bedroom with my wife
sleeping, or in the passenger seat of a car at = night--that keyboard light
is *wonderful*.

         Yes, = yes...you get a certain amount of light/glow from the screen,
but it really doesn't illuminate the keyboard much = at all--certainly not
enough to really see anything.  And this black = keyboard is really *pitch*
black, so its really tough to see.

         The = Keyboard light puts a nice, soft glow onto the keyboard.  Its =
perfect.

         I = know its a bit of a gimmick, but I *have* found it to come in
useful and at those times, it has worked *very* = well.

------_=_NextPart_001_01BFD231.02ADDD44-- From cph Fri Jun 9 12:39:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA23309 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:39:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04435; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:37:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04300; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04271; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:37:52 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA24168; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:37:50 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA06132; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000609093453.015fa1d8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:37:44 -0700 To: Greg Langham , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: Keyboard Light (was: A20p just arrived) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:37 AM 6/9/2000 -0500, you wrote: >You may well be right. I was reporting initial impressions and I may find >that it is useful after using it a while. It just didn't seem to make a >lot of difference on the keyboard. Maybe the exta 1-2" in height of the >15" screen makes the light less effective? I thought perhaps that might be it. Its a small thing--very soft, but it does the job. In a dark room with little to no other light, that's just perfect. But maybe being just a little farther from the keyboard does it. Still, its not 1 to 2 inches. My screen is 14.1" diagonally--yours is 15" diagonally--only 0.9" more. That means the vertical height difference can't be more than about 1/2" or so. From cph Fri Jun 9 13:51:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA23828 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:51:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09192; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:46:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08892; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08878; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:46:48 -0400 Received: from uniblab (equate3 [146.88.1.23]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA14650 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:46:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003a01bfd23a$880617a0$17015892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: "TP List" References: <4.2.0.58.20000609093453.015fa1d8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Keyboard Light (was: A20p just arrived) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:45:39 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Is anything like this made for us old-generation 600X'ers (and others)? I could envision something really small that just clips on to the top of the display, with a short wire that runs down to the USB, RS232, or PS2 port for power. If not then maybe we'll just have to invent one so we can be rich and famous. :-) Bob > At 11:37 AM 6/9/2000 -0500, you wrote: > > >You may well be right. I was reporting initial impressions and I may find > >that it is useful after using it a while. It just didn't seem to make a > >lot of difference on the keyboard. Maybe the exta 1-2" in height of the > >15" screen makes the light less effective? > > I thought perhaps that might be it. Its a small thing--very soft, > but it does the job. In a dark room with little to no other light, that's > just perfect. But maybe being just a little farther from the keyboard does it. > > Still, its not 1 to 2 inches. My screen is 14.1" > diagonally--yours is 15" diagonally--only 0.9" more. That means the > vertical height difference can't be more than about 1/2" or so. From cph Fri Jun 9 14:02:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA23923 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:02:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10181; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:59:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09955; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09942; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:59:12 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA17320; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:59:10 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA04375; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000609105800.016c7ec0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 10:58:56 -0700 To: "Bob Greschke" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Keyboard Light (was: A20p just arrived) In-Reply-To: <003a01bfd23a$880617a0$17015892@aoc.nrao.edu> References: <4.2.0.58.20000609093453.015fa1d8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:45 AM 6/9/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Is anything like this made for us old-generation 600X'ers (and others)? I >could envision something really small that just clips on to the top of the >display, with a short wire that runs down to the USB, RS232, or PS2 port for >power. If not then maybe we'll just have to invent one so we can be rich >and famous. :-) I've seen little clip-on lights (much like those little book-mounted lights for reading) in various catalogs. Probably i-Go (used to be 800-Batteries). Try the i-Go website. From cph Fri Jun 9 14:19:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA24002 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:19:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11434; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:16:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11200; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11186; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:16:08 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.216]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000609181606.IEGO1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:16:06 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000609141453.014c56b0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 14:14:53 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Keyboard Light (was: A20p just arrived) In-Reply-To: <003a01bfd23a$880617a0$17015892@aoc.nrao.edu> References: <4.2.0.58.20000609093453.015fa1d8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:45 AM 06/09/2000 -0600, Bob Greschke wrote: >Is anything like this made for us old-generation 600X'ers (and others)? I >could envision something really small that just clips on to the top of the >display, with a short wire that runs down to the USB, RS232, or PS2 port for >power. If not then maybe we'll just have to invent one so we can be rich >and famous. :-) > I used to have a gooseneck lamp that plugged into the mouse port. It swiveled around to point wherever I wanted it and gave off a very dim light - just enough to see the keyboard well enough to type. I think I got it >from Mobile Planet. Jane From cph Fri Jun 9 14:43:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA24146 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:43:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13025; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:40:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12847; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot018.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12834; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot018.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.118 -> pilot018.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:39:58 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm455-18.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.28]) by pilot018.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA112822 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:39:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000609143919.00db8ac0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 14:40:27 -0400 To: TP List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Keyboard Light (was: A20p just arrived) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000609084108.01688af0@127.0.0.1> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: My ThinkPad 1480 i has one and its wonderful. I love the name, "ThinkLight". ;-) STeve Andre' At 09:30 AM 6/9/00 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 10:33 AM 6/9/2000 -0500, you wrote: >>7. The keyboard light seems like a gimmick right now, as it doesn't do >>too much to light up the keyboard (yes, I tried it in a dark room.) > > Ack! I disagree! (at least on my T20.) > > Have I needed to use it much? No. But when I *have*, it makes a > *huge* difference. When its *really* dark--say in my bedroom with my > wife sleeping, or in the passenger seat of a car at night--that keyboard > light is *wonderful*. > > Yes, yes...you get a certain amount of light/glow from the > screen, but it really doesn't illuminate the keyboard much at > all--certainly not enough to really see anything. And this black > keyboard is really *pitch* black, so its really tough to see. > > The Keyboard light puts a nice, soft glow onto the keyboard. Its > perfect. > > I know its a bit of a gimmick, but I *have* found it to come in > useful and at those times, it has worked *very* well. From cph Fri Jun 9 15:34:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA24478 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:34:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17078; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:31:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16849; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16831; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.teleport.com (192.108.254.31 -> mail3.teleport.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:31:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 22514 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2000 19:28:50 -0000 Received: from i48-12-06.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO teleport.com) (216.26.4.198) by mail3.teleport.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2000 19:28:50 -0000 Message-ID: <394146A3.7AC33614@teleport.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 12:33:56 -0700 From: Bryan Daum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: allied@teleport.com CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Keyboard Light (was: A20p just arrived) References: <4.2.0.58.20000609093453.015fa1d8@127.0.0.1> <3.0.1.32.20000609141453.014c56b0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Randy is almost right....the lights are at IGO.com ---not I-GO. Neat little lights....$19.00 according to the websidte. I saw one last week in one of their catalogs...there may be more than one type -the website doesn't have a pic. The one I saw was a flexible shaft type. Bryan 701C From cph Fri Jun 9 15:51:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA24618 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:51:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18201; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:49:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18053; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18040; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:49:07 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.216]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000609194905.JELP1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:49:05 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000609154753.013f8140@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 15:47:53 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Keyboard Light (was: A20p just arrived) In-Reply-To: <394146A3.7AC33614@teleport.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20000609093453.015fa1d8@127.0.0.1> <3.0.1.32.20000609141453.014c56b0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:33 PM 06/09/2000 -0700, Bryan Daum wrote: >Neat little lights....$19.00 according to the websidte. I saw one last week in >one of their catalogs...there may be more than one type -the website doesn't have >a pic. The one I saw was a flexible shaft type. > Yup - this one looks like the one I had http://www.igo.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?link=&prmenbr=1&prrfnbr =522530 From cph Fri Jun 9 16:26:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA24910 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:26:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20578; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:22:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20250; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20237; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:22:48 -0400 Received: from uniblab (equate4 [146.88.1.24]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA26893 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:22:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003401bfd250$519689a0$18015892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <4.2.0.58.20000609093453.015fa1d8@127.0.0.1><3.0.1.32.20000609141453.014c56b0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <3.0.1.32.20000609154753.013f8140@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Keyboard Light (was: A20p just arrived) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:21:38 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Darn. I guess I'll make someone else rich and famous and order one. Thanks! Bob :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Loyless" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 13:47 Subject: Re: Keyboard Light (was: A20p just arrived) > At 12:33 PM 06/09/2000 -0700, Bryan Daum wrote: > > >Neat little lights....$19.00 according to the websidte. I saw one last > week in > >one of their catalogs...there may be more than one type -the website > doesn't have > >a pic. The one I saw was a flexible shaft type. > > > > Yup - this one looks like the one I had > > http://www.igo.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?link=&prmenbr=1&prrfnbr > =522530 > From cph Fri Jun 9 16:59:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA25105 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:59:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22780; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:55:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22553; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flex.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22539; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flex.com (206.126.0.13 -> flex.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:55:50 -0400 Received: from et (cvx-66.flex.com [207.12.8.66]) by flex.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA15561 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:55:47 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <004a01bfd255$6366d540$42080ccf@et> From: "Jimmy" To: Subject: TP 385XD recover disc lost Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:57:54 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01BFD201.8FEDF480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BFD201.8FEDF480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Need recover disc for TP 385XD. 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------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BFD201.8FEDF480-- From cph Fri Jun 9 17:14:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA25216 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:14:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23803; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:12:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23612; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23598; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:12:04 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA07250; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:11:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Niclas Mattsson" , Cc: "Bill Morrow" Subject: RE: CTRL/FN key switch, WHY?!? Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:11:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <007401bfd1f7$81a402c0$17361081@entek.chalmers.se> List-Unsubscribe: What do you mean--are the bottom left keys now Ctrl-Fn-Alt instead of Fn-Ctrl-Alt as in every other ThinkPad? I sure hope they kept the ThinkPad keyboard layout unchanged--that's one of the reasons I'm comfortable going >from one ThinkPad to another. Or did you mean it's different from other notebook brands you've used before? (I hope that's what you meant.) If so, just give yourself some time to get used to it. After a while it will seem perfectly natural. Bill--what's the layout on the A20p? Thanks! -Mike > I have a new T20 which seems great in almost every respect > (especially after > returning two junky Latitudes to Dell), BUT: > > Why did IBM switch the layout of the CTRL & FN keys? I can't > stand it! It's > a nightmare for a quasi-touchtyper like myself. Is it possible to > remap CTRL > to the FN key somehow? > > Niclas Mattsson > > From cph Fri Jun 9 17:30:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA25290 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:30:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25056; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:28:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24883; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24869; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (206.191.0.250 -> mx2.magma.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:28:12 -0400 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6.magma.ca [206.191.0.248]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13416; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port38.magma.ca [209.217.123.38]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA17358; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006092128.RAA17358@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "Jimmy" , "tp750@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 17:28:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <004a01bfd255$6366d540$42080ccf@et> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 385XD recover disc lost List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:57:54 -1000, Jimmy wrote: >Need recover disc for TP 385XD. >Will Paid for copy >Thanks I think the file you want is downloadable from this lengt link: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3XWNVG.html?lang=en_US&page=bra nd&brand=IBM+ThinkPad&family=&doctype=Downloadable+files&subtype=Sof tware+Installation%2FConfiguration Specifically there's a link to "Windows 95 Preload Recovery Diskette 05-12-98 tpp95rld v2.50 " You may send $1,000,000 in small unmarked bytes to the address below. ;) [If the info I provided is not accurate, send only $500,000]. andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Fri Jun 9 17:52:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA25451 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:52:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26532; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:49:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26318; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26305; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.org (216.254.0.5 -> gonzo.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:49:24 -0400 Received: (qmail 20559 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2000 21:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grace.speakeasy.org) (216.254.0.2) by gonzo.speakeasy.net with SMTP; 9 Jun 2000 21:49:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 959 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2000 21:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO WALD7) (216.254.51.112) by grace.speakeasy.org with SMTP; 9 Jun 2000 21:49:20 -0000 Message-ID: <007001bfd25d$1143a2e0$7033fed8@WALD7> From: "William Armstrong" To: References: Subject: Re: CTRL/FN key switch, WHY?!? Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:52:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a different Bill who can tell you that the A20p keyboard layout is Fn-Ctrl-Alt. I'm typing on one now. -Bill Armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Geary To: Niclas Mattsson ; Cc: Bill Morrow Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 5:11 PM Subject: RE: CTRL/FN key switch, WHY?!? > What do you mean--are the bottom left keys now Ctrl-Fn-Alt instead of > Fn-Ctrl-Alt as in every other ThinkPad? I sure hope they kept the ThinkPad > keyboard layout unchanged--that's one of the reasons I'm comfortable going > from one ThinkPad to another. > > Or did you mean it's different from other notebook brands you've used > before? (I hope that's what you meant.) If so, just give yourself some time > to get used to it. After a while it will seem perfectly natural. > > Bill--what's the layout on the A20p? Thanks! > > -Mike > > > I have a new T20 which seems great in almost every respect > > (especially after > > returning two junky Latitudes to Dell), BUT: > > > > Why did IBM switch the layout of the CTRL & FN keys? I can't > > stand it! It's > > a nightmare for a quasi-touchtyper like myself. Is it possible to > > remap CTRL > > to the FN key somehow? > > > > Niclas Mattsson > > > > > From cph Fri Jun 9 23:08:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA26880 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:08:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09080; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:05:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08842; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08829; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (207.181.194.95 -> atlas.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:05:21 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by atlas.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28521; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLACKBIRD (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA42287; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008901bfd289$03993cf0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Michael Geary" , "Niclas Mattsson" , Cc: "Bill Morrow" References: Subject: Re: CTRL/FN key switch, WHY?!? Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:07:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: I'm not Bill but I am typing on an A20p. The order is definitely Fn, Ctrl, Alt, Space, Alt, Ctrl. The machine is gorgeous. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Geary" To: "Niclas Mattsson" ; Cc: "Bill Morrow" Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 2:11 PM Subject: RE: CTRL/FN key switch, WHY?!? > What do you mean--are the bottom left keys now Ctrl-Fn-Alt instead of > Fn-Ctrl-Alt as in every other ThinkPad? I sure hope they kept the ThinkPad > keyboard layout unchanged--that's one of the reasons I'm comfortable going > from one ThinkPad to another. > > Or did you mean it's different from other notebook brands you've used > before? (I hope that's what you meant.) If so, just give yourself some time > to get used to it. After a while it will seem perfectly natural. > > Bill--what's the layout on the A20p? Thanks! > > -Mike > > > I have a new T20 which seems great in almost every respect > > (especially after > > returning two junky Latitudes to Dell), BUT: > > > > Why did IBM switch the layout of the CTRL & FN keys? I can't > > stand it! It's > > a nightmare for a quasi-touchtyper like myself. Is it possible to > > remap CTRL > > to the FN key somehow? > > > > Niclas Mattsson > > > > > > From cph Fri Jun 9 23:09:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA26884 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:09:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09216; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:06:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08955; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout01.joymail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08937; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:06:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mailout01.joymail.com (209.133.47.60 -> mo01.joymail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:06:47 -0400 Received: from mo01.joymail.com (web02.joymail.com [209.133.47.20]) by mailout01.joymail.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA04252 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006100324.UAA04252@mailout01.joymail.com> To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 to 770X - OS/2 4 Warp Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20: 5: 0 PST X-Mailer: Joymail v3.0 X-Mailer-Info: http://www.joymail.com List-Unsubscribe: I have been using a 770 with OS/2 Warp 4 with FP12 with no problems. Recently I purchased a 770X with the 13.7" screen. As I did not wish to reinstall Warp 4 into the new computer I just switch the harddisk from the 770 to the 770X after verifying that that the drivers IBM supplied were the same. Unfortunately the 770X would hang on the WPS a few minutes after loading although the time before hanging would be sufficient to make any adjustments required to accomodate the 770x. Any suggestions as to what I should do would be welcomed. I really hate the idea of reinstalling Warp and all the apps I have onto the new computer's hard disk. Wilson Yip Singapore ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Get your FREE email at http://www.joymail.com VoiceMail over the Internet and Sending email by a regular phone: http://firstgate.joymail.com From cph Fri Jun 9 23:24:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA26933 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:24:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10063; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:21:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09949; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09936; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:21:15 -0400 Received: from WALD7 (adsl-141-155-113-25.bellatlantic.net [141.155.113.25]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA06136 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001001bfd28b$6b1b46a0$6501a8c0@WALD7> From: "William Armstrong" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20000609203636.00a9da90@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: CTRL/FN key switch, WHY?!? Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:24:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Haven't checked, but that seems inconceivable. I believe it's behind a panel on the left hand side. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC" To: "William Armstrong" Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 8:37 PM Subject: Re: CTRL/FN key switch, WHY?!? > I understand the hard drive is not removable, Is this true? > > > > > > At 05:52 PM 06/09/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >This is a different Bill who can tell you that the A20p keyboard layout is > >Fn-Ctrl-Alt. I'm typing on one now. > > > >-Bill Armstrong > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Michael Geary > >To: Niclas Mattsson ; > >Cc: Bill Morrow > >Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 5:11 PM > >Subject: RE: CTRL/FN key switch, WHY?!? > > > > > > > What do you mean--are the bottom left keys now Ctrl-Fn-Alt instead of > > > Fn-Ctrl-Alt as in every other ThinkPad? I sure hope they kept the ThinkPad > > > keyboard layout unchanged--that's one of the reasons I'm comfortable going > > > from one ThinkPad to another. > > > > > > Or did you mean it's different from other notebook brands you've used > > > before? (I hope that's what you meant.) If so, just give yourself some > >time > > > to get used to it. After a while it will seem perfectly natural. > > > > > > Bill--what's the layout on the A20p? Thanks! > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > I have a new T20 which seems great in almost every respect > > > > (especially after > > > > returning two junky Latitudes to Dell), BUT: > > > > > > > > Why did IBM switch the layout of the CTRL & FN keys? I can't > > > > stand it! It's > > > > a nightmare for a quasi-touchtyper like myself. Is it possible to > > > > remap CTRL > > > > to the FN key somehow? > > > > > > > > Niclas Mattsson > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jerry Cudmore > From cph Sat Jun 10 06:59:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA28563 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 06:59:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01965; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 06:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 06:54:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01805; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 06:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mur3.odyssey.on.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01790; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 06:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mur3.odyssey.on.ca (209.213.224.2 -> mur3.odyssey.on.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 06:54:41 -0400 Received: from odyssey.on.ca (ts1-47.odyssey.on.ca [209.213.227.47]) by mur3.odyssey.on.ca (8.9.1/Odyssey) with ESMTP id GAA16162 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 06:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39421DE3.C3BF063@odyssey.on.ca> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 06:52:19 -0400 From: Dave X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: 600X..One for each of the kids, too!! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7A522B6FD304049BAA4C4F6A" List-Unsubscribe: --------------7A522B6FD304049BAA4C4F6A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For all of the Silicon Valley multimillionaires on the list. Let's see now... in Canadian funds... about $ 15,100.00 ( + shipping + customs duties) eBay item 352327701 (Ends Jun-10-00 07:56:41 PDT) - IBM 600X ThinkPad 26457EU 4 Unit Lot NEW In our house, the conversation would go something like this: He: Honey, You know the hole in the back yard that's supposed to be the new addition to our house? She: Yes? He: Fill it in She: (On the phone) Hello, is this the divorce lawyer firm of Fleesum, Sqeezum and Diceum? Regards. Dave --------------7A522B6FD304049BAA4C4F6A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For all of the Silicon Valley multimillionaires on the list.

Let's see now... in Canadian funds... about $ 15,100.00 ( + shipping + customs duties)

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In our house, the conversation would go something like this:

He:  Honey, You know the hole in the back yard that's supposed to be the new addition to our house?

She: Yes?

He:  Fill it in

She: (On the phone) Hello, is this the divorce lawyer firm of Fleesum, Sqeezum and Diceum?

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Regards.

Dave
 
  --------------7A522B6FD304049BAA4C4F6A-- From cph Sat Jun 10 07:36:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA28629 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:36:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03062; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:29:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02760; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jj.egroups.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02744; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jj.egroups.com (208.50.144.82 -> jj.egroups.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:29:25 -0400 X-eGroups-Return: notify-return-thinkpad=cs.utk.edu@egroups.com Received: from [10.1.10.31] by jj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2000 11:29:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 17076 invoked by uid 99); 10 Jun 2000 11:29:24 -0000 Date: 10 Jun 2000 11:29:24 -0000 Message-ID: <960636564.17075@egroups.com> From: thinkpad_i_series Moderator Reply-To: thinkpad_i_series-subscribe@egroups.com To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Invitation to join thinkpad_i_series MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, This is an invitation to join the thinkpad_i_series group, an email group that I moderate at eGroups, a free, easy-to-use email group service. By joining this group, you'll be able to easily send messages to fellow group members using just one email address. eGroups also makes it easy to store photos and files, coordinate events and more. Here's my introductory message for you: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ New List for "i-series" owners. All models. Talk and ask questions about the Thinkpad I SERIES. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ TO JOIN THIS GROUP, simply choose ONE of these 2 options: 1) REPLY to this email by clicking "reply" in your email program -OR- 2) Go to our site at http://www.egroups.com/invite/thinkpad_i_series and click the "JOIN" button If you do not wish to join the thinkpad_i_series group, just ignore this invitation. Regards, Moderator, thinkpad_i_series SPECIAL NOTE FROM eGroups: Because eGroups values your privacy, it is a violation of our service rules for moderators to add subscribers to a group against their wishes. If you feel this has happened, please notify us at abuse@egroups.com From cph Sat Jun 10 07:52:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA28657 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:52:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03893; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:46:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03787; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03773; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:46:24 -0400 Received: from user-38lcimb.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcimb.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.74.203]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA03225; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006101146.HAA03225@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "shenzhou@joymail.com" , "Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200006100324.UAA04252@mailout01.joymail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 to 770X - OS/2 4 Warp List-Unsubscribe: Chkdsk /f from a boot disk? Full Hardware Detection? You are *sure* no drivers are different, and you have the latest bios? Install Watchcat, which will tell you what is hanging the system, and then unhang it without rebooting -- unless it is very very very bad. (Watchcat is freeware; not hard to find on the 'net.) On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20: 5: 0 PST, shenzhou@joymail.com wrote: >I have been using a 770 with OS/2 Warp 4 with FP12 with no problems. Recently I purchased a 770X with the 13.7" screen. As I did not wish to reinstall Warp 4 into the new computer I just switch the harddisk from the 770 to the 770X after verifying that that the drivers IBM supplied were the same. Unfortunately the 770X would hang on the WPS a few minutes after loading although the time before hanging would be sufficient to make any adjustments required to accomodate the 770x. > >Any suggestions as to what I should do would be welcomed. I really hate the idea of reinstalling Warp and all the apps I have onto the new computer's hard disk. > >Wilson Yip >Singapore > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Get your FREE email at http://www.joymail.com >VoiceMail over the Internet and Sending email by a regular phone: >http://firstgate.joymail.com > From cph Sat Jun 10 07:57:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA28674 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:57:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04216; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:51:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04092; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04079; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:51:22 -0400 Received: from user-38lcimb.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcimb.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.74.203]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA31163; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006101151.HAA31163@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Darren Kennedy" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <01BFD0A1.108A62C0@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP760CD] boot hangs with hd connected List-Unsubscribe: It's been a long time, but from your DOS disk, A:\Format C:\ sys copy a:\ *.* c:\ On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:54:36 +0100, Darren Kennedy wrote: >Hi, > >I have a strange problem with my TP760CD which I hope someone call help >me with. Yesterday I fdisk'd my hard drive into two partitions, one primary and >a second extended partition. Part of the disk was left unformatted. (good reasons !) >The primary partition was formatted. > >When I came to reboot from floppy the thinkpad does the POST, displaying the logo >and amount of memory, but then sits there with the floppy whirring for ever. If >I remove the hard disk it will boot from floppy ok. > >I have reset the machine to defaults in easy setup, removed the hard drive from the >boot sequence, tested the hard drive in the eay setup advanced tests etc, all to >no avail. > >Any ideas on how to recover? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Darren Kennedy >Unix Sys Admin / Programmer. >Racal Defence Electronics Ltd. >Crawley, England. From cph Sat Jun 10 08:07:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA28696 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:07:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04728; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:59:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04484; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04474; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:59:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.42 -> imo-d10.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:59:12 -0400 Received: from BBoraxJr@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id o.61.45d6135 (3970) for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <61.45d6135.26738788@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:59:04 EDT Subject: A20p impressions To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I have had the A20p [61U] for about 36 hours. Before first powerup I removed the 128mb chip and installed two 256mb chips. The bottom ram cover has a Windows 98 and Windows 95 serial number sticker. The first I have seen on any Thinkpad or any laptop for that matter. This cover is plastic with a thin metal insert glued to the inside of it. The chips installed routinely. I had another 18gb drive standing by and ready to go. I gently pulled the factory drive. Just one screw and the bezel which is attached to the drive, with some struggle, pulled out. Four screws remove the tray [like the 600]. And then I had the restore CD ready to go. The first thing I noticed on powerup is the large colored IBM logo. Easy setup is gone. The bios is more like a desktop BIOS. Very similar to DELL. F1 gets you in. I don't see a way to diagnose trouble like Easy Setup. After booting from the recovery CD and answering just a couple of questions, mainly that you will be destroying all data on your hard drive, recovery begins. I was suprised to find Powerquest supplying the recovery software. After a half hour had gone by recovery was complete. I was ready to go.... Comparing the laptop to the 770 [1AU, 7AU, 8AU] and 600 [51U] that I have spent considerable time with, I note the following. The 1400 X 1050 screen is the brightest that I have seen. Very happy with it. Just one stuck pixel in the bottom right side of the screen. I would prefer keystroke travel like the 770. The keyboard is much more like the 600 with less travel [it seems, although I am just getting used to it] and broader keytops [probably not a word but you understand?] The computer is nice and fast. I will be spending sometime setting it up. After copying what I liked from my 770 I have about 6gb left. More to come... Brad Borax From cph Sat Jun 10 09:50:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA28919 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:50:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07480; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:43:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07347; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07334; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (192.48.96.19 -> wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:43:22 -0400 Received: from cheatriver.com by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: 1Cust170.tnt2.morristown2.nj.da.uu.net [63.15.223.170]) id QQisze26239 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:43:21 GMT Message-ID: <3942466D.D4E405A3@cheatriver.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:45:17 -0400 From: Kathe Robin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Easy SetUp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Could someone refresh my memory and tell me which key(s) need to be pressed to bring up Easy Setup when powering on a 750 - 770 ThinkPad? Thanks, Max ------------------------------------------------------- email: m_robin@cheatriver.com smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. Cheat River Engineering Inc. 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 fax: 973 - 627 - 5460 ------------------------------------------------------ From cph Sat Jun 10 11:03:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA29305 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:03:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09477; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:55:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09276; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09263; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:55:44 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax28.vramp.net [198.138.8.91]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA33198; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:54:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Kathe Robin" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Easy SetUp Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:03:29 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <3942466D.D4E405A3@cheatriver.com> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Max, Press and hold F1 while powering up. Regards, James In the Heart of the Pine Barrens > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathe Robin [mailto:kathe@cheatriver.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 8:45 AM > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: Easy SetUp > > > Could someone refresh my memory and tell me which key(s) need to be > pressed to bring up Easy Setup when powering on a 750 - 770 ThinkPad? > > Thanks, > > Max > ------------------------------------------------------- > email: m_robin@cheatriver.com > > smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. > Cheat River Engineering Inc. > 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 > Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 > > voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 fax: 973 - 627 - 5460 > ------------------------------------------------------ > From cph Sat Jun 10 12:34:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA29669 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:34:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13192; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:28:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12935; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12811; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:27:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (206.46.170.20 -> smtppop1pub.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:27:04 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net ([4.3.99.133]) by smtppop1.gte.net with SMTP ; id KAA22212 Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:53:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200006101553.KAA22212@smtppop1.gte.net> To: , Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:54:08 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 to 770X - OS/2 4 Warp List-Unsubscribe: Addressed to: Thinkpad List ** Reply to note from Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20: 5: 0 PST > I have been using a 770 with OS/2 Warp 4 with FP12 with no problems. Recently > I purchased a 770X with the 13.7" screen. As I did not wish to reinstall Warp > 4 into the new computer I just switch the harddisk from the 770 to the 770X > after verifying that that the drivers IBM supplied were the same. > Unfortunately the 770X would hang on the WPS a few minutes after loading > although the time before hanging would be sufficient to make any adjustments > required to accomodate the 770x. > > Any suggestions as to what I should do would be welcomed. The first thing I would try would be to boot from floppies and edit CONFIG.SYS, adding the line SET RESTARTOBJECTS=NO and removing WARPCENTER from the AUTOSTART line. If you already have a RESTARTOBJECTS line, be sure to REM it out. On the subsequent boot, if it boots all the way, edit CONFIG.SYS so it reads SET RESTARTOBJECTS=STARTUPFOLDERSONLY and add a shadow of Warpcenter to the Startup folder. Note that Warpcenter has to be running for you to be able to create a shadow of it. If the WPS hangs on the next boot, then you will need to clean out your Startup folder and add things back one by one until you find which program is hanging the machine. If you are unable to boot after editing CONFIG.SYS as suggested, try reverting to VGA at boot time (Alt-F1 at the "boot blob", at the recovery menu) then reinstalling the video drivers. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 06/10/00, 10:54:05 From cph Sat Jun 10 12:54:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA29723 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:54:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14164; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:51:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14038; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14025; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:51:09 -0400 Received: from davidreid (tnt10-216-180-65-109.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.109]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with SMTP id e5AGp7G29120 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:51:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003101bfd2fb$ede07e00$6d41b4d8@davidreid> From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: TP 770Z Mediamatics DVD player (it is?) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:44:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Well after a week of trial runs and "real work" (hauling my new TP around in the truck with GPS attached), crunching some huge databases, preparring and faxing my time sheet, I thought it was time to kick back and see what this sweet little jewel would do when it comes to R'n'R so I drop in to rent a DVD movie or two anticipating if the 2x drive would be deficient in playing movies. I seem to recall reading some issues regarding the pre-installed DVD player on many of the TP's but wasn't paying much attention. Well, I am totally pleased with the results I saw from the 770Z and it's 2x DVD, sound and picture quality were great (not the home theater with a Bose surround system of course but were talking laptop computers). No jumping of the picture (which I was anticipating with a "slow" drive) however . . . True the picture and sound quality was great "IF" I could ever get this Mediamatics it to work! First off, the readme's stated that upon watching the first DVD I would be prompted for a region . . . I wasn't. Can someone advise me if this indicates some problem? Nextly, getting this DVD player to work was a trick in itself. Kinda like, stand on one foot while holding down the shift key, cross your free leg over your standing leg whilst crossing eyes, humming Yankee Doodle and at the same time, close the DVD drive bay from behind your back with your free hand! Autoplay would not work (works beatifully on music CD's). Insert disk then run MM, nope, Run MM then insert disk . ... nope Ahhh (here's how I finally got the movie to play) . . . Open Mediamatics, insert disk or visa versa, click on the play button, open Windows Explorer, navigate to the Mediamatics program folder, find and open the "Help" file, wait a few seconds and the movie would finally begin to play! I know the above sounds rediculous, thinking it was just a timeing fluke, I tried this several times and found this was the only way to get the movie to play. . . . . my obvious question now is . . . what the is going on with this software and what's others done to remedy this?!?!? have a great weekend list ______________ David Reid dwreid@hiwaay.net From cph Sat Jun 10 12:56:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA29736 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:56:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14407; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:54:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14309; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14296; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (129.250.36.43 -> dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:54:13 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 130oWR-0007Tf-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:54:11 +0000 Received: from [209.107.90.90] (helo=STL) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 130oWQ-0001U8-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:54:11 +0000 Message-ID: <01be01bfd2fb$a795cd60$0a00a8c0@wwa.com> Reply-To: "Matt Winston" From: "Matt Winston" To: Subject: GPS for Thinkpad 730T Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:48:02 -0500 Organization: Steven Todd Leasing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01B8_01BFD2D1.BB587E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01B8_01BFD2D1.BB587E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone tell me which GPS unit works best with the 730T, please? I'll be using it mostly in the Midwest. Thanks, Matt Winston ------=_NextPart_000_01B8_01BFD2D1.BB587E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can anyone tell me which GPS unit works best = with the=20 730T, please?
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------=_NextPart_000_01B8_01BFD2D1.BB587E80-- From cph Sat Jun 10 13:12:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA29801 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:12:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15133; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:09:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14995; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eve.speakeasy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14982; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eve.speakeasy.net (216.254.0.17 -> eve.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:09:00 -0400 Received: from wald7 (dsl254-051-019-sea1.dsl-isp.net [216.254.51.19] (may be forged)) by eve.speakeasy.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5AH9cn03719 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:09:38 -0700 From: "William Armstrong" To: Subject: RE: A20p impressions Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:12:26 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <61.45d6135.26738788@aol.com> List-Unsubscribe: Sounds like I'm going through a similar get acquainted process with A20p. Did not have two 256mb chips to install, but I did install an additional 128mb. Yesterday and this morning I installed W2K as a dual boot. I actually thought that I would prefer to have a W2K machine to begin with, but this may be better because I have a about 300 digital photos that I need to print and one of the photo printers that I will use only has Win95/98 drivers. The other problem is that when you set up W2K as a dual boot or install clean you lose the DVDExpress software in W2K, so I for the time being I will have to use W98 for watching DVDs. There is still one unknown device listed in Device Manager, but I do not know what it is. When I get a chance I will check Device Manager in my TP770Z (with a clean install of W2K) to see if I can figure out what's missing. I have no stuck pixels that I can see thus far, but I have read that others have had some in the lower corners as well. The keys do not seem to travel as much as the 770, but not having ever owned or used a 600 I cannot comment on the similarity with that machine. Makes sense, though, given the narrower profile of the A20p. Over the course of the weekend I will be installing all of the apps I need. I expect that a full migration from my TP770z will take a couple of week, though. Then I will have to decide what to do with it. Give it to my wife who is currently using my old TP770, or something else. It's pretty beat up so I probably will not sell it or anything like that. -----Original Message----- From: BBoraxJr@aol.com [mailto:BBoraxJr@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 7:59 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: A20p impressions Hello, I have had the A20p [61U] for about 36 hours. Before first powerup I removed the 128mb chip and installed two 256mb chips. The bottom ram cover has a Windows 98 and Windows 95 serial number sticker. The first I have seen on any Thinkpad or any laptop for that matter. This cover is plastic with a thin metal insert glued to the inside of it. The chips installed routinely. I had another 18gb drive standing by and ready to go. I gently pulled the factory drive. Just one screw and the bezel which is attached to the drive, with some struggle, pulled out. Four screws remove the tray [like the 600]. And then I had the restore CD ready to go. The first thing I noticed on powerup is the large colored IBM logo. Easy setup is gone. The bios is more like a desktop BIOS. Very similar to DELL. F1 gets you in. I don't see a way to diagnose trouble like Easy Setup. After booting from the recovery CD and answering just a couple of questions, mainly that you will be destroying all data on your hard drive, recovery begins. I was suprised to find Powerquest supplying the recovery software. After a half hour had gone by recovery was complete. I was ready to go.... Comparing the laptop to the 770 [1AU, 7AU, 8AU] and 600 [51U] that I have spent considerable time with, I note the following. The 1400 X 1050 screen is the brightest that I have seen. Very happy with it. Just one stuck pixel in the bottom right side of the screen. I would prefer keystroke travel like the 770. The keyboard is much more like the 600 with less travel [it seems, although I am just getting used to it] and broader keytops [probably not a word but you understand?] The computer is nice and fast. I will be spending sometime setting it up. After copying what I liked from my 770 I have about 6gb left. More to come... Brad Borax From cph Sat Jun 10 13:53:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA30099 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:53:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16649; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:50:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16519; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16506; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.121 -> web120.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:50:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 25849 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jun 2000 17:50:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000610175018.25848.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web120.yahoomail.com; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:50:18 PDT Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:50:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: GPS for Thinkpad 730T To: Matt Winston Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: You should be able to use about any unit that has a serial port. Stay away from Delorme units because if they break you can't get them repaired because Delorme does not fix them! --- Matt Winston wrote: > Can anyone tell me which GPS unit works best with > the 730T, please? > I'll be using it mostly in the Midwest. > Thanks, > Matt Winston > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From cph Sat Jun 10 14:36:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA30210 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:36:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18143; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:33:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18047; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18034; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.101 -> pilot001.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:33:28 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm456-36.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.94]) by pilot001.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA121296 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:33:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000610142649.00ddfe70@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:32:11 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: GPS for Thinkpad 730T In-Reply-To: <20000610175018.25848.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I can't let this go un commented: Delorme does fix things, in warranty. After that it's cheaper for the customer to buy a new one rather than have the company fix it. Thats a far cry from "Delorme does not fix them". --STeve Andre' At 10:50 AM 6/10/00 -0700, Steve C. wrote: >You should be able to use about any unit that has a >serial port. >Stay away from Delorme units because if they break you >can't get them repaired because Delorme does not fix >them! > >--- Matt Winston wrote: > > Can anyone tell me which GPS unit works best with > > the 730T, please? > > I'll be using it mostly in the Midwest. > > Thanks, > > Matt Winston From cph Sat Jun 10 14:48:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA30251 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:48:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18768; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:46:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18654; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18634; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:46:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00321; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:46:09 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:46:09 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: William Armstrong cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: A20p impressions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > Sounds like I'm going through a similar get acquainted process with A20p. > Did not have two 256mb chips to install, but I did install an additional > 128mb. Speaking about memory, does the A20P use the same memory as the 770Z's? I mean are the modules the same except for the 256MB module? > Yesterday and this morning I installed W2K as a dual boot. I actually > thought that I would prefer to have a W2K machine to begin with, but this > may be better because I have a about 300 digital photos that I need to print > and one of the photo printers that I will use only has Win95/98 drivers. The > other problem is that when you set up W2K as a dual boot or install clean > you lose the DVDExpress software in W2K, so I for the time being I will have > to use W98 for watching DVDs. > > There is still one unknown device listed in Device Manager, but I do not > know what it is. When I get a chance I will check Device Manager in my > TP770Z (with a clean install of W2K) to see if I can figure out what's > missing. > > I have no stuck pixels that I can see thus far, but I have read that others > have had some in the lower corners as well. The keys do not seem to travel > as much as the 770, but not having ever owned or used a 600 I cannot comment > on the similarity with that machine. Makes sense, though, given the narrower > profile of the A20p. So the A20P is narrower than the 770? > Over the course of the weekend I will be installing all of the apps I need. > I expect that a full migration from my TP770z will take a couple of week, > though. Then I will have to decide what to do with it. Give it to my wife > who is currently using my old TP770, or something else. It's pretty beat up > so I probably will not sell it or anything like that. Mines will probably take forever or a few days since I'm considering getting a A20P after the 770Z's HDD is still in Data Recovery after going through Ontrack and DriveSavers with no success. All they tell me is that 0% of the data is recoverable and that the media is seriously physicially damaged. I finally sent it to a smaller company and they said that the media is fine, they just need a identical 14GB HDD with the same part and revision numbers and other things to fix it. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > -----Original Message----- > From: BBoraxJr@aol.com [mailto:BBoraxJr@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 7:59 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: A20p impressions > > > Hello, > > I have had the A20p [61U] for about 36 hours. > > Before first powerup I removed the 128mb chip and installed two 256mb chips. > The bottom ram cover has a Windows 98 and Windows 95 serial number sticker. > The first I have seen on any Thinkpad or any laptop for that matter. This > cover is plastic with a thin metal insert glued to the inside of it. The > chips installed routinely. > > I had another 18gb drive standing by and ready to go. I gently pulled the > factory drive. Just one screw and the bezel which is attached to the drive, > with some struggle, pulled out. Four screws remove the tray [like the 600]. > And then I had the restore CD ready to go. > > The first thing I noticed on powerup is the large colored IBM logo. Easy > setup is gone. The bios is more like a desktop BIOS. Very similar to DELL. > F1 gets you in. I don't see a way to diagnose trouble like Easy Setup. > > After booting from the recovery CD and answering just a couple of questions, > mainly that you will be destroying all data on your hard drive, recovery > begins. I was suprised to find Powerquest supplying the recovery software. > After a half hour had gone by recovery was complete. I was ready to go.... > > Comparing the laptop to the 770 [1AU, 7AU, 8AU] and 600 [51U] that I have > spent considerable time with, I note the following. > > The 1400 X 1050 screen is the brightest that I have seen. Very happy with > it. > Just one stuck pixel in the bottom right side of the screen. > > I would prefer keystroke travel like the 770. The keyboard is much more > like > the 600 with less travel [it seems, although I am just getting used to it] > and broader keytops [probably not a word but you understand?] > > The computer is nice and fast. > > I will be spending sometime setting it up. After copying what I liked from > my 770 I have about 6gb left. > > More to come... > > Brad Borax > > From cph Sat Jun 10 16:57:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA30858 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:57:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22835; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:54:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22602; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22589; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:54:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:54:07 -0400 Received: from mail.theriver.com (a28.pm3-30.theriver.com [206.102.195.140]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 50E7825C90 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:54:04 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:54:00 -0700 To: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: TP600E: Egghead at $1899 -- good? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 Message-Id: <20000610205404.50E7825C90@pantano.theriver.com> List-Unsubscribe: In , on 06/08/00 at 09:26 AM, "Michael Geary" said: >> Unfortunately I've heard of some people with the same experience from >> Onsale/Egghead. It seems that some of the vendors that sell through them >> are less than optimum. I just received the 600E that I bought on Friday >> in a sealed IBM box and the screen is perfect with no bad pixels. It's >> charging the battery as I write. As always I'll run it for a few days to >> check for problems. I've bough a 560, a 560X and now the 600E. >> >> In every case - what I bought was marked as "Shipped by OnSale or now, >> Egghead.com" and they all went off with a hitch. >That is the key with Egghead. The ThinkPads that they sell themselves >(billed by Egghead, shipped by Egghead) are either new or refurbished >by IBM, and shipped in a sealed IBM box. The machines that are billed >or shipped by other companies (which tend to be the older models) are >really just used machines that were "refurbished" by that third >party. I bought a refurbished by IBM Thinkpad 760E and 760ED from Egghead. Unfortunately, I also made the mistake of buying a "refurbished" 755CX >from one of the East Coast "boiler-room" establishments. I learnt NOT to buy from anyone else other than Egghead/Onsale and to fully read, to include the warrenty section, the product description. If the warrenty was not through either Egghead or the original manufacturer, I go to the next item. James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From cph Sat Jun 10 17:20:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA30946 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:20:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24793; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:18:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24619; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24604; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:18:33 -0400 Received: from ann (dialup-209.244.109.228.Seattle1.Level3.net [209.244.109.228]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id OAA27680; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001501bfd321$827a5520$e46df4d1@ann> From: "Robert Nicholson" To: , Cc: Subject: Issues installing SuSe 6.4 on a 600X Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:19:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Anybody managed to do this? I swear it does not work.. If you use YAST2 you will reboot after the first "session" completes properly and when it reboots you'll get a graphical installer that's full screen but cropped all around the outside so that you cannot press any buttons or see outside of the little "window"... NB: The redhat 6.2 graphical installer does this too. If you try a "manual" install you'll get to the point where you say "Start Installation" and it won't install any packages even if you've told it to do a "default" configuration.. It has CD 2: on the screen but it never "prompts" to insert it. Stuck big time. Curiously enough if I press CTRL (as per the manual) and put YAST2 in "text mode" it will do an "automatic install" Whatever that is. I didn't let it complete as I fear that it might totally use the whole disk. From cph Sat Jun 10 18:30:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA31171 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:30:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29957; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:27:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29574; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29561; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:27:17 -0400 Received: from default - 63.27.202.179 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:27:01 -0700 Message-ID: <00c101bfd32a$1416f800$b3ca1b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: Old games Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:20:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Got my son a old 75mhz computer which is fine for SLOW browsing and email. Anyone know of some sites that might have some older games to keep him busy? Thanks. Brad 701C (2) 560 755 From cph Sat Jun 10 18:39:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA31190 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:39:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00637; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:36:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00474; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00461; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.121 -> web120.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:36:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 15595 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jun 2000 22:36:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000610223611.15594.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web120.yahoomail.com; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:36:11 PDT Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:36:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: GPS for Thinkpad 730T To: "STeve Andre'" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Do you mean the ONE MONTH warranty? Sounds like you are a big supporter of planned obsolensence! Anyway, they told me they don't fix them. If they did then they could fix them either in or out of the one month warranty. If it's in warranty they would just send you a new one. Either way, when the warranty runs out you're screwed! --- STeve Andre' wrote: > I can't let this go un commented: Delorme does fix > things, in > warranty. After that it's cheaper for the customer > to buy a new > one rather than have the company fix it. > > Thats a far cry from "Delorme does not fix them". > > --STeve Andre' > > At 10:50 AM 6/10/00 -0700, Steve C. wrote: > >You should be able to use about any unit that has a > >serial port. > >Stay away from Delorme units because if they break > you > >can't get them repaired because Delorme does not > fix > >them! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From cph Sat Jun 10 18:44:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA31205 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:44:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01051; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:41:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00857; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00844; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.41 -> mail2.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:41:11 -0400 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000610224110.CLEK1114.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:41:10 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: SETI.searchers.sought@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:41:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: SETI searchers sought Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com Message-ID: <39428BC5.24912.6AA40A0@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: I hope this isn't an abuse of the list, but I'd like to solicit some CPU cycles for a good cause. I just started Searching for Extra- Terrestrial Intelligence (I've given up on earth...) and have processed 5 datasets so far for the SETI project in the background. And it's easy. SETI@HOME just sits in the background, running priority "Idle", absorbing CPU cycles. It slows response very slightly - it feels like I'm running W98 instead of W2K. It also uses the internet to retrieve data & sends results every day or ten, depending on the speed of your machine. TaskInfo ( http://www.iarsn.com ) shows it to have about a 14 MB working set (ie RAM usage). If it slows performance too much (e.g if you have < 64 MB), you can set it to function purely as a screensaver and work only when you're not using your computer. SETI have 2,000,000 or so volunteer machines running, the largest amount of computing power working on a single project outside of the US' National Security Agency and its eavesdropping. I'd like to suggest that you sign up & help too. It's lonely just being here on Earth, waiting for that asteroid with our name on it. We need some pen pals. The SETI site is http://setiathome.berkeley.edu Tom Trottier ------------ Tom Trottier ICQ: 57647974 TomATrottier@home.com <<<>>> 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Sat Jun 10 18:56:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA31253 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:56:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01883; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:53:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01719; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01705; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:53:33 -0400 Received: from athe530-d175.otenet.gr (sehh@athe530-d175.otenet.gr [212.205.239.175]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e5AMqQY06971 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 01:52:27 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200006102252.e5AMqQY06971@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 01:51:32 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <39428BC5.24912.6AA40A0@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: SETI searchers sought List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id SAA01883 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA31254 On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:41:09 -0400, Tom Trottier wrote: >I hope this isn't an abuse of the list, but I'd like to solicit some >CPU cycles for a good cause. I just started Searching for Extra- >Terrestrial Intelligence (I've given up on earth...) and have >processed 5 datasets so far for the SETI project in the background. Personaly i prefer the distributed.net cotest. Searching for aliens doesn't interest me since its doesn't show me any real results and i don't expect to find anything out there. Cracking RC5 on the distributed.net contest is much more fun :) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Jun 10 19:01:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA31276 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:01:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02293; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:58:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02110; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02096; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (205.152.115.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:58:21 -0400 Received: from jnipper.m-y.net (line178.m-y.net [216.77.88.108]) by my1.m-y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17040; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:57:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200006102257.SAA17040@my1.m-y.net> From: "Computer Guru" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , "thinkpad" Subject: Re: SETI searchers sought Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:58:23 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id SAA02293 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA31277 What is this? Cracking RC5 .......... Is this a program? What does it do? I have been seeing people talk about it, but do not know what it is. Jim ---------- > From: sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. > To: thinkpad > Subject: Re: SETI searchers sought > Date: Saturday, June 10, 2000 8:51 PM > > On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:41:09 -0400, Tom Trottier wrote: > > >I hope this isn't an abuse of the list, but I'd like to solicit some > >CPU cycles for a good cause. I just started Searching for Extra- > >Terrestrial Intelligence (I've given up on earth...) and have > >processed 5 datasets so far for the SETI project in the background. > > Personaly i prefer the distributed.net cotest. Searching for aliens > doesn't interest me since its doesn't show me any real results and > i don't expect to find anything out there. > > Cracking RC5 on the distributed.net contest is much more fun :) > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Jun 10 19:10:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA31321 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:10:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02969; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:07:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02766; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02753; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:07:29 -0400 Received: from athe530-d175.otenet.gr (sehh@athe530-d175.otenet.gr [212.205.239.175]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e5AN7EY19070 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:07:14 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200006102307.e5AN7EY19070@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:06:20 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200006102257.SAA17040@my1.m-y.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: SETI searchers sought List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id TAA02969 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA31322 On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:58:23 -0400, Computer Guru wrote: >What is this? Cracking RC5 .......... >Is this a program? What does it do? >I have been seeing people talk about it, but do not know what it is. RSA is a government run organization which works along with NSA, to create encryption schemes for digital systems. Many have argued that the US government doesn't allow very strong encryption to be publicly available, so that NSA can be able to spy on everything, as they say 'for security reasons against terorism'. RSA's latest algorithm is RC5-64 and some others like DES-II and DES-III, and what the US government wants, is to force them to be used internationaly. Ofcourse many people said that those algorithms are not good enough, for the above reasons with the NSA and others. So they got together to prove it. distributed.net was created in Europe, which basicaly cracks all the RSA algorithms in a contest that they made. Who ever cracks one of the algorithms, gets a price (i think 1000$). Already distributed.net has crached three algorithms, RC5 is the hardest one to crack, it hasn't been cracked yet, but about 20% of it has already been scanned. You can join distributed.net from... http://www.distributed.net. They have clients for all possible platforms. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Jun 10 19:25:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA31383 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:25:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03811; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:22:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03631; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03618; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (24.1.227.2 -> cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:22:19 -0400 Received: (from rutledge@localhost) by cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id QAA00830; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:22:15 -0700 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:22:15 -0700 From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: SETI searchers sought Message-ID: <20000610162215.C30272@electron.quantum.int> References: <200006102257.SAA17040@my1.m-y.net> <200006102307.e5AN7EY19070@athserv.otenet.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <200006102307.e5AN7EY19070@athserv.otenet.gr>; from sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. on Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 02:06:20AM +0100 List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 02:06:20AM +0100, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > distributed.net was created in Europe, which basicaly cracks all the RSA > algorithms in a contest that they made. Who ever cracks one of the algorithms, > gets a price (i think 1000$). RSA is running the contest, and distributed.net is the biggest contender. It's the only practical way I know of for ordinary PC owners to compete. The prize is $10000 but distributed.net donates part of the money to some charity and keeps some of the money if you win, so you only get $1000 of it. > > Already distributed.net has crached three algorithms, RC5 is the hardest one > to crack, it hasn't been cracked yet, but about 20% of it has already been scanned. Not quite... RC5 has been cracked, but with smaller key lengths. The current attempt is against a 64-bit key and it has been running for a couple years. But computer power continues to accelerate so most of the cracking work has been done fairly recently; at the end of the contest, it will probably be possible to check all keys in a few months instead of years. Which is the whole point of what the contest is trying to prove - that no key length is invulnerable forever. But it's almost pointless now; there are enough data points to calculate the probable length of time necessary to crack any given key length, and the change in that time as time goes on due to increasing horsepower. But I continue to run it because seti@home pisses me off in some ways... they are not open-source, and they have been known to be deceitful in the past; early on there were too many participants, and for a while they kept everyone working on the same dataset over and over again without telling anyone. It was a waste of CPU cycles, and that is what processes like this are supposed to avoid. I wouldn't put it past them to do it again, especially since their method of data transfer is so low-tech (mag tape being delivered by hand from the telescope site to the campus). Obviously they have more participants than they know what to do with. distributed.net has run a couple of projects with more scientific value also, but the OGR problem has been suspended due to technical difficulties. ProcessTree (as in my signature) promises to have some worthwhile problems to solve, and to pay money for CPU cycles, but it's not quite ready yet. I will probably switch to that if and when they have Linux clients. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 From cph Sat Jun 10 19:42:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA31444 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:42:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04758; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:38:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04551; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04538; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:38:41 -0400 Received: from tp466 (adsl-207-68-50-197.bellatlantic.net [207.68.50.197]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA27292; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101bfd34e$3aaa1c80$6401a8c0@tp466> Reply-To: "Jim Biggerstaff" From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: "Brad Burean" , "Think" References: <00c101bfd32a$1416f800$b3ca1b3f@default> Subject: Re: Old games Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:39:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I'd go to ftp.cdrom.com and fish around in /pub/games. You will probably want to focus on DOS games. Good luck, jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Burean To: Think Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 3:20 PM Subject: Old games > Got my son a old 75mhz computer which is fine for SLOW browsing and email. > Anyone know of some > sites that might have some older games to keep him busy? Thanks. > > Brad > 701C (2) > 560 > 755 > > > > > > > > > From cph Sat Jun 10 20:14:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA31571 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:14:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06601; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:11:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06415; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06401; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:11:12 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.180]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000611001110.TFPQ1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:11:10 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000610200956.01381860@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:09:56 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: SETI searchers sought In-Reply-To: <39428BC5.24912.6AA40A0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: If searching for ET or cracking codes doesn't interest you, there are a number of distributed projects around. Information about some of them can be found at: http://www.jc-news.com/pc/parse.cgi?distributed/start Jane 746 SETI@Home WU completed 1.00 years Total CPU Time 11 hr 45 min 46.9 sec Avg CPU/WU TP600 w/ 128MB running the command line version on NT40 From cph Sat Jun 10 20:20:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA31595 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:20:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07105; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:17:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06933; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06919; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:17:27 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21050 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3942DA3D.D02B01B7@stanford.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:15:57 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Think Subject: Re: Old games References: <00c101bfd32a$1416f800$b3ca1b3f@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I seldom visit sites, but I do remember a few good games I played on my old 486SX-25 and 486DX4-100. Here are some recommendations... One of my favorites is One Must Fall: 2097, a 2D fighting game ala Street Fighter, but with robots. No stupid blood/gore - if you lose, your robot collapses, although there *are* special finishing moves ala Mortal Kombat that smash up your opponent's robot... also very cool. In one player mode there's a story, and it progresses differently with different chosen pilots. In the tournament mode you can upgrade your robot (or change models) with speed, armor, damage and special enhancements. Very cool. And it was FAST on my old 486SX-25. Even faster on my 486DX4-100. Also, the sound is stereo, and used to good effect - you'll realize this at the opening screen. And the best thing is, it's FREE! It was shareware, but then Epic (the publisher) made the full version freeware. Epic doesn't store it, but Google will quickly locate a site for you to download the full version. I strongly advise downloading a list of available moves too - they're different for different robots. Warning: prepare to lose a lot of sleep playing it... LOL. I had a lot of fun, and recently downloaded it again in preparation for the summer holidays :-) Sorry for all the praise I'm heaping on it but I really did have tons of fun with it. Another good one is Tyrian, an overhead shooter - the "one plane against the world" type of game. Very cool, and lots of hidden stuff. Tons of secret codes to give you different ships and weapons - for example, when you finish it once, your ship becomes a "carrotship" that shoots bananas - hilarious. But you also get unusual ships/weapons too. It's free, or at least you can get a demo. Great fun too. Also by Epic. Wolfenstein 3D is of course the classic 3D first person shooter (FPS). Also very fast on my 486SX-25. I think Doom and Dark Forces are other FPS games that will also run well on a P75. Adventure games: the Exile series is similar to the Ultima IV/V fantasy role-playing games. Either will be excellent. Ultima IV is free, so get it! Lots of fun too, and the ending is quite spectacular to watch. Benjamin Brad Burean wrote: > > Got my son a old 75mhz computer which is fine for SLOW browsing and email. > Anyone know of some > sites that might have some older games to keep him busy? Thanks. > > Brad > 701C (2) > 560 > 755 -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (68k/PPC) or PC without IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Sat Jun 10 20:37:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA31680 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:37:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07962; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:34:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07819; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07793; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.41 -> mail2.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:34:08 -0400 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000611003406.CTUT1114.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:34:06 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: "Robert Nicholson" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:34:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Issues installing SuSe 6.4 on a 600X Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com CC: , , Message-ID: <3942A63E.29687.711A9F7@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <001501bfd321$827a5520$e46df4d1@ann> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Hi Robert, Just a thought - try installing with an external monitor with more pixels. Tom At 2000 June 10 - Saturday 14:19, Robert Nicholson spoke about *Issues installing SuSe 6.4 on a 600...* saying > Anybody managed to do this? I swear it does not work.. > > If you use YAST2 you will reboot after the first "session" completes > properly and when it reboots you'll get a graphical installer that's full > screen but cropped all around the outside so that you cannot press any > buttons or see outside of the little "window"... NB: The redhat 6.2 > graphical installer does this too. > > If you try a "manual" install you'll get to the point where you say "Start > Installation" and it won't install any packages even if you've told it to do > a "default" configuration.. > > It has CD 2: on the screen but it never "prompts" to insert it. > > Stuck big time. > > Curiously enough if I press CTRL (as per the manual) and put YAST2 in "text > mode" it will do an "automatic install" Whatever that is. I didn't let it > complete as I fear that it might totally use the whole disk. ------------ Tom Trottier ICQ: 57647974 TomATrottier@home.com <<<>>> 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Sat Jun 10 22:07:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA31965 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:07:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12276; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:04:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12079; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12065; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:04:33 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.174.26]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:05:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id WAA08287 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:04:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:04:27 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [OT] GPSes and consumerism (was GPS for 730T) In-Reply-To: <20000610223611.15594.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Steve C. wrote: > Do you mean the ONE MONTH warranty? Sounds like you > are a big supporter of planned obsolensence! > Anyway, they told me they don't fix them. > If they did then they could fix them either in or out > of the one month warranty. If it's in warranty they You're making a bad assumption here - that DeLorme has the time or resources to perform service on individual GPS units. If a unit's in warranty, it's not a problem - the whole service request can be filled by replacing the unit and sending the customer's unit to be retested. If a unit's not in warranty, the request has to be handled individually. Since the problem isn't considered "resolved" until that old unit's repaired or returned to the customer, it takes more time to process, requires more attention, data storage, resources of all kinds. > would just send you a new one. Either way, when the > warranty runs out you're screwed! > Warranty == replace. The Earthmate is almost certainly a non-servicable item. Anyway, aren't you the guy with the Tripmate? How many years old is that thing now? In what sense are you -not- screwed if a piece of portable electronics bites the dust out of warranty? If you want a longer warranty than a manufacturer provides, get a support contract from a retail store. Retail stores exist precisely for the reason that people tend to be willing to throw away a bit more money for the sake of convenience and/or security. Best Buy will be happy to charge you an extra $40-$50 to guarantee the GPS against most everything that's not your fault for a year or two. This is stupid. Things break, and sometimes you just need to buy a new one. You deal, and you move on. I don't think it's beyond reason that a map publishing company would be unable to repair a 2 year old GPS, particularly when the cost of diagnosing or repairing just about anything electronic is going to be comparable in labor alone to the retail price of a replacement unit. I hope anyone who's looking to buy a GPS or any other complicated piece of electronics, and expecting reliability and service over three or more years think through their options and priorities. Do your own research into the different brands, warranties, compatibility, and how much it's going to cost to get extra service if you think you'll need it. If you don't, you have yourself to blame when things turn sour. Oh, and sorry for the long rant on list space. Threads like this should get tagged [OT] a lot more quickly. > --- STeve Andre' wrote: > > I can't let this go un commented: Delorme does fix > > things, in > > warranty. After that it's cheaper for the customer > > to buy a new > > one rather than have the company fix it. > > > > Thats a far cry from "Delorme does not fix them". > > > > --STeve Andre' > > > > At 10:50 AM 6/10/00 -0700, Steve C. wrote: > > >Stay away from Delorme units because if they break > > you > > >can't get them repaired because Delorme does not ---GEC Projects page: http://tetsujin.sourceforge.net/ GAIM/AOL IM: Tetsujin0 - Message anytime -- ICQ: 46909656 - I never use it From cph Sat Jun 10 22:46:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA32089 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:46:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14047; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:43:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13899; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13885; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.192 -> web124.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:43:17 -0400 Received: (qmail 9739 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jun 2000 02:43:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20000611024308.9738.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web124.yahoomail.com; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:43:08 PDT Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:43:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: SETI searchers sought To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Well 5 is a start but I've done 436. Wonder if I can do both at the same time? > >I hope this isn't an abuse of the list, but I'd > like to solicit some > >CPU cycles for a good cause. I just started > Searching for Extra- > >Terrestrial Intelligence (I've given up on > earth...) and have > >processed 5 datasets so far for the SETI project in > the background. > > Personaly i prefer the distributed.net cotest. > Searching for aliens > doesn't interest me since its doesn't show me any > real results and > i don't expect to find anything out there. > > Cracking RC5 on the distributed.net contest is much > more fun :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From cph Sat Jun 10 23:24:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA32203 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:24:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15980; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:20:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15772; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web110.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15754; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web110.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.80 -> web110.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:20:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 14045 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jun 2000 03:20:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000611032040.14044.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web110.yahoomail.com; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:20:40 PDT Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:20:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: [OT] GPSes and consumerism (was GPS for 730T) To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Yes I have the Tripmate. It's about 2 years old but I actually only used it once. When I tried to use it again it didn't work. I guess you could say it's only good for a one time use, like those disposable cameras. The difference is you know the cameras are disposable in advance. Delorme goes to great lengths to hide their 30 day warranty. The warranty isn't even mentioned anywhere on their website or in the specs. Some companies do still fix things. I used to work in the repair dept. at Honeywell and I know that an item can be repaired by just running it through the initial testing again. There is no big investment in manpower or equipment involved. If your Thinkpad only had a 30 day warranty and died the second time you used it would you be happy or take it in stride? Just consider that "things break and you should buy a new one"! It's thinking like yours that is causing this country to go to hell. BTW, if anyone feels lucky and wants to take a chance check out Delorme's website. They are unloading Tripmates and Earthmates for $79.00 and $89.00 but there's no mention of any warranty, not even 30 days. --- George Caswell wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Steve C. wrote: > > > Do you mean the ONE MONTH warranty? Sounds like > you > > are a big supporter of planned obsolensence! > > Anyway, they told me they don't fix them. > > If they did then they could fix them either in or > out > > of the one month warranty. If it's in warranty > they > > You're making a bad assumption here - that > DeLorme has the time or > resources to perform service on individual GPS > units. If a unit's in > warranty, it's not a problem - the whole service > request can be filled by > replacing the unit and sending the customer's unit > to be retested. If a > unit's not in warranty, the request has to be > handled individually. Since the > problem isn't considered "resolved" until that old > unit's repaired or returned > to the customer, it takes more time to process, > requires more attention, data > storage, resources of all kinds. > > > would just send you a new one. Either way, when > the > > warranty runs out you're screwed! > > > Warranty == replace. The Earthmate is almost > certainly a non-servicable > item. Anyway, aren't you the guy with the Tripmate? > How many years old is > that thing now? > > In what sense are you -not- screwed if a piece of > portable electronics > bites the dust out of warranty? > > If you want a longer warranty than a manufacturer > provides, get a support > contract from a retail store. Retail stores exist > precisely for the reason > that people tend to be willing to throw away a bit > more money for the sake of > convenience and/or security. Best Buy will be happy > to charge you an extra > $40-$50 to guarantee the GPS against most everything > that's not your fault for > a year or two. > > This is stupid. Things break, and sometimes you > just need to buy a new > one. You deal, and you move on. I don't think it's > beyond reason that a map > publishing company would be unable to repair a 2 > year old GPS, particularly > when the cost of diagnosing or repairing just about > anything electronic is > going to be comparable in labor alone to the retail > price of a replacement > unit. > > I hope anyone who's looking to buy a GPS or any > other complicated piece of > electronics, and expecting reliability and service > over three or more years > think through their options and priorities. Do your > own research into the > different brands, warranties, compatibility, and how > much it's going to cost > to get extra service if you think you'll need it. > If you don't, you have > yourself to blame when things turn sour. > > Oh, and sorry for the long rant on list space. > Threads like this should > get tagged [OT] a lot more quickly. > > > --- STeve Andre' wrote: > > > I can't let this go un commented: Delorme does > fix > > > things, in > > > warranty. After that it's cheaper for the > customer > > > to buy a new > > > one rather than have the company fix it. > > > > > > Thats a far cry from "Delorme does not fix > them". __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From cph Sun Jun 11 00:53:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA32511 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:53:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20292; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:49:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20038; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20016; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:49:44 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA17507; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:49:42 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA06081; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000610214033.00a96ca0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 21:47:47 -0700 To: "William Armstrong" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Partition Magic & W2K/NTFS (and A20p impressions) In-Reply-To: References: <61.45d6135.26738788@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 04:12 PM 6/10/00 -0400, you wrote: >Yesterday and this morning I installed W2K as a dual boot. I actually >thought that I would prefer to have a W2K machine to begin with, but this >may be better because I have a about 300 digital photos that I need to print >and one of the photo printers that I will use only has Win95/98 drivers. The >other problem is that when you set up W2K as a dual boot or install clean >you lose the DVDExpress software in W2K, so I for the time being I will have >to use W98 for watching DVDs. On my T20, I installed W2K in addition to its W98 native in a dual boot configuration. I found the Mediamatics player installed and ran just fine in W2K and can use it to watch DVD in either OS. >There is still one unknown device listed in Device Manager, but I do not >know what it is. When I get a chance I will check Device Manager in my >TP770Z (with a clean install of W2K) to see if I can figure out what's >missing. Try the IBM PM (Power Management) device driver. Worked like a charm for me (on the T20). Here's a problem I had--and it forced me to lose an entire W2K install (and a re-install, until I figured this out). Is there any accepted way to use Partition Magic (or anything like it) to move or re-size the NTFS-formatted boot volume of W2K without rendering it unable to fully boot? I found out the hard way--unless there's something I'm missing--that you can't. It will boot all the way into the automated login and then kind of go into an infinite loop--continually re-showing the final phase of boot up, but never actually getting it done. If there's a W2K/Partition Magic guru that knows how to do this, I'd sure appreciate the pointers. - Randy Whittle From cph Sun Jun 11 00:53:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA32515 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:53:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20294; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:49:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20052; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20019; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:49:44 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA17511; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:49:43 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA06088; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000610214757.00a94420@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 21:49:35 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: GPS for Thinkpad 730T In-Reply-To: <20000610175018.25848.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Please, get over this rant. You will *never* find a less expensive GPS receiver, and you can't expect them to spend $100 to fix a $100 unit. If its important to you, then go out and buy a Garmin GPS III, but it will cost you $300+. At 10:50 AM 6/10/00 -0700, you wrote: >You should be able to use about any unit that has a >serial port. >Stay away from Delorme units because if they break you >can't get them repaired because Delorme does not fix >them! > >--- Matt Winston wrote: > > Can anyone tell me which GPS unit works best with > > the 730T, please? > > I'll be using it mostly in the Midwest. > > Thanks, > > Matt Winston From cph Sun Jun 11 02:38:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA32716 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:38:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25421; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:34:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25134; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25120; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.40 -> mail1.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:34:08 -0400 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000611063408.KERT416.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a> for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:34:08 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: Think Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:34:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Old games Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com Message-ID: <3942FA9D.31191.85B44CB@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3942DA3D.D02B01B7@stanford.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: At 2000 June 10 - Saturday 17:15, Benjamin Koh spoke about *Re: Old games...* saying ... > Wolfenstein 3D is of course the classic 3D first person shooter (FPS). > Also very fast on my 486SX-25. I think Doom and Dark Forces are > other FPS games that will also run well on a P75. Doom runs really well on the 701. 4 years ago, my kids played it in the back of the car from Iowa to Toronto, a thousand miles or so... ... > Brad Burean wrote: > > > > Got my son a old 75mhz computer which is fine for SLOW browsing and email. > > Anyone know of some > > sites that might have some older games to keep him busy? Thanks. > > > > Brad > > 701C (2) > > 560 > > 755 ... ------------ Tom Trottier ICQ: 57647974 TomATrottier@home.com <<<>>> 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Sun Jun 11 03:25:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA00370 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:25:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28726; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:21:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28520; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28507; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (141.213.75.21 -> srvr22.engin.umich.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:21:33 -0400 Received: from azure.engin.umich.edu (root@azure.engin.umich.edu [141.213.74.24]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA05412 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (arteitle@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by azure.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA11043 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:21:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: GPS for Thinkpad 730T In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000610214757.00a94420@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Actually, the Rand McNally StreetFinder 2000 w/ GPS receiver package is a great deal as well. You get a computer mouse-sized serial port GPS made by Talon Co. of New Zealand, featuring the Rockwell Zodiac chipset, plus complete Etak maps of the USA for around $60-$80 (after rebate). I bought this package mostly for the GPS receiver, which I use with Delorme Street Atlas 7.0. The Rand McNally receiver is completely standard NMEA and doesn't require a special initialization string like the Tripmate or Earthmate, so it can be used with virtually any GPS software around. Plus, it can even speak Rockwell Binary (like the Earthmate) with a little bit of software hacking (not for the casual user, though). Aaron Teitlebaum arteitle@engin.umich.edu On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > Please, get over this rant. You will *never* find a less expensive GPS > receiver, and you can't expect them to spend $100 to fix a $100 unit. If > its important to you, then go out and buy a Garmin GPS III, but it will > cost you $300+. > > > At 10:50 AM 6/10/00 -0700, you wrote: > >You should be able to use about any unit that has a > >serial port. > >Stay away from Delorme units because if they break you > >can't get them repaired because Delorme does not fix > >them! > > > >--- Matt Winston wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me which GPS unit works best with > > > the 730T, please? > > > I'll be using it mostly in the Midwest. > > > Thanks, > > > Matt Winston > > From cph Sun Jun 11 03:38:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA00389 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:38:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29819; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:34:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29491; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29478; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:34:44 -0400 Received: from ann (dialup-209.245.163.113.Seattle1.Level3.net [209.245.163.113]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id AAA16725; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:33:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert Nicholson" To: , Subject: Little surprised as to why this happened. Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:35:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: I think I have some kind of geometry mismatch with LILO ... Here's what I did. OK this week I went out a got a 18GIG drive to put in my ultra slim bay on my 600X Previously today I'd installed SuSe 6.4 on my internal 12GIG drive and used ghost to backup that drive to the 18GIG. The root partition lies well above 1024 cylinder mark on the 12GIG drive but it still boots fine both from floppy and LILO on the root filesystem. So, today I tried to swap the 18GIG with the 12GIG as I want the bigger drive as my boot device. and when I boot from harddrive or the bootfloppy I just get LI nothing else. Why did this happen? I didn't expect this ... I look at PartitionInfo and it tells me the geometry's of the the two drives are the same. I'm not so sure about that really but they have the same number of heads and sectors per track and so therefore I simply thought that the starting cyclinder of the root filesystem and the boot filesystem would be the same on both machines. ... Why isn't LILO working even though both drives seem to have the same geometry. This isn't a problem to me as long as I can restore from the 18 gig drive to the 12gig and it just works. ie. the drive becomes exactly as it was before. But I would have expected to be able to boot from this drive also. In the above scenario isn't lilo at exactly the same sector on both disks? From cph Sun Jun 11 05:06:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA00597 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 05:06:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04442; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 05:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 05:01:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04197; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 05:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04184; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 05:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 05:01:39 -0400 Received: from user-37kba01.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37kba01.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.168.1]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA30442; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 05:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006110901.FAA30442@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Jane Loyless" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 05:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000610200956.01381860@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: SETI searchers sought List-Unsubscribe: One of fhose beings painted the interior of my house. Plenty of paint on the floor but the ceilings are hell. Must have different standards "out there." On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:09:56 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: >If searching for ET or cracking codes doesn't interest you, there are a >number of distributed projects around. Information about some of them can >be found at: > >http://www.jc-news.com/pc/parse.cgi?distributed/start > >Jane > >746 SETI@Home WU completed > >1.00 years Total CPU Time > >11 hr 45 min 46.9 sec Avg CPU/WU > >TP600 w/ 128MB running the command line version on NT40 > From cph Sun Jun 11 08:14:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA10440 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 08:14:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20492; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 08:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 08:03:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20326; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 08:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20313; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 08:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 08:03:49 -0400 Received: from wald7 (adsl-141-155-113-84.bellatlantic.net [141.155.113.84]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA29938; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 08:03:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Subject: RE: Partition Magic & W2K/NTFS (and A20p impressions) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:07:07 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000610214033.00a96ca0@127.0.0.1> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Randy, Don't know anything about your Partition Magic problem. I used to use it all the time to create additional partitions, but now I just stick with one partition for everything. Have W2K and W98 both running on one FAT 32 partition on my A20p. >On my T20, I installed W2K in addition to its W98 native in a dual boot configuration. I found the Mediamatics player installed and ran just fine in W2K and can use it to watch DVD in either OS.< How did you do this? I have the a W98 preinstall onto which I added W2K as a dual boot using an upgrade copy of W2K. I do not have the Mediamatics player in W2K, but it's still there in W98. >Try the IBM PM (Power Management) device driver. Worked like a charm for me (on the T20).< I intstalled the PM driver. Still have an unknown device. -Bill Armstrong From cph Sun Jun 11 09:23:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA10601 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:23:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23815; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:20:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23635; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23622; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:20:04 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (IDENT:ilh@ursa-minor-home [18.27.16.2]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23863; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <394391FB.A7B47B2E@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:19:56 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-100tp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Nicholson CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, linux-thinkpad@topica.com Subject: Re: Little surprised as to why this happened. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've seen this exact same thing with my 600. For some reason, the drive geometry is different in the ultraslimbay vs. in the machine. What a hassle. I think you can specify the geometry explicitly in lilo.conf or at the LILO prompt. However, I generally swap out the main hard drive. --Lee Hetherington From cph Sun Jun 11 11:03:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA10884 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:03:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28382; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:00:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28225; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28212; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:00:02 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA27285; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:00:00 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id KAA15269; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 10:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000611075545.00a92a00@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:59:52 -0700 To: "William Armstrong" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: Partition Magic & W2K/NTFS (and A20p impressions) In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000610214033.00a96ca0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:07 AM 6/11/00 -0400, you wrote: >Don't know anything about your Partition Magic problem. I used to use it all >the time to create additional partitions, but now I just stick with one >partition for everything. Have W2K and W98 both running on one FAT 32 >partition on my A20p. Please tell me how you do this! My understanding was that I had to install 2K into its own partition, separate from 98. The impression I got was that if I installed it in the partition *with* 98, that it was going to chew up 98 for lunch. The install program gives me that impression, anyway. Please tell me! > >On my T20, I installed W2K in addition to its W98 native in a dual boot >configuration. > >I found the Mediamatics player installed and ran just fine in W2K and can >use it to watch DVD in either OS.< > >How did you do this? I have the a W98 preinstall onto which I added W2K as a >dual boot using an upgrade copy of W2K. I do not have the Mediamatics player >in W2K, but it's still there in W98. My T20 came with a "Software Selections" CD. You can installed stuff from off of there (though I think everything comes pre-installed--but that's not much help if you install a new OS). The Mediamatics software was right there, and installed just fine into W2K. I install all software "over themselves" so its accessible from either 98 or 2K, without taking up lots of extra HD space. So both 98 and 2K are running the same software from the same drive locations. From cph Sun Jun 11 12:36:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA11197 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:36:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03399; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:32:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03207; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03194; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:32:24 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (IDENT:ilh@ursa-minor-home [18.27.16.2]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24630; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <3943BF08.2D931920@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:32:08 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-100tp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: William Armstrong , TP List Subject: Re: Partition Magic & W2K/NTFS (and A20p impressions) References: <4.2.0.58.20000610214033.00a96ca0@127.0.0.1> <4.2.0.58.20000611075545.00a92a00@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've installed Win95 and WinNT in the same partition. Basically, Win95 goes into C:\WINDOWS and NT into C:\WINNT. I would guess Win2K would do something similar. Having said that, I prefer to keep them separate. Still, I only have Win2K and Linux on my TP600 currently, having dropped Win98 a while ago. --Lee Hetherington From cph Sun Jun 11 12:41:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA11223 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:41:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03831; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:39:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03679; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03666; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:39:07 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA29349; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:38:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Subject: RE: Partition Magic & W2K/NTFS (and A20p impressions) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:39:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000611075545.00a92a00@127.0.0.1> List-Unsubscribe: > I install all software "over themselves" so its accessible from > either 98 or 2K, without taking up lots of extra HD space. So > both 98 and > 2K are running the same software from the same drive locations. This will usually work, but beware that you will run into some problems. In particular, you will have trouble uninstalling any of that software in both OS's. If you want to uninstall in both OS's, you have to do it like this and hope that it works: 1. Uninstall in OS A. 2. Boot OS B and reinstall the software on top of itself again. 3. Uninstall in OS B. -Mike From cph Sun Jun 11 12:45:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA11235 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:45:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04193; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:43:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04054; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04040; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:43:06 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA29692; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:42:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: Subject: RE: A20p impressions Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:43:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: > Speaking about memory, does the A20P use the same memory as the > 770Z's? I mean are the modules the same except for the 256MB module? Nope, not the same. References: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf -Mike From cph Sun Jun 11 14:25:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA11642 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:25:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09398; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:21:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09150; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09137; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (207.181.194.95 -> atlas.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:21:48 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by atlas.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08009; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLACKBIRD (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA38411; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003101bfd3d2$39282b70$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Michael Geary" , "Vincent Poy" Cc: References: Subject: Re: A20p impressions Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:24:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Sorry, Mike, the memory for the A20p is 100MHz and not 66MHz. The part number for the IBM 128mb that I installed on my new A20p (2629-62U) is 20L0255 and the description reads "Non-Parity SO DIMM Memory Upgrade 128mb 100mHz SDRAM 4k Refresh." It is the same as the memory used by the ThinkPad 390X series. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Geary" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: RE: A20p impressions > > Speaking about memory, does the A20P use the same memory as the > > 770Z's? I mean are the modules the same except for the 256MB module? > > Nope, not the same. References: > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf > > -Mike > > From cph Sun Jun 11 14:37:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA11683 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:37:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10159; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:34:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09985; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09972; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:34:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13999; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 08:33:58 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 08:33:58 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: "David W. Taylor" cc: Michael Geary , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20p impressions In-Reply-To: <003101bfd3d2$39282b70$0311a8c0@detayls.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, David W. Taylor wrote: Hmm, but doesn't the 390X series, 770 series and i series all use the same memory? I rememeber they were listed together by the big mail order houses. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > Sorry, Mike, the memory for the A20p is 100MHz and not 66MHz. > > The part number for the IBM 128mb that I installed on my new A20p (2629-62U) > is 20L0255 and the description reads "Non-Parity SO DIMM Memory Upgrade > 128mb 100mHz SDRAM 4k Refresh." > > It is the same as the memory used by the ThinkPad 390X series. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Geary" > To: "Vincent Poy" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 9:43 AM > Subject: RE: A20p impressions > > > > > Speaking about memory, does the A20P use the same memory as the > > > 770Z's? I mean are the modules the same except for the 256MB module? > > > > Nope, not the same. References: > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf > > > > -Mike > > > > > > From cph Sun Jun 11 14:43:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA11721 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:43:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10731; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:41:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10509; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10496; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:41:02 -0400 Received: from dallas (quincy-ip-8-46.dynamic.ziplink.net [209.206.35.46]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA15068 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:41:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: A20p impressions Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:41:14 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfd3d4$9efb4ca0$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Well, the earlier 770s used 66 mhz SDRAM, not PC-100 spec stuff. (note however, that if you upgraded your 770 with PC100 memory, that you could then use these modules in the new computers- you can almost always use PC100 spec in PC66 machines, with no trouble) I imagine PC-100 modules of typical chip densities will work on the A20 and T20 with no trouble whatsoever. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 2:34 PM > To: David W. Taylor > Cc: Michael Geary; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: A20p impressions > > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, David W. Taylor wrote: > > Hmm, but doesn't the 390X series, 770 series and i series all use > the same memory? I rememeber they were listed together by the big mail > order houses. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ > __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | > / |[__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | > / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / > |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > Sorry, Mike, the memory for the A20p is 100MHz and not 66MHz. > > > > The part number for the IBM 128mb that I installed on my new > A20p (2629-62U) > > is 20L0255 and the description reads "Non-Parity SO DIMM Memory Upgrade > > 128mb 100mHz SDRAM 4k Refresh." > > > > It is the same as the memory used by the ThinkPad 390X series. > > > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Geary" > > To: "Vincent Poy" > > Cc: > > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 9:43 AM > > Subject: RE: A20p impressions > > > > > > > > Speaking about memory, does the A20P use the same memory as the > > > > 770Z's? I mean are the modules the same except for the > 256MB module? > > > > > > Nope, not the same. References: > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Sun Jun 11 14:44:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA11730 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:44:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10881; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:41:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10587; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10574; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (207.181.194.95 -> atlas.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:41:44 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by atlas.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13861; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLACKBIRD (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA38660; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00a901bfd3d5$01d479a0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "Michael Geary" , References: Subject: Re: A20p impressions Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:43:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: No. Look *really* closely at the PDF links that Mike cited. The 390X is NOT included in the list. The 66 vs 100mHz difference is significant. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vincent Poy" To: "David W. Taylor" Cc: "Michael Geary" ; Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 11:33 AM Subject: Re: A20p impressions > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, David W. Taylor wrote: > > Hmm, but doesn't the 390X series, 770 series and i series all use > the same memory? I rememeber they were listed together by the big mail > order houses. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > Sorry, Mike, the memory for the A20p is 100MHz and not 66MHz. > > > > The part number for the IBM 128mb that I installed on my new A20p (2629-62U) > > is 20L0255 and the description reads "Non-Parity SO DIMM Memory Upgrade > > 128mb 100mHz SDRAM 4k Refresh." > > > > It is the same as the memory used by the ThinkPad 390X series. > > > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Geary" > > To: "Vincent Poy" > > Cc: > > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 9:43 AM > > Subject: RE: A20p impressions > > > > > > > > Speaking about memory, does the A20P use the same memory as the > > > > 770Z's? I mean are the modules the same except for the 256MB module? > > > > > > Nope, not the same. References: > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Sun Jun 11 14:50:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA11745 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:50:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11496; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:47:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11374; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11361; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:47:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14137; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 08:47:40 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 08:47:40 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: "David W. Taylor" cc: Michael Geary , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20p impressions In-Reply-To: <00a901bfd3d5$01d479a0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, David W. Taylor wrote: Good point. Mike cited the OEM IBM memory but I was saying third party memory like Crucial. Maybe some companies just made 100Mhz memory so that it would work with more system to save in production costs. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > No. Look *really* closely at the PDF links that Mike cited. > > The 390X is NOT included in the list. > > The 66 vs 100mHz difference is significant. > > David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vincent Poy" > To: "David W. Taylor" > Cc: "Michael Geary" ; > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 11:33 AM > Subject: Re: A20p impressions > > > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, David W. Taylor wrote: > > > > Hmm, but doesn't the 390X series, 770 series and i series all use > > the same memory? I rememeber they were listed together by the big mail > > order houses. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | > __] ] > > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > > > Sorry, Mike, the memory for the A20p is 100MHz and not 66MHz. > > > > > > The part number for the IBM 128mb that I installed on my new A20p > (2629-62U) > > > is 20L0255 and the description reads "Non-Parity SO DIMM Memory Upgrade > > > 128mb 100mHz SDRAM 4k Refresh." > > > > > > It is the same as the memory used by the ThinkPad 390X series. > > > > > > David > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael Geary" > > > To: "Vincent Poy" > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 9:43 AM > > > Subject: RE: A20p impressions > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking about memory, does the A20P use the same memory as the > > > > > 770Z's? I mean are the modules the same except for the 256MB > module? > > > > > > > > Nope, not the same. References: > > > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf > > > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Sun Jun 11 15:02:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA11787 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:02:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12181; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:59:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12021; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12007; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:59:07 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA20036; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:58:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Vincent Poy" , "David W. Taylor" Cc: Subject: RE: A20p impressions and TBOOKS Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:59:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: > > Sorry, Mike, the memory for the A20p is 100MHz and not 66MHz. Right, David, I think that's what I was saying. (I'm green with envy, too... ) > Hmm, but doesn't the 390X series, 770 series and i series all use > the same memory? I rememeber they were listed together by the big mail > order houses. Those TBOOKS are really helpful in sorting out this kind of stuff. Here's a more complete list: ThinkPad A and T series: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf ThinkPad I series (current models): ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tibook.pdf ThinkPad I series (withdrawn models): ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tiwbook.pdf ThinkPad numeric series (current models): ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tbook.pdf ThinkPad numeric series (withdrawn models): ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf If you don't have it already, you need Adobe Acrobat Reader to view these: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html -Mike From cph Sun Jun 11 15:07:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA11808 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:07:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12601; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:04:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12445; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12432; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:04:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14309; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:04:05 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:04:05 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Geary cc: "David W. Taylor" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: A20p impressions and TBOOKS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > > Sorry, Mike, the memory for the A20p is 100MHz and not 66MHz. > > Right, David, I think that's what I was saying. (I'm green with envy, too... > ) Heh, it better be since it would be weird to run around with a 66Mhz PIII Processor =P > > Hmm, but doesn't the 390X series, 770 series and i series all use > > the same memory? I rememeber they were listed together by the big mail > > order houses. > > Those TBOOKS are really helpful in sorting out this kind of stuff. Here's a > more complete list: > > ThinkPad A and T series: > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf > > ThinkPad I series (current models): > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tibook.pdf > > ThinkPad I series (withdrawn models): > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tiwbook.pdf > > ThinkPad numeric series (current models): > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tbook.pdf > > ThinkPad numeric series (withdrawn models): > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf > > If you don't have it already, you need Adobe Acrobat Reader to view these: > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html Yeah, just checked those out. For people that have the A20P already, does it only have one user replaceable memory socket while the other is hidden somewhere? If you take out the memory that is user replaceable, would it be 128 mb still or 0? Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Sun Jun 11 15:50:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA11997 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:50:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15071; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:46:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14853; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from entek3.entek.chalmers.se (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14840; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from entek3.entek.chalmers.se (129.16.54.11 -> entek3.entek.chalmers.se) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:46:30 -0400 Received: from entekpc23 (dynamic-193-190.dialup.chalmers.se [129.16.193.190]) by entek3.entek.chalmers.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA22430; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:46:19 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <004601bfd3dd$b7058a50$bec11081@entekpc23> From: "Niclas Mattsson" To: "Michael Geary" , References: Subject: Re: CTRL/FN key switch, WHY?!? Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:46:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Sorry, I didn't even consider the possibility that every Thinkpad has the same Fn-Ctrl-Alt layout (there I go giving away my "newbieness" immediately). So there won't be any change for you faithful IBM:ers, but for me upgrading from Dell this is a big problem. Hope I get used to it eventually. But I have never been so impressed with a laptop as I am with this T20! It works marvelously in Windows2000, whereas the Dells (both old and new) had *tons* of problems ... /Niclas > What do you mean--are the bottom left keys now Ctrl-Fn-Alt instead of > Fn-Ctrl-Alt as in every other ThinkPad? I sure hope they kept the ThinkPad > keyboard layout unchanged--that's one of the reasons I'm comfortable going > from one ThinkPad to another. > > Or did you mean it's different from other notebook brands you've used > before? (I hope that's what you meant.) If so, just give yourself some time > to get used to it. After a while it will seem perfectly natural. > > Bill--what's the layout on the A20p? Thanks! > > -Mike > > > I have a new T20 which seems great in almost every respect > > (especially after > > returning two junky Latitudes to Dell), BUT: > > > > Why did IBM switch the layout of the CTRL & FN keys? I can't > > stand it! It's > > a nightmare for a quasi-touchtyper like myself. Is it possible to > > remap CTRL > > to the FN key somehow? > > > > Niclas Mattsson > > > > > From cph Sun Jun 11 16:03:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA12063 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:03:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16023; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:01:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15865; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15852; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:00:58 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.175.151]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:01:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id NAA00820; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:18:07 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:18:03 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: GPS for Thinkpad 730T In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Aaron R. Teitlebaum wrote: > Actually, the Rand McNally StreetFinder 2000 w/ GPS receiver package is a > great deal as well. You get a computer mouse-sized serial port GPS made > by Talon Co. of New Zealand, featuring the Rockwell Zodiac chipset, plus > complete Etak maps of the USA for around $60-$80 (after rebate). I bought > this package mostly for the GPS receiver, which I use with Delorme Street > Atlas 7.0. The Rand McNally receiver is completely standard NMEA and > doesn't require a special initialization string like the Tripmate or > Earthmate, so it can be used with virtually any GPS software around. > Plus, it can even speak Rockwell Binary (like the Earthmate) with a little > bit of software hacking (not for the casual user, though). > I haven't used the Rand McNally unit, but this brings up a good point - one issue I have w/ the DeLorme GPS units is the protocol - I don't know all the details, but it's a Rockwell binary protocol (which is available from Rockwell) but the initialization, as you say, may not be so simple to obtain. The advantage of NMEA-compatible units is they'll work with any GPS software out there, and the NMEA protocol is well documented and easy to find if you write software yourself. From cph Sun Jun 11 16:39:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA12186 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:39:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18232; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:36:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18049; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18036; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:36:46 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.175.151]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:36:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id NAA00876 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:53:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:53:57 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [OT] GPSes and consumerism (was GPS for 730T) In-Reply-To: <20000611032040.14044.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Steve C. wrote: > Some companies do still fix things. I used to work in > the repair dept. at Honeywell and I know that an item > can be repaired by just running it through the initial > testing again. There is no big investment in manpower > or equipment involved. If your Thinkpad only had a 30 Fixing -what-, first off? If it's one-piece portable electronics with no moving parts, then I highly doubt it. And yes, there is a difference in manpower and time between taking a warrantied unit in and saying "OK, it's under warranty - so no matter what happens the customer should be receiving a working unit at no cost." and not paying so much attention to what happens to the customer's original unit and keeping a queue of all items sent in for service, diagnosing them, reporting estimates to the customer, repairing the unit, and sending it back. In the former case units are only serviced or repaired to reclaim some of the loss or replacing it - the service claims themselves are handled trivially, and there is no priority on repairing units. > day warranty and died the second time you used it > would you be happy or take it in stride? Just > consider that "things break and you should buy a new > one"! It's thinking like yours that is causing this > country to go to hell. > Call the white house. You should tell them that you know what's wrong with the country and that you know how to fix it. And no, I wouldn't be happy. But I'd deal with it. The price you pay for equipment being affordable these days is that most of it just isn't repairable. It's been an ongoing trend over the last 20 years at least - and it's also resulted in cheaper prices, smaller units, better performance, and less power consumption. It's called taking responsibility. I don't think you're doing that very much at this point. I think it's high time I took responsibility for my procmail filter. From cph Sun Jun 11 17:24:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA12327 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:24:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20960; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:22:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20802; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20789; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.52 -> smtp13.bellglobal.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:22:26 -0400 Received: from post.queensu.ca (HSE-Kingston-146394.sympatico.ca [216.209.238.241]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA03461 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394402A0.E33A66CE@post.queensu.ca> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:20:32 -0400 From: "hagers@post.queensu.ca" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 385xd hard drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i am looking for a large HD for my thinkpad 385xd..the 3.2 gig is just too small..local stores will not order for me..nor tell me what format i need..i believe it is a 2.5" form factor..but i cannot get anyone to custom order..they tell me there is no profit in it for them..i am sick of trying to deal with these 'ferengi'.... can anyone recommend a HD and a mail order outfit that is reliable..i am in ontario canada..so anything in canada or the u.s. will be fine.. thanks in advance, sh From cph Sun Jun 11 18:00:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA12482 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:00:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22668; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:57:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22505; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22492; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.1 -> ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:57:33 -0400 Received: (qmail 24734 invoked by alias); 11 Jun 2000 21:57:31 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 24712 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2000 21:57:29 -0000 Received: from dialupq124.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.86.124) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 11 Jun 2000 21:57:29 -0000 Message-ID: <39440B34.CA39FA7C@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:57:08 -0700 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing list Subject: New Media .WAVjammer pcmcia 16 bit sound card Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Folks, I picked up a New Media .WAVjammer pcmcia 16 bit sound card at the swap meet yesterday. I am trying to get it to work in a TP360CSE running Windows95. I haven't tried it in OS/2 yet. Win95 sees the card and I installed drivers from the win95 CD-ROM but now it shows the card in control panel under Device Manager then under sound video and games controllers with a yellow boxed ! point. Then under properties it says it isn't working and gives an error code 10. Ideas folks? -- Patrick West pgpkey 2.6.2 fingerprint is 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E 41 From cph Sun Jun 11 18:24:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA12578 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:24:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23950; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:21:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23802; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23789; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.161 -> gtei2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:21:56 -0400 Received: from wald7 (adsl-141-155-114-81.bellatlantic.net [141.155.114.81]) by gtei2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA24257 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:21:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "TP List" Subject: RE: Partition Magic & W2K/NTFS (and A20p impressions) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:25:15 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Hmm... Didn't think about uninstalling, but then I don't expect to use Win98 for much. It seemed to running really well on the A20p, but that was before I started to install any apps. W2K is far superior for most things I do so I don't intend to use Win98 except to print to my Olympus photo printer that has no W2K drivers. -Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Michael Geary [mailto:Mike@Geary.com] Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 12:39 PM To: Randal Whittle; TP List Subject: RE: Partition Magic & W2K/NTFS (and A20p impressions) > I install all software "over themselves" so its accessible from > either 98 or 2K, without taking up lots of extra HD space. So > both 98 and > 2K are running the same software from the same drive locations. This will usually work, but beware that you will run into some problems. In particular, you will have trouble uninstalling any of that software in both OS's. If you want to uninstall in both OS's, you have to do it like this and hope that it works: 1. Uninstall in OS A. 2. Boot OS B and reinstall the software on top of itself again. 3. Uninstall in OS B. -Mike From cph Sun Jun 11 19:05:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA12731 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:05:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26179; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:02:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26028; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout8-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26015; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout8-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.111 -> pimout8-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:02:50 -0400 Received: from rpk (KGTNB103-16.splitrock.net [209.253.201.64]) by pimout8-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA122826; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:02:48 -0400 Message-ID: <001501bfd3f9$58da9260$40c9fdd1@rpk> From: "RPKnorr" To: , References: <394402A0.E33A66CE@post.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: 385xd hard drive Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:04:06 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Try Bill Morrow here on the group. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 5:20 PM Subject: 385xd hard drive > i am looking for a large HD for my thinkpad 385xd..the 3.2 gig is just > too small..local stores will not order for me..nor tell me what format i > need..i believe it is a 2.5" form factor..but i cannot get anyone to > custom order..they tell me there is no profit in it for them..i am sick > of trying to deal with these 'ferengi'.... can anyone recommend a HD and > a mail order outfit that is reliable..i am in ontario canada..so > anything in canada or the u.s. will be fine.. > thanks in advance, sh > From cph Sun Jun 11 19:07:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA12744 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:07:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26455; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:05:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26296; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26283; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:05:22 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-388.gate.net [199.227.173.134]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA94584; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:05:17 -0400 Message-ID: <39441B32.5954B943@gate.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:05:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "hagers@post.queensu.ca" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 385xd hard drive References: <394402A0.E33A66CE@post.queensu.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the 365 will take up to a 6.4gig, no problem.. i'm getting about $205 for the IBM 9mm version.. its a very easy swap, and if you want to retain the ready usability of the current drive, i can also supply the little bracket used with the drive in the 365 series.. i don't know why others won't sell this.. while there is little enough "profit" in these things, on occasion, one can just be a nice guy.. note: the price quoted above gives me sufficient profit.. about $25 to $30, once i factor in the CC fee, shipping, warranty, etc. but not my time or indirect "overhead".. "hagers@post.queensu.ca" wrote: > i am looking for a large HD for my thinkpad 385xd..the 3.2 gig is just > too small..local stores will not order for me..nor tell me what format i > need..i believe it is a 2.5" form factor..but i cannot get anyone to > custom order..they tell me there is no profit in it for them..i am sick > of trying to deal with these 'ferengi'.... can anyone recommend a HD and > a mail order outfit that is reliable..i am in ontario canada..so > anything in canada or the u.s. will be fine.. > thanks in advance, sh -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Jun 11 19:12:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA12766 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:12:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26925; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:10:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26727; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26714; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:10:12 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-388.gate.net [199.227.173.134]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA114024 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:10:09 -0400 Message-ID: <39441C58.8FE88059@gate.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:10:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: A20p and Redhat linux ver. 6.0 HELP! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Trying to get redhat 6.0 loaded on an A20p.. can't get past the video card specs.. not in the list in 6.0, naturally, and IBM is not forthcoming with detailed specs for this display or the ATI chipset they use.. so, if anyone has something to suggest here, i would appreciate hearing/reading it.. :-) -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Jun 11 19:22:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA12824 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:22:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27790; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:19:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27580; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27567; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:19:52 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-388.gate.net [199.227.173.134]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA152962; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:19:35 -0400 Message-ID: <39441E8E.FFDBDF3A@gate.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:19:42 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Michael Geary , "David W. Taylor" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20p impressions and TBOOKS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: not exactly sure what the question IS, BUT.. the A20p supports two DIMM's.. it comes with one 128meg DIMM installed.. i have removed that one 128meg DIMM and replaced it with two 256meg DIMM's.. (just testing these before shipping them to germany on monday, you understand!) the machine boots and win98 shows all 512meg.. this IS 100mhz memory, of course.. :-) and, apparently, this supplier is getting these direct from IBM cheaper than they could build them themselves, for now.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > > > > Sorry, Mike, the memory for the A20p is 100MHz and not 66MHz. > > > > Right, David, I think that's what I was saying. (I'm green with envy, too... > > ) > > Heh, it better be since it would be weird to run around with a > 66Mhz PIII Processor =P > > > > Hmm, but doesn't the 390X series, 770 series and i series all use > > > the same memory? I rememeber they were listed together by the big mail > > > order houses. > > > > Those TBOOKS are really helpful in sorting out this kind of stuff. Here's a > > more complete list: > > > > ThinkPad A and T series: > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf > > > > ThinkPad I series (current models): > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tibook.pdf > > > > ThinkPad I series (withdrawn models): > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tiwbook.pdf > > > > ThinkPad numeric series (current models): > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tbook.pdf > > > > ThinkPad numeric series (withdrawn models): > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf > > > > If you don't have it already, you need Adobe Acrobat Reader to view these: > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html > > Yeah, just checked those out. For people that have the A20P > already, does it only have one user replaceable memory socket while the > other is hidden somewhere? If you take out the memory that is user > replaceable, would it be 128 mb still or 0? > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Jun 11 19:26:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA12839 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:26:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28557; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:24:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28278; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28264; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:24:32 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-388.gate.net [199.227.173.134]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA32780; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:24:27 -0400 Message-ID: <39441FB1.E4CE46E1@gate.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:24:33 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Capone CC: thinkpads2 Subject: Re: A20p impressions References: <000001bfd3d4$9efb4ca0$1b00a8c0@dallas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Gentlemen.. YES, the 100mhz 128meg part works fine (so far) in the 66mhz TP-770Z.. now, when i summon up the guts, i'll try a 256meg part and see what occurs.. :-) Mike Capone wrote: > Well, the earlier 770s used 66 mhz SDRAM, not PC-100 > spec stuff. (note however, that if you upgraded your 770 > with PC100 memory, that you could then use these modules in > the new computers- you can almost always use PC100 spec > in PC66 machines, with no trouble) I imagine PC-100 modules of typical > chip densities will work on the A20 and T20 with > no trouble whatsoever. > > -Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] > > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 2:34 PM > > To: David W. Taylor > > Cc: Michael Geary; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: A20p impressions > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, David W. Taylor wrote: > > > > Hmm, but doesn't the 390X series, 770 series and i series all use > > the same memory? I rememeber they were listed together by the big mail > > order houses. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ > > __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | > > / |[__ ] > > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | > > / | __] ] > > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / > > |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > > > Sorry, Mike, the memory for the A20p is 100MHz and not 66MHz. > > > > > > The part number for the IBM 128mb that I installed on my new > > A20p (2629-62U) > > > is 20L0255 and the description reads "Non-Parity SO DIMM Memory Upgrade > > > 128mb 100mHz SDRAM 4k Refresh." > > > > > > It is the same as the memory used by the ThinkPad 390X series. > > > > > > David > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael Geary" > > > To: "Vincent Poy" > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 9:43 AM > > > Subject: RE: A20p impressions > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking about memory, does the A20P use the same memory as the > > > > > 770Z's? I mean are the modules the same except for the > > 256MB module? > > > > > > > > Nope, not the same. References: > > > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf > > > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Jun 11 19:27:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA12843 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:27:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28653; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:24:52 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28372; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:24:43 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id TAA27076 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA01319; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (194.217.242.39 -> finch-post-11.mail.demon.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:58:01 -0400 Received: from jzedward.demon.co.uk ([194.222.248.181] helo=pii-300) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1312d0-000EEK-0B; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:57:54 +0000 Reply-To: From: "John Edwards" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: [LTP] Issues installing SuSe 6.4 on a 600X Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 08:58:57 +0100 Message-ID: <000401bfd37b$0f20a8e0$0100a8c0@pii-300.jzedward.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFD383.70E510E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0.2000001268.712075706-212058698-960671915@topica.com> List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFD383.70E510E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have installed on a 600E with no problems; I do prefer using yast1, and if you can boot CD1 in Y2 then you should be able to boot CD2 with Y1 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Nicholson [mailto:robert@elastica.com] Sent: 10 June 2000 22:19 To: linux-thinkpad@topica.com; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: dbrady@serv.net Subject: [LTP] Issues installing SuSe 6.4 on a 600X Anybody managed to do this? I swear it does not work.. If you use YAST2 you will reboot after the first "session" completes properly and when it reboots you'll get a graphical installer that's full screen but cropped all around the outside so that you cannot press any buttons or see outside of the little "window"... NB: The redhat 6.2 graphical installer does this too. If you try a "manual" install you'll get to the point where you say "Start Installation" and it won't install any packages even if you've told it to do a "default" configuration.. It has CD 2: on the screen but it never "prompts" to insert it. Stuck big time. Curiously enough if I press CTRL (as per the manual) and put YAST2 in "text mode" it will do an "automatic install" Whatever that is. 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Anybody managed to do this? I swear it =
does not work..

If you use YAST2 you will reboot after the first "session" completes
properly and when it reboots you'll get a graphical installer that's =
full
screen but cropped all around the outside so that you cannot press any
buttons or see outside of the little "window"... NB: The redhat 6.2
graphical installer does this too.

If you try a "manual" install you'll get to the point where you say =
"Start
Installation" and it won't install any packages even if you've told it =
to do
a "default" configuration..

It has CD 2: on the screen but it never "prompts" to insert it.

Stuck big time.

Curiously enough if I press CTRL (as per the manual) and put YAST2 in =
"text
mode" it will do an "automatic install" Whatever that is. I didn't let =
it
complete as I fear that it might totally use the whole disk.



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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFD383.70E510E0-- From cph Sun Jun 11 19:27:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA12848 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:27:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28722; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:24:54 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28379; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:24:50 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id TAA27091 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25212; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.161 -> gtei2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:46:51 -0400 Received: from wald7 (adsl-141-155-112-122.bellatlantic.net [141.155.112.122]) by gtei2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA25541; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:46:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Randal Whittle" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Partition Magic & W2K/NTFS (and A20p impressions) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:50:12 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000611153829.009e94b0@127.0.0.1> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Randy, >>Did you run the W2K install from inside of W98, or from a DOS prompt, or by booting from the W2K install CD? I ask, because I don't remember it offering the Dual Boot option (although it did "dual boot", just into a separate partition, depending on which OS you choose to boot to).<< >From within Win98. I only had one partition so putting it into the same partition was the only possibility. -Bill From cph Sun Jun 11 19:38:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA12881 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:38:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29622; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:35:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29501; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29488; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:35:36 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-388.gate.net [199.227.173.134]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29874 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:35:34 -0400 Message-ID: <3944224C.9F64EA31@gate.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:35:40 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: 256meg DIMM's in the 770Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well, gentlemen.. so far, so good.. one 128meg and one 256meg in my 770Z are recognised and it boots up.. 448meg is reported by win98.. now to try TWO 256meg parts in the 770Z.. :-) -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Jun 11 19:43:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA12914 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:43:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00146; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:41:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29899; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29886; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:41:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16948; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:41:25 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:41:25 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Michael Geary , "David W. Taylor" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20p impressions and TBOOKS In-Reply-To: <39441E8E.FFDBDF3A@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: Heh, I was going through the links Mike gave me and it seems to imply that the A20P has 2 DIMM sockets but only one is user accessible. So there are 2 user accessible DIMM sockets on the A20P? 512MB would be nice except I doubt Win98 or ME will be able to use it efficiently since the system resources will probably run out way before then. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > not exactly sure what the question IS, BUT.. > the A20p supports two DIMM's.. > it comes with one 128meg DIMM installed.. > i have removed that one 128meg DIMM and replaced it with two 256meg DIMM's.. (just > testing these before shipping them to germany on monday, you understand!) > the machine boots and win98 shows all 512meg.. > this IS 100mhz memory, of course.. :-) > and, apparently, this supplier is getting these direct from IBM cheaper than they > could build them themselves, for now.. > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > > > > > > Sorry, Mike, the memory for the A20p is 100MHz and not 66MHz. > > > > > > Right, David, I think that's what I was saying. (I'm green with envy, too... > > > ) > > > > Heh, it better be since it would be weird to run around with a > > 66Mhz PIII Processor =P > > > > > > Hmm, but doesn't the 390X series, 770 series and i series all use > > > > the same memory? I rememeber they were listed together by the big mail > > > > order houses. > > > > > > Those TBOOKS are really helpful in sorting out this kind of stuff. Here's a > > > more complete list: > > > > > > ThinkPad A and T series: > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf > > > > > > ThinkPad I series (current models): > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tibook.pdf > > > > > > ThinkPad I series (withdrawn models): > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tiwbook.pdf > > > > > > ThinkPad numeric series (current models): > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tbook.pdf > > > > > > ThinkPad numeric series (withdrawn models): > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf > > > > > > If you don't have it already, you need Adobe Acrobat Reader to view these: > > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html > > > > Yeah, just checked those out. For people that have the A20P > > already, does it only have one user replaceable memory socket while the > > other is hidden somewhere? If you take out the memory that is user > > replaceable, would it be 128 mb still or 0? > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > From cph Sun Jun 11 20:00:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA12942 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:00:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01281; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:57:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01150; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01137; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:57:12 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-388.gate.net [199.227.173.134]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA163432; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:57:03 -0400 Message-ID: <39442755.51BDF58D@gate.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:57:09 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Michael Geary , "David W. Taylor" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20p impressions and TBOOKS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: well, ok, get THIS.. :-) my 770Z is now loaded up with 512meg..! somewhat over the IBM stated limit of 128+128+64 = 320meg + the video ram for a grand total of 328meg i tend to agree, the 770Z does not seem to know what to DO with all this memory..! you're correct, someplace it says that the second 256meg part needs to be installed by an IBM service shop.. no explanation as to why, but so far, the 512meg in my A20p all shows and seems to be all there.. having said that, PC doctor (on the A20p) has crashed several times on me, when changing the visable window of data.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > > Heh, I was going through the links Mike gave me and it seems to > imply that the A20P has 2 DIMM sockets but only one is user > accessible. So there are 2 user accessible DIMM sockets on the > A20P? 512MB would be nice except I doubt Win98 or ME will be able to use > it efficiently since the system resources will probably run out way before > then. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > not exactly sure what the question IS, BUT.. > > the A20p supports two DIMM's.. > > it comes with one 128meg DIMM installed.. > > i have removed that one 128meg DIMM and replaced it with two 256meg DIMM's.. (just > > testing these before shipping them to germany on monday, you understand!) > > the machine boots and win98 shows all 512meg.. > > this IS 100mhz memory, of course.. :-) > > and, apparently, this supplier is getting these direct from IBM cheaper than they > > could build them themselves, for now.. > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sorry, Mike, the memory for the A20p is 100MHz and not 66MHz. > > > > > > > > Right, David, I think that's what I was saying. (I'm green with envy, too... > > > > ) > > > > > > Heh, it better be since it would be weird to run around with a > > > 66Mhz PIII Processor =P > > > > > > > > Hmm, but doesn't the 390X series, 770 series and i series all use > > > > > the same memory? I rememeber they were listed together by the big mail > > > > > order houses. > > > > > > > > Those TBOOKS are really helpful in sorting out this kind of stuff. Here's a > > > > more complete list: > > > > > > > > ThinkPad A and T series: > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf > > > > > > > > ThinkPad I series (current models): > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tibook.pdf > > > > > > > > ThinkPad I series (withdrawn models): > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tiwbook.pdf > > > > > > > > ThinkPad numeric series (current models): > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tbook.pdf > > > > > > > > ThinkPad numeric series (withdrawn models): > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf > > > > > > > > If you don't have it already, you need Adobe Acrobat Reader to view these: > > > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html > > > > > > Yeah, just checked those out. For people that have the A20P > > > already, does it only have one user replaceable memory socket while the > > > other is hidden somewhere? If you take out the memory that is user > > > replaceable, would it be 128 mb still or 0? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > > > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > > -- > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Jun 11 20:09:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA12974 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:09:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01973; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:05:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01770; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01756; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:05:35 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-388.gate.net [199.227.173.134]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA66932 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:05:33 -0400 Message-ID: <39442953.8CCA4E42@gate.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:05:39 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: 512meg in the 770Z works Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well, it appears that 512meg in the 770Z works.. apparently the onboard 64megs goes away, to that same place the 8meg on the 760CD went when two 32meg DIMM's were installed.. i'm using two 256meg 100mhz DIMM's from goldenram... -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Jun 11 20:11:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA12982 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:11:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02299; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:09:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02161; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02148; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:08:59 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-388.gate.net [199.227.173.134]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA66970; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:08:56 -0400 Message-ID: <39442A1E.B4CFED37@gate.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:09:03 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Computer Guru CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 1420i Questions: References: <200006091121.HAA15556@my1.m-y.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jim.. not sure about the "hummm" but bright on battery is less bright than bright on AC power and both brights are more bright than my wife when on AC power.. :-) Computer Guru wrote: > Hello All, > > After allready sending my "i-series" Thinkpad back to EZ Serv once to > replace the defective USB Board, I have a few questions about the unit. > > 1) When on battery power, I can never get the screen as bright as it is > when using the AC Adapter... Why is this? It shows that is it set to Max. > Brightness, but it is just not as bright as when I use the AC. > > 2) When I put it into hibernation mode, I hear a loud humm until it enters > hibernation. Is this normal? > > Thanks, > Jim -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Jun 11 20:44:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA13087 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:44:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04192; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:42:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03990; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03977; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:42:44 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a35.pm3-16.theriver.com [208.164.96.147]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5881325C92; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:41:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39443262.E486EBCA@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:44:18 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "hagers@post.queensu.ca" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 385xd hard drive References: <394402A0.E33A66CE@post.queensu.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: These outfits are some that have hard drives... also check with Bill Morrow on this list... www.thinkpads.com www.insight.com many, many www.shopibm.com when they don't have it they refer you to igo.com www.computers4sure.com varies www.igo.com www.necx.com www.cdw.com www.pcconnection.com www.buycomp.com These guys are expensive... I would hope we could get everybody on this list to develop maybe 10 of the best online companies... with the hopes we can find better prices. From cph Sun Jun 11 20:46:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA13103 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:46:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04435; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:43:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04083; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04070; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:43:45 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA10712; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:43:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Vincent Poy" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: "David W. Taylor" , Subject: RE: A20p impressions and TBOOKS (memory) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:43:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: > Heh, I was going through the links Mike gave me and it seems to > imply that the A20P has 2 DIMM sockets but only one is user > accessible. So there are 2 user accessible DIMM sockets on the > A20P? 512MB would be nice except I doubt Win98 or ME will be able to use > it efficiently since the system resources will probably run out way before > then. This should be what you were looking at (from tabook.pdf): Memory 128MB standard / 512MB maximum (*) / SDRAM / non-parity / 100MHz / PC 100 / 3.3v / two 144-pin SO-DIMM sockets / 128MB in one socket / 1 socket available (*) Maximum memory varies depending on model and may require replacement of standard memory with optional maximum memory module. That's two user accessible sockets, with a 128Mb part preinstalled in one, and no memory on the system board. So if you want to stuff the machine with a pair of 256Mb's, you end up with a spare 128Mb memory part. Because of this, you need to buy a second A20p and put the spare 128Mb part in it, giving it 256Mb, which is plenty for a second machine. Otherwise you'd be wasting memory. -Mike From cph Sun Jun 11 21:12:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA13305 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:12:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06207; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:09:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06057; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06043; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:09:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17806; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:09:22 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:09:22 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Michael Geary , "David W. Taylor" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20p impressions and TBOOKS In-Reply-To: <39442755.51BDF58D@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > well, ok, get THIS.. :-) my 770Z is now loaded up with 512meg..! > somewhat over the IBM stated limit of 128+128+64 = 320meg + the video > ram for a grand total of 328meg i tend to agree, the 770Z does not > seem to know what to DO with all this memory..! Hehe, now that machine must totally kick! =) > you're correct, someplace it says that the second 256meg part needs to > be installed by an IBM service shop.. Yep, and when I went to Crucial, it seems to think that the A20P only has one socket but Mike and you said it was two and since you have hands on experience, that's what counts =) > no explanation as to why, but so far, the 512meg in my A20p all shows > and seems to be all there.. That's good to hear... > having said that, PC doctor (on the A20p) has crashed several times on > me, when changing the visable window of data.. Hmm, that's bad... Speaking about the A20P, does anyone have the one with the combo nic/56k modem yet? Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Heh, I was going through the links Mike gave me and it seems to > > imply that the A20P has 2 DIMM sockets but only one is user > > accessible. So there are 2 user accessible DIMM sockets on the > > A20P? 512MB would be nice except I doubt Win98 or ME will be able to use > > it efficiently since the system resources will probably run out way before > > then. > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > > > not exactly sure what the question IS, BUT.. > > > the A20p supports two DIMM's.. > > > it comes with one 128meg DIMM installed.. > > > i have removed that one 128meg DIMM and replaced it with two 256meg DIMM's.. (just > > > testing these before shipping them to germany on monday, you understand!) > > > the machine boots and win98 shows all 512meg.. > > > this IS 100mhz memory, of course.. :-) > > > and, apparently, this supplier is getting these direct from IBM cheaper than they > > > could build them themselves, for now.. > > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, Mike, the memory for the A20p is 100MHz and not 66MHz. > > > > > > > > > > Right, David, I think that's what I was saying. (I'm green with envy, too... > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > Heh, it better be since it would be weird to run around with a > > > > 66Mhz PIII Processor =P > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, but doesn't the 390X series, 770 series and i series all use > > > > > > the same memory? I rememeber they were listed together by the big mail > > > > > > order houses. > > > > > > > > > > Those TBOOKS are really helpful in sorting out this kind of stuff. Here's a > > > > > more complete list: > > > > > > > > > > ThinkPad A and T series: > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf > > > > > > > > > > ThinkPad I series (current models): > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tibook.pdf > > > > > > > > > > ThinkPad I series (withdrawn models): > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tiwbook.pdf > > > > > > > > > > ThinkPad numeric series (current models): > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tbook.pdf > > > > > > > > > > ThinkPad numeric series (withdrawn models): > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf > > > > > > > > > > If you don't have it already, you need Adobe Acrobat Reader to view these: > > > > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html > > > > > > > > Yeah, just checked those out. For people that have the A20P > > > > already, does it only have one user replaceable memory socket while the > > > > other is hidden somewhere? If you take out the memory that is user > > > > replaceable, would it be 128 mb still or 0? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > > > > -- > > > Happy trails... > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > From cph Sun Jun 11 21:13:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA13314 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:13:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06462; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:11:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06259; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06223; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:11:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17840; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:11:26 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:11:26 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Geary cc: Bill Morrow , "David W. Taylor" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: A20p impressions and TBOOKS (memory) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > Heh, I was going through the links Mike gave me and it seems to > > imply that the A20P has 2 DIMM sockets but only one is user > > accessible. So there are 2 user accessible DIMM sockets on the > > A20P? 512MB would be nice except I doubt Win98 or ME will be able to use > > it efficiently since the system resources will probably run out way before > > then. > > This should be what you were looking at (from tabook.pdf): Exactly... > Memory > 128MB standard / 512MB maximum (*) / SDRAM / non-parity / 100MHz / PC 100 / > 3.3v / two 144-pin SO-DIMM sockets / 128MB in one socket / 1 socket > available > > (*) Maximum memory varies depending on > model and may require replacement of > standard memory with optional > maximum memory module. > > That's two user accessible sockets, with a 128Mb part preinstalled in one, > and no memory on the system board. So if you want to stuff the machine with > a pair of 256Mb's, you end up with a spare 128Mb memory part. > > Because of this, you need to buy a second A20p and put the spare 128Mb part > in it, giving it 256Mb, which is plenty for a second machine. > > Otherwise you'd be wasting memory. True, before I saw your links, I was looking at what was on www.crucial.com for memory upgrades and under the A20P, this is what it says: Available upgrades for your system. Manufacturer IBM Model ThinkPad A20p Series (Type 2629) Maximum Memory 512MB Standard Memory 128MB removable Slots 1 (1 bank of 1) Notes The ThinkPad A20 contains two memory sockets, one of which can be upgraded by the user. The factory socket (standard memory) requires extensive disassembly and must be taken to an authorized service center to upgrade. Each socket supports up to 256MB. That was why I thought it had a total of two sockets and only one can be upgraded. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Sun Jun 11 21:30:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA13373 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:30:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07651; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:27:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07447; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07434; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (130.17.4.254 -> samsara.csustan.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:27:55 -0400 Received: (from steven@localhost) by samsara.csustan.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05072 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:33:20 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.4 on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <39441C58.8FE88059@gate.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Steven Filling Sender: steven@samsara.csustan.edu From: Steven Filling To: ThinkPad List Subject: RE: A20p and Redhat linux ver. 6.0 HELP! List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id VAA13374 On 11-Jun-2000 Bill Morrow extemporized: > Trying to get redhat 6.0 loaded on an A20p.. > can't get past the video card specs.. > not in the list in 6.0, naturally, and IBM is not forthcoming with > detailed specs for this display or the ATI chipset they use.. > so, if anyone has something to suggest here, i would appreciate > hearing/reading it.. :-) I'd appreciate that as well. I've been fiddling about with the various ati drivers, even loaded XFree 4.0 [which handles ATI Rage 128] but not much luck. I guess those folks who bought Dells have a reason to feel superior? TIA S. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Steven Filling Date: 12-Jun-2000 Time: 01:30:09 ---------------------------------- From cph Sun Jun 11 21:31:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA13378 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:31:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07855; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:29:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07574; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07559; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:29:17 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA15306; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:29:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Vincent Poy" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: Subject: RE: A20p impressions and TBOOKS Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:29:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: > Yep, and when I went to Crucial, it seems to think that the A20P > only has one socket but Mike and you said it was two and since you have > hands on experience, that's what counts =) Well, I was just quoting the TABOOK (and interpreting it--always dangerous!). Bill's the one who has real life experience with it, so he can let us know if there was anything special about the sockets. From cph Sun Jun 11 21:44:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA13420 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:44:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08902; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:42:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08739; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08724; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:41:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18117; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:41:59 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:41:59 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Geary cc: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: A20p impressions and TBOOKS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > Yep, and when I went to Crucial, it seems to think that the A20P > > only has one socket but Mike and you said it was two and since you have > > hands on experience, that's what counts =) > > Well, I was just quoting the TABOOK (and interpreting it--always > dangerous!). Bill's the one who has real life experience with it, so he can > let us know if there was anything special about the sockets. Yeah, that's true. If there is anyone, when Bill speaks, everyone listens... He's like the IBM TP Authority =) Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Sun Jun 11 21:56:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA13464 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:56:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09868; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:54:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09751; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09738; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:54:18 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA25169; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:54:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Bill Morrow" , Subject: Hard drive tray for A20p? Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:54:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: Hey Bill, Reading the other A20p messages, it reminded me to ask you about hard drive trays. Someone said it was like the 600 tray. Does a 600 tray actually work in the A20 series? Or do you have any idea how long it will be before you have A20 trays? And how about the T series--same trays as the A or different? I'm itching to upgrade to one of these machines, but not until I can get the same kind of hard drive swapping capability I've got with my 600's. Thanks! Mike From cph Sun Jun 11 22:02:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA13501 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:02:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10400; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:00:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10244; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout01.joymail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10231; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:00:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mailout01.joymail.com (209.133.47.60 -> mo01.joymail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:00:21 -0400 Received: from mo01.joymail.com (web01.joymail.com [209.133.47.18]) by mailout01.joymail.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA03321; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006120218.TAA03321@mailout01.joymail.com> To: M.o.davis@gte.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re: Thinkpad 770 to 770X - OS/2 4 Warp Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:51: 6 PST X-Mailer: Joymail v3.0 X-Mailer-Info: http://www.joymail.com List-Unsubscribe: I decided to try your last suggestion first - and got it right first time. Thanks a lot for your help and also thanks to ABallard for his reply. Wilson Yip Singapore >Return-Path: >Received: from mailgw.tigermail.com by nfs001.joymail.com (8.9.1b+Sun/SMI-SVR4) > id JAA03034; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:28:16 -0700 (PDT) >From: m.o.davis@gte.net >Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (smtppop1pub.gte.net [206.46.170.20]) > by mailgw.tigermail.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA63728 > for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:36:50 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from smtp.gte.net ([4.3.99.133]) > by smtppop1.gte.net with SMTP > ; id KAA22212 > Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:53:05 -0500 (CDT) >Message-Id: <200006101553.KAA22212@smtppop1.gte.net> >To: , Thinkpad List >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) >Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:54:08 >Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net >Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 to 770X - OS/2 4 Warp >Content-Length: 1664 > >Addressed to: > Thinkpad List > >** Reply to note from Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20: 5: 0 PST > > >> I have been using a 770 with OS/2 Warp 4 with FP12 with no problems. Recently >> I purchased a 770X with the 13.7" screen. As I did not wish to reinstall Warp >> 4 into the new computer I just switch the harddisk from the 770 to the 770X >> after verifying that that the drivers IBM supplied were the same. >> Unfortunately the 770X would hang on the WPS a few minutes after loading >> although the time before hanging would be sufficient to make any adjustments >> required to accomodate the 770x. >> >> Any suggestions as to what I should do would be welcomed. > >The first thing I would try would be to boot from floppies and edit >CONFIG.SYS, adding the line > >SET RESTARTOBJECTS=NO > >and removing WARPCENTER from the AUTOSTART line. If you already have a >RESTARTOBJECTS line, be sure to REM it out. > >On the subsequent boot, if it boots all the way, edit CONFIG.SYS so it reads > >SET RESTARTOBJECTS=STARTUPFOLDERSONLY > >and add a shadow of Warpcenter to the Startup folder. Note that Warpcenter has >to be running for you to be able to create a shadow of it. > >If the WPS hangs on the next boot, then you will need to clean out your >Startup folder and add things back one by one until you find which program is >hanging the machine. > >If you are unable to boot after editing CONFIG.SYS as suggested, try reverting >to VGA at boot time (Alt-F1 at the "boot blob", at >the recovery menu) then reinstalling the video drivers. > >Mark in San Angelo >m.o.davis@gte.net >06/10/00, 10:54:05 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Get your FREE email at http://www.joymail.com VoiceMail over the Internet and Sending email by a regular phone: http://firstgate.joymail.com From cph Sun Jun 11 23:31:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA13808 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:31:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26817; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:27:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24456; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24439; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (130.17.4.254 -> samsara.csustan.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:27:49 -0400 Received: (from steven@localhost) by samsara.csustan.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05127 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:33:13 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.4 on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Steven Filling Sender: steven@samsara.csustan.edu From: Steven Filling To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: linux and A20Ps List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id XAA13809 Bill and others - Maybe there is some hope for X on the A20? "IBM to sell laptops with Linux OS" http://www.sjmercury.com/svtech/news/breaking/ap/docs/86226l.htm HTH S. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Steven Filling Date: 12-Jun-2000 Time: 03:30:14 ---------------------------------- From cph Mon Jun 12 00:15:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA14035 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:15:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19127; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:13:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18586; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18573; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:13:28 -0400 Received: from rexramos (user-33qsd17.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.52.39]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA24035 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012101bfd424$ebdb9250$2734aec7@rexramos> From: "Rex Ramos" To: References: <39442953.8CCA4E42@gate.net> Subject: Sources for 770Z Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:16:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: I am looking for a new or lightly used Thinkpad 770Z from a reputable source. Any suggestions? From cph Mon Jun 12 00:58:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA14194 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:58:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08521; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:55:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08301; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08287; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:55:34 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA15438; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:55:32 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA19203; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000611215355.00a97130@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:55:24 -0700 To: "Michael Geary" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Hard drive tray for A20p? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 06:54 PM 6/11/00 -0700, you wrote: >Reading the other A20p messages, it reminded me to ask you about hard drive >trays. Someone said it was like the 600 tray. Does a 600 tray actually work >in the A20 series? Or do you have any idea how long it will be before you >have A20 trays? And how about the T series--same trays as the A or >different? > >I'm itching to upgrade to one of these machines, but not until I can get the >same kind of hard drive swapping capability I've got with my 600's. If the A20 is anything like the T20, then it doesn't even use a tray. The T20 has a "clip" in the form of part of the plastic casing that just sort of attaches to 2 screws on either side of the drive, and then you insert it. No special tray required (or even helpful). From cph Mon Jun 12 00:59:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA14198 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:59:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08696; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:56:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08389; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08376; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:56:40 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-77.gate.net [199.227.20.140]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30630; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:56:36 -0400 Message-ID: <394469ED.AE742A59@gate.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:41:18 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rex Ramos CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Sources for 770Z References: <39442953.8CCA4E42@gate.net> <012101bfd424$ebdb9250$2734aec7@rexramos> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: while i am reluctant to sell my 770Z i must consider doing so.. so, please, make an offer.. it is the 8AU model in perfect condition and would arrive the same as when it left the factory.. Rex Ramos wrote: > I am looking for a new or lightly used Thinkpad 770Z from a reputable > source. Any suggestions? -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Jun 12 01:18:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA14266 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:18:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12768; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:15:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11391; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11350; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:15:56 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA24952; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:15:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Subject: RE: Hard drive tray for A20p? Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:15:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000611215355.00a97130@127.0.0.1> List-Unsubscribe: > If the A20 is anything like the T20, then it doesn't even use a > tray. The T20 has a "clip" in the form of part of the plastic casing that > just sort of attaches to 2 screws on either side of the drive, and then you > insert it. No special tray required (or even helpful). Interesting, thanks. Even if it's just a plastic clip, as long as it's screwed on to the drive, I'd probably rather have extra ones so I can swap drives without having to move this clip from drive to drive. I'd also like to find out how the second HDD adapter for the Ultrabay 2000 is set up--if it expects the drive to have this clip attached, then I would definitely want extra clips. -Mike From cph Mon Jun 12 01:25:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA14283 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:25:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14491; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:22:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14015; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13992; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:22:18 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-77.gate.net [199.227.20.140]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA40878 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:22:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3944738F.C80B9E69@gate.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:22:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hard drive tray for A20p? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mike.. same little bracket as the 570 & 600 series.. except without the blue (or white in my case) tape.. same ability to swap from ultrabay to drive bay.. >from what i have seen, the bracket is used to space the drive side to side, very slightly.. also, the ones i sell will retain the tape so the drive can be removed and replaced without using the plastic bezel.. Michael Geary wrote: > Hey Bill, > > Reading the other A20p messages, it reminded me to ask you about hard drive > trays. Someone said it was like the 600 tray. Does a 600 tray actually work > in the A20 series? Or do you have any idea how long it will be before you > have A20 trays? And how about the T series--same trays as the A or > different? > > I'm itching to upgrade to one of these machines, but not until I can get the > same kind of hard drive swapping capability I've got with my 600's. > > Thanks! > > Mike -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Jun 12 01:29:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA14297 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:29:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16199; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:26:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15561; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15542; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:26:51 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-77.gate.net [199.227.20.140]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA150218; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:26:47 -0400 Message-ID: <3944749D.339E24EE@gate.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:26:53 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: Re: Hard drive tray for A20p? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i'm supposed to get some of the 2nd HDD adapters on monday.. more info then.. the plastic bezel used as a handle 'snaps' over the screw heads used to hold the HDD to the metal bracket.. its workable, but i wonder what if the plastic ears break.. ? :-) Michael Geary wrote: > > If the A20 is anything like the T20, then it doesn't even use a > > tray. The T20 has a "clip" in the form of part of the plastic casing that > > just sort of attaches to 2 screws on either side of the drive, and then > you > > insert it. No special tray required (or even helpful). > > Interesting, thanks. Even if it's just a plastic clip, as long as it's > screwed on to the drive, I'd probably rather have extra ones so I can swap > drives without having to move this clip from drive to drive. > > I'd also like to find out how the second HDD adapter for the Ultrabay 2000 > is set up--if it expects the drive to have this clip attached, then I would > definitely want extra clips. > > -Mike -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Jun 12 01:35:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA14314 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:35:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18113; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:32:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17522; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17500; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:32:41 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-77.gate.net [199.227.20.140]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA176020; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:32:31 -0400 Message-ID: <394475F5.9DB9AE09@gate.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:32:38 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Michael Geary , "David W. Taylor" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20p impressions and TBOOKS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > well, ok, get THIS.. :-) my 770Z is now loaded up with 512meg..! > > somewhat over the IBM stated limit of 128+128+64 = 320meg + the video > > ram for a grand total of 328meg i tend to agree, the 770Z does not > > seem to know what to DO with all this memory..! > > Hehe, now that machine must totally kick! =) > did not do much since i must send that memory out monday.. but FWIW, i saw no difference over its normal 196megs (i sold all the 128meg parts i have).. but i only booted it up a few times.. and looked at control panel/system.. > > > you're correct, someplace it says that the second 256meg part needs to > > be installed by an IBM service shop.. > > Yep, and when I went to Crucial, it seems to think that the A20P > only has one socket but Mike and you said it was two and since you have > hands on experience, that's what counts =) shows how much THEY know.. birger took some pictures of the memory 'bay', and you can clearly see both DIMM sockets, i believe.. > > > > no explanation as to why, but so far, the 512meg in my A20p all shows > > and seems to be all there.. > > That's good to hear... > > > having said that, PC doctor (on the A20p) has crashed several times on > > me, when changing the visable window of data.. > > Hmm, that's bad... Speaking about the A20P, does anyone have the > one with the combo nic/56k modem yet? > FWIW, every PC Doctor type of applet suite always crashes the system.. Norton, Nuts & Bolts and now PC Doctor.. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > Heh, I was going through the links Mike gave me and it seems to > > > imply that the A20P has 2 DIMM sockets but only one is user > > > accessible. So there are 2 user accessible DIMM sockets on the > > > A20P? 512MB would be nice except I doubt Win98 or ME will be able to use > > > it efficiently since the system resources will probably run out way before > > > then. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > > > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > > > > > not exactly sure what the question IS, BUT.. > > > > the A20p supports two DIMM's.. > > > > it comes with one 128meg DIMM installed.. > > > > i have removed that one 128meg DIMM and replaced it with two 256meg DIMM's.. (just > > > > testing these before shipping them to germany on monday, you understand!) > > > > the machine boots and win98 shows all 512meg.. > > > > this IS 100mhz memory, of course.. :-) > > > > and, apparently, this supplier is getting these direct from IBM cheaper than they > > > > could build them themselves, for now.. > > > > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, Mike, the memory for the A20p is 100MHz and not 66MHz. > > > > > > > > > > > > Right, David, I think that's what I was saying. (I'm green with envy, too... > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > Heh, it better be since it would be weird to run around with a > > > > > 66Mhz PIII Processor =P > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, but doesn't the 390X series, 770 series and i series all use > > > > > > > the same memory? I rememeber they were listed together by the big mail > > > > > > > order houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those TBOOKS are really helpful in sorting out this kind of stuff. Here's a > > > > > > more complete list: > > > > > > > > > > > > ThinkPad A and T series: > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > ThinkPad I series (current models): > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tibook.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > ThinkPad I series (withdrawn models): > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tiwbook.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > ThinkPad numeric series (current models): > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tbook.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > ThinkPad numeric series (withdrawn models): > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't have it already, you need Adobe Acrobat Reader to view these: > > > > > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, just checked those out. For people that have the A20P > > > > > already, does it only have one user replaceable memory socket while the > > > > > other is hidden somewhere? If you take out the memory that is user > > > > > replaceable, would it be 128 mb still or 0? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Happy trails... > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Jun 12 01:42:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA14334 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:42:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20299; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:40:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19808; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19791; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:40:06 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-77.gate.net [199.227.20.140]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17708; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:39:58 -0400 Message-ID: <394477B5.806584A9@gate.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:40:05 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: Vincent Poy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20p impressions and TBOOKS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: nothing i can see, so far, that tells me NOT to use two 256meg parts.. so far, it all works.. now i should mention that these 256meg parts came from IBM via one of my memory vendors.. and they are strange appearing ram chips.. they have a groove traversing the middle of each chip.. Michael Geary wrote: > > Yep, and when I went to Crucial, it seems to think that the A20P > > only has one socket but Mike and you said it was two and since you have > > hands on experience, that's what counts =) > > Well, I was just quoting the TABOOK (and interpreting it--always > dangerous!). Bill's the one who has real life experience with it, so he can > let us know if there was anything special about the sockets. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Jun 12 01:45:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA14346 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:45:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21131; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:42:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20733; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20714; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:42:43 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-77.gate.net [199.227.20.140]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA84584; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:42:37 -0400 Message-ID: <39447853.90FF439D@gate.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:42:43 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Michael Geary , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20p impressions and TBOOKS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > > > Yep, and when I went to Crucial, it seems to think that the A20P > > > only has one socket but Mike and you said it was two and since you have > > > hands on experience, that's what counts =) > > > > Well, I was just quoting the TABOOK (and interpreting it--always > > dangerous!). Bill's the one who has real life experience with it, so he can > > let us know if there was anything special about the sockets. > > Yeah, that's true. If there is anyone, when Bill speaks, everyone > listens... He's like the IBM TP Authority =) > NONONO.. don't put THAT mantle on me... i only say what i can see.. with my own eyeballs.. else i say "i have been told" or something similar.. i have pics i'll post on my site if anyone wishes.. shows the memory count on the display.. 512meg.. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Jun 12 02:19:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA14424 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:19:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27964; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:15:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27676; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27663; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:15:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21318; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:15:52 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:15:52 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Michael Geary , "David W. Taylor" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20p impressions and TBOOKS In-Reply-To: <394475F5.9DB9AE09@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: Bill... > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > well, ok, get THIS.. :-) my 770Z is now loaded up with 512meg..! > > > somewhat over the IBM stated limit of 128+128+64 = 320meg + the video > > > ram for a grand total of 328meg i tend to agree, the 770Z does not > > > seem to know what to DO with all this memory..! > > > > Hehe, now that machine must totally kick! =) > > did not do much since i must send that memory out monday.. but FWIW, i > saw no difference over its normal 196megs (i sold all the 128meg parts > i have).. I don't think it makes a big difference until you really like stress test the machine since it has to have a pretty big load. Just like with Linux/FreeBSD machines, 64 megs is adequate and after 128 megs, you don't really see much of a difference. > but i only booted it up a few times.. and looked at control panel/system.. > > > > you're correct, someplace it says that the second 256meg part needs to > > > be installed by an IBM service shop.. > > > > Yep, and when I went to Crucial, it seems to think that the A20P > > only has one socket but Mike and you said it was two and since you have > > hands on experience, that's what counts =) > > shows how much THEY know.. birger took some pictures of the memory > 'bay', and you can clearly see both DIMM sockets, i believe.. Yep, because if it was only one socket, I would have to wonder how one can get to 512megs unless someone made a 384 meg dimm. > > > no explanation as to why, but so far, the 512meg in my A20p all shows > > > and seems to be all there.. > > > > That's good to hear... > > > > > having said that, PC doctor (on the A20p) has crashed several times on > > > me, when changing the visable window of data.. > > > > Hmm, that's bad... Speaking about the A20P, does anyone have the > > one with the combo nic/56k modem yet? > > FWIW, every PC Doctor type of applet suite always crashes the system.. > Norton, Nuts & Bolts and now PC Doctor.. Wow, pretty interesting.. Maybe a new bios is in order. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > > Heh, I was going through the links Mike gave me and it seems to > > > > imply that the A20P has 2 DIMM sockets but only one is user > > > > accessible. So there are 2 user accessible DIMM sockets on the > > > > A20P? 512MB would be nice except I doubt Win98 or ME will be able to use > > > > it efficiently since the system resources will probably run out way before > > > > then. > > > > > > > > > not exactly sure what the question IS, BUT.. > > > > > the A20p supports two DIMM's.. > > > > > it comes with one 128meg DIMM installed.. > > > > > i have removed that one 128meg DIMM and replaced it with two 256meg DIMM's.. (just > > > > > testing these before shipping them to germany on monday, you understand!) > > > > > the machine boots and win98 shows all 512meg.. > > > > > this IS 100mhz memory, of course.. :-) > > > > > and, apparently, this supplier is getting these direct from IBM cheaper than they > > > > > could build them themselves, for now.. > > > > > > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, Mike, the memory for the A20p is 100MHz and not 66MHz. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right, David, I think that's what I was saying. (I'm green with envy, too... > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Heh, it better be since it would be weird to run around with a > > > > > > 66Mhz PIII Processor =P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, but doesn't the 390X series, 770 series and i series all use > > > > > > > > the same memory? I rememeber they were listed together by the big mail > > > > > > > > order houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those TBOOKS are really helpful in sorting out this kind of stuff. Here's a > > > > > > > more complete list: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ThinkPad A and T series: > > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ThinkPad I series (current models): > > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tibook.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ThinkPad I series (withdrawn models): > > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tiwbook.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ThinkPad numeric series (current models): > > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tbook.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ThinkPad numeric series (withdrawn models): > > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't have it already, you need Adobe Acrobat Reader to view these: > > > > > > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, just checked those out. For people that have the A20P > > > > > > already, does it only have one user replaceable memory socket while the > > > > > > other is hidden somewhere? If you take out the memory that is user > > > > > > replaceable, would it be 128 mb still or 0? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > > > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > > > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Happy trails... > > > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Happy trails... > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > From cph Mon Jun 12 02:19:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA14428 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:19:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28135; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:16:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27802; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27782; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:16:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21332; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:16:38 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:16:38 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Michael Geary , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20p impressions and TBOOKS In-Reply-To: <394477B5.806584A9@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: Bill... Are the chips actually made by IBM or is it another make? Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > nothing i can see, so far, that tells me NOT to use two 256meg parts.. > so far, it all works.. > > now i should mention that these 256meg parts came from IBM via one of my memory > vendors.. > and they are strange appearing ram chips.. they have a groove traversing the > middle of each chip.. > > Michael Geary wrote: > > > > Yep, and when I went to Crucial, it seems to think that the A20P > > > only has one socket but Mike and you said it was two and since you have > > > hands on experience, that's what counts =) > > > > Well, I was just quoting the TABOOK (and interpreting it--always > > dangerous!). Bill's the one who has real life experience with it, so he can > > let us know if there was anything special about the sockets. > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > From cph Mon Jun 12 02:20:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA14439 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:20:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28370; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:18:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28026; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28011; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:17:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21354; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:18:00 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:18:00 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Michael Geary , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20p impressions and TBOOKS In-Reply-To: <39447853.90FF439D@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: Bill.. > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > > > > > Yep, and when I went to Crucial, it seems to think that the A20P > > > > only has one socket but Mike and you said it was two and since you have > > > > hands on experience, that's what counts =) > > > > > > Well, I was just quoting the TABOOK (and interpreting it--always > > > dangerous!). Bill's the one who has real life experience with it, so he can > > > let us know if there was anything special about the sockets. > > > > Yeah, that's true. If there is anyone, when Bill speaks, everyone > > listens... He's like the IBM TP Authority =) > > NONONO.. > don't put THAT mantle on me... > i only say what i can see.. with my own eyeballs.. else i say "i have been told" > or something similar.. > i have pics i'll post on my site if anyone wishes.. > shows the memory count on the display.. 512meg.. Okay, maybe I was overdoing it but I mean you're one of like the handful of people who gives good information as regards to the TP's. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Mon Jun 12 02:32:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA14458 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:32:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29255; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:29:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29114; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29101; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:29:49 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA03928; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:29:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: Subject: RE: A20p impressions and TBOOKS Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:29:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: > I don't think it makes a big difference until you really like > stress test the machine since it has to have a pretty big load. Just like > with Linux/FreeBSD machines, 64 megs is adequate and after 128 megs, you > don't really see much of a difference. It all depends on how much stuff you like to run at once and how much memory those apps use. I often run a few dozen apps at once under Windows 2000, including one or more VMware virtual machines with other OSes running inside them. Doing this kind of work, I notice a big difference between, say, 128Mb and the 288Mb I'm running in the 600E right now. But that's not surprising considering those virtual machines might use anywhere from 48Mb on up, depending on how they are configured. -Mike From cph Mon Jun 12 02:38:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA14463 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:38:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29740; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:35:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29565; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29551; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:35:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21567; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:35:47 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:35:47 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Geary cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: A20p impressions and TBOOKS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > I don't think it makes a big difference until you really like > > stress test the machine since it has to have a pretty big load. Just like > > with Linux/FreeBSD machines, 64 megs is adequate and after 128 megs, you > > don't really see much of a difference. > > It all depends on how much stuff you like to run at once and how much memory > those apps use. I often run a few dozen apps at once under Windows 2000, > including one or more VMware virtual machines with other OSes running inside > them. Doing this kind of work, I notice a big difference between, say, 128Mb > and the 288Mb I'm running in the 600E right now. But that's not surprising > considering those virtual machines might use anywhere from 48Mb on up, > depending on how they are configured. That's true. I guess with NT or Win2K, more memory is better since the virtual memory subsystem in Windows isn't that great, it will never use more than 80% of your physical memory before the vram comes in... Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Mon Jun 12 02:53:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA14500 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:53:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00995; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:50:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00818; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00805; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:50:19 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA06541; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:50:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: Subject: RE: A20p impressions and TBOOKS Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:50:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: > That's true. I guess with NT or Win2K, more memory is better > since the virtual memory subsystem in Windows isn't that great, it will > never use more than 80% of your physical memory before the vram comes > in... If you run huge apps like I do, you're going to need a lot of memory whatever OS you're running. Suppose I were running Linux on this machine. I'd still be using VMware and running guest OSes under it with 48Mb, 96Mb or more assigned to the guest OS. Whatever the OS on the physical machine, it's hard to get around the fact that you need lots of physical memory to do this and have it be reasonably zippy. -Mike From cph Mon Jun 12 03:03:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA14533 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:03:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA01820; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:00:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA01519; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA01500; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:00:16 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-77.gate.net [199.227.20.140]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA81870; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:00:05 -0400 Message-ID: <39448A7B.8CC0786E@gate.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:00:11 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Michael Geary , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20p impressions and TBOOKS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: they are KINGMAX chips..!!?? surface mount of the type that you can not see the feet.. i suppose i'll have to take a pic of these and post it as well as the memory bay.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > > Bill... > > Are the chips actually made by IBM or is it another make? > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > **SNIP** -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Jun 12 03:22:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA14567 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:22:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04122; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:19:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03816; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03803; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:19:24 -0400 Received: from athe530-e189.otenet.gr (athe530-e189.otenet.gr [212.205.247.189]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e5C7I6Y05605 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:18:06 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200006120718.e5C7I6Y05605@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:17:12 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: car? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id DAA04122 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA14569 Is it possible to connect the input power of my ThinkPad to a car? I've seen mobiles that connect to where the lighter of the car is, but is there a cable to connect a ThinkPad there? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Jun 12 03:22:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA14568 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:22:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04115; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:18:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03754; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03741; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:18:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22042; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:18:58 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:18:58 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Geary cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: A20p impressions and TBOOKS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > That's true. I guess with NT or Win2K, more memory is better > > since the virtual memory subsystem in Windows isn't that great, it will > > never use more than 80% of your physical memory before the vram comes > > in... > > If you run huge apps like I do, you're going to need a lot of memory > whatever OS you're running. Suppose I were running Linux on this machine. > I'd still be using VMware and running guest OSes under it with 48Mb, 96Mb or > more assigned to the guest OS. Whatever the OS on the physical machine, it's > hard to get around the fact that you need lots of physical memory to do this > and have it be reasonably zippy. Good point but 128 megs is alot on a *nix machine... We have 2000 users all compiling at the same time which is more than what you would use and it's still wprking efficiently. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Mon Jun 12 03:23:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA14574 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:23:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04406; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:20:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03946; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03907; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:20:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22074; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:20:26 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:20:26 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Michael Geary , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20p impressions and TBOOKS In-Reply-To: <39448A7B.8CC0786E@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: That's one brand I've never seen before... Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > they are KINGMAX chips..!!?? > surface mount of the type that you can not see the feet.. > i suppose i'll have to take a pic of these and post it as well as the > memory bay.. > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Bill... > > > > Are the chips actually made by IBM or is it another make? > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > > **SNIP** > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > From cph Mon Jun 12 04:06:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA14686 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:06:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09484; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:03:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09178; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09164; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:03:35 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-77.gate.net [199.227.20.140]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA83646; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:03:25 -0400 Message-ID: <39449953.FB9EAED1@gate.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:03:31 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Michael Geary , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20p impressions and TBOOKS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'll take a pic and post it on my site.. :-) tomorrow, as its 4am now..! Vincent Poy wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > > That's one brand I've never seen before... > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > they are KINGMAX chips..!!?? > > surface mount of the type that you can not see the feet.. > > i suppose i'll have to take a pic of these and post it as well as the > > memory bay.. > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > Bill... > > > > > > Are the chips actually made by IBM or is it another make? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > > > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > > > > > **SNIP** > > -- > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Jun 12 04:15:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA14725 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:15:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10443; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:12:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10198; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10185; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:12:14 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-77.gate.net [199.227.20.140]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA23536; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:12:03 -0400 Message-ID: <39449B59.9659915A@gate.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:12:09 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: car? References: <200006120718.e5C7I6Y05605@athserv.otenet.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id EAA10443 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA14726 cat a car adapter.. takes the 12VDC and hands you 14 or 16 VDC.. Extend Micro makes them.. "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." wrote: > Is it possible to connect the input power of my ThinkPad to > a car? I've seen mobiles that connect to where the lighter of the car > is, but is there a cable to connect a ThinkPad there? > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Jun 12 04:29:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA14770 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:29:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11920; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:25:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11656; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11639; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:25:35 -0400 Received: from athe530-e189.otenet.gr (sehh@athe530-e189.otenet.gr [212.205.247.189]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e5C8OZY22624 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:24:35 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200006120824.e5C8OZY22624@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:23:40 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <39449B59.9659915A@gate.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: car? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id EAA11920 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA14771 On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:12:09 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >cat a car adapter.. >takes the 12VDC and hands you 14 or 16 VDC.. >Extend Micro makes them.. Since i dont live in the US, does this 'Extend Micro' have a website and can post to Europe? Thanks. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Jun 12 05:03:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA14929 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 05:03:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14239; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 05:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 05:00:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14097; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 05:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rrds.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14084; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 05:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rrds.co.uk (194.128.85.3 -> mail.rdel.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 05:00:24 -0400 Received: from rdel.co.uk (unverified) by mail.rrds.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:00:25 +0100 Received: by rdel.co.uk id JAA02102 ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:00:17 GMT Received: by ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BFD455.03B3D8D0@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:00:18 +0100 Message-Id: <01BFD455.03B3D8D0@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk> From: Darren Kennedy To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: [TP760CD] boot hangs with hd connected Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:00:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Allan, Its a bit more complicated than that unfortunately. The problem is that with the hard disk plugged in, it won't boot from either the floppy or the HD. All that happens is that the floppy drive whirrs for ever with the light on and it makes no attempt to load an OS from the diskette. If I detach the HD it happily loads the OS from diskette. My impression is that having created two partitions on the hard drive in the manner described upsets the machine somewhat and it won't just ignore the disk and load from floppy first. I'm currently awaiting a 2.5" - 3.5" drive adapter to connect the HD to my desktop machine (not IBM - sorry). I can then get the drive formatted and transfer back to the thinkpad. Well thats the plan anyway. By the way has anyone loaded linux-mandrake (redhat) on a 760CD ? Darren Kennedy. -----Original Message----- From: Allan Ballard [SMTP:aballard@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 12:59 PM To: Darren Kennedy; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP760CD] boot hangs with hd connected It's been a long time, but from your DOS disk, A:\Format C:\ sys copy a:\ *.* c:\ On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:54:36 +0100, Darren Kennedy wrote: >Hi, > >I have a strange problem with my TP760CD which I hope someone call help >me with. Yesterday I fdisk'd my hard drive into two partitions, one primary and >a second extended partition. Part of the disk was left unformatted. (good reasons !) >The primary partition was formatted. > >When I came to reboot from floppy the thinkpad does the POST, displaying the logo >and amount of memory, but then sits there with the floppy whirring for ever. If >I remove the hard disk it will boot from floppy ok. > >I have reset the machine to defaults in easy setup, removed the hard drive from the >boot sequence, tested the hard drive in the eay setup advanced tests etc, all to >no avail. > >Any ideas on how to recover? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Darren Kennedy >Unix Sys Admin / Programmer. >Racal Defence Electronics Ltd. >Crawley, England. From cph Mon Jun 12 07:07:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA15395 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:07:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29627; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:02:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29299; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29286; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (198.4.92.1 -> drawbridge.ascend.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:02:28 -0400 Received: from fw-ext.ascend.com (fw-ext [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA03705; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from russet.ascend.com by fw-ext.ascend.com via smtpd (for drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) with SMTP; 12 Jun 2000 11:02:27 UT Received: from porky (porky.ascend.com [192.207.23.83]) by russet.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA17902; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000612064618.027c25c0@alpo.casc.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:02:09 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Andrew G. Malis" Subject: T20 Win2K Antivirus SW? Cc: amalis@mail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I'm very patiently waiting for my T20 w/Win2K (2647-84U) to arrive from IBM. Meanwhile, having had zero experience with Win2K, I thought I would ask for a recommendation for the "best" Win2K antivirus SW. I'm currently using Network Associates (McAfee) VirusScan on my TP 600 running NT 4.0, and I'm unhappy enough with it to look elsewhere for my new machine. It occasionally starts eating up all of the processor, and can't be killed from the task manager - I have to reboot to recover. Anyway, any and all recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Andy From cph Mon Jun 12 08:34:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA15702 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:34:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17687; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:27:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16434; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16412; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:27:45 -0400 Received: by mail.hillsdale.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:23:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1632D5B5B556D3119C4600104B27E4D50EEDBC@mail.hillsdale.edu> From: Netadmin To: "Thinkpad List (E-mail)" Subject: Win2k & TP 770ED - Suspend/Hibernation Problems Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:23:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Okay, I imagine this question has already been asked, but I haven't been reading the list for a while... I cannot get my TP 770ED with Win2k into suspend mode without the display staying turned off once I turn the machine back "on." The hard drive and other peripherals seem to start up, but the screen will not come on regardless of what keys I press (even Fn+F7). I have the computer sometimes set up on a network and other times stand-alone. I am also running the latest BIOS and MPEG drivers. Other than that, I did not install any other drivers, as it did not seem required. I don't know if that would make a difference. Any help would be much appreciated! Regards, SNF From cph Mon Jun 12 08:49:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA15757 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:49:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22180; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:44:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21214; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21194; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:44:50 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([32.100.117.80]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000061212441525200k6akde>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:44:15 +0000 From: "David Lee" To: Subject: Why again is my C: drive FAT16? Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:43:17 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I heard the reason before but I was wondering if any harm would happen if I convert my thinkpad 600X C: drive from FAT16 to FAT32. From cph Mon Jun 12 08:54:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA15771 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:54:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23827; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:49:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22871; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22851; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:49:53 -0400 Received: from wald7 (adsl-141-155-112-170.bellatlantic.net [141.155.112.170]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA26911 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:49:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: Subject: RE: T20 Win2K Antivirus SW? Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:53:12 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000612064618.027c25c0@alpo.casc.com> List-Unsubscribe: NAV 2000 works well with W2K. Frequent updates. Not aware of a lot of overhead. although NORTON programs have a reputation for being resource hungry. I also recommend Diskeeper for defragmenting. It's a sweet program. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:amalis@mail.com] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 7:02 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: amalis@mail.com Subject: T20 Win2K Antivirus SW? I'm very patiently waiting for my T20 w/Win2K (2647-84U) to arrive from IBM. Meanwhile, having had zero experience with Win2K, I thought I would ask for a recommendation for the "best" Win2K antivirus SW. I'm currently using Network Associates (McAfee) VirusScan on my TP 600 running NT 4.0, and I'm unhappy enough with it to look elsewhere for my new machine. It occasionally starts eating up all of the processor, and can't be killed from the task manager - I have to reboot to recover. Anyway, any and all recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Andy From cph Mon Jun 12 11:20:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA16799 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:20:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06656; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:16:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05944; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05927; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:16:36 -0400 Received: from [216.59.0.202] (216.59.0.202) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.1.034) id 393FDA1F000D86C9 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:15:42 -0700 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:15:26 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: linux and A20Ps List-Unsubscribe: >"IBM to sell laptops with Linux OS" >http://www.sjmercury.com/svtech/news/breaking/ap/docs/86226l.htm The distribution that IBM will be using is Caldera OpenLinux eDesktop 2.4. I've installed this distribution on a desktop, and it was pretty effortless to install. The manual even has specific information about how to install on laptops. I suggest that anyone who is contemplating installing Linux on a Thinkpad try OpenLinux. --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! When a Windows PC says "I love you," you know it MEANS it. Go Linux/FreeBSD! Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Mon Jun 12 13:00:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA17627 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:00:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05078; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:51:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04136; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04117; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:51:27 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.217.6]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000612160950.OTUQ2120.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:09:50 +0000 Message-ID: <39450AE8.2CAFE2F2@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:08:08 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Andrew G. Malis" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 Win2K Antivirus SW? References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000612064618.027c25c0@alpo.casc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Norton ANTIvirus 2000 VER 6.0 works well for me. Birger From cph Mon Jun 12 14:57:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA18724 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:57:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15821; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:50:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15189; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15174; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:50:33 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA11889; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:50:27 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001d01bfd49f$4396ad20$f162183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "Andrew G. Malis" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000612064618.027c25c0@alpo.casc.com> Subject: Re: T20 Win2K Antivirus SW? Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:51:45 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: There's always F-Prot/F-Stop from Frisk software; it has the advantage of being DOS-based (even the bits that check for Windows and macro virii) so is never a resource problem. Used to be free, I think they're now charging a bit for the optional windows-resident module. www.complex.is, and every Simtel mirror. I don;t know how it stacks up detection-wise; since I've been using it I've only found one virus (a macro virus in a Word doc/letter from a director at a large federal nuclear laboratory: scary!) - David From cph Mon Jun 12 15:27:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA18997 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:27:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18106; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:25:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17924; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17911; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:25:30 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-169.gate.net [199.227.20.232]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA74278; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:25:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3945392A.11C5479E@gate.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:25:31 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Andrew G. Malis" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 Win2K Antivirus SW? References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000612064618.027c25c0@alpo.casc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: you're other choice is norton, which does unkind things as well.. i would retain whatever IBM supplies with the T series.. too bad symantec bought up IBM's AV app.. "Andrew G. Malis" wrote: > I'm very patiently waiting for my T20 w/Win2K (2647-84U) to arrive from IBM. > > Meanwhile, having had zero experience with Win2K, I thought I would ask for > a recommendation for the "best" Win2K antivirus SW. > > I'm currently using Network Associates (McAfee) VirusScan on my TP 600 > running NT 4.0, and I'm unhappy enough with it to look elsewhere for my new > machine. It occasionally starts eating up all of the processor, and can't > be killed from the task manager - I have to reboot to recover. > > Anyway, any and all recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Andy -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Jun 12 16:06:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA19304 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:06:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21460; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:02:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21154; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21136; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:02:54 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-169.gate.net [199.227.20.232]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA60034; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:02:49 -0400 Message-ID: <394541EF.D25E386A@gate.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:02:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Lee CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Why again is my C: drive FAT16? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: nothing at all bad should happen.. in fact, there should be a utility in start > programs > accessories > system tools David Lee wrote: > I heard the reason before but I was wondering if any harm would happen if I > convert my thinkpad 600X C: drive from FAT16 to FAT32. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Jun 12 16:09:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA19327 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:09:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21945; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:06:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21768; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21754; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (161.44.200.11 -> mill.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:06:26 -0400 Received: from mill.cisco.com (mill.cisco.com [161.44.200.11]) by mill.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA02367; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:06:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: Bill Morrow cc: David Lee , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Why again is my C: drive FAT16? In-Reply-To: <394541EF.D25E386A@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Well... while this is less of an issue than it used to be, Windows NT 4.0 and prior can't read FAT32. Since most everyone runs 2000 nowadays, that may not be an issue, but it is something to bear in mind. -Ken On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > nothing at all bad should happen.. > in fact, there should be a utility in start > programs > accessories > system > tools > > David Lee wrote: > > > I heard the reason before but I was wondering if any harm would happen if I > > convert my thinkpad 600X C: drive from FAT16 to FAT32. > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > From cph Mon Jun 12 16:22:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA19464 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:22:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23200; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:19:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22985; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22972; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:19:09 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-169.gate.net [199.227.20.232]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA128874; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:18:53 -0400 Message-ID: <394545B3.5E4F90C@gate.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:18:59 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ken D'Ambrosio" CC: David Lee , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Why again is my C: drive FAT16? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ken.. this IS true.. i never thought of THAT.. :-) but also, the thing that will save me from egg on face is the conversion app won't be there if he has a NT preload TP600.. Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: > Well... while this is less of an issue than it used to be, Windows NT 4.0 > and prior can't read FAT32. Since most everyone runs 2000 nowadays, that > may not be an issue, but it is something to bear in mind. > > -Ken > > On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > nothing at all bad should happen.. > > in fact, there should be a utility in start > programs > accessories > system > > tools > > > > David Lee wrote: > > > > > I heard the reason before but I was wondering if any harm would happen if I > > > convert my thinkpad 600X C: drive from FAT16 to FAT32. > > > > -- > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Jun 12 16:54:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA19784 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:54:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25649; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:51:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25483; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25470; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.org (216.254.0.5 -> gonzo.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:51:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 821 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2000 20:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grace.speakeasy.org) (216.254.0.2) by gonzo.speakeasy.net with SMTP; 12 Jun 2000 20:51:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 9483 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2000 20:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wald7) (216.254.51.19) by grace.speakeasy.org with SMTP; 12 Jun 2000 20:51:33 -0000 From: "William Armstrong" To: Subject: RE: T20 Win2K Antivirus SW? Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:54:57 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <3945392A.11C5479E@gate.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I didn't see any antivirus software included with my A20p. Did I miss something? -Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 3:26 PM To: Andrew G. Malis Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 Win2K Antivirus SW? you're other choice is norton, which does unkind things as well.. i would retain whatever IBM supplies with the T series.. too bad symantec bought up IBM's AV app.. "Andrew G. Malis" wrote: > I'm very patiently waiting for my T20 w/Win2K (2647-84U) to arrive from IBM. > > Meanwhile, having had zero experience with Win2K, I thought I would ask for > a recommendation for the "best" Win2K antivirus SW. > > I'm currently using Network Associates (McAfee) VirusScan on my TP 600 > running NT 4.0, and I'm unhappy enough with it to look elsewhere for my new > machine. It occasionally starts eating up all of the processor, and can't > be killed from the task manager - I have to reboot to recover. > > Anyway, any and all recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Andy -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Jun 12 16:56:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA19804 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:56:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26121; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:54:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25893; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25880; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (24.92.226.165 -> mailout2-1.nyroc.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:54:27 -0400 Received: from mail3.stny.rr.com (mail3-0 [24.92.226.69]) by mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16431 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stny.rr.com ([24.24.79.237]) by mail3.stny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-53939U80000L80000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:53:19 -0400 Message-ID: <39454DD9.69AE8544@stny.rr.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:53:45 -0400 From: Pete Hatton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760ED DVD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone had any success playing DVD's on a 760ED? I have a 760ED and a Selectadock III which will accept the DVD drive >from a 770. I'm wondering if I can use this to play back DVD's on the tv using the TV out of the 760. From cph Mon Jun 12 16:59:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA19847 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:59:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26523; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:57:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26381; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26361; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:57:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01979; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:57:03 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Why again is my C: drive FAT16? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: In fact, www.winternals.com DOES have a FAT32 driver for NT4.0 as well as many other useful utilities/drivers. For example, they have a Win95/98 *FREE* driver that lets you read NTFS or a commercial version which can read AND WRITE NTFS! -- David Goldman On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: > Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:06:18 -0400 (EDT) > From: Ken D'Ambrosio > To: Bill Morrow > Cc: David Lee , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Why again is my C: drive FAT16? > > Well... while this is less of an issue than it used to be, Windows NT 4.0 > and prior can't read FAT32. Since most everyone runs 2000 nowadays, that > may not be an issue, but it is something to bear in mind. > > -Ken > > On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > nothing at all bad should happen.. > > in fact, there should be a utility in start > programs > accessories > system > > tools > > > > David Lee wrote: > > > > > I heard the reason before but I was wondering if any harm would happen if I > > > convert my thinkpad 600X C: drive from FAT16 to FAT32. > > > > -- > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > > > > > From cph Mon Jun 12 17:48:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA20297 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:48:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29903; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:41:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29609; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geneva.vmware.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29583; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geneva.vmware.com (63.93.12.3 -> geneva.vmware.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:41:09 -0400 Received: from tosh98 ([172.16.8.36]) by geneva.vmware.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10363; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:40:58 -0700 Reply-To: From: "John Edwards" To: , Subject: RE: [LTP] Little surprised as to why this happened. Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:38:51 +0100 Message-ID: <000301bfd4b6$9996da80$240810ac@tosh98.vmware.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFD4BE.FB5B4280" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <0.2000001268.959713552-212058698-960708889@topica.com> List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFD4BE.FB5B4280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had a similar problem with a change from 3Gb - 20Gb drive on SuSE 6.4 on my home PC -*not* an IBM TP, is this allowed here ;) I can boot OK from LILO on a floppy image any help would be appreciated -----Original Message----- From: Robert Nicholson [mailto:robert@elastica.com] Sent: 11 June 2000 08:35 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; linux-thinkpad@topica.com Subject: [LTP] Little surprised as to why this happened. I think I have some kind of geometry mismatch with LILO ... Here's what I did. OK this week I went out a got a 18GIG drive to put in my ultra slim bay on my 600X Previously today I'd installed SuSe 6.4 on my internal 12GIG drive and used ghost to backup that drive to the 18GIG. The root partition lies well above 1024 cylinder mark on the 12GIG drive but it still boots fine both from floppy and LILO on the root filesystem. So, today I tried to swap the 18GIG with the 12GIG as I want the bigger drive as my boot device. and when I boot from harddrive or the bootfloppy I just get LI nothing else. Why did this happen? I didn't expect this ... I look at PartitionInfo and it tells me the geometry's of the the two drives are the same. I'm not so sure about that really but they have the same number of heads and sectors per track and so therefore I simply thought that the starting cyclinder of the root filesystem and the boot filesystem would be the same on both machines. ... Why isn't LILO working even though both drives seem to have the same geometry. This isn't a problem to me as long as I can restore from the 18 gig drive to the 12gig and it just works. ie. the drive becomes exactly as it was before. But I would have expected to be able to boot from this drive also. In the above scenario isn't lilo at exactly the same sector on both disks? ___________________________________________________________ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFD4BE.FB5B4280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I had a=20 similar problem with a change from 3Gb - 20Gb drive on SuSE 6.4 on my = home PC=20 -*not* an IBM TP, is this allowed here ;)
I can boot OK from LILO on a floppy = image
 
any=20 help would be appreciated
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Nicholson = [mailto:robert@elastica.com]
Sent: 11 June 2000=20 08:35
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu;=20 linux-thinkpad@topica.com
Subject: [LTP] Little surprised = as to=20 why this happened.

I think I have some kind =
of geometry mismatch with LILO ...

Here's what I did.

OK this week I went out a got a 18GIG drive to put in my ultra slim bay =
on
my 600X

Previously today I'd installed SuSe 6.4 on my internal 12GIG drive and =
used
ghost to backup that drive to the 18GIG. The root partition lies well =
above
1024 cylinder mark on the 12GIG drive but it still boots fine both from
floppy and LILO on the root filesystem.

So, today I tried to swap the 18GIG with the 12GIG as I want the bigger
drive as my boot device. and when I boot from harddrive or the =
bootfloppy

I just get LI

nothing else.

Why did this happen?

I didn't expect this ... I look at PartitionInfo and it tells me the
geometry's of the the two drives are the same. I'm not so sure about =
that
really but they have the same number of heads and sectors per track and =
so
therefore I simply thought that the starting cyclinder of the root
filesystem and the boot filesystem would be the same on both machines.

...

Why isn't LILO working even though both drives seem to have the same
geometry.

This isn't a problem to me as long as I can restore from the 18 gig =
drive to
the 12gig and it just works. ie. the drive becomes exactly as it was =
before.
But I would have expected to be able to boot from this drive also.

In the above scenario isn't lilo at exactly the same sector on both =
disks?

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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFD4BE.FB5B4280-- From cph Mon Jun 12 17:48:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA20302 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:48:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29907; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:40:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29536; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29523; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:40:31 -0400 Received: from jerrycud.att.net ([12.79.20.49]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000612214029.KWDM1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@jerrycud.att.net> for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:40:29 +0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000612173653.00a9d4e0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: k2jrc@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:40:57 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: JC Subject: A20 Pcmcia drivers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know where the PCmIA dos drivers are? I need this PCMCIA driver so I can connect a scsi tape drive under DOS, so I can restore windows/ Jerry K2JRC From cph Mon Jun 12 18:36:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA20675 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:36:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03662; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:34:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03535; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03522; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:34:34 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.2.233]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000612223432.KWRD6885.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:34:32 +0000 Message-ID: <394565B4.290F@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:35:32 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pete Hatton CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760ED DVD References: <39454DD9.69AE8544@stny.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If you plug a REALMAGIC Hollywood Plus PCI decoder into the sock, it will play back onto a monitor or a TV Pete Hatton wrote: > > Has anyone had any success playing DVD's on a 760ED? > I have a 760ED and a Selectadock III which will accept the DVD drive > from a 770. I'm wondering if I can use this to play back DVD's on the tv > using the TV out of the 760. From cph Mon Jun 12 19:22:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA20951 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:22:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06665; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:19:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06495; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06482; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:19:52 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-169.gate.net [199.227.20.232]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA74092; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:15:45 -0400 Message-ID: <39456F27.5D8FB7A4@gate.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:15:51 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jedwards@vmware.com CC: linux-thinkpad@topica.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [LTP] Little surprised as to why this happened. References: <000301bfd4b6$9996da80$240810ac@tosh98.vmware.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0414A728C5A6FE2B52BD8537" List-Unsubscribe: --------------0414A728C5A6FE2B52BD8537 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i THINK Apricorns EZ-gig supports linux.. makes a direct copy of the source drive on the target drive.. and, intrestingly, EZ-gig is now supplied with the 2nd HDD adapter for the ThinkPad T & A series.. John Edwards wrote: > I had a similar problem with a change from 3Gb - 20Gb drive on SuSE > 6.4 on my home PC -*not* an IBM TP, is this allowed here ;)I can boot > OK from LILO on a floppy image any help would be appreciated > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Nicholson [mailto:robert@elastica.com] > Sent: 11 June 2000 08:35 > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; linux-thinkpad@topica.com > Subject: [LTP] Little surprised as to why this happened. > > > I think I have some kind of geometry mismatch with LILO ... > > Here's what I did. > > OK this week I went out a got a 18GIG drive to put in my ultra slim bay on > my 600X > > Previously today I'd installed SuSe 6.4 on my internal 12GIG drive and used > ghost to backup that drive to the 18GIG. The root partition lies well above > 1024 cylinder mark on the 12GIG drive but it still boots fine both from > floppy and LILO on the root filesystem. > > So, today I tried to swap the 18GIG with the 12GIG as I want the bigger > drive as my boot device. and when I boot from harddrive or the bootfloppy > > I just get LI > > nothing else. > > Why did this happen? > > I didn't expect this ... I look at PartitionInfo and it tells me the > geometry's of the the two drives are the same. I'm not so sure about that > really but they have the same number of heads and sectors per track and so > therefore I simply thought that the starting cyclinder of the root > filesystem and the boot filesystem would be the same on both machines. > > ... > > Why isn't LILO working even though both drives seem to have the same > geometry. > > This isn't a problem to me as long as I can restore from the 18 gig drive to > the 12gig and it just works. ie. the drive becomes exactly as it was before. > But I would have expected to be able to boot from this drive also. > > In the above scenario isn't lilo at exactly the same sector on both disks? > > ___________________________________________________________ > T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 > Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net --------------0414A728C5A6FE2B52BD8537 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i THINK Apricorns EZ-gig supports linux..
makes a direct copy of the source drive on the target drive..

and, intrestingly, EZ-gig is now supplied with the 2nd HDD adapter for the ThinkPad T & A series..

John Edwards wrote:

 I had a similar problem with a change from 3Gb - 20Gb drive on SuSE 6.4 on my home PC -*not* an IBM TP, is this allowed here ;)I can boot OK from LILO on a floppy image any help would be appreciated
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Nicholson [mailto:robert@elastica.com]
Sent: 11 June 2000 08:35
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; linux-thinkpad@topica.com
Subject: [LTP] Little surprised as to why this happened.
 
I think I have some kind of geometry mismatch with LILO ...

Here's what I did.

OK this week I went out a got a 18GIG drive to put in my ultra slim bay on
my 600X

Previously today I'd installed SuSe 6.4 on my internal 12GIG drive and used
ghost to backup that drive to the 18GIG. The root partition lies well above
1024 cylinder mark on the 12GIG drive but it still boots fine both from
floppy and LILO on the root filesystem.

So, today I tried to swap the 18GIG with the 12GIG as I want the bigger
drive as my boot device. and when I boot from harddrive or the bootfloppy

I just get LI

nothing else.

Why did this happen?

I didn't expect this ... I look at PartitionInfo and it tells me the
geometry's of the the two drives are the same. I'm not so sure about that
really but they have the same number of heads and sectors per track and so
therefore I simply thought that the starting cyclinder of the root
filesystem and the boot filesystem would be the same on both machines.

...

Why isn't LILO working even though both drives seem to have the same
geometry.

This isn't a problem to me as long as I can restore from the 18 gig drive to
the 12gig and it just works. ie. the drive becomes exactly as it was before.
But I would have expected to be able to boot from this drive also.

In the above scenario isn't lilo at exactly the same sector on both disks?
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  --------------0414A728C5A6FE2B52BD8537-- From cph Mon Jun 12 19:48:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA21123 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:48:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08812; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:45:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08423; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08394; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:45:48 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id TAA14831; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:45:47 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id TAA16352; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000612164426.00a9c850@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:45:34 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: IBM's T & A In-Reply-To: <39456F27.5D8FB7A4@gate.net> References: <000301bfd4b6$9996da80$240810ac@tosh98.vmware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 07:15 PM 6/12/00 -0400, you wrote: >i THINK Apricorns EZ-gig supports linux.. >makes a direct copy of the source drive on the target drive.. > >and, intrestingly, EZ-gig is now supplied with the 2nd HDD adapter for the >ThinkPad T & A series.. T & A series, eh? ;-) Where do I order one of those?! From cph Mon Jun 12 20:15:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA21349 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:15:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11000; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:12:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10834; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toad.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10821; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toad.com (140.174.2.1 -> toad.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:12:43 -0400 Received: from machine4 ([208.199.120.80]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28451; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000612200840.01f6df00@mail.ny.viant.com> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: Kenzo's Useful Mail Client v3 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:12:09 -0400 To: Robert Lawrence , Thinkpad list From: Ken Subject: Re: Batteries - TP770 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: My 770ED battery has been very weak. Having just read this message, I called IBM. I argued for quite a while, but they were unwilling to replace the battery. They said if the battery holds any charge at all, even if only for a minute, then it is not exhibiting the defective symptoms, and thus they will not replace it for free. So, as usual, IBM isn't consistently on the customer's side. - Ken kenzo@free-music.com At 09:12 PM 6/7/00 -0400, Robert Lawrence wrote: >About six months ago, the battery in my ThinkPad 770ED expired just >after the end of the one-year warranty period for batteries. I called >IBM at that time to ask whether these batteries were known to be >defective, and was told that there were no known problems with the >batteries. I chalked it all up to bad luck, but for some reason I >saved the battery instead of discarding it. > >Today, I saw William Armstrong's message to this group, quoted below. >I checked the part number of my old battery (actually the FRU P/N >rather than the ASM P/N ), and found that it corresponded exactly to >the number in Mr. Armstrong's posting -- #02K6508. This of course >prompted me to call IBM again, and sure enough this battery is now >listed as defective and they are sending me a new one free of charge. > >I consider myself fortunate that I happened to read Mr. Armstrong's >posting in detail, and also in having saved the old battery. > >Robert Lawrence > >On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:13:26 -0400, William Armstrong wrote: > > >Yesterday I had an interesting experience with IBM support. > > > >I currently have two ThinkPads (one 770 and one 770Z). The battery that I > >had in the 770Z was not charging fully to 100% on a consistent basis and I > >noticed that once it reached about 30% it would drop to 4% and begin a > >shutdown. I had two other batteries, one that I thought was OK, the other I > >was not sure about. The good one was in the 770 that my wife uses at home. > >In swapping out the bad battery in my 770Z with the other two batteries I > >found that neither of them would work in either ThinkPad. The one that I > >thought was OK would no longer work at all. So I had one not so good battery > >and two bad batteries. I immediately ordered from Centrix (recommended here) > >two new batteries. Both were the 4.8AM version (ASM P/N #02K6508). Neither > >of those batteries worked so I called IBM support thinking that perhaps > >there was something wrong with my laptop. IBM looked up the part numbers on > >all of the batteries (out of five batteries I had three different part > >numbers) and came back saying that all the batteries were on a list as being > >potentially defective and that they would replace them all. Today I received > >the first of four batteries I am expecting. I didn't set up an exchange for > >the fifth battery because it was at home in my wife's ThinkPad. The new > >battery works OK. It has an altogether different part number (ASM P/N > >#02K7017). > > > >The lesson here I think is that for any of you out there that have had > >similar experiences it might be worth a call to IBM to see if you can get a > >freee replacement. > > > >Best regards, > >Bill Armstrong From cph Mon Jun 12 21:19:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA21702 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:19:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15091; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:15:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14804; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14783; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:15:07 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a22.pm3-16.theriver.com [208.164.96.134]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8123B25F0B; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:15:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39458BA8.E8D26506@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:17:28 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Armstrong Subject: Re: T20 Win2K Antivirus SW? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: We think Norton works great! Updates are easy and frequent enough to deal promptly with any of the new world disasters that are shouted about loudly by the media... And most importantly, the price is right. From cph Mon Jun 12 21:27:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA21740 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:27:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15658; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:21:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15434; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15421; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:21:28 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a22.pm3-16.theriver.com [208.164.96.134]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2543B26037; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:20:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39458CE9.3C1E7D37@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:22:49 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Lee Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Why again is my C: drive FAT16? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: None. But be prepared for a little work and a lot of time. And why would you want to do this? There is enough involved in downloading and installing files from the www.ibm.com site that I wouldn't do it without a specific reason that makes your computer and software to operate better for you. From cph Mon Jun 12 21:28:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA21745 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:28:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15948; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:23:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15583; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15570; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:23:14 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a22.pm3-16.theriver.com [208.164.96.134]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B6725FD1; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:22:40 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39458D70.8252EF30@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:25:04 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Netadmin Cc: "Thinkpad List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Win2k & TP 770ED - Suspend/Hibernation Problems References: <1632D5B5B556D3119C4600104B27E4D50EEDBC@mail.hillsdale.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You need to download all the latest files from www.ibm.com and install them correctly. If I am not mistaken, there is a new bios just for your machine to use Win2K... and some other files as well. From cph Mon Jun 12 21:35:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA21804 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:35:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16846; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:32:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16685; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acunet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16656; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acunet.net (208.203.130.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:32:14 -0400 Received: from xpool24.acunet.net (xpool24.acunet.net [208.208.7.24]) by acunet.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA23187 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006130132.VAA23187@acunet.net> From: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" To: "Thinkpad list" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:30:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Batteries - TP770 List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:12:09 -0400, Ken wrote: >My 770ED battery has been very weak. Having just read this message, I called IBM. I argued for quite a while, but they were unwilling to replace the battery. They said if the battery holds any charge at all, even if only for a minute, then it is not exhibiting the defective symptoms, and thus they will not replace it for free. I have a battery for my 770 (FRU P/N 12J0433, ASM P/N 83H6193) that will not take one bit of a charge. It was almost two years old so I just purchased a new one from Centrix. Now I'm beginning to wonder if I have one of the defective ones. > >So, as usual, IBM isn't consistently on the customer's side. I wouldn't go so far as to say that..I've been pretty happy with them to date. I do wish I knew what their replacement policy for batteries was though. It seems to be different depending on who you talk to. Jeff From cph Mon Jun 12 22:03:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA21931 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:03:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19030; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:00:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18734; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18720; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:59:58 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.26.154]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000613015956.YUOT1605.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:59:56 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000612215839.014c8dc0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:58:39 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: T20 commercial Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Things must be bad - I just saw an ad for the T20 during Ally McBeal... Jane From cph Mon Jun 12 22:21:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA22052 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:21:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20267; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:17:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20044; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20031; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.117 -> pilot017.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:17:36 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port25.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.164]) by pilot017.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA154818 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:17:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000612220839.00dedda0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:10:52 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: T20 commercial In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000612215839.014c8dc0@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Well, there was an article in some place like cnet which was quoting a senior IBM person who said that revenues must increase in the laptop line, or else. I don't think IBM is doing as well as it wants to in either the desktop or laptop markets. So the ultra-cheap new i Series and ads on TV are a part of the plan to combat this, it seems... --STeve Andre' At 09:58 PM 6/12/00 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: >Things must be bad - I just saw an ad for the T20 during Ally McBeal... > >Jane From cph Mon Jun 12 22:23:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA22060 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:23:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20676; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:20:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20421; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20408; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:20:31 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA13334 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:20:26 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000b01bfd4de$20f94ae0$1162183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: [TP570] Cheap battery sighted Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:21:46 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Saw a battery for the 570 in the necx outlet website this morning for $75. Probably a one-off. I don't recall the exact URL, start at www.necx.com and look around for the outlet store. - David R. From cph Mon Jun 12 22:32:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA22097 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:32:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21495; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:29:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21357; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21343; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.105 -> pilot005.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:29:32 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port25.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.164]) by pilot005.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA109064 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:29:27 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000612222013.00ded750@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:22:49 -0400 To: thinkPad Mailing List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Why again is my C: drive FAT16? In-Reply-To: <39458CE9.3C1E7D37@theriver.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Why convert to FAT32? Well, on my ThinkPad 1451 i, I got about 290M of disk back after the conversion, which took about 30 minutes or less. I'm not sure what you mean by downloading and installing files--nothing like that is needed to make the conversion. This was one MS conversion which was easy and worked right the first time. --STeve Andre' At 06:22 PM 6/12/00 -0700, Ray Bay wrote: >None. But be prepared for a little work and a lot of time. > >And why would you want to do this? > >There is enough involved in downloading and installing files from the >www.ibm.com site that I wouldn't do it without a specific reason that >makes your computer and software to operate better for you. From cph Mon Jun 12 22:41:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA22139 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:41:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22263; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:38:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22115; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22102; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.110 -> pilot010.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:38:26 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port25.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.164]) by pilot010.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA46720 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:38:21 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000612223103.00de6ef0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:31:42 -0400 To: thinkPad Mailing List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Why again is my C: drive FAT16? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000612222013.00ded750@pilot.msu.edu> References: <39458CE9.3C1E7D37@theriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Oops... I think the latest talk was of converting W2K, of which I no nothing about for FAT purposes. Sorry. --STeve Andre' At 10:22 PM 6/12/00 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >Why convert to FAT32? Well, on my ThinkPad 1451 i, I got about 290M of >disk back after the conversion, which took about 30 minutes or less. > >I'm not sure what you mean by downloading and installing files--nothing >like that is needed to make the conversion. This was one MS conversion >which was easy and worked right the first time. > >--STeve Andre' > >At 06:22 PM 6/12/00 -0700, Ray Bay wrote: >>None. But be prepared for a little work and a lot of time. >> >>And why would you want to do this? >> >>There is enough involved in downloading and installing files from the >>www.ibm.com site that I wouldn't do it without a specific reason that >>makes your computer and software to operate better for you. From cph Mon Jun 12 23:16:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA22287 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:16:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24177; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:12:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24046; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24033; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:12:45 -0400 Received: from lorie ([199.179.168.132]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20000613031236.EVHJ6090.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@lorie>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:12:36 -0500 Message-ID: <022801bfd4e4$f0a5e860$1396f2cc@lorie> From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "TP List" Cc: Subject: Re: Little surprised as to why this happened. Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:43:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I would guess the reason is the 600's main EIDE chip initializes this drive differently than the ultraslimbay hotswapping controller chip. This is a problem to be reported and probably corrected easily. What is the email address to do this? A hassle? I'll say. Wrong geometry = unrecognizable data. Aaron Brown. >I've seen this exact same thing with my 600. For some reason, the drive >geometry is different in the ultraslimbay vs. in the machine. What a >hassle. I think you can specify the geometry explicitly in lilo.conf or >at the LILO prompt. However, I generally swap out the main hard drive. > >--Lee Hetherington > > From cph Tue Jun 13 00:04:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA22488 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:04:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27372; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:01:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27128; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27105; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:01:32 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-438.gate.net [199.227.173.184]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA125418; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:01:28 -0400 Message-ID: <39457E89.D25BB040@gate.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:21:29 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: IBM's T & A References: <000301bfd4b6$9996da80$240810ac@tosh98.vmware.com> <4.2.0.58.20000612164426.00a9c850@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: most anyplace, but you never know whats under the cover.. :-) Randal Whittle wrote: > At 07:15 PM 6/12/00 -0400, you wrote: > >i THINK Apricorns EZ-gig supports linux.. > >makes a direct copy of the source drive on the target drive.. > > > >and, intrestingly, EZ-gig is now supplied with the 2nd HDD adapter for the > >ThinkPad T & A series.. > > T & A series, eh? ;-) > > Where do I order one of those?! -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Jun 13 05:09:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA23858 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:09:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12789; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:06:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12589; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaab.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12527; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaab.compuserve.com (149.174.206.135 -> ds-img-2.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:05:59 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id FAA18763 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:05:36 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: A Tel Nos for IBM UK tech anyone?? Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200006130505_MC2-A87E-7AC4@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA23859 I need to talk to IBM about some battery problems and have not found a helpful IBM location so far. Does anyone have a UK telephone number for a Thinkpad support issue please? Thanks Mark From cph Tue Jun 13 08:25:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA24793 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:25:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02932; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:23:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02633; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02620; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.org (216.254.0.5 -> gonzo.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:23:06 -0400 Received: (qmail 12325 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2000 12:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grace.speakeasy.org) (216.254.0.2) by gonzo.speakeasy.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 12:23:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 15193 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2000 12:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wald7) (216.254.51.19) by grace.speakeasy.org with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 12:23:04 -0000 From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: T20 commercial Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:26:26 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000612215839.014c8dc0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: What's so bad about this? Given the successs of the 600 series, it's not surprising that IBM would want to get the word out about it's successor. Maybe advertising will lead to lower prices given the increased volume. But then, maybe not... Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Jane Loyless [mailto:jloyless@netbox.com] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 9:59 PM To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: T20 commercial Things must be bad - I just saw an ad for the T20 during Ally McBeal... Jane From cph Tue Jun 13 08:26:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA24797 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:26:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02950; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:22:53 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02568; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:22:52 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id IAA22457 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17474; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (194.217.242.91 -> anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:57:41 -0400 Received: from moab.demon.co.uk ([158.152.127.170]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 131nRv-000AOT-0X for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:57:39 +0100 Message-ID: <+yFYLXAgVgR5EwwH@moab.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:56:48 +0100 To: thinkpad From: Greg Terrell Subject: Re: A Tel Nos for IBM UK tech anyone?? References: <200006130505_MC2-A87E-7AC4@compuserve.com> In-Reply-To: <200006130505_MC2-A87E-7AC4@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U List-Unsubscribe: Mark ThinkPad Tech Support - 01475 555059 should be a starting point. In message <200006130505_MC2-A87E-7AC4@compuserve.com>, Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> writes >I need to talk to IBM about some battery problems and have not found a >helpful IBM location so far. Does anyone have a UK telephone number for a >Thinkpad support issue please? > >Thanks > >Mark -- Greg From cph Tue Jun 13 13:19:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA27447 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:19:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02571; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:11:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01868; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01809; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:10:36 -0400 Received: from 209-122-243-33.s33.tnt1.hlb.nj.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.243.33] helo=ppro) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 131uCi-00044A-00; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:10:20 -0400 Received: by ppro (VPOP3) with SMTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:10:41 -0400 Message-ID: <0eb601bfd55a$3fcc4db0$0d00a8c0@dec5200> From: "R Briganti" To: "David Ross" , "ThinkPad mailing list" References: <000b01bfd4de$20f94ae0$1162183f@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Was [TP570] Cheap battery sighted - NECX Problems Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:10:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0b - Registered to: Belle Mead Claims List-Unsubscribe: Be aware that NECX is now owned by Gateway. I ordered a CDR-CDRW recorder >from them that was advertised by NECX as including EZ CD Creator Deluxe but when it arrived it only had the Standard edition. To make a long story short, they tried every way to duck the issue including selling me the software they said came with the unit. I gave up and will take it up with American Express, but I won't buy from them again. Before Gateway, NECX was a good vendor and I've bought several items from them. Too bad they've changed their attitude toward customer "service." Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 22:21 Subject: [TP570] Cheap battery sighted > Saw a battery for the 570 in the necx outlet website this morning for > $75. Probably > a one-off. I don't recall the exact URL, start at www.necx.com and look > around for the outlet store. > > - David R. > > From cph Tue Jun 13 14:49:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA28179 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:49:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14923; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:45:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14625; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14610; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:45:25 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA14975; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:41:26 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003201bfd567$2a732440$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "R Briganti" , "ThinkPad mailing list" References: <000b01bfd4de$20f94ae0$1162183f@math.hawaii.edu> <0eb601bfd55a$3fcc4db0$0d00a8c0@dec5200> Subject: Re: Was [TP570] Cheap battery sighted - NECX Problems Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:42:45 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Me: [pointer to necx outlet store deleted] Bob: "Be aware that NECX is now owned by Gateway [...bad experience snipped...] Before Gateway, NECX was a good vendor and I've bought several items from them. Too bad they've changed their attitude toward customer "service." I did notice that shipping options have diminished, prices increased, and the web site has become harder to navigate. Still, the price on that battery is pretty attractive (unless it is gone already:-). - David R. From cph Tue Jun 13 15:38:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA28525 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:38:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19905; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:34:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19538; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19523; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.89 -> web116.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:34:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 18341 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2000 19:34:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000613193410.18340.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.206.220.209] by web116.yahoomail.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:34:10 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:34:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: 2nd battery in TP760 Ultrabay? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Since we are discussing batteries, does anyone know how the second battery is supposed to be held in when it's inserted in the 760's ultrabay? The connectors inside the bay are mounted lower down than they are for the first battery. If I push it down, it works but there is nothing to hold it in place. The battery case has some notches in the sides that line up with tabs inside the bay but they are not tight and let it move around enough that it will come up off the connectors. Is there some kind of clip needed to hold the battery in place? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From cph Tue Jun 13 18:22:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA30223 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:22:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01189; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:20:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00976; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00954; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:20:20 -0400 Received: from ballarda (user-38lco58.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.96.168]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA32134; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005b01bfd586$a3b31620$6f6f6f6f@ballarda> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Steve C." , Subject: Re: 2nd battery in TP760 Ultrabay? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:28:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Flip up the blue clip at the connector end. Connect battery. Make sure other end of battery is within the "box" made into the bottom of the case at the area near the opening in the case for a floppy. -----Original Message----- From: Steve C. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 3:36 PM Subject: 2nd battery in TP760 Ultrabay? >Since we are discussing batteries, does anyone know >how the second battery is supposed to be held in when >it's inserted in the 760's ultrabay? The connectors >inside the bay are mounted lower down than they are >for the first battery. If I push it down, it works >but there is nothing to hold it in place. The battery >case has some notches in the sides that line up with >tabs inside the bay but they are not tight and let it >move around enough that it will come up off the >connectors. Is there some kind of clip needed to hold >the battery in place? > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! >http://photos.yahoo.com From cph Tue Jun 13 20:47:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA31479 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:47:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09194; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:44:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08911; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web106.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08898; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web106.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.73 -> web106.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:44:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 1988 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2000 00:44:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000614004411.1987.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.206.220.209] by web106.yahoomail.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:44:11 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:44:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: 2nd battery in TP760 Ultrabay? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Box? When I take the CD drive out there is just a big open area. The battery won't stay in place unless I hold it down with my hand. Should there be a box of some kind that it fits in? --- Allan Ballard wrote: > Flip up the blue clip at the connector end. > Connect battery. > Make sure other end of battery is within the > "box" made into the bottom of the case at > the area near the opening in the case for > a floppy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve C. > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 3:36 PM > Subject: 2nd battery in TP760 Ultrabay? > > > >Since we are discussing batteries, does anyone know > >how the second battery is supposed to be held in > when > >it's inserted in the 760's ultrabay? The > connectors > >inside the bay are mounted lower down than they are > >for the first battery. If I push it down, it works > >but there is nothing to hold it in place. The > battery > >case has some notches in the sides that line up > with > >tabs inside the bay but they are not tight and let > it > >move around enough that it will come up off the > >connectors. Is there some kind of clip needed to > hold > >the battery in place? > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > >http://photos.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From cph Tue Jun 13 21:48:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA31892 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:48:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11953; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:44:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11754; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11741; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (24.4.0.67 -> ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:44:32 -0400 Received: from cy30646-a.tribal.com ([24.5.70.43]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000614014430.DFVE27471.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@cy30646-a.tribal.com> for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:44:30 -0700 X-Comment1: Views expressed are not neccessarily those of Tribal Voice, Inc. X-Keiratsu: CMGI, Inc. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000613194334.00b31670@mail.tribal.com> X-Sender: aryeh@mail.tribal.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:44:25 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Aryeh Goretsky Subject: RE: T20 Win2K Antivirus SW? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Hello Mr. Malis, I went searching for anti-virus software for my ThinkPad 770Z the day Windows 2000 came out. At that time, there was one product 'certified' by the ICSA (http://www.icsa.net/ - a commercial organization, though, not a non-profit) for use with Windows 2000, Sophos' self-named Sophos Anti-Virus. I had previously been using Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus, which, in turn, had replaced IBM Anti-Virus on my TP770Z. I had heard of Sophos in the past--they are one of the older anti-virus companies dating from the late 1980's but had never used any of their products before. Here is what I found: Their anti-virus program turned out to have the smallest footprint in terms of memory and processor utilization I had see of any Windows NT/2000-based anti-virus, they provide updates several times a week (and sometimes a day), and the technical support staff seemed genuinely knowledgeable about both the product and its ancillary utilities. In addition to the standard updates via the Internet, they also send me a CD monthly. It's not perfect, though. First off, the product is very expensive compared to 'off-the-store-shelf' consumer-grade anti-virus software, approximately $150 USD for a single PC copy for one year. A two PC license cost me around $300 USD (I do, by the way, receive two CD's from them). Of course, this product is geared at businesses, and they are really not after the home-user market. Secondly, unlike the consumer-grade products, Sophos Anti-Virus relies on a command-line utility called SGET to retrieve its updates; there is no "Live Update" or "Secure Cast" for users to point-and-click through. I don't necessarily think this is an issue for most readers of the list, who can create and schedule a script to run, but it is probably beyond the skill set of the neophyte user. The other issue with Sophos is simply finding the company and buying the product. They are small (under 100 employees, I'd imagine) and based in the UK with a small office in the US. A web search revealed grand total of two resellers in the US. Anyways, here's the URL's for their respective web sites: Sophos - http://www.us.sophos.com/ NH&A - http://www.nha.com/ (an anti-virus VAR) ACT - http://www.altcomp.com/ Good luck with whatever solution you decide to go with! Regards, Aryeh Goretsky P.S. The above comment consists of my personal observations only, and should not be considered a recommendation or solicitation of any goods or services. I have no financial interest in this or any other anti-virus company, including McAfee Associates where I was hired by John McAfee as his first full-time employee in 1989 and ran the technical support department for five years. At 12:15 PM 6/13/2000 -0400, "Andrew G. Malis" wrote: Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:02:09 -0400 From: "Andrew G. Malis" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: T20 Win2K Antivirus SW? I'm very patiently waiting for my T20 w/Win2K (2647-84U) to arrive from IBM. Meanwhile, having had zero experience with Win2K, I thought I would ask for a recommendation for the "best" Win2K antivirus SW. I'm currently using Network Associates (McAfee) VirusScan on my TP 600 running NT 4.0, and I'm unhappy enough with it to look elsewhere for my new machine. It occasionally starts eating up all of the processor, and can't be killed from the task manager - I have to reboot to recover. Anyway, any and all recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Andy From cph Wed Jun 14 00:52:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA32704 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:52:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20277; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:49:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20097; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loomis.vermontel.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20084; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loomis.vermontel.net (204.164.106.19 -> loomis.vermontel.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:49:24 -0400 Received: from netzero (whit1-100.vermontel.net [206.102.230.104]) by loomis.vermontel.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA41941 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:48:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from pete@vermontel.net) From: "Pete Ferrand" To: "Thinkpad list" Subject: 760 can't see floppy Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:52:14 -0400 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <200006130132.VAA23187@acunet.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Went round and round in circles with a 760EL that couldn't recognize its floppy - was greyed out in Easy-Setup. Floppy worked in another machine just fine, so.... Long story short, one of the two screws that hold down the connector on the system unit that any of the Ultrabay devices plug into was...up in the air nearly all the way! I don't do a lot of swapping in this machine, and it was only because of better-than-average lighting that I noticed this, but somehow over time and miles the screw just loosened up, apparantly keeping the drive from plugging in all the way. Tightened it and everything works. Hope your troubles are as inexpensively fixed. Yup, there it is, finally, after all these years - a screw loose! Never thought it would happen on an IBM product -Pete Plainfield, NH From cph Wed Jun 14 01:12:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA00327 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:12:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21752; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:09:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21565; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21552; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:09:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:09:34 -0400 Received: from mail.theriver.com (a25.pm3-28.theriver.com [206.102.195.41]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E40A25D4D for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:09:09 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:56:52 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: linux and A20Ps X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 Message-Id: <20000614050909.1E40A25D4D@pantano.theriver.com> List-Unsubscribe: In , on 06/12/00 at 08:15 AM, Michelle Klein-Hass said: >>"IBM to sell laptops with Linux OS" >>http://www.sjmercury.com/svtech/news/breaking/ap/docs/86226l.htm >The distribution that IBM will be using is Caldera OpenLinux eDesktop >2.4. >I've installed this distribution on a desktop, and it was pretty >effortless to install. The manual even has specific information about >how to install on laptops. I suggest that anyone who is contemplating >installing Linux on a Thinkpad try OpenLinux. I used that distribution to for my 760ED, but version 2.3. It was "effortless" to install after I figured out settings for the screen. Someone else here was looking for those settings (and I might be joining them soon.) James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Jun 14 02:28:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA00606 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:28:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24426; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:24:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24265; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24252; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:24:37 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-217.gate.net [207.36.212.217]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA47180; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:24:32 -0400 Message-ID: <39472527.35B58886@gate.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:24:39 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard CC: "Steve C." , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 2nd battery in TP760 Ultrabay? References: <005b01bfd586$a3b31620$6f6f6f6f@ballarda> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Additionally, there is a spring (or should be) in the bottom of the ultrabay.. the tips of which hold the battery in place, AND there is a blank bezel which holds the end of the battery in place.. Allan Ballard wrote: > Flip up the blue clip at the connector end. > Connect battery. > Make sure other end of battery is within the > "box" made into the bottom of the case at > the area near the opening in the case for > a floppy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve C. > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 3:36 PM > Subject: 2nd battery in TP760 Ultrabay? > > >Since we are discussing batteries, does anyone know > >how the second battery is supposed to be held in when > >it's inserted in the 760's ultrabay? The connectors > >inside the bay are mounted lower down than they are > >for the first battery. If I push it down, it works > >but there is nothing to hold it in place. The battery > >case has some notches in the sides that line up with > >tabs inside the bay but they are not tight and let it > >move around enough that it will come up off the > >connectors. Is there some kind of clip needed to hold > >the battery in place? > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > >http://photos.yahoo.com -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed Jun 14 03:03:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA00768 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 03:03:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26311; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 03:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 03:00:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26092; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 03:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26078; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 03:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (198.4.92.1 -> drawbridge.ascend.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 03:00:16 -0400 Received: from fw-ext.ascend.com (fw-ext [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA17132; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from russet.ascend.com by fw-ext.ascend.com via smtpd (for drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 07:00:14 UT Received: from porky (porky.ascend.com [192.207.23.83]) by russet.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA08438; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000614025643.027fa870@mail.northweb.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:59:33 -0400 To: Aryeh Goretsky From: "Andrew G. Malis" Subject: RE: T20 Win2K Antivirus SW? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000613194334.00b31670@mail.tribal.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Aryeh et al, Many thanks to all - you've certainly helped me narrow my search! I'm going to look into both Sophos (which I had never heard of before) and Norton. Cheers, Andy ------- At 6/13/00 07:44 PM -0600, Aryeh Goretsky wrote: >Hello Mr. Malis, > >I went searching for anti-virus software for my ThinkPad 770Z >the day Windows 2000 came out. At that time, there was one >product 'certified' by the ICSA (http://www.icsa.net/ - a >commercial organization, though, not a non-profit) for use >with Windows 2000, Sophos' self-named Sophos Anti-Virus. > >I had previously been using Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus, >which, in turn, had replaced IBM Anti-Virus on my TP770Z. > >I had heard of Sophos in the past--they are one of the older >anti-virus companies dating from the late 1980's but had never >used any of their products before. Here is what I found: > >Their anti-virus program turned out to have the smallest >footprint in terms of memory and processor utilization I >had see of any Windows NT/2000-based anti-virus, they >provide updates several times a week (and sometimes a >day), and the technical support staff seemed genuinely >knowledgeable about both the product and its ancillary >utilities. In addition to the standard updates via the >Internet, they also send me a CD monthly. > >It's not perfect, though. First off, the product is very >expensive compared to 'off-the-store-shelf' consumer-grade >anti-virus software, approximately $150 USD for a single PC >copy for one year. A two PC license cost me around $300 USD >(I do, by the way, receive two CD's from them). Of course, >this product is geared at businesses, and they are really >not after the home-user market. > >Secondly, unlike the consumer-grade products, Sophos Anti-Virus >relies on a command-line utility called SGET to retrieve its >updates; there is no "Live Update" or "Secure Cast" for users >to point-and-click through. > >I don't necessarily think this is an issue for most readers >of the list, who can create and schedule a script to run, but >it is probably beyond the skill set of the neophyte user. > >The other issue with Sophos is simply finding the company and >buying the product. They are small (under 100 employees, I'd >imagine) and based in the UK with a small office in the US. >A web search revealed grand total of two resellers in the US. > >Anyways, here's the URL's for their respective web sites: > >Sophos - http://www.us.sophos.com/ > NH&A - http://www.nha.com/ (an anti-virus VAR) > ACT - http://www.altcomp.com/ > >Good luck with whatever solution you decide to go with! > >Regards, > >Aryeh Goretsky > >P.S. The above comment consists of my personal observations > only, and should not be considered a recommendation or > solicitation of any goods or services. I have no financial > interest in this or any other anti-virus company, including > McAfee Associates where I was hired by John McAfee as his > first full-time employee in 1989 and ran the technical > support department for five years. > > >At 12:15 PM 6/13/2000 -0400, "Andrew G. Malis" wrote: > >Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:02:09 -0400 >From: "Andrew G. Malis" >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: T20 Win2K Antivirus SW? > >I'm very patiently waiting for my T20 w/Win2K (2647-84U) to arrive from IBM. > >Meanwhile, having had zero experience with Win2K, I thought I would ask >for a recommendation for the "best" Win2K antivirus SW. > >I'm currently using Network Associates (McAfee) VirusScan on my TP 600 >running NT 4.0, and I'm unhappy enough with it to look elsewhere for my >new machine. It occasionally starts eating up all of the processor, and >can't be killed from the task manager - I have to reboot to recover. > >Anyway, any and all recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, >Andy > From cph Wed Jun 14 05:29:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA01182 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:29:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12750; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:20:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12475; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaac.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12460; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaac.compuserve.com (149.174.177.148 -> hs-img-3.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:20:33 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id FAA03260 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:20:18 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Cheaper, new Li-ion for 75x and 76x UK Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200006140520_MC2-A8A9-DF8D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA01183 Hi Guys, I have picked up half a dozen or so cheap (er) New, IBM Li-ion batteries for the 75x and 76x models, so if you are interested in one please let me know. I thought I'd offer them to the list first. Mark 01252 710141 UK From cph Wed Jun 14 10:05:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA02456 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:05:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27672; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:02:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27345; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.twp-llc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27281; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.twp-llc.com (209.46.32.50) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:02:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by alpha.twp-llc.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08882 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:01:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:01:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Shopping for a 600X? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: For any of you who might be shopping for a 600X, they appear to be getting scarce. IBM has only one model (2645-5EU) with DVD for sale as of Tuesday. I managed to buy a 5FU from PCConnection at $3199, IBM's last price (and no sales tax!). Insight also said they had 30 available, but at $3599 (at that price, I'd go for the T20). My first brand new ThinkPad in seven years. Woo! From cph Wed Jun 14 10:26:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA02648 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:26:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29330; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:23:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29132; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29119; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60 -> cpimssmtpu10.smtp.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:23:51 -0400 Received: from default - 63.27.184.68 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:23:33 -0700 Message-ID: <006201bfd60b$1c247980$44b81b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: DVD on a laptop Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:16:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: What are the basic requirements to run a ext DVD player on a laptop, MHZ, mem etc. I've found a 266mhz pent MMX, with 64 megs ram, 10.4 tft, 4.3 gig HD, it's a sub notebook. Thanks for the help. Brad From cph Wed Jun 14 10:58:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA02867 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:58:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02311; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:55:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01852; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01806; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:55:04 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([32.100.255.242]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000061414545723900n8m8be>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:54:58 +0000 From: "David Lee" To: "Brad Burean" , "Think" Subject: RE: DVD on a laptop Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:53:14 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006201bfd60b$1c247980$44b81b3f@default> List-Unsubscribe: I know IBM recommends a 300 P-II processor with software decoding. However you might want to look at a hardware decoder if possible. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Burean [mailto:Burean@email.msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 10:16 AM To: Think Subject: DVD on a laptop What are the basic requirements to run a ext DVD player on a laptop, MHZ, mem etc. I've found a 266mhz pent MMX, with 64 megs ram, 10.4 tft, 4.3 gig HD, it's a sub notebook. Thanks for the help. Brad From cph Wed Jun 14 10:58:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA02871 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:58:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01473; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:50:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01332; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01310; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:50:34 -0400 Thread-Index: Ab/TMRGgV27w536XRViWpcBWeZ64NAC3VE3g Thread-Topic: SETI searchers sought content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , "thinkpad" Subject: RE: SETI searchers sought Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:48:34 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A0B4EC6@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA02874 I think the guys at RSA would be really surprised to learn that they work for the government! Actually, RSA was started by some MIT cryptography PhD's who came up with a number of cryptography technologies. They have been around for a while, got into a number of tiffs with the Internet community over their cryptography patents (for a while people used Diffie-Hellman instead of RSA to avoid the relatively onerous licensing fees). But, they have arguably the best cryptography algorithms available. They run the contest continuously in an effort to improve their technology. Unlike the US government who kept claiming that DES 56-bit was just fine for anything. Simply because they knew that they could crack it in a couple of hours on their Crays. ssh -----Original Message----- From: sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. [mailto:sehh@altered.com] Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 7:06 PM To: thinkpad Subject: Re: SETI searchers sought On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:58:23 -0400, Computer Guru wrote: >What is this? Cracking RC5 .......... >Is this a program? What does it do? >I have been seeing people talk about it, but do not know what it is. RSA is a government run organization which works along with NSA, to create encryption schemes for digital systems. From cph Wed Jun 14 11:06:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA02949 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:06:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03559; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:03:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03165; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ramtex.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03149; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ramtex.com (207.42.239.253) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:03:51 -0400 Received: from proxy1.ramtex.com [207.42.239.253] by mail.ramtex.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AED34BB020A; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:03:47 EDT Received: FROM dfcox BY proxy1.ramtex.com ; Wed Jun 14 11:03:46 2000 -0400 Message-ID: <002401bfd611$bb47dba0$3c01a8c0@dfcox> From: "David Cox" To: Subject: Intro to list Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:03:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I've just joined this list after purchasing a Thinkpad 730T and I'm looking for all the info I can get on it such as OS's, tips, tricks, etc. Thanks David From cph Wed Jun 14 11:56:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA03397 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:56:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07502; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:52:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07324; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epic22.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07311; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epic22.Stanford.EDU (171.64.15.57 -> epic22.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:52:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (benkoh@localhost) by epic22.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21435 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:52:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: epic22.Stanford.EDU: benkoh owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:52:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Kai Kia Koh cc: Think Subject: Re: DVD on a laptop In-Reply-To: <006201bfd60b$1c247980$44b81b3f@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Brad Burean wrote: > What are the basic requirements to run a ext DVD player on a laptop, MHZ, > mem etc. > > I've found a 266mhz pent MMX, with 64 megs ram, 10.4 tft, 4.3 gig HD, it's a > sub > notebook. Thanks for the help. > > Brad If you are reading data DVD-ROMs, no problem. Anything with a PC card slot will work. If you are watching DVD movies, you need decoding horsepower. This is provided by either a hardware decoder or a fast CPU. A 266MMX will keel over trying to do software decoding, so you'll need to add a decoder card. This means you need a laptop with 2 card slots (one for the DVD, one for the decoder). Alternatively get a P2-300 or faster to do software decode. Then one slot will suffice. Benjamin From cph Wed Jun 14 13:17:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA04381 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:17:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15906; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:12:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15488; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15472; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:12:56 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial38.auto-net.com [208.154.252.87]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10941 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:07:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <391EFA9E.9A93647F@iso.net> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 12:12:30 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Intro to list References: <002401bfd611$bb47dba0$3c01a8c0@dfcox> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: First, go to and you will have all the info you need. I installed 95 from a Thinkpad 755C in a docking station II w/ a CD-ROM. But when setup said restart, I put it in the 730T and it worked. Then, using Win 98 Drivespace (yes 98 - many of the 98 programs work in 95) I compressed the drive and then put the 95 setup files on it just to tweak the settings. But you will have your own story when you are done. Bill David Cox wrote: > Hi, > I've just joined this list after purchasing a Thinkpad 730T and I'm > looking for all the info I can get on it such as OS's, tips, tricks, etc. > > Thanks > David From cph Wed Jun 14 13:52:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA04808 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:52:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19913; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:48:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19504; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zebra.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19479; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zebra.net (209.12.13.2 -> mail.zebra.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:48:00 -0400 Received: from PROXIM ([216.85.77.212]) by mail.zebra.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:43:55 -0500 Message-ID: <002101bfd617$e81d7620$050a0a0a@PROXIM> From: "Bryan Jones" To: "Think" References: <006201bfd60b$1c247980$44b81b3f@default> Subject: Re: DVD on a laptop Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:47:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: You will need a hardware decoder for a 266 pent. Try www.margi.com . I use their DVD-To-Go card. Beware, though, because I know that a hardware decoder requires a Zoomed Video PC Card slot. Good luck. Bryan Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Burean To: Think Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 9:16 AM Subject: DVD on a laptop > What are the basic requirements to run a ext DVD player on a laptop, MHZ, > mem etc. > > I've found a 266mhz pent MMX, with 64 megs ram, 10.4 tft, 4.3 gig HD, it's a > sub > notebook. Thanks for the help. > > Brad > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Wed Jun 14 15:27:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA05834 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:27:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29351; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:18:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29062; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.internal (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29041; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.internal (209.166.154.244 -> isdn244.vocollect.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:18:47 -0400 Received: from brianb (brianb.internal [172.31.6.12]) by mail.internal (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19293 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:20:06 -0400 From: "Brian Bender" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:18:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Anyone got a dead machine with a good screen (for a 600x)? Message-ID: <3947A249.28632.9C295F4@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: I've got a coworker who just cracked the screen on his 600x (closed it on a pen cap!). Before they go off and buy a new one from IBM, has anyone got a broken machine with a donor screen he'd be interested in selling? (I'm in digest mode, so please Cc any offers to my mailbox) Thanks, - Brian Bender TP600 (PII/300, 10GB HDD, 224MB RAM) Happily dual-booting Slack7 Linux and Microsquat NT5 From cph Wed Jun 14 16:03:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA06237 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:03:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04183; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:00:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03918; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03854; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:00:45 -0400 Received: by porkchop.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:05:30 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: For Sale: ThinkPad 600X 500 MHz Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:05:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFD63B.E32421D6" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFD63B.E32421D6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Please accept my apologies if this is inappropriate for the list. I have a ThinkPad 600X (2645-5EU) for sale. This is a Win 98 preload with DVD. It's in perfect condition (no dead pixels, very bright screen, paint is in perfect condition, etc.). I'm willing to look at any reasonable offers. I have upgraded to an A20p and I no longer need this machine. Please email directly: mailto:greg@psnet.net Thanks, Greg ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFD63B.E32421D6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For Sale: ThinkPad 600X 500 MHz

Please accept my apologies if this is = inappropriate for the list.

I have a ThinkPad 600X (2645-5EU) for = sale. This is a Win 98 preload with DVD. It's in perfect condition (no = dead pixels, very bright screen, paint is in perfect condition, etc.). = I'm willing to look at any reasonable offers.

I have upgraded to an A20p and I no = longer need this machine.

Please email directly: mailto:greg@psnet.net

Thanks,
Greg

------_=_NextPart_001_01BFD63B.E32421D6-- From cph Wed Jun 14 19:52:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA08432 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:52:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22639; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:49:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22422; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 4notes.4mate.hr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22408; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:49:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from 4notes.4mate.hr (194.152.206.12 -> 4notes.4mate.hr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:49:13 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Cc: Subject: Sound on 380ED under Red Hat 5.2 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:54:20 +0200 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on 4Notes/4Mate(Release 5.0.1 (Intl)|16 July 1999) at 06/15/2000 01:54:25 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Hi, guys & gals! I had my ancient ThinkPad 380E (with CD-ROM added, so I guess it makes it 380ED) loosing its Windows twice, so I promoted it into real computer (or toy, depending on your point of view :) and installed RedHat Linux 5.2 (2.0.36). I spent few hours locating and configuring X86free version that supports its exotic video chipset ('blacklisted' by the 'official' developers due to undocumented interface), but otherwise have just one problem left: sound. As far as I recall from Windows, sound chipset is Christal something. sndconfig does not find anything, and when I manually ask for Christal, modprobe installs several module layers, but then complains about sound device being busy. Has anybody successfuly gotten sound to work on this OS/hardware conbination? Any pointers? Thanks! Dragi "Bonzi" Raos Zagreb, Croatia From cph Wed Jun 14 23:19:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA09740 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:19:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02910; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:15:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02793; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02780; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:15:53 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.174.77]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:16:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id XAA10352; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:15:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:15:33 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: David Cox cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Intro to list In-Reply-To: <002401bfd611$bb47dba0$3c01a8c0@dfcox> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, David Cox wrote: > Hi, > I've just joined this list after purchasing a Thinkpad 730T and I'm > looking for all the info I can get on it such as OS's, tips, tricks, etc. > I got Linux booting on mine. Check out http://cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com:9673/zwiki/SlateComputers/ThinkPad%20730T For info on that and other 730 stuff. ---GEC Projects page: http://tetsujin.sourceforge.net/ GAIM/AOL IM: Tetsujin0 - Message anytime -- ICQ: 46909656 - I never use it From cph Wed Jun 14 23:21:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA09767 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:21:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03247; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:18:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03102; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03089; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:18:29 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.174.77]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:19:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id XAA10364 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:18:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:18:24 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Looking for info on TP 730T In-Reply-To: <002401bfd611$bb47dba0$3c01a8c0@dfcox> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I'm trying to find technical info on the digitizer screen of the Thinkpad 730 - specifically any information I would need to write a Linux driver for it. So, if anybody has such info, please let me know. At this point even some fairly basic information would be helpful as well, so anyone running it under Windows - anything and everything you can tell me about the driver, the name of the device as it appears in Windows, what resources (I/O port, IRQ, etc) it uses, etc. that would be great. ---GEC Projects page: http://tetsujin.sourceforge.net/ GAIM/AOL IM: Tetsujin0 - Message anytime -- ICQ: 46909656 - I never use it From cph Thu Jun 15 01:19:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA10387 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:19:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08606; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:15:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08367; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08357; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:15:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.42 -> imo-d10.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:15:51 -0400 Received: from Bmwm61@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id o.73.436fd93 (9725) for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <73.436fd93.2679bfe1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:13:05 EDT Subject: 730T Batteries To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 List-Unsubscribe: The batteries have become a major stumbling block preventing me from enjoying my machine. Even the new packs I installed a few months ago are already showing signs of deterioration. I've decided to rebuild the packs using new 4/5 A cells but I'm not certain I've located a good supplier. So far House of Batteries is my only source. Does anyone know of others? Thanks, Jim From cph Thu Jun 15 01:41:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA10510 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:41:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09474; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:37:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09319; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09305; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:37:51 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-161.gate.net [199.227.20.224]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA42552; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:37:40 -0400 Message-ID: <39486BAC.B1938FEF@gate.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:37:48 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Langham CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: For Sale: 600X 500 MHz, A20p-61U & T20-41U References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------DACAD5CE06FCEF53E2DE97A4" List-Unsubscribe: --------------DACAD5CE06FCEF53E2DE97A4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greg.. post this on my open forum also.. and while we're at it, i have my one remaining A20p-61U (win98) open box, and TWO T20-41U (sealed box) for sale... buyers get a discount on 256meg DIMM's and other small considerations.. :-) Greg Langham wrote: > > > Please accept my apologies if this is inappropriate for the list. > > I have a ThinkPad 600X (2645-5EU) for sale. This is a Win 98 preload > with DVD. It's in perfect condition (no dead pixels, very bright > screen, paint is in perfect condition, etc.). I'm willing to look at > any reasonable offers. > > I have upgraded to an A20p and I no longer need this machine. > > Please email directly: mailto:greg@psnet.net > > Thanks, > Greg -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net --------------DACAD5CE06FCEF53E2DE97A4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greg..
post this on my open forum also..
and while we're at it, i have my one remaining A20p-61U (win98) open box,
and TWO T20-41U (sealed box) for sale...

buyers get a discount on 256meg DIMM's and other small considerations..  :-)

Greg Langham wrote:

 

Please accept my apologies if this is inappropriate for the list.

I have a ThinkPad 600X (2645-5EU) for sale. This is a Win 98 preload with DVD. It's in perfect condition (no dead pixels, very bright screen, paint is in perfect condition, etc.). I'm willing to look at any reasonable offers.

I have upgraded to an A20p and I no longer need this machine.

Please email directly: mailto:greg@psnet.net

Thanks,
Greg

--
Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net
  --------------DACAD5CE06FCEF53E2DE97A4-- From cph Thu Jun 15 01:48:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA10598 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:48:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10032; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:44:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09752; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09739; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:44:24 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-161.gate.net [199.227.20.224]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA95480; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:44:05 -0400 Message-ID: <39486D2D.DB9F616@gate.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:44:13 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Shopping for a 600X? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: All should know, the 600 is phasing out in favor of the T series.. end of production of the 600 is june, after more than 2 million machines..! the 600 has been one of IBM's best machines.. i would love to be able to have a good example of each, but alas, too impoverished.. :-\ Chris Schumann wrote: > For any of you who might be shopping for a 600X, they appear to be > getting scarce. IBM has only one model (2645-5EU) with DVD for sale as > of Tuesday. > > I managed to buy a 5FU from PCConnection at $3199, IBM's last price (and > no sales tax!). Insight also said they had 30 available, but at $3599 > (at that price, I'd go for the T20). > > My first brand new ThinkPad in seven years. Woo! -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Jun 15 10:57:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA12891 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:57:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09940; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:54:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09704; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.twp-llc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09679; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.twp-llc.com (209.46.32.50) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:54:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by alpha.twp-llc.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA04595; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:54:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:54:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Shopping for a 600X? In-Reply-To: <39486D2D.DB9F616@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > All should know, the 600 is phasing out in favor of the T series.. > end of production of the 600 is june, after more than 2 million machines..! Oops, I meant to state that. The IBM rep said they would not be getting any more units in. I found the 600X to have all the features I required at avery fair price. But, for another $1000, you can get a T20 with these extra features: - 100mbps ethernet - 14.1" screen over 13.3" - ThinkLight - 700MHz vs 650 - Cool battery maintenance features - 128MB RAM vs 64 - there's got to be more, right? > the 600 has been one of IBM's best machines.. I used one during a Microsoft training seminar, and it impressed me enough to buy one. I imagine that if I had actually tried a T20 that I probably would have bought one of those... but this way, I'll have $1000 to go towards the new Transmeta CPU models coming out late this year. Chris From cph Thu Jun 15 17:21:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA16119 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:21:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21003; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:12:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20459; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20445; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:12:12 -0400 Received: from user-38ld6j8.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld6j8.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.154.104]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA14125; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006152112.RAA14125@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Bryan Jones" , "Think" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <002101bfd617$e81d7620$050a0a0a@PROXIM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: DVD on a laptop List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:47:54 -0500, Bryan Jones wrote: > because I know that a hardware decoder >requires a Zoomed Video PC Card slot What is a Zoomed Video PC Card slot? Or, what is Zoomed Video? From cph Thu Jun 15 18:51:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA16795 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:51:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02066; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:44:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01569; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01556; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:44:47 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-32.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.32]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA32555 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:44:44 +0300 Message-Id: <200006152244.BAA32555@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:44:48 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200006152112.RAA14125@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: DVD on a laptop X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zg List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 at 05:19 PM you, "Allan Ballard" , said: >What is a Zoomed Video PC Card slot? >Or, what is Zoomed Video? If you want to know whether or not your ThinkPad features ZV, see http://www.margi.com/service/compatibility_zv_notebook_for_web.html Since you appear to be an OS/2 user, you may be interested to hear that ZV cards cause problems under OS/2 (see http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/LWIK-3TXP63.html). For instance, OS/2 won't boot on my TP600E if the Margi DVD-to-Go card is inserted. HTH, Dominique From cph Thu Jun 15 21:21:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA17628 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:21:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10526; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:15:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10249; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zebra.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10233; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zebra.net (209.12.13.2 -> mail.zebra.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:14:59 -0400 Received: from PROXIM ([209.12.15.170]) by mail.zebra.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id net for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:10:50 -0500 Message-ID: <001801bfd71f$7cbecba0$050a0a0a@PROXIM> From: "Bryan Jones" To: References: <200006152244.BAA32555@mail.clinet.fi> Subject: Re: DVD on a laptop Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:14:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: A Zoomed Video PC Card is given a direct connection to the display adapter, so, an MPEG hardware decoder card, such as the Margi DVD-to-GO, will decode the mpeg with a hardware chip, instead of in software, and then dump that directly to your display adapter. Very fast. I don't know about OS2, but my Thinkpad i1480 with Win98 was not listed on that Margi ZV list, but it still worked. You just have to use the proper drivers for your display hardware. I tried the drivers that came with my card and they didn't work, but after uninstalling those and installing different ones from the Margi website, it worked fine. Margi gives full details on all that on their website. Good Luck! Bryan Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: Dominique Pivard To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 5:44 PM Subject: Re: DVD on a laptop > On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 at 05:19 PM you, "Allan Ballard" > , said: > > >What is a Zoomed Video PC Card slot? > >Or, what is Zoomed Video? > > If you want to know whether or not your ThinkPad features ZV, see > http://www.margi.com/service/compatibility_zv_notebook_for_web.html > > Since you appear to be an OS/2 user, you may be interested to hear that ZV > cards cause problems under OS/2 (see > http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/LWIK-3TXP63.html). For instance, OS/2 > won't boot on my TP600E if the Margi DVD-to-Go card is inserted. > > HTH, Dominique > > From cph Fri Jun 16 01:34:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA18866 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:34:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20652; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:27:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20447; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20433; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (149.174.206.155 -> ds-img-rel-2.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:27:07 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id BAA26608 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-gbz-vty8.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-gbz-vty8.as.wcom.net [216.192.159.8]) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA26601 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 00:26:08 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.44) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1661209134.20000616002608@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM Can's Sell Me A Part Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello ThinkPad Users, I ran into a bit of difficulty. After wondering for years about all the whiners talking about how they broke the little plastic covers over their I/O ports, I broke one of mine. It's the one over the RS-232 port on my 770ED. Well, I figured "How much could it cost?" and went to the IBM web site to find out. There, I found a very pretty exploded diagram of the 770 family. It informed me such things as what part was my "screen" and my "keyboard". However, it got downright vague when it came to the identity of little parts that I didn't already know the name / number for. I did find two likely looking parts (12J0419 and 12J0420) from their descriptions of "I/O Door (Left)" and "I/O Door (Right)". However, there did not seem to be any indication as to the relative orientation of machine and viewer which would allow me to determine which door was the "right" one to order. After a while, I gave up and phoned IBM. I found out that the friendly lady at the parts department knew even less about the matter than I did. She was able to tell me that one of the parts was about $5 and the other was a bit over $30. This confused me even further, since the two doors I have in mind aren't that different. So, she passed me to ThinkPad tech support. They didn't know anything about it, either. Neither the first line person nor the people he asked knew which door I want to order. BTW, the parts line's prompt system informed me that they are only doing cheap, slow-boat shipments through the end of this week. After that, there is vague mention of a special handling charge and how all parts will be shipped via rapid / expensive carrier. Wonderful. Later in the day, I got a call from someone wanting to know how satisfied I was with my service experience, on a 1 to 5 scale. Since I never got an answer, I had to give them a zero. Oh, well. Maybe later this Summer, I'll get myself an A20P and I won't have any plastic covers to break. If only I could get one with as large a capacity HD as I have in my 770ED.... Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. iQA/AwUBOUm6WG8pw+2/9pUJEQL/DgCggYEvFjKL2mF3i0kZk8EbD6g+z3cAnjEK KsRN/ZV6NwbuFXtD+WNQwHRG =LVIo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Fri Jun 16 01:46:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA18922 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:46:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21231; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:40:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21117; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21104; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.106 -> pilot006.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:40:15 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port08.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.9]) by pilot006.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA12508 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:40:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000616013534.00e5ea10@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:40:05 -0400 To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: IBM Can's Sell Me A Part In-Reply-To: <1661209134.20000616002608@falkor.chi.il.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I've had this happen to me, too. Two possibilities for you are to call IBM again, and see if the next person doesn't do better. I have done that and have gotten completely different results. The second one is to try bluestarusa.com who friends have told me have consistently gotten them little IBM parts in the past. Good luck. I know the complete sense of frustration in getting small parts like that--I once had to spend 8 hours talking to Sony to get a part to fix a CD player. Aiiiieeeeee! --STeve Andre' At 12:26 AM 6/16/00 -0500, Ronald W. Heiby wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Hello ThinkPad Users, > >I ran into a bit of difficulty. After wondering for years about all >the whiners talking about how they broke the little plastic covers >over their I/O ports, I broke one of mine. > >It's the one over the RS-232 port on my 770ED. Well, I figured "How >much could it cost?" and went to the IBM web site to find out. There, >I found a very pretty exploded diagram of the 770 family. It informed >me such things as what part was my "screen" and my "keyboard". >However, it got downright vague when it came to the identity of little >parts that I didn't already know the name / number for. I did find two >likely looking parts (12J0419 and 12J0420) from their descriptions of >"I/O Door (Left)" and "I/O Door (Right)". However, there did not seem >to be any indication as to the relative orientation of machine and >viewer which would allow me to determine which door was the "right" >one to order. > >After a while, I gave up and phoned IBM. I found out that the friendly >lady at the parts department knew even less about the matter than I >did. She was able to tell me that one of the parts was about $5 and >the other was a bit over $30. This confused me even further, since the >two doors I have in mind aren't that different. So, she passed me to >ThinkPad tech support. > >They didn't know anything about it, either. Neither the first line >person nor the people he asked knew which door I want to order. > >BTW, the parts line's prompt system informed me that they are only >doing cheap, slow-boat shipments through the end of this week. After >that, there is vague mention of a special handling charge and how all >parts will be shipped via rapid / expensive carrier. Wonderful. > >Later in the day, I got a call from someone wanting to know how >satisfied I was with my service experience, on a 1 to 5 scale. Since I >never got an answer, I had to give them a zero. > >Oh, well. Maybe later this Summer, I'll get myself an A20P and I won't >have any plastic covers to break. If only I could get one with as >large a capacity HD as I have in my 770ED.... > >Ron. > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 >Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. > >iQA/AwUBOUm6WG8pw+2/9pUJEQL/DgCggYEvFjKL2mF3i0kZk8EbD6g+z3cAnjEK >KsRN/ZV6NwbuFXtD+WNQwHRG >=LVIo >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Fri Jun 16 05:32:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA19716 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:32:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04205; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:24:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04083; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04061; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.153 -> ds-img-7.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:24:43 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id FAA11326 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:24:13 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Aesthetics of A and T models Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200006160524_MC2-A8ED-73C1@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA19717 I have not seen either model in the flesh, and only patchy pics. However, one bad web image hinted that the new models had the chamfered base AKA the 570? I hope not as I think this looks ugly when undocked...? Mark From cph Fri Jun 16 07:46:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA20364 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:46:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08766; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:39:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08568; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-r19.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08558; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:39:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-r19.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.73 -> imo-r19.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:39:53 -0400 Received: from Kernow62@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id o.f3.92300 (4311) for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:39:44 EDT Subject: 380ED new to list To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I am new to the list, I just purchased a refurbished 380ED, don't laugh Pentium 166MX is fine for what I use it for. I run a minimum of programs, WIN95 instead of WIN98, Wordpad instead of Word, Frontpage Express instead of Frontpage I find running these pared down programs (by Windows standards) enable me to use this older slower computer. I have 80 meg of RAM, & only a 2.0 gig hard drive. I primarily use it for uploading webpages for test purposes, working on my websites, genealogy record keeping & data entry. I have a couple of questions. Does anyone have or know where I could get an owners manual for this old model, it's a 5AU? Second was there ever any kind of cover on the rear covering the monitor, serial & parallel ports? Lastly, are there any problems peculiar to this model that I should look out for? Oh, one more question, I use a PCMCIA modem, with no problems, the computer recognizes things as it should, but when I use a PCMCIA Smartmedia adapter in order to load images from my digital camera the computer doesn't even see a card, my Z50 has no trouble with this. Any ideas? Cheers, Jim Thompson Orlando, FL From cph Fri Jun 16 07:47:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA20377 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:47:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09069; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:42:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08772; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08751; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.50 -> avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:42:09 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (pool0006.cvx32-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.157.6]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA13924; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 04:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006161142.EAA13924@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David Cox" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 04:42:29 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Intro to list List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:03:38 -0400, David Cox wrote: >Hi, > I've just joined this list after purchasing a Thinkpad 730T and I'm >looking for all the info I can get on it such as OS's, tips, tricks, etc. > HI David and all, A good site is http://www.basterfield.com/tp730/ Lots of tips for the 730T/TE. As for me, I started with a 730T, and upgraded recently to a TE. Not as fast as this 701CS, but a noticable difference over the non-FPU 730T. From cph Fri Jun 16 09:55:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA20915 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:55:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18941; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:49:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18676; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18663; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:49:12 -0400 Received: from default - 63.22.251.247 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 06:48:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bfd798$938aa100$f7fb163f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: I know this is off topic, but.... Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:41:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I just could pass up sending this to you guys. The following are new Microsoft Windows messages that are under consideration. > Smash forehead on keyboard to continue. > Enter any 11-digit prime number to continue. > Press any key to continue or any other key to quit. >Press any key except... no, No, NO, NOT THAT ONE!!!! > Press Ctrl-Alt-Del now for IQ Test. > Close your eyes and press escape three times. > Bad command or file name! Go stand in the corner. > This will end your Windows session. Do you want to play another game? > Windows message: "Error saving file! Format drive now? (Y/Y)" > This is a message from God Gates: "Rebooting the world. Please log off." > To "shut down" the system, type WIN. > BREAKFAST.SYS halted...Cereal port not responding. > COFFEE.SYS missing...Insert cup in cup holder and press any key. >CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington D.C.? (Y/N) > File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N) > Bad or missing mouse. Spank the cat? (Y/N) >Runtime Error 6D at 417A:32CF: Incompetent User. > Error reading FAT record: Try the SKINNY one? (Y/N) > WinErr 16547: LPT1 not found. Use backup. (PAPER&PENCIL.SYS) > User Error: replace user. > Windows VirusScan 1.0 - "Windows found: Remove it? (Y/N)" >Welcome to Microsoft's World - Your Mortgage is Past Due... > If you are an artist, you should know that Bill Gates owns you and all your future creations. Doesn't it feel nice to have security? > Your hard drive has been scanned and all stolen software titles have been deleted. The police are on the way. Brad From cph Fri Jun 16 10:07:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA20982 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:07:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19886; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:01:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19707; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19690; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:01:27 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.216.144]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000616140125.QQFW9011.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net> for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:01:25 +0000 Message-ID: <394A3327.4E5C2246@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:01:11 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Subject: A20p Photos Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thought some of you might like to see some photos of the IBM ThinkPad A20p. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=684534&a=4985810 Birger From cph Fri Jun 16 11:51:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA21714 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:51:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01486; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:48:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01208; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01185; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243 -> maynard.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:48:39 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2ive0e4.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.1.196]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA12555 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:48:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: A20p & W2K Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:50:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Anyone done a dual boot or clean install of W2K on an A20p, or perhaps a T20, yet? I am not able to get Lucent modem to work. Modem software is installed and reinstalled, but it looks like the drivers for the mini-PCI slot are not installed. There do not seem to be any specific drivers for this in any of the downloadable files at the IBM support site. Thanks, Bill Armstrong From cph Fri Jun 16 12:45:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA22088 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:45:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06752; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:39:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06436; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06422; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:39:07 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA06051; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:39:05 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA12910; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000616093302.009fbc30@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:38:51 -0700 To: "William Armstrong" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: A20p & W2K In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:50 AM 6/16/00 -0400, you wrote: >Anyone done a dual boot or clean install of W2K on an A20p, or perhaps a >T20, yet? I am not able to get Lucent modem to work. Modem software is >installed and reinstalled, but it looks like the drivers for the mini-PCI >slot are not installed. There do not seem to be any specific drivers for >this in any of the downloadable files at the IBM support site. I have installed W2K on my T20 in a dual-boot config. w/ W98 with no problems. One thing you have to be aware of (I think this applies to the A20) is that there are apparently 2 or 3 different "flavors" of Combo Ethernet/Modem cards in these things. That means you have to install not just "the" driver, but the *right* driver for the one you have. For instance, on IBM's driver site, there are drivers for both a 3Com combo card, as well as an Intel/Xircom combo card. Installing one when you have the other probably wouldn't work so well. How do you tell which you have? I had no idea, except that the pre-install of W98 listed the name/type in the drivers/device listing, so I took my cue from there. Take a look at the IBM Web site, get all the drivers you need (the right ones), and take it from there. If that's not your problem...I tried. :-) - Randy From cph Fri Jun 16 14:25:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA22976 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:25:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14905; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:18:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14629; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14615; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243 -> maynard.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:18:39 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2ive2rc.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.11.108]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA20096; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:18:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Subject: RE: A20p & W2K Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:19:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000616093302.009fbc30@127.0.0.1> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Randy, The LUCENT WinModem is listed in Win98, so that's the driver/software I have installed in W2K. This is not a combo card. They were not yet available for the A20p when I got this machine. From the first install there has been an unknown device listed in Device Manager. I'm guessing that it's the mini-PCI slot because there is nothing listed for anything like that in Device Manager. I also am having a problem, maybe related, with the Com 1 port. It has to be disabled in order to suspend in W2K. Thanks, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 12:39 PM To: William Armstrong; TP List Subject: Re: A20p & W2K At 11:50 AM 6/16/00 -0400, you wrote: >Anyone done a dual boot or clean install of W2K on an A20p, or perhaps a >T20, yet? I am not able to get Lucent modem to work. Modem software is >installed and reinstalled, but it looks like the drivers for the mini-PCI >slot are not installed. There do not seem to be any specific drivers for >this in any of the downloadable files at the IBM support site. I have installed W2K on my T20 in a dual-boot config. w/ W98 with no problems. One thing you have to be aware of (I think this applies to the A20) is that there are apparently 2 or 3 different "flavors" of Combo Ethernet/Modem cards in these things. That means you have to install not just "the" driver, but the *right* driver for the one you have. For instance, on IBM's driver site, there are drivers for both a 3Com combo card, as well as an Intel/Xircom combo card. Installing one when you have the other probably wouldn't work so well. How do you tell which you have? I had no idea, except that the pre-install of W98 listed the name/type in the drivers/device listing, so I took my cue from there. Take a look at the IBM Web site, get all the drivers you need (the right ones), and take it from there. If that's not your problem...I tried. :-) - Randy From cph Fri Jun 16 19:14:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA25127 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:14:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06904; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:05:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06649; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06636; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:05:40 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-134.gate.net [199.227.20.197]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA39086; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:05:36 -0400 Message-ID: <394AB2C8.E1642A2@gate.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:05:44 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: Aesthetics of A and T models References: <200006160524_MC2-A8ED-73C1@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: they are all like that now.. Mark Gardiner wrote: > I have not seen either model in the flesh, and only patchy pics. However, > one bad web image hinted that the new models had the chamfered base AKA the > 570? I hope not as I think this looks ugly when undocked...? > > Mark -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri Jun 16 19:18:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA25149 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:18:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07521; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:11:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07306; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07293; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.121 -> pilot021.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:11:56 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (symposium.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.43]) by pilot021.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA115248; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:11:53 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000616191038.00dc1840@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:12:01 -0400 To: thinkPad Mailing List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Aesthetics of A and T models Cc: thinkpad In-Reply-To: <394AB2C8.E1642A2@gate.net> References: <200006160524_MC2-A8ED-73C1@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Can *any* ThinkPad look anything but beautiful? ;-) --STeve ps: or at least cute At 07:05 PM 6/16/00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >they are all like that now.. > >Mark Gardiner wrote: > > > I have not seen either model in the flesh, and only patchy pics. However, > > one bad web image hinted that the new models had the chamfered base AKA the > > 570? I hope not as I think this looks ugly when undocked...? > > > > Mark > >-- >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri Jun 16 19:18:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA25157 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:18:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07431; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:11:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07261; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07248; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:11:48 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-134.gate.net [199.227.20.197]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA128070; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:11:45 -0400 Message-ID: <394AB43A.ABE646D1@gate.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:11:54 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kernow62@aol.com CC: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 380ED new to list References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jim.. Kernow62@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I am new to the list, I just purchased a refurbished 380ED, don't laugh > Pentium 166MX is fine for what I use it for. I run a minimum of programs, > WIN95 instead of WIN98, Wordpad instead of Word, Frontpage Express instead of > Frontpage I find running these pared down programs (by Windows standards) > enable me to use this older slower computer. I have 80 meg of RAM, & only a > 2.0 gig hard drive. > and you sleep in a small room on a wood bench with a block of mahogony for your head, you eat gruel, and wear monastic robes.. :-) okok, just kidding.. > > I primarily use it for uploading webpages for test purposes, working on my > websites, genealogy record keeping & data entry. > > I have a couple of questions. Does anyone have or know where I could get an > owners manual for this old model, it's a 5AU? Second was there ever any kind > of cover on the rear covering the monitor, serial & parallel ports? Lastly, > are there any problems peculiar to this model that I should look out for? > manuals are available on the IBM web site.. look for the hardware manuals, should do for your needs.. > > Oh, one more question, I use a PCMCIA modem, with no problems, the computer > recognizes things as it should, but when I use a PCMCIA Smartmedia adapter in > order to load images from my digital camera the computer doesn't even see a > card, my Z50 has no trouble with this. Any ideas? > hmm, hard one without being there.. should see it as an additional storage device.. for the time being, send'em via the z50.. :-) or get the floppy/smart media interface.. looks like a floppy diskette.. insert smart media card, insert floppy, VIOLA!! files there..! > > Cheers, > > Jim Thompson > Orlando, FL -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri Jun 16 19:22:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA25183 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:22:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08214; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:16:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08031; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08018; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:16:03 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-134.gate.net [199.227.20.197]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA40940; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:15:59 -0400 Message-ID: <394AB537.453792B9@gate.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:16:07 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: William Armstrong , TP List Subject: Re: A20p & W2K References: <4.2.0.58.20000616093302.009fbc30@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: there are two combo cards.. the intel ships with the A20p (and others, i suppose), the 3com is the aftermarket.. both are the same (winModem (ugh)) both cost the same.. hardware detection should tell you which is in there, otherwise open it up and LooK.. :-) there is a system to restore the w2k preload that uses two CD's, one for w2k and one for all the drivers and apps.. Randal Whittle wrote: > At 11:50 AM 6/16/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Anyone done a dual boot or clean install of W2K on an A20p, or perhaps a > >T20, yet? I am not able to get Lucent modem to work. Modem software is > >installed and reinstalled, but it looks like the drivers for the mini-PCI > >slot are not installed. There do not seem to be any specific drivers for > >this in any of the downloadable files at the IBM support site. > > I have installed W2K on my T20 in a dual-boot config. w/ W98 with > no problems. > > One thing you have to be aware of (I think this applies to the > A20) is that there are apparently 2 or 3 different "flavors" of Combo > Ethernet/Modem cards in these things. That means you have to install not > just "the" driver, but the *right* driver for the one you have. > > For instance, on IBM's driver site, there are drivers for both a > 3Com combo card, as well as an Intel/Xircom combo card. Installing one > when you have the other probably wouldn't work so well. > > How do you tell which you have? I had no idea, except that the > pre-install of W98 listed the name/type in the drivers/device listing, so I > took my cue from there. > > Take a look at the IBM Web site, get all the drivers you need (the > right ones), and take it from there. > > If that's not your problem...I tried. :-) > > - Randy -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri Jun 16 19:26:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA25207 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:26:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08941; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:19:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08724; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08703; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (209.187.11.98 -> nyc-28-h-98.nyc.dsl.cerfnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:19:33 -0400 Received: from miles ([10.0.0.67]) by coppi.networktest.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA16641 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:21:18 -0500 Reply-To: From: "David Newman" To: Subject: testing out w2k upgrade Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:19:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: apologies for a post that's both somewhat off-topic and has probably been asked before, but I gotta know: Has anyone tried using IBM's W2K "upgrade" CD to install W2K on a machine other than the ThinkPad it's intended for? I have a couple of Dell test boxes in the office to play with, and I'd like to verify that certain apps run under w2k before upgrading my Thinkpad. I have a 600E, and this CD is the free "upgrade" (total reinstall is more like it) that IBM offered recent buyers of Thinkpads with NT4 preinstalled. thanks dn From cph Fri Jun 16 21:07:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA25690 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:07:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14199; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:58:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13946; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13928; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:58:22 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id UAA29011; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:58:20 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id UAA11063; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000616175517.015e7c98@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:56:28 -0700 To: penzance@gate.net, TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Winmodem? (Was: A20p & W2K) In-Reply-To: <394AB537.453792B9@gate.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20000616093302.009fbc30@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 07:16 PM 6/16/2000 -0400, you wrote: >there are two combo cards.. >the intel ships with the A20p (and others, i suppose), the 3com is the >aftermarket.. >both are the same (winModem (ugh)) both cost the same.. I had the distinct impression that the Xircom (the other half of the Intel mini-PCI combo Ether/Modem card) modem in my T20 was a "real", actual modem--not a WinModem thing. Is there any way to tell? From cph Sat Jun 17 00:59:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA26447 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:59:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23313; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:49:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23041; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23027; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:49:35 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl3-57.du.gate.net [199.227.136.57]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07712; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:49:31 -0400 Message-ID: <394B0364.B04C86AC@gate.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:49:40 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dnewman@networktest.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: testing out w2k upgrade References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i used the w2k recovery CD on a different A20p than the one originally intended for, no problem, but also, not like in the past (with w98, et al.) where the result is a complete system recovery.. the w2k recovers first hands you a basic w2k OS, then you must use the software selections CD to reestablish the original apps and drivers and utilities.. David Newman wrote: > apologies for a post that's both somewhat off-topic and has probably been > asked before, but I gotta know: > > Has anyone tried using IBM's W2K "upgrade" CD to install W2K on a machine > other than the ThinkPad it's intended for? > > I have a couple of Dell test boxes in the office to play with, and I'd like > to verify that certain apps run under w2k before upgrading my Thinkpad. > > I have a 600E, and this CD is the free "upgrade" (total reinstall is more > like it) that IBM offered recent buyers of Thinkpads with NT4 preinstalled. > > thanks > > dn -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Jun 17 01:06:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA26496 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 01:06:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23791; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 01:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:56:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23518; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23505; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:56:28 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl3-57.du.gate.net [199.227.136.57]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29026; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:56:25 -0400 Message-ID: <394B0502.7384BABA@gate.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:56:34 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: Winmodem? (Was: A20p & W2K) References: <4.2.0.58.20000616093302.009fbc30@127.0.0.1> <4.2.0.58.20000616175517.015e7c98@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I called IBM and asked.. after some period of time on hold, and some consultations with 2nd level support, i was informed that there is no difference, at all, between the two.. my guess is production capacity or deliver or the like for the two different part numbers.. Randal Whittle wrote: > At 07:16 PM 6/16/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >there are two combo cards.. > >the intel ships with the A20p (and others, i suppose), the 3com is the > >aftermarket.. > >both are the same (winModem (ugh)) both cost the same.. > > I had the distinct impression that the Xircom (the other half of > the Intel mini-PCI combo Ether/Modem card) modem in my T20 was a "real", > actual modem--not a WinModem thing. > > Is there any way to tell? -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Jun 17 20:15:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA30198 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:15:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00921; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:10:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00633; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out.visi.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00618; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out.visi.com (209.98.98.22 -> kauket.visi.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:10:13 -0400 Received: from deuce (170-101.dynamic.visi.com [209.98.170.101]) by mail-out.visi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id ECDC23A54; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 19:10:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002b01bfd8c1$fd9ee540$65aa62d1@deuce> From: "Chris Schumann" To: , References: Subject: Re: testing out w2k upgrade Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 19:10:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: You can get an evaluation copy of Win2k (pro and advanced server) from Microsoft for very little money. They expire 120 days after installation and may be upgraded using the real product. Sounds like a perfect application for you. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Newman To: Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 5:19 PM Subject: testing out w2k upgrade > > apologies for a post that's both somewhat off-topic and has probably been > asked before, but I gotta know: > > Has anyone tried using IBM's W2K "upgrade" CD to install W2K on a machine > other than the ThinkPad it's intended for? > > I have a couple of Dell test boxes in the office to play with, and I'd like > to verify that certain apps run under w2k before upgrading my Thinkpad. > > I have a 600E, and this CD is the free "upgrade" (total reinstall is more > like it) that IBM offered recent buyers of Thinkpads with NT4 preinstalled. > > thanks > > dn > > From cph Sun Jun 18 12:49:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA09755 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:49:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03944; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:44:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03748; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.visi.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03735; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.visi.com (209.98.98.3 -> baal.visi.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:44:50 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (170-59.dynamic.visi.com [209.98.170.59]) by mail.visi.com (8.8.8/8.7.5) with SMTP id LAA18269 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 11:44:48 -0500 (CDT) Posted-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 11:44:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001001bfd944$ebe63780$3baa62d1@oemcomputer> From: "Chris Schumann" To: Subject: Networking Option Question Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 11:47:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Now that I've got my spiffy 600X, I will need to be connecting it to networks when at clients' sites. For that I'll need a NIC, and would appreciate suggestions with these requirements in mind: Now using Win98, but will be using Win2000 and Linux as well. 600X has CardBus slots, but my old 365XD has 16-bit slots only. So I think I've narrowed the field to LinkSys and perhaps D-Link. Other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Also, I'll be bringing the machine home every night and would rather avoid the hassles of cables, so I'm left with a docking station or IrDA. I would appreciate it if anyone who has used IrDA would let me know your thoughts on how easy it is to use and how well (or not) it performs, and lastly, what is out there for me to use to connect my laptop to my LAN via IrDA. I'd be happy to summarize results if anyone is interested. Many thanks, Chris Schumann (750P, 365XD and 600X owner) From cph Sun Jun 18 12:57:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA09770 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:57:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04626; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:55:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04466; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04453; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy2.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:55:23 -0400 Received: from ann (th-en137-062.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.55.62]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id JAA26607; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 09:53:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert Nicholson" To: "Andrew G. Malis" , Subject: RE: T20 Win2K Antivirus SW? Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:55:22 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000612064618.027c25c0@alpo.casc.com> List-Unsubscribe: I'd like to ask if there's any that works with IMAP. ie. NAV doesn't it only has a POP proxy. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:amalis@mail.com] > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 12:02 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Cc: amalis@mail.com > Subject: T20 Win2K Antivirus SW? > > > I'm very patiently waiting for my T20 w/Win2K (2647-84U) to > arrive from IBM. > > Meanwhile, having had zero experience with Win2K, I thought I > would ask for > a recommendation for the "best" Win2K antivirus SW. > > I'm currently using Network Associates (McAfee) VirusScan on my TP 600 > running NT 4.0, and I'm unhappy enough with it to look elsewhere > for my new > machine. It occasionally starts eating up all of the processor, > and can't > be killed from the task manager - I have to reboot to recover. > > Anyway, any and all recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Andy > From cph Sun Jun 18 22:02:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA11707 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:02:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19905; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:58:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19632; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19619; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:58:32 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA14630; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 15:58:16 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001401bfd992$0698e800$d65c1c3f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Chris Schumann" , References: <001001bfd944$ebe63780$3baa62d1@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Networking Option Question Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 15:59:35 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I used to use IrDA to connect my TP560 to my office network. (To do this, I used DUS on one laptop which was hardwired to the net and running a proxy server, DUN on my TP560, and 'virtual' modem drivers under W95 to tell both machines that the IrDA ports were modems.) Extraordinarily convenient, and cost nothing, but was slow for anything other than email and simple web surfing (in practice about 3 times as fast as a good 28.8 modem connection). - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schumann" To: Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 6:47 AM Subject: Networking Option Question Now that I've got my spiffy 600X, I will need to be connecting it to networks when at clients' sites. For that I'll need a NIC, and would appreciate suggestions with these requirements in mind: Now using Win98, but will be using Win2000 and Linux as well. 600X has CardBus slots, but my old 365XD has 16-bit slots only. So I think I've narrowed the field to LinkSys and perhaps D-Link. Other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Also, I'll be bringing the machine home every night and would rather avoid the hassles of cables, so I'm left with a docking station or IrDA. I would appreciate it if anyone who has used IrDA would let me know your thoughts on how easy it is to use and how well (or not) it performs, and lastly, what is out there for me to use to connect my laptop to my LAN via IrDA. I'd be happy to summarize results if anyone is interested. Many thanks, Chris Schumann (750P, 365XD and 600X owner) From cph Sun Jun 18 22:25:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA11824 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:25:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20921; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:22:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20818; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20804; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:22:49 -0400 Received: from uniblab (equate2 [146.88.1.22]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA29478 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:22:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <004701bfd995$3ccebf00$16015892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: Subject: 600X Win98SE sound Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:22:36 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Either I keep losing my hearing, or my 600X keeps losing its voice. :-) About 20% of the time I start it up it either loses the Sounds (the ones listed in the Sounds control panel device) at some point while I am using it, or, once in a while, it doesn't even make the Windows Startup sound. No Sounds, DVD sound with DVDExpress, or MP3 sound with Windows Media Player. But CDs using the stock Windows CD player play OK, I can hear the modem dial, and I get the beeps when I insert or remove PC-cards. If I try to play a sound from the control panel device it looks like it is playing (the play button stays grayed out for the length of the .wav), but nothing comes out. I've tried Refreshing/restarting everything I can think of, but no joy. The only way to fix it is to reboot, which fixes it about 98% of the time. As far as I know I have all of the latest driver updates, but this was even happening before the latest round of updates (when the T & A machines came out :-). Is anyone else having this problem? Thanks! Bob From cph Sun Jun 18 22:34:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA11870 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:34:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21482; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:31:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21379; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21364; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:31:30 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id WAA24266; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:31:28 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id WAA17894; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000618192930.017136d0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:30:42 -0700 To: "Bob Greschke" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: 600X Win98SE sound In-Reply-To: <004701bfd995$3ccebf00$16015892@aoc.nrao.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I had this problem a couple of times with the TP600. I don't know what caused it (though I suspect it was driver corruption from freezes/improper shutdowns. What worked for me was to do a complete uninstall of the sound drivers and then a fresh install of the drivers (get the current ones from IBM's site). - Randy At 08:22 PM 6/18/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Either I keep losing my hearing, or my 600X keeps losing its >voice. :-) About 20% of the time I start it up it either >loses the Sounds (the ones listed in the Sounds control >panel device) at some point while I am using it, or, once in >a while, it doesn't even make the Windows Startup sound. No >Sounds, DVD sound with DVDExpress, or MP3 sound with Windows >Media Player. But CDs using the stock Windows CD player >play OK, I can hear the modem dial, and I get the beeps when >I insert or remove PC-cards. If I try to play a sound from >the control panel device it looks like it is playing (the >play button stays grayed out for the length of the .wav), >but nothing comes out. I've tried Refreshing/restarting >everything I can think of, but no joy. The only way to fix >it is to reboot, which fixes it about 98% of the time. As >far as I know I have all of the latest driver updates, but >this was even happening before the latest round of updates >(when the T & A machines came out :-). > >Is anyone else having this problem? > >Thanks! > >Bob > > From cph Sun Jun 18 22:51:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA11932 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:51:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22292; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:48:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22185; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22172; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:48:22 -0400 Received: from uniblab (equate3 [146.88.1.23]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA00256 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:48:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002d01bfd998$d2b81900$17015892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: "TP List" References: <4.2.0.58.20000618192930.017136d0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: 600X Win98SE sound Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:48:16 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: > I have the same problem. I've noticed that when I boot up with a phone line > plugged into the Lucent Winmodem, it happens more often.. So far, I always > try to boot up without a phone line, and it hasn't happened since. > > - David Oooo. I'll watch for that one. Except this also happens at work where I am connected straight to the network. I'll leave that disconnected while it's booting too. > I had this problem a couple of times with the TP600. I don't know what > caused it (though I suspect it was driver corruption from freezes/improper > shutdowns. > > What worked for me was to do a complete uninstall of the sound drivers and > then a fresh install of the drivers (get the current ones >from IBM's site). > > - Randy Yeah, it weird in that sometimes it boots up bad, and sometimes it happens after it has been up and running for a while. I reinstalled everything, but I don't think I uninstalled everything first. I'll try it. At least I'm not alone OR going crazy. :-) Thanks! Bob From cph Mon Jun 19 00:27:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA12270 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:27:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25828; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:24:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25649; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25636; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:24:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA06281; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:24:22 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:24:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Bob Greschke cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 600X Win98SE sound In-Reply-To: <004701bfd995$3ccebf00$16015892@aoc.nrao.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Bob, I have this problem on a T20 with Win98SE. In fact I almost called IBM for warranty service because the sound hardware was dead. Then it suddenly started working again. Twice the sound died, dead through reboots and refreshes and triple checking the mute function was not enabled! Then all of a sudden it works again. This happend the first week I had the T20, and has not happened since. On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Bob Greschke wrote: > voice. :-) About 20% of the time I start it up it either > loses the Sounds (the ones listed in the Sounds control > panel device) at some point while I am using it, or, once in > a while, it doesn't even make the Windows Startup sound. No -- Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Mon Jun 19 03:01:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA12729 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:01:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29707; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:59:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29443; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29417; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:59:04 -0400 Received: from uniblab (equate1 [146.88.1.21]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA06478 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002601bfd9bb$d78088a0$15015892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: Subject: Hitachi disk drive rattle Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:58:11 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: If I take my 600X's drive out and just tilt it around (certainly if I shake it) it sounds like there is a paper clip, or something, loose inside it. Is that normal? It's the 12GB model. I'm going to register this: "My old Toshiba never did that!"(R) :-) Bob From cph Mon Jun 19 03:02:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA12733 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:01:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29711; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:59:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29412; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29396; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:59:01 -0400 Received: from uniblab (equate1 [146.88.1.21]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA06474 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:58:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002501bfd9bb$d6325dc0$15015892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: References: Subject: Re: 600X Win98SE sound Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:54:51 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitchell Leben" > I have this problem on a T20 with Win98SE. In fact I almost called IBM for > warranty service because the sound hardware was dead. Then it suddenly > started working again. Maybe I will give them a buzz... From: "Steve C." > Oddly enough I had that problem with Win98SE on my > desktop computer using a Soundblaster-16 card, not a > Thinkpad. Never did find out exactly what caused it > but I think it has something to do with Win98SE. That's another data point. I think these crystal cards are supposed to be SoundBlaster compatible/compliant ain't they? I'll hunt through MS's knowledgebase too. Thanks guys! Bob From cph Mon Jun 19 04:32:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA12994 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:32:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04198; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:27:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04037; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04023; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:27:49 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl3-40.du.gate.net [199.227.136.40]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA49876; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:27:46 -0400 Message-ID: <394DCC22.2D21863B@gate.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:30:42 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Greschke CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hitachi disk drive rattle References: <002601bfd9bb$d78088a0$15015892@aoc.nrao.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bob... ALL new generation HDD's rattle.. :-) IBM, Toshiba and the Hitachi's IBM has been using in recent 600's.. Bob Greschke wrote: > If I take my 600X's drive out and just tilt it around > (certainly if I shake it) it sounds like there is a paper > clip, or something, loose inside it. Is that normal? It's > the 12GB model. > > I'm going to register this: "My old Toshiba never did > that!"(R) :-) > > Bob -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Jun 19 05:34:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA13209 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:34:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10357; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:29:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10195; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaad.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10182; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaad.compuserve.com (149.174.206.137 -> ds-img-4.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:29:27 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaad.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id FAA04381 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:29:11 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Min TPAD spec for Office2K ?? Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200006190529_MC2-A940-7DC2@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA13210 Hi everyone, >From experience, what do you think the min spec should be for a glitch-free installation and implementtion of Office 2K ?? I have someone doubting whether W98 and O2K will work well enough on a 760XD with 64Mb and 2Gb HDD ?? I think it will be fine?? Cheers Mark From cph Mon Jun 19 09:43:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA14246 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:43:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19936; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:41:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19670; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19647; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:41:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA15527; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:41:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:41:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Bob Greschke cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hitachi disk drive rattle In-Reply-To: <002601bfd9bb$d78088a0$15015892@aoc.nrao.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: The 12GB drive in my T20 does the same thing. Sounds terrible, though I think it is normal. On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Bob Greschke wrote: > If I take my 600X's drive out and just tilt it around > (certainly if I shake it) it sounds like there is a paper > clip, or something, loose inside it. Is that normal? It's > the 12GB model. -- Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Mon Jun 19 09:58:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA14351 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:58:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21187; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:57:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21018; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21005; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:57:00 -0400 Received: from jamesmau (mmax51.vramp.net [198.138.8.114]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA44726; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:55:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Mark Gardiner" <100550.3170@compuserve.com>, "thinkpad" Subject: RE: Min TPAD spec for Office2K ?? Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:55:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200006190529_MC2-A940-7DC2@compuserve.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi Mark, Mark Gardiner [mailto:100550.3170@compuserve.com] wrote: > From experience, what do you think the min spec should be for a > glitch-free > installation and implementtion of Office 2K ?? > > I have someone doubting whether W98 and O2K will work well enough on a > 760XD with 64Mb and 2Gb HDD ?? I'm think it will be fine as well Mark. I'm dual booting a TP755CD (P75, 40MB RAM, 4.1GB HD) and have a full install of Office2K on it that is working just fine. Regards, James From cph Mon Jun 19 13:25:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA16097 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:25:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25656; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:22:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25359; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.twp-llc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25335; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.twp-llc.com (209.46.32.50) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:22:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by alpha.twp-llc.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA26700; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:21:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:21:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: David Ross cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Networking Option Question In-Reply-To: <001401bfd992$0698e800$d65c1c3f@math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, David Ross wrote: > I used to use IrDA to connect my TP560 to my office network. (To do > this, I used DUS on one laptop which was hardwired to the net and > running a proxy server, DUN on my TP560, and 'virtual' modem drivers > under W95 to tell both machines that the IrDA ports were modems.) > Extraordinarily convenient, and cost nothing, but was slow for > anything other than email and simple web surfing (in practice about > 3 times as fast as a good 28.8 modem connection). Thanks, David. Was the speed limited to 155k by the other IrDA port? The older ports only go that fast. As far as connection points, I've only found one by Extended Systems so far for about $269. Ugh. What about NIC's, gentle readers? Is Linksys a good product? Should I get Cardbus for performance or PCMCIA for compatibility? Or one of each? Anyone seen good prices out there? Thanks, Chris From cph Mon Jun 19 15:23:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16959 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:23:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05052; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:18:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04838; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04798; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:18:08 -0400 Thread-Index: Ab/aE3AczTKiQuI+TdWnzl7NoOZHLAAD0afA Thread-Topic: Networking Option Question X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Chris Schumann" Cc: Subject: RE: Networking Option Question Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:15:58 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A086CB6@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA16960 Re: NICs. I really like my Xircom. No dongle. No XJack. I really like it. Works fine with Win2k and Win98, BTW. Dunno about other OSs. ssh -----Original Message----- From: Chris Schumann [mailto:chris@twp-llc.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:22 AM To: David Ross Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Networking Option Question On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, David Ross wrote: > I used to use IrDA to connect my TP560 to my office network. (To do > this, I used DUS on one laptop which was hardwired to the net and > running a proxy server, DUN on my TP560, and 'virtual' modem drivers > under W95 to tell both machines that the IrDA ports were modems.) > Extraordinarily convenient, and cost nothing, but was slow for > anything other than email and simple web surfing (in practice about > 3 times as fast as a good 28.8 modem connection). Thanks, David. Was the speed limited to 155k by the other IrDA port? The older ports only go that fast. As far as connection points, I've only found one by Extended Systems so far for about $269. Ugh. What about NIC's, gentle readers? Is Linksys a good product? Should I get Cardbus for performance or PCMCIA for compatibility? Or one of each? Anyone seen good prices out there? Thanks, Chris From cph Mon Jun 19 15:27:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16987 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:27:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05771; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:25:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05579; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05565; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:25:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32091; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:25:33 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Networking Option Question In-Reply-To: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A086CB6@houdini.accumedia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: The Xircom works well with NT 4.0 Workstation (SP3 or SP6) as well as Win95 and OS/2 Warp 4. Don't know about other OS's. -- David Goldman On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Steve Hultquist wrote: > Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:15:58 -0600 > From: Steve Hultquist > To: Chris Schumann > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: Networking Option Question > > Re: NICs. I really like my Xircom. No dongle. No XJack. I really like > it. > > Works fine with Win2k and Win98, BTW. Dunno about other OSs. > > ssh > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Schumann [mailto:chris@twp-llc.com] > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:22 AM > To: David Ross > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Networking Option Question > > > On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, David Ross wrote: > > > I used to use IrDA to connect my TP560 to my office network. (To do > > this, I used DUS on one laptop which was hardwired to the net and > > running a proxy server, DUN on my TP560, and 'virtual' modem drivers > > under W95 to tell both machines that the IrDA ports were modems.) > > Extraordinarily convenient, and cost nothing, but was slow for > > anything other than email and simple web surfing (in practice about > > 3 times as fast as a good 28.8 modem connection). > > Thanks, David. Was the speed limited to 155k by the other IrDA port? The > older ports only go that fast. > > As far as connection points, I've only found one by Extended Systems so > far for about $269. Ugh. > > What about NIC's, gentle readers? Is Linksys a good product? Should I > get Cardbus for performance or PCMCIA for compatibility? Or one of > each? Anyone seen good prices out there? > > Thanks, > Chris > > > From cph Mon Jun 19 15:47:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17166 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:47:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08000; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:44:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07603; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07590; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:44:41 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA16535 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:44:37 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001301bfda26$fd87a180$0a62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: [TP755, TP365] A couple of deals spotted Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:45:51 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I was just looking for something at http://www.consumerdepot.com and saw there a TP365 port replicator for $20 and a (NIMH) battery 85G1513, which I think is for a TP755, for about the same. Alas, the only thing they had there that I could use is a notebook lock kit, which at $3 is certainly much less than S&H would be (I think they use UPS, which is $$$ to Hawaii). However, if anyone who finds this pointer useful wants to buy a couple and mail them to me...:-) - David R. From cph Mon Jun 19 15:48:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17176 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:48:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08280; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:46:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07906; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07890; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:46:16 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA16546; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:46:09 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001401bfda27$35165920$0a62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Chris Schumann" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Networking Option Question Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:47:28 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "Thanks, David. Was the speed limited to 155k by the other IrDA port? The older ports only go that fast." Both ports had this limitation, but even with the new faster ports one is limited by the driver; I don't know if MS has finally released drivers that exploit the speed of the faster ports, but they hadn't when I was doing this. "What about NIC's, gentle readers? Is Linksys a good product? Should I get Cardbus for performance or PCMCIA for compatibility? Or one of each? Anyone seen good prices out there?" Obviously depends on your plans. If you will be moving huge hunks of data around, or running remote control programs (VNC, PCAnywhere, etc), cardbus is the way to go, as long as you plan to connect to other equally fast machines. For things like email and web surfing, the pcmcia interface is not going to be the bottleneck; you might as buy cheaper cards then use the leftover money to buy extra cables you can leave in your office. - David R. From cph Mon Jun 19 16:34:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17571 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:34:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13183; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:31:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12877; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12867; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:31:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-Id: <200006192031.QAA12867@cs.utk.edu> Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.4 -> imo14.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:31:54 -0400 Received: from JWeinst436@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id o.20.777926d (5713) for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web50.aolmail.aol.com (web50.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.11]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v74.10) with ESMTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:31:49 -0400 Date: Mon Jun 19 16:31:49 2000 Subject: Unsubscribe To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph Mon Jun 19 17:45:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA18118 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:45:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20287; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:42:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19985; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19968; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:42:09 -0400 Received: from [216.59.0.202] (216.59.0.202) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.1.034) id 394E7711000069FB; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:41:03 -0700 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001301bfda26$fd87a180$0a62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:40:28 -0700 To: "David Ross" From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: Re: [TP755, TP365] A couple of deals spotted Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu List-Unsubscribe: >I was just looking for something at http://www.consumerdepot.com and saw >there a TP365 port replicator for $20 and a (NIMH) battery 85G1513, >which I think is for a TP755, for about the same. Thanks David...I have a 365X and the port replicator is something I have been looking for. --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! Coming soon: MsGeek.Org -- At last, a geek news site FOR US! Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Tue Jun 20 03:26:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA20899 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 03:26:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15846; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 03:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 03:20:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15410; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 03:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15397; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 03:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 03:20:18 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15341 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:20:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <394F1ADD.2D247B24@stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:18:53 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Free fax software - recommendations? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello all, Does anyone have any suggestions for free fax software? I have been trying to get by with Win95's built-in software, but it sucks IMHO. I run Win95 OSR 2.1 on my 560X and will not upgrade the OS. My modem is a Dell-branded Megahertz XJ2144 PCMCIA unit. Every time I try to fax something it's a struggle to get the $#$@%! fax program going. If there's a problem I have to retype everything (I don't use Microsoft Exchange to keep any address book information). Help... TIA Benjamin -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (68k/PPC) or PC without IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Tue Jun 20 04:35:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA21110 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:35:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19978; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:30:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19704; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19681; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:30:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA73348; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:31:46 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:31:46 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Benjamin Koh cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Free fax software - recommendations? In-Reply-To: <394F1ADD.2D247B24@stanford.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Benjamin Koh wrote: > Hello all, > Does anyone have any suggestions for free fax software? I have been > trying to get by with Win95's built-in software, but it sucks IMHO. I > run Win95 OSR 2.1 on my 560X and will not upgrade the OS. My modem is a > Dell-branded Megahertz XJ2144 PCMCIA unit. Every time I try to fax > something it's a struggle to get the $#$@%! fax program going. If > there's a problem I have to retype everything (I don't use Microsoft > Exchange to keep any address book information). Help... Not really. WinFaxPro 10 seems to be the only good one that's commercial. Speaking about WinFaxPro10, has anyone here successfully used the Fax by Email feature? I'm trying to do the SMTP setup and somehow it doesn't work correctly. for the login, I just put down my username or does it ahve to be username@domain? Thanks. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Tue Jun 20 10:24:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA22523 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:24:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09193; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:21:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08956; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.twp-llc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08874; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.twp-llc.com (209.46.32.50) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:21:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by alpha.twp-llc.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA30629; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:19:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:19:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: David Ross cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Networking Option Question In-Reply-To: <001401bfda27$35165920$0a62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, David Ross wrote: > Obviously depends on your plans. If you will be moving huge hunks > of data around, or running remote control programs (VNC, PCAnywhere, > etc), cardbus is the way to go, as long as you plan to connect to > other equally fast machines. For things like email and web surfing, > the pcmcia interface is not going to be the bottleneck; you might as > buy cheaper cards then use the leftover money to buy extra cables > you can leave in your office. 10/100 NICs are available for both CardBus and PCMCIA, so they should each perform as well on the wire. However, I would hope that a bus-mastering cardbus card would consume much less CPU while doing that. The Linksys cards are all within $10 of each other at It looks like Linksys Cardbus is it, folks. They have drivers for 98, NT, 2000 and Linux, and are pretty darned reasonable in price as well, and have a five year warranty. I bought the PCM200 (CardBus and Integrated dongle). It's so new (or old!) that it doesn't appear on LinkSys's own web site yet. It appears to have the same internals as the PCMPC200 with external dongle version, so it had better work on Linux. Many thanks, Chris From cph Tue Jun 20 12:23:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA23212 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:23:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20223; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:19:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19856; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19773; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:19:00 -0400 Received: by porkchop.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:23:42 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'Chris Schumann'" , David Ross Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Networking Option Question Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:23:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFDAD3.E5E893C4" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFDAD3.E5E893C4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Actually, I think CardBus can achieve 100 MB throughput, while standard PCMCIA cannot. If I remember right, standard PCMCIA can achieve about 20-30 MB throughput. That's why I've never seen the need to buy a 100MB PCMCIA without going CardBus. My numbers may be somewhat flawed, but I think I'm close. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Chris Schumann [mailto:chris@twp-llc.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 9:20 AM To: David Ross Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Networking Option Question On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, David Ross wrote: > Obviously depends on your plans. If you will be moving huge hunks > of data around, or running remote control programs (VNC, PCAnywhere, > etc), cardbus is the way to go, as long as you plan to connect to > other equally fast machines. For things like email and web surfing, > the pcmcia interface is not going to be the bottleneck; you might as > buy cheaper cards then use the leftover money to buy extra cables > you can leave in your office. 10/100 NICs are available for both CardBus and PCMCIA, so they should each perform as well on the wire. However, I would hope that a bus-mastering cardbus card would consume much less CPU while doing that. The Linksys cards are all within $10 of each other at It looks like Linksys Cardbus is it, folks. They have drivers for 98, NT, 2000 and Linux, and are pretty darned reasonable in price as well, and have a five year warranty. I bought the PCM200 (CardBus and Integrated dongle). It's so new (or old!) that it doesn't appear on LinkSys's own web site yet. It appears to have the same internals as the PCMPC200 with external dongle version, so it had better work on Linux. Many thanks, Chris ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFDAD3.E5E893C4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Networking Option Question

Actually, I think CardBus can achieve 100 MB = throughput, while standard PCMCIA cannot. If I remember right, standard = PCMCIA can achieve about 20-30 MB throughput. That's why I've never = seen the need to buy a 100MB PCMCIA without going CardBus.

My numbers may be somewhat flawed, but I think I'm = close.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Schumann [mailto:chris@twp-llc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 9:20 AM
To: David Ross
Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: Networking Option Question


On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, David Ross wrote:
> Obviously depends on your plans.  If you = will be moving huge hunks
> of data around, or running remote control = programs (VNC, PCAnywhere,
> etc), cardbus is the way to go, as long as you = plan to connect to
> other equally fast machines. For things like = email and web surfing,
> the pcmcia interface is not going to be the = bottleneck; you might as
> buy cheaper cards then use the leftover money = to buy extra cables
> you can leave in your office.

10/100 NICs are available for both CardBus and = PCMCIA, so they should
each perform as well on the wire. However, I would = hope that a
bus-mastering cardbus card would consume much less = CPU while doing that.

The Linksys cards are all within $10 of each other = at

It looks like Linksys Cardbus is it, folks. They have = drivers for 98,
NT, 2000 and Linux, and are pretty darned reasonable = in price as well,
and have a five year warranty.

I bought the PCM200 (CardBus and Integrated dongle). = It's so new (or
old!) that it doesn't appear on LinkSys's own web = site yet. It appears
to have the same internals as the PCMPC200 with = external dongle version,
so it had better work on Linux.

Many thanks,
Chris

------_=_NextPart_001_01BFDAD3.E5E893C4-- From cph Tue Jun 20 13:06:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA23385 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:06:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23500; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:03:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23257; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23236; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:03:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25459; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:02:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:02:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Benjamin Koh cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Free fax software - recommendations? In-Reply-To: <394F1ADD.2D247B24@stanford.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: No freebies that I know of. I have a T20 with Win98SE, and could not get the MS fax driver to work properly. After a little searching, Winfax seems the best option. It sends OK, have not received any faxes with it yet. BTW one place to check for freeware is nonags.com. On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Benjamin Koh wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions for free fax software? I have been -- Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue Jun 20 14:28:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA23826 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:28:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00086; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:25:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29733; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29718; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (199.2.210.241 -> agora.rdrop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:25:23 -0400 Received: from fenktp (ppp-di.rdrop.com [199.2.212.51]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA04734 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:25:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fenk@agora.rdrop.com) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000620110905.00957210@agora.rdrop.com> X-Sender: fenk@agora.rdrop.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:24:01 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: John Fenk Subject: [770] Faxing - can't print to Ring Central Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I have a 770Z with Windows 98 and Ring Central 4.40.119. I can start it up and send a quick fax OK, but when I try to print from an application or even a test page from the "Ring Zero" printer, I get the standard "windows was unable to print a test page" error window. I couldn't find any help on the thinkpad support website or the ring central website. I've tried changing the port in the printer properties page to com1, com2(thinkpad modem) and FAX:, but none worked. Do you know how to make it work? If yours is working, could you tell me what the port is set to. At least knowing that might help me in troubleshooting. -- John Fenk fenk@agora.rdrop.com (503) 641-8036 From cph Tue Jun 20 15:18:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA24221 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:18:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03752; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:14:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03559; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03545; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:14:49 -0400 Received: from user-37ka1op.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37ka1op.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.7.25]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA15866; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006201914.PAA15866@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Benjamin Koh" , "Mitchell Leben" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Free fax software - recommendations? List-Unsubscribe: Will Hyperlink (free edition) send/receive faxes? Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:02:53 -0500 (CDT), Mitchell Leben wrote: >No freebies that I know of. I have a T20 with Win98SE, and could not get >the MS fax driver to work properly. After a little searching, Winfax seems >the best option. It sends OK, have not received any faxes with it yet. > >BTW one place to check for freeware is nonags.com. > >On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Benjamin Koh wrote: >> Does anyone have any suggestions for free fax software? I have been > >-- >Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing >mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send >http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com > From cph Tue Jun 20 16:20:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA24623 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:20:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09501; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:16:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09325; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09312; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:16:47 -0400 Received: from uniblab (equate2 [146.88.1.22]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA20642 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:16:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001801bfdaf4$6c036360$16015892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: References: Subject: Re: Networking Option Question Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:15:43 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: > 10/100 NICs are available for both CardBus and PCMCIA, so they should > each perform as well on the wire. However, I would hope that a > bus-mastering cardbus card would consume much less CPU while doing that. I'm not sure if this goes for NIC's, but I just replaced an Adaptec 1460 SCSI card (PCMCIA) with a 1480 (CardBus). (Adaptec is having a sale, btw.) I use SCSI for a CD-RW drive. The box for the 1480 says that it uses less power. When I would write to the drive with the 1460, and have the brightness turned down a bit on my 600X's display, the backlight would "flicker" like it was pulling a bit of power. Now when I use the 1480 there is no flickering. My laptop is just about always plugged in (except right now, as there is a thunderstorm going on), so it doesn't mean that much to me, but it really does look like the 1480 (and all CardBus cards?) uses less power. LinkSys stuff seems to be pretty reasonable. Bob From cph Wed Jun 21 11:26:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA30495 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:26:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13392; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:22:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12940; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0b.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12923; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0b.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.31 -> www0b.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:22:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 13903 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jun 2000 15:22:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20000621152235.13902.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.31 by www0b for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Wed Jun 21 15:22:35 GMT 2000 Date: 21 Jun 00 10:22:35 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Test Message X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA30496 Haven't received any list e-mails for about 24 hrs, so I'm just testing this to see if the list is still working or ??? ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Wed Jun 21 18:13:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA01375 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:13:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18265; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:10:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17913; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freenet.freenet.nireland.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17900; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freenet.freenet.nireland.com (194.46.8.30 -> freenet.nireland.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:10:12 -0400 Received: from fn6019 ([194.46.2.179]) by freenet.freenet.nireland.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 9-31337L) with SMTP id AAA347 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:10:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01bfdbcd$b3f1a540$b3022ec2@fn6019> From: c.tunnah@nireland.com (Colin Tunnah) To: Subject: Video Capture PC Card Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:10:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know of a video capture PC card that will work on a TP365XD? I don't think this machine is Zoomed Video compatible. From cph Wed Jun 21 20:19:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA02066 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:19:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26871; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:14:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26655; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web121.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26641; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web121.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.129 -> web121.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:14:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 10897 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jun 2000 00:14:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000622001411.10896.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.206.220.209] by web121.yahoomail.com; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:14:11 PDT Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:14:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Video Capture PC Card To: Colin Tunnah Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Toshiba had one that captures audio and video and will probably work. It works on my old 486 based Toshiba Satellite. They don't make them anymore but you may find one on ebay or somewhere like that. I don't remember the model number but can look it up if you want. --- Colin Tunnah wrote: > Does anyone know of a video capture PC card that > will work on a TP365XD? I > don't think this machine is Zoomed Video compatible. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Jun 22 01:23:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA03403 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:23:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10573; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:19:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10416; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10403; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:19:49 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-408.gate.net [199.227.173.154]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA65584; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:19:47 -0400 Message-ID: <3951A1FD.42ACE7A6@gate.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:19:58 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Test Message References: <20000621152235.13902.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: appears to be working.. i got my usual two copies.. :-) Rob Bell wrote: > Haven't received any list e-mails for about 24 hrs, so I'm just testing this > to see if the list is still working or ??? > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Jun 22 01:32:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA03412 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:32:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10955; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:25:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10781; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10764; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:25:07 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a13.pm3-24.theriver.com [206.102.192.29]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A1D25DF6; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:24:29 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <3951A30C.C7243D0D@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:24:28 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Goldman Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Networking Option Question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David Goldman wrote: > > The Xircom works well with NT 4.0 Workstation (SP3 or SP6) as well as > Win95 and OS/2 Warp 4. Don't know about other OS's. The Xircom RealPorts work well with Linux. I have a Xircom OEM card sold by Intel that works in a Thinkpad 760ED (and soon to be 600E) under OpenLinux 2.3 with the 2.2.10-9 kernel and pcmcia services 3.1.14. The modem portion is a little less than what I desired, but I'm passing that complaint to Intel. James Mckenzie include include From cph Thu Jun 22 01:37:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA03437 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:37:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11540; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:34:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11398; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate.rsb.ro (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11385; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate.rsb.ro (194.102.189.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:33:58 -0400 Received: from cec.ro (mail.cec.ro [194.102.189.5]) by gate.rsb.ro (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA06150 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:31:22 +0300 Received: from [10.52.6.74] (HELO tran) by cec.ro (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2) with SMTP id 640603 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:30:42 +0300 Message-ID: <010e01bfdc0b$44ea73f0$4a06340a@cec.ro> From: "Radu Harabula" To: Subject: Problem with modem on IBM ThinkPad 760ED Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:32:32 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_010B_01BFDC24.6891EB30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010B_01BFDC24.6891EB30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! I have an IBM Thinkpad 760ED and I can't see my modem (I suppose is = winmodem ). I install many S.O. (Win 95/98/NT/2000) but no results . I = try to manual install , choice from default list of Windows from IBM , = sure and all seem to by ok ; I not have any problems in Device Manager = but my modem not respond of my ATZ. I read many How to about my notebook = (all is on IBM site ) and all this documents say about Mwave~DSP . I = have read about IR port and Com1/Com2 use the same IRQ and I should = disable IR port for use Com1/Com2 (I made it with a program "ps2.exe" ) = . No results!!!!!! Can anybody help me ? Do you a link/url where I can = found same informations/programs/drivers . Best regards ! Sorry for my poor english . =20 ------=_NextPart_000_010B_01BFDC24.6891EB30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I have an IBM Thinkpad 760ED and = I can't see=20 my modem (I suppose is winmodem ). I install many S.O. (Win = 95/98/NT/2000) but=20 no results . I try to manual install , choice from default list of = Windows from=20 IBM , sure and all seem to by ok ; I not have any problems in Device = Manager but=20 my modem not respond of my ATZ. I read many How to about my notebook = (all is on=20 IBM site ) and all this documents say about Mwave~DSP . I have read = about IR=20 port and Com1/Com2 use the same IRQ and I should disable IR port for use = Com1/Com2 (I made it with a program "ps2.exe" ) . No results!!!!!! Can = anybody=20 help me ? Do you a link/url where I can found same = informations/programs/drivers=20 .
 

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------=_NextPart_000_010B_01BFDC24.6891EB30-- From cph Thu Jun 22 02:10:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA03551 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:10:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12813; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:59:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12625; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12612; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:59:49 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a13.pm3-24.theriver.com [206.102.192.29]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F71325DF6; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:59:37 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <3951AB4A.3F91D3BF@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:59:38 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Radu Harabula Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Problem with modem on IBM ThinkPad 760ED References: <010e01bfdc0b$44ea73f0$4a06340a@cec.ro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > Radu Harabula wrote: > > Hi! > I have an IBM Thinkpad 760ED and I can't see my modem (I suppose is > winmodem ). I install many S.O. (Win 95/98/NT/2000) but no results . I > try to manual install , choice from default list of Windows from IBM , > sure and all seem to by ok ; I not have any problems in Device Manager > but my modem not respond of my ATZ. I read many How to about my > notebook (all is on IBM site ) and all this documents say about > Mwave~DSP . I have read about IR port and Com1/Com2 use the same IRQ > and I should disable IR port for use Com1/Com2 (I made it with a > program "ps2.exe" ) . No results!!!!!! Can anybody help me ? Do you a > link/url where I can found same informations/programs/drivers . The MWave "modem" is a digital signal processor or DSP. It requires special drivers which must be obtained from IBM. Suggest that you connect to www.ibm.com and select the site nearest you. There are three files for Windows95 plus an add-on disk for Windows 98. While you are there, get the latest system BIOS disk. It upgrades the BIOS so it will work with Windows 2000. James Mckenzie From cph Thu Jun 22 02:16:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA03577 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:16:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13545; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:12:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13417; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13404; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:12:13 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03854 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3951ADE8.E980123C@stanford.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:10:48 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Looking for keyboard for 560 series References: <3933027C.98ECB3C5@prodigy.net> <3934034C.8520B64F@iso.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My 560X keyboard is on the blink. I have to use an external keyboard (an old IBM 5 pound monster) which is not very convenient (duh). So if anyone has a machine for parts or has just the keyboard (any 560 series machine will do) I would be interested. Benjamin -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (68k/PPC) or PC without IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Thu Jun 22 02:43:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA03648 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:43:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14831; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:38:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14680; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alto.i-cable.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14644; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alto.i-cable.com (210.80.60.4) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:38:30 -0400 Received: from johnny-chan (ip107188.hkicable.com [203.83.107.188]) by alto.i-cable.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA29357 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:38:28 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <006e01bfdc14$4943cce0$8d6b53cb@johnny-chan> From: "Johnny Chan" To: Subject: Battery Life of NT Server 4.0 on ThinkPad Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:36:54 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I installed NT Server 4.0 on my TP390, but the battery life decrease to only around 30 minutes. Is it normal for that OS? Can I monitor the battery life under NT Server 4.0? Johnny Chan From cph Thu Jun 22 02:55:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA03672 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:55:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15430; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:49:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15277; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15263; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:49:57 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a45.pm3-15.theriver.com [208.164.96.109]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 094E225E13; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:49:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <395198F9.635FCC41@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:41:29 -0700 From: Ray Bayles Organization: Picture Rock Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Koh Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Looking for keyboard for 560 series References: <3933027C.98ECB3C5@prodigy.net> <3934034C.8520B64F@iso.net> <3951ADE8.E980123C@stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: A keyboard from IBM parts is only $50 or $55... I doubt that you will find a parted out one that you can trust that is much less expensive. From cph Thu Jun 22 03:22:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA03731 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 03:22:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16794; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 03:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 03:12:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16497; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 03:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16484; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 03:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 03:12:47 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a45.pm3-15.theriver.com [208.164.96.109]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F0625E7B; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:12:45 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39519E53.399FC03F@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:04:19 -0700 From: Ray Bayles Organization: Picture Rock Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Radu Harabula Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Problem with modem on IBM ThinkPad 760ED References: <010e01bfdc0b$44ea73f0$4a06340a@cec.ro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My 760 ED has a built in MWave DSP modem... and I assume yours does too... Be sure your IR is not installed. You can see what is installed by looking at the control panel add/remove and the modem sections. You will have the drivers already on your recovery CD... if you don't, then go to the www.ibm.com site, find the thinkpads section or the software download matrices... download the modem files to a hard disk or floppy, then create the necessary Win 9x install drivers to use with your Thinkpad. Also check www.pc.ibm.com/us/options/modems/56k.html and www.ibm.com/searchfiles.html or www.directdistributing.com for technical issues or driver downloads. Click on settings -> control panel, modem, and remove all modems listed, then use the "add" to reinstall the drivers from the A:\ disk you have created from the download. You should not have much trouble with this, as the Thinkpad finds what it needs. If you encounter any problems, take the time that it takes to download all the latest drivers for your 760 ED from the Thinkpad download files matrices, update your bios and all other files... then take the above steps again. The first time is a bit difficult. Keep notes. After the first time, it will be a snap if you ever have to do it again. If all this doesn't work, you may have a modem that was burned out on a line with voltage too high such as a hotel or other phone system... then it is either a trip to EZServe or buy a new modem. I just bought a dandy new card modem IBM 56K/ v.90 data/ fax/ voice modem from www.onsale.com. It is a new modem in IBM OEM box that fits in the PCMCIA slot complete with drivers, lines that prevent high voltage damage, extra connectors, etc... with XJack connectors. It is the same as the USRobotics XJ5560. Price was right. They also have a number of other modems for (usually) under $50 US including Megaherz, Compaq, USRobotics, and sometimes Xircom... All these modems just listed beat the stuffing out of that crummy MWave modem which I think is only a 28.8 or maybe a 36.6... and fit nicely in the PCMCIA slot. You will discover that these modems are great in comparison to what you have been using. Just be sure to disable the existing modem in the proper sections of the Windows control panel. 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Thanks one and all. --Keith Keith Wong Chief Systems Engineer Omega Tech Consulting Home: (808) 949-0345 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu From cph Thu Jun 22 04:49:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA03966 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:49:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22079; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:39:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21909; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phnxpop4.phnx.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21896; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phnxpop4.phnx.uswest.net (206.80.192.4 -> phnxpop4.phnx.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:39:27 -0400 Received: (qmail 22759 invoked by alias); 22 Jun 2000 08:39:26 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 22749 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jun 2000 08:39:26 -0000 Received: from dialupm110.phnx.uswest.net (209.180.138.110) by phnxpop4.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 22 Jun 2000 08:39:26 -0000 From: Ted Wiseman To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP240 running Linux ? Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:39:24 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA03967 Could someone report on their experience with running Linux on the Thinkpad 240? I'm planning to do that soon, and would like to hear about successes or problems with installation, any recommendations for the best distribution to use, and in general what to expect , what works what doesn't. Thanks for any help. From cph Thu Jun 22 04:56:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA04003 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:56:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22760; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:46:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22583; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22567; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (130.133.1.48 -> mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:46:31 -0400 Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.zedat.fu-berlin.de (130.133.1.46) with esmtp id ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:46:28 +0200 (MEST) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:46:24 +0200 From: Christoph Eyrich To: Ted Wiseman cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP240 running Linux ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Ted Wiseman wrote: > Could someone report on their experience with running Linux on the > Thinkpad 240? I'm planning to do that soon, and would like to hear Have a look at http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ Regards, Christoph Eyrich From cph Thu Jun 22 12:31:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA05992 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:31:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27182; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:27:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26808; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.twp-llc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26752; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.twp-llc.com (209.46.32.50) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:26:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by alpha.twp-llc.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA07470 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:24:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:24:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600X display problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi Folks, I'm getting occassional random garbage on my new 600X (2645-5FU) screen. For example, if I drag an icon across IE's toolbars I'll get it almost every time. Is anyone else having this problem? Have any of you fixed it? Thanks, Chris From cph Thu Jun 22 13:06:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA06233 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:06:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01179; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:03:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00971; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00958; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:03:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA43999; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New processor for future thinkpads? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: As written by Infoworld: LOW-POWER CHIP HAILED Posted at Jun 21, 2000 12:28 PM Pacific IBM WILL BEGIN testing the waters to determine whether or not its customers will adopt an IBM ThinkPad powered by Transmeta's Crusoe processor, beginning with a demo of one of the laptops running Windows 2000 at the PC Expo in New York next week. Leo Suarez, director of world wide product marketing at Armonk, N.Y.-based IBM, said the first prototype is a stock IBM ThinkPad model 240 that has undergone no special modification to incorporate the Crusoe processor, a ultra-low-power chip that has gained much attention since being introduced by Santa Clara, Calif.-based Transmeta. For the full story: http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/00/06/21/000621hncrusoe.xml?0622tham From cph Thu Jun 22 16:19:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA08183 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:18:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19835; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:14:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19353; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19327; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:14:50 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JQWPD1RHGW8X4T4R@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:18:04 CST Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:18:04 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: win 2k & 770e To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: my win 2k doesnt recognize the enhanced video adapter on my 770e. How can i obtain a driver for it ?? the driver for 95/98 doesnt work. also when i try to run dvdplay (win2k dvd software ) i got the error "no decorder found". help From cph Thu Jun 22 17:51:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA09131 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:51:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28756; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:48:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28516; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28503; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:48:15 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JQWSMTQDA88X4R2I@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:51:28 CST Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:51:27 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Re: win 2k & 770e In-reply-to: <01ce01bfdc8d$f8d1c620$0d00a8c0@dec5200> To: R Briganti Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: i think the driver that i needed is the MPEG-2 decoder for Windows 2000. for the enhanced video adapter card to work with win 2k's dvdplay i couldnt find it anywhere in both ibm web site and microsoft's web site. If anyone can send me a copy or direct me to where i can download the file it is very much appreciated. thank you jon w On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, R Briganti wrote: > You need to download the driver from the web and install the decoder in W2K. > Sorry, I don't have the url but it's the standard ThinkPad drivers site. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 17:18 > Subject: win 2k & 770e > > > > my win 2k doesnt recognize the enhanced video adapter on my 770e. How can > > i obtain a driver for it ?? the driver for 95/98 doesnt work. > > > > also when i try to run dvdplay (win2k dvd software ) i got the error "no > > decorder found". > > > > help > > > > > > From cph Thu Jun 22 20:36:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA10417 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:36:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09063; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:32:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08895; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08882; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:32:24 -0400 Received: from uniblab (equate3 [146.88.1.23]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA21014 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:32:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000d01bfdcaa$700e4e40$17015892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: References: Subject: Re: 600X display problem Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:31:54 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Chris! Windows was leaving the bottom row of pixels of a window on the screen when I would close a window, and the cards in the solitaire game were getting slightly scrambled from time to time. When I updated to the video drivers that came out last month with the T&A series computers the problems went away. But now, sometimes, some .gifs and .jpegs on some websites in IE5.01 come out looking like they've lost their horizontal hold (if you remember what that looked like on old TV sets :-). I don't think that is a driver problem, though. Bob 600X ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schumann" To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 10:24 Subject: 600X display problem > Hi Folks, > > I'm getting occassional random garbage on my new 600X (2645-5FU) screen. > For example, if I drag an icon across IE's toolbars I'll get it almost > every time. > > Is anyone else having this problem? Have any of you fixed it? > > Thanks, > Chris From cph Thu Jun 22 20:57:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA10536 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:57:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11032; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:54:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10575; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10560; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:54:08 -0400 Received: from davidreid (tnt10-216-180-65-29.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.29]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with SMTP id e5N0s7020367 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:54:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00c901bfdcad$864fe8a0$1d41b4d8@davidreid> From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: TP 770z DVD player software (anything better) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:53:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Greetings List, I posted a question 'bout a week ago, just prior to a spam attack that prevented me from receiving mail from the list so please pardon for my repeat post. ******************************** Greetings All, Any good software recommendations for playing DVD movies on the 770z? This notebook has beautiful reproduction, if I could only get Mediamatics to work when "I" want it to work. In addition, will adding the Enhanced DVD adaptor card make for better performance? thanks list ******************************************** ______________ David Reid dwreid@hiwaay.net From cph Thu Jun 22 21:05:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA10604 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:05:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12284; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:02:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12128; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12111; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.net (216.254.0.5 -> gonzo.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:02:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 3947 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2000 01:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grace.speakeasy.org) (216.254.0.2) by gonzo.speakeasy.net with SMTP; 23 Jun 2000 01:02:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 3079 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2000 01:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wald7) (216.254.51.19) by grace.speakeasy.org with SMTP; 23 Jun 2000 01:02:34 -0000 From: "William Armstrong" To: "Jon" , "R Briganti" Cc: Subject: RE: win 2k & 770e Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:05:55 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Jon, I think I see the file at IBM Support. The page has the title "TP 770 - MPEG Features IV for Windows 98/2000". Isn't that it? I know for the TP770Z this file enables the EVA card in Windows 2000. Take a look Regards, Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Jon [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 6:51 PM To: R Briganti Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: win 2k & 770e i think the driver that i needed is the MPEG-2 decoder for Windows 2000. for the enhanced video adapter card to work with win 2k's dvdplay i couldnt find it anywhere in both ibm web site and microsoft's web site. If anyone can send me a copy or direct me to where i can download the file it is very much appreciated. thank you jon w On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, R Briganti wrote: > You need to download the driver from the web and install the decoder in W2K. > Sorry, I don't have the url but it's the standard ThinkPad drivers site. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 17:18 > Subject: win 2k & 770e > > > > my win 2k doesnt recognize the enhanced video adapter on my 770e. How can > > i obtain a driver for it ?? the driver for 95/98 doesnt work. > > > > also when i try to run dvdplay (win2k dvd software ) i got the error "no > > decorder found". > > > > help > > > > > > From cph Thu Jun 22 21:06:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA10618 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:06:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12471; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:03:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12201; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12188; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:03:37 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id VAA03901; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:03:36 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from Larry (w028.z206111201.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [206.111.201.28]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id VAA14220; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:03:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Larry Hertzog" To: Subject: RE: 600X display problem Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:03:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: Chris, A few months back there was a lotta talk about this on the IBM discussion group website. At first the usual IBM blather stock responses came flowing down: "Have you updated your BIOS? Have you updated your drivers," etc." When all shouted, "Yes!" they said, "we'll bump this up to level 2." That was MONTHS ago and, unless I missed it, there's been no follow-up -- highly doubt there ever will be. Larry -----Original Message----- From: Chris Schumann [mailto:chris@twp-llc.com] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 9:25 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600X display problem Hi Folks, I'm getting occassional random garbage on my new 600X (2645-5FU) screen. For example, if I drag an icon across IE's toolbars I'll get it almost every time. Is anyone else having this problem? Have any of you fixed it? Thanks, Chris From cph Fri Jun 23 01:46:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA11923 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:46:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24685; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:42:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24553; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24540; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:42:51 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl3-54.du.gate.net [199.227.136.54]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA78268; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:41:32 -0400 Message-ID: <3952F88B.7C001619@gate.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:41:31 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: win 2k & 770e References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jon.. i loaded and ran w2k on my 770Z, worked fine, recognised all the hardware, including the EVA.. go to my web site, http://thinkpads.com i have a link to whatever you should need there.. there is an IBM page and some MS help for w2k Jon wrote: > my win 2k doesnt recognize the enhanced video adapter on my 770e. How can > i obtain a driver for it ?? the driver for 95/98 doesnt work. > > also when i try to run dvdplay (win2k dvd software ) i got the error "no > decorder found". > > help -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri Jun 23 03:00:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA12159 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:00:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27514; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:57:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27331; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell8.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27318; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell8.ba.best.com (206.184.139.139 -> shell8.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:57:07 -0400 Received: (from steffi@localhost) by shell8.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.sh) id XAA24307; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops Subject: Disaster win2k. I shouldn't have done this CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Robert Nicholson Date: 22 Jun 2000 23:57:01 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.6.43/Emacs 19.34 Posted-To: comp.sys.laptops List-Unsubscribe: The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted as well. I normally wouldn't do this but I Wasn't thinking at the time. Anyway, I've ghosted my internal drive to the one in the slim bay and i booted win2k such that now C D are mapped to the slim bay drive and not the internal drive on my 600x and consequently win2k in it's stupidity has decided that it wasn't to create the swap file on the slimbay drive and I cannot boot my machine in win2k with just the internal drive even though I have 327 _ucking MEG of RAM. thank you Microsoft. I want reassign both C and D back to the right drive. and fix win2k understand of where the mandaotory page file is. not how I wanted to spend me day!!! From cph Fri Jun 23 03:03:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA12168 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:03:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27889; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:00:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27749; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell8.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27732; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell8.ba.best.com (206.184.139.139 -> shell8.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:00:31 -0400 Received: (from steffi@localhost) by shell8.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.sh) id AAA24707; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops Subject: Disaster win2k. I shouldn't have done this Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Robert Nicholson Date: 23 Jun 2000 00:00:25 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.6.43/Emacs 19.34 Posted-To: comp.sys.laptops List-Unsubscribe: The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted as well. I normally wouldn't do this but I Wasn't thinking at the time. Anyway, I've ghosted my internal drive to the one in the slim bay and i booted win2k such that now C D are mapped to the slim bay drive and not the internal drive on my 600x and consequently win2k in it's stupidity has decided that it wasn't to create the swap file on the slimbay drive and I cannot boot my machine in win2k with just the internal drive even though I have 327 _ucking MEG of RAM. thank you Microsoft. I want reassign both C and D back to the right drive. and fix win2k understand of where the mandaotory page file is. not how I wanted to spend me day!!! From cph Fri Jun 23 07:23:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA12996 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:23:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10942; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:18:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10780; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10761; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:18:38 -0400 Received: from 216-164-137-212.s466.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.137.212]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 135RTo-0006ib-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:18:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:18:40 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.44) Personal Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <68125924037.20000623071840@erols.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 2 questions In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I bought a 770 and its quite a nice machine, but I did not get a user's manual. WOuld someone please refresh my fading memory as to where they can be found on IBM's site? 2) How do I get rid of the previous owner's name on every about screen? Is it in the registry somewhere? Thanks in advance. -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Fri Jun 23 10:43:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA14447 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:43:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25599; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:40:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25259; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww187.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25235; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww187.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.87 -> ww187.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:40:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 1257 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2000 14:39:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000623143959.1256.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.87 by ww187 for [24.163.172.50] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Fri Jun 23 14:39:59 GMT 2000 Date: 23 Jun 00 09:39:59 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Donald MacQueen , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 2 questions X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA14448 The registered owner's name for Windows (and thus all built-in Windows apps like Explorer and Wordpad) is located in the registry at \HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion in keys titled 'RegisteredOwner' and 'RegisteredOrganization'. For other products it's not always consistent where they store that info. Some (like MS Project 98) actually require you to re-install to change it. Now, if it were me, I'd reformat the drive and start from scratch with the system restore CD and the latest IBM drivers, just to start from a clean slate. You are apparently more trusting than I... Sorry, but I can't offer any help with the owners manual. HTH, Rob Donald MacQueen wrote: > I bought a 770 and its quite a nice machine, but > I did not get a user's manual. WOuld someone please > refresh my fading memory as to where they can be > found on IBM's site? > > 2) How do I get rid of the previous owner's name > on every about screen? Is it in the registry somewhere? > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > Donald > > Donald M. MacQueen > Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] > ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Fri Jun 23 11:38:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA14897 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:37:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00702; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:34:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00496; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00473; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:34:53 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id KAA25465 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:34:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.185.103]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id KAA25461 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:34:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000623113318.014f8750@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:33:18 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: 2 questions In-Reply-To: <68125924037.20000623071840@erols.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:18 AM 06/23/2000 -0400, Donald MacQueen wrote: >I bought a 770 and its quite a nice machine, but >I did not get a user's manual. WOuld someone please >refresh my fading memory as to where they can be >found on IBM's site? > Here's the hardware manual (which is probably more useful than the user's manual): ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/37l5152.pdf From cph Fri Jun 23 12:33:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15422 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:33:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06814; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:27:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06232; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06213; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy2.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:27:22 -0400 Received: from dan (nat240.ariba.com [205.180.14.240]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id JAA05250; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:23:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dan Galender" To: "Rob Bell" , "Donald MacQueen" , Subject: RE: 2 questions Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:16:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000623143959.1256.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Most installation programs that prompt for and store user name, company name, and (sometimes) serial number, usually read the RegisteredOwner and RegisteredOrganization values from the aforementioned key in the registry. The user may change that information during the installation. The installers then typically write that information to their own keys in the registry. Those keys are usually, \HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\\\ [Substitute the actual product's info for , , and .] Having said all that, I'd probably follow Rob's lead, and restore from the Recovery CD-ROM, then reinstall my apps from scratch. -Dan Galender -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bell [mailto:rbell1@netscape.net] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 7:40 AM To: Donald MacQueen; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 2 questions The registered owner's name for Windows (and thus all built-in Windows apps like Explorer and Wordpad) is located in the registry at \HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion in keys titled 'RegisteredOwner' and 'RegisteredOrganization'. For other products it's not always consistent where they store that info. Some (like MS Project 98) actually require you to re-install to change it. Now, if it were me, I'd reformat the drive and start from scratch with the system restore CD and the latest IBM drivers, just to start from a clean slate. You are apparently more trusting than I... Sorry, but I can't offer any help with the owners manual. HTH, Rob Donald MacQueen wrote: > I bought a 770 and its quite a nice machine, but > I did not get a user's manual. WOuld someone please > refresh my fading memory as to where they can be > found on IBM's site? > > 2) How do I get rid of the previous owner's name > on every about screen? Is it in the registry somewhere? > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > Donald > > Donald M. MacQueen > Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] > ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Fri Jun 23 12:36:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15457 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:36:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07464; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:32:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07079; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07031; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:32:16 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id LAA00699 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:32:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.185.103]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id LAA00691 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:32:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000623123042.00a5adf0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:30:42 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: 2 questions In-Reply-To: <68125924037.20000623071840@erols.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:18 AM 06/23/2000 -0400, Donald MacQueen wrote: >I bought a 770 and its quite a nice machine, but >I did not get a user's manual. WOuld someone please >refresh my fading memory as to where they can be >found on IBM's site? > And the user's manual(s) can be found here -> ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/ The index file will tell you which one is which. From cph Fri Jun 23 16:33:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17857 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:33:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28189; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:29:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27868; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27846; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:29:03 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-43.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.43]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA32156 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:29:00 +0300 Message-Id: <200006232029.XAA32156@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:27:25 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP560: hard drive removal X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zg List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I'd like to upgrade the original hard drive (4GB) in my TP560X. Is anyone aware of a document explaining how to do this? Compared to the other ThinkPads I know (701 and 600), the hard drive is not exactly easily accessible ;-) The new drive I'd like to put into the TP560X is a Toshiba 18GB. Is it likely to be recognized by the TP560X? I have the latest BIOS. I also was able to install all of Win98, Win2000, OS/2 and Linux on the new drive. Thanks, Dominique From cph Fri Jun 23 17:10:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA18077 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:10:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02173; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:08:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01890; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from damascus.CS.Berkeley.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01875; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from damascus.CS.Berkeley.EDU (128.32.33.235 -> damascus.CS.Berkeley.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:07:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (IDENT:daishi@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by damascus.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08382; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:07:52 -0700 To: domi@kenavo.fi Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP560: hard drive removal In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:27:25 +0300" <200006232029.XAA32156@mail.clinet.fi> References: <200006232029.XAA32156@mail.clinet.fi> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93b38 on XEmacs 21.1 (Biscayne) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000623140752L.daishi@CS.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:07:52 -0700 From: Daishi Harada X-Dispatcher: imput version 991025(IM133) Lines: 34 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Dominique, I just replaced the 4G drive in my 560X with an IBM 18G drive. You can find the HD removal instructions online at: http://servicepac.mainz.ibm.com/eprmhtml/epr2b/h4871.htm (The "front page" of the documentation collection is at: http://servicepac.mainz.ibm.com/eprmhtml/epr2b/h4840.htm) The hardware portion of the process wasn't that difficult for me. It took me a bit to get the OS's installed, however, since the 560X doesn't have a builtin CDROM drive. It sounds like you've already done this? How did you do this without installing the drive? Any pointers for next time would be appreciated ... Daishi From: Dominique Pivard Subject: TP560: hard drive removal Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:27:25 +0300 > Hi, > > I'd like to upgrade the original hard drive (4GB) in my TP560X. Is anyone > aware of a document explaining how to do this? Compared to the other > ThinkPads I know (701 and 600), the hard drive is not exactly easily > accessible ;-) > > The new drive I'd like to put into the TP560X is a Toshiba 18GB. Is it > likely to be recognized by the TP560X? I have the latest BIOS. I also was > able to install all of Win98, Win2000, OS/2 and Linux on the new drive. > > Thanks, Dominique > From cph Fri Jun 23 18:21:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18456 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:21:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07768; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:16:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07454; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exgolden1.CoorsTek.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07440; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exgolden1.CoorsTek.com (208.247.84.194 -> mail.coorsceramics.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:16:35 -0400 Received: by exgolden1.ccc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:29:06 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Bilancia, Rich" Reply-To: rabilancia@uswest.net To: "'THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: FS: ThinkPad 600X - 2645-4EU Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:29:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I have the following for sale: ThinkPad 600X - 2645-4EU upgraded to 196MB (from 64MB standard) an extra battery (IBM) complete with all original packaging, software, accessories, etc. I've only had this unit a few months. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. After 15 years of self-employment I received a job offer (that includes a notebook PC) that I simply could not refuse. Accordingly, my 600X is for sale. I paid close to $3800 for the base unit in February, the current list price is $3099, and buy.com has the base unit for $2554.95. Since the memory is probably around $300, and the battery around $200, I'd like to think that $2700 for the bundle would be fair asking price. If anyone would be interested, please let me know. Rich --- Richard A. Bilancia rab@msn.com rabilancia@uswest.net From cph Fri Jun 23 18:33:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18524 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:33:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08508; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:30:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08375; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08362; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:30:28 -0400 Received: from default - 63.27.203.66 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:30:08 -0700 Message-ID: <008a01bfdd61$62959680$42cb1b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: 560 4 meg HD Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:21:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Noticed a few of you are replacing them. Are any of the old 4 meg drives for sale cheeeeeP? Thanks From cph Fri Jun 23 18:47:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18596 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:47:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09333; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:44:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09131; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09117; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:44:20 -0400 Received: from default - 63.27.203.66 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:43:56 -0700 Message-ID: <00b601bfdd63$4fea01e0$42cb1b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: OOOPS Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:35:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I meant 4 gig drives. sorry, I'm a dolt. From cph Fri Jun 23 20:07:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA19081 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:07:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13078; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:02:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12926; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12913; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:02:22 -0400 Received: from TP600 (255-28.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.28]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA14004 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:02:19 +0300 Message-Id: <200006240002.DAA14004@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:02:16 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <20000623140752L.daishi@CS.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: Re: TP560: hard drive removal X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zg List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 at 02:07 PM you, Daishi Harada , said: Hi Daishi, >I just replaced the 4G drive in my 560X with an IBM 18G drive. You can >find the HD removal instructions online at: > http://servicepac.mainz.ibm.com/eprmhtml/epr2b/h4871.htm (The >"front page" of the documentation collection is at: > http://servicepac.mainz.ibm.com/eprmhtml/epr2b/h4840.htm) The >hardware portion of the process wasn't that difficult for me. It took me Thanks for the pointer! I also found instructions at http://thinkpads.com/tp560.htm You're right, it wasn't that difficult to remove the drive. >a bit to get the OS's installed, however, since the 560X doesn't have a >builtin CDROM drive. It sounds like you've already done this? How did you >do this without installing the drive? Any pointers for next time would be >appreciated ... Actually, I cheated ;-). I did the basic install (standard VGA etc.) in a TP600 with a built-in DVD drive and I then put the drive in the TP560X. Btw, the Toshiba is really quiet. Cheers, Dominique From cph Sat Jun 24 02:54:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA20797 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:54:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27327; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:49:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27034; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27021; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:49:51 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-252.gate.net [199.227.131.61]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA33708; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:49:45 -0400 Message-ID: <39545A16.319712FD@gate.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:49:58 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominique Pivard CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP560: hard drive removal References: <200006232029.XAA32156@mail.clinet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Dominique... I have instructions on my web site for this.. i think the direct link is: http://thinkpads.com/560.htm in any event, it is available from the HDD page.. :-) Dominique Pivard wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to upgrade the original hard drive (4GB) in my TP560X. Is anyone > aware of a document explaining how to do this? Compared to the other > ThinkPads I know (701 and 600), the hard drive is not exactly easily > accessible ;-) > > The new drive I'd like to put into the TP560X is a Toshiba 18GB. Is it > likely to be recognized by the TP560X? I have the latest BIOS. I also was > able to install all of Win98, Win2000, OS/2 and Linux on the new drive. > > Thanks, Dominique -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Jun 24 02:55:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA20801 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:55:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27447; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:52:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27214; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27201; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:52:25 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-252.gate.net [199.227.131.61]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA43606; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:52:21 -0400 Message-ID: <39545AB2.97FAAA56@gate.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:52:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rabilancia@uswest.net CC: "'THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: FS: ThinkPad 600X - 2645-4EU References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Rich... please feel free to also post this for sale advert on my open forum.. the link is at: http://thinkpads.com and is just next to the neon parrot.. :-) (he points to it!) "Bilancia, Rich" wrote: > I have the following for sale: > > ThinkPad 600X - 2645-4EU > upgraded to 196MB (from 64MB standard) > an extra battery (IBM) > complete with all original packaging, software, accessories, etc. > > I've only had this unit a few months. There is absolutely nothing wrong > with it. > > After 15 years of self-employment I received a job offer (that includes a > notebook PC) that I simply could not refuse. Accordingly, my 600X is for > sale. > > I paid close to $3800 for the base unit in February, the current list price > is $3099, and buy.com has the base unit for $2554.95. Since the memory is > probably around $300, and the battery around $200, I'd like to think that > $2700 for the bundle would be fair asking price. > > If anyone would be interested, please let me know. > > Rich > --- > Richard A. Bilancia > rab@msn.com > rabilancia@uswest.net -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Jun 24 03:52:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA20949 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:52:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29534; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:37:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29448; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29435; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:37:08 -0400 Received: from TP600 (255-34.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.34]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA06228 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:37:06 +0300 Message-Id: <200006240737.KAA06228@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:37:04 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <39545A16.319712FD@gate.net> Subject: Re: TP560: hard drive removal X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zg List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Bill, I had indeed found your page! It took me some time to realize there were also screws below the small black protective things (just wondering why they put them on top of some screws only). It was also a good opportunity to realize how much cat hair had gone into my TP560X in the 2.5 years I've owned it ;-). -Dominique On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 at 02:49 AM you, Bill Morrow , said: >Dominique... >I have instructions on my web site for this.. >i think the direct link is: http://thinkpads.com/560.htm >in any event, it is available from the HDD page.. :-) From cph Sat Jun 24 06:41:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA21503 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 06:41:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08606; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 06:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 06:33:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08509; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 06:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08496; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 06:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 06:33:36 -0400 Received: from athe530-r041.otenet.gr (sehh@athe530-r041.otenet.gr [212.205.255.41]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e5OAW8500041 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:32:09 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200006241032.e5OAW8500041@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:31:08 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: ThinkPad stuff List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id GAA08606 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id GAA21504 While looking around for webpages about ThinkPads i came to this site: http://www.halostores.com/IBMThinkPad/page10/page10.htm It has some interesting stuff for all TP owners. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Jun 24 10:32:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA22109 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:32:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14742; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:21:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14619; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14605; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (24.147.1.144 -> chmls06.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:21:09 -0400 Received: from amalis.mail.com (h0040100c9388.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.168.80]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06853; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000624100215.02976380@alpo.casc.com> X-Sender: amalis@mail.mac.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:16:53 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "Andrew G. Malis" Subject: Got my T20 Win2K w/combo card Cc: amalis@mail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I received my T20 with W2K and the Intel/Xircom combo card yesterday. I can report that DVDs play fine with the networking enabled and active, even full screen - someone had asked about that. I've checked out the Ethernet, modem, DVD, floppy, drive bay battery - all work great. And coming from Windows NT, I LOVE plug and play! And it is definitely lighter than the TP 600. It's a great form factor for a laptop that doesn't need external drives or dongles. The thing has a large number of power profile options when you're running on batteries. I'm going to have to do some playing. One neat trick: the audio CD player goes out to the net and downloads the track info for your audio CDs. I was not expecting that the first time I tried playing an audio CD! So far, my only complaint is that it has one green pixel stuck on. Probably not too much I can do about it ... :-( Cheers, Andy From cph Sat Jun 24 10:53:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA22173 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:53:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16268; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:43:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15999; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15986; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:43:01 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id KAA27072; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:42:58 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id KAA10403; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000624072245.015e4e20@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:30:02 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: FS: ThinkPad 600X - 2645-4EU In-Reply-To: <39545AB2.97FAAA56@gate.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 02:52 AM 6/24/2000 -0400, you wrote: > > I have the following for sale: > > > > ThinkPad 600X - 2645-4EU > > upgraded to 196MB (from 64MB standard) > > an extra battery (IBM) > > complete with all original packaging, software, accessories, etc. > > > > I've only had this unit a few months. There is absolutely nothing wrong > > I paid close to $3800 for the base unit in February, the current list price > > is $3099, and buy.com has the base unit for $2554.95. Since the memory is > > probably around $300, and the battery around $200, I'd like to think that > > $2700 for the bundle would be fair asking price. Let me get this straight...you figure that a used notebook computer is worth only $200 less than the new price? By the way, a 128 MB memory module is less than $200, not $300. So you're asking price for the pkg is less than $100 less than the new price. What a deal. From cph Sat Jun 24 11:15:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA22204 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:15:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17413; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:05:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17203; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17190; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:05:14 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02377; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLACKBIRD (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA08604; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006e01bfdded$97a25890$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" References: <4.2.0.58.20000624072245.015e4e20@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: FS: ThinkPad 600X - 2645-4EU Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:05:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Yes, kind of like all the people who price their house way too high and wonder why the thing languishes without selling. Rich, I strongly suggest that you go and look at eBay and gauge the level that similar machines are finally selling for. You may even want to consider selling it on eBay. The site works well. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randal Whittle" To: "TP List" Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 7:30 AM Subject: Re: FS: ThinkPad 600X - 2645-4EU > At 02:52 AM 6/24/2000 -0400, you wrote: > > > I have the following for sale: > > > > > > ThinkPad 600X - 2645-4EU > > > upgraded to 196MB (from 64MB standard) > > > an extra battery (IBM) > > > complete with all original packaging, software, accessories, etc. > > > > > > I've only had this unit a few months. There is absolutely nothing wrong > > > > I paid close to $3800 for the base unit in February, the current list price > > > is $3099, and buy.com has the base unit for $2554.95. Since the memory is > > > probably around $300, and the battery around $200, I'd like to think that > > > $2700 for the bundle would be fair asking price. > > > Let me get this straight...you figure that a used notebook > computer is worth only $200 less than the new price? > > By the way, a 128 MB memory module is less than $200, not > $300. So you're asking price for the pkg is less than $100 less than the > new price. > > What a deal. > > From cph Sat Jun 24 13:55:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA22594 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:55:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23166; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:46:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22982; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22969; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:46:34 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA02953 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:46:33 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <200006241746.MAA02953@europa.veggie.com> Subject: [TP560x] quickcam VC parallel/USB? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:46:33 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hiya, I've got a TP560x and was wondering if anyone has connected/used a Quickcam VC parallel (or USB?) with this system. I have Win 95 on it (not upgraded or anything, just as it came installed). With regard to the parallel version, I hear that you have to connect it to both the parallel port and the keyboard port. Now, when I connect this to the keyboard port, does the system automatically sense this and assume I have an external keyboard and disables the built-in one? If the USB versionworks fine with the version of Win95 that came with it, I might just go for it, though the parallel version is cheaper. Thanks, Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Sat Jun 24 17:45:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA23076 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:45:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02370; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:42:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02194; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02181; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:42:23 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JQZL0BZAWG8X4U7C@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:45:40 CST Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:45:39 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: RE: win 2k & 770e In-reply-to: To: William Armstrong Cc: R Briganti , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: i installed that driver but when i try to use win 2k's dvdplayer prog to play my dvd it doesnt work. it gives me the msg " drive f: is not formatted" ????? my dvd is drive f: help !! On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > Jon, > > I think I see the file at IBM Support. The page has the title "TP 770 - MPEG > Features IV for Windows 98/2000". Isn't that it? I know for the TP770Z this > file enables the EVA card in Windows 2000. Take a look > > Regards, > Bill Armstrong > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 6:51 PM > To: R Briganti > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: win 2k & 770e > > > > i think the driver that i needed is the MPEG-2 decoder for Windows > 2000. for the enhanced video adapter card to work with win 2k's dvdplay > i couldnt find it anywhere in both ibm web site and microsoft's web site. > > If anyone can send me a copy or direct me to where i can download the file > it is very much appreciated. > > thank you > > jon w > > On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, R Briganti wrote: > > > You need to download the driver from the web and install the decoder in > W2K. > > Sorry, I don't have the url but it's the standard ThinkPad drivers site. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 17:18 > > Subject: win 2k & 770e > > > > > > > my win 2k doesnt recognize the enhanced video adapter on my 770e. How > can > > > i obtain a driver for it ?? the driver for 95/98 doesnt work. > > > > > > also when i try to run dvdplay (win2k dvd software ) i got the error "no > > > decorder found". > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Sat Jun 24 18:23:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA23149 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:23:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04208; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:21:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04095; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04082; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:21:04 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA09193; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:21:02 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <200006242221.RAA09193@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: [TP560x] quickcam VC parallel/USB? To: stevec50@yahoo.com (Steve C.) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:21:02 -0500 (GMT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <20000624221225.1902.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> from "Steve C." at Jun 24, 2000 03:12:25 PM Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi Steve, Steve C. writes: > > I've used the parallel port version on my TP760EL. It don't have > USB. The computer don't sense anything on the keyboard port because > it is only used for power. Cool, so you can continue to use your regular built-in keyboard right? I was asking because I thought it might the be case that the TP sensed something in the keyboard port and assumed it was a keyboard and would disable the built-in keyboard. For that matter I don't even know if the TP would disable the internal keyboard even if an external one was attached. Sounds like that doesn't happen. Thanks, Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Sat Jun 24 21:59:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA23969 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:59:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12003; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:56:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11860; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11847; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:56:46 -0400 Received: from zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id e5P1ujP18787; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) id e5P1uiN26259; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: Robert Nicholson Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Disaster win2k. I shouldn't have done this References: From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 24 Jun 2000 21:56:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: Robert Nicholson's message of "22 Jun 2000 23:57:01 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: Howdy- This is a known bug in the first release of W2k (I posted about doing the *exact same thing* to this list a while back). If you search the MS knowledge base for the error message you get about the paging file there are two good articles on how to deal with this problem. If you can't find them, send me mail and when I get back to the office on Monday I will be able to reference the one I printed out. Peace, dNb P.S. Don't panic, it can be fixed. From cph Sat Jun 24 22:42:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA24096 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:42:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13586; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:40:17 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13455; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:40:16 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id WAA01268 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03854; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.89 -> web116.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:12:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 1903 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2000 22:12:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000624221225.1902.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web116.yahoomail.com; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:12:25 PDT Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:12:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: [TP560x] quickcam VC parallel/USB? To: Esmail Bonakdarian Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I've used the parallel port version on my TP760EL. It don't have USB. The computer don't sense anything on the keyboard port because it is only used for power. --- Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > Hiya, > > I've got a TP560x and was wondering if anyone has > connected/used a > Quickcam VC parallel (or USB?) with this system. I > have Win 95 on it > (not upgraded or anything, just as it came > installed). > > With regard to the parallel version, I hear that you > have to connect > it to both the parallel port and the keyboard port. > Now, when I > connect this to the keyboard port, does the system > automatically sense > this and assume I have an external keyboard and > disables the built-in > one? > > If the USB versionworks fine with the version of > Win95 that came with > it, I might just go for it, though the parallel > version is cheaper. > > Thanks, > Esmail > ---- > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun Jun 25 06:45:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA25264 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:45:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01585; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:41:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01483; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bettina.informatik.uni-bremen.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01470; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bettina.informatik.uni-bremen.de (134.102.224.3 -> bettina.informatik.uni-bremen.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:41:02 -0400 Received: from henker-1.home.informatik.uni-bremen.de (root@willy.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.1]) by bettina.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5PAexp27721 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:41:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by henker-1.home.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3782F76818 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:28:13 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:28:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: Steffan Henke X-Sender: henker@henker-1.home.informatik.uni-bremen.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560x] quickcam VC parallel/USB? In-Reply-To: <200006241746.MAA02953@europa.veggie.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > I've got a TP560x and was wondering if anyone has connected/used a > Quickcam VC parallel (or USB?) with this system. I have Win 95 on it > (not upgraded or anything, just as it came installed). Hi, I sometimes use that cam with a 560E. > With regard to the parallel version, I hear that you have to connect > it to both the parallel port and the keyboard port. Now, when I > connect this to the keyboard port, does the system automatically sense > this and assume I have an external keyboard and disables the built-in > one? I don't know about the 560x, but I simply plug in the cable into the PS/2 port and have not had any problems at all. The system should not disable the keyboard at all. BTW, the connection is needed for power supply of the cam. > If the USB versionworks fine with the version of Win95 that came with > it, I might just go for it, though the parallel version is cheaper. Really ? In all the offers I have seen, the USB version is cheaper. But since the 560E does not have USB at all, I had no choice. You probably don't have one either, if your Win version does not support USB. Performance of the USB version is probably better, since you do not have to fiddle with the LPT settings (ECP, EPP and so on). Regards, Steffan -- ... Our continuing mission: To seek out knowledge of C, to explore strange UNIX commands, and to boldly code where no one has man page 4. From cph Sun Jun 25 11:35:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA02669 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:35:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08882; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:33:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08687; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08674; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:32:58 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JR0MEP769S8X51DY@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:36:16 CST Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:36:16 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: GEt $400 off a new TP A20m !! To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Ibm is now giving a special discounts for employees,friends,shareholders & families. (whtever that means, its kinda vague for me). anyhow, a regular $2799 Thinkpad A20m can be bought for only $2399 !! go to: www-1.ibm.com/shop/epp/splash.nsf/framesetepplogin if you dont qualify for the above, email me i have some offer ID that can be used by anyone :) too bad being a college student still, i have just to make do with my old 770e :( From cph Sun Jun 25 14:30:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA03190 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:30:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07783; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:26:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07519; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sirocco.cc.mcgill.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07506; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sirocco.cc.mcgill.ca (132.206.27.12 -> sirocco.CC.McGill.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:26:15 -0400 Received: from po-box.mcgill.ca (B59-70.DAS.McGill.CA [198.168.181.169]) by sirocco.cc.mcgill.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA03825 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39567937.6334FFE8@po-box.mcgill.ca> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:27:19 -0700 From: Ian Knopke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560x] quickcam VC parallel/USB? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have an old Thinkpad 701CS. It has no native SCSI support. I also have a Syquest EZFlyer 230MB removeable drive which I am trying to connect via an Adaptec MiniSCSI parallel to SCSI adapter under Windows 95. I can't seem to get the adapter to work properly. The system doesn't even seem to recognize it and the driver in the system control panel lists it as "not working properly". ezSCSI can't find it. I have all the relevent adaptec drivers from the website and the syquest files too. Has anyone else had any luck with getting a miniSCSI adapter to work with this particular model? Ian Knopke Phd Music Technology McGill University iknopk@po-box.mcgill.ca From cph Sun Jun 25 15:28:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA03395 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:28:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11337; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:24:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11163; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web113.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11150; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web113.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.84 -> web113.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:24:39 -0400 Received: (qmail 12662 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 2000 19:24:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20000625192435.12661.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web113.yahoomail.com; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:24:34 PDT Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:24:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: [TP560x] quickcam VC parallel/USB? To: Ian Knopke Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Some parallel to SCSI adapters won't work on Thinkpads or on some Dell desktop machines. You need to get a different brand of adapter and try it. I have two different kinds that I use and when one doesn't work the other one usually does. Since they went out of use so long ago you can get them inexpensively at swap meets and on store's scratch and dent shelves. --- Ian Knopke wrote: > I have an old Thinkpad 701CS. It has no native > SCSI support. I also have a Syquest EZFlyer 230MB > removeable drive which I am trying to connect via > an Adaptec MiniSCSI parallel to SCSI adapter under > Windows 95. I can't seem to get the adapter to > work properly. The system doesn't even seem to > recognize it and the driver in the system control > panel lists it as "not working properly". ezSCSI > can't find it. I have all the relevent adaptec > drivers from the website and the syquest files > too. Has anyone else had any luck with getting a > miniSCSI adapter to work with this particular > model? > > Ian Knopke > Phd Music Technology > McGill University > iknopk@po-box.mcgill.ca __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! 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Anyone seen one, yet? I have had two on = order for quite a while, but, as far as I know, they are still = back-ordered at IBM. Have any of you seen any? I've been hoping for the = ether/modem top-end version. Any insights?

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From cph Sun Jun 25 19:44:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA04274 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:44:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24842; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:42:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24731; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24718; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:42:05 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JR13H4HEV48X4TDR@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:45:23 CST Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:45:23 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: IBM DEAL Update: EVEN BETTER !! To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: THinkpad A20m: $2081.65 !! Thinkpad I series 1200 Celeronb 500 $999 !!! Thinkpad T series starting from $2549.15 ! they also have bunch of 600's, I series 1300 & 1500 128 meg mem $170.10 they also have all the accesories (docking, hdd, batteries..etc) check out: www-1.ibm.com/shop/epp/splash.nsf/framesetepplogin if you are eligible. If not i can send out some ID code :) Again, I do not benefit one single cent from this. Just helping fellow THinkpads members out. From cph Sun Jun 25 20:12:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA04345 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:12:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26797; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:09:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26598; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26585; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:09:12 -0400 Received: from 208-58-192-245.s245.tnt9.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.192.245] helo=desktop) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 136MSc-0004tJ-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:09:11 -0400 Message-ID: <003b01bfdf02$ee52ddc0$0101a8c0@desktop> From: "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <3.0.1.32.20000623123042.00a5adf0@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: 1 more question [was:Re: 2 questions] Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:10:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to all who replied to my previous question. Here's one that is more important. I bought a TP 600 p233 about a month ago and I like it very much. Just last week I bought a 770 as a present for the school principal, and I am blown away by the difference in the screens. What I don't know is why. The screen on the 770 is bright and sharp and the pixels seem to leap off the LCD. My 600 OTOH appears dim, even on the highest setting. The 770 is so bright and crisp that I thought it was the 14.1 inch model until I measured and found the that both are the same size. SO the question is: why is the 600 dimmer? Are they made that way? WHat could be wrong, and how do I find out. Thanks, Donald --- Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] ---------------------------------------- I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! ---------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane Loyless To: ThinkPad Mailing List Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:30 PM Subject: Re: 2 questions > At 07:18 AM 06/23/2000 -0400, Donald MacQueen wrote: > > >I bought a 770 and its quite a nice machine, but > >I did not get a user's manual. WOuld someone please > >refresh my fading memory as to where they can be > >found on IBM's site? > > > > And the user's manual(s) can be found here -> > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/ > > The index file will tell you which one is which. From cph Sun Jun 25 23:02:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA04892 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:02:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02828; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:59:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02697; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02683; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:59:23 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.187]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000626025921.EZIS1605.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:59:21 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000625225744.00af6ea0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:57:44 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: 1 more question [was:Re: 2 questions] In-Reply-To: <003b01bfdf02$ee52ddc0$0101a8c0@desktop> References: <3.0.1.32.20000623123042.00a5adf0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:10 PM 06/25/2000 -0400, Donald Malcolm MacQueen wrote: >I bought a TP 600 p233 about a month ago and >I like it very much. > >Just last week I bought a 770 as a present for the >school principal, and I am blown away by the difference >in the screens. What I don't know is why. > >SO the question is: why is the 600 dimmer? Are they >made that way? WHat could be wrong, and how do I find >out. > Check the model number of the TP600. If it's 2645-21U, it has an HPA screen instead of a TFT. That would make a difference. From cph Mon Jun 26 09:37:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA07469 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:37:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02273; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:33:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01877; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01864; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (198.4.92.1 -> drawbridge.ascend.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:33:56 -0400 Received: from fw-ext.ascend.com (fw-ext [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA22828; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from russet.ascend.com by fw-ext.ascend.com via smtpd (for drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) with SMTP; 26 Jun 2000 13:33:53 UT Received: from porky (porky.ascend.com [192.207.23.83]) by russet.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA09894; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000626093125.021f8ef0@mail.northweb.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:33:47 -0400 To: "Steve Hultquist" From: "Andrew G. Malis" Subject: Re: T20 with Win2k? Cc: "Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail)" In-Reply-To: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A0B5015@houdini.accumedia.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_92160880==_.ALT" List-Unsubscribe: --=====================_92160880==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Steve, >Anyone seen one, yet? I have had two on order for quite a while, but, as >far as I know, they are still back-ordered at IBM. Have any of you seen >any? I've been hoping for the ether/modem top-end version. Any insights? That's exactly what I'm typing this message with (2647-84U). I ordered back in the beginning of May, and it just came on Friday. So there is hope! Cheers, Andy --=====================_92160880==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Steve,

Anyone seen one, yet? I have had two on order for quite a while, but, as far as I know, they are still back-ordered at IBM. Have any of you seen any? I've been hoping for the ether/modem top-end version. Any insights?

That's exactly what I'm typing this message with (2647-84U).  I ordered back in the beginning of May, and it just came on Friday.  So there is hope!

Cheers,
Andy

--=====================_92160880==_.ALT-- From cph Mon Jun 26 10:55:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA07991 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:55:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10834; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:51:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10448; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10425; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:51:26 -0400 Received: from intellistation (vkyr-home.lav.de [194.64.62.36]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA19227 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:51:16 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: "THINKPAD" Subject: DVDExpress under Win 2K & 770e Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:49:25 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id KAA10834 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA07992 Hello, does somebody know if Mediamatics DVDExpress still runs under Win2K on a TP770e with the Enhanced Video Adapter? I've tried out the IBM 770 MPEG Features IV with MS DVDPlay, like recommendet: 1. From the command shell or run window, execute regedit. 2. Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\IBM\IBMDVD 3. Under Edit, New, String Value add HWAC3. 4. Double click on HWAC3 and in the value data field enter a "1" (DO NOT INCLUDE THE QUOTE MARKS). 5. When DVDPlay is executed, the hardware AC3 decoder is now active. But when I use it this way, I don't hear any sounds from DVD-Movies, I tested it with a DVD movie version of MATRIX. When I instead set the above value to "0" (meaning disabling EVA hardware support) I have sound and eveything seems to work perfectly (?). So I think that enabling EVA-support doesn't fully work, since the sound seems not to be transfered, or I'am somehow wrong? However, the IBM 770 MPEG Features IV documentation is a little bit irretating, first speaking generally of Mediamatics DVDExpress and then just mentioning MS-DVDPlay for W2K. Now my question is, if it is still possible(works) to use the Win95/98 version of Mediamatics DVDExpress under Win2K and if this really then still supports the EVA? Thanks for any help or comments! Valentino Kyriakides -- ISION Internet AG, Büro Hamburg City, "Elbhof" Tel.: +49 40 65808-0 Steinhöft 9, D-20459 Hamburg, Germany Fax.: +49 40 65808-202 http://www.ision.net/ http://www.lavielle.de/ eMail: vkyr@lavielle.com From cph Mon Jun 26 12:15:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA08506 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:15:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17649; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:13:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17365; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17351; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:13:07 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:08:19 -0400 Message-ID: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1E78@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: "'Valentino Kyriakides '" , "'THINKPAD '" Subject: RE: DVDExpress under Win 2K & 770e Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:08:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA08507 Greeting, I have a 770ED (PII/266, 228mB RAM) dual booting Win98SE/win2k. On the 98 partion I have Mediamatics DVDExpress version4 working well with hardware acceleration (EVA card). My understanding is IBM will give you v5 (which will work under W2k, unlike v4), but it SPECIFICALLY relies on software for decoding and it will not use the hardware acceleration. I've got v5 on my 770ED's W2k partion (version 5.00.00.49.3) and it will work "ok" if you cut down the screen resolution to 800 x 600 and 256 colors, but it is not as smooth as the W2k dvd player that uses the DEVA card. I've just been using the Microsoft player in W2k. Works for me. My guess is you need about 366mHz in the 770 (minimum) for acceptable software mpeg2 decoding (Under w2k). Regards, Neil Numerous Thinkpads -----Original Message----- From: Valentino Kyriakides To: THINKPAD Sent: 6/26/00 10:49 AM Subject: DVDExpress under Win 2K & 770e Hello, does somebody know if Mediamatics DVDExpress still runs under Win2K on a TP770e with the Enhanced Video Adapter? I've tried out the IBM 770 MPEG Features IV with MS DVDPlay, like recommendet: 1. From the command shell or run window, execute regedit. 2. Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\IBM\IBMDVD 3. Under Edit, New, String Value add HWAC3. 4. Double click on HWAC3 and in the value data field enter a "1" (DO NOT INCLUDE THE QUOTE MARKS). 5. When DVDPlay is executed, the hardware AC3 decoder is now active. But when I use it this way, I don't hear any sounds from DVD-Movies, I tested it with a DVD movie version of MATRIX. When I instead set the above value to "0" (meaning disabling EVA hardware support) I have sound and eveything seems to work perfectly (?). So I think that enabling EVA-support doesn't fully work, since the sound seems not to be transfered, or I'am somehow wrong? However, the IBM 770 MPEG Features IV documentation is a little bit irretating, first speaking generally of Mediamatics DVDExpress and then just mentioning MS-DVDPlay for W2K. Now my question is, if it is still possible(works) to use the Win95/98 version of Mediamatics DVDExpress under Win2K and if this really then still supports the EVA? Thanks for any help or comments! Valentino Kyriakides -- ISION Internet AG, Büro Hamburg City, "Elbhof" Tel.: +49 40 65808-0 Steinhöft 9, D-20459 Hamburg, Germany Fax.: +49 40 65808-202 http://www.ision.net/ http://www.lavielle.de/ eMail: vkyr@lavielle.com From cph Mon Jun 26 15:15:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA10057 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:14:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03293; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:11:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03005; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02989; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:11:03 -0400 Received: from intellistation (vkyr-home.lav.de [194.64.62.36]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01566; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:10:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" Cc: "THINKPAD" Subject: RE: DVDExpress under Win 2K & 770e Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:09:05 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1E78@exch1.smh.com> List-Unsubscribe: First of all, thanks for the information. You wrote: > I have a 770ED (PII/266, 228mB RAM) dual booting Win98SE/win2k. On the 98 > partion I have Mediamatics DVDExpress version4 working well with hardware > acceleration (EVA card). My understanding is IBM will give you v5 (which > will work under W2k, unlike v4), but it SPECIFICALLY relies on > software for > decoding and it will not use the hardware acceleration. I've got v5 on my > 770ED's W2k partion (version 5.00.00.49.3) and it will work "ok" > if you cut > down the screen resolution to 800 x 600 and 256 colors, Well so this seems not to be the ideal solution for my 770E (PII/266 with 160MB RAM). As I have the hardware acceleration (EVA card), I would of course like to use it since a PII/266 isn't the right powerhorse for plain software decoders. BTW, in the latest popular and famous german c't magazin only two software DVD players got good critism. One of them was "WinDVD 2000 v2.1" and the other one was "Software DVD Player" v1.0 from Ravisent. However, so I stay with W2Ks DVDPlay. > but it is not as > smooth as the W2k dvd player that uses the DEVA card. I've just been using > the Microsoft player in W2k. Works for me. What's about the registry entry HWAC3 under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\IBM\IBMDVD did enabling this (setting to "1") worked with sound for you? Greetings Valentino Kyriakides From cph Mon Jun 26 16:03:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA10416 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:03:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06933; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:01:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06721; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06700; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:01:37 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03342; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006262001.QAA03342@astro.cs.utk.edu> X-URI: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ X-PGP-Key: 2F07A741 ; 78 15 8E 8B C0 06 5D D1 BC 08 05 7F 42 81 7E 90 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [product announcement] www.LaptopGlove.com cc: moore@cs.utk.edu From: Keith Moore Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:01:36 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu List-Unsubscribe: [Note from the list admin: "Georgiy Brusovanik" asked for permission to advertise his product on the ThinkPad list. 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From cph Mon Jun 26 18:24:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA11356 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:24:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17563; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:21:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17389; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17375; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:21:11 -0400 Received: from jnipper (jaxtnt1-141.fdn.com [216.199.4.155]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA12855 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <395800E5.5D71@southeast.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:20:03 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 486 Thinkpad Screen Setting Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello Everyone, I have decided to start using my old 486 Thinkpad (755c) again, for some things. When I bought it sometime ago, the software was somewhat messed up, so when I stoped using it several months ago, I went and formatted the HDD. Anyway, I have reinstalled Windows 95 onto the machine, and have most everything setup, other than the screen. (TFT)......... It will not go above 16 colors, when I try to set it to 256, it says there is a problem with my display adapter, then I have to change it back to the 16 color setting. My question, Is there a special driver I need in order for the machine to setup the TFT screen correctly? Right now I have the following for Monitor: LCD 640x480, and have also tried to use: Standard 640x480 VGA monitor, both with no luck. Can someone please tell me what I need to do to get this computers screen setup right???????? I do not have any Original disks for it, Thanks, Jim PS-DOES ANYONE HAPPEN TO HAVE AN OLDER ide CD ROM DRIVE FOR CHEAP? I NEED ONE FOR THE DOCKING STATION. -- -------------------- Reguards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net Thinkpad 1420i Owner: Intel 433 Celeron 32 Ram 4.3 Gig HDD 1.44 Floppy 24x CD 56k WinModem 13' HPA Display Win 98 SE Judge Jackson, explain to me how splitting Microsoft in two will enhance competition... From cph Mon Jun 26 18:31:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA11387 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:31:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18200; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:29:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18069; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18043; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.2 -> mail.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:29:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 9624 invoked by alias); 26 Jun 2000 21:47:29 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 56273 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jun 2000 21:20:48 -0000 Received: from dialupf230.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (207.225.146.230) by mail.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 2000 21:20:48 -0000 Message-ID: <000501bfdfb4$833d6750$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: , Subject: OpenLinux on T20 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:21:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: It looks like IBM is actually taking orders for a ThinkPad T20 pre-loaded with Linux: 2647-L1U $4099 PIII 750 128M 20G 14.1T LNX The prices seems kind of outrageous, since the 92U is the same price, and has Windows 2000 and a DVD drive, but at least it's there. No Windows tax, but you pay for (I guess) the loss of economies of scale. Who's gonna buy one? Chris From cph Mon Jun 26 18:55:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA11511 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:55:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19536; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:45:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19180; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19161; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:45:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.9 -> imo-r09.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:45:02 -0400 Received: from Kernow62@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id o.c9.622bc9d (2616) for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:44:59 EDT Subject: re: 486 Thinkpad Screen Setting Problem To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 List-Unsubscribe: I had the same trouble with my old 380ED, I went to IBM's site and downloaded the latest video drivers, & voila, works as it should. Give it a try. Jim. From cph Mon Jun 26 20:21:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA12036 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:21:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26382; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:18:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26218; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26205; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:18:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA63615; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:18:46 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 486 Thinkpad Screen Setting Problem In-Reply-To: <395800E5.5D71@southeast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Computer-Guru wrote: > PS-DOES ANYONE HAPPEN TO HAVE AN OLDER ide CD ROM DRIVE FOR CHEAP? I > NEED ONE FOR THE DOCKING STATION. How cheap do you need? A brand new 52x IDE CD-ROM is going for under $40 locally. I'm sure a slower model will sell for less in the retail store of your choice. -- David Goldman From cph Mon Jun 26 21:41:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA12539 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:41:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00448; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:38:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00164; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00150; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:38:51 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a18.pm3-24.theriver.com [206.102.192.34]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B55261BC; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:37:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39580626.5E1F4ACF@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:40:54 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: OpenLinux on T20 References: <000501bfdfb4$833d6750$1000a8c0@cschumann> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Chris Schumann wrote: > > It looks like IBM is actually taking orders for a ThinkPad T20 pre-loaded > with Linux: > > 2647-L1U $4099 PIII 750 128M 20G 14.1T LNX > > The prices seems kind of outrageous, since the 92U is the same price, and > has Windows 2000 and a DVD drive, but at least it's there. > > No Windows tax, but you pay for (I guess) the loss of economies of scale. > > Who's gonna buy one? Not me. I've been having fun loading OpenLinux onto a 600E. Look forward to documenting my efforts (and a Thinkpad 760ED). I would guess that it would better to pay the "tax" and then buy Linux in the aftermarket. However, if we bought a few of these, maybe IBM would realize that there is a real Linux market and give those of use with MWave modems and soundcards "drivers" for them. James Mckenzie From cph Mon Jun 26 22:17:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA12738 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:17:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02971; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:14:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02728; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02714; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (199.224.64.56 -> lima.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:14:14 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp62.epix.net [199.224.125.62]) by lima.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000052301/PL) with SMTP id e5R2ECx18053 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006270214.e5R2ECx18053@lima.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:13:33 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: A20 and OS2 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zf/19zf List-Unsubscribe: What's the story on the A20 and OS2? Are there any gotchas? Internal modem? -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- Uncle Ed's Rule of Thumb: Never use your thumb for a rule. You'll either hit it with a hammer or get a splinter in it. From cph Mon Jun 26 22:34:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA12850 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:34:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03923; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:31:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03782; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03769; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:31:42 -0400 Received: from laptop ([32.100.144.209]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000062702313923903dv0q2e>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:31:40 +0000 Message-ID: <001501bfdfdf$e9ed3040$d1906420@laptop> Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Nameplate on Thinkpad 560e Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:32:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Is there a place on the case of a Thinkpad 560E for one of those nameplates IBM used to give out? I would like to give one to my brother as a present, but want to be sure there is a place to stick it. ----- Original Message ----- > My company has been standardized on ThinkPad's for several years. We solved > the problem by dealing directly with IBM's vendor. When we hire a new > employee, one of the details is to automatically order the nameplate from > the vendor: > All Star Engraving > 1917 W. Copans Road > Pompano Beach Fl. 33064 > 800-330-4809 > Fax: 954-972-8836 > > The nameplates cost 6.50 each plus 1.50 shipping per order, but to us it's worth it to not have the > frustration and delays -- plus, the company's service has always been prompt > and good. > > Hope this helps, > David Black > From cph Tue Jun 27 01:12:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA13435 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:12:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10643; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:09:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10492; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10479; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:09:13 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-384.gate.net [199.227.131.193]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA63688; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:09:10 -0400 Message-ID: <395836FF.E0EFFACF@gate.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:09:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Thomas CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20 and OS2 References: <200006270214.e5R2ECx18053@lima.epix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a customer who does OS/2 only.. he did the research and from what i recall from his rantings, yes, there are all the OS/2 drivers for the A series.. Julian Thomas wrote: > What's the story on the A20 and OS2? Are there any gotchas? Internal > modem? > > > -- > Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt > In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! > Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc > http://www.possi.org > -- -- > Uncle Ed's Rule of Thumb: Never use your thumb for a rule. > You'll either hit it with a hammer or get a splinter in it. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Jun 27 01:15:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA13459 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:15:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11014; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:12:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10857; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10844; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:12:39 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-384.gate.net [199.227.131.193]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13892; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:12:21 -0400 Message-ID: <395837C2.B3443C8F@gate.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:12:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: OpenLinux on T20 References: <000501bfdfb4$833d6750$1000a8c0@cschumann> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i have noticed that the w2k and the w98 machines all seem to be priced the same, now.. since this recent and massive price cutting by IBM.. Chris Schumann wrote: > It looks like IBM is actually taking orders for a ThinkPad T20 pre-loaded > with Linux: > > 2647-L1U $4099 PIII 750 128M 20G 14.1T LNX > > The prices seems kind of outrageous, since the 92U is the same price, and > has Windows 2000 and a DVD drive, but at least it's there. > > No Windows tax, but you pay for (I guess) the loss of economies of scale. > > Who's gonna buy one? > > Chris -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Jun 27 01:16:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA13463 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:16:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11242; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:14:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10939; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10926; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:14:00 -0400 Received: from accumedia.com (houdini.accumedia.com [172.16.130.2]) by server.accumedia.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5R53i911835 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:03:44 -0600 content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: A20 vs T20? 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Has anyone seen both machines? What do = you think of the differences? We had an extended discussion about the = differences between the two in an effort to decide which model we should = base our Thinkpad profiles on. One side of the discussion is the added = power of the A20. The downside is the weight (although the size seems to = be reduced from the 700 series). What are your thoughts on the weight of = the A20 when compared to a 700, a 600, and a T series? What about = features? What would be your choice and why?

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From cph Tue Jun 27 01:35:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA13500 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:35:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12228; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:32:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12099; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-3.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12079; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-3.smartworld.net (216.70.64.34 -> mrs-3.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:32:29 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (1Cust167.tnt28.dfw5.da.uu.net [63.27.211.167]) by mrs-3.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA84438 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39583C6A.DAAE13B4@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 00:32:26 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: [TP760L] Problem... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a ThinkPad 760L that I picked up on Ebay as broken. It works, but will shut off after booting from a hard drive. I can play with the BIOS setup all day and it won't shut off. I can boot a floppy into DOS and play with DOS all day. However, when I try to boot a hard drive into DOS, or a floppy with more than just DOS (IBM bios upgrade disk for example), it will shut off immediately after the OS splash screen displays. When it shuts off, the machine won't turn on again. If I press the power button, it beeps twice. It will beep twice every time I push the button. The only way to get it to come on again is to disconnect the power supply and press the power button, then reconnect. If I simply disconnect and reconnect the power supply, it won't work. I MUST press the power button while no power is connected to get it to power up again. This laptop does not have a battery, but my TP560X and TP755CE don't require a battery installed to work properly, so I wouldn't think this one would either. Anyone seen this before? -- Shawn Lin http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ From cph Tue Jun 27 01:47:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA13524 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:47:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12708; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:39:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12594; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltdpop4.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12581; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltdpop4.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.4 -> ptldpop4.ptld.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:39:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 93643 invoked by alias); 27 Jun 2000 05:39:55 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 93628 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jun 2000 05:39:55 -0000 Received: from cdialup110.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.65.110) by ptldpop4.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 27 Jun 2000 05:39:55 -0000 Message-ID: <39583D35.EDAF0A09@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:35:49 -0700 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pctech@southeast.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 486 Thinkpad Screen Setting Problem References: <395800E5.5D71@southeast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Computer-Guru wrote: > My question, Is there a special driver I need in order for the machine > to setup the TFT screen correctly? Yes, get the win95 setup disk from the ibm site. > > PS-DOES ANYONE HAPPEN TO HAVE AN OLDER ide CD ROM DRIVE FOR CHEAP? I > NEED ONE FOR THE DOCKING STATION. Warning you need special ide adapter cables for that to work. Personally I use a Microsolutions backpack parallel port drive. (Has drivers for OS/2, win9x, winNT, linux, etc) > > -- > -------------------- > Reguards, > Computer-Guru > pctech@southeast.net > > Thinkpad 1420i Owner: > Intel 433 Celeron > 32 Ram > 4.3 Gig HDD > 1.44 Floppy > 24x CD > 56k WinModem > 13' HPA Display > Win 98 SE > > Judge Jackson, explain to me how > splitting Microsoft in two will enhance > competition... -- Patrick West pgp 2.6.2 key fingerprint = 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E 41 From cph Tue Jun 27 08:48:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA14759 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:48:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02442; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:45:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02142; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02129; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.153 -> ds-img-7.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:45:43 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id IAA13942 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:45:15 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Kludged Driver for Older 755 screens Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200006270845_MC2-AA47-7B83@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA14760 I know some guys here in UK that have dealings with IBM and mentioned that they had had at some point in the past, a 'kludged' set of video drivers for some of the 75x models to enable them to support 800x600 256col... Unfortunately, they sold the machine with the drivers installed and did not take any copies!! Does anyone else out there have a copy by any chance?? Cheers Mark From cph Tue Jun 27 09:04:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA14844 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:04:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03384; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:02:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03246; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03233; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:02:32 -0400 Received: from laptop ([32.100.144.89]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000062713015225200hsc1se>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:01:53 +0000 Message-ID: <004701bfe038$09fb0760$59906420@laptop> Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: "ThinkPad List" References: <001501bfdfdf$e9ed3040$d1906420@laptop> Subject: Re: Nameplate on Thinkpad 560e Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:03:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I got lots of replies off-line. The consensus is that there is a place for the nameplate on the bottom-left-front of the case. Thanks everyone for your response! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Franklin" To: "ThinkPad List" Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 8:32 PM Subject: Nameplate on Thinkpad 560e > Is there a place on the case of a Thinkpad 560E for one of those nameplates > IBM used to give out? I would like to give one to my brother as a present, > but want to be sure there is a place to stick it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > My company has been standardized on ThinkPad's for several years. We > solved > > the problem by dealing directly with IBM's vendor. When we hire a new > > employee, one of the details is to automatically order the nameplate from > > the vendor: > > All Star Engraving > > 1917 W. Copans Road > > Pompano Beach Fl. 33064 > > 800-330-4809 > > Fax: 954-972-8836 > > > > The nameplates cost 6.50 each plus 1.50 shipping per order, but to us it's > worth it to not have the > > frustration and delays -- plus, the company's service has always been > prompt > > and good. > > > > Hope this helps, > > David Black > > > > > > From cph Tue Jun 27 09:20:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA14914 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:20:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05302; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:18:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05077; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05064; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.3 -> ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:18:31 -0400 Received: (qmail 42726 invoked by alias); 27 Jun 2000 13:18:29 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 42703 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jun 2000 13:18:28 -0000 Received: from dialupo148.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.84.148) by ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 27 Jun 2000 13:18:28 -0000 Message-ID: <3958A926.9ACAFD18@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 06:16:22 -0700 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: Kludged Driver for Older 755 screens References: <200006270845_MC2-AA47-7B83@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: That wasn't a kludge at all. Some of the 755 came with screens that were built as 800 by 600 When they ran at 640 by 480 the only used the center part of the screen leaving the outer part black. Also the video drivers for the series (the some of the 360s) supported using 800 by 600 on an external monitor even when the laptop screen was 640 by 480 Mark Gardiner wrote: > > I know some guys here in UK that have dealings with IBM and mentioned that > they had had at some point in the past, a 'kludged' set of video drivers > for some of the 75x models to enable them to support 800x600 256col... > Unfortunately, they sold the machine with the drivers installed and did not > take any copies!! > > Does anyone else out there have a copy by any chance?? > > Cheers > > Mark -- Patrick West pgpkey 2.6.2 fingerprint is 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E 41 From cph Tue Jun 27 09:31:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA14965 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:31:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06637; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:29:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06301; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06279; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:29:41 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jax7-089.leading.net [216.199.5.89]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA01254; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3958D5CB.2C09@southeast.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:26:51 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: patrickwest@uswest.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 486 Thinkpad Screen Setting Problem References: <395800E5.5D71@southeast.net> <39583D35.EDAF0A09@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: As far as I know it will work right without any adapter. I used my friends 4x IDE cd rom in the unit to test it, and it worked fine. I am using the larger Docking Station. Jim -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Tue Jun 27 10:18:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA15216 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:18:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11269; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:15:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10976; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10949; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (216.70.64.24 -> mrs-1-fix.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:15:09 -0400 Received: from c454306b (1Cust231.tnt11.vancouver.bc.da.uu.net [64.10.134.231]) by mrs-1.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA76062; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003d01bfe042$09646120$e7860a40@c454306b> Reply-To: "peter machule" From: "peter machule" To: "thinkpad" Cc: "Mark Gardiner" <100550.3170@compuserve.com> References: <395800E5.5D71@southeast.net> <39583D35.EDAF0A09@uswest.net> <3958D5CB.2C09@southeast.net> Subject: Re: 486 Thinkpad Screen Setting Problem Re: Vesa.com Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:14:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: The TP 75X win95 driver is a "kludge" .;-] The WD 90C24 does not have "working" support under Win95 You need to install IBM's vesa.com to support 256 colors . It's buried in the Win95 setup disk from IBM. Does anyone have the exact detail of how their 755 loads vesa.com. I can't install the piece of crap since we enabled fat 32 on the little TP 370 here. A 370 is a 755C without the sound card. I assume is just: vesa.com in the autoexec.bat but are any parmeters passed? Or did they use a little .inf or whatever file . I tried this more than a few weeks ago ;-] Re CDROM in Docking station 2 . The 760 series needs the adapter . The 755's are fine without. You are so lucky that you have the special cable though !!! ...peter. ----- Original Message ----- From: Computer-Guru To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 9:26 AM Subject: Re: 486 Thinkpad Screen Setting Problem > As far as I know it will work right without any adapter. I used my > friends 4x IDE cd rom in the unit to test it, and it worked fine. I am > using the larger Docking Station. > > Jim > -- > > Regards, > > Computer-Guru > pctech@southeast.net > ===================== > From cph Tue Jun 27 10:49:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA15388 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:49:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13728; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:47:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13521; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web111.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13508; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web111.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.81 -> web111.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:47:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 271 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2000 14:46:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000627144655.268.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web111.yahoomail.com; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:46:55 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:46:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: [TP760L] Problem... To: "Shawn R. Lin" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Sounds like it's going into Stand by. You can get the same results by selecting Start/Shutdown/Stand by in Windows, pressing Fn plus F4, or closing the lid. Maybe the switch for lid closure is bad. Try checking the switch or pressing Fn + F4 to wake it up again. --- "Shawn R. Lin" wrote: > I have a ThinkPad 760L that I picked up on Ebay as > broken. > It works, but will shut off after booting from a > hard drive. I can play > with the BIOS setup all day and it won't shut off. > I can boot a floppy > into DOS and play with DOS all day. However, when I > try to boot a hard > drive into DOS, or a floppy with more than just DOS > (IBM bios upgrade > disk for example), it will shut off immediately > after the OS splash > screen displays. When it shuts off, the machine > won't turn on again. > If I press the power button, it beeps twice. It > will beep twice every > time I push the button. The only way to get it to > come on again is to > disconnect the power supply and press the power > button, then reconnect. > If I simply disconnect and reconnect the power > supply, it won't work. I > MUST press the power button while no power is > connected to get it to > power up again. > > This laptop does not have a battery, but my TP560X > and TP755CE don't > require a battery installed to work properly, so I > wouldn't think this > one would either. > > Anyone seen this before? > > -- > Shawn Lin > http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Tue Jun 27 10:55:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA15432 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:55:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14382; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:53:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14169; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Viola.Opus1.COM (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14156; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Viola.Opus1.COM (192.245.12.8 -> Viola.Opus1.COM) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:53:14 -0400 Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.2-33 #9830) id <01JR393P3JJKAM4BOW@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:53:01 MST Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:50:41 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Kludged Driver for Older 755 screens In-reply-to: "Your message dated Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:45:15 -0400" <200006270845_MC2-AA47-7B83@compuserve.com> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad Message-id: <01JR399ZTC4GAM4BOW@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> said - > I know some guys here in UK that have dealings with IBM and mentioned that > they had had at some point in the past, a 'kludged' set of video drivers > for some of the 75x models to enable them to support 800x600 256col... > Unfortunately, they sold the machine with the drivers installed and did not > take any copies!! Bummer -- but my 755 doesn't have that many pixels. So what did this set of drivers do, allow you to pan across the image, or ??? Anyway I'd be interested in a copy myself. Billy Y.. From cph Tue Jun 27 12:15:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15924 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:15:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21213; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:08:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20682; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20669; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.32 -> smtp.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:08:44 -0400 Received: from d368.as1.clmb.oh.voyager.net (HELO daveb) (216.28.53.112) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2000 08:48:25 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Dave B." To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Cc: "Shawn R. Lin" Subject: RE: [TP760L] Problem... Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:48:25 -0400 Keywords: Miscellaneous Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39583C6A.DAAE13B4@mail.orion.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Shawn, In my experience managing some 20 student laptops (TP 760XL) as part of my last job, you *need* a battery installed in order to run a BIOS update. This is for safety in case the power goes out, the cord is tripped over and removed from the wall, etc. By having the battery installed at the time of the update, you help to ensure that you don't turn your ThinkPad into a large paperweight should the power be interrupted. Additionally, at least for the 760XL, the BIOS update will refuse to run if the battery is not charged to around 75% or more. I found that the best way to get a TP to behave better is to go into the BIOS setup and initialize the BIOS to the factory settings. I haven't used a 760L, but I will assume its BIOS is setup much the same as the 760XL and would have the "Initialize" option. You may also wish to reset the boot devices to their default settings. After this is done, run the BIOS diagnostics to see what -- if anything -- it claims is bad. You may also wish to remove any PC Card devices which might happen to be installed in the slots in case they are causing some strange conflict. Beeping twice is generally an indication that the computer has entered some type of power management mode, I believe. As an alternative to unplugging it, the 760XL has a reset button in the back behind the port cover; try pressing that with a pencil or pen. Finally, if you bought it as "broken," it may, indeed, be bad. :-) Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn R. Lin [mailto:slin01@mail.orion.org] > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 01:32 AM > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: [TP760L] Problem... > > > I have a ThinkPad 760L that I picked up on Ebay as broken. > It works, but will shut off after booting from a hard drive. > I can play with the BIOS setup all day and it won't shut off. > I can boot a floppy into DOS and play with DOS all day. > However, when I try to boot a hard drive into DOS, or a > floppy with more than just DOS (IBM bios upgrade disk for > example), it will shut off immediately after the OS splash > screen displays. When it shuts off, the machine won't turn > on again. > If I press the power button, it beeps twice. It will beep > twice every time I push the button. The only way to get it > to come on again is to disconnect the power supply and press > the power button, then reconnect. If I simply disconnect and > reconnect the power supply, it won't work. I MUST press the > power button while no power is connected to get it to power > up again. > > This laptop does not have a battery, but my TP560X and TP755CE > don't require a battery installed to work properly, so I > wouldn't think this one would either. > > Anyone seen this before? > > -- > Shawn Lin > http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Tue Jun 27 12:38:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA16112 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:38:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23824; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:32:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23621; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23608; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (192.108.254.26 -> mail1.teleport.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:32:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 20307 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2000 16:32:43 -0000 Received: from i48-04-03.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO teleport.com) (216.26.2.195) by mail1.teleport.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2000 16:32:43 -0000 Message-ID: <3958D719.CB601242@teleport.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:32:25 -0700 From: Bryan Daum Reply-To: mail.teleport.com@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: New 600E from Egghead report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Though not a new model I thought I should announce my new baby: a 600E PII/366 TFT 64 meg 6.4G HD w/DVD. All was new in sealed ibm box with full IBM 3 yr warranty purchased through Egghead's auction site without a hitch. I did call Egghead once with some questions and they were very polite and helpful. -A BIG thank you to the poster that mentioned the big price reductions through Egghead! My report: This thing is bigger, brighter and faster than my beloved (but broken hinged) 701C -by a ton. Though I had hoped for a 600X I could not justify the near thousand dollar increase for a new x w/dvd. The 600 is a nice as everyone had said that it would be....as I read their reports "way back then". The keyboard is great but way different than the 701 that I really liked -I am a toutch typist and keyboard feel is very important to me. There certainly is less movement than on the 701 but the IBM quality feel is there. The plam rest is more comfortable for sure. Though I like the palm rest and screen acreage I'll miss the litte 701's form factor -wish IBM would have (or would) poop it up and re-release it. Untill the day the hinge cracked the butterfly keyboard still wow'ed em at Starbucks... The screen is just huge and brighter, it has no dead pixels. The internal modem connects without a problem but from where I'm using it I never get more than 45 bps indicated speed -phone lines? I have yet to get a DVD movie to try but will tomorrow. Though I am very pleased with the speed I expect to upgrade the memory just because I think I should from what I have read on the list. I suppose I will get a 128 meg chip when I can afford it.... (Anyone selling any ram at a good price???!!!) Questions: The ac charger gets HOT! Is this normal? Note: For "laptop use" the 600 runs cooler than my 586 upgraded 701. Any tips on the 600E for the non technical? Any special sites besides this one? Bryan From cph Tue Jun 27 12:59:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA16243 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:59:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26769; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:53:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26589; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26576; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (216.70.64.26 -> mrs-2-fix.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:53:15 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (1Cust44.tnt28.dfw5.da.uu.net [63.27.211.44]) by mrs-2.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA63343 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3958DBF8.67A63A1D@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:53:12 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP760L] Problem Solved! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I was able to solve the problem with my TP760L shutting off just after booting thanks to the help of those on the list. I would just like to publicly thank the following people for the helpful replies: Denis Hall Steve C. Dave B. Turns out the problem was indeed because the machine was going into standby due to the keyboard closure switch. The switch itself is good, but the part of the case on the inside which depresses that switch when the keyboard is closed was broken off. I guess someone knocked it off when they were removing or installing the battery. I guess I'll just have to use some kind of kludge to keep the switch depressed at all times unless I happen to come across a good case on Ebay. Thanks again for the help! -- Shawn Lin http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ From cph Tue Jun 27 14:12:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA16829 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:12:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02963; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:06:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02768; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02755; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:06:07 -0400 Received: from default - 63.27.183.232 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:05:41 -0700 Message-ID: <004201bfe061$0ff00160$01fb163f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: IBM Parts number Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:56:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Can anyone verify the parts number 25F8545 Is this a 12.1 TFT for the 560 series? Thanks! It's not a good number at the IBM site, and the display itself is no longer available From cph Tue Jun 27 17:33:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA18536 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:33:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18847; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:28:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18501; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot007.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18485; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot007.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.107 -> pilot007.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:28:45 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.26]) by pilot007.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA110482 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:28:43 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000627172809.00e259c0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:29:38 -0400 To: "Think" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: IBM Parts number In-Reply-To: <004201bfe061$0ff00160$01fb163f@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I don't think thats a good part number, Brad. I just went to bluestarusa.com and they say it's a $25.00 part and they have 15 on hand. Go to their site and click on search and try it. If it IS a TFT display you're in real luck, but I can't see any TFT that cheap. --STeve Andre' At 12:56 PM 6/27/00 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >25F8545 From cph Tue Jun 27 17:51:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA18681 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:51:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20453; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:48:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20285; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20272; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (204.60.6.55 -> smtp.snet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:48:44 -0400 Received: from snet.net (nrwc-sh2-port175.snet.net [204.60.28.175]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with ESMTP id RAA09689 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39592140.CE530A08@snet.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:48:48 -0400 From: Marc Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: ThinkPad 755CD question--- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Just picked up another older TP, the 755CD. I've seen discussions here about "Mwave" and possible conflicts. My question to the group is, under Win95, if I install a PCMCIA 56K modem, what (if any) will the ramifications be? Should W95 detect it? Will I have to in any way disable this "Mwave" as to not create a conflict? Thanks, Marc S. From cph Tue Jun 27 17:54:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA18701 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:54:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20817; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:51:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20672; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20656; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:51:41 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-416.gate.net [199.227.173.162]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15730; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:51:38 -0400 Message-ID: <395921F8.8BBA0850@gate.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:51:53 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mail.teleport.com@cs.utk.edu CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: New 600E from Egghead report References: <3958D719.CB601242@teleport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bryan.. Long Live the Butterfly..!! :-) but over 2 million thinkpad 600 users can't all br wrong.. IMO the 600E that you have is one really nice thinkpad.. ther AC adapter should not get any hotter than the one you have for the 701.. Bryan Daum wrote: > Though not a new model I thought I should announce my new baby: a 600E > PII/366 TFT 64 meg 6.4G HD w/DVD. All was new in sealed ibm box with > full IBM 3 yr warranty purchased through Egghead's auction site without > a hitch. I did call Egghead once with some questions and they were very > polite and helpful. > > -A BIG thank you to the poster that mentioned the big price reductions > through Egghead! > > My report: This thing is bigger, brighter and faster than my beloved > (but broken hinged) 701C -by a ton. Though I had hoped for a 600X I > could not justify the near thousand dollar increase for a new x w/dvd. > > The 600 is a nice as everyone had said that it would be....as I read > their reports "way back then". The keyboard is great but way different > than the 701 that I really liked -I am a toutch typist and keyboard feel > is very important to me. There certainly is less movement than on the > 701 but the IBM quality feel is there. The plam rest is more comfortable > for sure. > > Though I like the palm rest and screen acreage I'll miss the litte 701's > form factor -wish IBM would have (or would) poop it up and re-release > it. Untill the day the hinge cracked the butterfly keyboard still > wow'ed em at Starbucks... > > The screen is just huge and brighter, it has no dead pixels. The > internal modem connects without a problem but from where I'm using it I > never get more than 45 bps indicated speed -phone lines? > > I have yet to get a DVD movie to try but will tomorrow. Though I am > very pleased with the speed I expect to upgrade the memory just because > I think I should from what I have read on the list. I suppose I will > get a 128 meg chip when I can afford it.... (Anyone selling any ram at > a good price???!!!) > > Questions: > > The ac charger gets HOT! Is this normal? Note: For "laptop use" the > 600 runs cooler than my 586 upgraded 701. > > Any tips on the 600E for the non technical? Any special sites besides > this one? > > Bryan -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Jun 27 18:08:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18846 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:08:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21909; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:06:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21720; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21706; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (216.70.64.26 -> mrs-2-fix.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:06:12 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (2Cust76.tnt10.dfw5.da.uu.net [63.22.215.204]) by mrs-2.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA70055 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39592550.BB5620F2@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:06:08 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: Parts for my 760L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: What's the best source for parts for my 760L? I need a DIMM cover for it, and the silly thing is $25.00 from bluestarusa.com. Is that the cheapest source, or is there a better place for parts? -- Shawn Lin http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ From cph Tue Jun 27 21:04:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA20017 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:04:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00505; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:01:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00313; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00297; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.1 -> ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:01:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 26299 invoked by alias); 28 Jun 2000 01:01:07 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 26275 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jun 2000 01:01:06 -0000 Received: from dialupg175.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.87.175) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 01:01:06 -0000 Message-ID: <39594DCE.C0727E79@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:58:54 -0700 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: 755 screens References: <200006270845_MC2-AA47-7B83@compuserve.com> <3958A926.9ACAFD18@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Copying from my 360cse (640x480, 256 colors) Autoexec.bat c:\ibmvesa\vesa.exe -- Config.sys nothing -- Win.ini nothing -- System.ini [boot] fonts.fon=vgasys.fon fixedfon.fon=vgafix.fon oemfonts.fon=vgaoem.fon 386Grabber=vgafull.3gr display.drv=pnpdrvr.drv *DisplayFallback=0 [boot.description] aspect=100,96,96 display.drv=Western Digital [TTFontDimenCache] 0 12=5 12 0 13=6 12 0 14=7 14 0 15=7 15 0 16=8 16 0 18=10 18 0 20=10 20 0 22=12 22 -- Patrick West pgpkey 2.6.2 fingerprint is 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E 41 From cph Tue Jun 27 21:25:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA20113 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:25:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01692; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:22:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01495; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01481; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:22:35 -0400 Received: from sony ([12.68.1.199]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000628012232.DEMX2120.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@sony>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:22:32 +0000 Message-ID: <395953F8.81B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:25:12 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Swanson CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: ThinkPad 755CD question--- References: <39592140.CE530A08@snet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yes, you want to disable the internal modem using the PS2 commands from the DOS prompt, and also the MWAVE communications port. Also disable both in Device Manager. This will free up the resources for the PCMCIA modem Marc Swanson wrote: > > Just picked up another older TP, the 755CD. I've seen discussions here > about "Mwave" and possible conflicts. My question to the group is, > under Win95, if I install a PCMCIA 56K modem, what (if any) will the > ramifications be? Should W95 detect it? Will I have to in any way > disable this "Mwave" as to not create a conflict? > Thanks, > Marc S. From cph Tue Jun 27 21:25:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA20122 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:25:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02077; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:23:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01592; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01578; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:23:19 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jax7-101.leading.net [216.199.5.101]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29785; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006280122.VAA29785@smtp2.fdn.com> From: "Computer Guru" To: , "thinkpad" Subject: Re: 755 screens Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:42:17 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: What does this tell me? Should I paste some of that into the file on my laptop? Jim PS- Can using the wrong drivers cause damage to my display? -- Reguards, Computer Guru pctech@southeast.net -------------------------------------- From cph Tue Jun 27 21:49:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA20247 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:49:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03522; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:47:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03330; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03317; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.226 -> blount.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:47:06 -0400 Received: from user-38ld775.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld775.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.156.229]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA01921 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006280147.VAA01921@blount.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <39592140.CE530A08@snet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad 755CD question--- List-Unsubscribe: I don't think it's Mwave per se that creates a conflict. But if you use up all the IRQ's there will be a conflict somewhere. I have run two modems under the old Win3.1 with no problem merely by being careful about IRQ's and addresses. Mwave plus a pccard modem is the same.. Until Mindspring/Earthlink killed the feature, Netcom offered dual analog connectivity to 112K using two bonded modems. I played with that for a while using the built in Mwave on a 760 plus a 3COM 56K pccard modem and two phone lines. Worked fine, raising my "BAUD" to around 80K. Allan Ballard On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:48:48 -0400, Marc Swanson wrote: >Just picked up another older TP, the 755CD. I've seen discussions here >about "Mwave" and possible conflicts. My question to the group is, >under Win95, if I install a PCMCIA 56K modem, what (if any) will the >ramifications be? Should W95 detect it? Will I have to in any way >disable this "Mwave" as to not create a conflict? From cph Tue Jun 27 22:11:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA20349 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:11:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05100; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:08:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04942; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04929; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:08:33 -0400 Received: from default - 63.22.251.29 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:08:06 -0700 Message-ID: <007901bfe0a4$732c3a80$18cb1b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: Keeping my 560 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:59:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Since a $125 deal for a Toshiba 3010ct fell thru, I've decided just to keep my faithful 560 133/40/2.1/12.1tft computer for another year. Here are a few questions. Would upgrading to 72 megs make a difference? I spend alot of time on the net and on ebay selling my diecasts, and collectibles. I get 40-50 emails per day. I would like to see a little more speed, it just seems pokey lately. I'm running w95. I know I need a bigger HD, would windows 98 be quicker? I have a 33.6 modem but here in Kansas your lucky to get on at 28.8. I've had a couple 701c's. a 755, a toshiba 4850ct (built like a tank), but I really like this 560. Any ideas? Brad From cph Tue Jun 27 22:21:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA20412 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:21:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05715; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:19:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05616; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05601; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:19:27 -0400 Received: from default - 63.22.251.29 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:19:01 -0700 Message-ID: <009f01bfe0a5$f982fc80$18cb1b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Computer Guru" Cc: "Think" References: <200006280214.WAA01267@smtp2.fdn.com> Subject: Re: Keeping my 560 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:10:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I won't sell it, I'll just give it to a local school or foundation or something like that. LOT's of kids out there that have parents that can't afford computers. I know I was one of them. Brad ----- Original Message ----- From: Computer Guru To: Brad Burean Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 8:34 PM Subject: Re: Keeping my 560 > Brad, > > If and when you sell your 560, about what might you want for it? I would > like a backup unit sometime in the future.! > > > Jim > > -- > Reguards, > Computer Guru > pctech@southeast.net > -------------------------------------- From cph Tue Jun 27 22:57:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA20601 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:57:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08095; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:55:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07944; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ra.MsState.Edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07931; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ra.MsState.Edu (130.18.80.10 -> Ra.MsState.Edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:55:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (rss3@localhost); by Ra.MsState.Edu (8.10.2/8.10.2/ra_1.18) with ESMTP; id e5S2tCP10774 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:55:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:55:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Siva Ratnam Sivasingam To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: subscribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: subscribe From cph Wed Jun 28 00:08:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA20905 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:08:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11355; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:04:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11166; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lancaster.goamerica.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11153; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lancaster.goamerica.net (206.138.237.251 -> lancaster.goamerica.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:04:31 -0400 Received: from dragon.goamerica.net (dragon.goamerica.net [206.138.237.234]) by lancaster.goamerica.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA05085; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jmcjr (sttl6400gw3poolc21.sttl.uswest.net [63.225.175.21]) by dragon.goamerica.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA24974; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000627210416.00997d00@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:04:16 -0700 To: "Brad Burean" , "Think" From: Not Me Subject: Re: Keeping my 560 In-Reply-To: <007901bfe0a4$732c3a80$18cb1b3f@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:59 PM 6/27/00 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >Since a $125 deal for a Toshiba 3010ct fell thru, I've decided just to keep >my faithful 560 133/40/2.1/12.1tft computer for another year. Here are a >few questions. Would upgrading to 72 megs make a difference? I spend alot >of time on the net and on ebay selling my diecasts, and collectibles. I get >40-50 emails per day. I would like to see a little more speed, it just >seems pokey lately. I'm running w95. I know I need a bigger HD, would >windows 98 be quicker? I have a 33.6 modem but here in Kansas your lucky to >get on at 28.8. > >I've had a couple 701c's. a 755, a toshiba 4850ct (built like a tank), but I >really like this 560. Any ideas? > >Brad > > > > > In general, adding more memory is the single biggest improvement that you can make to get faster performance. In your case, a faster communications link may be the best thing. I have DSL and it is wonderful. If DSL or a cable modem is an option, consider it. Ebay pages load instantly. From cph Wed Jun 28 01:26:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA21223 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:26:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14765; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:23:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14617; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltdpop4.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14600; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltdpop4.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.4 -> ptldpop4.ptld.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:23:31 -0400 Received: (qmail 48215 invoked by alias); 28 Jun 2000 05:23:27 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 48188 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jun 2000 05:23:25 -0000 Received: from dialupi93.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.89.93) by ptldpop4.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 05:23:25 -0000 Message-ID: <39598AA2.D445E0BF@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:18:26 -0700 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: Re: blocked mail References: <200006280104.SAA14817@shell8.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Folks, Is it just me or does anyone sending a message to the list get one of these messages? Robert Nicholson wrote: > > In an effort to combat unsolicited email I've adopted a scheme Omitted > In this case you the originator of this message are not currently approved. Omitted -- Patrick West pgp 2.6.2 key fingerprint = 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E 41 From cph Wed Jun 28 01:34:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA21266 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:34:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15235; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:31:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15142; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltdpop4.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15123; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltdpop4.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.4 -> ptldpop4.ptld.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:31:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 54615 invoked by alias); 28 Jun 2000 05:31:20 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 54609 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jun 2000 05:31:19 -0000 Received: from dialupi93.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.89.93) by ptldpop4.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 05:31:19 -0000 Message-ID: <39598C7D.84B6C3@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:26:21 -0700 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: Re: 755 screens References: <200006280122.VAA29785@smtp2.fdn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Computer Guru wrote: > > What does this tell me? Should I paste some of that into the file on my > laptop? I was replying to the "Re: 486 Thinkpad Screen Setting Problem Re: Vesa.com" thread but from a different machine. So the message wasn't there. It was in answer to: peter machule wrote: > I can't install the piece of crap since we enabled fat 32 on the > little TP 370 here. > A 370 is a 755C without the sound card. > -- Patrick West pgp 2.6.2 key fingerprint = 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E 41 From cph Wed Jun 28 01:38:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA21273 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:38:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15623; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:36:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15424; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15410; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy2.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:36:02 -0400 Received: from ann (th-en137-082.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.55.82]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id WAA11905; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:34:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert Nicholson" To: , Subject: RE: blocked mail Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 06:36:00 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39598AA2.D445E0BF@uswest.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: OK that should be taken care of now. Sorry about that. > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick West [mailto:patrickwest@uswest.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 6:18 AM > To: thinkpad > Subject: Re: blocked mail > > > Folks, > Is it just me or does anyone sending a message to the list > get one of these messages? > > Robert Nicholson wrote: > > > > In an effort to combat unsolicited email I've adopted a scheme > Omitted > > In this case you the originator of this message are not > currently approved. > Omitted > > -- > Patrick West pgp 2.6.2 key > fingerprint = 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E > 41 > From cph Wed Jun 28 01:48:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA21293 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:48:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16172; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:45:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16050; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16037; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.teleport.com (192.108.254.31 -> mail3.teleport.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:45:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 17712 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2000 05:42:55 -0000 Received: from i48-09-16.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO teleport.com) (216.26.4.16) by mail3.teleport.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 05:42:55 -0000 Message-ID: <395990F0.176D1FF0@teleport.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:45:20 -0700 From: Bryan Daum Reply-To: mail.teleport.com@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: 600e PII 366 report on dVD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Success! -the 600E 366 dvd works! This afternoon I finally tried a DVD movie in the new machine and it worked fine...well, kind of... I did have some trouble with the dvd player wanting to resize the screen to a smaller size while using the darn "letter box" style display. The sound was not loud enough...much lower volume than the normal even though the volume was all the way up. It was still loud enough for use but no where near like cd music volume. Note that we did the whole operation without reading any part of the directions as my pal just showed up with his dvd disk for a ten minute tryout so we used what he remembered from his I-1452 tp -and he had little experience himself. He noted that his dvd was a bit jerky sometimes but this one wasn't. End of report on to software installation and manual reading. Bryan From cph Wed Jun 28 03:53:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA21715 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:53:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21379; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:49:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21205; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-3.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21192; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-3.smartworld.net (216.70.64.34 -> mrs-3.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:49:50 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (1Cust48.tnt28.dfw5.da.uu.net [63.27.211.48]) by mrs-3.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA22786 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3959AE6A.DAB43217@mail.orion.org> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 02:51:06 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: Battery connector pinouts and signal info? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know the TP755CE and 760L battery connector pinouts and signal info? Thanks. Shawn From cph Wed Jun 28 05:30:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA21973 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 05:30:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29400; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 05:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 05:25:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29222; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 05:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29209; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 05:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (129.59.1.212 -> mailer2.mail.Vanderbilt.Edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 05:25:22 -0400 Received: from lruby ([202.77.120.72]) by mailer2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1/VU-3.0.2) with SMTP id EAA19375 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:25:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "Ruby Lestari" To: Subject: Is this the right time to get the new ThinkPad series..?? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:19:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Just curious, Is this about the right time to get the new ThinkPad A series..?? Thanks for the help. In Dharma, Ruby Lestari Department of Mechanical Engineering School of Engineering - Vanderbilt University --------------------------------------------- This message transmitted using 100% recycled electrons. From cph Wed Jun 28 09:07:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA22895 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:07:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08058; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:03:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07808; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07795; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:03:10 -0400 Received: from default - 63.27.183.47 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 06:02:48 -0700 Message-ID: <004a01bfe0ff$e82feb00$2fb71b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: Stuff I got. Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:53:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: The following is a lot of new in box, or new in opened box for Think pads. I paid $25.49 for the lot. Think I got a good deal? IBM service parts-all qty one 02K4389 - keyboard for Think pad 560; 74H0582 - Thinkpad 365X10.4" A TFT LCD cover kit; 10L0890 - Dc - DC Card f/ Thinkpad 770ED; 84G6495 - Keyboard assembly; 8286099 - SDLC COMM ADPT F/ Personal Computer; 05K4740 - FRU LCD Cover Kit; 1383463 - 4019 Logic Board; 12J6000 - Thinkpad 560 12.1 Plasma assembly; 25F8545 - 3278/78 Emulation Board f/3270 short card; 53F7748 - 16/4 tokenring/microchannel; 74F3464 - 3270 Emulation Card; 95F5740 - Numeric Keypad US/UK. Looks like my 560 is getting a new screen! Brad From cph Wed Jun 28 09:31:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA23069 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:31:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10492; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:29:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10326; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10312; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.22 -> hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:29:25 -0400 Received: from mugman (dialup-63.209.90.89.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [63.209.90.89]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA08470 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 06:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002901bfe105$19c06af0$595ad13f@mugman> From: "Sam" To: Subject: T20 or 600x Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 06:30:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Trying to decide between these two. It seems as though the general consensus is that the 600x is a better overall build quality. The 600x has a rubberized finish where the T20 does not. Also, the 600x purportedly has nicer keyboard "action". Can anyone verify these differences? Pros for the 600x: nicer keyboard rubbery finish proven track record Pros for the T20: 700mhz processor 14.1" display 8 MB video memory newer design better battery management Both machines would be equipped with the same amount of memory and hard drive. The 600x will have a 650mhz processor, 13.3" display and 4 MB of video memory. Due to corporate discounts, I can actually get the T20 for almost the same price as the 600x. So money isn't a factor here. The 600x would be purchased through one of the reputable online dealers (PCMall, Onvia etc..) The T20 would be purchased from IBM. So which would you get? This is my first laptop, so opinions and thoughts would be most helpful. Thanks, Sam From cph Wed Jun 28 10:19:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA23368 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:19:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14682; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:15:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14289; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14270; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.112 -> pilot012.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:15:52 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.26]) by pilot012.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA199012 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:15:50 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000628100728.022ee9e0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:15:56 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Is this the right time to get the new ThinkPad series..?? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Thats the classic question about computers, isn't it. The "A" series are pretty new, so their expense is likely the highest they will ever be, right now. Market forces and technology improvements are going to push the cost downwards, but at perhaps a slower rate than usual, since the A20 is just about the top-of-the-line unit you can get today. If you have the money and need a desktop-killer laptop, then it might make sense for you to get one now. If you can wait six months, I can pretty much guarantee that the prices will have fallen some, or that there will be faster units out, and maybe both. There is also the chance that problems will be found with these first A units and will be fixed in future releases, though I wouldn't let that possibility stop me from getting one. When helping people buy a computer, I always try to get them to figure out what it is they need, and how much they can reasonably spend. After that it becomes more clear where the price/need crossover is and what to do about it. You'll always pay a premium for a laptop, especially a ThinkPad, but there are lots of reasons why it makes sense to do so. Having seen an A series unit now, I can say it's a cool computer. --STeve Andre' At 04:19 AM 6/28/00 -0500, Ruby Lestari wrote: >Just curious, >Is this about the right time to get the new ThinkPad A series..?? >Thanks for the help. > >In Dharma, >Ruby Lestari >Department of Mechanical Engineering >School of Engineering - Vanderbilt University >--------------------------------------------- >This message transmitted using 100% recycled electrons. From cph Wed Jun 28 10:58:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA23656 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:58:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20157; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:56:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19818; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19803; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:56:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.67 -> imo-r13.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:56:31 -0400 Received: from Bmwm61@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id o.d9.61aa262 (7776) for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:56:17 EDT Subject: 730T Games To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 List-Unsubscribe: How can I configure my 730T to run games that require a color monitor? Some work without a problem, e.g. Chessmaster 4000, but others refuse to load and I don't know what the difference is. Jim (one more problem to solve) From cph Wed Jun 28 12:46:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA24444 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:46:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29535; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:42:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29178; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29164; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:42:54 -0400 Received: from c454306b (ppp01.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.79]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.9.3) with SMTP id e5SGgpl00426; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:42:51 -0700 Message-ID: <00b301bfe11f$d2fe9a40$e7860a40@c454306b> From: "peter machule" To: "Brad Burean" , "Think" References: <007901bfe0a4$732c3a80$18cb1b3f@default> Subject: Re: Keeping my 560 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:42:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: 98 is not quicker, in fact because of Active desktop it will be slower in your case. At 40MB you are over the hump for Browser and Win95 . So more memory will not make much diff. unless you have lots of pages open at the same time. Even then your resources will be more of a problem. More memory can NOT fix that. If your 560 is one of the ones without cache, then more memory will have a bigger effect. A good test is; how busy is you HD when you jump between open pages ? i.e. ALT TAB In fact with your modem, a P3-500 with 128MB will be almost the same. Sorry to all those who buy into Intel's BS about a P3 being required for the Internet experience . LOL It feeling slower is quite possible, and it's a real bitch to try and fix. A program here ...a program there and suddenly you have another 25 dlls competing . Do a CTRL ALT DEL and bring up the Task manager . how many of those programs running do you know ? ;-} How many resources do you have free after an hour of being on the Weeeeb? also power management is worth looking at ie CPU at half speed all the time. Double buffering enabled for the HD because Win95 got confussed once ;-] there are so many possibilities ......... Re Hard drive size Look into upgrading to Fat 32, you'll gain about a ~1/3 . Partition Magic makes it painless if you have Win95B The only other issue is how IBM did Hibernation on the 560's. any one know? Get another modem ! and an ISP that supports it ;-} MSN.....Ugh Do not get a WinModem ! good luck ..peter.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Burean To: Think Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 6:59 PM Subject: Keeping my 560 > Since a $125 deal for a Toshiba 3010ct fell thru, I've decided just to keep > my faithful 560 133/40/2.1/12.1tft computer for another year. Here are a > few questions. Would upgrading to 72 megs make a difference? I spend alot > of time on the net and on ebay selling my diecasts, and collectibles. I get > 40-50 emails per day. I would like to see a little more speed, it just > seems pokey lately. I'm running w95. I know I need a bigger HD, would > windows 98 be quicker? I have a 33.6 modem but here in Kansas your lucky to > get on at 28.8. > > I've had a couple 701c's. a 755, a toshiba 4850ct (built like a tank), but I > really like this 560. Any ideas? > > Brad > > > From cph Wed Jun 28 12:52:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA24489 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:52:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00520; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:49:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00313; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00295; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:49:10 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA01154; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:49:08 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA04947; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000628094302.015e75e8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:47:33 -0700 To: "Brad Burean" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Keeping my 560 In-Reply-To: <007901bfe0a4$732c3a80$18cb1b3f@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:59 PM 6/27/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Since a $125 deal for a Toshiba 3010ct fell thru, I've decided just to keep >my faithful 560 133/40/2.1/12.1tft computer for another year. Here are a >few questions. Would upgrading to 72 megs make a difference? From what? 32? I consider 64 MB to be the bare minimum--table stakes, if you will. Anything less under any flavor of Windows (well...not 3.x) and your machine is unnecessarily paging to the HD. Windows 98 code all by itself doesn't even fit in 32 MB of RAM. >I spend alot >of time on the net and on ebay selling my diecasts, and collectibles. I get >40-50 emails per day. I would like to see a little more speed, it just >seems pokey lately. I'm running w95. I know I need a bigger HD, would >windows 98 be quicker? I have a 33.6 modem but here in Kansas your lucky to >get on at 28.8. RAM may help, but I think you'll find that if you did a complete fresh install of Windows (95 or 98--and I don't think 98 is quicker, really), you'd find all sorts of things picking up. Over time, Win 9X just picks up all sorts of baggage--in the Win & System directories, in the Registry, etc. Its just a nightmare, and the only surefire way I am certain of for cleaning it up, is to set aside time every year or two to do a fresh install on the system and think long & hard about what software you really want to install afterward--because every package you put on there has the potential to bog Windows back down again. Truthfully, I'd seriously consider Win 2000 (but that assumes you throw RAM at it--on the order of 128 MB). I think its quicker, definitely more stable. But maybe not such a good idea for a somewhat older machine. From cph Wed Jun 28 13:13:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA24622 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:13:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03247; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:11:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03009; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02996; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:11:10 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA09661; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:11:09 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA14129; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000628100541.01791688@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:10:48 -0700 To: "Sam" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: T20 or 600x In-Reply-To: <002901bfe105$19c06af0$595ad13f@mugman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 06:30 AM 6/28/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Trying to decide between these two. It seems as though the general >consensus is that the 600x is a better overall build quality. Who said this? Not my opinion at all. > The 600x has >a rubberized finish where the T20 does not. ? I'm looking at both next to each other (granted, my 600 is the original, not a 600X, but I don't think there is any difference in the physicality between the two). > Also, the 600x purportedly has >nicer keyboard "action". Can anyone verify these differences? No agreement on that here. The two are slightly different, but both excellent--and the difference can be ascribed to the fact that my T20 is new, while the 600 is "broken in". >Pros for the 600x: >nicer keyboard >rubbery finish >proven track record IMO, only the "proven track record" is remotely applicable here. Furthermore, one should point out that as the heir-apparent to the 600, the T20 (and most of the better TP's) all share a similar history--the new ones largely inheriting their track record from the ones who went before. >Pros for the T20: >700mhz processor >14.1" display >8 MB video memory >newer design >better battery management Don't forget the little ThinkLight. ;-) >Both machines would be equipped with the same amount of memory and hard >drive. The 600x will have a 650mhz processor, 13.3" display and 4 MB of >video memory. > >Due to corporate discounts, I can actually get the T20 for almost the same >price as the 600x. So money isn't a factor here. The 600x would be >purchased through one of the reputable online dealers (PCMall, Onvia etc..) >The T20 would be purchased from IBM. > >So which would you get? This is my first laptop, so opinions and thoughts >would be most helpful. No question--particularly given the price difference is not a factor. Get a T20. In a nutshell, the "pros" you gave for the 600 are quite unfounded--I see no advantage for a 600 over a T20, except perhaps that its smaller screen makes for a slightly less wide computer (but the T20 is slightly lighter and slightly thinner). (Though the 600 is an excellent machine too.) From cph Wed Jun 28 13:27:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA24703 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:27:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04800; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:25:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04634; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04610; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.4 -> mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:25:23 -0400 Received: (qmail 14502 invoked by alias); 28 Jun 2000 17:25:15 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 14444 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jun 2000 17:25:14 -0000 Received: from dialupf230.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (207.225.146.230) by mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 17:25:14 -0000 Message-ID: <006301bfe125$f1061350$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "Sam" , References: <002901bfe105$19c06af0$595ad13f@mugman> Subject: Re: T20 or 600x Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:26:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Sam, I just bought a 600X (2645-5FU), but I chose that one because it was $900 less than the T20. If the price were the same, I think I would have jumped at the T20. Even though the rubbery feel of the 600X case is fantastic, the 14" display could be a bit nicer for you, the 8MB video memory will make a difference if you use dual displays, the video performance should be quite a bit faster, especially for 3D, the battery runs the machine for a longer period on each charge and the battery management should make the battery last through more charging cycles as well. It's true that the T20 doesn't have a track record, but IBM does, and they will honor their warranties. They have recalled adapters recently, they have replaced system boards for known problems and are just really good about customer satisfaction. Besides, with the 600's going away, options will be available for the T20 for a longer time... Ultraslimbay devices will disppear well before UltraBay 2000 devices. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 8:30 AM Subject: T20 or 600x > Trying to decide between these two. It seems as though the general > consensus is that the 600x is a better overall build quality. The 600x has > a rubberized finish where the T20 does not. Also, the 600x purportedly has > nicer keyboard "action". Can anyone verify these differences? > > Pros for the 600x: > nicer keyboard > rubbery finish > proven track record > > Pros for the T20: > 700mhz processor > 14.1" display > 8 MB video memory > newer design > better battery management > > Both machines would be equipped with the same amount of memory and hard > drive. The 600x will have a 650mhz processor, 13.3" display and 4 MB of > video memory. > > Due to corporate discounts, I can actually get the T20 for almost the same > price as the 600x. So money isn't a factor here. The 600x would be > purchased through one of the reputable online dealers (PCMall, Onvia etc..) > The T20 would be purchased from IBM. > > So which would you get? This is my first laptop, so opinions and thoughts > would be most helpful. > > Thanks, > Sam > > From cph Wed Jun 28 14:22:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA25194 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:21:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10262; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:19:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09996; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09983; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:19:10 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id NAA28404; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:19:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.185.103]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id NAA28395; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:19:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000628141729.011be1c0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:17:29 -0400 To: "Sam" , From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: T20 or 600x In-Reply-To: <002901bfe105$19c06af0$595ad13f@mugman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:30 AM 06/28/2000 -0700, Sam wrote: >Trying to decide between these two. It seems as though the general >consensus is that the 600x is a better overall build quality. The 600x has >a rubberized finish where the T20 does not. Also, the 600x purportedly has >nicer keyboard "action". Can anyone verify these differences? > The T20 has the rubberized finish (IBM calls it peach-feel finish) on the outside but not on the palm rest (which I complained about to them). Jane From cph Wed Jun 28 14:31:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA25293 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:31:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10968; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:28:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10809; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10794; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:28:00 -0400 Received: from default - 63.27.184.35 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:27:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01bfe12d$4197ab60$23b81b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: Kaboom! Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:18:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Jeez... Just when you think everything is going smoothly. AC adapter crapped out on me all at once, I guess that's the way they go. So... anybody got a ac adapter for a 560 for sale? Using my son's and he gonna be whining when he get's home. Brad aka Booger of Belise From cph Wed Jun 28 14:31:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA25297 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:31:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11339; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:29:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11016; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11003; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:29:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:29:36 -0400 Received: from default ([12.72.0.11]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000628182934.MHMK2120.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@default>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:29:34 +0000 Message-ID: <395A445D.7C13@att.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:30:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless CC: Sam , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 or 600x References: <3.0.1.32.20000628141729.011be1c0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jane Loyless wrote: > > At 06:30 AM 06/28/2000 -0700, Sam wrote: > > >Trying to decide between these two. It seems as though the general > >consensus is that the 600x is a better overall build quality. The 600x has > >a rubberized finish where the T20 does not. Also, the 600x purportedly has > >nicer keyboard "action". Can anyone verify these differences? > > > > The T20 has the rubberized finish (IBM calls it peach-feel finish) on the > outside but not on the palm rest (which I complained about to them). > > Jane The other thing to keep in mind is that the T and A series dont offer a zip drive option... not that I love zips, but I have to much data on them that I cancelled my order for an A20P and got a 600x and am quite happy... as far as the screen size difference, I cant imagine needing a larger screen than the 13.3 on the 600... on the other hand, I hate the placement of the speakers (although the first thing I do when I get a computer is figure out how to mute all sounds forever, because I hate computer sounds)... but the peach finish separates the 600x from other computers and gives it a very nice "thingness" aspect that I personally love and makes working on it a more tactile experience... If you are sensitive to touch issues and need zip capabilities, get the 600x... if not, get the T20 Andrew From cph Wed Jun 28 14:42:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA25373 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:42:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12295; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:39:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12088; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12073; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:39:48 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA15388; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:39:38 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002101bfe130$6c24e3e0$b562183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "peter machule" , "Think" References: <007901bfe0a4$732c3a80$18cb1b3f@default> <00b301bfe11f$d2fe9a40$e7860a40@c454306b> Subject: Re: Keeping my 560 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:41:03 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "At 40MB you are over the hump for Browser and Win95 . So more memory will not make much diff. unless you have lots of pages open at the same time." I disagree. The new generation browsers are all memory hogs, and even just a couple of instances will easily grab the 40 megs. I think he will see a big difference moving to 72 megs. "Even then your resources will be more of a problem." Agreed. The biggest design flaw in W95. "MSN.....Ugh " When ibm.net sold out to AT&T, I switched to MSN for my alternate ISP, and quite like it. However, they subcontract for local connection points, instead of using their own local dialups, so the service is better in some regions than others (as I learned recently while travelling around). - David R. From cph Wed Jun 28 15:06:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA25591 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:06:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14455; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:03:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14217; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14195; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:03:19 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA15455; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:03:13 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003b01bfe133$b7268580$b562183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Brad Burean" , "ThinkPad mailing list" References: <000b01bfe12d$4197ab60$23b81b3f@default> Subject: Re: Kaboom! Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:04:38 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "AC adapter crapped out on me all at once, I guess that's the way they go." Usual way they go is for the connection to break somewhere in the wire, typically at one of the strain relievers. WIth some major surgery I got my 560's brick working again a few weeks back. though it is a bit of a Frenkenstein's monster now (e.g. the brick<->computer cord now has its own pop-on/off connector at the brick end). I also bought a new one (the old one now lives at my office); cost around $70 delivered >from Onvia.com. This is genuine IBM, you can save $$ by buying non-IBM. (Or buying used, but then you don't know how much strain the wires in the strain-relief have already endured.) - David R. From cph Wed Jun 28 15:37:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA25785 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:37:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18881; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:34:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18497; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18471; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.119 -> pilot019.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:34:36 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.26]) by pilot019.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA151694 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:34:33 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000628153202.00e31af0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:34:37 -0400 To: "Think" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Keeping my 560 In-Reply-To: <002101bfe130$6c24e3e0$b562183f@math.hawaii.edu> References: <007901bfe0a4$732c3a80$18cb1b3f@default> <00b301bfe11f$d2fe9a40$e7860a40@c454306b> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I agree. Moving up another 32M is going to help out. I might also suggest moving to smaller applications, for example if the person uses OutLook, switch to Eudora; if they use Netscape or IE, take a look at Opera. That can help a huge amount. Other things will help, too, like making a static sized swap file (I'd use about 150M for 72M memory) and use the Norton "Speed Disk" program to put it at the start of the disk. --STeve Andre' At 08:41 AM 6/28/00 -1000, David Ross wrote: >"At 40MB you are over the hump for Browser and Win95 . >So more memory will not make much diff. unless you have lots of pages >open at the same time." > >I disagree. The new generation browsers are all memory hogs, and even >just a couple of instances will easily grab the 40 megs. I think he >will see a big difference moving to 72 megs. > >"Even then your resources will be more of a problem." > >Agreed. The biggest design flaw in W95. > >"MSN.....Ugh " > >When ibm.net sold out to AT&T, I switched to MSN for my alternate ISP, >and quite like it. >However, they subcontract for local connection points, instead of using >their own local dialups, >so the service is better in some regions than others (as I learned >recently while travelling around). > >- David R. From cph Wed Jun 28 16:22:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA26233 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:22:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23988; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:18:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23841; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23827; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:18:55 -0400 Received: from dsrv ([216.140.194.66]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA11506 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000628153415.0090ea40@pop.ziplink.net> X-Sender: drgrant@pop.ziplink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:34:15 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Capone Subject: Re: Keeping my 560 In-Reply-To: <002101bfe130$6c24e3e0$b562183f@math.hawaii.edu> References: <007901bfe0a4$732c3a80$18cb1b3f@default> <00b301bfe11f$d2fe9a40$e7860a40@c454306b> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Odd. I can have like 20 webpages open and only be consuming about 20 megs of ram, or less. Of course, depends on the content being viewed. My suggestion in terms of upgrades, is to just jam the unit full of memory while you can. The prices for older memory are only going to increase as the supply dwindles or fabs just simply stop making the stuff. And there is almost always a gain in speed when any 9X system is under 128M of ram, so going from to 64 or more on a 9X box is something that everyone should do, unless you only run one program at a time. This is my little chart for the M$ oses. What you can -get away- with. Win95 Casual use = 32M Win98/SE/ME Casual use = 64M Win9X Gamer = 128M WinNT Workstation casual = 64M Win2K casual = 128M Win2K Gamer = 256M (if you don't understand this then you've never played FS2000 on win2K with 128M of ram. :) ) All of the above is assuming an optimized system with active desktop disabled, and no desktop wallpaper loaded,(a large graphic, in its uncompressed state, can steal 8 megs of ram or more easy!) as well as VCACHE set to limit a max of 1/4 of mem consumption, and in Win98, everything turned off in MSconfig aside >from systray. With active craptop turned on you have increase the minimums presented above, by about 12 megs or more. With or without the extra ram, active craptop on any M$ box is an easy 10-15% speed hit. Actually, on 9X, especially 98, the optimization process is WAY more critical than having the extra chips installed. Even on my 288M TP770ED, optimizing my 98SE install gave me another 20% speed jump easily. Best performance settings- Win95 poweruser = 64M-128M+ (depending on the apps you use) Win98/SE/Me poweruser = 128M+ (ditto above) WinNT Workstation power = 128M+ (ditto above) Win2K power = 256M+ (dumb to run any less if you run big apps under Win2K.) -Mike At 08:41 AM 6/28/00 -1000, you wrote: >"At 40MB you are over the hump for Browser and Win95 . >So more memory will not make much diff. unless you have lots of pages >open at the same time." > >I disagree. The new generation browsers are all memory hogs, and even >just a couple of instances will easily grab the 40 megs. I think he >will see a big difference moving to 72 megs. > >"Even then your resources will be more of a problem." > >Agreed. The biggest design flaw in W95. > >"MSN.....Ugh " > >When ibm.net sold out to AT&T, I switched to MSN for my alternate ISP, >and quite like it. >However, they subcontract for local connection points, instead of using >their own local dialups, >so the service is better in some regions than others (as I learned >recently while travelling around). > >- David R. > > > > From cph Wed Jun 28 16:44:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA26367 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:44:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26386; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:42:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26102; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from connect.iconnect.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26089; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from connect.iconnect.net (207.112.164.1 -> connect.iconnect.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:42:13 -0400 Received: from mlw (ts6-10.iconnect.net [207.112.166.81]) by connect.iconnect.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA03812; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:42:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002d01bfe141$43f644c0$51a670cf@mlw> Reply-To: "Matt Winston" From: "Matt Winston" To: "Brad Burean" , "Think" References: <007901bfe0a4$732c3a80$18cb1b3f@default> Subject: Re: Keeping my 560 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:41:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01BFE117.5A5FFA00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BFE117.5A5FFA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keep that 560 and go for the ram upgrade. My 560 (72k)/133mhz runs = Windows 98 Second Edition perfectly. When you start with quality = hardware, you've got a keeper. Regards, Matt Winston ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brad Burean=20 To: Think=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 8:59 PM Subject: Keeping my 560 Since a $125 deal for a Toshiba 3010ct fell thru, I've decided just to = keep my faithful 560 133/40/2.1/12.1tft computer for another year. Here = are a few questions. Would upgrading to 72 megs make a difference? I spend = alot of time on the net and on ebay selling my diecasts, and collectibles. = I get 40-50 emails per day. I would like to see a little more speed, it = just seems pokey lately. I'm running w95. I know I need a bigger HD, = would windows 98 be quicker? I have a 33.6 modem but here in Kansas your = lucky to get on at 28.8. I've had a couple 701c's. a 755, a toshiba 4850ct (built like a tank), = but I really like this 560. Any ideas? Brad ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BFE117.5A5FFA00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Keep that 560 and go = for the ram=20 upgrade. My 560 (72k)/133mhz runs Windows 98 Second Edition perfectly. = When you=20 start with quality hardware, you've got a keeper.
Regards,
Matt = Winston
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brad=20 Burean
To: Think
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 = 8:59=20 PM
Subject: Keeping my 560

Since a $125 deal for a Toshiba 3010ct fell thru, I've = decided=20 just to keep
my faithful 560 133/40/2.1/12.1tft computer for = another=20 year.  Here are a
few questions.  Would upgrading to 72 = megs make=20 a difference?  I spend alot
of time on the net and on ebay = selling my=20 diecasts, and collectibles.  I get
40-50 emails per day.  = I would=20 like to see a little more speed, it just
seems pokey lately.  = I'm=20 running w95.  I know I need a bigger HD, would
windows 98 be=20 quicker?  I have a 33.6 modem but here in Kansas your lucky = to
get on=20 at 28.8.

I've had a couple 701c's. a 755, a toshiba 4850ct = (built like=20 a tank), but I
really like this 560.  Any=20 ideas?

Brad



------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BFE117.5A5FFA00-- From cph Wed Jun 28 17:10:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA26622 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:10:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28461; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:07:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28294; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28280; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.85 -> gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:07:13 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (pool0202.cvx32-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.157.202]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA24546; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006282107.OAA24546@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bmwm61@aol.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:07:41 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 730T Games List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:56:17 EDT, Bmwm61@aol.com wrote: >How can I configure my 730T to run games that require a color monitor? Some >work without a problem, e.g. Chessmaster 4000, but others refuse to load and >I don't know what the difference is. Jim - you need to set this in the BIOS. There is an option in Easy Setup to have it act as if it's using a color or mono monitor. To enter setup, upon powering up, touch the stylus on the suspend button, and keep the power button depressed until you see the IBM copyright notice. Paul From cph Wed Jun 28 18:49:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA27403 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:49:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05490; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:44:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04986; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3806.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04973; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3806.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.177 -> web3806.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:44:29 -0400 Message-ID: <20000628224424.12129.qmail@web3806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.15.109.121] by web3806.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:44:24 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:44:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Garrett Kaste Subject: 730T for Sale To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1189641421-962232264=:10656" List-Unsubscribe: --0-1189641421-962232264=:10656 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a very nice Thinkpad 730T laptop for sale if anyone out here is intersted. It has a lot more stuff then most others and is packed with upgrades that are rather expensive. 730T 486sl-33 24mb ram (most 730T are 8) 340mb hdd (most 730T are 105) 9.5" blacklit lcd screen with touch screen 2 pens and extra tips 4 batteries Soft carry case w/ handle and carry strap Hard samsonite case w/ docking station Kodac b/w printer with new cartridge and paper Battery for case(or case can run off a built in ac adaptor) AC adaptor Car adaptor Quick battery charger Windows 95 preinstalled w/pen tools(gives hand writing recognition[works better then palm pilot], and use pen as a mouse) origional boxes I have spent well over $250 on all this and have hardly used it becaue of acuiring a 760xd thinkpad. Everything has been tested and works great. Please send any resonable offer, and ask any questions you may have. Thank you Garrett Kaste. PS..I will not sell the hard drive seperate. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-1189641421-962232264=:10656 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I have a very nice Thinkpad 730T laptop for sale if anyone out here is intersted.  It has a lot more stuff then most others and is packed with upgrades that are rather expensive.

730T 486sl-33
24mb ram (most 730T are 8)
340mb hdd (most 730T are 105)
9.5" blacklit lcd screen with touch screen
2 pens and extra tips
4 batteries
Soft carry case w/ handle and carry strap
Hard samsonite case w/ docking station
Kodac b/w printer with new cartridge and paper
Battery for case(or case can run off a built in ac
adaptor)
AC adaptor
Car adaptor
Quick battery charger
Windows 95 preinstalled w/pen tools(gives hand writing
recognition[works better then palm pilot], and use pen
as a mouse)
origional boxes

I have spent well over $250 on all this and have
hardly used it becaue of acuiring a 760xd thinkpad.
Everything has been tested and works great.  Please
send any resonable offer, and ask any questions you
may have.

Thank you
Garrett Kaste.

PS..I will not sell the hard drive seperate.


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Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-1189641421-962232264=:10656-- From cph Wed Jun 28 19:04:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA27595 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:04:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06403; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:01:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06249; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mongkok.pacific.net.hk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06219; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mongkok.pacific.net.hk (202.14.67.46 -> mongkok.pacific.net.hk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:01:23 -0400 Received: from kwaifong.pacific.net.hk (kwaifong.pacific.net.hk [202.14.67.7]) by mongkok.pacific.net.hk with ESMTP id HAA24823 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:01:20 +0800 (HKT) Received: from dilbert (bbig031004.netvigator.com [203.198.110.4]) by kwaifong.pacific.net.hk with SMTP id HAA09639 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:01:20 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <009501bfe154$c226d310$d512f103@dilbert> From: "William Hay" To: Subject: How much does T20 weigh? Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:01:13 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: IBM says (on its ShopIBM page) that the 750 MHz T20s it just announced have a travel weight of 5.3 lbs. But the previous T20s are all listed on the same page as having a travel weight of only 4.6 lbs. Everything else (DVD, RAM) appears to be the same. Surely the 750 MHz processor cannot weigh 0.7 lbs? From cph Wed Jun 28 19:10:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA27637 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:10:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06805; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:07:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06660; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06647; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.101 -> pilot001.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:07:06 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.26]) by pilot001.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA161512 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:07:05 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000628190551.022ec160@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:07:05 -0400 To: thinkpad Mailing List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Keeping my 560 In-Reply-To: <200006282253.SAA28813@pike.sover.net> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000628153202.00e31af0@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Naw, install OpenBSD and see what a non-corpulant OS can do (it runs on hardware that Windows considers broken, speed-wise). (I'll shut up now, on this subject) --STeve Andre' At 06:53 PM 6/28/00 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >STeve Andre'" said: > > >I agree. Moving up another 32M is going to help out. > > >I might also suggest moving to smaller applications, for example if the > >person uses OutLook, switch to Eudora; if they use Netscape or IE, take a > >look at Opera. That can help a huge amount. > > >Other things will help, too, like making a static sized swap file (I'd use > >about 150M for 72M memory) and use the Norton "Speed Disk" program to put it > >at the start of the disk. > >Go all the way over the hump and just use OS2. Its runs just fine in my old >100 mhz 560 with 40mb. --Sorry, but I couldn't help it . > > > > >--STeve Andre' > > >At 08:41 AM 6/28/00 -1000, David Ross wrote: > >>"At 40MB you are over the hump for Browser and Win95 . > >>So more memory will not make much diff. unless you have lots of pages > >>open at the same time." > >> > >>I disagree. The new generation browsers are all memory hogs, and even > >>just a couple of instances will easily grab the 40 megs. I think he > >>will see a big difference moving to 72 megs. > >> > >>"Even then your resources will be more of a problem." > >> > >>Agreed. The biggest design flaw in W95. > >> > >>"MSN.....Ugh " > >> > >>When ibm.net sold out to AT&T, I switched to MSN for my alternate ISP, > >>and quite like it. > >>However, they subcontract for local connection points, instead of using > >>their own local dialups, > >>so the service is better in some regions than others (as I learned > >>recently while travelling around). > >> > >>- David R. > >-- >----------------------------------------------------------- >letoured@sover.net >----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Jun 28 19:30:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA27780 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:30:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07938; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:27:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07732; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07718; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:26:58 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id TAA21181; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:26:56 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id TAA14861; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000628162533.017c12e0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:26:35 -0700 To: "William Hay" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: How much does T20 weigh? In-Reply-To: <009501bfe154$c226d310$d512f103@dilbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 07:01 AM 6/29/2000 +0800, you wrote: >IBM says (on its ShopIBM page) that the 750 MHz T20s it just announced have >a travel weight of 5.3 lbs. But the previous T20s are all listed on the same >page as having a travel weight of only 4.6 lbs. Everything else (DVD, RAM) >appears to be the same. Surely the 750 MHz processor cannot weigh 0.7 lbs? "Travel weight" should include the A/C Adapter, among other minor things. I'd believe the 5.3 lbs. number. 4.6 is definitely when the machine has no drive in the Ultrabay, let alone any A/C adapter hanging around. From cph Wed Jun 28 22:39:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA28854 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:39:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17507; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:31:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17317; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17304; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243 -> maynard.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:31:18 -0400 Received: from tp1721 (user-33qt921.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.164.65]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01903; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002501bfe172$12bd9940$41a4aec7@tp1721> From: "Chuck S." To: "STeve Andre'" , References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000628100728.022ee9e0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Is this the right time to get the new ThinkPad series..?? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:31:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: IBM is offering IBM'ers and friends of IBM'ers the TP iSeries w/ a 12 GB drive, 500 MHz P-III and 14" screen for about $1,700 while they last. It's a great deal even if it doesn't have the panache of the new A & T models. | At 04:19 AM 6/28/00 -0500, Ruby Lestari wrote: | >Just curious, | >Is this about the right time to get the new ThinkPad A series..?? | >Thanks for the help. | > | >In Dharma, | >Ruby Lestari | >Department of Mechanical Engineering | >School of Engineering - Vanderbilt University | >--------------------------------------------- | >This message transmitted using 100% recycled electrons. | | From cph Wed Jun 28 22:55:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA28939 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:55:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18524; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:52:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18418; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18403; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:52:25 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jax10-254.leading.net [216.199.5.254]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA13362 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <395AE370.74C1@southeast.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:49:36 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Anyone With HPA or DSTN Screen? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Anyone else on this list use a Thinkpad with a DUAL SCAN, or HPA screen? If so, PLEASE email me, I have some questions about them, and what is normal. Thanks, Jim -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Wed Jun 28 23:51:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA29270 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:51:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21045; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:48:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20859; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20845; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy2.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:47:58 -0400 Received: from ann (th-en133-025.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.53.25]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id UAA04628 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:46:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert Nicholson" To: Subject: How do I remove myself? Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:48:38 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002501bfe172$12bd9940$41a4aec7@tp1721> List-Unsubscribe: How do I remove myself? Sorry I've lost the original instructions about removing myself to the list would some kind sole please send them. Cheers. From cph Thu Jun 29 00:42:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA29502 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:42:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23598; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:38:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23515; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23501; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (216.70.64.26 -> mrs-2-fix.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:38:35 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (1Cust12.tnt28.dfw5.da.uu.net [63.27.211.12]) by mrs-2.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA63899; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <395AD2C7.D6A2212B@mail.orion.org> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:38:31 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Burean CC: Think Subject: Re: Keeping my 560 References: <007901bfe0a4$732c3a80$18cb1b3f@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Brad Burean wrote: > > Since a $125 deal for a Toshiba 3010ct fell thru, I've decided just to keep > my faithful 560 133/40/2.1/12.1tft computer for another year. Here are a > few questions. Would upgrading to 72 megs make a difference? I spend alot > of time on the net and on ebay selling my diecasts, and collectibles. I get > 40-50 emails per day. I would like to see a little more speed, it just > seems pokey lately. I'm running w95. I know I need a bigger HD, would > windows 98 be quicker? I have a 33.6 modem but here in Kansas your lucky to > get on at 28.8. Which part of your internet experience is the most pokey? I used to have a 560 with an identical configuration to yours. I used Win98 on it, and honestly, I think it ran just fine. The web seems equally slow to me on ANY computer since the bottleneck is the modem. If you spend most of your time on the net, I don't really think memory is going to help. I picked up a 560X on Ebay for $450, and sold my 560 on Ebay for $420. The 560X only had 32MB, so I upgraded it to 64MB before I even got an OS on it. Although it is 100MHz faster and has 64MB instead of 40, I really can't tell any difference browsing the web. The whole reason for the upgrade though, was that Netscape Mail was REALLY pokey. I subscrabe to 6 mailing lists and my total inbox has about 3000+ messages. I sometimes delete tons of mail at a time. This was REALLY pokey on my 560. It's MUCH quicker on the 560X, but I think it has nothing to do at all with memory and more to do with processor speed. Deleting email on my Pentium II 450MHz desktop machine happens as quick as I can hit the DELETE key while on my 560X there is still a slight delay, and both machines have the same amount of RAM (64MB). > I've had a couple 701c's. a 755, a toshiba 4850ct (built like a tank), but I > really like this 560. Any ideas? I really liked my 560 too. Nice, small, light. That's why I bought a 560X. Same thing, but is 233MMX and has USB. When the 560Z (or any of the 600's) comes down to <$500 on Ebay, I'll probably buy one of those and sell my 560X to recover costs. The 560Z appears to use a socketed CPU, possibly Intel's mobile module. Perhaps that means it can possibly be upgraded to P-III someday? Hmmmm... -- Shawn Lin http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ From cph Thu Jun 29 00:46:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA29517 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:46:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24037; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:43:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23859; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23846; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:43:50 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA72661; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000628214410.04566870@houdini.dgoldman.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:44:46 -0700 To: "Robert Nicholson" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: How to unsubscribe from the Thinkpads mailing list (was Re: How do I remove myself?) In-Reply-To: References: <002501bfe172$12bd9940$41a4aec7@tp1721> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:48 PM 6/28/2000 , Robert Nicholson wrote: >How do I remove myself? > >Sorry I've lost the original instructions about removing myself to the list > >would some kind sole please send them. > >Cheers. > > To unsubscribe, you must not only send a message with the subject being 'unsubscribe' (without the quotes), but you must also send it to the proper address (which is DIFFERENT from the normal address used for messages. So, either send a message as follows: TO: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu SUBJECT: unsubscribe or click on the link below: List-Unsubscribe: ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:53:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24502; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:49:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24322; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web122.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24309; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web122.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.57 -> web122.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:49:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 11185 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jun 2000 04:49:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000629044955.11184.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web122.yahoomail.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:49:55 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:49:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Keeping my 560 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I would upgrade the modem to 56K. You can generally connect at a minimum of 34-36K when a 33.6 modem will only connect at 28.8 and that makes a big difference. I'm in the Phoenix area and even with USWorst's lousey phone lines I can generally get 36.4K. --- "Shawn R. Lin" wrote: > Brad Burean wrote: > > > > Since a $125 deal for a Toshiba 3010ct fell thru, > I've decided just to keep > > my faithful 560 133/40/2.1/12.1tft computer for > another year. Here are a > > few questions. Would upgrading to 72 megs make a > difference? I spend alot > > of time on the net and on ebay selling my > diecasts, and collectibles. I get > > 40-50 emails per day. I would like to see a > little more speed, it just > > seems pokey lately. I'm running w95. I know I > need a bigger HD, would > > windows 98 be quicker? I have a 33.6 modem but > here in Kansas your lucky to > > get on at 28.8. > > Which part of your internet experience is the most > pokey? > I used to have a 560 with an identical configuration > to yours. I used > Win98 on it, and honestly, I think it ran just fine. > The web seems > equally slow to me on ANY computer since the > bottleneck is the modem. > If you spend most of your time on the net, I don't > really think memory > is going to help. I picked up a 560X on Ebay for > $450, and sold my 560 > on Ebay for $420. The 560X only had 32MB, so I > upgraded it to 64MB > before I even got an OS on it. Although it is > 100MHz faster and has > 64MB instead of 40, I really can't tell any > difference browsing the > web. The whole reason for the upgrade though, was > that Netscape Mail > was REALLY pokey. I subscrabe to 6 mailing lists > and my total inbox has > about 3000+ messages. I sometimes delete tons of > mail at a time. This > was REALLY pokey on my 560. It's MUCH quicker on > the 560X, but I think > it has nothing to do at all with memory and more to > do with processor > speed. Deleting email on my Pentium II 450MHz > desktop machine happens > as quick as I can hit the DELETE key while on my > 560X there is still a > slight delay, and both machines have the same amount > of RAM (64MB). > > > I've had a couple 701c's. a 755, a toshiba 4850ct > (built like a tank), but I > > really like this 560. Any ideas? > > I really liked my 560 too. Nice, small, light. > That's why I bought a > 560X. Same thing, but is 233MMX and has USB. When > the 560Z (or any of > the 600's) comes down to <$500 on Ebay, I'll > probably buy one of those > and sell my 560X to recover costs. The 560Z appears > to use a socketed > CPU, possibly Intel's mobile module. Perhaps that > means it can possibly > be upgraded to P-III someday? Hmmmm... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Jun 29 01:18:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA29631 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:18:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25965; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:15:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25869; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.isoc.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25856; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.isoc.net (216.2.112.10 -> isoc.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:15:41 -0400 Received: from [216.5.125.20] by mail.isoc.net (NTMail 4.30.0013/LC0211.00.131c98b3) with ESMTP id uigsmaaa for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:13:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:17:32 -0400 From: Derek Cedillo X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.42c) Educational Reply-To: Derek Cedillo Organization: The Cedillo Family X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1902148905.20000629011732@isoc.net> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [730T] PCMCIA initialization questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Script: \\filterscript.mml List-Unsubscribe: Hello THINKPAD list, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong...but I have the following issue: I just bought a 730T on Ebay with a wiped clean HD. The machine will boot to a prompt with the HD installed, but there is nothing on it. In comes the Spyrus PCMCIA external SCSI PCMCIA reader that passes through my scanner and is properly terminated. Windows 98 picks up the reader as a removable drive, immediately, doesn't even ask me about it (I thought that was odd). But when I use my computer or explore to try and access the HD, everything freezes up. If I cut power to the PC Card reader, and hit CTRL-ALT-DEL I can close "My computer" and gain control back...but that's it. Is there a step I'm missing? I've followed the directions on http://www.basterfield.com/tp730/ Is there something special about the 730T initialization that is causing my PCMCIA reader to be buggy? Or could it just be my PCMCIA reader is hosed for some reason? Thanks! Derek (Please remove the NOSPAM in the email to reply) Best regards, Derek -- mailto:cid@isoc.net From cph Thu Jun 29 10:47:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA31822 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:47:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27644; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:43:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27216; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27203; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (199.224.64.56 -> lima.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:43:52 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp96.epix.net [199.224.125.96]) by lima.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000052301/PL) with SMTP id e5TEho117570 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006291443.e5TEho117570@lima.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:41:56 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <002501bfe172$12bd9940$41a4aec7@tp1721> Subject: Re: Is this the right time to get the new ThinkPad series..?? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zf/19zf List-Unsubscribe: In <002501bfe172$12bd9940$41a4aec7@tp1721>, on 06/28/00 at 09:31 PM, "Chuck S." typed: >IBM is offering IBM'ers and friends of IBM'ers the TP iSeries w/ a 12 GB >drive, 500 MHz P-III and 14" screen for about $1,700 while they last. >It's a great deal even if it doesn't have the panache of the new A & T >models. Well, an A20M (262831U) with a celeron, 64 meg/12 gig and a largish (13.3?) screen 1024*768 is $1869 for employees or stockholders. Since this includes retirees, I'm strongly tempted. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- All computers wait at the same speed. From cph Thu Jun 29 17:06:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA02446 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:06:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16127; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:59:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15351; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15337; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:59:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11591 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:59:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:59:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [T20-Win98SE] Spin down HD? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Might there be a way to spin down the hard drive on demand? Currently I set the time out to the shortest possible and then wait. I want this to increase battery life and reduce noise. Thanks! -Mitch --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Thu Jun 29 17:06:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA02450 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:06:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16119; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:58:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15257; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15233; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:58:03 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JR6IWQYOI88WVZBH@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:01:03 CST Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:01:03 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Unknown Mystery To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: yesterday i got my 64 meg kingston memory for my TP Installed it to the second memory slot and the mysteriously the computer only sees the memory as 32 meg. Even when i unplugged the other 64 meg memory from slot 1, somehow the cmputer can only read the memory as 32 meg instead of 64. Finally after getting frustrated and about to call kingston customer support, i switched the 2 memory card around. slot 1: 64 meg kingston slot 2: 64 meg IBM OEM WORKS LIKE A CHARM. guess its one of those unexplained phonomena in life. From cph Thu Jun 29 17:17:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA02535 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:17:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17082; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:15:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16912; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16898; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:15:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:15:29 -0400 Received: from default ([12.72.1.38]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000629211527.EVVR3646.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@default> for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:15:27 +0000 Message-ID: <395BBCB6.1F4@att.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:16:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Smart Media adapter for TP? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone have any recommendations for PCMCIA Smart Media card readers for a 600x? I have an 8MB camera card that I would rather throw right into the computer rather than vai parallel cables from the camera From cph Thu Jun 29 22:33:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA04262 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:33:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02962; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:29:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02765; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02747; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:29:34 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jax6-055.leading.net [216.199.5.55]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16116 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <395C2F90.2583@southeast.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:26:40 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Trackpoint Caps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi All, Who was it on this list that sells the little Eraser Trackpoint Caps?? I would like to get some, but have lost that message. Thanks, Jim -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Fri Jun 30 00:22:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA04708 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:22:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08564; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:18:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08339; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08326; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:18:17 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA76890; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000629211633.04430800@houdini.dgoldman.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:19:15 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Trackpoint Caps In-Reply-To: <395C2F90.2583@southeast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:26 PM 6/29/2000 , Computer-Guru wrote: >Hi All, > > Who was it on this list that sells the little Eraser Trackpoint Caps?? >I would like to get some, but have lost that message. The post that I saved (from Randal Whittle) was: >To: "Jeffrey Baker" , TP List Subject: Re: Another question about trackpoint caps >At 08:16 AM 03/29/2000 -0500, you wrote: >There have been many messages about availability of trackpoint caps, but >unfortunately I haven't saved them. Now I want to buy some. I'm mostly >interested in the cat's tongue red, but also am curious about the eraser >type - any opinions? Mostly, though, I'm seeking information on >availability at a good price. Many thanks - Jeff plumbush2@mediaone.net >Thanks to another list member (name escapes me) I got hooked into this guy >and bought a load of caps from him (hopefully I'll never have to buy caps >again--at least for about 5 years). >Below is what he had to say--you can contact him at mshvartsman@socal.rr.com. >(Obviously, the best bang-for-buck is either the smooth rubber ones or if you >prefer Cat's Tongue--I sure do--then just get Black ones and forego all the cutesy colors.) >---------------------------- >I am glad to accommodate you. $1.50 is actually the price I charge repeat >customers since I don't have to pay eBay fees. Caps come in different >colors and, believe it or not, have different cost. The reason I mention it >is that I am selling black caps for $0.75 and green caps for $1.25. Red, >Blue, Raspberry, and Purple caps are $1.50. Jim B. purchased purple caps of >which I sold out. I also don't have blue caps in stock at the moment. The >rest I have. See attached photo. All of the above caps are "Cat's Tongue." >I also sell red and black smooth-top caps for $0.35. These are the old >style caps with a smooth rubber surface (picture attached). >Regardless of the quantity, shipping and handling is $0.75 >---------------------------- -- David Goldman From cph Fri Jun 30 04:16:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA05412 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:16:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19511; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:14:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19329; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19301; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:14:01 -0400 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13744; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:13:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from harstonmail.generics.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10429; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:13:58 +0100 (BST) Received: by HARSTONMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:13:57 +0100 Message-ID: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D2943A09E@HARSTONMAIL> From: "Quantrill, Adam" To: "'ajwells@att.net'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Smart Media adapter for TP? Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:13:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I think they are all much of a muchness - although you might want to check that they support 16MB and above as I think the standard changed. I got a generic one in Singapore a couple of years ago and they were hard to find and expensive then (about 60 bucks). I think the prices have come down significantly in the past 6 months or so. I use mine in a 755C and 755CX. The thinkpad will take about 5 seconds to copy 8MB via the adapter, so it's well worth having. - Adam -----Original Message----- From: ajwells@att.net [mailto:ajwells@att.net] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 10:17 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Smart Media adapter for TP? Anyone have any recommendations for PCMCIA Smart Media card readers for a 600x? I have an 8MB camera card that I would rather throw right into the computer rather than vai parallel cables from the camera From cph Fri Jun 30 07:29:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA06087 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:29:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29512; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:27:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29372; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freenet.freenet.nireland.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29359; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freenet.freenet.nireland.com (194.46.8.30 -> freenet.nireland.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:27:47 -0400 Received: from fn6019 ([194.46.2.170]) by freenet.freenet.nireland.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 9-31337L) with SMTP id AAB274 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:27:45 +0100 Message-ID: <001101bfe286$76b60a80$aa022ec2@fn6019> From: c.tunnah@nireland.com (Colin Tunnah) To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?For_Sale:_TP365XD_=A3350?= Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:24:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id HAA29512 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id HAA06088 For sale: Thinkpad 365XD Intel P120, 1 GIG HDD, 40MB RAM 10.4 inch TFT screen, CD ROM, ext Floppy drive MS W95 (release 2) and Office 97 pre-loaded. with original packing and all manuals No marks or scratches on screen. Purchased new from Commonside Computers, UK May 99 £350 plus carriage. Please email me if interested. From cph Fri Jun 30 11:50:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA07619 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:50:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18420; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:44:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17767; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17754; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:44:56 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25969 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <395CC077.C869199A@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:44:55 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-pre9.1.smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: XFree86 on T20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone have it working? If so, which version of XFree86 (3.3.6?) and what do I need in my XF86Config file. Thanks. --Lee Hetherington From cph Fri Jun 30 11:50:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA07628 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:50:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18424; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:46:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17995; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17976; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (24.2.8.66 -> ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:46:08 -0400 Received: from cx792194b ([24.1.143.198]) by mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <20000630154606.ZESE20009.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@cx792194b> for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:46:06 -0700 Message-ID: <005801bfe2aa$6b318b70$c68f0118@msnv1.occa.home.com> From: "Joe Strauss" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: TP770 - TV display Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:46:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I've written about this before, but I am not getting anywhere. I have a TP770 running Win98. I am trying to get the video out to TV working. I have the "DVD and enhanced video adapter" installed. I have downloaded all the latest drivers. I have all the hardware hooked up (video out cable, s-video cable to TV). I follow the instuctions in the manual to set it up, but nothing comes on the TV. Should I be able to see anything that's on the LCD on the TV, or just whats playing on the DVD (running SoftDVD)? Does anyone have the same set up as me and has this working? I also have a swapable hard disk with Win NT4.0 workstation. Will I have more luck trying it with that system? What would I need to run it on NT? Please help! Thanks. From cph Fri Jun 30 12:43:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA08005 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:43:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23998; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:40:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23749; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23735; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:40:37 -0400 Received: from default - 63.27.203.78 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:40:13 -0700 Message-ID: <007101bfe2b0$8df30a20$ccca1b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: The talley is in. Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:30:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Well on my question of upgrading the RAM on my 560 to 72 megs from 40 seems just about even for and against it doing any good. Guess I'll give it a try. Can't hurt! Will help the sale too when I do get around to eBaying it. Thanks Brad From cph Fri Jun 30 13:07:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08179 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:07:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26525; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:03:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25976; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25962; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:03:45 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26831 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <395CD2ED.7AA9CCF1@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:03:41 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-pre9.1.smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: XFree86 on T20 References: <395CC077.C869199A@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The X server on www.s3p.co.uk (based on XFree86 3.3.6) seems to work, except when exiting X or switching virtual terminals you are left with an unreadable console. --Lee Hetherington From cph Fri Jun 30 15:35:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA09467 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:35:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12647; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:31:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11999; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11935; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:31:30 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28878 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <395CF590.B74B12C@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:31:28 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-pre9.1.smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: XFree86 on T20 References: <395CC077.C869199A@sls.lcs.mit.edu> <395CD2ED.7AA9CCF1@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I appologize for replying to my own posting yet again, but for some reason the aforementioned X server is working great now. Perhaps I had put the hardware in some strange state with some failed attempts. So, I'm quite happy that I have Linux running quite well on my new T20. That includes the built-in 10/100 ethernet and X. I haven't tackled sound yet, but this is somewhat less important to me in Linux. I'll have more to say later about the T20 (2647-84U) vs. my previous 600 (2645-45U). --Lee Hetherington From cph Fri Jun 30 16:57:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA10248 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:57:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22999; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:52:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22483; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22452; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.4 -> mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:52:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 20032 invoked by alias); 30 Jun 2000 20:52:21 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 20005 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jun 2000 20:52:20 -0000 Received: from dialupf230.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (207.225.146.230) by mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 2000 20:52:20 -0000 Message-ID: <001e01bfe2d5$34b1c440$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "Mitchell Leben" , References: Subject: Re: [T20-Win98SE] Spin down HD? Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:53:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Assuming you want to keep the screen on (if not, press Fn-F3)... I'm pretty sure that's the only way to do it right now. If you're a glutton for punishment, you could replace the power-saving software with something you write, and then you have to make sure there's a command to power down the drive (and I suspect there is). Keep in mind that spinning up a drive takes a large jolt of energy, so there is some amount of time where you actually use less energy to keep the drive spinning than stopping it and starting again. That amount of time could be one minute or more, but one would have to measure it to be sure. > Might there be a way to spin down the hard drive on demand? Currently I > set the time out to the shortest possible and then wait. I want this to > increase battery life and reduce noise. From cph Fri Jun 30 20:59:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA11672 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:59:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07703; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:54:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07476; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from urban.iinet.net.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07433; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from urban.iinet.net.au (203.59.24.231 -> urban.iinet.net.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:53:42 -0400 Received: from snapper3 (reggae-16-157.nv.iinet.net.au [203.59.76.157]) by urban.iinet.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA14967 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 08:53:33 +0800 From: "Will Lau" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Ghosting twin HDD on 600x Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 08:54:17 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <395CC077.C869199A@sls.lcs.mit.edu> List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I just bought Ghost2000, thinking it was WIN2000 compatible (it said DOS/95/98/2000 on the site). Having never used this app before I was disappointed to find it's a DOS app and I need to boot to DOS to mirror my Hard Drive to my backup SlimBay drive. I run Win2000 exclusively, on a single NTFS partition. Is there anyway I can mirror my drives? I dont have enough bays to boot from floppy. I don't take my external FDD with me - just the slimbay cartridge and the bay already has the backup HDD in it. Actually I tried to boot from DOS and it said I was missing the NTLoader! -Will