From cph Fri Oct 1 00:49:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA18015 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:49:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17622; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:48:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17517; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17504; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (207.121.52.5 -> innernet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:47:56 -0400 Received: from CEL400 [205.130.18.187] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id ABEB154F0126; Fri, 01 Oct 1999 00:43:23 -0400 Message-ID: <01e801bf0bc8$84369e80$bb1282cd@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: , References: <018301bf0bb0$e1064f60$bb1282cd@TECHGAP.NET> <37F3355B.1198@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <019c01bf0bbe$9a0e8d80$bb1282cd@TECHGAP.NET> <37F43391.FFEAFDA2@icanect.net> Subject: Re: An end to all the 760 maddness! Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:50:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > Jamie.. > FWIW, i have a 760ED-u9A that has run win95B happily.. > recently updated it to win98 and same thing.. runs fine.. You guys are really out to make a lier out of me, aren't you? :-) Hehehe. Well I'm glad to know that it does work so that when I have time to reinstall I can toss Win95B on it. I honestly think my OSR2.5 has to do with it. OSR2.5, aka Win95C, was a pre-release for BETA testers and may not have been fully functional in some aspects. Dunno, Win95a works for me now. Thanks for everyone's input! -Jamie From cph Fri Oct 1 01:04:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA18097 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:04:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18745; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:03:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18618; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18605; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:03:33 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-106.gate.net [199.227.20.169]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA119130; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:52:44 -0400 Message-ID: <37F440A4.3BC4ACDB@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 01:03:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Benstock CC: thinkpad list Subject: Re: 2nd time same problem no help last time...this is a cut and paste of comp.sys.laptops post References: <00fe01bf0bc4$873ed240$7cbe1cd0@buffnet.buffnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: you're obviously having a conflict with something.. most likely your browser or whatever you are using at the lockup moment.. on occasion, during a d/l, some strange character will sneak through and cause all sorts of problems.. try reloading the OS or apps.. also, test your memory.. the reset button is in a small hole under the on/off switch.. Richard Benstock wrote: > djr7978@my-deja.com wrote : > > It is a nice laptop, but every once in a while it > >locks > >> up. Ususally when I am doing a network and/or modem related task such > >a > >> file download etc. When it locks up the entire laptop is frozen and > >> even CNTL-ALT-DEL does nothing. I have to hit the reset switch and > >then > >> wait for scandisk to tell me I lost a file or two. I wonder if it has > >a > >> loose wire > >> > >> Is anyone else having this problem? > > My TP600 locks up to the point where I have to unplug everything and TAKE > OUT THE BATTERY in order to turn the damn thing off. It happens when I am > netting and I usually have a video conferencing program open so I wonder if > it is some combination of the mwave modem and streaming video. Anyone know > for real? > > Btw where is the "reset switch"? If you mean the on-off switch on the left > side (on my machine) even THAT does absolutely nothing as does ctrl-alt-del > NOTHING unless i physically remove all power from the laptop. THEN i can > boot up again and get scandisk. > > Any ideas on this one, mavens? > > Rick > ICQ 3371317 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Fri Oct 1 01:05:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA18101 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:05:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12654; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:37:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12414; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12370; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.innernet.net (207.121.52.5 -> innernet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:37:35 -0400 Received: from CEL400 [205.130.18.187] by mail.innernet.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AB49201700D4; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:32:25 -0400 Message-ID: <019c01bf0bbe$9a0e8d80$bb1282cd@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: Cc: References: <018301bf0bb0$e1064f60$bb1282cd@TECHGAP.NET> <37F3355B.1198@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: An end to all the 760 maddness! Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:39:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > That's just the silly party line. I have two of them running Win95 B > just perfectly! I offer you only my experiances. My note to you would be 'good for you', but I had no such luck with Win95B. I have OSR2.5, which I believe is Win95C, so maybe that has something to do with it. Thanks. -Jamie > Slip wrote: > > > > Hey there, > > After some quality phone time with IBM regarding my PCMCIA > > drivers, I began to notice that a *lot* of things weren't working > > right. PCMCIA, video, modem, sound(locked up apps), and the list goes > > on. Well it seems that the 760ED doesn't not agree with Win95OSR2.5. I > > formatted, reinstalled Win95A, and things have worked right out of the > > installation. Of course I had to install drivers, but everything works > > now. Just wanted to appologise to the list for jumping to conclusions > > about this laptop! > > > > -Jamie > From cph Fri Oct 1 01:05:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA18104 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:05:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11850; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:30:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11740; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sherman.ncag.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11677; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sherman.ncag.edu (208.198.8.5 -> sherman.ncag.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:30:26 -0400 Received: from ehh [208.198.8.41] by sherman.ncag.edu (SMTPD32-5.04) id AB77C770116; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:33:11 PDT From: "Waldemar Kowalski" To: , Subject: RE: New TP600 Setup Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:29:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <000601bf05d9$69af4700$7700a8c0@hades.Olympus> List-Unsubscribe: Mark - went through the same hassle. IBM sets this up as a FAT16 2gig + the rest in a FAT32 extended partition. You need Partition Magic 4 to convert to FAT32 and then resize. Earlier versions couldn't see more than 8 gigs - very frustrating. One warning: the IBM disk restoration CD won't restore to FAT32... The video out is only on the units presold with DVD. Don't know if the "guts" are in there but unterminated in a connector. My previous TP600 had the same cover. That's why I ordered my latest machine with DVD, even though I already had a DVD drive. The video out is composite, and works decently. I suspect, though, that an SVideo dongle is possible - only one pin is used for the composite, and the connecter/jack has three signal pins + ground (haven't checked for signal yet). We've just equipped our students (I'm a cio at a college in the Seattle area - keeps me in cool toys...) with the 2626-BOUs (390E) - they have a built-in SVideo jack, and use the same decoder chip as the 600E, so I'm sure SVideo is in there somewhere... waldemar kowalski cio, northwest college From cph Fri Oct 1 01:05:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA18107 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:05:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16690; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:31:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16556; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16494; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (150.203.2.15 -> leonard.anu.edu.au) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:30:47 -0400 Received: (from e720084@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06891; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:30:28 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:30:27 +1000 (EST) To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DVD and region code insanity = Hollywood's $$$ In-Reply-To: <37F41E82.7F94B39@netzero.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > If book publishers would have divided the world in regions and > would have required that we use special glasses to read only the > books printed for one specific region, they would have been > called unethical (or worse). > actually, book publishers *have* divided the world up into regions. american publishers have north and south america; british publishers have britain, australia and other english speaking countries. this allows them to reduce competition, charge higher prices in different markets, and make more money. thus, for example, if an australian bookstore tried to import the latest nyt bestseller into aus the u.s. publisher would not fill the order. this has loosened up a bit in recent years, but not much. presumably, that is why hollywood, sony, and the rest wanted DVD region coding...to make more money. of course, the fact that the world has become more global, that someone using a thinkpad might wish to put a U.S. DVD in their machine when in the U.S., a French DVD when in France, an Australian when down under, etc. doesn't really fit with profit maximization aims. the best solution is simply not to buy a DVD player or DVD disks unless or until a scheme more in keeping with modern global society is developed. ... and is guaranteed not to change to unbreakable region encrypting when everyone has left CDs for DVDs. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From cph Fri Oct 1 01:05:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA18110 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:05:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15938; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:22:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15776; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15759; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (205.246.19.13 -> buffnet4.buffnet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:22:05 -0400 Received: from mail1.buffnet.net (mail1.buffnet.net [205.246.19.62]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA00948 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:21:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rick@buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet (afppp16.buffnet.net [208.28.190.124]) by mail1.buffnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA27255 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:21:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rick@buffnet.net) Message-ID: <00fe01bf0bc4$873ed240$7cbe1cd0@buffnet.buffnet.net> From: "Richard Benstock" To: "thinkpad list" Subject: 2nd time same problem no help last time...this is a cut and paste of comp.sys.laptops post Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:22:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: djr7978@my-deja.com wrote : > It is a nice laptop, but every once in a while it >locks >> up. Ususally when I am doing a network and/or modem related task such >a >> file download etc. When it locks up the entire laptop is frozen and >> even CNTL-ALT-DEL does nothing. I have to hit the reset switch and >then >> wait for scandisk to tell me I lost a file or two. I wonder if it has >a >> loose wire >> >> Is anyone else having this problem? My TP600 locks up to the point where I have to unplug everything and TAKE OUT THE BATTERY in order to turn the damn thing off. It happens when I am netting and I usually have a video conferencing program open so I wonder if it is some combination of the mwave modem and streaming video. Anyone know for real? Btw where is the "reset switch"? If you mean the on-off switch on the left side (on my machine) even THAT does absolutely nothing as does ctrl-alt-del NOTHING unless i physically remove all power from the laptop. THEN i can boot up again and get scandisk. Any ideas on this one, mavens? Rick ICQ 3371317 From cph Fri Oct 1 01:05:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA18113 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:05:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14970; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:07:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14819; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14806; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:07:52 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-106.gate.net [199.227.20.169]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA25272; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:56:57 -0400 Message-ID: <37F43391.FFEAFDA2@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 00:07:45 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slip CC: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: An end to all the 760 maddness! References: <018301bf0bb0$e1064f60$bb1282cd@TECHGAP.NET> <37F3355B.1198@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <019c01bf0bbe$9a0e8d80$bb1282cd@TECHGAP.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jamie.. FWIW, i have a 760ED-u9A that has run win95B happily.. recently updated it to win98 and same thing.. runs fine.. Slip wrote: > > That's just the silly party line. I have two of them running Win95 B > > just perfectly! > > I offer you only my experiances. My note to you would be 'good for you', but > I had no such luck with Win95B. I have OSR2.5, which I believe is Win95C, so > maybe that has something to do with it. > > Thanks. > -Jamie > > > Slip wrote: > > > > > > Hey there, > > > After some quality phone time with IBM regarding my PCMCIA > > > drivers, I began to notice that a *lot* of things weren't working > > > right. PCMCIA, video, modem, sound(locked up apps), and the list goes > > > on. Well it seems that the 760ED doesn't not agree with Win95OSR2.5. I > > > formatted, reinstalled Win95A, and things have worked right out of the > > > installation. Of course I had to install drivers, but everything works > > > now. Just wanted to appologise to the list for jumping to conclusions > > > about this laptop! > > > > > > -Jamie > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Fri Oct 1 01:28:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA18242 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:28:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20283; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:27:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20083; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20066; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.144 -> mail4.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:26:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 4601 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 1999 05:26:48 -0000 Received: from pppa48-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.90.107) by mail4.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 1 Oct 1999 05:26:48 -0000 Message-ID: <37F44648.F10233D@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:27:36 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alden S Klovdahl , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DVD and region code insanity = Hollywood's $$$ References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Alden S Klovdahl wrote: > > > If book publishers would have divided the world in regions and > > would have required that we use special glasses to read only the > > books printed for one specific region, they would have been > > called unethical (or worse). > > actually, book publishers *have* divided the world up into regions. > american publishers have north and south america; british publishers > have britain, australia and other english speaking countries. this > allows them to reduce competition, charge higher prices in different > markets, and make more money. thus, for example, if an australian > bookstore tried to import the latest nyt bestseller into aus the u.s. > publisher would not fill the order. this has loosened up a bit in > recent years, but not much. True. I just remembered that some books I bought in South America and in Europe had a Warning! no to be sold ...etc... but I wasn't required to wear special spectacles for books printed/sold/stolen >from other continents. Somehow I always found "out of area" books in some bookstores and of course in used-bookstores. More annoying is that the same book is sometimes printed in Canada and in USA by different publishers, with different titles and with the same contents. There mu$t be a rea$on. Let's hope the publishers don't get the idea from the DVDs. Imagine travelling across regions and having to go buy "region glasses"... > presumably, that is why hollywood, sony, and the rest wanted DVD region > coding...to make more money. > > of course, the fact that the world has become more global, that someone > using a thinkpad might wish to put a U.S. DVD in their machine when in > the U.S., a French DVD when in France, an Australian when down under, etc. > doesn't really fit with profit maximization aims. That's the argument some people gave when complaining to the IBM forum. > the best solution is simply not to buy a DVD player or DVD disks unless or > until a scheme more in keeping with modern global society is developed. ... > and is guaranteed not to change to unbreakable region encrypting when > everyone has left CDs for DVDs. The DVD encryption to make copying impossible is contrary to the spirit, and perhaps the letter (I'm not a lawyer) of the USA copyright law "provisions for fair use" which allow quoting and photocopying parts of copyrighted work (text, images, sound, etc) for non-profit scholarly, scientific, review, criticism, teaching, etc purposes. I'm glad the New York Museum of Modern Art has very explicitily posted the right we all have to download its images if for "fair use". It's also legal (I believe) to photocopy a whole book and a whole program as "working copy" only once and for oneself. DVD encryption doesn't allow any of the "fair uses". Now the legal problem is: The publishers of copyrighted material can't complain about non-fair copying unless they can show that there was a $$$ gain by the person copying and there was a $$$ loss for the publisher (again, I'm not a lawyer but this is what I understood >from some reading I did). When the law(s) was(were) written, there were no methods to limit the access to the material (like the hypothetical region spectacles). My guess is that those who wrote the statutes didn't have in mind that there would be materials that would not be accessible to everybody. I think that the laws should be ammended stating that publishers have to allow fair use of the published materials. Also, I believe that fair use might not be understood in the same way elsewhere than in the USA. I see you are in Canberra, Australia. What does Australian law say about this? I have a draft based on the USA fair use provisions in a page in construction: http://members.tripod.com/jclerman/tmawg-c.htm they can be reached also by clicking on "terms and conditions" in: http://members.tripod.com/jclerman/tmawg.htm OOPS, I need to mention that all this was done on a TP770 not to be off-topic. JC > regards, al > > Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 > Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Fri Oct 1 02:13:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA18426 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:13:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22189; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:12:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22040; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22026; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (198.206.134.30 -> pima.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:12:01 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-106.gate.net [199.227.20.169]) by pima.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA48910; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:59:34 -0400 Message-ID: <37F450AE.8F69891@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 02:11:58 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu CC: thinkpad reply Subject: Re: step-by-step system load order References: <37F3BAC8.2AB5FC06@ssec.wisc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul..... which OS are you trying to load.. if not win98Se then i suggest that OS over win95B or win98... make a recovery diskette on another system and then try booting with that and a CD connected to the PC card slot.. then load the OS, and thereafter load the video driver (if its not in with the OS), the utility diskette and mwave and so forth... note: the 755cx was not designed for win95 or later.. its all a balancing act.. some features might work better under win95 than win98SE and vice-versa.. Paul Schnettler wrote: > I purchased a used thinkpad 755cx. and also have a clean 1.2G HD to swap > w/ the 340megger that it now has. Here's the question... > The small HD has WFW3.11 installed and the system operates fine. Mwave > modem and sound work as well as the serial and parallel ports, etc. > I tried to install dos and win95 on the larger HD with mixed results. > things didn't load, or were unrecognized...so I got smarter and visited > IBM's site and registered the thinkpad and got shuttled over to the > related software matrix. I have downloaded all the recovery disks and > all the related apps for this particular model. > What is the correct or most logical order to install the disks? > Dos? thinkpad utils? winblows? powermanagement ? > I have a dock-2 and a PCMCIA Cd-rom as well as an IDE Cd-rom to drop > into the dock-2 (I also have access to a serial port "backpack" cd-rom > unit) > I have tried to load an OS but ended with alot of frustration because > alot of parts seemed to be missing, power management, serial port was > unresponsive as well as no modem support. > I'd just like someone to help me with a step by step list of what parts > to load so that the final config. will recognize the most basic thinkpad > functions. > Of course... the windows95/98 is on Cd-rom so either PCMCIA support > needs to be addressed pretty early in the load or the IDE cd-rom needs > to be attended to. > How about some tips! > thanks, > Paul -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Fri Oct 1 02:17:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA18441 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:17:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22688; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:16:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22611; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22598; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (198.206.134.30 -> pima.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:16:53 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-106.gate.net [199.227.20.169]) by pima.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA19174; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:04:20 -0400 Message-ID: <37F451CD.785AABB4@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 02:16:45 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? References: <37F27493.F9A4EA7F@netzero.net> <7UQ5SGADU283EwiY@moab.demon.co.uk> <37F37C47.5F787CD7@icanect.net> <37F3857D.9E4DBE6F@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: JC.. :-) well, not 1000 cleanings of the SAME thinkpad, but maybe 100 cleanings of 20 or 30 thinkpads, 4 TFT monitors, more than a few normal monitors, the outside of more than 100 thinkpads, several television sets, the outside plastic of more stuff than i can remember, AND, last but not least, bird poop off my arm.. :-) Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > Bill: > > If you can show proof of having cleaned 1,000 screens without > any deterioration and without EZ-Serve allegations of "user > abuse", you'll be able to bottle your product and distribute > it worldwide with a label reading: "IBM THINKPAD PROVEN"(tm). > > That is, if and only if your IBM(tm) friends grant you official > "PROVEN" status. > > Disclaimer: the above shouldn't be construed as legal advice. > It's being provided ASIS and only for your entertainment. > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > I use about 20% denatured alcohol, 10% Joy dish soap, and the rest H2O (water). > > also note, IBM has a blurb in their knowledge base or someplace that tells how to > > clean the TFT display.. > > Like in some of the "Fine TP Manuals"... > > > Greg & Ruth Terrell wrote: > > > > > In the UK I have also known it called "Proponol". The last I bought was > > > from a chemist with a specialist photographic section - it was in that > > > section. However, that was several years ago and that chemist is no > > > longer in business! > > > > > > In message , Valentino > > > Kyriakides writes > > > >Here is the relevant information for Germany: > > > > > > > >Name: "Isopropyl Alkohol" (in Germany it's the same name as in > > > >english) > > > >Mixture: as desired by the customer, 100% or 70% etc. > > > >Quantity: also as desired by the customer 0.5 (500 ml) or 1 liter (1000 > > > >ml) etc. > > > >Where to buy: in a pharmacy (in Germany called "Apotheke") > > > >Price: for example 100% "Isopropyl Alkohol" in a 500 ml bottle DM 8.- > > > > (8 german marks), this may vary between different pharmacy > > > >shops > > > > > > > > > > > >BTW, when I bought it the man from the pharmacy asked me wherefor I need it. > > > >When I told him for my TFT displays, he smiled and told me that he also uses > > > >"Isopropyl Alkohol" for his Olivetti notebook display. > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: Juan-Carlos Lerman [mailto:jclerman@netzero.net] > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 10:21 PM > > > >> To: Valentino Kyriakides; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; ross@math.hawaii.edu > > > >> Subject: Re: TFT cleaning liquids or best way to clean TFTs? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Valentino: > > > >> > > > >> Please, let us know what are the commercial names given to > > > >> it in Germany and in other European countries, if possible. > > > >> Also where do you get it: pharmacy? grocery store? > > > >> > > > > > > snip > > > -- > > > Greg > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just > > don't care.. :-) > ________________________________________________________ > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Fri Oct 1 04:29:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA18755 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 04:29:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06145; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 04:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 04:28:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06015; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 04:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05972; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 04:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 04:27:25 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-40.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.40]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA11366 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 04:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991001042901.00813cf0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 04:29:01 -0700 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: Mark Bell Subject: Memory Prices (10/1/99) In-Reply-To: <199909300240.VAA29504@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990929204014.00fc8200@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: As expected, prices on Thinkpad memory upgrades (770/600 series), are on the way UP. Crucial's 128meg upgrade has SHOT up to $315.00. As for Kingston, I checked www.shopper.com, and the lowest listed was 185.00. I checked the first *4* sites on there, and when taken to their web sites, the price is $255.00 for the lowest and/or they don't have them in stock. One company said in 1-2 weeks with a price of $231.00. I called their voice # to verify the product, and their response was, "Product price may change without notice and/or product may be definitely out of stock." (Talk about protecting one's buttocks in these memory intensive trying times). NECX (my favorite source, as they are usually REAL competitive with excellent service), is obviously feeling the pinch. Their modules have gone from a low of 182.95 all the way up to $594.00....sheesh, and they do a heavy volume. CDW is holding rock steady at $300.00 for the same module (I'm picking big, mail order companies I've dealt with and trust and do not consider them, "fly by night," operations). 18 of the 24 companies listed on shopper.com have their modules priced closed to $300 and over. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Oct 1 04:53:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA18799 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 04:53:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07410; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 04:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 04:52:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07281; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 04:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07265; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 04:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 04:52:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA67784; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:51:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:51:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "STeve Andre'" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DVD and region code insanity = Hollywood's $$$ In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990930230807.00aa7650@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: Actually, all you have to do is uninstall Mediamatics DVDExpress and install it again. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > You are right and your anaology is apt: specialized glasses for > all, if the MPAA had their way. > > I have a 1472i with the Mediamatics software on it which has > never been graced with a DVD yet. Before I test it, I plan on > recording the contents of the directory of the software, and > the system registry. We'll see how "clever" they are. > > But, even failing that, I still cannot see how the entire system > has to be reloaded: the recovery CD is a large Zip file, isn't > it? No one has successfully pulled a piece off that before? > I've never looked at my recovery CD. > > You mentioned a URL in the IBM forum, talking about DVDs, but > I haven't seen it. Do you know what it is, perchance? > > What an OBNOXIOUS thing to do to users... But thanks for your > info, Juan-Carlos. > > STeve Andre' > andres@msu.edu > > At 07:37 PM 9/30/1999 -0700, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > >If book publishers would have divided the world in regions and > >would have required that we use special glasses to read only the > >books printed for one specific region, they would have been > >called unethical (or worse). > > > >Unfortunately does not seem to be other published method to > >change region with Mediamatics's DVDExpress than to reformat/reload > >as per IBM's info and my own experience. It's also spelled out in > >the DVDExpress manual. > > > >I had to reload Win95 from the recovery CD, on a TP770. > > > >Blame it on Hollywood, but not too much on IBM. It could be worse: > >it's rumored that in other players the encoding is done in the > >firmware and thus is more difficult to change. And the Mediamatics > >DVDExpress uses a quite "clever" method : do > >not make the mistake of playing as first DVD, after your OS reload, > >a DVD from region "0" or "NR" = no region. In that case you'll have > >to reload again. DVDExpress requires that the first DVD being > >played is from the region you want to adhere to until you wish to > >reload again... :-) > > > >On the other hand there is a published third party free hacked code > >for Zoran's SoftDVD that doesn't require reloading. There is an URL > >given in that IBM forum that you mentioned. In that URL there are > >utilities for several players and several computers. Use at your > >own risk. I haven't tried them. > > > >Also, if you have the knowledge (I don't) to find out what and > >where in the TP's software is changed from before and after > >entering the region number, you might have the solution. My hunch > >is that is irrecognizably encripted somewhere. > > > >Globalization welcome! The world is a big single village, except > >for DVD movies. > > > >STeve Andre' wrote: > >> > >> ...On a TP 1472i (and likely any DVD playing TP) the Mediamatics > >> software won't let you change the region code, once you've initially > >> set it up? > >> > >> Does anyone know how the region code is stored, such that it can be > >> altered? An officialy IBM spokeswoman recently said, in their discussion > >> forum, that *the system must be reloaded in order to change it*. > >> > >> Besides being bizarre, thats wrong unless the code somehow encrypts the > >> data and mismashes into the executable or something (and even then, I'd > >> bet that it could be circumvented). > >> > >> Any ideas? Comments? Any code that does this for other TPs would be > >> appreciated, too. I dimly remember some comments on this a while back > >> ago, which I stupidly didn't save because I didn't have a DVD playing > >> machine around me... > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> --STeve Andre' > >> andres@msu.edu > >________________________________________________________ > >NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > >Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > >http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > > > > From cph Fri Oct 1 06:36:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA19282 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:36:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19725; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:33:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19556; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19542; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:33:16 -0400 Received: from 51.chicago-08-09rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.151.51]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991001103314.QOIY29473@51.chicago-08-09rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:33:14 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DVD and region code insanity = Hollywood's $$$ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:33:25 GMT Message-ID: <37f58a19.6284619@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <3.0.6.32.19990930152425.00ab0ec0@pilot.msu.edu> <37F41E82.7F94B39@netzero.net> In-Reply-To: <37F41E82.7F94B39@netzero.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:37:54 -0700, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: >If book publishers would have divided the world in regions and >would have required that we use special glasses to read only the >books printed for one specific region, they would have been >called unethical (or worse). As someone who recently crossed the 200 discs mark on DVDs, I have to confess that I've never understood the attitudes against region-coding. It seems to me that it's perfectly sensible for the studios to not want a film released on DVD in a country before it's reached theaters there - it would be cutting into some of their own sales in various markets. I'm almost as inconvenienced as anyone else by this (I've got a list of films that haven't been released for region one that I'd love to own, but my Pioneer DVL-909 can be modified to play discs from any region so I have the option of viewing them), but I don't see it as something to get indignant about. And the analogy between books and film is invalid because of the simultaneous release factor. In most cases of English-language books, they are released pretty much the same time everywhere; non-English books already have a form of region-coding, in that you have to learn the language the author wrote the book in. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 eFax phone # - 801-328-3789 From cph Fri Oct 1 12:22:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21073 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:22:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12549; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:19:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12275; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from angel.algonet.se (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12246; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from angel.algonet.se (194.213.74.112 -> angel.algonet.se) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:19:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 14630 invoked from network); 1 Oct 1999 18:18:57 +0200 Received: from kent.algonet.se (194.213.74.90) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 1 Oct 1999 18:18:57 +0200 Received: from sdu212-74.ppp.algonet.se ([195.163.74.212]) by algonet.se (BLUETAIL Mail Robustifier1.0.4) with ESMTP ; Fri, 01 Oct 1999 16:18:57 GMT Message-ID: <005401bf0c28$a0e5c0a0$d44aa3c3@helsod> From: "Peter Soderholm" To: Subject: DVD - When were on the subject... Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:18:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01BF0C39.634070E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01BF0C39.634070E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi ! When were on the subject of DVD on the Thinkpad 600 I have some things = I've been wondering. 1) Is the several different brands of DVD drives for the 600 or just one = >from IBM. 2) Is the viewing quality full screen on the 13,3" screen OK or is the = quality much worse than a standalone drive. 3) Can the tv signal be connected to a tv set from the drive if one = wants to see the film on a television set. Do the drives have PAL output or the much dreaded NTSC only? 4) Do I need any special software to access the drive. I guess theres = some software to view the movies. Does it only work in win98 ?=20 I was curious about the area coding too but that seem to have been = clarified by now. Thanks Peter ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01BF0C39.634070E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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When were on the subject of DVD on the Thinkpad 600 = I have=20 some things I've been wondering.
 
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4) Do I need any special software to access the = drive. I guess=20 theres some software to view the movies. Does it only work in win98 ?=20
 
 
I was curious about the area coding too but that = seem to have=20 been clarified by now.
 
Thanks
Peter
------=_NextPart_000_0051_01BF0C39.634070E0-- From cph Fri Oct 1 12:37:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21188 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:37:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14091; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:34:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13926; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13904; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:34:49 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA02402 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:35:11 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199910011635.LAA02402@europa.veggie.com> Subject: colorful thinkpads coming To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:35:10 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Hiya everyone, Just read this on slashdot which had a pointer to the Yahoo article slashdot at: http://www.slashdot.org/ Cheers, Esmail ------------- Thursday September 30 10:57 PM EDT Big Blue unveiling colorful ThinkPad John G. Spooner, ZDNet IBM will make a fashion statement on Monday, when it announces three new ThinkPad i-Series 1400 notebooks. The company has redesigned the 12-month-old line of notebook PCs for consumers with greater individualization in mind, said Bill Holtshouser, program director for consumer mobile product marketing in Research Triangle Park, N.C. Purchasers of one of three new i-Series notebooks will be able to choose between seven different snap-on covers, ranging from a metallic green to an IBM blue color. The cover fits over the back of the ThinkPad's display panel. <....> ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Fri Oct 1 12:41:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21217 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:41:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14723; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:40:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14541; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail5.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14518; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail5.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.145 -> mail5.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:39:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 13571 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 1999 16:39:47 -0000 Received: from pppa39-tucson23-3r693.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.204.125) by mail5.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 1 Oct 1999 16:39:47 -0000 Message-ID: <37F4E409.BE357E68@netzero.net> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:40:41 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "STeve Andre'" , Vincent Poy Subject: Re: DVDExpress region change in TP770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id MAA14723 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA21218 In brief, no software solution for DVDExpress, yet. I'm forwarding the reply from the author of the code which is available at the URL quoted, I think, by Vincent: http://www.codefreedvd.com/dvd_dvdrom.htm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: DVD in TP770 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 17:54:58 +0200 From: Arne Hagesæther To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu Hi, they are for use with Zoran SoftDVD on a Thinkpad 770ED. Arne H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan-Carlos Lerman > Is your program for drives using Zoran SoftDVD > or for Mediamatics DVDExpress? > > Thanks in advance. > > jclerm@aztec.asu.edu > > > == ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Fri Oct 1 13:13:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21492 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:13:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17792; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:12:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17676; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17663; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:12:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA70168; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:12:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:12:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: DVDExpress region change in TP770 In-Reply-To: <37F4E409.BE357E68@netzero.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id NAA17792 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA21493 On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: Oh well, I installed the patch but never tested it yet. I thought it was for DVDExpress since that's what it said somewhere. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > In brief, no software solution for DVDExpress, yet. > > I'm forwarding the reply from the author of the code > which is available at the URL quoted, I think, by Vincent: > http://www.codefreedvd.com/dvd_dvdrom.htm > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: DVD in TP770 > Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 17:54:58 +0200 > From: Arne Hagesæther > To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu > > Hi, > > they are for use with Zoran SoftDVD on a Thinkpad 770ED. > > Arne H. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Juan-Carlos Lerman > > > Is your program for drives using Zoran SoftDVD > > or for Mediamatics DVDExpress? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > jclerm@aztec.asu.edu > > > > > > == > ________________________________________________________ > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > From cph Fri Oct 1 13:38:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21727 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:38:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20095; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:37:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19901; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19882; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:36:54 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (mg132-007.ricochet.net [204.179.132.7]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA19594; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:27:31 -0500 (CDT) From: mikes To: Esmail Bonakdarian , Esmail Bonakdarian , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads coming Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:25:05 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <199910011635.LAA02402@europa.veggie.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99100110272400.00532@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 01 Oct 1999, Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > Hiya everyone, > > Just read this on slashdot which had a pointer to the Yahoo article > > slashdot at: > > http://www.slashdot.org/ > > Cheers, > Esmail > ------------- > > Thursday September 30 10:57 PM EDT > > Big Blue unveiling colorful ThinkPad > > John G. Spooner, ZDNet > > IBM will make a fashion statement on Monday, when it announces three > new ThinkPad i-Series 1400 notebooks. > > The company has redesigned the 12-month-old line of notebook PCs for > consumers with greater individualization in mind, said Bill > Holtshouser, program director for consumer mobile product marketing in > Research Triangle Park, N.C. > > Purchasers of one of three new i-Series notebooks will be able to > choose between seven different snap-on covers, ranging from a metallic > green to an IBM blue color. The cover fits over the back of the > ThinkPad's display panel. > <....> This reminds me of the old Apple Powerbook 1400's. They had a snap on back. It was clear where you could put pictures or another type of graphic on the powerbook. From cph Fri Oct 1 15:11:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA22374 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:11:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27759; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:07:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27624; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27565; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.117 -> pilot017.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:07:08 -0400 Received: from andres (pm455-40.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.50]) by pilot017.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA57164 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:07:04 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991001150715.00aad450@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:07:15 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 1412 In-Reply-To: <99100111541800.00532@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: If I understand you right, you're backback pouch is too big for the 1412, right? If so, why not get some dense foam, cut out a rectangle for your ThinkPad, and then put that in the backpack? That way, with a little patience and time you'd have a perfect fit for your backpack. --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 11:50 AM 10/1/1999 -0700, mikes wrote: >Hello All, > >Just bought a TP 1412. Although I have a laptop brief case, I do like to carry >it in my back pack occasionally. Now with that in mind, the back pack that I >have now has a built in pocket for a laptop, but not for the size of the 1412. >So, what I am looking for is a pouch to put it in. I have looked everywhere for >something this large but am unable to find one. I don't want to buy another >back pack! Would any of you people know of a place? TIA. Mike From cph Fri Oct 1 15:19:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA22416 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:19:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26542; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:54:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26409; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26385; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:54:31 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (mg131-167.ricochet.net [204.179.131.167]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA02898 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:54:25 -0500 (CDT) From: mikes To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 1412 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:50:16 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99100111541800.00532@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello All, Just bought a TP 1412. Although I have a laptop brief case, I do like to carry it in my back pack occasionally. Now with that in mind, the back pack that I have now has a built in pocket for a laptop, but not for the size of the 1412. So, what I am looking for is a pouch to put it in. I have looked everywhere for something this large but am unable to find one. I don't want to buy another back pack! Would any of you people know of a place? TIA. Mike From cph Fri Oct 1 15:34:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA22510 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:34:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29657; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:28:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29529; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29511; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:28:15 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (mg131-167.ricochet.net [204.179.131.167]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA26482; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:28:08 -0500 (CDT) From: mikes To: "STeve Andre'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 1412 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:23:57 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3.0.6.32.19991001150715.00aad450@pilot.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99100112280201.00532@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Unsubscribe: No, the pouch inside is to small. I carried a 760 in there before I bought this one. So, what I am looking for is a pouch to put the puter in. And that pouch will be put inside my backpack. If anyone is familiar with Northface, it is the "Mohican" computer backpack. Mike On Fri, 01 Oct 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: > If I understand you right, you're backback pouch is too big for the 1412, > right? If so, why not get some dense foam, cut out a rectangle for your > ThinkPad, and then put that in the backpack? > > At 11:50 AM 10/1/1999 -0700, mikes wrote: > >Hello All, > > > >Just bought a TP 1412. Although I have a laptop brief case, I do like to > carry > >it in my back pack occasionally. Now with that in mind, the back pack that I > >have now has a built in pocket for a laptop, but not for the size of the > 1412. > >So, what I am looking for is a pouch to put it in. I have looked > everywhere for > >something this large but am unable to find one. I don't want to buy another > >back pack! Would any of you people know of a place? TIA. Mike From cph Fri Oct 1 17:24:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA23262 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:24:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04142; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:21:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03829; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot023.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03816; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot023.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.123 -> pilot023.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:21:00 -0400 Received: from andres (pm457-28.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.134]) by pilot023.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA23094 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:20:56 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991001172103.00ab37e0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 17:21:03 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 1412 In-Reply-To: <99100112280201.00532@localhost.localdomain> References: <3.0.6.32.19991001150715.00aad450@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: OK, Sorry--I'm not visualizing it right, then. I looked for northface on the web and found them--nice products, it looks like. But I didn't find any ref to Mochican, so perhaps its out of production now. I guess I'm still puzzled though, as to why you couldn't make a new pouch yourself, for your new TP. --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 12:23 PM 10/1/1999 -0700, mikes wrote: >No, the pouch inside is to small. I carried a 760 in there before I bought this >one. So, what I am looking for is a pouch to put the puter in. And that pouch >will be put inside my backpack. If anyone is familiar with Northface, it is the >"Mohican" computer backpack. Mike > > >On Fri, 01 Oct 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: > If I >understand you right, you're backback pouch is too big for the 1412, > right? >If so, why not get some dense foam, cut out a rectangle for your > ThinkPad, >and then put that in the backpack? > > At 11:50 AM 10/1/1999 -0700, mikes >wrote: > >Hello All, >> > >> >Just bought a TP 1412. Although I have a laptop brief case, I do like to >> carry >> >it in my back pack occasionally. Now with that in mind, the back pack that I >> >have now has a built in pocket for a laptop, but not for the size of the >> 1412. >> >So, what I am looking for is a pouch to put it in. I have looked >> everywhere for >> >something this large but am unable to find one. I don't want to buy another >> >back pack! Would any of you people know of a place? TIA. Mike From cph Fri Oct 1 17:38:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA23414 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:38:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04949; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:37:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04826; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04803; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (208.244.215.3 -> dns1.actionwebs.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:36:42 -0400 Received: from hades ([208.244.215.242]) by ares.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA17767 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: Subject: TP and 3-Com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:35:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01bf0c5d$49327a80$7700a8c0@hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Here we go again... TP 600E 2645 with NT4.0. I've installed the 3-Com 10/100 PC card. The diagnostics are ok, autodetect picks up the correct 10 or 100 port, but the PC Card in Control Panel has a big red X in it. Driver name elpc575 Driver status: the driver installed an started but didn't configure the device. I've tried different base/mem/irq settings, no change no clue. Also noted that PCMCIA is disabled in devices, but PCCard is not. When I run Cardwizard, it says "insertion process is currently in process" but doesn't do anything else. Any ideas? Mark From cph Sat Oct 2 00:40:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA25235 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 00:40:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20959; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 00:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 00:38:51 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20614; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 00:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 00:38:49 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id AAA06911 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 00:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06437; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.110 -> pilot010.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:13:05 -0400 Received: from andres (pm453-25.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.179]) by pilot010.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA49726 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:13:01 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990930221324.00aa9180@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:13:24 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads In-Reply-To: <37F41694.FBD8B2F1@lava.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: >From a purely security-minded point of view, I think black makes the most sense. The more bright and colorful, the more attractive an item is to those whose mentality resembles that of a magpie... --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 04:04 PM 9/30/1999 -1000, Keith Wong wrote: > >--Have you guys heard the news about the snap on colorful >cases for the new i-series 1400 thinkpads? I got the news from >MSNBC. It sounds like everyone is jumping on the iMac look. I dunno >I like the black rubbery looks of the TPs. Whaddayou guys think? > > --Keith > Honolulu, Hawaii From cph Sat Oct 2 01:42:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA25316 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:42:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23410; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:39:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23278; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access.crcn.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23265; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access.crcn.net (206.12.129.3 -> access.crcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:39:41 -0400 X-ROUTED: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:39:04 -0800 Received: from [206.12.129.40] by access.crcn.net with smtp id 165b3584 ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:38:52 -0800 Reply-To: From: "Pat Presidente" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: TP 390 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:33:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Currently I have a TP 380XD. It's a Pentium 266 MMX (not a Pentium II). I'm thinking about getting a refurbished TP 390 Celeron 366. Can anyone tell me what I might expect in performance in moving to the 390. What are the pros and cons of the celeron? I've read (on desktop machines) that the celerons are good performers these days, unlike the original non-cache 266 duds. Any experience out there Thanks in advance Pat ========================================================================= Pat Presidente School District 72 (Campbell River) District Technology Resource Teacher 425 Pinecrest Road Email: pat.presidente@sd72.bc.ca Campbell River, BC V9W 3P2 Ph.(250) 830-2353 Fx.(250) 830-2329 Your door to the future ========================================================================= Well you know I could have me a million more friends And all I'd have to lose is my point of view - John Prine ========================================================================= From cph Sat Oct 2 08:29:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA26140 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:29:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20949; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:27:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20747; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ntserver2.invention-machine.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20734; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ntserver2.invention-machine.com (12.30.60.66) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:27:12 -0400 Received: from alexkirk (1Cust150.tnt14.bos2.da.uu.net [63.27.163.150]) by ntserver2.invention-machine.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 4CHZDSLJ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:18:49 -0400 Message-ID: <07a501bf0cd1$733dee80$1178fea9@alexkirk> Reply-To: "Alex Kirkovsky" From: "Alex Kirkovsky" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: TP570 wallpapers Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:27:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_07A2_01BF0CAF.EB1FC080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_07A2_01BF0CAF.EB1FC080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I install Win98SE on my ThinkPad 570, but by some reasons I could not find nice walpapers shipped with my = TP570. I tried to find them on original "Recovery CD", but there are some = binary files. Nothing readable... :) Could somebody send me them? Thanks in advance!!! Regards, Alex Kirkovsky ------=_NextPart_000_07A2_01BF0CAF.EB1FC080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I install Win98SE on my ThinkPad 570,
but by some reasons I could not find nice walpapers shipped with my = TP570.
I tried to find them on original "Recovery CD", but there are some = binary=20 files.
Nothing readable...
:)
 
Could somebody send me them?
Thanks in advance!!!

Regards,
Alex Kirkovsky
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_07A2_01BF0CAF.EB1FC080-- From cph Sat Oct 2 13:19:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA26854 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:19:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28783; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:17:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28611; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28596; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:17:45 -0400 Received: from NEWPAD (mg128-123.ricochet.net [204.179.128.123]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA08050; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 12:17:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "mikes" , Subject: RE: Thinkpad 1412 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 10:17:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <99100111541800.00532@localhost.localdomain> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: > Just bought a TP 1412. Although I have a laptop brief case, I do like to carry > it in my back pack occasionally. Now with that in mind, the back pack that I > have now has a built in pocket for a laptop, but not for the size of the 1412. > So, what I am looking for is a pouch to put it in. I have looked everywhere for > something this large but am unable to find one. I don't want to buy another > back pack! Would any of you people know of a place? TIA. Mike Try: http://www.thepouch.com/ They make form-fitting pouches, cut to fit the computer exactly. I have several of them and they are quite nice. The padding is not very thick, but they are good for protecting the computer inside a larger case or backpack. Also see: http://dmoz.org/Computers/Hardware/Notebooks_and_Laptops/Cases_and_Accessori es/ for more options. (Sorry if that URL gets broken up by Outlook--you know what to do...) -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Sat Oct 2 15:16:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA27193 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:16:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02921; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:14:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02738; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02722; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (216.231.41.3 -> grace.speakeasy.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:14:39 -0400 Received: from 770z (01-055.011.popsite.net [192.216.200.55]) by grace.speakeasy.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17543; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 12:14:25 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990930182153.0095ea40@mail.speakeasy.org> X-Sender: rchalk@mail.speakeasy.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:30:52 -0400 To: paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu, thinkpad reply From: Richard Chalk Subject: Re: step-by-step system load order In-Reply-To: <37F3BAC8.2AB5FC06@ssec.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: If you have another computer with Windows98 installed, make the Boot Disk. Boot the thinkpad with this disk, create the primary partition, and be sure to make it active, reboot, and fun Format C: /s. Reboot again, still from the floppy, and it will offer you a choice to boot with CD-ROM support. I then recommend you copy the Win98 directory to the Hard drive, reboot without the floppy disk, and run setup from the Win98 directory on the Hard Drive. Do this with the machine undocked, and no PCMCIA cards installed. Then install Video Driver ("Features") Utilities, Capture, Audio, Modem, MIDI files, etc. The order should not matter much. PCMCIA support should be in the Windows98 installation, and will occur when you plug in a card.. When finished, shut down, dock the machine, and power up. It will create a new configuration called "Docked" and should find the drivers in the Win98 directory. If you leave this directory intact, any additional accessories will install without asking you for the CD-ROM disk. Regards, Richard At 02:32 PM 9/30/99 -0500, Paul Schnettler wrote: >I purchased a used thinkpad 755cx. and also have a clean 1.2G HD to swap >w/ the 340megger that it now has. Here's the question... >The small HD has WFW3.11 installed and the system operates fine. Mwave >modem and sound work as well as the serial and parallel ports, etc. >I tried to install dos and win95 on the larger HD with mixed results. >things didn't load, or were unrecognized...so I got smarter and visited >IBM's site and registered the thinkpad and got shuttled over to the >related software matrix. I have downloaded all the recovery disks and >all the related apps for this particular model. >What is the correct or most logical order to install the disks? >Dos? thinkpad utils? winblows? powermanagement ? >I have a dock-2 and a PCMCIA Cd-rom as well as an IDE Cd-rom to drop >into the dock-2 (I also have access to a serial port "backpack" cd-rom >unit) >I have tried to load an OS but ended with alot of frustration because >alot of parts seemed to be missing, power management, serial port was >unresponsive as well as no modem support. >I'd just like someone to help me with a step by step list of what parts >to load so that the final config. will recognize the most basic thinkpad >functions. >Of course... the windows95/98 is on Cd-rom so either PCMCIA support >needs to be addressed pretty early in the load or the IDE cd-rom needs >to be attended to. >How about some tips! >thanks, >Paul From cph Sat Oct 2 16:04:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA27372 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:04:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04832; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:03:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04720; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04706; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:03:26 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p41.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.56]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA05063 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910022005.NAA05063@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 13:03:31 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Windows 2000 and TP760ED List-Unsubscribe: I've run into a problem with NT. This might be more of a software issue than hardware, but anyways - In NT 4 (which I'm running now, and it runs quite well), however (since I'm using a small hard drive now), I use it to play MP3's in my car quite a bit, and with the HD being only 1.4GB, I run some apps off my TP750 (through the network one way or the other). Only problem is when I suspend, I lose that connectivity. In Windows 2000 however, everything works *except* for sound. It install's it's own mwave drivers. If I try to install over it, it complains. I've tried using the NT4 drivers with minimul success (only sound during boot), and Win98 drivers with less success. Does anyone have any suggestions, or would I be better off waiting for Win 2K Release Candidate 2 (which I'll be obtaining from a seminar on Oct. 12)? Or is this machine not too suitable for Win 2K? On a side note, I upgraded to 80MB, and despite Win 2K asking for a P166 minimum, it runs quite well on my machine otherwise. Paul From cph Sat Oct 2 19:19:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA27922 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:19:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10335; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:17:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10162; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cfl.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10105; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cfl.rr.com (24.92.1.20 -> cfmail.tampabay.rr.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:16:32 -0400 Received: from flh460wdunaway2 ([24.95.251.50]) by mail.cfl.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:13:18 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Wes Dunaway" To: Subject: Infrared on TP 760XL w/ NT 4.0 SP5 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:16:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bf0d2c$28d39420$32fb5f18@cfl.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I need to get infrared to work on my TP760XL (9547-U9C) with NT 4.0 SP5 for HotSync with a WorkPad (Palm Pilot clone). I downloaded the irtpgwnt.exe package from IBM's website. Whenever I run it, though, I get an application error: Infrared Data Association Driver Setup: setup.exe - Application Error The instruction at "0x56545250" referenced memory at "0x56545250". The memory could not be "read". Click on OK to terminate... I downloaded the package again to make certain it wasn't corrupt and tried to run the install program on my desktop box (also NT4SP5) with the same result. For whatever reason, the infrared driver setup calls NT's setup.exe. I figured that setup.exe was patched sometime between SP3 and SP5, but setup.exe is the same file that's on the NT CD-ROM. Maybe they changed a DLL or something, but in any event, it doesn't work and any help will be greatly appreciated! Wes Dunaway wdunaway@altavista.net From cph Sat Oct 2 20:30:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA28179 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:30:26 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12684; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:29:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12512; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12492; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:29:19 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.192]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991003002917.ZPSI15731@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 00:29:17 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991002202816.00a56770@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:28:16 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads In-Reply-To: <37F41694.FBD8B2F1@lava.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:04 PM 9/30/99 -1000, Keith Wong wrote: >--Have you guys heard the news about the snap on colorful >cases for the new i-series 1400 thinkpads? I got the news from >MSNBC. It sounds like everyone is jumping on the iMac look. I dunno >I like the black rubbery looks of the TPs. Whaddayou guys think? > I think that black goes with everything. From cph Sat Oct 2 20:45:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA28228 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:45:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13399; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:45:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13241; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13228; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:44:58 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p25.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.118]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA20699; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910030046.RAA20699@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jane Loyless" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 17:44:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads List-Unsubscribe: >I think that black goes with everything. > And personally, I think it looks more professional. I can't stand the colors of the iMac or its corresponding notebook (and it looks like something kids would want). From cph Sat Oct 2 20:48:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA28234 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:48:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13745; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:47:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13560; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13522; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:47:15 -0400 Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA29982 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id UAA08644; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Clik! drive in a TP under NT? From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 02 Oct 1999 20:47:11 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: Howdy- Shot in the dark question: the Iomega Clik! drive PC Card version (the one which lives entirely in the PC Card Slot) is really intriguing to me. Their web site seems to indicate that it only runs under Win95 and Win98. Does anyone have any reason to believe that it might work now or in the near future on a TP570 using NT4? Thanks! Peace, dNb From cph Sat Oct 2 21:05:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA28277 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:05:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14604; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:04:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14443; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14429; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:03:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA80437; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 18:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 18:03:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Paul Khoury cc: Jane Loyless , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads In-Reply-To: <199910030046.RAA20699@stevie.loop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Paul Khoury wrote: > >I think that black goes with everything. > > And personally, I think it looks more professional. > I can't stand the colors of the iMac or its corresponding > notebook (and it looks like something kids would want). Actually, silver or platinum would look good too I think. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Sat Oct 2 21:12:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA28287 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:12:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15308; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:11:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15139; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15082; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.101.169.57 -> slip-32-101-169-57.nj.us.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:11:47 -0400 Message-ID: <001901bf0d3c$e8280940$39a96520@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: Subject: 770ED LCD Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:16:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF0D1B.5E67C400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF0D1B.5E67C400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well the LCD finally went out. The intermittent 'dark screen' became = permanent and I could not read a thing without using an external = monitor. Called EZ_Serve and it went out Wed afternoon and returned Friday = morning with a new inverter card and they also replaced the palm rest as = it was peeling a little on the edge. Can't complain about EZ-Serve. They did very well..... Don ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF0D1B.5E67C400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well the LCD finally went out. The = intermittent=20 'dark screen' became permanent and I could not read a thing without = using an=20 external monitor.
 
Called EZ_Serve and it went out Wed = afternoon and=20 returned Friday morning with a new inverter card and they also replaced = the palm=20 rest as it was peeling a little on the edge.
 
Can't complain about EZ-Serve. They did = very=20 well.....
 
 
Don
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF0D1B.5E67C400-- From cph Sat Oct 2 21:14:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA28297 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:14:57 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15615; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:14:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15477; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail7.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15461; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail7.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.40 -> mail7.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:13:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 28034 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 1999 01:13:54 -0000 Received: from pppa58-tucson6-4r344.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.217.120) by mail7.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 3 Oct 1999 01:13:54 -0000 Message-ID: <37F6AE07.B17557DD@netzero.net> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 18:14:47 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Paul Khoury , Jane Loyless , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: ...and the trackpoint cover real gold or diamond! Vincent Poy wrote: > > On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Paul Khoury wrote: > > > >I think that black goes with everything. > > > > And personally, I think it looks more professional. > > I can't stand the colors of the iMac or its corresponding > > notebook (and it looks like something kids would want). > > Actually, silver or platinum would look good too I think. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Sat Oct 2 21:21:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA28309 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:21:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16242; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:20:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16106; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16092; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:20:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA80516; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 18:20:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 18:20:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu cc: Paul Khoury , Jane Loyless , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads In-Reply-To: <37F6AE07.B17557DD@netzero.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: Nah.... that would be bad.... I'm just saying that a metal chassis might be better since it's more durable than plastic. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > ...and the trackpoint cover real gold or diamond! > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Paul Khoury wrote: > > > > > >I think that black goes with everything. > > > > > > And personally, I think it looks more professional. > > > I can't stand the colors of the iMac or its corresponding > > > notebook (and it looks like something kids would want). > > > > Actually, silver or platinum would look good too I think. > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > ________________________________________________________ > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > From cph Sat Oct 2 21:40:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA28340 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:40:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17303; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:39:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17132; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17119; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:39:38 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.192]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991003013930.PML15731@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:39:30 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991002213829.00b259f0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 21:38:29 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads In-Reply-To: References: <199910030046.RAA20699@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:03 PM 10/2/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > Actually, silver or platinum would look good too I think. > Let me see... Little silver dress? Little platinum dress?? Nah, just doesn't have the same ring to it. Basic black - goes with everything! (Although there is merit to the diamond TrackPoint cover idea... maybe a ruby? ) I hope the nimrod that came up with the new dress for the 14xx TPs has nothing to do with the other lines. (Visualize putting a blueberry or cotton candy pink TP on the standards list and hearing from the first exec that orders one expecting it to be black... ) Jane From cph Sat Oct 2 21:49:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA28356 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:49:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17872; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:48:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17740; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17727; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:48:38 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.192]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991003014836.SXA15731@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:48:36 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991002214736.00b12b80@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 21:47:36 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Clik! drive in a TP under NT? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:47 PM 10/2/99 -0400, David N. Blank-Edelman wrote: > Shot in the dark question: the Iomega Clik! drive PC Card version > (the one which lives entirely in the PC Card Slot) is really > intriguing to me. Their web site seems to indicate that it only runs > under Win95 and Win98. Does anyone have any reason to believe that > it might work now or in the near future on a TP570 using NT4? > Doubt it, but I have one that Iomega sent me for testing. If someone will remind me next week, I'll test it on NT. It's a cute little thing. From cph Sat Oct 2 22:20:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA28423 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 22:20:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18778; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 22:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 22:19:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18686; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 22:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18673; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 22:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.144 -> mail4.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 22:19:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 848 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 1999 02:19:45 -0000 Received: from pppa72-tucson3-1r80.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.221.46) by mail4.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 3 Oct 1999 02:19:45 -0000 Message-ID: <37F6BD75.EC4874DA@netzero.net> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 19:20:37 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads References: <199910030046.RAA20699@stevie.loop.com> <3.0.1.32.19991002213829.00b259f0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: It has to be black. Black is real cool. I mean it cools faster than other color. I like the ruby idea for the trackpoint cover. With a properly roughened surface it would feel always OK and the same, it would retain its color despite our (sorry, I mean my) dirty fingers, and would be more cost effective considering the replacement cost of the current plastic ones. JC Jane Loyless wrote: > > At 06:03 PM 10/2/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > > > Actually, silver or platinum would look good too I think. > > > > Let me see... Little silver dress? Little platinum dress?? Nah, just > doesn't have the same ring to it. Basic black - goes with everything! > (Although there is merit to the diamond TrackPoint cover idea... maybe a > ruby? ) > > I hope the nimrod that came up with the new dress for the 14xx TPs has > nothing to do with the other lines. (Visualize putting a blueberry or > cotton candy pink TP on the standards list and hearing from the first exec > that orders one expecting it to be black... ) > > Jane ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Sat Oct 2 23:08:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA28519 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:08:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20292; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:07:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20175; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20161; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:07:47 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p25.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.118]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA28864; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910030307.UAA28864@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "jclerm@aztec.asu.edu" , "Juan-Carlos Lerman" , "Vincent Poy" Cc: "Jane Loyless" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:06:10 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 18:14:47 -0700, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: >...and the trackpoint cover real gold or diamond! > A rough diamond trackpoint (sorta like emery boards or sandpaper) would be nice, but then IBM wouldn't make money off all those replacement trackpoints.... From cph Sat Oct 2 23:11:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA28533 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:11:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20584; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:11:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20503; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20486; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:10:55 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p25.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.118]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA29136 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910030312.UAA29136@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:11:01 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Good PCMCIA ethernet cards List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone have any suggestions for a good PCMCIA ethernet card for ThinkPads, particulary the 760? I really like 3COM's cards, but it gets me mad that the cables are so darn cheap, and regular use (or my cat) will mess them up. I was looking at the Xircom Realport cards, for use under NT, maybe Win98 or Win2K. Has anyone had any experiance with these, or the XJack cards? I doubt I'll be using OS/2 on this machine anymore, but just in case, OS/2 support would be nice, but not nessecary. I'm not too familar with Cardbus either. Any pros or cons? I might go the route of 10/100, even though my current network is 10BaseT, and will probably remain so for a while. Paul From cph Sat Oct 2 23:20:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA28548 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:20:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21352; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:19:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21204; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21191; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:19:38 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.18.133]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991003031935.XIKP7282@compaq>; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 03:19:35 +0000 Message-ID: <37F6F54F.45D9@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 23:18:55 -0700 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Good PCMCIA ethernet cards References: <199910030312.UAA29136@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Xircom CE-10 is the best I have ever used! Paul Khoury wrote: > > Does anyone have any suggestions for a good PCMCIA ethernet card > for ThinkPads, particulary the 760? I really like 3COM's cards, but it gets me > mad that the cables are so darn cheap, and regular use (or my cat) will mess them > up. > > I was looking at the Xircom Realport cards, for use under NT, maybe Win98 or Win2K. > Has anyone had any experiance with these, or the XJack cards? I doubt I'll be using > OS/2 on this machine anymore, but just in case, OS/2 support would be nice, but > not nessecary. > > I'm not too familar with Cardbus either. Any pros or cons? I might go the route of 10/100, even > though my current network is 10BaseT, and will probably remain so for a while. > > Paul From cph Sat Oct 2 23:25:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA28555 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:25:26 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21775; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:24:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21645; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail10.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21631; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail10.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.43 -> mail10.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:24:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 20010 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 1999 03:24:34 -0000 Received: from pppa56-tucson4-2r80.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.220.214) by mail10.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 3 Oct 1999 03:24:34 -0000 Message-ID: <37F6CC7B.72D9CA9E@netzero.net> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:24:43 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads References: <199910030307.UAA28864@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul Khoury wrote: > > On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 18:14:47 -0700, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > >...and the trackpoint cover real gold or diamond! > > > A rough diamond trackpoint (sorta like emery boards or sandpaper) would be nice, > but then IBM wouldn't make money off all those replacement trackpoints.... Tell me! Last June I bought enough covers to be TrackPoint Y2K compliant, that is to have a clean nice one to put it on at the crucial time... In fact, Paul is right, an emery board type of surface made of industrial grade diamond powder would make an eternal and cleanable cover. JC == ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Sun Oct 3 00:21:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA28728 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 00:21:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22820; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:48:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22721; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22708; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:48:54 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id UAA03905 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991002204536.00b65530@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:47:35 -0700 To: "ThinkPad List" From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Good PCMCIA ethernet cards In-Reply-To: <199910030312.UAA29136@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:11 PM 10/2/1999 , Paul Khoury wrote: >Does anyone have any suggestions for a good PCMCIA ethernet card >for ThinkPads, particulary the 760? I really like 3COM's cards, but it gets me >mad that the cables are so darn cheap, and regular use (or my cat) will mess them >up. > >I was looking at the Xircom Realport cards, for use under NT, maybe Win98 or Win2K. >Has anyone had any experiance with these, or the XJack cards? I doubt I'll be using >OS/2 on this machine anymore, but just in case, OS/2 support would be nice, but >not nessecary. > >I'm not too familar with Cardbus either. Any pros or cons? I might go the route of 10/100, even >though my current network is 10BaseT, and will probably remain so for a while. I've been using the Xircom 10/100 ethernet + 56K modem card card for almost a year now on my TP-380Z under both OS/2 Warp 4 and NT-4 (sp3) without a problem. No dongles to break or lose. No x-jack to break off. A very nice product. From cph Sun Oct 3 01:32:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA28880 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:32:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26875; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:31:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26757; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26744; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:31:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA81554; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 22:31:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 22:31:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Paul Khoury cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Good PCMCIA ethernet cards In-Reply-To: <199910030312.UAA29136@stevie.loop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Paul Khoury wrote: Maybe a 3Com that uses the XJack? It's better to go with CardBUS since CardBUS is a 32 bit bus while the standard PCMCIA is 16 bit. Without Cardbus, you'll get 12Mbps max even for a 100BT card. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Does anyone have any suggestions for a good PCMCIA ethernet card > for ThinkPads, particulary the 760? I really like 3COM's cards, but it gets me > mad that the cables are so darn cheap, and regular use (or my cat) will mess them > up. > > I was looking at the Xircom Realport cards, for use under NT, maybe Win98 or Win2K. > Has anyone had any experiance with these, or the XJack cards? I doubt I'll be using > OS/2 on this machine anymore, but just in case, OS/2 support would be nice, but > not nessecary. > > I'm not too familar with Cardbus either. Any pros or cons? I might go the route of 10/100, even > though my current network is 10BaseT, and will probably remain so for a while. > > Paul > > > From cph Sun Oct 3 10:14:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA06997 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:14:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26244; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:12:47 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26116; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:12:46 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id KAA09399 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23576; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:02:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mill.cisco.com (161.44.200.11) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:03:00 -0400 Received: from mill.cisco.com (mill.cisco.com [161.44.200.11]) by mill.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA27157; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 07:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 07:54:18 -0400 (EDT) To: Vincent Poy cc: Paul Khoury , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Good PCMCIA ethernet cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: [...] > > I was looking at the Xircom Realport cards, for use under NT, maybe Win98 or Win2K. > > Has anyone had any experiance with these, or the XJack cards? I doubt I'll be using > > OS/2 on this machine anymore, but just in case, OS/2 support would be nice, but > > not nessecary. We've used both extensively with Toshiba notebooks, and the IBM 600. They work fine for all MS OSes, though the Realport cards can occasionally be challenging under NT 4.0. Can't vouch specifically for your Thinkpad, but I find it hard to believe that you'd bump into any major issues. One minor consideration: if this is to be *just* and ethernet card (and not an ethernet/modem combo card), I'd probably suggest the XJack, as you'll still have a PCMCIA slot open. -Ken > > > > I'm not too familar with Cardbus either. Any pros or cons? I might go the route of 10/100, even > > though my current network is 10BaseT, and will probably remain so for a while. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > From cph Sun Oct 3 10:51:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA07078 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:51:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27363; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:51:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27237; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27223; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (216.32.181.82 -> law2-f82.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:50:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 15473 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 1999 14:50:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19991003145053.15472.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.15.93.203 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 03 Oct 1999 07:50:53 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.15.93.203] From: "Rat Boy" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 07:50:53 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: >From: Jane Loyless >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads >Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:28:16 -0400 > >At 04:04 PM 9/30/99 -1000, Keith Wong wrote: > > >--Have you guys heard the news about the snap on colorful > >cases for the new i-series 1400 thinkpads? I got the news from > >MSNBC. It sounds like everyone is jumping on the iMac look. I dunno > >I like the black rubbery looks of the TPs. Whaddayou guys think? The high quality black is what sets the TP apart. Why mess with a winner? > > > >I think that black goes with everything. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Sun Oct 3 11:46:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA07215 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:46:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29839; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:45:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29715; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29702; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.144 -> mail4.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:45:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 10405 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 1999 15:45:36 -0000 Received: from pppa8-tucson21-1r693.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.204.238) by mail4.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 3 Oct 1999 15:45:36 -0000 Message-ID: <37F77A46.E97D4ADD@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 08:46:14 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu Organization: Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rat Boy CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads References: <19991003145053.15472.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Fashion: new dresses are shown at the beginning of each season. Soon you'll see a glamorous ThinkPad dressed model on the cover of Vogue Magazine and the ThinkPads will become media celebrities... Some users already clad them in wetsuits, watch for the ThinkPad swimsuit models in future... Rat Boy wrote: > > >From: Jane Loyless > >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > >Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads > >Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:28:16 -0400 > > > >At 04:04 PM 9/30/99 -1000, Keith Wong wrote: > > > > >--Have you guys heard the news about the snap on colorful > > >cases for the new i-series 1400 thinkpads? I got the news from > > >MSNBC. It sounds like everyone is jumping on the iMac look. I dunno > > >I like the black rubbery looks of the TPs. Whaddayou guys think? > > The high quality black is what sets the TP apart. Why mess with a winner? > > > > > > > >I think that black goes with everything. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Sun Oct 3 12:19:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07334 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:19:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01529; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:18:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01359; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01340; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:18:32 -0400 Received: from intellistation (vkyr-home.lav.de [194.64.62.36]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA25016; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:18:23 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Good PCMCIA ethernet cards Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:17:33 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <199910030312.UAA29136@stevie.loop.com> List-Unsubscribe: I use a Xircom RealPort CardBus Ethernet 10/100 + Modem 56 in my TP 770 under Win 9x and it works great. Another TP 770 user reported that he uses the same card under NT without problems. In my little LAN at home (IBM IntelliStation, NeXTstation and the TP 770) the card boosts very well, also I have no problems with it's modem part, which outperforms my Zoom desktop modem. In general I like the Xircom connector system which is compact and easy to use. However, the 3COM XJACK cards seem also to have robust connectors, but AFAIK there isn't any 3COM combo card with two XJACKS (Ethernet+Modem) available. On Xircoms www page there is a published (independent?) testreport of some card connectors and there Xircoms connectors got the better critism (but maybe they paid for good critism, who knows?). If you are looking only for a Ethernet card, then you may have another free PCMCIA slot when choosing a 3COM card. IMHO both, Xircom and 3COM are building good cards, the question here is, which one has the better device driver and software support for all operating systems (?). Maybe some TP list user has experiences with both PCMCIA card vendors and is willing to share his experiences. Greetings Valentino > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Khoury [mailto:pkhoury@loop.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 5:11 AM > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: Good PCMCIA ethernet cards > > > Does anyone have any suggestions for a good PCMCIA ethernet card > for ThinkPads, particulary the 760? I really like 3COM's cards, > but it gets me > mad that the cables are so darn cheap, and regular use (or my > cat) will mess them > up. > > I was looking at the Xircom Realport cards, for use under NT, > maybe Win98 or Win2K. > Has anyone had any experiance with these, or the XJack cards? I > doubt I'll be using > OS/2 on this machine anymore, but just in case, OS/2 support > would be nice, but > not nessecary. > > I'm not too familar with Cardbus either. Any pros or cons? I > might go the route of 10/100, even > though my current network is 10BaseT, and will probably remain so > for a while. > > Paul > > From cph Sun Oct 3 13:41:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07520 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:41:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04046; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:39:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03924; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03911; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:39:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA84801; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:39:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:39:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Valentino Kyriakides cc: Paul Khoury , ThinkPad List Subject: RE: Good PCMCIA ethernet cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Valentino Kyriakides wrote: > I use a Xircom RealPort CardBus Ethernet 10/100 + Modem 56 in my TP 770 > under Win 9x and it works great. Another TP 770 user reported that he uses > the same card under NT without problems. In my little LAN at home (IBM > IntelliStation, NeXTstation and the TP 770) the card boosts very well, also > I have no problems with it's modem part, which outperforms my Zoom desktop > modem. This is likely since the Zoom uses Rockwell chipsets and the Xircom uses Lucent's chipsets. Both are not a datapump made by the modem manufacturers. The Xircom's modem performance is actually worst than the 3Com if you read the PC Magazine review earlier this year. Xircom is good for the Ethernet part but not for the modem side which is what Intel and IBM PCMCIA cards are using for their cards. 3Com had the better modem but the 10/100 combo was bad since they only had a 16bit version back then and not until now did they have the CardBUS version of the card. > In general I like the Xircom connector system which is compact and easy to > use. However, the 3COM XJACK cards seem also to have robust connectors, but > AFAIK there isn't any 3COM combo card with two XJACKS (Ethernet+Modem) > available. On Xircoms www page there is a published (independent?) > testreport of some card connectors and there Xircoms connectors got the > better critism (but maybe they paid for good critism, who knows?). I don't like the Xircom system because it takes up two slots instead of one. I think LinkSys makes a combo card that takes only one slot that is similar to the Xircom. What Xircom should have done is make the connectors part extend out and then go up or down so another card can be inserted. I think 3Com does have a card with XJacks for both modem and ethernet but it's only 56k+10Mbps and not 56k+10/100. > If you are looking only for a Ethernet card, then you may have another free > PCMCIA slot when choosing a 3COM card. IMHO both, Xircom and 3COM are > building good cards, the question here is, which one has the better device > driver and software support for all operating systems (?). It should be 3Com since Xircom cards don't even come with any software. It's the most barebones of cards. > Maybe some TP list user has experiences with both PCMCIA card vendors and is > willing to share his experiences. > > Greetings Valentino Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Sun Oct 3 13:58:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07586 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:58:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05056; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:57:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04897; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04884; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:57:21 -0400 Received: from TP600 ([209.138.39.179]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28596; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00bd01bf0dc8$e5d27ae0$45268ad1@TP600> Reply-To: "James Lai" From: "James Lai" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "Thinkpad" References: Subject: Re: Good PCMCIA ethernet card Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:58:25 -0700 Organization: US EPA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2918.2701 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 List-Unsubscribe: How much faster is Cardbus comparing with 16 bit cards in reality? Anyway numbers or findings?? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent Poy To: Valentino Kyriakides Cc: Paul Khoury ; ThinkPad List Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 10:39 AM Subject: RE: Good PCMCIA ethernet cards > On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Valentino Kyriakides wrote: > > > I use a Xircom RealPort CardBus Ethernet 10/100 + Modem 56 in my TP 770 > > under Win 9x and it works great. Another TP 770 user reported that he uses > > the same card under NT without problems. In my little LAN at home (IBM > > IntelliStation, NeXTstation and the TP 770) the card boosts very well, also > > I have no problems with it's modem part, which outperforms my Zoom desktop > > modem. > > This is likely since the Zoom uses Rockwell chipsets and the > Xircom uses Lucent's chipsets. Both are not a datapump made by the modem > manufacturers. The Xircom's modem performance is actually worst than the > 3Com if you read the PC Magazine review earlier this year. Xircom is good > for the Ethernet part but not for the modem side which is what Intel and > IBM PCMCIA cards are using for their cards. 3Com had the better modem but > the 10/100 combo was bad since they only had a 16bit version back then and > not until now did they have the CardBUS version of the card. > > > In general I like the Xircom connector system which is compact and easy to > > use. However, the 3COM XJACK cards seem also to have robust connectors, but > > AFAIK there isn't any 3COM combo card with two XJACKS (Ethernet+Modem) > > available. On Xircoms www page there is a published (independent?) > > testreport of some card connectors and there Xircoms connectors got the > > better critism (but maybe they paid for good critism, who knows?). > > I don't like the Xircom system because it takes up two slots > instead of one. I think LinkSys makes a combo card that takes only one > slot that is similar to the Xircom. What Xircom should have done is make > the connectors part extend out and then go up or down so another card can > be inserted. I think 3Com does have a card with XJacks for both modem and > ethernet but it's only 56k+10Mbps and not 56k+10/100. > > > If you are looking only for a Ethernet card, then you may have another free > > PCMCIA slot when choosing a 3COM card. IMHO both, Xircom and 3COM are > > building good cards, the question here is, which one has the better device > > driver and software support for all operating systems (?). > > It should be 3Com since Xircom cards don't even come with any > software. It's the most barebones of cards. > > > Maybe some TP list user has experiences with both PCMCIA card vendors and is > > willing to share his experiences. > > > > Greetings Valentino > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > From cph Sun Oct 3 14:09:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA07611 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:09:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05757; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:08:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05582; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05569; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:08:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA84935; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:08:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:08:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: James Lai cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Good PCMCIA ethernet card In-Reply-To: <00bd01bf0dc8$e5d27ae0$45268ad1@TP600> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, James Lai wrote: > How much faster is Cardbus comparing with 16 bit cards in reality? Anyway > numbers or findings?? Well, think of it like PCI (CardBUS) 32bit versus ISA (16bit PCMCIA). 16Bit is cable of doing I think 12Mbps max so even if you had a 100Mbps card, you can only get 12Mbps out of it. The CardBUS 100Mbps card will do full speed since 32bit can handle up to 133Mbps. The only thing is that modems can run on PCMCIA just fine but FastEthernet is another story. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Sun Oct 3 15:44:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA07890 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:44:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10277; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:43:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10076; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09898; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:41:51 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-19.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.19]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA10201 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991003154130.01340cb0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 15:41:30 -0700 To: Thinkpad From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Good PCMCIA ethernet card In-Reply-To: References: <00bd01bf0dc8$e5d27ae0$45268ad1@TP600> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:08 AM 10/03/1999 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: >On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, James Lai wrote: > >> How much faster is Cardbus comparing with 16 bit cards in reality? Anyway >> numbers or findings?? > > Well, think of it like PCI (CardBUS) 32bit versus ISA (16bit >PCMCIA). 16Bit is cable of doing I think 12Mbps max so even if you had a >100Mbps card, you can only get 12Mbps out of it. The CardBUS 100Mbps card >will do full speed since 32bit can handle up to 133Mbps. The only thing >is that modems can run on PCMCIA just fine but FastEthernet is another >story. For modems, it doesn't make a difference, as it would never even come close to using all the bandwidth 16-bit (AT) ISA technology has to offer let alone even 8-bit (XT) (singular), ISA slots. A 32-bit cardbus modem will not yield better performance than a 16-bit PC Card device. (A theoretical POTS analog line connection at 53kbps = .053mbps = .00625MB/sec). In addition, based upon the PC99 spec whipped up by the WINTEL monopoly , ISA is slated for total removal in the next wave of PCs (Meaning your next PC will NOT have ISA slots). The 16-bit PC Card spec is based on ISA (AT). The 32-bit Cardbus spec is based on PCI. Mb = megabit MB = Megabyte XT = eXtended Technology AT = Advanced Technology ISA = Industry Standard Architecture PCI = Peripheral Component Interface Network cards? Ouch time... 10mbps = 1.25megabytes/sec (On a clear day with NO traffic elsewhere) 100mbps = 12.5megabytes/sec " " " " Now, 32-bit AGP = 66mhz x 32-bit (4bytes) = theoretical 264megabytes/sec 32-bit PCI = 33Mhz x 32-bit (4bytes) = theoretical 132megabytes/sec 16-bit ISA = 8mhz x 16-bit (2bytes) = theoretical 16megabytes/sec 8-bit ISA = 4.77mhz x 8-bit (1byte) = theoretical 4.77megabytes/sec That 16MB/sec is really like 8MB/sec because of a clock cycle used for addressing. Real world bandwidth would be ~5MB/sec (40mbps) or potentially even less, but you have to remember this technology was introduced back when the IBM PC AT 80286 tower of power was out (6+mhz of breathtaking speed back in 1983!). That is why companies like 3Com warn you with their ISA based 10/100mbps ISA cards that don't expect transfer rates even close to 100mbps. ISA solutions are offered for legacy support, and I've seen my fair share of corporate users with 486 ISA only IBM/ValuePoints flip OUT when their network connects seem, "so slow..." With networking, if you use 10bT only, then 16-bit PC Card technology is fine (They tried to do away with, "PCMCIA," to replace it with "PC Card," but I have, "PCMCIA" stuck in my head usually ). But if you have an eye on the future, and your notebook supports 32-bit Cardbus technology, go in that direction. Personally, I am a fan of USR's modem datapumps since the HST days, and I tend to stick with 3com/usr/megahertz solutions for my computing needs. I used a Xircom IIps PCMCIA 10mbps adapter before, and it worked just fine, but I've always been a USR zealot. For my modem and network solutions, I stick with Xjack devices. I think the RealPort is a neat idea, but I need a Type II slot open because I routinely use a 1480 SCSI Adapter on the go. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Sun Oct 3 16:02:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA07951 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:02:26 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11850; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:01:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11714; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11699; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:01:17 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA09126 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:01:39 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199910032001.PAA09126@europa.veggie.com> Subject: tp560 battery rebate anyone? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:01:39 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Hiya, Just curious, did anyone ever get any money for the rebate microwarehouse/ibm offered for the tp560 batteries on sale earlier this summer? I filled out the forms/etc but haven't gotten anything so far. Anyone? Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Sun Oct 3 16:13:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA07989 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:13:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13135; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:11:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12833; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12774; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:11:11 -0400 Received: from TP600 ([209.138.39.5]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06500; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010601bf0ddb$980d9890$45268ad1@TP600> Reply-To: "James Lai" From: "James Lai" To: "Esmail Bonakdarian" , References: <199910032001.PAA09126@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: tp560 battery rebate anyone? Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:12:15 -0700 Organization: US EPA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2918.2701 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 List-Unsubscribe: Yes I did get my rebate last week. ----- Original Message ----- From: Esmail Bonakdarian To: Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 1:01 PM Subject: tp560 battery rebate anyone? > Hiya, > > Just curious, did anyone ever get any money for the rebate > microwarehouse/ibm offered for the tp560 batteries on sale earlier > this summer? > > I filled out the forms/etc but haven't gotten anything so far. > > Anyone? > > Esmail > ---- > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Sun Oct 3 16:13:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA07993 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:13:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13111; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:11:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12791; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12778; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:11:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA85278; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:09:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:09:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Mark Bell cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Good PCMCIA ethernet card In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991003154130.01340cb0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Mark Bell wrote: > For modems, it doesn't make a difference, as it would never even come close > to using all the bandwidth 16-bit (AT) ISA technology has to offer let > alone even > 8-bit (XT) (singular), ISA slots. A 32-bit cardbus modem will not yield better > performance than a 16-bit PC Card device. (A theoretical POTS analog line > connection at 53kbps = .053mbps = .00625MB/sec). Yep, a modem doesn't even use up 5% of the bandwidth of the ISA bus. > In addition, based upon the PC99 spec whipped up by the WINTEL monopoly , > ISA is slated for total removal in the next wave of PCs (Meaning your next > PC will NOT have ISA slots). That alldepends since I think there will still be atleast 1 or two ISA slots since there are some cards that are still ISA now like my Terratec EWS64 Soundcard which is supposed to be high-end. > The 16-bit PC Card spec is based on ISA (AT). > The 32-bit Cardbus spec is based on PCI. > > Mb = megabit > MB = Megabyte > XT = eXtended Technology > AT = Advanced Technology > ISA = Industry Standard Architecture > PCI = Peripheral Component Interface > > Network cards? Ouch time... > > 10mbps = 1.25megabytes/sec (On a clear day with NO traffic elsewhere) > 100mbps = 12.5megabytes/sec " " " " You forgot that there is half duplex and full duplex. > Now, > > 32-bit AGP = 66mhz x 32-bit (4bytes) = theoretical 264megabytes/sec > 32-bit PCI = 33Mhz x 32-bit (4bytes) = theoretical 132megabytes/sec > 16-bit ISA = 8mhz x 16-bit (2bytes) = theoretical 16megabytes/sec > 8-bit ISA = 4.77mhz x 8-bit (1byte) = theoretical 4.77megabytes/sec > > That 16MB/sec is really like 8MB/sec because of a clock cycle used for > addressing. Real world bandwidth would be ~5MB/sec (40mbps) or potentially > even less, but you have to remember this technology was introduced back > when the IBM PC AT 80286 tower of power was out (6+mhz of breathtaking > speed back in 1983!). That is why companies like 3Com warn you with their > ISA based 10/100mbps ISA cards that don't expect transfer rates even close > to 100mbps. ISA solutions are offered for legacy support, and I've seen > my fair share of corporate users with 486 ISA only IBM/ValuePoints flip > OUT when their network connects seem, "so slow..." The bottleneck isn't in the bus but with the speed of Hard drives since no HD can write at 12.5MBytes/sec sustained. 3Com never warned anyone about the 10/100Mbps not giving any speeds better than 10Mbps for the PCMCIA version. > With networking, if you use 10bT only, then 16-bit PC Card technology > is fine (They tried to do away with, "PCMCIA," to replace it with > "PC Card," but I have, "PCMCIA" stuck in my head usually ). But if > you have an eye on the future, and your notebook supports 32-bit Cardbus > technology, go in that direction. Yep, that was why I sent my 3CCFEM556B which is PCMCIA and got a 3CCFEM656B after a year. I actually made $100 from 3Com in doing that since the PCMCIA version costed close to $400 last year and the CardBus version is $229 with rebates. > Personally, I am a fan of USR's modem datapumps since the HST days, and I tend > to stick with 3com/usr/megahertz solutions for my computing needs. I > used a Xircom IIps PCMCIA 10mbps adapter before, and it worked just > fine, but I've always been a USR zealot. For my modem and network > solutions, I stick with Xjack devices. I think the RealPort is a neat > idea, but I need a Type II slot open because I routinely use a 1480 > SCSI Adapter on the go. I'm actually a fan of Telebit more than USR since the PEP days back in 1987 when I was one of the first persons who tested Telebit, USR, Hayes modems before there was even a 9600 standard. Telebit was more robust and 18k compared to HST which was only 9600. That's why even in Austraia when there were regulations that all modems were Telebit. Concord was the one who came out with v32 in 1989 or 90. I agree with you that RealPort is a neat idea except for the size of the thing and also the modem isn't as good as 3Com's. Intel has the best networking cards though but the only problem is that their PCMCIA offerings are based on Xircom's guts and their modems are Xircom's as well. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Sun Oct 3 16:22:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA08043 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:22:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12543; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:06:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12242; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web203.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12227; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web203.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.103 -> web203.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:06:14 -0400 Message-ID: <19991003200624.19675.rocketmail@web203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.215.86.23] by web203.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 03 Oct 1999 13:06:24 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Pencetera Reply-To: mike@pencetera.com Subject: 760L display problem To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Anyone here have an idea why my 760L starts up with a white screen approx. 1/3 of the time? Sometimes it'll fix itself, sometimes I have to cycle the power a few times before it comes back. No real patterns, sometimes it comes back almost immediately, sometimes it'll take 10 minutes of turning the screen on/off and/or turning power on then off. Thanks. ===== http://www.pencetera.com - Your Source For Low Cost, High Quality Fountain Pens __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From cph Sun Oct 3 17:07:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA08224 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:07:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15446; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:05:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15235; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15219; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:05:25 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-119.gate.net [199.227.20.182]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA158608; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:53:54 -0400 Message-ID: <37F7C511.41818EBF@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 17:05:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike@pencetera.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760L display problem References: <19991003200624.19675.rocketmail@web203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: my guess is, in order.. 1. bad plugs, need to take machine apart to reseat these.. perhaps clean with "Morrows Magic Display, Case and Garage Floor" cleaner... :-) 2. bad cable, wiggle top, partially disassemble machine and push here and there, watching for change in display... or, for 1 & 2 above, plug external monitor in and see if it emulates this problem when the display does so... 3. bad video.. if external display does the same thing as the display, then it seems like the video subsystem... Pencetera wrote: > Anyone here have an idea why my 760L starts up with a > white screen approx. 1/3 of the time? Sometimes it'll > fix itself, sometimes I have to cycle the power a few > times before it comes back. No real patterns, > sometimes it comes back almost immediately, sometimes > it'll take 10 minutes of turning the screen on/off > and/or turning power on then off. > > Thanks. > > ===== > http://www.pencetera.com - Your Source For Low Cost, High Quality Fountain Pens > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sun Oct 3 17:11:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA08241 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:11:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15861; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:10:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15746; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15733; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:10:34 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-119.gate.net [199.227.20.182]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA96810; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:59:04 -0400 Message-ID: <37F7C648.614AE9BB@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 17:10:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu CC: Rat Boy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads - or Morrow's dilema References: <19991003145053.15472.qmail@hotmail.com> <37F77A46.E97D4ADD@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: OHHH, KAY..!!! i've been trying to stay OUTTA this.. because, for years, i've been suggesting that the top thinkpads come in 3 colors.. the current flat black (Bankers Heart) a nice deep red (Claret red) and, last but not least, a Midnight Blue (Big Blue)... :-) and, when the new site os going, i think i'll want to offer a special signature series, of the top end thinkpads dressed in a fine glove leather clad case, in any of the above mentioned colors and with gold and enamel IBM ThinkPad logo... this is, of course, if i have any $$ left after doing battle with IBM to retain thinkpads.com.. :-) okok, just kidding on this one.. i hope.. Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > Fashion: new dresses are shown at the beginning > of each season. > > Soon you'll see a glamorous ThinkPad dressed > model on the cover of Vogue Magazine and the > ThinkPads will become media celebrities... Some > users already clad them in wetsuits, watch for > the ThinkPad swimsuit models in future... > > Rat Boy wrote: > > > > >From: Jane Loyless > > >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > >Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads > > >Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:28:16 -0400 > > > > > >At 04:04 PM 9/30/99 -1000, Keith Wong wrote: > > > > > > >--Have you guys heard the news about the snap on colorful > > > >cases for the new i-series 1400 thinkpads? I got the news from > > > >MSNBC. It sounds like everyone is jumping on the iMac look. I dunno > > > >I like the black rubbery looks of the TPs. Whaddayou guys think? > > > > The high quality black is what sets the TP apart. Why mess with a winner? > > > > > > > > > > > >I think that black goes with everything. > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ________________________________________________________ > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sun Oct 3 17:14:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA08258 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:14:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16390; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:13:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16258; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16242; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:13:24 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-119.gate.net [199.227.20.182]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA64436; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:01:38 -0400 Message-ID: <37F7C6E1.B3031C1C@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 17:13:05 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Esmail Bonakdarian CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp560 battery rebate anyone? References: <199910032001.PAA09126@europa.veggie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I did also, and have received nothing.. yet.. BUT, don't give up hope.. i JUST LAST SATURDAY, got the rebate on two thinkpad 770Z's which was sent in at about the same time.. the check is dated 9-sept-99 Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > Hiya, > > Just curious, did anyone ever get any money for the rebate > microwarehouse/ibm offered for the tp560 batteries on sale earlier > this summer? > > I filled out the forms/etc but haven't gotten anything so far. > > Anyone? > > Esmail > ---- > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sun Oct 3 17:19:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA08280 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:19:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16930; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:17:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16743; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16730; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:17:35 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-119.gate.net [199.227.20.182]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA211410; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:06:06 -0400 Message-ID: <37F7C7EE.1B566EF4@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 17:17:34 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Windows 2000 and TP760ED References: <199910022005.NAA05063@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul... wait for the RC-2.. the mwave that you and i can get right now is not, IMO, correct for either w2000 or NT.. Paul Khoury wrote: > I've run into a problem with NT. This might be more of a software issue than > hardware, but anyways - In NT 4 (which I'm running now, and it runs quite well), > however (since I'm using a small hard drive now), I use it to play MP3's in my car > quite a bit, and with the HD being only 1.4GB, I run some apps off my TP750 > (through the network one way or the other). > > Only problem is when I suspend, I lose that connectivity. > > In Windows 2000 however, everything works *except* for sound. It install's it's own > mwave drivers. If I try to install over it, it complains. I've tried using the NT4 drivers > with minimul success (only sound during boot), and Win98 drivers with less success. > > Does anyone have any suggestions, or would I be better off waiting for Win 2K > Release Candidate 2 (which I'll be obtaining from a seminar on Oct. 12)? Or > is this machine not too suitable for Win 2K? > > On a side note, I upgraded to 80MB, and despite Win 2K asking for a P166 minimum, > it runs quite well on my machine otherwise. > > Paul -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sun Oct 3 17:21:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA08288 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:21:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17440; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:20:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17288; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17274; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:20:21 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA09267; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:20:38 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199910032120.QAA09267@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: tp560 battery rebate anyone? To: orialv21@mindspring.com Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:20:38 -0500 (CDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <010601bf0ddb$980d9890$45268ad1@TP600> from "James Lai" at Oct 3, 99 01:12:15 pm Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Cool .. maybe mine is "in the mail" too :-) Cheers, Esmail James Lai writes: > > Yes I did get my rebate last week. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Esmail Bonakdarian > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 1:01 PM > Subject: tp560 battery rebate anyone? > > > > Hiya, > > > > Just curious, did anyone ever get any money for the rebate > > microwarehouse/ibm offered for the tp560 batteries on sale earlier > > this summer? > > > > I filled out the forms/etc but haven't gotten anything so far. > > > > Anyone? > > > > Esmail > > ---- > > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak > ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Sun Oct 3 17:34:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA08351 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:34:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18351; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:33:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18168; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail7.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18155; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail7.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.40 -> mail7.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:33:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 14224 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 1999 21:33:01 -0000 Received: from pppa50-tucson3-1r80.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.221.24) by mail7.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 3 Oct 1999 21:33:01 -0000 Message-ID: <37F7CBBF.F8AED92@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 14:33:51 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu, Rat Boy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads - or Morrow's dilema References: <19991003145053.15472.qmail@hotmail.com> <37F77A46.E97D4ADD@netzero.net> <37F7C648.614AE9BB@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow wrote, finally, about this burning topic: > > OHHH, KAY..!!! > i've been trying to stay OUTTA this.. > because, for years, i've been suggesting that the top thinkpads come in 3 > colors.. > > the current flat black (Bankers Heart) > a nice deep red (Claret red) > and, last but not least, > a Midnight Blue (Big Blue)... :-) > > and, when the new site is going, i think i'll want to offer a special signature > series, of the top end thinkpads dressed in a fine glove leather clad case, in The Bill Morrow series, with the image of a tropical bird on the top, next to Bill's signature. Please put me in the waiting list. > any of the above mentioned colors and with gold and enamel IBM ThinkPad logo... > > this is, of course, if i have any $$ left after doing battle with IBM to retain > thinkpads.com.. :-) > okok, just kidding on this one.. i hope.. > > Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > > Fashion: new dresses are shown at the beginning > > of each season. > > > > Soon you'll see a glamorous ThinkPad dressed > > model on the cover of Vogue Magazine and the > > ThinkPads will become media celebrities... Some > > users already clad them in wetsuits, watch for > > the ThinkPad swimsuit models in future... > > > > Rat Boy wrote: > > > > > > >From: Jane Loyless > > > >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > >Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads > > > >Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:28:16 -0400 > > > > > > > >At 04:04 PM 9/30/99 -1000, Keith Wong wrote: > > > > > > > > >--Have you guys heard the news about the snap on colorful > > > > >cases for the new i-series 1400 thinkpads? I got the news from > > > > >MSNBC. It sounds like everyone is jumping on the iMac look. I dunno > > > > >I like the black rubbery looks of the TPs. Whaddayou guys think? > > > > > > The high quality black is what sets the TP apart. Why mess with a winner? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I think that black goes with everything. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ________________________________________________________ > > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i > just don't care.. :-) ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Sun Oct 3 17:49:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA08424 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:49:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19272; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:48:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19115; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19028; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:46:55 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-146.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.146]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA06948 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991003174628.01341db0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 17:46:28 -0700 To: Thinkpad From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Good PCMCIA ethernet card In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.19991003154130.01340cb0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:09 PM 10/03/1999 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: >On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Mark Bell wrote: > >> For modems, it doesn't make a difference, as it would never even come close >> to using all the bandwidth 16-bit (AT) ISA technology has to offer let >> alone even >> 8-bit (XT) (singular), ISA slots. A 32-bit cardbus modem will not yield better >> performance than a 16-bit PC Card device. (A theoretical POTS analog line >> connection at 53kbps = .053mbps = .00625MB/sec). > > Yep, a modem doesn't even use up 5% of the bandwidth of the ISA >bus. Let alone even requiring the elder XT bus technology. POTS lines have serious limitations, and as fast and as furious as modems have advanced, it is still a drop in the bucket compared to a LAN connection. I routinely go to gaming conventions, and the one thing I love seeing is people who have never played games or transfered files on a LAN before (They literally buy a network card the day before or hope to buy one at the CON). They don't realize how slow their modems are! :) > >> In addition, based upon the PC99 spec whipped up by the WINTEL monopoly , >> ISA is slated for total removal in the next wave of PCs (Meaning your next >> PC will NOT have ISA slots). > > That alldepends since I think there will still be atleast 1 or two >ISA slots since there are some cards that are still ISA now like my >Terratec EWS64 Soundcard which is supposed to be high-end. No, the new spec calls for total abolishment of the ISA slots and only PCI slots from now on. Now, of course, manufacturers can break rank, but this is the first time that Microsoft and Intel have officially banished ISA to the land of dead technologies when drawing up their yearly PC spec. All previous specs included allotments for inclusion of ISA slots. Yep, ISA cards are still produced. My Sportster 128k ISDN Adapter is ISA. >> The 16-bit PC Card spec is based on ISA (AT). >> The 32-bit Cardbus spec is based on PCI. >> >> Mb = megabit >> MB = Megabyte >> XT = eXtended Technology >> AT = Advanced Technology >> ISA = Industry Standard Architecture >> PCI = Peripheral Component Interface >> >> Network cards? Ouch time... >> >> 10mbps = 1.25megabytes/sec (On a clear day with NO traffic elsewhere) >> 100mbps = 12.5megabytes/sec " " " " > > You forgot that there is half duplex and full duplex. On a good day, no traffic, full duplex, even a switch connection if you want (non gigabit). Theoretical, maximum bandwidth so we can ascertain if peak conditions are containable within bus standards. >;P I really was not targeting differentiating conditions of the NIC vs. shared bandwidth, switch connection, or duplex mode. If someone wants a breakdown on network topological design, email me. > >> Now, >> >> 32-bit AGP = 66mhz x 32-bit (4bytes) = theoretical 264megabytes/sec >> 32-bit PCI = 33Mhz x 32-bit (4bytes) = theoretical 132megabytes/sec >> 16-bit ISA = 8mhz x 16-bit (2bytes) = theoretical 16megabytes/sec >> 8-bit ISA = 4.77mhz x 8-bit (1byte) = theoretical 4.77megabytes/sec >> >> That 16MB/sec is really like 8MB/sec because of a clock cycle used for >> addressing. Real world bandwidth would be ~5MB/sec (40mbps) or potentially >> even less, but you have to remember this technology was introduced back >> when the IBM PC AT 80286 tower of power was out (6+mhz of breathtaking >> speed back in 1983!). That is why companies like 3Com warn you with their >> ISA based 10/100mbps ISA cards that don't expect transfer rates even close >> to 100mbps. ISA solutions are offered for legacy support, and I've seen >> my fair share of corporate users with 486 ISA only IBM/ValuePoints flip >> OUT when their network connects seem, "so slow..." > > The bottleneck isn't in the bus but with the speed of Hard drives >since no HD can write at 12.5MBytes/sec sustained. 3Com never warned >anyone about the 10/100Mbps not giving any speeds better than 10Mbps for >the PCMCIA version. Sustained vs. Burst. Burst conditions *are* realized from time to time and the network would feel the pinch during those moments. You can always construct scenarios to utilize full bandwidth (RamDisk comes to mind along with burst, and large cache controllers (SCSI)). On a network I consulted, an Access Database MDB was on the back end (~80megs in size) in a RamDisk for optimal speed for client access. The point is to realize the maximum limits and construct similar, potential loads (load balancing/load min/load max). If we were to network a bunch of PCI machines running 8-bit SCSI HD adapters vs. 512meg RamDisks used for optimized network traffic or controllers with large caches, we could see bandwidth waste vs. full saturation quickly. When I found out they opted to cache their entire MDB in a RamDisk on their server for maximum speed, I was pretty amazed. I thought it was an interesting approach to client/server applications! (They had a UPS just in case along with a software controlled procedure to backup the MDB if power went out :) I always wondered why 3Com never warned users of their PC Card solutions, yet warned them of the 3C515TX series 10/100 ISA adapters. The 16-bit PC Card spec has a theoretical limit of ~7.84MB/sec. >> With networking, if you use 10bT only, then 16-bit PC Card technology >> is fine (They tried to do away with, "PCMCIA," to replace it with >> "PC Card," but I have, "PCMCIA" stuck in my head usually ). But if >> you have an eye on the future, and your notebook supports 32-bit Cardbus >> technology, go in that direction. > > Yep, that was why I sent my 3CCFEM556B which is PCMCIA and got >a 3CCFEM656B after a year. I actually made $100 from 3Com in doing that >since the PCMCIA version costed close to $400 last year and the CardBus >version is $229 with rebates. Hehe. :) That's an interesting way of doing things! I should look into evaluation/trade-up programs more closely. > >> Personally, I am a fan of USR's modem datapumps since the HST days, and I tend >> to stick with 3com/usr/megahertz solutions for my computing needs. I >> used a Xircom IIps PCMCIA 10mbps adapter before, and it worked just >> fine, but I've always been a USR zealot. For my modem and network >> solutions, I stick with Xjack devices. I think the RealPort is a neat >> idea, but I need a Type II slot open because I routinely use a 1480 >> SCSI Adapter on the go. > > I'm actually a fan of Telebit more than USR since the PEP days >back in 1987 when I was one of the first persons who tested Telebit, USR, >Hayes modems before there was even a 9600 standard. Telebit was more >robust and 18k compared to HST which was only 9600. That's why even in >Austraia when there were regulations that all modems were Telebit. >Concord was the one who came out with v32 in 1989 or 90. I agree with you >that RealPort is a neat idea except for the size of the thing and also the >modem isn't as good as 3Com's. Intel has the best networking cards though >but the only problem is that their PCMCIA offerings are based on Xircom's >guts and their modems are Xircom's as well. Only reason I used Telebits and their PEP protocol was to retrieve Usenet/email traffic for a BBS back in 1991-2. Wasn't PEP rated at 19.2k? (Maybe I missed something, but I wasn't the biggest Telebit fan in the world. You're probably way more up on the spec than I....) My traffic carrier didn't offer HST connections for the traffic, and after seeing how LARGE the downloads were, I could completely understand why. I agree with their superiority (Telebit), but all the local BBS's and even the LD ones I called were USR/HST (HST was asymmetrical, ugh). Wow, that's interesting you were one of the first people to test early implementations of their modem products back then. In 1987, I couldn't afford anything close to top of the line. To be able to beta test modems from the big boys (Hayes was huge then, but their Ultra 9600bps proprietary protocol failed badly, IMHO). I relied on my 300bps modem of power for years until I saved for a more powerful USR/HST tower of power. On a BBS level, USR reigned surpreme for years. I couldn't believe how fast that 2400/9600HST "round light" model of modem I had was! I've stuck with USR products ever since then. My last HST dominant connection period was their their 16.8 variant of the protocol. That was their last hurrah. Heck, I use a Courier V.Everything now when I have to do modem communications with my desktop. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Sun Oct 3 18:06:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA08500 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:06:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20143; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:05:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20053; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20039; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:05:26 -0400 Received: from TP600 ([209.138.39.2]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21093; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01c901bf0deb$8d70d180$45268ad1@TP600> Reply-To: "James Lai" From: "James Lai" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Paul Khoury" Cc: "ThinkPad List" References: <199910022005.NAA05063@stevie.loop.com> <37F7C7EE.1B566EF4@icanect.net> Subject: Re: Windows 2000 and TP760ED Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:06:04 -0700 Organization: US EPA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2918.2701 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 List-Unsubscribe: RC2 is already out and happily using it on my TP600. ( PII300, 5.1G, 196MB ram ) If your laptop is not NT certified, there is not guarantee that if will even run W2k. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morrow To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 2:17 PM Subject: Re: Windows 2000 and TP760ED > Paul... > wait for the RC-2.. > the mwave that you and i can get right now is not, IMO, correct for either w2000 or NT.. > > > > Paul Khoury wrote: > > > I've run into a problem with NT. This might be more of a software issue than > > hardware, but anyways - In NT 4 (which I'm running now, and it runs quite well), > > however (since I'm using a small hard drive now), I use it to play MP3's in my car > > quite a bit, and with the HD being only 1.4GB, I run some apps off my TP750 > > (through the network one way or the other). > > > > Only problem is when I suspend, I lose that connectivity. > > > > In Windows 2000 however, everything works *except* for sound. It install's it's own > > mwave drivers. If I try to install over it, it complains. I've tried using the NT4 drivers > > with minimul success (only sound during boot), and Win98 drivers with less success. > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions, or would I be better off waiting for Win 2K > > Release Candidate 2 (which I'll be obtaining from a seminar on Oct. 12)? Or > > is this machine not too suitable for Win 2K? > > > > On a side note, I upgraded to 80MB, and despite Win 2K asking for a P166 minimum, > > it runs quite well on my machine otherwise. > > > > Paul > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. > :-) > > From cph Sun Oct 3 18:42:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA08653 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:42:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21751; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:40:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21598; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21581; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:40:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA85898; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:39:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:39:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Mark Bell cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Good PCMCIA ethernet card In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991003174628.01341db0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Mark Bell wrote: > > Yep, a modem doesn't even use up 5% of the bandwidth of the ISA > >bus. > > Let alone even requiring the elder XT bus technology. POTS lines have > serious limitations, and as fast and as furious as modems have advanced, it is > still a drop in the bucket compared to a LAN connection. I routinely go to > gaming conventions, and the one thing I love seeing is people who have never > played games or transfered files on a LAN before (They literally buy a network > card the day before or hope to buy one at the CON). They don't realize how > slow their modems are! :) Oh well, I just hope PCMCIA modems have decent buffered UARTs. It seems like people today still thinks that modems are rated in Bauds and not Bps since 2400 Baud is the fastest modem available. Even a 56kbps modem is 2400 baud x 24 bits. :) > >> In addition, based upon the PC99 spec whipped up by the WINTEL monopoly > , > >> ISA is slated for total removal in the next wave of PCs (Meaning your next > >> PC will NOT have ISA slots). > > > > That alldepends since I think there will still be atleast 1 or two > >ISA slots since there are some cards that are still ISA now like my > >Terratec EWS64 Soundcard which is supposed to be high-end. > > No, the new spec calls for total abolishment of the ISA slots and only PCI > slots from now on. Now, of course, manufacturers can break rank, but this is > the first time that Microsoft and Intel have officially banished ISA to the > land of dead technologies when drawing up their yearly PC spec. All previous > specs included allotments for inclusion of ISA slots. Yep, ISA cards are > still > produced. My Sportster 128k ISDN Adapter is ISA. I know, what I meant was what will happen to people with ISA cards? Perhaps someone may come out with some kinda converter or a external box. I guess eliminating ISA is a good way to fix the problem of no IRQ's available. > > You forgot that there is half duplex and full duplex. > > On a good day, no traffic, full duplex, even a switch connection if you > want (non gigabit). Theoretical, maximum bandwidth so we can ascertain if > peak conditions are containable within bus standards. >;P I really was > not targeting differentiating conditions of the NIC vs. shared bandwidth, > switch connection, or duplex mode. If someone wants a breakdown on network > topological design, email me. Heh, but I mean Full Duplex does make a difference since even my network at home is congested if it was half duplex. > > The bottleneck isn't in the bus but with the speed of Hard drives > >since no HD can write at 12.5MBytes/sec sustained. 3Com never warned > >anyone about the 10/100Mbps not giving any speeds better than 10Mbps for > >the PCMCIA version. > > Sustained vs. Burst. Burst conditions *are* realized from time to time and > the network would feel the pinch during those moments. You can always > construct scenarios to utilize full bandwidth (RamDisk comes to mind along > with burst, and large cache controllers (SCSI)). On a network I consulted, > an Access Database MDB was on the back end (~80megs in size) in a RamDisk for > optimal speed for client access. The point is to realize the maximum limits > and construct > similar, potential loads (load balancing/load min/load max). If we were > to network a bunch of PCI machines running 8-bit SCSI HD adapters vs. 512meg > RamDisks used for optimized network traffic or controllers with large caches, > we could see bandwidth waste vs. full saturation quickly. When I found out > they > opted to cache their entire MDB in a RamDisk on their server for maximum > speed, I was pretty amazed. I thought it was an interesting approach to > client/server applications! (They had a UPS just in case along with a software > controlled procedure to backup the MDB if power went out :) I think what you say may work except that in a network with high capacity servers, ram disk will get expensive so normally, the bottleneck will be where the HD is. > I always wondered why 3Com never warned users of their PC Card solutions, yet > warned them of the 3C515TX series 10/100 ISA adapters. The 16-bit PC Card > spec has a theoretical limit of ~7.84MB/sec. Maybe because the PC Card solutions were all bought from MegaHertz/USR and not part of their original Etherlink card family? > > Yep, that was why I sent my 3CCFEM556B which is PCMCIA and got > >a 3CCFEM656B after a year. I actually made $100 from 3Com in doing that > >since the PCMCIA version costed close to $400 last year and the CardBus > >version is $229 with rebates. > > Hehe. :) That's an interesting way of doing things! I should look into > evaluation/trade-up programs more closely. It wasn't a trade-up program. I had to use the One Year Satisfaction guarantee on the side of the box on them. > > I'm actually a fan of Telebit more than USR since the PEP days > >back in 1987 when I was one of the first persons who tested Telebit, USR, > >Hayes modems before there was even a 9600 standard. Telebit was more > >robust and 18k compared to HST which was only 9600. That's why even in > >Austraia when there were regulations that all modems were Telebit. > >Concord was the one who came out with v32 in 1989 or 90. I agree with you > >that RealPort is a neat idea except for the size of the thing and also the > >modem isn't as good as 3Com's. Intel has the best networking cards though > >but the only problem is that their PCMCIA offerings are based on Xircom's > >guts and their modems are Xircom's as well. > > Only reason I used Telebits and their PEP protocol was to retrieve > Usenet/email traffic for a BBS back in 1991-2. Wasn't PEP rated at > 19.2k? (Maybe I missed something, but I wasn't the biggest Telebit fan > in the world. You're probably way more up on the spec than I....) My > traffic carrier didn't offer HST connections for the traffic, and > after seeing how LARGE the downloads were, I could completely > understand why. I agree with their superiority (Telebit), but all the > local BBS's and even the LD ones I called were USR/HST (HST was > asymmetrical, ugh). Wow, that's interesting you were one of the first > people to test early implementations of their modem products back > then. In 1987, I couldn't afford anything close to top of the line. To > be able to beta test modems from the big boys (Hayes was huge then, > but their Ultra 9600bps proprietary protocol failed badly, IMHO). I > relied on my 300bps modem of power for years until I saved for a more > powerful USR/HST tower of power. On a BBS level, USR reigned surpreme > for years. I couldn't believe how fast that 2400/9600HST "round light" > model of modem I had was! I've stuck with USR products ever since > then. My last HST dominant connection period was their their 16.8 > variant of the protocol. That was their last hurrah. Heck, I use a > Courier V.Everything now when I have to do modem communications with > my desktop. Telebit was 18k at the start and then I think they went to 23.6k or something with TurboPEP. HST started out as 9600 then 14.4k when v32 was out then the 16.8k HST before 28.8k was out. Then they got out of the HST naming game and went with X2. hehe. The only reason USR was superior in SysOps was because Telebit's SysOp program costs $695 while USR only charged $250. I still have my Telebit TrailBlazer on the bookshelf that I haven't touched for like 10 years. I had a wide footprint USR 14.4k Dual Standard that I traded for the v.small Dual Standard 28.8k v32bis with Fax and then did the X2 upgrade. This is slightly better than the v.everything since the v.everything didn't have daughterboards like mines did. The Telebit seemed to handle any bad line condition without problems. Were you on FidoNet before because your name sounds familiar. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Sun Oct 3 18:45:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA08668 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:45:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22173; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:45:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22013; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21991; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.prserv.net (165.87.194.252 -> out1.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:45:07 -0400 Received: from oscar (slip-32-100-143-180.co.us.prserv.net [32.100.143.180]) by out1.prserv.net (/) with SMTP id WAA06106 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:45:04 GMT Message-ID: <000b01bf0df0$ed9a7ca0$b48f6420@oscar> Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: "ThinkPad List" References: <199910032001.PAA09126@europa.veggie.com> <37F7C6E1.B3031C1C@icanect.net> Subject: Re: tp560 battery rebate anyone? Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:45:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I got my rebate a couple of days ago. ----- Original Message ----- > I did also, and have received nothing.. yet.. > BUT, don't give up hope.. > i JUST LAST SATURDAY, got the rebate on two thinkpad 770Z's which was sent in > at about the same time.. > the check is dated 9-sept-99 From cph Sun Oct 3 19:04:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA08751 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:04:07 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23250; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:02:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23101; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23079; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:02:47 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id TAA26689 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-gvk-vty14.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-gvk-vty14.as.wcom.net [216.192.147.14]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with ESMTP id TAA26622 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:02:13 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <11751.991003@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad-Users Subject: PCMCIA & CardBus Simultaneously? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello ThinkPad-Users, I have a 770ED running Win95 that came with it. I've got all the newer MS operating system versions and could install one, if necessary. (I'll probably be installing Win98SE sometime in late October, anyway.) At one point, I thought I had heard something about problems with running a PCMCIA card and a CardBus card at the same time in the same ThinkPad. Or, maybe it was a problem with running two CardBus cards at the same time in the same ThinkPad. I don't remember. Anyway, I've got an Adaptec 1460A SCSI adapter (PCMCIA) and a Socket I/O Serial Port card (PCMCIA). I would like to run with either of them in the PC at the same time as a CardBus 3Com Modem/Ethernet combo card. Are there any problems with this sort of configuration? Thanks! Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN/fgc28pw+2/9pUJEQLIcgCg0KHly3CBGgwDYW7EZ+23w0thTFEAmwaS qOOHUPcsBbh2YQ/JiG2sKl9y =ARAs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Sun Oct 3 22:12:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA09645 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:12:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00564; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:10:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00390; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00365; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:10:30 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id WAA16553 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id WAA16512; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910040210.WAA16512@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "Bill Morrow" Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 22:09:58 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP600 HDs? List-Unsubscribe: Hello! thinkpads.com lists a 12.7mm hard drive at 10gig and $349. Dell is offering 12.7mm at 18gig (and 17mm at 25gig). Are these 18-gig drives actually available? Would one work in my TP600? How much? Thanks! andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sun Oct 3 22:26:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA09680 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:26:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01418; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:25:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01302; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nsmail.corp.globalstar.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01265; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nsmail.corp.globalstar.com (207.88.248.142 -> gibraltar.globalstar.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:24:04 -0400 Received: from globalstar.com ([207.88.152.118]) by nsmail.corp.globalstar.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAAD56; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:22:46 -0700 Sender: "Paritosh Dixit (Lapi)" Message-ID: <37F80F84.77E00383@globalstar.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 19:23:00 -0700 From: Paritosh Dixit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: TP 600 Experience Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Here's another "good-service" story. Sent my TP 600 through IBM EZ-Serv. They handled it very professionally and it was done and repaired in 2 days and back to me. By the way, the error on it was 8611, which is apparently an error code for the System Board/BIOS. In my case, it was the trackpoint which had failed and as a result the machine would just not boot up right. -Regards, Lapi From cph Sun Oct 3 22:35:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA09723 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:35:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02042; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:34:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01952; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail11.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01939; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail11.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.44 -> mail11.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:34:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 28031 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 1999 02:33:57 -0000 Received: from pppa35-tucson1-5r79.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.221.81) by mail11.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 4 Oct 1999 02:33:57 -0000 Message-ID: <37F81245.D03B6441@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 19:34:46 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless CC: ThinkPad Mailing List , penzance@icanect.net Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads References: <199910030046.RAA20699@stevie.loop.com> <3.0.1.32.19991002213829.00b259f0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: And, indeed, there it was in today's news, precisely the ThinkPad "black updated with a touch or red": From http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/i/AP-France-Fashion.html << Color Kicks Off Paris Fashion Shows PARIS (AP) - Ready-to-wear clothes for spring 2000 flew down the runway in dashes of hot or pastel colors ... at the beginning of a hectic fashion week. ...the little black dress got an update with a red sequined hip belt and high hip slit. >> == ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. 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Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Sun Oct 3 22:56:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA09785 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:56:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03299; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:55:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03173; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03143; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:55:35 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id TAA08800 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991003194847.00b5af00@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 19:53:26 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: tp560 battery rebate anyone? In-Reply-To: <37F7C6E1.B3031C1C@icanect.net> References: <199910032001.PAA09126@europa.veggie.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:13 PM 10/3/1999 , Bill Morrow wrote: >I did also, and have received nothing.. yet.. >BUT, don't give up hope.. >i JUST LAST SATURDAY, got the rebate on two thinkpad 770Z's which was sent in >at about the same time.. >the check is dated 9-sept-99 Only slightly off topic, but I purchased my TP380z in October of 1998. I followed the instructions and registered the machine within 2-3 days with IBM. Yet 11 full months later, I'm *STILL* waiting for my personalized name plate. It's now a race to see if my warranty expires before or after I get the little metal plate with my name on it. ;-) Has ANYBODY ever gotten theirs? -- David Goldman From cph Sun Oct 3 22:59:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA09796 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:59:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03743; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:58:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03577; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03554; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:58:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA86795; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:58:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:58:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: David Goldman cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp560 battery rebate anyone? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991003194847.00b5af00@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, David Goldman wrote: > At 02:13 PM 10/3/1999 , Bill Morrow wrote: > >I did also, and have received nothing.. yet.. > >BUT, don't give up hope.. > >i JUST LAST SATURDAY, got the rebate on two thinkpad 770Z's which was sent in > >at about the same time.. > >the check is dated 9-sept-99 > > Only slightly off topic, but I purchased my TP380z in October of 1998. I followed > the instructions and registered the machine within 2-3 days with IBM. Yet 11 full > months later, I'm *STILL* waiting for my personalized name plate. It's now a race > to see if my warranty expires before or after I get the little metal plate with > my name on it. ;-) > > Has ANYBODY ever gotten theirs? I got mines. IBM Worldwide Online Support said one had to call All Star Engraving to request a new one at 1-800-330-4809. The only problem is there isn't a spot to put it on the 770Z. =( Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Mon Oct 4 00:30:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA10090 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:30:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07808; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:29:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07614; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07601; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:29:02 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-497.gate.net [199.227.173.243]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA40834; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:17:30 -0400 Message-ID: <37F82D0E.83BFD760@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:29:02 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Goldman CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp560 battery rebate anyone? References: <199910032001.PAA09126@europa.veggie.com> <4.2.0.58.19991003194847.00b5af00@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David.. this may be off topic, but this is the place to bitch about it.. :-) the thing is, those name plates come from an engraver in boca raton, i think.. you can call the help line and, if you still have the paperwork, call the engraver.. and yes, i have gotten the name plates when i sent in the card.. and no, it sure should not take 11 months.. :-) David Goldman wrote: > At 02:13 PM 10/3/1999 , Bill Morrow wrote: > >I did also, and have received nothing.. yet.. > >BUT, don't give up hope.. > >i JUST LAST SATURDAY, got the rebate on two thinkpad 770Z's which was sent in > >at about the same time.. > >the check is dated 9-sept-99 > > Only slightly off topic, but I purchased my TP380z in October of 1998. I followed > the instructions and registered the machine within 2-3 days with IBM. Yet 11 full > months later, I'm *STILL* waiting for my personalized name plate. It's now a race > to see if my warranty expires before or after I get the little metal plate with > my name on it. ;-) > > Has ANYBODY ever gotten theirs? > > -- > David Goldman -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Mon Oct 4 00:33:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA10098 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:33:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08071; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:32:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07974; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07960; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:32:21 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-497.gate.net [199.227.173.243]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA16748; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:20:48 -0400 Message-ID: <37F82DD3.5B13C467@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:32:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Lai CC: Paul Khoury , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Windows 2000 and TP760ED References: <199910022005.NAA05063@stevie.loop.com> <37F7C7EE.1B566EF4@icanect.net> <01c901bf0deb$8d70d180$45268ad1@TP600> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: win2000, beta 3, is running fine on my 600.. the only problem is it only 'found' one of the 4 or 5 machines on my LAN and i can't figure out how to tell it to 'see' the other machines.. James Lai wrote: > RC2 is already out and happily using it on my TP600. ( PII300, 5.1G, 196MB > ram ) > > If your laptop is not NT certified, there is not guarantee that if will even > run W2k. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morrow > To: Paul Khoury > Cc: ThinkPad List > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 2:17 PM > Subject: Re: Windows 2000 and TP760ED > > > Paul... > > wait for the RC-2.. > > the mwave that you and i can get right now is not, IMO, correct for either > w2000 or NT.. > > > > > > > > Paul Khoury wrote: > > > > > I've run into a problem with NT. This might be more of a software issue > than > > > hardware, but anyways - In NT 4 (which I'm running now, and it runs > quite well), > > > however (since I'm using a small hard drive now), I use it to play MP3's > in my car > > > quite a bit, and with the HD being only 1.4GB, I run some apps off my > TP750 > > > (through the network one way or the other). > > > > > > Only problem is when I suspend, I lose that connectivity. > > > > > > In Windows 2000 however, everything works *except* for sound. It > install's it's own > > > mwave drivers. If I try to install over it, it complains. I've tried > using the NT4 drivers > > > with minimul success (only sound during boot), and Win98 drivers with > less success. > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions, or would I be better off waiting for > Win 2K > > > Release Candidate 2 (which I'll be obtaining from a seminar on Oct. 12)? > Or > > > is this machine not too suitable for Win 2K? > > > > > > On a side note, I upgraded to 80MB, and despite Win 2K asking for a P166 > minimum, > > > it runs quite well on my machine otherwise. > > > > > > Paul > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. > roadwarriortrading.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills > or i just don't care.. > > :-) > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Mon Oct 4 00:35:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA10105 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:35:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08450; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:35:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08327; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08314; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:34:57 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-497.gate.net [199.227.173.243]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA234010; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:23:22 -0400 Message-ID: <37F82E6E.FC3B74DB@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:34:54 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu CC: Rat Boy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads - or Morrow's dilema References: <19991003145053.15472.qmail@hotmail.com> <37F77A46.E97D4ADD@netzero.net> <37F7C648.614AE9BB@icanect.net> <37F7CBBF.F8AED92@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: JC... the Bill Gates signature series thinkpad will have bullet holes in it..! :-) Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > Bill Morrow wrote, finally, about this burning topic: > > > > OHHH, KAY..!!! > > i've been trying to stay OUTTA this.. > > because, for years, i've been suggesting that the top thinkpads come in 3 > > colors.. > > > > the current flat black (Bankers Heart) > > a nice deep red (Claret red) > > and, last but not least, > > a Midnight Blue (Big Blue)... :-) > > > > and, when the new site is going, i think i'll want to offer a special signature > > series, of the top end thinkpads dressed in a fine glove leather clad case, in > > The Bill Morrow series, with the image of a tropical bird > on the top, next to Bill's signature. Please put me in the > waiting list. > > > any of the above mentioned colors and with gold and enamel IBM ThinkPad logo... > > > > this is, of course, if i have any $$ left after doing battle with IBM to retain > > thinkpads.com.. :-) > > okok, just kidding on this one.. i hope.. > > > > Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > > > > Fashion: new dresses are shown at the beginning > > > of each season. > > > > > > Soon you'll see a glamorous ThinkPad dressed > > > model on the cover of Vogue Magazine and the > > > ThinkPads will become media celebrities... Some > > > users already clad them in wetsuits, watch for > > > the ThinkPad swimsuit models in future... > > > > > > Rat Boy wrote: > > > > > > > > >From: Jane Loyless > > > > >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > >Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads > > > > >Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:28:16 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >At 04:04 PM 9/30/99 -1000, Keith Wong wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >--Have you guys heard the news about the snap on colorful > > > > > >cases for the new i-series 1400 thinkpads? I got the news from > > > > > >MSNBC. It sounds like everyone is jumping on the iMac look. I dunno > > > > > >I like the black rubbery looks of the TPs. Whaddayou guys think? > > > > > > > > The high quality black is what sets the TP apart. Why mess with a winner? > > > > > > > > > > **SNIP** -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Mon Oct 4 00:47:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA10173 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:47:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09406; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:46:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09285; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09230; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:46:18 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-497.gate.net [199.227.173.243]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA37124; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:44:58 -0400 Message-ID: <37F8311A.5098B751@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:46:18 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: TP600 HDs? References: <199910040210.WAA16512@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Andrew.. these do exist and will become available sometime.. soon..?? not sure, but i have some on order and when i get one to test i'll post this info on my site.. also 25gig, 17mm drives for the 770 series.. same as above.. Andrew Webber wrote: > Hello! > > thinkpads.com lists a 12.7mm hard drive at 10gig and $349. > > Dell is offering 12.7mm at 18gig (and 17mm at 25gig). > > Are these 18-gig drives actually available? Would one work in my > TP600? How much? > > Thanks! > > andrew > ------ > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Mon Oct 4 01:16:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA10317 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:15:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10753; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:14:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10482; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10456; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:14:35 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p08.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.23]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA26179; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910040516.WAA26179@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David Goldman" Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 11:10:19 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Good PCMCIA ethernet cards List-Unsubscribe: >I've been using the Xircom 10/100 ethernet + 56K modem card card for almost a year >now on my TP-380Z under both OS/2 Warp 4 and NT-4 (sp3) without a problem. No dongles >to break or lose. No x-jack to break off. A very nice product. > So it does work under OS/2. About how much is the 10/100 & 56K modem on the street? Any places one would recommend? I'm still using a 28.8 version of the Home & Away on my TP750 (which I still use for a file server/app server including 1.2GB of MP3's). And that connector is starting to break off. Does it have Windows 2000 support? I'm hoping I'll be able to make it to an upcoming Microsoft conference to get a copy of Win 2K RC2. Has anyone used this or RC1 with a 760, or any other machine that has MWave support? From cph Mon Oct 4 01:16:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA10321 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:16:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10751; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:14:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10499; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10460; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:14:36 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p08.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.23]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA26183; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910040516.WAA26183@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Vincent Poy" Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 11:11:52 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Good PCMCIA ethernet cards List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 2 Oct 1999 22:31:31 -0700 (PDT), Vincent Poy wrote: >On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Paul Khoury wrote: > > Maybe a 3Com that uses the XJack? It's better to go with CardBUS >since CardBUS is a 32 bit bus while the standard PCMCIA is 16 bit. >Without Cardbus, you'll get 12Mbps max even for a 100BT card. Ahh, so this is why they say a 100 will work better than an ISA version of the same card. I've heard also about power management features and other stuff. Does anyone have a good recomendation for a website more into cardbus, or is there a cardbus.org? From cph Mon Oct 4 01:17:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA10333 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:17:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11171; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:16:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10922; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10905; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:16:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA87138; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:16:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:16:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Paul Khoury cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Good PCMCIA ethernet cards In-Reply-To: <199910040516.WAA26183@stevie.loop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Paul Khoury wrote: > Ahh, so this is why they say a 100 will work better than an ISA version of the > same card. > I've heard also about power management features and other stuff. Does > anyone have a good recomendation for a website more into cardbus, > or is there a cardbus.org? Not sure but I know PCMCIA uses 5V's while CardBUS is only 3.3V. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Mon Oct 4 01:30:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA10367 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:30:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12328; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:29:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12123; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12109; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:29:23 -0400 Received: from TP600 ([209.138.36.218]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA32080; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001901bf0e29$93732c70$da248ad1@TP600> Reply-To: "James Lai" From: "James Lai" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Thinkpad" References: <199910022005.NAA05063@stevie.loop.com> <37F7C7EE.1B566EF4@icanect.net> <01c901bf0deb$8d70d180$45268ad1@TP600> <37F82DD3.5B13C467@icanect.net> Subject: Re: Windows 2000 and TP760ED Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:29:06 -0700 Organization: US EPA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2918.2701 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 List-Unsubscribe: Bill, Did you set the same protocol on all machines? And check with they are all in the same workgroup. These two are the most overlooked problem. If it still doesn't work, try to disconnect the working ones and use the same connection on the ones that work. Hope this helps. -James ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morrow To: James Lai Cc: Paul Khoury ; ThinkPad List Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 9:32 PM Subject: Re: Windows 2000 and TP760ED > win2000, beta 3, is running fine on my 600.. the only problem is it only 'found' > one of the 4 or 5 machines on my LAN and i can't figure out how to tell it to > 'see' the other machines.. > > James Lai wrote: > > > RC2 is already out and happily using it on my TP600. ( PII300, 5.1G, 196MB > > ram ) > > > > If your laptop is not NT certified, there is not guarantee that if will even > > run W2k. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Morrow > > To: Paul Khoury > > Cc: ThinkPad List > > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 2:17 PM > > Subject: Re: Windows 2000 and TP760ED > > > > > Paul... > > > wait for the RC-2.. > > > the mwave that you and i can get right now is not, IMO, correct for either > > w2000 or NT.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul Khoury wrote: > > > > > > > I've run into a problem with NT. This might be more of a software issue > > than > > > > hardware, but anyways - In NT 4 (which I'm running now, and it runs > > quite well), > > > > however (since I'm using a small hard drive now), I use it to play MP3's > > in my car > > > > quite a bit, and with the HD being only 1.4GB, I run some apps off my > > TP750 > > > > (through the network one way or the other). > > > > > > > > Only problem is when I suspend, I lose that connectivity. > > > > > > > > In Windows 2000 however, everything works *except* for sound. It > > install's it's own > > > > mwave drivers. If I try to install over it, it complains. I've tried > > using the NT4 drivers > > > > with minimul success (only sound during boot), and Win98 drivers with > > less success. > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions, or would I be better off waiting for > > Win 2K > > > > Release Candidate 2 (which I'll be obtaining from a seminar on Oct. 12)? > > Or > > > > is this machine not too suitable for Win 2K? > > > > > > > > On a side note, I upgraded to 80MB, and despite Win 2K asking for a P166 > > minimum, > > > > it runs quite well on my machine otherwise. > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > -- > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. > > roadwarriortrading.com > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > > > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills > > or i just don't care.. > > > :-) > > > > > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i > just don't care.. :-) > > From cph Mon Oct 4 05:17:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA11088 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:17:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00716; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:15:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29962; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29861; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:15:32 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id CAA19217 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 02:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991004021038.00b67aa0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 02:13:33 -0700 To: "ThinkPad List" From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Good PCMCIA ethernet cards In-Reply-To: <199910040516.WAA26179@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:10 AM 10/3/1999 , Paul Khoury wrote: > >I've been using the Xircom 10/100 ethernet + 56K modem card card for almost a year > >now on my TP-380Z under both OS/2 Warp 4 and NT-4 (sp3) without a problem. No dongles > >to break or lose. No x-jack to break off. A very nice product. > > >So it does work under OS/2. About how much is the 10/100 & 56K modem on the street? >Any places one would recommend? For price information, I suggest you check www.shopper.com >I'm still using a 28.8 version of the Home & Away on my TP750 (which I still use for a file >server/app server including 1.2GB of MP3's). >And that connector is starting to break off. > >Does it have Windows 2000 support? I'm hoping I'll be able to make it to an upcoming >Microsoft conference to get a copy of Win 2K RC2. Has anyone used this or RC1 with >a 760, or any other machine that has MWave support? A quick check of www.xircom.com indicates that a number of Xircom products have Windows 2000 drivers available directly on the Beta 3 and RC1 CDs from Microsoft. From cph Mon Oct 4 06:18:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA11199 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:18:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA09584; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:17:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA09469; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA09456; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (216.32.181.38 -> law2-f38.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:17:07 -0400 Received: (qmail 54326 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 1999 10:17:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19991004101705.54325.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.15.93.109 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 03:17:04 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.15.93.109] From: "Rat Boy" To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu, pkhoury@loop.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 03:17:04 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: >From: Juan-Carlos Lerman >Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu >To: Paul Khoury >CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" >Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads >Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:24:43 -0700 > >Paul Khoury wrote: > > > > On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 18:14:47 -0700, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > > > >...and the trackpoint cover real gold or diamond! > > > > > A rough diamond trackpoint (sorta like emery boards or sandpaper) would >be nice, > > but then IBM wouldn't make money off all those replacement >trackpoints.... > >Tell me! Last June I bought enough covers to be TrackPoint Y2K >compliant, that is >to have a clean nice one to put it on at the crucial time... > >In fact, Paul is right, an emery board type of surface made of >industrial grade >diamond powder would make an eternal and cleanable cover. If I was an IBM engineer I would be concerned that such a trackpoint would scratch enough screens as to be a problem. > >JC > > >== >________________________________________________________ >NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? >Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at >http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Mon Oct 4 08:18:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA11633 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:18:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14404; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:17:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14217; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14204; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:17:19 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id IAA14039 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (h-182-97.mn.mediaone.net [209.32.182.97]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with ESMTP id IAA13983 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37F89A69.FC99A0A8@csc.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 07:15:37 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads References: <199910030307.UAA28864@stevie.loop.com> <37F6CC7B.72D9CA9E@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > >> A rough diamond trackpoint (sorta like emery boards or sandpaper) would be nice, >> but then IBM wouldn't make money off all those replacement trackpoints.... > > In fact, Paul is right, an emery board type of surface made of > industrial grade > diamond powder would make an eternal and cleanable cover. And probably a raw, bloody stump of a finger after a couple of days of use! ;-) From cph Mon Oct 4 09:43:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA12109 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:43:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19880; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:39:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19587; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19525; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:38:36 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2iveb6q.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.44.218]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA28565 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:38:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: Subject: RE: colorful thinkpads - or Morrow's dilema Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:40:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <37F7CBBF.F8AED92@netzero.net> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I vote for just plain raw titanium. It's virtually indestructable and extremely light. Obviously it would get some some grease spots and other aging indications, but this would add character. -Bill Armstrong From cph Mon Oct 4 09:47:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA12117 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:46:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20342; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:42:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19893; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19861; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:42:05 -0400 Received: from lispworks (lispworks.lavielle.com [194.64.21.80]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA28513; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:41:40 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Andrew Webber" Cc: Subject: RE: TP600 HDs? Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:41:29 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <37F8311A.5098B751@icanect.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Two months ago some of the new IBM mobile harddisks have been send to PC manufactors like Compaq, HP and Dell. See www.ibm.com/harddrive, www.compaq.de, www.hewlett-packard.de, www.dell.de. Here is a link to the specs etc. of the new IBM mobile harddisks: http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/prod/ts25gs18gt12gn.htm However, there wasn't any concrete announcement, when they can be *really* bought by endusers. Greetings Valentino > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@icanect.net] > Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 6:46 AM > To: Andrew Webber > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: TP600 HDs? > > > Andrew.. > these do exist and will become available sometime.. soon..?? not sure, > but i have some on order and when i get one to test i'll post this info > on my site.. > also 25gig, 17mm drives for the 770 series.. same as above.. > > Andrew Webber wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > thinkpads.com lists a 12.7mm hard drive at 10gig and $349. > > > > Dell is offering 12.7mm at 18gig (and 17mm at 25gig). > > > > Are these 18-gig drives actually available? Would one work in my > > TP600? How much? > > > > Thanks! > > > > andrew > > ------ > > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. > roadwarriortrading.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills > or i just don't care.. :-) > > From cph Mon Oct 4 11:25:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12704 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:25:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27960; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:23:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27755; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27734; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:23:36 -0400 Received: from lispworks (lispworks.lavielle.com [194.64.21.80]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA02500; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:23:26 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: "Alex Kirkovsky" , "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: TP570 wallpapers Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:23:15 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF0E8D.24B17350" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <07a501bf0cd1$733dee80$1178fea9@alexkirk> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF0E8D.24B17350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can find these on the IBM site, see: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/mrc/tpperson.html or ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/special/download/ Hope this helps? Greetings Valentino -----Original Message----- From: Alex Kirkovsky [mailto:alex_kirkovsky@invention-machine.com] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 2:27 PM To: Thinkpad Subject: TP570 wallpapers I install Win98SE on my ThinkPad 570, but by some reasons I could not find nice walpapers shipped with my TP570. I tried to find them on original "Recovery CD", but there are some binary files. Nothing readable... :) Could somebody send me them? Thanks in advance!!! Regards, Alex Kirkovsky ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF0E8D.24B17350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You=20 can find these on the IBM site, see:
 
http://www.p= c.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/mrc/tpperson.html
 
or
 
ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/= pub/special/download/
 
 
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Greetings Valentino
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Kirkovsky=20 [mailto:alex_kirkovsky@invention-machine.com]
Sent: = Saturday,=20 October 02, 1999 2:27 PM
To: Thinkpad
Subject: = TP570=20 wallpapers

I install Win98SE on my ThinkPad 570,
but by some reasons I could not find nice walpapers shipped with = my=20 TP570.
I tried to find them on original "Recovery CD", but there are = some binary=20 files.
Nothing readable...
:)
 
Could somebody send me them?
Thanks in advance!!!

Regards,
Alex Kirkovsky
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF0E8D.24B17350-- From cph Mon Oct 4 15:04:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14739 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:04:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13476; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:02:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13302; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13287; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.140 -> ds-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:02:03 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) id PAA23973 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) with SMTP id PAA23904 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910041901.PAA23904@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:01:28 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Netscape question: doesn't go online List-Unsubscribe: I know this isn't strictly a TP question (although I suppose it could be), but I hope you can help me. I uninstalled a few programs this morning and now Netscape doesn't go online. I have cablemodem and Internet Explorer is working fine. I assume one of those "shared files used by no applications" probably was needed by Netscape. :( Since NS v4.7 is now out, I tried installing that. No luck, still nothing happens*. Tried un-installing it through control panel, then installing again. Still no luck. *"nothing happens" = the little "N" icon never animates. "Document: Done" appears. I've tried picking from my bookmark list, typing in a URL, and clicking one of the buttons across the top. Does anyone have a suggestion? I really expected un-installing and re-installing NS would do it, but it didn't. Thanks! andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Mon Oct 4 15:17:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14862 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:17:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14740; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:16:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14614; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14601; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:16:26 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA28820; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:16:10 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002e01bf0e9c$eb464040$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Andrew Webber" , References: <199910041901.PAA23904@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Netscape question: doesn't go online Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:16:09 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > fine. I assume one of those "shared files used by no applications" > probably was needed by Netscape. :( Had this been the case, then the reinstall would have solved the problem. What you've more likely lost is some registry setting related to connection (Netscape's own uninstaller would have left these behind, but a 3rd party uninstaller might be more agressive.) I would carefully recheck all Netscape options. - David R. From cph Mon Oct 4 15:25:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14967 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:25:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15662; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:24:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15404; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15374; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:24:10 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-90.gate.net [207.36.212.90]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA67576; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:12:24 -0400 Message-ID: <37F8FED4.2333EC99@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:24:04 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Lai CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Windows 2000 and TP760ED References: <199910022005.NAA05063@stevie.loop.com> <37F7C7EE.1B566EF4@icanect.net> <01c901bf0deb$8d70d180$45268ad1@TP600> <37F82DD3.5B13C467@icanect.net> <001901bf0e29$93732c70$da248ad1@TP600> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: James.. Thanks.. :-) James Lai wrote: > Bill, > Did you set the same protocol on all machines? > if you mean IPX/SPX and the like, yes.. > And check with they are all in the same workgroup. > you bet.. i learned THIS one long ago.. :-) > > These two are the most overlooked problem. If it still doesn't work, try to > disconnect the working ones and use the same connection on the ones that > work. huh?? i WAS going to try reloading w2000 with all the machines on and seen by each other.. it may be that when i loaded it only one machine was on the LAN.. > > > Hope this helps. > > -James > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morrow > To: James Lai > Cc: Paul Khoury ; ThinkPad List > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 9:32 PM > Subject: Re: Windows 2000 and TP760ED > > > win2000, beta 3, is running fine on my 600.. the only problem is it only > 'found' > > one of the 4 or 5 machines on my LAN and i can't figure out how to tell it > to > > 'see' the other machines.. > > > > James Lai wrote: > > > > > RC2 is already out and happily using it on my TP600. ( PII300, 5.1G, > 196MB > > > ram ) > > > > > > If your laptop is not NT certified, there is not guarantee that if will > even > > > run W2k. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bill Morrow > > > To: Paul Khoury > > > Cc: ThinkPad List > > > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 2:17 PM > > > Subject: Re: Windows 2000 and TP760ED > > > > > > > Paul... > > > > wait for the RC-2.. > > > > the mwave that you and i can get right now is not, IMO, correct for > either > > > w2000 or NT.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul Khoury wrote: > > > > > > > > > I've run into a problem with NT. This might be more of a software > issue > > > than > > > > > hardware, but anyways - In NT 4 (which I'm running now, and it runs > > > quite well), > > > > > however (since I'm using a small hard drive now), I use it to play > MP3's > > > in my car > > > > > quite a bit, and with the HD being only 1.4GB, I run some apps off > my > > > TP750 > > > > > (through the network one way or the other). > > > > > > > > > > Only problem is when I suspend, I lose that connectivity. > > > > > > > > > > In Windows 2000 however, everything works *except* for sound. It > > > install's it's own > > > > > mwave drivers. If I try to install over it, it complains. I've > tried > > > using the NT4 drivers > > > > > with minimul success (only sound during boot), and Win98 drivers > with > > > less success. > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions, or would I be better off waiting > for > > > Win 2K > > > > > Release Candidate 2 (which I'll be obtaining from a seminar on Oct. > 12)? > > > Or > > > > > is this machine not too suitable for Win 2K? > > > > > > > > > > On a side note, I upgraded to 80MB, and despite Win 2K asking for a > P166 > > > minimum, > > > > > it runs quite well on my machine otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. > > > roadwarriortrading.com > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > > > > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > > > > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing > skills > > > or i just don't care.. > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. > roadwarriortrading.com > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills > or i > > just don't care.. :-) > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Mon Oct 4 15:28:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14979 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:28:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16053; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:27:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15911; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15865; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:27:17 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-90.gate.net [207.36.212.90]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA97820; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:15:25 -0400 Message-ID: <37F8FF8A.C2B24180@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:27:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rat Boy CC: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: colorful thinkpads References: <19991004101705.54325.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: hes right.. the 560 had a problem with track point tips abrading the surface of the display.. leaving a small and permanent mark.. try to explain THAT one to ez-serve..! :-) Rat Boy wrote: **SNIP** > If I was an IBM engineer I would be concerned that such a trackpoint would > scratch enough screens as to be a problem. > > > > > >JC > > > > > >== > >________________________________________________________ > >NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > >Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > >http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Mon Oct 4 15:39:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA15041 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:39:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17402; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:39:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17266; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17157; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:38:40 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-90.gate.net [207.36.212.90]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA123606; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:26:55 -0400 Message-ID: <37F9023C.C13B4E84@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:38:36 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Valentino Kyriakides CC: Andrew Webber , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 HDs? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: There never IS.. but time to end user is shortening dramatically..! especially with the announcement of a yet more dense 25 billion bits per sq. inch yesterday.. or is that 36 billion.. i don't have the announcement in front of me, but it boggles my mind..! :-) the 25gig is not yet available to us peons, yet a 40+gig looms on the horizon.. who the H$%# needs 40 or 80 gigs on a thinkpad..??! besides those few of you who keep the entire contents of the library of congress, including photos, on their machine... this all goes back to a time several years ago when i predicted on the compuserve thinkpad forum that soon, we would all be connected with a chip implanted behing your ear, to the net and everything else.. need a fact in a debate, and VIOLA! there it is..! on line, in your head..!! you wife can send you an instruction to "come home now" and VIOLA! there you are, at home..!! :-) Valentino Kyriakides wrote: > Two months ago some of the new IBM mobile harddisks have been send to PC > manufactors like Compaq, HP and Dell. See www.ibm.com/harddrive, > www.compaq.de, www.hewlett-packard.de, www.dell.de. > > Here is a link to the specs etc. of the new IBM mobile harddisks: > > http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/prod/ts25gs18gt12gn.htm > > However, there wasn't any concrete announcement, when they can be *really* > bought by endusers. > > Greetings Valentino > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@icanect.net] > > Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 6:46 AM > > To: Andrew Webber > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: TP600 HDs? > > > > > > Andrew.. > > these do exist and will become available sometime.. soon..?? not sure, > > but i have some on order and when i get one to test i'll post this info > > on my site.. > > also 25gig, 17mm drives for the 770 series.. same as above.. > > > > Andrew Webber wrote: > > > > > Hello! > > > > > > thinkpads.com lists a 12.7mm hard drive at 10gig and $349. > > > > > > Dell is offering 12.7mm at 18gig (and 17mm at 25gig). > > > > > > Are these 18-gig drives actually available? Would one work in my > > > TP600? How much? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > andrew > > > ------ > > > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. > > roadwarriortrading.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills > > or i just don't care.. :-) > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Mon Oct 4 15:48:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA15121 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:48:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18471; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:48:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18289; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18275; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.140 -> ds-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:47:53 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) id PAA11604 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) with SMTP id PAA11542; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910041947.PAA11542@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "Bill Morrow" Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:47:26 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP600 HDs? List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:38:36 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >There never IS.. > >but time to end user is shortening dramatically..! > >especially with the announcement of a yet more dense >25 billion bits per sq. inch yesterday.. or is that >36 billion.. >i don't have the announcement in front of me, but it >boggles my mind..! :-) > >the 25gig is not yet available to us peons, yet a >40+gig looms on the horizon.. who the H$%# needs >40 or 80 gigs on a thinkpad..??! besides those few >of you who keep the entire contents of the library >of congress, including photos, on their machine... Of course it's always been a given that what you can buy will be out of date when you get it, now it seems it's out of date while you're still making the purchase decision. I know whatever I buy will be cheaper in a month, and I probably won't want the first 18-gig Bill gets, since the price premium will be excessive, but even that seems to change. Bill lists the 10-gig for $349; what's the chance the 18-gig will be more than $625? [Rhetorical question] I've got 6+4 now, so a new drive will let me go 10+6. 18 would let me go 18+0 and free up my UltraSlimBay again. Bill, please email me re: getting a 10-gig (or 18-gig :) in California the week of October 18th. Is the 10 still $349? Thanks! andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Mon Oct 4 16:19:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA15409 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:19:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20658; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:18:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20398; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20365; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.3 -> dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:17:52 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA02385; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:17:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199910042017.PAA02385@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga7-44.ix.netcom.com(207.222.235.172) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002344; Mon Oct 4 15:16:31 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Valentino Kyriakides" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 16:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <37F9023C.C13B4E84@icanect.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP600 HDs? List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:38:36 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >who the H$%# needs 40 or 80 gigs on a thinkpad..??! Just wait till you see the size of Win2005... From cph Mon Oct 4 16:30:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA15613 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:30:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21703; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:28:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21495; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21473; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.120 -> pilot020.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:28:36 -0400 Received: from andres (pm451-09.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.67]) by pilot020.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA42890 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:28:31 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991004162834.00ac6c30@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 16:28:34 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: TP600 HDs? In-Reply-To: <199910042017.PAA02385@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> References: <37F9023C.C13B4E84@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I do. If I had 300G on a laptop I could fill it within a month. I have so many different sources of data I sometimes can't keep track of them all. I've never understood how people could live with small storage systems, myself. I've always chafed against these small data restrictions of just about every media I've ever used. Only within the last 4 years or so when disk sizes have gone through the roof have I felt less constricted. So yes, 300G on a laptop could be used... --STeve Andre' andre@msu.edu At 04:17 PM 10/4/1999 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: >On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:38:36 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >>who the H$%# needs 40 or 80 gigs on a thinkpad..??! > >Just wait till you see the size of Win2005... From cph Mon Oct 4 16:42:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA15819 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:42:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23024; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:41:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22852; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22832; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.132 -> dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:40:49 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id QAA22490 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id QAA22435; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910042040.QAA22435@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 16:40:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP600 HDs? List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:38:36 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >who the H$%# needs 40 or 80 gigs on a thinkpad..??! besides >those few of you who keep the entire contents of the library >of congress, including photos, on their machine... Especially on a notebook, I love having everything online. Sure I have to back it up, but once the data's on a CD-R, or Jaz, or connected.com (my current preference), if the choice is the leave the only copy at home, or have it with me, I'll take it with me every time. The same thinking applies to a desktop, since I had juggling handheld media like disk or tape, but at least with a desktop the data can be kept within arm's reach. andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Mon Oct 4 17:11:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA16144 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:11:26 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25725; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:10:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25561; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25514; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.41 -> mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:09:37 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.14.23]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991004210922.DYZZ11091@compaq>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:09:22 +0000 Message-ID: <37F94186.50C6@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 17:08:39 -0700 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Netscape question: doesn't go online References: <199910041901.PAA23904@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Make sure you have "TCP/IP" attached to your dial up adaptor. Andrew Webber wrote: > > I know this isn't strictly a TP question (although I suppose it > could be), but I hope you can help me. > > I uninstalled a few programs this morning and now Netscape doesn't > go online. I have cablemodem and Internet Explorer is working > fine. I assume one of those "shared files used by no applications" > probably was needed by Netscape. :( > > Since NS v4.7 is now out, I tried installing that. No luck, still > nothing happens*. Tried un-installing it through control panel, > then installing again. Still no luck. > > *"nothing happens" = the little "N" icon never animates. > "Document: Done" appears. I've tried picking from my bookmark > list, typing in a URL, and clicking one of the buttons across the > top. > > Does anyone have a suggestion? I really expected un-installing and > re-installing NS would do it, but it didn't. > > Thanks! > > andrew > ------ > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Mon Oct 4 19:55:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA17167 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:55:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05325; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:53:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05147; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05131; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (199.222.42.2 -> malasada.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:53:43 -0400 Received: from lava.net(wiliwili089.lava.net[207.26.193.184]) (1703 bytes) by malasada.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:53:38 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Jun-23) Message-ID: <37F93DCC.584F90CA@lava.net> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 13:52:44 -1000 From: Keith Wong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad list Subject: blue trackpoint covers References: <199910030307.UAA28864@stevie.loop.com> <37F6CC7B.72D9CA9E@netzero.net> <37F89A69.FC99A0A8@csc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: --While we're all talking about alternate colors, does anyone know if there is a place that sells different color trackpoint covers? I saw a blue one at either PORT or Road Warriors website. But I don't know if it was a photoshop job just to get peoples attention. Thanks in advance. Following on the trackpoint suggestions, maybe a different texture would be good like a the one on the 3m mousepads so us sweaty fingered people wouldn't go slipping and sliding while we're pointing. Something with grooves would help. Hmm maybe 3m could come up with something like a hybrid material. Just a thought. --Keith Wong Honolulu, Hawaii Rob Bell wrote: > Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > > >> A rough diamond trackpoint (sorta like emery boards or sandpaper) would be nice, > >> but then IBM wouldn't make money off all those replacement trackpoints.... > > > > In fact, Paul is right, an emery board type of surface made of > > industrial grade > > diamond powder would make an eternal and cleanable cover. > > And probably a raw, bloody stump of a finger after a couple of days of > use! ;-) From cph Mon Oct 4 20:12:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA17232 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:12:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06438; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:10:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06351; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06334; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (199.222.42.2 -> malasada.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:10:35 -0400 Received: from lava.net(wiliwili089.lava.net[207.26.193.184]) (1081 bytes) by malasada.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:10:31 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Jun-23) Message-ID: <37F941B4.DD6698FE@lava.net> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 14:09:24 -1000 From: Keith Wong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad list , TP List Subject: aftermarket battery brands? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: --Can anyone reccommend a good battery company for my 701? Right now I'm looking at two battery manufacturers called FEDCO and Battery Biz. Has anyone used these brands before? Are they any good? Does anyone know of another dependable brand? I'm looking for Nimh batteries. I wish there was a lithium ion battery for my butterfly but I guess there aren't any. While we're thinking of shopping, has anyone seen any 701 adapters for the Dock II for sale? There seems to be very few on sale nowadays. Thanks in advance. --Keith Wong From cph Mon Oct 4 20:26:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA17290 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:26:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07850; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:25:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07719; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucia.u.arizona.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07705; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucia.u.arizona.edu (128.196.137.26 -> lucia.U.Arizona.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:25:11 -0400 Received: (from mcquaid@localhost) by lucia.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA38972 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:25:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:25:09 -0700 From: Mick McQuaid To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: need 1280x1024 resolution Message-ID: <19991004172508.A53454@U.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i List-Unsubscribe: can't seem to find a thinkpad with 1280x1024 resolution + dvd; ibm's website shows 95498AU, but humans reached at ibm say they don't make it anymore; computer discount warehouse says ibm discontinued it on 9/14; other vendors don't seem to have it; does anyone know where i can get one or two? -- Mick McQuaid, mmcquaid@u.arizona.edu 520-621-4074 office / voice mail From cph Mon Oct 4 21:26:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA17651 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:26:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10910; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:22:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10565; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10539; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:22:07 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.173]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991005012204.IQHJ29473@dts-jl> for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:22:04 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991004212103.00b001e0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 21:21:03 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP600 HDs? In-Reply-To: <37F9023C.C13B4E84@icanect.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:38 PM 10/4/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >who the H$%# needs 40 or 80 gigs on a thinkpad..??! besides those few of you >who keep the entire contents of the library of congress, including photos, on >their machine... > MP3 From cph Mon Oct 4 21:27:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA17660 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:27:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11337; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:23:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10794; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10778; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.121 -> pilot021.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:23:35 -0400 Received: from andres (pm452-18.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.124]) by pilot021.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA74908; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:23:29 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991004212346.00ac2650@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 21:23:46 -0400 To: Mick McQuaid , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: need 1280x1024 resolution In-Reply-To: <19991004172508.A53454@U.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Gosh, it sounds like the high-end successor to the 770Z is going to be announced real soon now... I'd wait if I were you, to see what new goodies there are. --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 05:25 PM 10/4/1999 -0700, Mick McQuaid wrote: >can't seem to find a thinkpad with 1280x1024 resolution + dvd; >ibm's website shows 95498AU, but humans reached at ibm say they >don't make it anymore; computer discount warehouse says ibm >discontinued it on 9/14; other vendors don't seem to have it; >does anyone know where i can get one or two? > >-- >Mick McQuaid, mmcquaid@u.arizona.edu > 520-621-4074 office / voice mail From cph Mon Oct 4 22:21:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA18044 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:21:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24679; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:18:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24061; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19921; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.120 -> pilot020.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:57:20 -0400 Received: from andres (pm452-18.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.124]) by pilot020.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA48430 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:57:06 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991004215722.00ac5320@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 21:57:22 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: aftermarket battery brands? In-Reply-To: <37F941B4.DD6698FE@lava.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Keith, I have no experience with ThinkPad batteries, but lots of flight time with batteries in the electronics field, especially radios. There are always a lot of aftermarket places one can go to for things like batteries, but with few exceptions the original manufacturer has always been the best place to get supplies from. I see no reason why the laptop market would be any exception. Good batteries always cost more than marginal ones, and usually have a better warrenty. I'd like to find a cheap source of i Series batteries myself, but I've never seen a place that looked as good as IBMs units are. Batteries are one of those things which are pretty easy to build but not so easy to do really well, at least in my 25 years experience with them. --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 02:09 PM 10/4/1999 -1000, Keith Wong wrote: > >--Can anyone reccommend a good battery company for my 701? Right now >I'm looking at two battery manufacturers called FEDCO and Battery Biz. >Has anyone used these brands before? Are they any good? Does anyone >know of another dependable brand? I'm looking for Nimh batteries. I >wish there was a lithium ion battery for my butterfly but I guess there >aren't any. > >While we're thinking of shopping, has anyone seen any 701 adapters for >the Dock II for sale? There seems to be very few on sale nowadays. > >Thanks in advance. > > --Keith Wong From cph Mon Oct 4 22:21:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA18042 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:21:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24699; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:18:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23803; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16332; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:45:28 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (mg128-183.ricochet.net [204.179.128.183]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA01586 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:45:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000b01bf0ed3$3c372b00$b780b3cc@oemcomputer> From: "mike" To: "thinkpad list" References: <37F941B4.DD6698FE@lava.net> Subject: Re: aftermarket battery brands? Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:44:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Don't buy from battery biz. They are junk! ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Wong To: thinkpad list ; TP List Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 5:09 PM Subject: aftermarket battery brands? > > --Can anyone reccommend a good battery company for my 701? Right now > I'm looking at two battery manufacturers called FEDCO and Battery Biz. > Has anyone used these brands before? Are they any good? Does anyone > know of another dependable brand? I'm looking for Nimh batteries. I > wish there was a lithium ion battery for my butterfly but I guess there > aren't any. > > While we're thinking of shopping, has anyone seen any 701 adapters for > the Dock II for sale? There seems to be very few on sale nowadays. > > Thanks in advance. > > --Keith Wong > > > From cph Mon Oct 4 23:02:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA18345 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:02:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02428; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:00:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01871; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01695; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:59:35 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA01415; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:59:19 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001701bf0edd$9fcae9e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Keith Wong" , "thinkpad list" References: <199910030307.UAA28864@stevie.loop.com> <37F6CC7B.72D9CA9E@netzero.net> <37F89A69.FC99A0A8@csc.com> <37F93DCC.584F90CA@lava.net> Subject: Re: blue trackpoint covers Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:59:21 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > --While we're all talking about alternate colors, does anyone know if there is a place > that sells different color trackpoint covers? I saw a blue one at either PORT or Road > Warriors website. Toshiba trackpoints are usually blue; I don't know if they will fit the Thinkpads (round hole vs. square hole). > Following on the trackpoint suggestions, maybe a different texture would be good like a > the one on the 3m mousepads so us sweaty fingered people wouldn't go slipping and > sliding while we're pointing. You mean other than the standard 'catspaw' surface? I think the rough surface has been standard for at least 4 years. >--Keith Wong -- David R. > Honolulu, Hawaii What he said. From cph Mon Oct 4 23:54:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA18565 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:54:07 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05783; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:52:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05597; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05578; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.49 -> scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:52:23 -0400 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust54.tnt6.lake-charles.la.da.uu.net [63.15.159.54]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06709 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37F975F8.44EC1A9A@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 22:52:24 -0500 From: chester & dee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 701CS Info needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello all Chester from SW Louisiana Have a TP701cs but not sure what I have as I have no documentation. Aquired this on a trade thing. Especiallt need to know what the voltage on the power unit is (Plugs into wall) as none came with it. I have some power units but not sure if they would work. Only info I could find was 16 volts ac at 1000 ma. Dont make much sense? Anybody can point me in the right direction or have any info on powersupply?? If I can get this thing powered up I can find out what is under the hood. Thanks Chester -- "Yesterday is history, Tomorrow is a mystery, And today is a gift ~ That's why they call it the PRESENT." From cph Tue Oct 5 00:47:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA18956 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:47:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09113; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:45:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08796; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.roadrunner.nf.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08783; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.roadrunner.nf.net (192.75.13.117 -> loca.thezone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:45:03 -0400 Received: from wheeler (wiley243h045.roadrunner.nf.net [205.251.243.45]) by mail.roadrunner.nf.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA27582 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 02:15:01 -0230 (NDT) Message-ID: <001b01bf0eec$7ad1be20$2df3fbcd@roadrunner.nf.net> From: "Bill W" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Hi all , new to the list. Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 02:15:40 -0230 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I am new to the laptop world.This is my first laptop.I love it. I live in St Johns , Newfoundland , Canada. I have a IBM Thinkpad 390E. 64 megs ram 4.8 gig HDD 2.5 meg video(NeoMagic MagicMedia 256AV) S-video output infrared in\out put 24X cd-rom Windows 98SE I have one question for other thinkpad owners with the DVD-ROM. I am thinking about buying a dvd-rom upgrade for my thinkpad.What is the quality like ?? AND what is the s-video output to TV like for watching DVD movies?? Thanks for any info on this. BILL From cph Tue Oct 5 01:03:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA19126 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:03:04 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10276; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:01:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10046; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10032; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (195.174.27.3 -> home.egenet.com.tr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:01:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (turgut@localhost) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA02555; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:03:37 +0300 (EET) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:03:36 +0300 (EET) From: Turgut Kalfaoglu To: Bill Morrow cc: Valentino Kyriakides , Andrew Webber , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 HDs? In-Reply-To: <37F9023C.C13B4E84@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > who the H$%# needs 40 or 80 gigs on a thinkpad..??! besides those few of you > who keep the entire contents of the library of congress, including photos, on I believe those people using Microsoft software need all the gigs they can get, as M$ programmers just keep piling libraries on top of each other; embedding them into every application, wheather needed or not. Remember the conversion utility that they wrote, which was estimated to fit in 30K? It was 1.5MB in size; because of all the routines they included that were never called :) -turgut ----- Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Tue Oct 5 01:47:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA19412 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:47:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12056; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:46:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11837; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11821; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:45:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA92334; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:45:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:45:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: David Ross cc: Keith Wong , thinkpad list Subject: Re: blue trackpoint covers In-Reply-To: <001701bf0edd$9fcae9e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, David Ross wrote: > > --While we're all talking about alternate colors, does anyone know if there is a place > > that sells different color trackpoint covers? I saw a blue one at either PORT or Road > > Warriors website. > > Toshiba trackpoints are usually blue; I don't know if they will fit > the Thinkpads (round hole vs. square hole). Toshiba is green and Micron is blue. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Tue Oct 5 01:55:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA19441 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:55:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12779; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:53:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12476; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12463; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:53:29 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p32.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.47]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA18050; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910050555.WAA18050@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Valentino Kyriakides" Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 22:53:26 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Good PCMCIA ethernet cards List-Unsubscribe: >If you are looking only for a Ethernet card, then you may have another free >PCMCIA slot when choosing a 3COM card. IMHO both, Xircom and 3COM are >building good cards, the question here is, which one has the better device >driver and software support for all operating systems (?). > Good support would be a plus. I know 3COM cards are good, since 5 of my now 8 machines are using 3COM cards. It's just I hate the dongles on my 3C589. As for a PCMCIA modem, I don't think I'll have a need yet, since I hardly ever connect remotely. From cph Tue Oct 5 03:11:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA19603 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:11:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18206; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:08:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17051; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16157; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:04:27 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-3.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.3]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA05842 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991005030607.01247520@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 03:06:07 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: need 1280x1024 resolution In-Reply-To: <19991004172508.A53454@U.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:25 PM 10/04/1999 -0700, Mick McQuaid wrote: >can't seem to find a thinkpad with 1280x1024 resolution + dvd; >ibm's website shows 95498AU, but humans reached at ibm say they >don't make it anymore; computer discount warehouse says ibm >discontinued it on 9/14; other vendors don't seem to have it; >does anyone know where i can get one or two? The 95498AU and the 95498BU both have 1280x1024 screens. The only difference is that one has a DVD and Win98, whilst the other has a 24x CD-ROM and WinNT. You can get a DVD drive for the ultrabay for $149.95 from CDW from their, "B Stock." If you can't track the z's down, look for the 770x's. The only difference is a 366mhz vs. 300mhz. Their model #'s are 95497AU and 95497BU. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue Oct 5 04:24:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA19765 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 04:24:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28451; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 04:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 04:23:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28350; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 04:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28332; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 04:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 04:23:31 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA02751; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:23:16 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001f01bf0f0a$e09c6a20$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "Keith Wong" , "thinkpad list" References: Subject: Re: blue trackpoint covers Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:23:15 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > Toshiba is green and Micron is blue. In that case, if Keith wants a blue pointer he should get one for a Micron. They definitely fit the Thinkpads - I have a Micron laptop in my office, wearing a red Thinkpad cover (which is likely why I couldn't remember that it once was blue). - David From cph Tue Oct 5 06:22:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA20104 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:22:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10412; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:21:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10245; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10231; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (199.222.42.2 -> malasada.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:21:26 -0400 Received: from lava.net(honohono005.lava.net[207.26.194.148]) (849 bytes) by malasada.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:21:23 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Jun-23) Message-ID: <37F9D16D.C87BCD34@lava.net> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 00:22:38 -1000 From: Keith Wong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: RE: Good PCMCIA ethernet cards Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: --Because of the rising popularity of Linux, if you ever plan on installing linux on your laptop, then the Linksys is probably your best bet. Otherwise the 3coms are okay. Pcmag just did a test on a whole bunch of PCMCIA cards, and I think the 3com and a few other strange brands came up top. good luck. --Keith Wong Honolulu, Hawaii From cph Tue Oct 5 06:54:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA20370 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:54:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11770; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:53:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11586; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from office.netlinq.nl (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11573; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from office.netlinq.nl (195.108.57.218 -> mx.office.netlinq.nl) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:53:15 -0400 Received: from netlinq.nl ([192.168.0.69]) by office.netlinq.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA23484 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:52:13 +0200 Message-ID: <37F9D8C3.12D6970@netlinq.nl> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 12:53:55 +0200 From: Jeroen Elfferich Reply-To: jeroen@netlinq.nl Organization: http://www.netlinq.nl/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: [770X] Laptop, USB Webcam and power? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I have an 770X with Windows 98 as OS. I want to use a LG USB Webcam type LPC U20 for videoconferencing. I've used this cam on a Win 95 OSR2 desktop succesfully before, but I can't get it to work with my Thinkpad. My HP USB scanner does work with my laptop, but it uses an external power supply, whereas the webcam draws its power from the USB port. Could my problem be caused by a lack of power flowing from the laptop to the USB webcam? Has anyone else got a similar setup to work? Regards, Jeroen From cph Tue Oct 5 07:14:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA20414 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:14:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12868; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:13:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12715; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12696; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.41 -> mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:13:50 -0400 Received: from 205.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.149.205]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991005111347.SEIV11091@205.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:13:47 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701CS Info needed Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 11:14:03 GMT Message-ID: <37f9dcfb.441553@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <37F975F8.44EC1A9A@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <37F975F8.44EC1A9A@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You can download the pdf file called twbook.pdf from IBM, which provides basic specs on all IBM Thinkpads not currently made. As for a power supply, you can pick up the Targus portable power supply at just about any place that sells computers - it works with the IBM 701. epbrown On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 22:52:24 -0500, chester & dee wrote: >Hello all >Chester from SW Louisiana >Have a TP701cs but not sure what I have as I have no documentation. >Aquired this on a trade thing. >Especiallt need to know what the voltage on the power unit is (Plugs >into wall) as none came with it. I have some power units but not sure if >they would work. Only info I could find was 16 volts ac at 1000 ma. Dont >make much sense? >Anybody can point me in the right direction or have any info on >powersupply?? >If I can get this thing powered up I can find out what is under the >hood. >Thanks >Chester Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 eFax phone # - 801-328-3789 From cph Tue Oct 5 08:49:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA20639 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:49:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17436; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:48:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17272; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17239; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (206.146.7.2 -> rattler.gtfc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:47:59 -0400 Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (root@localhost) by rattler.gtfc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28228; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:47:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from csc.com ([10.1.11.49]) by rattler.gtfc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28224; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:47:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37F9F317.4FD15CF8@csc.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 07:46:15 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chester & dee CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701CS Info needed References: <37F975F8.44EC1A9A@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Look on the machine (probably on the bottom) for the machine's 'Type' number. It should be something like 2630-US2. Then go to the IBM support site (http://www.pc.ibm.com/support) and you'll be able to enter that number and get a description. You can also look for a document on the IBM site called the Thinkpad Withdrawn Book (tpwbook.pdf) that has full descriptions of all older Thinkpads. HTH, Rob chester & dee wrote: > > Hello all > Chester from SW Louisiana > Have a TP701cs but not sure what I have as I have no documentation. > Aquired this on a trade thing. > Especiallt need to know what the voltage on the power unit is (Plugs > into wall) as none came with it. I have some power units but not sure if > they would work. Only info I could find was 16 volts ac at 1000 ma. Dont > make much sense? > Anybody can point me in the right direction or have any info on > powersupply?? > If I can get this thing powered up I can find out what is under the > hood. > Thanks > Chester > From cph Tue Oct 5 10:29:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA21198 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:29:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26430; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:27:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26275; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26236; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (208.244.215.3 -> dns1.actionwebs.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:27:44 -0400 Received: from hades ([208.244.215.242]) by ares.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16365 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: Subject: TP 600E Setup Stories Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:26:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bf0f46$0155f0c0$7700a8c0@hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id KAA26430 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA21199 Well, I've been working for 2 days to get my boss's TP 600E ready to replace his Micron laptop. In the mean time, I've learned a couple of things that may be useful for those of you considering this box running NT 4.0 SP4. 1. The 3-Com 10/100 Cardbus PCMCIA card doesn't work with the Cardwizard software according to IBM tech support. The wizard knows a card is installed, but keeps waiting for something that never happens. Working with Tech Support, I uninstalled PC-CardWizard, then uninstalled all the 3-Com software, then reinstalled SP4. Then I reinstalled the PC card from the My Computer\Control Panel\Network Icon. After the reboot, the NIC came alive, but I got an error message “Cannot find comsmd.exe”. It was a reference to the 3-Com card’s autostartup diag program that was left in the registry (not on the HD), so I deleted it. The wierd thing about this setup is that when I click PC Card in the Control Panel it says "No PCMCIA controller found". I had already tried all the steps above before I called tech support, but couldn't believe this was a possible solution since I probably won't be able to use any other cards. Temporarily disabling the card wizard never helped. 2. I needed to install the Palm pilot cradle and software. According to the tech docs on the TP, my only solution was to disable the modem on COM1 to use the serial port on the back as COM2 and vise versa, since COM1 was using the 2F8/IRQ3 resources normally allocated to COM2. So I reset COM1 it to 3F8 IRQ4 per normal DOS spec in the ports section of the Control Panel, and then entered the same values in the modem section of the TP configuration program. Reboot. Then I went into Control Panel\Ports again and added a COM2 2F8 IRQ3, again per the old DOS spec. Rebooted again. Then I went to serial in the TP configuration program and enabled COM2. At this point, both serial ports work fine: modem on COM1, COM2 in the back. However, the event viewer reports 4 separate Serial errors before it finishes a boot: 2 complaints about overriding firmware (where do you change this???), and 2 red stop signs informing me I'm overlapping COM1 and COM2 control registers (everything in the registry looks ok). I really don't expect a response unless you know an outstandingly simple solution to this convoluted mess. Just thought I'd share the result of several hours of messing with the box. Mark From cph Tue Oct 5 11:09:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA21579 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:09:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29753; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:08:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29534; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29508; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:08:02 -0400 Received: from intellistation (vkyr-home.lav.de [194.64.62.36]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA17801; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:07:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Andrew Webber" , Subject: RE: TP600 HDs? Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:07:02 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37F9023C.C13B4E84@icanect.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Well, I for myself don't need 40 or 80 gigs on my thinkpad (this would obviously quickly power down my 770 battery...). I can till do my developing and programming still on 5-8 GB disks, which till now offer enough space for me. However, I knew some people who have a demand for these and would shure like to have one. For example in the company where I work, another chief programmer uses a G3 Powerbook with the 14 GB IBM harddisk. He's doing and holding everything with and on his Powerbook, as some big MCL CommonLisp systems with a whole CL-HTTP webserver (the one the white house uses...) and other CL related stuff, a bunch of big mailarchives (really every email is archived and when I can't find relevant ones in my mailboxes I always ask him to forward me those...), a lot of internet, IP and log programs we developed, archives of MAC related software etc. etc. He would probably like to have an even bigger harddisk. A friend of mine, is a Linux-Guru and develops internet terminals (those which you can find on airports, banks, MCDonalds etc. see http://www.cut.de), he too *lives* in his notebook, doing all the Linux development for the Linux based internet terminals on an older robust Toshiba Tecra. This guy now is looking for a new powerfull Notebook, maybe a new Toshiba Tecra 8000 or IBM TP 600. I told him to get a TP 770z, since he would like to have the higher IBM resolution under Linux, but on the other end he don't has a driving license and so must carry his notebook everywhere and there the TP 600 (since its more compact) plays an important role. This friend prefers Trackpoints, good and robust keyboards (he complains that IBM should have been transposed the FN and Ctrl keys, since on most notebook keyboards the Ctrl key is on the outer left and under Unix (Linux) you use this a lot). He also needs the biggest harddisks available, so he can hold different development versions for his internet terminals and all the compilers, libraries and tools etc. he needs for development. So believe it or not, there are a lot of people around, which do need these big harddisk capabilities for serious work and development. - And whats about those NT Netfinity and Linux admins, they could hold the complete server on a TP (the TP would then be sort of a portable Netfinity or Linux server) ;-). Greetings Valentino > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@icanect.net] > Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 9:39 PM > To: Valentino Kyriakides > Cc: Andrew Webber; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: TP600 HDs? > > > There never IS.. > > but time to end user is shortening dramatically..! > > especially with the announcement of a yet more dense 25 billion > bits per sq. > inch yesterday.. or is that 36 billion.. > i don't have the announcement in front of me, but it boggles my > mind..! :-) > > the 25gig is not yet available to us peons, yet a 40+gig looms on the > horizon.. > who the H$%# needs 40 or 80 gigs on a thinkpad..??! besides those > few of you > who keep the entire contents of the library of congress, > including photos, on > their machine... > > this all goes back to a time several years ago when i predicted on the > compuserve thinkpad forum that soon, we would all be connected with a chip > implanted behing your ear, to the net and everything else.. > > need a fact in a debate, and VIOLA! there it is..! on line, in > your head..!! > you wife can send you an instruction to "come home now" and > VIOLA! there you > are, at home..!! :-) > ... From cph Tue Oct 5 11:40:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA21834 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:40:13 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02150; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:38:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01939; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01909; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:38:28 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-27.gate.net [207.36.212.27]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA142334; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:37:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37FA1B6F.C5BD5B50@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 11:38:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chester & dee CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701CS Info needed References: <37F975F8.44EC1A9A@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: do NOT plug AC into the 701.. it'll kill it for sure.. most ANY round plug IBM AC adapter will power the 701.. there are used ones all over.. look for one from: 701 (obviously), 365, 560, 770, 600 and, most likely 380 series and the 390 series as well as the "i" series (1451 et al) this is NOT intended as a commercial, but i have a few original 701 type AC adapters.. they are used.. best for those who want to keep as original a 701 as possible since these are now industrial art and thus something of a collectors item.. chester & dee wrote: > Hello all > Chester from SW Louisiana > Have a TP701cs but not sure what I have as I have no documentation. > Aquired this on a trade thing. > Especiallt need to know what the voltage on the power unit is (Plugs > into wall) as none came with it. I have some power units but not sure if > they would work. Only info I could find was 16 volts ac at 1000 ma. Dont > make much sense? > Anybody can point me in the right direction or have any info on > powersupply?? > If I can get this thing powered up I can find out what is under the > hood. > Thanks > Chester > > -- > "Yesterday is history, > Tomorrow is a mystery, > And today is a gift ~ > That's why they call it the PRESENT." -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Tue Oct 5 12:18:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA22160 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:18:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05393; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:17:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02903; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02622; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:43:55 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-27.gate.net [207.36.212.27]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA48922; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:42:12 -0400 Message-ID: <37FA1CA6.73BB22E@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 11:43:34 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Valentino Kyriakides CC: Andrew Webber , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 HDs? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: excellent points.. one flaw though is the power draw would not be much different than now.. for one or two HDD's in the machine.. my 770Z gets 3.5 plus hours running portable.. and i mean running with display on and HDD and two PCMCIA cards (one GPS and one NIC) Valentino Kyriakides wrote: > Well, I for myself don't need 40 or 80 gigs on my thinkpad (this would > obviously quickly power down my 770 battery...). I can till do my developing > and programming still on 5-8 GB disks, which till now offer enough space for > me. However, I knew some people who have a demand for these and would shure > like to have one. **SNIP** **SNIP** -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Tue Oct 5 12:20:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA22185 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:20:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05708; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:18:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02961; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02778; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:45:46 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-27.gate.net [207.36.212.27]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA89576; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:44:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37FA1D14.BDD2F627@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 11:45:24 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Keith Wong CC: thinkpad list Subject: Re: blue trackpoint covers References: <199910030307.UAA28864@stevie.loop.com> <37F6CC7B.72D9CA9E@netzero.net> <37F89A69.FC99A0A8@csc.com> <37F93DCC.584F90CA@lava.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: How about GLUE for the trackpoint tip..?? :-) Keith Wong wrote: > --While we're all talking about alternate colors, does anyone know if there is a place > that sells different color trackpoint covers? I saw a blue one at either PORT or Road > Warriors website. But I don't know if it was a photoshop job just to get peoples > attention. Thanks in advance. > > Following on the trackpoint suggestions, maybe a different texture would be good like a > the one on the 3m mousepads so us sweaty fingered people wouldn't go slipping and > sliding while we're pointing. Something with grooves would help. Hmm maybe 3m could > come up with something like a hybrid material. Just a thought. > > --Keith Wong > Honolulu, Hawaii > > Rob Bell wrote: > > > Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > > > > >> A rough diamond trackpoint (sorta like emery boards or sandpaper) would be nice, > > >> but then IBM wouldn't make money off all those replacement trackpoints.... > > > > > > In fact, Paul is right, an emery board type of surface made of > > > industrial grade > > > diamond powder would make an eternal and cleanable cover. > > > > And probably a raw, bloody stump of a finger after a couple of days of > > use! ;-) -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Tue Oct 5 13:01:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA22552 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:01:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09430; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:59:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09203; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail7.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09188; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail7.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.40 -> mail7.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:59:10 -0400 Received: (qmail 12425 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 1999 16:59:03 -0000 Received: from pppa70-tucson7-1r345.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.231.252) by mail7.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 5 Oct 1999 16:59:03 -0000 Message-ID: <37FA2E73.B2043B1C@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:59:31 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: blue trackpoint covers References: <199910030307.UAA28864@stevie.loop.com> <37F6CC7B.72D9CA9E@netzero.net> <37F89A69.FC99A0A8@csc.com> <37F93DCC.584F90CA@lava.net> <37FA1D14.BDD2F627@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You got me to comment, Bill, to several suggestions and past objections by you and everybody else. 1. Glue? Do you mean fresh glue each time? So your finger would stick to the trackpoint? Not a bad idea. Don't use Super Glue (tm) or you might need to leave your finger inside the machine when you close its cover. 2. If the standard cover material did scratch the screens of some models, it was due to deficient design, thus irrelevant of surface cover material, be it cat-tongue or abrasive sand/diamond-powder/metal. 3. I thought of gluing a piece of sandpaper to the top of worn out covers, thin enough as not to reach the screen. I didn't yet. I wouldn't like to get loose sand particles inside the keyboard. 4. My index finger is beginning to show the "occupationally caused finger dimple shown by users of certain laptops" which is documented in the "International Journal of Computer Related Finger Pathologies" on the shelves of all good Tongue-in-Cheek libraries. 5. Come to think, Bill, we could market, for Halloween, ThinkPads (IBM(tm)(c)) with a hollow silicone-rubber shell of a finger glued to the trackpoint. The user would stick her/his/its finger into the hollow shell! As a bonus, she/he/it would not need to buy any more trackpoint caps. It would be a bargain! And it would prevent the index dimple. Let's market it as the "Halloween Digit" and use the profits to fund the annual convention of the TP list, in Florida, with a cruise in the "thinkpads.com boat." Such trackpoint finger would be ghostly phosphorescent, an added bonus to those who type in the dark. 6. There are rumors that the Treasury Department is considering, sometime in the next millennium, to adopt trackpoint covers as legal tender. JC Bill Morrow wrote: > > How about GLUE for the trackpoint tip..?? :-) > > Keith Wong wrote: > > > --While we're all talking about alternate colors, does anyone know if there is a place > > that sells different color trackpoint covers? I saw a blue one at either PORT or Road > > Warriors website. But I don't know if it was a photoshop job just to get peoples > > attention. Thanks in advance. > > > > Following on the trackpoint suggestions, maybe a different texture would be good like a > > the one on the 3m mousepads so us sweaty fingered people wouldn't go slipping and > > sliding while we're pointing. Something with grooves would help. Hmm maybe 3m could > > come up with something like a hybrid material. Just a thought. > > > > --Keith Wong > > Honolulu, Hawaii > > > > Rob Bell wrote: > > > > > Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > > > > > > >> A rough diamond trackpoint (sorta like emery boards or sandpaper) would be nice, > > > >> but then IBM wouldn't make money off all those replacement trackpoints.... > > > > > > > > In fact, Paul is right, an emery board type of surface made of > > > > industrial grade > > > > diamond powder would make an eternal and cleanable cover. > > > > > > And probably a raw, bloody stump of a finger after a couple of days of > > > use! ;-) > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't > care.. :-) __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Tue Oct 5 13:47:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA22855 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:46:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12936; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:45:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12779; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamgaad.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12617; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamgaad.compuserve.com (149.174.217.147 -> as-img-4.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:44:37 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaad.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id NAA26394 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:43:21 -0400 From: "James V. Bohen" Subject: 755CV and RAM card Sender: "James V. Bohen" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Message-ID: <199910051344_MC2-87B8-4079@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA22856 I'm trying to install a 16MB "credit card" memory card into a 755CV, which has 8MB onboard. The card is a Kingston KTM-750/16. Halfway through booting Windows I get a blue screen message: Memory parity error detected; system halted. It was suggested to me to disable parity checking by going into setup, clicking memory, then disable parity checking. In that case I get these messages: "himem.sys has detected unreliable xms memory at address 00c20000. xms driver not installed. to continue starting your computer, press enter" Next comes: "himem.sys is missing make sure that the file is in your windows directory" Then: "Windows has stopped. Press ctrl alt delete to restart your computer." Then: "While initializing device VREDIR: windows protection error. you need to restart your computer." Removed Kingston card, rebooted, everything back to normal. Any ideas? Jim Bohen From cph Tue Oct 5 14:25:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA23138 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:25:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16373; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:24:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16186; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15833; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:21:39 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-109.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.109]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA29792 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991005142306.01247100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 14:23:06 -0700 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: 755CV and RAM card In-Reply-To: <199910051344_MC2-87B8-4079@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:43 PM 10/05/1999 -0400, James V. Bohen wrote: >I'm trying to install a 16MB "credit card" memory card into a 755CV, which >has 8MB onboard. The card is a Kingston KTM-750/16. Halfway through >booting Windows I get a blue screen message: Memory parity error detected; >system halted. > >It was suggested to me to disable parity checking by going into setup, >clicking memory, then disable parity checking. In that case I get these >messages: > >"himem.sys has detected unreliable xms memory at address 00c20000. xms >driver not installed. >to continue starting your computer, press enter" > >Next comes: > >"himem.sys is missing >make sure that the file is in your windows directory" > >Then: > >"Windows has stopped. Press ctrl alt delete to restart your computer." > >Then: > >"While initializing device VREDIR: >windows protection error. you need to restart your computer." > >Removed Kingston card, rebooted, everything back to normal. > Is the card new or used? Did you have a pre-existing card in the expansion port under the floppy before? I ask, because I've seen the contacts go/become dirty on 755 units more often than I've seen memory cards fail (And I've seen these fail! ). If you have a strong, small vacum cleaner, I would suggest giving the slot a good cleaning followed by compressed air. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue Oct 5 14:51:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA23319 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:51:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18597; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:50:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18455; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18416; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:50:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA95163; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:49:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:49:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: David Ross cc: Keith Wong , thinkpad list Subject: Re: blue trackpoint covers In-Reply-To: <001f01bf0f0a$e09c6a20$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, David Ross wrote: > > Toshiba is green and Micron is blue. > > In that case, if Keith wants a blue pointer he should get one for a > Micron. They definitely fit the Thinkpads - I have a Micron laptop in > my office, wearing a red Thinkpad cover (which is likely why I > couldn't remember that it once was blue). Is that the Micron Transport that you have? I know this is off-topic but is the Micron machine anywhere as good as the 770Z's? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Tue Oct 5 14:58:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA23422 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:58:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19294; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:56:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19187; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19162; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (128.118.141.31 -> f04s01.cac.psu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:55:55 -0400 Received: from CACPPP (nb7ppp34.cac.psu.edu [146.186.16.34]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA109300 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:55:51 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19991005145356.006ec278@mail.bucknell.edu> X-Sender: findeis@mail.bucknell.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 14:53:59 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Findeis Subject: NiMH batteries for 701---XtendMicro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I picked up a pair of new NiMH batteries from XtendMicro(the manufacturer) at a Dutch auction on Amazon.com in the spring of '99. I think will were about $35.00 a piece by the time you included shipping. XtendMicro has now moved from the wasteland of auctions at Amazon.com(from the seller's viewpoint) to selling on eBay, BUT usually only towards the end of a financial quarter. Only downside has been they can be exceedingly slow to the point of madness (I'm still waiting in October for a 701 DC car adapter >from an eBay Dutch auction at the end of June). On the positive side for Xtend, I picked up some 701 battery charger/conditioners from Xtend. Charger/conditioner are definitely nice -- dual sockets, ability to condition the battery by just pressing a button, and with two batteries ---there's always one full of juice :o) >Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 14:09:24 -1000 >From: Keith Wong >--Can anyone reccommend a good battery company for my 701? Right now >I'm looking at two battery manufacturers called FEDCO and Battery Biz. >Has anyone used these brands before? Are they any good? Does anyone >know of another dependable brand? I'm looking for Nimh batteries. I >wish there was a lithium ion battery for my butterfly but I guess there >aren't any. > >While we're thinking of shopping, has anyone seen any 701 adapters for >the Dock II for sale? There seems to be very few on sale nowadays. > >Thanks in advance. > > --Keith Wong > From cph Tue Oct 5 15:21:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA23619 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:21:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21993; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:19:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21770; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21740; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:19:48 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA04907; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:19:16 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002f01bf0f66$84c447c0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "Keith Wong" , "thinkpad list" References: Subject: Re: blue trackpoint covers Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:19:14 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > Is that the Micron Transport that you have? I know this is > off-topic but is the Micron machine anywhere as good as the 770Z's? This is a pretty ancient laptop (Millenium Transport P133), so the comparison is not apt, but it was fastest in class when I bought it and it has served me well as a research luggable (we run simulations on it, it used to float between 3 people but now pretty much stays on my desk). It is several years old now, and has been working flawlessly 24/7 during most of that period, which is a good recommendation. Alas, the CD no longer works. (Of course, unlike IBM Micron doesn't continue to update system files on older machines - a little like Gravis w/r to the Ultrasound in that regard!) The dual pointer device was really useful for a shared machine - I like the trackpoint (natch), the others preferred the touchpad. - David From cph Tue Oct 5 15:28:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA23687 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:28:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23224; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:25:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22700; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22654; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:24:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA95310; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:24:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:24:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: David Ross cc: Keith Wong , thinkpad list Subject: Re: blue trackpoint covers In-Reply-To: <002f01bf0f66$84c447c0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, David Ross wrote: > > Is that the Micron Transport that you have? I know this is > > off-topic but is the Micron machine anywhere as good as the 770Z's? > > This is a pretty ancient laptop (Millenium Transport P133), so the comparison is not apt, but it was fastest in class when I bought > it and it has served me well as a research luggable (we run simulations on it, it used to float between 3 people but now pretty much > stays on my desk). It is several years old now, and has been working flawlessly 24/7 during most of that period, which is a good > recommendation. Alas, the CD no longer works. (Of course, unlike IBM Micron doesn't continue to update system files on older > machines - a little like Gravis w/r to the Ultrasound in that regard!) I thought you had one of the new Pentium II 366 models. The Gravis is a different story. Gravis went under and Kensington bought the company and decided not to make soundcards. > The dual pointer device was really useful for a shared machine - I > like the trackpoint (natch), the others preferred the touchpad. Atleast you can use one when you hate the other. It's like the equal choice machine. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Tue Oct 5 15:28:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA23691 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:28:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23308; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:25:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22748; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22681; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:25:03 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA19267; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:24:46 -0700 Message-ID: <00f201bf0f68$8821dfc0$03785a8e@pmachule> From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Peter Findeis" Cc: References: <3.0.32.19991005145356.006ec278@mail.bucknell.edu> Subject: Re: NiMH batteries for 701---XtendMicro Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:33:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I think I did the same thing you did ;-} Do any of yours work ?? Not one of the three that I got will take a charge . Haven't phoned them yet . ..peter... ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Findeis To: Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 11:53 AM Subject: NiMH batteries for 701---XtendMicro > I picked up a pair of new NiMH batteries from XtendMicro(the manufacturer) > at a Dutch auction on Amazon.com in the spring of '99. I think will were > about $35.00 a piece by the time you included shipping. XtendMicro has now > moved from the wasteland of auctions at Amazon.com(from the seller's > viewpoint) to selling on eBay, From cph Tue Oct 5 15:37:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA23774 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:37:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24527; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:34:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24188; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24169; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (128.95.79.74 -> brimstone.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:34:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (kress@localhost) by brimstone.geology.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01479; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:36:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: brimstone.geology.washington.edu: kress owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:36:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Victor Kress X-Sender: kress@brimstone.geology.washington.edu To: Keith Wong cc: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: RE: Good PCMCIA ethernet cards In-Reply-To: <37F9D16D.C87BCD34@lava.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Just a note of clarification, in my experience, 3com cards are well supported under linux. They are listed in the group of companies that actively cooperated with the PCMCIA development team. ________________________________ On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Keith Wong wrote: > > --Because of the rising popularity of Linux, if you ever plan on > installing linux on your laptop, then the Linksys is probably your best > bet. Otherwise the 3coms are okay. Pcmag just did a test on a whole > bunch of PCMCIA cards, and I think the 3com and a few other strange > brands came up top. good luck. > > --Keith Wong > Honolulu, Hawaii > > From cph Tue Oct 5 16:23:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA24139 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:23:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28831; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:21:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28581; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28445; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (128.118.141.35 -> f04s07.cac.psu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:21:06 -0400 Received: from CACPPP (nb6ppp223.cac.psu.edu [146.186.17.223]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA69728; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:20:55 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19991005161901.00747838@mail.bucknell.edu> X-Sender: findeis@mail.bucknell.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 16:19:03 -0400 To: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" From: Peter Findeis Subject: Re: NiMH batteries for 701---XtendMicro Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: My answer is a bit long because of the problem with my 701. I picked up my 701c as a unit with a bad display (only, I thought) which was fixed with a "new" inverter card. Unfortunately (for me) it turns out that my 701c also won't charge a battery. Which is why I was initially so excited about the Xtend battery charger Dutch auction. It is a pain only to run your laptop either in a docking station or with an AC adapter. I initially charged both batteries with a DC power supply at about 15milliamps (voltage was about 16 VDC, I think...I was more concerned about limiting the current). It was a real nuisance, using paper clips and rubber bands for contacts to the battery and alligator clips to the power supply. And the batteries didn't seem to hold the charge for long. With the charger, initially, the green charge LED on the charger wouldn't come on, BUT the battery would heat up if left in the socket for a couple of hours. And the voltage of the battery afterward was around 12.8 volts. I then had to excercise the battery in my 701 until discharge; it wasn't long the first two times. However third time seemed to be the charm ... then I could use the the condition function on the battery charger... and conditioned each battery in the charger. Now both batteries will hold a charge of at least 45 minutes,(maybe longer, but I plan in doing 2 more conditionings before seeing how long of a charge these batteries will hold) and the red and green LEDs on the charge function as they should. Apparently, the battery has to be "programmed" (from Jamie the customer service person at Xtend) by charging and discharging it initially in a 701 in order for the charger LEDs to work. Exactly what the I/O voltages on the battery are supposed to be, I have no definitive idea, otherwise I would have tried to program the battery myself with a DC power supply. Hope this helps. Good luck with Xtend; they want some sort of dated document for warranty service with their batteries (receipt, dated e-mail, etc). -Pete At 12:33 PM 10/5/99 -0700, you wrote: >I think I did the same thing you did ;-} >Do any of yours work ?? >Not one of the three that I got will take a charge . >Haven't phoned them yet . > >..peter... > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Peter Findeis >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 11:53 AM >Subject: NiMH batteries for 701---XtendMicro > > >> I picked up a pair of new NiMH batteries from XtendMicro(the manufacturer) >> at a Dutch auction on Amazon.com in the spring of '99. I think will were >> about $35.00 a piece by the time you included shipping. XtendMicro has >now >> moved from the wasteland of auctions at Amazon.com(from the seller's >> viewpoint) to selling on eBay, > > > From cph Tue Oct 5 17:55:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA24842 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:55:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04581; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:54:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04448; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04418; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:54:26 -0400 Received: from heiby.pr.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA28623 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:54:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:54:08 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <4704.991005@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad-Users Subject: Re[2]: blue trackpoint covers In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday, October 05, 1999, 2:24:33 PM, Vincent wrote: VP> Atleast you can use one when you hate the other. VP> It's like the equal choice machine. Well, sort of. I used a Compaq with a touch pad for a while. The two things about it that really annoyed me were: 1) Had to move my hands off the "home row" to do a "mouse" function. 2) The fleshy part of my thumb tended to rest on the touch pad, causing the mouse cursor to skitter off somewhere undesired. A dual pointing device machine that had both pointing stick and touch pad would certainly solve #1. However, unless the touch pad can actually be *disabled*, #2 would seem to remain. Does Micron allow the touch pad to be disabled, leaving the pointing stick active? Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN/pzfW8pw+2/9pUJEQJMSACgot3ZRvdn8YFsMEbF/Sdw7ZuR/nkAnRg6 8MIow18TENXIb9xLWP6DzYAd =kMRa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Tue Oct 5 18:43:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA25342 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:43:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07462; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:41:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07300; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07286; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:41:40 -0400 Received: by SPR_MAIN with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:44:38 -0500 Message-ID: <195C527E2345D311A97C009027856AB8014A95@BIGRED> From: Greg Langham To: "'Ronald W. Heiby'" Cc: "'ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Re[2]: blue trackpoint covers Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:43:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" List-Unsubscribe: The Micron Transport XKE models require the user to choose between the touchpad and the trackpoint. The "other" device is inactive. On a side note, I have always considered the XKE's to be excellent machines, though not on the level of a high-end ThinkPad. The 13.3" screen on my 266 Mhz model is unique in that it is extra "black." You never see any bleed through of the backlight like you do on a Thinkpad. However, the Thinkpad displays are somewhat brighter. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Ronald W. Heiby [mailto:heiby@falkor.chi.il.us] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 4:54 PM To: ThinkPad-Users Subject: Re[2]: blue trackpoint covers -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday, October 05, 1999, 2:24:33 PM, Vincent wrote: VP> Atleast you can use one when you hate the other. VP> It's like the equal choice machine. Well, sort of. I used a Compaq with a touch pad for a while. The two things about it that really annoyed me were: 1) Had to move my hands off the "home row" to do a "mouse" function. 2) The fleshy part of my thumb tended to rest on the touch pad, causing the mouse cursor to skitter off somewhere undesired. A dual pointing device machine that had both pointing stick and touch pad would certainly solve #1. However, unless the touch pad can actually be *disabled*, #2 would seem to remain. Does Micron allow the touch pad to be disabled, leaving the pointing stick active? Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN/pzfW8pw+2/9pUJEQJMSACgot3ZRvdn8YFsMEbF/Sdw7ZuR/nkAnRg6 8MIow18TENXIb9xLWP6DzYAd =kMRa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Tue Oct 5 19:00:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA25534 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:00:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08877; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:59:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08699; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08681; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.142 -> as-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:59:20 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) id SAA21321 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) with SMTP id SAA21244 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910052258.SAA21244@spamraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 18:57:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Netscape question: doesn't go online List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:16:09 -1000, David Ross wrote: >> fine. I assume one of those "shared files used by >> no applications" probably was needed by Netscape. :( > >Had this been the case, then the reinstall would have >solved the problem. What you've more likely lost is >some registry setting related to connection (Netscape's >own uninstaller would have left these behind, but a >3rd party uninstaller might be more agressive.) >I would carefully recheck all Netscape options. Thanks for your reply. I've gone through and looked at everything under EDIT|PREFERENCES but I can't find anything useful there. I tried changing "online" to "ask", then telling it either "work online" or "offline" and then FILE|GO-ONLINE but still to no avail. Meanwhile IE, mail, and news are all working fine (none of them through Netscape). Is there any particular Netscape option that might affect this? I've also since un-installed NS4.7 again, then re-installed it on a different drive, in case it was failing to overwrite a corrupted file on install. But still no luck. Any additional suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks! andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Tue Oct 5 19:07:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA25595 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:07:26 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09395; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:06:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09295; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09281; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (199.2.210.241 -> agora.rdrop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:06:40 -0400 Received: from fenktp (ppp-d9.rdrop.com [199.2.212.42]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA09825 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:06:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fenk@agora.rdrop.com) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991005155708.00951100@agora.rdrop.com> X-Sender: fenk@agora.rdrop.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 16:08:12 -0700 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: John Fenk Subject: Re: 770Z: Error 630 when using modem In-Reply-To: <004201bf0b6a$70149820$55a4b3c7@abtp.designcraft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 10:37 AM 9/30/99, you wrote: >Make sure in Hyperterminal you use: File --> Properties --> Direct to COMx >where COMx is the port the modem is configured. Then: Configure --> Flow >Control --> Hardware. >Once these are set you may need to "blind type" AT&F or ATE0Q1 to turn "on" >echo and modem responses. "Blind type" means typing without getting any >feedback until you hit RETURN. You should get OK after hitting RETURN. > > > > >Also you mention a modem log. Do you know how I produce one? That sounds > >like it would be useful. > >Control Panel --> Modems --> Properties --> Connection --> >Advanced -->Record a log file > >If one of the PC cards is ethernet, you could replace it with a combo >modem/ethernet. >I agree the 770 internal should work fine at 33.6. Have you considered >reinstalling the OS from scratch to try to fix your problem? These types of >problems can be caused by "power management" issues. Test to see if a >suspend operation is the precursor to the modem trouble. > >Aaron Brown. Thanks. I had the problem again twice today after I started recording the modem log. When I get error, there is nothing at all added to the log file. I didn't get to try out the hyperterminal because I just figured out that the modem is on COM2. I had thought it was COM1. I called IBM and they looked up the error on microsoft's web site and had me try two workarounds - removing the check mark from the modem properties "wait for dial tone" and putting three commas in front of the phone number and then reboot. I don't think this will help, but I'll do it and just call them again when it happens. There was a suspend today before each error, but I know that it has happened without there having been a suspend operation. Thanks again for the help. -- John Fenk fenk@agora.rdrop.com (503) 641-8036 From cph Tue Oct 5 19:25:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA25739 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:25:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10757; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:24:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10490; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10399; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.140 -> ds-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:23:49 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) id TAA29881 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) with SMTP id TAA29859 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910052323.TAA29859@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 19:23:26 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Netscape question: doesn't go online List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 17:08:39 -0700, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >Make sure you have "TCP/IP" attached to your dial up adaptor. I do, although I've been using the cablemodem since this occurred. TCP/IP is attached to the 3COM network adapter too. I just dialed out through the modem to compare, and the same thing is happening. Help! :( Thanks! [pointers to Netscape-specific support will also be appreciated; I couldn't find anything on their FAQ except how to go offline]. andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Tue Oct 5 19:57:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA25941 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:57:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12510; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:56:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12420; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12407; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU (128.196.206.226 -> exchange.optics.arizona.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:56:50 -0400 Received: from spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu ([150.135.52.9]) by exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id 4KV1Q25C; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:56:48 -0700 Received: from europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.30]) by spectra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26431 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:56:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id QAA00093 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:56:47 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:56:47 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <199910052356.QAA00093@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Good PCMCIA ethernet cards X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Just a futher note - if you want to run Sun Solaris x86, the only supported PCMCIA card is the 3C589 (or the new version with a different number) from 3Com. (I'm running Solaris 7 x86 on a 770E with 224 MB of RAM - works VERY nicely with the Xi Graphics Laptop Xserver which is also available for Linux. Solaris is oh so much more stable than NT4 as installed by IBM and I can run most (but not all) of what I need to under the Intel version of Solaris 7.) Stuart > Just a note of clarification, in my experience, 3com cards are well > supported under linux. They are listed in the group of companies that > actively cooperated with the PCMCIA development team. > > ________________________________ > On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Keith Wong wrote: > > > > > --Because of the rising popularity of Linux, if you ever plan on > > installing linux on your laptop, then the Linksys is probably your best > > bet. Otherwise the 3coms are okay. Pcmag just did a test on a whole > > bunch of PCMCIA cards, and I think the 3com and a few other strange > > brands came up top. good luck. > > > > --Keith Wong > > Honolulu, Hawaii From cph Tue Oct 5 20:01:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA25977 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:01:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13105; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:00:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12863; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12817; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:59:57 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id TAA22218 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (h-182-40.mn.mediaone.net [209.32.182.40]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with ESMTP id TAA22167; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37FA9086.5B92B762@csc.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 18:57:58 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Netscape question: doesn't go online References: <199910052323.TAA29859@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: About the only thing that would prevent Netscape from connecting to a web site if other TCP/IP apps on the machine are running fine is the proxy server settings. Under Edit|Preferences|Advanced Settings, check and see if either a) a proxy server is specified and it shouldn't be or b) no proxy information is present and it is needed. If you need to use a proxy server and don't know the details, check your IE install under Tools|Internet Options|Connection|LAN Settings. Barring proxy issues, I would recommend fully uninstalling Netscape and then re-installing it. Good luck! Rob Andrew Webber wrote: > > On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 17:08:39 -0700, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > >Make sure you have "TCP/IP" attached to your dial up adaptor. > > I do, although I've been using the cablemodem since this occurred. > TCP/IP is attached to the 3COM network adapter too. > > I just dialed out through the modem to compare, and the same thing > is happening. > > Help! :( > > Thanks! [pointers to Netscape-specific support will also be > appreciated; I couldn't find anything on their FAQ except how to go > offline]. > > andrew > ------ > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Minnesota Webmaster CSC Consulting Group, Minneapolis, MN rbell1@csc.com ------------------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue Oct 5 20:10:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA26034 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:10:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14063; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:09:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13851; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13620; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:05:37 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id UAA23769 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id UAA23716 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910060005.UAA23716@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 20:05:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Netscape question: doesn't go online List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 05 Oct 1999 18:57:58 -0500, Rob Bell wrote: >About the only thing that would prevent Netscape from connecting to a >web site if other TCP/IP apps on the machine are running fine is the >proxy server settings. Under Edit|Preferences|Advanced Settings, check >and see if either a) a proxy server is specified and it shouldn't be or >b) no proxy information is present and it is needed. If you need to use >a proxy server and don't know the details, check your IE install under >Tools|Internet Options|Connection|LAN Settings. Barring proxy issues, I >would recommend fully uninstalling Netscape and then re-installing it. Thanks for the suggestion. I checked the proxy settings early on, since the version of NetSwitcher I have requires me to change the NS proxy settings manually when I travel to & from the client site where I use them. I just checked again, and I have "direct connection to the internet" selected, which is as it should be. I also cleared both memory and disk caches, but still no luck. Thanks! andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Tue Oct 5 20:12:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA26039 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:12:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14456; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:10:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13936; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13868; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.132 -> dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:09:44 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id UAA02981 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id UAA02930 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910060009.UAA02930@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 20:09:24 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP600: Flat speakers work? List-Unsubscribe: A few months ago, Kodel's flat speakers seemed to be in every computer store I went to. Now they seem to have fallen off the face of the earth. Although they're in the local IBM Home/Computing Store. Has anyone used these, with a TP, and/or otherwise? They're promoted as being for a portable CD player, but also for PCs. (And I assume my TP's headset jack wouldn't be a problem, if they're designed for a CD Walkman). They make the traveller version, as well as a desktop one that includes sub-woofer. I'm more interested in the notebook version. Also, I believer there are other brands using this technology. Has anyone tried them? I guess this is one case where I can take my TP600 and my AM/FM Walkman to the store and try them, assuming they'll open the box. www.kodel.com Thanks! andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Tue Oct 5 20:15:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA26062 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:14:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14960; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:13:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14600; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14568; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.15 -> dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:12:56 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA25370; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:12:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ati-ga4-05.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.197) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma024996; Tue Oct 5 19:11:10 1999 Message-ID: <008701bf0f8f$77f024f0$6f6f6f6f@ballarda> From: "Allan Ballard" To: , "John Fenk" Subject: Re: 770Z: Error 630 when using modem Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:12:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: You can ATDT to get a good idea what is not going on. ATH will hang up when you need to. If on the wrong port, well, gotta get that right first. If the port is disabled, then enable it in TP utilities, or delete it in Device Manager and boot, so that it will be re-added. All the 3 commas will do is induce a pause. Worst case, delete the modem and readd. Make it go away totally from device manager. Then check the com port it landed on very carefully. Then check your apps to make sure they have the same com port setting. If you can find an old DOS app, like Procom, they are much better than Hyperterm for tinkering around with modems. -----Original Message----- From: John Fenk To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 7:06 PM Subject: Re: 770Z: Error 630 when using modem >At 10:37 AM 9/30/99, you wrote: >>Make sure in Hyperterminal you use: File --> Properties --> Direct to COMx >>where COMx is the port the modem is configured. Then: Configure --> Flow >>Control --> Hardware. >>Once these are set you may need to "blind type" AT&F or ATE0Q1 to turn "on" >>echo and modem responses. "Blind type" means typing without getting any >>feedback until you hit RETURN. You should get OK after hitting RETURN. >> >> > >> >Also you mention a modem log. Do you know how I produce one? That sounds >> >like it would be useful. >> >>Control Panel --> Modems --> Properties --> Connection --> >>Advanced -->Record a log file >> >>If one of the PC cards is ethernet, you could replace it with a combo >>modem/ethernet. >>I agree the 770 internal should work fine at 33.6. Have you considered >>reinstalling the OS from scratch to try to fix your problem? These types of >>problems can be caused by "power management" issues. Test to see if a >>suspend operation is the precursor to the modem trouble. >> >>Aaron Brown. > >Thanks. I had the problem again twice today after I started recording the >modem log. When I get error, there is nothing at all added to the log >file. I didn't get to try out the hyperterminal because I just figured out >that the modem is on COM2. I had thought it was COM1. I called IBM and >they looked up the error on microsoft's web site and had me try two >workarounds - removing the check mark from the modem properties "wait for >dial tone" and putting three commas in front of the phone number and then >reboot. I don't think this will help, but I'll do it and just call them >again when it happens. There was a suspend today before each error, but I >know that it has happened without there having been a suspend >operation. Thanks again for the help. > >-- >John Fenk >fenk@agora.rdrop.com >(503) 641-8036 From cph Tue Oct 5 20:23:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA26106 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:23:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16221; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:22:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15834; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15798; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.103 -> pilot003.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:21:45 -0400 Received: from andres (pm561-35.dialip.mich.net [35.9.49.237]) by pilot003.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA22954 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:21:06 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991005202111.00ad3320@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 20:21:11 -0400 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Netscape question: doesn't go online In-Reply-To: <199910060005.UAA23716@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Andrew, does this copy of Netscape work at all for you? If you give it a URL thats a file on your local hard disk, does that work? You might try mail, too, just to see if it can see a pop server. If I'm understanding things right, your machine is on the net and you've proved with with ie, getting to places. Seeing if anything netscape can do on the net works might be a good thing to try. Have you verified that this copy you have has installed correctly on some other machine? STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 08:05 PM 10/5/1999 -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: >On Tue, 05 Oct 1999 18:57:58 -0500, Rob Bell wrote: > >>About the only thing that would prevent Netscape from connecting to a >>web site if other TCP/IP apps on the machine are running fine is the >>proxy server settings. Under Edit|Preferences|Advanced Settings, check >>and see if either a) a proxy server is specified and it shouldn't be or >>b) no proxy information is present and it is needed. If you need to use >>a proxy server and don't know the details, check your IE install under >>Tools|Internet Options|Connection|LAN Settings. Barring proxy issues, I >>would recommend fully uninstalling Netscape and then re-installing it. > >Thanks for the suggestion. I checked the proxy settings early on, >since the version of NetSwitcher I have requires me to change the >NS proxy settings manually when I travel to & from the client site >where I use them. > >I just checked again, and I have "direct connection to the >internet" selected, which is as it should be. I also cleared both >memory and disk caches, but still no luck. > >Thanks! From cph Tue Oct 5 20:51:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA26282 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:51:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17804; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:50:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17697; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17683; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:50:28 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA07250; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:50:19 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002c01bf0f94$c5024520$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Andrew Webber" , References: <199910060005.UAA23716@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Netscape question: doesn't go online Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:50:19 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > I just checked again, and I have "direct connection to the > internet" selected, which is as it should be. I also cleared both > memory and disk caches, but still no luck. Just for fun, try this. Set it to *use* a proxy, apply, then set it to not use the proxy and apply. When I used to use Netscape 3, I had to do this to make a non-proxy connection. Though the settings were correct from instantiation to instantiation, it somehow didn't register with the program until I did this. - David From cph Tue Oct 5 21:11:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA26364 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:11:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19096; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:10:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18925; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18909; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (207.0.68.7 -> home.dwave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:09:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id UAA30997 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:11:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:11:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: blue trackpoint covers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: IBM's ScrollPoint mouse has a trackpoint device. It has a blue cover with a round hole... at least mine does. So I guess a ScrollPoint mouse that you can buy for about $25 would be about the same price as the official replacements from IBM's preferred vendor now. Chris Schumann "I am a cipher, wrapped in an enigma, smothered in secret sauce." - Jimmy James, News Radio From cph Tue Oct 5 21:50:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA26559 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:50:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20952; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:49:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20804; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ntserver2.invention-machine.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20780; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ntserver2.invention-machine.com (12.30.60.66) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:49:06 -0400 Received: from alexkirk (1Cust238.tnt14.bos2.da.uu.net [63.27.163.238]) by ntserver2.invention-machine.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 4G0VWYA2; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:40:42 -0400 Message-ID: <010201bf0f9c$f5125f40$1178fea9@alexkirk> Reply-To: "Alex Kirkovsky" From: "Alex Kirkovsky" To: "Valentino Kyriakides" , "Thinkpad" References: Subject: Re: TP570 wallpapers Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:48:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EB_01BF0F7B.5FFD67E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01BF0F7B.5FFD67E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you very much! I did find them. Regards, Alex Kirkovsky ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Valentino Kyriakides=20 To: Alex Kirkovsky ; Thinkpad=20 Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 11:23 AM Subject: RE: TP570 wallpapers You can find these on the IBM site, see: =20 http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/mrc/tpperson.html or =20 ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/special/download/ Hope this helps? =20 =20 Greetings Valentino -----Original Message----- From: Alex Kirkovsky [mailto:alex_kirkovsky@invention-machine.com] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 2:27 PM To: Thinkpad Subject: TP570 wallpapers I install Win98SE on my ThinkPad 570, but by some reasons I could not find nice walpapers shipped with my = TP570. I tried to find them on original "Recovery CD", but there are some = binary files. Nothing readable... :) Could somebody send me them? Thanks in advance!!! 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Thank you very much!
I did find them.

Regards,
Alex Kirkovsky
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Valentino=20 Kyriakides
To: Alex Kirkovsky ; Thinkpad=20
Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 = 11:23=20 AM
Subject: RE: TP570 = wallpapers

You=20 can find these on the IBM site, see:
 
http://www.p= c.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/mrc/tpperson.html
 
or
 
ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/= pub/special/download/
 
 
Hope=20 this helps?
 
 
Greetings Valentino
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Kirkovsky = [mailto:alex_kirkovsk= y@invention-machine.com]
Sent:=20 Saturday, October 02, 1999 2:27 PM
To: = Thinkpad
Subject:=20 TP570 wallpapers

I install Win98SE on my ThinkPad 570,
but by some reasons I could not find nice walpapers shipped = with my=20 TP570.
I tried to find them on original "Recovery CD", but there are = some=20 binary files.
Nothing readable...
:)
 
Could somebody send me them?
Thanks in advance!!!

Regards,
Alex Kirkovsky
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01BF0F7B.5FFD67E0-- From cph Tue Oct 5 22:02:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA26613 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:02:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21980; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:00:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21816; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21798; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (202.188.95.4 -> mta1.tm.net.my) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:00:51 -0400 Received: from jaring ([202.188.15.64]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991006020029.FRA16565@jaring> for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:00:29 +0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991006100131.007d3cf0@pop.tm.net.my> X-Sender: khokk@pop.tm.net.my (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 10:01:31 +0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Kho Kwang Khoon Subject: Thinkpad 390 - Dialing tones from PMCIA modem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I am using a Xircom Creditcard Ethernet+Modem 33.6 with my TP390. Until lately I could hear the dialing tones from the modem whenever I used dial-up networking. Now the modem is quiet when dialing although it is working well. When I tried it on my destop PC (using a PMCIA adapter) the dialing tones are audible. What could be the problem? Any suggestions on what I should check will be very much appreciated. Thank you. Kho K. K. From cph Wed Oct 6 01:06:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA27243 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:06:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00399; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:04:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00191; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00167; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.140 -> ds-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:04:07 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) id BAA18422 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) with SMTP id BAA18408 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910060504.BAA18408@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 01:03:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Netscape question: doesn't go online List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:50:19 -1000, David Ross wrote: >> I just checked again, and I have "direct connection to the >> internet" selected, which is as it should be. I also cleared both >> memory and disk caches, but still no luck. > >Just for fun, try this. Set it to *use* a proxy, apply, then set it to not use the proxy and apply. >When I used to use Netscape 3, I had to do this to make a non-proxy connection. Though the settings were correct from instantiation >to instantiation, it somehow didn't register with the program until I did this. > >- David *AHEM* I did that and now when I launch Netscape this happens (when I tell it to go online; I have it set to prompt each time). NETSCAPE executed an invalid instruction in module at 0000:00000000. Registers: EAX=00000001 CS=0157 EIP=00000000 EFLGS=00010246 EBX=00000004 SS=015f ESP=00b4de6c EBP=00b4de90 ECX=00b4de84 DS=015f ESI=00d32720 FS=0e17 EDX=8169d430 ES=015f EDI=00d328f0 GS=0000 Bytes at CS:EIP: c6 08 ac 03 65 04 70 00 16 00 11 de 65 04 70 00 Stack dump: 007146d8 00d32720 00000001 00d2c710 00b9035c 00b9035c 00b4eb28 0071470a 00000000 00b4e4ac 005b0e38 00d2c710 00000001 00d32720 00000000 00697349 I connected offline, changed the proxy settings back to "direct to internet", and it doesn't crash online any more. Still doesn't do anything, though. :( Thanks for the suggestion! andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Wed Oct 6 01:20:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA27323 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:20:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01207; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:19:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01064; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01046; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:19:07 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-79.gate.net [199.227.20.142]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA99118; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:17:45 -0400 Message-ID: <37FADBCC.1DAA8AF8@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 01:19:08 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James V. Bohen" CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 755CV and RAM card References: <199910051344_MC2-87B8-4079@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Himem.sys is an excellent memory test.. that part is pretty obviously bad.. Kingston MIGHT replace it under their lifetime warranty.. "James V. Bohen" wrote: > I'm trying to install a 16MB "credit card" memory card into a 755CV, which > has 8MB onboard. The card is a Kingston KTM-750/16. Halfway through > booting Windows I get a blue screen message: Memory parity error detected; > system halted. > > It was suggested to me to disable parity checking by going into setup, > clicking memory, then disable parity checking. In that case I get these > messages: > > "himem.sys has detected unreliable xms memory at address 00c20000. xms > driver not installed. > to continue starting your computer, press enter" > > Next comes: > > "himem.sys is missing > make sure that the file is in your windows directory" > > Then: > > "Windows has stopped. Press ctrl alt delete to restart your computer." > > Then: > > "While initializing device VREDIR: > windows protection error. you need to restart your computer." > > Removed Kingston card, rebooted, everything back to normal. > > Any ideas? > > Jim Bohen -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Wed Oct 6 01:24:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA27341 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:24:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01738; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:22:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01545; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01532; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.22 -> hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:22:35 -0400 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust79.tnt1.lake-charles.la.da.uu.net [63.10.14.79]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15333 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37FADC9E.6F8F8873@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 00:22:38 -0500 From: chester & dee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 think pad power unit References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Bill for your reply also many thanks to all the others . Gonna check it out. Chester -- "Yesterday is history, Tomorrow is a mystery, And today is a gift ~ That's why they call it the PRESENT." From cph Wed Oct 6 05:48:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA27991 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 05:48:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26710; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 05:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 05:47:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26607; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 05:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26593; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 05:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 05:47:11 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p47.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.62]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA18990 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 02:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910060948.CAA18990@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 02:46:42 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ThinkPad 710T and Win2K question (for the 760) List-Unsubscribe: I'm going to be obtaining a ThinkPad 710T within this or next week, and was wondering if anyone on the list either has one, or has dealt with one before. I'll need to get a copy of Pen for Windows somewhere, but I have no idea where to look. This will be ThinkPad #5 (300, 701CS, 750, 760ED). On a side note, has anyone tried Windows 2000 RC1 or RC2 with a 760 (particulary an E or ED)? I'm hoping that they'll have mwave fixed by then. I really enjoy NT 4 on this machine far more than I did with OS/2 4 (especially since I now have 80MB of RAM), but I also really miss OS/2's better APM support (that is almost non-existant in NT 4). Paul From cph Wed Oct 6 08:02:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA28584 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:02:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01559; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:00:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01379; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01365; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (206.146.7.2 -> rattler.gtfc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:00:46 -0400 Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (root@localhost) by rattler.gtfc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28391; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:00:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from csc.com ([10.1.11.49]) by rattler.gtfc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28387; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:00:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37FB3989.FB63B946@csc.com> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 06:59:05 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Netscape question: doesn't go online References: <199910060504.BAA18408@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Try the full uninstall and then re-install. That's your best bet. Rob Andrew Webber wrote: > > On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:50:19 -1000, David Ross wrote: > > >> I just checked again, and I have "direct connection to the > >> internet" selected, which is as it should be. I also cleared both > >> memory and disk caches, but still no luck. > > > >Just for fun, try this. Set it to *use* a proxy, apply, then set it to not use the proxy and apply. > >When I used to use Netscape 3, I had to do this to make a non-proxy connection. Though the settings were correct from instantiation > >to instantiation, it somehow didn't register with the program until I did this. > > > >- David > > *AHEM* > > I did that and now when I launch Netscape this happens (when I tell > it to go online; I have it set to prompt each time). > > NETSCAPE executed an invalid instruction in > module at 0000:00000000. > Registers: > EAX=00000001 CS=0157 EIP=00000000 EFLGS=00010246 > EBX=00000004 SS=015f ESP=00b4de6c EBP=00b4de90 > ECX=00b4de84 DS=015f ESI=00d32720 FS=0e17 > EDX=8169d430 ES=015f EDI=00d328f0 GS=0000 > Bytes at CS:EIP: > c6 08 ac 03 65 04 70 00 16 00 11 de 65 04 70 00 > Stack dump: > 007146d8 00d32720 00000001 00d2c710 00b9035c 00b9035c 00b4eb28 > 0071470a 00000000 00b4e4ac 005b0e38 00d2c710 00000001 00d32720 > 00000000 00697349 > > I connected offline, changed the proxy settings back to "direct to > internet", and it doesn't crash online any more. Still doesn't do > anything, though. :( > > Thanks for the suggestion! > > andrew From cph Wed Oct 6 08:55:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA28757 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:55:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04447; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:53:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04230; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04215; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:53:53 -0400 Received: from mmax38.vramp.net (mmax38.vramp.net [198.138.8.101]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA14563 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910061253.IAA14563@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:45:33 -0400 Subject: Re: 755CV and RAM card Reply-to: captjhem@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199910051344_MC2-87B8-4079@compuserve.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) List-Unsubscribe: On 5 Oct 99, at 13:43, James V. Bohen wrote: > I'm trying to install a 16MB "credit card" memory card into a 755CV, which > has 8MB onboard. The card is a Kingston KTM-750/16. Halfway through > booting Windows I get a blue screen message: Memory parity error > detected; system halted. > > It was suggested to me to disable parity checking by going into setup, > clicking memory, then disable parity checking. In that case I get these > messages: > > "himem.sys has detected unreliable xms memory at address 00c20000. xms > driver not installed. to continue starting your computer, press enter" Have you tried testing the memory in setup? It sounds like there's a problem with the Kingston card. I've seen this many times with some of our donated machines and it's usually corrected by swapping the card with a known good one. I'd give Kingston a call at (800) 337-8410 or go to: http://www.kingston.com/support/default.asp and fill out a support request. Or you can get a Return Material Authorization ("RMA") number by calling Kingston Customer Service at (714) 438-1810. Thinkpad memory cards have a lifetime warranty and we've never had a problems with replacement of donated items, e.g. we're not the original purchaser. Regards, James From cph Wed Oct 6 09:47:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA29041 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:47:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08337; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:46:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08165; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08150; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:46:04 -0400 Received: from lispworks (lispworks.lavielle.com [194.64.21.80]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA28895; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:45:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Andrew Webber" , , Subject: RE: TP600 HDs? Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:45:33 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37FA1CA6.73BB22E@icanect.net> List-Unsubscribe: Well, if the power consumption for those HDs would be the same or even decreased related to actual IBM HDs you are right. But IMHO there are also some other real world situations which can affect at least time critical HD processes/operations. For example the more capacity a harddisk has (and if the access speed isn't much increased, related to HDs with lower capacity), the more time is spend to do say a fcsk under Unix or some defragmentation under WinXX. You system would spend more time for doing this with bigger drives and so you would decrease more battery power for such tasks as with lower capacity drives. - This might be not a typical example, but it's something I realized the past time. Greetings Valentino > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@icanect.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 5:44 PM > To: Valentino Kyriakides > Cc: Andrew Webber; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: TP600 HDs? > > > excellent points.. > one flaw though is the power draw would not be much different than now.. > for one or two HDD's in the machine.. > > my 770Z gets 3.5 plus hours running portable.. and i mean running > with display > on and HDD and two PCMCIA cards (one GPS and one NIC) > > Valentino Kyriakides wrote: > > > Well, I for myself don't need 40 or 80 gigs on my thinkpad (this would > > obviously quickly power down my 770 battery...). I can till do > my developing > > and programming still on 5-8 GB disks, which till now offer > enough space for > > me. However, I knew some people who have a demand for these and > would shure From cph Wed Oct 6 10:45:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA29521 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:45:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12772; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:41:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12440; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cayuga.cs.rochester.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12422; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:41:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from cayuga.cs.rochester.edu (192.5.53.209 -> cayuga.cs.rochester.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:41:51 -0400 Received: from rum.cs.rochester.edu (rum.cs.rochester.edu [192.5.53.200]) by cayuga.cs.rochester.edu (8.9.3/Q) with ESMTP id KAA01235 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bukys@localhost) by rum.cs.rochester.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/Q++) id KAA10720; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910061441.KAA10720@rum.cs.rochester.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: backlight failure, EZServe, etc Cc: bukys@cs.rochester.edu List-Unsubscribe: I have a ThinkPad 770 (9548-40U) 13" TFT. My backlight only goes bright for a few seconds after power-up or wake-from-suspend, then quickly fades down to nothing. Is this a typical failure mode for a backlight? This is the first problem, ever, for this machine. So I have some basic EZServe questions. How fast can I expect EZServe to turn this around? Will it be OK with them if I ship the machine without internal disk (to prevent the wipe-out of my data)? Is this a common problem that an authorized IBM repair center should be able to handle without screwing up? From cph Wed Oct 6 11:15:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA29761 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:15:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15664; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:13:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15422; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15409; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:13:39 -0400 Received: from lispworks (lispworks.lavielle.com [194.64.21.80]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA02819; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:13:32 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: "Ronald W. Heiby" , "ThinkPad-Users" Cc: Subject: RE: Re[2]: blue trackpoint covers Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:13:23 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4704.991005@falkor.chi.il.us> List-Unsubscribe: AFAIK, some compaq notebooks also have blue trackpoint covers. If I remember correctly it were the models from the new E700 series. HP has also mostly dual pointing device machines. There are the following notebooks with trackpoints: IBM - red trackpoint covers Toshiba - green trackpoint covers HP - red trackpoint covers Compaq - blue trackpoint covers (formerly it was a different color) Micron - blue trackpoint covers Which other trackpoint covers are OK for ThinkPads? And do they differ in material and usability? BTW, here in germany there are only "two red trackpoint covers" in a package ordered from IBM, didn't somebody told that there are three inside in the USA? Greetings Valentino > -----Original Message----- > From: Ronald W. Heiby [mailto:heiby@falkor.chi.il.us] > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 11:54 PM > To: ThinkPad-Users > Subject: Re[2]: blue trackpoint covers > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Tuesday, October 05, 1999, 2:24:33 PM, Vincent wrote: > VP> Atleast you can use one when you hate the other. > VP> It's like the equal choice machine. > > Well, sort of. I used a Compaq with a touch pad for a while. The two > things about it that really annoyed me were: > > 1) Had to move my hands off the "home row" to do a "mouse" function. > > 2) The fleshy part of my thumb tended to rest on the touch pad, > causing the mouse cursor to skitter off somewhere undesired. > > A dual pointing device machine that had both pointing stick and touch > pad would certainly solve #1. However, unless the touch pad can > actually be *disabled*, #2 would seem to remain. > > Does Micron allow the touch pad to be disabled, leaving the pointing > stick active? > ... From cph Wed Oct 6 11:40:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA29934 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:40:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18457; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:39:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18358; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.infoave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18311; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.infoave.net (165.166.0.26 -> smtp01.infoave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:39:14 -0400 Received: from dial-14.r05.ncelrb.infoave.net ("port 1134"@[206.74.61.214]) by SMTP00.InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-12 #23426) with SMTP id <01JGT9XPQ9KG8WW7UN@SMTP00.InfoAve.Net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:39:05 EDT Received: by dial-14.r05.ncelrb.infoave.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BF0FEF.5826C740@dial-14.r05.ncelrb.infoave.net>; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:38:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:26:51 -0400 From: Stan Jacobs Subject: RE: 755CV and RAM card To: "'James V Bohen'" , thinkpadcsutkedu Message-id: <01BF0FEF.5826C740@dial-14.r05.ncelrb.infoave.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA29935 Yeah, the ram card is defective. I have seen that with regular memory on a pc. Even when the ram test at the start didn't pick it up if you run himem in something earlier than windows 95 it will detect if you have bad memory. Under normal circumstances windows 95 doesn't test high memory. To do the test under win95 press F8 when Starting Windows 95 appears and select Safe Mode. That will force it to test memory. I fought installing Windows NT on a machine for a week. For some reason I decided to install Dos 6.22 and Windows 3.1 on the machine. That is when I found I have a bad memory simm. Stan Jacobs sjacobs@infoave.net ---------- From: James V Bohen[SMTP:jbohen@compuserve.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 1:43 PM To: thinkpadcsutkedu Subject: 755CV and RAM card I'm trying to install a 16MB "credit card" memory card into a 755CV, which has 8MB onboard. The card is a Kingston KTM-750/16. Halfway through booting Windows I get a blue screen message: Memory parity error detected; system halted. It was suggested to me to disable parity checking by going into setup, clicking memory, then disable parity checking. In that case I get these messages: "himem.sys has detected unreliable xms memory at address 00c20000. xms driver not installed. to continue starting your computer, press enter" Next comes: "himem.sys is missing make sure that the file is in your windows directory" Then: "Windows has stopped. Press ctrl alt delete to restart your computer." Then: "While initializing device VREDIR: windows protection error. you need to restart your computer." Removed Kingston card, rebooted, everything back to normal. Any ideas? Jim Bohen From cph Wed Oct 6 11:52:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA30029 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:52:01 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19830; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:51:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19726; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19437; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:48:46 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id LAA22117 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id LAA22027 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910061548.LAA22027@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:47:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Netscape question: doesn't go online List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 06 Oct 1999 06:59:05 -0500, Rob Bell wrote: >Try the full uninstall and then re-install. >That's your best bet. > >Rob I did do that early on and it didn't help. But I'll probably try it again. In the mean time I've found a workaround: In IE4, VIEW | INTERNET-OPTIONS | PROGRAMS | "Internet Explorer should check to see whether it is the default browser". I checked that and said yes on next launch. ;) Thanks to everyone for the suggestions and help. Sorry I couldn't make better use of it! andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Wed Oct 6 12:11:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA30178 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:11:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21781; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:10:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21605; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot023.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21572; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot023.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.123 -> pilot023.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:09:56 -0400 Received: from andres (pm456-14.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.72]) by pilot023.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA82072 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:09:53 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991006115451.00acfc90@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:54:51 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Netscape question: doesn't go online In-Reply-To: <199910061548.LAA22027@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Since Netscape has been so beastly towards you, let me take this oppurtunity to suggest using the Opera browser. Far far smaller and faster, it is a real alternative to either of the corpulent pigs of renown. Look at http://www.operasoftware.com for more info. It's quite ThinkPad compatible. --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 11:47 AM 10/6/1999 -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: >On Wed, 06 Oct 1999 06:59:05 -0500, Rob Bell wrote: > >>Try the full uninstall and then re-install. >>That's your best bet. >> >>Rob > >I did do that early on and it didn't help. But I'll probably try >it again. > >In the mean time I've found a workaround: > >In IE4, VIEW | INTERNET-OPTIONS | PROGRAMS | "Internet Explorer >should check to see whether it is the default browser". I checked >that and said yes on next launch. > >;) > >Thanks to everyone for the suggestions and help. Sorry I couldn't >make better use of it! From cph Wed Oct 6 13:21:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA30672 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:21:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27905; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:20:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27714; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27692; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.128.1.70 -> ne.mediaone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:20:05 -0400 Received: from Laptop (plumbush.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.150.141]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA00841 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:20:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: 770z pulsing trackpoint stalling at startup Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:19:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bf101e$fdbdc940$0200a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Occasionally, upon startup, the TrackPoint mouse will freeze every five seconds or so, for a few seconds, and this will continue to happen in a regular, pulsing fashion until I reboot, after which it usually goes away without a second reboot. I've been into MSConfig and tried disabling all startup programs (with particular attention to anything that might do polling), but this doesn't seem to matter. I assume this is probably a software problem, but has anyone else encountered it? Thanks -- Jeff From cph Wed Oct 6 14:15:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA31199 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:15:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02225; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:14:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02064; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02048; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (198.206.134.30 -> pima.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:14:02 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-148.gate.net [199.227.20.211]) by pima.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA239492; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:00:06 -0400 Message-ID: <37FB9169.1B3D1AB4@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 14:14:02 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeffrey Baker CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770z pulsing trackpoint stalling at startup References: <000101bf101e$fdbdc940$0200a8c0@Laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jeff... do you have wintop.exe..?? if not, its available (or was) from the microsquash site.. someplace.. and >from me, just ask.. :-) if so, run that as your first app at startup.. it will show whats running and how much cpu time is being taken by each process.. it sure sounds like something is siezing the cpu time.. Jeffrey Baker wrote: > Occasionally, upon startup, the TrackPoint mouse will freeze every five > seconds or so, for a few seconds, and this will continue to happen in a > regular, pulsing fashion until I reboot, after which it usually goes away > without a second reboot. I've been into MSConfig and tried disabling all > startup programs (with particular attention to anything that might do > polling), but this doesn't seem to matter. I assume this is probably a > software problem, but has anyone else encountered it? Thanks -- Jeff -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Wed Oct 6 15:33:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA31773 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:33:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08016; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:31:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07687; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07660; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:31:21 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA11674; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:31:05 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001901bf1031$56e121e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Valentino Kyriakides" , "Ronald W. Heiby" , "ThinkPad-Users" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Re[2]: blue trackpoint covers Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:31:05 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > There are the following notebooks with trackpoints: > > IBM - red trackpoint covers > Toshiba - green trackpoint covers > HP - red trackpoint covers > Compaq - blue trackpoint covers (formerly it was a different color) > Micron - blue trackpoint covers > > Which other trackpoint covers are OK for ThinkPads? And do they differ in > material and usability? Winbook - red We had a TI with a black (!) cover, but I don't think it was OEM. I don't know if these will all work on Thinkpads - some have round holes, some square - David From cph Wed Oct 6 15:35:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA31795 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:35:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08330; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:34:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08127; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08110; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:34:29 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA11752; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:34:19 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002d01bf1031$c9a8fb80$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , References: <199910061441.KAA10720@rum.cs.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: backlight failure, EZServe, etc Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:34:20 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > So I have some basic EZServe questions. > > How fast can I expect EZServe to turn this around? 12 hours plus shipping time each way, if there is no special problem. > Will it be OK with them if I ship the machine without internal > disk (to prevent the wipe-out of my data)? Probably - you might ask when you call to get your authorization number, just to be sure. > Is this a common problem that an authorized IBM repair center > should be able to handle without screwing up? I think the usual rule of thumb is that EZ serve is more reliable than local centers. I'm afraid to even drive near the local center with my Thinkpad in the car:-) - David From cph Wed Oct 6 15:52:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA31903 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:52:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10104; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:52:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10011; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontiernet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09980; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontiernet.net (209.130.129.194 -> node9.frontiernet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:51:57 -0400 Received: from Eric (209-130-148-151.nas-3.ROC.frontiernet.net [209.130.148.151]) by frontiernet.net (8.8.8a/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA37566; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:51:49 -0400 From: "Eric D. Gottlieb" To: Cc: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: RE: backlight failure, EZServe, etc Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:52:01 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002d01bf1031$c9a8fb80$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> List-Unsubscribe: FWIW, I have dealt with one of the local IBM Authorized Repair centers in Rochester. They did a pretty good job and were very honest. My machine was no longer under warrantee and they could have easily ripped me off. I was happy with their service. It took them a couple of days before they could get to my machine, but once they did, they fixed it rather quickly. Eric -----Original Message----- From: David Ross [mailto:ross@math.hawaii.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 3:34 PM To: bukys@cs.rochester.edu; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: backlight failure, EZServe, etc > So I have some basic EZServe questions. > > How fast can I expect EZServe to turn this around? 12 hours plus shipping time each way, if there is no special problem. > Will it be OK with them if I ship the machine without internal > disk (to prevent the wipe-out of my data)? Probably - you might ask when you call to get your authorization number, just to be sure. > Is this a common problem that an authorized IBM repair center > should be able to handle without screwing up? I think the usual rule of thumb is that EZ serve is more reliable than local centers. I'm afraid to even drive near the local center with my Thinkpad in the car:-) - David From cph Wed Oct 6 15:56:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA31925 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:56:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10648; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:56:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10562; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elaine25.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10531; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elaine25.Stanford.EDU (171.64.15.100 -> elaine25.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:56:02 -0400 Received: (from benkoh@localhost) by elaine25.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12094; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:55:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Kai Kia Koh Sender: benkoh@leland.Stanford.EDU cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: EZServe and my 560X (update) In-Reply-To: <002d01bf1031$c9a8fb80$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Some time ago I mentioned that EZServe refused to fix my 560X keyboard. I got it escalated, and today, about one week later, they called back to say they'll fix it, and if they don't need to order any parts, it'll ship out today. So it's turning out well, but I'll reserve final judgment until my 560X is safely in my hands. Cheers Benjamin From cph Thu Oct 7 00:54:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA02220 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:54:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09858; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:52:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09694; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09679; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:52:12 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.178]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991007045209.ADF19487@dts-jl> for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 04:52:09 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991007005105.00b0a970@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 00:51:05 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: Re[2]: blue trackpoint covers In-Reply-To: References: <4704.991005@falkor.chi.il.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:13 PM 10/6/99 +0200, Valentino Kyriakides wrote: >There are the following notebooks with trackpoints: > >IBM - red trackpoint covers >Toshiba - green trackpoint covers >HP - red trackpoint covers >Compaq - blue trackpoint covers (formerly it was a different color) >Micron - blue trackpoint covers > The new Compaq Armada (E700, M700 and M300) trackpoint covers are dark grey. From cph Thu Oct 7 00:57:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA02227 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:57:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10302; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:55:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10152; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10121; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:55:38 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.178]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991007045537.BHJ19487@dts-jl> for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 04:55:37 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991007005433.00ec4940@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 00:54:33 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: backlight failure, EZServe, etc In-Reply-To: <199910061441.KAA10720@rum.cs.rochester.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:41 AM 10/6/99 -0400, bukys@cs.rochester.edu wrote: > Will it be OK with them if I ship the machine without internal > disk (to prevent the wipe-out of my data)? > Don't send anything that is not part of the problem. From cph Thu Oct 7 02:53:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA02631 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 02:53:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14051; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 02:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 02:51:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13771; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 02:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13757; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 02:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 02:51:08 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-14.gate.net [207.36.212.14]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA129150; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 02:38:36 -0400 Message-ID: <37FC42CC.DCEA2E69@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 02:50:52 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: Valentino Kyriakides , "Ronald W. Heiby" , ThinkPad-Users Subject: Re: blue trackpoint covers References: <001901bf1031$56e121e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the black trackpoint tips WERE IBM oem, but very early on.. i have two or three of them.. they are the smooth versions.. :-) David Ross wrote: > > There are the following notebooks with trackpoints: > > > > IBM - red trackpoint covers > > Toshiba - green trackpoint covers > > HP - red trackpoint covers > > Compaq - blue trackpoint covers (formerly it was a different color) > > Micron - blue trackpoint covers > > > > Which other trackpoint covers are OK for ThinkPads? And do they differ in > > material and usability? > > Winbook - red > > We had a TI with a black (!) cover, but I don't think it was OEM. > > I don't know if these will all work on Thinkpads - some have round holes, some square > > - David -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Oct 7 03:41:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA02735 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:41:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22508; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:38:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22118; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22081; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:36:13 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA15878; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:35:41 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001901bf1096$91ce04c0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "ThinkPad-Users" References: <001901bf1031$56e121e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <37FC42CC.DCEA2E69@icanect.net> Subject: Re: blue trackpoint covers Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:35:43 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > the black trackpoint tips WERE IBM oem, but very early on.. > i have two or three of them.. > they are the smooth versions.. :-) Well, as I said, it was on a TI, not an IBM. Um, the story of how I got it is kind of funny. We needed a new cover for the TI, and so I went down to what was then Computer City. They sold a variety of models with trackpoints - IBM, TI, Toshiba, etc. - and so I figured they'd have a cover from at least one of them. When I asked at the appropriate counter, I was told that they didn't sell them, didn't know where to find one, and would I please go away. So, I ambled over to the laptop section, and when a salescreature descended on me I asked the same question - he went into the back, came out again, and repeated what I was told before. "What?" I asked loudly, "you sell the machines but not the consumables?" When he said they weren't consumables but parts, I pointed out all the machines on display missing their covers, "and they're brand new, too!" I didn't do this quietly - Keith would probably classify me as "one loud Haole" - and soon I had lots of laptop customers paying attention to my argument that it was ridiculous to sell trackpoint machines but not spare covers. Finally - I assume to get rid of me - someone showed up with the aforementioned black cover and gave it to me. I hope the would-be laptop customers who were there all learned from me; after all, the state does pay me to educate her citizens! - David From cph Thu Oct 7 03:41:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA02739 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:41:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22759; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:39:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22529; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22502; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:39:36 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-14.gate.net [207.36.212.14]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA110046; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:27:12 -0400 Message-ID: <37FC4E31.48512B57@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 03:39:29 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bukys@cs.rochester.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: backlight failure, EZServe, etc References: <199910061441.KAA10720@rum.cs.rochester.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: never, NEVER send your machine away without REMOVING the HDD and memory.. the service center does not need it and you never know what'll happen... a good friend did this and the fedex plane burned up on the runway.. his machine and data were mixed in a molten puddle with asphalt, running shoes, aluminum plane skin... it took him months just to get a new thinkpad out of IBM... bukys@cs.rochester.edu wrote: > I have a ThinkPad 770 (9548-40U) 13" TFT. My backlight only goes > bright for a few seconds after power-up or wake-from-suspend, then > quickly fades down to nothing. > > Is this a typical failure mode for a backlight? > > This is the first problem, ever, for this machine. > So I have some basic EZServe questions. > > How fast can I expect EZServe to turn this around? > > Will it be OK with them if I ship the machine without internal > disk (to prevent the wipe-out of my data)? > > Is this a common problem that an authorized IBM repair center > should be able to handle without screwing up? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Oct 7 04:21:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA02848 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 04:21:26 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26604; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 04:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 04:14:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26431; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 04:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26408; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 04:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 04:14:09 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p34.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.49]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA23184; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 01:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910070813.BAA23184@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 01:13:24 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701CS Info needed List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 05 Oct 1999 11:38:23 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >best for those who want to keep as original a 701 as possible since these >are now industrial art and thus something of a collectors item.. > Industrial art, huh? Never thought of it that way. I'm hoping to make the most use of my machine, since that's my only ThinkPad I bought new (not including the 355C, I don't even include that anymore). I still even have the box. Oh, I knew there were preload CD's IBM made for that machine (not any more). I bought a copy of the CD from someone on the list about 2 years or so ago. Would anyone still have a copy of this CD, or know where I might be able to get it? There were some things on the preload I'd like to work with again, but I can't find my CD. Regards, Paul From cph Thu Oct 7 05:03:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA03015 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 05:03:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29360; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 04:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 04:56:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29239; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 04:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29226; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 04:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (199.222.42.2 -> malasada.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 04:56:27 -0400 Received: from lava.net(wiliwili063.lava.net[207.26.193.158]) (3140 bytes) by malasada.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:56:22 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Jun-23) Message-ID: <37FC607F.A66E2183@lava.net> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 22:57:37 -1000 From: Keith Wong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: ThinkPad-Users Subject: Re: blue trackpoint covers & hawaiian culture References: <001901bf1031$56e121e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <37FC42CC.DCEA2E69@icanect.net> <001901bf1096$91ce04c0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: --Haha! Hey that's great, I loved giving the Comp city guys hassles! They knew so little yet talked so much. We've only got CompUSA on the island of Oahu now, and their salesmen basically ignore you. For everyone else who's not familar with hawaiian terms, Haole is a slang for a Caucasian person. Don't call yourself that though David. Ha-ole means "no air" or not worth breathing the same air as. It's definitely an insult as Hawaiians greeted good friends and family by putting their noses close and inhaling eachothers air. But it's become a regular slang for caucasians in hawaii. Okay nuff of Hawaiian culture time, now go forth and impress your girlfriends and wives with your new found worldliness. =) I'm gonna try and order some trackpoint covers and I'll let you guys know what I find. --Keith Wong Honolulu, Hawaii David Ross wrote: > > the black trackpoint tips WERE IBM oem, but very early on.. > > i have two or three of them.. > > they are the smooth versions.. :-) > > Well, as I said, it was on a TI, not an IBM. Um, the story of how I got it is kind of funny. We needed a new cover for the TI, and > so I went down to what was then Computer City. They sold a variety of models with trackpoints - IBM, TI, Toshiba, etc. - and so I > figured they'd have a cover from at least one of them. When I asked at the appropriate counter, I was told that they didn't sell > them, didn't know where to find one, and would I please go away. So, I ambled over to the laptop section, and when a salescreature > descended on me I asked the same question - he went into the back, came out again, and repeated what I was told before. "What?" I > asked loudly, "you sell the machines but not the consumables?" When he said they weren't consumables but parts, I pointed out all > the machines on display missing their covers, "and they're brand new, too!" I didn't do this quietly - Keith would probably > classify me as "one loud Haole" - and soon I had lots of laptop customers paying attention to my argument that it was ridiculous to > sell trackpoint machines but not spare covers. Finally - I assume to get rid of me - someone showed up with the aforementioned > black cover and gave it to me. > > I hope the would-be laptop customers who were there all learned from me; after all, the state does pay me to educate her citizens! > > - David From cph Thu Oct 7 12:02:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA05038 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:02:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29811; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:52:22 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29375; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:52:18 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id LAA18110 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17772; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:30:35 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id JAA19905 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id JAA19867 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910071330.JAA19867@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 09:30:20 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP600: Flat speakers work? List-Unsubscribe: I haven't tried the Kodel speakers yet, but I called the IBM Home/Computing store last night. They don't have any of the traveller version, but they do have the desktop version with subwoofer. The salesman told me they (the traveller ones at least, and probably the desktop but he hasn't heard them) were the worst-sounding speakers he'd ever heard. No bass. Which makes sense since there's no cabinet cavity, etc. I'll keep looking for a set to listen to, but if this is true, it would explain why they've dropped off the face of the earth. They were everywhere for a while. www.kodel.com And there's more info on the technology at the inventors' site: www.nxt.co.uk On Tue, 05 Oct 1999 20:09:24 -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: >A few months ago, Kodel's flat speakers seemed to be in every >computer store I went to. Now they seem to have fallen off the >face of the earth. Although they're in the local IBM >Home/Computing Store. > >Has anyone used these, with a TP, and/or otherwise? They're >promoted as being for a portable CD player, but also for PCs. (And >I assume my TP's headset jack wouldn't be a problem, if they're >designed for a CD Walkman). > >They make the traveller version, as well as a desktop one that >includes sub-woofer. I'm more interested in the notebook version. >Also, I believer there are other brands using this technology. Has >anyone tried them? > >I guess this is one case where I can take my TP600 and my AM/FM >Walkman to the store and try them, assuming they'll open the box. andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Thu Oct 7 12:44:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA05357 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:44:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03555; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:42:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03377; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03355; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (198.206.134.26 -> chickasaw.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:42:43 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-122.gate.net [207.36.212.122]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA42824; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:14:56 -0400 Message-ID: <37FCC79C.B58CFF6E@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 12:17:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701CS Info needed References: <199910070813.BAA23184@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul.. i have a copy of the original preload but when i made it something went wrong with the warp portion and it won't let you out of warp, once you go into warp.. otherwise, i use an original preload for the answering machine and talking clock.. :-) Paul Khoury wrote: > On Tue, 05 Oct 1999 11:38:23 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >best for those who want to keep as original a 701 as possible since these > >are now industrial art and thus something of a collectors item.. > > > Industrial art, huh? Never thought of it that way. I'm hoping to make the most use of my machine, > since that's my only ThinkPad I bought new (not including the 355C, I don't even include that anymore). > I still even have the box. > > Oh, I knew there were preload CD's IBM made for that machine (not any more). > I bought a copy of the CD from someone on the list about 2 years or so ago. > Would anyone still have a copy of this CD, or know where I might be able to get it? > There were some things on the preload I'd like to work with again, but I can't find my CD. > > Regards, > > Paul -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Oct 7 16:36:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA06870 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:36:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19454; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:25:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18964; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18940; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.on.home.com (24.2.9.66 -> ha1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:25:06 -0400 Received: from pent500 ([24.112.37.101]) by mail.rdc1.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <19991007202444.NVRI9106.mail.rdc1.on.home.com@pent500>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:24:44 -0700 Message-Id: X-Sender: valliant@mail.inforamp.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 16:25:00 -0400 To: , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Hugh Valliant Subject: Re: TP and 3-Com In-Reply-To: <000c01bf0c5d$49327a80$7700a8c0@hades.Olympus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA06871 Hi Mark... Been there many times with the T/P 390 and 600s and 3Com... Excellent choice for a NIC.... I don't have my 600 in front of me but it's a power management thing to PCMCIA cards... Go to ThinkPad features... top battery choice left side in the middle ... and turn off auto...something or other... to PCMCIA cards. This is from memory.... which can be flakey at times... Don't forget to re-run SP4 or you'll get an error message and you can others in Network Neighbourhood but others willn't see you.. Give me a shout if I can be of any further help... Hugh At 05:35 PM 10/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >Received > by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id RAA04826; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:36:59 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost > by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id RAA04803; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:36:42 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (208.244.215.3 -> dns1.actionwebs.net > by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:36:42 -0400 >Received: from hades ([208.244.215.242] > by ares.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA17767 > for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:35:16 -0400 (EDT) >Reply-To: >From: "Mark Lemon" >To: >Subject: TP and 3-Com >Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:35:37 -0500 >Message-ID: <000c01bf0c5d$49327a80$7700a8c0@hades.Olympus> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 >Importance: Normal >X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >List-Unsubscribe: > >Here we go again... > >TP 600E 2645 with NT4.0. I've installed the 3-Com 10/100 PC card. The >diagnostics are ok, autodetect picks up the correct 10 or 100 port, but the >PC Card in Control Panel has a big red X in it. Driver name elpc575 Driver >status: the driver installed an started but didn't configure the device. >I've tried different base/mem/irq settings, no change no clue. Also noted >that PCMCIA is disabled in devices, but PCCard is not. When I run >Cardwizard, it says "insertion process is currently in process" but doesn't >do anything else. > >Any ideas? > >Mark >                              \\\\!////                             \\  _ _  //                              (  @ @  ) -------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------                   MI-COM Technology         Computer Solutions for Small Business Helping you access and travel the Information Highway                   Hugh A. Valliant        Bus.  (416) 726-5355   Fax. (416) 699-3847          E-mail         valliant@micomtech.com valliant@mi-comtech.com              http://www.mi-comtech.com/ ICQ UIN 4366968 From cph Thu Oct 7 17:49:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA07427 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:49:26 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23711; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:22:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23485; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23429; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:22:32 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA19571 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:22:28 -0700 Message-ID: <002301bf110b$4bc6dea0$03785a8e@pmachule> From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: Subject: Linux support for thinkpad 760E ? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:31:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Is there any Linux support for the M-Wave DSP in the thinkpad 760 series ? Either as a modem or a sound card . ..peter.. From cph Thu Oct 7 18:16:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07553 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:16:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26216; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:57:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25783; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25649; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.132 -> dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:56:34 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id RAA03464 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id RAA03412 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910072156.RAA03412@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 17:56:06 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Netscape question: doesn't go online List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:54:51 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >Since Netscape has been so beastly towards you, let >me take this oppurtunity to suggest using the Opera >browser. Far far smaller and faster, it is a real >alternative to either of the corpulent pigs of >renown. Look at http://www.operasoftware.com for >more info. It's quite ThinkPad compatible. Thanks for the suggestion. I actually tried it a couple of years ago on my P166, but I wasn't that thrilled with it. A lot of that was the UI I suspect, and I don't claim I gave it much of a chance. I'll certainly try it again as an alternative to IE! Someone suggested by email, that I try Netscape's 4.7 problem-fix wrt the FullSoft directory (home.netscape.com/computing/download/post_dnld.html) but it didn't help. Thanks again to everyone who offered advice! andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Thu Oct 7 18:46:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07674 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:46:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29109; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:40:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28407; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28381; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:40:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.69 -> imo25.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:40:17 -0400 Received: from TED10038@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id oXCTa04501 (3872) for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.1a1f2228.252e7b49@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:40:09 EDT Subject: IBM PCMCIA 4X CDROM 1969008 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 List-Unsubscribe: Hi: I'm writing to you because I was given this address by someone who said you might be able to help me. I have the above CD ROM, but I am missing the PC Card. IBM charges over $80 just for the card (their part # is 75H7523), which I think is exorbitant. Do you know where I can get it for less? Thank you very much. Best regards, Ted From cph Thu Oct 7 19:12:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA07785 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:12:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01090; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:02:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00898; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00868; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:02:46 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA21101; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:02:38 -0700 Message-ID: <003901bf1119$481edce0$03785a8e@pmachule> From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: , References: <0.1a1f2228.252e7b49@aol.com> Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA 4X CDROM 1969008 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:11:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Ted I have one of the next gen versions of that toy . The 8-20X thing . It's at home so I don't have the part number in front of me . But I'm positive that the cards are the same / interchangeable. Anyway .... http://www.compgeeks.com/cgi-bin/details.asp?cat=MultiMedia&sku=205-1969 was selling the complete thing new(ish) through www.onsale.com for aprox $90 plus $10 transpo a month ago. This will not save you any money but you do get a free CD-ROM out of the deal .;-} Also check with www.usapc.com for your part # and http://www.acsparts.com/thinkpads/parts.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 3:40 PM Subject: IBM PCMCIA 4X CDROM 1969008 > Hi: > I'm writing to you because I was given this address by someone who said you > might be able to help me. > > I have the above CD ROM, but I am missing the PC Card. IBM charges over $80 > just for the card (their part # is 75H7523), which I think is exorbitant. Do > you know where I can get it for less? > > Thank you very much. > Best regards, > Ted > From cph Thu Oct 7 19:49:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA08011 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:49:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02892; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:40:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02695; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02680; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:40:21 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (mg-20425426-161.ricochet.net [204.254.26.161]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA05701; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:40:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001b01bf111d$4897e0a0$a11afecc@oemcomputer> From: "mike" To: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" , References: <002301bf110b$4bc6dea0$03785a8e@pmachule> Subject: Re: Linux support for thinkpad 760E ? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:40:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Not for the modem. Sound card maybe. ----- Original Message ----- From: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP To: Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 2:31 PM Subject: Linux support for thinkpad 760E ? > Is there any Linux support for the M-Wave DSP in the thinkpad 760 series ? > Either as a modem or a sound card . > > ..peter.. > > From cph Thu Oct 7 20:04:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA08079 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:04:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04312; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:00:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03897; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03867; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:00:10 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA20821; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:59:52 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000b01bf1120$0ed92240$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" , , References: <0.1a1f2228.252e7b49@aol.com> <003901bf1119$481edce0$03785a8e@pmachule> Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA 4X CDROM 1969008 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:59:54 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: No. I have them both in front of me (I never did sell my 4X after buying the 8-20X), and I can guarantee that the cards on the 4X and the 8-20X are *not* the same or interchangeable. The P/N of the 4X card is 46H5904; the "FRU P/N" is 75H7523 BTW, the 8-20X drives have jumped up appreciably in price, both the ONSALE starting bid price and the usual one at compgeeks - David ----- Original Message ----- From: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP To: ; Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 1:11 PM Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA 4X CDROM 1969008 > Hi Ted > > I have one of the next gen versions of that toy . > The 8-20X thing . > It's at home so I don't have the part number in front of me . > But I'm positive that the cards are the same / interchangeable. > > Anyway .... > http://www.compgeeks.com/cgi-bin/details.asp?cat=MultiMedia&sku=205-1969 > was selling the complete thing new(ish) through > www.onsale.com for aprox $90 plus $10 transpo a month ago. > > This will not save you any money but you do get a free CD-ROM out of the > deal .;-} > > Also check with > www.usapc.com for your part # > and > http://www.acsparts.com/thinkpads/parts.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 3:40 PM > Subject: IBM PCMCIA 4X CDROM 1969008 > > > > Hi: > > I'm writing to you because I was given this address by someone who said > you > > might be able to help me. > > > > I have the above CD ROM, but I am missing the PC Card. IBM charges over > $80 > > just for the card (their part # is 75H7523), which I think is exorbitant. > Do > > you know where I can get it for less? > > > > Thank you very much. > > Best regards, > > Ted > > > > From cph Thu Oct 7 20:15:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA08112 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:15:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04006; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:58:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03787; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03764; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:58:45 -0400 Received: from 11.chicago-01-02rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.148.11]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991007235842.PVRQ19487@11.chicago-01-02rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:58:42 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables Subject: FA: IBM Thinkpad 701C Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 01:58:49 GMT Message-ID: <37ff4f0e.8717377@netnews.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've got a new laptop to pay for so I'm selling my butterfly on eBay in a 3-day auction. Interested parties can stop by http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=177611853. epbrown From cph Thu Oct 7 20:34:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA08190 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:34:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06151; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:28:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05841; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05827; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (128.95.79.74 -> brimstone.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:28:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (kress@localhost) by brimstone.geology.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03462; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:30:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: brimstone.geology.washington.edu: kress owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Victor Kress X-Sender: kress@brimstone.geology.washington.edu To: mike cc: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux support for thinkpad 760E ? In-Reply-To: <001b01bf111d$4897e0a0$a11afecc@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, mike wrote: > Not for the modem. Sound card maybe. > This is correct as far as I know. You will likely be able to get sound working under sound blaster emulation. To get sound working really well, you can probably use OSS drivers, which are something like $20. See http://www.4front-tech.com/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 2:31 PM > Subject: Linux support for thinkpad 760E ? > > > > Is there any Linux support for the M-Wave DSP in the thinkpad 760 series > ? > > Either as a modem or a sound card . > > > > ..peter.. > > > > > > From cph Thu Oct 7 21:51:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA08485 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:51:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09538; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:45:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09325; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09288; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:45:01 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (mg-20425426-161.ricochet.net [204.254.26.161]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA18223 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:29:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000f01bf1124$3188b180$a11afecc@oemcomputer> From: "mike" To: Subject: eraser heads Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:29:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: How long is are they suppose to last? How often do you change yours? And, where is a cheap source for them? Thanks, Mike From cph Thu Oct 7 21:58:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA08503 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:58:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10234; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:54:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09978; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09963; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:53:54 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA22838; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:53:51 -0700 Message-ID: <008e01bf1131$32941b20$03785a8e@pmachule> From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "David Ross" Cc: References: <0.1a1f2228.252e7b49@aol.com> <003901bf1119$481edce0$03785a8e@pmachule> <000b01bf1120$0ed92240$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA 4X CDROM 1969008 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:02:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: OOOOOOOPPPPPSSSSSS Dave, thanks for correcting me . and thanks for doing it so gently ;-} I'm very surpised that they are not interchangeable ... Hmmmm Was the joystick feature added with the 8X-20 ? Is the connecting cable at least the same ?? ..peter... hanging head in shame for he should know better ....;-{ ----- Original Message ----- From: David Ross > No. I have them both in front of me (I never did sell my 4X after buying the 8-20X), and I can guarantee that the cards on the 4X > and the 8-20X are *not* the same or interchangeable. > > The P/N of the 4X card is 46H5904; the "FRU P/N" is 75H7523 > > BTW, the 8-20X drives have jumped up appreciably in price, both the ONSALE starting bid price and the usual one at compgeeks > > - David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA 4X CDROM 1969008 > > > > Hi Ted > > > > I have one of the next gen versions of that toy . > > The 8-20X thing . > > It's at home so I don't have the part number in front of me . > > But I'm positive that the cards are the same / interchangeable. > > > > Anyway .... > > http://www.compgeeks.com/cgi-bin/details.asp?cat=MultiMedia&sku=205-1969 > > was selling the complete thing new(ish) through > > www.onsale.com for aprox $90 plus $10 transpo a month ago. > > > > This will not save you any money but you do get a free CD-ROM out of the > > deal .;-} > > > > Also check with > > www.usapc.com for your part # > > and > > http://www.acsparts.com/thinkpads/parts.html > > > > > > > From cph Thu Oct 7 23:22:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA08781 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:22:04 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13780; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:14:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13625; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13612; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:14:44 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA22066; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:14:36 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001301bf113b$428c5920$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" Cc: References: <0.1a1f2228.252e7b49@aol.com> <003901bf1119$481edce0$03785a8e@pmachule> <000b01bf1120$0ed92240$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> <008e01bf1131$32941b20$03785a8e@pmachule> Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA 4X CDROM 1969008 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:14:38 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > thanks for correcting me . > and thanks for doing it so gently ;-} Didn't mean to communicate any attitude; I'm sick and busy and was typing fast. (Anyway, my observation that the 8-20X is now selling for more than you and I paid should make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, and make up for any inadvertant terseness!) > I'm very surpised that they are not interchangeable ... The connectors on the cards are quite different, though when the cable is plugged into the card it looks just like the 4X. The new design is a bit of an improvement, in that it is easier to orient it correctly than the old one. > Was the joystick feature added with the 8X-20 ? It isn't there on my 4X, though there *might* be a connector on the version of the 4X that had integral sound. There are some other intriguing differences as well, for example some very minor size differences. > Is the connecting cable at least the same ?? No, though (as I said) it *looks* the same when plugged in. - David From cph Fri Oct 8 05:01:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA09755 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:01:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01777; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 04:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 8 Oct 1999 04:57:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01597; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 04:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01583; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 04:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Oct 1999 04:57:23 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (cube.az.com [216.145.8.237]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA15914 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 01:57:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199910080857.BAA15914@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Fri, 08 Oct 99 02:05:15 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: help! List-Unsubscribe: Hello everyone, I have a problem. My TP 365XD is no longer detecting the AC power adapter. I plug it into the laptop and it stays on battery. I have drained a full battery before noticing it ( hey, in the past I just plug it in and go). Now I have a port replicator. I plugged the AC adapter into it and tried powering the TP that way. No charge light (and I have run it like that before w/ no problems). I undocked the replicator, and took the battery out of the TP and plugged it into the back of the replicator (since it has the ability to charge a battery). It gave me no charge light either. Now...by my own twisted insane form of logic.... is it safe to assume (that dangerous word) that I have a bad AC adaptor? And do they still make AC adaptors for the TP 365XD or is there a 3rd party solution? Anyones help/advice/prayers/good karma will be greatly appreciated. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Fri Oct 8 09:50:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA10690 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:50:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23399; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:47:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23172; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23155; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:46:56 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04286; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37FDF5C4.C7095D30@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 09:46:44 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Kress CC: mike , peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux support for thinkpad 760E ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: In my experience with 760C and E, you have to first boot DOS, run a ps2 command to fire up the Mwave audio drivers (sound blaster mode), and then warm boot linux with loadlin. Yuck. I am so glad that the 600 and 770 (at least) have real (non-Mwave) audio hardware that can be used directly in Linux. --Lee Hetherington From cph Fri Oct 8 09:59:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA10742 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:59:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24589; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:57:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24344; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24326; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (198.206.134.26 -> chickasaw.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:56:52 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-444.gate.net [199.227.173.190]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA70224; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:54:13 -0400 Message-ID: <37FDF815.FFFFD0D7@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 09:56:37 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LightSide CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: help! References: <199910080857.BAA15914@www.az.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Robert... 1. have you checked the output from the AC adapter..?? if so, and there is none, then ergo, the ac adapter has gone byebye.. if so, and there IS output, and the 365 operates on the ac adapter, then the battery go byebye.. 2. ANY round plug AC adapter will work in the 365E or X series.. said it here before, 365, 560, 600, 701, 770.. and probably the "i" series and the 380/385 and 390 AC adapters will ALL work.. (nothing said about output and battery charge times).. :-) LightSide wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have a problem. My TP 365XD is no longer detecting the AC power adapter. I plug it into the laptop and it > stays on battery. I have drained a full battery before noticing it ( hey, in the past I just plug it in and go). > > Now I have a port replicator. I plugged the AC adapter into it and tried powering the TP that way. No charge > light (and I have run it like that before w/ no problems). I undocked the replicator, and took the battery out of > the TP and plugged it into the back of the replicator (since it has the ability to charge a battery). It gave me no > charge light either. > > Now...by my own twisted insane form of logic.... is it safe to assume (that dangerous word) that I have a bad > AC adaptor? And do they still make AC adaptors for the TP 365XD or is there a 3rd party solution? > > Anyones help/advice/prayers/good karma will be greatly appreciated. > > Robert > > Robert Mears > Certified Key and Button Pusher > robertm@az.com > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Fri Oct 8 13:03:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA11923 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:03:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08055; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:55:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07871; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07852; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:55:30 -0400 Received: from NEWPAD (mg136-215.ricochet.net [204.179.136.215]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA21090; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:55:09 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: , "Bill Morrow" , Subject: RE: blue trackpoint covers Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:55:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <37FA2E73.B2043B1C@netzero.net> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > 4. My index finger is beginning to show the "occupationally > caused finger dimple shown by users of certain laptops" > which is documented in the "International Journal of > Computer Related Finger Pathologies" on the shelves > of all good Tongue-in-Cheek libraries. You too, eh? The only cure for this occupational injury is to stop using a ThinkPad. That's clearly a case of the cure being worse than the disease. But there is a preventative therapy that can minimize its severity: Change the TrackPoint cap more often. When the cap wears down and loses its rough texture, you naturally compensate by using more finger pressure. Replace it with a new one and it's amazing how light a touch it takes by comparison. -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Fri Oct 8 14:26:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA12450 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:26:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14181; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:17:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13893; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13873; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.41 -> mail8.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:17:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 90 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 1999 18:17:24 -0000 Received: from pppa56-tucson20-5r692.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.205.102) by mail8.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 8 Oct 1999 18:17:24 -0000 Message-ID: <37FE353B.A656DB7B@netzero.net> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:17:31 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: blue trackpoint covers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Michael Geary wrote: > > > 4. My index finger is beginning to show the "occupationally > > caused finger dimple shown by users of certain laptops" > > which is documented in the "International Journal of > > Computer Related Finger Pathologies" on the shelves > > of all good Tongue-in-Cheek libraries. > > You too, eh? Yes. I had to decide whether to get a finger transplant or new trackpoint covers... but as my HMO wouldn't cover the transplant... > The only cure for this occupational injury is to stop using a ThinkPad. That would be insane, unthinkable, an anachronistic return to the stone age, etc. > That's clearly a case of the cure being worse than the disease. But there is > a preventative therapy that can minimize its severity: Change the TrackPoint > cap more often. I just did *again*... I've changed them about each 2 months and might begin to increase the frequency of change. Now I have already 7 worn out covers that I could offer on eBay as "smooth surfaced track points" . I hope genetic engineering can design a gene for some kind of organism to grow rough tissue with the texture and shape of a trackpoint cover. Then we could harvest them, when needed, from a natural supply growing at home. The reverse of Velcro(tm) which was developed imitating the skin of (? Oops, I forgot it...). > When the cap wears down and loses its rough texture, you naturally > compensate by using more finger pressure. Replace it with a new one and it's > amazing how light a touch it takes by comparison. IBM should develop a trackpoint-pressure meter that rings an alarm when it's time to change the cover. Such a development could be funded by the generous profits generated by the sales of the covers themselves. > -Mike > > ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ JC == __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Fri Oct 8 16:30:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA13309 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:30:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19490; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:19:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19161; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19146; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:19:13 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA25211; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:19:04 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001a01bf11c1$fdfc6480$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "LightSide" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" References: <199910080857.BAA15914@www.az.com> Subject: Re: help! Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:19:06 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > Now...by my own twisted insane form of logic.... is it safe to assume (that dangerous word) that I have a bad > AC adaptor? And do they still make AC adaptors for the TP 365XD or is there a 3rd party solution? This is one of the few laptop problems that is very easily user-diagnosed; just throw a voltmeter on it. - David From cph Sat Oct 9 04:22:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA15477 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 04:22:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19909; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 03:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 03:06:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17239; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 03:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17226; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 03:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp2.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 03:06:54 -0400 Received: from leland.stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id AAA02773 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 00:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37FEEA31.37526F99@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 00:09:37 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: EZServe and my 560X - update References: <36574FC9.75C59CC@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My 560X came today. Unfortunately FedEx did not get anyone to sign for it - they just left it outside my door even though there were stickers on the box saying SIGNATURE REQUIRED and that release of signature requirement was not possible. Sigh... Anyway, back to my 560X. They replaced the keyboard and keyboard bezel as I requested. In addition, it seems my 560X had a defective screen - I thought its dimness was normal, but they put in a new screen which is much brighter. The final touch is a nice new trackpoint cover :-) In summary, I had to go to some trouble to get my repairs done - total downtime was exactly one week - but in the end it was resolved. Once they decided to fix it, it got back to me in 2 days. Outstanding. My faith in IBM has been renewed. From cph Sat Oct 9 05:12:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA15635 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 05:12:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26350; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 05:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 05:08:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26248; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 05:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26226; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 05:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (159.199.101.3 -> orpheus.amdahl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 05:08:24 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by orpheus.amdahl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16062 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com (minerva.amdahl.com [129.212.33.25]) by orpheus.amdahl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA16058 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m11ZsTS-000GCJC; Sat, 9 Oct 99 02:07 PDT Received: from eng.amdahl.com by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id CAA17672; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eng.amdahl.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id CAA02796; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:12:48 -0700 Message-ID: <19991009021247.23159@eng.amdahl.com> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:12:47 -0700 From: Serenella Ciongoli To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: eTracks.com - SAVE $$$ on an IBM Thinkpad factory refurb. laptop! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I just received this ad. It is a TP365x, 16mb, 1.08GB HD, win95, refurbished by IBM, 1yr warranty. I have bought other items from ETracks, and have been satisfied with them. They contribute a small percentega of the prices to various good causes. Serenella Ciongoli -----Forwarded message from "eTracks.com" ----- From: staffhelp@etracks.com (eTracks.com) Subject: eTracks.com - SAVE $$$ on an IBM Thinkpad factory refurb. laptop! SAVE $$$ ON AN IBM THINKPAD FACTORY REFURBISHED LAPTOP AT ETRACKS.COM(TM)! Purchasing a laptop can be a financially-prohibitive venture for many of us. Let's face it...they're expensive! Right now at eTracks.com(tm) however, we have a great deal for the majority of us (i.e., those who don't need to be working on special effects for the next JURASSIC PARK movie). It's an IBM ThinkPad laptop for only $649! It's a high-quality machine for around half what you'd expect to pay for a name brand laptop! Follow this link and save literally hundreds of dollars: http://www.etracks.com/r/r0.4?X3WVz58y-SYwKtdLUrgQsajuqu2EOG2Gqmz0Xju45 EXCELLENT FOR STUDENTS, HOMEMAKERS, OR JUST BARGAIN HUNTERS With such a great deal on a factory-refurbished laptop, EVERYONE can finally enjoy the fine attributes of owning a portable computer. Students can use it in class to take notes or write papers; homemakers will need it for bookkeeping or remaining in touch with friends; and small-business people can keep all their books themselves without hiring expensive accountants. http://www.etracks.com/r/r0.4?X3WVz58y-SYwKtdLsFm-386gDgkrWQkQDViNS6g46 IT'S AN IBM THINKPAD: ONE OF THE BEST LAPTOPS IN THE BUSINESS! At a price like this, you might expect an off-brand name, but this laptop has been designed by the masters at IBM! It includes an Intel Pentium 133MHz CPU, 16MB RAM, 1.08 GB HD, 4x CD-ROM, and an 11.3 inch LCD screen. And to help you save money, but still ensure an excellent machine, these laptops have been factory-refurbished by the experts at IBM. Everything has been carefully checked and is in superior condition. http://www.etracks.com/r/r0.4?X3WVz58y-SYwKtdLmZSJVdlXjXTDLoToj7rw8lX47 No, this laptop isn't a brand-new 700MHz Athlon desktop, but that's to your advantage! A) It's not going to cost as much as a small country like the new super-monsters do; B) It's portable! This is the perfect deal for those of you who have been searching high and low for an affordable laptop. You'll save hundreds (literally!) over other portable computers, but still be assured of receiving the high quality for which IBM is renowned! Best regards! eTracks.com(tm) -----End of forwarded message----- From cph Sat Oct 9 12:29:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA16732 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:29:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15510; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:26:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15182; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.roadrunner.nf.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15138; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.roadrunner.nf.net (192.75.13.117 -> loca.thezone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:26:44 -0400 Received: from wheeler (wiley243h045.roadrunner.nf.net [205.251.243.45]) by mail.roadrunner.nf.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA24851 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:56:41 -0230 (NDT) Message-ID: <001201bf1273$2b1504c0$2df3fbcd@roadrunner.nf.net> From: "Bill W" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: [Thinkpad 390E]help findind DVD Express Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:57:23 -0230 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I need a copy of Mediametrix DVD Express.I have the upgrade downloaded but i am missing the File that installs the player. I have bought the IBM thinkpad 390E with DVD drive and with no cd's(software). You can download most drivers from IBM.com except for the DVD player.Only the upgrad. The used laptop store i bought it from said i can download it from the net but i cant find it anyware. Can someone send me the player?? Thanks for your help. BILL From cph Sat Oct 9 12:35:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA16744 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:34:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15507; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:26:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15151; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15120; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:26:40 -0400 Received: from fpgcswgi (mg128-191.ricochet.net [204.179.128.191]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA18831 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:26:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991009092616.0079b690@ricochet.net> X-Sender: mike760@ricochet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 09:26:16 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: mike Subject: 760xl and track point Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I just bought a 760xl. It seems the track point is not as responsive as the one on my 1412. It seems slower and I do have it to go as fast as possible. Is there a way to make it even go faster? I had a 760ed and it was much faster than this one. Thanks, Mike From cph Sat Oct 9 12:36:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA16756 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:36:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16513; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:34:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16239; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front5.grolier.fr (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16170; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front5.grolier.fr (194.158.96.55 -> front5.grolier.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:33:50 -0400 Received: from chri07 (ppp-113-226.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.113.226]) by front5.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id SAA25751 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:33:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001301bf1274$0e733200$e2719ec2@chri07> From: "Christophe Majewski" To: Subject: IR connection to Motorola mobile Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:33:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01BF1284.CFF3AEE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BF1284.CFF3AEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Finnaly I succeeded to get conected to the net via IR com port and my IR = Motorola tri-band. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BF1284.CFF3AEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Finnaly I succeeded to get conected to the net via = IR com port=20 and my IR Motorola tri-band.
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BF1284.CFF3AEE0-- From cph Sat Oct 9 12:43:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA16772 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:43:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17348; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:41:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17199; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17163; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (216.231.41.3 -> grace.speakeasy.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:40:52 -0400 Received: from 770Z (01-018.011.popsite.net [192.216.200.18]) by grace.speakeasy.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25801; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:40:29 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991009123855.00a66038@mail.speakeasy.org> X-Sender: rchalk@mail.speakeasy.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 12:40:19 -0400 To: "Bill W" , "Thinkpad List" From: Richard Chalk Subject: Re: [Thinkpad 390E]help findind DVD Express In-Reply-To: <001201bf1273$2b1504c0$2df3fbcd@roadrunner.nf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I have a software disk from my 770Z that includes it. I could make you a copy, on CD, if you'll reimburse blank disk & Postage - say $5.00?? Richard At 01:57 PM 10/9/1999 -02-30, Bill W wrote: >I need a copy of Mediametrix DVD Express.I have the upgrade downloaded >but i am missing the File that installs the player. >I have bought the IBM thinkpad 390E with DVD drive and with no >cd's(software). >You can download most drivers from IBM.com except for the DVD player.Only >the upgrad. >The used laptop store i bought it from said i can download it from the net >but i cant find it anyware. >Can someone send me the player?? > >Thanks for your help. >BILL > From cph Sat Oct 9 14:37:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17023 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:37:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21154; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:33:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21036; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21009; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:33:37 -0400 Received: from NEWPAD (mg-20425426-27.ricochet.net [204.254.26.27]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA26470; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:27:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Serenella Ciongoli" , Subject: RE: eTracks.com - SAVE $$$ on an IBM Thinkpad factory refurb. laptop! Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:27:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <19991009021247.23159@eng.amdahl.com> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > I just received this ad. It is a TP365x, 16mb, 1.08GB HD, win95, > refurbished by IBM, 1yr warranty. . . $649 Even considering that it's IBM refurbished and has a one-year warranty, this seems a bit steep for what you're getting. Note that it's got a dual scan display, not TFT. By way of comparison, OutletZoo has a number of ThinkPads listed. Go here: http://outletzoo.com/zoos/buyer/pczoo.asp and then click on "Notebooks". For example, there's a 760EL with P120, 32Mb, 1.2Gb, 12.1" 800x600 TFT, for $549. Other than a slightly slower CPU, this is a much nicer machine. But it does have only a 90 day warranty, and the warranty is through UniTech, not IBM. So I guess there are tradeoffs. -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Sat Oct 9 14:46:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17045 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:46:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21867; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:44:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21791; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21777; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (198.206.134.30 -> pima.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:44:38 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-87.gate.net [207.36.212.87]) by pima.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA207144; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:41:41 -0400 Message-ID: <37FF8C7E.385766E4@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 14:42:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Serenella Ciongoli CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: eTracks.com - SAVE $$$ on an IBM Thinkpad factory refurb. laptop! References: <19991009021247.23159@eng.amdahl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: FWIW, i would find a good used 760X or 765 rather than get a non TFT display.. Serenella Ciongoli wrote: > Hi all, > > I just received this ad. It is a TP365x, 16mb, 1.08GB HD, win95, > refurbished by IBM, 1yr warranty. > > I have bought other items from ETracks, and have been satisfied with them. > They contribute a small percentega of the prices to various good causes. > > Serenella Ciongoli > > -----Forwarded message from "eTracks.com" ----- > > From: staffhelp@etracks.com (eTracks.com) > Subject: eTracks.com - SAVE $$$ on an IBM Thinkpad factory refurb. laptop! > > SAVE $$$ ON AN IBM THINKPAD FACTORY REFURBISHED LAPTOP AT > ETRACKS.COM(TM)! > > Purchasing a laptop can be a financially-prohibitive venture > for many of us. Let's face it...they're expensive! Right now > at eTracks.com(tm) however, we have a great deal for the > majority of us (i.e., those who don't need to be working on special > effects for the next JURASSIC PARK movie). It's an IBM ThinkPad > laptop for only $649! It's a high-quality machine for around > half what you'd expect to pay for a name brand laptop! > > Follow this link and save literally hundreds of dollars: > > http://www.etracks.com/r/r0.4?X3WVz58y-SYwKtdLUrgQsajuqu2EOG2Gqmz0Xju45 > > EXCELLENT FOR STUDENTS, HOMEMAKERS, OR JUST BARGAIN HUNTERS > > With such a great deal on a factory-refurbished laptop, > EVERYONE can finally enjoy the fine attributes of owning a > portable computer. Students can use it in class to take notes > or write papers; homemakers will need it for bookkeeping or > remaining in touch with friends; and small-business people can > keep all their books themselves without hiring expensive > accountants. > > http://www.etracks.com/r/r0.4?X3WVz58y-SYwKtdLsFm-386gDgkrWQkQDViNS6g46 > > IT'S AN IBM THINKPAD: ONE OF THE BEST LAPTOPS IN THE BUSINESS! > > At a price like this, you might expect an off-brand name, but > this laptop has been designed by the masters at IBM! It > includes an Intel Pentium 133MHz CPU, 16MB RAM, 1.08 GB HD, > 4x CD-ROM, and an 11.3 inch LCD screen. And to help you save > money, but still ensure an excellent machine, these laptops > have been factory-refurbished by the experts at IBM. Everything > has been carefully checked and is in superior condition. > > http://www.etracks.com/r/r0.4?X3WVz58y-SYwKtdLmZSJVdlXjXTDLoToj7rw8lX47 > > No, this laptop isn't a brand-new 700MHz Athlon desktop, but > that's to your advantage! A) It's not going to cost as > much as a small country like the new super-monsters do; > B) It's portable! This is the perfect deal for those of you > who have been searching high and low for an affordable laptop. > You'll save hundreds (literally!) over other portable > computers, but still be assured of receiving the high quality > for which IBM is renowned! > > Best regards! > > eTracks.com(tm) > > -----End of forwarded message----- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sat Oct 9 14:56:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17066 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:56:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22582; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:53:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22421; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22398; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:53:33 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-87.gate.net [207.36.212.87]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA61582; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:50:48 -0400 Message-ID: <37FF8E8F.AA58B272@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 14:50:55 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: Serenella Ciongoli , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: eTracks.com - SAVE $$$ on an IBM Thinkpad factory refurb. laptop! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i agree, but i can't get into outlet zoo to look.. it insists upon me taking its cookie, and that sounds waay too much like, "c'mere little girl, i have a cookie for you" :-) Michael Geary wrote: > > I just received this ad. It is a TP365x, 16mb, 1.08GB HD, win95, > > refurbished by IBM, 1yr warranty. . . $649 > > Even considering that it's IBM refurbished and has a one-year warranty, this > seems a bit steep for what you're getting. Note that it's got a dual scan > display, not TFT. > > By way of comparison, OutletZoo has a number of ThinkPads listed. Go here: > > http://outletzoo.com/zoos/buyer/pczoo.asp > > and then click on "Notebooks". > > For example, there's a 760EL with P120, 32Mb, 1.2Gb, 12.1" 800x600 TFT, for > $549. Other than a slightly slower CPU, this is a much nicer machine. But it > does have only a 90 day warranty, and the warranty is through UniTech, not > IBM. So I guess there are tradeoffs. > > -Mike > > ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sat Oct 9 15:10:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17108 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:10:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23615; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:07:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23510; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs4.bu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23484; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:07:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from acs4.bu.edu (128.197.153.40 -> ACS4.BU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:07:06 -0400 Received: (from aturley@localhost) by acs4.bu.edu ((8.9.3.buoit.v1.0.ACS)/) id PAA200526 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:07:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199910091907.PAA200526@acs4.bu.edu> Subject: MS-DOS mwave drivers for 755CX To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:07:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I downloaded the mwave drivers that IBM claimed were for MS-DOS and Windows, but I can't seem to install them with MS-DOS. The program keeps insisting that it will run under windows. I don't have windows. Any suggestion on how I can get these drivers for MS-DOS? I'm trying to set up sound under Linux and I heard that if you boot to DOS, start the drivers, then boot Linux using loadlin that things will work. andy -- "To kill everyone is rather difficult . . . unless you have super-human powers . . . or a weather machine." -Heidi Blobaum 8.3.1998 From cph Sat Oct 9 15:17:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17134 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:16:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24238; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:15:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24153; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24138; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:14:52 -0400 Received: from NEWPAD (mg136-177.ricochet.net [204.179.136.177]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA29528; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:14:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "mike" , Subject: RE: eTracks.com - SAVE $$$ on an IBM Thinkpad factory refurb. laptop! Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:14:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991009114846.0079cc70@ricochet.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > Well, I just bought a 760xl P166MMX/16/2.1/12.1 at Egghead.com for $699. I > guess they are all in the ball park, of that price. I got it last > night and > it looks pretty damn new. For a machine that is at least 2 years old it > looks just as good as my 1412. The only reason was the size. It is much > easier to lug the 760 around in my back pack than the 1412. Mike I saw that listing at Egghead too. It sounds like a nice value! (It also says they are almost out of them. ) The ad sounds like these are IBM-refurbished, not third-party-refurbished, is that right? -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Sat Oct 9 15:26:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17150 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:26:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25122; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:24:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24902; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24847; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:24:12 -0400 Received: from fpgcswgi (mg-20425426-131.ricochet.net [204.254.26.131]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA00201; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:24:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991009122344.0079c410@ricochet.net> X-Sender: mike760@ricochet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 12:23:44 -0700 To: "Michael Geary" , From: mike Subject: RE: eTracks.com - SAVE $$$ on an IBM Thinkpad factory refurb. laptop! In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.19991009114846.0079cc70@ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:14 PM 10/9/99 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: >> Well, I just bought a 760xl P166MMX/16/2.1/12.1 at Egghead.com for $699. I >> guess they are all in the ball park, of that price. I got it last >> night and >> it looks pretty damn new. For a machine that is at least 2 years old it >> looks just as good as my 1412. The only reason was the size. It is much >> easier to lug the 760 around in my back pack than the 1412. Mike > >I saw that listing at Egghead too. It sounds like a nice value! (It also >says they are almost out of them. ) The ad sounds like these are >IBM-refurbished, not third-party-refurbished, is that right? > >-Mike > Yea it came in a IBM box. The parts list was from IBM also. So I assume that IBM did refurb them. Mike From cph Sat Oct 9 15:28:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17156 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:28:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25219; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:24:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24951; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24862; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:24:15 -0400 Received: from NEWPAD (mg136-177.ricochet.net [204.179.136.177]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA29743; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:17:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Serenella Ciongoli" , Subject: RE: eTracks.com - SAVE $$$ on an IBM Thinkpad factory refurb. laptop! Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:17:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <37FF8E8F.AA58B272@icanect.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > i agree, but i can't get into outlet zoo to look.. > it insists upon me taking its cookie, and that sounds waay too much like, > "c'mere little girl, i have a cookie for you" :-) You have cookies turned off? I've never understood why anyone worried about cookies, but that's a bit too far off topic for this mailing list. But I do have to ask: How in the world do you use the following site? It doesn't work for me unless I have cookies turned on: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Sat Oct 9 15:28:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17160 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:28:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25633; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:26:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25461; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Viola.Opus1.COM (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25379; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Viola.Opus1.COM (192.245.12.8 -> Viola.Opus1.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:26:23 -0400 Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.2-31 #9830) id <01JGXHU3HDA89T7BQQ@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:26:12 MST Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 12:15:11 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: MS-DOS mwave drivers for 755CX In-reply-to: "Your message dated Sat, 09 Oct 1999 15:07:04 -0400 (EDT)" <199910091907.PAA200526@acs4.bu.edu> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01JGXIH6TGTE9T7BQQ@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: aturley@bu.edu writes - > I downloaded the mwave drivers that IBM claimed were for MS-DOS and Windows, > but I can't seem to install them with MS-DOS. The program keeps insisting > that it will run under windows. I don't have windows. Which Mwave version did you get? I'm using 2.22 which I believe is the last 28k8 one, as the ones that do 33k6 turn off the sound when they go past 28k8. V2.22 is also where (I believe) IBM went from two different sets of software, one for dos and one for windows, to just one that does both. I think the dos commands also changed around that time - now I do MWAVE START under dos to fire it up, there are also MWAVE ON (starts at the speed it last used) and MWAVE OFF to unload it all. So - maybe you need an older version of the Mwave package? If they're not still on IBM's ftp site I'm pretty sure I have copies of some of the packages but it would take a little time to dig them up... Billy Y.. From cph Sat Oct 9 16:04:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17273 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:04:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27757; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:01:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27614; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27492; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:01:06 -0400 Received: from NEWPAD (mg-20425426-27.ricochet.net [204.254.26.27]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02759; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:00:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "David Ross" Cc: Subject: RE: Thinkpad cookies (was: Re: eTracks.com - SAVE $$$ on an IBM Thinkpad factory refurb. laptop! Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:01:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <002b01bf1290$3ff6e940$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > Here's a related question. When one registers one's TP at www.pc.ibm.com > you can elect to keep your name/passwd as a cookie so you don't > have to re-enter them. However, I always seem to have to re-enter > these when I return to that site. What am I doing wrong? Probably nothing. I've never seen that one work either, with various browsers. It's much less bothersome than it used to be, since I started using IE5 and its splendid auto-complete feature. -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Sat Oct 9 17:19:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA17462 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:19:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00644; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:17:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00535; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00520; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (198.206.134.26 -> chickasaw.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:17:30 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-387.gate.net [199.227.173.133]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA62800; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:17:20 -0400 Message-ID: <37FFB0E6.68E4D762@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 17:17:26 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: Serenella Ciongoli , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: eTracks.com - now COOKIES, NO, well, ok maybe, but i'll select which cookie References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: AND.. Cookies, despinte the benign name, can be more than just way to identify yourself to another server.. most are benign, some do omre and can gather information that you don't want gathered, and some can be downright dangerous.. all my cookie does is id the user.. Michael Geary wrote: > > i agree, but i can't get into outlet zoo to look.. > > it insists upon me taking its cookie, and that sounds waay too much like, > > "c'mere little girl, i have a cookie for you" :-) > > You have cookies turned off? I've never understood why anyone worried about > cookies, but that's a bit too far off topic for this mailing list. > > But I do have to ask: How in the world do you use the following site? It > doesn't work for me unless I have cookies turned on: > > http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > -Mike > > ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sat Oct 9 17:24:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA17480 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:24:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01096; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:22:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00983; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00970; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (198.206.134.26 -> chickasaw.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:22:36 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-387.gate.net [199.227.173.133]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA71796; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:22:27 -0400 Message-ID: <37FFB02E.68431B6@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 17:14:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: Serenella Ciongoli , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: eTracks.com - SAVE $$$ on an IBM Thinkpad factory refurb. laptop! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Touche', but then i know who baked 'em.. :-) Michael Geary wrote: > > i agree, but i can't get into outlet zoo to look.. > > it insists upon me taking its cookie, and that sounds waay too much like, > > "c'mere little girl, i have a cookie for you" :-) > > You have cookies turned off? I've never understood why anyone worried about > cookies, but that's a bit too far off topic for this mailing list. > > But I do have to ask: How in the world do you use the following site? It > doesn't work for me unless I have cookies turned on: > > http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > -Mike > > ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sat Oct 9 17:33:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA17499 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:33:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02176; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:32:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02090; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02077; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:31:54 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.14.18]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991009213149.CELX19487@compaq>; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:31:49 +0000 Message-ID: <37FFDE46.6833@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 17:31:02 -0700 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill W CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: [Thinkpad 390E]help findind DVD Express References: <001201bf1273$2b1504c0$2df3fbcd@roadrunner.nf.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: www.dvdutils.com Bill W wrote: > > I need a copy of Mediametrix DVD Express.I have the upgrade downloaded > but i am missing the File that installs the player. > I have bought the IBM thinkpad 390E with DVD drive and with no > cd's(software). > You can download most drivers from IBM.com except for the DVD player.Only > the upgrad. > The used laptop store i bought it from said i can download it from the net > but i cant find it anyware. > Can someone send me the player?? > > Thanks for your help. > BILL From cph Sun Oct 10 10:09:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA28631 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:09:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10777; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:07:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10632; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10618; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.prserv.net (165.87.194.229 -> out2.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:06:59 -0400 Received: from slip-32-101-237-141.az.us.prserv.net (slip-32-101-237-141.az.us.prserv.net [32.101.237.141]) by out2.prserv.net (/) with SMTP id OAA22760 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:06:55 GMT From: tdwis@attglobal.net (Ted Wiseman) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM 56K PCMCIA modem Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:06:52 GMT Message-ID: <37ff9e2a.13283173@smtp2.attglobal.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA28632 Does anyone on this list own or have experience using the IBM 56K PCMCIA modem, model #10L7393? http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?partnum=10L7393&cntry=840&lang=en_US It's apparently a Windows-only modem, and although I've heard cautions from others about Winmodems in general and on laptops specifically, the price - around $60 - is hard to beat, and supposedly it uses MHz/3Com chipset. I've heard cautions about Winmodems in general, and on laptops specifically (mine is a TP701 DX4/75), but the USR 56K Winmodem in my desktop system performs very well. Comments? From cph Sun Oct 10 10:26:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA28656 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:26:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11586; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:24:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11427; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11390; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:24:29 -0400 Received: from denhall (tc2-09.ismi.net [205.216.96.64]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA10205; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003d01bf1333$e496a140$4060d8cd@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "Ted Wiseman" , Subject: Re: IBM 56K PCMCIA modem -- Xircom Instead? Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:26:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello Ted, I think the IBM modem you're speaking of is a pretty good modem, but as you say, it is a "Winmodem"... In case you're interested, I have some Xircom 56K PCMCIA v.90 modems available for $50...and these are REAL modems : ) Lifetime Warrantied by Xircom. Retail is $149+. Just FYI, these are Unused *pulls* from a local corporation which uses laptops for hotel automation systems...They immediately remove modems/cdroms/HD's >from brand new Toshiba laptops and set aside... The modems are new, and modem cables are still in unopened bags.... Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan 810.229.2881 -----Original Message----- From: Ted Wiseman To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, October 10, 1999 9:10 AM Subject: IBM 56K PCMCIA modem >Does anyone on this list own or have experience using the IBM 56K >PCMCIA modem, model #10L7393? >http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?partnum=10L7393&cntr y=840&lang=en_US > It's apparently a Windows-only modem, and although I've heard >cautions from others about Winmodems in general and on laptops >specifically, the price - around $60 - is hard to beat, and supposedly >it uses MHz/3Com chipset. > >I've heard cautions about Winmodems in general, and on laptops >specifically (mine is a TP701 DX4/75), but the USR 56K Winmodem in my >desktop system performs very well. Comments? > > > From cph Sun Oct 10 10:36:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA28671 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:36:57 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12247; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:35:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12086; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12073; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.prserv.net (165.87.194.252 -> out1.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:35:22 -0400 Received: from attglobal.net (slip-32-101-237-141.az.us.prserv.net [32.101.237.141]) by out1.prserv.net (/) with ESMTP id OAA59438; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:35:18 GMT Message-ID: <3800A422.C0D723F7@attglobal.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 07:35:14 -0700 From: Ted Wiseman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {U S WEST.net} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Denis Hall CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM 56K PCMCIA modem -- Xircom Instead? References: <003d01bf1333$e496a140$4060d8cd@denhall> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Denis Hall wrote: > I think the IBM modem you're speaking of is a pretty good modem, but as > you say, it is a "Winmodem"... Is there a proven problem w/Winmodems, and if so what exactly is it? As I said, I use one in my desktop system with excellent results. > In case you're interested, I have some Xircom 56K PCMCIA v.90 modems > available for $50...and these are REAL modems : ) Though I've never used one, either PC Mag or PC World tested the Xircom PCMCIA recently and found its performance to be inferior to the 3Com/MHz in throughput rates. From cph Sun Oct 10 10:43:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA28694 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:43:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12752; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:41:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12589; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12576; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:41:26 -0400 Received: from mmax36.vramp.net (mmax36.vramp.net [198.138.8.99]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA16982 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910101441.KAA16982@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:02:47 -0400 Subject: Re: IBM 56K PCMCIA modem Reply-to: captjhem@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <37ff9e2a.13283173@smtp2.attglobal.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) List-Unsubscribe: On 10 Oct 99, at 14:06, Ted Wiseman wrote: > I've heard cautions about Winmodems in general, and on laptops > specifically (mine is a TP701 DX4/75), but the USR 56K Winmodem in my > desktop system performs very well. Comments? Ted, if you're not running a Pentium Thinkpad, don't even consider a Winmodem. Check the list of Hardware Prerequisites under the specs for this unit and you'll notice that they're all Pentiums. It's very rare to find a late model V90 compliant Winmodem that doesn't require at least a Pent/166. Regards, James From cph Sun Oct 10 10:49:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA28703 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:49:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13316; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:48:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13195; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13182; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.1 -> sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:48:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 4542 invoked by alias); 10 Oct 1999 14:48:10 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 4528 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 1999 14:48:08 -0000 Received: from dialupz135.sttl.uswest.net (HELO peter) (216.161.242.135) by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 10 Oct 1999 14:48:08 -0000 From: "p machule" To: "thinkpad" Subject: Thinkpad 560E 166MMX 2.1GB 12.1 Active $659 NEW ! Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:48:35 -0700 Message-ID: <01bf1347$acf1d980$87f2a1d8@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: http://necxdirect.necx.com/hai/prod_page.html?key=0000139865&nonce=guest This is in NECX's outlet section . They indiacte that there is only a 5 day warranty (theirs ) but I rather doubt it. All items I've bought from this section have said the same thing and they always had full warranties. Anyway ,it's a much better deal than those passive matrix 365 's that we talked about a few days ago . Yuck The one small problem is finding a sub $100 CD-Rom solution for them. Peter I wonder if Doug would give us a special thinkpad mailing list deal ;-} From cph Sun Oct 10 11:06:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA28736 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:06:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14216; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:04:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14042; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14029; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:04:39 -0400 Received: from denhall (tc2-09.ismi.net [205.216.96.64]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA15644; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005a01bf1339$8238fe20$4060d8cd@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "Ted Wiseman" Cc: Subject: Re: IBM 56K PCMCIA modem -- Xircom Instead? Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:07:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Ted, as I said in my initial response, the IBM is a good modem... but as a WinModem, it doesn't suit needs for persons who still do DOS (or other) based applications for fax/data transfer... Additionally, I think these WinModems require use of the processor and you must have Pentium level to use... FWIW, my experience with Xircom products has been very satisfying and their website support and upgrade capabilities are outstanding too. If your needs for a WinModem are met by the IBM, then I think it would be an excellent choice for you. If, however, you need additional capabilities, then this Xircom is still a good choice.. Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan 810.229.2881 -----Original Message----- From: Ted Wiseman To: Denis Hall Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, October 10, 1999 9:35 AM Subject: Re: IBM 56K PCMCIA modem -- Xircom Instead? > > >Denis Hall wrote: > >> I think the IBM modem you're speaking of is a pretty good modem, but as >> you say, it is a "Winmodem"... > >Is there a proven problem w/Winmodems, and if so what >exactly is it? As I said, I use one in my desktop system >with excellent results. > >> In case you're interested, I have some Xircom 56K PCMCIA v.90 modems >> available for $50...and these are REAL modems : ) > >Though I've never used one, either PC Mag or PC World tested >the Xircom PCMCIA recently and found its performance to be >inferior to the 3Com/MHz in throughput rates. > From cph Sun Oct 10 15:39:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA29393 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:39:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23172; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:35:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22981; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22926; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:35:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 6104 invoked by uid 66); 10 Oct 1999 19:38:53 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Sun Oct 10 19:38:53 1999 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id 61BE86011; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:56:27 +0200 (CEST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Path: not-for-mail From: Harald Milz Newsgroups: local.ml.thinkpad Subject: Re: IBM 56K PCMCIA modem Date: 10 Oct 1999 17:56:27 GMT Organization: Linux.DE Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7tqk0b$3kt$2@seneca.muc.de> References: <37ff9e2a.13283173@smtp2.attglobal.net> Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost X-Trace: seneca.muc.de 939578187 3741 127.0.0.1 (10 Oct 1999 17:56:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@seneca.muc.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 1999 17:56:27 GMT X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990517 ("Psychonaut") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.10-hm (i586)) Sender: news@seneca.muc.de List-Unsubscribe: Ted Wiseman wrote: > It's apparently a Windows-only modem, and although I've heard > cautions from others about Winmodems in general and on laptops > specifically, the price - around $60 - is hard to beat, and supposedly > it uses MHz/3Com chipset. Yeah great. The definitive trend in real-life IT is to relief the CPU from tasks it isn't really made for, and use specialized I/O processors to handle these tasks. In the PC arena dominated by Microsoft & Intel, the trend is reverse: burden the CPU with shitloads of unrelated stuff and sell faster, more expensive CPUs. If you really calculate your bang for the buck, a slower CPU with a real modem gets you more horsepower and better multitasking. And these Winmodems force you to using Windoze which is really not what the world needs. Ever thought about it? -- "What's the use of a good quotation if you can't change it?" -- Dr. Who From cph Sun Oct 10 15:39:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA29397 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:39:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23168; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:35:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22955; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22925; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:35:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 6095 invoked by uid 66); 10 Oct 1999 19:38:52 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Sun Oct 10 19:38:52 1999 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id 60EC36011; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:50:23 +0200 (CEST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Path: not-for-mail From: Harald Milz Newsgroups: local.ml.thinkpad Subject: Re: IBM 56K PCMCIA modem -- Xircom Instead? Date: 10 Oct 1999 17:50:23 GMT Organization: Linux.DE Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7tqjkv$3kt$1@seneca.muc.de> References: <005a01bf1339$8238fe20$4060d8cd@denhall> Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost X-Trace: seneca.muc.de 939577823 3741 127.0.0.1 (10 Oct 1999 17:50:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@seneca.muc.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 1999 17:50:23 GMT X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990517 ("Psychonaut") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.10-hm (i586)) Sender: news@seneca.muc.de List-Unsubscribe: Denis Hall wrote: > as I said in my initial response, the IBM is a good modem... > but as a WinModem, it doesn't suit needs for persons who still > do DOS (or other) based applications for fax/data transfer... or any other _real_ operating system which don't spend their CPU cycles emulating cheap modem DSPs. >>Though I've never used one, either PC Mag or PC World tested >>the Xircom PCMCIA recently and found its performance to be >>inferior to the 3Com/MHz in throughput rates. Rubbish. I have a Xircom Realport REM56G-100 which performs like hell. Not with a Windoze driver though. -- Dave Mack: "Your stupidity, Allen, is simply not up to par." Allen Gwinn: "Yours is." From cph Sun Oct 10 15:46:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA29404 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:46:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24106; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:43:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23997; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23976; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.102 -> pilot002.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:43:51 -0400 Received: from andres (pm452-44.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.150]) by pilot002.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA45054 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:43:47 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991010154344.00accae0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:43:44 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: IBM 56K PCMCIA modem In-Reply-To: <7tqk0b$3kt$2@seneca.muc.de> References: <37ff9e2a.13283173@smtp2.attglobal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I couldn't agree more! --STeve Andre' > >Yeah great. The definitive trend in real-life IT is to relief the CPU from >tasks it isn't really made for, and use specialized I/O processors to >handle these tasks. In the PC arena dominated by Microsoft & Intel, the >trend is reverse: burden the CPU with shitloads of unrelated stuff and >sell faster, more expensive CPUs. If you really calculate your bang for the >buck, a slower CPU with a real modem gets you more horsepower and better >multitasking. And these Winmodems force you to using Windoze which is really >not what the world needs. Ever thought about it? > -- Dr. Wh From cph Mon Oct 11 00:05:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA30771 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:05:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13116; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:00:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12941; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12928; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (198.206.134.26 -> chickasaw.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:00:37 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-403.gate.net [199.227.131.212]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA46388; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:00:25 -0400 Message-ID: <380160E1.D6D86B31@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:00:33 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p machule CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: Thinkpad 560E 166MMX 2.1GB 12.1 Active $659 NEW ! References: <01bf1347$acf1d980$87f2a1d8@peter> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E9878F6247D8C60D7092E8C1" List-Unsubscribe: --------------E9878F6247D8C60D7092E8C1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the warranty on the 560 series was one year.. p machule wrote: > http://necxdirect.necx.com/hai/prod_page.html?key=0000139865&nonce=guest > > This is in NECX's outlet section . > > They indiacte that there is only a 5 day warranty (theirs ) but I rather doubt it. > All items I've bought from this section have said the same thing and they always had > full warranties. > Anyway ,it's a much better deal than those passive matrix 365 's that we talked about > a few days ago . Yuck > The one small problem is finding a sub $100 CD-Rom solution for them. > > Peter > > I wonder if Doug would give us a special thinkpad mailing list deal ;-} -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) --------------E9878F6247D8C60D7092E8C1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the warranty on the 560 series was one year..

p machule wrote:

http://necxdirect.necx.com/hai/prod_page.html?key=0000139865&nonce=guest

This is in NECX's  outlet section .

They indiacte that there is only a 5 day warranty (theirs ) but I rather doubt it.
All items I've bought from this  section have said the same thing and they always had
full warranties.
Anyway ,it's  a much better deal than those passive matrix 365 's  that we talked about
a few days ago .  Yuck
The one small problem is finding a sub $100 CD-Rom solution for them.

Peter

I wonder if Doug would  give us a special thinkpad mailing list deal ;-}

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www. roadwarriortrading.com
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net

use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames,
any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care..  :-)
  --------------E9878F6247D8C60D7092E8C1-- From cph Mon Oct 11 00:42:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA30931 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:42:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15052; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:39:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14965; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14917; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:38:23 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-66.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.66]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA27678; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991011003821.01352210@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:38:21 -0700 To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: IBM 56K PCMCIA modem In-Reply-To: <7tqk0b$3kt$2@seneca.muc.de> References: <37ff9e2a.13283173@smtp2.attglobal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:56 PM 10/10/1999 GMT, Harald Milz wrote: >Yeah great. The definitive trend in real-life IT is to relief the CPU from >tasks it isn't really made for, and use specialized I/O processors to >handle these tasks. In the PC arena dominated by Microsoft & Intel, the >trend is reverse: burden the CPU with shitloads of unrelated stuff and >sell faster, more expensive CPUs. Or perhaps the manufacturers of the modems want to shave a few $$$ off of the modem devices themselves and offer a device at a lower price and in the process make a few more $$$ themselves whilst switching the burden onto the system's CPU? Right or wrong, a company will do anything to lower costs, increase market share and maximize profits. Your statement reeks of Wintel conspiracy theories! Intel's object is to make CPUs faster and faster. If a company wants to make supporting specialized processors, more power to them, but Intel's mission is to keep increasing the power of their CPUs and make money as a result. Intel's mission is pretty clean cut. What OS you choose to run on their CPUs is, well, your choice. Microsoft......well.....that is where OSwars arise, and it comes down to personal choice that is seperate from the idealogy behind Winmodems (technically, a company could make BEmodems, Linmodems, or Solmodems if the market was big enough and justifiable ). >If you really calculate your bang for the >buck, a slower CPU with a real modem gets you more horsepower and better >multitasking. And these Winmodems force you to using Windoze which is really >not what the world needs. Ever thought about it? > By the very nature of purchasing/obtaining a WINmodem, it is a foregone conclusion that you are running WINdows, no? I would like to see the person who purchased an entire PC and OS around his modem requirements! >;P All bickering aside, like you, I think Winmodems are a bad idea based on the idea that they are tied to the OS (Whether it is Win9x, NT, or even if it was a Unix variant, BeOS, NextStep or whatnot), and in turn CPU processing power. Any and all tasks that can be handled by the peripheral itself should at a reasonable cost, but for the frugal crowd out there, I see the rationale by the manufacturer thinking, "If I can sell more at $30 cheaper per and still maintain my profit margin or even make a little more and at the same time move more units than I would only selling full modems, I will." The core argument is to be AGAINST the idea of CPUs being responsible for tasks that could be offloaded at a reasonable price thus in effect allowing your processor to concentrate on other tasks, not using the idea of Winmodems to bash Windows in this forum. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Oct 11 10:26:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA32610 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:26:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18990; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:12:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18570; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18505; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:12:18 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p27.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.42]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA76151 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910111410.HAA76151@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:11:19 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Pen Services for Windows 3.11 or Windows 95 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know where I can get Pen Services for either Windows 3.11 or Windows 95? I've been looking EVERYWHERE on the web, and can't find anyone who either has a copy for sale, download, etc. Thanks, Paul From cph Mon Oct 11 12:37:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA00772 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:37:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29567; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:30:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29146; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29091; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:29:49 -0400 Received: from lispworks (lispworks.lavielle.com [194.64.21.80]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA12972; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:29:36 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: "Christophe Majewski" , Subject: RE: IR connection to Motorola mobile Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:29:32 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF1416.8FD88130" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001301bf1274$0e733200$e2719ec2@chri07> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF1416.8FD88130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you please report how you managed this to work? In the company I'am working for, we have a customer who uses a Toshiba Satelite Pro 4080 (running Windows 95) and a Siemens Handy which has build in IrDa, Modem and Fax. However, the customer was not able to successfully establish an IrDa communication between with Toshiba and the Handy. Thanks in advance, Valentino Kyriakides -----Original Message----- From: Christophe Majewski [mailto:chri07@club-internet.fr] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 6:34 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IR connection to Motorola mobile Finnaly I succeeded to get conected to the net via IR com port and my IR Motorola tri-band. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF1416.8FD88130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can=20 you please report how you managed this to work?  In the company = I'am=20 working for, we have a customer who uses a Toshiba Satelite Pro 4080 = (running=20 Windows 95) and a Siemens Handy which has build in IrDa, Modem and Fax. = However,=20 the customer was not able to successfully establish an IrDa = communication=20 between with Toshiba and the Handy.
 
Thanks=20 in advance,
 
Valentino Kyriakides
-----Original Message-----
From: Christophe = Majewski=20 [mailto:chri07@club-internet.fr]
Sent: Saturday, October 09, = 1999=20 6:34 PM
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: IR = connection to=20 Motorola mobile

Finnaly I succeeded to get conected to the net via = IR com=20 port and my IR Motorola = tri-band.
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF1416.8FD88130-- From cph Mon Oct 11 12:51:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA00841 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:51:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00829; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:43:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00684; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00666; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:43:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.1 -> imo11.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:43:53 -0400 Received: from JEShoemaker@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id oEFDa14351 (3937) for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.368620d9.25336dc5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:43:49 EDT Subject: Converting to FAT 32? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 List-Unsubscribe: Greetings, I recently purchased a 770X w/8.1GB HDD which has 2 partitions -- C = 2GB (FAT16) & D = 6GB (FAT32). I've been thinking about using the Windows 98 Drive Converter 32 untility to convert C Drive to FAT 32. What would been the disadvantages? Has anyone had problems doing this? TIA, John From cph Mon Oct 11 13:47:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA01184 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:47:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04676; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:43:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04568; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04433; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:41:04 -0400 Received: from denhall (tc1-00.ismi.net [205.216.96.5]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA03890; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004501bf1418$87e0f1e0$0560d8cd@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Pen Services for Windows 3.11 or Windows 95 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:43:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello Paul, I've got a copy of PS20.exe which I believe is what you want. I have a Perfect 360PE that I got set up for Win95 and have kept locked in a bag... keep thinking I'll do something with it someday... I will forward the file to you at your request.. Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan 810.229.2881 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Khoury To: ThinkPad List Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 9:26 AM Subject: Pen Services for Windows 3.11 or Windows 95 >Does anyone know where I can get Pen Services for either Windows 3.11 or Windows 95? >I've been looking EVERYWHERE on the web, and can't find anyone who either has a copy for sale, download, >etc. > >Thanks, > >Paul > > > From cph Mon Oct 11 14:16:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA01378 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:16:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07160; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:13:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07021; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07002; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.109 -> pilot009.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:13:03 -0400 Received: from andres (pm530-34.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.236]) by pilot009.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA83492 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:12:58 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991011141308.00abc140@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:13:08 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? In-Reply-To: <0.368620d9.25336dc5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I did that on my 1451i (two 2G paritions) and I got about 300M back on C:, and have never had a problem. This is on a Win98 system. --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 12:43 PM 10/11/1999 EDT, JEShoemaker@aol.com wrote: >Greetings, > >I recently purchased a 770X w/8.1GB HDD which has >2 partitions -- C = 2GB (FAT16) & D = 6GB (FAT32). >I've been thinking about using the Windows 98 Drive >Converter 32 untility to convert C Drive to FAT 32. > >What would been the disadvantages? > >Has anyone had problems doing this? > >TIA, > >John From cph Mon Oct 11 14:30:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA01484 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:30:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08637; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:27:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08431; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08410; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.41 -> mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:27:20 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.19.26]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991011182713.KQQC16897@compaq>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:27:13 +0000 Message-ID: <38025602.7802@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:26:26 -0700 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? References: <3.0.6.32.19991011141308.00abc140@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: It will change your DVD drive to D: from E:, and cause some problems to get SoftDVD to work. STeve Andre' wrote: > > I did that on my 1451i (two 2G paritions) and I got about 300M back > on C:, and have never had a problem. This is on a Win98 system. > > --STeve Andre' > andres@msu.edu > > At 12:43 PM 10/11/1999 EDT, JEShoemaker@aol.com wrote: > >Greetings, > > > >I recently purchased a 770X w/8.1GB HDD which has > >2 partitions -- C = 2GB (FAT16) & D = 6GB (FAT32). > >I've been thinking about using the Windows 98 Drive > >Converter 32 untility to convert C Drive to FAT 32. > > > >What would been the disadvantages? > > > >Has anyone had problems doing this? > > > >TIA, > > > >John From cph Mon Oct 11 15:14:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA01751 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:14:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12508; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:11:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12383; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12361; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy2.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:11:02 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id MAA01781 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991011110859.00c9d5c0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:08:04 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? In-Reply-To: <0.368620d9.25336dc5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:43 AM 10/11/1999 , JEShoemaker@aol.com wrote: >Greetings, > >I recently purchased a 770X w/8.1GB HDD which has >2 partitions -- C = 2GB (FAT16) & D = 6GB (FAT32). >I've been thinking about using the Windows 98 Drive >Converter 32 untility to convert C Drive to FAT 32. > >What would been the disadvantages? While you CAN do this, there is a certain "security" in knowing That you can boot from a floppy running Dos 2.x or higher and be able to read/write to your hard disk in an emergency. For example, if Windows crashes and will take two days to re configure, you can boot with a floppy and get a copy of the report that is due later today. This is the very same reasoning that many people configure their NT system so that the boot partition is FAT instead of NTFS. The choice is yours. I'm not sure I would change C: to FAT32, especially with 8GB of storage available. -- David Goldman From cph Mon Oct 11 16:37:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA02141 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:37:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20539; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:31:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20308; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20288; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:31:25 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.17.200]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991011203122.JCLE20426@compaq>; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:31:22 +0000 Message-ID: <3802731B.5698@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:30:35 -0700 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Goldman CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? References: <4.2.0.58.19991011110859.00c9d5c0@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: HUH? A Win95/98 startup disk will "see" FAT32 just fine. So will a McAfee Anti-virus floppy. Don;t know what you are referring to! David Goldman wrote: > > At 09:43 AM 10/11/1999 , JEShoemaker@aol.com wrote: > >Greetings, > > > >I recently purchased a 770X w/8.1GB HDD which has > >2 partitions -- C = 2GB (FAT16) & D = 6GB (FAT32). > >I've been thinking about using the Windows 98 Drive > >Converter 32 untility to convert C Drive to FAT 32. > > > >What would been the disadvantages? > > While you CAN do this, there is a certain "security" in knowing > That you can boot from a floppy running Dos 2.x or higher > and be able to read/write to your hard disk in an emergency. > For example, if Windows crashes and will take two days to > re configure, you can boot with a floppy and get a copy of the > report that is due later today. This is the very same reasoning > that many people configure their NT system so that the boot > partition is FAT instead of NTFS. > > The choice is yours. I'm not sure I would change C: to FAT32, > especially with 8GB of storage available. > > -- > David Goldman From cph Mon Oct 11 16:47:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA02202 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:47:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21696; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:43:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21506; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21477; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.12 -> harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:42:52 -0400 Received: from oma.com (1-686.charter-stl.com [24.217.6.178]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14970 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38024BA6.6D57C0D7@oma.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:42:14 -0500 From: Brian Button Organization: Object Mentor, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? References: <0.368620d9.25336dc5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I converted my system to FAT32, and I was very happy with it. I got more usable space at virtually no cost. Then I wanted to reinstall Windows. The recovery CD can only restore *just* the root partition if you have not converted it to FAT32. If you have, the only option you have is to reload the entire disk image, overwriting the entire hard disk. Instead of this being a couple hour process, it ended up taking me about 18 hours to reinstall the OS and all the applications. Then a few months later I got completely sick of Win98 and installed NT :) bab JEShoemaker@aol.com wrote: > > Greetings, > > I recently purchased a 770X w/8.1GB HDD which has > 2 partitions -- C = 2GB (FAT16) & D = 6GB (FAT32). > I've been thinking about using the Windows 98 Drive > Converter 32 untility to convert C Drive to FAT 32. > > What would been the disadvantages? > > Has anyone had problems doing this? > > TIA, > > John -- Brian Button bbutton@oma.com Senior Consultant Object Mentor, Inc. Products Review Editor C++ Report Magazine Unit #6 of the Craftite Conspiracy (TINCC) From cph Mon Oct 11 17:23:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA02421 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:23:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24599; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:21:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24478; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24462; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.11 -> dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:20:59 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA01437 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:20:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199910112120.QAA01437@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga14-37.ix.netcom.com(207.95.119.101) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001211; Mon Oct 11 16:19:54 1999 From: "Allan" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <38024BA6.6D57C0D7@oma.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:42:14 -0500, Brian Button wrote: >18 hours to reinstall the OS and all the applications. Then a few months >later I got completely sick of Win98 and installed NT :) How do you like NT? As a fat client, it strikes me as OK; definately a step forward from win9x. (Not so sure about NT as a server.) Allan From cph Mon Oct 11 17:44:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA02540 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:44:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26707; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:41:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26493; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26480; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.12 -> harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:41:19 -0400 Received: from oma.com (1-686.charter-stl.com [24.217.6.178]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02006; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38025958.6E993282@oma.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:40:40 -0500 From: Brian Button Organization: Object Mentor, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? References: <199910112120.QAA01437@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm not entirely fond of any MS operating system, but NT is certainly the most usable. I develop software, so I tend to use the OS pretty hard. Win98 was crashing several times a day on me, and acting generally unpredictably. After changing to NT, I've had only one crash, things have worked 100% better, multitasking works better. The only problems that I've seen are that the Thinkpad Configuration program requires a reboot after any change, the included PC-Card management software doesn't work with my Linksys card, and I can't suspend. And I haven't gotten the serial port working yet (COM1), but I've only spent around 15 minutes on it. Other than those minor inconveniences, it has been a big win for me. I hated Win98 since it locked up on me as I was configuring my Thinkpad 5 minutes out of the box. bab Allan wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:42:14 -0500, Brian Button wrote: > > >18 hours to reinstall the OS and all the applications. Then a few months > >later I got completely sick of Win98 and installed NT :) > > How do you like NT? > > As a fat client, it strikes me as OK; definately a step forward from > win9x. (Not so sure about NT as a server.) > > Allan -- Brian Button bbutton@oma.com Senior Consultant Object Mentor, Inc. Products Review Editor C++ Report Magazine Unit #6 of the Craftite Conspiracy (TINCC) From cph Mon Oct 11 18:36:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA02829 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:36:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00762; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:32:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00531; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00397; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:30:37 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-107.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.107]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA09242 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991011182834.01357740@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:28:34 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991011110859.00c9d5c0@127.0.0.1> References: <0.368620d9.25336dc5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:08 PM 10/11/1999 -0700, David Goldman wrote: >At 09:43 AM 10/11/1999 , JEShoemaker@aol.com wrote: >>Greetings, >> >>I recently purchased a 770X w/8.1GB HDD which has >>2 partitions -- C = 2GB (FAT16) & D = 6GB (FAT32). >>I've been thinking about using the Windows 98 Drive >>Converter 32 untility to convert C Drive to FAT 32. >> >>What would been the disadvantages? > >While you CAN do this, there is a certain "security" in knowing >That you can boot from a floppy running Dos 2.x or higher MS-DOS 4.0 or higher introduced the larger than 32meg HD capacity, not 2.0. :) If you were to boot off of a 2.0 disk, modern day HDs would be unreadable. >and be able to read/write to your hard disk in an emergency. >For example, if Windows crashes and will take two days to >re configure, you can boot with a floppy and get a copy of the >report that is due later today. This is the very same reasoning >that many people configure their NT system so that the boot >partition is FAT instead of NTFS. A Win9x boot floppy will read/write just fine. Either make a disk >from the MSDOS prompt (format a: /s), or do it under My Computer, right click, format, and make sure to select copy system files. Creating a system disk with the machine you use insures that when booted with that disk, they are compatible completely. OR make sure the boot disk is as new as it can get (ex- Win98SE) Heck, there is even a utility (ntfsread) that will allow an NTFS partition to be read in a DOS session off of a boot disk. I keep one of these *just in case*, but I haven't had to use it yet. >The choice is yours. I'm not sure I would change C: to FAT32, >especially with 8GB of storage available. All of our 770's are either running pure NTFS NT or FAT32 Win98 installs. It is a personal choice. Fat32 = better cluster management thus reduction of wasted HD space. Fat16 = legacy assurance for apps that can flip out when it comes time to read/exist on a Fat32 partition. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Oct 11 18:39:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA02848 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:39:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01333; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:37:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01207; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01194; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:37:50 -0400 Received: from TP600 ([209.138.37.125]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17231; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00ac01bf1439$5d4f1b20$f7268ad1@TP600> Reply-To: "James Lai" From: "James Lai" To: "Allan " , "Shirley" Cc: "Thinkpad" References: <199910112120.QAA01437@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:38:12 -0700 Organization: US EPA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Running W2k RC2 Advanced servrer on my TP600 with 164MB. Runs a lot better than Win9X. Faster when running several apps. For example, I can download softwares, and copy files to Zip and still can access my files on Excel. With Win98, everything slows to a crawl when I copying files to zip internal zip in utlraslim bay.) My 2 cent. -James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:42:14 -0500, Brian Button wrote: > > >18 hours to reinstall the OS and all the applications. Then a few months > >later I got completely sick of Win98 and installed NT :) > > How do you like NT? > > As a fat client, it strikes me as OK; definately a step forward from > win9x. (Not so sure about NT as a server.) > > Allan > From cph Mon Oct 11 18:47:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA02887 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:47:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02483; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:45:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02318; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02304; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU (128.196.206.226 -> exchange.optics.arizona.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:45:17 -0400 Received: from spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu ([150.135.52.9]) by exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id 4KV1QNV8; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:45:15 -0700 Received: from europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.30]) by spectra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13798; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:45:15 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id PAA19216; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:45:14 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:45:14 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <199910112245.PAA19216@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> To: aballard@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 11 14:21:54 1999 > From: "Allan" > To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:21:08 -0400 (EDT) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? > List-Unsubscribe: > > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:42:14 -0500, Brian Button wrote: > > >18 hours to reinstall the OS and all the applications. Then a few months > >later I got completely sick of Win98 and installed NT :) > > How do you like NT? > > As a fat client, it strikes me as OK; definately a step forward from > win9x. (Not so sure about NT as a server.) > > Allan > > Allan, I have a 770E (NT preload from IBM). NT seems much better than 95 that came on my previous 765D - we "upgraded" the 765D to NT4 (SP3). Our thinkpads are used as normal notebooks and also to run special purpose optical instruments using both RS-232 and IEEE-488. Both work mostly OK and have lots of RAM (224 on the 770E and 104 on the 765D). Use either in a SelectaDock or standalone. We also have Sun Solaris x86 on both machines (triple boot of PC DOS 7, NT 4, and Solaris) using System commander. Solaris is more stable than NT (no crashes to speak of) and if you find apps you need, seems like a better choice to me. However, there are downsides such as VERY limited PCMCIA support, requirement to use a 3rd party X server, etc. Hibernate and suspend do work if the PCMCIA, audio, and networking modules are stopped and unloadedprior to hibernate/suspend and reloaded after resume. I use a script for that and then the Fn and F keys for suspend and/or hibernate. Solaris also likes LOTS of RAM (128 is NOT too much). NT 4 (SP3) and IBM PC-DOS 7 are installed on a 2 GB FAT partition where the pm_hiber.bin file also lives. Solaris is installed in a 4.5 GB partiton on the 770E, remainder of 8GB disk is NTFS for NT. I left C: as FAT as DOS and the hibernate file have to be on FAT (hibernate can be HPFS but NOT NTFS according to everything I have been able to find). Hibernate takes a bit of time to write all the RAM to disk and it makes for a LARGE file (over 10% of the partition). Most of the NT pagefile is on the NTFS partition. With NT on my 770E, I can hibernate to disk and suspend if I use CardWizard to "stop" the modem card. I normally use a PCI ethernet card in a selectadock 3 (with separate NT profiles for standalone and dock) so I don't have to deal with a PCMCIA ethernet card with NT. Serial port works fine as does either a PCMCIA or PCI IEEE-488 (GPIB) interface card. PCMCIA modem configures on Com2. I have disabled the IR port as I need the serial port for an instrument and I don't need IR. I use Sun's Solstice NFS/X server under NT for access to our Sun servers over the network of via PPP. IMO NT is OK but not up to the quality of Solaris on either our 765D or 770E. Both are MUCH better than 95 (I haven't tried 98). NT has crashed various times (blue screen) for various reasons (probably driver related at times). It also locks up every so often running Excel (Office 97 SR-2) and/or Word... Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona Meinel Building PO Box 210094 Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue Oct 12 03:04:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA05754 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:04:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11441; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:02:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11121; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11095; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:02:01 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-159.gate.net [199.227.20.222]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA18366; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:01:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3802DCE9.3814638D@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:02:01 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JEShoemaker@aol.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? References: <0.368620d9.25336dc5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: convert to fat32.. its fine and works.. IF there is a crash and you really MUST get that report, don't use an antique diskette with DOS ver. 2, use the emergency rescue floppy that win98 will create for you.. also, while the converter supplied with win98 works, it is limited.. get something like PQ Magic ver. 4 or newer to do this.. it works extremely well... also, merge both partitions into one large partition.. JEShoemaker@aol.com wrote: > Greetings, > > I recently purchased a 770X w/8.1GB HDD which has > 2 partitions -- C = 2GB (FAT16) & D = 6GB (FAT32). > I've been thinking about using the Windows 98 Drive > Converter 32 untility to convert C Drive to FAT 32. > > What would been the disadvantages? > > Has anyone had problems doing this? > > TIA, > > John -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, New site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Tue Oct 12 03:06:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA05766 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:06:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11970; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:04:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11703; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11689; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:04:37 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-159.gate.net [199.227.20.222]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA40062; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:03:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3802DD83.C964761A@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:04:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Button CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? References: <0.368620d9.25336dc5@aol.com> <38024BA6.6D57C0D7@oma.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: to overcome this problem, make a backup copy of your complete OS.. if you need to restore it, just copy it back, to either fat16 or fat32.. it does not care.. Brian Button wrote: > I converted my system to FAT32, and I was very happy with it. I got more > usable space at virtually no cost. > > Then I wanted to reinstall Windows. > > The recovery CD can only restore *just* the root partition if you have > not converted it to FAT32. If you have, the only option you have is to > reload the entire disk image, overwriting the entire hard disk. > > Instead of this being a couple hour process, it ended up taking me about > 18 hours to reinstall the OS and all the applications. Then a few months > later I got completely sick of Win98 and installed NT :) > > bab > > JEShoemaker@aol.com wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > I recently purchased a 770X w/8.1GB HDD which has > > 2 partitions -- C = 2GB (FAT16) & D = 6GB (FAT32). > > I've been thinking about using the Windows 98 Drive > > Converter 32 untility to convert C Drive to FAT 32. > > > > What would been the disadvantages? > > > > Has anyone had problems doing this? > > > > TIA, > > > > John > > -- > Brian Button bbutton@oma.com > Senior Consultant Object Mentor, Inc. > Products Review Editor C++ Report Magazine > > Unit #6 of the Craftite Conspiracy (TINCC) -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Tue Oct 12 03:12:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA05799 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:12:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12765; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:07:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12329; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12314; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:07:28 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-159.gate.net [199.227.20.222]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA64796; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:06:45 -0400 Message-ID: <3802DE2F.89D7C8F6@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:07:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net CC: "STeve Andre'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? References: <3.0.6.32.19991011141308.00abc140@pilot.msu.edu> <38025602.7802@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: only if you let it.. simply make the CD E: in control panel, system.. Bruce Markowitz wrote: > It will change your DVD drive to D: from E:, and cause some problems to > get SoftDVD to work. > > STeve Andre' wrote: > > > > I did that on my 1451i (two 2G paritions) and I got about 300M back > > on C:, and have never had a problem. This is on a Win98 system. > > > > --STeve Andre' > > andres@msu.edu > > > > At 12:43 PM 10/11/1999 EDT, JEShoemaker@aol.com wrote: > > >Greetings, > > > > > >I recently purchased a 770X w/8.1GB HDD which has > > >2 partitions -- C = 2GB (FAT16) & D = 6GB (FAT32). > > >I've been thinking about using the Windows 98 Drive > > >Converter 32 untility to convert C Drive to FAT 32. > > > > > >What would been the disadvantages? > > > > > >Has anyone had problems doing this? > > > > > >TIA, > > > > > >John -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Tue Oct 12 08:43:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA06846 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:43:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09249; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:41:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09127; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09102; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.11 -> dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:41:06 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA23449; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:40:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199910121240.HAA23449@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga14-37.ix.netcom.com(207.95.119.101) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma023415; Tue Oct 12 07:39:50 1999 From: "Allan" To: "Brian Button" Cc: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <38025958.6E993282@oma.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:40:40 -0500, Brian Button wrote: >Other than those minor inconveniences, it has been a big win for me. I >hated Win98 since it locked up on me as I was configuring my Thinkpad 5 >minutes out of the box. I sorta see it that way, too. Once all the drivers are ready for the 760CD I prolly will load NT. I'd rather it run a little slow on te 760CD than continue to encounter lockups. The security stuff is a real hassel, though, for a single user to put up with. Allan From cph Tue Oct 12 10:40:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA07554 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:40:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17679; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:33:27 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17215; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:33:26 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id KAA21272 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09773; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (207.0.68.7 -> home.dwave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:02:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id UAA14843 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:03:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:03:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Pen Services for Windows 3.11 or Windows 95 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Paul, You can get Pen Services for Win95 from IBM (at least, I did it at least once) and probably Microsoft. I'll check IBM's downloads right now... Dammit, they changed their format again. argh. Just when you get used to moving around the site, suddenly the UI isn't good enough. DDTPS110.EXE is the pen driver for the 360P/750P IBMPS20.EXE is Pen Services - appears to be 16 bit? IIRC, IBM pointed to MS for the download of that. Anyway, I could not find IBMPS20 on IBM's site. As for MS, you can get pen stuff from anybody with an MSDN kit. It's in the device driver stuff. Still looking for the download... cannot find it. E-mail me if you still want it, anyone. Chris Schumann "I am a cipher, wrapped in an enigma, smothered in secret sauce." - Jimmy James, News Radio From cph Tue Oct 12 14:08:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA09107 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:08:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06884; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:04:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06607; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06578; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (198.206.134.30 -> pima.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:03:55 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-177.gate.net [207.36.212.177]) by pima.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA22038; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:01:31 -0400 Message-ID: <380377B0.D1636A94@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:02:24 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Eyrich CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: keep all data files in a seperate directory.. i use C:\backup and then just copy that whole directory to another drive in the LAN.. (downside, is not taking time to do more than have more than a few iterations of this directory ALL OVER the place.. but i suppose the grandfather, father, son thing gets taken care of this way) the thing i like about one big partition is that it uses the space more efficiently.. i have amny 200meg to 400meg directories with various archival preloads around.. its tough when you have less than that much free space on more than a few logical and/or physical drives.. pleanty of space but no place to park a huge file full of stuff.. :-) ("stuff" is a new high tech word used to describe numerous files, file systems, archived data and the like.. sort of like "bit bucket" was in the olden days!) Michael Eyrich wrote: > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > | > |also, merge both partitions into one large partition.. > > Bill, > > why do you think, this is a good idea? > > Being used to un*x like systems, I, personally, prefer to have a dedicated > partition for all user data, which can be backed up separatly. - I know, > most MS-applications do not support such a separation very well. > > Michael > > -- > Michael Eyrich, PRZ, TU-Berlin, Germany > michey@prz.tu-berlin.de -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Tue Oct 12 14:46:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA09423 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:46:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11818; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:43:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11695; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11681; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:43:26 -0400 Received: from denhall (tc3-05.ismi.net [205.216.96.110]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA06029; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008d01bf14ea$6f7c8ec0$6e60d8cd@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: Subject: XGA 760ED (1024x768) ThinkPads Available.... Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:46:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008A_01BF14C0.86A686C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BF14C0.86A686C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At the risk of commercializing the forum...I felt compelled to share a = *find* with=20 forum members... I have received a small supply of difficult-to-find XGA (1024 x 768) = display 760ED=20 Thinkpads, #9546-U9A, P133 / 12.1"TFT / 2.1Gb / 32-80RAM /6Xcdrom = /1.44mbFloppy /Li-Ion / Ac Supply/modem/Mwave/2mb VideoRAM/MPEG1&2 /.... etc... I usually sell units locally to students, and low-end users, and = specialize in providing Thinkpad accessories...but this stash of laptops is SO nice that I feel = they would be best appreciated by more serious users who can appreciate the difference = XGA makes... Web Browsing...Spreadsheets...Graphics....all are much more enjoyable = with the higher resolution...I have rarely seen the XGA units available at a lower price = point, and am=20 pleased to offer these units for resale at $650 to forum members. All = units are tested, and in EXCELLENT to NEW condition, loaded with factory Win95 = configuration. Some units are arriving with the optional External Floppy Drive Kit as a = bonus, and I am hoping to offer the units with 64 mb RAM for the $650 price to forum = members only... The standard configuration for other sales will include only 32mb RAM... If anyone is interested, please contact me ASAP, as I am trying to lock = up as many of these as possible before my supplier comes to his senses and realizes the = desirability of these units... Lots more ThinkPad goodies available too... End of Commercial. =20 Apologies in advance if this post is considered by some as inappropriate for the Group... Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan denhall@ismi.net 810.229.2881 ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BF14C0.86A686C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
At the risk of = commercializing the forum...I felt compelled to share a *find* with=20
forum=20 members...
 
I have received a small supply of difficult-to-find=20 XGA (1024 x 768) display 760ED
Thinkpads, #9546-U9A, P133 / = 12.1"TFT /=20 2.1Gb / 32-80RAM /6Xcdrom /1.44mbFloppy /Li-Ion /
Ac Supply/modem/Mwave/2mb VideoRAM/MPEG1&2 /.... = etc...
 
I usually sell units locally to students, and = low-end users,=20 and specialize in providing
Thinkpad accessories...but this stash of laptops is = SO nice=20 that I feel they would be
best appreciated by more serious users who can = appreciate the=20 difference XGA makes...
Web Browsing...Spreadsheets...Graphics....all are = much more=20 enjoyable with the higher
resolution...I have rarely seen the XGA units = available at a=20 lower price point, and am
pleased to offer these units for resale at $650 to = forum=20 members.  All units are tested,
and in EXCELLENT to NEW condition, loaded with = factory Win95=20 configuration.
Some units are arriving with the optional External = Floppy=20 Drive Kit as a bonus, and I am
hoping to offer the units with 64 mb RAM for = the $650=20 price to forum members only...
The standard configuration for other sales will = include only=20 32mb RAM...
 
If anyone is interested, please = contact me ASAP,=20 as I am trying to lock up as many of these
as possible = before my=20 supplier comes to his senses and realizes the desirability of these=20 units...
 
Lots more ThinkPad goodies available = too...
End of Commercial.  =
Apologies in advance if this post is = considered=20 by some as inappropriate
for the=20 Group...
 
Have a Great Day,
Denis Hall, Michigan
denhall@ismi.net
810.229.2881
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BF14C0.86A686C0-- From cph Tue Oct 12 14:59:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA09516 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:59:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13135; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:51:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13009; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front5m.grolier.fr (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12990; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front5m.grolier.fr (195.36.216.55 -> front5m.grolier.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:50:53 -0400 Received: from chri07 (ppp-113-221.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.113.221]) by front5m.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id UAA25210; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:50:46 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002001bf14e2$b24209e0$dd719ec2@chri07> From: "Christophe Majewski" To: "Valentino Kyriakides" , References: Subject: Re: IR connection to Motorola mobile Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:50:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01BF14F3.73E59F20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BF14F3.73E59F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You need to activate IR connection. Install mobile phone modem driver. = Get data/fax option from your GSM provider. And it should work. Hope it helps Christophe Majewski ----- Message d'origine -----=20 De : Valentino Kyriakides=20 =C0 : Christophe Majewski ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu=20 Envoy=E9 : lundi 11 octobre 1999 18:29 Objet : RE: IR connection to Motorola mobile Can you please report how you managed this to work? In the company = I'am working for, we have a customer who uses a Toshiba Satelite Pro = 4080 (running Windows 95) and a Siemens Handy which has build in IrDa, = Modem and Fax. However, the customer was not able to successfully = establish an IrDa communication between with Toshiba and the Handy. =20 Thanks in advance, =20 Valentino Kyriakides -----Original Message----- From: Christophe Majewski [mailto:chri07@club-internet.fr] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 6:34 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IR connection to Motorola mobile Finnaly I succeeded to get conected to the net via IR com port and = my IR Motorola tri-band. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BF14F3.73E59F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You need to activate IR connection. Install mobile = phone modem=20 driver. Get data/fax option from your GSM provider.
And it should work.
Hope it helps
 
Christophe Majewski
----- Message d'origine -----
=C0 : Christophe=20 Majewski ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Envoy=E9 : lundi 11 = octobre 1999=20 18:29
Objet : RE: IR connection to = Motorola=20 mobile

Can=20 you please report how you managed this to work?  In the company = I'am=20 working for, we have a customer who uses a Toshiba Satelite Pro 4080 = (running=20 Windows 95) and a Siemens Handy which has build in IrDa, Modem and = Fax.=20 However, the customer was not able to successfully establish an IrDa=20 communication between with Toshiba and the Handy.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Valentino Kyriakides
-----Original Message-----
From: Christophe = Majewski=20 [mailto:chri07@club-internet.fr]
Sent: Saturday, October = 09, 1999=20 6:34 PM
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: IR = connection=20 to Motorola mobile

Finnaly I succeeded to get conected to the net = via IR com=20 port and my IR Motorola=20 tri-band.
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BF14F3.73E59F20-- From cph Tue Oct 12 15:02:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA09540 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:02:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04992; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:48:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04797; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.giganet.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04733; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.giganet.com (208.239.8.250 -> mail.giganet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:47:19 -0400 Received: from who (gn66.giganet.com [208.239.8.66]) by mail.giganet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA10772 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:47:12 -0400 From: "Steve Meisner" To: "'Thinkpad Mailing List'" Subject: Used Lithium batteries Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:49:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bf14da$336004e0$4208efd0@who.giganet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <199910121240.HAA23449@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> List-Unsubscribe: Over the years of owning my TP760ED, I have built up quite a collection of used (and exhausted) Lithium Ion batteries that don't hold a full charge that well any more. Does anyone know where these can be sent to get reconditioned? Thanks in advance, Steve From cph Tue Oct 12 15:05:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA09567 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:05:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01910; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:12:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01040; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.prz.tu-berlin.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00611; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.prz.tu-berlin.de (130.149.232.72 -> mail.prz.tu-berlin.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:10:32 -0400 Received: from mekk.prz.tu-berlin.de (IDENT:michey@mekk.prz.tu-berlin.de [130.149.237.33]) by mail.prz.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28782; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:09:46 +0200 (METDST) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:10:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Michael Eyrich To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? In-Reply-To: <3802DCE9.3814638D@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: | |also, merge both partitions into one large partition.. Bill, why do you think, this is a good idea? Being used to un*x like systems, I, personally, prefer to have a dedicated partition for all user data, which can be backed up separatly. - I know, most MS-applications do not support such a separation very well. Michael -- Michael Eyrich, PRZ, TU-Berlin, Germany michey@prz.tu-berlin.de From cph Tue Oct 12 15:07:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA09579 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:07:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07291; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:05:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06809; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06699; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (198.206.134.30 -> pima.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:04:34 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-177.gate.net [207.36.212.177]) by pima.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA32386; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:03:27 -0400 Message-ID: <38037824.B643531E@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:04:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Meisner CC: "'Thinkpad Mailing List'" Subject: Re: Used Lithium batteries References: <000c01bf14da$336004e0$4208efd0@who.giganet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: steve... i'm not sure there IS anyplace to recondition Li batteries.. or even if its fiscally feasible.. but i'm all eyeballs to learn differently.. Steve Meisner wrote: > Over the years of owning my TP760ED, I have built up quite a collection of > used (and exhausted) Lithium Ion batteries that don't hold a full charge > that well any more. Does anyone know where these can be sent to get > reconditioned? > > Thanks in advance, > Steve -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Tue Oct 12 16:49:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA10689 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:49:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22713; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:44:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22562; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb4.cableone.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22529; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb4.cableone.net (24.116.0.204 -> cb4.cableone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:44:46 -0400 Received: from cb4.cableone.net - 24.116.0.204 by cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:42:36 -0700 Received: from defiant (ppp-91.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.91]) by cb4.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:42:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01bf14f2$89d768a0$ee63fea9@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" From: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" , "Denis Hall" Subject: Re: XGA 760ED (1024x768) ThinkPads Available.... Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:44:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-SMTP-HELO: defiant X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: cmcdaniel@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu,denhall@ismi.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: ppp-91.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.91] List-Unsubscribe: I am interested in these laptops but I have a question what IS the difference between the Svga I have now and XGA I know this is a stupid question but I haven't never really used XGA before.. I have several friends who might want one of these also if I can tell them what XGA is.. Charles & Melinda McDaniel Charles' E-Mail CMcDaniel@cableone.net Melinda's E-Mail SMcDaniel@cableone.net -----Original Message----- From: Denis Hall To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 1:34 PM Subject: XGA 760ED (1024x768) ThinkPads Available.... At the risk of commercializing the forum...I felt compelled to share a *find* with forum members... I have received a small supply of difficult-to-find XGA (1024 x 768) display 760ED Thinkpads, #9546-U9A, P133 / 12.1"TFT / 2.1Gb / 32-80RAM /6Xcdrom /1.44mbFloppy /Li-Ion / Ac Supply/modem/Mwave/2mb VideoRAM/MPEG1&2 /.... etc... I usually sell units locally to students, and low-end users, and specialize in providing Thinkpad accessories...but this stash of laptops is SO nice that I feel they would be best appreciated by more serious users who can appreciate the difference XGA makes... Web Browsing...Spreadsheets...Graphics....all are much more enjoyable with the higher resolution...I have rarely seen the XGA units available at a lower price point, and am pleased to offer these units for resale at $650 to forum members. All units are tested, and in EXCELLENT to NEW condition, loaded with factory Win95 configuration. Some units are arriving with the optional External Floppy Drive Kit as a bonus, and I am hoping to offer the units with 64 mb RAM for the $650 price to forum members only... The standard configuration for other sales will include only 32mb RAM... If anyone is interested, please contact me ASAP, as I am trying to lock up as many of these as possible before my supplier comes to his senses and realizes the desirability of these units... Lots more ThinkPad goodies available too... End of Commercial. Apologies in advance if this post is considered by some as inappropriate for the Group... Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan denhall@ismi.net 810.229.2881 From cph Tue Oct 12 17:23:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA10961 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:23:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25588; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:20:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25381; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25223; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:18:34 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-10.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.10]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA01356 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991012171303.012554f0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:13:03 -0700 To: "Thinkpad" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: XGA 760ED (1024x768) ThinkPads Available.... In-Reply-To: <000e01bf14f2$89d768a0$ee63fea9@defiant> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:44 PM 10/12/1999 -0500, Charles & Melinda McDaniel wrote: >I am interested in these laptops but I have a question what IS the >difference between the Svga I have now and XGA I know this is a stupid >question but I haven't never really used XGA before.. >I have several friends who might want one of these also if I can tell them >what XGA is.. > >Charles & Melinda McDaniel > VGA = 640x480 SVGA = 800x600 XGA = 1024x768 SXGA = 1280x1024 They are screen resolutions of the TFT Active Matrix panels of various laptops. XGA actually was introduced by IBM years ago for PS/2 systems initially when VGA and somewhat SVGA was the norm. Back then you needed a specialized card and monitor to drive that resolution. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue Oct 12 17:43:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA11163 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:43:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28448; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:38:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28320; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb4.cableone.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28302; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb4.cableone.net (24.116.0.204 -> cb4.cableone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:38:12 -0400 Received: from cb4.cableone.net - 24.116.0.204 by cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:35:11 -0700 Received: from defiant (ppp-91.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.91]) by cb4.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:35:10 -0700 Message-ID: <002a01bf14f9$e259a040$ee63fea9@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" From: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" , "Mark Bell" Subject: Re: XGA 760ED (1024x768) ThinkPads Available.... Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:36:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-SMTP-HELO: defiant X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: cmcdaniel@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu,bytehead@bellatlantic.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: ppp-91.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.91] List-Unsubscribe: so is it better that svga or worse..?? about the same other that the size difference which I would think would be nice Charles & Melinda McDaniel Charles' E-Mail CMcDaniel@cableone.net Melinda's E-Mail SMcDaniel@cableone.net -----Original Message----- From: Mark Bell To: Thinkpad Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 4:12 PM Subject: Re: XGA 760ED (1024x768) ThinkPads Available.... >At 03:44 PM 10/12/1999 -0500, Charles & Melinda McDaniel wrote: >>I am interested in these laptops but I have a question what IS the >>difference between the Svga I have now and XGA I know this is a stupid >>question but I haven't never really used XGA before.. >>I have several friends who might want one of these also if I can tell them >>what XGA is.. >> >>Charles & Melinda McDaniel >> > >VGA = 640x480 >SVGA = 800x600 >XGA = 1024x768 >SXGA = 1280x1024 > >They are screen resolutions of the TFT Active Matrix panels of >various laptops. XGA actually was introduced by IBM years ago >for PS/2 systems initially when VGA and somewhat SVGA was the >norm. Back then you needed a specialized card and monitor to >drive that resolution. > >Mark > > >------------------------------------------------- >Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 >Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >------------------------------------------------- >Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >Network and System consultation and installation >-------------------------------------------------- > From cph Tue Oct 12 17:43:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA11178 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:43:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28743; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:39:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28492; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28409; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:38:40 -0400 Received: from NEWPAD (mg-20425426-191.ricochet.net [204.254.26.191]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA09870; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:38:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "David Goldman" , Subject: RE: Converting to FAT 32? Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:38:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991011110859.00c9d5c0@127.0.0.1> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: > While you CAN [convert to FAT32], there is a certain "security" in > knowing that you can boot from a floppy running Dos 2.x or higher > and be able to read/write to your hard disk in an emergency. You don't lose that capability by going to FAT32. You just need to use a Win98 (or Win95 OSR2) boot floppy instead of an antique DOS floppy. Even if you're using FAT16, you should use a Win9x boot floppy in an emergency instead of an old DOS floppy. It doesn't support long filenames, but it's a little smarter about protecting you from running disk utilities that could trash your long filenames. -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Tue Oct 12 19:25:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA12179 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:25:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15712; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:13:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14715; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14633; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (216.32.181.11 -> law2-f11.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:13:23 -0400 Received: (qmail 50348 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 1999 23:13:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19991012231321.50347.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.15.93.63 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:13:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.15.93.63] From: "Rat Boy" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Battery Life Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:13:21 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: If I use my 600E ninety per cent of the time plugged in, am I destroying my Li Ion battery life by not allowing it to discharge and charge? I only use the battery ten per cent of the time. When I do, I try to allow the battery to fully discharge, but sometimes it is only half discharged and I am done with my job. Next time I use the system, I am on AC power and the battery is automatically charging up. Jimmy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Tue Oct 12 20:11:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA12525 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:11:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20180; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:05:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19984; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19828; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:03:22 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-20.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.20]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA07102 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991012195722.01358be0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:57:22 -0700 To: "Thinkpad" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: XGA 760ED (1024x768) ThinkPads Available.... In-Reply-To: <002a01bf14f9$e259a040$ee63fea9@defiant> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: It is better than SVGA in the aspect that your screen resolution (and visible real estate) increases. It is worse in the fact that everything gets smaller. Some people can't handle or do not desire the higher resolutions on smaller panels (12.1" TFT). If you always wished you could see more on the screen (not just a bigger screen), then XGA is for you. Personally, I find 800x600 woefully inadequate in this day and age. I run my desktop and notebook (770z) at 1280x1024 and anything less is too chunky and gobbles up too much on screen real estate. At 04:36 PM 10/12/1999 -0500, Charles & Melinda McDaniel wrote: >so is it better that svga or worse..?? about the same other that the size >difference which I would think would be nice >Charles & Melinda McDaniel > >Charles' E-Mail CMcDaniel@cableone.net > >Melinda's E-Mail SMcDaniel@cableone.net > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Bell >To: Thinkpad >Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 4:12 PM >Subject: Re: XGA 760ED (1024x768) ThinkPads Available.... > > >>At 03:44 PM 10/12/1999 -0500, Charles & Melinda McDaniel wrote: >>>I am interested in these laptops but I have a question what IS the >>>difference between the Svga I have now and XGA I know this is a stupid >>>question but I haven't never really used XGA before.. >>>I have several friends who might want one of these also if I can tell them >>>what XGA is.. >>> >>>Charles & Melinda McDaniel >>> >> >>VGA = 640x480 >>SVGA = 800x600 >>XGA = 1024x768 >>SXGA = 1280x1024 >> >>They are screen resolutions of the TFT Active Matrix panels of >>various laptops. XGA actually was introduced by IBM years ago >>for PS/2 systems initially when VGA and somewhat SVGA was the >>norm. Back then you needed a specialized card and monitor to >>drive that resolution. >> >>Mark >> >> >>------------------------------------------------- >>Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >>800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >>Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 >>Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >>------------------------------------------------- >>Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >>RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >>Network and System consultation and installation >>-------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Oct 13 07:04:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA16260 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:04:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04293; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:01:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03884; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tirnet.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03724; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tirnet.de (195.222.117.1 -> ns.tirnet.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:00:36 -0400 Received: from tirnet.de (dial-in77.tirnet.de [195.222.117.77]) by tirnet.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29699 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:00:15 +0200 Message-ID: <380466B9.CEBD4A91@tirnet.de> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:02:17 +0200 From: Dirk Neumann X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: MSW 95 Companion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------204787ED73D6BE447CD60D85" List-Unsubscribe: --------------204787ED73D6BE447CD60D85 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I bought my ThinkPad last year second-hand, I also get a MS Win95 Companion CD with it. Since this year I reinstalled Win for several times ;-), but I never get it with this CD, nor by setup-disk installation, nor by installing from system. So I always use one from a friend of mine. (It's not really a problem, I'm a legal Win95 user, but it grieves me that I never understand to use this original CD.) Thanks in advance, Dirk. happy ThinkPad user (unhappy MSWin user) -- dirk neumann dirkneumann@tirnet.de 95692 konnersreuth (germany / bavaria) --------------204787ED73D6BE447CD60D85 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

I bought my ThinkPad last year second-hand, I also get a MS Win95 Companion CD with it. Since this year I reinstalled Win for several times ;-), but I never get it  with this CD, nor by setup-disk installation, nor by installing from system. So I always use one from a friend of mine.
(It's not really a problem, I'm a legal Win95 user, but it grieves me that I never understand to use this original CD.)

Thanks in advance,
 

Dirk.

happy ThinkPad user (unhappy MSWin user)
--
dirk neumann
dirkneumann@tirnet.de
95692 konnersreuth
(germany / bavaria)
  --------------204787ED73D6BE447CD60D85-- From cph Wed Oct 13 07:04:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA16261 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:04:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04289; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:01:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03881; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tirnet.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03720; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tirnet.de (195.222.117.1 -> ns.tirnet.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:00:35 -0400 Received: from tirnet.de (dial-in77.tirnet.de [195.222.117.77]) by tirnet.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29703 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:00:20 +0200 Message-ID: <380466BE.FB00C61C@tirnet.de> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:02:22 +0200 From: Dirk Neumann X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Where to buy trackpoint covers in Germany Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------25D18731B7F4750B5F8F6273" List-Unsubscribe: --------------25D18731B7F4750B5F8F6273 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What are the recommandable possibilities to get Trackpoint covers in Germany? IBM? do the Tosh's fit ? Per credit card in the USA? thank you in advance, Dirk (happy ThinkPad and Trackpoint user) -- dirk neumann dirkneumann@tirnet.de 95692 konnersreuth (germany / bavaria) --------------25D18731B7F4750B5F8F6273 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

What are the recommandable possibilities to get Trackpoint covers in Germany?
IBM? do the Tosh's fit ?
Per credit card in the USA?
 

thank you in advance,

Dirk
(happy ThinkPad and Trackpoint user)
--
dirk neumann
dirkneumann@tirnet.de
95692 konnersreuth
(germany / bavaria)
  --------------25D18731B7F4750B5F8F6273-- From cph Wed Oct 13 11:35:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA17952 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:35:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21383; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:27:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20888; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20790; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53 -> mail-gw2.pacbell.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:26:34 -0400 Received: from shbinstruments.com (adsl-216-102-232-162.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [216.102.232.162]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12441 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3804A3D4.62FC2E08@shbinstruments.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:23:00 -0700 From: Barry Megdal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Maximum memory for TP600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The manual for my TP600-266 (2645-51U) says maximum memory is 160MB (base 32M + 2 64M simms). Is this really the max, or did they just not take into account 128MB parts when it was written? - Barry -- Dr. Barry Megdal shb Instruments, Inc. 19215 Parthenia St., Suite A Northridge, CA 91324 (818) 773-2000 (818) 773-2005 fax Dept. of Electrical Engineering California Institute of Technology Pasadena, CA From cph Wed Oct 13 12:00:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA18154 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:00:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23287; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:49:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22811; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22798; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:49:47 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06129; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <3804AA15.D1EDD7AC@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:49:41 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Barry Megdal CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Lee Hetherington Subject: Re: Maximum memory for TP600 References: <3804A3D4.62FC2E08@shbinstruments.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've got 288MB in a 2645-45U. http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/ModelLookup2/264551U?OpenDocument&28,33 clearly lists the 128MB DIMM for your 2645-51U. I believe your max is 288MB too. --Lee Hetherington From cph Wed Oct 13 13:49:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA19117 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:49:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01892; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:45:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01745; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01729; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:45:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.10 -> imo20.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:45:30 -0400 Received: from JEShoemaker@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id oNCNa14299 (4208) for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.78adc8ee.25361f32@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:45:22 EDT Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for all the advice! I converted C Drive to FAT 32 and gained 201MB of space and the machine seems to be a little quicker. During the conversion, the MS Disk Converter program indicated that no installed programs were incompatible with FAT 32. Haven't checked to see if I lost Hibernation capability. However, the laptop (TP770X) is used as a desktop replacement and Hibernation was disabled anyway. Thanks again to all who responded. John From cph Wed Oct 13 13:58:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA19246 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:58:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02977; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:56:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02867; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02852; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (198.206.134.30 -> pima.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:56:10 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-79.gate.net [199.227.20.142]) by pima.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA75526; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:54:58 -0400 Message-ID: <3804C7B8.4415A88D@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:56:08 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JEShoemaker@aol.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Converting to FAT 32? References: <0.78adc8ee.25361f32@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: hibernation is unaffected by the conversion.. all you need do is turn it on.. :-) JEShoemaker@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for all the advice! > > I converted C Drive to FAT 32 and gained 201MB of > space and the machine seems to be a little quicker. > During the conversion, the MS Disk Converter program > indicated that no installed programs were incompatible > with FAT 32. > > Haven't checked to see if I lost Hibernation capability. > However, the laptop (TP770X) is used as a desktop > replacement and Hibernation was disabled anyway. > > Thanks again to all who responded. > > John -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Wed Oct 13 14:18:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA19456 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:18:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04302; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:10:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04116; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04021; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:09:18 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-95.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.95]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA16777 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991013141109.013587f0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:11:09 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Maximum memory for TP600 In-Reply-To: <3804A3D4.62FC2E08@shbinstruments.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:23 AM 10/13/1999 -0700, Barry Megdal wrote: >The manual for my TP600-266 (2645-51U) says maximum memory is 160MB >(base 32M + 2 64M simms). Is this really the max, or did they just not >take into account 128MB parts when it was written? It can take 128mb pieces just fine. That model is an older P2-233 or 266 based model, so I would assume the part wasn't available at the time. It can take a max of 288megs total (32meg base + 128meg + 128meg). ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Oct 13 15:52:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA20349 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:52:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11642; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:43:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11474; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11450; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:43:01 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-79.gate.net [199.227.20.142]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA108540; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:41:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3804E0C1.4B83587F@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:42:57 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dirk Neumann CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: MSW 95 Companion References: <380466B9.CEBD4A91@tirnet.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------892E9B8350EE7D7DC63916CC" List-Unsubscribe: --------------892E9B8350EE7D7DC63916CC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dirk.. uhh, which thinkpad model do you have..?? Dirk Neumann wrote: > > > I bought my ThinkPad last year second-hand, I also get a MS Win95 > Companion CD with it. Since this year I reinstalled Win for several > times ;-), but I never get it with this CD, nor by setup-disk > installation, nor by installing from system. So I always use one from > a friend of mine. > (It's not really a problem, I'm a legal Win95 user, but it grieves me > that I never understand to use this original CD.) > > Thanks in advance, > > > Dirk. > > happy ThinkPad user (unhappy MSWin user) > -- > dirk neumann > dirkneumann@tirnet.de > 95692 konnersreuth > (germany / bavaria) > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) --------------892E9B8350EE7D7DC63916CC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dirk..
uhh, which thinkpad model do you have..??

Dirk Neumann wrote:

 

I bought my ThinkPad last year second-hand, I also get a MS Win95 Companion CD with it. Since this year I reinstalled Win for several times ;-), but I never get it  with this CD, nor by setup-disk installation, nor by installing from system. So I always use one from a friend of mine.
(It's not really a problem, I'm a legal Win95 user, but it grieves me that I never understand to use this original CD.)

Thanks in advance,
 

Dirk.

happy ThinkPad user (unhappy MSWin user)
--
dirk neumann
dirkneumann@tirnet.de
95692 konnersreuth
(germany / bavaria)
 

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net

use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames,
any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care..  :-)
  --------------892E9B8350EE7D7DC63916CC-- From cph Wed Oct 13 23:14:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA23789 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:14:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06107; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:11:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05812; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taxismtp1.alchemyfx.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05795; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taxismtp1.alchemyfx.com (208.232.0.8 -> taxismtp1.alchemyfx.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:11:40 -0400 Received: from teapot (IP237067.DIALUP.WVNET.EDU [129.71.237.67]) by taxismtp1.alchemyfx.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA03871 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 02:54:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199910210954.CAA03871@taxismtp1.alchemyfx.com> From: "Vrondi" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:12:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: recommendations on an ethernet card? Reply-to: vrondi@nettaxi.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) List-Unsubscribe: Hi all. I usually lurk, but I have a question. To start, I have a 755CD. I've been thinking of getting an ethernet card for my laptop to use on campus(I'm a student). The school wants $50 for one. But I've seen them on line for $30 or so. So, Ethernet is one area I've really no experience with. Does anyone have any recommendations? IS there a cheap brand of Ethernet cards for laptops that isn't junk? Please send any recommendations my way. Thanks. -Chrys From cph Thu Oct 14 00:03:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA24096 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:03:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08742; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:01:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08593; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wally.bu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08578; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wally.bu.edu (168.122.247.54 -> BAYS091-0801-054.BU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:01:32 -0400 Received: from bu.edu (IDENT:aturley@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wally.bu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00808; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:01:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199910140401.AAA00808@wally.bu.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: vrondi@nettaxi.com Subject: Re: recommendations on an ethernet card? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:12:11 EDT." <199910210954.CAA03871@taxismtp1.alchemyfx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:01:49 -0400 From: Andrew Turley List-Unsubscribe: With loving care, "Vrondi" writes: > Hi all. I usually lurk, but I have a question. > To start, I have a 755CD. > I've been thinking of getting an ethernet card for my laptop to use > on campus(I'm a student). The school wants $50 for one. But I've > seen them on line for $30 or so. So, Ethernet is one area I've > really no experience with. > Does anyone have any recommendations? IS there a cheap brand of > Ethernet cards for laptops that isn't junk? Please send any > recommendations my way. > Thanks. > -Chrys > I picked up a Trendnet 10Mb/s card at onsale.com for just over $30.00 (with shipping and handling). It's worked like a charm under Linux. $50 seems a little high to me, but hey, maybe it's a good card. andy -- >84*>:#v_55+"ude.ub@yelruta">:#,_@>188*+>\02p\12p\:22p#v_$ 55+,1- v ^ 0 v +1\ _^#-+*< >22g02g*"_@"*-!1- #v_v> >:>::3g: ,\188 ^^ -1\g21\g22; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:13:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12233; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:11:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12113; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12100; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy2.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:11:48 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (dgoldman.vip.best.com [204.156.137.147]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id WAA20199 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991013220816.00ce4d40@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:10:08 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: FROM CDW: IBM ThinkPads in stock now! In-Reply-To: <199910132226.PAA19610@proxy1.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I'm on the CDW mailing list. Today I received the following e-mail regarding Thinkpads from CDW. I forward it to the list incase some people are interested but didn't see the mailing. >NOTEBOOK COMPUTERS >The IBM ThinkPad notebook computer is extremely well-known among >mobile users. Its unparalleled reputation stems from a history of >providing high quality at fair prices. This QuickPick lists the >entire ThinkPad i Series in a handy side-by-side comparison. Plus >we've thrown in the popular ThinkPad 240. Several of these models >have recently taken significant price drops, making them an even >greater value. Check them out at the link below. >- Starting at ONLY $1396 >http://www.cdw.com/r.asp?n=10769 From cph Thu Oct 14 08:41:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA26612 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:41:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11936; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:38:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11699; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cayuga.cs.rochester.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11683; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from cayuga.cs.rochester.edu (192.5.53.209 -> cayuga.cs.rochester.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:38:45 -0400 Received: from rum.cs.rochester.edu (rum.cs.rochester.edu [192.5.53.200]) by cayuga.cs.rochester.edu (8.9.3/Q) with ESMTP id IAA20526 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bukys@localhost) by rum.cs.rochester.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/Q++) id IAA02305; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910141238.IAA02305@rum.cs.rochester.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Serial Port at COM5 Cc: bukys@cs.rochester.edu List-Unsubscribe: I have a ThinkPad 770 (9548-40U) 13" TFT. Windows 95 (OSR1). At some point my serial port has numbered itself COM5, which is pretty inconvenient because HyperTerminal only knows how to open COM1 through COM4. My infrared port is COM1. COM2 through COM4 are apparently just not present. Is there some easy way to renumber/rename my serial port back down to 2, 3, or 4? Thanks. From cph Thu Oct 14 12:37:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA28470 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:37:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27345; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:34:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27022; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27004; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (198.206.134.30 -> pima.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:33:59 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-342.gate.net [199.227.173.88]) by pima.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA68834; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:32:27 -0400 Message-ID: <380605F1.7DC2990E@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:33:53 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bukys@cs.rochester.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Serial Port at COM5 References: <199910141238.IAA02305@rum.cs.rochester.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: did you chect system properties.. look at your Irq's.. something has obviously changed itself.. some device driver may have run amok..!! :-) bukys@cs.rochester.edu wrote: > I have a ThinkPad 770 (9548-40U) 13" TFT. Windows 95 (OSR1). > > At some point my serial port has numbered itself COM5, > which is pretty inconvenient because HyperTerminal only > knows how to open COM1 through COM4. > > My infrared port is COM1. > COM2 through COM4 are apparently just not present. > > Is there some easy way to renumber/rename my serial port > back down to 2, 3, or 4? > > Thanks. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Oct 14 12:48:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA28546 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:48:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28506; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:47:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28329; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.infoave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28312; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.infoave.net (165.166.0.27 -> smtp02.infoave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:47:51 -0400 Received: from dial-13.r6.ncelrb.infoave.net ("port 1029"@[207.144.129.155]) by SMTP00.InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-12 #23426) with SMTP id <01JH4IOMQKFY8WWE2K@SMTP00.InfoAve.Net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:47:46 EDT Received: by dial-13.r6.ncelrb.infoave.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BF1642.4463B160@dial-13.r6.ncelrb.infoave.net>; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:47:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:47:20 -0400 From: Stan Jacobs Subject: RE: MSW 95 Companion To: "'Dirk Neumann'" , thinkpadcsutkedu Message-id: <01BF1642.4463B160@dial-13.r6.ncelrb.infoave.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The win95 companion CD does not have setup.exe on it. I got one with my ast system along with an ast install diskette and CD. sjacobs@infoave.net ---------- From: Dirk Neumann[SMTP:dirkneumann@sankt-bonifatius.de] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 7:02 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: MSW 95 Companion I bought my ThinkPad last year second-hand, I also get a MS Win95 Companion CD with it. Since this year I reinstalled Win for several times ;-), but I never get it with this CD, nor by setup-disk installation, nor by installing from system. So I always use one from a friend of mine. (It's not really a problem, I'm a legal Win95 user, but it grieves me that I never understand to use this original CD.) Thanks in advance, Dirk. happy ThinkPad user (unhappy MSWin user) -- dirk neumann dirkneumann@tirnet.de 95692 konnersreuth (germany / bavaria) <> From cph Thu Oct 14 14:07:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA29237 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:07:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04784; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:06:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04592; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04568; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:06:29 -0400 Received: from lispworks (lispworks.lavielle.com [194.64.21.80]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27988; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:06:25 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: "Christophe Majewski" Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: IR connection to Motorola mobile Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:06:23 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF167F.96B44F00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002001bf14e2$b24209e0$dd719ec2@chri07> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF167F.96B44F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id OAA04784 Well, that's what the person did and it didn't work his Toshiba. What Windows Version did you use? He has an old Windows 95 version and AFAIK t= his doesn't offer real IrDA-Support. I think that's the rason why for example= on ThinkPads there is this Puma Software included (?). Can somebody verify correct Win95 IrDa-Support? Greetings Valentino -----Original Message----- From: Christophe Majewski [mailto:chri07@club-internet.fr] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 8:51 PM To: Valentino Kyriakides; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IR connection to Motorola mobile You need to activate IR connection. Install mobile phone modem driver. = Get data/fax option from your GSM provider. And it should work. Hope it helps Christophe Majewski ----- Message d'origine ----- De : Valentino Kyriakides =C0 : Christophe Majewski ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Envoy=E9 : lundi 11 octobre 1999 18:29 Objet : RE: IR connection to Motorola mobile Can you please report how you managed this to work? In the company I= 'am working for, we have a customer who uses a Toshiba Satelite Pro 4080 (running Windows 95) and a Siemens Handy which has build in IrDa, Modem a= nd Fax. However, the customer was not able to successfully establish an IrDa communication between with Toshiba and the Handy. Thanks in advance, Valentino Kyriakides -----Original Message----- From: Christophe Majewski [mailto:chri07@club-internet.fr] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 6:34 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IR connection to Motorola mobile Finnaly I succeeded to get conected to the net via IR com port and = my IR Motorola tri-band. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF167F.96B44F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well,=20 that's what the person did and it didn't work his Toshiba. What Windows = Version=20 did you use? He has an old Windows 95 version and AFAIK this doesn't = offer real=20 IrDA-Support. I think that's the rason why for example on ThinkPads = there is=20 this Puma Software included (?).
 
Can=20 somebody verify correct Win95 IrDa-Support?
 
Greetings Valentino
 
 -----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Christophe Majewski [mailto:chri07@club-internet.fr]
Sent: = Tuesday,=20 October 12, 1999 8:51 PM
To: Valentino Kyriakides;=20 thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: IR connection to Motorola=20 mobile

You need to activate IR connection. Install mobile = phone=20 modem driver. Get data/fax option from your GSM provider.
And it should work.
Hope it helps
 
Christophe Majewski
----- Message d'origine -----
=C0 : Christophe Majewski ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Envoy=E9 : lundi 11 = octobre 1999=20 18:29
Objet : RE: IR connection to = Motorola=20 mobile

Can you please report how you managed = this to=20 work?  In the company I'am working for, we have a customer who = uses a=20 Toshiba Satelite Pro 4080 (running Windows 95) and a Siemens Handy = which has=20 build in IrDa, Modem and Fax. However, the customer was not able to=20 successfully establish an IrDa communication between with Toshiba = and the=20 Handy.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Valentino Kyriakides
-----Original Message-----
From: Christophe = Majewski=20 [mailto:chri07@club-internet.fr]
Sent: Saturday, October = 09,=20 1999 6:34 PM
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: = IR=20 connection to Motorola mobile

Finnaly I succeeded to get conected to the net = via IR=20 com port and my IR Motorola=20 tri-band.
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF167F.96B44F00-- From cph Thu Oct 14 14:33:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA29396 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:33:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07131; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:32:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06929; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06911; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:32:13 -0400 Received: from lispworks (lispworks.lavielle.com [194.64.21.80]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA28778 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:32:05 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: TPIcons a little dll with replacement WinXX TP Icons... Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:32:03 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF1683.2CA60D70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF1683.2CA60D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hy, do all of you use the "TPIcons.dll"? Some time months ago a kind person send me those. BTW, under Win 95 OSR 2.0 one has to have "w95gray.exe" from the Microsoft site downloaded and installed in order to use these. Others, who have the Plus! package or even use Win98 should have this w95gray stuff already build in. - However, since I think these icons may be usefull (or at least funny) for some TP users, this mail has an 11.6 KB "Tpicons.zip" attachment, which contains this TPIcons.dll. Here are John's original installation descriptions: I've attached the IBM replacement ThinkPad icons in a 48Kb file (TPICONS.DLL). Once downloaded, simply copy TPIcons.dll into C:\Windows\System. To change My Computer or Recycle Bin icons: RIGHT-click on an empty space on the Desktop and select PROPERTIES. Then click on the PLUS Tab. There you'll find the ability to change the My Computer and Recycle Bin icons. Click on the icon that you wish to change. Then click on the "Change Icon" button. You should be able to easily figure it out the rest. You can then additional icons located in these files: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\TPICONS.DLL C:\WINDOWS\moricons.dll C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\PIFMGR.DLL C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SHELL32.DLL (Just place one of these file names in the box, once you've clicked on the "Change Icon" button.) Have fun ... John Greetings Valentino -- Lavielle EDV Systemberatung GmbH & Co. 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In-reply-to: To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Ok i am going to start graduate school this coming winter semester. There are two paths for me to go now. 1) Master science information system with concentration in business processing engineering (SAP/R3 system) - central michigan university 2) Master science computer information system. - eastern michigan university- no concentration but i can take all the Oracle classes ! I do not know which one to choose ! for those who are in the IT industry now, please help me !!! Dilema (1) is it a good investment to go 100% with the SAP R3 system ?? How long can the SAP system stays in the industry ? (http://www.sap.com) Is learning oracle a better deal ? Dilema (2) eastern michigan is near Detroit (where i think i can get a decent day time job while central michigan is in the middle of nowhere (a typical small college town). Dilema (3) Central michigan is a 2nd tier school and voted as Best college 98 & 99 by USnews and voted no 3 best school in the midwest,but the Master program is very new (only 2 semesters old). Eastern michigan is a 3rd tier school with no ranking but the MSIS program was established longer. I really appreciate all thoughts & suggestions. Thank you so much in advance. jon From cph Fri Oct 15 02:09:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA01956 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:09:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13739; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:08:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13607; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scn4.scn.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13581; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scn4.scn.org (209.63.95.149 -> scn4.scn.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:07:58 -0400 Received: from scn.org (er-chan@scn [209.63.95.146]) by scn4.scn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA11169 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (er-chan@localhost) by scn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA21938 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:11:42 -0700 (PDT) From: er-chan X-Sender: er-chan@scn To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: thinkpad I series Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone have any experience with thinkpad i1512 or the I series? Does it have a 3D graphics accelerator for games? How does it compare to the Fujitsu Lifebook C4120? Thanks. .-. \ o / \ / ((_)) | _| `----\--\' _-_ | >-< / \ \o _\__\---'---`---.___ /o\ ___.---'---`---.___ ( \ \----._er-chan__.----` at '----._scn.org.----` o ____________/_/_ _ o _/ usa.net \_ /|\ /\ ___\o(_) (_) / \ | \ /) | From cph Fri Oct 15 04:06:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA02285 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:06:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22968; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:06:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22805; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22781; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (140.142.77.10 -> jason03.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:05:57 -0400 Received: from dante36.u.washington.edu (williams@dante36.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.196]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA31166; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:05:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante36.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id BAA89876; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:05:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:05:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770ED Questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I've had my 770ED since January. I have a few questions Noise comes out of the speakers when the hard drive is being accessed and I move the trackpoint. Is this normal operation? The Setup Diagnostics run okay. The battery drops off from 28% to 5% instantly. I already tired the power cycling. Shouldn't it discharge in a linear manner? The Real-time Clock (RTC) seems to run a little slow. Maybe 10 minutes after a week or two. Some of the "paint" is coming off of the edge of the palm rest. Is this worth fixing? I lost the external floppy cable. The FAQ web site is not valid: "To order an IBM part click "Parts" at: http://ibm-direct.e-com.ibm.com" Is there a valid web site for this? Can I get one from a third party? Will the service center install the latest software upgrades, patches, and drivers? Is there any charge for this? Finally, what is the typical turn-around time? Thanks, John From cph Fri Oct 15 08:49:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA03280 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:49:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12489; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:48:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12350; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12337; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (207.115.59.113 -> pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:48:16 -0400 Received: from rknorr1 (KGTNB102-31.splitrock.net [209.253.201.31]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA743774 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:48:09 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01bf170b$e4de0d60$1fc9fdd1@rknorr1> From: "Russ Knorr" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:50:42 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph Fri Oct 15 08:55:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA03305 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:55:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13182; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:55:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13046; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13010; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:54:56 -0400 Received: from mmax4.vramp.net (mmax4.vramp.net [198.138.8.67]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA29912 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910151254.IAA29912@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:56:06 -0400 Subject: Re: 770ED Questions Reply-to: captjhem@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) List-Unsubscribe: On 15 Oct 99, at 1:05, J. Williams wrote: > I lost the external floppy cable. The FAQ web site is not valid: "To order > an IBM part click "Parts" at: http://ibm-direct.e-com.ibm.com" Is there a > valid web site for this? Can I get one from a third party? Try http://www.ibm.com/shop/ for the cable. There are third party sources for it also, try a search on Yahoo or Alta vista. James From cph Fri Oct 15 09:24:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA03487 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:24:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16559; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:21:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15760; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15623; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:20:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA03912; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:20:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:20:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Russ Knorr cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <001b01bf170b$e4de0d60$1fc9fdd1@rknorr1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, Russ Knorr wrote: > unsubscribe In order to List-Unsubscribe: mailto: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe Have a nice day.. Bruce Komar From cph Fri Oct 15 19:00:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA07465 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:00:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00131; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:58:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29757; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29743; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:58:09 -0400 Received: from abtp ([199.179.174.3]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <19991015225755.ZZBE11155.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@abtp>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:57:55 -0500 Message-ID: <007001bf175b$68686c80$03aeb3c7@abtp.designcraft.com> Reply-To: "Aaron W. Brown" From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "Valentino Kyriakides" Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: IR connection to Motorola mobile Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:19:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Win95A had no IrDA support originally but it was a downloadable addition that may still be available from MS. Aaron Brown. >Can somebody verify correct Win95 IrDa-Support? > >Greetings Valentino From cph Sat Oct 16 01:00:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA08606 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:00:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12340; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:59:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12189; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12175; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.111 -> pilot011.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:59:01 -0400 Received: from andres (pm455-21.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.31]) by pilot011.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA61504 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:58:57 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991016005909.00acb0e0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:59:09 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: thinkpad I series In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I can't speak about the 1512, but I can talk of the 1451 and 1472. Overall I am very impressed with the i Series, and have had my 1451i for just about six months now, being used daily. The quality of the hardware has been very good; my battery always had problems but after getting replaced its life improved a lot. The screen is perect, no bad pixels. The 1472 I keep working had a problem in the system board such that it couldn't deal with a second 64M DIMM; it was fixed by EZ Serve and returned to me in 3 days. There seem to be two design flaws in these units. The first is with the NiMH batteries; the units don't gauge the battery life correctly, hence the APM wants to shut the unitdown earlier than it should. The other flaw is the "Lucent technologies" V90 modem which is a quirky little beast and often performs worse than counterparts. Given my experiences with them, I'd recomend them. Honestly, I don't know what graphics acceleration there is in these units; I don't care so didn't look. STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 11:11 PM 10/14/1999 -0700, er-chan wrote: > >Does anyone have any experience with thinkpad i1512 or the > >I series? Does it have a 3D graphics accelerator for games? > >How does it compare to the Fujitsu Lifebook C4120? Thanks. > > .-. \ o / > \ / ((_)) | _| > `----\--\' _-_ | >-< / \ \o > _\__\---'---`---.___ /o\ ___.---'---`---.___ ( \ > \----._er-chan__.----` at '----._scn.org.----` o > ____________/_/_ _ o _/ usa.net \_ /|\ > /\ ___\o(_) (_) / \ > | \ /) | From cph Sat Oct 16 01:30:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA08679 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:30:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13609; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:29:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13447; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13411; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:28:01 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-21.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.21]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA25506 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991016012951.0135bcc0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:29:51 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: offtrack Q: Sap/R3 system or not ? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:54 PM 10/14/1999 -0600, Jon wrote: >Ok i am going to start graduate school this coming winter semester. There >are two paths for me to go now. > >1) Master science information system with concentration in business >processing engineering (SAP/R3 system) - central michigan university > >2) Master science computer information system. - eastern michigan >university- no concentration but i can take all the Oracle classes ! > I worked as a consultant for SAP/R3 for deployment and training on the PC end LAN/WAN'd to a cluster of IBM AS/400 mini machines and big mainframe machines. It is big in corporations and companies that need a seamless, integrated solution for all aspects of business, and the market is huge, but IMHO, SAP is the current, specific fad, and whilst the market is juicy and valid, I don't see it retaining the staying power of Oracle (which I also consult and do development work within). IMHO, Database design, development, deployment and DBA is a much more universal, flexible skill that has strengths in the fact that it isn't so specific, and the beauty is a lot of the learned skills. You will most likely learn traditional database design while also learning SQL (The database language of the gods). SQL is usable in just about EVERY RDBMS used today from Oracle to Access, Delphi, DB2, and more. Every big house I've been to runs Oracle even if they have SAP/R3 (Pronounced S-A-P. If you call it, "SAP," they usually get testy!). Years ago, when I was learning Database design, we learned it on Oracle running on SUN boxes. At the time I didn't realize just HOW important a choice of DB environment that was! I do a lot of work in Oracle especially coding VB/Access front ends to Oracle servers. Coupling Oracle/SQL/Access/Delphi skills (I use Oracle personal edition, even though it reeks of Win3.11 still on my desktop and Laptop), I've found myself backlogged with work requests and getting contracts is easy (I actually turn down some work). My laptop has Access97/VB6.0/Delphi4 and Oracle8 Personal Edition running under Win98 (Ok, shoot me for the OS!), and I would say over the course of a year, all environments are used extensively, especially VB and Oracle. On the flip side, a good friend concentrated on SAP/R3 (But then again he could code his *ss off and his choice of environments were easily assimilated), and a big computer company ended up hiring him away for SAP/R3 consultant work in the 6 digit salary range and paid all his expenses to relocate and gave him an allowance to fly back home on weekends as he saw fit. Highly skilled SAP/R3 consultants are in major demand now. Another good friend now works within a local company as a SAP/R3 consultant and she makes in the high 5 digits close to 6 with oodles of perks. I just think Oracle/DB work has a larger, more diversified segment of the market and gives you a little more flexibility, IMHO. In summary, both fields will pay you *very* well, but I think the more universal, flexible, traditional skills of Oracle especially in regards to RDBMS work bode much better for the sudden, lurching changes in the IT market than SAP/R3's more specific skillset, but this is just my opinion. :) Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Sat Oct 16 01:42:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA08696 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:42:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14401; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:41:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14178; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14153; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.142 -> as-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:41:02 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) id BAA16521 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from hil-qbu-ptf-vty24.as.wcom.net (hil-qbu-ptf-vty24.as.wcom.net [206.175.102.24]) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA16411 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:31:43 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.36) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <15688.991015@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad-Users Subject: Sierra Wireless AirCard 300 CDPD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello ThinkPad-Users, For the past couple of days, I've been working on a part of a project that includes the use of a Sierra Wireless AirCard 300 CDPD wireless Internet PCMCIA card. It's going into a notebook that stays with the client, but while the other notebook was in use elsewhere, I got the card registered, configured, and working in my ThinkPad 770ED. All in all, it's a pretty cool little device that enabled me to stay in touch without imposing on others to lend me the phone line on their FAX machine. Since my business Email is set up with an ISP that keeps track of the IP address used to collect Email and allows that address to be used to send Email for a half hour or so, I had no problems getting or sending my business Email. However, since the ISP on my personal account does not provide this capability, the Email message I'm composing will have to wait for a phone line or my return home. (Usually when I am out of town, I use CompuServe for my personal Email. I can pick up my Email from my ISP with no problem, but have to reconfigure my Email software to send to CompuServe's SMTP server.) The speed is nothing to write home about. I was getting about 1,000 cps. However, that's much better than zero! One odd thing about the AirCard / TP770ED combo is that whenever it is communicating over the air, the mouse cursor moves toward the left edge of the screen. I don't get to keep the card, so I'm not going to start a finger-pointing spree between Sierra Wireless and IBM. But, if either are lurking, I'd suggest that they see what they can do about the problem, as it pretty much makes the mouse (TrackPoint) useless during over-the-air communication. As I recall, it is *both* the responsibility of Part 15 devices to not generate and to reject harmful interference. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBOAedO28pw+2/9pUJEQLj7wCgwYV/8MFlzDBlKUq01VUPF9PSgHwAn0Uo MpVIC5+/xe7byFhOJ3J8+0IJ =Js3p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Sat Oct 16 05:53:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA09214 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 05:53:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05991; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 05:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 05:52:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05853; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 05:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05839; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 05:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.1 -> dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 05:52:43 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id EAA19143; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 04:52:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199910160952.EAA19143@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga12-15.ix.netcom.com(207.95.118.207) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019088; Sat Oct 16 04:51:34 1999 From: "Allan" To: "bukys@cs.rochester.edu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "bukys@cs.rochester.edu" Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 05:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199910141238.IAA02305@rum.cs.rochester.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Serial Port at COM5 List-Unsubscribe: delete your port from device manager. readd. should reappear as a lower com port number. this is a dose95 feature that sometimes gets unruly. Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:38:39 -0400 (EDT), bukys@cs.rochester.edu wrote: >I have a ThinkPad 770 (9548-40U) 13" TFT. Windows 95 (OSR1). > >At some point my serial port has numbered itself COM5, >which is pretty inconvenient because HyperTerminal only >knows how to open COM1 through COM4. > >My infrared port is COM1. >COM2 through COM4 are apparently just not present. > >Is there some easy way to renumber/rename my serial port >back down to 2, 3, or 4? > >Thanks. From cph Sat Oct 16 08:37:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA09593 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:37:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10579; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:36:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10445; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10430; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:36:40 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2ivebkt.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.46.157]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA26614 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:36:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad list" Subject: Encarta 2000 on a TP770Z Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:38:15 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: To all: Here's an interesting one. I recently bought a copy of the MS Encarta 2000 Reference Suite for DVD. I previously had a copy of the 1999 version also on DVD that was somehow lost so I was looking forward to having this helpful reference material again up and running on my laptop. Problem is the DVD will not install, or for that matter even open. When it is placed into my DVD player in the UltraBay the light on the door just blinks continuously. I tried installing it on an older TP770 that I have given to my wife and it installs and runs flawlessly. Called MS support and had someone there work with me for the better part of an hour trying to get it going, but no go. MS has now referred me to a higher level support group that will call me back within two weeks for further help. Apparently there have been some "encryption" issues with the CD version of Encarta 2000, but the support person had nothing in his database regarding problems with the DVD version. They had not apparently tested the Encarta 2000 DVD on the particular DVD player that resides in the 770Z ( a MATSUSHITA). Does anyone know if the DVD players in TP770 and the TP770Z are interchangeable? Regards, Bill Armstrong From cph Sat Oct 16 08:55:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA09613 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:55:04 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11376; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:54:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11207; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11196; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:54:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.3 -> imo13.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:54:14 -0400 Received: from JEShoemaker@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id wSIBa10996 (3700); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.a38762e8.2539cf53@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:53:39 EDT Subject: Re: Encarta 2000 on a TP770Z To: warmstrong@waldinc.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 List-Unsubscribe: In a message dated 16/10/99 08:37:23 Eastern Daylight Time, warmstrong@waldinc.com writes: > Here's an interesting one. I recently bought a copy of the MS Encarta 2000 > Reference Suite for DVD. I previously had a copy of the 1999 version also > on DVD that was somehow lost so I was looking forward to having this helpful > reference material again up and running on my laptop. Problem is the DVD > will not install, or for that matter even open. When it is placed into my > DVD player in the UltraBay the light on the door just blinks continuously. > I tried installing it on an older TP770 that I have given to my wife and it > installs and runs flawlessly. Called MS support and had someone there work > with me for the better part of an hour trying to get it going, but no go. > MS has now referred me to a higher level support group that will call me > back within two weeks for further help. Apparently there have been some > "encryption" issues with the CD version of Encarta 2000, but the support > person had nothing in his database regarding problems with the DVD version. > They had not apparently tested the Encarta 2000 DVD on the particular DVD > player that resides in the 770Z ( a MATSUSHITA). > > Does anyone know if the DVD players in TP770 and the TP770Z are > interchangeable? Bill, AFAIK, they are. Just try it and see. I had a similar experience with an MS Office07 Pro CD in the DVD that came with me 770X (9549-71O). However, when I install the CD or DVD drives that I have for my older 770 (9548-40U) these immediately commense loading the software. Because I have the other drives available, I haven't tried to resolve the problem with the 770X DVD. Please be sure to post and solution that you discover. TIA ... John From cph Sat Oct 16 09:39:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA09687 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:39:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12795; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:39:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12672; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.cutaway.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12658; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.cutaway.com (209.192.212.66 -> cutaway.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:38:58 -0400 Received: from nin (nin.cutaway.com [209.192.212.77]) by www.cutaway.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA31787; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:34:53 -0400 From: "Michael T Rowan" To: "Mark Bell" , Subject: RE: offtrack Q: Sap/R3 system or not ? Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:35:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991016012951.0135bcc0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Bell [mailto:bytehead@bellatlantic.net] > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 4:30 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: offtrack Q: Sap/R3 system or not ? > > > At 07:54 PM 10/14/1999 -0600, Jon wrote: > >Ok i am going to start graduate school this coming winter semester. There > >are two paths for me to go now. > > > >1) Master science information system with concentration in business > >processing engineering (SAP/R3 system) - central michigan university > > > >2) Master science computer information system. - eastern michigan > >university- no concentration but i can take all the Oracle classes ! > > > > I worked as a consultant for SAP/R3 for deployment and training on > the PC end LAN/WAN'd to a cluster of IBM AS/400 mini machines and big > mainframe machines. It is big in corporations and companies that need a > seamless, integrated solution for all aspects of business, and the > market is huge, but IMHO, SAP is the current, specific fad, and whilst the > market is juicy and valid, I don't see it retaining the staying power of > Oracle (which I also consult and do development work within). IMHO, > Database design, development, deployment and DBA is a much more > universal, flexible skill that has strengths in the fact that it isn't > so specific, and the beauty is a lot of the learned skills. You will > most likely learn traditional database design while also learning SQL > (The database language of the gods). SQL is usable in just about > EVERY RDBMS used today from Oracle to Access, Delphi, DB2, and more. > Every big house I've been to runs Oracle even if they have SAP/R3 > (Pronounced S-A-P. If you call it, "SAP," they usually get testy!). I agree with Mark here. Oracle does have a lot more staying power, and the database principles you learn are readily applied to the other databases (DB/2 (some smaller companies database, I forget who ;-) Sybase, Informix, etc) SAP/R3 sits on top of DB/2 or Oracle. Its a complex beast, for which the demand now is high. But last I looked SAP was sucking rocks this year, which I think has a lot to do with the surge of Y2K gigs -- people (like Mobil) solving their Y2K problems by migrating business function to SAP. And remember that a complete SAP integration is a 3-5 year process. Anyone trying to roll the whole thing out into thier business in less time is probably smoking crack. But a lot of companies bought SAP for the Y2K thing, and because of the intergation cycle all of those sales happened in 96-98. 99 is too late. That doesn't mean that SAP will not be here next year -- it will, but there is a current demand in the market that won't be quite as high come 2001. (Aside from SAP being rather boring ;-) > > Years ago, when I was learning Database design, we learned it on > Oracle running on SUN boxes. At the time I didn't realize just HOW > important a choice of DB environment that was! I do a lot of work > in Oracle especially coding VB/Access front ends to Oracle servers. > Coupling Oracle/SQL/Access/Delphi skills (I use Oracle personal > edition, even > though it reeks of Win3.11 still on my desktop and Laptop), I've > found myself > backlogged with work requests and getting contracts is easy (I > actually turn down some work). My laptop has Access97/VB6.0/Delphi4 and > Oracle8 Personal Edition running under Win98 (Ok, shoot me for the OS!), > and I would say over the course of a year, all environments are used > extensively, especially VB and Oracle. > > On the flip side, a good friend concentrated on SAP/R3 (But then > again he could code his *ss off and his choice of environments > were easily assimilated), and a big computer company ended up hiring him > away for SAP/R3 consultant work in the 6 digit salary range and > paid all his expenses to relocate and gave him an allowance to > fly back home on weekends as he saw fit. Highly skilled SAP/R3 Not a fair comparison. Oracle consultants (talking here about architecture/design) are making anywhere from 150/hr to 400/hr. (It's what we do) And if you can stomach Oracle Financials, its gravy train day for you since those gigs are usually on the middle to high end of that scale. At least the ones we deal with. And "we" isn't Anderson Consulting -- its a 4 person shop. For reference SAP basis guys are looking at the 125-325 range usually, and SAP programmers are higher. I personally think these number will shift after some of the Y2K projects end, which will "flood" the market with all the people the fortune-500 are keeping in the basement as consultants. (Of course, many of these guys won't really *have* to work after that so they may not flood the market, they may flood the beaches) > consultants are in major demand now. Another good friend now works within > a local company as a SAP/R3 consultant and she makes in the high > 5 digits close to 6 with oodles of perks. I just think Oracle/DB work > has a larger, more diversified segment of the market and gives > you a little more flexibility, IMHO. But again, I agree with Mark -- I think that it would be a mistake to focus so narrowly on just SAP. The skills you learn on the other end are applicable in a larger context -- go with the DB track. > > In summary, both fields will pay you *very* well, but I think the more > universal, flexible, traditional skills of Oracle especially in > regards to RDBMS work bode much better for the sudden, lurching changes > in the IT market than SAP/R3's more specific skillset, but this is just > my opinion. :) > > Mark > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- From cph Sat Oct 16 22:30:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA11791 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:30:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06591; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:25:37 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06134; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:25:35 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id WAA07339 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02652; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:08:10 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-195.islandnet.com [139.142.112.195] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m11cdrp-0006ePC for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:08:05 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 390 - Dialing tones from PMCIA modem Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 11:18:02 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <3.0.6.32.19991006100131.007d3cf0@pop.tm.net.my> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991006100131.007d3cf0@pop.tm.net.my> Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: :I am using a Xircom Creditcard Ethernet+Modem 33.6 with my TP390. Until :lately I could hear the dialing tones from the modem whenever I used :dial-up networking. Now the modem is quiet when dialing although it is :working well. Assuming that you have the sound activated in the TP, you might try putting ATM1 in the init string Modem > Connection > Advanced > Extra settings -- cheers Jonathan From cph Sat Oct 16 22:33:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA11799 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:33:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06589; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:25:49 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06159; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:25:47 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id WAA07355 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02662; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:08:13 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-195.islandnet.com [139.142.112.195] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m11cdro-0006deC for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:08:04 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701CS Info needed Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:56:08 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <199910070813.BAA23184@ritchie.loop.com> In-Reply-To: <199910070813.BAA23184@ritchie.loop.com> Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Paul : :Oh, I knew there were preload CD's IBM made for that machine (not any more). :I bought a copy of the CD from someone on the list about 2 years or so ago. :Would anyone still have a copy of this CD, or know where I might be able to get it? :There were some things on the preload I'd like to work with again, but I can't find my CD. : I copied the preload onto zip disks. Now, if I could only get the manual and disks that came with the 701-to-dock-ii adaptor ... -- cheers Jonathan From cph Sat Oct 16 22:53:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA11862 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:53:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08074; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:49:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07802; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07789; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:49:27 -0400 Received: from mmax35.vramp.net (mmax35.vramp.net [198.138.8.98]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA11195 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910170249.WAA11195@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:49:21 -0400 Subject: Help! - 755CD Li-Ion Battery Reply-to: captjhem@waterw.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) List-Unsubscribe: Oh great Thinkpad Gurus! (Bill, Mark!!!) Bought a (allegedly) brand new Li-Ion battery for my 755CD on eBay the other day. Got a good price, unfortunately it appears to be dead. It's the correct battery for my unit according to IBM's website. I've tried it in 3 755Cds (all Pentiums) and the charge light will come on briefly and then go out, along with the AC light. All of the units will charge a NiMH battery without a problem. Am I missing something here? Is there an internal selector I need to throw in order to use an Li-Ion battery? BTW, the seller is a standup guy and says he'll replace it, no problem. I just thought I'd check the web wisdom first in case it's operator error. Thanks, James From cph Sat Oct 16 23:56:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA11998 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:56:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10258; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:52:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10084; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10069; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:52:46 -0400 Received: from denhall (tc1-28.ismi.net [205.216.96.33]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA19344; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000f01bf185b$c5422440$2160d8cd@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: , Subject: Re: Help! - 755CD Li-Ion Battery Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:54:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello James, the Li-Ion Battery is only supported if your 755CD is a Pentium model... The 486/100 does not support Li-Ion... Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan 810.229.2881 -----Original Message----- From: James H. E. Maugham To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, October 16, 1999 10:01 PM Subject: Help! - 755CD Li-Ion Battery >Oh great Thinkpad Gurus! (Bill, Mark!!!) > >Bought a (allegedly) brand new Li-Ion battery for my 755CD on eBay the >other day. Got a good price, unfortunately it appears to be dead. > >It's the correct battery for my unit according to IBM's website. > >I've tried it in 3 755Cds (all Pentiums) and the charge light will come on briefly >and then go out, along with the AC light. All of the units will charge a NiMH >battery without a problem. > >Am I missing something here? Is there an internal selector I need to throw in >order to use an Li-Ion battery? > >BTW, the seller is a standup guy and says he'll replace it, no problem. I just >thought I'd check the web wisdom first in case it's operator error. > >Thanks, > >James > From cph Sun Oct 17 00:36:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA12123 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:36:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12472; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:33:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12291; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12270; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:33:14 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p43.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.136]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA17665 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910170436.VAA17665@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:32:01 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP760 Caddies List-Unsubscribe: I hope not to offend anyone if this is viewed as an ad, but I have a few 760 hard drive caddies for sale if anyone would like. I have several left over from upgrades, so they are used. Please send me personal email if you are interested. Paul From cph Sun Oct 17 01:28:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA12239 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:28:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14730; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:23:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14602; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14587; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:23:07 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p45.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.138]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA19228 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910170526.WAA19228@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:21:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP760 Caddies List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:32:01 -0700, Paul Khoury wrote: >I hope not to offend anyone if this is viewed as an ad, but >I have a few 760 hard drive caddies for sale if anyone would like. I have several >left over from upgrades, so they are used. > >Please send me personal email if you are interested. > I might also that these are from 3.2GB drives, and will accomodate only 12.5 or 9.5mm drives. Paul From cph Sun Oct 17 01:43:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA12252 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:43:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15467; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:34:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15212; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15199; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (198.206.134.26 -> chickasaw.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:34:52 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-359.gate.net [199.227.173.105]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA84164; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:34:37 -0400 Message-ID: <38095FFF.FCE59D3E@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:34:55 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Armstrong CC: ThinkPad list Subject: Re: Encarta 2000 on a TP770Z References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill.. i think they are NOT interchangeable.. but i doubt if there would be any damage if you tried it.. just would not work.. note: the loder DVD CD works with the older enhanced video adapter, and this does not work in the newer machines.. William Armstrong wrote: > To all: > > Here's an interesting one. I recently bought a copy of the MS Encarta 2000 > Reference Suite for DVD. I previously had a copy of the 1999 version also > on DVD that was somehow lost so I was looking forward to having this helpful > reference material again up and running on my laptop. Problem is the DVD > will not install, or for that matter even open. When it is placed into my > DVD player in the UltraBay the light on the door just blinks continuously. > I tried installing it on an older TP770 that I have given to my wife and it > installs and runs flawlessly. Called MS support and had someone there work > with me for the better part of an hour trying to get it going, but no go. > MS has now referred me to a higher level support group that will call me > back within two weeks for further help. Apparently there have been some > "encryption" issues with the CD version of Encarta 2000, but the support > person had nothing in his database regarding problems with the DVD version. > They had not apparently tested the Encarta 2000 DVD on the particular DVD > player that resides in the 770Z ( a MATSUSHITA). > > Does anyone know if the DVD players in TP770 and the TP770Z are > interchangeable? > > Regards, > Bill Armstrong -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sun Oct 17 05:20:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA12729 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 05:20:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28553; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 05:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 05:14:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27746; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 05:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27732; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 05:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (192.134.240.50 -> uhbhic.uhb.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 05:14:29 -0400 Received: from tp-770 (cb1342.uhb.fr [192.134.240.31]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id LAA03298 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:14:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <38099566.128E@uhb.fr> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:22:46 +0200 From: Sylvestre Meininger X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: TP Hard Drives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Sorry if this sounds ignorant, but... Bill Morrow's website lists 12.5mm HDs as compatible with the 770 line despite the fact that 770s are sold with 17mm HDs. How do you fit a 12.5mm drive into the HD bay of a 770 ? Now, maybe I got it wrong and you can use 12.5 drives ONLY in the 770 Ultrabay. Nevertheless, that would mean the Ultrabay can allow 12.5mm AND 17mm drives, which sounds hard to believe. Could someone shed a little light on this ? And, speaking of HDs, what kind of drive can one fit into a 560z ? From cph Sun Oct 17 08:31:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA22467 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 08:31:07 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10919; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 08:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 08:28:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10799; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 08:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10786; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 08:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.1 -> sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 08:28:20 -0400 Received: (qmail 18323 invoked by alias); 17 Oct 1999 12:28:14 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 18299 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 1999 12:28:13 -0000 Received: from dialupv99.sttl.uswest.net (HELO peter) (216.160.85.99) by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 17 Oct 1999 12:28:13 -0000 From: "p machule" To: , Subject: Re: Help! - 755CD Li-Ion Battery Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 05:29:20 -0700 Message-ID: <01bf189b$3c9a35c0$6355a0d8@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Common problem with those . These are probably the first gen ones and if they sit for a while they give the charging system in 755CX's and 755Cd the fits . I have had a couple replaced under warranty which in hindsight were possibly fine. IBM appears to know nothing about this and will not replace the first gen ones with the much better and compatible ones from the 760 series . How to fix : Get the IBM 755 series external charger, it beat them into submission . :-} The part number is not in front of me right now but they seem to show up for $20 ish here and there. I only use them for a intial charge time of ~10 minutes or so and then stick them in the proper laptop. The chargers instuctions do not specifically mention Li/Ion, but is has worked for me so far. ..peter... PS how much was the battery ? -----Original Message----- From: James H. E. Maugham To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, October 16, 1999 7:49 PM Subject: Help! - 755CD Li-Ion Battery >Oh great Thinkpad Gurus! (Bill, Mark!!!) > >Bought a (allegedly) brand new Li-Ion battery for my 755CD on eBay the >other day. Got a good price, unfortunately it appears to be dead. > >It's the correct battery for my unit according to IBM's website. > >I've tried it in 3 755Cds (all Pentiums) and the charge light will come on briefly >and then go out, along with the AC light. All of the units will charge a NiMH >battery without a problem. > >Am I missing something here? Is there an internal selector I need to throw in >order to use an Li-Ion battery? > >BTW, the seller is a standup guy and says he'll replace it, no problem. I just >thought I'd check the web wisdom first in case it's operator error. > >Thanks, > >James > From cph Sun Oct 17 10:12:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA22747 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:12:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13548; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:09:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13324; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13310; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:09:45 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:09:50 -0400 Message-ID: <40E8526E9CA4D011A45800805FFEAEDB061FD900@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: "'Sylvestre Meininger '" , "'ThinkPad Mailing List '" Subject: RE: TP Hard Drives Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:09:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" List-Unsubscribe: Hi Sylvestre, The fragile bare drive fits inside a "caddy". The caddie isbig enough for the 17mm and takes the 12 mm with room to spare. It's the caddy that pops into the HD slot (these caddies are rather pricey, btw). You can also buy a 2nd HD adapter (ditto, pricey) to hold the caddie and then it fits into the ultrabay. Regards, Neil tp770 tp600 tp701 -----Original Message----- From: Sylvestre Meininger To: ThinkPad Mailing List Sent: 10/17/99 5:22 AM Subject: TP Hard Drives Sorry if this sounds ignorant, but... Bill Morrow's website lists 12.5mm HDs as compatible with the 770 line despite the fact that 770s are sold with 17mm HDs. How do you fit a 12.5mm drive into the HD bay of a 770 ? Now, maybe I got it wrong and you can use 12.5 drives ONLY in the 770 Ultrabay. Nevertheless, that would mean the Ultrabay can allow 12.5mm AND 17mm drives, which sounds hard to believe. Could someone shed a little light on this ? And, speaking of HDs, what kind of drive can one fit into a 560z ? From cph Sun Oct 17 10:48:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA22836 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:48:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15019; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:46:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14826; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14805; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:45:19 -0400 Received: from qcupc01 (mmax25.vramp.net [198.138.8.88]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA07780; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801bf18ad$6759a400$58088ac6@qcupc01.qad.com> From: "James H. E. Maugham. " To: "Sylvestre Meininger" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: TP Hard Drives Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:39:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Sylvestre Meinenger wrote: >Bill Morrow's website lists 12.5mm HDs as compatible with the 770 line >despite the fact that 770s are sold with 17mm HDs. How do you fit a >12.5mm drive into the HD bay of a 770 ? Where's the problem, put it i a 17mm shell! >Now, maybe I got it wrong and you can use 12.5 drives ONLY in the 770 >Ultrabay. Nevertheless, that would mean the Ultrabay can allow 12.5mm >AND 17mm drives, which sounds hard to believe. As long as you're going SMALLER there shouldn't be a problem. E.g., you can put a 12.5mm drive in a 17mm drive holder, but not usually vice versa. As long as you're gong to a smaller form factor, there are seldom any problems. Regards, James From cph Sun Oct 17 11:15:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA22901 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:15:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16273; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:12:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16086; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16072; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.1 -> sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:12:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 3008 invoked by alias); 17 Oct 1999 15:12:49 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 2996 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 1999 15:12:48 -0000 Received: from dialupv99.sttl.uswest.net (HELO peter) (216.160.85.99) by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 17 Oct 1999 15:12:48 -0000 From: "p machule" To: "James H. E. Maugham. " Cc: "thinkpad" Subject: Re: Help! - 755CD Li-Ion Battery Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 08:13:52 -0700 Message-ID: <01bf18b2$38d39960$6355a0d8@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: The 760 series batteries work fine and are the official replacement for the 755 's batteries . Note that we are talking LI-IOn here. IBM is so anal that they will not replace 755 batteries under warranty with the 760s, even though they are cheaper. On our low profile 760's ( the so called thin ones) the 755 batteries will not fit as they are 2 mm higher ( and have 10% less power ;-} I do not know if they fit in the 765's bay . Try it . > Got a brand new Extend unit for my 755CS units for $20, but the 755CD unit seems > to always go for relatively big bucks. That's interesting There are two versions of the external charger ???? I'm out of town so I can't look up my part number . I bet you I'm using the cheaper one though (grin) ..peter.. >>IBM appears to know nothing about this and will not replace the first gen >ones with >>the much better and compatible ones from the 760 series . > > >Hmmm...., I've never considered trying the battery in my 765, nor trying to >fit the 765 batt into the 755. Always thought they were incompatible. I'll >have to eyeball them, although the IBM website says switching them is a >no-no. > From cph Sun Oct 17 14:24:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA23436 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:24:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22168; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:21:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21945; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21931; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (195.92.193.20 -> mail5.svr.pol.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:21:27 -0400 Received: from modem-53.argon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.8.181] helo=echidna) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11cuvt-0003AV-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:21:25 +0100 From: "Costas S. Iliopoulos" Organization: King's College London To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:19:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: White sctreen -TFT 365x Reply-to: csi@dcs.kcl.ac.uk Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Message-Id: List-Unsubscribe: Hi there, I opened the screen cover of a 365X to remove some dirt. Now (occasionally) the screen starts shaking a bit, then turns blurred and finally turns completely white. *Fn+F3 followed by any key restores the screen to its normal colours. * all screen cables are secure ((as originally) taped to the cover!) Any ideas, what does it cause this problem? Cheers Costas ______________________________________________________________________ Costas S. Iliopoulos Algorithm Design Group Tel: +44 20 7848 2809 Dept of Computer Science Fax: +44 20 7848 2851 King's College London Sec: +44 20 7848 2588 Strand London WC2R 2LS England http://www.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/staff/csi ______________________________________________________________________ From cph Sun Oct 17 16:34:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA23844 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:34:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26456; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:31:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26269; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26256; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:31:40 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-381.gate.net [199.227.131.190]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA145028; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:31:25 -0400 Message-ID: <380A322B.8E95FB02@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:31:40 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" CC: "'Sylvestre Meininger '" , "'ThinkPad Mailing List '" Subject: Re: TP Hard Drives References: <40E8526E9CA4D011A45800805FFEAEDB061FD900@exch1.smh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Neil.. thanks for saving me some typing.. :-) "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" wrote: > Hi Sylvestre, > > The fragile bare drive fits inside a "caddy". The caddie isbig enough for > the 17mm and takes the 12 mm with room to spare. It's the caddy that pops > into the HD slot (these caddies are rather pricey, btw). You can also buy a > 2nd HD adapter (ditto, pricey) to hold the caddie and then it fits into the > ultrabay. > > Regards, > > Neil > tp770 > tp600 > tp701 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sylvestre Meininger > To: ThinkPad Mailing List > Sent: 10/17/99 5:22 AM > Subject: TP Hard Drives > > Sorry if this sounds ignorant, but... > > Bill Morrow's website lists 12.5mm HDs as compatible with the 770 line > despite the fact that 770s are sold with 17mm HDs. How do you fit a > 12.5mm drive into the HD bay of a 770 ? > > Now, maybe I got it wrong and you can use 12.5 drives ONLY in the 770 > Ultrabay. Nevertheless, that would mean the Ultrabay can allow 12.5mm > AND 17mm drives, which sounds hard to believe. > > Could someone shed a little light on this ? > > And, speaking of HDs, what kind of drive can one fit into a 560z ? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sun Oct 17 16:37:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA23856 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:37:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26910; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:34:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26661; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26627; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:34:32 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-381.gate.net [199.227.131.190]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA132980; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:34:17 -0400 Message-ID: <380A32D7.F2164896@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:34:31 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csi@dcs.kcl.ac.uk CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: White sctreen -TFT 365x References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Costas... dirt on the fragile little plugs, worn cable at the flex point and, maybe, gremlins.. :-) (not the now classic car) "Costas S. Iliopoulos" wrote: > Hi there, > > I opened the screen cover of a 365X to remove some dirt. Now > (occasionally) the screen starts shaking a bit, then turns blurred > and finally turns completely white. > > *Fn+F3 followed by any key restores the screen to its normal > colours. > > * all screen cables are secure ((as originally) taped to the cover!) > > Any ideas, what does it cause this problem? > > Cheers > Costas > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Costas S. Iliopoulos > > Algorithm Design Group Tel: +44 20 7848 2809 > Dept of Computer Science Fax: +44 20 7848 2851 > King's College London Sec: +44 20 7848 2588 > Strand > London WC2R 2LS > England http://www.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/staff/csi > ______________________________________________________________________ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sun Oct 17 19:18:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA24345 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:18:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03782; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:15:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03559; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03543; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:15:44 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03215; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <380A5886.50A88E16@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:15:18 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ronald W. Heiby" CC: ThinkPad-Users Subject: Re: Sierra Wireless AirCard 300 CDPD References: <15688.991015@falkor.chi.il.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I experienced the exact same problem of the mouse cursor moving while the CDPD modem was transmitting, on a 770. I have not seen the same problem on a 560, a 570, or a 600. --Lee Hetherington From cph Mon Oct 18 00:06:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA25338 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:06:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13897; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:02:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13628; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ux11.cso.uiuc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13615; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ux11.cso.uiuc.edu (128.174.5.105 -> ux11.cso.uiuc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:02:49 -0400 Received: from neurautr (poodle-15.slip.uiuc.edu [130.126.26.15]) by ux11.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA20262 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:02:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006601bf191d$36d8ff40$9107fea9@neurautr> From: "George Neurauter" To: Subject: TP i Series - Upgrading and some info Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:59:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I haven't been on the list for a while and I thought I would rejoin since the IBM Support web site is delightfully unhelpful. I have an i Series 1410, the original P266/12.1" TFT model. I have been trying to find info about the i Series online, but have been quite unsuccessful. I have been thinking of starting an i Series web site, but, anyway, I was wondering if anyone out there has an i Series and if they have done any successful upgrades. I have 96 MB of RAM in mine, but the 3.2 GB HD is already at the limit. IBM contends that the i Series is a closed design with no possible upgrade, but I have seen hard drive upgrades with BIOS overlays available at www.conrolmemory.com and at least one other place which I can't recall. I think that it is upgradable, but the Thinkpad probably needs to be disassembled to get at the drive. I know I could put a 12.5mm drive in there and have been looking at a Fujitsu 10.2 GB UDMA/33 drive. I would like to know if anyone has tried this at all before I start trying to get the service manual and do it myself. If anyone's looking at the i Series, I think they are very nice. The only thing with them is that IBM doesn't offer their EasyServ extended warranty past the first year, cutting their available warranty to only one year on all models. I wasn't very happy when I heard this, but I got a 3 year warranty with Circuit City for $220 which entails replacement of the notebook in case something can't be fixed, so I'm happy with that. I've had mine for about a year now and have been quite satisfied. There was a service issue with upgrading the BIOS, but it has been resolved. My NiMH battery is way off in alignment and it won't operate more than 15 minutes before the computer's power management kicks in, but the battery lasts for a good 2 hours. I have to get that replaced before it goes out of warranty with IBM. It also has an issue with the hard drive being excessively loud. I have had it replaced once, but it still makes the same noise, which make me wonder about the reliability of it. I don't know what model the hard drive is (IBM won't tell). Despite these problems, I really like it. The TrackPoint is vastly superior to all touchpads; this is after I thought that I liked the touchpads better. The full size keyboard is excellent, almost like typing on a regular keyboard and you get the nice wrist rest too. I also have RedHat Linux 6.1 on a 1 GB partition which installs without a hitch. I would love to hear anyone else's experience with their i Series. I am considering doing the i Series web site, so if anyone has any good info about theirs, I would definitely put it on the site. George neurautr@uiuc.edu From cph Mon Oct 18 00:41:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA25434 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:41:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16150; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:39:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15977; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web206.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15949; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web206.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.106 -> web206.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:39:45 -0400 Message-ID: <19991018043959.9212.rocketmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.77.88.98] by web206.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:39:59 PDT Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Pencetera Reply-To: mike@pencetera.com Subject: Oddball 760L problem... To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Hi Everyone, I have a 760L with a really odd problem. It will boot >from a vanilla floppy, but if I try and upgrade the bios or run win95 off the harddrive it automatically goes into standby mode (with the lcd showing days) and won't come back without removing the battery... Not sure how to proceed. I just booted it off a floppy and ran a battery of tests from a hardware interrogation/benchmark program... it passed them all with flying colors. It also passes all of the built-in test and such.... it just goes to sleep whenever I try and boot off the hard drive (win95) or use the bios update program. Anyone have any guesses?? ===== http://www.pencetera.com - Your Source For Low Cost, High Quality Fountain Pens __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From cph Mon Oct 18 09:59:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA26980 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:59:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21697; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:54:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21388; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21354; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:54:08 -0400 Received: from denhall (tc3-05.ismi.net [205.216.96.110]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA13651 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004601bf1979$1d4bb020$6e60d8cd@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: Subject: Oddball 760L problem... Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:57:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: >Hi Mike... > >I have a hint... >It sounds to me like the suspend switch is malfunctioning. > >I have a 760EL that I received which frustrated me for a couple of days... >I assumed the Main Board was bad, since it wouldn't boot, with similar >description to yours...but then I noticed that the little switch that is >activated >when the display is closed (rear portion of laptop) was damaged. So, >whenever >unit boots using IBM defaults, it simply shuts down. > >I believe there are two hibernation switches...the one I just mentioned in >middle >back top which is triggered by closing display, and also one under the >keyboard >which activates when *hot-swapping* UltraBay components... > >I'm thinking the good news for you is that it's probably not a fatal >problem... > >Best of Luck.. >Denis Hall, Michigan >Have a Great Day, >Denis Hall, Michigan >810.229.2881 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Pencetera >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Date: Sunday, October 17, 1999 11:40 PM >Subject: Oddball 760L problem... > > >>Hi Everyone, >> >>I have a 760L with a really odd problem. It will boot >>from a vanilla floppy, but if I try and upgrade the >>bios or run win95 off the harddrive it automatically >>goes into standby mode (with the lcd showing days) and >>won't come back without removing the battery... >> >>Not sure how to proceed. I just booted it off a floppy >>and ran a battery of tests from a hardware >>interrogation/benchmark program... it passed them all >>with flying colors. It also passes all of the built-in >>test and such.... it just goes to sleep whenever I try >>and boot off the hard drive (win95) or use the bios >>update program. Anyone have any guesses?? >> >> >>===== >>http://www.pencetera.com - Your Source For Low Cost, High Quality Fountain >Pens >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com >> > From cph Mon Oct 18 11:59:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA27739 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:59:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10628; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:50:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10423; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10381; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:50:13 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-91.gate.net [199.227.20.154]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA55114; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:47:53 -0400 Message-ID: <380B41AF.77209B2B@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:50:07 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike@pencetera.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Oddball 760L problem... References: <19991018043959.9212.rocketmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i just posted another hint.. check the movement of the switch at the bottom of the display, then CAN become stuck down.. its a well known problem, but your symptoms don't seem to indicate that this is the problem.. the under keyboard switch is actuated by a little post which cams the switch which is insdie the palmrest.. look at the hardware manuals on the IBM site for exact placement and operation.. make sure there is no debris or dust or the like hindering either switch.. Pencetera wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have a 760L with a really odd problem. It will boot > from a vanilla floppy, but if I try and upgrade the > bios or run win95 off the harddrive it automatically > goes into standby mode (with the lcd showing days) and > won't come back without removing the battery... > > Not sure how to proceed. I just booted it off a floppy > and ran a battery of tests from a hardware > interrogation/benchmark program... it passed them all > with flying colors. It also passes all of the built-in > test and such.... it just goes to sleep whenever I try > and boot off the hard drive (win95) or use the bios > update program. Anyone have any guesses?? > > ===== > http://www.pencetera.com - Your Source For Low Cost, High Quality Fountain Pens > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Mon Oct 18 12:02:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA27755 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:02:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10167; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:47:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09849; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09766; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:46:38 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-91.gate.net [199.227.20.154]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA408260; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:44:26 -0400 Message-ID: <380B40E0.1187DF3B@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:46:40 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Denis Hall CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Oddball 760L problem... References: <004601bf1979$1d4bb020$6e60d8cd@denhall> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: FWIW, the switch at the bottom of the display is known for getting stuck in the "down" position, but the symptoms don't "SEEM" to indicate that this is the problem.. Denis Hall wrote: > >Hi Mike... > > > >I have a hint... > >It sounds to me like the suspend switch is malfunctioning. > > > >I have a 760EL that I received which frustrated me for a couple of days... > >I assumed the Main Board was bad, since it wouldn't boot, with similar > >description to yours...but then I noticed that the little switch that is > >activated > >when the display is closed (rear portion of laptop) was damaged. So, > >whenever > >unit boots using IBM defaults, it simply shuts down. > > > >I believe there are two hibernation switches...the one I just mentioned in > >middle > >back top which is triggered by closing display, and also one under the > >keyboard > >which activates when *hot-swapping* UltraBay components... > > > >I'm thinking the good news for you is that it's probably not a fatal > >problem... > > > >Best of Luck.. > >Denis Hall, Michigan > >Have a Great Day, > >Denis Hall, Michigan > >810.229.2881 > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Pencetera > >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > >Date: Sunday, October 17, 1999 11:40 PM > >Subject: Oddball 760L problem... > > > > > >>Hi Everyone, > >> > >>I have a 760L with a really odd problem. It will boot > >>from a vanilla floppy, but if I try and upgrade the > >>bios or run win95 off the harddrive it automatically > >>goes into standby mode (with the lcd showing days) and > >>won't come back without removing the battery... > >> > >>Not sure how to proceed. I just booted it off a floppy > >>and ran a battery of tests from a hardware > >>interrogation/benchmark program... it passed them all > >>with flying colors. It also passes all of the built-in > >>test and such.... it just goes to sleep whenever I try > >>and boot off the hard drive (win95) or use the bios > >>update program. Anyone have any guesses?? > >> > >> > >>===== > >>http://www.pencetera.com - Your Source For Low Cost, High Quality Fountain > >Pens > >> > >>__________________________________________________ > >>Do You Yahoo!? > >>Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > >> > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Mon Oct 18 17:12:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA30202 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:12:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13335; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:08:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13163; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xnor.engin.umich.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13149; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xnor.engin.umich.edu (141.213.42.36 -> xnor.engin.umich.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:08:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (arteitle@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xnor.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA02210; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:08:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: arteitle@engin.umich.edu Subject: 701C Newbie questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Greetings, all. As a newly indoctrinated member to the cult of the 701C "Butterfly", I naturally have a few questions about using this quirky little machine under Windows 98 (well, actually, Windows 98 SE Lite, which is essentially 95's more efficient shell running on 98's more capable foundation. See http://www.98lite.net for more info). Chances are, people's experiences with the 701 under 95 and 98 would apply here. First of all, does the "Restart" function from the Shut Down menu ever work? For me it quits windows, and hangs at the shutdown screen (or, since I deleted the screen, at a black screen with a cursor flashing in the corner). My only option then is to power off and on again with the power switch. The hold-shift-while-restarting quick-restart works fine, as does "Shut Down", but plain old "Restart" doesn't work. Any ideas? Second, what infrared device drivers should I install to enable the 701C's built-in irda port to work with Win98's built-in IR file transfer facility? By default it installs a com port, "IBM Infrared Communications Port" or something like that, but since it's installed as a com port and not an IR device, this doesn't enable IR transfer services. I tried installing a "Generic IR dongle or adapter" and telling Win98 it was connected to this com port, and while this allowed my 701C to intermittently see other computers, those other computers (a Dell laptop and a homebuilt desktop) both refused to notice the 701C. I had the idea to disable this "Infrared Communications Port" in Win98's device manager, and then install the included "Plug-and-Play Infrared Port" driver, set to the same I/O address and Interrupt, and see what happens. I haven't had a chance to try this out yet, however. Also, I've heard mention of a file from Microsoft called "win95ir.com" or something close; do the drivers it includes work in 98 as well? Is there any way to force a battery pack to recalculate its capacity? As we know all too well, voltage depression tends to make NiCad batteries runtimes less and less over time, making the 701's remaining time indicator less and less useful. Can I order the battery to clear its memory and recalibrate itself? Finally, is there any source for individual replacement keycaps for the keyboard? While I was cleaning and lubricating the sticky keys on my butterfly, someone (other than myself) managed to drop one keycap on the floor, and I managed to step on it. The post on the back of the key broke off; gluing it back on left it misaligned enough that the key would stick down, so right now it's detached, and the key wobbles around (but still works alright). Whew.. I think that's about it, for now. :) Thanks in advance. Aaron Teitlebaum arteitle@engin.umich.edu From cph Mon Oct 18 18:58:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA32438 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:58:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21012; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:55:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20840; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20821; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (208.139.144.3 -> mail.advi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:55:09 -0400 Received: from ecamin (s139149035.advi.net [208.139.149.35]) by mail.advi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA11470; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002d01bf19bb$d05b8220$23958bd0@ecamin> From: "Edwin A Camin" To: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: 701C Newbie questions Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:54:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: Aaron R. Teitlebaum To: Cc: Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 5:08 PM Subject: 701C Newbie questions Try hitting fn+f7 twice. It used to work in win98 on my now sold TP701. For some unknown reason switching a non-existant external display on and off seems to wake up the 701. Ed > Waking up the TP701? > > Aaron Teitlebaum > arteitle@engin.umich.edu > > > > From cph Tue Oct 19 01:51:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA02443 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:51:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09613; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:43:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09378; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09345; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (24.112.32.20 -> smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:42:35 -0400 Received: from mail.on.rogers.wave.ca ([24.112.32.4]:44536 "EHLO mail.on.rogers.wave.ca" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca with ESMTP id <513048-10549>; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:41:35 -0400 Received: from cr394328-a.rchrd1.on.wave.home.com ([24.112.93.189]:1852 "HELO actprod" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by mail.on.rogers.wave.ca with SMTP id <324684-27977>; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:42:06 -0400 From: "Tom Trottier" To: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry), THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:41:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Batteries, 701 Reply-to: TomTrottier@hotmail.com Priority: urgent In-reply-to: References: <4.1.19990905133555.00bf9a00@wcnet.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: <19991019054214Z324684-27977+258@mail.on.rogers.wave.ca> List-Unsubscribe: How about filing the contacts a little to clean them. This should reduce any excess resistance. I like the diamond-coated nail files you can get in any drug store. Tom On 6 Sep 99, at 7:52, Jonathan Berry wrote: Subject: Re: Batteries, 701 Date sent: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 07:52:53 -0800 ... > Recently, a second battery which had a pretty good rating > (about 2:40 if I recall) suddenly stopped working. The > Configuration Utility variously says "battery not installed" or > "defective battery", and two of the four contacts on the > battery are slightly discoloured (one is more green, the other > is more bronze). I guess that it shorted or maybe the chip > inside the battery itself fried. Is there any chance of > reviving this battery? If not, is the dead battery worth > anything? > ... ------------------ From:Tom Trottier, __o TomTrottier@hotmail.com _ \< "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler" - Einstein (*)/'(*) My personal phone number has changed from 613 594-4829 to 613 291-1168 My personal address from Sept. 1 to Oct 31, 1999 will be: 400 Slater St, Suite 1616, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 My address from Nov 1 on will be: 400 Slater St, Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 From cph Tue Oct 19 01:57:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA02456 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:57:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10383; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:54:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10123; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10091; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.119 -> pilot019.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:54:49 -0400 Received: from andres (pm452-03.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.109]) by pilot019.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA69286 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:54:45 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991019015456.00acb580@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:54:56 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Batteries, 701 In-Reply-To: <19991019054214Z324684-27977+258@mail.on.rogers.wave.ca> References: <4.1.19990905133555.00bf9a00@wcnet.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Ah... *before* sanding the contacts, try cleaning them with something like Q tips with isopropyl alcohol for a bit. Scrub really hard, and if that doesn't work, get a tooth brush and try scrubbing with that, and clean up with Q tips. Only then if things are still discolored would I try the bit with the file. Why? Because the contacts on the battery are very likely several coats of metals, and as soon as you start filing it any, you run the risk of further oxidation with those metals that were once underneath the outer coatings. My two cents... STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 01:41 AM 10/19/1999 -0400, Tom Trottier wrote: >How about filing the contacts a little to clean them. This should reduce any >excess resistance. I like the diamond-coated nail files you can get in any >drug store. > >Tom > >On 6 Sep 99, at 7:52, Jonathan Berry wrote: >Subject: Re: Batteries, 701 >Date sent: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 07:52:53 -0800 >... >> Recently, a second battery which had a pretty good rating >> (about 2:40 if I recall) suddenly stopped working. The >> Configuration Utility variously says "battery not installed" or >> "defective battery", and two of the four contacts on the >> battery are slightly discoloured (one is more green, the other >> is more bronze). I guess that it shorted or maybe the chip >> inside the battery itself fried. Is there any chance of >> reviving this battery? If not, is the dead battery worth >> anything? >> >... >------------------ >From:Tom Trottier, > __o TomTrottier@hotmail.com > _ \< "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler" - Einstein >(*)/'(*) > >My personal phone number has changed from 613 594-4829 to 613 291-1168 > >My personal address from Sept. 1 to Oct 31, 1999 will be: > 400 Slater St, Suite 1616, > Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 > >My address from Nov 1 on will be: > 400 Slater St, Suite 415, > Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 > > From cph Tue Oct 19 02:36:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA02527 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:36:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12057; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:34:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11864; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11851; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:34:24 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA16352; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:34:17 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001001bf19fb$ff9984c0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "STeve Andre'" References: <4.1.19990905133555.00bf9a00@wcnet.org> <3.0.6.32.19991019015456.00acb580@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Batteries, 701 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:34:27 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > Ah... *before* sanding the contacts, try cleaning them with something like > Q tips with isopropyl alcohol for a bit. Scrub really hard, and if that > doesn't work, get a tooth brush and try scrubbing with that, and clean up > with Q tips. Even better than alcohol might be a cleaner/contact enhancer like Tweek, or Deoxit (from Caig Labs). However, if the battery terminals are actually green or showing crystals, then there might be something more serious going on than simple corrosion. - David R. From cph Tue Oct 19 02:42:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA02537 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:42:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12686; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:40:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12438; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot007.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12408; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot007.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.107 -> pilot007.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:40:02 -0400 Received: from andres (pm452-03.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.109]) by pilot007.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA28180 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:39:56 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991019024008.00aca640@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:40:08 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Batteries, 701 In-Reply-To: <001001bf19fb$ff9984c0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> References: <4.1.19990905133555.00bf9a00@wcnet.org> <3.0.6.32.19991019015456.00acb580@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Good point David, but where do "normal" folks get Deoxit? ;-) I agree something like that is better, but telling people this and having them not finding it usually just leaves them frustrated, and with their original problem, still. STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 08:34 PM 10/18/1999 -1000, David Ross wrote: >> Ah... *before* sanding the contacts, try cleaning them with something like >> Q tips with isopropyl alcohol for a bit. Scrub really hard, and if that >> doesn't work, get a tooth brush and try scrubbing with that, and clean up >> with Q tips. > >Even better than alcohol might be a cleaner/contact enhancer like Tweek, or Deoxit (from Caig Labs). >However, if the battery terminals are actually green or showing crystals, then there might be something more serious going on than >simple corrosion. > >- David R. From cph Tue Oct 19 04:24:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA02763 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:24:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25236; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:21:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19550; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 03:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18790; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 03:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 03:21:52 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA16459; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:21:46 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003d01bf1a02$a1ebb8a0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "STeve Andre'" References: <4.1.19990905133555.00bf9a00@wcnet.org><3.0.6.32.19991019015456.00acb580@pilot.msu.edu> <3.0.6.32.19991019024008.00aca640@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Batteries, 701 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:21:56 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Steve wrote: > Good point David, but where do "normal" folks get Deoxit? ;-) I agree > something > like that is better, but telling people this and having them not finding it > usually just leaves them frustrated, and with their original problem, still. I found a bottle at a local electronics/radio supply shop (not Radio Shack, who does do contact cleaners but AFAIK no contact enhancers). Caig will sell direct (www.caig.com), but possibly only in quantity (and a little goes a very long way - I've been on the same bottle for years). BTW, I have to say that this is amazing stuff; I originally bought it to keep my old Alfa Spider alive. Electrical contacts corrode very easily in the salt air here, and I used to have to manually polish all the car's fuse contacts and ground points every 6 months or so, or else things would simply stop working. After spritzing all the contacts with Deoxit (after the last cleaning), I've gone several years with no sign of problem. I also use it on computer contacts, though there one has to be a bit careful - I once oversprayed by quite a lot while doing the edge connector on a sound card, and it stopped working. After I (carefully) cleaned up the card and resprayed the edge only, it worked fine. - David From cph Tue Oct 19 05:12:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA02905 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:12:13 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27058; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:09:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26941; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26922; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (199.222.42.2 -> malasada.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:09:31 -0400 Received: from lava.net(pohuehue074.lava.net[207.26.194.73]) (2387 bytes) by malasada.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:09:27 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Jun-23) Message-ID: <380C3582.E6E1DB07@lava.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:10:27 -1000 From: Keith Wong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Batteries, 701 References: <4.1.19990905133555.00bf9a00@wcnet.org><3.0.6.32.19991019015456.00acb580@pilot.msu.edu> <3.0.6.32.19991019024008.00aca640@pilot.msu.edu> <003d01bf1a02$a1ebb8a0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: --Hey guys a friend of mine who was heavy into car stereos told me to use nail polish remover(get your girlfriend or sister to buy it) to clean electrical contacts. It works pretty good, but keep it away from plastic it melts plastic easy. Should be okay for cleaning battery contacts though. And don't inhale the fumes, very bad for the brain cells. =) --Keith Wong David Ross wrote: > Steve wrote: > > > Good point David, but where do "normal" folks get Deoxit? ;-) I agree > > something > > like that is better, but telling people this and having them not finding it > > usually just leaves them frustrated, and with their original problem, still. > > I found a bottle at a local electronics/radio supply shop (not Radio Shack, who does do > contact cleaners but AFAIK no contact enhancers). Caig will sell direct (www.caig.com), but > possibly only in quantity (and a little goes a very long way - I've been on the same bottle for years). > > BTW, I have to say that this is amazing stuff; I originally bought it to keep my old Alfa Spider alive. Electrical contacts corrode > very easily in the salt air here, and I used to have to manually polish > all the car's fuse contacts and ground points every 6 months or so, or else things would simply stop working. After spritzing all > the contacts with Deoxit (after the last cleaning), I've gone several > years with no sign of problem. I also use it on computer contacts, though there one has to be a bit careful - I once oversprayed by > quite a lot while doing the edge connector on a sound card, and it stopped working. After I (carefully) cleaned up the card and > resprayed the edge only, it worked fine. > > - David From cph Tue Oct 19 05:24:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA02938 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:24:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01387; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:21:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00890; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00650; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:21:22 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA16794; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:21:13 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <004601bf1a13$52156d60$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Keith Wong" Cc: References: <4.1.19990905133555.00bf9a00@wcnet.org><3.0.6.32.19991019015456.00acb580@pilot.msu.edu> <3.0.6.32.19991019024008.00aca640@pilot.msu.edu> <003d01bf1a02$a1ebb8a0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> <380C3582.E6E1DB07@lava.net> Subject: Re: Batteries, 701 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:21:24 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > --Hey guys a friend of mine who was heavy into car stereos told me to use nail polish remover(get your girlfriend or sister to buy it) > to clean electrical contacts. This works OK (like the isopropyl) if you get the acetone-based remover; there are newfangled non-acetone polish removers that are not good solvents for electrical contacts, and which can also leave a slightly resistive residue. I wouldn't use acetone on a battery, and not just because of the plastic case. (I'd be afraid that some would slip inside by a capillary action and cause an unwanted reaction - after all, some batteries can explode if mistreated.) The advantage of the contact enhancers is that they not only clean, but also increase the conductive surface area, and protect against many future problems. (PS to Keith: I found my bottle of Deoxit at IC supply down by the airport, for about $10) - David R. From cph Tue Oct 19 10:34:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA04166 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:34:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20178; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:29:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19923; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19891; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:29:24 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-471.gate.net [199.227.173.217]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA64404; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:21:00 -0400 Message-ID: <380C7E5B.C3B0124@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:21:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TomTrottier@hotmail.com CC: Jonathan Berry , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Batteries, 701 References: <4.1.19990905133555.00bf9a00@wcnet.org> <19991019054214Z324684-27977+258@mail.on.rogers.wave.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: don't "file" any contacts, use a pencil eraser and be sure not to allow any shavings off the eraser to become lodged anywhere on or in the the machine.. Tom Trottier wrote: > How about filing the contacts a little to clean them. This should reduce any > excess resistance. I like the diamond-coated nail files you can get in any > drug store. > > Tom > > On 6 Sep 99, at 7:52, Jonathan Berry wrote: > Subject: Re: Batteries, 701 > Date sent: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 07:52:53 -0800 > ... > > Recently, a second battery which had a pretty good rating > > (about 2:40 if I recall) suddenly stopped working. The > > Configuration Utility variously says "battery not installed" or > > "defective battery", and two of the four contacts on the > > battery are slightly discoloured (one is more green, the other > > is more bronze). I guess that it shorted or maybe the chip > > inside the battery itself fried. Is there any chance of > > reviving this battery? If not, is the dead battery worth > > anything? > > > ... > ------------------ > From:Tom Trottier, > __o TomTrottier@hotmail.com > _ \< "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler" - Einstein > (*)/'(*) > > My personal phone number has changed from 613 594-4829 to 613 291-1168 > > My personal address from Sept. 1 to Oct 31, 1999 will be: > 400 Slater St, Suite 1616, > Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 > > My address from Nov 1 on will be: > 400 Slater St, Suite 415, > Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Tue Oct 19 12:01:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA04849 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:01:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25820; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:47:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25662; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25645; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:47:28 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-176.islandnet.com [139.142.112.176] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m11dbTx-0006fGC for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:47:25 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: arteitle@engin.umich.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701C Newbie questions Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:06:57 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Infrared: I have no problems with Infrared on the 701C in Windows95. I use QuickBeam, which was free (I bought a JetEye for the desktop when I bought the 701, it was one of those coupon deals, three items for $100.). QuickBeam can be DL'd from the net. The driver is Microsoft Infrared Monitor, Windows95. Infrared port is Serial 2. It works fine for file transfer, though, of course, it is slow. -- cheers Jonathan From cph Tue Oct 19 21:34:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA08564 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:34:13 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04219; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:30:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04003; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03989; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (140.142.76.8 -> jason02.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:30:37 -0400 Received: from dante04.u.washington.edu (williams@dante04.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.6]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA29502 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:30:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante04.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id SAA30128 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:30:34 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:30:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770ED Easy Serv Repair Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I'm about ready to send in my 770ED for LCD, Battery, Pealing, and Static serving. There's just a small amount of peeling. Will they make it worse? Should I remove the 32mb of Ram that came in one of the slots? (I was planning on omiting the DVD and floppy) The static comes out intermittently when the hard drive is being accessed. Will they need it to diagnose the problem? I ask this because they sent me a form which asks if they can erase the hard drive. What is recommended for this? I backed up most of my data but I'd rather not re-install everything. Thanks, John From cph Wed Oct 20 10:17:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA11699 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:17:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18861; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:11:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18375; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18360; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-int.prodigy.net (207.115.59.180 -> pimout7-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:11:40 -0400 Received: from rknorr1 (KGTNB102-38.splitrock.net [209.253.201.38]) by pimout7-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA223182 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:11:36 -0400 Message-ID: <007a01bf1b05$6313ed60$26c9fdd1@rknorr1> From: "Russ Knorr" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: subscribe Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:14:12 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Please subscribe rpknorr@prodigy.net From cph Wed Oct 20 13:52:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA13377 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:52:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04958; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:49:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04717; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bucknell.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04677; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bucknell.edu (134.82.9.1 -> marge.bucknell.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:49:32 -0400 Received: from pfindeis.bucknell.edu (findeis.bucknell.edu [134.82.59.44]) by mail.bucknell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA18086 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910201749.NAA18086@mail.bucknell.edu> X-Sender: findeis@mail.bucknell.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Findeis Subject: TP 701 ...how to do you clear the password? List-Unsubscribe: I just got a used 701c from eBay. Upon powering it up, after the memory check, it wants a password. Anyone know the trick to clearing the password? Thanks in advance, -Pete Findeis From cph Wed Oct 20 14:43:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA13928 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:43:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08737; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:42:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08626; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0i.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08602; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0i.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.38 -> www0i.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:42:33 -0400 Received: (qmail 22076 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Oct 1999 18:42:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19991020184231.22075.qmail@www0i.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.38 by www0i for [206.146.7.2] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Wed Oct 20 18:42:31 GMT 1999 Date: 20 Oct 99 13:42:31 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Peter Findeis , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 701 ...how to do you clear the password? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA13929 You'd best call the seller and get the password from them. I believe the only way to remove the password is to send the unit to IBM service and have the system board replaced (for lots of $$). If the seller can't give you the password, get your money back. Rob Peter Findeis wrote: > I just got a used 701c from eBay. Upon powering it up, after the memory > check, it wants a password. > Anyone know the trick to clearing the password? > > Thanks in advance, > -Pete Findeis > > ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Wed Oct 20 15:05:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14104 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:05:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10569; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:03:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10354; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10333; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:03:38 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA06981; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:03:27 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003201bf1b2d$d2391da0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Rob Bell" , "Peter Findeis" , References: <19991020184231.22075.qmail@www0i.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: TP 701 ...how to do you clear the password? Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:03:38 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > If the seller can't give you the > password, get your money back. ...or turn him in. - David R. From cph Wed Oct 20 16:36:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA14852 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:36:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17017; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:35:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16844; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yellow.engin.umich.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16830; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yellow.engin.umich.edu (141.213.42.53 -> yellow.engin.umich.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:35:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (arteitle@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yellow.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA19294; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:35:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" To: Peter Findeis cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, arteitle@engin.umich.edu Subject: Re: TP 701 ...how to do you clear the password? In-Reply-To: <199910201749.NAA18086@mail.bucknell.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Peter Findeis wrote: > I just got a used 701c from eBay. Upon powering it up, after the memory > check, it wants a password. > Anyone know the trick to clearing the password? I got mine the same way. Good deal, isn't it? IBM's hardware maintenance site at http://servicepac.mainz.ibm.com includes instructions for removing the password. See http://servicepac.mainz.ibm.com/eprmhtml/epr2a/3995.htm for instructions. (The link given for an illustration of the bottom system board is wrong; try http://servicepac.mainz.ibm.com/eprmhtml/epr2a/4021.htm instead.) From my own experience, the pads are very tiny (about 1 mm square each), and simply shorting them together with the computer powered down didn't succeed in erasing the password, so I held them shorted for a second or two as I powered up the computer, and that did the trick. Aaron Teitlebaum arteitle@engin.umich.edu From cph Wed Oct 20 17:06:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA15106 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:06:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19641; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:05:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19540; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19521; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (128.95.79.74 -> brimstone.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:05:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (kress@localhost) by brimstone.geology.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26453 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:06:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: brimstone.geology.washington.edu: kress owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:06:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Victor Kress X-Sender: kress@brimstone.geology.washington.edu To: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: TP 701 ...how to do you clear the password? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > > I got mine the same way. Good deal, isn't it? > If the seller doesn't know the password, odds are that they were a good deal for a reason (e.g. stolen). I wonder if there is a way of checking the serial number to find out? From cph Wed Oct 20 20:04:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA16104 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:04:07 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29225; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:02:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29073; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.giganet.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29050; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.giganet.com (208.239.8.250 -> mail.giganet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:02:46 -0400 Received: from who (gn66.giganet.com [208.239.8.66]) by mail.giganet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA18169 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:02:43 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Steve Meisner" To: "ThinkPad List (E-mail)" Subject: Windows 2000 (RC2) questions Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:05:43 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bf1b58$05150980$4208efd0@who.giganet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01BF1B36.7E036980" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BF1B36.7E036980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know how to fix the following when trying to run Windows 2000 (Build 2182, RC2) on a TP 760ED: 1. 32-bit PC Cards to be recognized. Currently Windows comes back with only support for 16-bit cards is enabled. 2. Support for MWave : I can't get valid drivers for audio or the modem 3. Fuel gauge & TP utilities don't install / run I upgraded the BIOS to v2.12 released 9-7-99. Any 'inside' info would be appreciated!!! Thanks, Steve -------------------------------------------- Steve Meisner Giganet, Inc. 2352 Main Street Concord, MA 01742 978-461-0402 ext. 347 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BF1B36.7E036980 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Steve Meisner.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Steve Meisner.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Meisner;Steve;;; FN:Steve Meisner ORG:Giganet, Inc.; TITLE:Principal Software Engineer TEL;WORK;VOICE:(978) 461-0402 x 347 TEL;WORK;FAX:(978) 461-0430 ADR;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;Giganet, Inc.=3D0D=3D0AConcord = Office Center=3D0D=3D0A2352 Main Street;Concord;MA;=3D 01742;United States of America LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:Giganet, Inc.=3D0D=3D0AConcord = Office Center=3D0D=3D0A2352 Main Street=3D0D=3D0AConcord,=3D MA 01742=3D0D=3D0AUnited States of America EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:smeisner@giganet.com REV:19990614T221414Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BF1B36.7E036980-- From cph Wed Oct 20 22:27:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA16769 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:27:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04585; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:26:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04456; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mayn.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04441; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mayn.de (194.145.150.13 -> airbus.mayn.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:26:17 -0400 Received: (qmail 12192 invoked from network); 21 Oct 1999 02:26:15 -0000 Received: from wuff.mayn.de (qmailr@194.145.150.17) by airbus.mayn.de with SMTP; 21 Oct 1999 02:26:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 13050 invoked by uid 5); 21 Oct 1999 02:23:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19991021022312.13049.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Received: from fred by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.13b) with SMTP for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:12:06 +0100 From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:12:05 +0100 (MEZ) Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? List-Unsubscribe: Dear ThinkPad Users, I'm in the need of a SCSI solution for my 770X (9549-7B0) running OS/2 v4.5 (Warp Server for e-business). On my 760ED an Adaptec 1460 does the job, but I can't get it to work on my 770X. I tried both IBM's drivers (AIC6360.ADD is not loaded) and SS2PCIC2.SYS (which doesn't work at all). Is there anyone on this list who has a SCSI card up and running on a 770 (X or other) using OS/2 Warp? THX in advance, --- Kind regards, Rainer@Feuerstein.com From cph Wed Oct 20 22:48:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA16854 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:48:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05756; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:48:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05666; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05642; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (128.118.141.35 -> f04s07.cac.psu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:47:48 -0400 Received: from CACPPP (nb20ppp98.cac.psu.edu [146.186.142.98]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA141688 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:47:45 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19991020224533.0075a664@mail.bucknell.edu> X-Sender: findeis@mail.bucknell.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:45:35 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Findeis Subject: TP 701 ---clearing the power on password Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Bought a dead TP 701c ... It was "dead" due to the power-on password. (I bought it originally just for a parts machine, but ....) To all the kind souls who advised either sending it to IBM (and paying $175) or trying to get a refund, thanks for the advice; BUT to the fellow bargain-hunter whose procedure can clear the password with just a paperclip ...... BRAVO !! and many thanks. From cph Wed Oct 20 23:19:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA17004 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:19:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07246; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:18:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07064; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07051; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:18:54 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.12.235]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991021031852.MSM20426@compaq>; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:18:52 +0000 Message-ID: <380EB01B.4C5B@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:18:03 -0700 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rainer Feuerstein CC: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Re: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? References: <19991021022312.13049.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I know this is a ThinkPad list, and I hate to sound dumb, but with W95 OSR2 and W98 running perfectly on 770's, why on earth would anyone want to run an OS that even IBM has abandoned? Even if it is superior (lets not start that arguement), it is just not supported, so why bother? Rainer Feuerstein wrote: > > Dear ThinkPad Users, > > I'm in the need of a SCSI solution for my 770X (9549-7B0) running OS/2 v4.5 (Warp Server for > e-business). > > On my 760ED an Adaptec 1460 does the job, but I can't get it to work on my 770X. I tried both IBM's > drivers (AIC6360.ADD is not loaded) and SS2PCIC2.SYS (which doesn't work at all). > > Is there anyone on this list who has a SCSI card up and running on a 770 (X or other) using OS/2 Warp? > > THX in advance, > > --- > Kind regards, > Rainer@Feuerstein.com From cph Thu Oct 21 00:02:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA17167 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:02:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09393; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:01:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09263; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09249; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy2.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:01:47 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id VAA18398 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991020205513.058555d0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:00:12 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? In-Reply-To: <380EB01B.4C5B@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <19991021022312.13049.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:18 PM 10/20/1999 , somebody wrote: >I know this is a ThinkPad list, and I hate to sound dumb, but with W95 >OSR2 and W98 running perfectly on 770's, why on earth would anyone want >to run an OS that even IBM has abandoned? Even if it is superior (lets >not start that arguement), it is just not supported, so why bother? In some cases, OS/2 is **REQUIRED** because of either the programs we run or the business we are in. In my case for example, I make my living writing Interactive Voice Response (IVR) applications that exist on top of a voice mail system. The manufacturer has an OS/2 version and an NT version. Therefore, on my ThinkPad 380z, I have to run OS/2 Warp 4 and NT 4. In other cases, some people have been running OS/2 for some time now and don't want to switch. Just because an OS isn't manufactured by Microsoft doesn't make it bad. And this wouldn't be the first time IBM has abandoned a product, not because it didn't work, but because they couldn't make enough of a profit by selling it. -- David Goldman From cph Thu Oct 21 00:50:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA17307 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:50:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12327; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:49:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12148; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12134; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (195.174.27.3 -> home.egenet.com.tr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:49:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (turgut@localhost) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA31426; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:52:05 +0300 (EET) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:52:05 +0300 (EET) From: Turgut Kalfaoglu To: David Goldman cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991020205513.058555d0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Actually, IBM is supporting OS/2 very well; just look at the fixpacks and device drivers that are coming out. Not to mention Netscape releases, Java upgrades, etc. They just announced support for "At least" until 2004; which is more commitment than any Microsoft product would provide. Do you know that IBM still supports the *previous* version of OS/2? They are still releasing upgrades and fixes to Warp 3! Microsoft-washed brains may tell you otherwise (like our media :), but OS/2 is doing fine, thank you. Btw,I just subscribed to WarpCast, an announcement newsletter of happenings with OS/2, and I am amazed that dozens of new programs (or upgrades) are announced daily. -t ----- Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Thu Oct 21 00:57:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA17327 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:57:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12876; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:56:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12709; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12696; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.102 -> pilot002.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:56:16 -0400 Received: from andres (pm451-06.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.64]) by pilot002.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA52336 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:56:12 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991021005623.00ac78e0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:56:23 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991020205513.058555d0@127.0.0.1> References: <380EB01B.4C5B@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <19991021022312.13049.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: David's example is a textbook example of the concept of software investment. Right now his company uses this, and if it works well, there needs to be a considerable reason as to why to move off it. Given that OS/2 is a pretty stable system, I'd venture to say that his IVR stuff could be done on this platform for quite a while. Eventually, when that product is phased out jumping onto a new platform will only make sense for the support software. But untill then, it very likely would be a bad business move to stray from OS/2. Only last year I helped a friend move off the CP/M operating system for some software that controlled a milling machine. For *17 years* it worked, only to finally die when the business phased out that part of it's work. I know of a PDP-8 which was retired only because its owner's son got tired of keeping it alive--but it still did the job it was designed to do for many years. In the real world there are considerations which are very different from what we computer mavens often think of... STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 09:00 PM 10/20/1999 -0700, David Goldman wrote: >At 11:18 PM 10/20/1999 , somebody wrote: >>I know this is a ThinkPad list, and I hate to sound dumb, but with W95 >>OSR2 and W98 running perfectly on 770's, why on earth would anyone want >>to run an OS that even IBM has abandoned? Even if it is superior (lets >>not start that arguement), it is just not supported, so why bother? > >In some cases, OS/2 is **REQUIRED** because of either the programs we >run or the business we are in. In my case for example, I make my living >writing Interactive Voice Response (IVR) applications that exist on top >of a voice mail system. The manufacturer has an OS/2 version and an NT >version. Therefore, on my ThinkPad 380z, I have to run OS/2 Warp 4 and >NT 4. In other cases, some people have been running OS/2 for some time >now and don't want to switch. > >Just because an OS isn't manufactured by Microsoft doesn't make it bad. >And this wouldn't be the first time IBM has abandoned a product, not >because it didn't work, but because they couldn't make enough of a >profit by selling it. > >-- >David Goldman From cph Thu Oct 21 01:07:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA17363 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:07:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13648; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:06:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13458; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13445; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (128.196.137.197 -> trifid.U.Arizona.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:06:42 -0400 Received: from e770 (cx-p.opt-sci.arizona.edu [150.135.52.53]) by trifid.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA27678; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:06:36 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991020215316.00a78100@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:06:31 -0700 To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net From: "Stuart F. Biggar" Subject: Re: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <380EB01B.4C5B@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <19991021022312.13049.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:18 PM 10/20/99 -0700, you wrote: >I know this is a ThinkPad list, and I hate to sound dumb, but with W95 >OSR2 and W98 running perfectly on 770's, why on earth would anyone want >to run an OS that even IBM has abandoned? Even if it is superior (lets >not start that arguement), it is just not supported, so why bother? Probably for the same reason that some others run Solaris and other "unsupported" OSs on our ThinkPads (mine triple boots PC DOS 7, NT4 (SP3) as preloaded by IBM, and Solaris 7 x86). Solaris allows me to do some things WinNT and/or 95/98 don't so I use it when appropriate. It is MUCH more stable which is why we use Solaris to control equipment in the lab instead of NT. Intel Solaris also cooperates with other UNIX machines better than anything from MS (as did Warp also - IBM marketed an X server for OS/2 along with NFS, etc). I used to run Warp on notebooks but Solaris meets my current needs better when I don't have to deal with MS Office docs (which is about the only reason for me to run Windows). I just spent quite a bit of time rebuilding NT on my 770E - it freezes, gets access exceptions, and in general acts up. The IBM and MS solution so far is reinstall and install the latest versions of everything including drivers. Oh what fun... The same hardware runs fine with Solaris 7 x86. Must be some fun driver issue(s) somewhere ... Stuart >Rainer Feuerstein wrote: > > > > Dear ThinkPad Users, > > > > I'm in the need of a SCSI solution for my 770X (9549-7B0) running OS/2 > v4.5 (Warp Server for > > e-business). > > > > On my 760ED an Adaptec 1460 does the job, but I can't get it to work on > my 770X. I tried both IBM's > > drivers (AIC6360.ADD is not loaded) and SS2PCIC2.SYS (which doesn't > work at all). > > > > Is there anyone on this list who has a SCSI card up and running on a > 770 (X or other) using OS/2 Warp? > > > > THX in advance, > > > > --- > > Kind regards, > > Rainer@Feuerstein.com From cph Thu Oct 21 06:22:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA18109 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:22:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07931; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:21:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24020; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24006; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:27:10 -0400 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [194.216.44.43]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14862; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:30:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [194.216.44.36]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA10612; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:26:49 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 9:27:18 +0000 To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net, "Stuart F. Biggar" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id GAA18110 Apart from anything else, UNIX based machines will let you install applications without having to reboot your machine. I've lost count of the number of times i've had to reboot NT4 because I've needed to install something halfway through the day. This means I have to shut down my ongoing work and restart it again. What sort of mickey mouse (tm) operating system is that? We've got solaris machines here that don't get rebooted for months on end, I'd like to see my NT4 box last just one week. - Adam ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? Author: MIME:"Stuart F. Biggar" at INTERNET Date: 10/21/99 6:10 AM At 11:18 PM 10/20/99 -0700, you wrote: >I know this is a ThinkPad list, and I hate to sound dumb, but with W95 >OSR2 and W98 running perfectly on 770's, why on earth would anyone want >to run an OS that even IBM has abandoned? Even if it is superior (lets >not start that arguement), it is just not supported, so why bother? Probably for the same reason that some others run Solaris and other "unsupported" OSs on our ThinkPads (mine triple boots PC DOS 7, NT4 (SP3) as preloaded by IBM, and Solaris 7 x86). Solaris allows me to do some things WinNT and/or 95/98 don't so I use it when appropriate. It is MUCH more stable which is why we use Solaris to control equipment in the lab instead of NT. Intel Solaris also cooperates with other UNIX machines better than anything from MS (as did Warp also - IBM marketed an X server for OS/2 along with NFS, etc). I used to run Warp on notebooks but Solaris meets my current needs better when I don't have to deal with MS Office docs (which is about the only reason for me to run Windows). I just spent quite a bit of time rebuilding NT on my 770E - it freezes, gets access exceptions, and in general acts up. The IBM and MS solution so far is reinstall and install the latest versions of everything including drivers. Oh what fun... The same hardware runs fine with Solaris 7 x86. Must be some fun driver issue(s) somewhere ... Stuart >Rainer Feuerstein wrote: > > > > Dear ThinkPad Users, > > > > I'm in the need of a SCSI solution for my 770X (9549-7B0) running OS/2 > v4.5 (Warp Server for > > e-business). > > > > On my 760ED an Adaptec 1460 does the job, but I can't get it to work on > my 770X. I tried both IBM's > > drivers (AIC6360.ADD is not loaded) and SS2PCIC2.SYS (which doesn't > work at all). > > > > Is there anyone on this list who has a SCSI card up and running on a > 770 (X or other) using OS/2 Warp? > > > > THX in advance, > > > > --- > > Kind regards, > > Rainer@Feuerstein.com ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Thu Oct 21 06:56:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA18388 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:56:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA09561; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:55:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA09483; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA09468; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (159.199.101.3 -> orpheus.amdahl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:55:30 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by orpheus.amdahl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18170 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com (minerva.amdahl.com [129.212.33.25]) by orpheus.amdahl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA18161; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m11eFrU-0001goC; Thu, 21 Oct 99 03:54 PDT Received: from eng.amdahl.com by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id DAA15377; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eng.amdahl.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id EAA25935; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:00:06 -0700 Message-ID: <19991021040004.50769@eng.amdahl.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:00:04 -0700 From: Serenella Ciongoli To: "Stuart F. Biggar" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? References: <19991021022312.13049.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> <380EB01B.4C5B@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <4.2.0.58.19991020215316.00a78100@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991020215316.00a78100@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu>; from Stuart F. Biggar on Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 10:06:31PM -0700 List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 10:06:31PM -0700, Stuart F. Biggar wrote: > It is MUCH more stable which is why we use Solaris to control equipment > in the lab instead of NT. Intel Solaris also cooperates with other > UNIX machines better than anything from MS (as did Warp also - IBM > marketed an X server for OS/2 along with NFS, etc). I used to run > Warp on notebooks but Solaris meets my current needs better when I > don't have to deal with MS Office docs (which is about the only > reason for me to run Windows). With StarOffice available for download at www.staroffice.com, you can handle all MsOffice documents from Solaris, Linux, OS/2 and more. Serenella Ciongoli From cph Thu Oct 21 08:26:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA18673 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:26:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13418; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:26:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13253; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13235; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:25:52 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p30.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.45]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA24814; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 05:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910211223.FAA24814@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Steve Meisner" , "steve@meisner.mv.com" , "ThinkPad List (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 05:23:12 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Windows 2000 (RC2) questions List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:05:43 -0400, Steve Meisner wrote: > >Does anyone know how to fix the following when trying to run Windows 2000 >(Build 2182, RC2) on a TP 760ED: > >1. 32-bit PC Cards to be recognized. Currently Windows comes back with only >support for 16-bit cards is enabled. Fortunately I haven't had to deal with this yet. I too was trying to use RC2, also on my 760ED. And I'm planning on upgrading to a CardBus Xircom Realport, because I'm almost ready to go through another pair of dongles (hate those things) >2. Support for MWave : I can't get valid drivers for audio or the modem I noticed that as well. At least Win 2K doesn't install the drivers for you like with Beta 3. That was VERY annoying. >3. Fuel gauge & TP utilities don't install / run > I forgot if I got that stuff to work. I think it installed fine. >I upgraded the BIOS to v2.12 released 9-7-99. > >Any 'inside' info would be appreciated!!! > I also have the BIOS on the latest release also. Hopefully some others on the list with our same configurations can help out. I really like the power management features especially in Win 2K (along with a lot of other niceties). Regards, Paul From cph Thu Oct 21 08:32:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA18714 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:32:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14195; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:31:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14013; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13958; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:31:45 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p30.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.45]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA24842; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 05:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910211229.FAA24842@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "arteitle@engin.umich.edu" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 05:29:43 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701C Newbie questions List-Unsubscribe: >First of all, does the "Restart" function from the Shut Down menu ever >work? For me it quits windows, and hangs at the shutdown screen (or, >since I deleted the screen, at a black screen with a cursor flashing in >the corner). My only option then is to power off and on again with the >power switch. The hold-shift-while-restarting quick-restart works fine, >as does "Shut Down", but plain old "Restart" doesn't work. Any ideas? > Restart works great on my machine. I don't know if it could be a file that is conflicting. First question - have you upgraded to the latest BIOS rev? I believe it's 3O if I recall correctly. >Second, what infrared device drivers should I install to enable the 701C's >built-in irda port to work with Win98's built-in IR file transfer >facility? By default it installs a com port, "IBM Infrared Communications >Port" or something like that, but since it's installed as a com port and >not an IR device, this doesn't enable IR transfer services. I tried >installing a "Generic IR dongle or adapter" and telling Win98 it was >connected to this com port, and while this allowed my 701C to >intermittently see other computers, those other computers (a Dell laptop >and a homebuilt desktop) both refused to notice the 701C. > Try getting IBM's driver from their support site. I've had problems with it also, but I have successfully got it to work with HyperTerminal and my HP200LX. >Is there any way to force a battery pack to recalculate its capacity? As >we know all too well, voltage depression tends to make NiCad batteries >runtimes less and less over time, making the 701's remaining time >indicator less and less useful. Can I order the battery to clear its >memory and recalibrate itself? There is a program to do this... I can search my machine for you, if it's not on my 701, I'll do a search on my SPARC for the exact email that had the URL, etc. For everyone else, remember I have an almost-complete archive for at least the last 2 years (about 40MB of ThinkPad List emails) that I can search through. > >Finally, is there any source for individual replacement keycaps for the >keyboard? While I was cleaning and lubricating the sticky keys on my >butterfly, someone (other than myself) managed to drop one keycap on the >floor, and I managed to step on it. The post on the back of the key broke >off; gluing it back on left it misaligned enough that the key would stick >down, so right now it's detached, and the key wobbles around (but still >works alright). > Unfortunately, no. I have a broken spacebar on my 760ED, and I already asked IBM about any possibilities of getting a single key, even from a dead keyboard EasyServe might get in. I'm just so used to my spacebar now, though. =) From cph Thu Oct 21 09:12:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA18886 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:12:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16891; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:10:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16653; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16631; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (216.32.181.104 -> law2-f104.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:10:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 62768 invoked by uid 0); 21 Oct 1999 13:10:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19991021131049.62767.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.24.89.232 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:10:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.24.89.232] From: "Rat Boy" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Batteries & Battery Backup Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:10:49 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: When I use my desktop computer I plug it into a battery back up unit (APC) to protect my hard drive in case of brown outs. Is it necessary to plug my 600E ThinkPad into an APC? I ask this because the TP has a built in battery. Is the lithium-ion battery good enough as long as I use a surge protector plug? Jimmy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Thu Oct 21 09:13:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA18894 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:13:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17176; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:11:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16738; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16690; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU (128.196.206.226 -> exchange.optics.arizona.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:11:06 -0400 Received: from spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu ([150.135.52.9]) by exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id 4KV1QW3Z; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:11:03 -0700 Received: from europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.30]) by spectra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA15064; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:11:03 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id GAA26005; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:11:01 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:11:01 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <199910211311.GAA26005@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> To: aquantrill@scigen.co.uk Subject: Re: Re[2]: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Adam, The other thing that is nice about Solaris (and probably other unix variants) is that you can reinstall the OS (if required by a failed disk or such) without reinstalling applications, especially if they are automounted (from a server or even from the local machine). I don't know how to do that with NT so now that I have reinstalled NT4 on my Thinkpad 770E, I have to reinstall (and patch) all the applications. After applying some MS apps, SP3 finds newer versions of thing it normally replaces. What kind of version control does NT have (not very good it appears)? Our main file server running Solaris was rebooted after applying the current kernel patch 52 days ago. Stability is nice, especially when the machines are on UPS protected power. Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona Meinel Building PO Box 210094 Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From aquantrill@scigen.co.uk Thu Oct 21 01:27:32 1999 > X-UIDL: 940507360.003 > From: Adam Quantrill > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 9:27:18 +0000 > To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net, > "Stuart F. Biggar" > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re[2]: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? > MIME-version: 1.0 > X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by spectra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU id BAA14510 > > Apart from anything else, UNIX based machines will let you install applications without having to reboot your machine. I've lost count of the number of times i've had to reboot NT4 because I've needed to install something halfway through the day. This means I have to shut down my ongoing work and restart it again. What sort of mickey mouse (tm) operating system is that? > > We've got solaris machines here that don't get rebooted for months on end, I'd like to see my NT4 box last just one week. > > - Adam > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? > Author: MIME:"Stuart F. Biggar" at INTERNET > Date: 10/21/99 6:10 AM > > > At 11:18 PM 10/20/99 -0700, you wrote: > >I know this is a ThinkPad list, and I hate to sound dumb, but with W95 >OSR2 and W98 running perfectly on 770's, why on earth would anyone want >to run an OS that even IBM has abandoned? Even if it is superior (lets >not start that arguement), it is just not supported, so why bother? > > > Probably for the same reason that some others run Solaris and other "unsupported" OSs on our ThinkPads (mine triple boots PC DOS 7, NT4 (SP3) as preloaded by IBM, and Solaris 7 x86). Solaris allows me to do some things WinNT and/or 95/98 don't so I use it when appropriate. > > It is MUCH more stable which is why we use Solaris to control equipment in the lab instead of NT. Intel Solaris also cooperates with other UNIX machines better than anything from MS (as did Warp also - IBM marketed an X server for OS/2 along with NFS, etc). I used to run > Warp on notebooks but Solaris meets my current needs better when I don't have to deal with MS Office docs (which is about the only reason for me to run Windows). > > I just spent quite a bit of time rebuilding NT on my 770E - it freezes, gets access exceptions, and in general acts up. The IBM and MS solution so far is reinstall and install the latest versions of everything including drivers. Oh what fun... > > The same hardware runs fine with Solaris 7 x86. Must be some fun driver issue(s) somewhere ... > > Stuart > > > >Rainer Feuerstein wrote: > > > > > > Dear ThinkPad Users, > > > > > > I'm in the need of a SCSI solution for my 770X (9549-7B0) running OS/2 > v4.5 (Warp Server for > > > e-business). > > > > > > On my 760ED an Adaptec 1460 does the job, but I can't get it to work on > my 770X. I tried both IBM's > > > drivers (AIC6360.ADD is not loaded) and SS2PCIC2.SYS (which doesn't > work at all). > > > > > > Is there anyone on this list who has a SCSI card up and running on a > 770 (X or other) using OS/2 Warp? > > > > > > THX in advance, > > > > > > --- > > > Kind regards, > > > Rainer@Feuerstein.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 > Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 > Harston http://www.generics.co.uk > Cambridge CB2 5NH > United Kingdom > Registered in England No 2081960 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From cph Thu Oct 21 10:52:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA19460 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:52:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24465; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:49:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24072; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24038; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (199.0.65.247 -> mail-out-0.tiac.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:48:51 -0400 Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24713; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:48:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA05755; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:47:29 GMT Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:45:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Rainer Feuerstein'" , ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: RE: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:45:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, To answer your real question: I assume you have PCMCIA services installed. You need to install the 1460 OS/2 driver (AHA152x.add and other files) on the machine. Go to this url on the Adaptec website: http://www.adaptec.com/support/overview/apa1460.html and download the driver for OS/2 named 1460OS2.exe. Follow the instructions in the readme. If I remember correctly the 152x driver that comes with OS/2 does not support the 1460 and you have to use the driver in this file. If you have any questions you can email at ecottrell@doble.com (work) or eac@shore.net (home). I use my AHA-1460 card in my thinkpad 365ed and really like the card. It is nice to back up the laptop on either a zip disk or 8mm tape. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Feuerstein [mailto:thinkpad@bedrock.mayn.de] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 5:12 PM To: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? Dear ThinkPad Users, I'm in the need of a SCSI solution for my 770X (9549-7B0) running OS/2 v4.5 (Warp Server for e-business). On my 760ED an Adaptec 1460 does the job, but I can't get it to work on my 770X. I tried both IBM's drivers (AIC6360.ADD is not loaded) and SS2PCIC2.SYS (which doesn't work at all). Is there anyone on this list who has a SCSI card up and running on a 770 (X or other) using OS/2 Warp? THX in advance, --- Kind regards, Rainer@Feuerstein.com From cph Thu Oct 21 11:40:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA19770 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:40:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28302; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:39:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28133; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28108; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:39:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:39:39 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a65.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.65]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16824; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910211539.LAA16824@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a65.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.65] 209.198.80.65 Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:34:11 -0400 To: "Cottrell, Eric" , "'Rainer Feuerstein'" , ThinkPad Mailinglist In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.67 b67 List-Unsubscribe: >If I remember correctly the 152x driver that comes with OS/2 does not >support the 1460 and >you have to use the driver in this file. No special driver is needed. The OS2 driver works just fine. Basedev=os2scsi.dmd is also needed in the config.sys file. _____________ Ed Letourneau From cph Thu Oct 21 17:58:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA22852 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:58:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23752; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:57:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23576; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23563; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (198.206.134.26 -> chickasaw.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:57:26 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-177.gate.net [207.36.212.177]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA138886; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:56:32 -0400 Message-ID: <380F8C2B.22455D73@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:56:59 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 701C Newbie questions References: <199910211229.FAA24842@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the bios rev is Oh as in the letter "O" and not rev 0 (as in zero) ... :-) i may have the keytop that is needed... Paul Khoury wrote: > >First of all, does the "Restart" function from the Shut Down menu ever > >work? For me it quits windows, and hangs at the shutdown screen (or, > >since I deleted the screen, at a black screen with a cursor flashing in > >the corner). My only option then is to power off and on again with the > >power switch. The hold-shift-while-restarting quick-restart works fine, > >as does "Shut Down", but plain old "Restart" doesn't work. Any ideas? > > > Restart works great on my machine. I don't know if it could be a file that is > conflicting. > > First question - have you upgraded to the latest BIOS rev? I believe it's 3O if I recall > correctly. > > >Second, what infrared device drivers should I install to enable the 701C's > >built-in irda port to work with Win98's built-in IR file transfer > >facility? By default it installs a com port, "IBM Infrared Communications > >Port" or something like that, but since it's installed as a com port and > >not an IR device, this doesn't enable IR transfer services. I tried > >installing a "Generic IR dongle or adapter" and telling Win98 it was > >connected to this com port, and while this allowed my 701C to > >intermittently see other computers, those other computers (a Dell laptop > >and a homebuilt desktop) both refused to notice the 701C. > > > Try getting IBM's driver from their support site. > I've had problems with it also, but I have successfully got it to work with HyperTerminal > and my HP200LX. > > >Is there any way to force a battery pack to recalculate its capacity? As > >we know all too well, voltage depression tends to make NiCad batteries > >runtimes less and less over time, making the 701's remaining time > >indicator less and less useful. Can I order the battery to clear its > >memory and recalibrate itself? > > There is a program to do this... I can search my machine for you, if it's not on my 701, > I'll do a search on my SPARC for the exact email that had the URL, etc. > For everyone else, remember I have an almost-complete archive for at least the last 2 years (about 40MB of > ThinkPad List emails) that I can search through. > > > >Finally, is there any source for individual replacement keycaps for the > >keyboard? While I was cleaning and lubricating the sticky keys on my > >butterfly, someone (other than myself) managed to drop one keycap on the > >floor, and I managed to step on it. The post on the back of the key broke > >off; gluing it back on left it misaligned enough that the key would stick > >down, so right now it's detached, and the key wobbles around (but still > >works alright). > > > Unfortunately, no. I have a broken spacebar on my 760ED, and I already asked IBM > about any possibilities of getting a single key, even from a dead keyboard EasyServe might > get in. I'm just so used to my spacebar now, though. =) -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Oct 21 19:29:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA23397 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:29:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28184; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:28:45 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28037; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:28:44 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id TAA09323 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25057; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (199.0.65.247 -> mail-out-0.tiac.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:56:48 -0400 Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00533 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:56:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA07317 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:56:45 GMT Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:55:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: OS/2 on the Thinkpad Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:54:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I run several Operating Systems because each has some advantages or the programs I use only run on them. I use OS/2 alot for the internet as I like the TCP/IP implementation and tools. An Unix magazine gave OS/2 high marks on the TCP/IP. A recent positive was that I was better protected against the email viruses that use MAPI and other windows APIs. I am still careful with email. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From cph Thu Oct 21 19:38:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA23476 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:38:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29014; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:37:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28875; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28862; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.40 -> mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:37:48 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.19.32]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991021233746.QHLN12296@compaq> for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:37:46 +0000 Message-ID: <380FCDCC.63EC@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:37:00 -0700 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: FS: IBM 770 battery Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Like new IBM 770 battery. Only three months old, has only three charge/discharge cycles on it. Includes the UltraBay adaptor. $125.00 plus shipping (NYC) From cph Thu Oct 21 20:15:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA23619 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:15:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01266; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:14:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01084; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01071; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:14:44 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JHEOB1EX7Q0A3SZ7@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:16:30 CST Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:16:30 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: NOrton system works on a computer To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: after installing this norton system cd on my thinkpad everything seems to be a crawl even my internet downloads !!! Among the utilities in the package which is helpful and which is not ? does the norton crash guard really work ? If you have norton system in your computer which program you recommend using and which ones to dump ? thanks From cph Thu Oct 21 20:29:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA23686 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:29:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02343; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:28:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02180; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02166; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (208.244.215.3 -> dns1.actionwebs.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:28:36 -0400 Received: from hades ([208.244.215.242]) by ares.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA04158; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: "'Jon'" , Subject: RE: NOrton system works on a computer Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:26:52 -0500 Message-ID: <001101bf1c2c$85e24300$7700a8c0@hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Jon, Norton AV is great. It's saved my butt many times. However, after installing I needed to go to the Symantec site and download some patches that fixed many things like shut down lock-ups, etc. I suggest you do the same. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jon [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 8:17 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: NOrton system works on a computer after installing this norton system cd on my thinkpad everything seems to be a crawl even my internet downloads !!! Among the utilities in the package which is helpful and which is not ? does the norton crash guard really work ? If you have norton system in your computer which program you recommend using and which ones to dump ? thanks From cph Thu Oct 21 20:50:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA23793 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:50:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03687; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:49:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03487; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03474; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:49:09 -0400 Received: from engin.umich.edu (pool-209-139-231-075-troy.grid.net [209.138.231.75]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22848; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <380FB49E.A29D88FE@engin.umich.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:49:34 -0400 From: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" Organization: University of Michigan Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701C Newbie questions References: <199910211229.FAA24842@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul Khoury wrote: > > Restart works great on my machine. I don't know if it could be a file that is > conflicting. I've tried Microsoft's shutdown troubleshooter on their support site, and installing the Win98 "hangs at shutdown" patch from them, with no luck so far. I might just revert back to Win95 OSR2 and see what happens. > First question - have you upgraded to the latest BIOS rev? I believe it's 3O if I recall > correctly. It seemed to have already been upgraded. The fourth page of settings identifies it as BUTUS3O, from 12/15/95. > >Is there any way to force a battery pack to recalculate its capacity? As > >we know all too well, voltage depression tends to make NiCad batteries > >runtimes less and less over time, making the 701's remaining time > >indicator less and less useful. Can I order the battery to clear its > >memory and recalibrate itself? > > There is a program to do this... I can search my machine for you, if it's not on my 701, > I'll do a search on my SPARC for the exact email that had the URL, etc. > For everyone else, remember I have an almost-complete archive for at least the last 2 years (about 40MB of > ThinkPad List emails) that I can search through. I'd be very curious to get my hands on this utility. I've skimmed the archives for 1997 and 1998 for this mailing list, reading most of the posts that mentioned the 701 in the subject, but haven't come across anything about this yet. Thanks for your reply! Aaron Teitlebaum arteitle@engin.umich.edu From cph Fri Oct 22 01:34:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA24993 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:34:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14275; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:33:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14058; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14037; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:33:22 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA17903; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:33:10 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000e01bf1c4e$f7453d00$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" , Cc: References: <199910211229.FAA24842@ritchie.loop.com> Subject: Re: 701C Newbie questions Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:33:23 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > >First of all, does the "Restart" function from the Shut Down menu ever > >work? For me it quits windows, and hangs at the shutdown screen (or, > >since I deleted the screen, at a black screen with a cursor flashing in > >the corner). W98 has a 'fast shutdown' option which you can toggle somewhere (I can't recall where). If yours is on, toggle it off; if off, toggle it on. (This option determines whether or not W98 tries to resolve all active threads before shutting down. Some programs object to this resolution, others to non-resolution, and either case can cause freezing at the shutdown screen.) - David R. From cph Fri Oct 22 12:07:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA27537 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:07:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29807; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:01:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29609; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29594; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:01:37 -0400 Received: from c454306a (ppp08.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.86]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA23480 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:01:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000901bf1ca6$dc092940$56645a8e@c454306a> From: "peter machule" To: "thinkpad" Subject: 365X HD size ? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:02:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone have the specs for the max size /height in mm for a TP 365X HD ? I'm planning to put a 4.1 or 5.1 GB HD in there to replace the existing 810MB. Any other surprises ?? Peter.. From cph Fri Oct 22 13:20:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA28267 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:20:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05441; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:18:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05283; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05267; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:18:26 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27564 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:18:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (rasgvnt0345.uhc.com [168.183.197.54]) by fw1.uhc.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA27560 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:18:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991022131816.0092be80@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:18:16 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: HD Sizes (was: 365 X drive size) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:44 AM 10/22/99 -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: >Where can it be found? > http://www.thinkpads.com/hdd.htm From cph Fri Oct 22 14:31:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA28996 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:31:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03684; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:55:50 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03438; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:55:48 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id MAA26712 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02793; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (207.0.68.7 -> home.dwave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:42:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA22091 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:44:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:44:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: HD Sizes (was: 365 X drive size) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I tried to find out what the largest disk could be in your 365X (since I have a new 365XD), but could not find iton IBM's site. I know it takes a 12mm drive, and can be done at home, with a tiny bit of patience and a small screwdriver. I also know my 750P takes a 17mm drive up to 5.1GB but I have no idea where I got this information. The ThinkPad Reference pages do not have this information. Where can it be found? Chris Schumann "I am a cipher, wrapped in an enigma, smothered in secret sauce." - Jimmy James, News Radio From cph Fri Oct 22 16:49:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA30447 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:49:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19457; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:46:44 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19304; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:46:43 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id QAA28270 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ra.MsState.Edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18195; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ra.MsState.Edu (130.18.80.10 -> Ra.MsState.Edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:24:04 -0400 Received: from TP560E (ws60-64.simrall.msstate.edu [130.18.64.60]); by Ra.MsState.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/MsState-Ra/evision: 1.15 $) with SMTP; id PAA01511 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:23:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00ad01bf1ccb$1c0fce80$749589d0@TP560E> From: "See-Kit Lam" To: Subject: tp560:swapping cpu Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:22:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01BF1CA1.32DE3900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01BF1CA1.32DE3900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi all..... i saw an ad selling mobile processors for ibm = thinkpad... speed is 233mmx. i would like to know how hard is it to swap out my old 166mmx and = put in a 233mmx. is it possible? i assume that the motherboard of my = tp560e has multiplier settings to support 3.5x66Mhz and the power = requirement for both chips are the same. Another question... does tp560 models at that speed has cpu fan?=20 thanks. seekit ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01BF1CA1.32DE3900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    hi all..... i saw an ad selling = mobile=20 processors for ibm thinkpad... speed is 233mmx.
 
    i would like to know how hard is = it to swap=20 out my old 166mmx and put in a 233mmx. is it possible? i assume that the = motherboard of my tp560e has multiplier settings to support 3.5x66Mhz = and the=20 power requirement for both chips are the same.
 
    Another question... does tp560 = models at=20 that speed has cpu fan?
 
    thanks.
 
seekit
 
------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01BF1CA1.32DE3900-- From cph Fri Oct 22 17:21:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA30722 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:21:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21700; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:19:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21595; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21582; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:19:30 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA28968; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:17:06 -0700 Message-ID: <010d01bf1cd4$0b80d420$03785a8e@pmachule> From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "See-Kit Lam" Cc: References: <00ad01bf1ccb$1c0fce80$749589d0@TP560E> Subject: Re: tp560:swapping cpu Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:26:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Where did you see this ad ? Price ?? Note that jumping two speed grades in CPU Mhz is only worth about 10%- 15% in System Performance . ..peter... ----- Original Message ----- From: See-Kit Lam To: Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 1:22 PM Subject: tp560:swapping cpu hi all..... i saw an ad selling mobile processors for ibm thinkpad... speed is 233mmx. i would like to know how hard is it to swap out my old 166mmx and put in a 233mmx. is it possible? i assume that the motherboard of my tp560e has multiplier settings to support 3.5x66Mhz and the power requirement for both chips are the same. Another question... does tp560 models at that speed has cpu fan? thanks. seekit From cph Fri Oct 22 17:33:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA30819 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:33:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22689; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:31:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22517; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22504; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:31:50 -0400 Received: from ati-ga1-16.ix.netcom.com (ati-ga1-16.ix.netcom.com [207.222.234.16]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02483; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910222131.RAA02483@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan" To: "aquantrill@scigen.co.uk" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199910211311.GAA26005@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re[2]: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? List-Unsubscribe: SFAIK, Warp will reload without having to reload all the applications. > >The other thing that is nice about Solaris (and probably other unix variants) is >that you can reinstall the OS (if required by a failed disk or such) without >reinstalling applications, especially if they are automounted (from a server >or even from the local machine). > >I don't know how to do that with NT so now that I have reinstalled NT4 on my >Thinkpad 770E, I have to reinstall (and patch) all the applications. After >applying some MS apps, SP3 finds newer versions of thing it normally replaces. >What kind of version control does NT have (not very good it appears)? From cph Fri Oct 22 18:34:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA31249 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:34:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25637; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:32:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25555; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25540; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp2.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:32:13 -0400 Received: from leland.stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id PAA08155; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3810E618.DDC1410B@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:32:56 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP CC: See-Kit Lam , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp560:swapping cpu References: <00ad01bf1ccb$1c0fce80$749589d0@TP560E> <010d01bf1cd4$0b80d420$03785a8e@pmachule> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I doubt very much that you can swap the CPUs, even if you're handy with a soldering iron. From what I understand the mobile (Tillamook) 233mmx processors look similar to photographic film - they're very thin, and probably very fragile. They are soldered on to the motherboard. I think the some 560e's had a non-Tillamook CPU, so you can't replace the chip-type 166 with a film-type 233. Even if both have Tillamook CPUs, I doubt the removal can be done by hand. The only way *some* laptops (like Transmonde) can swap the CPU is when it comes from Intel in the form of a Intel Mobile Module that includes the CPU and accompanying controller chips. These were not used in 560 machines because they are too thick for the form factor. My 233mmx 560x has no fan. The noisiest element is the hard drive. Bill Morrow can elaborate/correct me on the above, but if I were you I'd save my money for more RAM for system performance, or for a new laptop if it's computational speed you're after. The Celeron-based machines are fast and relatively affordable. peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: > > Where did you see this ad ? > Price ?? > > Note that jumping two speed grades in CPU Mhz is only worth about > 10%- 15% in System Performance . > > ..peter... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: See-Kit Lam > To: > Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 1:22 PM > Subject: tp560:swapping cpu > > hi all..... i saw an ad selling mobile processors for ibm thinkpad... > speed is 233mmx. > > i would like to know how hard is it to swap out my old 166mmx and put in > a 233mmx. is it possible? i assume that the motherboard of my tp560e has > multiplier settings to support 3.5x66Mhz and the power requirement for both > chips are the same. > > Another question... does tp560 models at that speed has cpu fan? > > thanks. > > seekit From cph Fri Oct 22 18:40:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA31290 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:40:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26802; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:38:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26495; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26481; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:38:04 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-262.gate.net [199.227.173.8]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA61692; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:37:47 -0400 Message-ID: <3810E74F.30E5621A@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:38:07 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP CC: See-Kit Lam , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp560:swapping cpu References: <00ad01bf1ccb$1c0fce80$749589d0@TP560E> <010d01bf1cd4$0b80d420$03785a8e@pmachule> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the 560 has the cpu soldered on, if memory is not gone.. unless the speed increase is more than 15% i would sure leave well enough alone.. :-) peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: > Where did you see this ad ? > Price ?? > > Note that jumping two speed grades in CPU Mhz is only worth about > 10%- 15% in System Performance . > > ..peter... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: See-Kit Lam > To: > Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 1:22 PM > Subject: tp560:swapping cpu > > hi all..... i saw an ad selling mobile processors for ibm thinkpad... > speed is 233mmx. > > i would like to know how hard is it to swap out my old 166mmx and put in > a 233mmx. is it possible? i assume that the motherboard of my tp560e has > multiplier settings to support 3.5x66Mhz and the power requirement for both > chips are the same. > > Another question... does tp560 models at that speed has cpu fan? > > thanks. > > seekit -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Fri Oct 22 18:41:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA31299 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:41:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26121; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:36:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26045; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26029; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:36:07 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-262.gate.net [199.227.173.8]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA118098; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:35:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3810E6DB.5B70468B@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:36:11 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, peter machule Subject: Re: HD Sizes (was: 365 X drive size) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the 365 series will accept UP TO a 12.5mm hard drive.. the HDD's are easy to swap.. i have not tested any of the new generation drives on a 365 series machine.. i don't know of any capacity limitation with the 365 series, but i'll bet its limited to a max of 6.4gigs.. Chris Schumann wrote: > I tried to find out what the largest disk could be in your 365X (since I > have a new 365XD), but could not find iton IBM's site. I know it takes a > 12mm drive, and can be done at home, with a tiny bit of patience and a > small screwdriver. > > I also know my 750P takes a 17mm drive up to 5.1GB but I have no idea > where I got this information. The ThinkPad Reference pages do not have > this information. > > Where can it be found? > > Chris Schumann > > "I am a cipher, wrapped in an enigma, smothered in secret sauce." > - Jimmy James, News Radio -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Fri Oct 22 18:47:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA31336 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:47:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27253; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:40:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27016; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26966; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.120 -> pilot020.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:40:08 -0400 Received: from andres (pm526-15.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.17]) by pilot020.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA31990 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:40:03 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991022184015.00ad7720@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:40:15 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: tp560:swapping cpu In-Reply-To: <3810E618.DDC1410B@leland.stanford.edu> References: <00ad01bf1ccb$1c0fce80$749589d0@TP560E> <010d01bf1cd4$0b80d420$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Unless you are doing really heavy computational work, you aren't going to see much of a difference betwen 166 and 233MHz processors, *especially* with any Windows product. Get more ram instead. Get as much as you can afford or stuff into that machine. Every time you can avoid swapping its a major win. This is the single best thing you can do for an older machine. Working with surface mount chips by hand is a large sized nightmare, too... --STeve Andre andres@msu.edu > Subject: tp560:swapping cpu > > hi all..... i saw an ad selling mobile processors for ibm thinkpad... > speed is 233mmx. > > i would like to know how hard is it to swap out my old 166mmx and put in > a 233mmx. is it possible? i assume that the motherboard of my tp560e has > multiplier settings to support 3.5x66Mhz and the power requirement for both > chips are the same. > > Another question... does tp560 models at that speed has cpu fan? > > thanks. > > seekit From cph Fri Oct 22 19:55:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA31728 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:55:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00844; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:53:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00678; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00665; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (24.116.0.203 -> cb3.cableone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:53:28 -0400 Received: from cb3.cableone.net - 24.116.0.203 by cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:38:44 -0700 Received: from defiant (ppp-24.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.24]) by cb3.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:38:43 -0700 Message-ID: <001701bf1ce8$a084a060$b9cdfea9@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" From: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Fw: [nc] Problems with JAZ drives Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:53:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SMTP-HELO: defiant X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: cmcdaniel@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: ppp-24.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.24] List-Unsubscribe: this is from F-Body group thought you might find it interesting...Iomega's having troubles again check out the link to web site to find out more Charles & Melinda McDaniel Charles' E-Mail CMcDaniel@cableone.net Melinda's E-Mail SMcDaniel@cableone.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Fields at 407.356.5842 To: Cc: CRG mail list Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 11:49 AM Subject: [nc] Problems with JAZ drives > Just thought I would let you all know that a Lockheed Martin > Engineering Bulletin has been released that documents loss > of data on JAZ drives that are vertically mounted, and it > notes that IOMEGA now recommends that all JAZ drives be > horizontally mounted. It adds that there is a freeware > program called TIP available from SpinRite at > http://spinrite.com/codfaq3.htm that can assess if there > has been any permanent loss of storage ability to a given > cartridge. That's all I know about it, since I don't use > them myself. Rich > For admin info point your browser here > http://www.depew.net/classic.html > From cph Sat Oct 23 00:27:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA32598 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:26:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10879; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:24:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10721; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10698; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb3.cableone.net (24.116.0.203 -> cb3.cableone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:24:44 -0400 Received: from cb3.cableone.net - 24.116.0.203 by cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 21:10:02 -0700 Received: from defiant (ppp-159.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.159]) by cb3.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 21:10:01 -0700 Message-ID: <000901bf1d0e$8762a5c0$b9cdfea9@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" From: "Charles & Melinda McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Fw: [nc] Problems with JAZ drives Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:24:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SMTP-HELO: defiant X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: cmcdaniel@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: ppp-159.TEX4.cableone.net [24.116.4.159] List-Unsubscribe: Charles & Melinda McDaniel Charles' E-Mail CMcDaniel@cableone.net Melinda's E-Mail SMcDaniel@cableone.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles & Melinda McDaniel To: Steven Davis Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [nc] Problems with JAZ drives > well maybe not but some of us (like me who has several home computer's) and > I have a zip drive on my 755cx that I use instead of a CD-ROM sorry if it > wasn't exactly think pad content but I thought it might be relevant in some > small way.. > this also apply's to zip drives as well > Charles & Melinda McDaniel > > Charles' E-Mail CMcDaniel@cableone.net > > Melinda's E-Mail SMcDaniel@cableone.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steven Davis > To: Charles & Melinda McDaniel > Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 7:21 PM > Subject: Re: [nc] Problems with JAZ drives > > > > Thinkpad content??? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Charles & Melinda McDaniel > > To: Thinkpad > > Date: Friday, October 22, 1999 6:53 PM > > Subject: Fw: [nc] Problems with JAZ drives > > > > > > >this is from F-Body group thought you might find it > interesting...Iomega's > > >having troubles again > > >check out the link to web site to find out more > > > > > >Charles & Melinda McDaniel > > > > > >Charles' E-Mail CMcDaniel@cableone.net > > > > > >Melinda's E-Mail SMcDaniel@cableone.net > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Rich Fields at 407.356.5842 > > >To: > > >Cc: CRG mail list > > >Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 11:49 AM > > >Subject: [nc] Problems with JAZ drives > > > > > > > > >> Just thought I would let you all know that a Lockheed Martin > > >> Engineering Bulletin has been released that documents loss > > >> of data on JAZ drives that are vertically mounted, and it > > >> notes that IOMEGA now recommends that all JAZ drives be > > >> horizontally mounted. It adds that there is a freeware > > >> program called TIP available from SpinRite at > > >> http://spinrite.com/codfaq3.htm that can assess if there > > >> has been any permanent loss of storage ability to a given > > >> cartridge. That's all I know about it, since I don't use > > >> them myself. Rich > > >> For admin info point your browser here > > >> http://www.depew.net/classic.html > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Sat Oct 23 12:28:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA01836 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:28:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14424; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:26:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14206; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14186; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.41 -> mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:26:03 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.17.243]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991023162600.WFAH16897@compaq> for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:26:00 +0000 Message-ID: <38120B98.6BB1@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:25:12 -0700 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: For Sale: SelectaDock 2 WITH base! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Special to list members. I have available a SelectaDock 2 WITH the 760 SelectaBase. This unit provides full port replication, as well as Joystick, stereo speakers, Internal,external SCSI, drive bay for IDE or SCSI device, UltraBay for 760 accessories! Works with 760 (760E or above - requires PCI bus in laptop), 765, 770 (requires 770 base unit, not included) and I think 600 (agian, requires a different base unit). The key is included. A network card is already installed (this unit provides three PCI/ 2 ISA slots, as well as additional PCMCIA slots!) Price is $125 plus shipping. I also have a 760 floppy drive. Price is $50.00, or will sell SelectaDock WITH the floppy drive for $155.00 Thanks! From cph Sat Oct 23 14:26:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA02223 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:26:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18764; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:24:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18446; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mayn.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18413; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mayn.de (194.145.150.13 -> airbus.mayn.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:24:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 7149 invoked from network); 23 Oct 1999 18:24:45 -0000 Received: from wuff.mayn.de (qmailr@194.145.150.17) by airbus.mayn.de with SMTP; 23 Oct 1999 18:24:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 13803 invoked by uid 5); 23 Oct 1999 18:21:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19991023182128.13802.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Received: from fred by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.13b) with SMTP for multiple addresses; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:13:15 +0100 From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:13:14 +0100 (MEZ) Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <380EB01B.4C5B@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:18:03 -0700, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >why on earth would anyone want >to run an OS that even IBM has abandoned? 1. I work for IBM. 2. I provide business service to large OS/2 customers. 3. Your statement isn't true. I run OS/2 Warp Server for e-business which came out in April this year. Or, to make it short: I *need* OS/2. That's all. --- Kind regards, Rainer@Feuerstein.com From cph Sat Oct 23 14:26:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA02227 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:26:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18767; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:24:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18432; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mayn.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18403; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mayn.de (194.145.150.13 -> airbus.mayn.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:24:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 7140 invoked from network); 23 Oct 1999 18:24:40 -0000 Received: from wuff.mayn.de (qmailr@194.145.150.17) by airbus.mayn.de with SMTP; 23 Oct 1999 18:24:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 13808 invoked by uid 5); 23 Oct 1999 18:21:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19991023182128.13807.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Received: from fred by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.13b) with SMTP for multiple addresses; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:17:03 +0100 From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "Cottrell, Eric" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:17:02 +0100 (MEZ) Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:45:16 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >To answer your real question: Hey, there's someone who understood my question. :) >I use my AHA-1460 card in my thinkpad 365ed and really like the card. The same for me in a TP760ED. I use the same Adaptec driver file on the 770X, but it doesn't work there. Maybe the card services for the 770 are broken. --- Kind regards, Rainer@Feuerstein.com From cph Sat Oct 23 15:43:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA02439 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:43:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21733; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:42:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21559; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21549; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:42:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.39 -> imo-d07.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:42:08 -0400 Received: from AORHOLDING@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id oRUZMjgJ9_ (4237) for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.ab8cbf60.2543698a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:42:02 EDT Subject: Thinkpad model 701cs To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 243 List-Unsubscribe: I recently purchased the above unit at auction (onsale.com) and received the basic unit. no parallel or serial port and no software. I have been trying to find a docking station or other way to load software for use. I need any help that your members can provide to get up and running. Thanks From cph Sat Oct 23 15:58:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA02479 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:58:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22770; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:57:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22612; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22598; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (207.0.68.7 -> home.dwave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:57:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id OAA03511 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:59:46 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:59:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD Sizes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I looked here: http://www.thinkpads.com/hdd.htm While it does say how tall a drive can be, it doesn't say how uhm... capacious it can be for each model. IBM's got to know. Has anyone else tried their support pages to find this information? (I'm amazed my 750P will use a 6.4GB drive, especially since the machine was built in 1993. I would be stunned if it will use a 14GB drive.) Chris Schumann "Wait a minute, Joe. If what you're saying is true, then I still don't care." - Dave Nelson, News Radio From cph Sat Oct 23 16:33:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA02626 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:33:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24348; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:32:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24200; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24187; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> lohi.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:32:09 -0400 Received: from tp701 (96-145.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.96.145]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA02799 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:38:59 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <199910232038.XAA02799@lohi.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:31:25 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <0.ab8cbf60.2543698a@aol.com> Subject: Re: Thinkpad model 701cs X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.68 List-Unsubscribe: I assume you have no floppy drive as well ;-) If you want to be able to install something, you may want to get the external floppy drive. You may be able to find one on Ebay (or the like). Since the caddy-mounted hard disk is relatively easy to pull out of the machine, you may also try to connect it to another computer, install what you need (like bootable OS and all necessary files) and put it back there. It's a nice machine but buying a bare-bone unit like yours is somewhat of a gamble if you don't already have a similar one. I have two TP701C's, and I could sell you one floppy drive and one port replicator, but you'd probably be better off buying these in the US. HTH, Dominique On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 at 03:42 PM you, , said: >I recently purchased the above unit at auction (onsale.com) and received >the basic unit. no parallel or serial port and no software. I have >been trying to find a docking station or other way to load software for >use. I need any help that your members can provide to get up and >running. From cph Sat Oct 23 19:23:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA03155 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:23:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29898; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:21:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29785; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scn4.scn.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29772; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scn4.scn.org (209.63.95.149 -> scn4.scn.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:21:51 -0400 Received: from scn.org (er-chan@scn [209.63.95.146]) by scn4.scn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA07011; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (er-chan@localhost) by scn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA07705; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:25:42 -0700 (PDT) From: er-chan X-Sender: er-chan@scn To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: er-chan@scn.org Subject: nix on thinkpads Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: There is a website http://www.e-oasis.com/linux-tp.html with information abour linux on TP(no I series ). There is a website called *nix on the IBM Thinkpad 1450 at http://members.xoom.com/surfkirra/main.htm . Please let me know where your thinkpad website is. Thanks er-chan@scn.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:59:43 -0500 From: "George Neurauter" To: Subject: TP i Series - Upgrading and some info Message-Id: <006601bf191d$36d8ff40$9107fea9@neurautr> Hi all, I haven't been on the list for a while and I thought I would rejoin since the IBM Support web site is delightfully unhelpful. I have an i Series 1410, the original P266/12.1" TFT model. I have been trying to find info about the i Series online, but have been quite unsuccessful. I have been thinking of starting an i Series web site, but, anyway, I was wondering if anyone out there has an i Series and if they have done any successful upgrades. I have 96 MB of RAM in mine, but the 3.2 GB HD is already at the limit. IBM contends that the i Series is a closed design with no possible upgrade, but I have seen hard drive upgrades with BIOS overlays available at www.conrolmemory.com and at least one other place which I can't recall. I think that it is upgradable, but the Thinkpad probably needs to be disassembled to get at the drive. I know I could put a 12.5mm drive in there and have been looking at a Fujitsu 10.2 GB UDMA/33 drive. I would like to know if anyone has tried this at all before I start trying to get the service manual and do it myself. If anyone's looking at the i Series, I think they are very nice. The only thing with them is that IBM doesn't offer their EasyServ extended warranty past the first year, cutting their available warranty to only one year on all models. I wasn't very happy when I heard this, but I got a 3 year warranty with Circuit City for $220 which entails replacement of the notebook in case something can't be fixed, so I'm happy with that. I've had mine for about a year now and have been quite satisfied. There was a service issue with upgrading the BIOS, but it has been resolved. My NiMH battery is way off in alignment and it won't operate more than 15 minutes before the computer's power management kicks in, but the battery lasts for a good 2 hours. I have to get that replaced before it goes out of warranty with IBM. It also has an issue with the hard drive being excessively loud. I have had it replaced once, but it still makes the same noise, which make me wonder about the reliability of it. I don't know what model the hard drive is (IBM won't tell). Despite these problems, I really like it. The TrackPoint is vastly superior to all touchpads; this is after I thought that I liked the touchpads better. The full size keyboard is excellent, almost like typing on a regular keyboard and you get the nice wrist rest too. I also have RedHat Linux 6.1 on a 1 GB partition which installs without a hitch. I would love to hear anyone else's experience with their i Series. I am considering doing the i Series web site, so if anyone has any good info about theirs, I would definitely put it on the site. George neurautr@uiuc.edu From cph Sat Oct 23 19:31:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA03195 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:30:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00651; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:30:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00548; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00532; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:30:19 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-66.gate.net [199.227.20.129]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA148042; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:29:52 -0400 Message-ID: <38124506.15A443B2@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:30:14 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rainer Feuerstein CC: "scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net" , ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Re: TP770X: OS/2 and SCSI? References: <19991023182128.13802.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: OS/2 is very much alive.. there are many business users out there..!! Rainer Feuerstein wrote: > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:18:03 -0700, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > >why on earth would anyone want > >to run an OS that even IBM has abandoned? > 1. I work for IBM. > 2. I provide business service to large OS/2 customers. > 3. Your statement isn't true. I run OS/2 Warp Server for e-business which came out in April this year. > > Or, to make it short: > I *need* OS/2. That's all. > > --- > Kind regards, > Rainer@Feuerstein.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sat Oct 23 19:35:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA03221 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:35:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01246; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:34:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01071; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01058; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:34:49 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-66.gate.net [199.227.20.129]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA122246; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:34:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3812461E.2EA2F9EF@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:34:55 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: er-chan CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: nix on thinkpads ??HUH?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Please check my new (still under construction) site.. RoadWarriorTrading.com it is sort of replacing my site thinkpads.com.. be the first to sign up on the new open forum.. with chat and much more.. feel free to ask for an "i" series confrence and i'll be happy to see it done... FYI: http://www.thinkpads.com http://RoadWarriorTrading.com we are still building and changing, drop in and make suggestions.. er-chan wrote: > There is a website http://www.e-oasis.com/linux-tp.html > with information abour linux on TP(no I series ). > > There is a website called *nix on the IBM Thinkpad 1450 at > http://members.xoom.com/surfkirra/main.htm . > > Please let me know where your thinkpad website is. > > Thanks er-chan@scn.org > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:59:43 -0500 > From: "George Neurauter" > To: > Subject: TP i Series - Upgrading and some info > Message-Id: <006601bf191d$36d8ff40$9107fea9@neurautr> > > Hi all, > > I haven't been on the list for a while and I thought I would rejoin > since the IBM Support web site is delightfully unhelpful. I have an i Series > 1410, the original P266/12.1" TFT model. I have been trying to find info > about the i Series online, but have been quite unsuccessful. I have been > thinking of starting an i Series web site, but, anyway, I was wondering if > anyone out there has an i Series and if they have done any successful > upgrades. I have 96 MB of RAM in mine, but the 3.2 GB HD is already at the > limit. IBM contends that the i Series is a closed design with no possible > upgrade, but I have seen hard drive upgrades with BIOS overlays available at > www.conrolmemory.com and at least one other place which I can't recall. > > I think that it is upgradable, but the Thinkpad probably needs to be > disassembled to get at the drive. I know I could put a 12.5mm drive in there > and have been looking at a Fujitsu 10.2 GB UDMA/33 drive. I would like to > know if anyone has tried this at all before I start trying to get the > service manual and do it myself. > > If anyone's looking at the i Series, I think they are very nice. The only > thing with them is that IBM doesn't offer their EasyServ extended warranty > past the first year, cutting their available warranty to only one year on > all models. I wasn't very happy when I heard this, but I got a 3 year > warranty with Circuit City for $220 which entails replacement of the > notebook in case something can't be fixed, so I'm happy with that. > > I've had mine for about a year now and have been quite satisfied. There was > a service issue with upgrading the BIOS, but it has been resolved. My NiMH > battery is way off in alignment and it won't operate more than 15 minutes > before the computer's power management kicks in, but the battery lasts for a > good 2 hours. I have to get that replaced before it goes out of warranty > with IBM. It also has an issue with the hard drive being excessively loud. I > have had it replaced once, but it still makes the same noise, which make me > wonder about the reliability of it. I don't know what model the hard drive > is (IBM won't tell). > > Despite these problems, I really like it. The TrackPoint is vastly superior > to all touchpads; this is after I thought that I liked the touchpads better. > The full size keyboard is excellent, almost like typing on a regular > keyboard and you get the nice wrist rest too. I also have RedHat Linux 6.1 > on a 1 GB partition which installs without a hitch. > > I would love to hear anyone else's experience with their i Series. I am > considering doing the i Series web site, so if anyone has any good info > about theirs, I would definitely put it on the site. > > George > neurautr@uiuc.edu > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sat Oct 23 19:38:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA03231 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:38:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01702; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:37:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01550; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01537; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:37:26 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-66.gate.net [199.227.20.129]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA99860; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:37:09 -0400 Message-ID: <381246BA.7DE4EB3B@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:37:30 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominique Pivard CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad model 701cs References: <199910232038.XAA02799@lohi.clinet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Easier way is to network the 701 and load apps... i DO have a few external floppy drives and they are STILL sold, new, by IBM.. the casble might be more of a problem.. i probably have a few extras of those as well, but i must look... send me e-mail or drop in to RoadWarriorTrading.com or thinkpads.com Dominique Pivard wrote: > I assume you have no floppy drive as well ;-) If you want to be able to > install something, you may want to get the external floppy drive. You may > be able to find one on Ebay (or the like). Since the caddy-mounted hard > disk is relatively easy to pull out of the machine, you may also try to > connect it to another computer, install what you need (like bootable OS > and all necessary files) and put it back there. > > It's a nice machine but buying a bare-bone unit like yours is somewhat of > a gamble if you don't already have a similar one. I have two TP701C's, and > I could sell you one floppy drive and one port replicator, but you'd > probably be better off buying these in the US. > > HTH, Dominique > > On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 at 03:42 PM you, , said: > > >I recently purchased the above unit at auction (onsale.com) and received > >the basic unit. no parallel or serial port and no software. I have > >been trying to find a docking station or other way to load software for > >use. I need any help that your members can provide to get up and > >running. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sat Oct 23 19:45:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA03291 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:45:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02470; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:44:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02283; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02270; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:44:41 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-66.gate.net [199.227.20.129]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA541480; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:41:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3812486F.92A51CB0@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:44:47 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD Sizes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Chris.. 560, 755, 760, 765, 701 = 6.4gigs 770 = sky is the limit.. 365 not sure, probably 6.4gigs.. 380/385 i THINK 14gigs.. 560X, Z = 10gigs for exact info, send me an e-mail.. i will be putting this info up at my new website RoadWarriorTrading.com amd on my old site thinkpads.com Chris Schumann wrote: > I looked here: http://www.thinkpads.com/hdd.htm > > While it does say how tall a drive can be, it doesn't say how uhm... > capacious it can be for each model. IBM's got to know. Has anyone else > tried their support pages to find this information? > > (I'm amazed my 750P will use a 6.4GB drive, especially since the machine > was built in 1993. I would be stunned if it will use a 14GB drive.) > > Chris Schumann > > "Wait a minute, Joe. If what you're saying is true, > then I still don't care." - Dave Nelson, News Radio -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sat Oct 23 20:07:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA03339 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:07:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03606; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:07:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03504; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03483; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:06:54 -0400 Received: from ati-ga1-16.ix.netcom.com (ati-ga1-16.ix.netcom.com [207.222.234.16]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13883; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910240006.UAA13883@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <3812486F.92A51CB0@icanect.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HD Sizes List-Unsubscribe: Bill, Are these limits in the bios? (As in not being a windows thing.) Allan >560, 755, 760, 765, 701 = 6.4gigs >770 = sky is the limit.. >365 not sure, probably 6.4gigs.. >380/385 i THINK 14gigs.. >560X, Z = 10gigs > >for exact info, send me an e-mail.. From cph Sat Oct 23 20:35:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA03429 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:35:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04920; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:34:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04778; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04764; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:34:37 -0400 Received: from engin.umich.edu ([209.138.225.78]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17797; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38125445.B4F814BF@engin.umich.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:35:17 -0400 From: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" Organization: University of Michigan Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AORHOLDING@aol.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad model 701cs References: <0.ab8cbf60.2543698a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: AORHOLDING@aol.com wrote: > > I recently purchased the above unit at auction (onsale.com) and received the > basic unit. no parallel or serial port and no software. I have been trying > to find a docking station or other way to load software for use. I need any > help that your members can provide to get up and running. > > Thanks If you're looking for the floppy drive, try http://www.bgmicro.com . If you search their site, you'll find they're selling a functionally equivalent drive made for Dell for around $12.50. The only catch is that you need the appropriate disk drive cable, which IBM sells via their sales site for around $30. Still, $12.50 for the drive alone beats the $50 or more the exact same model sometimes goes for (sans cable) on eBay.. Aaron Teitlebaum arteitle@engin.umich.edu From cph Sat Oct 23 20:58:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA03491 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:58:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05945; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:57:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05812; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05794; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:57:08 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-201.islandnet.com [139.142.112.201] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m11fBy5-0006eIC for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 17:57:05 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad model 701cs Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 17:11:07 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <199910232038.XAA02799@lohi.clinet.fi> <381246BA.7DE4EB3B@icanect.net> In-Reply-To: <381246BA.7DE4EB3B@icanect.net> Lines: 58 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: :Easier way is to network the 701 and load apps... But if he doesn't have any software on it, how does he bootstrap himself into the network? You need an OS to network. I would recommend buying or borrowing a 701 floppy with cable, OR putting the 2.5" drive in a desktop and transferring the necessary software that way (it can be faster, but it is more error-prone), OR if terminal and file transfer software is already on the computer use the provided 14,4 modem (which will run at 19,6 usually). You may have to first upload the software you need to your own FTP site using a different computer .... Once you have the software you want, there are several approaches: PCMCIA network card [requires existing network] printer cable attaching to socket on computer LHS [ requires some sort of file Xfer software] infrared [ requires desktop with IR] 3.5 floppy with cable internal modem PCMCIA modem port replicator [provides standard parallel and serial outputs] Dock I Dock II I purchased a Dock II but have never been able to do anything useful with it. The SCSI didn't work with a 701 (or maybe the dock ii I purchased was defective) and even prevented everything else from working until I learned how to handle it, and the (non-standard) IDE cable was missing, as is frequently the case with second-hand Dock IIs. I had to buy another Dock II to obtain the needed cable, but have not since had any use where a Dock II worked better than ethernet. I purchased an IBM ISA networking card, but it dies when the computer is suspended. So I have been unable to attach any devices to the Dock II. For connectivity I use an IBM Home-and-Away ethernet card and it works fine. Therefore I do not recommend Dock I or Dock II for getting data into the computer. The best I can say for the Dock II is that it saves wear and tear on the 701's on-off switch! :> >I recently purchased the above unit at auction (onsale.com) and received :> >the basic unit. no parallel or serial port and no software. I have :> >been trying to find a docking station or other way to load software for :> >use. I need any help that your members can provide to get up and :> >running. : :-- -- cheers Jonathan From cph Sat Oct 23 21:08:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA03515 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:08:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06671; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:08:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06542; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06528; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (198.206.134.30 -> pima.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:07:55 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-66.gate.net [199.227.20.129]) by pima.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA391810; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:03:50 -0400 Message-ID: <38125BE7.4C438E4A@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:07:52 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: HD Sizes References: <199910240006.UAA13883@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: not a windows thing (usually) it is either a bios limitation or an arcitecture thing.. no time to chase this.. comparing IDE specs for these new high capacity drives and the IDE spec for the older TP's.. i think i'll make this a subject on the new site.. BTW, this new site is NOT due to IBM's complaining about thinkpads.com, but now i have partners and $$ to spend on the top webboard (ver 4) and a shopping cart and e-mail and more.. what I want to do is offer e-mail@thinkpads.com :-) but that will happen later.. Allan wrote: > Bill, > > Are these limits in the bios? > (As in not being a windows thing.) > > Allan > > >560, 755, 760, 765, 701 = 6.4gigs > >770 = sky is the limit.. > >365 not sure, probably 6.4gigs.. > >380/385 i THINK 14gigs.. > >560X, Z = 10gigs > > > >for exact info, send me an e-mail.. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Sat Oct 23 22:34:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA03718 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:34:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08829; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:33:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08708; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08694; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (207.0.68.7 -> home.dwave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:33:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id VAA04449; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:34:55 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:34:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD Sizes In-Reply-To: <3812486F.92A51CB0@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Thanks very much for the info, Bill! I'm still concerned that IBM doesn't seem to furnish this. I would expect that if a change occurred in the BIOS for a model that it would be in the release notes, but that wouldn't help for the original release. Where can we verify these numbers? or maybe I should ask IF we can verify these. Chris On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > Chris.. > 560, 755, 760, 765, 701 = 6.4gigs > 770 = sky is the limit.. > 365 not sure, probably 6.4gigs.. > 380/385 i THINK 14gigs.. > 560X, Z = 10gigs > > for exact info, send me an e-mail.. > > i will be putting this info up at my new website RoadWarriorTrading.com amd > on my old site thinkpads.com > > Chris Schumann wrote: > > > I looked here: http://www.thinkpads.com/hdd.htm > > > > While it does say how tall a drive can be, it doesn't say how uhm... > > capacious it can be for each model. IBM's got to know. Has anyone else > > tried their support pages to find this information? > > > > (I'm amazed my 750P will use a 6.4GB drive, especially since the machine > > was built in 1993. I would be stunned if it will use a 14GB drive.) > > > > Chris Schumann > > > > "Wait a minute, Joe. If what you're saying is true, > > then I still don't care." - Dave Nelson, News Radio > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: > http://www.roadwarriortrading.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster > http://www.roadwarriortrading.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or > i just don't care.. :-) > > Chris Schumann "Wait a minute, Joe. If what you're saying is true, then I still don't care." - Dave Nelson, News Radio From cph Sat Oct 23 23:24:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA03849 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:24:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10307; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:23:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10110; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10094; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.109 -> pilot009.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:23:00 -0400 Received: from andres (pm456-39.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.97]) by pilot009.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA77122 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:22:57 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991023232309.00adabe0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:23:09 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: HD Sizes In-Reply-To: References: <3812486F.92A51CB0@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: As I engage more in the digital spelunking of the various IBM web sites, I have come to the conclusion that MOST things you'd like to know are there, somewhere in the Byzantine structure of those pages. Still, simple things, like how much disk you can stuff into an i Series unit seems to be classified Most Secret. I have never found anything that has lead me to an understanding of what my 1451 can handle, except in the Apricorn "IBM Approved" web site that lists a 10G disk upgrade for the 1400 i Series. I think your best bet Chris, is to listen to those who've done things with IBM units, and follow what they say. Unfortunately, there are some things that IBM just doesn't seem able to hand out to people. Another thing is to ask questions in the comp.sys.laptops newgroup, and/or look in deja.com's archives for things. What I would like to see is a simple matrix of each ThinkPad, and what models of batteries, ram parts, disks, etc each can use. That would be too easy, perhaps. But if someone from IBM is listening perhaps they might effect the start of such a page. --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 09:34 PM 10/23/1999 -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: >Thanks very much for the info, Bill! > >I'm still concerned that IBM doesn't seem to furnish this. I would expect >that if a change occurred in the BIOS for a model that it would be in the >release notes, but that wouldn't help for the original release. > >Where can we verify these numbers? or maybe I should ask IF we can verify >these. > >Chris > >On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > >> Chris.. >> 560, 755, 760, 765, 701 = 6.4gigs >> 770 = sky is the limit.. >> 365 not sure, probably 6.4gigs.. >> 380/385 i THINK 14gigs.. >> 560X, Z = 10gigs >> >> for exact info, send me an e-mail.. >> >> i will be putting this info up at my new website RoadWarriorTrading.com amd >> on my old site thinkpads.com >> >> Chris Schumann wrote: >> >> > I looked here: http://www.thinkpads.com/hdd.htm >> > >> > While it does say how tall a drive can be, it doesn't say how uhm... >> > capacious it can be for each model. IBM's got to know. Has anyone else >> > tried their support pages to find this information? >> > >> > (I'm amazed my 750P will use a 6.4GB drive, especially since the machine >> > was built in 1993. I would be stunned if it will use a 14GB drive.) >> > >> > Chris Schumann >> > >> > "Wait a minute, Joe. If what you're saying is true, >> > then I still don't care." - Dave Nelson, News Radio >> >> -- >> Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... >> >> ** Bill Morrow ** :-) >> WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: >> http://www.roadwarriortrading.com >> Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >> Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster >> http://www.roadwarriortrading.com >> e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >> >> use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, >> any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or >> i just don't care.. :-) >> >> > >Chris Schumann > >"Wait a minute, Joe. If what you're saying is true, >then I still don't care." - Dave Nelson, News Radio > > > From cph Sat Oct 23 23:38:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA03889 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:38:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11061; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:38:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10910; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10897; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.41 -> mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:37:55 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.212]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991024033753.DMNP16897@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 03:37:53 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991023233744.00f18d30@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:37:44 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: HD Sizes In-Reply-To: References: <3812486F.92A51CB0@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:34 PM 10/23/99 -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: >Thanks very much for the info, Bill! > >I'm still concerned that IBM doesn't seem to furnish this. I would expect >that if a change occurred in the BIOS for a model that it would be in the >release notes, but that wouldn't help for the original release. > >Where can we verify these numbers? or maybe I should ask IF we can verify >these. > You can trust Bill. From cph Sat Oct 23 23:51:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA03940 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:51:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11796; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:50:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11615; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpie.a001.sprintmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11601; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpie.a001.sprintmail.com (209.178.63.8 -> magpie.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:50:38 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (sdn-ar-002orsaleP336.dialsprint.net [158.252.231.114]) by magpie.a001.sprintmail.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA18657 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003901bf1dd2$4ea902a0$0201a8c0@thinkpad> From: "Bob Curtis" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:46:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph Sun Oct 24 09:10:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA14448 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:10:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09157; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:08:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08937; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08923; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (24.2.68.68 -> ha1.rdc2.mi.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:08:36 -0400 Received: from CX417385-A ([24.4.101.35]) by mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19991024130834.CKRA11466.mail.rdc2.mi.home.com@CX417385-A> for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 06:08:34 -0700 From: "Bill.Fayssoux" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 08:09:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Bill.Fayssoux" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Hello Message-Id: <19991024130834.CKRA11466.mail.rdc2.mi.home.com@CX417385-A> List-Unsubscribe: I am new to this list, recently purchased a NEW 560E from NECX. This is my first portable computer so I have a few questions. I upgraded the memory to 80MB, flashed the bios to the most recent release on IBM's www side, upgraded to WIN 98 SE and installed the 98 Thinkpad utilities from IBM's support site. Everything went well. Butt now I can not disable hibernation. On every boot or restart I have to wait for the file C:\PM_HIBER.BIN to be created, I have tried to disable the hibernation FEATURE in power management, it will delete the file but on boot create another. Any help will be appreciated.. I really can live without the hibernation feature thanks bill From cph Sun Oct 24 11:57:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA14803 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:57:26 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14634; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:55:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14410; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14390; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (192.48.96.19 -> wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:55:36 -0400 Received: from cheatriver.com by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: 1Cust65.tnt2.morristown2.nj.da.uu.net [63.15.223.65]) id QQhmih11496 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 15:58:48 GMT Message-ID: <38132D4E.F02DBEC@cheatriver.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:01:18 -0400 From: Kathe Robin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Great Eperience buying 760ED from Denis Hall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I purchased one of the 760ED w/XGA screen which Denis recently posted to this list. I'm extremely satisfied! Machine is in excellent condition, Denis answered all of my questions and equipped the machine w/particular options I was looking for. All in all a very professional and enjoyable purchasing experience. Max ------------------------------------------------------- email: m_robin@cheatriver.com smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. Cheat River Engineering Inc. 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 fax: 973 - 627 - 5460 ------------------------------------------------------- From cph Sun Oct 24 12:21:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA14865 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:21:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16480; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:19:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16235; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web213.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16173; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web213.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.113 -> web213.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:19:14 -0400 Message-ID: <19991024162038.11849.rocketmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.215.85.246] by web213.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:20:38 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:20:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Pencetera Reply-To: mike@pencetera.com Subject: Re: Great Eperience buying 760ED from Denis Hall To: ThinkPad Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I'll second this. I've purchased from Denis on several occasions and he has always delivered as good or better than advertised and quickly. He makes sure that I know exactly what I'm getting and answers all my questions. --Mike B. --- Kathe Robin wrote: > I purchased one of the 760ED w/XGA screen which > Denis recently posted to > this list. I'm extremely satisfied! Machine is in > excellent > condition, Denis answered all of my questions and > equipped the machine > w/particular options I was looking for. All in all > a very professional > and enjoyable purchasing experience. > > Max > ------------------------------------------------------- > email: m_robin@cheatriver.com > > smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. > Cheat River Engineering Inc. > 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 > Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 > > voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 fax: 973 - 627 - > 5460 > ------------------------------------------------------- > ===== http://www.pencetera.com - Your Source For Low Cost, High Quality Fountain Pens __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From cph Sun Oct 24 12:31:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA14891 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:31:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17674; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:29:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17441; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17385; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:29:14 -0400 Received: from mmax62.vramp.net (mmax62.vramp.net [198.138.8.125]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA09279; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910241629.MAA09279@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: "Denis Hall" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:30:59 -0400 Subject: Xircom 56K PCMCIA modem Reply-to: captjhem@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <003d01bf1333$e496a140$4060d8cd@denhall> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) List-Unsubscribe: On 10 Oct 99, at 10:26, Denis Hall wrote: > In case you're interested, I have some Xircom 56K PCMCIA v.90 modems > available for $50...and these are REAL modems : ) > Lifetime Warrantied by Xircom. Retail is $149+. Just a quick note to the list to share the fact that I purchased two of these modems from Denis and found them to be excellent, as was the service. In fact, they outperform the Zoom dualmode v90 in my desktop when used on the same phone line! Now what can I sell so I can get one of those XGA 760s............ Regards, James From cph Sun Oct 24 17:04:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA15619 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:03:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26505; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:02:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26274; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26237; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (24.112.32.20 -> smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:01:08 -0400 Received: from mail.on.rogers.wave.ca ([24.112.32.4]:34071 "EHLO mail.on.rogers.wave.ca" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca with ESMTP id <512776-27861>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:00:26 -0400 Received: from cr394328-a.rchrd1.on.wave.home.com ([24.112.93.189]:1234 "HELO actprod" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by mail.on.rogers.wave.ca with SMTP id <324681-16159>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:00:30 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991024170020.009cd2d0@mail.netrover.com> X-Sender: nractc03@mail.netrover.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) X-Priority: 5 (Lowest) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:00:20 -0400 To: From: Tom Trottier Subject: Re: Thinkpad model 701cs Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <0.ab8cbf60.2543698a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: You can load software several ways: - external PCMCIA CD-Rom - external disk drive - dock II + 701 adaptor + CD-ROM or diskette - parallel ZIP drive + parallel port cable - multiport adaptor + ZIP drive - PCMCIA LAN connector - parallel port cable + computer to computer connection (DOS 6+ or W95) Tom At 15:42 1999/10/23 EDT, AORHOLDING@aol.com wrote: >I recently purchased the above unit at auction (onsale.com) and received the >basic unit. no parallel or serial port and no software. I have been trying >to find a docking station or other way to load software for use. I need any >help that your members can provide to get up and running. > >Thanks ------------------ From:Tom Trottier, __o TomTrottier@hotmail.com _ \< "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler" - Einstein (*)/'(*) My personal phone number has changed from 613 594-4829 to 613 291-1168 My personal address from Sept. 1 to Oct 31, 1999 will be: 400 Slater St, Suite 1616, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 My address from Nov 1 on will be: 400 Slater St, Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 From cph Sun Oct 24 17:07:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA15642 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:07:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27003; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:06:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26782; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26766; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:06:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA09566; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:05:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:05:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Bob Curtis cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <003901bf1dd2$4ea902a0$0201a8c0@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Bob Curtis wrote: > unsubscribe > To List-Unsubscribe: mailto: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe Have a nice day... Bruce Komar From cph Sun Oct 24 17:58:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA15857 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:58:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29205; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:57:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29063; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29041; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (199.222.42.2 -> malasada.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:57:03 -0400 Received: from lava.net(uhiuhi006.lava.net[207.26.194.101]) (700 bytes) by malasada.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:56:58 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Jun-23) Message-ID: <381380CD.B0E6DDB5@lava.net> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:57:33 -1000 From: Keith Wong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: 701 dock II adapter wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: --Does anyone have a TP 701 adapter for the dock II for sale? I've been bidding on them as they come through on ebay, but people go nuts on them. I've seen them go for up $80. =( Thanks. --Keith From cph Sun Oct 24 18:05:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA15891 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:05:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00113; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:03:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29692; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29674; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:03:16 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA26841; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:03:04 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002101bf1e6b$7a93be20$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "Tom Trottier" Cc: References: <3.0.6.32.19991024170020.009cd2d0@mail.netrover.com> Subject: Re: Thinkpad model 701cs Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:02:32 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > You can load software several ways: [snip] I guess this depends on what he meant by "no software" in his original post. If he has no OS, or only has a piece of DOS, then he wil only be able to load software from a bootable device. Even if already has a full OS and can use (say) a network connection to populate his system, he will always face the danger of a HD crash or some other disaster, and a need to reload from scratch. In that case a floppy is really useful. In his shoes *I* would try to find out of any of the pcmcia LS-120 'superdisks' are bootable on the 701; they are relatively inexpensive, read and write 3.5" disks, and also read/write 120 meg disks, which is an adequate medium for backup on a small-HD machine like the 701. So - does anyone know if these are (a) bootable, and (b) bootable on the 701? - David R. From cph Sun Oct 24 18:36:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA15992 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:36:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01511; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:35:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01389; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01376; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:35:20 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.18.147]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991024223518.UNXV20426@compaq>; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:35:18 +0000 Message-ID: <3813B3A7.2D65@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:34:31 -0700 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Keith Wong CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 701 dock II adapter wanted References: <381380CD.B0E6DDB5@lava.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Just keep looking there, I have seen several that never even got abid. Keith Wong wrote: > > --Does anyone have a TP 701 adapter for the dock II for sale? I've been > bidding on them as they come through on ebay, but people go nuts on > them. I've seen them go for up $80. =( Thanks. > > --Keith From cph Sun Oct 24 20:31:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA16370 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:31:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13970; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:29:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13731; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13668; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:29:19 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-195.islandnet.com [139.142.112.195] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m11fY0e-0006eDC for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: pirate@lava.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 dock II adapter wanted Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:27:33 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <381380CD.B0E6DDB5@lava.net> In-Reply-To: <381380CD.B0E6DDB5@lava.net> Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: :--Does anyone have a TP 701 adapter for the dock II The diskettes and manual that come with this item when new are not available on any IBM website. I have been unable to make SCSI work on the dock II. Whether the missing diskettes are the cause, I don't know. -- cheers Jonathan From cph Sun Oct 24 21:47:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA16662 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:47:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18785; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:46:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18631; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18618; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.41 -> mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:46:13 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.17.142]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991025014610.RUBC16897@compaq>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 01:46:10 +0000 Message-ID: <3813E062.7898@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:45:22 -0700 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Berry CC: pirate@lava.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 dock II adapter wanted References: <381380CD.B0E6DDB5@lava.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You may need to install it manually in Win95. I know that is the case with a 755C in the DOck 2, but the later units find it automatically. Make sure you have the latest BIOS loaded for the 701 Jonathan Berry wrote: > > :--Does anyone have a TP 701 adapter for the dock II > > The diskettes and manual that come with this item when new > are not available on any IBM website. > > I have been unable to make SCSI work on the dock II. Whether > the missing diskettes are the cause, I don't know. > > -- > cheers > Jonathan From cph Sun Oct 24 21:52:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA16696 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:52:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19402; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:51:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19186; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19168; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:51:01 -0400 Received: from engin.umich.edu ([209.138.225.64]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00819 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3813B7B0.CF33907D@engin.umich.edu> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:51:44 -0400 From: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" Organization: University of Michigan Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad model 701cs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David Ross wrote: > > > You can load software several ways: > [snip] > > I guess this depends on what he meant by "no software" in his original > post. If he has no OS, > or only has a piece of DOS, then he wil only be able to load software from > a bootable device. I was in the same situation: 701C with no floppy drive, port replicator, or OS. My solution was to get a 2.5"-to-3.5" IDE adapter for $10 and connect my 701C's hard drive to my desktop computer. That allowed me to fdisk and format the drive, then stuff it full of Windows installation files. The only trick was making the drive's partition "active" with fdisk; This required disconnecting my other drives and booting from a floppy, then running fdisk. However, this worked great and got me up and running quickly. Aaron Teitlebaum arteitle@engin.umich.edu (P.S. Has anyone had luck locating that utility for resetting the 701's battery timers? I'd love to get my hands on a copy. Thanks in advance..) From cph Sun Oct 24 22:08:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA16778 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:08:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20660; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:07:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20443; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20429; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.41 -> mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:07:04 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.17.142]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991025020702.SGKJ16897@compaq>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:07:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3813E547.4F9B@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:06:15 -0700 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad model 701cs References: <3813B7B0.CF33907D@engin.umich.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If you have Partition Magic, you can set it active without too much trouble. Aaron R. Teitlebaum wrote: > > David Ross wrote: > > > > > You can load software several ways: > > [snip] > > > > I guess this depends on what he meant by "no software" in his original > > post. If he has no OS, > > or only has a piece of DOS, then he wil only be able to load software from > > a bootable device. > > I was in the same situation: 701C with no floppy drive, port replicator, or > OS. My solution was to get a 2.5"-to-3.5" IDE adapter for $10 and connect my > 701C's hard drive to my desktop computer. That allowed me to fdisk and > format the drive, then stuff it full of Windows installation files. The only > trick was making the drive's partition "active" with fdisk; This required > disconnecting my other drives and booting from a floppy, then running fdisk. > However, this worked great and got me up and running quickly. > > Aaron Teitlebaum > arteitle@engin.umich.edu > > (P.S. Has anyone had luck locating that utility for resetting the 701's > battery timers? I'd love to get my hands on a copy. Thanks in advance..) From cph Sun Oct 24 23:19:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA17066 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:19:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24075; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:15:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23865; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23854; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:15:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.3 -> imo13.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:15:19 -0400 Received: from Wmludlow99@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id oLEVa11027 (3868) for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.d038012.25452527@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:14:47 EDT Subject: Fwd: 701 dock II adapter wanted To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_0.d038012.25452527_boundary" X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 List-Unsubscribe: --part1_0.d038012.25452527_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > YES. I HAVE AN EXTRA DOCK II, BRAND NEW. HAS THE NECESSARY ADAPTER FOR THE 701 > > BUTTERFLY. NEVER BEEN USED, WITH SOFTWARE AND MANUALS. NEVER USED. $75 > PLUS > > USPS SHIPPING. I SOLD THE BUTTERFLY I WAS GOING TO USE IT WITH. P.O. MONEY > > ORDER PREFERRED. MY E BAY RATING IS OVER 100. billludlow@juno.com CONTACT ME AT EITHER E MAIL. > > > > WM. H. LUDLOW > > P.O. BOX 80033 > > LANSING, MI 48908-0022 > If anybody objects to my typing in caps, that's tough. The former member from Toronto who was practically chased out a few weeks ago would have been the perfect one to answer this situation. Geez, am I still upset at the way that nonsense was handled? Is Madame Clinton running for New Yawk Senator? YUCK! --part1_0.d038012.25452527_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-st02.mail.aol.com (rly-st02.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.135]) by air-yd03.mail.aol.com (v62.10) with ESMTP; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:55:49 -0400 Received: from rly-yb02.mx.aol.com (rly-yb02.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.2]) by rly-st02.mail.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id VAA17867 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.41]) by rly-yb02.mx.aol.com (v62.10) with ESMTP; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:44:44 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.17.142]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991025014442.RTHV16897@compaq> for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 01:44:42 +0000 Message-ID: <3813E00B.3EBD@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:43:55 -0700 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wmludlow99@aol.com Subject: Re: 701 dock II adapter wanted References: <0.9cea19e2.2544f69c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You need to re-direct this to the list. I am not the one who needs it! Wmludlow99@aol.com wrote: > > YES. I HAVE AN EXTRA ONE, BRAND NEW. HAS THE NECESSARY ADAPTER FOR THE 701 > BUTTERFLY. NEVER BEEN USED, WITH SOFTWARE AND MANUALS. NEVER USED. $75 PLUS > USPS SHIPPING. I SOLD THE BUTTERFLY I WAS GOING TO USE IT WITH. P.O. MONEY > ORDER PREFERRED. MY E BAY RATING IS OVER 100. billludlow@juno.com > > WM. H. LUDLOW > P.O. BOX 80033 > LANSING, MI 48908-0022 --part1_0.d038012.25452527_boundary-- From cph Mon Oct 25 02:23:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA17799 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:23:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06493; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:21:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06233; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06214; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (24.113.61.37 -> cr634166-a.rct1.bc.wave.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:21:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (devel@localhost) by vip.psychonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA08087 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:21:48 -0700 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:21:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: HELP with TP770ed DVD playback with win95! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hello all I decided to reinstall windows95 this weekend as it was slowing down a lot. The install went great with all the latest IBM drivers except for one glitch, I can't get DVDs to play anymore...sigh I've installed all of the latest drivers from the IBM site in the order they recommended as well as softDVD and the region file. When it goes to play a DVD it gives me the error: Failed to perform stream creation with VPM A quick search of the IBM site indicates to update my video overlay driver, however I've verified its the newest version from the IBM site. I've reinstalled 95 a second time and redone all of the drivers with no success, I've also tried installing the drivers in different orders, it never makes any difference. Does anyone have any thoughts? I'm going on vacation soon and was hoping to watch a movie on the plane...DVD playback is my only reason for having a MS product on the machine! (linux is the primary OS) the model is a 770ed 9549-5au Everything was working until I reinstalled(now don't I feel silly!) I have called IBM but the only support they are willing to give is to have me install the factory preload-Yuck! there has got to be a better way :) Any thoughts or advice is greatly appreciated! Steve From cph Mon Oct 25 02:58:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA17848 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:58:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07951; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:57:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07823; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07809; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.52 -> mail2.wlv.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:57:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 23016 invoked by uid 0); 25 Oct 1999 06:56:56 -0000 Received: from pppa48-tucson23-3r693.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.204.134) by mail2.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 25 Oct 1999 06:56:56 -0000 Message-ID: <3813FF2F.3235F8F1@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:56:47 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HELP with TP770ed DVD playback with win95! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steve wrote about his DVD nightmare, appended below. Steve: Here is a re-posting of my comments to this list on 9/8/99, describing the situation and a workaround tested in the TP770 and TP770ED. I'll be glad to answer more questions about SoftDVD and also about how to get DVDExpress as a replacement for SoftDVD if you can't make it work: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: SoftDVD and video upgrades, an ongoing saga. Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 13:24:08 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu This story is about recent problems related to SoftDVD in TP770, TP770ED, and perhaps other models. It includes a workaround. During the last month there has been an exponential increase of postings to the IBM Online Support Forum concerning problems in running SoftDVD after *upgrading* all the video drivers. The known number of affected TP770 users now seems to be increasing. Perhaps about a dozen users have been complaining, in some degree, to that forum. For a feeling about the whole story and how "ugly" it is becoming, search the IBM forum for "SoftDVD". Here follow some excerpts from the most recent week's postings to IBM's forum. As the forum is "public for TPers" I consider these excerpts are covered by the "fair use provisions of copyrighted materials": (a) the "JC-PROVEN" workaround to the video drivers problem, and (b) a sample of the increasingly "stronger" messages sent to IBM. Do they begin to read like the complains about EasyServ? I think so, because they are triggered by the official responses we have been getting on that forum. Mostly they read as if it would be "our fault" for not configuring and un-installing and re-installing the drivers and other software in a "proven correct sequence"... Incidentally, a "driver patch" we've been recently sent didn't work for me (under Win95), but it worked for somebody else (under Win98). I also have some hints about DVDExpress issues which I'll prefer to discuss by private e-mail. I'm thinking in starting a web page about problems such as lack of quality assurance and control in the design and support of TP software (including drivers and patches). Any comments? JC jclerm@aztec.asu.edu ================= excerpts ========================= Posted to IBM's TP Forum ------------------------ Until IBM recognizes that the problems we experience with the "updates" are more likely to be due to faulty code rather than to the installation order or disorder, I found the following workaround for my TP770 (on Win95): 1. Un-install the Video Features driver and reinstall the one recovered from the diskette factory. 2. Similar procedure for the Video Capture drivers. 3. Un-install the MPEG driver and re-install the one that came with the DVD drive, followed by re-installation of the Region Code. 4. I didn't un-install the updated audio driver. 5. I didn't un-install SoftDVD 1.14. In summary, the only updated pieces of software I have currently installed are the Audio Features and SoftDVD 1.14. Now the DVDs are playing OK again, on my TP770 running Win95. JC [thus the above is "JC-PROVEN"] jclerm@aztec.asu.edu jclerman@netzero.net ------------------------------------------------------ John [at IBM World-Wide OnLine HelpCenter]: Excuse me John, but please don't pretend you don't know about the HUGE problems people have with DVD and Thinkpad. I never use my Thinkpad for DVD playback anymore, because the performance/stability is so shaky. And its not because I'm unable to configure the software properly, I have tried everything (and I am a very experienced "super" user so its not because of any kind of ignorance.) My DVD titles are now just gathering dust on my shelf. I am really looking forward to what win2000 can do we this... but most of all I would like to see DVD support under linux. Here is a system which runs stable, and should be perfect for DVD-playback. Thomas Tolborg ------------------------------------------------------ Thomas: I never claimed that there are no problems with playing DVD movies in various ThinkPad models. I don't believe I have insulted anyone's intelligence in trying to find a solution to the problems. If I have, then I apologize. Thank you for using the IBM ThinkPad Forums! John Hartnett IBM World-Wide OnLine HelpCenter ------------------------------------------------------ John: The machine is now working to my satisfaction. Here is how I resolved the problem: Thanks to a suggestion from Juan-Carlos Lerman, I used the diskette factory in the 770ED to create diskettes with the display and capture drivers. I then reinstalled from the 770 recovery CD-ROM to get back to the original Windows 95 installation. I installed the drivers from the two diskettes (display and capture), then installed SoftDVD 1.14, then the MPEG III drivers, then the region diskette. Everything works. Thanks for your suggestions. There must be some problem in the newest display and/or capture drivers on the 9548-32U. Ron ====================================================== Steve's recent message: > Hello all > > I decided to reinstall windows95 this weekend as it was slowing down a > lot. The install went great with all the latest IBM drivers except for one > glitch, I can't get DVDs to play anymore...sigh > > I've installed all of the latest drivers from the IBM site in the order > they recommended as well as softDVD and the region file. > > When it goes to play a DVD it gives me the error: > > Failed to perform stream creation with VPM > > A quick search of the IBM site indicates to update my video overlay > driver, however I've verified its the newest version from the IBM site. > > I've reinstalled 95 a second time and redone all of the drivers with no > success, I've also tried installing the drivers in different orders, it > never makes any difference. > > Does anyone have any thoughts? I'm going on vacation soon and was hoping > to watch a movie on the plane...DVD playback is my only reason for having > a MS product on the machine! (linux is the primary OS) > > the model is a 770ed 9549-5au > > Everything was working until I reinstalled(now don't I feel silly!) > > I have called IBM but the only support they are willing to give is to have > me install the factory preload-Yuck! there has got to be a better way :) > > Any thoughts or advice is greatly appreciated! > > Steve ============== __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Mon Oct 25 03:09:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA17869 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 03:09:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09497; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 03:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 03:07:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09096; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 03:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09070; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 03:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 03:07:10 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA27905; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:07:02 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <009801bf1eb7$78fda340$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" , "ThinkPad List" References: <3.0.6.32.19991024170020.009cd2d0@mail.netrover.com> <002101bf1e6b$7a93be20$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> <3813B432.C4368C54@engin.umich.edu> Subject: Re: Thinkpad model 701cs Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:06:31 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > I was in the same situation: 701C with no floppy drive, port replicator, or > OS. My solution was to get a 2.5"-to-3.5" IDE adapter for $10 and connect my > 701C's hard drive to my desktop computer. [snip] This is good if the 701 is a second computer, and the owner is good at such things (i.e., ensuring that the desktop can recognize both drives). Myself, I like the security of a floppy. However: I notice that ADW (or intellisale or whatever they're called these days) has a bunch of 701cs refurbs for $170 without floppy (and even less at the onsale auction). I think that at that price I could easily imagine not worrying too much about the floppy! - David From cph Mon Oct 25 11:22:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA19875 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:22:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16214; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:18:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15779; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15757; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:18:04 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-173.islandnet.com [139.142.112.173] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m11flsn-0006eqC for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:18:01 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 dock II adapter wanted Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:15:29 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <381380CD.B0E6DDB5@lava.net> <3813E062.7898@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <3813E062.7898@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: :You may need to install it manually in Win95. I did a lot of manual installing after Win95 found the dock and adaptor "automtically". :I know that is the case :with a 755C in the DOck 2, but the later units find it automatically. :Make sure you have the latest BIOS loaded for the 701 The most recent BIOS has been "O" for several years now. :> :> :--Does anyone have a TP 701 adapter for the dock II :> :> The diskettes and manual that come with this item when new :> are not available on any IBM website. :> :> I have been unable to make SCSI work on the dock II. Whether :> the missing diskettes are the cause, I don't know. :> -- cheers Jonathan From cph Mon Oct 25 12:18:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA20660 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:18:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20497; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:14:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19982; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ux11.cso.uiuc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19952; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ux11.cso.uiuc.edu (128.174.5.105 -> ux11.cso.uiuc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:14:46 -0400 Received: from neurautr (fish-7.slip.uiuc.edu [130.126.27.165]) by ux11.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14631; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:14:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002e01bf1f03$9bf438e0$6c68fea9@neurautr> From: "George Neurauter" To: "er-chan" Cc: "Thinkpad List" References: Subject: Re: nix on thinkpads (fwd) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:11:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: er-chan To: Sent: Sunday, October 24, 1999 1:56 AM Subject: nix on thinkpads (fwd) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:25:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: er-chan > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Cc: er-chan@scn.org > Subject: nix on thinkpads > > > There is a website http://www.e-oasis.com/linux-tp.html > with information abour linux on TP(no I series ). > > There is a website called *nix on the IBM Thinkpad 1450 at > http://members.xoom.com/surfkirra/main.htm . > > Please let me know where your thinkpad website is. > > Thanks er-chan@scn.org Hi, I actually have a whole list of i Series Linux sites if you'd like me to email them to you. I am thinking about doing an i Series site, but, as of yet, I do not have any address yet. Thanks for the info. George From cph Mon Oct 25 12:48:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA20907 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:48:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23514; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:43:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22943; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22866; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.prserv.net (165.87.194.252 -> out1.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:43:19 -0400 Received: from GREGORYZEQXR4X (slip-166-72-73-96.dc.us.prserv.net [166.72.73.96]) by out1.prserv.net (/) with SMTP id QAA89648 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:43:16 GMT From: "Gregory Harris" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: 770 RIP? Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:43:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi Everybody, I was just surfing IBMs' site for a new AC adapter and noticed that the 770 is no longer listed on the Thinkpads page. Anybody have further news of this development? Cheers, Greg Harris From cph Mon Oct 25 13:46:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21451 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:46:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28954; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:44:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28607; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28579; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:43:56 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05888 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:43:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (rasgvnt0255.uhc.com [168.183.196.76]) by fw1.uhc.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05846 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:43:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991025134340.00b045b0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:43:40 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: 770 RIP? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:43 PM 10/25/99 -0400, Gregory Harris wrote: >I was just surfing IBMs' site for a new AC adapter and noticed that the 770 >is no longer listed on the Thinkpads page. > >Anybody have further news of this development? > Check out the 15" 390X. From cph Mon Oct 25 13:52:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA21498 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:52:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29799; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:47:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29078; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28917; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (140.142.76.8 -> jason02.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:46:27 -0400 Received: from dante41.u.washington.edu (williams@dante41.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.201]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA12426; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:46:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante41.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA65306; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:46:21 -0700 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: Gregory Harris cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: 770 RIP? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: You might be right. Check out the new 600 models (PIII at 500mhz) http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad+600&cntry=840&lang=en_US vs Nothing new for the 770 series: http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad+770&cntry=840&lang=en_US John On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Gregory Harris wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I was just surfing IBMs' site for a new AC adapter and noticed that the 770 > is no longer listed on the Thinkpads page. > > Anybody have further news of this development? > > Cheers, > > Greg Harris > > From cph Mon Oct 25 14:38:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA21870 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:38:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04882; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:33:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04414; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04391; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:33:39 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2iveast.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.43.157]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA18134 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:33:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: 770 RIP? Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:34:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: To all: Doubtful that the 770 has bit the dust. None of these new models have the higher resolution screen (1280 x 1024 pixels) and the new 20+ GB hard drive. These are the things that set the 770 apart from the other models. I'm disappointed that the higher resolution screen has not made it into the 600 series. Perhaps there is a technical complication that prevents this from being done. Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: J. Williams [mailto:williams@u.washington.edu] Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 1:46 PM To: Gregory Harris Cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: 770 RIP? You might be right. Check out the new 600 models (PIII at 500mhz) http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad+600&c ntry=840<=en_US vs Nothing new for the 770 series: http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad+770&c ntry=840<=en_US John On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Gregory Harris wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I was just surfing IBMs' site for a new AC adapter and noticed that the 770 > is no longer listed on the Thinkpads page. > > Anybody have further news of this development? > > Cheers, > > Greg Harris > From cph Mon Oct 25 14:58:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA22053 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:58:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07010; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:55:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06687; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from area54.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06644; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:55:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from area54.net (205.177.191.50 -> mercury.mcummings.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:55:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by area54.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25072 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:54:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:54:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: michael@mercury.area54.net To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Wetsuit (or like) for i1720 (big!!) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi... I have a i1720 that I am looking for a light weight case that will hold just the pad, power brick and a phone cord. Anyone have any ideas on sources for such a unit... The 1720 is big, 12.4 x 10.1 x 1.8 Thanks.. Michael From cph Mon Oct 25 15:05:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA22124 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:05:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08122; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:00:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07363; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from area54.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07117; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:59:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from area54.net (205.177.191.50 -> mercury.mcummings.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:59:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by area54.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25078 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:58:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:58:55 -0400 (EDT) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Wetsuit (or like) for i1720 (big!!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: (sorry if this makes it to the list twice.) Hi... I have a i1720 that I am looking for a light weight case that will hold just the pad, power brick and a phone cord. Anyone have any ideas on sources for such a unit... The 1720 is big, 12.4 x 10.1 x 1.8 Thanks.. Michael From cph Mon Oct 25 15:45:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA22437 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:45:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12775; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:42:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12337; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12059; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:40:24 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA30874; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:38:20 -0700 Message-ID: <004c01bf1f21$c8d5cd60$03785a8e@pmachule> From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Keith Wong" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <381380CD.B0E6DDB5@lava.net> Subject: Re: 701 dock II adapter wanted Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:47:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I bought mine from the people below for $35 plus transpo a couple of months ago . Peter ........................................................... I HAVE LOTS OF STOCK ON THESE. PRICE IS $35.00 US DOLLARS. SHIPPABLE IMMEDIATLEY. NO EXPEDITE FEE PLEASE ADVISE IF YOU WANT TO BUY. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. JULIE SRS INDUSTRIES 310-574-9839 310-574-5474 (FX) http://www.srsind.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Wong To: ThinkPad Mailing List Sent: Sunday, October 24, 1999 2:57 PM Subject: 701 dock II adapter wanted > > --Does anyone have a TP 701 adapter for the dock II for sale? I've been > bidding on them as they come through on ebay, but people go nuts on > them. I've seen them go for up $80. =( Thanks. > > --Keith > From cph Mon Oct 25 18:19:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA23759 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:19:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27469; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:16:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27141; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27103; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:16:16 -0400 Received: from heiby.pr.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id RAA16429 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:16:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:16:00 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.36) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <15719.991025@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad-Users Subject: Re: Sierra Wireless AirCard 300 CDPD In-reply-To: <15688.991015@falkor.chi.il.us> References: <15688.991015@falkor.chi.il.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: About ten days ago, I posted a message concerning odd mouse pointer behavior on my 770ED when using the Sierra Wireless AirCard 300 CDPD. Since then, I have had some correspondence with one of their people, who agreed to let me post the following message from him to me to the ThinkPad mailing list. Ron. ========== Yes, the saga of ThinkPads. I've used several myself, and currently have the ThinkPad 600, but they do have occasional oddities. First of all the drifting cursor phenomena you are seeing is due to the design of the eraser head mouse. There is an inductive loop used in its design which is susceptible to RF interference. You will see the same behaviour if you happen to be talking on a cellular phone and bring it too near to your computer. Some computers are more affected by this than others (mine isn't affected for instance), and this is certainly not limited to IBM. Some of the older Compaq computers, amoung others, had the same problem. For the most part the PC manufacturers have managed to come up with pointer designs which are minimally susceptible to such RF interference, and I haven't come across a new PC with this problem for quite some time. Is this a new machine that you have or an older model (seems to me it is the new one, but I can't keep track of all the different models from all the manufacturers)? If new, please let me know, as I would definitely like to get our engineering staff to look into it. From cph Mon Oct 25 20:08:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA24458 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:08:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05788; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:06:01 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05579; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:05:56 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id TAA24043 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24299; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (212.126.144.6 -> scrabble.freeuk.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:04:23 -0400 Received: from [212.126.146.20] (helo=du-005-0020.freeuk.com) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 11fTsJ-0004Gx-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:04:20 +0100 From: Nick Dixon To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: stand-by problems? Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:03:32 +0100 Reply-To: nickdixon@bigfoot.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id UAA24459 Hi there, I have recently replaced the battery on my 380XD (IBM sent me a replacement) but have noticed a slight problem... When I close the lid on the machine (which I guess just activates the stand-by function), the machine gradually loses power and shuts down. With the previous battery, I could shut the lid and the machine would stay active for days... without shutting down. Is there something I can do about this? Thanks, Nick -- THE DAILY DAMON: http://www.thedailydamon.clara.net From cph Mon Oct 25 22:26:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA25141 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:26:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09047; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:37:22 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08643; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:37:19 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id UAA24619 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from counter.engin.umich.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19193; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from counter.engin.umich.edu (141.213.42.41 -> counter.engin.umich.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:01:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (arteitle@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by counter.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA16717; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:01:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" To: Mel Del Gallo cc: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Thinkpad model 701cs In-Reply-To: <00a001bf1eba$08473d20$c9c8c8c8@jps.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Mel Del Gallo wrote: > > OS. My solution was to get a 2.5"-to-3.5" IDE adapter for $10 and connect > > my 701C's hard drive to my desktop computer. > > Where did you get the adapter? I got mine from NECX, http://necxdirect.necx.com . Specifically, it's catalog number 0000118141, manufactured by DataStor, mfg. part number 104432. The item's page is here: http://necxdirect.necx.com:80/hai/prod_page.html?key=0000118141 They're $9.95, plus shipping. Aaron Teitlebaum arteitle@engin.umich.edu (P.S. Thanks again to the people who sent me the battery reset utility.) From cph Mon Oct 25 23:36:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA25523 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:36:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18578; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:35:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18390; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18369; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:35:04 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-115.gate.net [207.36.212.115]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA64278; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:34:46 -0400 Message-ID: <3815216E.102D75F@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:35:10 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD Sizes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i gathered this info from several sources.. my Apricorn EZ-Gig price list and personal experience.. but for the below list it was from memory.. i'll have a complete listing on thinkpads.com and roadwarriortrading.com soon.. how soon?? as soon as i find time to do it.. :-) Chris Schumann wrote: > Thanks very much for the info, Bill! > > I'm still concerned that IBM doesn't seem to furnish this. I would expect > that if a change occurred in the BIOS for a model that it would be in the > release notes, but that wouldn't help for the original release. > > Where can we verify these numbers? or maybe I should ask IF we can verify > these. > > Chris > > On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > Chris.. > > 560, 755, 760, 765, 701 = 6.4gigs > > 770 = sky is the limit.. > > 365 not sure, probably 6.4gigs.. > > 380/385 i THINK 14gigs.. > > 560X, Z = 10gigs > > > > for exact info, send me an e-mail.. > > > > i will be putting this info up at my new website RoadWarriorTrading.com amd > > on my old site thinkpads.com > > > > Chris Schumann wrote: > > > > > I looked here: http://www.thinkpads.com/hdd.htm > > > > > > While it does say how tall a drive can be, it doesn't say how uhm... > > > capacious it can be for each model. IBM's got to know. Has anyone else > > > tried their support pages to find this information? > > > > > > (I'm amazed my 750P will use a 6.4GB drive, especially since the machine > > > was built in 1993. I would be stunned if it will use a 14GB drive.) > > > > > > Chris Schumann > > > > > > "Wait a minute, Joe. If what you're saying is true, > > > then I still don't care." - Dave Nelson, News Radio > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: > > http://www.roadwarriortrading.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster > > http://www.roadwarriortrading.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or > > i just don't care.. :-) > > > > > > Chris Schumann > > "Wait a minute, Joe. If what you're saying is true, > then I still don't care." - Dave Nelson, News Radio -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Mon Oct 25 23:38:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA25534 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:38:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19032; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:37:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18771; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18713; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:37:18 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-115.gate.net [207.36.212.115]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA43274; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:37:01 -0400 Message-ID: <381521F5.60DFE915@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:37:25 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD Sizes References: <3812486F.92A51CB0@icanect.net> <3.0.6.32.19991023232309.00adabe0@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: IBM does not listen to this list.. ibm does, however, monitor my thinkpads.com site from time to time, wishing i would just giver it up and give it to them (i won't), but lawyers and computer help people are two entirely different groups of people.. :-) STeve Andre' wrote: > As I engage more in the digital spelunking of the various IBM web sites, > I have come to the conclusion that MOST things you'd like to know are > there, somewhere in the Byzantine structure of those pages. > > Still, simple things, like how much disk you can stuff into an i Series > unit seems to be classified Most Secret. I have never found anything > that has lead me to an understanding of what my 1451 can handle, except > in the Apricorn "IBM Approved" web site that lists a 10G disk upgrade > for the 1400 i Series. > > I think your best bet Chris, is to listen to those who've done things > with IBM units, and follow what they say. Unfortunately, there are some > things that IBM just doesn't seem able to hand out to people. Another > thing is to ask questions in the comp.sys.laptops newgroup, and/or look > in deja.com's archives for things. > > What I would like to see is a simple matrix of each ThinkPad, and what > models of batteries, ram parts, disks, etc each can use. That would be > too easy, perhaps. But if someone from IBM is listening perhaps they > might effect the start of such a page. > > --STeve Andre' > andres@msu.edu > > At 09:34 PM 10/23/1999 -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > >Thanks very much for the info, Bill! > > > >I'm still concerned that IBM doesn't seem to furnish this. I would expect > >that if a change occurred in the BIOS for a model that it would be in the > >release notes, but that wouldn't help for the original release. > > > >Where can we verify these numbers? or maybe I should ask IF we can verify > >these. > > > >Chris > > > >On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > >> Chris.. > >> 560, 755, 760, 765, 701 = 6.4gigs > >> 770 = sky is the limit.. > >> 365 not sure, probably 6.4gigs.. > >> 380/385 i THINK 14gigs.. > >> 560X, Z = 10gigs > >> > >> for exact info, send me an e-mail.. > >> > >> i will be putting this info up at my new website RoadWarriorTrading.com amd > >> on my old site thinkpads.com > >> > >> Chris Schumann wrote: > >> > >> > I looked here: http://www.thinkpads.com/hdd.htm > >> > > >> > While it does say how tall a drive can be, it doesn't say how uhm... > >> > capacious it can be for each model. IBM's got to know. Has anyone else > >> > tried their support pages to find this information? > >> > > >> > (I'm amazed my 750P will use a 6.4GB drive, especially since the machine > >> > was built in 1993. I would be stunned if it will use a 14GB drive.) > >> > > >> > Chris Schumann > >> > > >> > "Wait a minute, Joe. If what you're saying is true, > >> > then I still don't care." - Dave Nelson, News Radio > >> > >> -- > >> Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >> > >> ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > >> WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: > >> http://www.roadwarriortrading.com > >> Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > >> Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster > >> http://www.roadwarriortrading.com > >> e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > >> > >> use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > >> any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or > >> i just don't care.. :-) > >> > >> > > > >Chris Schumann > > > >"Wait a minute, Joe. If what you're saying is true, > >then I still don't care." - Dave Nelson, News Radio > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Mon Oct 25 23:45:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA25586 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:45:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19832; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:44:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19662; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19635; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:44:38 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-115.gate.net [207.36.212.115]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA56560; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:44:22 -0400 Message-ID: <381523AE.9A4272AB@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:44:46 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bill.Fayssoux" CC: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Hello References: <19991024130834.CKRA11466.mail.rdc2.mi.home.com@CX417385-A> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill.. i sold my 560 several months ago, but usually the hibernate file is created by: 1. the bios(701) or 2. a line in the autoexec.bat (HFILE C) where the "C" is the drive letter.. rem out the line and thats IT for the hibernate file..! :-) otherwise, you SHOULD be able to turn off hibernate in thinkpad features.. "Bill.Fayssoux" wrote: > I am new to this list, recently purchased a NEW 560E from NECX. This is my first portable computer so I have a few questions. > > I upgraded the memory to 80MB, flashed the bios to the most recent release on IBM's www side, upgraded to WIN 98 SE and > installed the 98 Thinkpad utilities from IBM's support site. Everything went well. Butt now I can not disable hibernation. On every > boot or restart I have to wait for the file C:\PM_HIBER.BIN to be created, I have tried to disable the hibernation FEATURE in power > management, it will delete the file but on boot create another. Any help will be appreciated.. I really can live without the > hibernation feature > > thanks > bill -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Tue Oct 26 00:10:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA25715 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:10:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21443; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:09:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21290; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21277; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (198.206.134.26 -> chickasaw.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:09:48 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-115.gate.net [207.36.212.115]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA79738; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:09:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3815298B.A92B948F@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:09:47 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Thinkpad model 701cs References: <3.0.6.32.19991024170020.009cd2d0@mail.netrover.com> <002101bf1e6b$7a93be20$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> <3813B432.C4368C54@engin.umich.edu> <009801bf1eb7$78fda340$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: BEWARE that "Refurbished" means more than "dust off".. the 701 really NEEDS the floppy, printer cable and multiport-II.. you can live without the ac adapter (the 560 version works fine) and a manual... best get those refurb machines on approval.. if the keyboard is pristine and the rest of it is good, then its ok.. if not, then its not.. IMHO David Ross wrote: > > I was in the same situation: 701C with no floppy drive, port replicator, or > > OS. My solution was to get a 2.5"-to-3.5" IDE adapter for $10 and connect my > > 701C's hard drive to my desktop computer. > [snip] > > This is good if the 701 is a second computer, and the owner is good at such things (i.e., ensuring that the desktop can recognize > both drives). Myself, I like the security of a floppy. However: I notice that ADW (or intellisale or whatever they're called these > days) has a bunch of 701cs refurbs for $170 without floppy (and even less at the onsale auction). I think that at that price I > could easily imagine not worrying too much about the floppy! > > - David -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Tue Oct 26 03:03:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA26205 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 03:03:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27522; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 03:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 03:02:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27279; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 03:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27258; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 03:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 03:02:24 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (kahuna.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA04943; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:02:11 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002201bf1f7f$f53d34c0$0f02000a@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" , "ThinkPad List" References: <3.0.6.32.19991024170020.009cd2d0@mail.netrover.com> <002101bf1e6b$7a93be20$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> <3813B432.C4368C54@engin.umich.edu> <009801bf1eb7$78fda340$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> <3815298B.A92B948F@icanect.net> Subject: Re: Thinkpad model 701cs Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:01:39 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Well, I was obviously replying to the previous thread, in which alternatives to a floppy were discussed. I would still love to know if a PCMCIA LS-120 disk (i.e., the Imation "superdisk") is bootable - this would solve many problems. Anyone thinking of buying a 701 nowadays might consider buying 2 - one for use, one for parts:-) - David ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morrow To: David Ross Cc: Aaron R. Teitlebaum ; ThinkPad List Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Thinkpad model 701cs > BEWARE that "Refurbished" means more than "dust off".. > the 701 really NEEDS the floppy, printer cable and multiport-II.. > you can live without the ac adapter (the 560 version works fine) and a manual... > > best get those refurb machines on approval.. > if the keyboard is pristine and the rest of it is good, then its ok.. if not, then its not.. > > IMHO > > David Ross wrote: > > > > I was in the same situation: 701C with no floppy drive, port replicator, or > > > OS. My solution was to get a 2.5"-to-3.5" IDE adapter for $10 and connect my > > > 701C's hard drive to my desktop computer. > > [snip] > > > > This is good if the 701 is a second computer, and the owner is good at such things (i.e., ensuring that the desktop can recognize > > both drives). Myself, I like the security of a floppy. However: I notice that ADW (or intellisale or whatever they're called these > > days) has a bunch of 701cs refurbs for $170 without floppy (and even less at the onsale auction). I think that at that price I > > could easily imagine not worrying too much about the floppy! > > > > - David > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, > any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) > > > From cph Tue Oct 26 05:56:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA26561 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 05:56:07 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17181; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 05:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 05:55:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17016; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 05:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17003; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 05:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 05:54:54 -0400 Received: from intellistation (vkyr-home.lav.de [194.64.62.36]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA10996; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:54:45 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: "William Armstrong" Cc: "THINKPAD" Subject: RE: 770 RIP? Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:53:50 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I contacted one big IBM-Dealer here in germany, which is also specialized in Thinkpads and asked him what's going on with the TP 770 models. He told me that the 770 models will now be sold out and should then be no longer available. Instead of the 770 model series there will be next year a new highend Thinkpad model line, which will have a different model number (since IBMs model number range always stops at the "Z") according to the person I spoke with. If the above statements for the sell out are correct, then people interested in a 770X/Z should take a look to get one for a nicer price. > To all: > > Doubtful that the 770 has bit the dust. None of these new models have the > higher resolution screen (1280 x 1024 pixels) and the new 20+ GB > hard drive. > These are the things that set the 770 apart from the other models. I'm > disappointed that the higher resolution screen has not made it > into the 600 > series. Perhaps there is a technical complication that prevents this from > being done. > > Bill Armstrong > > > -----Original Message----- > From: J. Williams [mailto:williams@u.washington.edu] > Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 1:46 PM > To: Gregory Harris > Cc: Thinkpad List > Subject: Re: 770 RIP? > > You might be right. > > Check out the new 600 models (PIII at 500mhz) > > http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=Thin kPad+600&c ntry=840<=en_US vs Nothing new for the 770 series: http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad+770&c ntry=840<=en_US John On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Gregory Harris wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I was just surfing IBMs' site for a new AC adapter and noticed that the 770 > is no longer listed on the Thinkpads page. > > Anybody have further news of this development? > > Cheers, > > Greg Harris > From cph Tue Oct 26 13:07:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA29323 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:07:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13067; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:00:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12595; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12581; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (144.92.108.61 -> ssec.wisc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:00:36 -0400 Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (bluejay.ssec.wisc.edu [144.92.118.200]) by ssec.wisc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21050 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:01:15 -0500 Message-ID: <3815E501.506F98D@ssec.wisc.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:29:39 -0500 From: Paul Schnettler Reply-To: paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu Organization: UW-Space Science & Engineering Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: the saga continues Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: A few weeks back I asked for help w/system load order, I got a bunch of great responses. I statred the task this past weekend and ran into a big roadblock... Thought I'd go to micro$ofts site but then figured I'd give the thinkpad site a shot first... heres' my problem: The version of win/95 I have is an "upgrade" version that is supposed to recognize WFW 3.11 as a viable OS for upgrade. I loaded my backpack Cd-rom drivers and pruned the HD for a bunch of space to hold win/95. I get to the load part and the installer comes back with: uncompatible OS version...install aborted Any ideas what I should try...I thought I read somewhere how to fake the loader out...is it DOS? I could load ver 6.22 I'm trying to load on a 486 w/16mb ram & a small HD so win98 is outa the question. thanks, Paul Schnettler From cph Tue Oct 26 15:06:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA30414 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:06:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21955; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:04:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21819; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21784; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:04:42 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.217.243]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991026190439.MUMW19487@oemcomputer>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:04:39 +0000 Message-ID: <3815FBCC.1ECF@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:06:52 -0400 From: Birger Petterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: the saga continues References: <3815E501.506F98D@ssec.wisc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > Any ideas what I should try...I thought I read somewhere how to fake the > loader out...is it DOS? I could load ver 6.22 > I'm trying to load on a 486 w/16mb ram & a small HD so win98 is outa the > question. > You need disk one of win 3.11. The upgrade will ask you for it. Birger From cph Tue Oct 26 15:33:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA30649 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:33:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24443; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:30:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24178; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24059; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:29:01 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2ive69f.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.25.47]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA00550; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:28:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Jeffrey Baker" Cc: "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: 770 RIP? Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:30:27 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <002c01bf1fe2$e9e2fb60$0200a8c0@Laptop> List-Unsubscribe: Jeff, I'm guessing a slightly thinner machine, but not as thin as 600, perhaps with lighter weight materials. Maybe a curvier, dare I say sexier, case, but I would not hold my breath on that. Just read about new graphics chips for laptops that I bet we will see on a 770 replacement. Definitely a +20gb hard drive. An UltrayBay CD-RW drive as an option is a possibility (if not by IBM, then by someone else). These are just speculations. Others here can probably do better. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Baker [mailto:plumbush2@mediaone.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 2:50 PM To: William Armstrong Subject: RE: 770 RIP? Bill - I couldn't agree with you more. I can't imagine going back to a lower resolution screen, though I'd sure like to see it on a 600 model (with a lower profile so that sharp corner doesn't bite my wrist when I type). Couldn't afford to replace the 770z anyway, just wishing. . . -- Jeff -----Original Message----- From: William Armstrong [mailto:warmstrong@waldinc.com] Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 2:35 PM To: Thinkpad List Subject: RE: 770 RIP? To all: Doubtful that the 770 has bit the dust. None of these new models have the higher resolution screen (1280 x 1024 pixels) and the new 20+ GB hard drive. These are the things that set the 770 apart from the other models. I'm disappointed that the higher resolution screen has not made it into the 600 series. Perhaps there is a technical complication that prevents this from being done. Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: J. Williams [mailto:williams@u.washington.edu] Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 1:46 PM To: Gregory Harris Cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: 770 RIP? You might be right. Check out the new 600 models (PIII at 500mhz) http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad+600&c ntry=840<=en_US vs Nothing new for the 770 series: http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad+770&c ntry=840<=en_US John On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Gregory Harris wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > I was just surfing IBMs' site for a new AC adapter and noticed that the 770 > is no longer listed on the Thinkpads page. > > Anybody have further news of this development? > > Cheers, > > Greg Harris > From cph Tue Oct 26 16:30:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA31164 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:30:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28690; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:29:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28531; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28501; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:29:07 -0400 Received: from ati-ga14-37.ix.netcom.com (ati-ga14-37.ix.netcom.com [207.95.119.101]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA07397; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910262029.QAA07397@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan" To: "paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <3815E501.506F98D@ssec.wisc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: the saga continues List-Unsubscribe: it's been a while, but you need to put one of the win3.1 install disks in the floppy. I think it is the first one; it may not matter. all it does it take a look, then load dose95. On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:29:39 -0500, Paul Schnettler wrote: >A few weeks back I asked for help w/system load order, I got a bunch of >great responses. I statred the task this past weekend and ran into a big >roadblock... >Thought I'd go to micro$ofts site but then figured I'd give the thinkpad >site a shot first... >heres' my problem: >The version of win/95 I have is an "upgrade" version that is supposed to >recognize WFW 3.11 as a viable OS for upgrade. I loaded my backpack >Cd-rom drivers and pruned the HD for a bunch of space to hold win/95. I >get to the load part and the installer comes back with: uncompatible OS >version...install aborted > >Any ideas what I should try...I thought I read somewhere how to fake the >loader out...is it DOS? I could load ver 6.22 >I'm trying to load on a 486 w/16mb ram & a small HD so win98 is outa the >question. >thanks, >Paul Schnettler > From cph Tue Oct 26 17:15:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA31631 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:15:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02490; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:13:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02280; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02265; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.140 -> ds-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:13:35 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) id RAA17673 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) with SMTP id RAA17601 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910262113.RAA17601@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "Thinkpad List" Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:14:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 770 RIP? List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT), J. Williams wrote: >Check out the new 600 models (PIII at 500mhz) > >http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad+600&cntry=840&lang=en_US For some strange reason, DVD on the 400MHz, but not on the 500MHz (the latter does appear to come with _no_ CD drive in one configuration, though). And it sure would be nice if they could have bumped up the screen resolution (maybe with a 13.7" screen? Or even on external monitor only -- this 1024x768 looks pretty lame on external display). I wonder how much these things will cost?! andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/LongBeachCA.html From cph Tue Oct 26 23:48:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA01587 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:48:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22746; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:46:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22501; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22487; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (192.48.96.19 -> wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:46:34 -0400 Received: from cheatriver.com by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: 1Cust16.tnt2.morristown2.nj.da.uu.net [63.15.223.16]) id QQhmrj02837 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 02:57:28 GMT Message-ID: <38166AA7.33FC9C35@cheatriver.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:59:52 -0400 From: Kathe Robin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Processor upgrade for 133Mh 760ED? References: <199910262113.RAA17601@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know if there is a processor upgrade available for the 133Mh 760ED (w/XGA screen (9546-U9A)? I assume if there is it will be unrealistically priced for an upgrade, but I'd still like to know. Thanks, Max ------------------------------------------------------- email: m_robin@cheatriver.com smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. Cheat River Engineering Inc. 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 fax: 973 - 627 - 5460 ------------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Oct 27 02:38:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA02316 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 02:38:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28662; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 02:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 02:37:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28527; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 02:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28492; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 02:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 02:36:14 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-3.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.3]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA29934 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 02:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991027023428.0136eaf0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 02:34:28 -0700 To: "Thinkpad List" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: 770 RIP? In-Reply-To: <199910262113.RAA17601@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:14 PM 10/26/1999 -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: >On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT), J. Williams wrote: > >>Check out the new 600 models (PIII at 500mhz) >> >>http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad+600 &cntry=840&lang=en_US > > >For some strange reason, DVD on the 400MHz, but not on the 500MHz >(the latter does appear to come with _no_ CD drive in one >configuration, though). > >And it sure would be nice if they could have bumped up the screen >resolution (maybe with a 13.7" screen? Or even on external monitor >only -- this 1024x768 looks pretty lame on external display). > >I wonder how much these things will cost?! I concur. I want the 13.7" SXGA TFT, and the ability to use the largest capacity HDs in a form factor that is right between the 600 and 770 series (preferably 600, but, well, that's not gonna happen, er, right? ). <> then I woke up and continued to use my 770z. :) ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Oct 27 09:44:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA03757 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:44:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27939; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:42:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27718; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27704; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:42:41 -0400 Received: by SPR_MAIN with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <461XD9N3>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:45:38 -0500 Message-ID: <195C527E2345D311A97C009027856AB8014C1B@BIGRED> From: Greg Langham To: "'Mark Bell'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: 770 RIP? Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:44:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" List-Unsubscribe: I have also heard rumors of a 15" screen on the 770 replacement. I know the Dell Inspiron 7500 has a new 1400x1048 15" display. While this would not be a machine for a road warrier, it would be great for those of us who mainly haul their laptops by car or private plane (i.e. we don't carry it too much.) The more screen real estate the better for me! I currently have a 770z with the 13.7" screen and would love the same screen in a 15" size. Greg Langham -----Original Message----- From: Mark Bell [mailto:bytehead@bellatlantic.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 4:34 AM To: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: 770 RIP? At 05:14 PM 10/26/1999 -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: >On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT), J. Williams wrote: > >>Check out the new 600 models (PIII at 500mhz) >> >>http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad+600 &cntry=840&lang=en_US > > >For some strange reason, DVD on the 400MHz, but not on the 500MHz >(the latter does appear to come with _no_ CD drive in one >configuration, though). > >And it sure would be nice if they could have bumped up the screen >resolution (maybe with a 13.7" screen? Or even on external monitor >only -- this 1024x768 looks pretty lame on external display). > >I wonder how much these things will cost?! I concur. I want the 13.7" SXGA TFT, and the ability to use the largest capacity HDs in a form factor that is right between the 600 and 770 series (preferably 600, but, well, that's not gonna happen, er, right? ). <> then I woke up and continued to use my 770z. :) ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Oct 27 10:23:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA03962 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:23:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01198; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:21:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01005; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00928; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:20:28 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-20.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.20]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA27307 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991027101808.010fa200@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:18:08 -0700 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: RE: 770 RIP? In-Reply-To: <195C527E2345D311A97C009027856AB8014C1B@BIGRED> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: The 7500 series has a 15" SXGA+ (1400x1050), and a model with a 15.4" SXGA (1280x1024). I like the dual floppy/CD too. The only problems I have with the Inspiron series are sheer size and bulk (they are freakin' tanks), and the lack of a trackpoint like pointing device (I detest trackpads). I would take a 13.7" SXGA in a 600 form factor over a Inspiron behemoth anyday. :) We had a 7000 in some months back for a client, and it was *wicked* fast, 3D accelerated (Well, as much as the Rage Pro chipset can be considered, "cutting edge,"), huge screen (15"), and built solidly, but it could have sunk the Titanic on its own. At 08:44 AM 10/27/1999 -0500, Greg Langham wrote: >I have also heard rumors of a 15" screen on the 770 replacement. I know the >Dell Inspiron 7500 has a new 1400x1048 15" display. While this would not be >a machine for a road warrier, it would be great for those of us who mainly >haul their laptops by car or private plane (i.e. we don't carry it too >much.) > >The more screen real estate the better for me! I currently have a 770z with >the 13.7" screen and would love the same screen in a 15" size. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Oct 27 10:35:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA04054 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:35:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02362; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:34:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02166; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02148; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:34:04 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06611 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:34:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (rasgvnt0334.uhc.com [168.183.197.44]) by fw1.uhc.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06587 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:33:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991027103345.00929a00@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:33:45 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: 770 RIP? In-Reply-To: <195C527E2345D311A97C009027856AB8014C1B@BIGRED> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:44 AM 10/27/99 -0500, Greg Langham wrote: >I have also heard rumors of a 15" screen on the 770 replacement. > Check out the 15" 390X... From cph Wed Oct 27 10:52:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA04156 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:52:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04111; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:51:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03918; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03879; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:51:08 -0400 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [194.216.44.43]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02422 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:54:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [194.216.44.36]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA12737 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:50:50 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:50:45 +0000 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: 750CX Screen cable MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA04158 I've just got hold of a 755CX with a busted screen cable. I have a 755C that is getting a bit old in the tooth, though will still cut the mustard as a standalone screenless (or external monitor) linux box as a firewall or some such. The battery is knackered, so I'd prefer to use the 755CX from now on when mobile. So, my options are: 1) Fix the screen cable. THis means a session with a soldering iron and a scalpel and a load of potting compound. But it will be a pain to do and may be unreliable. 2) Can I use my 755C screen on the 755CX - the connectors look roughly the same? 3) can I get a cable from IBM (unlikely), or is the other end soldered down? - Adam ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Wed Oct 27 11:06:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA04258 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:05:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05603; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:04:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05280; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04979; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:00:19 -0400 Received: from richard (209-122-225-218.s218.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.225.218]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id LAA09649 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.19991027105642.00b69340@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:58:47 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: 570 speaker Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: The speaker on my 570 is only working about 10% of the time. Plugging a headphone into the jack always works. I can't figure out any pattern to the times the speaker works or not. Any suggestions? Or should I just send the machine off to ezserve? From cph Wed Oct 27 11:25:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA04369 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:25:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07604; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:23:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07325; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot023.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07289; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot023.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.123 -> pilot023.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:23:33 -0400 Received: from andres (port37.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.176]) by pilot023.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA20850 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:23:22 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991027112322.00ad7d70@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:23:22 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 570 speaker In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.19991027105642.00b69340@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Sounds like the classic broken wire or loose connector to me. If you are the advanterous type (and have no current warrenty) you might want to open it up and see if something is loose. If not, send it in. Sounds like the electronics are OK, just an intermittant connection to the speaker. --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu At 10:58 AM 10/27/1999 -0400, richard wrote: >The speaker on my 570 is only working about 10% of the time. Plugging a >headphone into the jack always works. I can't figure out any pattern to >the times the speaker works or not. > >Any suggestions? Or should I just send the machine off to ezserve? From cph Wed Oct 27 11:47:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA04561 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:47:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09637; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:42:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09155; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09003; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:40:07 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-140.gate.net [207.36.212.140]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA122116; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:35:26 -0400 Message-ID: <38171CC8.C0A7D91A@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:39:52 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Valentino Kyriakides CC: William Armstrong , THINKPAD Subject: Re: 770 RIP? References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------54A7E195CBEF2EE7E4474D96" List-Unsubscribe: --------------54A7E195CBEF2EE7E4474D96 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AFAIK the 770 is not in production any longer. also, the new and replacement model is supopsed to be in production, though i'm not sure if this was meant to be the 775 or the new 600... last i heard was the 775(?) would be announced and then available around christmas.. this might mean new year.. it has been unusually quiet IRT the next top end model.. Valentino Kyriakides wrote: > I contacted one big IBM-Dealer here in germany, which is also specialized in > Thinkpads and asked him what's going on with the TP 770 models. > > He told me that the 770 models will now be sold out and should then be no > longer available. Instead of the 770 model series there will be next year a > new highend Thinkpad model line, which will have a different model number > (since IBMs model number range always stops at the "Z") according to the > person I spoke with. > > If the above statements for the sell out are correct, then people interested > in a 770X/Z should take a look to get one for a nicer price. > > > To all: > > > > Doubtful that the 770 has bit the dust. None of these new models have the > > higher resolution screen (1280 x 1024 pixels) and the new 20+ GB > > hard drive. > > These are the things that set the 770 apart from the other models. I'm > > disappointed that the higher resolution screen has not made it > > into the 600 > > series. Perhaps there is a technical complication that prevents this from > > being done. > > > > Bill Armstrong > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: J. Williams [mailto:williams@u.washington.edu] > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 1:46 PM > > To: Gregory Harris > > Cc: Thinkpad List > > Subject: Re: 770 RIP? > > > > You might be right. > > > > Check out the new 600 models (PIII at 500mhz) > > > > http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=Thin > kPad+600&c > ntry=840<=en_US > > vs > > Nothing new for the 770 series: > > http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad+770&c > ntry=840<=en_US > > John > > On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Gregory Harris wrote: > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > I was just surfing IBMs' site for a new AC adapter and noticed that the > 770 > > is no longer listed on the Thinkpads page. > > > > Anybody have further news of this development? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Greg Harris > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) --------------54A7E195CBEF2EE7E4474D96 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AFAIK the 770 is not in production any longer.
also, the new and replacement model is supopsed to be in production, though i'm not sure if this was meant to be the 775 or the new 600...
last i heard was the 775(?) would be announced and then available around christmas.. this might mean new year..

it has been unusually quiet IRT the next top end model..

Valentino Kyriakides wrote:

I contacted one big IBM-Dealer here in germany, which is also specialized in
Thinkpads and asked him what's going on with the TP 770 models.

He told me that the 770 models will now be sold out and should then be no
longer available. Instead of the 770 model series there will be next year a
new highend Thinkpad model line, which will have a different model number
(since IBMs model number range always stops at the "Z") according to the
person I spoke with.

If the above statements for the sell out are correct, then people interested
in a 770X/Z should take a look to get one for a nicer price.

> To all:
>
> Doubtful that the 770 has bit the dust.  None of these new models have the
> higher resolution screen (1280 x 1024 pixels) and the new 20+ GB
> hard drive.
> These are the things that set the 770 apart from the other models.  I'm
> disappointed that the higher resolution screen has not made it
> into the 600
> series.  Perhaps there is a technical complication that prevents this from
> being done.
>
> Bill Armstrong
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. Williams [mailto:williams@u.washington.edu]
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 1:46 PM
> To: Gregory Harris
> Cc: Thinkpad List
> Subject: Re: 770 RIP?
>
> You might be right.
>
> Check out the new 600 models (PIII at 500mhz)
>
> http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=Thin
kPad+600&c
ntry=840<=en_US

vs

Nothing new for the 770 series:

http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad+770&c
ntry=840<=en_US

John

On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Gregory Harris wrote:

> Hi Everybody,
>
> I was just surfing IBMs' site for a new AC adapter and noticed that the
770
> is no longer listed on the Thinkpads page.
>
> Anybody have further news of this development?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Greg Harris
>

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net

use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames,
any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care..  :-)
  --------------54A7E195CBEF2EE7E4474D96-- From cph Wed Oct 27 11:49:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA04576 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:49:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10052; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:47:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09849; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09696; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:47:13 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-140.gate.net [207.36.212.140]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA507276; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:42:48 -0400 Message-ID: <38171E82.DA8ADAC4@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:47:14 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: the saga continues References: <3815E501.506F98D@ssec.wisc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul.. there is a page on my site which tells how to fool win95B into loading over win95 when it was not supposed to do that.. not sure of the exact link, but if you look around you'll find it.. if not, ask and i'll dig the link out for you.. this is on thinkpads.com, not roadwarriortrading.com (yet).. :-) i hope this is a help.. it involves editing Paul Schnettler wrote: > A few weeks back I asked for help w/system load order, I got a bunch of > great responses. I statred the task this past weekend and ran into a big > roadblock... > Thought I'd go to micro$ofts site but then figured I'd give the thinkpad > site a shot first... > heres' my problem: > The version of win/95 I have is an "upgrade" version that is supposed to > recognize WFW 3.11 as a viable OS for upgrade. I loaded my backpack > Cd-rom drivers and pruned the HD for a bunch of space to hold win/95. I > get to the load part and the installer comes back with: uncompatible OS > version...install aborted > > Any ideas what I should try...I thought I read somewhere how to fake the > loader out...is it DOS? I could load ver 6.22 > I'm trying to load on a 486 w/16mb ram & a small HD so win98 is outa the > question. > thanks, > Paul Schnettler -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Wed Oct 27 11:53:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA04630 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:53:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10832; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:50:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10330; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10316; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:50:43 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-140.gate.net [207.36.212.140]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA81478; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:50:21 -0400 Message-ID: <38171F56.25D939AF@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:50:46 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kathe Robin CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Processor upgrade for 133Mh 760ED? References: <199910262113.RAA17601@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> <38166AA7.33FC9C35@cheatriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Kathe.. there is a company called Evergreen that does or did upgrades.. not sure if the 760ED is one of the target machines.. if memory serves, the cost was about $300~ i suggest that you get a newer machine (765D or L) or older 770 or 600, and sell the 760ED.. the cpu upgrade is not, IMHO, a cost effective solution for a number of reasons.. Kathe Robin wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a processor upgrade available for the 133Mh > 760ED (w/XGA screen (9546-U9A)? I assume if there is it will be > unrealistically priced for an upgrade, but I'd still like to know. > > Thanks, > > Max > ------------------------------------------------------- > email: m_robin@cheatriver.com > > smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. > Cheat River Engineering Inc. > 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 > Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 > > voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 fax: 973 - 627 - 5460 > ------------------------------------------------------- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Wed Oct 27 12:17:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA04835 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:17:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13903; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:15:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13602; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13564; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:15:35 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id MAA21755 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id MAA21708 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910271615.MAA21708@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "Thinkpad List" Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:14:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 770 RIP? List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 27 Oct 1999 02:34:28 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: >I concur. I want the 13.7" SXGA TFT, and the ability to >use the largest capacity HDs in a form factor that is >right between the 600 and 770 series (preferably 600, >but, well, that's not gonna happen, er, right? ). But really, we're only talking, what, 0.4" bigger diagonally? The current bezel might be the absolute minimum, but it would only be about 3/8" bigger each way. Square off the angled part of the bezel and you might be half-way there. Although I'd like 17mm drives, if they could pack a 13.7" screen onto a 600 body (maybe slightly bigger, but less than 1/2") with 12.7mm drives, I'd buy it in a minute! And I _still_ think they should find a way to boost the external display to at least 1280x1024, or higher, if they can't give us a bigger internal display! andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Wed Oct 27 12:23:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA04886 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:23:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14993; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:21:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11603; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11475; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:56:18 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-140.gate.net [207.36.212.140]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA118722; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:55:09 -0400 Message-ID: <38172074.8AC4E8C3@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:55:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Quantrill CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 750CX Screen cable References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Adam.. Adam Quantrill wrote: > I've just got hold of a 755CX with a busted screen cable. > > I have a 755C that is getting a bit old in the tooth, though will still cut the mustard as a standalone screenless (or external monitor) linux box as a firewall or some such. The battery is knackered, so I'd prefer to use the 755CX from now on when mobile. > > So, my options are: > > 1) Fix the screen cable. THis means a session with a soldering iron and a scalpel and a load of potting compound. But it will be a pain to do and may be unreliable. > depending on the reason for the 'damage' it MIGHT be repairable, but unless it is near one of the plug or socket ends i doubt any repair would hold.. repairing the cable itself is, IMO, impossible.. > > 2) Can I use my 755C screen on the 755CX - the connectors look roughly the same? > maybe, depending on the display.. > > 3) can I get a cable from IBM (unlikely), or is the other end soldered down? > no, no cable. they sell this stuff by the entire assembly.. look around and see if there is a busted display machine available any place.. > > - Adam > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 > Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 > Harston http://www.generics.co.uk > Cambridge CB2 5NH > United Kingdom > Registered in England No 2081960 > ------------------------------------------------------------ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Wed Oct 27 12:47:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA05073 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:47:01 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17511; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:44:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17276; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17246; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:44:37 -0400 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [194.216.44.43]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03980 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:47:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [194.216.44.36]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA14797 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:44:31 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:44:22 +0000 Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Big drives in a 755C MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA05074 While reading a catalogue last night I was pleasantly surprised to find 4GB IBM travelstar notebook drives at under £100. So I thought I'd ask: 1) Has anyone out there used > 540MB in the thinkpad 755C? I can't see why it won't work as I have a 2GB IDE disk in my docking station, and that works OK. Is there a BIOS limit, and if so is it going to be on capacity or cylinders? 2) Is the Travelstar going to fit directly into my 755C caddies as a swap for a 540MB disk and work electrically with the adaptor cable? - Adam ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Wed Oct 27 13:00:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA05177 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:00:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19106; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:58:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18862; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18837; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.51 -> mail1.wlv.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:58:10 -0400 Received: (qmail 29679 invoked by uid 0); 27 Oct 1999 16:57:57 -0000 Received: from pppa4-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.90.63) by mail1.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 27 Oct 1999 16:57:57 -0000 Message-ID: <38172F0D.DDADC383@netzero.net> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:57:49 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Sick and tired... about IBM 770 Parts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: As somebody else commented sometime ago to the list, the IBM Shopping website is not listing the TP 770 in their scrolldown menu for "service parts"... After a few email messages about this deficiency, I finally got their attention. Quoting from their reply: -------- Original Message -------- Date: Wed, 27 Oct 99 09:10:33 MDT From: askibm@vnet.ibm.com To: jclerman@netzero.net IBM-CALLOWN INTERNET RESPONSE FACILITY To......: jclerman@netzero.net Subject.: SHOPIBM US CONTACT Dear Dr. Lerman, Thank you for contacting IBM. We are in receipt of your e-mail regarding the IBM Web site. Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention. Please note that we have forwarded your e-mail to the webmaster of this site for further review and assistance. We appreciate your patience and feedback and apologize for any inconvenience or frustrations that you have experienced. In the meantime, please contact the IBM PC Helpcenter at 1-800-772-2227. Please select options 3 and then 2 on the voice response unit to be connected to the ThinkPad Group. .............................................................. Thank you for using the IBM Electronic Response System. MICHELLE (M.T.) 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Box 289 Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 fax: 973 - 627 - 5460 ------------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Oct 27 14:16:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA05842 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:16:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27082; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:15:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26853; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26818; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (165.87.194.243 -> out5.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:15:17 -0400 Received: from basterfield.com ([139.92.21.12]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <199910271814522430361e6de>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:14:53 +0000 Message-ID: <381740E8.6E4B82C0@basterfield.com> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:14:00 +0100 From: Daniel Basterfield Organization: My middle name! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Quantrill CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 750CX Screen cable References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Adam Quantrill wrote: > > I've just got hold of a 755CX with a busted screen cable. > > > 2) Can I use my 755C screen on the 755CX - the connectors look roughly the same? > Adam, I have a 750Cs onto which I swapped a 755CD/CX black matrix TFT screen as an upgrade. All the connectors are the same and correctly located. The swap took about an hour, working carefully. No problems in the last 2+ years. As far as I know the 755's, 750's, 360's and 370's all had interchangeable screens. Dan. -- Daniel Basterfield "He who dies with the most toys wins" OS/2 Certified Engineer Microsoft Certified Professional ----------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM PC110 web page: http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/pc110idx.htm From cph Wed Oct 27 14:27:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA05966 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:27:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28946; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:22:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27970; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27888; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (165.87.194.243 -> out5.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:21:43 -0400 Received: from basterfield.com ([139.92.25.135]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <19991027182138243025hodue>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:21:38 +0000 Message-ID: <38174262.77DCC8B3@basterfield.com> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:20:18 +0100 From: Daniel Basterfield Organization: My middle name! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Quantrill CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Big drives in a 755C References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Adam Quantrill wrote: > > 1) Has anyone out there used > 540MB in the thinkpad 755C? I can't see why it won't work as I have a 2GB IDE disk in my docking station, and that works OK. Is there a BIOS limit, and if so is it going to be on capacity or cylinders? The 810MB (790-ish formatted) was a standard option on 755s. I use one on my 750. We used to use OEM 1GB+ drives on our 755's at work. I don't believe there were any problems regarding BIOS limitations. Check you're on the latest BIOS. > > 2) Is the Travelstar going to fit directly into my 755C caddies as a swap for a 540MB disk and work electrically with the adaptor cable? > Provided it's a standard 15mm high 2.5" IDE drive, I see no reason why it should not. The caddies don't look like they would take a 17mm high drive, but I could be wrong. Dan. -- Daniel Basterfield "He who dies with the most toys wins" OS/2 Certified Engineer Microsoft Certified Professional ----------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM PC110 web page: http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/pc110idx.htm From cph Wed Oct 27 14:30:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA06019 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:30:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29460; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:24:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28284; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28112; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.121 -> pilot021.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:23:09 -0400 Received: from andres (port37.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.176]) by pilot021.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA23924 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:23:01 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991027142248.00adda00@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:22:48 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: black matrix TFT screens? In-Reply-To: <381740E8.6E4B82C0@basterfield.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have heard that phrase "back matrix TFT" before--what is that? I seem to remember IBM talking about this during the time I wasn't using TP's. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! --STeve Andre' andres@msu.edu ... >Adam, > >I have a 750Cs onto which I swapped a 755CD/CX black matrix TFT screen >as an upgrade. All the connectors are the same and correctly located. >The swap took about an hour, working carefully. No problems in the last >2+ years. ... From cph Wed Oct 27 15:23:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA06514 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:23:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04832; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:21:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04476; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04396; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (165.87.194.252 -> out1.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:21:03 -0400 Received: from basterfield.com ([139.92.195.176]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <1999102719205625204fp694e>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:20:59 +0000 Message-ID: <38175080.BD3F011F@basterfield.com> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 20:20:32 +0100 From: Daniel Basterfield Organization: My middle name! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: black matrix TFT screens? References: <3.0.6.32.19991027142248.00adda00@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: STeve Andre' wrote: > > I have heard that phrase "back matrix TFT" before--what is that? I > seem to remember IBM talking about this during the time I wasn't > using TP's. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! It refers to one of the layers within the TFT sandwich. An opaque grid was added to reduce backlight bleeding round the pixels, and so give greater contrast, thus making the screen easier to read in bright conditions such as direct sunlight. This grid was referred to by IBM as the 'black matrix'; it was introduced on the 755CD/CX and 820/850 ThinkPads in 1995. I believe all but the cheapest TFT models have had this since then. Colour DSTN panels give around 20:1 contrast; basic TFT gives 100:1; black matrix TFT gives better than this (seem to remember it was approaching 150:1 recently). This makes the TFT panels brighter. TFT panels also run at at least six times the pixel refresh speed of a DSTN screen; this reduces the motion blur which detracts from a DSTN panel. Remember that all TFT's are not equal - I have a Compaq Armada 7792 at work, and its TFT screen blurs terribly compared to a 760EL, for instance. Can anyone compare TFT and DSTN to HPA for me? High-performance DSTN, isn't it? Sounds dodgy. Dan. -- Daniel Basterfield "He who dies with the most toys wins" OS/2 Certified Engineer Microsoft Certified Professional ----------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM PC110 web page: http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/pc110idx.htm From cph Wed Oct 27 17:50:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA07880 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:50:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16339; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:47:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16052; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16034; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (216.231.41.3 -> grace.speakeasy.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:47:39 -0400 Received: from 770z (01-051.031.popsite.net [216.3.181.51]) by grace.speakeasy.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA12771; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:47:11 -0700 From: "Richard Chalk" To: "Bill Morrow" , Cc: Subject: RE: the saga continues Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:47:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <38171E82.DA8ADAC4@icanect.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I may be rusty on this, but I seem to recall that all you have to do is delete the file "Win.com" from The Windows directory, and the full version will install Richard Richard Chalk Vice-President - Sales Phone 770-992-1819 BAF Communications Corp. Fax 770-992-8989 4330 Sprucebough Drive e-mail rchalk@baf-mti.com Marietta, GA 30062 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@icanect.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 11:47 AM To: paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: the saga continues Paul.. there is a page on my site which tells how to fool win95B into loading over win95 when it was not supposed to do that.. not sure of the exact link, but if you look around you'll find it.. if not, ask and i'll dig the link out for you.. this is on thinkpads.com, not roadwarriortrading.com (yet).. :-) i hope this is a help.. it involves editing Paul Schnettler wrote: > A few weeks back I asked for help w/system load order, I got a bunch of > great responses. I statred the task this past weekend and ran into a big > roadblock... > Thought I'd go to micro$ofts site but then figured I'd give the thinkpad > site a shot first... > heres' my problem: > The version of win/95 I have is an "upgrade" version that is supposed to > recognize WFW 3.11 as a viable OS for upgrade. I loaded my backpack > Cd-rom drivers and pruned the HD for a bunch of space to hold win/95. I > get to the load part and the installer comes back with: uncompatible OS > version...install aborted > > Any ideas what I should try...I thought I read somewhere how to fake the > loader out...is it DOS? I could load ver 6.22 > I'm trying to load on a 486 w/16mb ram & a small HD so win98 is outa the > question. > thanks, > Paul Schnettler -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Wed Oct 27 18:50:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA08321 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:50:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19839; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:48:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19689; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19675; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:48:50 -0400 Received: from thinkpad760xl (mg136-026.ricochet.net [204.179.136.26]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23811 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:48:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000801bf20cd$624a8a60$5950c998@thinkpad760xl> From: "mike" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Memory? Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:48:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Just bought a 16mb ram chip for my 760xl (Kingston). I have in there now a 16mb chip by Advantage memory. I get error 201 when both are in there. But if I don't put them together they both work. So, anyone know what the problem is? Do I have to match manufacturer ram? Thanks, Mike From cph Wed Oct 27 22:18:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA09758 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:18:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02152; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:16:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01943; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scn4.scn.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01917; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scn4.scn.org (209.63.95.149 -> scn4.scn.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:16:32 -0400 Received: from scn.org (er-chan@scn [209.63.95.146]) by scn4.scn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA21132; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (er-chan@localhost) by scn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA02652; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:20:16 -0700 (PDT) From: er-chan X-Sender: er-chan@scn To: George Neurauter cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: nix on thinkpads (fwd) In-Reply-To: <002e01bf1f03$9bf438e0$6c68fea9@neurautr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for all your input and the rest of the mailing list. Yes I would like to know of linux installations on thinkpads and websites related to that. er-chan@scn.org > > Hi, > > I actually have a whole list of i Series Linux sites if you'd like me to > email them to you. I am thinking about doing an i Series site, but, as of > yet, I do not have any address yet. Thanks for the info. > > George > > From cph Thu Oct 28 07:32:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA11617 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:32:26 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05653; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:29:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05443; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05428; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:29:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.66 -> imo22.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:29:14 -0400 Received: from JEShoemaker@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id oPMWa19964 (4203); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.b746b6fd.25498d84@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:29:08 EDT Subject: Using Partition Magic 4.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: bill@thinkpads.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 List-Unsubscribe: I recently coverted my 770X 8.1GB HDD to FAT 32 using Windows 98's Fat convertor utility. When I asked about this, Bill Morrow and others suggested also using Partition Magic 4.0 to change the 2 partitions to just one 8.1GB partition. Well, Partition Magic 4.0 just arrived and I was wondering if there is anything that I should be aware of before installing it ... or is the process fairly straight forward and user friendly? The accompanying documentation mentions the possible loss of CD-ROM recognition after repartitioning. Anyone experienced problems that I can learn from before I start? TIA ... John From cph Thu Oct 28 09:23:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA12128 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:23:13 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11248; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:21:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11074; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11060; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:21:46 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20301; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <38184DE6.6AAF825B@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:21:42 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JEShoemaker@aol.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, bill@thinkpads.com Subject: Re: Using Partition Magic 4.0 References: <0.b746b6fd.25498d84@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: First off, I would go to their web site and download any updates. I believe there are updates/fixes for 4.0. --Lee From cph Thu Oct 28 10:38:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA12647 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:38:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17128; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:35:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16986; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16972; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (198.206.134.31 -> onondaga.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:35:46 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-354.gate.net [199.227.131.163]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA212764; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:31:16 -0400 Message-ID: <38185F4B.1692CC47@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:35:55 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Memory? References: <000801bf20cd$624a8a60$5950c998@thinkpad760xl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Typically, you should NOT need to match the manufacturer for those two DIMM's.. if both parts don't work together, and each work and pass the memory test seperately, then obviously one is sub-standard.. i know kingston is a good brand, but i don't know the same about advantage.. though they are widely advertised.. 1. there could be a timing issue between these two disparate parts.. check the chips for the same speed.. though this is NOT the timing issue i.m talking about.. 2. the DIMM carrier might be bad.. try to borrow a different DIMM for testing only.. 3. call the tech support line for the newest part.. mike wrote: > Just bought a 16mb ram chip for my 760xl (Kingston). I have in there now a > 16mb chip by Advantage memory. I get error 201 when both are in there. But > if I don't put them together they both work. So, anyone know what the > problem is? Do I have to match manufacturer ram? > > Thanks, > > Mike -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Oct 28 11:00:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12777 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:00:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19156; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:58:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19008; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18993; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:58:24 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-354.gate.net [199.227.131.163]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA67902; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:58:01 -0400 Message-ID: <38186493.551FD5E3@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:58:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Basterfield CC: "STeve Andre'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: black matrix TFT screens? References: <3.0.6.32.19991027142248.00adda00@pilot.msu.edu> <38175080.BD3F011F@basterfield.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Daniel.. HPA is better and really quite good in comparison to DSTN but for the price differential now, most lean toward TFT.. Daniel Basterfield wrote: > STeve Andre' wrote: > > > **SNIP** > > > Can anyone compare TFT and DSTN to HPA for me? High-performance DSTN, > isn't it? Sounds dodgy. > > Dan. > > -- > Daniel Basterfield "He who dies with the most toys wins" > OS/2 Certified Engineer > Microsoft Certified Professional > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > IBM PC110 web page: http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/pc110idx.htm -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Oct 28 11:13:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12857 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:13:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20255; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:06:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20080; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20032; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:06:11 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-354.gate.net [199.227.131.163]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA50950; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:05:37 -0400 Message-ID: <3818665C.82FFD327@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:06:04 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Basterfield CC: Adam Quantrill , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Big drives in a 755C References: <38174262.77DCC8B3@basterfield.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Daniel.. make that 15mm --> 17mm for the old standard IBM notebook drives.. the 14 and the new 25gig drives are this thickness.. AND "He who dies with the most toys wins" i disagree.. should be "He who LIVES with the most toys wins" and to be honest, from my personal perspective forget the toys and enjoy what blessing life has given you.. :-) (BTW, i am NOT 'disrespecting' your sig line) but we're getting philosophical here and that is WAY off topic.. Daniel Basterfield wrote: > Adam Quantrill wrote: > > > > 1) Has anyone out there used > 540MB in the thinkpad 755C? I can't see why it won't work as I have a 2GB IDE disk in my docking station, and that works OK. Is there a BIOS limit, and if so is it going to be on capacity or cylinders? > > The 810MB (790-ish formatted) was a standard option on 755s. I use one > on my 750. We used to use OEM 1GB+ drives on our 755's at work. I don't > believe there were any problems regarding BIOS limitations. Check you're > on the latest BIOS. > > > > > 2) Is the Travelstar going to fit directly into my 755C caddies as a swap for a 540MB disk and work electrically with the adaptor cable? > > > > Provided it's a standard 15mm high 2.5" IDE drive, I see no reason why > it should not. The caddies don't look like they would take a 17mm high > drive, but I could be wrong. > > Dan. > > -- > Daniel Basterfield "He who dies with the most toys wins" > OS/2 Certified Engineer > Microsoft Certified Professional > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > IBM PC110 web page: http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/pc110idx.htm -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Oct 28 11:19:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12882 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:19:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21654; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:17:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21407; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21362; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:17:31 -0400 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [194.216.44.43]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13155; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:20:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [194.216.44.36]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29090; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:17:24 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:17:21 +0000 To: Daniel Basterfield , Bill Morrow Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re[2]: Big drives in a 755C MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA12883 Well it looks like the 12mm travelstar drives will fit the bill, and 4 gigs will probably work. This will be a boon as I can then fit all my OS's (including Linux 4, 5 and 6) onto the one drive instead of having to swap about. Also, the digital camera seems to blow away 100 megs per holiday without really trying. Last holiday I had to start pkzipping the programs I wasn't going to use till I came back.... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Big drives in a 755C Author: MIME:Bill Morrow at INTERNET Date: 10/28/99 4:08 PM Daniel.. make that 15mm --> 17mm for the old standard IBM notebook drives.. the 14 and the new 25gig drives are this thickness.. AND "He who dies with the most toys wins" i disagree.. should be "He who LIVES with the most toys wins" and to be honest, from my personal perspective forget the toys and enjoy what blessing life has given you.. :-) (BTW, i am NOT 'disrespecting' your sig line) but we're getting philosophical here and that is WAY off topic.. Daniel Basterfield wrote: > Adam Quantrill wrote: > > > > 1) Has anyone out there used > 540MB in the thinkpad 755C? I can't see why it won't work as I have a 2GB IDE disk in my docking station, and that works OK. Is there a BIOS limit, and if so is it going to be on capacity or cylinders? > > The 810MB (790-ish formatted) was a standard option on 755s. I use one > on my 750. We used to use OEM 1GB+ drives on our 755's at work. I don't > believe there were any problems regarding BIOS limitations. Check you're > on the latest BIOS. > > > > > 2) Is the Travelstar going to fit directly into my 755C caddies as a swap for a 540MB disk and work electrically with the adaptor cable? > > > > Provided it's a standard 15mm high 2.5" IDE drive, I see no reason why > it should not. The caddies don't look like they would take a 17mm high > drive, but I could be wrong. > > Dan. > > -- > Daniel Basterfield "He who dies with the most toys wins" > OS/2 Certified Engineer > Microsoft Certified Professional > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > IBM PC110 web page: http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/pc110idx.htm -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Thu Oct 28 11:23:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12909 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:23:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22346; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:18:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21607; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21479; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osage.gate.net (198.206.134.25 -> osage.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:18:17 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-354.gate.net [199.227.131.163]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA111968; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:17:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3818690D.DB357DC9@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:17:33 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: 770 RIP? References: <199910271615.MAA21708@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Andrew.. i TOTALLY AGREE with you.. 100% but i have been inside some of these displays and the current 600 display is really packed full.. and pushing the current envelope... maybe in a few months..??!! :-) the 600 with the hires 770z display, the 500mhz cpu and the 18gig drive would be a KILLER machine.. Andrew Webber wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 1999 02:34:28 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: > > >I concur. I want the 13.7" SXGA TFT, and the ability to > >use the largest capacity HDs in a form factor that is > >right between the 600 and 770 series (preferably 600, > >but, well, that's not gonna happen, er, right? ). > > But really, we're only talking, what, 0.4" bigger diagonally? The > current bezel might be the absolute minimum, but it would only be > about 3/8" bigger each way. Square off the angled part of the > bezel and you might be half-way there. > > Although I'd like 17mm drives, if they could pack a 13.7" screen > onto a 600 body (maybe slightly bigger, but less than 1/2") with > 12.7mm drives, I'd buy it in a minute! > > And I _still_ think they should find a way to boost the external > display to at least 1280x1024, or higher, if they can't give us a > bigger internal display! > > andrew > ------ > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Thu Oct 28 11:49:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA13127 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:49:01 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24759; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:46:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24474; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24458; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:46:21 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2iveb3p.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.44.121]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09379 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:46:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: Subject: RE: Using Partition Magic 4.0 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:47:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0.b746b6fd.25498d84@aol.com> List-Unsubscribe: John, I have made a partial effort at doing this. It's tricky. If I understand the process correctly, you need to use Partition Magic's "Magic Mover" utility to move any applications from one partition to another. That's assuming of course that you have apps on your second partition. I do. I have moved most of my apps, but some of the larger ones are complicated to move. MS Office, for one, is in fact several interrelated apps and you must move them each individually. I have not tried this yet. I also have one semi-DOS app that I use quite a lot. It could not be moved successfully and I will have to completely reinstall it. Cannot speak on the CD-ROM recognition issue. Quite a few apps look to the original CD-ROM drive letter for reinstalls, etc., (MS Office is one) and if the drive letter changes then Windows gets all confused. There are probably ways to change the Registry or whatever to accommodate this, but I'm not sure what they are. Others here will no doubt know how to make this accommodation. Good luck, and let us know what you do and how you do it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: JEShoemaker@aol.com [mailto:JEShoemaker@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 7:29 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: bill@thinkpads.com Subject: Using Partition Magic 4.0 I recently coverted my 770X 8.1GB HDD to FAT 32 using Windows 98's Fat convertor utility. When I asked about this, Bill Morrow and others suggested also using Partition Magic 4.0 to change the 2 partitions to just one 8.1GB partition. Well, Partition Magic 4.0 just arrived and I was wondering if there is anything that I should be aware of before installing it ... or is the process fairly straight forward and user friendly? The accompanying documentation mentions the possible loss of CD-ROM recognition after repartitioning. Anyone experienced problems that I can learn from before I start? TIA ... John From cph Thu Oct 28 12:14:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA13464 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:14:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27239; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:12:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27074; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.panix.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27048; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:12:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail1.panix.com (166.84.0.212 -> mail1.panix.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:12:26 -0400 Received: from mailhost.panix.com (broccole.dialup.access.net [166.84.249.114]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AF4B830FD1 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:11:55 -0400 (EDT) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:56:17 Subject: stuck trackpoint Message-Id: <19991028161155.AF4B830FD1@mail1.panix.com> List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I have an opportunity to pick up a 560e at a very attractive price. The only problem with the unit is that the trackpoint goes only north-south. The person with the unit swears the trackpoint was working fine just last week, and if this were a mouse I'd conclude it simply needed to be cleaned. Is this a little or a big problem?. I'm not shy about popping open the case if this thing just needs to be cleaned. The unit is not under warranty, so if I have to take it someplace any guesses on cost to repair/replace? TIA, Michael Cole Michael Cole broccole@panix.com From cph Thu Oct 28 13:13:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA13868 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:13:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02840; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:05:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02584; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02554; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (192.160.13.1 -> bolero.rahul.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:04:50 -0400 Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net) by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA22917 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:04:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 22904 invoked from network); 28 Oct 1999 17:04:43 -0000 Received: from mg136-195.ricochet.net (HELO NEWPAD) (204.179.136.195) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 28 Oct 1999 17:04:43 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Andrew Webber" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: 770 RIP? Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:04:40 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <199910271615.MAA21708@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > >I concur. I want the 13.7" SXGA TFT, and the ability to > >use the largest capacity HDs in a form factor that is > >right between the 600 and 770 series (preferably 600, > >but, well, that's not gonna happen, er, right? ). > > But really, we're only talking, what, 0.4" bigger diagonally? The > current bezel might be the absolute minimum, but it would only be > about 3/8" bigger each way. Square off the angled part of the > bezel and you might be half-way there. It's a bit worse than that, but only in one direction. The 13.7" 1280x1024 SXGA does not have the same 4:3 aspect ratio as the 13.3" 1024x768 XGA. With an aspect ratio of 5:4, it's closer to a square shape--taller by comparison. The width and height for each display work out (assuming the 13.3" and and 13.7" are exact sizes) to: 13.3" XGA: width=10.64", height=7.98" 13.7" SXGA: width=10.70", height=8.56" So the 13.7" a little over a half inch taller, and almost exactly the same width. Hmm... I think I could live with a 600 that was a half inch taller... -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Thu Oct 28 13:20:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA13924 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:20:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04279; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:17:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03862; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03843; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (128.95.79.74 -> brimstone.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:17:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (kress@localhost) by brimstone.geology.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01394; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:17:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: brimstone.geology.washington.edu: kress owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:17:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Victor Kress X-Sender: kress@brimstone.geology.washington.edu To: Bill Morrow cc: Daniel Basterfield , "STeve Andre'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: black matrix TFT screens? In-Reply-To: <38186493.551FD5E3@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I have a 600 with the HPA. About a year ago, you saved about $800 over the roughly equivalent machine with TFT (which I used for more memory and disk space). TFT has about twice the contrast and refresh rate. For movies or anyting like that, don't even think of HPA. For regular text in normally lit rooms HPA is fine. MUCH better than traditional dual scan. You also get about 30% improvement in battery life over TFT. My 600 runs about 4 hours on a battery, giving me 8 hours of autonomy with my second battery. The relative subjective weighting of contrast and refresh rate vs. cost and battery life will decide which is best for you. Most people choose TFT. > > STeve Andre' wrote: > > **SNIP** > > > > > > > Can anyone compare TFT and DSTN to HPA for me? High-performance DSTN, > > isn't it? Sounds dodgy. > > > > Dan. > > ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph Thu Oct 28 13:46:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA14075 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:46:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06399; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:40:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06196; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06134; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:39:42 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23015; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <38188A5B.1C200DA9@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:39:39 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Armstrong CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Using Partition Magic 4.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If your CD-ROM used to be E:, but after Partition Magic becomes D:, you can fix this with regedit if you are not faint of heart. I have done this many times. Basically, replace all references to E:\ with D:\. I have long since started relabelling my CD-ROM to Z: when I first install Windows. That way it will never change, no matter what I do to my partitions. --Lee From cph Thu Oct 28 14:22:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA14330 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:22:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10015; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:19:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08237; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08026; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (24.2.10.66 -> ha1.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:00:56 -0400 Received: from cr1001950a ([24.113.42.185]) by mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <19991028180038.QAVT23098.mail.rdc1.bc.home.com@cr1001950a> for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:00:38 -0700 From: "Paul Sun" To: Subject: Thinkpad 390E DOS modem driver Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:04:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bf216e$ea3982e0$b92a7118@rchmd1.bc.wave.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone been successful in getting the DOS modem driver for the Thinkpad 390E to work successfully. Using the driver, I am only able to get a modem connection that lasts only around a minute before the connection is terminated or my communication software locks up. From cph Thu Oct 28 14:29:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA14401 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:29:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10524; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:22:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10234; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10027; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.128.51 -> smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:21:45 -0400 Received: from pool-209-138-143-185-atln.grid.net (pool-209-138-143-185-atln.grid.net [209.138.143.185]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA00172 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:21:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Cathey To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Subscribe Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:26:26 -0400 Reply-To: RickCathey@Mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA14402 Subscribe From cph Thu Oct 28 14:43:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA14498 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:43:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13012; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:39:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12488; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12443; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.140 -> ds-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:38:45 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) id OAA13572 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) with SMTP id OAA13547 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910281838.OAA13547@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:39:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Using Partition Magic 4.0 List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:47:43 -0400, William Armstrong wrote: >I have made a partial effort at doing this. It's tricky. If I understand >the process correctly, you need to use Partition Magic's "Magic Mover" >utility to move any applications from one partition to another. That's >assuming of course that you have apps on your second partition. I do. I >have moved most of my apps, but some of the larger ones are complicated to >move. MS Office, for one, is in fact several interrelated apps and you must >move them each individually. I have not tried this yet. I also have one >semi-DOS app that I use quite a lot. It could not be moved successfully and >I will have to completely reinstall it. I took the coward's way out when I went from 4Gb to 6Gb: kept C: and D: partitions. I was worried about moving the apps, then worried whether apps like Corel Ventura would have trouble with data on C: instead of D. andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Thu Oct 28 14:44:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA14507 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:44:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12424; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:37:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12235; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12220; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.140 -> ds-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:37:28 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) id OAA12975 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) with SMTP id OAA12862 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910281837.OAA12862@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "Thinkpad List" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:36:38 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: 770 RIP? List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:04:40 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: >> >I concur. I want the 13.7" SXGA TFT, and the >> >ability to use the largest capacity HDs in a >> >form factor that is right between the 600 and >> >770 series (preferably 600, but, well, that's >> >not gonna happen, er, right? ). >> >> But really, we're only talking, what, 0.4" >> bigger diagonally? The current bezel might be >> the absolute minimum, but it would only be >> about 3/8" bigger each way. Square off the >> angled part of the bezel and you might be >> half-way there. > >It's a bit worse than that, but only in one >direction. The 13.7" 1280x1024 SXGA does not >have the same 4:3 aspect ratio as the 13.3" >1024x768 XGA. With an aspect ratio of 5:4, >it's closer to a square shape--taller by >comparison. > >The width and height for each display work >out (assuming the 13.3" and and 13.7" are >exact sizes) to: > >13.3" XGA: width=10.64", height=7.98" >13.7" SXGA: width=10.70", height=8.56" > >So the 13.7" a little over a half inch taller, >and almost exactly the same width. > >Hmm... I think I could live with a 600 that >was a half inch taller... Live with it? I'd sleep with it under my pillow! :) Seriously, thanks for the clarification of the differences. And while I'd be thrilled with the new screen, I can see that it would lose something in appearance. The 600 really has "perfect" proportions -- when I look at the some of the i series, and some other brands (e.g. Dell's 7000 with the cover that's bigger than the base), they look so ungainly. Could they pack SXGA into 13.3? Obviously with the same width but slight shorter, based on the aspect ratios you described. Not that it will happen anyway, they need to protect the 770 series. :( andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Thu Oct 28 15:07:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14721 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:07:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14972; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:59:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14590; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14557; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:59:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.5 -> imo15.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:59:27 -0400 Received: from JEShoemaker@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id wJSMa26723 (3943); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.4c48f8f6.2549f6e1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:58:41 EDT Subject: Re: Using Partition Magic 4.0 To: warmstrong@waldinc.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 List-Unsubscribe: In a message dated 28/10/99 11:52:53 Eastern Daylight Time, warmstrong@waldinc.com writes: > Subj: RE: Using Partition Magic 4.0 > Date: 28/10/99 11:52:53 Eastern Daylight Time > From: warmstrong@waldinc.com (William Armstrong) > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > John, > > I have made a partial effort at doing this. It's tricky. If I understand > the process correctly, you need to use Partition Magic's "Magic Mover" > utility to move any applications from one partition to another. That's > assuming of course that you have apps on your second partition. I do. I > have moved most of my apps, but some of the larger ones are complicated to > move. MS Office, for one, is in fact several interrelated apps and you must > move them each individually. I have not tried this yet. I also have one > semi-DOS app that I use quite a lot. It could not be moved successfully and > I will have to completely reinstall it. > > Cannot speak on the CD-ROM recognition issue. Quite a few apps look to the > original CD-ROM drive letter for reinstalls, etc., (MS Office is one) and if > the drive letter changes then Windows gets all confused. There are probably > ways to change the Registry or whatever to accommodate this, but I'm not > sure what they are. Others here will no doubt know how to make this > accommodation. > > Good luck, and let us know what you do and how you do it. > > Bill Thanks Bill! It was an easy install and, upon Lee's advice, I downloaded and upgraded to 4.1 before using Partition Magic. All went well ;) I just finished using the wizard to Redistribute the Free Space. This gives me: C = 4.3GB D = 3.3GB It also doesn't change any drive designations. My primary concern was to increase C Drive to make room for a larger fixed swap file to accommodate 192MB RAM. Thanks again ... John PS I really appreciate all the advice and offers for help in and out of the Mailing List! From cph Thu Oct 28 15:10:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14741 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:10:01 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15540; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:02:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15123; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15024; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.prserv.net (165.87.194.239 -> out4.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:02:28 -0400 Received: from basterfield.com (slip139-92-190-140.wak.uk.ibm.net [139.92.190.140]) by out4.prserv.net (/) with ESMTP id TAA116034; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:02:07 GMT Message-ID: <38189D8A.D133B132@basterfield.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:01:30 +0100 From: Daniel Basterfield Organization: My middle name! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: Adam Quantrill , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Big drives in a 755C References: <38174262.77DCC8B3@basterfield.com> <3818665C.82FFD327@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow wrote: > > Daniel.. > make that 15mm --> 17mm for the old standard IBM notebook drives.. > the 14 and the new 25gig drives are this thickness.. > Yup - I checked one at work today that I had open - the cradle will take 17mm drives. Dan. -- Daniel Basterfield "He who dies with the most toys wins" OS/2 Certified Engineer Microsoft Certified Professional ----------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM PC110 web page: http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/pc110idx.htm From cph Thu Oct 28 17:35:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA00717 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:35:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23199; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:28:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22708; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eclipse.pacifier.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22622; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eclipse.pacifier.com (199.2.117.78 -> eclipse.pacifier.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:27:02 -0400 Received: from pacifier.com (macbill@pacifier.com [199.2.117.161]) by eclipse.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.3pop) with SMTP id NAA28761 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:26:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill MacKay To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: subscribe From cph Thu Oct 28 19:57:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA01776 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:57:26 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09580; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:56:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09427; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09414; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (216.231.41.3 -> grace.speakeasy.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:56:12 -0400 Received: from 770z (bay1-95.chicago.ziplink.net [209.206.41.95]) by grace.speakeasy.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA26956; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:56:03 -0700 From: "Richard Chalk" To: "Andrew Webber" , Subject: RE: Using Partition Magic 4.0 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:55:55 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199910281838.OAA13547@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> List-Unsubscribe: There's an additional advantage! If you put all your data on D, then you can reformat and reinstall if you need to, and not lose the data files. Richard I took the coward's way out when I went from 4Gb to 6Gb: kept C: and D: partitions. I was worried about moving the apps, then worried whether apps like Corel Ventura would have trouble with data on C: instead of D. andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Thu Oct 28 22:45:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA02790 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:45:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16599; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:41:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16395; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ra.MsState.Edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16378; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ra.MsState.Edu (130.18.80.10 -> Ra.MsState.Edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:41:35 -0400 Received: from TP560E (Dialup1.ERC.MsState.Edu [130.18.13.31]); by Ra.MsState.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/MsState-Ra/evision: 1.15 $) with SMTP; id VAA04103 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:41:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00ab01bf21b6$d8deae60$7d9589d0@TP560E> From: "See-Kit Lam" To: Subject: tp560e: strange sound Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:39:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A8_01BF218C.EED15EE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01BF218C.EED15EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi all...... my tp560e makes strange sound randomly..... at least = twice a day. it's like high pich 'squeeky' sound which lasts about 3 = seconds. i suspect the wire connection to the speaker is touching = something else. it has been behaving like this since the 1st day i got = it.... but didnt' any action. i'm thinking of reinstalling the os to see any difference. any = suggestion?=20 thanks in advance. seekit ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01BF218C.EED15EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    hi all...... my tp560e makes = strange sound=20 randomly..... at least twice a day. it's like high pich 'squeeky' sound = which=20 lasts about 3 seconds. i suspect the wire connection to the speaker is = touching=20 something else. it has been behaving like this since the 1st day i got = it....=20 but didnt' any action.
 
    i'm thinking of reinstalling the = os to see=20 any difference. any suggestion?
 
    thanks in advance.
 
seekit
------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01BF218C.EED15EE0-- From cph Thu Oct 28 22:59:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA02889 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:59:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17652; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:57:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17506; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17488; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:57:09 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial9.auto-net.com [208.154.252.58]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA59029 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:54:05 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <38190C57.717AB771@iso.net> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:54:16 -0500 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 730T Info please Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone on here have anything to say about the 730T? I am getting one and would appreciate anything at all. Thanks, Bill From cph Thu Oct 28 23:41:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA03055 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:41:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19859; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:39:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19674; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zebra.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19661; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zebra.net (209.12.13.2 -> mail.zebra.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:39:50 -0400 Received: from PROXIM ([209.12.153.142]) by mail.zebra.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id net for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:46:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01bf219f$b3218ba0$0a0a0a0a@PROXIM> From: bwjones@zebra.net (Bryan Jones) To: Subject: Introduction & Hi Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:53:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Just dropping a note to say Hi! I just joined the list. I'm using a thinkpad 560z with a 266PII, 96MB RAM, 4GB hard drive, 12.1 TFT display. I use it with a Proxim Symphony wireless network card for access to a shared modem at home, and also access to a wired network at work, via an ethernet bridge. It works great! Here's a question: Does anyone know where I can get a hard drive caddy for this machine? I would like to have 2, so I can upgrade the hard drive, but swap out to the old hard drive when I want to. BTW: I am also getting a 730T tablet soon. Anyone have any experience with these? Thanks! Bryan Jones From cph Fri Oct 29 06:08:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA04646 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 06:08:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14367; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 06:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 06:06:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14280; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 06:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DEDTM-N-C02.edm.de (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14263; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 06:06:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from DEDTM-N-C02.edm.de (193.98.186.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 06:06:48 -0400 Received: by DEDTM-N-C02.edm.de(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id C1256819.003841AD ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:14:28 +0200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: EDMNOTES@EDM-EXTERN To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:08:49 +0100 Subject: [770ED] - DVD Video-out NTSC only ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Hi there, is there any chance to change the DVD/MPEG-Decoder Video-Output signal from NTSC to PAL ? Following symptoms (WIN98): - Enabling TV-Out via Thinkpad-Config, setting to PAL-Output - connecting Thinkpad Enhanced Video Adapter via Dongle and S-VHS-Cable to AV-Port on TV - Windows Desktop is displayed on TV in color ! - starting Soft-DVD and switching to MPEG-Mode, starting DVD-Demo, output is black/white on TV, color on Thinkpad ?! (same for playing a DVD-Movie) My TV seems to be unable to switch to NTSC mode on AV Ports, so I have to switch the Thinkpad-DVD signal from NTSC to PAL. any suggestions ? cu Peter From cph Fri Oct 29 11:15:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA06511 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:15:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02591; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:13:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02351; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb.iu.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02326; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb.iu.net (198.69.25.2) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:13:13 -0400 Received: from gpelchat ([204.215.230.209]) by bb.iu.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA00998; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101bf221f$a6e1a700$d1e6d7cc@gpelchat> From: "Guy Pelchat" To: , Cc: References: <0.b746b6fd.25498d84@aol.com> Subject: Re: Using Partition Magic 4.0 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:09:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 7:29 AM Subject: Using Partition Magic 4.0 > I recently coverted my 770X 8.1GB HDD to FAT 32 > using Windows 98's Fat convertor utility. When I asked > about this, Bill Morrow and others suggested also using > Partition Magic 4.0 to change the 2 partitions to just one > 8.1GB partition. What are the advantages of one large partition over two smaller ones? Guy From cph Fri Oct 29 11:21:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA06574 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:21:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03335; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:19:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03135; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03070; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (198.206.134.30 -> pima.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:19:12 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-299.gate.net [199.227.131.108]) by pima.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA354798; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:13:46 -0400 Message-ID: <3819BAF8.C5508540@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:19:21 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: broccole@panix.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: stuck trackpoint References: <19991028161155.AF4B830FD1@mail1.panix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: small problem.. max cost for a new keyboard would be about $60.. if its a nice 560 and YOU don't want it, i would be interested in it for stock at the new web site.. :-) broccole@panix.com wrote: > Hi, > > I have an opportunity to pick up a 560e at a very attractive price. The only > problem with the unit is that the trackpoint goes only north-south. > > The person with the unit swears the trackpoint was working fine just last > week, and if this were a mouse I'd conclude it simply needed to be cleaned. > > Is this a little or a big problem?. I'm not shy about popping > open the case if this thing just needs to be cleaned. > > The unit is not under > warranty, so if I have to take it someplace any guesses on cost to > repair/replace? > > TIA, > > Michael Cole > > Michael Cole > broccole@panix.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Fri Oct 29 11:25:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA06598 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:25:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04100; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:23:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03957; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03933; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (198.206.134.30 -> pima.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:23:32 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-299.gate.net [199.227.131.108]) by pima.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA330964; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:17:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3819BBCB.2200CBDA@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:22:51 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Basterfield CC: Adam Quantrill , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Big drives in a 755C References: <38174262.77DCC8B3@basterfield.com> <3818665C.82FFD327@icanect.net> <38189D8A.D133B132@basterfield.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: AND, actually, a 755 series will take a 19mm drive (old toshiba drives were this thick) but surgery is required on the HDD shell (caddy).. :-) Daniel Basterfield wrote: > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Daniel.. > > make that 15mm --> 17mm for the old standard IBM notebook drives.. > > the 14 and the new 25gig drives are this thickness.. > > > > Yup - I checked one at work today that I had open - the cradle will take > 17mm drives. > > Dan. > > -- > Daniel Basterfield "He who dies with the most toys wins" > OS/2 Certified Engineer > Microsoft Certified Professional > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > IBM PC110 web page: http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/pc110idx.htm -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Fri Oct 29 11:30:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA06630 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:30:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05181; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:27:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04542; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04399; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pima.gate.net (198.206.134.30 -> pima.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:26:11 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-299.gate.net [199.227.131.108]) by pima.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA225070; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:20:35 -0400 Message-ID: <3819BC92.BFEE899A@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:26:10 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Guy Pelchat CC: JEShoemaker@aol.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, bill@thinkpads.com Subject: Re: Using Partition Magic 4.0 References: <0.b746b6fd.25498d84@aol.com> <001101bf221f$a6e1a700$d1e6d7cc@gpelchat> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the main advantage is the drive letters don't change when you add a 2nd HDD (that is a bootable drive, as most are) to the ultrabay.. Guy Pelchat wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 7:29 AM > Subject: Using Partition Magic 4.0 > > > I recently coverted my 770X 8.1GB HDD to FAT 32 > > using Windows 98's Fat convertor utility. When I asked > > about this, Bill Morrow and others suggested also using > > Partition Magic 4.0 to change the 2 partitions to just one > > 8.1GB partition. > > What are the advantages of one large partition over two smaller ones? > > Guy -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com, new site coming: http://www.roadwarriortrading.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop, Webmaster http://www.roadwarriortrading.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net use the delete key to avoid unwanted flames, any mis-spellings are the fault of the spell checker, poor typing skills or i just don't care.. :-) From cph Fri Oct 29 11:43:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA06716 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:43:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06198; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:36:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06013; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06003; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:36:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.70 -> imo26.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:36:46 -0400 Received: from JEShoemaker@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id oLPa026506 (3937); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0.ca8073f8.254b18e7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:36:07 EDT Subject: Re: Using Partition Magic 4.0 To: gpelchat@iu.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 List-Unsubscribe: In a message dated 29/10/99 11:27:27 Eastern Daylight Time, gpelchat@iu.net writes: > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 7:29 AM > Subject: Using Partition Magic 4.0 > > > > I recently coverted my 770X 8.1GB HDD to FAT 32 > > using Windows 98's Fat convertor utility. When I asked > > about this, Bill Morrow and others suggested also using > > Partition Magic 4.0 to change the 2 partitions to just one > > 8.1GB partition. > > > What are the advantages of one large partition over two smaller ones? Guy, There seems to be two schools of thought on this subject. But, I'm not knowledgeable enough to comment on the matter. I hope Bill Morrow and others will answer your specific question. I chose to stay with 2 drive. Partition Magic "Redistributed the Free Space" to make C=4.4GB and D=3.3GB. This accomplished what I wanted since I was just making more room for a larger fixed swap file (192MB RAM). Regards ... John From cph Fri Oct 29 12:52:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07456 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:52:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12912; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:50:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12685; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12668; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (209.185.241.176 -> f176.law3.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:50:29 -0400 Received: (qmail 96208 invoked by uid 0); 29 Oct 1999 16:50:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19991029165028.96207.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.161.227.109 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:50:27 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.161.227.109] From: "Nasty Canasta" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:50:27 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Fri Oct 29 13:19:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07766 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:19:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15789; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:16:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15604; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15581; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.42 -> mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:16:23 -0400 Received: from 184.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.149.184]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991029171621.BKPV1553@184.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:16:21 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 not waking properly? Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:16:15 GMT Message-ID: <381cdb96.48539579@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA07767 I recently sold my IBM 701C and I'm cleaning up for shipment to the buyer. I've noticed that the system isn't waking up from suspend - it just reboots the system. It's been a while since I used a 701 seriously, so I can't recall if this was common - seems like it was. Is there a fix for this (it's got the latest BIOS, by the way). epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 eFax phone # - 801-328-3789 From cph Fri Oct 29 13:37:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07951 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:37:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18534; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:35:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18299; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18226; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:34:58 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA02435; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:34:36 -0700 Message-ID: <01fd01bf2235$2e8a7460$03785a8e@pmachule> From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: , References: <38190C57.717AB771@iso.net> Subject: Re: Thinkpad 730T Info please Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:43:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: http://www.ideasign.com/bobz/tp730T.htm http://www.ibm.com/search/?v=9&q=2524&x=9&y=9 http://xcom.stores.yahoo.com/xcom/thin73pencom.html ...peter.. ----- Original Message ----- From: William Van Tuyl To: Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 7:54 PM Subject: Thinkpad 730T Info please > Anyone on here have anything to say about the 730T? I am > getting one and would appreciate anything at all. > > Thanks, Bill > From cph Fri Oct 29 14:17:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08278 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:17:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22015; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:15:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21804; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaaf.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21791; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaaf.compuserve.com (149.174.206.139 -> ds-img-6.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:14:56 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaaf.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id OAA16645 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:14:33 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: 755 Pentium model upgrade Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <199910291414_MC2-8AEE-A9E7@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA08284 There is a service that http://www.portables.com/ are offering whereby they overclock the 755 P75 model for $99. Has anyone any experience of this or done similar? Thanks From cph Fri Oct 29 15:00:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA08636 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:00:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26133; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:58:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25823; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.infoave.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25767; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.infoave.net (165.166.0.26 -> smtp01.infoave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:58:11 -0400 Received: from dial-9.r05.ncelrb.infoave.net ("port 1029"@[206.74.61.209]) by SMTP00.InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-12 #23426) with SMTP id <01JHPKVBZB8S8WXTTS@SMTP00.InfoAve.Net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:37:04 EDT Received: by dial-9.r05.ncelrb.infoave.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BF221A.F8A7BDE0@dial-9.r05.ncelrb.infoave.net>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:36:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:34:44 -0400 From: Stan Jacobs Subject: RE: 755 Pentium model upgrade To: "'Mark Gardiner'" <100550.3170@compuserve.com>, thinkpad Message-id: <01BF221A.F8A7BDE0@dial-9.r05.ncelrb.infoave.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA08637 Hi: I am sort of new to the list but have been reading for a while. I bought a TP750 with a monochrome screen a few months ago. It came with a 170 meg hard drive. I later updated it to a 540 mb drive with no problems. I recently purchased a 810 meg hard drive. The 750 won't see the drive. Not only it won't see the drive, it gives me an error 174. I don't know what this means. It won't let me run the test utilities or boot from a floppy. I went in with another drive and set it to boot from the floppy first and then the hard drive second. It still won't do that with the 810 drive. It does it with the 540 and the 170 drives. I need to know what the error message means and where to start to get this drive to work. I have been assured by the person who sold me the drive that there was nothing wrong with the drive. any help will be appreciated. Stan Jacobs sjacobs@infoave.net From cph Fri Oct 29 15:13:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA08730 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:13:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27607; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:09:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27466; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zebra.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27451; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zebra.net (209.12.13.2 -> mail.zebra.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:09:23 -0400 Received: from PROXIM ([209.12.153.180]) by mail.zebra.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id net for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:03:17 -0500 Message-ID: <001701bf2230$8760b5e0$0a0a0a0a@PROXIM> From: bwjones@zebra.net (Bryan Jones) To: Subject: Re: Proxim Card Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:10:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I like the Proxim Symphony card alot. It is based on Proxim's RangeLan products. In fact, you can use a RangeLan PC card with the Symphony system. The way I use it: at home I have a desktop system with an ISA Symphony card and an external modem. My 560Z has the Symphony PC card, and it comes with software to let me use the desktop modem from the laptop. The speed of the wireless connection is about 2MBs, so there is no sluggishness at all, and the range is excellent. I live in a large, old house, about 3000 square feet, and I don't have any drop outs anywhere. At work I have the Symphony ethernet bridge, which lets me log on to that network without having to plug in. Proxim claims that this will not work in all of the documentation, but I made it work with no problem. If you or anyone wants to go that route, let me know and I'll tell you how. The savings over a RangeLan system is $1000's. Bryan Jones -----Original Message----- From: Steven Davis To: Bryan Jones Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 12:07 AM Subject: Re: Introduction & Hi >How do you like the Proxim card? I'm looking for a similar solution at >home. > >Thanks, > >Steven > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bryan Jones >To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >Date: Thursday, October 28, 1999 10:40 PM >Subject: Introduction & Hi > > >>Just dropping a note to say Hi! I just joined the list. I'm using a >thinkpad >>560z with a 266PII, 96MB RAM, 4GB hard drive, 12.1 TFT display. I use it >>with a Proxim Symphony wireless network card for access to a shared modem >at >>home, and also access to a wired network at work, via an ethernet bridge. >It >>works great! Here's a question: Does anyone know where I can get a hard >>drive caddy for this machine? I would like to have 2, so I can upgrade the >>hard drive, but swap out to the old hard drive when I want to. BTW: I am >>also getting a 730T tablet soon. Anyone have any experience with these? >> >>Thanks! >> >>Bryan Jones >> > > From cph Fri Oct 29 17:30:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA09835 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:30:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09296; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:28:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09070; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09054; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (165.87.194.252 -> out1.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:28:41 -0400 Received: from basterfield.com ([139.92.195.240]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <1999102921283325203ep2pje>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:28:34 +0000 Message-ID: <381A1166.DCAE5F5A@basterfield.com> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:28:06 +0100 From: Daniel Basterfield Organization: My middle name! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stan Jacobs CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: 755 Pentium model upgrade References: <01BF221A.F8A7BDE0@dial-9.r05.ncelrb.infoave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Make sure you have the latest BIOS on the TP - early 750's couldn't see the 810MB drives without this. Dan. -- Daniel Basterfield "He who dies with the most toys wins" OS/2 Certified Engineer Microsoft Certified Professional ----------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM PC110 web page: http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/pc110idx.htm From cph Fri Oct 29 20:29:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA11289 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:29:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17817; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:28:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17676; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17663; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:28:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:28:18 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc2a109.bf.sover.net [209.198.82.111]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA23619 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910300028.UAA23619@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc2a109.bf.sover.net [209.198.82.111] 209.198.82.111 Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:10:22 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Can anyone help this guy? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.69 b68 List-Unsubscribe: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The following message is forwarded to you by letoured@sover.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From: Kirill Lebedev >Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops >Subject: IBM Laptop L40SX >Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:31:21 +0400 >Organization: Russian Property Trust Bank >Lines: 10 >Sender: usenet@g23.relcom.ru >Message-ID: <3819BDC8.28E7630A@rptb.ru> >NNTP-Posting-Host: g23.relcom.ru >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Trace: WWW1.relcom.ru 941220262 24194 193.125.152.117 (29 Oct 1999 18:04:22 GMT) >X-Complaints-To: usenet@WWW1.relcom.ru >NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Oct 1999 18:04:22 GMT >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) >Xref: hub12.nn.bcandid.com comp.sys.laptops:141658 Hello All! Help me please to find reference disk for IBM Laptop L40SX. If You have it, write, please letter with attach to kirill@rptb.ru Thanx. With best reagrds, Kirill Lebedev, Moscow, Russia. ----------------------------------------------------- -- End of forwarded message ----------------------------------------------------- _____________ Ed Letourneau From cph Fri Oct 29 21:00:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11415 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:00:13 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19592; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:59:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19440; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19412; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.2 -> ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:59:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 5409 invoked by alias); 30 Oct 1999 00:58:56 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 5369 invoked by uid 0); 30 Oct 1999 00:58:55 -0000 Received: from dialupt65.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.66.65) by ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Oct 1999 00:58:55 -0000 Message-ID: <381A432A.338CDCD3@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:00:26 -0700 From: Patrick West X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: letoured@sover.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, kirill@rptb.ru Subject: Re: Can anyone help this guy? References: <199910300028.UAA23619@pike.sover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > Help me please to find reference disk for IBM Laptop L40SX. If You have > it, write, please letter with attach to kirill@rptb.ru http://app-01.www.ibm.com/support/support_doc/psg/s0010/body/63013.shtml ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/rfl40103.exe From cph Fri Oct 29 21:05:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11439 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:05:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20275; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:04:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20044; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20031; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:03:55 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id VAA20971 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id VAA20964 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910300103.VAA20964@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:59:27 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Using Partition Magic 4.0 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to everyone who posted encouragement on my decision to keep C: and D: separate. Funny thing is, I did it because I was concerned that applications I'd installed on D:, with data on C: and/or D: (back when I only had the one 4gig drive), wouldn't like having their data moved, not to mention the program files. What I didn't make clear, was I kept C: and D: both on the 6gig, and made the 4gig drive E: for extra data, mostly things like mp3s (since it's in the CD bay :) and other temporary files. I'm getting ready to replace the 4gig with my new 10gig. Originally I was going to reflect the same structure, but with bigger partitions (and room for Linux maybe). Now I'm wondering, maybe I should move D: to the new 10gig, and put it in the ultraslimbay. Leave the C: data on the existing 6gig drive, and either expand it to one big partition, putting the mp3s onto it as well (as C:). Do the benefits of having a 6gig as one big C: partition in the main slot, and 10 gig as D: in the second slot, give me anything? Is that D: always going to move if I create another bootable partition on either drive? I'm getting confused again. Thanks! andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Fri Oct 29 21:45:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11609 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:45:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22320; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:44:33 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22160; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:44:31 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id VAA00940 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:37:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Keith Moore Message-Id: <199910300137.VAA00940@astro.cs.utk.edu> To: undisclosed-recipients:; List-Unsubscribe: >From moore+bounces-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Oct 29 16:31:19 1999 Received: from pimout7-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05510; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-int.prodigy.net (207.115.59.180 -> pimout7-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:31:18 -0400 Received: from bill-fayssoux (OKCYB105-11.splitrock.net [209.156.143.162]) by pimout7-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA220966 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:31:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199910292031.QAA220966@pimout7-int.prodigy.net> From: "Bill Fayssoux" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:31:09 -0500 Reply-To: "Bill Fayssoux" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 560E HD Upgrade I am interested in upgrading the 2.1 GB drive in my Thinkpad 560E to an IBM DADA26480. My questions are, will this drive fit the carrier and will the most recent BIOS offer full support or will I have to use a utility to use the full 6.4MB ? thanks bill From cph Fri Oct 29 22:11:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA11710 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:11:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23510; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:09:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23305; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ffsba.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23291; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ffsba.com (205.217.194.2) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:09:43 -0400 Received: from JOETPW2K (x2haup56.asb.com [165.254.199.56]) by ffsba.com; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:12:31 -0400 From: Joseph Christie To: Cc: "ThinkPad List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Windows 2000 (RC2) questions Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:09:00 -0400 Reply-To: "Joseph Christie" Message-ID: References: <001101bf1b58$05150980$4208efd0@who.giganet.com> In-Reply-To: <001101bf1b58$05150980$4208efd0@who.giganet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Try http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?lang=en_US&doctype=Downloadable+files&subtype=All&page=brand&menu=subtype&brand=IBM+ThinkPad&family=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+760ED&machineType=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+760ED%7C9546&model=&subtype=Windows+2000+Beta and yes that is all one continuous url. On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:05:43 -0400, "Steve Meisner" wrote about "Windows 2000 (RC2) questions": > >Does anyone know how to fix the following when trying to run Windows 2000 >(Build 2182, RC2) on a TP 760ED: > >1. 32-bit PC Cards to be recognized. Currently Windows comes back with only >support for 16-bit cards is enabled. >2. Support for MWave : I can't get valid drivers for audio or the modem >3. Fuel gauge & TP utilities don't install / run > >I upgraded the BIOS to v2.12 released 9-7-99. > >Any 'inside' info would be appreciated!!! > >Thanks, >Steve > >-------------------------------------------- >Steve Meisner >Giganet, Inc. >2352 Main Street >Concord, MA 01742 > >978-461-0402 ext. 347 > ---------------------------------------- "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but the ones most responsive to change." Charles Darwin From cph Sat Oct 30 00:19:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA12318 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 00:19:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28734; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 00:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 30 Oct 1999 00:17:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28427; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 00:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.jps.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28368; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 00:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.jps.net (209.63.224.103 -> smtp6.jps.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Oct 1999 00:16:49 -0400 Received: from laptop (209-239-221-122.o1.jps.net [209.239.221.122]) by smtp6.jps.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA02313; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001001bf228d$a971bdc0$7addefd1@laptop> From: "Mel" To: "Emanuel Brown" , Subject: Re: 701 not waking properly? Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:16:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Just ship it. I can say that because I'm the purchaser. Emanuel - I've had that happen and after fooling around with the configuration utility, It works fine. I'll take care of it. Mel -----Original Message----- From: Emanuel Brown To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 10:18 AM Subject: 701 not waking properly? > I recently sold my IBM 701C and I'm cleaning up for shipment to the >buyer. I've noticed that the system isn't waking up from suspend - it >just reboots the system. It's been a while since I used a 701 >seriously, so I can't recall if this was common - seems like it was. >Is there a fix for this (it's got the latest BIOS, by the way). > epbrown >Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 >Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html >Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 >eFax phone # - 801-328-3789 > From cph Sat Oct 30 09:23:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA13698 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 09:23:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23005; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 09:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 30 Oct 1999 09:21:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22859; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 09:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22846; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 09:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (216.32.181.185 -> law2-f185.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Oct 1999 09:20:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 67938 invoked by uid 0); 30 Oct 1999 13:20:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19991030132054.67937.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.15.93.144 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 06:20:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.15.93.144] From: "Rat Boy" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: bios & batteries Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 06:20:54 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Every five three to five years I need to replace the battery on the motherboard that keeps the time and date (and bios?) running correctly on my old desktop. Now I have a new ThinkPad. Will I run into the same problem with that computer overtime? Jimmy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Sat Oct 30 16:10:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA14858 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:10:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06717; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:06:06 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05811; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:06:03 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id PAA18691 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 15:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05510; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-int.prodigy.net (207.115.59.180 -> pimout7-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:31:18 -0400 Received: from bill-fayssoux (OKCYB105-11.splitrock.net [209.156.143.162]) by pimout7-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA220966 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:31:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199910292031.QAA220966@pimout7-int.prodigy.net> From: "Bill Fayssoux" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:31:09 -0500 Reply-To: "Bill Fayssoux" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 560E HD Upgrade List-Unsubscribe: I am interested in upgrading the 2.1 GB drive in my Thinkpad 560E to an IBM DADA26480. My questions are, will this drive fit the carrier and will the most recent BIOS offer full support or will I have to use a utility to use the full 6.4MB ? thanks bill From cph Sat Oct 30 16:10:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA14866 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:10:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06715; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:05:46 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05769; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:05:44 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id PAA18675 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 15:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08600; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.42 -> mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:18:21 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.14.240]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991029211817.GDYI1553@compaq>; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:18:17 +0000 Message-ID: <381A391E.78F0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:17:35 -0700 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: 755 Pentium model upgrade References: <199910291414_MC2-8AEE-A9E7@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The problem with the 755C(D) is not the processor, it is the video. These machines run great with Win 3.11, but IBM and WD never wrote a W95 video driver, and the Microsoft video driver stinks. If you take a 755CD, and switch back and forth between 16 bit color and 256 color, the difference is amazing! I think this just does not pay! Mark Gardiner wrote: > > There is a service that http://www.portables.com/ are offering whereby > they overclock the 755 P75 model for $99. > > Has anyone any experience of this or done similar? > > Thanks From cph Sat Oct 30 16:25:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA14903 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:25:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07833; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:24:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07621; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07606; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (209.185.123.18 -> mc-qout4.whowhere.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:24:28 -0400 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by my-deja.com; Sat Oct 30 13:24:25 1999 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 12:24:25 -0800 From: " " Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: IBM Thinkpad 390 X-Sender-Ip: 195.197.160.43 Organization: My Deja Email (http://www.my-deja.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I am considering to buy this machine and I would like to hear your comments about it. Is the quality of it as high as the other (more expensive) thinkpads? And then another question, I recently saw an used Thinkpad P75 with 24mb RAM, 540mb HD, a small TFT screen but no sound or CD-ROM and was wondering what model it might have been? --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From cph Sat Oct 30 22:24:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA15881 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 22:24:07 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11980; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 22:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 30 Oct 1999 22:20:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11621; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 22:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24738; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 20:18:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Oct 1999 20:18:37 -0400 Received: from mail.theriver.com (206-25-49-209.ip.theriver.com [206.25.49.209]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A977625DA9; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 17:16:17 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 17:16:16 -0700 To: "Rat Boy" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <19991030132054.67937.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: bios & batteries X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 Message-Id: <19991031001617.A977625DA9@pantano.theriver.com> List-Unsubscribe: In <19991030132054.67937.qmail@hotmail.com>, on 10/30/99 at 06:20 AM, "Rat Boy" said: >Every five three to five years I need to replace the battery on the >motherboard that keeps the time and date (and bios?) running >correctly on my old desktop. Now I have a new ThinkPad. Will I run >into the same problem with that computer overtime? You should not run into that problem for about 10 years. On the 760ED, and on a 750C, IBM installed Lithium batteries plus a NiCad backup battery. James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From cph Sun Oct 31 21:00:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA29170 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:00:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02764; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:47:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02470; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02453; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:47:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:47:10 -0500 Received: from mmax20.vramp.net (mmax20.vramp.net [198.138.8.83]) by water.vramp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15686 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:10:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199910312310.SAA15686@water.vramp.net> From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:01:09 -0500 Subject: Li-Ion Batteries Reply-to: captjhem@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3812486F.92A51CB0@icanect.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) List-Unsubscribe: Oh great Thinkpad wizards (Bill, Jaren, Mark B.!!!). I have a conundrum. (No, it's not contagious!) I recently purchased some Li-Ion batteries (one used, one new still in sealed IBM box) for use in some of my Pentuim 755CDs. The problem is that the machines appear to be incapable of charging them. The batteries are allegedly usable in the Pentium 755s of the series. When the batteries are first put in, the charging light will come on for approx. 10 seconds and then extinguish. After that there will be an occasional flash >from the charging light at several minute intervals lasting approx. a second. I'm awaiting the arrival of a quick charger for these units so that I can test then to insure that they will indeed take a charge. In the interim, I was wondering if anyone had seen such a lack of response >from Li-Ion batteries in a 755CD. BTW, the six machines I've tried the batteries in are all 9545FBK Pentiums, I've been leery of even trying them in one of the non-Pentium 755s I have. Any help or thoughts would be gratefully received. Regards, James From cph Sun Oct 31 21:00:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA29174 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:00:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04010; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:55:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03918; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03895; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:54:58 -0500 Received: from denhall (tc3-45.ismi.net [205.216.96.150]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA18761; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:54:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001001bf2414$a2646ea0$9660d8cd@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: , Subject: Re: Li-Ion Batteries Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:56:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hi James, my experience with the Li-Ion batteries has shown that it often takes HOURS of just sitting there doing the occasional *blinking light* thing until the batteries are jump-started to life...then they charge up as normal.... My recommendation.... install in laptop and leave overnight...then see if charged after 8-10 hours of *stewing*.... if not, then I'd say you have a bad battery. In the worst case scenario, I can furnish you with a new unit if you need. Best Wishes. Happy Halloween... Denis Hall, Michigan 810-229-2881 -----Original Message----- From: James H. E. Maugham To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, October 31, 1999 7:49 PM Subject: Li-Ion Batteries >Oh great Thinkpad wizards (Bill, Jaren, Mark B.!!!). I have a conundrum. (No, >it's not contagious!) > >I recently purchased some Li-Ion batteries (one used, one new still in sealed >IBM box) for use in some of my Pentuim 755CDs. The problem is that the >machines appear to be incapable of charging them. The batteries are >allegedly usable in the Pentium 755s of the series. > >When the batteries are first put in, the charging light will come on for approx. >10 seconds and then extinguish. After that there will be an occasional flash >from the charging light at several minute intervals lasting approx. a second. > >I'm awaiting the arrival of a quick charger for these units so that I can test then >to insure that they will indeed take a charge. > >In the interim, I was wondering if anyone had seen such a lack of response >from Li-Ion batteries in a 755CD. BTW, the six machines I've tried the >batteries in are all 9545FBK Pentiums, I've been leery of even trying them in >one of the non-Pentium 755s I have. > >Any help or thoughts would be gratefully received. > >Regards, > >James > From cph Sun Oct 31 21:21:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA29290 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:21:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00628; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:21:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00469; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00453; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:21:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:21:03 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id VAA14581 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:08:58 -0500 (EST) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id VAA14560 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:08:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911010208.VAA14560@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:09:21 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: new HD: can only see 8gb of 10 List-Unsubscribe: I've got my new 10gig HD in the ultraslimbay and I'm playing with it with Partition Magic v4. No matter what I do, it reports only 8047.2MB. Is this a limitation of my TP600? Is there some way to get at the other 2gb? I don't care if it's a separate partition. IBM's site seems mute on this subject. Thanks! andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sun Oct 31 21:34:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA29336 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:34:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02032; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:33:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01955; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:33:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01942; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (165.87.194.229 -> out2.prserv.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:33:53 -0500 Received: from basterfield.com ([139.92.195.87]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <1999103121265822901nv4s1e>; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:27:29 +0000 Message-ID: <381CB3D2.5C342544@basterfield.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:25:38 +0000 From: Daniel Basterfield Organization: My middle name! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fade131@my-deja.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 390 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > And then another question, I recently saw an used Thinkpad P75 with 24mb RAM, 540mb HD, a small TFT screen but no sound or CD-ROM and was wondering what model it might have been? 755CX/CE? Should have had an Mwave DSP built-in for sound/modem functions. Very slight chance it was a 755C with the P75 upgrade. Maybe the vendor can clarify the model number? Dan. -- Daniel Basterfield "He who dies with the most toys wins" OS/2 Certified Engineer Microsoft Certified Professional ----------------------------------------------------------------------- IBM PC110 web page: http://www.basterfield.com/pc110/pc110idx.htm From cph Sun Oct 31 21:35:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA29343 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:35:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02403; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:35:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02318; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:35:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02303; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (207.181.194.97 -> oberon.dnai.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:35:35 -0500 Received: from THINKPAD600 (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by oberon.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA17414; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:35:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004501bf2411$daf05250$0301a8c0@THINKPAD600> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Andrew Webber" , References: <199911010208.VAA14560@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: new HD: can only see 8gb of 10 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:36:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: This suggests that you are running Windows 95 or the early Windows 98. As far as I remember there is a limitation of 8gb for these early OS variants. Suggestion: consider updating to Windows 98 Second Edition or Windows NT or 2000. All of these are a better bet than the earlier ones. I run Windows 2000 RC2 but I only (only!) have a 6gb drive. Good luck. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Webber" To: Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 6:09 PM Subject: new HD: can only see 8gb of 10 > I've got my new 10gig HD in the ultraslimbay and I'm playing with > it with Partition Magic v4. > > No matter what I do, it reports only 8047.2MB. Is this a > limitation of my TP600? Is there some way to get at the other 2gb? > I don't care if it's a separate partition. IBM's site seems mute > on this subject. > > Thanks! > > andrew > ------ > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html > > > > > From cph Sun Oct 31 21:40:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA29370 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:40:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02924; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:39:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02772; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02478; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:35:53 -0500 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-171.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.171]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA03597 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:21:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991031211746.01272620@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:17:46 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: <199910312310.SAA15686@water.vramp.net> References: <3812486F.92A51CB0@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:01 PM 10/31/1999 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: >Oh great Thinkpad wizards (Bill, Jaren, Mark B.!!!). I have a conundrum. (No, >it's not contagious!) > >I recently purchased some Li-Ion batteries (one used, one new still in sealed >IBM box) for use in some of my Pentuim 755CDs. The problem is that the >machines appear to be incapable of charging them. The batteries are >allegedly usable in the Pentium 755s of the series. > >When the batteries are first put in, the charging light will come on for approx. >10 seconds and then extinguish. After that there will be an occasional flash >from the charging light at several minute intervals lasting approx. a second. > >I'm awaiting the arrival of a quick charger for these units so that I can test then >to insure that they will indeed take a charge. > >In the interim, I was wondering if anyone had seen such a lack of response >from Li-Ion batteries in a 755CD. BTW, the six machines I've tried the >batteries in are all 9545FBK Pentiums, I've been leery of even trying them in >one of the non-Pentium 755s I have. > I saw a similar problem with 755c's and new/used (but working) batteries. The machine either wouldn't charge or seemed to charge at sporatic intervals. I cleaned the contacts on both ends (the tine looking prongs on the machines and the battery contacts), and I pried the contacts in the machines up a little more to insure that ALL connectors were making contact. After that, the batteries charged fine and I had no problems from then on. This was with 9545-L0G's (DX4/75's). I surmised that it was a combination of bad contacts and more likely some of the connectors weren't making contact 100% of the time. By bending them all up a tad, I insured they all made contact. You have to realize that used machines have been moved/used, and the contacts can become bent or weakened inside. On used batteries, I saw dirty contacts too, so I thought the internal contacts could have been dirty too. What did I use to clean 'em? Heh, at the time I grabbed the nearest, old school solution I could.......a pencil eraser. :) ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Sun Oct 31 21:40:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA29377 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:40:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02980; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:39:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02817; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02786; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.132 -> dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:39:40 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id VAA08427 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:39:39 -0500 (EST) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id VAA08417 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:39:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911010239.VAA08417@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:40:02 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: new HD: can only see 8gb of 10 List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:36:08 -0800, David W. Taylor wrote: >This suggests that you are running Windows 95 or the >early Windows 98. > >As far as I remember there is a limitation of 8gb for >these early OS variants. > >Suggestion: consider updating to Windows 98 Second Edition >or Windows NT or 2000. All of these are a better bet than >the earlier ones. I run Windows 2000 RC2 but I only (only!) >have a 6gb drive. > >Good luck. Thanks for the quick reply. You are correct, I'm running the Win95 that came with this TP600. I suspect I'm too late for the free upgrade to Win98 (there was a coupon floating around, about the time I got this one -- end of June, 1998). Do you think I could use the extra 2GB for a Linux install, and still use my Win95? I know that's the cowardly way out, but it's being suggested repeatedly that I install Linux. Although I think it would be great to play with the technology (I know SunOS from the old days), I'm stumped as to why I'd _want_ Linux. There isn't much I can do on it, that I can't do with Windows, and there's lots I do with Windows that I can't with Linux (edit SGML files in Word Perfect, publish with Corel Ventura). Anyway, if I've got 2GB I can't access now, perhaps I should "graciously" use it for Linux and keep my client happy? If I can, that is! Thanks again! andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sun Oct 31 21:40:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA29381 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:40:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03353; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:40:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03273; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03255; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.132 -> dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:40:25 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id VAA08518 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:40:24 -0500 (EST) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id VAA08512 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:40:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911010240.VAA08512@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:40:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: new HD: can only see 8gb of 10 List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:37:48 -0500 (EST), Allan wrote: >Is it fomatted to FAT16? I got it not formatted at all, and I'm formatting it to FAT32 (using Partition Magic). andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sun Oct 31 21:47:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA29413 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:47:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04032; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:47:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:46:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03957; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:46:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03944; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:46:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.142 -> as-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:46:56 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) id VAA05824 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:46:54 -0500 (EST) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) with SMTP id VAA05807 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:46:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911010246.VAA05807@spamraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:47:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: IBM Microdrives available where? List-Unsubscribe: Hello! I'm intrigued by IBM's Compact Flash II microdrives (170MB, 340MB) which according to their website have been shipping since June. But the website won't sell them, and the IBM store here in Ottawa can't even find them in their computer with the number from the site. I originally thought they'd be too expensive for anything non-business, but then I saw the price of 64MB CF items (I forget but it was over C$200) and suddenly the drives didn't seem so bad. The latest PC Magazine mentions a price of about U$1.50 per megabyte for the drives, vs. $5 for the regular CF cards, I think. What I'm wondering, is if they'd be practical (a) for a portable mp3 player such as the Lyra just released; and (b) for a digital camera like the Kodak "Editors Choice" in the latest PC. Or will they suck the batteries dry? Unfortunately the cameras that have slightly more appeal (the higher-grade editor's choice, and the Nikon which I've actually held) don't use CF. Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks! andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sun Oct 31 22:04:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA29525 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:04:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05421; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:04:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:03:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05329; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05312; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:03:41 -0500 Received: from ati-ga1-02.ix.netcom.com (ati-ga1-02.ix.netcom.com [207.222.234.2]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA25188; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:37:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911010237.VAA25188@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan" To: "Andrew Webber" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:37:48 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Allan " Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199911010208.VAA14560@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: new HD: can only see 8gb of 10 List-Unsubscribe: Is it fomatted to FAT16? On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:09:21 -0500, Andrew Webber wrote: >I've got my new 10gig HD in the ultraslimbay and I'm playing with >it with Partition Magic v4. > >No matter what I do, it reports only 8047.2MB. Is this a >limitation of my TP600? Is there some way to get at the other 2gb? > I don't care if it's a separate partition. IBM's site seems mute >on this subject. > >Thanks! > >andrew >------ >current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html > > > > From cph Sun Oct 31 22:09:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA29549 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:09:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05977; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:09:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05900; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:09:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05673; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:05:58 -0500 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-171.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.171]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA05562 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:04:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991031220754.01273510@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:07:54 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 390 In-Reply-To: <381CB3D2.5C342544@basterfield.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:25 PM 10/31/1999 +0000, Daniel Basterfield wrote: > >> And then another question, I recently saw an used Thinkpad P75 with 24mb RAM, 540mb HD, a small TFT screen but no sound or CD-ROM and was wondering what model it might have been? > >755CX/CE? Should have had an Mwave DSP built-in for sound/modem >functions. Very slight chance it was a 755C with the P75 upgrade. Maybe >the vendor can clarify the model number? 755cx most likely. 755cx's were offered in scaled down versions with/without DSP, and standard 640x480 TFTs or 800x600 TFTs. The 540mb seems to indicate the lesser model sans the mwave dsp option. The pricing differences of the 755cx (without DSP and with 640x480) was $1000 less than a 800x600/DSP model if not more as far as I can remember. The 755cx was my favorite 755 model. You got the awesome 755 keyboard, compact form factor, but with the higher resolution TFT. FYI, 755cx's and ce's did not come with an option for internal CD-ROMs. Only 755 model that did was the 755CD and the 755CDV. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Sun Oct 31 22:10:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA29557 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:10:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06153; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:09:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06060; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06004; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:09:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (198.161.157.104 -> edtnps04.telusplanet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:09:53 -0500 Received: from clgr000018.hs.telusplanet.net ([161.184.80.18]:61619 "HELO geza770x.sivco.com") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:09:26 -0700 From: Geza Szivos/SIVCO Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:09:34 -0700 To: "Andrew Webber" cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: new HD: can only see 8gb of 10 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Then Format it to FAT32, Commit Changes and I think you will be able increase the size. Geza Szivos "Andrew Webber" on 10/31/99 07:40:51 PM Please respond to "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" cc: FaxTo: Subject: Re: new HD: can only see 8gb of 10 On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:37:48 -0500 (EST), Allan wrote: >Is it fomatted to FAT16? I got it not formatted at all, and I'm formatting it to FAT32 (using Partition Magic). andrew ------ current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sun Oct 31 22:11:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA29561 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:11:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06593; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:11:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06509; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06468; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:11:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (198.161.157.104 -> edtnps04.telusplanet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:11:05 -0500 Received: from clgr000018.hs.telusplanet.net ([161.184.80.18]:61620 "HELO geza770x.sivco.com") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:10:30 -0700 From: Geza Szivos/SIVCO Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:10:38 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Li-Ion Batteries Message-ID: <7AA591A9834187818725681C000BE3F2.0000000000000000@sivco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Who sells 770 Batteries? From cph Sun Oct 31 22:28:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA29627 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:28:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08114; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:26:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08039; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rpi.edu (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08026; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rpi.edu (128.113.100.7 -> mail.rpi.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:26:17 -0500 Received: from notebook (poliwag-57.dynamic.rpi.edu [128.113.195.226]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA153144 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:26:11 -0500 From: "A Kumar" To: "List Thinkpad" Subject: RE: IBM Microdrives available where? Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:29:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000401bf2419$45d82a00$e2c37180@notebook.stu.rpi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <199911010246.VAA05807@spamraaa.compuserve.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: My boss got one for his Casio PlamPC so he could listen to MP3's but the batteries only lasted an hour. So yes they love to eat batteries, but in a lower powered device it might not be so noticeable. > -----Original Message----- > From: awebber@sgml-mercs.com [mailto:awebber@sgml-mercs.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 9:47 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: IBM Microdrives available where? > > > Hello! > > I'm intrigued by IBM's Compact Flash II microdrives (170MB, 340MB) > which according to their website have been shipping since June. > But the website won't sell them, and the IBM store here in Ottawa > can't even find them in their computer with the number from the > site. > > I originally thought they'd be too expensive for anything > non-business, but then I saw the price of 64MB CF items (I forget > but it was over C$200) and suddenly the drives didn't seem so bad. > The latest PC Magazine mentions a price of about U$1.50 per > megabyte for the drives, vs. $5 for the regular CF cards, I think. > > What I'm wondering, is if they'd be practical (a) for a portable > mp3 player such as the Lyra just released; and (b) for a digital > camera like the Kodak "Editors Choice" in the latest PC. Or will > they suck the batteries dry? Unfortunately the cameras that have > slightly more appeal (the higher-grade editor's choice, and the > Nikon which I've actually held) don't use CF. > > Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks! > > > andrew > ------ > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html > > > > > From cph Sun Oct 31 23:08:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA29773 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:08:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10297; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:08:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:08:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10222; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:08:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10206; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:08:22 -0500 Received: from iso.net (dial34.auto-net.com [208.154.252.83]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA33565; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:04:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <381D11F8.B8F346F5@iso.net> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:07:21 -0600 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: new HD: can only see 8gb of 10 References: <199911010208.VAA14560@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Sounds like you are bumping into the BIOS limitation of 8.4 GB ((1024 cyl x 256 heads x 63 sectors = 8,455,716,864 bytes less the overhead.) I'm not sure that PM will do anything but FAT32 on Win98 will handle much larger drives. The only other way is probably a disk manager Bill Andrew Webber wrote: > I've got my new 10gig HD in the ultraslimbay and I'm playing with > it with Partition Magic v4. > > No matter what I do, it reports only 8047.2MB. Is this a > limitation of my TP600? Is there some way to get at the other 2gb? > I don't care if it's a separate partition. IBM's site seems mute > on this subject. > > Thanks! > > andrew > ------ > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html