From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 02:48:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA18465 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00801; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:46:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00716; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00702; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:46:31 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-414.gate.net [199.227.131.223]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA366808; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:46:36 -0400 Message-ID: <37A3ED39.F8343133@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 02:46:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ronald Ross CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: TP 600 - Removing & Cleaning Keys References: <005001bedb7f$c4215180$ec1b4d0c@ronsthinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: carefully remove keytops, pray that none of the pepsi has intruded within the membrane, take a Q-Tip (c) and, using a solution of H2O(75%)/Joy(c)(5%)/Denatured Alcohol(20%) [proportions need not be exact], dip the Q-Tip(c) into the cleaning mixture, squeeze off excess fluid and use to swab up the mess.. :-) you are lucky this cooling elixer did not make it onto the system board or other electronic areas.. i used to use cola drinks (not (c)) to clean off the huge copper battery terminals on my boat before i switched to sealed gel cell batteries.. i suggest "doing" a few keys at a time.. :-) Ronald Ross wrote: > I tried to cool off my beloved ThinkPad 600 by feeding it an icy Dr. > Pepper. Unfortunately the soda was indigestible. I did this a few > months ago, and the keys still continue to "stick". So, now I need to > clean up the mess I created. > > How do I remove the keys without damaging them? > > Any tips for cleaning sticky keys, particularly the Shift Key, would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks...... > > Ron Ross > RJR Consultants, Inc > Charlotte, NC -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 02:52:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA18511 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01332; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:51:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01214; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01201; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:51:04 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-414.gate.net [199.227.131.223]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA355924; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:51:04 -0400 Message-ID: <37A3EE45.F3072DD@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 02:50:45 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marvin Nakayama CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: pc-card slot very hot on 770 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Marvin.. check tio see if the fan is coming on..! if not, that might be the problem.. the 770 is not noted for melting PCMCIA cards, so i think i would look at the fan first.. :-) Marvin Nakayama wrote: > I have a 770 (9549-1AU), and I noticed that when I use my > PC-card ethernet card (Xircom 10/100Base-TX), it is *very* > hot when I take it out of the slot. I had to replace one > ethernet card already, and I think it is because of the heat. > Now my replacement card is failing intermittently, and again > I think it is because of the heat. So my question is, > is this usual for 770's? Should I send in my 770 to EZServe > to look at it? Thanks. > > Marvin -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 03:37:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA18873 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06812; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:21:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04904; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04821; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:21:10 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p08.hwts23.loop.net [207.211.65.119]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA23244 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 00:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908010722.AAA23244@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 01 Aug 99 00:19:25 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Voice modem program? List-Unsubscribe: I was trying to install the version of Faxworks that came with my 701 on my new installation of Windows 95 (finally migrated from OS/2 to Win32 on that machine). Unfortunately, the program is only 16 bit, and the install crashes. Does anyone have any recomendations for that machine, or a desktop, that mainly has seperate mailboxes, and decent quality recording (11KHz or above preferred). Thanks, Paul From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 03:40:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA18882 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08597; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:39:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08477; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08409; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:38:51 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-414.gate.net [199.227.131.223]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA149596; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:38:56 -0400 Message-ID: <37A3F97C.D66AF1F1@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 03:38:36 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Voice modem program? References: <199908010722.AAA23244@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul.. you might try a later version of faxworks, as supplied on the 760 series machines.. i tried winfax 8 and the sound quality was terrible.. AND i had to get a PCMCIA voice/fax/data modem because the 701 modem was not supported by winfax 8.. now i use one 701C as an answering machine and it works fine.. BUT i also use win 3.1 (the original preload).. ! :-) it works just fine and its fairly fast.. well, fast enough..! Paul Khoury wrote: > I was trying to install the version of Faxworks that came with my 701 on my new installation of > Windows 95 (finally migrated from OS/2 to Win32 on that machine). Unfortunately, > the program is only 16 bit, and the install crashes. > > Does anyone have any recomendations for that machine, or a desktop, that mainly > has seperate mailboxes, and decent quality recording (11KHz or above preferred). > > Thanks, > > Paul -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 04:46:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA19116 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 04:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14554; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 04:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 04:44:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14459; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 04:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14441; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 04:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (165.87.194.243 -> out5.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 04:44:40 -0400 Received: from ibm.net (slip139-92-195-3.war.uk.ibm.net [139.92.195.3]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA25310; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 08:44:31 GMT Message-ID: <37A4077A.EDA49546@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 09:38:20 +0100 From: Tony Wright Organization: Equi-Tek CompCon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP760ED - Unable to Hibernate References: <199907310323.UAA00681@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul Khoury wrote: > I don't know if anyone else has experianced this problem or not. > > On my 760, if I use my one of my original drives (17mm for the drive itself), hibernation > works fine, as well as accessing the configuration utility. > > However, if I use one of the newer replacement parts IBM ships out > (because one of my drives failed), it completely locks up while trying to hibernate > or access the configuration utility. > > I have also noticed on these drives that they are slimmer (actual drive is 9.5mm). I've > experianced the problem in OS/2 Warp 4 and NT Workstation 4, both with > the most recent fixpack/service pack applied. I haven't tried 95 or 98 yet. > But again, on the thicker drives, everything works fine. > It's driving me nuts, because I can't hibernate now in Windows or Warp... Thats interesting but no doubt just coincidental, cos while I was piddling around with APMon OS/2 looking at a problem someone else had, my old TP755CEX suspend and hibernation just started exhibiting similar symptoms..... Hmmmm. -- Rgds Tony W Email: horseman@ibm.net "humanum est errare: To err is human .... and to fail is to be a Project Manager... ...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!" From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 06:18:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA19456 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 06:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22146; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 06:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 06:17:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22064; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 06:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22051; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 06:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 06:17:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA97689; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:16:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:16:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Marvin Nakayama , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: pc-card slot very hot on 770 In-Reply-To: <37A3EE45.F3072DD@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Speaking about ethernet cards, is it just me or does the 770Z hang in win98 during shutdown with the network card in the PCMCIA slot? Also, for those users who load a lot of stuff after bootup and getting on the net, can they let me know what Resource Meter under Accessories -> System Tools in Win98 reports for GSI, System and User Resources available? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 09:27:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA20132 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27035; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:25:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26937; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail6.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26924; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail6.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.60 -> mail6.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:25:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 5916 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 1999 13:25:45 -0000 Received: from pppa42-tucson8-2r345.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.231.152) by mail6.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 13:25:45 -0000 Message-ID: <37A44AA0.7429A906@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 06:24:48 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: resource meter (was pc card..) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vincent Poy wrote: > > for those users who load a lot of stuff after bootup and getting on the > net, can they let me know what Resource Meter under Accessories -> System > Tools in Win98 reports for >GSI, gsi ? GDI = 72 % >System and 55 % >User Resources available? 55 % These values are for total RAM of 128MB on a TP770 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ == ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 09:46:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA20220 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27838; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:45:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27754; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27731; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:45:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA98471; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 06:44:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 06:44:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: resource meter (was pc card..) In-Reply-To: <37A44AA0.7429A906@netzero.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > for those users who load a lot of stuff after bootup and getting on the > > net, can they let me know what Resource Meter under Accessories -> System > > Tools in Win98 reports for > >GSI, > gsi ? > GDI = 72 % Oops, I meant GDI... > >System and > 55 % > >User Resources available? > 55 % > These values are for total RAM of 128MB on a TP770 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Those are pretty impressive... When my machine boots up, it's 66%/66%/78% but after being online and running ICQ, two MSIE 5.0 browser windows and 2 telnet sessions, it's 36%/36%/49%. Right now after idling, it's 26%/26%/40%. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 10:10:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA20363 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28817; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:08:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28583; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28558; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.37 -> mail2.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:08:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 16604 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 1999 14:07:59 -0000 Received: from pppa42-tucson8-2r345.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.231.152) by mail2.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 14:07:59 -0000 Message-ID: <37A45485.61D04739@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 07:07:01 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: resource meter (was pc slot very...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: pc-card slot very hot on 770 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 07:04:41 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu To: Vincent Poy References: Vincent Poy wrote: > > On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > for those users who load a lot of stuff after bootup and getting on the > > > net, can they let me know what Resource Meter under Accessories -> System > > > Tools in Win98 reports for > > >GSI, > > gsi ? > > GDI = 72 % > > Oops, I meant GDI =) > > > >System and > > 55 % > > >User Resources available? > > 55 % > > These values are for total RAM of 128MB on a TP770 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Hmmm, what are you running in the system tray I see the icons for: IBM/MS: UltraBayII, Keyboard language, TrackPoint, TP Configuration, Battery Meter, Resources Meter, Display Properties, Volume Control, AntiVirus, Desktop Contents, Network Monitor (?) Other: Prime95, SETI@Home, AltaVista Discovery, TaskInfo, Ramfree >and what apps are Those under "other" plus: Netscape Navigator, Netscape Mail, NZCast (one of NetZero's apps) > you running with those figures and were you connected online at the time? Yes, via NetZero which runs several apps using up to 35% CPU Currently the figures are 72, 51, 51 Adding IExplorer and one more Navigator window: 69, 46, 46 Adding NotePad: 68, 44, 44 Adding WordPad: 63, 43, 43 Later today I'll have the values for total RAM = 96, 64, 32MB What are your values, apps, tray, RAM, TP#? JC ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 10:18:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA20456 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29403; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:16:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29164; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29140; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:16:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA98609; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 07:15:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 07:15:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, jclerm@aztec.asu.edu Subject: Re: resource meter (was pc slot very...) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > > for those users who load a lot of stuff after bootup and getting on the > > > > net, can they let me know what Resource Meter under Accessories -> System > > > > Tools in Win98 reports for > > > >GSI, > > > gsi ? > > > GDI = 72 % > > > > Oops, I meant GDI =) > > > > > >System and > > > 55 % > > > >User Resources available? > > > 55 % > > > These values are for total RAM of 128MB on a TP770 > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Hmmm, what are you running in the system tray > > I see the icons for: > IBM/MS: UltraBayII, Keyboard language, TrackPoint, TP Configuration, > Battery Meter, Resources Meter, Display Properties, Volume > Control, AntiVirus, Desktop Contents, Network Monitor (?) > Other: Prime95, SETI@Home, AltaVista Discovery, TaskInfo, Ramfree I guess you have less apps running than I do... I'm running Norton SystemWorks... What is SETI@Home anyways? > >and what apps are > > Those under "other" plus: > Netscape Navigator, Netscape Mail, NZCast (one of NetZero's apps) Oh okay... > > you running with those figures and were you connected online at the time? > > Yes, via NetZero which runs several apps using up to 35% CPU Hmmm, interesting... > Currently the figures are 72, 51, 51 > > Adding IExplorer and one more Navigator window: > 69, 46, 46 > Adding NotePad: 68, 44, 44 > Adding WordPad: 63, 43, 43 > > Later today I'll have the values for total RAM = 96, 64, 32MB > > What are your values, apps, tray, RAM, TP#? Hmmm, mines starts at 68, 68, 79 and then as soon as I run MSIE 5 with two windows, it goes down to 36/36/49.... Right now it's 26/26/40. Upon bootup, I have Norton AntiVirus/CleanSweep/Recycle Bin Protection/CrashGuard, Windows Shceduler, UltraBay, Battery/AC, ConfigSafe, PCMCIA, Speaker, SocketWatch, MSN QuickView, MSN Messenger, Real Audio Plus G2, Resource Meter, and ICQ... This is with 68, 68, 79. So I logon to the net and then it goes to 65/65/78, the only thing that changed is the DUN is now up and ICQ and MSN Messenger is now active. So I run two MSIE 5.0 windows and two SecureCRT Telnet sessions and it goes to 36/36/49 then it slowly eats up more resources as time goes on. This is on a 770Z 9549-8AU with 256MB RAM. I originally had 128MB RAM that was upgraded 2 days ago using Crucial/Micron Memory... For $197 for 128MB of RAM, it can't be beat... Micron made the module but the 128MB uses NEC chips.. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 10:32:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA20606 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00120; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:28:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29803; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29789; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.37 -> mail2.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:28:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 10147 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 1999 14:28:04 -0000 Received: from pppa42-tucson8-2r345.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.231.152) by mail2.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 14:28:04 -0000 Message-ID: <37A4593A.C3B6A50E@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 07:27:06 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: resource meter (was: pc-card slot very hot on 770 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vincent Poy wrote: ........................ > I guess you have less apps running than I do... I'm running > Norton SystemWorks... What is SETI@Home anyways? It's the "real thing" shown in fiction by Jodi Foster's search in the movie "Contact" for data analysis from the Arecibo Observatory intended to detect extraterrestrial signals. A total of, up to now, close to 1 million pc's doing "distributed parallel computing": you can volunteer your computer's idle time or full-time processing in the background. See: http://setiathome.ssl.berkley.edu > > >and what apps are > > > > Those under "other" plus: > > Netscape Navigator, Netscape Mail, NZCast (one of NetZero's apps) > > Oh okay... > > > > you running with those figures and were you connected online at the time? > > > > Yes, via NetZero which runs several apps using up to 35% CPU > > Hmmm, interesting... > > > Currently the figures are 72, 51, 51 > > > > Adding IExplorer and one more Navigator window: > > 69, 46, 46 > > Adding NotePad: 68, 44, 44 > > Adding WordPad: 63, 43, 43 > > > > Later today I'll have the values for total RAM = 96, 64, 32MB > > > > What are your values, apps, tray, RAM, TP#? > > Hmmm, mines starts at 68, 68, 79 and then as soon as I run MSIE 5 > with two windows, it goes down to 36/36/49.... Right now it's 26/26/40. > Upon bootup, I have Norton AntiVirus/CleanSweep/Recycle Bin > Protection/CrashGuard, Windows Shceduler, UltraBay, Battery/AC, > ConfigSafe, PCMCIA, Speaker, SocketWatch, MSN QuickView, MSN Messenger, > Real Audio Plus G2, Resource Meter, and ICQ... This is with 68, 68, 79. > So I logon to the net and then it goes to 65/65/78, the only thing that > changed is the DUN is now up and ICQ and MSN Messenger is now active. So > I run two MSIE 5.0 windows and two SecureCRT Telnet sessions and it goes > to 36/36/49 then it slowly eats up more resources as time goes on. Sure it does! I have seen it much lower on 32MB of RAM. How much RAM do you have on your machine? Is it a TP770 1AU? JC ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 10:51:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA20708 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01093; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:47:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00885; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00872; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:47:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA98735; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 07:47:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 07:47:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: resource meter (was: pc-card slot very hot on 770 In-Reply-To: <37A4593A.C3B6A50E@netzero.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > I guess you have less apps running than I do... I'm running > > Norton SystemWorks... What is SETI@Home anyways? > > It's the "real thing" shown in fiction by Jodi Foster's search > in the movie "Contact" for data analysis from the Arecibo > Observatory intended to detect extraterrestrial signals. A > total of, up to now, close to 1 million pc's doing "distributed > parallel computing": you can volunteer your computer's idle > time or full-time processing in the background. See: > > http://setiathome.ssl.berkley.edu Interesting... I was always wondering what the SETI part was... > > > >and what apps are > > > > > > Those under "other" plus: > > > Netscape Navigator, Netscape Mail, NZCast (one of NetZero's apps) > > > > Oh okay... > > > > > > you running with those figures and were you connected online at the time? > > > > > > Yes, via NetZero which runs several apps using up to 35% CPU > > > > Hmmm, interesting... > > > > > Currently the figures are 72, 51, 51 > > > > > > Adding IExplorer and one more Navigator window: > > > 69, 46, 46 > > > Adding NotePad: 68, 44, 44 > > > Adding WordPad: 63, 43, 43 > > > > > > Later today I'll have the values for total RAM = 96, 64, 32MB > > > > > > What are your values, apps, tray, RAM, TP#? > > > > Hmmm, mines starts at 68, 68, 79 and then as soon as I run MSIE 5 > > with two windows, it goes down to 36/36/49.... Right now it's 26/26/40. > > Upon bootup, I have Norton AntiVirus/CleanSweep/Recycle Bin > > Protection/CrashGuard, Windows Shceduler, UltraBay, Battery/AC, > > ConfigSafe, PCMCIA, Speaker, SocketWatch, MSN QuickView, MSN Messenger, > > Real Audio Plus G2, Resource Meter, and ICQ... This is with 68, 68, 79. > > So I logon to the net and then it goes to 65/65/78, the only thing that > > changed is the DUN is now up and ICQ and MSN Messenger is now active. So > > I run two MSIE 5.0 windows and two SecureCRT Telnet sessions and it goes > > to 36/36/49 then it slowly eats up more resources as time goes on. > > Sure it does! I have seen it much lower on 32MB of RAM. > How much RAM do you have on your machine? Is it a TP770 1AU? Oops, guess you missed that part... I have 256MB of RAM on a 770Z 9549-8AU. I had 128MB RAM two days ago... Just upgraded two days ago using the $197 Crucial/Micron 128MB memory module... Funny thing is the 128MB is the only size where the board is Micron's but the chips are NEC. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 10:54:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA20730 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01539; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:52:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01308; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01247; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.37 -> mail2.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:52:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 8939 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 1999 14:52:12 -0000 Received: from pppa42-tucson8-2r345.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.231.152) by mail2.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 14:52:12 -0000 Message-ID: <37A45EE1.32D4B876@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 07:51:13 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu CC: Vincent Poy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: resource meter (was: pc-card slot very hot on 770 References: <37A4593A.C3B6A50E@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vincent Roy said: > slowly eats up more resources as time goes on. Sure it does! I have seen it much lower on 32MB of RAM. In fact, I'm measuring the amount of free RAM available an any time (OOPS, the utility is not "ramfree" as I said but "showmem") and as the time goes on, all RAM is swallowed up by the system. Memory leaks, I guess. JC ________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 10:58:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA20760 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02145; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:55:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01642; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.com.uy (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01628; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.com.uy (207.3.114.10 -> fw1.netgate.com.uy) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:55:39 -0400 Received: from bqlzpsrt (tc1-2-134.netgate.com.uy [207.3.118.134]) by netgate.com.uy (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA05371 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:55:33 -0300 From: "Harry Teszler" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: Voice modem program? Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:55:30 -0300 Message-ID: <000001bedc2d$e61dbc20$867603cf@bqlzpsrt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <37A3F97C.D66AF1F1@icanect.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Hello, all. Does anybody know about a PCMCIA voice/fax/data card that would be compatible with Winfax 9 ? I did not know that cards with voice exist. Thanks in advance. ***************************************************************** Harry Teszler hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 harryt@redfacil.com.uy Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. ***************************************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@icanect.net] > Sent: domingo 1 de agosto de 1999 04:39 > To: Paul Khoury > Cc: ThinkPad List > Subject: Re: Voice modem program? > > > Paul.. > > you might try a later version of faxworks, as supplied on the 760 > series machines.. > > i tried winfax 8 and the sound quality was terrible.. AND i had > to get a PCMCIA voice/fax/data > modem because the 701 modem was not supported by winfax 8.. > > now i use one 701C as an answering machine and it works fine.. > BUT i also use win 3.1 (the original > preload).. ! :-) > it works just fine and its fairly fast.. well, fast enough..! > > Paul Khoury wrote: > > > I was trying to install the version of Faxworks that came with > my 701 on my new installation of > > Windows 95 (finally migrated from OS/2 to Win32 on that > machine). Unfortunately, > > the program is only 16 bit, and the install crashes. > > > > Does anyone have any recomendations for that machine, or a > desktop, that mainly > > has seperate mailboxes, and decent quality recording (11KHz or > above preferred). > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your > mileage will vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 11:01:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20778 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02861; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:57:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02040; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01745; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236 -> smtp3.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:56:30 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24635; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990801105507.00a294a0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 10:56:50 -0400 To: Vincent Poy From: richard Subject: Re: resource meter (was: pc-card slot very hot on 770 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <37A4593A.C3B6A50E@netzero.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 07:47 AM 8/1/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > Oops, guess you missed that part... I have 256MB of RAM on a 770Z >9549-8AU. I had 128MB RAM two days ago... Just upgraded two days ago >using the $197 Crucial/Micron 128MB memory module... Funny thing is the Have you noticed any difference in performance between 128mb and 256mb? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 11:02:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20795 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03207; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:57:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02163; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02054; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:57:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA98782; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 07:56:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 07:56:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: richard cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: resource meter (was: pc-card slot very hot on 770 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990801105507.00a294a0@pop.rcn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, richard wrote: > At 07:47 AM 8/1/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > > Oops, guess you missed that part... I have 256MB of RAM on a 770Z > >9549-8AU. I had 128MB RAM two days ago... Just upgraded two days ago > >using the $197 Crucial/Micron 128MB memory module... Funny thing is the > > Have you noticed any difference in performance between 128mb and 256mb? Not really... I thought it would increase the resources available but it didn't. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 11:03:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20807 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03460; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:58:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02355; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02213; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.37 -> mail2.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:58:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 105 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 1999 14:58:00 -0000 Received: from pppa42-tucson8-2r345.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.231.152) by mail2.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 14:58:00 -0000 Message-ID: <37A4603E.2127F3B4@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 07:57:02 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: resource meter (was: pc-card slot very hot on 770 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I had missed your info about your total RAM. It seems that we both are trying to understand how Win95 handles its resources... and it seems that as with $$$$ "more is better but it's never enough (for some...)..." I'd been trying to put the swapfile into a ramdrive, but Win95 doesn't list the ramdrives in the virtual memory setup. Do you know of other way to try it? Vincent Poy wrote: ........ > Oops, guess you missed that part... I have 256MB of RAM on a 770Z > 9549-8AU. I had 128MB RAM two days ago... Just upgraded two days ago > using the $197 Crucial/Micron 128MB memory module... Funny thing is the > 128MB is the only size where the board is Micron's but the chips are NEC. ============== ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 11:04:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20816 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03705; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:01:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03073; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02868; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:00:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA98809; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 08:00:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 08:00:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: resource meter (was: pc-card slot very hot on 770 In-Reply-To: <37A4603E.2127F3B4@netzero.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > I had missed your info about your total RAM. What happened was I wrote two replies at different times. > It seems that we both are trying to understand how Win95 > handles its resources... and it seems that as with $$$$ > "more is better but it's never enough (for some...)..." It seems memory and resources aren't really related for win95 and 98. Were you running win98 or was that 95? Seems like win95 handles resources better than 98. My 385ED uses the Government version of Win98 and it handles resources better than the 770Z Win98 preload. > I'd been trying to put the swapfile into a ramdrive, but > Win95 doesn't list the ramdrives in the virtual memory > setup. Do you know of other way to try it? Not really.. Try VRAMDIR maybe? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Vincent Poy wrote: > ........ > > Oops, guess you missed that part... I have 256MB of RAM on a 770Z > > 9549-8AU. I had 128MB RAM two days ago... Just upgraded two days ago > > using the $197 Crucial/Micron 128MB memory module... Funny thing is the > > 128MB is the only size where the board is Micron's but the chips are NEC. > > > > > ============== > ________________________________________________________ > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 11:08:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20834 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04349; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:05:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04001; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03970; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236 -> smtp3.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:05:52 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26617; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990801110437.00a22500@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 11:06:14 -0400 To: Vincent Poy From: richard Subject: Re: resource meter (was: pc-card slot very hot on 770 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.19990801105507.00a294a0@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 07:56 AM 8/1/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: >On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, richard wrote: > > > At 07:47 AM 8/1/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > > > Oops, guess you missed that part... I have 256MB of RAM on a > 770Z > > >9549-8AU. I had 128MB RAM two days ago... Just upgraded two days ago > > >using the $197 Crucial/Micron 128MB memory module... Funny thing is the > > > > Have you noticed any difference in performance between 128mb and 256mb? > > Not really... I thought it would increase the resources available >but it didn't. AFAIK, win95/98 resources are limited to a fixed amount of memory no matter how much RAM you have. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 11:23:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20922 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05161; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:21:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04965; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04945; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.39) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:21:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 12659 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 1999 15:16:25 -0000 Received: from pppa42-tucson8-2r345.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.231.152) by mail4.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 15:16:25 -0000 Message-ID: <37A4648E.A4908DCB@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 08:15:26 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: resource meter (was: pc-card slot very hot on 770 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vincent Poy wrote: > On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, richard wrote: > > At 07:47 AM 8/1/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > > > Oops, guess you missed that part... I have 256MB of RAM on a 770Z > > >9549-8AU. I had 128MB RAM two days ago... Just upgraded two days ago > > >using the $197 Crucial/Micron 128MB memory module... Funny thing is the > > > > Have you noticed any difference in performance between 128mb and 256mb? > > Not really... I thought it would increase the resources available > but it didn't. I didn't find the resource meter to be much related to performance, and now: what do you call performance? I'm running on Win95. My preliminary data show that if I measure "performance" by time for one iteration in the Prime95 program, performance goes somewhat down when RAM is larger than the cacheable RAM (64 KB in my case). But if I measure "performance" by time to load a browser, download a file, move a window around the screen, and "LESS CRASHES PER DAY" then "more is better" (at least in the range between 32 to 128 MB). When the system gets sluggish and I see no free RAM, I reboot before waiting for a crash... I guess this was the technique used in 1980 with timesharing mainframes like the DEC-10. JC ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 11:27:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20953 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05618; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:25:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05277; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05232; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.38 -> mail3.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:24:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 28051 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 1999 15:24:17 -0000 Received: from pppa42-tucson8-2r345.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.231.152) by mail3.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 15:24:17 -0000 Message-ID: <37A46660.C12F9611@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 08:23:12 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: resource meter (was: pc-card slot very hot on 770 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I tried to set the swap file to VRAMDIR but, nevertheless, the system wrote it to C:. Moreover VRAMDIR makes a variable size radmdrive and the idea was to partition RAM in 64KB for the system RAM and 64KB for the swapfile. Vincent Poy wrote: > > On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > > I had missed your info about your total RAM. > > What happened was I wrote two replies at different times. > > > It seems that we both are trying to understand how Win95 > > handles its resources... and it seems that as with $$$$ > > "more is better but it's never enough (for some...)..." > > It seems memory and resources aren't really related for win95 and > 98. Were you running win98 or was that 95? Seems like win95 handles > resources better than 98. My 385ED uses the Government version of Win98 > and it handles resources better than the 770Z Win98 preload. > > > I'd been trying to put the swapfile into a ramdrive, but > > Win95 doesn't list the ramdrives in the virtual memory > > setup. Do you know of other way to try it? > > Not really.. Try VRAMDIR maybe? > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > ........ > > > Oops, guess you missed that part... I have 256MB of RAM on a 770Z > > > 9549-8AU. I had 128MB RAM two days ago... Just upgraded two days ago > > > using the $197 Crucial/Micron 128MB memory module... Funny thing is the > > > 128MB is the only size where the board is Micron's but the chips are NEC. > > > > > > > > > > ============== > > ________________________________________________________ > > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 11:27:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20958 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05630; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:25:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05304; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05264; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy3.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:24:56 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id IAA27373 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 08:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990801081605.00cf8cc0@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 08:25:14 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Available resources under Windows In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990801110437.00a22500@pop.rcn.com> References: <4.2.0.58.19990801105507.00a294a0@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_30835704==_.ALT" List-Unsubscribe: --=====================_30835704==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:06 AM 8/1/99 , you wrote: >At 07:56 AM 8/1/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: >>On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, richard wrote: >> >> > At 07:47 AM 8/1/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: >> > > Oops, guess you missed that part... I have 256MB of RAM on a 770Z >> > >9549-8AU. I had 128MB RAM two days ago... Just upgraded two days ago >> > >using the $197 Crucial/Micron 128MB memory module... Funny thing is the >> > >> > Have you noticed any difference in performance between 128mb and 256mb? >> >> Not really... I thought it would increase the resources available >>but it didn't. > >AFAIK, win95/98 resources are limited to a fixed amount of memory no matter how much RAM you have. In Windows 9x, the "resources" are limited to 64K per GDI, User and System. In Windows 3.1, the same was true. The only reason that there are so much more resources available in Win9x then there were in Win 3.1 was that M$ changed their calculation between the two versions. In Win 3.1, the calculation was based on the idea that 100% available was 64K. In Win 9x, the calculation is based on the idea that 100% is the amount of the 64K RAM that is unused AFTER the kernel has booted. In other words, in Win 3.1, the kernel used resources. In Win 9x, the portion of the kernel used to boot the machine does NOT use resources. To put it another way, there isn't really a difference in the amount of available resources between Win 3.1 and Win 9x, only a difference in the way the calculations are done. --=====================_30835704==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 08:06 AM 8/1/99 , you wrote:
At 07:56 AM 8/1/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote:
On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, richard wrote:

> At 07:47 AM 8/1/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote:
> >         Oops, guess you missed that part...  I have 256MB of RAM on a 770Z
> >9549-8AU.  I had 128MB RAM two days ago...  Just upgraded two days ago
> >using the $197 Crucial/Micron 128MB memory module...  Funny thing is the
>
> Have you noticed any difference in performance between 128mb and 256mb?

        Not really... I thought it would increase the resources available
but it didn't.

AFAIK, win95/98 resources are limited to a fixed amount of memory no matter how much RAM you have.


In Windows 9x, the "resources" are limited to 64K per GDI, User and System. In Windows
3.1, the same was true. The only reason that there are so much more resources available
in Win9x then there were in Win 3.1 was that M$ changed their calculation between the
two versions. In Win 3.1, the calculation was based on the idea that 100% available
was 64K. In Win 9x, the calculation is based on the idea that 100% is the amount of
the 64K RAM that is unused AFTER the kernel has booted. In other words, in Win 3.1,
the kernel used resources. In Win 9x, the portion of the kernel used to boot the
machine does NOT use resources. To put it another way, there isn't really a difference
in the amount of available resources between Win 3.1 and Win 9x, only a difference
in the way the calculations are done.

--=====================_30835704==_.ALT-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 15:02:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA23205 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12913; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:54:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12532; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12514; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:54:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.10 -> imo20.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:54:48 -0400 Received: from Rous56@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id oUOKa28691 (4529) for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9fc84629.24d5f1b9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:53:45 EDT Subject: FS batteries for TP 700/720 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 List-Unsubscribe: I have 2 new batteries for TP 700 or 720. 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From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 19:02:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA01873 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19611; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:34:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19004; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18991; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:34:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA99820; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:31:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:31:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Harry Teszler cc: Thinkpad List Subject: RE: Voice modem program? In-Reply-To: <000001bedc2d$e61dbc20$867603cf@bqlzpsrt> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Harry Teszler wrote: Hello Harry and everyone, The 3Com 3CCFEM656B 10/100 LAN + 56k modem cardbus card. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Hello, all. > > Does anybody know about a PCMCIA voice/fax/data card that > would be compatible with Winfax 9 ? > > I did not know that cards with voice exist. > > Thanks in advance. > > > ***************************************************************** > Harry Teszler > > hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 > harryt@redfacil.com.uy > > Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 > +598 2 2003996 > > Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. > ***************************************************************** > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@icanect.net] > > Sent: domingo 1 de agosto de 1999 04:39 > > To: Paul Khoury > > Cc: ThinkPad List > > Subject: Re: Voice modem program? > > > > > > Paul.. > > > > you might try a later version of faxworks, as supplied on the 760 > > series machines.. > > > > i tried winfax 8 and the sound quality was terrible.. AND i had > > to get a PCMCIA voice/fax/data > > modem because the 701 modem was not supported by winfax 8.. > > > > now i use one 701C as an answering machine and it works fine.. > > BUT i also use win 3.1 (the original > > preload).. ! :-) > > it works just fine and its fairly fast.. well, fast enough..! > > > > Paul Khoury wrote: > > > > > I was trying to install the version of Faxworks that came with > > my 701 on my new installation of > > > Windows 95 (finally migrated from OS/2 to Win32 on that > > machine). Unfortunately, > > > the program is only 16 bit, and the install crashes. > > > > > > Does anyone have any recomendations for that machine, or a > > desktop, that mainly > > > has seperate mailboxes, and decent quality recording (11KHz or > > above preferred). > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your > > mileage will vary, Done on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 19:05:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA01897 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19794; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:38:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19124; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19102; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:38:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA99838; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:37:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: richard cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: resource meter (was: pc-card slot very hot on 770 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990801110437.00a22500@pop.rcn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, richard wrote: > At 07:56 AM 8/1/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > >On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, richard wrote: > > > > > At 07:47 AM 8/1/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > Oops, guess you missed that part... I have 256MB of RAM on a > > 770Z > > > >9549-8AU. I had 128MB RAM two days ago... Just upgraded two days ago > > > >using the $197 Crucial/Micron 128MB memory module... Funny thing is the > > > > > > Have you noticed any difference in performance between 128mb and 256mb? > > > > Not really... I thought it would increase the resources available > >but it didn't. > > AFAIK, win95/98 resources are limited to a fixed amount of memory no matter > how much RAM you have. Yes, that's true but on a desktop with the exact same programs running, 64 megs seems to give a lot more resources... Not to mention that I have more stuff running on the Desktop too... Same thing with my 385ED, it runs way better with 80 megs of ram than 128 megs of the 770Z. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 19:31:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA02077 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20972; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:07:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19905; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19892; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:07:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA99926; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:06:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:06:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: resource meter (was: pc-card slot very hot on 770 In-Reply-To: <37A46660.C12F9611@netzero.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > I tried to set the swap file to VRAMDIR but, nevertheless, > the system wrote it to C:. Moreover VRAMDIR makes a variable > size radmdrive and the idea was to partition RAM in 64KB for > the system RAM and 64KB for the swapfile. I used VRAMDIR before when it was Win95 OSR2,OSR2.1 and OSR2.5 and it actually worked better than Windows Virtual Memory Management except one application would not work with it giving the Blue Screen of Death. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 19:31:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA02083 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20980; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:04:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19752; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19738; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:04:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA99912; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:03:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:03:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu cc: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: resource meter (was: pc-card slot very hot on 770 In-Reply-To: <37A4648E.A4908DCB@netzero.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > Vincent Poy wrote: > > On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, richard wrote: > > > > At 07:47 AM 8/1/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > Oops, guess you missed that part... I have 256MB of RAM on a 770Z > > > >9549-8AU. I had 128MB RAM two days ago... Just upgraded two days ago > > > >using the $197 Crucial/Micron 128MB memory module... Funny thing is the > > > > > > Have you noticed any difference in performance between 128mb and 256mb? > > > > Not really... I thought it would increase the resources available > > but it didn't. > > I didn't find the resource meter to be much related to > performance, and now: what do you call performance? It does relate to performance since the more resources you have available, the easier the system will handle the load. > I'm running on Win95. That may be a reason too. What version of Win95 are you using? The original, OSR2, OSR2.1 or OSR2.5? > My preliminary data show that if I measure "performance" > by time for one iteration in the Prime95 program, > performance goes somewhat down when RAM is larger than > the cacheable RAM (64 KB in my case). RAM and resources are different since it seems that even though your RAM isn't used up, your resources are. > But if I measure "performance" by time to load a browser, > download a file, move a window around the screen, and "LESS > CRASHES PER DAY" then "more is better" (at least in the > range between 32 to 128 MB). Ofcourse... I think after 64MB, you don't really see a increase in speed. > When the system gets sluggish and I see no free RAM, I > reboot before waiting for a crash... I guess this was > the technique used in 1980 with timesharing mainframes > like the DEC-10. This would work if you weren't doing critical stuff like stock trading, rebooting can mean lost of thousands of dollars. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 19:31:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA02088 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20985; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:12:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20193; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20179; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:12:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA99965; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:12:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:12:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: David Goldman cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Available resources under Windows In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990801081605.00cf8cc0@shell9.ba.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, David Goldman wrote: > In Windows 9x, the "resources" are limited to 64K per GDI, User and > System. In Windows 3.1, the same was true. The only reason that there > are so much more resources available in Win9x then there were in Win > 3.1 was that M$ changed their calculation between the two versions. In > Win 3.1, the calculation was based on the idea that 100% available was > 64K. In Win 9x, the calculation is based on the idea that 100% is the > amount of the 64K RAM that is unused AFTER the kernel has booted. In > other words, in Win 3.1, the kernel used resources. In Win 9x, the > portion of the kernel used to boot the machine does NOT use resources. > To put it another way, there isn't really a difference in the amount > of available resources between Win 3.1 and Win 9x, only a difference > in the way the calculations are done. Actually, what you say may be true but with 3 different machines running the same programs during bootup, the results are different. My Desktop running Win95OSR2.5 manages resources fairly well with the 128 megs of ram since there is still a lot of resources available after bootup. My 385ED running the Win95 OSR2.5 and Win98 Government Edition (this is the one that isn't stripped down) has 80 megs of RAM and runs all the applications even better than my desktop. The 770Z with the Win98 preload is the problem. I have everything exactly identical as the 385ED since I checked in msconfig and with 128 megs of RAM, resources disappear fast after bootup. Same thing with 256 megs of ram. There is a known memory leak problem in Win98 of resource management that Win95 does better in. I wonder if the Government version has less bugs as well since atleast that version works. Another thing is that it is known that Win98's virtual memory management is very buggy so that may be a source of the resource leak. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 1 19:32:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA02094 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20998; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:25:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20600; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.t1.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20587; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.t1.com (206.109.6.133 -> t1.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:24:56 -0400 Received: from [206.109.6.1] by mail.t1.com (NTMail 3.03.0014/12.aabn) with ESMTP id va368805 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:28:18 -0500 Message-ID: <37A4D737.5A50AED8@t1.com> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 18:24:54 -0500 From: Patrick Griggs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 00:32:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA04857 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01862; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:31:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01755; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01735; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:30:54 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-374.gate.net [199.227.131.183]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA213824; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:30:53 -0400 Message-ID: <37A51EE9.661E593F@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 00:30:33 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Marvin Nakayama , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: pc-card slot very hot on 770 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: my 770Z does not hang with an IBM etherjet card installed.. AND, it does'nt run hot at all..! Vincent Poy wrote: > Speaking about ethernet cards, is it just me or does the 770Z hang > in win98 during shutdown with the network card in the PCMCIA slot? Also, > for those users who load a lot of stuff after bootup and getting on the > net, can they let me know what Resource Meter under Accessories -> System > Tools in Win98 reports for GSI, System and User Resources available? > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 00:41:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA04938 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02554; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:40:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02477; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02462; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:40:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01071; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:39:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:39:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Marvin Nakayama , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: pc-card slot very hot on 770 In-Reply-To: <37A51EE9.661E593F@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: The IBM EtherJet card is actually a Xircom card... I've tried both the 3Com 3CCFEM556B and the 3CCFEM656B. Only reason I'm using 3Com is because the modems are USR based.. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > my 770Z does not hang with an IBM etherjet card installed.. > AND, it does'nt run hot at all..! > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > Speaking about ethernet cards, is it just me or does the 770Z hang > > in win98 during shutdown with the network card in the PCMCIA slot? Also, > > for those users who load a lot of stuff after bootup and getting on the > > net, can they let me know what Resource Meter under Accessories -> System > > Tools in Win98 reports for GSI, System and User Resources available? > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 01:04:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA05130 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03332; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:57:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03254; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03240; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:57:05 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-374.gate.net [199.227.131.183]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA94670; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:42:24 -0400 Message-ID: <37A5219A.5E8DE2C8@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 00:42:03 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rous56@aol.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FS batteries for TP 700/720 References: <9fc84629.24d5f1b9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: new = produced within the last few months are these NEW or old stock..?? Rous56@aol.com wrote: > I have 2 new batteries for TP 700 or 720. Asking $50 ea. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 01:23:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA05336 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04531; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:21:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04449; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04433; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:21:41 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-374.gate.net [199.227.131.183]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA176846; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:21:42 -0400 Message-ID: <37A52AD2.47B14FB2@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:21:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Marvin Nakayama , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: pc-card slot very hot on 770 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: in any event, mine don't seem to get hot.. i've had 3-com cards in there too.. in fact, the ibm (xircom - no surprise here) works really well.. machine finds the network every time.. from suspend, hibernate and disconnection when i walk from one place to another.. its rather surprising that it works so well.. the #$%^&*&^%$ing 760ED can't find itself, ever, well, almost never, on the LAN, but it can find the other machines.. (its using a 3-com card, but i think thats not its problem, i think win95B is the problem on that machine..) Vincent Poy wrote: > On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > The IBM EtherJet card is actually a Xircom card... I've tried > both the 3Com 3CCFEM556B and the 3CCFEM656B. Only reason I'm using 3Com > is because the modems are USR based.. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > my 770Z does not hang with an IBM etherjet card installed.. > > AND, it does'nt run hot at all..! > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > Speaking about ethernet cards, is it just me or does the 770Z hang > > > in win98 during shutdown with the network card in the PCMCIA slot? Also, > > > for those users who load a lot of stuff after bootup and getting on the > > > net, can they let me know what Resource Meter under Accessories -> System > > > Tools in Win98 reports for GSI, System and User Resources available? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > > Done on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 01:26:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA05366 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04881; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:25:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04780; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04767; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:24:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01197; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:24:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:24:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Marvin Nakayama , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: pc-card slot very hot on 770 In-Reply-To: <37A52AD2.47B14FB2@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > in any event, mine don't seem to get hot.. Mine doesn't either.... My cards only got hot in the 385ED. > i've had 3-com cards in there too.. > > in fact, the ibm (xircom - no surprise here) works really well.. > machine finds the network every time.. from suspend, hibernate and > disconnection when i walk from one place to another.. its rather > surprising that it works so well.. I think the Xircom's are good.... 3Com is only good for the modems.. > the #$%^&*&^%$ing 760ED can't find itself, ever, well, almost never, > on the LAN, but it can find the other machines.. (its using a 3-com > card, but i think thats not its problem, i think win95B is the problem > on that machine..) Hmmm, that's strange... Is it a CardBus card? Microsoft has a patch for Win95 that gives it support for CardBus on 3Com's site. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 01:49:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA05592 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06022; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:48:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05942; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05919; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:48:05 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-374.gate.net [199.227.131.183]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA114540; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:48:13 -0400 Message-ID: <37A53109.E22ED683@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:47:53 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Marvin Nakayama , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: pc-card slot very hot on 770 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince... Vincent Poy wrote: **SNIP** > I think the Xircom's are good.... 3Com is only good for the > modems.. > i try only for the top brand names.. less trouble that way.. > > the #$%^&*&^%$ing 760ED can't find itself, ever, well, almost never, > > on the LAN, but it can find the other machines.. (its using a 3-com > > card, but i think thats not its problem, i think win95B is the problem > > on that machine..) > > Hmmm, that's strange... Is it a CardBus card? Microsoft has a > patch for Win95 that gives it support for CardBus on 3Com's site. > i don't think this is a NIC issue..its got to be win9x.. machine sees the other machines on the LAN but not itself, and the others don't see it..! once it DID see itself, but that lasted only for a few hours, then it changed, literally right in front of me.. it was no longer there..!! nothing seems to get it back to seeing itself.. win9x must store the names of the various machines that are on the net, because some are listed, even though they are not running.. all very annoying.. i'll try reloading to win98Se and see if that helps.. more wasted time! ohhhh, for a good OS that would just stay the way you leave it and not change itself ona capricious whim..! :-) > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 01:51:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA05616 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06273; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:49:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06087; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06070; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:49:21 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-374.gate.net [199.227.131.183]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA263182; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:49:19 -0400 Message-ID: <37A5314A.A2ADB994@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:48:58 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: pc-card slot very hot on 770 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I think an exciting game of solitare is in order..!! :-) -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 02:06:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA06289 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07212; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:00:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07136; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07112; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:00:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01378; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:00:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:00:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: pc-card slot very hot on 770 In-Reply-To: <37A5314A.A2ADB994@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > I think an exciting game of solitare is in order..!! :-) I vote for Tetris!! =) Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 02:07:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA06302 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07726; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:06:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07647; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07632; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:06:27 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-374.gate.net [199.227.131.183]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA206058; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:06:28 -0400 Message-ID: <37A53550.6D59221F@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 02:06:08 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: pc-card slot very hot on 770 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i quit active day trading because it was way too exciting.. especially with real money and MY money to boot..!! so, for me, solitare is as exciting as i need.. :-) and if i want more exciting, i'll go play with my bobcat skid loader and move a few yards of dirt..! Vincent Poy wrote: > On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > I think an exciting game of solitare is in order..!! :-) > > I vote for Tetris!! =) > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 02:28:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA06544 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08459; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:21:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08381; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08366; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:21:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01441; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:21:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:21:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Marvin Nakayama , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: pc-card slot very hot on 770 In-Reply-To: <37A53109.E22ED683@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Bill... > > I think the Xircom's are good.... 3Com is only good for the > > modems.. > > i try only for the top brand names.. less trouble that way.. That's tre... USR makes the best modems I think and 3Com bought them out. I guess I always end up getting combo NIC/Modem cards. > > > the #$%^&*&^%$ing 760ED can't find itself, ever, well, almost never, > > > on the LAN, but it can find the other machines.. (its using a 3-com > > > card, but i think thats not its problem, i think win95B is the problem > > > on that machine..) > > > > Hmmm, that's strange... Is it a CardBus card? Microsoft has a > > patch for Win95 that gives it support for CardBus on 3Com's site. > > i don't think this is a NIC issue..its got to be win9x.. machine sees > the other machines on the LAN but not itself, and the others don't see > it..! Hmmm, maybe you should call 3Com at 1-800-638-3266. > once it DID see itself, but that lasted only for a few hours, then it > changed, literally right in front of me.. it was no longer there..!! > nothing seems to get it back to seeing itself.. This is interesting... Try going to the following link anyways: http://dcms.3com.com/softwarelibrary/dosearch.wbs?hdnCategory=Notebook+PC+Cards&CATEGORY=Notebook+PC+Cards&FAMILY=Notebook+LAN+Only+PC+Cards&btnSearch=Continue&Keywords= > win9x must store the names of the various machines that are on the > net, because some are listed, even though they are not running.. Yeah, Win9x has a DNS cache and even when the DNS is updated, it still uses the old info for two days.. > all very annoying.. i'll try reloading to win98Se and see if that > helps.. more wasted time! ohhhh, for a good OS that would just stay > the way you leave it and not change itself ona capricious whim..! > :-) Yep, let everyone know how Win98SE is.. hehe. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 02:29:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA06553 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08649; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:22:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08551; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08518; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:22:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01451; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:22:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:22:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: pc-card slot very hot on 770 In-Reply-To: <37A53550.6D59221F@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > i quit active day trading because it was way too exciting.. > especially with real money and MY money to boot..!! Hehe, that's the problem.. It's too exciting and I still have school and running a ISP is not exactly easy. hehe > so, for me, solitare is as exciting as i need.. :-) and if i want > more exciting, i'll go play with my bobcat skid loader and move a few > yards of dirt..! Hehe! Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 02:41:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA06664 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09550; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:34:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09470; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09457; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.39 -> mail4.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:34:17 -0400 Received: (qmail 23208 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 1999 06:34:13 -0000 Received: from pppa19-tucson20-5r692.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.205.65) by mail4.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 06:34:13 -0000 Message-ID: <37A53BA8.5BDF8FB7@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 23:33:12 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Resources, performance and RAM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Shattering results, caution: broken window-glass (pun very much intended): Continuation of this morning discussion on performance of Win95 OSR2.0, on a TP770-1AU (with 64MB cacheable RAM): The online load was too variable and the resource meter useless for my purpose, so I changed strategy. I standardized running all that I had earlier listed on my systray, plus the following apps with displays on the desktop: Wintop and 4 browser windows: 1 IExplorer, 2 Netscape Navigator, 1 Lynx. The benchmarks were done on the results of programs running in the background (Prime95 and SETI@HOME), without GUI display during the run. SETI@HOME runs 10% slower at 128 MB than at 64 MB RAM. Prime95 (not so easy to measure), at least 5% slower for same RAM range. GUI performance, or "shattering glass" conclusion: dragging windows with the tackpoint, reshaping, resizing, invoquing new instances of a browser, etc, in summary loading any GUI interface went from sluggish to snappy by increasing RAM from 64 to 128 MB. (How could I had ever have used 32 MB as I did during 1 year?) So, if one doesn't need an interface with images, stay within the cacheable limit, otherwise, exchange lower computational performance for higher GUI performance. How to choose how much total RAM? It seems that it depends on how many concurrent GUI interfaces are running and how large and frequent are the memory leaks. I found useful a little program that tells me how much physical RAM is free (the System Monitor in the Accessories programs of Win95 can also be set to show this value), and unload apps or reboot as to keep some MB of free RAM always available. I haven't been able to write the swapfile to a ramdrive. If somebody knows how, let me know, please. JC, not playing solitaire like others... == ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 03:03:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA06771 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 03:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10279; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:55:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10201; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10188; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:55:52 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26747.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.228]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA08925 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <046501bedcb3$e1539300$e456e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: FA: 760EL's, 24x CD-ROM for 770, 20x CD-ROM for 760.765, DVD-ROM adapter for 770/770E Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:54:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I have a number of 760EL's for auction at eBay. You can view my auctions (and feedback) by going to the following link: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/myeyesaintblue I do use this discussion group to do other than posting items for sale (which I only do sporadically). I certainly wouldn't want to be labeled a SPAMmer. If my postings are being frowned upon, please let me know and I will cease and desist. Sincerely, Carlos de la Puente From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 03:56:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA06946 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 03:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17586; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 03:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 03:47:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17501; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 03:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17488; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 03:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 03:47:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01835; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:46:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:46:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu cc: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Resources, performance and RAM In-Reply-To: <37A53BA8.5BDF8FB7@netzero.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > Shattering results, caution: broken window-glass (pun > very much intended): > > Continuation of this morning discussion on performance of > Win95 OSR2.0, on a TP770-1AU (with 64MB cacheable RAM): > > The online load was too variable and the resource meter > useless for my purpose, so I changed strategy. Yep, the resource meter seems to drain resources on it's own. > I standardized running all that I had earlier listed > on my systray, plus the following apps with displays on > the desktop: Wintop and 4 browser windows: 1 IExplorer, > 2 Netscape Navigator, 1 Lynx. How did you run Lynx in Windows since isn't lynx only a Unix text browser? > The benchmarks were done on the results of programs > running in the background (Prime95 and SETI@HOME), > without GUI display during the run. > > SETI@HOME runs 10% slower at 128 MB than at 64 MB RAM. > Prime95 (not so easy to measure), at least 5% slower for > same RAM range. Interesting... What chipset does your notebook use and what CPU? > GUI performance, or "shattering glass" conclusion: dragging > windows with the tackpoint, reshaping, resizing, invoquing > new instances of a browser, etc, in summary loading any > GUI interface went from sluggish to snappy by increasing > RAM from 64 to 128 MB. (How could I had ever have used 32 MB > as I did during 1 year?) No idea, I know on my 385ED, the 16MB didn't last me more than 3 days and I ran out and got a 64 meg module to make it 80 total. > So, if one doesn't need an interface with images, stay > within the cacheable limit, otherwise, exchange lower > computational performance for higher GUI performance. > How to choose how much total RAM? It seems that it > depends on how many concurrent GUI interfaces are > running and how large and frequent are the memory > leaks. I found useful a little program that tells me > how much physical RAM is free (the System Monitor in > the Accessories programs of Win95 can also be set to > show this value), and unload apps or reboot as to keep > some MB of free RAM always available. Hmmm, I always seem to have the RAM, it's the GUI and User resources that are draining. > I haven't been able to write the swapfile to a ramdrive. > If somebody knows how, let me know, please. > > JC, not playing solitaire like others... Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 04:17:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA07028 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21504; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:16:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21417; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21401; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.37 -> mail2.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:16:34 -0400 Received: (qmail 12885 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 1999 08:16:30 -0000 Received: from pppa69-tucson1-5r79.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.221.115) by mail2.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 08:16:30 -0000 Message-ID: <37A553A4.6FEB5C64@netzero.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:15:32 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, morrow@penzance.icanect.net Subject: Re: Resources, performance and RAM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vincent Poy wrote: ................ > How did you run Lynx in Windows since isn't lynx only a Unix text > browser? It has been ported to Win 32bit versions and Win 3.1, DOS, Mac, etc. I run it on a Win95 window. > Interesting... What chipset does your notebook use and what CPU? Intel 430TX PCIset and Pentium MMX-233 > > RAM from 64 to 128 MB. (How could I had ever have used 32 MB > > as I did during 1 year?) > > No idea, I know on my 385ED, the 16MB didn't last me more than 3 > days and I ran out and got a 64 meg module to make it 80 total. Simple, I didn't have $$$ left... after buying the computer... JC === ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 04:20:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA07055 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21862; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:19:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21734; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21699; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:19:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01966; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:18:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:18:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, morrow@penzance.icanect.net Subject: Re: Resources, performance and RAM In-Reply-To: <37A553A4.6FEB5C64@netzero.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > How did you run Lynx in Windows since isn't lynx only a Unix text > > browser? > > It has been ported to Win 32bit versions and Win 3.1, DOS, Mac, etc. > I run it on a Win95 window. Hmmm, a text based browser for win would actually be strange. > > Interesting... What chipset does your notebook use and what CPU? > > Intel 430TX PCIset and Pentium MMX-233 That's the reason.... Only the 430HX Triton can cache above 64 meg up to 512Meg. The 430FX, 430MX, 430TX all cache only 64 megs of ram and if you add more than 64 megs, there will be no caching at all. > > > RAM from 64 to 128 MB. (How could I had ever have used 32 MB > > > as I did during 1 year?) > > > > No idea, I know on my 385ED, the 16MB didn't last me more than 3 > > days and I ran out and got a 64 meg module to make it 80 total. > > Simple, I didn't have $$$ left... after buying the computer... That's true too... Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 04:27:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA07093 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22622; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:26:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22535; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22517; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.37 -> mail2.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:26:40 -0400 Received: (qmail 12695 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 1999 08:26:35 -0000 Received: from pppa69-tucson1-5r79.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.221.115) by mail2.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 08:26:35 -0000 Message-ID: <37A555FF.537AAC15@netzero.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:25:35 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Resources, performance and RAM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vincent Poy wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > > > How did you run Lynx in Windows since isn't lynx only a Unix text > > > browser? > > > > It has been ported to Win 32bit versions and Win 3.1, DOS, Mac, etc. > > I run it on a Win95 window. > > Hmmm, a text based browser for win would actually be strange. OOPS! I meant a DOS window running on Win95 .............................. ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 05:40:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA07379 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00512; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:39:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00424; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00408; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:39:07 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p34.hwts23.loop.net [207.211.65.145]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA21018; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908020940.CAA21018@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Cc: "Tony Wright" Date: Mon, 02 Aug 99 02:37:21 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP760ED - Unable to Hibernate List-Unsubscribe: >Thats interesting but no doubt just coincidental, cos while I was piddling around with APMon >OS/2 looking at a problem someone else had, my old TP755CEX suspend and hibernation just >started exhibiting similar symptoms..... Hmmmm. > Just an update to the list - ironically (which was not suggested by IBM, hmmm...), updating the BIOS solved the problem on Warp 4. NT 4 still won't hibernate, but at least it attempts to create the file (for once). I'm waiting to get my copy of Win2K (from a Microsoft Seminar I plan on attending later this month). Any thoughts on Win2K, especially on any of the 76x machines? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 05:43:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA07388 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00836; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:42:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00728; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00714; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:42:49 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p34.hwts23.loop.net [207.211.65.145]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA21076 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908020944.CAA21076@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 02 Aug 99 02:41:06 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: DVD for 760's? List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know if a DVD drive exists for the 760(ED)? I heard something >from an IBM rep, but I was never able to verify it... I know this system does have a hardware MPEG decoder built-in, though. And I do see an option for DVD-2 in the test menu in EZSetup (though I think this is for a docking station option). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 11:47:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA10266 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09919; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:07:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09819; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09741; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (206.146.7.2 -> rattler.gtfc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:07:38 -0400 Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (root@localhost) by rattler.gtfc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24134; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:07:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from csc.com ([10.1.11.49]) by rattler.gtfc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24130; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:07:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37A597E7.66CED65E@csc.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 08:06:47 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Resources, performance and RAM References: <37A53BA8.5BDF8FB7@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I would abandon the idea of putting the swapfile in a ramdrive. The overhead of running the ramdrive and swapfile would seem to be much greater than straight memory access. Just let the PC use the total memory and a standard disk-based swap file. Rob Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: [snip] > I haven't been able to write the swapfile to a ramdrive. > If somebody knows how, let me know, please. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 11:47:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA10270 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10718; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:17:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10625; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10609; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:17:12 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) with SMTP id JAA11905 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908021317.JAA11905@vixen.cs.utk.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: vixen.cs.utk.edu: LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: So what about the tree? In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:33:24 -0400. <199907291820.OAA15106@pike.sover.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 09:17:10 -0400 From: Judi Theg Talley List-Unsubscribe: It's off the house! It's even out of the yard! I have tarp all over my roof, and there are many dead things in my yard from the removal process. I'll have the pictures up tonight (I left them at home, darn it). We have had many storms and my damage was relatively minor, so it'll be a few weeks before they can fix everything. Let's hear it for 50 year old houses with solid construction! I have compression fractures in my plaster (including one impressive dent in the LR wall) but no broken beams or roof deck! Of course, the shingles, gutters, and trim are history... I spent the weekend cleaning up from the removal, but I'm very impressed with the way my house took a licking. So far I'm very impressed with AllState, too. The storms are over for a while, too. We have NORTH winds today (very odd for Aug). Power problems are now plaguing us: UT lost power several times over the weekend for "no apparent reason." I apologize for being out of the loop for the last few days. It's been kinda hectic! Now if I can just get the home computer (Dell w/98) to stop barfing on network transfers. (Kids installed something, now I have problems...) I hate having to work completely from work! letoured@sover.net spoke thusly: > > >Did I mention, I have a tree on my house? > > So tell us about the tree. > > > _____________ > letoured@sover.net > Judi --- Judi Theg Talley http://www.cs.utk.edu/~judi/ There are no good system administrators, merely temporarily satisfied users. --Tim Martin From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 2 13:19:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA11330 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28424; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:13:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27823; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bettina.informatik.uni-bremen.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27798; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bettina.informatik.uni-bremen.de (134.102.200.16 -> bettina.informatik.uni-bremen.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:13:40 -0400 Received: from henker-eth.home.informatik.uni-bremen.de (postfix@henker.home.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.219.172]) by bettina.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA18929 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:13:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from henker-eth.home.informatik.uni-bremen.de (henker-eth.home.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.217.97]) by henker-eth.home.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840F51033; Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:12:15 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:12:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: Steffan Henke X-Sender: henker@henker-eth.home.informatik.uni-bremen.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Cell phones In-Reply-To: <199907312228.RAA10080@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 31 Jul 1999, Allan Ballard wrote: > on com2. I use it to check Compuserve while > logged on to my ISP on com2, doing other > things. Have you installed the NDS under OS/2 yet ? I doubt it will be working since it it so Win95 dependant... I have tried to install it under an early version of vmware under Linux but have not had success either. Nonetheless it works fine under Win95... Regards, Steffan -- ... Our continuing mission: To seek out knowledge of C, to explore strange UNIX commands, and to boldly code where no one has man page 4. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Aug 2 23:25:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA03209 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:25:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07358; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:21:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07034; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.zbzoom.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06755; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.zbzoom.net (208.236.36.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:21:09 -0400 Received: from tomscomputer (118.tcg3.tcg.dialup.nauticom.net [209.195.138.118]) by ns1.zbzoom.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id WAA26256 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Thomas A. Jones" To: Subject: How to unsubscribe? Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:09:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bedd55$34fce460$768ac3d1@tomscomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Please give me proper address to do so.. Thanks, T Jones --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 00:17:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA03464 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:17:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09342; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:56:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09226; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09188; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.7 -> dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:56:19 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA12857 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:12:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908030012.TAA12857@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga11-53.ix.netcom.com(207.95.118.181) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma012794; Mon Aug 2 19:12:22 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 20:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Cell phones List-Unsubscribe: Not yet. I loaded WARP but screwed it up and need a spare Saturday morning to reload. So far, I have been locked down trying to figure out why my sound went away...Maybe I can at least try NDS on windose95 by the week's end. On Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:12:12 +0200 (MET DST), Steffan Henke wrote: >On Sat, 31 Jul 1999, Allan Ballard wrote: > >> on com2. I use it to check Compuserve while >> logged on to my ISP on com2, doing other >> things. > >Have you installed the NDS under OS/2 yet ? I doubt it will be working >since it it so Win95 dependant... I have tried to install it under an >early version of vmware under Linux but have not had success either. >Nonetheless it works fine under Win95... > >Regards, > >Steffan > > >-- >... Our continuing mission: To seek out knowledge of C, to explore >strange UNIX commands, and to boldly code where no one has man page 4. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 06:25:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA04570 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:25:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05500; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:23:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05381; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05366; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (199.222.42.2 -> malasada.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:22:51 -0400 Received: from lava.net([207.26.192.124]) (1616 bytes) by malasada.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:52:25 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Jun-23) Message-ID: <37A6AD86.198D8DD5@lava.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:51:18 -1000 From: Keith Wong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 701c upgrades Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: --Hello, I've just purchased a used 701c "butterfly" Thinkpad. I was wondering if anyone had upgraded their processor from "www.portables.com"? They offer a AMD 5x86 upgrade that would bring the little butterfly up to the speed of a pentium 75mhz processor. This company seems to be really professional and knowledgeable, but I would just like some customer comments. If any of you have done this upgrade on the butterfly, could you tell me how the machine is? Is it worth the upgrade? Does all modern software work on the machine after the software? Is it reliable? Any heat problems? Do demanding applications (office97, winfax, netscape) crash more or less than before? I realize this machine is outdated, and expensive to get up to useable speeds, but I like the novelty of it, and the fact that it was one of the few laptops to win an "engineering?" award. I mean sure a Lotus with a V-8 has over 300ponies, but the old one with only 4 cylinders and it's soft "whirrrrr" is much more novel. Anyhow, this is Keith from Honolulu, Hawaii saying greetings to everyone on the list. Thanks in advance for your responses. --Keith --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 08:19:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA04874 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:19:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09979; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:17:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09863; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09839; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:17:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA13689; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:17:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:17:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: "Thomas A. Jones" cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How to unsubscribe? In-Reply-To: <000001bedd55$34fce460$768ac3d1@tomscomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Thomas A. Jones wrote: > Please give me proper address to do so.. > > Thanks, List-Unsubscribe: mailto: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe You're welcome, Bruce Komar --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 09:56:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA05181 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:56:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16726; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:51:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16505; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from silverline.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16403; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from silverline.com (38.254.90.1 -> gate.silverline.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:50:26 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by silverline.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA27242 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(38.254.81.136) by gate.silverline.com via smap (3.2) id xma027190; Tue, 3 Aug 99 10:09:03 -0400 From: "A Kumar" To: Subject: 570 the little things Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:50:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000001beddb7$24e147d0$8851fe26@thinkpad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: My mom just got a 570 and I have been playing with it and found a few things that I thought were odd. 1)The notebook isn't covered in the rubbery material like other ThinkPads 2)It doesn't have the "ThinkPad bios" with the duck pointer. The only other ThinkPad that I have seen without it was the 701. With the 701 you could bring up the bios when ever you needed it(very cool) 3)Hibernating works even if there is a network card in the notebook 4)Hibernating seems quicker then my 600, both going into and waking up from. After using it for a while I have gotten used to the new material and like the way it doesn't get dirty like my 600. I also like the fact that you can hibernate with a network card in the computer, does anyone know how to do this with a 600? I don't like the new bios its like the generic BIOS's you find in other computers. Just looking for comments about these points. A Kumar --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 10:39:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA05389 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:39:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19388; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:36:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19203; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19189; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:36:44 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.78.192.58]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19990803143642.YOYX10212@worldnet.att.net> for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:36:42 +0000 Message-ID: <37A6FD4C.4C3B0F24@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:31:40 -0400 From: Ira Hyman Reply-To: ihyman@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: I Need some help !!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've recently installed Caldera 2.2 on my Thinkpad Model 755CE, I found out which video card it uses ,but i get an error message of 111 when I start kde. Do you know what the settings are supposed to be in XF86Setup ? I have loaded VGA_16 and SVGA in the right directory. Any help is greatly appreciated, Ira ! --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 13:23:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA06183 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:23:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02541; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:22:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02389; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eagle.sac.verio.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02343; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eagle.sac.verio.net (207.159.5.20 -> eagle.sac.verio.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:21:58 -0400 Received: from maxhome (pm06-26.sac.verio.net [209.162.64.233]) by eagle.sac.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA18482; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002e01beddd5$ae83d340$e940a2d1@maxhome> From: "Douglas Hirsch, Maximum Upgrades" To: "Keith Wong" Cc: Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:27:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Keith, If you'd like the TP701C running at 133MHz with the write-back cache feature enabled, let me know. Maximum Upgrades offers that CPU upgrade for $298 US. Norton SI benchmarks show a CPU speed increase from 95.4 to 287.9. I don't think Leonard offers anything that fast. Best wishes, Douglas Hirsch Internet Support Maximum Upgrades tel (916) 361-2870 P.O. Box 276945 fax (916) 361-2880 Sacramento, CA 95827 http://www.maxup.com djhirsch@maxup.com "Software Bloat Solutions" (c) -----Original Message----- From: Keith Wong To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 1:51 AM Subject: Thinkpad 701c upgrades > >--Hello, I've just purchased a used 701c "butterfly" Thinkpad. I was >wondering if anyone had upgraded their processor from >"www.portables.com"? They offer a AMD 5x86 upgrade that would bring the >little butterfly up to the speed of a pentium 75mhz processor. This >company seems to be really professional and knowledgeable, but I would >just like some customer comments. If any of you have done this upgrade >on the butterfly, could you tell me how the machine is? Is it worth the >upgrade? Does all modern software work on the machine after the >software? Is it reliable? Any heat problems? Do demanding >applications (office97, winfax, netscape) crash more or less than >before? > I realize this machine is outdated, and expensive to get up to >useable speeds, but I like the novelty of it, and the fact that it was >one of the few laptops to win an "engineering?" award. I mean sure a >Lotus with a V-8 has over 300ponies, but the old one with only 4 >cylinders and it's soft "whirrrrr" is much more novel. Anyhow, this is >Keith from Honolulu, Hawaii saying greetings to everyone on the list. >Thanks in advance for your responses. > > --Keith > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 13:25:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA06187 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:25:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02770; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:23:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02606; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02569; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:23:40 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-124.gate.net [199.227.20.187]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA375890; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:23:50 -0400 Message-ID: <37A72591.C4C8185@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:23:29 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: A Kumar CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 the little things References: <000001beddb7$24e147d0$8851fe26@thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I was surprised at the change in the bios on the one 570 i have seen.. this might be a new way ibm has chosen, but i have not heard anything... that 570 is now with its happy customer in italy.. :-) A Kumar wrote: > My mom just got a 570 and I have been playing with it and found a few things > that I thought were odd. > 1)The notebook isn't covered in the rubbery material like other ThinkPads > 2)It doesn't have the "ThinkPad bios" with the duck pointer. The only other > ThinkPad that I have seen without it was the 701. With the 701 you could > bring up the bios when ever you needed it(very cool) > 3)Hibernating works even if there is a network card in the notebook > 4)Hibernating seems quicker then my 600, both going into and waking up from. > > After using it for a while I have gotten used to the new material and like > the way it doesn't get dirty like my 600. I also like the fact that you can > hibernate with a network card in the computer, does anyone know how to do > this with a 600? I don't like the new bios its like the generic BIOS's you > find in other computers. > > Just looking for comments about these points. > > A Kumar -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 13:30:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA06230 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:30:01 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03501; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:26:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03267; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03223; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:26:41 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-124.gate.net [199.227.20.187]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA13132; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:26:46 -0400 Message-ID: <37A72642.6CD71853@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:26:26 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Keith Wong CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades References: <37A6AD86.198D8DD5@lava.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Keith.. Leonard is OK.. he'll do the upgrade and stand behind it.. i got him to do one for one of my 701C machines and its faster, but my time is so limited i have not had time to do more than just an initial boot up and a few tests which DO show a speed increase, over the 486/75 chip.. Keith Wong wrote: > --Hello, I've just purchased a used 701c "butterfly" Thinkpad. I was > wondering if anyone had upgraded their processor from > "www.portables.com"? They offer a AMD 5x86 upgrade that would bring the > little butterfly up to the speed of a pentium 75mhz processor. This > company seems to be really professional and knowledgeable, but I would > just like some customer comments. If any of you have done this upgrade > on the butterfly, could you tell me how the machine is? Is it worth the > upgrade? Does all modern software work on the machine after the > software? Is it reliable? Any heat problems? Do demanding > applications (office97, winfax, netscape) crash more or less than > before? > I realize this machine is outdated, and expensive to get up to > useable speeds, but I like the novelty of it, and the fact that it was > one of the few laptops to win an "engineering?" award. I mean sure a > Lotus with a V-8 has over 300ponies, but the old one with only 4 > cylinders and it's soft "whirrrrr" is much more novel. Anyhow, this is > Keith from Honolulu, Hawaii saying greetings to everyone on the list. > Thanks in advance for your responses. > > --Keith -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 15:57:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA07077 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:57:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16762; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:55:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16561; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16545; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (128.118.141.35 -> f04s07.cac.psu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:55:38 -0400 Received: from 253137 (253137.hbg.psu.edu [146.186.253.137]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA98368; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:55:34 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990803151147.00922930@mail.psu.edu> X-Sender: rfm@mail.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:55:29 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Robert F. Munzenrider" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades Cc: pirate@lava.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Upgrading a 701 CPU? There was a flurry of notes about same a year or so ago. I seem to recall that the general opinion was that the upgrade wasn't really worth it price/performance-wise. But still.... I have a 701 486/75, Win95, which is in fine shape (Nobody's ever attempted to pick it up by the keyboard!); 40 megs RAM, a 4-gig hard drive (I've already done some upgrading with portables.com & no complaints). My 701 is fine for text-based work (word processing, etc), but it's so slooowww to boot, and even slooowwwer to process graphic images. Last spring at a conference I was attending I hooked it up to a projector so a guy could show a PowerPoint presentation he had worked up. One of the slides contained a rather complex map - a map of Pennsylvania overlayed with networks of T1 & fibre-optic cables, with some nodes indicated, etc. It took over a minute (maybe 2???) for my trusty little 701 to form the image. I had never seen the presentation before, so my first thought was that my 701 had crashed.... The Norton Utilities benchmark programs rates my 701-486/75 as 7.6 times faster that a 386/SX-16 - WOW! PIII/500 mhz systems rate in around 500 times faster.... I seem to recall that an AMD K5/100 gets rated as something around 25 or 30? Slow by today's systems, but better than a 7.6. I am intrigued (& have been for a while) at the thought of blowing $300 for the AMD K5/100 upgrade (or better yet, getting my school to pay for it!). Cost effective? Perhaps, but in a sort of non-linear way. Street value of a stock 701 is only around $300. You can buy new notebooks that are a LOT faster for @ $1500 or so. But for me, if I could get decent performance out of my machine for another year or two for only $300 (I don't use it day-in/day-out) it might be worth it. -- Obviously, the weakest link in my sloppy thinking is the assumption that the machine is gonna hold up for another couple of years. Another tenuous aspect of my reasoning is what I take to be "decent performance." Otherwise, most problematic components of the 701 (IMHO) - the battery, external power supply, the TFT screen, and the keyboard (if one isn't careful) seem fine. (The screen is 640x480 resolution, but that's ok with me.) I better shut up before I talk myself out of considering spending $300 on the machine.... Bob Munzenrider Penn State Harrisburg >--Hello, I've just purchased a used 701c "butterfly" Thinkpad. I was >wondering if anyone had upgraded their processor from >"www.portables.com"? They offer a AMD 5x86 upgrade that would bring the >little butterfly up to the speed of a pentium 75mhz processor. This >company seems to be really professional and knowledgeable, but I would >just like some customer comments. If any of you have done this upgrade >on the butterfly, could you tell me how the machine is? Is it worth the >upgrade? Does all modern software work on the machine after the >software? Is it reliable? Any heat problems? Do demanding >applications (office97, winfax, netscape) crash more or less than >before? > I realize this machine is outdated, and expensive to get up to >useable speeds, but I like the novelty of it, and the fact that it was >one of the few laptops to win an "engineering?" award. I mean sure a >Lotus with a V-8 has over 300ponies, but the old one with only 4 >cylinders and it's soft "whirrrrr" is much more novel. Anyhow, this is >Keith from Honolulu, Hawaii saying greetings to everyone on the list. >Thanks in advance for your responses. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 16:19:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA07189 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:19:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19374; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:16:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19133; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.atl.bellsouth.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19113; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.atl.bellsouth.net (205.152.0.27 -> mail0.atl.bellsouth.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:16:22 -0400 Received: from 770ed (host-209-215-50-34.ahn.bellsouth.net [209.215.50.34]) by mail0.atl.bellsouth.net (3.3.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA25140 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990803161624.007a47c0@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> X-Sender: wwgraves@mail.lig.bellsouth.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:16:24 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: WWG Subject: New 240 and recovery disk irritation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Just got my new 240 yesterday. First impressions are its small! The keyboard 'feels' great, the tactile sensation is nearly perfect, the key pitch is a bit small to be completely comfortable, but it's a worthy tradeoff. Some of the non-letter keys are in odd spots, the tab key is small and below its usual location, the enter key is small and the function keys are half sized. Despite the whining I am very impressed with the keyboard. The screen is very nice, but not quite as bright as my 770. I do wish it were more than 800x600. Surprisingly the lucent win modem is connecting at greater rates than my 3com 56k pc card. Battery life does suck (approx 1hour, I have not extensively tested and fiddled). It does seem to run cooler than my 770ed. IBM thoughtfully provided recovery cds for both win98 and win95. I was hoping to put 95 on it (to be consistent with the other machines I have to work with) but, much to my dismay, IBM only provides drivers for 3 external cdrom drives (an IBM 20x drive, a CNF 2x drive that is no longer made or a discontinued Panasonic 8x unit). Apparently (at least according to the IBM support people) there is NO WAY for me to install 95 from the recovery disk without one of those three cd rom drives -- so my drive appears useless. This really irritates me! So in an effort to end my frustrations I am turning to the experts. Can you all suggest any backdoors into the recovery cd's? Do I have to breakdown and get another cdrom drive (if I can find one on the 'approved' list), or should I just suck it up and deal with win98? I apologize if I am overlooking anything boneheaded, I don't pretend to be an expert. Any help is appreciated! Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 16:24:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA07240 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:24:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20307; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:23:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20048; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20010; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.2 -> dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:22:50 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA16282 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:22:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908032022.PAA16282@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga5-36.ix.netcom.com(207.222.235.36) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rmaa16139; Tue Aug 3 15:22:24 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990803151147.00922930@mail.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP 760CD motherboard List-Unsubscribe: I have a bad mainboard on my TP760CD. I've put together several desktops, but never even looked inside a laptop till now. How difficult is it to swap out a motherboard? I see a grey metal housing that appears to be held in place by two screws inside, and a couple outside, the case. Is opening that grey box all that there is to it? What about the internal modem? Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated. Allan --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 16:32:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA07280 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:32:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21331; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:31:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21221; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21160; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.109 -> pilot009.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:31:04 -0400 Received: from andres (pm530-08.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.210]) by pilot009.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA26226 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:30:59 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990803163115.00a692b0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:31:15 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: TP 760CD motherboard In-Reply-To: <199908032022.PAA16282@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> References: <4.1.19990803151147.00922930@mail.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: My advice to you would be not to attempt this, unless you are comfortable around electronics, and can deal with lots of steps in disassembling things, and then reversing what you've done. Working with small electronics is frought with problems, such as being fragile, not quite getting plugs, etc quite back together in the right way and introducing new problems, and other delightful items. Working on a laptop is different than having PC experience, in that the designers had a volume budget in which to work in; a PC just doesn't have that kind of restraint to make "interesting" design decisions in favor of space. I don't know anything about the 760 specficially, but have done stuff like this in the past. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 04:23 PM 8/3/99 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: >I have a bad mainboard on my TP760CD. > >I've put together several desktops, but never even >looked inside a laptop till now. > >How difficult is it to swap out a motherboard? > >I see a grey metal housing that appears to be held >in place by two screws inside, and a couple outside, >the case. > >Is opening that grey box all that there is to it? > >What about the internal modem? > >Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated. > >Allan > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 16:45:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA07349 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:45:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22803; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:43:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22617; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22558; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (161.44.200.11 -> mill.cisco.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:43:00 -0400 Received: from cisco.com (root@kend-linux.cisco.com [161.44.200.31]) by mill.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA05784; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Sender: root@mill.cisco.com Message-ID: <37A75411.B3E29A93@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:41:54 -0400 From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 760CD motherboard References: <4.1.19990803151147.00922930@mail.psu.edu> <3.0.6.32.19990803163115.00a692b0@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Unfortunately, I have to second Mssr. Andre''s opinion -- I have taken several Toshibas apart, and while I've never actually broken anything (short of one HD controller, but that was for a different reason), I've frequently had "spare screws" left over -- and in a notebook, the screws ain't just superfluous. While it's not impossible, I do recommend extreme caution, as you'll find *everything* is connected to everything else, and sometimes the relationships aren't entirely obvious. Ken D'Ambrosio SysAdmin, Cisco Systems, Inc. STeve Andre' wrote: > My advice to you would be not to attempt this, unless you are > comfortable around electronics, and can deal with lots of steps > in disassembling things, and then reversing what you've done. > > Working with small electronics is frought with problems, such > as being fragile, not quite getting plugs, etc quite back together > in the right way and introducing new problems, and other delightful > items. Working on a laptop is different than having PC experience, > in that the designers had a volume budget in which to work in; a > PC just doesn't have that kind of restraint to make "interesting" > design decisions in favor of space. > > I don't know anything about the 760 specficially, but have done > stuff like this in the past. > > --STeve Andre' > andres@pilot.msu.edu > > At 04:23 PM 8/3/99 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: > >I have a bad mainboard on my TP760CD. > > > >I've put together several desktops, but never even > >looked inside a laptop till now. > > > >How difficult is it to swap out a motherboard? > > > >I see a grey metal housing that appears to be held > >in place by two screws inside, and a couple outside, > >the case. > > > >Is opening that grey box all that there is to it? > > > >What about the internal modem? > > > >Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated. > > > >Allan > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 16:48:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA07364 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:48:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22582; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:42:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22429; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22406; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:41:58 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA02767; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:40:51 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003401beddf0$8fd764a0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Keith Wong" , References: <37A6AD86.198D8DD5@lava.net> Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:41:05 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Aloha Keith, The AMD 5x133 is a great chip, and well worth the $40 or so it costs for a *desktop* upgrade (c.f. my now-very-obsolete webpage http://www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross/cpu ) -- in particular, it might be worthwhile if you have the DX2-50 701. I would give it a miss on the DX2-66 version of the ThinkPad. You can find the names of some other people who do this upgrade at www.amd.com - David R. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 16:56:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA07385 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:56:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24039; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:54:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23929; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23910; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:54:49 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-124.gate.net [199.227.20.187]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA214568; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:53:44 -0400 Message-ID: <37A756C2.E3E2AA50@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:53:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: Keith Wong , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades References: <37A6AD86.198D8DD5@lava.net> <003401beddf0$8fd764a0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: NOTE: there was no dx2/66 in the 701.. only dx2/50 and dx2/75 David Ross wrote: > Aloha Keith, > > The AMD 5x133 is a great chip, and well worth the $40 or so it costs for a *desktop* upgrade > (c.f. my now-very-obsolete webpage http://www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross/cpu ) -- in particular, > it might be worthwhile if you have the DX2-50 701. I would give it a miss on the DX2-66 version > of the ThinkPad. > > You can find the names of some other people who do this upgrade at www.amd.com > > - David R. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 17:02:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA07431 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:02:01 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24524; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:56:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24208; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24131; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:56:11 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-124.gate.net [199.227.20.187]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA401098; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:56:20 -0400 Message-ID: <37A75760.66733961@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:56:00 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: TP 760CD motherboard References: <199908032022.PAA16282@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Allan.. you need to remove the top cover/display unit, then the small bezel between the display and keyboard, then keyboard assembly.. THEN you can start on the guts of the machine.. i have a 760CD that has so many holes in the case that you can see the guts.. still works like a champ.. :-) tough machine..! Allan Ballard wrote: > I have a bad mainboard on my TP760CD. > > I've put together several desktops, but never even > looked inside a laptop till now. > > How difficult is it to swap out a motherboard? > > I see a grey metal housing that appears to be held > in place by two screws inside, and a couple outside, > the case. > > Is opening that grey box all that there is to it? > > What about the internal modem? > > Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated. > > Allan -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 17:11:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA07484 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:11:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26196; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:08:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25652; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25568; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:07:34 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA02849; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:06:44 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <00b401beddf4$2ed321e0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: References: <37A6AD86.198D8DD5@lava.net> <003401beddf0$8fd764a0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> <37A756C2.E3E2AA50@icanect.net> Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:06:59 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > NOTE: > there was no dx2/66 in the 701.. > only dx2/50 and dx2/75 Oops - that's what I meant. Makes my statement even truer:-) - David R. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 17:11:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA07491 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:11:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26279; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:08:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25679; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25631; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:07:58 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-124.gate.net [199.227.20.187]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA118710; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:07:56 -0400 Message-ID: <37A75A17.E0F8CC2D@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:07:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ken D'Ambrosio" CC: "STeve Andre'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 760CD motherboard References: <4.1.19990803151147.00922930@mail.psu.edu> <3.0.6.32.19990803163115.00a692b0@pilot.msu.edu> <37A75411.B3E29A93@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Guys.. whats the loss here.. its a 760CD, dead..! worst case, it STAYS dead.. :-) i must say that, usually, in these cases, its better to find a good used machine with a busted display, then just swap that part.. i've been into these things and, while not as simple or straightforward as a desk top machine, its NOT that difficult.. the hard part is knowing where all the little hooks are.. ALSO, there are hardware manuals for these on the IBM web site, with parts breakdown and so forth.. Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: > Unfortunately, I have to second Mssr. Andre''s opinion -- > I have taken several Toshibas apart, and while I've never > actually broken anything (short of one HD controller, but > that was for a different reason), I've frequently had > "spare screws" left over -- and in a notebook, the screws > ain't just superfluous. While it's not impossible, I do > recommend extreme caution, as you'll find *everything* > is connected to everything else, and sometimes the > relationships aren't entirely obvious. > > Ken D'Ambrosio > SysAdmin, > Cisco Systems, Inc. > > STeve Andre' wrote: > > > My advice to you would be not to attempt this, unless you are > > comfortable around electronics, and can deal with lots of steps > > in disassembling things, and then reversing what you've done. > > > > Working with small electronics is frought with problems, such > > as being fragile, not quite getting plugs, etc quite back together > > in the right way and introducing new problems, and other delightful > > items. Working on a laptop is different than having PC experience, > > in that the designers had a volume budget in which to work in; a > > PC just doesn't have that kind of restraint to make "interesting" > > design decisions in favor of space. > > > > I don't know anything about the 760 specficially, but have done > > stuff like this in the past. > > > > --STeve Andre' > > andres@pilot.msu.edu > > > > At 04:23 PM 8/3/99 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: > > >I have a bad mainboard on my TP760CD. > > > > > >I've put together several desktops, but never even > > >looked inside a laptop till now. > > > > > >How difficult is it to swap out a motherboard? > > > > > >I see a grey metal housing that appears to be held > > >in place by two screws inside, and a couple outside, > > >the case. > > > > > >Is opening that grey box all that there is to it? > > > > > >What about the internal modem? > > > > > >Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated. > > > > > >Allan > > > > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 17:16:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA07516 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:16:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27320; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:15:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27184; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27149; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (209.185.123.18 -> mc-qout4.whowhere.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:14:59 -0400 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by my-deja.com; Tue Aug 3 14:14:46 1999 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:14:46 -0700 From: "soul mann" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Microwarehouse Accessories X-Sender-Ip: 129.15.166.184 Organization: My Deja Email (http://www.my-deja.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: What are the URLs for the $25 MW and IBM rebates as well as relevant codes/part #s for the ac adapter that works with the 770 & 600? Thanks much. Also, is there an archive or search engine for the list? --- #include --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 17:19:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA07531 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:19:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27632; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:18:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27533; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27515; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.121 -> pilot021.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:18:16 -0400 Received: from andres (pm530-08.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.210]) by pilot021.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA37388 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:18:12 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990803171828.00a6c210@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:18:28 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: TP 760CD motherboard In-Reply-To: <37A75A17.E0F8CC2D@icanect.net> References: <4.1.19990803151147.00922930@mail.psu.edu> <3.0.6.32.19990803163115.00a692b0@pilot.msu.edu> <37A75411.B3E29A93@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Bill, I can't quite agree-- if the machine stays dead after the mainboard is replaced, you still don't know if the new mainboard was OK, or if you did damage to something else while in there, chaning it out. I've seen this happen numerous times with really small electronics; the original problem might have been fixed, but at the cost of something else. If the person doing the work is inexperienced at this sort of thing, its all too possible that they'll have zapped something else. I think perhaps you're forgetting that you are an expert, Bill--you know more about twiddling with these things than I, I suspect, and more than 99.9%+ of the folks out there who use them. That which is not that hard for you can be a daunting task for others... You're right about the manuals with their pictures. If I had to have a novice try this, certainly the TPs with their documentation would make the best candidate for a successful operation. --STeve Andre' At 05:07 PM 8/3/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Guys.. >whats the loss here.. >its a 760CD, dead..! worst case, it STAYS dead.. :-) >i must say that, usually, in these cases, its better to find a good used >machine with a busted display, then just swap that part.. >i've been into these things and, while not as simple or straightforward >as a desk top machine, its NOT that difficult.. the hard part is knowing >where all the little hooks are.. > >ALSO, there are hardware manuals for these on the IBM web site, with >parts breakdown and so forth.. > > >Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: > >> Unfortunately, I have to second Mssr. Andre''s opinion -- >> I have taken several Toshibas apart, and while I've never >> actually broken anything (short of one HD controller, but >> that was for a different reason), I've frequently had >> "spare screws" left over -- and in a notebook, the screws >> ain't just superfluous. While it's not impossible, I do >> recommend extreme caution, as you'll find *everything* >> is connected to everything else, and sometimes the >> relationships aren't entirely obvious. ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 18:44:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA08052 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:44:07 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03663; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:37:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03506; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03484; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:37:39 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-161.usc.edu [128.125.224.161]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id PAA02232; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990803150048.02ba9f10@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:02:09 -0700 To: Bill Morrow , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades In-Reply-To: <37A72642.6CD71853@icanect.net> References: <37A6AD86.198D8DD5@lava.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:26 PM 8/3/99 -0400, you wrote: >Leonard is OK.. >he'll do the upgrade and stand behind it.. > >i got him to do one for one of my 701C machines and its faster, but my time >is so limited i have not had time to do more than just an initial boot up >and a few tests which DO show a speed increase, over the 486/75 chip.. If there are archives of this list somewhere, I did a full testing, writeup, and evaluation of the 701 upgrade offered through PEP about 18 mos. ago. Roughly Dec. of 97 or Jan. 98. - Randy Whittle --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 19:22:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA08300 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:22:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06083; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:20:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05865; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05845; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.2 -> dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:20:12 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA12210; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:19:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908032319.SAA12210@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga5-36.ix.netcom.com(207.222.235.36) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma012187; Tue Aug 3 18:19:02 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 19:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <37A75760.66733961@icanect.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 760CD motherboard List-Unsubscribe: Bill, thanks. This sounds a little bit more than I had hoped so I guess its back to the shop . Thanks again. Allan Ballard On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:56:00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Allan.. >you need to remove the top cover/display unit, then the small bezel >between the display and keyboard, then keyboard assembly.. >THEN you can start on the guts of the machine.. > >i have a 760CD that has so many holes in the case that you can see the >guts.. >still works like a champ.. :-) > >tough machine..! > >Allan Ballard wrote: > >> I have a bad mainboard on my TP760CD. >> >> I've put together several desktops, but never even >> looked inside a laptop till now. >> >> How difficult is it to swap out a motherboard? >> >> I see a grey metal housing that appears to be held >> in place by two screws inside, and a couple outside, >> the case. >> >> Is opening that grey box all that there is to it? >> >> What about the internal modem? >> >> Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated. >> >> Allan > > > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will >vary, Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 21:26:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA08841 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:26:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11215; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:21:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11054; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11041; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:20:58 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-36.gate.net [207.36.212.36]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA176684; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:21:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37A79569.10520085@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 21:20:41 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Keith Wong CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades References: <002e01beddd5$ae83d340$e940a2d1@maxhome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Doug has been doing this sort of upgrade for years.. another honest guy.. Douglas Hirsch, Maximum Upgrades wrote: > Keith, > > If you'd like the TP701C running at 133MHz with the write-back cache feature > enabled, let me know. Maximum Upgrades offers that CPU upgrade for $298 US. > > Norton SI benchmarks show a CPU speed increase from 95.4 to 287.9. I don't > think Leonard offers anything that fast. > > Best wishes, > > Douglas Hirsch > Internet Support > Maximum Upgrades > > tel (916) 361-2870 P.O. Box 276945 > fax (916) 361-2880 Sacramento, CA 95827 > http://www.maxup.com > djhirsch@maxup.com "Software Bloat Solutions" (c) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Wong > To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU > Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 1:51 AM > Subject: Thinkpad 701c upgrades > > > > >--Hello, I've just purchased a used 701c "butterfly" Thinkpad. I was > >wondering if anyone had upgraded their processor from > >"www.portables.com"? They offer a AMD 5x86 upgrade that would bring the > >little butterfly up to the speed of a pentium 75mhz processor. This > >company seems to be really professional and knowledgeable, but I would > >just like some customer comments. If any of you have done this upgrade > >on the butterfly, could you tell me how the machine is? Is it worth the > >upgrade? Does all modern software work on the machine after the > >software? Is it reliable? Any heat problems? Do demanding > >applications (office97, winfax, netscape) crash more or less than > >before? > > I realize this machine is outdated, and expensive to get up to > >useable speeds, but I like the novelty of it, and the fact that it was > >one of the few laptops to win an "engineering?" award. I mean sure a > >Lotus with a V-8 has over 300ponies, but the old one with only 4 > >cylinders and it's soft "whirrrrr" is much more novel. Anyhow, this is > >Keith from Honolulu, Hawaii saying greetings to everyone on the list. > >Thanks in advance for your responses. > > > > --Keith > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 21:36:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA08889 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:36:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12194; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:33:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12057; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12041; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:33:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA24084; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:28:53 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Bill Morrow cc: Keith Wong , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades In-Reply-To: <37A79569.10520085@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Sorry I missed this thread, can someone point me to an archive that would contain it or give me the short version as I have a 701 and find it too slow any more and might consider such an upgrade. Thanks! On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > Doug has been doing this sort of upgrade for years.. > another honest guy.. > > Douglas Hirsch, Maximum Upgrades wrote: > > > Keith, > > > > If you'd like the TP701C running at 133MHz with the write-back cache feature > > enabled, let me know. Maximum Upgrades offers that CPU upgrade for $298 US. > > > > Norton SI benchmarks show a CPU speed increase from 95.4 to 287.9. I don't > > think Leonard offers anything that fast. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Douglas Hirsch > > Internet Support > > Maximum Upgrades > > > > tel (916) 361-2870 P.O. Box 276945 > > fax (916) 361-2880 Sacramento, CA 95827 > > http://www.maxup.com > > djhirsch@maxup.com "Software Bloat Solutions" (c) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Keith Wong > > To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU > > Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 1:51 AM > > Subject: Thinkpad 701c upgrades > > > > > > > >--Hello, I've just purchased a used 701c "butterfly" Thinkpad. I was > > >wondering if anyone had upgraded their processor from > > >"www.portables.com"? They offer a AMD 5x86 upgrade that would bring the > > >little butterfly up to the speed of a pentium 75mhz processor. This > > >company seems to be really professional and knowledgeable, but I would > > >just like some customer comments. If any of you have done this upgrade > > >on the butterfly, could you tell me how the machine is? Is it worth the > > >upgrade? Does all modern software work on the machine after the > > >software? Is it reliable? Any heat problems? Do demanding > > >applications (office97, winfax, netscape) crash more or less than > > >before? > > > I realize this machine is outdated, and expensive to get up to > > >useable speeds, but I like the novelty of it, and the fact that it was > > >one of the few laptops to win an "engineering?" award. I mean sure a > > >Lotus with a V-8 has over 300ponies, but the old one with only 4 > > >cylinders and it's soft "whirrrrr" is much more novel. Anyhow, this is > > >Keith from Honolulu, Hawaii saying greetings to everyone on the list. > > >Thanks in advance for your responses. > > > > > > --Keith > > > > > > > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Aug 3 23:02:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA09192 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:02:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14134; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:58:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14027; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14014; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:58:52 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p32.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.125]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA21961; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908040140.SAA21961@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Date: Tue, 03 Aug 99 18:39:39 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:02:09 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 01:26 PM 8/3/99 -0400, you wrote: >>Leonard is OK.. >>he'll do the upgrade and stand behind it.. >> >>i got him to do one for one of my 701C machines and its faster, but my time >>is so limited i have not had time to do more than just an initial boot up >>and a few tests which DO show a speed increase, over the 486/75 chip.. > > If there are archives of this list somewhere, I did a full testing, >writeup, and evaluation of the 701 upgrade offered through PEP about 18 >mos. ago. Roughly Dec. of 97 or Jan. 98. If anyone wants, I could search through my archives on my UNIX box and get all the writeups. I remember though, that there wasn't a signifigant advantage to the upgrade, probably partially due to the 701 not having any L2 cache... --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 4 00:01:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA09343 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:01:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17852; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:57:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17599; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17577; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:57:22 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p14.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.107]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA05891; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908040354.UAA05891@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "rj" Cc: "Keith Wong" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 03 Aug 99 20:52:33 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:28:53 -0400 (EDT), rj wrote: >Sorry I missed this thread, can someone point me to an archive >that would contain it or give me the short version as I have >a 701 and find it too slow any more and might consider such >an upgrade. Just for everyone to know, I'll see if I can do an archive search tonight on my archives for the original thread(s), and I'll post the messages to my website - www.loop.com/~pkhoury/email/thinkpad/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 4 00:26:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA09424 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:26:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19237; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:20:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19153; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19134; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:20:10 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA02310; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:20:02 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001101bede30$a9e7f4a0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "TP List" References: <199908040140.SAA21961@ritchie.loop.com> Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:20:17 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Paul K.: > I remember though, that there wasn't a signifigant advantage to the upgrade, probably > partially due to the 701 not having any L2 cache... Or rather, due to the fact that the DX2-75 in the 701 already has some on-CPU cache, unlike the run-of-the-mill Intel DX2-66 which the AMD chip more often replaces. The speedup on my home box (when I swapped in a 5x133 for a 2-66) was *not* negligible (especially when overclocked to 166:-) To be honest, I'm surprised that some enterprising person out there hasn't yet found a way to keep the wonderful 701 shell, and swap out all the electronic components for something more modern. Surely there's *some* cheap remaindered Pentium laptop out there whose motherboard and screen would fit in the 701 box! - David --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 4 02:54:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA09890 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:54:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24778; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:53:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24690; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24677; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.3 -> dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:52:58 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA23092; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 01:52:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca1-249.ix.netcom.com(209.109.232.249) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma023069; Wed Aug 4 01:52:20 1999 Message-ID: <37A7E31D.F52DD8BE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 23:52:14 -0700 From: Kenneth Rosenblatt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Suspense problem with Zip 250 SCSI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Folks: I have a Thinkpad 560 running Windows 95 with the latest BIOS and the latest PCMCIA driver for Win95. After swapping my Zip 100 Parallel for a Zip 250 SCSI with Iomega Zip SCSI card, the system now hangs when awakening from suspense. There are no other SCSI devices connected to the system. This is particularly annoying because the IBM PCMCIA driver documentation makes reference to fixing this problem (although the Zip drive isn't mentioned; just a PCMCIA device). I've contacted Iomega, which replied by suggesting that I update my drivers. (The problem existed before I updated.) I just replied back that I've done that, and am awaiting a reply. I haven't tried IBM yet. Frankly, I thought the folks on this list might arrive at a solution first. Has anyone seen (and/or solved) this problem? Thanks for your help. Kenneth Rosenblatt --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 4 09:39:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA11154 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:39:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23877; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:22:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23647; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23622; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (207.115.58.53 -> pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:22:37 -0400 Received: from defiant (TXARB102-04.splitrock.net [209.253.58.4]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA164122 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:22:34 -0400 Message-ID: <003a01bede7c$6a393e80$043afdd1@defiant> From: "Charles McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: a few questions about a thinkpad 755cx Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:22:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Hi I'm New to this group and I have a few questions about a laptop I just bought..and I'm hoping some of you might be able to answer them for me.. is this a very good laptop..?? I bought over the internet a IBM ThinkPad 755cx..p/75 it has NOW 40 megs of ram and is loaded when I got it it only had IBM dos 5.0 on it..win 95 osr2...thinking about putting Win 98 on it (yes or No)??? I saw some mention about upgrading to a faster processor is the possible and is it worth it..?? the battery seems to be good holds a charge for well over and hour..with me playing quake even it still holds up well on the battery.. question number one there is a battery icon on the desktop..one says when clicked the battery will be discharged one and then recharged ..how often should I do this..?? the next one is hibernation what is this and do I need it..?? next one is how do I get the speaker phone to work...?? whats the biggest harddrive that I can install in the computer....?? what is a good network card for this computer..?? thanks for the time and and I hope I'm not being to much trouble here..!! Charles & Melinda McDaniel take off the nospam to e-mail me nospamcmcdaniel@cwix.com For more info on Quake and Quakeworld http://www.planetquake.com or http://www.quakeworld.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 4 10:59:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA11738 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:59:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29337; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:55:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29106; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29092; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908041455.KAA29092@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (129.71.2.4 -> wvnvm.wvnet.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:55:45 -0400 Received: from teacup [129.71.227.186] by WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:57:45 EDT From: "Vrondi" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:54:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: 755cd floppy panel Reply-to: vrondi@nettaxi.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) List-Unsubscribe: I bought a used Thinkpad recently. It's a 755CD. I need the little plastic piece that goes in hte drive bay when you don't have either a CD or a floppy drive in it. Anyone have an idea where I could get such an obscure item? //Chrys Amy Dean | Vrondi on EFNET IRC "She wasn't at all sure about the meaning of the word 'decadent'. She'd dismissed the possibility that it meant 'having ten teeth'." -Terry Pratchett From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 4 12:01:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA12181 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:01:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04764; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:58:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04360; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04334; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU (128.196.206.226 -> exchange.optics.arizona.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:57:49 -0400 Received: from spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu ([150.135.52.9]) by exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id N3R9PN8A; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:57:35 -0700 Received: from europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.30]) by spectra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA12725 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:57:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id IAA12684 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:57:34 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:57:34 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <199908041557.IAA12684@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: NT on 770E and more recent SP versions X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Looking for some advice from fellow ThinkPad NT users. I have a 770E (9548-52U NT4/SP3 preload from IBM). It has 224 MB of RAM and triple boots NT4, IBM PC-DOS 7, and Sun Solaris 7 (UNIX) using Vcom System Commander. I have an IBM 8 GB disk. I am having some problems with various apps under NT 4 crashing with an access exception (Excel from Office 97/SR2 and Eudora 4.2 from Qualcom). This then brings up the MS Visual C++ debugger which shows the assembly code for the app (real handy!) ... I was wondering if anyone has experience with SP4 or SP5 on the preloaded NT ThinkPads? Should I try SP4 or SP5? Would either screw up Card Wizard and the hot-plug of modems under NT? (I use a TDK PCMCIA modem as the 770E has no built-in modem). Email to me directly or replies to the list would be appreciated. Thanks, Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona Meinel Building PO Box 210094 Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 4 13:16:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA12566 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:16:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11388; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:15:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11238; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11205; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.128.1.70 -> ne.mediaone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:14:56 -0400 Received: from Laptop (plumbush.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.150.141]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA20404 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005a01bede9c$de9936c0$0200a8c0@Laptop> From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: References: Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Wed, 04 Aug 1999 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:14:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 12:16 PM Subject: thinkpad digest for Wed, 04 Aug 1999 > Submissions for the thinkpad list should be sent to thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > (When replying, please edit your Subject line so that it doesn't say: > "Re: thinkpad digest for...") > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Today's topics: > > Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades (Douglas Hirsch, Maximum Upgrades) > Re: 570 the little things (Bill Morrow) > Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades (Bill Morrow) > Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades (Robert F. Munzenrider) > New 240 and recovery disk irritation (WWG) > TP 760CD motherboard (Allan Ballard) > Re: TP 760CD motherboard (STeve Andre') > Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades (David Ross) > Re: TP 760CD motherboard (Ken D'Ambrosio) > Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades (Bill Morrow) > Re: TP 760CD motherboard (Bill Morrow) > Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades (David Ross) > Re: TP 760CD motherboard (Bill Morrow) > Microwarehouse Accessories (soul mann) > Re: TP 760CD motherboard (STeve Andre') > Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades (Randal Whittle) > Re: TP 760CD motherboard (Allan Ballard) > Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades (Bill Morrow) > Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades (rj) > Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades (Paul Khoury) > Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades (Paul Khoury) > Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades (David Ross) > Suspense problem with Zip 250 SCSI (Kenneth Rosenblatt) > a few questions about a thinkpad 755cx (Charles McDaniel) > 755cd floppy panel (Vrondi) > NT on 770E and more recent SP versions (Stuart Biggar) > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 4 13:25:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA12616 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:25:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12635; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:24:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12496; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12478; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.128.1.70 -> ne.mediaone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:24:36 -0400 Received: from Laptop (plumbush.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.150.141]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA25850 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006101bede9e$38bd9460$0200a8c0@Laptop> From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: References: Subject: "Prompt for password when computer goes off standby" -- ? (770z) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:24:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone have any experience using this function (in TP Configuration > Power Management > Advanced ? I would like to be able to leave the laptop on Standby, rather than the much slower resuming Suspend, without compromising security. However, when I check this function, it doesn't work when resuming from Standby (Fn-F3). On the other hand, when this function is checked and I use Suspend (Fn-F4), what happens when I resume from Suspend is this: I get the usual lock/HD symbol and enter my power-on password, then the computer does its usual resume routine, but now it puts up a Password window and will not accept my password. I then try to turn off the computer, and get a double beep each time, so that finally I have to reset and restart. Any ideas or experience regarding this would be much appreciated. IBM telephone support hasn't a clue -- their data base contains only the suggestion that the user make sure NumLock isn't on. Thanks -- Jeff From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 4 14:04:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA12828 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:04:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15598; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:01:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15377; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15362; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:01:02 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.76.143]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990804173803.GOB7807@dts-jl> for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:38:03 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990804133246.00a08100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 13:32:46 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: >Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 16:29:12 -0800 >To: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" >From: Randal Whittle >Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results >Cc: "TP List" >Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >At 06:49 PM 12/31/97 -0500, Geovanny M. Ortiz wrote: >>All these numbers are too technical for me. My question is: Is it worth >>the money for the upgrade? > > Well, this is difficult for me to answer. I had wanted to just let the >numbers speak for themselves and not render an opinion, but if forced, I'll >editorialize a bit. > > In a nutshell, I don't think so--at least for me. > > I had a 486-75 MHz, so this upgrade boosted it to something about the same >as a 486-100 MHz. Overall speed increase in typical applications...I'd say >about 20%. > > For me, that's just not significant enough. For me, I require at *least* >a 75% speed increase--preferably a 100% increase (at or near doubling) >before I think its worth considering an upgrade. For me, in laptops I went >from a Sharp 386SX-20, to a ThinkPad 750 (486SL-33), to a TP 701 >(486-75--but I have to say that the smaller form factor of the 701 made the >less-than-stellar performance increase less of an important factor), to >finally a TP 560 (Pentium 120). In every case, that was a speed increase >of about 2x or better (a little less in the case of the 701 acquisition >over the 750). That's just something I require before I spend money on a >new machine. > > Now an upgrade may be something different for you than it is for me. I >always very much liked the 701--so much so that I rather missed it when I >moved to a 560 (I gave the 701 to my wife, so it was still around), but I >got over it without too much pain. For you, your 701 may be so near and >dear to you that you can't imagine leaving it for another computer. ;-) >If so, by all means--consider whether a 20% increase in speed is worth it >to you to pay for the upgrade (or maybe even a greater increase--keep in >mind I was upgrading a 486-75--many of you hav 486-50's out there that >would see a considerably greater speed increase of 40% to 50% instead of my >mere 20%). > > So would I have paid for this upgrade? No--not unless the price was >somewhat nominal. 20% speed increase just doesn't do it for me. I barely >notice it the difference. > > But that doesn't mean it isn't it worth it to you or to someone else that >has different things that are important to them. For me, I've grown to >really like my 560. Its thinner form factor has actually become preferable >to me over the 701's smaller, but thicker form factor. I no longer pine >for my 701. But for those of you who can't get over that, by all >means--this upgrade is one way in which you might be able to justify >stretching another year or two of use out of it. > > >One final note: > > PEP appears to be a very different outfit than they were a year or two ago >when they annoyed us all with their blatant advertising on the list. Their >new salesman, Leonard, has been most helpful in allowing us to do this and >upgrading my machine free of charge so I could do the benchmarks and report >to the list about the results. > > And when this question about "OK, cut through the numbers crap--was the >upgrade worth it?" was posed, my first reaction was, "Well, I don't want to >bias the results with my opinion--just let the numbers speak for >themselves." I wrote Leonard and told him what my truthful opinion >was--which you see in my note above. I didn't want to convey that to the >list because it seemed ungrateful to all they had given us to do this. >Leonard's reaction? "Tell them the truth." > > Now if you ask me, that's integrity--because he knew the truth was less >than flattering to their upgrade product. The previous sales guy who used >to infect our TP list used to tout claims of "Pentium-level performance" >(and we now know that claim is a pile of manure). > > If that integrity is any indication of how things have changed at PEP, I'd >have to re-think my prior negative impression of them. No agenda--just >honesty. I was surprised and relieved because I really felt a conflict in >providing these results. I was determined to remain unbiased and >honest--and I was. the numbers you see in the benchmarks are the >gosh-awful truth and are not monkeyed with. > > My personal opinion was that this upgrade was no big improvement. But >having said that, I think you should examine the performance difference and >see if its worth it to *you*, rather than simply echoing what I had to say. > > >------- >Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 >Director, Electronic Commerce Program >Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 4 15:32:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA13376 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:32:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22455; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:30:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22179; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22148; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:29:52 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-199.gate.net [199.227.131.8]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA199270; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:29:38 -0400 Message-ID: <37A8948C.AEFED713@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:29:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeffrey Baker CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: "Prompt for password when computer goes off standby" -- ? (770z) References: <006101bede9e$38bd9460$0200a8c0@Laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jeff.. hmm.. is your caps lock key down..?? any chance you're mistyping the password..??? Jeffrey Baker wrote: > Does anyone have any experience using this function (in TP Configuration > > Power Management > Advanced ? I would like to be able to leave the laptop > on Standby, rather than the much slower resuming Suspend, without > compromising security. However, when I check this function, it doesn't work > when resuming from Standby (Fn-F3). On the other hand, when this function > is checked and I use Suspend (Fn-F4), what happens when I resume from > Suspend is this: I get the usual lock/HD symbol and enter my power-on > password, then the computer does its usual resume routine, but now it puts > up a Password window and will not accept my password. I then try to turn > off the computer, and get a double beep each time, so that finally I have to > reset and restart. > > Any ideas or experience regarding this would be much appreciated. IBM > telephone support hasn't a clue -- their data base contains only the > suggestion that the user make sure NumLock isn't on. Thanks -- Jeff -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Wed Aug 4 22:07:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA16102 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:07:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25971; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:05:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25796; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25783; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:05:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:05:41 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a74.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.74]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA28979 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908050205.WAA28979@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a74.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.74] 209.198.80.74 Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:01:22 -0400 To: "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: <199908050113.UAA10588@dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: TP 128meg memory prices X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: "Allan Ballard" said: >Better yet, switch to OS/2 Warp..... How can they. It doesn't run the latest games. >>In Windows 3.1, 95 and 98, GDI, System and User resources are not allocated >>in 64k blocks, they are limited to 64k. The only way I know of to get rid >>of resource issues/problems in Windows is to switch to NT. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph Wed Aug 4 22:20:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA16231 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:20:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26937; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:19:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26833; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26816; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.12 -> dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:19:50 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA23599 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:19:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908050219.VAA23599@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga1-42.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.42) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma023562; Wed Aug 4 21:19:33 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199908050205.WAA28979@pike.sover.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 128meg memory prices List-Unsubscribe: Apparently, neither do the windose products . >"Allan Ballard" said: > >>Better yet, switch to OS/2 Warp..... > >How can they. It doesn't run the latest games. > > >>>In Windows 3.1, 95 and 98, GDI, System and User resources are not allocated >>>in 64k blocks, they are limited to 64k. The only way I know of to get rid >>>of resource issues/problems in Windows is to switch to NT. > > >_____________ >letoured@sover.net > From cph Wed Aug 4 23:03:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA16617 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:03:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29203; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:02:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29111; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29009; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.13 -> dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:01:46 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA11420; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:22:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908050122.UAA11420@dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga1-42.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.42) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011326; Wed Aug 4 20:22:21 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Bill Morrow" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <37A8E4B2.132C792@netzero.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP760CD mainboard: revisited List-Unsubscribe: For those of you who advised against applying my amateur skills to replace my TP 760CD's mainboard. As luck has it, the unit is still under warrenty, so off it goes to EZ Serve. A question. The latch for the keyboard on the right side.....It keeps jamming. This is the third time. Is this a design flaw for the TP760CD? In the past, the entire case had to be replaced. Thanks. I really love this machine. Allan Ballard From cph Thu Aug 5 00:04:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA17053 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:04:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02789; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:00:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02309; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02284; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.74 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:00:47 -0400 Received: from 770ed (user-2ivfjjb.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.206.107]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA26125; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990804235739.0093a100@mindspring.com> X-Sender: rchalk@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 00:00:39 -0400 To: "Allan Ballard" , "ThinkPad List" From: Richard Chalk Subject: TOPICS: Was TP 128meg memory prices In-Reply-To: <199908050219.VAA23599@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com> References: <199908050205.WAA28979@pike.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I am interested in some threads, not in others, but when the subject becomes Windows resource management, and the title still says TP 128 meg memory prices, it is very time-consuming to open each message just to see if it is relevant to the topic shown, let alone ThinkPads... Perhaps we can all pay a little attention, and cause less irritation. Thanks, Richard From cph Thu Aug 5 00:16:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA17085 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:16:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03581; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:13:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03448; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03435; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy3.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:13:42 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id VAA09081 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990804211001.00ceec40@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:11:56 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Linux and IBM In-Reply-To: <19990731165312.21402@eng.amdahl.com> References: <002701bedb7e$ef15d420$6c06f7c6@uxledkvk> <002701bedb7e$ef15d420$6c06f7c6@uxledkvk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: The following comes from a "PC Week" e-mail list... >IBM tightens its embrace of Linux > >At next week's LinuxWorld show, IBM will look more and >more like a big blue penguin as it makes hardware, >software and support announcements. > >Follow the link for more. >http://www.pcweek.com/a/pcwt9908042/1015836/ > >Plus: Learn Linux now! >http://www.zdu.com/catalog/deptcatalog.asp?DepID=19&Sort=&CourseID=5731#5731 From cph Thu Aug 5 00:35:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA17183 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:35:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05368; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:33:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05037; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05022; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:33:51 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p27.hwts20.loop.net [207.211.63.216]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA01590; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908050434.VAA01590@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "rj" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 04 Aug 99 21:31:21 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 701c upgrades List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:32:34 -0400 (EDT), rj wrote: > >As I recall the upgrade was to a 100MHz chip not a 133 and that the >cost of the upgrade was perhaps twice the 300 for this upgrade. Anyway >if you could find the writeup I would appreciate the infor. >Thanks for your help! > I posted some files last night on my site (www.loop.com/~pkhoury/email/thinkpad), but I tried doing a recovery off a failing hard drive that has more complete archives, so hopefully I'll find some more info on this topic. Paul From cph Thu Aug 5 00:50:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA17243 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:50:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06059; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:48:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05891; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05878; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:48:35 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-285.gate.net [199.227.173.31]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA180386; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:48:46 -0400 Message-ID: <37A91798.C5CE7FF4@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 00:48:24 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP 128meg memory prices References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince.. DIMM = Dual Inline Memory Module of the type used in notebooks... in this case, the DIMM's i refer to are the type used in the 770 series of thinkpad.. SO, if a 128meg part for a 770 has 16 chips on it, they must be 16x4, and the problem with doing this in a thinkpad 770 or other notebook is the aforementioned real estate problem.. that, apparently, is the only serious problem to using 16x4 over 16x8 chips.. in the case of desktop machines, which i think you may be referring to, all the chips can be on one side for a 128meg part and on both sides for a 256meg part... Vincent Poy wrote: > On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > Hello Bill, > > > Vince.. > > it takes 8 16x8 chips to make a 128meg DIMM.. > > it would take 16 16x4 chips to make a 128meg DIMM.. > > double the chips, double the real estate, way lower cost, some disadvantages.. > > Actually, I looked at all the current DIMM's that are 128 Meg. > Just bought one today. They use Micron chips and has 16 chips... So the > single sided DIMMs are the better ones at 128 meg? > > > i have NO IDEA why windows does what ever the hell it does..! :-) i > > just use it because gates made 100 billion $$ by being the best > > marketer (and other things) around.. > > Nope, Bill Gates only owns 3% of Microsoft. Not the 23% he used > to own so the $100 billion isn't all from Windows or MSFT. He makes $200 > million a day in personal investments. > > > he got everyone to writ apps for win9whatever and then do and did and > > THATS its best point.. > > Yep... > > > the PnP is like a nasty teenager.. sometimes they dazzel you with their > > brilliance and on other occasions they really piss you off..!! :-) > > Hehe, that's write. That's why PnP modems suck! hehe > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > Crucial, a division of Micron uses 16x64 NEC chips for the > > > 128 meg module for $197 that I got last week. How will the 16x4 chips > > > even fit on a 144 pin SODIMM since would that make it only 8 megs? > > > > > > One thing I'm trying to figure out is that someone mentioned that > > > WIndows resources are done in 64k blocks so wouldn't more memory give more > > > resources? Seems like going from 128 meg to 256 meg didn't make a > > > difference. Seems like the machine would be out of resources way before > > > it takes virtual memory into consideration. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > Just a note to let the list know that the competition is heating up and > > > > the 128meg part for thinkpad 770's are coming down in price.. 600's too, > > > > i imagine.. > > > > > > > > there is a wide difference between IBM, Apricorn, GoldenRam, et al. and > > > > some manufacturers are using cheaper (16x4) chips (none of the above > > > > manufacturers).. > > > > > > > > my web site is not updated yet and may not be until tomorrow.. :-) > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > > > > vary, Done on a > > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > > Done on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Aug 5 00:54:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA17248 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:54:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06714; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:52:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06522; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06494; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:52:36 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-285.gate.net [199.227.173.31]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA269882; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:52:46 -0400 Message-ID: <37A91888.CC1CFECC@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 00:52:24 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP 128meg memory prices References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: hmmm... it is my understanding that the 8x8 chips have increased in price due in part to the low inventories and a recent island wide power grid failure in taiwan, whereby a weeks worth (or so) of chips was destroyed.. my price on 64meg parts went up by about $9 this last week.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > Hello Bill, > > > Vince.. > > see my other and further response.. > > > > you must mean 16x64 because that is what the entire DIMM is.. > > > > how many chips on your crucial DIMM.. 8 or 16..?? > > Only 8, 4 NEC chips on each side... Had to close the lid and open > the memory cover and then open the lid to reply =) > > > for now, unless you really NEED a 128meg part, wait a few days for the > > prices to stabilize.. > > I know.... Besides, I have 30 days to get my money back so if the > price goes down, I'll order another one and send the old one back since > it's all billed to my FedEx account anyways. > > > my cost is way over what you paid for the crucial part.. > > but i have misgivings about people who cut the price that far below > > what the market is.. > > Actually, remember it can be old stock or something... Micron > makes their own chips so costs are low for them. > > > they are doing something.. either trying to pull a "gates", cutting > > quality, copying someone else's artwork, cutting warranty or service > > or tech support.. i fine altruism to be WAAY down on the list.. :-) > > Nah, it isn't the warranty, tech support or service since all > the other stuff went up in price. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > Hello Bill, > > > > > > > interesting that crucial is using a 16x64 chip.. > > > > i did not even know there WAS a 16x64 chip available..!! > > > > > > Well, all manufacturers use 16x64. Even the big 168 pin boards > > > need 16 x 64. There would be no way to put 128 megs on anything smaller. > > > > > > > the problem with those who make a DIMM using a 16x4 is that there is > > > > NOT sufficient real estate on the little board, so they grow a bit and > > > > two won't fit in a machine like the 770 (early).. > > > > > > Ah, interesting. > > > > > > > in short, the board grows a bit and just does not fit in the space > > > > provided.. > > > > > > > > as far as micron goes, what i want to see is a 16x64 ram chip.. :-) > > > > > > Hehe... I verified it and the NEC chips are 16x64 =) > > > > > > > unless you're saying that the entire DIMM is 16x64 which would be correct... > > > > > > Yeah, it's probably the entire DIMM. > > > > > > > in any event, pricing on these parts has started to move and for now, nothing > > > > would surprise me.. :-)) > > > > > > Yep, Crucial told me that prices will be going up soon... $197 > > > was a really good deal since it was $350 a month ago for the same 128 > > > megs. hehe. I should just see what the price is later and if it drops, > > > there is always the 30 day money back guarantee. hehe > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Crucial, a division of Micron uses 16x64 NEC chips for the > > > > > 128 meg module for $197 that I got last week. How will the 16x4 chips > > > > > even fit on a 144 pin SODIMM since would that make it only 8 megs? > > > > > > > > > > One thing I'm trying to figure out is that someone mentioned that > > > > > WIndows resources are done in 64k blocks so wouldn't more memory give more > > > > > resources? Seems like going from 128 meg to 256 meg didn't make a > > > > > difference. Seems like the machine would be out of resources way before > > > > > it takes virtual memory into consideration. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > Just a note to let the list know that the competition is heating up and > > > > > > the 128meg part for thinkpad 770's are coming down in price.. 600's too, > > > > > > i imagine.. > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a wide difference between IBM, Apricorn, GoldenRam, et al. and > > > > > > some manufacturers are using cheaper (16x4) chips (none of the above > > > > > > manufacturers).. > > > > > > > > > > > > my web site is not updated yet and may not be until tomorrow.. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > > > > > > vary, Done on a > > > > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > > > > Done on a > > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > > on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Aug 5 01:03:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA17266 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:03:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07816; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:02:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07635; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07619; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:01:59 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-285.gate.net [199.227.173.31]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA127354; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:02:10 -0400 Message-ID: <37A91ABD.AD3774A3@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 01:01:49 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 128meg memory prices References: <079101beded1$9caf5520$0100a8c0@desktop> <37A8CF66.65AADDE5@icanect.net> <37A8E4B2.132C792@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: JC.. it seems to me, without trying or reading anything, that one creraded, the swap file can be allocated to the ramdisk.. i.e. boot up, create ramdisk during this process, then after ramdisk has been created, assign swap file thereto..?! i THINK that should work.. unless theres some hidden little "gotcha!"... Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > I made it but Win95 Virtual Memory utility > did not list the ramdisk as a possible > destination for the swap file. > > Let me know if you find how. > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Robert.. > > thanks for that inspiring news.. :-) > > uhh, i suppose i'll see if i can set up a ram-disk, just for fun.. > > (for the swap file, of course) > > **SNIP** Note to the mail content cops: i changed the subject line, deleted the useless stuff and made my reply at the top.. :-) -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Aug 5 02:12:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA17472 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:12:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11164; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:10:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10887; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10872; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (195.174.27.3 -> home.egenet.com.tr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:10:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (turgut@localhost) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA18882; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:12:18 +0400 (EET DST) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:12:17 +0400 (EET DST) From: Turgut Kalfaoglu To: Robert Briganti cc: Donald Mak , Vincent Poy , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP 128meg memory prices In-Reply-To: <081c01bededf$cc41a500$0100a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Robert Briganti wrote: > False. Each program in NT runs in its own VDM or virtual machine and each > has its own compliment of resources. NT was a clean break from DOS and 3.1, Sounds like OS/2, but unfortunately, they did lots of cut and paste, and ended up with a 40-million-line code that is hard to debug, is bloated and requires tonns of resources. Something to keep in mind. -turgut ----- Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Thu Aug 5 04:48:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA17851 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:48:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24973; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:46:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24672; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail5.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24659; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail5.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.48 -> mail5.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:46:30 -0400 Received: (qmail 26875 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 1999 08:46:10 -0000 Received: from pppa29-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.90.88) by mail5.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 08:46:10 -0000 Message-ID: <37A94F04.F8A8437F@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 01:44:52 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 128meg RAM usage References: <079101beded1$9caf5520$0100a8c0@desktop> <37A8CF66.65AADDE5@icanect.net> <37A8E4B2.132C792@netzero.net> <37A91ABD.AD3774A3@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I also thought so, but... The ramsisk is nicely created and appears in "My Computer" with an icon that's a chip. Then the only way *I found* in Win95 for the user to assign the swap file to a disk is in: Control Panel > System > Performance > Virtual memory > Let me specify... > Hard disk box list of available choices and this "hard disk box" only lists the hard disks, not the ramdisk. This limited choice of destinations for the swap file to hard disks is the "MS gates gotcha"... unless there is other way to do such an assignment, which I didn't find (yet). Bill Morrow wrote: > > JC.. > it seems to me, without trying or reading anything, that one creraded, the swap file > can be allocated to the ramdisk.. > > i.e. boot up, create ramdisk during this process, then after ramdisk has been > created, assign swap file thereto..?! > > i THINK that should work.. unless theres some hidden little "gotcha!"... > > Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > > I made it but Win95 Virtual Memory utility > > did not list the ramdisk as a possible > > destination for the swap file. > > > > Let me know if you find how. > > > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > Robert.. > > > thanks for that inspiring news.. :-) > > > uhh, i suppose i'll see if i can set up a ram-disk, just for fun.. > > > (for the swap file, of course) > > > > > **SNIP** > > Note to the mail content cops: i changed the subject line, deleted the useless stuff > and made my reply at the top.. :-) > -- ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Thu Aug 5 05:04:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA17894 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 05:04:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25852; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:58:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25676; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25663; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:58:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17396; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:58:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:58:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP 128meg memory prices In-Reply-To: <37A91798.C5CE7FF4@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Hello Bill, > DIMM = Dual Inline Memory Module of the type used in notebooks... > in this case, the DIMM's i refer to are the type used in the 770 series of > thinkpad.. Yeah, I was referring to those as well since those are called SODIMM's and 144 pin versus DIMM's which by definition is 168 pins. > SO, if a 128meg part for a 770 has 16 chips on it, they must be 16x4, > and the problem with doing this in a thinkpad 770 or other notebook is > the aforementioned real estate problem.. that, apparently, is the only > serious problem to using 16x4 over 16x8 chips.. Hmmm, I can't imagine how anyone can fit 16 chips on a board that small since even with 4 chips per side, it's already close to full capacity. I mean even with all the other DIMM's for the TP's I've seen before, none of them exceeded 4 chips per side. > in the case of desktop machines, which i think you may be referring > to, all the chips can be on one side for a 128meg part and on both > sides for a 256meg part... Hmmm.... the only problem is I haven't seen a single sided 128 meg DIMM before. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Thu Aug 5 08:44:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA18406 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:44:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09480; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:43:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09178; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09131; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:42:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu (128.226.6.3 -> bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:42:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (bg21331@localhost) by bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28520; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:42:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu: bg21331 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:42:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: bg21331@bingsun1 To: Allan Ballard cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: TP760CD mainboard: revisited In-Reply-To: <199908050122.UAA11420@dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > A question. > > The latch for the keyboard on the right side.....It keeps jamming. > This is the third time. > > Is this a design flaw for the TP760CD? > Allan, I have the 760CD and had the same problem. I spent a bit of time teasing the keyboard upwards and easing the switch forwards. Eventually it worked and hasn't been a problem since. No solutions, just encouragement. Sorry. Cheers, Ian Lunt -- ============================================================ Dept. of Geological Sciences State University of New York at Binghamton PO Box 6000 NY 13902-6000 USA From cph Thu Aug 5 08:50:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA18430 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:50:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10149; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:49:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09912; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icewall.vianet.on.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09899; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icewall.vianet.on.ca (209.91.128.10 -> icewall.vianet.on.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:48:57 -0400 Received: from cp01682aege.ae.ge.com (hunt-tcs3-port44.vianet.on.ca [209.91.148.195]) by icewall.vianet.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA28420 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37A98947.4D76@erols.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 08:53:27 -0400 From: Donald Malcolm MacQueen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Help - can't save my power settings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The hard drive on my 560 runs all the time on battery mode. I've gone into TP features, checked 'battery' custom, saved my settings, but when I go back in, 'automatic' is checked not battery. Thanks. From cph Thu Aug 5 09:14:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA18534 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:14:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11893; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:12:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11506; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11479; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (206.146.7.2 -> rattler.gtfc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:12:31 -0400 Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (root@localhost) by rattler.gtfc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11520; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:12:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from csc.com ([10.1.11.49]) by rattler.gtfc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11516; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:12:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37A98D85.AAC7CA4E@csc.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 08:11:33 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Swapfile in Ramdisk [was Re: TP 128meg RAM usage] References: <079101beded1$9caf5520$0100a8c0@desktop> <37A8CF66.65AADDE5@icanect.net> <37A8E4B2.132C792@netzero.net> <37A91ABD.AD3774A3@icanect.net> <37A94F04.F8A8437F@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: As I mentioned in an earlier posting, it is of little value to try accomplishing this feat. Having the swapfile in a ramdisk would not increase performance. The main usefulness of a ramdisk is to avoid actual disk I/O in disk-intensive applications when you have enough extra RAM over and above what your system needs to hold the data that would normally be read and written to a large data file on the hard drive. If you're using a swapfile, then, by definition, you are already running out of physical RAM that your system needs. (When I say "using a swapfile", I mean actually exceeding available physical memory and swapping data in and out of the file; not just having the placeholder file (win386.swp) created on your disk.) So, what you end up doing is taking away XX MB of memory for the ramdisk from what your PC would normally use for applications, which forces swapfile use sooner. Now your swapfile is in the ramdisk, so your physical I/O time is reduced, but there is still more overhead to do this (possibly a lot more) than if the PC was just moving that data to regular RAM on its own. If you're just trying it for the novelty of the challenge, then I apologize for discouraging you. However, if you're expecting performance gains then I'd leave well enough alone. Just my $0.02... Rob Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > I also thought so, but... > > The ramsisk is nicely created and appears in "My Computer" with > an icon that's a chip. > > Then the only way *I found* in Win95 for the user to assign the > swap file to a disk is in: > > Control Panel > System > Performance > Virtual memory > > Let me specify... > Hard disk box list of available choices > > and this "hard disk box" only lists the hard disks, not the > ramdisk. This limited choice of destinations for the swap file > to hard disks is the "MS gates gotcha"... unless there is other > way to do such an assignment, which I didn't find (yet). ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Minnesota Webmaster CSC Consulting Group, Minneapolis, MN rbell1@nospam@csc.com ------------------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Aug 5 09:38:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA18647 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:38:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13362; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:36:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13041; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from silverline.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12997; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from silverline.com (38.254.90.1 -> gate.silverline.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:35:58 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by silverline.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA00154 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(38.254.81.136) by gate.silverline.com via smap (3.2) id xma000138; Thu, 5 Aug 99 09:54:46 -0400 From: "A Kumar" To: Subject: RE: TP 128meg RAM usage Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:35:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bedf47$73e19bf0$8851fe26@thinkpad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37A94F04.F8A8437F@netzero.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Why are you trying to use a ram disk for virtual memory? It seems completely backwards. If you want to make sure your not swapping to the HD just turn off virtual memory. How does decreasing your free ram and severely limiting the size of your swap file help performance? The idea behind virtual memory is that when you have run out of actual ram your computer will start swapping info from ram to your HD to effectively give you more ram. Using a ram disk for virtual memory is just defeating the point. > I also thought so, but... > > The ramsisk is nicely created and appears in "My Computer" with > an icon that's a chip. > > Then the only way *I found* in Win95 for the user to assign the > swap file to a disk is in: > > Control Panel > System > Performance > Virtual memory > > Let me specify... > Hard disk box list of available choices > > and this "hard disk box" only lists the hard disks, not the > ramdisk. This limited choice of destinations for the swap file > to hard disks is the "MS gates gotcha"... unless there is other > way to do such an assignment, which I didn't find (yet). > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > JC.. > > it seems to me, without trying or reading anything, that one > creraded, the swap file > > can be allocated to the ramdisk.. > > > > i.e. boot up, create ramdisk during this process, then after From cph Thu Aug 5 09:42:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA18669 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:42:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14242; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:39:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13844; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13690; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.37 -> mail2.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:38:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 7555 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 1999 13:38:35 -0000 Received: from pppa38-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.90.97) by mail2.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 13:38:35 -0000 Message-ID: <37A9939D.7C893261@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 06:37:33 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Swapfile in Ramdisk [was Re: TP 128meg RAM usage] References: <079101beded1$9caf5520$0100a8c0@desktop> <37A8CF66.65AADDE5@icanect.net> <37A8E4B2.132C792@netzero.net> <37A91ABD.AD3774A3@icanect.net> <37A94F04.F8A8437F@netzero.net> <37A98D85.AAC7CA4E@csc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You are correct, that's probably Win95's rationale in not allowing ramdisks as possible destinations for the swapfile, HOWEVER, in this list and elsewhere it has been floated the idea that partitioning a physical RAM of 128MB into: a) 64MB for system RAM b) 64MB (the excess 64MB RAM of a total 128MB RAM) for a swapfile in ramdisk would be more effective for systems with chipsets with only a 64MB cacheable memory than using all the 128RAM as non-cacheable. Rob Bell wrote: > > As I mentioned in an earlier posting, it is of little value to try > accomplishing this feat. Having the swapfile in a ramdisk would not > increase performance. The main usefulness of a ramdisk is to avoid > actual disk I/O in disk-intensive applications when you have enough > extra RAM over and above what your system needs to hold the data that > would normally be read and written to a large data file on the hard > drive. If you're using a swapfile, then, by you are already > running out of physical RAM that your system needs. (When I say "using > a swapfile", I mean actually exceeding available physical memory and > swapping data in and out of the file; not just having the placeholder > file (win386.swp) created on your disk.) So, what you end up doing is > taking away XX MB of memory for the ramdisk from what your PC would > normally use for applications, which forces swapfile use sooner. Now > your swapfile is in the ramdisk, so your physical I/O time is reduced, > but there is still more overhead to do this (possibly a lot more) than > if the PC was just moving that data to regular RAM on its own. > > If you're just trying it for the novelty of the challenge, then I > apologize for discouraging you. However, if you're expecting > performance gains then I'd leave well enough alone. > > Just my $0.02... > Rob > > Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > > > I also thought so, but... > > > > The ramsisk is nicely created and appears in "My Computer" with > > an icon that's a chip. > > > > Then the only way *I found* in Win95 for the user to assign the > > swap file to a disk is in: > > > > Control Panel > System > Performance > Virtual memory > > > Let me specify... > Hard disk box list of available choices > > > > and this "hard disk box" only lists the hard disks, not the > > ramdisk. This limited choice of destinations for the swap file > > to hard disks is the "MS gates gotcha"... unless there is other > > way to do such an assignment, which I didn't find (yet). > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Rob Bell > Senior Consultant, CPD Professional > CSC Minnesota Webmaster > CSC Consulting Group, Minneapolis, MN > rbell1@nospam@csc.com > ------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Thu Aug 5 09:42:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA18677 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:42:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13841; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:36:40 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13110; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:36:37 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id JAA29285 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25073; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:49:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17355; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:48:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:48:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bruce Markowitz cc: Bill Morrow , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP 128meg memory prices In-Reply-To: <37A8E210.433F@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Bruce Markowitz wrote: Either you can't count or you have been smoking something... There is no way I could've sent 20 messages... Which already shows how clueless you can be. When you need help, do you get flamed? Get some clue juice for crying out loud. Atleast I was on topic. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > The only thing that irritates me is to have 20 Vincent Poy messages on > the same topic apear in my mailbox. > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > > > hERE WE GO AGAIN... > > > If you want to have a private conversation, do it by e-mail, not on the > > > list|! > > > > It's not really offtopic since it was pertaining to ThinkPad > > memory. Now a question I have for you is that it seems every topic from > > the planet earth irritates you, why do you even bother joining the mailing > > list in the first place? > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > From cph Thu Aug 5 09:58:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA18772 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:58:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15979; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:52:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15413; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15399; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.119 -> pilot019.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:52:15 -0400 Received: from andres (port04.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.5]) by pilot019.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA89536 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:52:10 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990805095222.00a74aa0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 09:52:22 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Swapfile in Ramdisk [was Re: TP 128meg RAM usage] In-Reply-To: <37A9939D.7C893261@netzero.net> References: <079101beded1$9caf5520$0100a8c0@desktop> <37A8CF66.65AADDE5@icanect.net> <37A8E4B2.132C792@netzero.net> <37A91ABD.AD3774A3@icanect.net> <37A94F04.F8A8437F@netzero.net> <37A98D85.AAC7CA4E@csc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: That doesn't make sense to me. Granted, having non-cached memory above the 64M mark is slower, but by using that ram as a ram disk you haven't gained anything. If that slower memory is used as normal ram, you've more memory to avoid swapping with. Given that a swap operation is a far more complex operation (and time consuming) than a write to memory, anything you can do to avoid swapping is a big win. That slower memory above 64M is still a LOT faster than writing anything to disk. Now, using that slower 64M as a ram disk means that once the original memory is exhausted the ram drive kicks in. So then, you have the additional overhead of invoking writes to the swapfile, when you could have used that swapfile space for ram. You also limit your swapfile to 64M which isn't good, but I'll leave that one alone. This is not a winning situation. Using that slower ram as ram is really a far better (and faster) idea. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 06:37 AM 8/5/99 -0700, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: >You are correct, that's probably Win95's rationale in not >allowing ramdisks as possible destinations for the swapfile, >HOWEVER, in this list and elsewhere it has been floated the >idea that partitioning a physical RAM of 128MB into: > a) 64MB for system RAM > b) 64MB (the excess 64MB RAM of a total 128MB RAM) for a > swapfile in ramdisk >would be more effective for systems with chipsets with only a >64MB cacheable memory than using all the 128RAM as non-cacheable. > >Rob Bell wrote: >> >> As I mentioned in an earlier posting, it is of little value to try >> accomplishing this feat. Having the swapfile in a ramdisk would not >> increase performance. The main usefulness of a ramdisk is to avoid ... 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(If you sent your subscribe message to the whole list, that's okay, but please use the -REQUEST address next time!) 3. When sending a message to the list about a particular kind of thinkpad, put the model of that thinkpad in the Subject field. Example: Subject: [TP750] audio support for Linux? 4. When replying to a message, look at the Subject field. If the discussion topic has strayed so that the Subject field is no longer appropriate, choose a new Subject. 5. Messages to the thinkpad list should be plain text. If you send some message content other than plain text, your message may be bounced, or silently discarded. ThinkPad is almost certainly a trademark of IBM. The FAQ for this group is available for anonymous ftp from swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu, directory pub/archive/thinkpad/faq (URL: ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/faq/ ) Thanks to Sean Chou for maintaining the FAQ. 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From cph Thu Aug 5 10:23:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA18927 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:23:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18303; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:21:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18086; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0c.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18073; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0c.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.32 -> www0c.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:21:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 3261 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 1999 13:52:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19990805135203.3260.qmail@www0c.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.32 by www0c via web-mailer(M3.2.0.53) on Thu Aug 5 13:52:03 GMT 1999 Date: 5 Aug 99 08:52:03 CDT From: Rob Bell To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Swapfile in Ramdisk [was Re: TP 128meg RAM usage] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.53) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by montreux.ai.mit.edu id KAA18928 Ahhh, so that's where the idea is coming from. Well, allow me to shoot that one down... The issue regarding the chipset and caching 64MB will not be remedied or worked around by anything you do to alter the RAM usage within an operating system. The fact that the chipset cannot cache over 64MB is purely physical and at the board level. Even if you choose to not give the O/S over 64MB, the chipset will still be using the entire memory (128MB in your case) as inefficiently as if you let the O/S have complete control of it all. By creating a ramdisk/swapfile you'll just slow things down by reducing available system RAM and increasing overhead, while the chipset continues to not cache the memory. I hope this information is useful. Rob Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > You are correct, that's probably Win95's rationale in not > allowing ramdisks as possible destinations for the swapfile, > HOWEVER, in this list and elsewhere it has been floated the > idea that partitioning a physical RAM of 128MB into: > a) 64MB for system RAM > b) 64MB (the excess 64MB RAM of a total 128MB RAM) for a > swapfile in ramdisk > would be more effective for systems with chipsets with only a > 64MB cacheable memory than using all the 128RAM as non-cacheable. > ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Thu Aug 5 12:05:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA19676 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:05:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26863; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:58:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26716; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26696; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:58:43 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-430.gate.net [199.227.131.239]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA333134; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:58:42 -0400 Message-ID: <37A9B49B.81B135A1@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:58:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Swapfile in Ramdisk [was Re: TP 128meg RAM usage] References: <079101beded1$9caf5520$0100a8c0@desktop> <37A8CF66.65AADDE5@icanect.net> <37A8E4B2.132C792@netzero.net> <37A91ABD.AD3774A3@icanect.net> <37A94F04.F8A8437F@netzero.net> <37A98D85.AAC7CA4E@csc.com> <3.0.6.32.19990805095222.00a74aa0@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: STEve... on the face of it, you are correct.. BUT, these are portable systems, and with 320megs (and more coming, eventually) available, i think a swapfile in a ramdisk is better than on the drive, when running from battery... or in the unlikely event of a drive that full with useless trash and left over files that one has little time to deal with.. besides this is more of an "intellectual exercise" than a "lets speed things up" exercise... AND, on some occasions, a ramdisk is a better solution than mere 'raw' memory, IMHO... :-) STeve Andre' wrote: > That doesn't make sense to me. Granted, having non-cached memory > above the 64M mark is slower, but by using that ram as a ram disk > you haven't gained anything. > > If that slower memory is used as normal ram, you've more memory > to avoid swapping with. Given that a swap operation is a far more > complex operation (and time consuming) than a write to memory, > anything you can do to avoid swapping is a big win. That slower > memory above 64M is still a LOT faster than writing anything to > disk. > > Now, using that slower 64M as a ram disk means that once the original > memory is exhausted the ram drive kicks in. So then, you have the > additional overhead of invoking writes to the swapfile, when you > could have used that swapfile space for ram. You also limit your > swapfile to 64M which isn't good, but I'll leave that one alone. > > This is not a winning situation. Using that slower ram as ram is > really a far better (and faster) idea. > > --STeve Andre' > andres@pilot.msu.edu > > At 06:37 AM 8/5/99 -0700, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > >You are correct, that's probably Win95's rationale in not > >allowing ramdisks as possible destinations for the swapfile, > >HOWEVER, in this list and elsewhere it has been floated the > >idea that partitioning a physical RAM of 128MB into: > > a) 64MB for system RAM > > b) 64MB (the excess 64MB RAM of a total 128MB RAM) for a > > swapfile in ramdisk > >would be more effective for systems with chipsets with only a > >64MB cacheable memory than using all the 128RAM as non-cacheable. > > > >Rob Bell wrote: > >> > >> As I mentioned in an earlier posting, it is of little value to try > >> accomplishing this feat. Having the swapfile in a ramdisk would not > >> increase performance. The main usefulness of a ramdisk is to avoid > ... -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Aug 5 12:06:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA19688 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:06:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27604; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:04:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27415; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27384; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:04:20 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-430.gate.net [199.227.131.239]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA430256; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:04:14 -0400 Message-ID: <37A9B5E8.65EEBB57@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:03:52 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Swapfile in Ramdisk [was Re: TP 128meg RAM usage] References: <079101beded1$9caf5520$0100a8c0@desktop> <37A8CF66.65AADDE5@icanect.net> <37A8E4B2.132C792@netzero.net> <37A91ABD.AD3774A3@icanect.net> <37A94F04.F8A8437F@netzero.net> <37A98D85.AAC7CA4E@csc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: WHY is it no one sees the power saving possibilities in a big ramdisk AND also keeping often used small apps in a ramdisk rather than on a hard disk..?? i must be getting old..! or dumber..!! :-) Rob Bell wrote: > As I mentioned in an earlier posting, it is of little value to try > accomplishing this feat. Having the swapfile in a ramdisk would not > increase performance. The main usefulness of a ramdisk is to avoid > actual disk I/O in disk-intensive applications when you have enough > extra RAM over and above what your system needs to hold the data that > would normally be read and written to a large data file on the hard > drive. If you're using a swapfile, then, by definition, you are already > running out of physical RAM that your system needs. (When I say "using > a swapfile", I mean actually exceeding available physical memory and > swapping data in and out of the file; not just having the placeholder > file (win386.swp) created on your disk.) So, what you end up doing is > taking away XX MB of memory for the ramdisk from what your PC would > normally use for applications, which forces swapfile use sooner. Now > your swapfile is in the ramdisk, so your physical I/O time is reduced, > but there is still more overhead to do this (possibly a lot more) than > if the PC was just moving that data to regular RAM on its own. > > If you're just trying it for the novelty of the challenge, then I > apologize for discouraging you. However, if you're expecting > performance gains then I'd leave well enough alone. > > Just my $0.02... > Rob > > Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > > > I also thought so, but... > > > > The ramsisk is nicely created and appears in "My Computer" with > > an icon that's a chip. > > > > Then the only way *I found* in Win95 for the user to assign the > > swap file to a disk is in: > > > > Control Panel > System > Performance > Virtual memory > > > Let me specify... > Hard disk box list of available choices > > > > and this "hard disk box" only lists the hard disks, not the > > ramdisk. This limited choice of destinations for the swap file > > to hard disks is the "MS gates gotcha"... unless there is other > > way to do such an assignment, which I didn't find (yet). > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Rob Bell > Senior Consultant, CPD Professional > CSC Minnesota Webmaster > CSC Consulting Group, Minneapolis, MN > rbell1@nospam@csc.com > ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Aug 5 12:08:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA19724 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:08:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28208; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:06:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27842; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27559; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:05:05 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-430.gate.net [199.227.131.239]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA11512; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:02:11 -0400 Message-ID: <37A9B56D.17424A7C@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:01:50 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: A Kumar CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 128meg RAM usage References: <000001bedf47$73e19bf0$8851fe26@thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: not entirely, see my other comment irt battery operation and intellectual exercises.. these things ARE intellectual toys as well as really great tools, no?! :-) A Kumar wrote: > Why are you trying to use a ram disk for virtual memory? It seems > completely backwards. If you want to make sure your not swapping to the HD > just turn off virtual memory. How does decreasing your free ram and > severely limiting the size of your swap file help performance? The idea > behind virtual memory is that when you have run out of actual ram your > computer will start swapping info from ram to your HD to effectively give > you more ram. Using a ram disk for virtual memory is just defeating the > point. > > > I also thought so, but... > > > > The ramsisk is nicely created and appears in "My Computer" with > > an icon that's a chip. > > > > Then the only way *I found* in Win95 for the user to assign the > > swap file to a disk is in: > > > > Control Panel > System > Performance > Virtual memory > > > Let me specify... > Hard disk box list of available choices > > > > and this "hard disk box" only lists the hard disks, not the > > ramdisk. This limited choice of destinations for the swap file > > to hard disks is the "MS gates gotcha"... unless there is other > > way to do such an assignment, which I didn't find (yet). > > > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > JC.. > > > it seems to me, without trying or reading anything, that one > > creraded, the swap file > > > can be allocated to the ramdisk.. > > > > > > i.e. boot up, create ramdisk during this process, then after -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Aug 5 12:11:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA19736 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:11:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28671; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:09:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28453; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28300; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:08:20 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-430.gate.net [199.227.131.239]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA437828; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:08:23 -0400 Message-ID: <37A9B6E1.EAAD2250@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:08:01 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP 128meg memory prices now a meaningless discussion of chips and real estate References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > Hello Bill, > > > DIMM = Dual Inline Memory Module of the type used in notebooks... > > in this case, the DIMM's i refer to are the type used in the 770 series of > > thinkpad.. > > Yeah, I was referring to those as well since those are called > SODIMM's and 144 pin versus DIMM's which by definition is 168 pins. > ahh HAH..!! apples and oranges..!! lets stick to thinkpad memory and forget desktop memory.. its a completely different monkey... different chips, more real estate, and so on.. > > > SO, if a 128meg part for a 770 has 16 chips on it, they must be 16x4, > > and the problem with doing this in a thinkpad 770 or other notebook is > > the aforementioned real estate problem.. that, apparently, is the only > > serious problem to using 16x4 over 16x8 chips.. > > Hmmm, I can't imagine how anyone can fit 16 chips on a board that > small since even with 4 chips per side, it's already close to full > capacity. I mean even with all the other DIMM's for the TP's I've seen > before, none of them exceeded 4 chips per side. > right.. but i imagine the 16x4 would be smaller.. but not exactly half size..? > > > in the case of desktop machines, which i think you may be referring > > to, all the chips can be on one side for a 128meg part and on both > > sides for a 256meg part... > > Hmmm.... the only problem is I haven't seen a single sided 128 meg > DIMM before. > i don't think you will for a while.. if the real estate is there, populate it with cheaper chips.. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Aug 5 12:19:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA19777 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:19:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00118; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:16:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29854; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29834; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:16:41 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-430.gate.net [199.227.131.239]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA173768; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:16:50 -0400 Message-ID: <37A9B8DC.8AB07BF2@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:16:28 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 128meg RAM usage, response References: <079101beded1$9caf5520$0100a8c0@desktop> <37A8CF66.65AADDE5@icanect.net> <37A8E4B2.132C792@netzero.net> <37A91ABD.AD3774A3@icanect.net> <37A94F04.F8A8437F@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: JC.. as stated, i've not tried it (yet) but thanks for doing the work.. still a ramdisk is a good place to keep often used apps and utilities.. remember, power can be saved when not accessing a physical drive.. also, a search of the web might yeild a hacker whose found a way to get around this MS inspired road block.. this is why i think gates is an arrogant SOB.. they, MS & Cie, try to control the user beyond whats acceptable.. Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > I also thought so, but... > > The ramsisk is nicely created and appears in "My Computer" with > an icon that's a chip. > > Then the only way *I found* in Win95 for the user to assign the > swap file to a disk is in: > > Control Panel > System > Performance > Virtual memory > > Let me specify... > Hard disk box list of available choices > > and this "hard disk box" only lists the hard disks, not the > ramdisk. This limited choice of destinations for the swap file > to hard disks is the "MS gates gotcha"... unless there is other > way to do such an assignment, which I didn't find (yet). > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > JC.. > > it seems to me, without trying or reading anything, that one creraded, the swap file > > can be allocated to the ramdisk.. > > > > i.e. boot up, create ramdisk during this process, then after ramdisk has been > > created, assign swap file thereto..?! > > > > i THINK that should work.. unless theres some hidden little "gotcha!"... > > > > Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > > > > I made it but Win95 Virtual Memory utility > > > did not list the ramdisk as a possible > > > destination for the swap file. > > > > > > Let me know if you find how. > > > > > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > > Robert.. > > > > thanks for that inspiring news.. :-) > > > > uhh, i suppose i'll see if i can set up a ram-disk, just for fun.. > > > > (for the swap file, of course) > > > > > > > > **SNIP** > > > > Note to the mail content cops: i changed the subject line, deleted the useless stuff > > and made my reply at the top.. :-) > > > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Aug 5 12:20:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA19784 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:20:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00682; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:18:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00257; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00206; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:18:06 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-430.gate.net [199.227.131.239]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA219776; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:18:14 -0400 Message-ID: <37A9B930.66F67809@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:17:52 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Bruce Markowitz , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP 128meg memory prices References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: BOYS, BOYS.. taske it out back of the barn..!! :-) Vincent Poy wrote: > On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > Either you can't count or you have been smoking something... > There is no way I could've sent 20 messages... Which already shows how > clueless you can be. When you need help, do you get flamed? Get some > clue juice for crying out loud. Atleast I was on topic. **SNIPPITY SNIP** -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Aug 5 12:47:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA20001 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:47:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02940; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:45:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02719; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02706; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.39 -> mail4.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:45:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 21340 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 1999 16:45:43 -0000 Received: from pppa6-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.90.65) by mail4.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 16:45:43 -0000 Message-ID: <37A9BF7A.7F4BE718@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 09:44:42 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 128meg RAM usage, response References: <079101beded1$9caf5520$0100a8c0@desktop> <37A8CF66.65AADDE5@icanect.net> <37A8E4B2.132C792@netzero.net> <37A91ABD.AD3774A3@icanect.net> <37A94F04.F8A8437F@netzero.net> <37A9B8DC.8AB07BF2@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Some comments intercalated: Bill Morrow wrote: > JC.. > as stated, i've not tried it (yet) but thanks for doing the work.. > still a ramdisk is a good place to keep often used apps and utilities.. Sure, I used to run many programs from ramdisks (before the MB and GB times...). > remember, power can be saved when not accessing a physical drive.. > > also, a search of the web might yeild a hacker whose found a way to get around this MS > inspired road block.. I've been looking around. Somebody suggested a VRAMDISK program (or similar name). However, such thing does not block a fixed size of RAM, it allows for the *.TMP files to be written to it, and when I tried to tell it to write the *.SWP file, it took my "order" but... > this is why i think gates is an arrogant SOB.. > they, MS & Cie, try to control the user beyond whats acceptable.. ...but M$ refused to accept my "order" and wrote the *.SWP to the HDD! So, your comment about the gated arrogance is well founded... Also the VRAM... thing is shareware that allows, without registration, only a VERY SHORT TIME to test it (I think 30 min). After this time, it splashed my HDD with a 100 MB of *.TMP files... plus some KMB of *.SWP that M$ defaulted to C: while I want it in D: (ONLY because C: is full of leftover uncollected garbage from Win95 apps). Now, you must be *too honest* ;-) because thanks to M$ "decisions" you are making $$$ helping us to get RAM, HDD accessories, HDDs, etc. See: Bill Gates contributing to Bill Morrow's net worth ;-) Sorry, I can't type when I'm laughing as loud as now... and it's getting off TP topic... > Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > > I also thought so, but... > > > > The ramsisk is nicely created and appears in "My Computer" with > > an icon that's a chip. > > > > Then the only way *I found* in Win95 for the user to assign the > > swap file to a disk is in: > > > > Control Panel > System > Performance > Virtual memory > > > Let me specify... > Hard disk box list of available choices > > > > and this "hard disk box" only lists the hard disks, not the > > ramdisk. This limited choice of destinations for the swap file > > to hard disks is the "MS gates gotcha"... unless there is other > > way to do such an assignment, which I didn't find (yet). > > > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > JC.. > > > it seems to me, without trying or reading anything, that one creraded, the swap file > > > can be allocated to the ramdisk.. > > > > > > i.e. boot up, create ramdisk during this process, then after ramdisk has been > > > created, assign swap file thereto..?! > > > > > > i THINK that should work.. unless theres some hidden little "gotcha!"... > > > > > > Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > > > > > > I made it but Win95 Virtual Memory utility > > > > did not list the ramdisk as a possible > > > > destination for the swap file. > > > > > > > > Let me know if you find how. > > > > > > > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Robert.. > > > > > thanks for that inspiring news.. :-) > > > > > uhh, i suppose i'll see if i can set up a ram-disk, just for fun.. > > > > > (for the swap file, of course) > > > > > > > > > > > **SNIP** > > > > > > Note to the mail content cops: i changed the subject line, deleted the useless stuff > > > and made my reply at the top.. :-) > > > > > > > -- > > ________________________________________________________ > > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Thu Aug 5 13:01:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20096 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:01:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04253; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:59:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04023; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03996; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.106 -> pilot006.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:59:36 -0400 Received: from andres (pm453-20.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.174]) by pilot006.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA76448 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:59:32 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990805125946.00a79c20@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:59:46 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Swapfile in Ramdisk [was Re: TP 128meg RAM usage] In-Reply-To: <37A9B49B.81B135A1@icanect.net> References: <079101beded1$9caf5520$0100a8c0@desktop> <37A8CF66.65AADDE5@icanect.net> <37A8E4B2.132C792@netzero.net> <37A91ABD.AD3774A3@icanect.net> <37A94F04.F8A8437F@netzero.net> <37A98D85.AAC7CA4E@csc.com> <3.0.6.32.19990805095222.00a74aa0@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Bill, given enough ram I would agree with you. I was mostly commenting on the idea of a 128M system where memory was split betweeen ram and ram disk. With enough ram however you could do that and it would make sense. Unforunately I know of no laptop that allows even 512M of ram, let alone a couple of gig. How much ram can you stuff into any of the TP's? I thought that 320M was the maximum amount on the 770. Are there any that can take more? STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 11:58 AM 8/5/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >STEve... > >on the face of it, you are correct.. >BUT, these are portable systems, and with 320megs (and more coming, >eventually) available, i think a swapfile in a ramdisk is better than on >the drive, when running from battery... or in the unlikely event of a drive >that full with useless trash and left over files that one has little time >to deal with.. > >besides this is more of an "intellectual exercise" than a "lets speed >things up" exercise... > >AND, on some occasions, a ramdisk is a better solution than mere 'raw' >memory, IMHO... :-) > >STeve Andre' wrote: > >> That doesn't make sense to me. Granted, having non-cached memory >> above the 64M mark is slower, but by using that ram as a ram disk >> you haven't gained anything. >> >> If that slower memory is used as normal ram, you've more memory >> to avoid swapping with. Given that a swap operation is a far more >> complex operation (and time consuming) than a write to memory, >> anything you can do to avoid swapping is a big win. That slower >> memory above 64M is still a LOT faster than writing anything to >> disk. >> >> Now, using that slower 64M as a ram disk means that once the original >> memory is exhausted the ram drive kicks in. So then, you have the >> additional overhead of invoking writes to the swapfile, when you >> could have used that swapfile space for ram. You also limit your >> swapfile to 64M which isn't good, but I'll leave that one alone. >> >> This is not a winning situation. Using that slower ram as ram is >> really a far better (and faster) idea. >> >> --STeve Andre' >> andres@pilot.msu.edu >> >> At 06:37 AM 8/5/99 -0700, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: >> >You are correct, that's probably Win95's rationale in not >> >allowing ramdisks as possible destinations for the swapfile, >> >HOWEVER, in this list and elsewhere it has been floated the >> >idea that partitioning a physical RAM of 128MB into: >> > a) 64MB for system RAM >> > b) 64MB (the excess 64MB RAM of a total 128MB RAM) for a >> > swapfile in ramdisk >> >would be more effective for systems with chipsets with only a >> >64MB cacheable memory than using all the 128RAM as non-cacheable. >> > >> >Rob Bell wrote: >> >> >> >> As I mentioned in an earlier posting, it is of little value to try >> >> accomplishing this feat. Having the swapfile in a ramdisk would not >> >> increase performance. The main usefulness of a ramdisk is to avoid >> ... > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will >vary, Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > From cph Thu Aug 5 14:04:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA20459 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:04:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08777; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:01:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08483; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08469; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:01:19 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg128-091.ricochet.net [204.179.128.91]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA17379; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:01:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: , "Bill Morrow" , Subject: Swapfile on RAMdisk (No, no, no!) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:01:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <37A8E4B2.132C792@netzero.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: For anyone who is experimenting with putting a Windows swapfile on a RAMdisk, don't bother. There is no benefit at all in doing this, only a loss of performance and available memory. The swapfile is not a special thing that Windows needs to have and enjoys using. It is merely a slower substitute for memory, nothing more or less. If your Windows applications are using more memory than is physically available, Windows can use part of the disk as if it were memory. To do this, it swaps pages in and out between physical memory and the disk. By doing this swapping, the operating system lets programs run as if there were more memory available than is physically in the machine. Suppose you manage to create a 32Mb RAMdisk in which you'll place your swapfile. By doing that, you've reduced the available physical memory in your machine by 32Mb. Therefore, Windows will need to start swapping 32Mb sooner than it would have otherwise. You've gained absolutely nothing, you've lost some performance, and you won't even get back the whole 32Mb in swap space because of file system overhead. If you have enough memory in your machine that you'd like to eliminate swapping to disk, simply use the system control panel to turn off virtual memory completely. This will eliminate disk swapping, at the cost of limiting your memory use to what's physically available in the machine. This is the exact same benefit you'd hope to gain by putting the swapfile in a RAMdisk, except you eliminate all the software overhead. You just use memory as memory. If your machine currently does swap to disk with the set of applications you use, that means you're using more memory than the machine actually has. If you eliminate swapping, you'll also reduce the number and size of applications you can load. But if you'd loaded that smaller number of applications in the first place, you wouldn't be swapping anyway. Turning off swapping just prevents you from loading more apps than fit in memory. -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Thu Aug 5 14:20:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA20570 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:20:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10400; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:18:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10031; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0c.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09993; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0c.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.32 -> www0c.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:17:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 7920 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 1999 17:48:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19990805174810.7919.qmail@www0c.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.32 by www0c via web-mailer(M3.2.0.53) on Thu Aug 5 17:48:10 GMT 1999 Date: 5 Aug 99 12:48:10 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Bill Morrow Subject: Re: Swapfile in Ramdisk [was Re: TP 128meg RAM usage] CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.53) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by montreux.ai.mit.edu id OAA20571 Using a ramdisk to hold frequently loaded and unloaded apps (as in their actual *.exe files) is a completely different thing than putting the swapfile there. Given that you want to use your huge extra memory to hold frequently accessed files for power saving reasons, I think you have a valid point. This assumes that you have more than enough RAM for your running applications so that you've got enough room for the ramdrive. All this is good until your system needs to access more memory than you have available (total RAM - ramdisk), at which time performance takes a nosedive and you'd be better off ditching the ramdisk. Rob Bill Morrow wrote: > WHY is it no one sees the power saving possibilities in a big ramdisk AND > also keeping often used small apps in a ramdisk rather than on a hard > disk..?? > > i must be getting old..! or dumber..!! :-) > ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Thu Aug 5 14:34:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA20685 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:34:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12105; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:31:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11528; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eagle.sac.verio.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11506; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eagle.sac.verio.net (207.159.5.20 -> eagle.sac.verio.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:31:09 -0400 Received: from maxhome (pm04-19.sac.verio.net [209.162.64.132]) by eagle.sac.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA18702; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01bc01bedf71$b6cae000$8440a2d1@maxhome> From: "Douglas Hirsch, Maximum Upgrades" To: "Jane Loyless" Cc: Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:27:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Jane, Actually, "Pentium-level performance" can be achieved in the IBM ThinkPad 701 series. With the AMD5x86P75 microprocessor installed, the base clock rate set to 33MHz, and the 16K L1 cache write-back mode enabled, CPU performance is better than the P75. Various CPU benchmarks show a performance increase between 2 and 3 times faster than the original Intel 486. For DX4-75 models, CPU Dhrystones benchmarks increase from 26041 to 60975. Norton SI shows the CPU performance increasing from 95.4 to 287.9. Randal's 20% speed increase indicates that the 5x86 was installed, but the other features were not enabled. Best wishes, Douglas Hirsch Internet Support Maximum Upgrades tel (916) 361-2870 P.O. Box 276945 fax (916) 361-2880 Sacramento, CA 95827 http://www.maxup.com djhirsch@maxup.com "Software Bloat Solutions" (c) -----Original Message----- From: Jane Loyless To: ThinkPad Mailing List Date: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 10:32 AM Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results >>Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 16:29:12 -0800 >>To: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" >>From: Randal Whittle >>Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results >>Cc: "TP List" >>Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >> >>At 06:49 PM 12/31/97 -0500, Geovanny M. Ortiz wrote: >>>All these numbers are too technical for me. My question is: Is it worth >>>the money for the upgrade? >> >> Well, this is difficult for me to answer. I had wanted to just let the >>numbers speak for themselves and not render an opinion, but if forced, I'll >>editorialize a bit. >> >> In a nutshell, I don't think so--at least for me. >> >> I had a 486-75 MHz, so this upgrade boosted it to something about the same >>as a 486-100 MHz. Overall speed increase in typical applications...I'd say >>about 20%. >> >> For me, that's just not significant enough. For me, I require at *least* >>a 75% speed increase--preferably a 100% increase (at or near doubling) >>before I think its worth considering an upgrade. For me, in laptops I went >>from a Sharp 386SX-20, to a ThinkPad 750 (486SL-33), to a TP 701 >>(486-75--but I have to say that the smaller form factor of the 701 made the >>less-than-stellar performance increase less of an important factor), to >>finally a TP 560 (Pentium 120). In every case, that was a speed increase >>of about 2x or better (a little less in the case of the 701 acquisition >>over the 750). That's just something I require before I spend money on a >>new machine. >> >> Now an upgrade may be something different for you than it is for me. I >>always very much liked the 701--so much so that I rather missed it when I >>moved to a 560 (I gave the 701 to my wife, so it was still around), but I >>got over it without too much pain. For you, your 701 may be so near and >>dear to you that you can't imagine leaving it for another computer. ;-) >>If so, by all means--consider whether a 20% increase in speed is worth it >>to you to pay for the upgrade (or maybe even a greater increase--keep in >>mind I was upgrading a 486-75--many of you hav 486-50's out there that >>would see a considerably greater speed increase of 40% to 50% instead of my >>mere 20%). >> >> So would I have paid for this upgrade? No--not unless the price was >>somewhat nominal. 20% speed increase just doesn't do it for me. I barely >>notice it the difference. >> >> But that doesn't mean it isn't it worth it to you or to someone else that >>has different things that are important to them. For me, I've grown to >>really like my 560. Its thinner form factor has actually become preferable >>to me over the 701's smaller, but thicker form factor. I no longer pine >>for my 701. But for those of you who can't get over that, by all >>means--this upgrade is one way in which you might be able to justify >>stretching another year or two of use out of it. >> >> >>One final note: >> >> PEP appears to be a very different outfit than they were a year or two ago >>when they annoyed us all with their blatant advertising on the list. Their >>new salesman, Leonard, has been most helpful in allowing us to do this and >>upgrading my machine free of charge so I could do the benchmarks and report >>to the list about the results. >> >> And when this question about "OK, cut through the numbers crap--was the >>upgrade worth it?" was posed, my first reaction was, "Well, I don't want to >>bias the results with my opinion--just let the numbers speak for >>themselves." I wrote Leonard and told him what my truthful opinion >>was--which you see in my note above. I didn't want to convey that to the >>list because it seemed ungrateful to all they had given us to do this. >>Leonard's reaction? "Tell them the truth." >> >> Now if you ask me, that's integrity--because he knew the truth was less >>than flattering to their upgrade product. The previous sales guy who used >>to infect our TP list used to tout claims of "Pentium-level performance" >>(and we now know that claim is a pile of manure). >> >> If that integrity is any indication of how things have changed at PEP, I'd >>have to re-think my prior negative impression of them. No agenda--just >>honesty. I was surprised and relieved because I really felt a conflict in >>providing these results. I was determined to remain unbiased and >>honest--and I was. the numbers you see in the benchmarks are the >>gosh-awful truth and are not monkeyed with. >> >> My personal opinion was that this upgrade was no big improvement. But >>having said that, I think you should examine the performance difference and >>see if its worth it to *you*, rather than simply echoing what I had to say. >> >> >>------- >>Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 >>Director, Electronic Commerce Program >>Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California > From cph Thu Aug 5 14:36:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA20693 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:36:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11493; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:30:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11397; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11383; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.39 -> mail4.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:30:22 -0400 Received: (qmail 19771 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 1999 18:30:18 -0000 Received: from pppa32-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.90.91) by mail4.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 18:30:18 -0000 Message-ID: <37A9D7FD.163CE8C2@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:29:17 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu, Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Swapfile on RAMdisk (No, no, no!) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: This whole *real* experimenting was not about what you correctly discuss, but about what's missing there: the loss of performance (greater execution time of programs) when the physical memory is larger than the swappable memory for a given chipset and OS. Michael Geary wrote: > > For anyone who is experimenting with putting a Windows swapfile on a RAMdisk, don't bother. There is no benefit at all in doing > this, only a loss of performance and available memory. > > The swapfile is not a special thing that Windows needs to have and enjoys using. It is merely a slower substitute for memory, > nothing more or less. If your Windows applications are using more memory than is physically available, Windows can use part of the > disk as if it were memory. To do this, it swaps pages in and out between physical memory and the disk. By doing this swapping, the > operating system lets programs run as if there were more memory available than is physically in the machine. > > Suppose you manage to create a 32Mb RAMdisk in which you'll place your swapfile. By doing that, you've reduced the available > physical memory in your machine by 32Mb. Therefore, Windows will need to start swapping 32Mb sooner than it would have otherwise. > You've gained absolutely nothing, you've lost some performance, and you won't even get back the whole 32Mb in swap space because of > file system overhead. > > If you have enough memory in your machine that you'd like to eliminate swapping to disk, simply use the system control panel to turn > off virtual memory completely. This will eliminate disk swapping, at the cost of limiting your memory use to what's physically > available in the machine. This is the exact same benefit you'd hope to gain by putting the swapfile in a RAMdisk, except you > eliminate all the software overhead. You just use memory as memory. > > If your machine currently does swap to disk with the set of applications you use, that means you're using more memory than the > machine actually has. If you eliminate swapping, you'll also reduce the number and size of applications you can load. > > But if you'd loaded that smaller number of applications in the first place, you wouldn't be swapping anyway. Turning off swapping > just prevents you from loading more apps than fit in memory. > > -Mike > > ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Thu Aug 5 15:01:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA20912 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:01:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15688; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:58:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15233; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15033; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:58:00 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg-20425418-118.ricochet.net [204.254.18.118]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA27176; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:57:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: Cc: "Bill Morrow" , Subject: RE: Swapfile on RAMdisk (No, no, no!) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:57:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <37A9D7FD.163CE8C2@netzero.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > This whole *real* experimenting was not about what you correctly > discuss, but about what's missing there: the loss of performance > (greater execution time of programs) when the physical memory is > larger than the swappable memory for a given chipset and OS. I don't quite follow you there, but it's certainly true that anytime your software needs more memory than is physically available, it has to either swap to disk and run more slowly, or run with limitations (or crashes because of poor error recovery!), or just fail to run at all. -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Thu Aug 5 15:05:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA20975 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:05:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15328; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:57:43 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14988; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:57:41 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id OAA03829 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13476; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy3.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:44:26 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id LAA20780 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990805113858.04a56cc0@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:42:43 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Swapfile in Ramdisk [was Re: TP 128meg RAM usage] In-Reply-To: <37A9B5E8.65EEBB57@icanect.net> References: <079101beded1$9caf5520$0100a8c0@desktop> <37A8CF66.65AADDE5@icanect.net> <37A8E4B2.132C792@netzero.net> <37A91ABD.AD3774A3@icanect.net> <37A94F04.F8A8437F@netzero.net> <37A98D85.AAC7CA4E@csc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:03 AM 8/5/99 , you wrote: >WHY is it no one sees the power saving possibilities in a big ramdisk AND >also keeping often used small apps in a ramdisk rather than on a hard >disk..?? Why is it that between Bill Gates, Micro$oft and the current gaggle of programmers out there nobody knows how to write a "small app" anymore? Why, when I was growing up, I used to run a system with only 32KB (not MB) of memory and could run any number of applications (one at a time) in that amount of RAM, including the DOS! -- David Goldman From cph Thu Aug 5 15:19:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21073 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:19:57 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17887; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:18:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17626; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17590; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:18:11 -0400 Received: from richard (216-164-221-147.s147.tnt4.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.221.147]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id PAA07021 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990805150837.00acd690@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 15:18:19 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: 570,nt,memory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I've been trying NT4 sp5 on my 570. NT4 seems to run a touch cooler than win98se, although I don't understand why this would be the case. (Other than temperature and a few minor issues, I see no difference between nt and win98). The discussion of memory leads me, once again, to wonder if 128mb would work better than 64mb, either under nt or win98. NT's diagnostics report that of 64mb, 10mb is available, which suggests that more memory would not really make a difference. Am I missing something? My usual apps are InternetExplorer, Eudora, Word and 4dos (or 4nt). From cph Thu Aug 5 15:24:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21098 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:24:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18268; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:21:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18029; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18013; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:21:19 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-243.usc.edu [128.125.223.243]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id MAA21743 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990805114720.03126df0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:18:33 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results In-Reply-To: <01bc01bedf71$b6cae000$8440a2d1@maxhome> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:27 AM 8/5/99 -0700, you wrote: >Actually, "Pentium-level performance" can be achieved in the IBM ThinkPad >701 series. With the AMD5x86P75 microprocessor installed, the base clock >rate set to 33MHz, and the 16K L1 cache write-back mode enabled, CPU >performance is better than the P75. > >Various CPU benchmarks show a performance increase between 2 and 3 times >faster than the original Intel 486. For DX4-75 models, CPU Dhrystones >benchmarks increase from 26041 to 60975. Norton SI shows the CPU >performance increasing from 95.4 to 287.9. > >Randal's 20% speed increase indicates that the 5x86 was installed, but the >other features were not enabled. > >Best wishes, > >Douglas Hirsch >Internet Support >Maximum Upgrades Ahhh....No Doug, it doesn't indicate that at all. What it *really* indicates is that you're using phantom CPU-only benchmarks instead of real-world ones. By that, I mean to say that the Dhrystone and Norton SI stuff doesn't amount to squat. They measure CPU only--not overall sytem-level, which is all that really matters in the real world. The benchmarks I ran were far more indicative of what someone could expect to see in their computer's (specifically a 701) overall peformance increase. They were the ones that used real-world apps and did tests with those apps, etc. I forgot the name...ZD Labs made them...Winstone? Also some other stuff. I doubt that 20 months later I still have the spreadsheet I saved all this on, but I know I ran those same benchmarks on the pre-upgraded 701C (DX4-75) and the post-upgraded one, and also ran them on my TP 560 (a P-120) and a desktop Pentium Pro 200, just so I could have a real-world comparison across some other machines. The upgraded machine performed really quite well in CPU-only areas, but when put in context with the rest of the system overall--that is, general overall performance that a user can palatably see--the upgrade delivered a 20 to 25% performance increase over the stock 486 DX4-75. Unless you've got some new chip (other than the 5x86 I tested) that really *does* deliver on these claims of yours, I suggest you not try to snow anybody with claims of 2x to 3x speed increase over the original. The reality is that just isn't the case, unless perhaps you're measuring in a vacuum where CPU's operate alone without outside influences. OR...here's a much better idea: You could put your money where your mouth is, just as the good folks at PEP did 20 months ago. We on the list will come up with an objective, neutral 3rd party 701C owner with the technical know-how to execute "before" and "after" tests using a *legitimate* benchmark like the ZD Winstone tests, and we'll see if indeed the upgraded 701C is 2 or 3 times faster as your claims insinuate. Are you up to proving your claims? We're daring ya. If you're not, then please quit making the phony claims on this list. Jane went through the trouble of digging up the benchmarking I did 20 months ago, and she's only the tip of the iceberg. We've got plenty of people willing to out-shout any B.S. claims until you're willing to let an objective 3rd party that *we* choose prove it to us. Are you game? This can be put to rest, once and for all. If the results >from this unbiased 3rd party tester *really* show a 701C that is...oh, we'll say 2.5X as fast as the original in overall system performance (evenly split between 2X and 3X), I will personally make a public apology to the entire list and endorse your upgrade. The only caveats are (1) We (the list) chooses the tester, (2) the testing system is otherwise unchanged, and (3) you do the upgrade on that tester's 701C free of charge. These are the exact same terms PEP did it for when I benchmarked their upgrade. And they never pressured me to report anything other than the truth. That truth was a 20 to 25% overall system boost over the stock 486 DX4-75. And oh, yes--one more thing: The base 701 being upgraded/benchmark must start from the 75 MHz version of the 486-DX4 chip, 50 Mhz one. Are you really sure it will double or triple system performance? I'd like to see it. Let's see. - Randy Whittle From cph Thu Aug 5 15:25:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21110 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:25:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18841; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:23:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18429; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18385; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:23:00 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA05162; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:22:52 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <005d01bedf77$f4bd46e0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "David Goldman" References: <079101beded1$9caf5520$0100a8c0@desktop><37A8CF66.65AADDE5@icanect.net><37A8E4B2.132C792@netzero.net><37A91ABD.AD3774A3@icanect.net><37A94F04.F8A8437F@netzero.net><37A98D85.AAC7CA4E@csc.com> <4.2.0.58.19990805113858.04a56cc0@shell9.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: Swapfile in Ramdisk [was Re: TP 128meg RAM usage] Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:23:09 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: David G: > Why, when I was growing up, I used to run a system with only 32KB (not MB) > of memory and could run any number of applications (one at a time) in that > amount of RAM, including the DOS! Youngster! Try wordprocessor, database program, and a couple of games, all running simultaneously and comfortably in 8kb (coded in Forth, of course). The word processor alone ran comfortably in 1k (plus the os/Forth kernel, another 1 k). The funny thing is that Gates first got into the game by squeezing a decent Basic into small memories - maybe W9x would have been much better had he done all the coding:-) - David R. From cph Thu Aug 5 15:29:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21145 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:29:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19619; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:27:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19429; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19375; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:27:31 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA05184; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:27:24 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <006901bedf78$978ca8c0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "richard" References: <4.2.0.58.19990805150837.00acd690@pop.rcn.com> Subject: Re: 570,nt,memory Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:27:41 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > NT4 seems to run a touch cooler than win98se, although I don't understand > why this would be the case. (Other than temperature and a few minor > issues, I see no difference between nt and win98). Easy. NT (like OS2 and *unlike* W9x) will add halt cycles to parts of the CPU not being used. This is the basis for CPU cooling programs (e.g. Rain, Waterfall, CPUIdle), which can bring down the temperature of a Pentium machine by quite a bit (20% decrease on our home desktop machine temp using Rain) with no visible decrease in performance. - David R. From cph Thu Aug 5 15:36:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21186 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:36:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21009; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:32:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20245; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail6.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20228; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail6.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.60 -> mail6.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:32:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 25751 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 1999 19:32:18 -0000 Received: from pppa69-tucson15-4r691.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.207.35) by mail6.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 19:32:18 -0000 Message-ID: <37A9E685.26F5AA50@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:31:17 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu, Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Swapfile on RAMdisk (No, no, no!) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I hope this posting is easier to understand than the preceding ones because that lack of following that you mention is precisely at the root of the experimenting being discussed. Until one considers the difference between swappable memory and non-swappable memory, large part of the preceding postings and conclusions are moot. A good starting point to understand the concept and functioning of swappable memory is in the Intel web site for developers. One of the points raised there is precisely what I referred to in my last posting, namely loss of performance (i.e., greater execution time of programs) when the physical memory is larger than the swappable memory for a given chipset and OS. This happens because when the physical memory is larger then the size of the swappable memory determined by the chipset, the software is ALL loaded into memory that is not cacheable, thus causing it to perform slower. A few days ago I posted experimental results about this effect. The program being tested was about 10% slower with physical memories greater than 64MB. This is the size cached by the given chipset in my TP770 (95491AU). The GUI interfaces behaved much better, though. And the memory leaks took longer time to fill all the memory... meaning that systems with more memory took longer times to execute programs but had faster GUI displays and took longer times to crash. Michael Geary wrote: > > > This whole *real* experimenting was not about what you correctly > > discuss, but about what's missing there: the loss of performance > > (greater execution time of programs) when the physical memory is > > larger than the swappable memory for a given chipset and OS. > > I don't quite follow you there, but it's certainly true that anytime your software needs more memory than is physically available, > it has to either swap to disk and run more slowly, or run with limitations (or crashes because of poor error recovery!), or just > fail to run at all. > > -Mike > > ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Thu Aug 5 15:36:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21190 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:36:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21054; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:32:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20317; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20242; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (142.90.100.1 -> erich.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:32:28 -0400 Received: from peter ([209.180.201.248]) by erich.triumf.ca with SMTP; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:31:13 -0700 From: "peter machule" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:30:12 -0700 Message-ID: <01bedf78$efa52640$LocalHost@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Me ....Me!! I want to be the tester. ;-} I have the Ziff Davis Benchmarks and in fact used to be a Beta tester for them . I have a 701C -75 , 40MB , 710MB HD . Anything else ? Peter Machule > > Are you really sure it will double or triple system performance? I'd like >to see it. Let's see. > >- Randy Whittle > From cph Thu Aug 5 15:40:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21232 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:40:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21648; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:39:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21373; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21355; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:38:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA18130; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:38:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:38:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990805114720.03126df0@rcf.usc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Randal Whittle wrote: > Are you really sure it will double or triple system performance? I'd like > to see it. Let's see. > > - Randy Whittle > I have a 701C in good condition. If the claims of 2.5X can be verified, I will consider paying to have my 701C upgraded. Sounds good to me. Bruce Komar From cph Thu Aug 5 15:46:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21266 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:46:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22461; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:43:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22125; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22109; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:42:58 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA05238; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:42:50 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <006f01bedf7a$bf50cba0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" References: <4.1.19990805114720.03126df0@rcf.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:43:08 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Randal, There *is* a possibility that PEP and Maximum Upgrades are somewhat different. You can upgrade a 486 with either a Cyrix chip or an AMD chip, and in either case there are questions about whether writeback/writethrough are enabled on the chip. This makes a pretty big difference, even on real-world apps. In addition, it might well be possible to crank up the clock speed on one of the slower (DX2-50) 701s from 25mhz to 33mhz as part of the upgrade, realizing in the process an even greater speed increase than you noticed in the upgrade of your already-33mhz DX2-75 (*especially* on system-level tasks). When I upgraded one of our desktops from DX2-66 to AMD5x133 I saw substantial improvement, even on real-world apps. On the other hand, I only paid $40 for the upgrade, and the improvements were nowhere near the improvements obtained 2 weeks ago when I threw in a new motherboard (AMD K6-2 CPU and 100mhz memory:-) Anyway, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a 100% speedup on a DX2-50 to DX4-133 upgrade with proper chip tweaks, even for real world stuff. But, that DX2-50 was pretty slow to begin with! - David From cph Thu Aug 5 16:06:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA21406 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:06:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23842; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:59:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23640; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23615; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:59:33 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg-20425418-118.ricochet.net [204.254.18.118]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA07273; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:59:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: Cc: "Bill Morrow" , Subject: RE: Swapfile on RAMdisk (No, no, no!) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:59:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <37A9E685.26F5AA50@netzero.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Oh! Now I get it! > ... the difference between swappable memory and > non-swappable memory ... loss of performance when the > physical memory is larger than the swappable memory > for a given chipset ... about 10% slower with physical > memories greater than 64MB. This is the size cached by the given > chipset in my TP770 (95491AU). You're talking about cacheable and non-cacheable memory (not swappable and non-swappable--that's something else entirely). For a system with only partial caching, you have an interesting point that I hadn't considered. Suppose you have a Pentium system with 128Mb and only the first 64Mb cached. You could let Windows manage the whole thing, but it may not realize that the first 64Mb is faster than the rest. If you could create a RAMdisk swapfile in the second 64Mb, then Windows would do its active work in the first 64Mb, swapping pages to the slower second 64Mb. It might be a performance win, and would certainly be interesting to find out about. For a Pentium II or any system where all the memory is cacheable and is the same speed, what I said remains true: You're better off just using memory as memory. From cph Thu Aug 5 16:18:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA21482 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:18:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25805; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:14:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25368; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25326; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.39 -> mail4.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:14:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 20298 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 1999 20:14:21 -0000 Received: from pppa48-tucson7-1r345.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.231.230) by mail4.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 20:14:21 -0000 Message-ID: <37A9F05A.D6B49D2B@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:13:14 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu, Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Swapfile on RAMdisk (No, no, no!) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Michael Geary wrote: > > Oh! Now I get it! Yes. > > ... the difference between swappable memory and > > non-swappable memory ... loss of performance when the > > physical memory is larger than the swappable memory > > for a given chipset ... about 10% slower with physical > > memories greater than 64MB. This is the size cached by the given > > chipset in my TP770 (95491AU). > You're talking about cacheable and non-cacheable memory (not swappable and > non-swappable--that's something else entirely). For a Yes. Indeed. OOPS! Mea culpa... Sorry for the huge mistake. > system with only partial caching, you have an interesting point that I hadn't > considered. That's the whole point... and less expensive than upgrading a whole system :-) > Suppose you have a Pentium system with 128Mb and only the first 64Mb cached. You > could let Windows manage the whole thing, but it > may not realize that the first 64Mb is faster than the rest. If you could create a > RAMdisk swapfile in the second 64Mb, then Windows > would do its active work in the first 64Mb, swapping pages to the slower second > 64Mb. Yes, that was the idea being floated in this list some time ago, and we finally are trying to test it. > It might be a performance win, and would certainly be interesting to find out > about. > For a Pentium II or any system where all the memory is cacheable and is the same > speed, what I said remains true: You're better off just using memory as memory. Correct. ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Thu Aug 5 16:20:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA21501 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:20:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26474; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:16:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25808; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25581; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:15:30 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-243.usc.edu [128.125.223.243]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id NAA09028 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990805130917.03127df0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:09:21 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:43 AM 8/5/99 -1000, you wrote: >There *is* a possibility that PEP and Maximum Upgrades are somewhat >different. Perhaps. But I'd like to see these claims of a multiplier of 2 or 3 being the speed performance increase--and I mean overall, not just a CPU-only benchmark. Those don't count. In solo vacuum-style tests, PowerPC chips blew the doors off of Intel chips in every way, but the reality was much more modest. The reality was once you encumbered that PowerPC chip with the Mac OS, it was really no better than the Intel chip it competed with. I suspect even if Maximum Upgrades claims of CPU speed being a multiple of 2 or 3 over the original are true, the reality would be much like the above--when put in the real world, that multiple of speed is nowhere near true. >clock speed on one of the slower (DX2-50) 701s from 25mhz to 33mhz as part >of the upgrade, >realizing in the process an even greater speed increase than you noticed in >the upgrade >of your already-33mhz DX2-75 (*especially* on system-level tasks). >Anyway, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a 100% speedup on a DX2-50 to >DX4-133 upgrade >with proper chip tweaks, even for real world stuff. But, that DX2-50 was >pretty slow to begin with! I did specify the DX4-75 as being the platform for comparison, not the DX2-50. If apples are to be compared to apples, that's what will be necessary. The DX4-75 is what I had and tested. It stands to reason that if the PEP upgrade was 20 to 25% better over a stock DX4-75, that the gain >from a DX2-50 would be appreciably larger than that. >When I upgraded one of our desktops from DX2-66 to AMD5x133 I saw >substantial improvement, even >on real-world apps. "Substantial improvement". That's good. Did you do any testing to compare before & after? Something a little more quantitative rather than qualitative. Anyone can try it and say "hey, this is quicker!" but that doesn't tell us much. I ended up selling my 701C to someone on this list roughly 1 year ago and he noted it was quicker than a DX4-75 he already had, but not by a whole lot. To me, 2 to 3 times quicker would *be* a "whole lot". 25% quicker isn't. - Randy Whittle From cph Thu Aug 5 16:29:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA21550 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:29:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27626; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:25:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27488; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mhro1.mayo.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27406; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mhro1.mayo.edu (129.176.100.75 -> mhro1.mayo.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:25:39 -0400 Received: from fermat.mayo.edu by mhro1.mayo.edu with ESMTP for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:25:27 -0500 Received: from feynman.mayo.edu (feynman [129.176.212.47]) by fermat.mayo.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA26494 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:25:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from feynman (feynman [129.176.212.47]) by feynman.mayo.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03566 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:25:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:25:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "James P. Grenert" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Getting Win95 to run nicely on a 360PE (486DX2-50, 20MB, VGA) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Mayo Medical School MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi. I finally loaded a spare HD with Win95, and put it in my TP360PE. Having gotten used to a reasonably fast PII desktop, it seems pretty sluggish in comparison. I like the pen feature quite a bit, especially for web surfing, so I am willing to pay for upgrades if they perform well. Any opinions on whether going from 20MB RAM to 36MB will make much of a difference? Are newer HDs faster? I currently use an original 540MB drive. If it's my only option, I am probably willing to upgrade the processor to an AMD586. Also, how do people run Win95 on a 640x480 screen? I find that many screens, particularly control panels and other popup screens, are too large to fit onscreen and it's not possible to scroll through them. Also, is there a key equivalent to pressing "OK" buttons? A lot of these too-large screens have the OK button lying out of view, and I can't get to it. All I can do is keep pressing the TAB key until I think that the OK button is highlighted, then press ENTER and hope for the best. There has to be a better way (I hope!). Thanks for any help. J. P. Grenert grenert@mayo.edu From cph Thu Aug 5 16:30:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA21561 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:30:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26711; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:16:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25862; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25670; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:15:55 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-243.usc.edu [128.125.223.243]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id NAA09013; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990805130907.03128690@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:12:40 -0700 To: Bruce Komar , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990805114720.03126df0@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:38 PM 8/5/99 -0400, you wrote: >I have a 701C in good condition. If the claims of 2.5X can be verified, I >will consider paying to have my 701C upgraded. Sounds good to me. > >Bruce Komar Ahh, well, there you have it. Are you listening, Maximum Upgrades? Sounds to me like if you provide the freebie to do the independent testing, that if your claims of 2.5x overall system performance can be verified in the testing, that the tester will actually pay for the upgrade himself. Sounds fair to me. Are you game? - Randy Whittle From cph Thu Aug 5 16:41:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by montreux.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA21644 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:41:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28666; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:34:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28514; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28500; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:34:36 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA05531 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:34:32 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000501bedf81$f7cf8460$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Cheap TP car adapter spotted Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:34:49 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: While looking for a part for my Micron, I spotted the following at http://www.buyrefurb.com/outletcomputer/micdcautad.html : "12V DC Auto Adapter for IBM Thinkpad 355,360,700,720,750,755,760 Series. Input 12V DC, 5A Output20-10V DC, 2.00-2.20A" $9.95 I don't know anything about this dealer, BTW. - David R. From cph Thu Aug 5 18:54:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA00722 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:54:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10791; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:51:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10366; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10312; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.13 -> dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:51:17 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA28570; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:48:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908052248.RAA28570@dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga3-17.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.145) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028494; Thu Aug 5 17:48:25 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "bg21331@binghamton.edu" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 18:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP760CD mainboard: revisited List-Unsubscribe: I am sending the unit back to EZ serve tomorrow. Maybe they will do a repair on the latch. It really jammed "good" this time. In times past, they replaced the case, as the latch is an integral component. If they replace just the mainboard, however, I will be one happy camper. It came to me with a p90, but I had a p120 installed, which eventually failed regarding sound. I dunno what they will do about the p120 mainboard. Allan On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:42:49 -0400 (EDT), bg21331@binghamton.edu wrote: >> A question. >> >> The latch for the keyboard on the right side.....It keeps jamming. >> This is the third time. >> >> Is this a design flaw for the TP760CD? >> >Allan, >I have the 760CD and had the same problem. I spent a bit of time teasing >the keyboard upwards and easing the switch forwards. Eventually it worked >and hasn't been a problem since. > >No solutions, just encouragement. Sorry. >Cheers, >Ian Lunt >-- >============================================================ >Dept. of Geological Sciences >State University of New York at Binghamton >PO Box 6000 >NY 13902-6000 >USA > > From cph Thu Aug 5 18:55:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA00758 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:55:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11234; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:52:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10652; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10619; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.13 -> dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:52:48 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA28732; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:50:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908052250.RAA28732@dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga3-17.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.145) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028688; Thu Aug 5 17:49:33 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Bill Morrow" , "jclerm@aztec.asu.edu" , "Michael Geary" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 18:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Swapfile on RAMdisk (No, no, no!) List-Unsubscribe: Isn't that a risky venture? If 'dose locks or crashes, wouldn't instructions in the ramdisk be lost? On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:01:08 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: >For anyone who is experimenting with putting a Windows swapfile on a RAMdisk, don't bother. There is no benefit at all in doing >this, only a loss of performance and available memory. > >The swapfile is not a special thing that Windows needs to have and enjoys using. It is merely a slower substitute for memory, >nothing more or less. If your Windows applications are using more memory than is physically available, Windows can use part of the >disk as if it were memory. To do this, it swaps pages in and out between physical memory and the disk. By doing this swapping, the >operating system lets programs run as if there were more memory available than is physically in the machine. > >Suppose you manage to create a 32Mb RAMdisk in which you'll place your swapfile. By doing that, you've reduced the available >physical memory in your machine by 32Mb. Therefore, Windows will need to start swapping 32Mb sooner than it would have otherwise. >You've gained absolutely nothing, you've lost some performance, and you won't even get back the whole 32Mb in swap space because of >file system overhead. > >If you have enough memory in your machine that you'd like to eliminate swapping to disk, simply use the system control panel to turn >off virtual memory completely. This will eliminate disk swapping, at the cost of limiting your memory use to what's physically >available in the machine. This is the exact same benefit you'd hope to gain by putting the swapfile in a RAMdisk, except you >eliminate all the software overhead. You just use memory as memory. > >If your machine currently does swap to disk with the set of applications you use, that means you're using more memory than the >machine actually has. If you eliminate swapping, you'll also reduce the number and size of applications you can load. > >But if you'd loaded that smaller number of applications in the first place, you wouldn't be swapping anyway. Turning off swapping >just prevents you from loading more apps than fit in memory. > >-Mike > >ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ > From cph Thu Aug 5 19:23:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA00898 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:23:13 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13276; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:21:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13018; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13004; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:21:42 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg-20425418-118.ricochet.net [204.254.18.118]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA07746; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:21:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Allan Ballard" , "Bill Morrow" , , Subject: RE: Swapfile on RAMdisk (No, no, no!) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:21:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <199908052250.RAA28732@dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > Isn't that a risky venture? If 'dose locks or crashes, > wouldn't instructions in the ramdisk be lost? Sure, but a swapfile is just an extension of memory anyway. You lose what's in memory if the system crashes. This doesn't make that risk any worse. -Mike From cph Thu Aug 5 19:55:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA01159 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:55:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15270; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:54:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15080; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15013; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (165.87.194.243 -> out5.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:53:13 -0400 Received: from cijeczcig1x68u (slip166-72-104-174.nj.us.ibm.net [166.72.104.174]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA95176; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:52:56 GMT Message-ID: <001f01bedf9d$7963dd80$ae6848a6@GOSRESNJ> From: "Donald Mak" To: , "Michael Geary" Cc: , "Bill Morrow" , References: <37A9E685.26F5AA50@netzero.net> Subject: Re: Swapfile on RAMdisk (No, no, no!) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:51:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Yes, but with newer systems and PII processors the chipsets cache all the memory... Don > One of the points raised there is precisely what I referred to > in my last posting, namely loss of performance (i.e., greater > execution time of programs) when the physical memory is > larger than the swappable memory for a given chipset and OS. > This happens because when the physical memory is larger then > the size of the swappable memory determined by the chipset, the > software is ALL loaded into memory that is not cacheable, thus > causing it to perform slower. > From cph Thu Aug 5 19:59:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA01177 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:59:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06745; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:56:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06459; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06437; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:56:41 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p47.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.140]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA23907 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908052158.OAA23907@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 05 Aug 99 14:01:15 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: List email archive List-Unsubscribe: Just to let everyone know, I finally have my nearly-complete archive of this list (about 10-11K files), dating back even to 1997. If anyone needs an email from a past thread, let me know. I'm still trying to find the emails for the 701 upgrade. Regards, Paul From cph Thu Aug 5 19:59:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA01180 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:59:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01523; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:00:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01347; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01332; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:00:00 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg-20425418-118.ricochet.net [204.254.18.118]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA16381; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:59:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: , Subject: RE: Swapfile on RAMdisk (No, no, no?, welll, maybe not no..! :-) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:59:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <37A9F9B4.27563623@icanect.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > i DID NOT intend to start a war here, only to suggest an intellectual exercise and a thought for speeding up access ... Not to worry, nobody is fighting a war. Just a bit of confusion over terminology, and my jumping into the middle of a discussion without knowing the whole context. -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Thu Aug 5 19:59:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA01183 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:59:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05449; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:44:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05357; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05344; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (128.49.4.4 -> marlin.nosc.mil) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:44:31 -0400 Received: from dseaman (seaman.nosc.mil [128.49.190.51]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA27423 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:44:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek Seaman" To: "TP List" Subject: 600E Reload: warm swap broke Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:49:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <199908052129.QAA17279@dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I reloaded my 600E since my fatal HD crash a couple of weeks ago. Everything is working, except warm swapping of the ultraslim bay. When I put a new device in, windows doesn't know it got swapped. I've loaded every imaginable driver off the IBM 600E list, including the Ultraslim bay and Ls-120 drivers. What driver package turns on warm swapping? I looked in the Configuration program, and warm swapping of the ultraslim bay is ENABLED. P.S. I'm running Windows 98. Derek From cph Thu Aug 5 19:59:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA01186 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:59:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07214; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:57:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06703; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06548; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:57:13 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p47.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.140]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA23904; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908052158.OAA23904@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "STeve Andre'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 04 Aug 99 11:34:35 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 760CD motherboard List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:18:28 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >Bill, I can't quite agree-- if the machine stays dead after the mainboard >is replaced, you still don't know if the new mainboard was OK, or if you >did damage to something else while in there, chaning it out. I've seen >this happen numerous times with really small electronics; the original >problem might have been fixed, but at the cost of something else. If >the person doing the work is inexperienced at this sort of thing, its >all too possible that they'll have zapped something else. > Sometimes, rather than the system board having a problem, the problem might be the DC-DC board (the board that supplies power to the system). I've noticed in some of the notebooks (ThinkPads and others) I've disassembled, the area where the power conversion is happens to have burn marks or is non-functional. Just my 2 cents... Paul From cph Thu Aug 5 19:59:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA01189 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:59:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04232; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:29:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03851; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03821; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.13 -> dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:29:43 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA17279; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:29:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908052129.QAA17279@dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga3-17.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.145) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017025; Thu Aug 5 16:27:54 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "David Ross" , "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 17:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <006f01bedf7a$bf50cba0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results List-Unsubscribe: I had pretty much the same results for the same upgrade. A 'nuther big boost came with expansion of L2 cache to a full 1 Mb. I think that 'dose95 likes the cache. With an expanded cache, that systems just edges out the Norton SI for a p90 by a nose. Sure, the SI is a limited measure, but it IS a measure. Mainly, the older systems need a booster shot in the video department, I think. On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:43:08 -1000, David Ross wrote: >When I upgraded one of our desktops from DX2-66 to AMD5x133 I saw substantial improvement, even >on real-world apps. On the other hand, I only paid $40 for the upgrade, and the improvements were nowhere near the improvements >obtained 2 weeks ago when I threw in a new motherboard From cph Thu Aug 5 19:59:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA01198 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:59:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04105; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:29:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03733; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03717; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (24.113.61.37 -> cr634166-a.rct1.bc.wave.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:29:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (devel@localhost) by vip.psychonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA27127; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:29:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:29:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve To: "James P. Grenert" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Getting Win95 to run nicely on a 360PE (486DX2-50, 20MB, VGA) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I have a TP360ce with a DX2/50 processor and will be soldering in the AMD586 sometime in the next 2 weeks, I will take pictures with my digital camera and write some documentation incase other brave souls wish to attempt it themselves. I will post a URL when finished. Just thought I'd let people know. Steve On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, James P. Grenert wrote: > Hi. > I finally loaded a spare HD with Win95, and put it in my TP360PE. Having > gotten used to a reasonably fast PII desktop, it seems pretty sluggish in > comparison. I like the pen feature quite a bit, especially for web > surfing, so I am willing to pay for upgrades if they perform well. Any > opinions on whether going from 20MB RAM to 36MB will make much of a > difference? Are newer HDs faster? I currently use an original 540MB > drive. If it's my only option, I am probably willing to upgrade the > processor to an AMD586. > Also, how do people run Win95 on a 640x480 screen? I find that many > screens, particularly control panels and other popup screens, are too > large to fit onscreen and it's not possible to scroll through them. Also, > is there a key equivalent to pressing "OK" buttons? A lot of these > too-large screens have the OK button lying out of view, and I can't get to > it. All I can do is keep pressing the TAB key until I think that the OK > button is highlighted, then press ENTER and hope for the best. There has > to be a better way (I hope!). > > Thanks for any help. > J. P. Grenert > grenert@mayo.edu > > From cph Thu Aug 5 19:59:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA01201 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:59:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00590; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:53:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00394; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00373; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:53:29 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-430.gate.net [199.227.131.239]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA437760; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:53:30 -0400 Message-ID: <37A9F9B4.27563623@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 16:53:08 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Swapfile on RAMdisk (No, no, no?, welll, maybe not no..! :-) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mike, et al.. i DID NOT intend to start a war here, only to suggest an intellectual exercise and a thought for speeding up access or diminish the battery drain when operating on battery.. there are also many other reasons one may want to establish a ramdisk, though i can't think of any at the moment... Michael Geary wrote: > For anyone who is experimenting with putting a Windows swapfile on a RAMdisk, don't bother. There is no benefit at all in doing > this, only a loss of performance and available memory. > > The swapfile is not a special thing that Windows needs to have and enjoys using. It is merely a slower substitute for memory, > nothing more or less. If your Windows applications are using more memory than is physically available, Windows can use part of the > disk as if it were memory. To do this, it swaps pages in and out between physical memory and the disk. By doing this swapping, the > operating system lets programs run as if there were more memory available than is physically in the machine. > > Suppose you manage to create a 32Mb RAMdisk in which you'll place your swapfile. By doing that, you've reduced the available > physical memory in your machine by 32Mb. Therefore, Windows will need to start swapping 32Mb sooner than it would have otherwise. > You've gained absolutely nothing, you've lost some performance, and you won't even get back the whole 32Mb in swap space because of > file system overhead. > > If you have enough memory in your machine that you'd like to eliminate swapping to disk, simply use the system control panel to turn > off virtual memory completely. This will eliminate disk swapping, at the cost of limiting your memory use to what's physically > available in the machine. This is the exact same benefit you'd hope to gain by putting the swapfile in a RAMdisk, except you > eliminate all the software overhead. You just use memory as memory. > > If your machine currently does swap to disk with the set of applications you use, that means you're using more memory than the > machine actually has. If you eliminate swapping, you'll also reduce the number and size of applications you can load. > > But if you'd loaded that smaller number of applications in the first place, you wouldn't be swapping anyway. Turning off swapping > just prevents you from loading more apps than fit in memory. > > -Mike > > ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Thu Aug 5 19:59:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA01204 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:59:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07578; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:58:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06749; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06600; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (207.69.200.32 -> smtp2.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:57:26 -0400 Received: from thinkpad1721i (user-33qt84s.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.160.156]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA22421; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00f801bedf8d$74e1f220$9ca0aec7@thinkpad1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: "Vincent Poy" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: "ThinkPad List" References: Subject: Re: TP 128meg memory prices Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:57:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Could someone explain what the AxB memory chip designation means, and how you use it to compute the total memory. Thnaks, Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow Cc: ThinkPad List Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 6:50 PM Subject: Re: TP 128meg memory prices | On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: | | Hello Bill, | | > Vince.. | > see my other and further response.. | > | > you must mean 16x64 because that is what the entire DIMM is.. | > | > how many chips on your crucial DIMM.. 8 or 16..?? | | Only 8, 4 NEC chips on each side... Had to close the lid and open | the memory cover and then open the lid to reply =) | | > for now, unless you really NEED a 128meg part, wait a few days for the | > prices to stabilize.. | | I know.... Besides, I have 30 days to get my money back so if the | price goes down, I'll order another one and send the old one back since | it's all billed to my FedEx account anyways. | | > my cost is way over what you paid for the crucial part.. | > but i have misgivings about people who cut the price that far below | > what the market is.. | | Actually, remember it can be old stock or something... Micron | makes their own chips so costs are low for them. | | > they are doing something.. either trying to pull a "gates", cutting | > quality, copying someone else's artwork, cutting warranty or service | > or tech support.. i fine altruism to be WAAY down on the list.. :-) | | Nah, it isn't the warranty, tech support or service since all | the other stuff went up in price. | | | Cheers, | Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ | Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] | GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] | Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] | HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] | | > Vincent Poy wrote: | > | > > On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: | > > | > > Hello Bill, | > > | > > > interesting that crucial is using a 16x64 chip.. | > > > i did not even know there WAS a 16x64 chip available..!! | > > | > > Well, all manufacturers use 16x64. Even the big 168 pin boards | > > need 16 x 64. There would be no way to put 128 megs on anything smaller. | > > | > > > the problem with those who make a DIMM using a 16x4 is that there is | > > > NOT sufficient real estate on the little board, so they grow a bit and | > > > two won't fit in a machine like the 770 (early).. | > > | > > Ah, interesting. | > > | > > > in short, the board grows a bit and just does not fit in the space | > > > provided.. | > > > | > > > as far as micron goes, what i want to see is a 16x64 ram chip.. :-) | > > | > > Hehe... I verified it and the NEC chips are 16x64 =) | > > | > > > unless you're saying that the entire DIMM is 16x64 which would be correct... | > > | > > Yeah, it's probably the entire DIMM. | > > | > > > in any event, pricing on these parts has started to move and for now, nothing | > > > would surprise me.. :-)) | > > | > > Yep, Crucial told me that prices will be going up soon... $197 | > > was a really good deal since it was $350 a month ago for the same 128 | > > megs. hehe. I should just see what the price is later and if it drops, | > > there is always the 30 day money back guarantee. hehe | > > | > > Cheers, | > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ | > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] | > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] | > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] | > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] | > > | > > > Vincent Poy wrote: | > > > | > > > > On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: | > > > > | > > > > Crucial, a division of Micron uses 16x64 NEC chips for the | > > > > 128 meg module for $197 that I got last week. How will the 16x4 chips | > > > > even fit on a 144 pin SODIMM since would that make it only 8 megs? | > > > > | > > > > One thing I'm trying to figure out is that someone mentioned that | > > > > WIndows resources are done in 64k blocks so wouldn't more memory give more | > > > > resources? Seems like going from 128 meg to 256 meg didn't make a | > > > > difference. Seems like the machine would be out of resources way before | > > > > it takes virtual memory into consideration. | > > > > | > > > > Cheers, | > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ | > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] | > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] | > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] | > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] | > > > > | > > > > > Just a note to let the list know that the competition is heating up and | > > > > > the 128meg part for thinkpad 770's are coming down in price.. 600's too, | > > > > > i imagine.. | > > > > > | > > > > > there is a wide difference between IBM, Apricorn, GoldenRam, et al. and | > > > > > some manufacturers are using cheaper (16x4) chips (none of the above | > > > > > manufacturers).. | > > > > > | > > > > > my web site is not updated yet and may not be until tomorrow.. :-) | > > > > > | > > > > > -- | > > > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... | > > > > > | > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) | > > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com | > > > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html | > > > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop | > > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net | > > > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... | > > > > > | > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will | > > > > > vary, Done on a | > > > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. | > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > -- | > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... | > > > | > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) | > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com | > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html | > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop | > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net | > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... | > > > | > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, | > > > Done on a | > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. | > > > | > > > | > > > | > | > | > | > -- | > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... | > | > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) | > WEB page http://thinkpads.com | > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html | > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop | > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net | > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... | > | > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done | > on a | > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. | > | > | > | | From cph Thu Aug 5 22:40:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA00218 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:40:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23091; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:38:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22820; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22799; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.132 -> dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:38:22 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id WAA24702 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (h-180-148.mn.mediaone.net [209.32.180.148]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with ESMTP id WAA24643 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37AA4A64.4A16B77B@csc.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 21:37:24 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Swapfile on RAMdisk (No, no, no!) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Michael Geary wrote: [snip] > Suppose you have a Pentium system with 128Mb and only the first 64Mb cached. You could let Windows manage the whole thing, but it > may not realize that the first 64Mb is faster than the rest. If you could create a RAMdisk swapfile in the second 64Mb, then Windows > would do its active work in the first 64Mb, swapping pages to the slower second 64Mb. > > It might be a performance win, and would certainly be interesting to find out about. > I'm not positive, but I believe that this is not the way it works. On systems with chipsets that cannot cache over 64MB of memory, when you have more than 64MB of memory, NONE of the memory is cached. This means that ALL memory access slows down a bit compared to having cached memory. However, if your system was exceeding 64MB of total memory usage (anytime that your system is actively using the swapfile) overall performance increases . Adding a ramdisk/swapfile would have absolutely no effect on the ability to cache memory - none is cached. Nothing that software does with the memory will enable caching because that's a hardware thing. If I'm mistaken and some chipsets will still cache the (upper/lower) 64MB of the 128MB system, then you may be right. Rob From cph Fri Aug 6 00:29:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA00723 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:29:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27807; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:27:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27570; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27556; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:27:25 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-260.gate.net [199.227.131.69]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA164110; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:27:38 -0400 Message-ID: <37AA6424.35A0CD32@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 00:27:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Seaman CC: TP List Subject: Re: 600E Reload: warm swap broke References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Derek.. the ultraslimbay driver is the thing that controls hot swap.. (or at least it does in the 770 series) Derek Seaman wrote: > I reloaded my 600E since my fatal HD crash a couple of weeks ago. Everything > is working, except warm swapping of the ultraslim bay. When I put a new > device in, windows doesn't know it got swapped. > > I've loaded every imaginable driver off the IBM 600E list, including the > Ultraslim bay and Ls-120 drivers. > > What driver package turns on warm swapping? I looked in the Configuration > program, and warm swapping of the ultraslim bay is ENABLED. > > P.S. I'm running Windows 98. > > Derek -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Fri Aug 6 03:24:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA01304 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 03:24:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05775; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 03:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 03:23:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05517; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 03:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05502; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 03:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (192.134.240.50 -> uhbhic.uhb.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 03:23:06 -0400 Received: from tp-770 (cb1342.uhb.fr [192.134.240.31]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id JAA14582 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:23:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <37AA8F4D.346F@uhb.fr> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:31:25 +0200 From: Sylvestre Meininger X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Apps and RAM (slightly OT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Slightly OT, but I'm sure that's an easy one for many list members : How do I know how much RAM a given application (Word, Photoshop) actually uses ? And by the way, after doze95 loads up, how much of my *nice* initial 128Mb RAM is left ? Finally, what's your opinion on Cacheman ? Thanks ! PS : Did IBM forget to announce its new TPs ? I remember that before coming out in September, the 770 line was announced in June... From cph Fri Aug 6 09:01:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA02820 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:01:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25158; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:53:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24872; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24858; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:53:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu (128.226.6.3 -> bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:53:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (bg21331@localhost) by bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05244; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:53:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu: bg21331 owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:53:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: bg21331@bingsun1 To: Allan Ballard cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: TP760CD mainboard: revisited In-Reply-To: <199908052248.RAA28570@dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Allan, When you upgraded to a P120, did you have to put in a new heat sink aswell? I'd consider doing the same if there was a noticeable speed increase (unquantified) and it wasn't too pricey. Cheers, Ian > > It came to me with a p90, but I had a p120 installed, > which eventually failed regarding sound. I dunno > what they will do about the p120 mainboard. > > Allan > State University of New York at Binghamton PO Box 6000 NY 13902-6000 USA From cph Fri Aug 6 10:18:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA03347 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:18:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00564; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:17:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00336; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00316; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:17:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:17:05 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (tempa11.bf.sover.net [207.136.202.11]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05810 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908061417.KAA05810@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from tempa11.bf.sover.net [207.136.202.11] 207.136.202.11 Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:02:27 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <37AA8F4D.346F@uhb.fr> Subject: Re: Apps and RAM (slightly OT) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >How do I know how much RAM a given application (Word, Photoshop) actually uses ? >And by the way, after doze95 loads up, how much of my *nice* initial >128Mb RAM is left ? FWIW, Both Word and Photoshop are subject to the limits designed into Windblows (or left over from DOS, depending upon how you want to view it). IOW, if either one runs out of system resources, more ram will not prevent system crashes (assuming you are using 64mb to start with). With more ram Word will scroll through a document loaded with graphics faster, but that was the only difference I saw when a machine was pushed up to 128mb. It didn't seem to make a difference to Photoshop either. And it didn't help Corel either. If you are doing heavy-duty graphics intensive publishing, don't use a word processor. Framemaker is one appropriate solution. I haven't looked at Ventura in years, so I can't comment on it. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph Fri Aug 6 12:07:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA04096 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:07:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07430; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:59:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07154; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07136; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236 -> smtp3.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:59:13 -0400 Received: from richard (216-164-220-187.s187.tnt5.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.220.187]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08765; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990806115423.009efd60@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 11:58:34 -0400 To: "David Ross" From: richard Subject: Re: 570,nt,memory Cc: In-Reply-To: <006901bedf78$978ca8c0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> References: <4.2.0.58.19990805150837.00acd690@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 09:27 AM 8/5/99 -1000, David Ross wrote: > > NT4 seems to run a touch cooler than win98se, although I don't understand > > why this would be the case. (Other than temperature and a few minor > > issues, I see no difference between nt and win98). > >Easy. NT (like OS2 and *unlike* W9x) will add halt cycles to parts of the >CPU not being >used. This is the basis for CPU cooling programs (e.g. Rain, Waterfall, >CPUIdle), which can >bring down the temperature of a Pentium machine by quite a bit (20% >decrease on our home >desktop machine temp using Rain) with no visible decrease in performance. Rain does a nice job of reducing temperature under win98. Cool Now I have no real reason to run NT. From cph Fri Aug 6 13:24:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA04703 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:24:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13958; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:22:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13593; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13561; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (142.90.100.1 -> erich.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:22:47 -0400 Received: from peter ([209.180.201.182]) by erich.triumf.ca with SMTP; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:21:15 -0700 From: "peter machule" To: "James P. Grenert" , Subject: Re: Getting Win95 to run nicely on a 360PE (486DX2-50, 20MB, VGA) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:20:14 -0700 Message-ID: <01bee02f$f26bfa40$LocalHost@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: A few thoughts ;-} More memory will help ...a lot. 20MB is borderline . The 32MB credit card style Memory chip is/was ~$60 ?? Try www.shopper.com A faster HD will not make a Big difference . If you could get Bus Mastering to work it ,would also help . (Good Luck ;-} ( I doubt the chipset supports DMA mode , much less the existing HD . ) A DX2-50 without an external cache is borderline for Win95. Your Win95 is not set up correctly . All control panels and setup screens will fit in a 640* 480 display . Play around with display properties , etc. Make sure your running the correct WD 90C24? Video driver . I believe even the Pen version required the IBM Vesa Stub loaded . ie. Win95 deals with this Video chip as a dumb frame buffer with Vesa Extensions. ..peter... >Hi. >I finally loaded a spare HD with Win95, and put it in my TP360PE. Having >gotten used to a reasonably fast PII desktop, it seems pretty sluggish in >comparison. I like the pen feature quite a bit, especially for web >surfing, so I am willing to pay for upgrades if they perform well. Any >opinions on whether gorng from 20MB RAM to 36MB will make much of a >difference? Are newer HDs faster? I currently use an original 540MB >drive. If it's my only option, I am probably willing to upgrade the >processor to an AMD586. >Also, how do people run Win95 on a 640x480 screen? I find that many >screens, particularly control panels and other popup screens, are too >large to fit onscreen and it's not possible to scroll through them. Also, >is there a key equivalent to pressing "OK" buttons? A lot of these >too-large screens have the OK button lying out of view, and I can't get to >it. All I can do is keep pressing the TAB key until I think that the OK >button is highlighted, then press ENTER and hope for the best. There has >to be a better way (I hope!). > >Thanks for any help. >J. P. Grenert >grenert@mayo.edu > > From cph Fri Aug 6 13:31:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA04750 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:31:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14628; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:30:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14462; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14426; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:29:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24457; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:29:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:29:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: letoured@sover.net cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Apps and RAM (slightly OT) In-Reply-To: <199908061417.KAA05810@pike.sover.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Greetings everyone, For what it's worth, on the 770Z and any other model with built in ACP modems, the modem itself does take up resources. Also, the swapfile size and disk activity does affect it as well. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph Fri Aug 6 14:26:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA05143 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:26:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18485; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:24:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18227; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18212; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (207.0.68.7 -> home.dwave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:24:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id NAA26101; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:25:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:25:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: grenert@mayo.edu Subject: Re: Getting Win95 to run nicely on a 360PE (486DX2-50, 20MB, VGA) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 15:25:26 -0500 > From: "James P. Grenert" > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Getting Win95 to run nicely on a 360PE (486DX2-50, 20MB, VGA) > Hi. I finally loaded a spare HD with Win95, and put it in my TP360PE. > Having gotten used to a reasonably fast PII desktop, it seems pretty > sluggish in comparison. I like the pen feature quite a bit, especially > for web surfing, so I am willing to pay for upgrades if they perform > well. Any opinions on whether going from 20MB RAM to 36MB will make > much of a difference? Are newer HDs faster? I currently use an > original 540MB drive. If it's my only option, I am probably willing to > upgrade the processor to an AMD586. I have a 750P (486DX33, 20MB, monochrome). It also has a pen, which is truly great for freecell! In any case, I found the jump from 4MB to 20MB of RAM was a huge improvement. 20 to 36 should be less noticeable if at all, unless you run IE and another big app like Word at the same time. The main things that slow these machines are the lack of any L2 cache, and similarly the lack of any hard drive cache. Linux reports that the 2.1GB, 810MB and 170MB drives I have all have no cache. For little jobs like, oh ftp or http transfers of small files (during browsing perhaps) cannot even cache the directory sectors for quick processing. Also, the slow 25MHz bus and older IDE controller you have is a good deal slower than anything on a PII system. > Also, how do people run Win95 on a > 640x480 screen? I find that many screens, particularly control panels > and other popup screens, are too large to fit onscreen and it's not > possible to scroll through them. Also, is there a key equivalent to > pressing "OK" buttons? A lot of these too-large screens have the OK > button lying out of view, and I can't get to it. All I can do is keep > pressing the TAB key until I think that the OK button is highlighted, > then press ENTER and hope for the best. There has to be a better way (I > hope!). I use an Appearance scheme that has very small fonts. It helps a bit. Also, remember that all dialog boxes are supposed to have a default control, accessable by pressing Enter, and it is shown with a bold outline. Pressing Tab can move this default. The default is usually set to the OK button when a dialog box first appears. I must admit that I have not seen any dialog box from a Microsoft product that I couldn't move to be on screen. Chris Schumann "I am a cipher, wrapped in an enigma, smothered in secret sauce." - Jimmy James, News Radio From cph Fri Aug 6 17:35:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA06529 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:35:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02819; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:34:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02608; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02580; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.8 -> dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:33:54 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA20931; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:33:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908062133.QAA20931@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga2-45.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.109) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020898; Fri Aug 6 16:32:48 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "bg21331@binghamton.edu" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 17:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP760CD mainboard: revisited List-Unsubscribe: Ian, No. I just swapped out the mainboard. One option to save funds might be to purchase a 760CD at a low cost, and then either move over to it, or move its mainboard to your unit if yours is nicer. Allan On Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:53:35 -0400 (EDT), bg21331@binghamton.edu wrote: >Allan, >When you upgraded to a P120, did you have to put in a new heat sink >aswell? I'd consider doing the same if there was a noticeable speed >increase (unquantified) and it wasn't too pricey. > >Cheers, Ian > > >> >> It came to me with a p90, but I had a p120 installed, >> which eventually failed regarding sound. I dunno >> what they will do about the p120 mainboard. >> >> Allan >> > >State University of New York at Binghamton >PO Box 6000 >NY 13902-6000 >USA > From cph Fri Aug 6 17:38:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA06543 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:38:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03395; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:36:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03190; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03176; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.8 -> dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:36:47 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA21277; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:36:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908062136.QAA21277@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga2-45.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.109) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021245; Fri Aug 6 16:35:40 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "James P. Grenert" , "peter machule" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 17:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <01bee02f$f26bfa40$LocalHost@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Getting Win95 to run nicely on a 360PE (486DX2-50, 20MB, VGA) List-Unsubscribe: I think the faster drives do help, a lot. Once, when my 760CD went to EZ serve, they zapped the old drive, and put in a current model one. It made a big difference. I have seen great gains with faster drives on desktops, and once blew up a Seagate fooling around with speedup software. It was singing until that little tink sound. Allan On Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:20:14 -0700, peter machule wrote: > >A few thoughts ;-} > >More memory will help ...a lot. >20MB is borderline . >The 32MB credit card style Memory chip is/was ~$60 ?? >Try www.shopper.com > >A faster HD will not make a Big difference . >If you could get Bus Mastering to work it ,would also help . (Good Luck ;-} >( I doubt the chipset supports DMA mode , much less the existing HD . ) > >A DX2-50 without an external cache is borderline for Win95. > >Your Win95 is not set up correctly . >All control panels and setup screens will fit in a 640* 480 display . >Play around with display properties , etc. >Make sure your running the correct WD 90C24? Video driver . >I believe even the Pen version required the IBM Vesa Stub loaded . >ie. Win95 deals with this Video chip as a dumb frame buffer with Vesa Extensions. > >..peter... > > > >>Hi. >>I finally loaded a spare HD with Win95, and put it in my TP360PE. Having >>gotten used to a reasonably fast PII desktop, it seems pretty sluggish in >>comparison. I like the pen feature quite a bit, especially for web >>surfing, so I am willing to pay for upgrades if they perform well. Any >>opinions on whether gorng from 20MB RAM to 36MB will make much of a >>difference? Are newer HDs faster? I currently use an original 540MB >>drive. If it's my only option, I am probably willing to upgrade the >>processor to an AMD586. >>Also, how do people run Win95 on a 640x480 screen? I find that many >>screens, particularly control panels and other popup screens, are too >>large to fit onscreen and it's not possible to scroll through them. Also, >>is there a key equivalent to pressing "OK" buttons? A lot of these >>too-large screens have the OK button lying out of view, and I can't get to >>it. All I can do is keep pressing the TAB key until I think that the OK >>button is highlighted, then press ENTER and hope for the best. There has >>to be a better way (I hope!). >> >>Thanks for any help. >>J. P. Grenert >>grenert@mayo.edu >> >> > From cph Fri Aug 6 18:00:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA06649 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:00:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04737; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:59:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04595; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eagle.sac.verio.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04573; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eagle.sac.verio.net (207.159.5.20 -> eagle.sac.verio.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:59:12 -0400 Received: from maxhome (pm04-27.sac.verio.net [209.162.64.140]) by eagle.sac.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA02159; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005e01bee057$eb72d2e0$8c40a2d1@maxhome> From: "Douglas Hirsch, Maximum Upgrades" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:05:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Randy, That sounds great. We accept the challenge. Maximum Upgrades will perform the CPU upgrade on one TP701 free-of-charge, and include FedEx return shipping as well, for a third-party owner on whom we both agree. Afterwards you will honestly report your findings to the group. I have one clarification, though. You seem intent, Randy, on modifying our "CPU" benchmark results to mean "system" benchmarks results. ("Are you really sure it will double or triple system performance? I'd like to see it. Let's see." -- R. Whittle). The only fact that we report, or have ever reported, is that various CPU benchmarks will show a 2 to 3 times increase in CPU speed after the upgrade. Please make sure your extensive testing before and after the upgrade does not overlook that fact. You will find that our CPU benchmark results are not "phantom," "squat," "snow," "phony" or "B.S." Is the CPU upgrade a panacea for the entire system? Hardly. The TP701 is still limited by a 33MHz bus speed, no L2 cache, and 40MB of RAM. Installing the 5x86P75 CPU at 133MHz with the 16K L1 write-back cache feature enabled, however, will make this endearing computing tool easier to use. Best wishes, Douglas Hirsch Internet Support Maximum Upgrades tel (916) 361-2870 P.O. Box 276945 fax (916) 361-2880 Sacramento, CA 95827 http://www.maxup.com djhirsch@maxup.com "Software Bloat Solutions" (c) -----Original Message----- From: Randal Whittle To: TP List Date: Thursday, August 05, 1999 12:18 PM Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results >At 11:27 AM 8/5/99 -0700, you wrote: >>Actually, "Pentium-level performance" can be achieved in the IBM ThinkPad >>701 series. With the AMD5x86P75 microprocessor installed, the base clock >>rate set to 33MHz, and the 16K L1 cache write-back mode enabled, CPU >>performance is better than the P75. >> >>Various CPU benchmarks show a performance increase between 2 and 3 times >>faster than the original Intel 486. For DX4-75 models, CPU Dhrystones >>benchmarks increase from 26041 to 60975. Norton SI shows the CPU >>performance increasing from 95.4 to 287.9. >> >>Randal's 20% speed increase indicates that the 5x86 was installed, but the >>other features were not enabled. >> >>Best wishes, >> >>Douglas Hirsch >>Internet Support >>Maximum Upgrades > > Ahhh....No Doug, it doesn't indicate that at all. What it *really* >indicates is that you're using phantom CPU-only benchmarks instead of >real-world ones. By that, I mean to say that the Dhrystone and Norton SI >stuff doesn't amount to squat. They measure CPU only--not overall >sytem-level, which is all that really matters in the real world. > > The benchmarks I ran were far more indicative of what someone could expect >to see in their computer's (specifically a 701) overall peformance >increase. They were the ones that used real-world apps and did tests with >those apps, etc. I forgot the name...ZD Labs made them...Winstone? Also >some other stuff. > > I doubt that 20 months later I still have the spreadsheet I saved all this >on, but I know I ran those same benchmarks on the pre-upgraded 701C >(DX4-75) and the post-upgraded one, and also ran them on my TP 560 (a >P-120) and a desktop Pentium Pro 200, just so I could have a real-world >comparison across some other machines. The upgraded machine performed >really quite well in CPU-only areas, but when put in context with the rest >of the system overall--that is, general overall performance that a user can >palatably see--the upgrade delivered a 20 to 25% performance increase over >the stock 486 DX4-75. > > Unless you've got some new chip (other than the 5x86 I tested) that really >*does* deliver on these claims of yours, I suggest you not try to snow >anybody with claims of 2x to 3x speed increase over the original. The >reality is that just isn't the case, unless perhaps you're measuring in a >vacuum where CPU's operate alone without outside influences. > > OR...here's a much better idea: You could put your money where your mouth >is, just as the good folks at PEP did 20 months ago. We on the list will >come up with an objective, neutral 3rd party 701C owner with the technical >know-how to execute "before" and "after" tests using a *legitimate* >benchmark like the ZD Winstone tests, and we'll see if indeed the upgraded >701C is 2 or 3 times faster as your claims insinuate. > > Are you up to proving your claims? We're daring ya. > > If you're not, then please quit making the phony claims on this list. >Jane went through the trouble of digging up the benchmarking I did 20 >months ago, and she's only the tip of the iceberg. We've got plenty of >people willing to out-shout any B.S. claims until you're willing to let an >objective 3rd party that *we* choose prove it to us. > > Are you game? This can be put to rest, once and for all. If the results >from this unbiased 3rd party tester *really* show a 701C that is...oh, >we'll say 2.5X as fast as the original in overall system performance >(evenly split between 2X and 3X), I will personally make a public apology >to the entire list and endorse your upgrade. > > The only caveats are (1) We (the list) chooses the tester, (2) the testing >system is otherwise unchanged, and (3) you do the upgrade on that tester's >701C free of charge. These are the exact same terms PEP did it for when I >benchmarked their upgrade. And they never pressured me to report anything >other than the truth. That truth was a 20 to 25% overall system boost over >the stock 486 DX4-75. And oh, yes--one more thing: The base 701 being >upgraded/benchmark must start from the 75 MHz version of the 486-DX4 chip, >50 Mhz one. > > Are you really sure it will double or triple system performance? I'd like >to see it. Let's see. > >- Randy Whittle > From cph Fri Aug 6 18:21:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA06717 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:21:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06414; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:19:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06155; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06140; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (165.87.194.239 -> out4.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:19:53 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (slip166-72-137-133.ny.us.ibm.net [166.72.137.133]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA89310 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:19:50 GMT Message-ID: <002801bee05a$12ca9f60$858948a6@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "RPKnorr" From: "RPKnorr" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: 760 CD Disk upgrade Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:21:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I have a 760CD with 32mb of memory and a 1.6mb hard drive.The HD is Full.What are my options for increasing disk capacity?New bigger drive,or add 2nd drive to Ultra bay?I am running W98 2nd addition with Explorer 5.0 Regards Russ From cph Fri Aug 6 19:00:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA06905 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:00:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08781; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:58:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08526; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08494; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:58:35 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-025.usc.edu [128.125.224.25]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id PAA29679; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990806150443.02cc6840@rcf.usc.edu> Message-Id: <4.1.19990806150443.02cc6840@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:22:08 -0700 To: "Douglas Hirsch, Maximum Upgrades" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results In-Reply-To: <005e01bee057$eb72d2e0$8c40a2d1@maxhome> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:05 PM 8/6/99 -0700, you wrote: >That sounds great. We accept the challenge. Maximum Upgrades will perform >CPU upgrade on one TP701 free-of-charge, and include FedEx return shipping >as well, for a third-party owner on whom we both agree. Afterwards you will >honestly report your findings to the group. Candidates, speak up. I'm out of the running as I no longer have a 701 (and the one I had was upgraded by PEP 20 months ago). Actually, I wasn't looking to do the last one. PEP approached me, asking if I would do so. So far, the following people expressed interest: - Peter Machule who has the ZD Winstone benchmarks and apparently Beta tested for ZD - Bruce Komar , who said if he can verify a 2.5x systemic speed increase, he would consider paying for the upgrade himself. Anyone else? >I have one clarification, though. You seem intent, Randy, on modifying >our "CPU" benchmark results to mean "system" benchmarks results. Actually no, I was intent on explaining the difference. I'm not necessarily an expert on the technical differences between various benchmarks in particular, but back when I was asking about them prior to testing the upgrade PEP did to my 701, there were some people on list that pointed out that some benchmarks were simply B.S.--that they didn't do a very good job of anything other than belching out big numbers that made you feel good about your new CPU. Among them were the Norton SI CPU benchmark and the Landmark benchmark. That's why the general consensus was that the ZD Winstone benchmark was a much better choice, more complete, and generally more realistic, whether looking at it from a systemic or a CPU-intensive perspective. To be fair, I think the same benchmark testing should be used as was used on my 701C that was upgraded by PEP 20 months ago. That would be the Winstone 97 (98?) tests. That way the results can be compared apples to apples. The only bad part is I don't think I have the detailed report of those results anymore--I fear I may have tossed them away. I *think* I attached them and sent them to the list way back when I did this. Does anyone know if its in an archive somewhere? I think it was in an Excel spreadsheet. >is that various CPU benchmarks will show a 2 to 3 times increase in CPU >speed after the upgrade. Please make sure your extensive testing before and >after the upgrade does not overlook that fact. You will find that our CPU >benchmark results are not "phantom," "squat," "snow," "phony" or "B.S." My only intent is to inform the typical reader that if their new CPU, according to some CPU-only benchmark, appears to be 2x to 3x faster than their old one, that they will *not* see a proportionally overall systemic performance increase. They will not see their belove 701C move 2 to 3 times faster than it did before. My beef is in using those...uh, "questionable"...CPU-only benchmarks like Landmark or even Norton SI, then making a claim based on those. Not every benchmark is a representative one, and even if you stick to CPU-only, some are more...uh..."favorable"...than others. >Is the CPU upgrade a panacea for the entire system? Hardly. The TP701 is >still limited by a 33MHz bus speed, no L2 cache, and 40MB of RAM. >Installing the 5x86P75 CPU at 133MHz with the 16K L1 write-back cache >feature enabled, however, will make this endearing computing tool easier to >use. What's the price of this CPU upgrade anyway? - Randy Whittle From cph Fri Aug 6 19:17:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA06962 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:17:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10157; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:16:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10009; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09985; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (199.222.42.2 -> malasada.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:16:08 -0400 Received: from lava.net(wiliwili095.lava.net[207.26.193.190]) (7499 bytes) by malasada.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:15:59 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Jun-23) Message-ID: <37AB6C6E.3616D9FB@lava.net> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 13:14:54 -1000 From: Keith Wong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Douglas Hirsch, Maximum Upgrades" , TP List Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results References: <005e01bee057$eb72d2e0$8c40a2d1@maxhome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: --Hey I'll volunteer my laptop for the upgrade. I've got a TP 701C with a DX4/75mhz processor, with 16mb of RAM and 540mb on the hard drive. My apologies to both Doug and Leonard for all these challenges and accusations. I was the one who had started this thread originally, but I had only wanted some info on options to upgrade my little buttefly. Didn't mean to stir anything up. I'd be willing to pay for a RAM upgrade to 40mb to get a clearer picture of the maximum performance possibilities of the laptop. What were the words of the other butterfly owner? "me, me, me pick me!!!" Yeah... what he said, except for me. Please let me know who wins the free upgrade. Thanks one and all. --Keith Wong Honolulu, Hawaii "Douglas Hirsch, Maximum Upgrades" wrote: > Randy, > > That sounds great. We accept the challenge. Maximum Upgrades will perform > the > CPU upgrade on one TP701 free-of-charge, and include FedEx return shipping > as well, for a third-party owner on whom we both agree. Afterwards you will > honestly report your findings to the group. > > I have one clarification, though. You seem intent, Randy, on modifying > our "CPU" benchmark results to mean "system" benchmarks results. ("Are you > really sure it will double or triple system performance? I'd like to see > it. Let's see." -- R. Whittle). The only fact that we report, or have ever > reported, > is that various CPU benchmarks will show a 2 to 3 times increase in CPU > speed after the upgrade. Please make sure your extensive testing before and > after the upgrade does not overlook that fact. You will find that our CPU > benchmark results are not "phantom," "squat," "snow," "phony" or "B.S." > > Is the CPU upgrade a panacea for the entire system? Hardly. The TP701 is > still limited by a 33MHz bus speed, no L2 cache, and 40MB of RAM. > Installing the 5x86P75 CPU at 133MHz with the 16K L1 write-back cache > feature enabled, however, will make this endearing computing tool easier to > use. > > Best wishes, > > Douglas Hirsch > Internet Support > Maximum Upgrades > > tel (916) 361-2870 P.O. Box 276945 > fax (916) 361-2880 Sacramento, CA 95827 > http://www.maxup.com > djhirsch@maxup.com "Software Bloat Solutions" (c) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randal Whittle > To: TP List > Date: Thursday, August 05, 1999 12:18 PM > Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results > > >At 11:27 AM 8/5/99 -0700, you wrote: > >>Actually, "Pentium-level performance" can be achieved in the IBM ThinkPad > >>701 series. With the AMD5x86P75 microprocessor installed, the base clock > >>rate set to 33MHz, and the 16K L1 cache write-back mode enabled, CPU > >>performance is better than the P75. > >> > >>Various CPU benchmarks show a performance increase between 2 and 3 times > >>faster than the original Intel 486. For DX4-75 models, CPU Dhrystones > >>benchmarks increase from 26041 to 60975. Norton SI shows the CPU > >>performance increasing from 95.4 to 287.9. > >> > >>Randal's 20% speed increase indicates that the 5x86 was installed, but the > >>other features were not enabled. > >> > >>Best wishes, > >> > >>Douglas Hirsch > >>Internet Support > >>Maximum Upgrades > > > > Ahhh....No Doug, it doesn't indicate that at all. What it *really* > >indicates is that you're using phantom CPU-only benchmarks instead of > >real-world ones. By that, I mean to say that the Dhrystone and Norton SI > >stuff doesn't amount to squat. They measure CPU only--not overall > >sytem-level, which is all that really matters in the real world. > > > > The benchmarks I ran were far more indicative of what someone could expect > >to see in their computer's (specifically a 701) overall peformance > >increase. They were the ones that used real-world apps and did tests with > >those apps, etc. I forgot the name...ZD Labs made them...Winstone? Also > >some other stuff. > > > > I doubt that 20 months later I still have the spreadsheet I saved all this > >on, but I know I ran those same benchmarks on the pre-upgraded 701C > >(DX4-75) and the post-upgraded one, and also ran them on my TP 560 (a > >P-120) and a desktop Pentium Pro 200, just so I could have a real-world > >comparison across some other machines. The upgraded machine performed > >really quite well in CPU-only areas, but when put in context with the rest > >of the system overall--that is, general overall performance that a user can > >palatably see--the upgrade delivered a 20 to 25% performance increase over > >the stock 486 DX4-75. > > > > Unless you've got some new chip (other than the 5x86 I tested) that really > >*does* deliver on these claims of yours, I suggest you not try to snow > >anybody with claims of 2x to 3x speed increase over the original. The > >reality is that just isn't the case, unless perhaps you're measuring in a > >vacuum where CPU's operate alone without outside influences. > > > > OR...here's a much better idea: You could put your money where your mouth > >is, just as the good folks at PEP did 20 months ago. We on the list will > >come up with an objective, neutral 3rd party 701C owner with the technical > >know-how to execute "before" and "after" tests using a *legitimate* > >benchmark like the ZD Winstone tests, and we'll see if indeed the upgraded > >701C is 2 or 3 times faster as your claims insinuate. > > > > Are you up to proving your claims? We're daring ya. > > > > If you're not, then please quit making the phony claims on this list. > >Jane went through the trouble of digging up the benchmarking I did 20 > >months ago, and she's only the tip of the iceberg. We've got plenty of > >people willing to out-shout any B.S. claims until you're willing to let an > >objective 3rd party that *we* choose prove it to us. > > > > Are you game? This can be put to rest, once and for all. If the results > >from this unbiased 3rd party tester *really* show a 701C that is...oh, > >we'll say 2.5X as fast as the original in overall system performance > >(evenly split between 2X and 3X), I will personally make a public apology > >to the entire list and endorse your upgrade. > > > > The only caveats are (1) We (the list) chooses the tester, (2) the testing > >system is otherwise unchanged, and (3) you do the upgrade on that tester's > >701C free of charge. These are the exact same terms PEP did it for when I > >benchmarked their upgrade. And they never pressured me to report anything > >other than the truth. That truth was a 20 to 25% overall system boost over > >the stock 486 DX4-75. And oh, yes--one more thing: The base 701 being > >upgraded/benchmark must start from the 75 MHz version of the 486-DX4 chip, > >50 Mhz one. > > > > Are you really sure it will double or triple system performance? I'd like > >to see it. Let's see. > > > >- Randy Whittle > > From cph Fri Aug 6 19:41:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA07068 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:41:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12058; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:40:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11898; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11878; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (199.222.42.2 -> malasada.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:40:13 -0400 Received: from lava.net(wiliwili095.lava.net[207.26.193.190]) (5791 bytes) by malasada.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:40:07 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Jun-23) Message-ID: <37AB7216.D36EADBA@lava.net> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 13:39:02 -1000 From: Keith Wong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: "Douglas Hirsch, Maximum Upgrades" , TP List Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results References: <4.1.19990806150443.02cc6840@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: --I agree with Randal, in that the cpu upgrade shouln't be misrepresented with the buzzwords like "200% increase", or "twice the processing power", but the reality is that these ARE 486 motherboards, with all the bottlenecks in smaller bus paths, and primitive chipsets. We can't really expect much outta these old things. A great motherboard is what makes a system cook, because its the legs you stand on. The CPU will only allow you to take advantage of the motherboards capabilities. My questions is, are there any other alternatives for our outdated vintage machines? Is the AMD the one and only processor that can fill the bill? I'd like to know of the alternatives if there are others. Someone else had mentioned maybe doing a motherboard and screen swap. Anyone out there qualified to shoe in a 770 motherboard into a 701? They do it with motorcycles all the time but I don't think we have the luxury of drilling new holes in the frame, or letting engine components stick out of the fairing. =) Let me know if you are out there. In the mean time everybody try to be nice on the list. It felt kinda like "Lord of the Flies" for a little while, with everyone coralling around the upgraders like hyenas. Or as Austin Powers says, "Oh Behave!" Happy thinkpadding everyone and have a great weekend! --Keith Wong Honolulu, Hawaii Randal Whittle wrote: > At 03:05 PM 8/6/99 -0700, you wrote: > >That sounds great. We accept the challenge. Maximum Upgrades will perform > >CPU upgrade on one TP701 free-of-charge, and include FedEx return shipping > >as well, for a third-party owner on whom we both agree. Afterwards you will > >honestly report your findings to the group. > > Candidates, speak up. I'm out of the running as I no longer have a 701 > (and the one I had was upgraded by PEP 20 months ago). Actually, I wasn't > looking to do the last one. PEP approached me, asking if I would do so. > > So far, the following people expressed interest: > > - Peter Machule who has the ZD Winstone benchmarks and > apparently Beta tested for ZD > > - Bruce Komar , who said if he can verify a 2.5x systemic > speed increase, he would consider paying for the upgrade himself. > > Anyone else? > > >I have one clarification, though. You seem intent, Randy, on modifying > >our "CPU" benchmark results to mean "system" benchmarks results. > > Actually no, I was intent on explaining the difference. > > I'm not necessarily an expert on the technical differences between various > benchmarks in particular, but back when I was asking about them prior to > testing the upgrade PEP did to my 701, there were some people on list that > pointed out that some benchmarks were simply B.S.--that they didn't do a > very good job of anything other than belching out big numbers that made you > feel good about your new CPU. Among them were the Norton SI CPU benchmark > and the Landmark benchmark. > > That's why the general consensus was that the ZD Winstone benchmark was a > much better choice, more complete, and generally more realistic, whether > looking at it from a systemic or a CPU-intensive perspective. > > To be fair, I think the same benchmark testing should be used as was used > on my 701C that was upgraded by PEP 20 months ago. That would be the > Winstone 97 (98?) tests. That way the results can be compared apples to > apples. > > The only bad part is I don't think I have the detailed report of those > results anymore--I fear I may have tossed them away. I *think* I attached > them and sent them to the list way back when I did this. Does anyone know > if its in an archive somewhere? I think it was in an Excel spreadsheet. > > >is that various CPU benchmarks will show a 2 to 3 times increase in CPU > >speed after the upgrade. Please make sure your extensive testing before and > >after the upgrade does not overlook that fact. You will find that our CPU > >benchmark results are not "phantom," "squat," "snow," "phony" or "B.S." > > My only intent is to inform the typical reader that if their new CPU, > according to some CPU-only benchmark, appears to be 2x to 3x faster than > their old one, that they will *not* see a proportionally overall systemic > performance increase. They will not see their belove 701C move 2 to 3 > times faster than it did before. > > My beef is in using those...uh, "questionable"...CPU-only benchmarks like > Landmark or even Norton SI, then making a claim based on those. Not every > benchmark is a representative one, and even if you stick to CPU-only, some > are more...uh..."favorable"...than others. > > >Is the CPU upgrade a panacea for the entire system? Hardly. The TP701 is > >still limited by a 33MHz bus speed, no L2 cache, and 40MB of RAM. > >Installing the 5x86P75 CPU at 133MHz with the 16K L1 write-back cache > >feature enabled, however, will make this endearing computing tool easier to > >use. > > What's the price of this CPU upgrade anyway? > > - Randy Whittle From cph Fri Aug 6 20:12:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA07175 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:12:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14224; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:10:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13728; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13684; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (165.87.194.229 -> out2.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:10:11 -0400 Received: from cijeczcig1x68u (slip166-72-104-5.nj.us.ibm.net [166.72.104.5]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA72362; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:09:58 GMT Message-ID: <000e01bee069$03746460$056848a6@GOSRESNJ> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Keith Wong" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "Douglas Hirsch, Maximum Upgrades" , "TP List" References: <4.1.19990806150443.02cc6840@rcf.usc.edu> <37AB7216.D36EADBA@lava.net> Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:08:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I would be interested to know that as well. I have yet to find someone who sells motherboards for laptops. Don > My questions is, are there any other alternatives for our outdated vintage machines? > Is the AMD the one and only processor that can fill the bill? I'd like to know of the > alternatives if there are others. Someone else had mentioned maybe doing a > motherboard and screen swap. Anyone out there qualified to shoe in a 770 motherboard > into a 701? They do it with motorcycles all the time but I don't think we have the > luxury of drilling new holes in the frame, or letting engine components stick out of > the fairing. =) Let me know if you are out there. > > In the mean time everybody try to be nice on the list. It felt kinda like "Lord of > the Flies" for a little while, with everyone coralling around the upgraders like > hyenas. Or as Austin Powers says, "Oh Behave!" Happy thinkpadding everyone and have > a great weekend! > > --Keith Wong > Honolulu, Hawaii From cph Fri Aug 6 20:15:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA07179 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:15:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14830; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:13:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14388; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14366; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:12:52 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA10757; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:12:40 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003b01bee069$9b755b20$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Keith Wong" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "Douglas Hirsch, Maximum Upgrades" , "TP List" References: <4.1.19990806150443.02cc6840@rcf.usc.edu> <37AB7216.D36EADBA@lava.net> Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:12:58 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > --I agree with Randal, in that the cpu upgrade shouln't be misrepresented with the > buzzwords like "200% increase", or "twice the processing power", but the reality is > that these ARE 486 motherboards, with all the bottlenecks in smaller bus paths, and > primitive chipsets. As Randal mentioned (and I also discuss on the web page I listed here earlier in the thread), you won't see a 2x increase in *systemic* performance from a DX4-75. Had you had one of the DX2-50 machines, 2x is not entirely impossible, especially if MAXUP can speed the bus up to 33mhz. That said, my experience in going from a DX2-66 to an AMD5x86-133 on my *desktop* was that the improvement was substantial, even on systemic tests. > My questions is, are there any other alternatives for our outdated vintage machines? > Is the AMD the one and only processor that can fill the bill? The AMD is a great chip, and while there used to be a Cyrix that could also be used to replace the stock CPU, I think the AMD is better. > Anyone out there qualified to shoe in a 770 motherboard > into a 701? Tht's not going to happen, but there *are* obsolete Pentium-class subnotes with innards that might fit - for example, last-years-model Sony Vaio. Of course, some people find the latter's form factor preferable to that of the 701. Some of the TI pentium notebooks were sufficiently small that one might work. Occasionally liquidators (e.g., www.consumerdepot.com) have these for around $500 or less. - David R. From cph Fri Aug 6 20:34:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA07314 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:34:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16090; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:33:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15908; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15895; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (142.90.100.1 -> erich.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:33:01 -0400 Received: from peter ([209.181.140.177]) by erich.triumf.ca with SMTP; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:31:34 -0700 From: "peter machule" To: "Douglas Hirsch, Maximum Upgrades" , "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:30:28 -0700 Message-ID: <01bee06c$0ce3d460$d1c9b4d1@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Oh goody ! ;-} Randal is totally correct, that Landmark's Speed and Norton's Si are totally bogus. So are most /all of the other synthetic benchmarks . Note, that they do have a purpose as a diagnostic aid etc. The most useful benchmark is whatever program(s) drives you nuts because it's just too slow. It's often a combination of things that does it. This of course means that this "benchmark" is only useful to one user. It also means that if the computer isn't annoying, ie. it's fast enough ; benchmarks are rather academic. Currently, ZD's Winstone is considered the best all around System Benchmark . http://www.zdnet.com/zdbop/welcome.html I have Winstone 97 ,98 and 99 floating around here . Also a bunch of swapable HD's and Win 95/98 available. So, how do we decide upon the guinea pig ? ;-} Peter - >At 03:05 PM 8/6/99 -0700, you wrote: >>That sounds great. We accept the challenge. Maximum Upgrades will perform >>CPU upgrade on one TP701 free-of-charge, and include FedEx return shipping >>as well, for a third-party owner on whom we both agree. Afterwards you will >>honestly report your findings to the group. > > Candidates, speak up. I'm out of the running asI no longer have a 701 >(and the one I had was upgraded by PEP 20 months ago). Actually, I wasn't >looking to do the last one. PEP approached me, asking if I would do so. > > So far, the following people expressed interest: > > - Peter Machule who has the ZD Winstone benchmarks and >apparently Beta tested for ZD > > - Bruce Komar , who said if he can verify a 2.5x systemic >speed increase, he would consider paying for the upgrade himself. > From cph Fri Aug 6 20:43:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA07366 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:43:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17116; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:41:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16915; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16897; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:41:52 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.188]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990807004149.YNVU12664@dts-jl> for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:41:49 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990806204152.00a04460@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 20:41:52 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results In-Reply-To: <005e01bee057$eb72d2e0$8c40a2d1@maxhome> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:05 PM 8/6/99 -0700, Douglas Hirsch, Maximum Upgrades wrote: >That sounds great. We accept the challenge. Maximum Upgrades will perform >the CPU upgrade on one TP701 free-of-charge, and include FedEx return shipping >as well, for a third-party owner on whom we both agree. Afterwards you will >honestly report your findings to the group. > Well, regardless of how it turns out (and I've never owned a 701, so I have no vested interest here), I think that, as a vendor, Doug deserves a round of applause for stepping up the challenge! From cph Fri Aug 6 21:56:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA07648 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:56:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20801; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:55:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20684; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20671; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:55:00 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-225-020.usc.edu [128.125.225.20]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id SAA09222; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990806183744.02b492b0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 18:52:00 -0700 To: "peter machule" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results In-Reply-To: <01bee06c$0ce3d460$d1c9b4d1@peter> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:30 PM 8/6/99 -0700, you wrote: >Randal is totally correct, that Landmark's Speed and Norton's Si are totally >bogus. >So are most /all of the other synthetic benchmarks . >Note, that they do have a purpose as a diagnostic aid etc. >Currently, ZD's Winstone is considered the best all around System Benchmark . >http://www.zdnet.com/zdbop/welcome.html That's my feeling. Plus, if you do Winstone 98 (I'm pretty sure that's what I used), then there would be a direct compare to the PEP upgrade done on my machine (that is, if we can find the results on the archive list. I'll look in my own stuff, but I'll make no promises. I'm pretty sure its gone.) There is a couple of different CPU-only benchmarks within the Winstone tests, and I think they are less...err...bogus that the Landmark and Norton (et al) synthetic benchmarks. >I have Winstone 97 ,98 and 99 floating around here . >Also a bunch of swapable HD's and Win 95/98 available. Peter, do you have the full CD's for those benchmarks? There's a "mini" version you can download, and then there's the "full" version. When I did it way back, I paid $5 for ZD to ship me the CD's so I could do it "right". I am indeed curious how to best choose. When I did this for PEP, Leonard just asked me directly via private mail, I think partly because at the time I was the Director for an academic program in Electronic Commerce. I guess he probably thought that made me more likely to be objective. Whether that was a good indicator or not, I can't say. But I will say I did try to be as objective as possible. At the time I had very good things to say about Leonard because of his commitment to the truth--when I told him I wasn't impressed with the results, he exerted *no* pressure to relay anything but what I had indeed found. While I'm on it, allow me to say something positive about Doug: I think it is very big of him and Maximum Upgrades to be willing to put their product to the test in a public forum. That says a lot. The test numbers will show whether the claims are appropriate. I suspect we'll see a pretty decent improvement, but neither will it be 2 or 3x as fast, even just the CPU (unless using Landmark or somesuch). Anyone want to draft a proposal as to how the selection should go? Or the candidates--anyone want to put up a little (and I *mean* little) treatise on why you'd be the best candidate to do it? Remember the caveat--base machine should be a DX4-75, not the DX2-50. - Randy Whittle From cph Fri Aug 6 22:15:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA07698 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:15:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22207; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:14:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21987; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web107.yahoomail.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21919; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web107.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.74 -> web107.yahoomail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:11:37 -0400 Message-ID: <19990807021125.7094.rocketmail@web107.yahoomail.com> Received: from [129.15.166.179] by web107.yahoomail.com; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 19:11:25 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:11:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicolas Bourbaki Subject: TP 600 hard drive options To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Hi List, Have a 2645-41U w/3gig hdd that's getting a bit too small. What are the upgrade options? Looking at various old posts it appears the 600 will take 12.5mm or smaller drives? Is this something that I can easily do or would I better off sending it to somebody that specializes in upgrades? Does it need a "shell" or "caddy?" What about the Ultra-slim-bay? I saw a 2nd hdd adapter option at IBM's website. What's necessary with this? Thanks for any clarification. _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From cph Fri Aug 6 22:27:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA07748 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:27:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22836; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:26:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22712; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22699; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:26:29 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.216]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990807022626.NPS12664@dts-jl> for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 02:26:26 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990806222628.00944660@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 22:26:28 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: You know, I really need to clear out some clutter..... >>From: Randal Whittle >>To: TP List >>Date: Wednesday, December 31, 1997 1:22 PM >>Subject: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results >> >> >>> >>>I just sent an Excel file with all of the Winstone and Winbench Test >>>results to Emanuel Brown, who I'm sure will get this set up on his web page >>>for all to see. That also includes my own benchmarking of my P120-based >>>ThinkPad 560 as well as my desktop Pentium Pro 200 for your comparison. >>> >>>Please note that there are some Winstone scores that just won't show up. >>>For some reason, there are certain tests that my 701 just *won't* >>>complete--it hangs on the Netscape Navigator test and the PowerPoint 97 >>>test, in particular. Unfortunately, this in turn messes up some of the >>>overall test scores because it fails in these areas. >>> >>>Until Emanuel can set that up and you can get over to see those, I thought >>>I could pass along the results of some of the "simpler" tests--that of >>>Norton System Information (2.0--included in Norton Utils for Windows 2.0) >>>and Wintune 95. >>> >>>The "Stock" 701C yielded a Norton SI score of 4.0. The SI score after the >>>upgrade was 6.7. For comparison, a "typical" (I presume desktop) 386SX-16 >>>serves as the baseline at 1.0. A 486-33 (I presume desktop) is a 5.9, and >>>a Pentium 90 is 20.4. That gives you some idea of what Nortn SI thinks of >>>the upgrade. Keep in mind this is a CPU-only benchmark. >>> >>>Please note that the following is *exactly* what the benchmark reports. In >>>particular, the AMD 486 thing. Supposedly, this new CPU is an AMD >>>"Enhanced"5x86, but no, that doesn't make it a Pentium. The benchmark >>>apparently isn't fooled either--they see it as a 486 at 100 MHz. Basically >>>it appears to be a clock-quadrupled (as opposed to tripled, as is the stock >>>CPU in the 701) 25-MHz-based 486, plus the added advantage of AMD's >>>floating-point math-coprocessor being extra fast (you can see that in the >>>Whetstone score below). >>> >>>For Wintune 95, here's the details: >>> >>> >>> Upgraded 701C Stock 701C >>> -------------- --------------- >>>CPU AMD 486 Intel 486DX4 >>>Clock 100 MHz 75 MHz >>>Dhrystone 36 MIPS 25 MIPS >>>Whetstone 16 MFLOPS 6.9 MFLOPS >>>Video Speed 2.9 MP/s 2.1 MP/s >>>C: Cached Speed 4.4 MB/s 4.7 MB/s >>>C: Uncached " 1.1 MB/s 1.1 MB/s >>>RAM Read Avg. 84 MB/s 70 MB/s >>>RAM Write Avg. 28 MB/s 30 MB/s >>>RAM Copy Avg. 15 MB/s 13 MB/s >>> >>> >>>If you just *can't* wait for Mr. Brown to put up the Excel file with the >>>Winstone and Winbench scores on his web page, upon request I can send you >>>the Excel file. Just let me know in private E-mail. I am reluctant to >>>just send the file to the list because not everyone wants to or cares to >>>see it. >>> >>> >>>------- >>>Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 >>>Director, Electronic Commerce Program >>>Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From cph Fri Aug 6 22:58:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA07866 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:58:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24149; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:56:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23989; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23976; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.8 -> dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:56:43 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA21821; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:56:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908070256.VAA21821@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga2-45.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.109) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021789; Fri Aug 6 21:55:29 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Jane Loyless" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 22:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990806222628.00944660@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results List-Unsubscribe: My AMD133 yields a Norton SI of 20.1. On Fri, 06 Aug 1999 22:26:28 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: >You know, I really need to clear out some clutter..... > >>>From: Randal Whittle >>>To: TP List >>>Date: Wednesday, December 31, 1997 1:22 PM >>>Subject: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results >>> >>> >>>> >>>>I just sent an Excel file with all of the Winstone and Winbench Test >>>>results to Emanuel Brown, who I'm sure will get this set up on his web page >>>>for all to see. That also includes my own benchmarking of my P120-based >>>>ThinkPad 560 as well as my desktop Pentium Pro 200 for your comparison. >>>> >>>>Please note that there are some Winstone scores that just won't show up. >>>>For some reason, there are certain tests that my 701 just *won't* >>>>complete--it hangs on the Netscape Navigator test and the PowerPoint 97 >>>>test, in particular. Unfortunately, this in turn messes up some of the >>>>overall test scores because it fails in these areas. >>>> >>>>Until Emanuel can set that up and you can get over to see those, I thought >>>>I could pass along the results of some of the "simpler" tests--that of >>>>Norton System Information (2.0--included in Norton Utils for Windows 2.0) >>>>and Wintune 95. >>>> >>>>The "Stock" 701C yielded a Norton SI score of 4.0. The SI score after the >>>>upgrade was 6.7. For comparison, a "typical" (I presume desktop) 386SX-16 >>>>serves as the baseline at 1.0. A 486-33 (I presume desktop) is a 5.9, and >>>>a Pentium 90 is 20.4. That gives you some idea of what Nortn SI thinks of >>>>the upgrade. Keep in mind this is a CPU-only benchmark. >>>> >>>>Please note that the following is *exactly* what the benchmark reports. In >>>>particular, the AMD 486 thing. Supposedly, this new CPU is an AMD >>>>"Enhanced"5x86, but no, that doesn't make it a Pentium. The benchmark >>>>apparently isn't fooled either--they see it as a 486 at 100 MHz. Basically >>>>it appears to be a clock-quadrupled (as opposed to tripled, as is the stock >>>>CPU in the 701) 25-MHz-based 486, plus the added advantage of AMD's >>>>floating-point math-coprocessor being extra fast (you can see that in the >>>>Whetstone score below). >>>> >>>>For Wintune 95, here's the details: >>>> >>>> >>>> Upgraded 701C Stock 701C >>>> -------------- --------------- >>>>CPU AMD 486 Intel 486DX4 >>>>Clock 100 MHz 75 MHz >>>>Dhrystone 36 MIPS 25 MIPS >>>>Whetstone 16 MFLOPS 6.9 MFLOPS >>>>Video Speed 2.9 MP/s 2.1 MP/s >>>>C: Cached Speed 4.4 MB/s 4.7 MB/s >>>>C: Uncached " 1.1 MB/s 1.1 MB/s >>>>RAM Read Avg. 84 MB/s 70 MB/s >>>>RAM Write Avg. 28 MB/s 30 MB/s >>>>RAM Copy Avg. 15 MB/s 13 MB/s >>>> >>>> >>>>If you just *can't* wait for Mr. Brown to put up the Excel file with the >>>>Winstone and Winbench scores on his web page, upon request I can send you >>>>the Excel file. Just let me know in private E-mail. I am reluctant to >>>>just send the file to the list because not everyone wants to or cares to >>>>see it. >>>> >>>> >>>>------- >>>>Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 >>>>Director, Electronic Commerce Program >>>>Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California > From cph Sat Aug 7 03:38:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA08516 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:38:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04686; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:36:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04431; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04418; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:36:36 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-436.gate.net [199.227.131.245]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA108280; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:10:29 -0400 Message-ID: <37ABDBCE.6B0B6764@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 03:10:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sylvestre Meininger CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Apps and RAM (slightly OT), now gossip! References: <37AA8F4D.346F@uhb.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: recent gossip has the 770 getting one more iteration, then blotto in favor of the 600, and yes, the announcement for the next (last?) iteration is kinda (over?)due.. :-) Sylvestre Meininger wrote: **SNIPPITY SNIP** PS : Did IBM forget to announce its new TPs ? I remember that before > coming out in September, the 770 line was announced in June... -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Sat Aug 7 04:10:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA08564 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 04:10:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09762; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 04:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 04:07:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09587; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 04:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09572; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 04:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 04:07:26 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA11732 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:07:16 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000901bee0ab$e90b1680$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <3.0.1.32.19990806222628.00944660@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:07:33 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > >>>The "Stock" 701C yielded a Norton SI score of 4.0. The SI score after the > >>>upgrade was 6.7. On my desktop, from DX2-66 to AMD5x133 the SI jumped by 254% (I used Norton 5.0, so not directly comparable - my final SI value was 289). > >>>"Enhanced"5x86, but no, that doesn't make it a Pentium. The benchmark > >>>apparently isn't fooled either--they see it as a 486 at 100 MHz. Basically > >>>it appears to be a clock-quadrupled (as opposed to tripled, as is the stock > >>>CPU in the 701) 25-MHz-based 486, plus the added advantage of AMD's Hmm...MAXUP is claiming that the upgraded 701 is running at a 33 MHz bus speed. If they really bump up the bus speed by 30%, then this would certainly lead to substantial improvement. - David From cph Sat Aug 7 12:58:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA09559 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:58:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27457; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:55:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26933; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26919; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:55:31 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-155.usc.edu [128.125.223.155]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA11999; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 08:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990807080552.02c343b0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 08:10:05 -0700 To: Nicolas Bourbaki , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP 600 hard drive options In-Reply-To: <19990807021125.7094.rocketmail@web107.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:11 PM 8/6/99 -0700, you wrote: >various old posts it appears the 600 will take 12.5mm >or smaller drives? Yup. >Is this something that I can easily do or would I >better off sending it to somebody that specializes in >upgrades? Hell no! Of all the machines to be upgrading a HD, the 600 is one of the very easiest. >Does it need a "shell" or "caddy?" Yes--but its very simple and if you like, you can always use the one off your original drive. I think Bill Morrow has them for relatively cheap if you want to have an "extra". >What about the Ultra-slim-bay? I saw a 2nd hdd adapter >option at IBM's website. What's necessary with this? That's actually a way to make the upgrade easier. With the ultraslim bay HD adapter (perhaps $25 to $30), you can have 2 HD's in the machine at once. If you don't want to take up your bay for that purpose, that's fine, but do it long enough to configure your new drive and copy data over. And as a bonus--you can now use your old drive as a spare in that adapter. If you have something like Partition Magic or Drive Copy, it'll be a breeze. If not, a little more involved, but still not difficult. - Randy Whittle From cph Sat Aug 7 13:13:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA09588 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:13:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29542; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:12:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29318; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29305; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:12:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.8 -> imo18.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:12:11 -0400 Received: from Wmludlow99@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id oUBYa02406 (4418) for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:12:05 EDT Subject: CHANGE TO DIGEST FORM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 List-Unsubscribe: I'd like to have my subscription changed to digest form. Here's why. I am the owner of a butterfly 701c, and normally wait with bated breath any news regarding the 701. However, I think that we have seen a classic example of overkill regarding the CPU upgrade. Mine has the 486/75 processor, and I never have felt that it's speed was any sort of problem, even though my desktop is about 6 times faster. So what? The butterfly is still a lot faster than my first "portable" a luggable Sharp 8086 that could create a hernia by carrying it. Have we forgotten that additional speed can be obtained by increasing the 701's memory to the maximum of 40 gb., and also by increasing the size of the hard drive? (Not by a whole lot, I agree) but again, so what? What road race are we entering with a 4 lb. computer? Don't forget, the 701 is at least four years old. I respectfully think that it's time to put this whole subject to bed and in perspective. Bill Ludlow From cph Sat Aug 7 13:20:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA09625 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:20:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00385; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:19:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00192; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00177; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:19:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.7 -> imo17.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:19:01 -0400 Received: from Wmludlow99@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id oAKYa09412 (4418) for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <50575cc.24ddc47f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:18:55 EDT Subject: Re: CHANGE TO DIGEST FORM CORRECTION To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 List-Unsubscribe: I committed a laughable misprint, in stating that the memory could be increased to 40gb. That would quite likely really increase the speed of the 701! From cph Sat Aug 7 13:25:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA09638 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:25:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01107; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:24:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00787; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00774; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.35 -> mail1.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:24:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 4981 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 1999 17:23:58 -0000 Received: from pppa69-tucson24-4r693.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.204.83) by mail1.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 17:23:58 -0000 Message-ID: <37AC6B6F.43EC6ECB@netzero.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 10:22:55 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 hard drive options Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I recently upgraded my TP770 to a second drive in the UltraBay II, as described by Randal, using those parts which are available from friendly thinkpadder Bill Morrow at http://www.thinkpads.com. Didn't find any problem. Randal Whittle wrote: > > At 07:11 PM 8/6/99 -0700, you wrote: > >various old posts it appears the 600 will take 12.5mm > >or smaller drives? > > Yup. > > >Is this something that I can easily do or would I > >better off sending it to somebody that specializes in > >upgrades? > > Hell no! Of all the machines to be upgrading a HD, the 600 is one of the > very easiest. > > >Does it need a "shell" or "caddy?" > > Yes--but its very simple and if you like, you can always use the one off > your original drive. I think Bill Morrow has them for relatively cheap if > you want to have an "extra". > > >What about the Ultra-slim-bay? I saw a 2nd hdd adapter > >option at IBM's website. What's necessary with this? > > That's actually a way to make the upgrade easier. With the ultraslim bay > HD adapter (perhaps $25 to $30), you can have 2 HD's in the machine at > once. If you don't want to take up your bay for that purpose, that's fine, > but do it long enough to configure your new drive and copy data over. And > as a bonus--you can now use your old drive as a spare in that adapter. > > If you have something like Partition Magic or Drive Copy, it'll be a > breeze. If not, a little more involved, but still not difficult. > > - Randy Whittle ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Sat Aug 7 13:49:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA09708 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:49:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02485; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:47:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02310; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tango.birch.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02295; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tango.birch.net (209.251.184.60 -> birch.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:47:43 -0400 Received: from amlaptop (as1-p1.tfs.net [139.146.210.1]) by tango.birch.net with SMTP id MAA04508 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:47:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005501bee0fd$6d08e600$01d2928b@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: Subject: 14 Gig Hard Drive Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:51:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I'm thinking of getting another hard drive for my 5 gig 770 machine. The 14Gig's look nice, but I want to know if anyone knows if there are 28 Gigs?? about to be released or anything? I know, with computers if you keep waiting for the next best thing, you'll never buy anything, but the 14 Gig has been out for a while now. Thanks, Andreas!! :-) From cph Sat Aug 7 15:30:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA09970 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:30:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08056; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:29:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07916; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web109.yahoomail.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07903; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web109.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.76 -> web109.yahoomail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:29:45 -0400 Message-ID: <19990807193039.23858.rocketmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Received: from [129.15.166.193] by web109.yahoomail.com; Sat, 07 Aug 1999 12:30:39 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:30:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicolas Bourbaki Subject: Re: TP 600 hard drive options To: Randal Whittle Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Randy, Thank you very much for the pointers. Any recommendation b/w Toshiba and IBM drives? There had been some concerns about the loudness/noise of the IBMs? Is this more prevalent in drives of a particular size or manufacturing date? Gratefully, NB _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From cph Sat Aug 7 16:33:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA10070 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:33:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10544; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:30:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10219; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.fn.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10205; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.fn.net (198.247.1.1 -> wichita.fn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:30:23 -0400 Received: from uxledkvk (fsict-tc11-26.fn.net [198.247.7.26]) by wichita.fn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01296 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:30:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003001bee113$94b0de40$1a07f7c6@uxledkvk> From: "Jon W" To: Subject: thinkpad 770e & Linux SUSE Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:29:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01BEE0E9.AB32FD80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BEE0E9.AB32FD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I finally got the suse package last night. I am planning to install SUSE = LINUX into my ThinkPad 770e. I want to be able to have a dual boot = option. I have both partition magic as well as system commander = software. What should I do first ?? Should I install LINUX suse first and then use = the prog (partition magic or system commander ?? ) or the other way = round ? Presently I already have an empty 2 gig partition in my HD. Does the = SUSE support Xircom credit card modem ? I think there is also a support group just like this for people using = LINUX on their ThinkPad's, anyone know the add or how to subscribe to = them ?h Thank you so much for your help Jon W ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BEE0E9.AB32FD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I finally got the suse package last night. I am planning to install = SUSE=20 LINUX into my ThinkPad 770e. I want to be able to have a dual boot = option. I=20 have both partition magic as well as system commander software.
 
What should I do first ?? Should I install LINUX suse first and = then use=20 the prog (partition magic or system commander ?? ) or the other way = round=20 ?
 
Presently I already have an empty 2 gig partition in my HD. Does = the=20 SUSE  support  Xircom credit card modem ?
 
I think there is also a support = group just like=20 this for people using LINUX on their ThinkPad's, anyone know the add or = how to=20 subscribe to them ?h
 
Thank you so much for your help
 
Jon W
 
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BEE0E9.AB32FD80-- From cph Sat Aug 7 16:33:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA10074 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:33:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10992; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:31:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10344; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10269; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (142.90.100.1 -> erich.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:30:50 -0400 Received: from peter ([209.181.140.224]) by erich.triumf.ca with SMTP for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:29:33 -0700 From: "peter machule" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 13:28:40 -0700 Message-ID: <01bee693$984089e0$e08cb5d1@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: >"anyone want to put up a little (and I *mean* little) treatise > on why you'd be the best candidate to do it? " UGH !! Hmm , it's my job ??? ;-} I help spec most of the computer related equipment at TRIUMF. TRIUMF is Canada's Nuclear Research Lab . www.triumf.ca We spend 1.6 million last year on computers, so I deal with a variety of equipment. Bought more than a few computers, just to "test" them. Been benchmarking since the DOS 3.X days . Been on the thinkpad mailing list for 5??? years . Had at least 5 different Thinkpads. Been a Beta tester for Cyrix , MHZ (3Com ) , Ziff Davis and a few others . I also know how benchmarks work . ;-} Not sure what else to tell ...... Peter Machule Engineering Research TRIUMF 4004 Wesbrook Mall Vancouver , BC CANADA V6T 2A3 From cph Sat Aug 7 16:56:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA10126 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:56:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11815; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:52:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11735; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11718; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (142.90.100.1 -> erich.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:52:36 -0400 Received: from peter ([209.181.140.224]) by erich.triumf.ca with SMTP for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:51:19 -0700 From: "peter machule" To: "thinkpad" Subject: A couple of good deals on thinkpad 760 /755 accessories Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 13:50:26 -0700 Message-ID: <01bee696$a2cbca20$e08cb5d1@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: My good deed for the day ;-} IBM Floppy Drive External Attachment Kit $55 plus transpo http://necxdirect.necx.com/hai/prod_page.html?key=0000139285&nonce=guest and IBM Selectadock Base Model I $19 plus transpo http://necxdirect.necx.com/hai/prod_page.html?key=0000126089&nonce=guest NECX is a good company . I've dealt with them for many years , no problems . ..peter,, From cph Sat Aug 7 18:36:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10286 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:36:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15761; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:35:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15613; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wineasy.se (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15599; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wineasy.se (195.42.198.21 -> mail.wineasy.se) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:35:08 -0400 Received: from [195.67.253.9] by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.at1j) with ESMTP id sa954010 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:34:51 +0200 X-Sender: courage@mail.wineasy.se (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Wennersten Subject: laptop carrying case for 570 too tight? Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:34:51 +0200 Message-Id: <22345185539833@wineasy.se> List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I just got my first laptop (TP570) and I have bought a padded (all sides) carrying case for it. But I have started to wonder if it is too small and if that may damage the laptop. It has almost the same (inner) measurements as the 570's outer. When the laptop is in the case, there is a lot of free space in height so there is no pressure on the screen (e.g. you would almost be able to put another laptop on top of the first before zipping up the case). But the circumference seems just a tad too short. Just like you would insert a battery in the battery slot I have to dip in the front of the computer and then lower the back while pulling out the corners of the padding in order to fit the laptop in the case. Then with gentle pressure at the back corners it slides into place. When in place, it does not move around. Seen as how I have to pull the corners of the case out when lowering the laptop I assume the padding creates inward pressure at the corners, but it is not squeezed to tight - if I was to turn the case upside down the laptop (1.8 kg) would certainly fall out straight away. In the "Directions for safe usage of your Thinkpad" it says that you should not carry the laptop in a case that is tight because it may damage the LCD-screen. I didn't think this applied to my case but interpreted it as a warning to people who were about to stuff their laptop in a bag with clothing and mixed stuff when travelling or perhaps about to carry it in a tightly packed padded case along with books or peripherals. But someone told me that it applied to my case as well (having a slight inward pressure at the corners). Does the list have any comments on this. Should I get another case in which the laptop is allowed to move about a bit? Or can I safely use the one I have? Thanks, Peter Wennersten peterw@wineasy.se From cph Sat Aug 7 18:58:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10356 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:58:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16546; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:54:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16466; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16453; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.8 -> dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:54:34 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA27798 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:54:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908072254.RAA27798@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga2-45.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.109) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma027789; Sat Aug 7 17:54:25 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 18:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <22345185539833@wineasy.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: laptop carrying case for 570 too tight? List-Unsubscribe: my guess. If the unit is not stressed, it is Ok. Prolly best not to do the high hurdles routine through the airport if the case is real close. I picked up a low cost Kensington case, which is a little more roomy, but less padded. Had to augment the padding with foam rubber. But it repels water, is light, and has enough extra room to carry some files and supplemental laptop gear. Just don't cause the machine to be stressed "out of square." On Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:34:51 +0200, Peter Wennersten wrote: >Hi, > >I just got my first laptop (TP570) and I have bought a padded (all sides) >carrying case for it. But I have started to wonder if it is too small and if >that may damage the laptop. It has almost the same (inner) measurements as >the 570's outer. When the laptop is in the case, there is a lot of free >space in height so there is no pressure on the screen (e.g. you would almost >be able to put another laptop on top of the first before zipping up the >case). But the circumference seems just a tad too short. Just like you would >insert a battery in the battery slot I have to dip in the front of the >computer and then lower the back while pulling out the corners of the >padding in order to fit the laptop in the case. Then with gentle pressure at >the back corners it slides into place. When in place, it does not move >around. Seen as how I have to pull the corners of the case out when lowering >the laptop I assume the padding creates inward pressure at the corners, but >it is not squeezed to tight - if I was to turn the case upside down the >laptop (1.8 kg) would certainly fall out straight away. > >In the "Directions for safe usage of your Thinkpad" it says that you should >not carry the laptop in a case that is tight because it may damage the >LCD-screen. I didn't think this applied to my case but interpreted it as a >warning to people who were about to stuff their laptop in a bag with >clothing and mixed stuff when travelling or perhaps about to carry it in a >tightly packed padded case along with books or peripherals. But someone told >me that it applied to my case as well (having a slight inward pressure at >the corners). > >Does the list have any comments on this. Should I get another case in which >the laptop is allowed to move about a bit? Or can I safely use the one I have? > >Thanks, > >Peter Wennersten >peterw@wineasy.se > From cph Sat Aug 7 22:29:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA10852 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:29:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23334; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:27:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23113; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mco.bellsouth.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23082; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mco.bellsouth.net (205.152.48.13 -> mail1.mco.bellsouth.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:26:22 -0400 Received: from flh460wdunaway2 (host-209-214-33-11.mco.bellsouth.net [209.214.33.11]) by mail1.mco.bellsouth.net (3.3.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA17419 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Wes Dunaway" To: "ThinkPad mailing list (E-mail)" Subject: Solaris on ThinkPad 760XL Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:26:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bee145$6a3f02e0$33a44cd8@flh460wdunaway2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I'm trying to load Solaris 7 x86 on my ThinkPad 760XL. The OS is loaded and it boots, but I've got a few problems: X-Windows: I've tried several of the options in Solaris' kdmconfig utility, but I can't get X-Windows to work in anything but 640x480 16-color mode. The 760XL has a Trident Cyber9385 chip for which isn't a driver built into Solaris. I suspect that what's needed here is a custom device driver, or a version of XFree86 compiled for this chip. Ethernet: I've got a 3Com 3C589D card, which is on the Solaris HCL, and Solaris loads the driver at boot time. I've got a link light but there's some kind of problem because I can't ping or otherwise connect with this network card. Modem: I've got an IBM X2 56K modem (firmware updated to V.90). IBM FRU 04K0054 model XJ1560. If I try to boot Solaris with the modem installed, it hangs at boottime after the "SunOS... Copyright 1983..." information is displayed. Audio (a small concern): Solaris identified an audio device, but when I try to use it (i.e. cat flush.au | /dev/audio) I get an error "ksh: /dev/audio: cannot execute". cat /dev/audio results in a horrible screeching sound. Needless to say, Solaris is pretty useless without ethernet or X-Windows. Any help/hints are greatly appreciated! Wes Dunaway From cph Sat Aug 7 23:24:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA10959 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:24:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25338; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:23:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25156; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25125; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:23:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mill.cisco.com (161.44.200.11 -> mill.cisco.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:23:14 -0400 Received: from mill.cisco.com (mill.cisco.com [161.44.200.11]) by mill.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA06625; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:23:05 -0400 (EDT) To: Wes Dunaway cc: "ThinkPad mailing list (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Solaris on ThinkPad 760XL In-Reply-To: <000301bee145$6a3f02e0$33a44cd8@flh460wdunaway2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Frankly, if you're looking for Unix on a notebook, I'd go with Linux. I don't even think that Solaris X86 is being supported (any more) for the notebook platforms, meaning problems galore with PCMCIA drivers, etc. Now for the specifics: On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Wes Dunaway wrote: > X-Windows: I've tried several of the options in Solaris' kdmconfig utility, > but I can't get X-Windows to work in anything but 640x480 16-color mode. > The 760XL has a Trident Cyber9385 chip for which isn't a driver built into > Solaris. I suspect that what's needed here is a custom device driver, or a > version of XFree86 compiled for this chip. XFree86 is going to be your best bet -- and it's not "compiled" for that specific chipset, but, rather, a whole different Xserver in and ov itself (though a Trident probably falls under the fairly wide-ranging SVGA server). > Ethernet: I've got a 3Com 3C589D card, which is on the Solaris HCL, and > Solaris loads the driver at boot time. I've got a link light but there's > some kind of problem because I can't ping or otherwise connect with this > network card. 1. That's a hokey card -- I've had problems with it under *all* OS's I've tried to use it under, and 2. The newest PCMCIA Linux release apparently addresses some of these issues. Solaris, shall we say, may be a different story. > > Modem: I've got an IBM X2 56K modem (firmware updated to V.90). IBM FRU > 04K0054 model XJ1560. If I try to boot Solaris with the modem installed, it > hangs at boottime after the "SunOS... Copyright 1983..." information is > displayed. Under Solaris, you're plain out of luck -- it's a "WinModem," and needs specific drivers that just don't exist. With LInux, you'd also be out of luck... for now. There are rumors that IBM will release Linux drivers for various Thinkpad WinModems at some point in the nearish future. Don't hold your breath. In a nutshell, if it ain't Windows, it ain't gonna work... at least for the moment. Note that this holds true for most notebook manufacturers these days. I *hate* WinModems. > > Audio (a small concern): Solaris identified an audio device, but when I try > to use it (i.e. cat flush.au | /dev/audio) I get an error "ksh: /dev/audio: > cannot execute". cat /dev/audio results in a horrible screeching sound. Ummm... yer goofin'. ;-) Don't you mean "cat flush.au > /dev/audio"? ksh is doing exactly what it should be, since /dev/audio isn't an executable. Hope this helps... -Ken From cph Sun Aug 8 01:22:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA11247 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:22:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29981; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:21:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29767; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29748; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:21:29 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-225-019.usc.edu [128.125.225.19]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id WAA17590 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990807220436.01dc65e0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:18:30 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: 701 Upgrade Thread: Something to point out Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hi List, Just wanted clarify something, particularly after getting a message from Doug at Maximum Upgrades, asking where he might have said something that was innacurate. I fear we got off on a tangent, and I'd like to set the record straight: Doug has not, to my knowledge, ever promised a 2 to 3 times systemic performance increase. His only claim has been a 2 to 3 times CPU performance increase. I just pointed out that doesn't directly translate to a *systemic* multiple, and somehow the two got intertwined. I apologize for my part in the mixup. My criticism is mainly upon what I see to be a consideration of this CPU performance increase in a vacuum apart from the system. An additional criticism is that I *suspect* (though I do not know) that the benchmarks used to see this 2 to 3 times CPU performance increase are of a type called "synthetic" bechmarks which are...err...not very accurate, IMO. An oft-quoted one is called "Landmark", and its not one I would rely on. At any rate, I wanted to point out that Doug has *never* to my knowledge claimed a 2 to 3 times *system* performance increase, only a 2 to 3 times *CPU* performance increase. I am sorry that my response to that claim has mucked up the issue somewhat, particularly when my intent was to clarify, rather than confuse. I don't mean to cast an unnecessarily poor light on Doug or Maximum Upgrades, especially if perceived over something that he/they did not actually say. To top it all off, I have to say he/they have been very good sports to be willing to rise up to the challenge presented to them. Just wanted to get that out, as I have come to realize I was guilty of allowing a misconception to pervade. That said, I am genuinely interested in the results of the benchmark when this is done. Regards to all, - Randy Whittle From cph Sun Aug 8 01:34:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA11257 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:34:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00699; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:33:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00561; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from efni.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00548; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from efni.com (207.61.147.82 -> quantum.efni.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:33:19 -0400 Received: from stream-0283.efni.com (stream-0283.efni.com [204.101.93.31]) by efni.com (Postal Strike, 1.2/Strike) with SMTP id BAA03560 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:34:44 -0400 (EDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:13:02 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <4.1.19990806183744.02b492b0@rcf.usc.edu> In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990806183744.02b492b0@rcf.usc.edu> Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Me, too. Speaking on my own behalf, I would point to two factors in my favour: Primo: I still use a 701 in preference to other computers that are available to me (except for intensive touch-typing where a "real" keyboard is better). Secundo: I wouldn't be volunteering, except that I have SECOND TP701C DX4-75. So I'll not only be able to compare them "before and after" but also "side by side". I have 8+32 = 40 MB. Happy choosing. -- cheers Jonathan From cph Sun Aug 8 02:27:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA11333 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:27:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02540; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:26:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02352; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02334; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (140.142.77.10 -> jason03.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:26:12 -0400 Received: from dante15.u.washington.edu (williams@dante15.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.41]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id XAA22962 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:26:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante15.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id XAA57158 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:26:05 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:26:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: OT: Disappearing Files Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, My 770ED crashed this morning and when I rebooted somehow I went from about 40 Meg free to 270 Meg (C drive). This is the second time that files were deleted without my action. The first time I noticed that the calculator mysteriously disappeared. This time I haven't been able to determine what's missing. Could there be 200 Meg in temp files? I am running Win 95 OSR2. Is it time to upgrade to Win 98? Does 98 have a similar problem? How about Win 2000; any more stable? Thanks, John From cph Sun Aug 8 02:51:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA11383 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:51:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03534; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:50:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03360; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03343; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:50:18 -0400 Received: from ip-216.145.8.15.az.com (ip-216.145.8.15.az.com [216.145.8.15]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA17702 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:50:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199908080650.XAA17702@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sat, 07 Aug 99 23:56:11 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OT: Disappearing Files List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:26:05 -0700 (PDT), J. Williams wrote: >Hi, > >My 770ED crashed this morning and when I rebooted somehow I went from >about 40 Meg free to 270 Meg (C drive). This is the second time that files >were deleted without my action. > >The first time I noticed that the calculator mysteriously disappeared. >This time I haven't been able to determine what's missing. Could there be >200 Meg in temp files? I am running Win 95 OSR2. Is it time to upgrade to >Win 98? Does 98 have a similar problem? How about Win 2000; any more >stable? This may sound silly, but have you scanned for viruses? If so and none were found, you might try a scandisk and surface test on the harddrive. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Sun Aug 8 10:29:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA21406 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:28:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27053; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:26:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26751; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26724; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (128.196.137.197 -> trifid.U.Arizona.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:26:11 -0400 Received: from e770 (cx-p.opt-sci.arizona.edu [150.135.52.53]) by trifid.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09298 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 07:26:05 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990808071736.00a545c0@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 07:24:58 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Stuart F. Biggar" Subject: Re: Solaris on ThinkPad 760XL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: > Frankly, if you're looking for Unix on a notebook, I'd go with Linux. I > don't even think that Solaris X86 is being supported (any more) for the > notebook platforms, meaning problems galore with PCMCIA drivers, etc. Now > for the specifics: True that Sun has dropped support for notebooks in Solaris 7 but the 760ED was explicitly supported in 2.5.1 DU and the video was included in 2.6 so it is probably still in 7. PCMCIA support is still in 7 including a driver for the 3C589 and for real PCMCIA modems and some SRAM cards and ATA devices. I have Solaris 7 working quite nicely on a 770E (PII 266) with 224 MB of RAM with the Sun workshop compilers, etc. I did use a 3rd party (commercial) X server (Xi Graphics) but Xfree86 is supposed to support the newer chips also. Just a comment on performance. My notebook runs an FP intensive home grown program at just about 50% of the speed of a 300 MHz SPARC ULTRA. Exact same f77 code built with the Workshop compilers (-fast option). Graphics performance on the 770E is OK (but slow compared to the SPARC Creator 3D with both running 24-bit/pixel). However, with my notebook, I can carry it on trips, run on battery, and it triple boots (NT and DOS also loaded if needed) using System Commander. Not too bad for a portable compared to a fairly expensive desktop. My comments follow: >> X-Windows: I've tried several of the options in Solaris' kdmconfig utility, >> but I can't get X-Windows to work in anything but 640x480 16-color mode. >> The 760XL has a Trident Cyber9385 chip for which isn't a driver built into >> Solaris. I suspect that what's needed here is a custom device driver, or a >> version of XFree86 compiled for this chip. > XFree86 is going to be your best bet -- and it's not "compiled" for that > specific chipset, but, rather, a whole different Xserver in and ov itself > (though a Trident probably falls under the fairly wide-ranging SVGA > server). I expect that the built-in (at least in 2.6) 760ED (2 MB) XGA driver from Sun will work. It works fine under 2.6 on our 765D in 8-bit color. Make sure you apply any recommended patches. I found with our 765D that there were Openwindows hangs until I installed ALL available patches for x86 that were on the Sunsolve site. >> Ethernet: I've got a 3Com 3C589D card, which is on the Solaris HCL, and >> Solaris loads the driver at boot time. I've got a link light but there's >> some kind of problem because I can't ping or otherwise connect with this >> network card. > 1. That's a hokey card -- I've had problems with it under *all* OS's I've > tried to use it under, and > 2. The newest PCMCIA Linux release apparently addresses some of these > issues. Solaris, shall we say, may be a different story. Solaris has supported it since before 2.5.1 and it works fine (if slow compared to real NICs). If your notebook has a TI1130 PCI-Cardbus controller (I think most 760 models do and the 765D does), you have to force 8-bit operation with the 3C589. See the docs on the 3c589 (answerbook or docs.sun.com) on the exact line to go in the pcelx.conf file which you MUST create. Newer ThinkPads with the TI1250 controller like my 770E do not need this 8-bit work around. >> >> Modem: I've got an IBM X2 56K modem (firmware updated to V.90). IBM FRU >> 04K0054 model XJ1560. If I try to boot Solaris with the modem installed, it >> hangs at boottime after the "SunOS... Copyright 1983..." information is >> displayed. > Under Solaris, you're plain out of luck -- it's a "WinModem," and needs > specific drivers that just don't exist. With LInux, you'd also be out of > luck... for now. There are rumors that IBM will release Linux drivers for > various Thinkpad WinModems at some point in the nearish future. Don't > hold your breath. In a nutshell, if it ain't Windows, it ain't gonna > work... at least for the moment. Note that this holds true for most > notebook manufacturers these days. I *hate* WinModems. If it is a WinModem - get a real PCMCIA modem. I have used a USR Courier V.everything (33.6) and a TDK Global Class 33.6 modem with Solaris 2.5.1, 2.6, and now 7 (755CX, 765D, and now 770E). I have heard that the new 56K TDK and real USR/3Com/MHz PCMCIA modems (Global) work fine with Solaris 7 but I haven't used one (the SPARC in my office that I connect to only has a 33.6 modem). The same modems work fine with NT also. Note that with Solaris 2.6 and 7, ThinkPads with more than 64 MB need an "unsupported" pcic driver that fixes some configuration problems. It is not needed with 2.5.1. or on machines with 64 MB or less. Email me if you need the fixed pcic driver. Also, it appears that with Solaris 7 (at least on my 770E), the machine will not boot with a PCMCIA card in the top slot (0). The slot can be used after boot for either a modem or ethernet (in my case at least). Machine boots fine with either a modem or 3C589D in the bottom slot (1). I have not been able to use anything in a SelectaDock3 with Solaris 7 and my 770E. An IBM PCI ethernet card (100/10 Etherjet) worked fine with our 765D running 2.6 so something has changed with 7 ... I prefer Solaris to Linux (we have SPARCs at work) and it runs fine if you have sufficient memory. I suggest an absolute minimum of 64 MB and more if possible. When running just a few things under Openwindows, top shows less than 100 MB free of the 224 installed on my 770E. CDE uses more. Solaris on my 770E is MUCH more stable than NT4 SP3 as delivered by IBM. It does not crash. Hot plugging of the modem works as it does for the 3C589D as long as you shut down networking and unload the module prior to unplugging. Suspend and hibernate also work (shutdown/unload via script prior to suspend/hibernate). If you can live with the limited device support, Solaris does work (and work quite well although it has a few bothersome "features"). Stuart >> >> Audio (a small concern): Solaris identified an audio device, but when I try >> to use it (i.e. cat flush.au | /dev/audio) I get an error "ksh: /dev/audio: >> cannot execute". cat /dev/audio results in a horrible screeching sound. > Ummm... yer goofin'. ;-) Don't you mean "cat flush.au > /dev/audio"? > ksh is doing exactly what it should be, since /dev/audio isn't an > executable. > > Hope this helps... > > -Ken From cph Sun Aug 8 12:08:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21585 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:08:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29798; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:06:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29549; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29536; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (132.187.1.7 -> wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:06:04 -0400 Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.2.12]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/uniwue-MM-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA21182 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:06:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 8 Aug 99 18:06:02 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.44); 8 Aug 99 18:05:35 +0200 Received: from mail.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.96) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 8 Aug 99 18:05:31 +0200 Received: from babylon5 (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2] ) by mail.stelarcom.de (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:06:59 -0100 Message-Id: <199908081806.5938876.7@mail.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 18:05:06 +0200 (MST) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990808071736.00a545c0@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Solaris on ThinkPad 760XL List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 08 Aug 1999 07:24:58 -0700, Stuart F. Biggar wrote: > > Frankly, if you're looking for Unix on a notebook, I'd go with Linux. I > > don't even think that Solaris X86 is being supported (any more) for the > > notebook platforms, meaning problems galore with PCMCIA drivers, etc. Now > > for the specifics: > >True that Sun has dropped support for notebooks in Solaris 7 but the >760ED was explicitly supported in 2.5.1 DU and the video was included in >2.6 so it is probably still in 7. PCMCIA support is still in 7 >including a driver for the 3C589 and for real PCMCIA modems and some >SRAM cards and ATA devices. Your 760 must be supported by Solaris. NASA will run these machines (760ED and XD) on the ISS (alias Alpha Spacestation) in that configuration. So they must get it to work somehow... -- CU/2 (( In the beginning was The Word Alexander Wagner )) and The Word was Content-type: text/plain Team OS/2 Franken (( _________________________________________________________________________ -=[ Team OS/2 Germany #294 ]=- Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or A.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for replies, even if some other addresses may appear. Thanks! 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Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi List, With all of the talk on the list regarding the AMD 133 Mhz upgrade I thought I'd run some tests and post them. I will run the speed tests under windoze95 and am wondering what benchmark programs people would like me to run. My primary OS is linux, I try to stay away from MS anything but for this test I will build a drive. The first test will be between 2 ThinkPad 755ce's, identicle config except one has had the AMD 133 installed, it is running in write-through mode however not write-back(which should be faster). The second test will be between my TP360ce 486 dx2/50 pre AMD 133 mod and then I'll run the tests again after I upgrade it. The goal with the 360 will be to up the bus to 33 Mhz from 25 and possibly try getting the AMD running in write-back mode. So which tests would people like to see run? have a great day! Steve "Don't fear the Penguins!" From cph Sun Aug 8 20:25:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA22819 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:25:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04773; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:23:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04523; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04502; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.13 -> dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:23:10 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA24746 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 19:23:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908090023.TAA24746@dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga14-56.ix.netcom.com(207.95.119.120) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma024722; Sun Aug 8 19:22:43 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 20:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: AMD 133 Mhz upgrades... List-Unsubscribe: The cacheck program will give a measure of the difference between write back and write through L2 cache. In that manner, the L2 variable can be isolated. It must be run from DOS, so a DOS boot disk is needed. It may provide a measure of the impact on RAM if any of upping the bus speed. On Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:37:25 -0700 (PDT), Steve wrote: >Hi List, > >With all of the talk on the list regarding the AMD 133 Mhz upgrade I >thought I'd run some tests and post them. I will run the speed tests under >windoze95 and am wondering what benchmark programs people would like me to >run. My primary OS is linux, I try to stay away from MS anything but for >this test I will build a drive. > >The first test will be between 2 ThinkPad 755ce's, identicle config except >one has had the AMD 133 installed, it is running in write-through mode >however not write-back(which should be faster). > >The second test will be between my TP360ce 486 dx2/50 pre AMD 133 mod and >then I'll run the tests again after I upgrade it. >The goal with the 360 will be to up the bus to 33 Mhz from 25 and possibly >try getting the AMD running in write-back mode. > >So which tests would people like to see run? > >have a great day! > >Steve > >"Don't fear the Penguins!" > From cph Mon Aug 9 03:14:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA23734 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:14:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19944; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:12:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19525; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19485; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:12:26 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-350.gate.net [199.227.131.159]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA221118; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:12:22 -0400 Message-ID: <37AE7F30.C71A27F4@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 03:11:44 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Michaelides CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 14 Gig Hard Drive References: <005501bee0fd$6d08e600$01d2928b@amlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have heard nothing about higher capacity notebook drives... for now, 14gig is max for the 770 series and 10gigs is max for the 600 series.. Andreas Michaelides wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm thinking of getting another hard drive for my 5 gig 770 machine. The > 14Gig's look nice, but I want to know if anyone knows if there are 28 Gigs?? > about to be released or anything? > > I know, with computers if you keep waiting for the next best thing, you'll > never buy anything, but the 14 Gig has been out for a while now. > > Thanks, > Andreas!! > :-) -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Mon Aug 9 03:17:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA23749 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:17:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20492; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:15:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20063; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20039; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:15:03 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-350.gate.net [199.227.131.159]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA267542; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:15:16 -0400 Message-ID: <37AE7FDE.DA0BD414@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 03:14:38 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nicolas Bourbaki CC: Randal Whittle , tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 hard drive options References: <19990807193039.23858.rocketmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: They all make noise.. personally, IBM are the best, IMO, but if you want a toshiba, they are available.. FWIW... several years ago, i sold about 75 toshiba 2.1gig drives.. i had about a 40% warranty return rate on those drives.. Nicolas Bourbaki wrote: > Randy, > > Thank you very much for the pointers. Any > recommendation b/w Toshiba and IBM drives? > > There had been some concerns about the loudness/noise > of the IBMs? > > Is this more prevalent in drives of a particular size > or manufacturing date? > > Gratefully, > NB > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Mon Aug 9 03:24:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA23779 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:24:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21651; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:23:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21388; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21373; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:22:56 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-350.gate.net [199.227.131.159]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA91836; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:23:10 -0400 Message-ID: <37AE81B8.16B67AAB@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 03:22:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Wennersten CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: laptop carrying case for 570 too tight? References: <22345185539833@wineasy.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Peter.. the 570 should fit easily in the bag without compressing the padding.. also, a customer whho just returned from egypt with her thinkpad, found the display busted.. she had it in her luggage, so, its not good to put pressure on the top.. a hard side is a good idea for a laptop case.. when i take any of mine anyplace, i usually grab most any case, but if i were to travel by air or any other way than driveing myself, i would use my haliburton zero case... Peter Wennersten wrote: > Hi, > > I just got my first laptop (TP570) and I have bought a padded (all sides) > carrying case for it. But I have started to wonder if it is too small and if > that may damage the laptop. It has almost the same (inner) measurements as > the 570's outer. When the laptop is in the case, there is a lot of free > space in height so there is no pressure on the screen (e.g. you would almost > be able to put another laptop on top of the first before zipping up the > case). But the circumference seems just a tad too short. Just like you would > insert a battery in the battery slot I have to dip in the front of the > computer and then lower the back while pulling out the corners of the > padding in order to fit the laptop in the case. Then with gentle pressure at > the back corners it slides into place. When in place, it does not move > around. Seen as how I have to pull the corners of the case out when lowering > the laptop I assume the padding creates inward pressure at the corners, but > it is not squeezed to tight - if I was to turn the case upside down the > laptop (1.8 kg) would certainly fall out straight away. > > In the "Directions for safe usage of your Thinkpad" it says that you should > not carry the laptop in a case that is tight because it may damage the > LCD-screen. I didn't think this applied to my case but interpreted it as a > warning to people who were about to stuff their laptop in a bag with > clothing and mixed stuff when travelling or perhaps about to carry it in a > tightly packed padded case along with books or peripherals. But someone told > me that it applied to my case as well (having a slight inward pressure at > the corners). > > Does the list have any comments on this. Should I get another case in which > the laptop is allowed to move about a bit? Or can I safely use the one I have? > > Thanks, > > Peter Wennersten > peterw@wineasy.se -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Mon Aug 9 03:40:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA23832 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:40:57 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22999; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:39:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22694; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22681; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:39:12 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-350.gate.net [199.227.131.159]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA42322 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:04:51 -0400 Message-ID: <37AE7D6D.AEC9A0AA@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 03:04:13 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Off topic but - Spam..?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Is anyone else receiving more SPAM with the list messages..?? i have been getting more and more offers to buy office 97 from an amazing array of different spammers, as well as other get rich quick offers.. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Mon Aug 9 03:46:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA23840 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:46:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23644; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:45:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23431; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23403; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (198.161.157.104 -> edtnps04.telusplanet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:44:56 -0400 Received: from clgr000018.hs.telusplanet.net ([161.184.80.18]:64131 "HELO sivcowebdemo.sivco.com") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id <48265-21691>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 01:44:09 -0600 From: Geza Szivos/SIVCO Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 01:44:17 -0600 To: Bill Morrow cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Off topic but - Spam..?? Message-ID: <697906A700B6F67B872567C8002A74EF.0000000000000000@sivco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I get offers too. From cph Mon Aug 9 06:44:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA24374 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:44:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA09062; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:42:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08931; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08918; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (165.87.194.252 -> out1.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:42:47 -0400 Received: from ibm.net (slip139-92-192-126.por.uk.ibm.net [139.92.192.126]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA46452; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:42:32 GMT Message-ID: <37AEAEB7.C02E3C05@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 11:34:33 +0100 From: Tony Wright Organization: Equi-Tek CompCon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: Geza Szivos/SIVCO Subject: Re: Off topic but - Spam..?? References: <697906A700B6F67B872567C8002A74EF.0000000000000000@sivco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Geza Szivos/SIVCO wrote: > I get offers too. Lucky you! - I never seem to get the type of "offers" that you can't publish on a public newsgroup/list in all decency. :-( What happened to "filters" anyway? - Don't they work? -- Rgds Tony W Email: horseman@ibm.net "humanum est errare: To err is human .... and to fail is to be a Project Manager... ...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!" From cph Mon Aug 9 08:57:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA24614 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:57:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14026; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:56:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13761; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13744; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (207.69.200.33 -> smtp3.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:56:05 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2iveag9.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.42.9]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA15722 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:56:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: Off topic but - Spam..?? Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:58:38 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <37AE7D6D.AEC9A0AA@icanect.net> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I'm getting these offers. too. Didn't think that they might be coming through subscription to this list. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@icanect.net] Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 3:04 AM To: ThinkPad List Subject: Off topic but - Spam..?? Is anyone else receiving more SPAM with the list messages..?? i have been getting more and more offers to buy office 97 from an amazing array of different spammers, as well as other get rich quick offers.. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Mon Aug 9 09:14:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA24643 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:14:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15105; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:13:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14980; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14967; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:13:06 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.227]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990809131303.LMSS9818@dts-jl> for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:13:03 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990809091303.00ab5100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:13:03 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Off topic but - Spam..?? In-Reply-To: <37AE7D6D.AEC9A0AA@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:04 AM 8/9/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Is anyone else receiving more SPAM with the list messages..?? > >i have been getting more and more offers to buy office 97 from an >amazing array of different spammers, >as well as other get rich quick offers.. > Yeah, I get unsolicited commercial e-mail (UCE), too, but I have no idea whether it's this list or one of the gazillion others I subscribe to that prompted it. Or it could be that they got my e-mail address from a web site. If I'm feeling energetic, I try to decipher the headers and report them; otherwise, I delete/filter them. If UCE was the worst thing that had happened lately, I'd be doing OK. It's an annoyance at best. From cph Mon Aug 9 09:25:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA24704 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:25:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16170; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:24:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16030; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16011; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:24:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu (128.226.6.3 -> bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:24:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (bg21331@localhost) by bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28988; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:24:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu: bg21331 owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:24:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: bg21331@bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu To: Jane Loyless cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Off topic but - Spam..?? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990809091303.00ab5100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Jane Loyless wrote: > At 03:04 AM 8/9/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >Is anyone else receiving more SPAM with the list messages..?? > > I only subscribe to a couple of lists and don't get any spam so I hope this relieves the burden of guilt off this (and linux-thinkpad) lists. No filters on my machine either. Cheers, Ian Lunt From cph Mon Aug 9 09:37:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA24756 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:37:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17515; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:35:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17183; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17169; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:35:09 -0400 Received: from scansrv (r7a006661ax.hlb.cable.rcn.com [209.122.66.230]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id JAA12432; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by scansrv (VPOP3) with SMTP; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:35:02 -0400 Message-ID: <0b4301bee26b$fbe3a210$0100a8c0@desktop> From: "Robert Briganti" To: "Bill Morrow" , "ThinkPad List" References: <37AE7D6D.AEC9A0AA@icanect.net> Subject: Re: Off topic but - Spam..?? Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:35:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0d - Registered to: LOMAX [DSI] List-Unsubscribe: For what it's worth, I forward the Office97 solicitations to piracy@microsoft.com. Maybe it's a waste of time but at least it makes me feel better. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morrow To: ThinkPad List Sent: Monday, August 9, 1999 03:04 Subject: Off topic but - Spam..?? > Is anyone else receiving more SPAM with the list messages..?? > > i have been getting more and more offers to buy office 97 from an > amazing array of different spammers, > as well as other get rich quick offers.. > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph Mon Aug 9 14:09:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA26429 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:09:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06219; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:05:33 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05708; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:05:31 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id OAA17847 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01177; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (128.95.79.74) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:04:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (kress@localhost) by brimstone.geology.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02999; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:07:00 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:07:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Victor Kress To: Jane Loyless cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Off topic but - Spam..?? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990809091303.00ab5100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I only subscribe to this list, and I don't use my correct address on my web browser. Except for the occasional exception addressed to this list, and some stuff havested from the Department web page I don't get any spam. This list is pretty good about that. -Victor Kress On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Jane Loyless wrote: > At 03:04 AM 8/9/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >Is anyone else receiving more SPAM with the list messages..?? > > > >i have been getting more and more offers to buy office 97 from an > >amazing array of different spammers, > >as well as other get rich quick offers.. > > > > Yeah, I get unsolicited commercial e-mail (UCE), too, but I have no idea > whether it's this list or one of the gazillion others I subscribe to that > prompted it. Or it could be that they got my e-mail address from a web > site. If I'm feeling energetic, I try to decipher the headers and > report them; otherwise, I delete/filter them. > > If UCE was the worst thing that had happened lately, I'd be doing OK. It's > an annoyance at best. > From cph Mon Aug 9 18:51:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28211 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:51:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24172; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:49:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23949; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23936; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:49:52 -0400 Received: from ip-216.145.8.17.az.com (ip-216.145.8.17.az.com [216.145.8.17]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA28801 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:49:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199908092249.PAA28801@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Mon, 09 Aug 99 15:55:48 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Off topic but - Spam..?? List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 03:04:13 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Is anyone else receiving more SPAM with the list messages..?? > >i have been getting more and more offers to buy office 97 from an >amazing array of different spammers, >as well as other get rich quick offers.. I have been within the last week or two been getting more spam but they haven't been in the Thinkpad list folder (everything is filtered). Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Mon Aug 9 18:52:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28223 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:52:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24467; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:51:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24219; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from einstein.phy.duke.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24205; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from einstein.phy.duke.edu (152.3.182.4 -> einstein.phy.duke.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:51:36 -0400 Received: from lem.phy.duke.edu (hsg@lem.phy.duke.edu [152.3.182.25]) by einstein.phy.duke.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19978 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hsg@localhost) by lem.phy.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.8.5) id SAA04647; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:51:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:51:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199908092251.SAA04647@lem.phy.duke.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: lem.phy.duke.edu: hsg set sender to hsg@lem.phy.duke.edu using -f From: "Henry S. Greenside" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Question about upgrading 570 Thinkpad hard drive List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know if it is possible to replace the 4.0 GB drive on a Thinkpad 570 with one of the 8.1 or 10.0 GB Travelstar notebook drives (part number DCXA-208100 or DCXA-210000)? Does such a drive fit smoothly into the 570? The official IBM upgrade options for a 570 of $800 for a 6.4 GB drive are ridiculously high compared to the OEM IBM 10.0 GB drive which one can buy for about $280. Thanks, Henry From cph Mon Aug 9 19:01:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA28300 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:01:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25390; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:00:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25252; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25234; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.3 -> dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:00:33 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA21195 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:00:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908092300.SAA21195@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga5-21.ix.netcom.com(207.222.235.21) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021176; Mon Aug 9 18:00:04 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 19:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199908092251.SAA04647@lem.phy.duke.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Dock II List-Unsubscribe: I picked up a Dock II and shelf for my 760CD. After reading the manual, it looks a little complicated. Do the devices that go into the 2 expansion slots *have* to be scsi? Is there any reason to use scsi in the Dock? (besides a little speed increase). I'd like to add a fast CD drive, and a really big IDE hard drive.... Allan Ballard From cph Mon Aug 9 19:25:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA28440 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:25:07 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27006; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:24:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26905; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26884; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235 -> smtp2.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:24:13 -0400 Received: from richard ([216.164.6.71]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09265; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990809192314.009fbc90@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 19:24:13 -0400 To: "Henry S. Greenside" From: richard Subject: Re: Question about upgrading 570 Thinkpad hard drive Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199908092251.SAA04647@lem.phy.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I'm using a 10gb Travelstar in my 570. Fits smoothly, works fine. At 06:51 PM 8/9/99 -0400, Henry S. Greenside wrote: >Does anyone know if it is possible to replace the 4.0 GB drive on >a Thinkpad 570 with one of the 8.1 or 10.0 GB Travelstar notebook >drives (part number DCXA-208100 or DCXA-210000)? Does such a >drive fit smoothly into the 570? > >The official IBM upgrade options for a 570 of $800 for a 6.4 GB >drive are ridiculously high compared to the OEM IBM 10.0 GB drive >which one can buy for about $280. From cph Tue Aug 10 05:37:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA30666 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:37:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03593; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:33:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03297; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03282; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (192.134.240.50 -> uhbhic.uhb.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:33:30 -0400 Received: from tp-770 (cb1341.uhb.fr [192.134.240.30]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id LAA21940 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:33:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <37AFF3DF.6B1A@uhb.fr> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:41:51 +0200 From: Sylvestre Meininger X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Waking up from hibernation (and additional speculations) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Is there a way to configure a 770ED so that it wakes up from Hibernation (not from Pause, that's easy) at a given time ? Do I need special software or drivers in order to do this ? Or is it just plain impossible ? Regarding speculations on soon-to-be-released high-end models, Bill Morrow's gossip seems to prove me right : having come to the conclusion that there's nothing a 770 could ever do that a 600 can't, IBM seems to be about to discontinue the 770 line. A good day to you all. From cph Tue Aug 10 10:31:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA31644 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:31:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16838; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:29:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16570; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from u3.farm.idt.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16538; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from u3.farm.idt.net (169.132.8.12 -> u3.farm.idt.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:29:44 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (ppp-23.ts-1-bay.hck.idt.net [169.132.56.23]) by u3.farm.idt.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA23931 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:29:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "A Kumar" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: ThinkPad-Linux list Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:29:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bee33c$cd8c00c0$173884a9@thinkpad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Someone mentioned the thinkpad-linux list before I was wonder where to find subscription information. From cph Tue Aug 10 13:28:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA32579 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:27:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28981; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:26:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28842; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-hub2.weeg.uiowa.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28818; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-hub2.weeg.uiowa.edu (128.255.56.22 -> mail-hub2.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:26:02 -0400 Received: from black.weeg.uiowa.edu (11732@black.weeg.uiowa.edu [128.255.56.4]) by mail-hub2.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/blue-mh-1.4) with ESMTP id MAA06480; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:26:00 -0500 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by black.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/blue-client-3.2) id MAA69090; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:26:00 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199908101726.MAA69090@black.weeg.uiowa.edu> Subject: ThinkPad-Linux list To: themeion@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:26:00 -0500 (CDT) Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: esmail@uiowa.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > Someone mentioned the thinkpad-linux list before I was wonder where to > find subscription information. Here is soe info. Essentially I think all you have to do is send a message to Majordomo@bm-soft.com with subscribe linux-thinkpad in the body of your message. Esmail ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Welcome to linux-thinkpad Reply-To: Majordomo@bm-soft.com -- Welcome to the linux-thinkpad mailing list! Please save this message for future reference. Thank you. If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe linux-thinkpad If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: INFO: linux-thinkpad@bm-soft.com This list for users of Linux on IBM Thinkpads. 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Subject: Welcome to linux-thinkpad Reply-To: Majordomo@bm-soft.com ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Tue Aug 10 13:56:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA32755 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:56:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01561; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:53:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01267; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01254; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:53:10 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-277.gate.net [199.227.173.23]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA183450; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:53:20 -0400 Message-ID: <37B066E9.AD294FD@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:52:41 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sylvestre Meininger CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Waking up from hibernation (and additional speculations) References: <37AFF3DF.6B1A@uhb.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: its ONLY GOSSIP..!! nothing more.. the dearth of a new high end machine announcement at this time might be due to intel not shipping cpu's.. it IS august and things are slow and strange right now.. memory prices are strange (some down, some UP, some the same), HDD's are ditto.. (Hitachi drives in thinkpads, no 6.4gig, 4.8gig drives around)... the 600 is a nice machine and a worthy competitor to the 770.. it might be that the 770 will go on with a bigger display and other enhancements the 600 and lesser thinkads can not have or won't be given... the new top end model might just have built in everything and wind up being a true desktop replacement, while the 600 remains the leader as a true laptop... the new bios's on desktop machines give you the optioon to have a machine start up at a given date and time or every day at a certain time, as well as the usual answer on ring and wake on lan and so on.. in fact, if i SNEEZE in my study/office one machine starts to boot up..!! :-) Sylvestre Meininger wrote: > Is there a way to configure a 770ED so that it wakes up from Hibernation > (not from Pause, that's easy) at a given time ? > Do I need special software or drivers in order to do this ? Or is it > just plain impossible ? > > Regarding speculations on soon-to-be-released high-end models, Bill > Morrow's gossip seems to prove me right : having come to the conclusion > that there's nothing a 770 could ever do that a 600 can't, IBM seems to > be about to discontinue the 770 line. > > A good day to you all. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Tue Aug 10 15:12:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA00684 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:12:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07556; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:10:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07241; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07225; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:10:15 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-277.gate.net [199.227.173.23]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA50914; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:10:29 -0400 Message-ID: <37B078FE.CC59188A@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:09:50 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sylvestre Meininger CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Waking up from hibernation (and additional speculations) References: <37AFF3DF.6B1A@uhb.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: AND, FWIW (for now, anyway) IBM just announced a 25gig drive.. yes, 25 Gigs..!!, for notebooks.. and no, i don't have any... :-) Sylvestre Meininger wrote: **SNIP** -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. 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Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Tue Aug 10 15:36:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA00835 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:36:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09832; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:35:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09708; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09691; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.128.1.70 -> ne.mediaone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:35:34 -0400 Received: from Laptop (plumbush.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.150.141]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA07189 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001c01bee367$80f79b40$0200a8c0@Laptop> From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: Does anyone use password protected standby on 770z? Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:35:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Is there anyone on the list who has experience using the password protected standby function (not suspend, but standby) on a 770z or other 770 model? Did it work? Thanks. While I'm here, I just want to say, whether you own the 770 or 600 model, you are the luckiest person in the world, bar none, and have *the best* computer. It reflects well on you. Congratulations. I hope that takes care of that topic just about forever. -- Jeff From cph Tue Aug 10 16:14:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA01089 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:14:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13183; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:11:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12861; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12829; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:11:22 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26740.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.221]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22357; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01ae01bee36c$59d188f0$dd56e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: "Allan Ballard" , Subject: Re: Dock II Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:10:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: >I picked up a Dock II and shelf for my 760CD. >Do the devices that go into the 2 expansion >slots *have* to be scsi? >Is there any reason to use scsi in the Dock? >(besides a little speed increase). >I'd like to add a fast CD drive, and a really >big IDE hard drive.... The Dock II dates back to the PS/2 era -- when IBM was high on SCSI (even the mounting bracket or tray in the half-height bay are PS/2-style). The Dock II comes with a 2-drop SCSI cable. It is originally shipped with a 1-drop IDE cable, but this cable is not shipped installed and hence lost in most cases. Assuming you don't have the IDE cable, the IDE cable is proprietary and you can only buy it from IBM (Parts Dept.) at a cost of $40 + Shipping. It is expensive but a "really big" SCSI hard disk drive would cost much more than $40 when compared to a equivalent-sized IDE drive. Since the IDE cable affords you only one connection, the second device would have to be SCSI. An alternative would be to install a faster CD-ROM in the ThinkPad (I have 760 20X CD-ROMs for auction at eBay). I always thought that the reason why IBM provided a single IDE connection was because it shared the IDE controller in the ThinkPad, but -- if that's the case -- that brings up an interesting question: the 760CD already has 2 IDE devices, can it handle a third one in the Dock II? I have a Dock II with an IDE cable. I also have a cable splitter I had made for the IDE cable. I will try (probably not earlier than this coming weekend) to hook up two IDE devices in the Dock II and see if it works (if someone already KNOWS the answer, please save me the work). Stay tuned. Carlos P.S. I receive my subscription in "Digest" format, so I see postings a bit delayed. From cph Tue Aug 10 16:26:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA01160 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:26:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14683; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:24:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14514; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14470; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236 -> smtp3.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:24:00 -0400 Received: from richard (216-164-222-10.s264.tnt4.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.222.10]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02318; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990810162001.00ad5540@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:23:57 -0400 To: Bill Morrow From: richard Subject: Re: Waking up from hibernation (and additional speculations) Cc: Sylvestre Meininger , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <37B078FE.CC59188A@icanect.net> References: <37AFF3DF.6B1A@uhb.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 03:09 PM 8/10/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >AND, FWIW (for now, anyway) IBM just announced a 25gig drive.. yes, 25 >Gigs..!!, for notebooks.. The 25gb drive is 17mm, the 18gb drive is 12.5mm and the 12gb drive is 9.5mm. The drives are supposed to offer superior shock ratings and devices to perform well at high temperatures. Search the IBM home page for "travelstar" for more detail From cph Tue Aug 10 17:46:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA01677 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:46:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20370; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:44:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20133; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20103; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.1 -> dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:44:37 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA01817 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:44:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908102144.QAA01817@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga4-01.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.193) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001781; Tue Aug 10 16:44:14 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <001c01bee367$80f79b40$0200a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: EZ Serve IBM Nonsense List-Unsubscribe: Recently my 760CD lost sound. I took it back to the IBM authorized repair facility for a look-see. It had kicked out FRU 1610 so the sound card was the leading suspect. (90% chance.) They replaced the sound card, but the sound did not return, and I took the unit home, thinking the problem might be the mainboard (10%) which is too expensive to repair on that unit. I called IBM to find another shop closer to home, but discovered the unit is still under warrenty, and off it went to EZ Serve. Imagine my suprise when EZ Serve left a voice message that the repair would cost $1,054.00 and, if they did not hear from me at once, they would ship it back unrepaired. About 40 calls later, I finally reached the person who had left the repair estimate and asked, "how do you square the cost with the warrenty." He stated that all the screws inside were wrong, except for the ones that were missing, that the voice cable was broken, other stuff messed up, and on and on. I referred him to the receipt attached to the service order detailing the DSP card replacement, my cost, and who did that -- the only people besides IBM ever to go inside the unit. He referred me to escalation (his supervisor) who will call in "12 to 24 hours." Is this bullshit or what. The LAST time I dealt with EZ Serve, about 2 years ago, the modem went in broken, and they replaced the new hard drive with a refurbished one (go figure) instead of repairing the modem. Idiots, the whole lot of them. This is a production machine, I am leaving town Sunday, and DO NOT have time to fool around with a barrel of monkeys. Allan Ballard From cph Tue Aug 10 20:16:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA02358 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:16:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27821; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:14:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27635; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27612; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:14:46 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-224.usc.edu [128.125.223.224]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA02404; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990810170351.02b71090@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:05:13 -0700 To: "Allan Ballard" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: EZ Serve IBM Nonsense In-Reply-To: <199908102144.QAA01817@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> References: <001c01bee367$80f79b40$0200a8c0@Laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:45 PM 8/10/99 -0400, you wrote: >Imagine my suprise when EZ Serve left a voice >message that the repair would cost $1,054.00 and, >if they did not hear from me at once, they would >ship it back unrepaired. >I referred him to the receipt attached to the service >order detailing the DSP card replacement, my cost, >and who did that -- the only people besides IBM ever >to go inside the unit. > >He referred me to escalation (his supervisor) who will >call in "12 to 24 hours." Hang tough. I've been there--know how you feel. But in the end, I was happy to say they did right by me, despite having to jump through a few hoops. Hopefully they'll ultimately do the same for you. - Randy Whittle From cph Tue Aug 10 23:59:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA03538 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:59:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07311; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:57:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07090; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tango.birch.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07074; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tango.birch.net (209.251.184.60 -> birch.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:57:06 -0400 Received: from amlaptop (as1-p19.tfs.net [139.146.210.19]) by tango.birch.net with SMTP id WAA17334 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:57:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006401bee3ad$f5b3c800$13d2928b@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: Subject: Re: Does anyone use password protected standby on 770z? Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:59:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Jeff, I do this all the time. It shows up with a black sceen with only a password prompt visible as soon as I press Fn or open the lid. It waits for it before begining the resume operation. I've got a 770-1AU (9549-1AU). I didn't do anything special. Just set the bios with power on password. FWIW, I have passwords for both Power on and Supervisor (different ones). Nothing to do with windows, I've seen the box for it somewhere in the power config, but I don't use that. Later, Andreas!! :-) PS. Feel free to email me if you want. -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Baker To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 2:40 pm Subject: Does anyone use password protected standby on 770z? >Is there anyone on the list who has experience using the password protected >standby function (not suspend, but standby) on a 770z or other 770 model? >Did it work? Thanks. > >While I'm here, I just want to say, whether you own the 770 or 600 model, >you are the luckiest person in the world, bar none, and have *the best* >computer. It reflects well on you. Congratulations. I hope that takes >care of that topic just about forever. > > -- Jeff > From cph Wed Aug 11 00:15:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA03597 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:15:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08405; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:14:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08186; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08173; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:14:04 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-135.gate.net [199.227.20.198]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA180254; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:14:17 -0400 Message-ID: <37B0F873.AEA31DF@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:13:39 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: Allan Ballard , TP List Subject: Re: EZ Serve IBM Nonsense References: <001c01bee367$80f79b40$0200a8c0@Laptop> <4.1.19990810170351.02b71090@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: bear in mind, EZ serve is NOT ibm, it is a private company, dedicated to making a profit.. when IBM pays the bill, my guess is that its a flat rate, when you pay the bill, you can see what the charges wind up being.. they earn more on you than an IBM warranty claim.. this is only my GUESS based upon the changes in ez serve over the years.. Still, from what i hear about other warranty service on toshibaa, et al., ibm is still the best.. (even though it took me to get their customer to be a happy customer) Randal Whittle wrote: > At 05:45 PM 8/10/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Imagine my suprise when EZ Serve left a voice > >message that the repair would cost $1,054.00 and, > >if they did not hear from me at once, they would > >ship it back unrepaired. > > >I referred him to the receipt attached to the service > >order detailing the DSP card replacement, my cost, > >and who did that -- the only people besides IBM ever > >to go inside the unit. > > > >He referred me to escalation (his supervisor) who will > >call in "12 to 24 hours." > > Hang tough. I've been there--know how you feel. But in the end, I was > happy to say they did right by me, despite having to jump through a few > hoops. Hopefully they'll ultimately do the same for you. > > - Randy Whittle -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Wed Aug 11 00:27:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA03661 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:27:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09178; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:24:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09006; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08993; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.1 -> dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:24:34 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA20926; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:23:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908110423.XAA20926@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga4-01.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.193) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020903; Tue Aug 10 23:23:39 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "TP List" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <37B0F873.AEA31DF@icanect.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: EZ Serve IBM Nonsense List-Unsubscribe: IF a 1054$ charge on a warenty repair is the best, god help us. On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:13:39 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >bear in mind, EZ serve is NOT ibm, it is a private company, dedicated to making a >profit.. >when IBM pays the bill, my guess is that its a flat rate, when you pay the bill, >you can see what the charges wind up being.. they earn more on you than an IBM >warranty claim.. >this is only my GUESS based upon the changes in ez serve over the years.. > >Still, from what i hear about other warranty service on toshibaa, et al., ibm is >still the best.. >(even though it took me to get their customer to be a happy customer) > >Randal Whittle wrote: > >> At 05:45 PM 8/10/99 -0400, you wrote: >> >Imagine my suprise when EZ Serve left a voice >> >message that the repair would cost $1,054.00 and, >> >if they did not hear from me at once, they would >> >ship it back unrepaired. >> >> >I referred him to the receipt attached to the service >> >order detailing the DSP card replacement, my cost, >> >and who did that -- the only people besides IBM ever >> >to go inside the unit. >> > >> >He referred me to escalation (his supervisor) who will >> >call in "12 to 24 hours." >> >> Hang tough. I've been there--know how you feel. But in the end, I was >> happy to say they did right by me, despite having to jump through a few >> hoops. Hopefully they'll ultimately do the same for you. >> >> - Randy Whittle > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done >on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > From cph Wed Aug 11 01:30:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA03919 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:30:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11633; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:28:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11403; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11390; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (195.174.27.3 -> home.egenet.com.tr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:28:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (turgut@localhost) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA22641; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:30:26 +0400 (EET DST) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:30:26 +0400 (EET DST) From: Turgut Kalfaoglu To: richard cc: Bill Morrow , Sylvestre Meininger , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Waking up from hibernation (and additional speculations) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990810162001.00ad5540@pop.rcn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, richard wrote: > The 25gb drive is 17mm, the 18gb drive is 12.5mm and the 12gb drive is Anyone have pricing information on the 18GB drive? Thanks, -turgut ----- Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Wed Aug 11 12:46:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA06661 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:46:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19649; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:36:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19208; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19100; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (129.97.140.200 -> plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:35:26 -0400 Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (migod@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09505 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908111634.MAA09505@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New Big disk drives announced Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:34:13 -0400 From: "Michael W. Godfrey" List-Unsubscribe: IBM has announced three big new drives: 25G (770 series) 18G (600 series) 12G (ultra portables) Details at http://www.ibm.com/news/1999/08/101.phtml So ... how long after the announcement is pricing information available? How long until they start shipping? From cph Wed Aug 11 12:52:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA06705 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:51:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20370; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:45:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20172; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20156; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (165.87.194.252 -> out1.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:45:43 -0400 Received: from FNORD770X (slip-32-101-211-211.dc.us.ibm.net [32.101.211.211]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA18808 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:45:39 GMT From: "Gregory Harris" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: New Big disk drives announced Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:45:33 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199908111634.MAA09505@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: The following was a reply to my question to IBM Storage this morning... :) This drive will be in full production around the first of the year. Michael Dominguez IBM Hard Disk Drive Technical Support Center Rochester, MN 55901 Voice: 888.426.5214 Fax: 507.253.3748 e-mail: drive@us.ibm.com nouser@ssdweb01.storage.ibm.com on 08/11/99 07:41:27 AM To: undisclosed-recipients:; cc: Subject: 25GS Travelstar -----Original Message----- From: Michael W. Godfrey [mailto:migod@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 12:34 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New Big disk drives announced IBM has announced three big new drives: 25G (770 series) 18G (600 series) 12G (ultra portables) Details at http://www.ibm.com/news/1999/08/101.phtml So ... how long after the announcement is pricing information available? How long until they start shipping? From cph Wed Aug 11 12:55:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA06740 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:55:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21313; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:53:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21013; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20997; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:53:42 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-049.usc.edu [128.125.223.49]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA07120; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:53:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990811094713.02c2a240@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:48:49 -0700 To: "Michael W. Godfrey" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: New Big disk drives announced In-Reply-To: <199908111634.MAA09505@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:34 PM 08/11/1999 -0400, you wrote: > >IBM has announced three big new drives: > 25G (770 series) > 18G (600 series) > 12G (ultra portables) > >Details at http://www.ibm.com/news/1999/08/101.phtml > >So ... how long after the announcement is pricing information available? >How long until they start shipping? According to the URL above, Dell is shipping these today. - Randy Whittle From cph Wed Aug 11 13:08:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA06837 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:08:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22700; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:05:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22458; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22430; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.110 -> pilot010.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:05:11 -0400 Received: from andres (port18.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.19]) by pilot010.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA25510 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:05:05 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990811130518.00a5bd70@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:05:18 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Big New Disks--which can go into i Series units? In-Reply-To: <199908111634.MAA09505@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: This is probably a Bill question. Given the data below, does anyone know what size drive I could stuff into a TP i series 1451, and 1472? Thanks, STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 12:34 PM 8/11/99 -0400, you wrote: > >IBM has announced three big new drives: > 25G (770 series) > 18G (600 series) > 12G (ultra portables) > >Details at http://www.ibm.com/news/1999/08/101.phtml > >So ... how long after the announcement is pricing information available? >How long until they start shipping? From cph Wed Aug 11 13:23:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA06927 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:23:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23827; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:18:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23532; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23494; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:18:01 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-189.islandnet.com [139.142.112.189] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m11Ec0i-0006doC for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:17:56 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Does anyone use password protected standby on 770z? Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:31:07 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <006401bee3ad$f5b3c800$13d2928b@amlaptop> In-Reply-To: <006401bee3ad$f5b3c800$13d2928b@amlaptop> Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I don't know if it is still the case, but it used to be that these passwords were so secure that even IBM couldn't recover data. So if your data is important to somebody else, such as your employer or family, be sure that either the data is frequently backed up (unprotected) or leave copies of any passwords in a safe place, such as a safety deposit box. Even if the data isn't that important, a copy of the password will allow somebody else to use the computer in case you are hit by a bus. Otherwise, it might be good only for certain spare parts. :I've got a 770-1AU (9549-1AU). I didn't do anything special. Just set the :bios with power on password. FWIW, I have passwords for both Power on and :Supervisor (different ones). Nothing to do with windows, -- cheers Jonathan From cph Wed Aug 11 13:36:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07033 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:36:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25014; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:30:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24745; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24597; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (129.97.140.200 -> plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:29:10 -0400 Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (migod@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11654; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908111728.NAA11654@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: Randal Whittle , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New Big disk drives announced In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:48:49 PDT." <4.1.19990811094713.02c2a240@rcf.usc.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:28:08 -0400 From: "Michael W. Godfrey" List-Unsubscribe: Dell will sell you a laptop with the 25G drive. They will not sell you the drive alone, nor will they sell the 18G or 12G drives in any way. This comes from spending over an hour talking to them. So far, no one is selling these drives as far as I can tell. Previously, Randal Whittle wrote: > At 12:34 PM 08/11/1999 -0400, you wrote: > > > >IBM has announced three big new drives: > > 25G (770 series) > > 18G (600 series) > > 12G (ultra portables) > > > >Details at http://www.ibm.com/news/1999/08/101.phtml > > > >So ... how long after the announcement is pricing information available? > >How long until they start shipping? > > According to the URL above, Dell is shipping these today. > > - Randy Whittle From cph Wed Aug 11 14:47:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA07523 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:47:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29804; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:42:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29614; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29588; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:42:35 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-174.gate.net [199.227.20.237]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA155034; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:42:48 -0400 Message-ID: <37B1C401.D43F333@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:42:09 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael W. Godfrey" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New Big disk drives announced References: <199908111634.MAA09505@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the OEM's are sucking up all the production for now, then later i'll get some.. timing is unknown, but in the past it has been from almost a year to only a couple of months.. "Michael W. Godfrey" wrote: > IBM has announced three big new drives: > 25G (770 series) > 18G (600 series) > 12G (ultra portables) > > Details at http://www.ibm.com/news/1999/08/101.phtml > > So ... how long after the announcement is pricing information available? > How long until they start shipping? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Wed Aug 11 15:24:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA07758 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:24:04 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02754; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:17:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02583; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02568; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (140.142.78.5 -> jason04.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:17:28 -0400 Received: from dante08.u.washington.edu (ranger5@dante08.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.10]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id MAA19470 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:17:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (ranger5@localhost) by dante08.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id MAA25110 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:17:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:17:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Kokaly" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Buy my 560 batteries from Microwarehouse Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi everyone, I've decided to sell my 560X laptop with the hopes of using the proceeds together with some saved up money to buy a TP600. Anyways, I bought a couple of batteries from MW for $25 after the rebate. I thought it would be a better thing to see if anyone here wanted to buy them from me for the cost of $25 each + cost of MW shipping + cost of shipping them to you. It should be around $32 each I imagine. I'm not sure if they are still being sold by MW for $25? Since I got the tip on them originally on the list, I thought I should return them back to the list in a manner of speaking. If no one is interested, I'll just sell them on ebay. Of course if my TP 560x doesn't sell, I'll be keeping them. Oh yeah, the batteries haven't been used yet. They haven't been taken out of the box yet. I also have another battery I had not used yet, but I paid $100 for it from PCZone. That I'm going to sell to the notebook buyer or put up for bid at ebay. BTW, has anyone recieved their rebate yet? I imagine it will take about another month. Email me if interested, Matt From cph Wed Aug 11 16:36:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA08387 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:36:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08621; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:34:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08383; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08370; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.113 -> pilot013.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:34:49 -0400 Received: from andres (pm531-33.dialip.mich.net [35.9.49.35]) by pilot013.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA42944 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:34:45 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990811163458.00a51bd0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:34:58 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Does anyone use password protected standby on 770z? In-Reply-To: References: <006401bee3ad$f5b3c800$13d2928b@amlaptop> <006401bee3ad$f5b3c800$13d2928b@amlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Perhaps I am missing something, but no matter how good the password system is, it can be gotten around. IBM might not be able to crack the pw if a good algorithm is used, but they could erase it. And besides that, the password protect doesn't encrypt data on the disk, does it? What would prevent someone from taking the disk out of that 770 and putting into some other unit? STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 09:31 AM 8/11/99 -0800, Jonathan Berry wrote: >I don't know if it is still the case, but it used to be that >these passwords were so secure that even IBM couldn't recover >data. > >So if your data is important to somebody else, such as your >employer or family, be sure that either the data is frequently backed >up (unprotected) or leave copies of any passwords in a safe >place, such as a safety deposit box. Even if the data isn't >that important, a copy of the password will allow somebody else >to use the computer in case you are hit by a bus. Otherwise, >it might be good only for certain spare parts. > > >:I've got a 770-1AU (9549-1AU). I didn't do anything special. Just set the >:bios with power on password. FWIW, I have passwords for both Power on and >:Supervisor (different ones). Nothing to do with windows, >-- >cheers >Jonathan > From cph Wed Aug 11 19:03:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA09338 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:03:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17403; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:00:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17228; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17210; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (207.115.58.198 -> pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:00:06 -0400 Received: from defiant (TXARB102-19.splitrock.net [209.253.58.19]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA103840 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:00:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001201bee44d$24abb4c0$133afdd1@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles McDaniel" From: "Charles McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Fw: Dock II Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:59:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- From: Charles McDaniel To: Carlos de la Puente Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 2:12 AM Subject: Re: Dock II >Hey Carlos >Could you use a harddrive controller card the has it's own bios to do >this..?? >I have a promise IDE H.D. card that has it's own BIOS..sort of like a scsi >card for IDE..just a thought >>Charles McDaniel > >-----Original Message----- >From: Carlos de la Puente >To: Allan Ballard ; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > >Date: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 3:22 PM >Subject: Re: Dock II > > >>>I picked up a Dock II and shelf for my 760CD. >>>Do the devices that go into the 2 expansion >>>slots *have* to be scsi? >>>Is there any reason to use scsi in the Dock? >>>(besides a little speed increase). >>>I'd like to add a fast CD drive, and a really >>>big IDE hard drive.... >> >>The Dock II dates back to the PS/2 era -- when IBM was high on SCSI (even >>the mounting bracket or tray in the half-height bay are PS/2-style). The >>Dock II comes with a 2-drop SCSI cable. It is originally shipped with a >>1-drop IDE cable, but this cable is not shipped installed and hence lost in >>most cases. >> >>Assuming you don't have the IDE cable, the IDE cable is proprietary and you >>can only buy it from IBM (Parts Dept.) at a cost of $40 + Shipping. It is >>expensive but a "really big" SCSI hard disk drive would cost much more than >>$40 when compared to a equivalent-sized IDE drive. >> >>Since the IDE cable affords you only one connection, the second device >would >>have to be SCSI. An alternative would be to install a faster CD-ROM in the >>ThinkPad (I have 760 20X CD-ROMs for auction at eBay). >> >>I always thought that the reason why IBM provided a single IDE connection >>was because it shared the IDE controller in the ThinkPad, but -- if that's >>the case -- that brings up an interesting question: the 760CD already has 2 >>IDE devices, can it handle a third one in the Dock II? >> >>I have a Dock II with an IDE cable. I also have a cable splitter I had made >>for the IDE cable. I will try (probably not earlier than this coming >>weekend) to hook up two IDE devices in the Dock II and see if it works (if >>someone already KNOWS the answer, please save me the work). >> >>Stay tuned. >> >>Carlos >> >>P.S. I receive my subscription in "Digest" format, so I see postings a bit >>delayed. >> >> >> > From cph Wed Aug 11 19:40:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA09506 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:40:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19507; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:38:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19226; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a-basin.wwsi.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19205; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a-basin.wwsi.com (199.239.18.88) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:38:43 -0400 Received: from steve (needToKnowBasis.leopard.com [199.239.18.72] (may be forged)) by a-basin.wwsi.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA29399; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:36:32 -0600 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990811173734.00978100@a-basin.wwsi.com> X-Sender: ssh@a-basin.wwsi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:38:33 -0600 To: "STeve Andre'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: Does anyone use password protected standby on 770z? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990811163458.00a51bd0@pilot.msu.edu> References: <006401bee3ad$f5b3c800$13d2928b@amlaptop> <006401bee3ad$f5b3c800$13d2928b@amlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 04:34 PM 8/11/99 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >Perhaps I am missing something, but no matter how good the password >system is, it can be gotten around. IBM might not be able to crack >the pw if a good algorithm is used, but they could erase it. > >And besides that, the password protect doesn't encrypt data on the disk, >does it? What would prevent someone from taking the disk out of that >770 and putting into some other unit? This has been discussed multiple times on this list, and, to date, NO ONE has been able to get into a machine with the hardware passwords set or get to data on the hard drive if the hard drive password is set. This includes removing the drive and trying to access it, doing all kinds of things to the motherboard, and so on. Frankly, I believe that it cannot be done. ssh From cph Wed Aug 11 20:39:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA09758 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:39:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22809; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:36:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22450; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22435; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malasada.lava.net (199.222.42.2 -> malasada.lava.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:36:37 -0400 Received: from lava.net(anunu089.lava.net[207.26.192.120]) (4086 bytes) by malasada.lava.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:36:31 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Jun-23) Message-ID: <37B216C1.3A43DAD0@lava.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:35:13 -1000 From: Keith Wong X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Fw: Dock II where to get one? References: <001201bee44d$24abb4c0$133afdd1@defiant> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: --Does anyone know where I could get a Dock II without paying an arm and a leg for one? I'd like to use it for my 701c, but everyone that sells one is selling the dock II for about $300 and the adapter for the 701c for another $125. While we're on the subject of getting parts and stuff, does anyone know of or is selling parts for the 701c? Mine is missing a cover for the floppy port, and for the PCMCIA ports. The previous owner really did a number on this thing, even one of the latches has been decapitated! =( Other than little cosmetic things, the machine is fun, and I get to play with OS2/Warp for the first time. Sorry I've been strictly playing with Microsoft OS's. Not a matter of loyalty, just convenience. I am getting in Linux and Unix OS's, but it's been a little painful. Okay I'll stop babbling. Thanks in advance for your help. --Keith Wong Honolulu, Hawaii Charles McDaniel wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles McDaniel > To: Carlos de la Puente > Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 2:12 AM > Subject: Re: Dock II > > >Hey Carlos > >Could you use a harddrive controller card the has it's own bios to do > >this..?? > >I have a promise IDE H.D. card that has it's own BIOS..sort of like a scsi > >card for IDE..just a thought > >>Charles McDaniel > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Carlos de la Puente > >To: Allan Ballard ; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > > > >Date: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 3:22 PM > >Subject: Re: Dock II > > > > > >>>I picked up a Dock II and shelf for my 760CD. > >>>Do the devices that go into the 2 expansion > >>>slots *have* to be scsi? > >>>Is there any reason to use scsi in the Dock? > >>>(besides a little speed increase). > >>>I'd like to add a fast CD drive, and a really > >>>big IDE hard drive.... > >> > >>The Dock II dates back to the PS/2 era -- when IBM was high on SCSI (even > >>the mounting bracket or tray in the half-height bay are PS/2-style). The > >>Dock II comes with a 2-drop SCSI cable. It is originally shipped with a > >>1-drop IDE cable, but this cable is not shipped installed and hence lost > in > >>most cases. > >> > >>Assuming you don't have the IDE cable, the IDE cable is proprietary and > you > >>can only buy it from IBM (Parts Dept.) at a cost of $40 + Shipping. It is > >>expensive but a "really big" SCSI hard disk drive would cost much more > than > >>$40 when compared to a equivalent-sized IDE drive. > >> > >>Since the IDE cable affords you only one connection, the second device > >would > >>have to be SCSI. An alternative would be to install a faster CD-ROM in the > >>ThinkPad (I have 760 20X CD-ROMs for auction at eBay). > >> > >>I always thought that the reason why IBM provided a single IDE connection > >>was because it shared the IDE controller in the ThinkPad, but -- if that's > >>the case -- that brings up an interesting question: the 760CD already has > 2 > >>IDE devices, can it handle a third one in the Dock II? > >> > >>I have a Dock II with an IDE cable. I also have a cable splitter I had > made > >>for the IDE cable. I will try (probably not earlier than this coming > >>weekend) to hook up two IDE devices in the Dock II and see if it works (if > >>someone already KNOWS the answer, please save me the work). > >> > >>Stay tuned. > >> > >>Carlos > >> > >>P.S. I receive my subscription in "Digest" format, so I see postings a bit > >>delayed. > >> > >> > >> > > From cph Wed Aug 11 21:11:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA09910 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:11:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24611; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:09:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24277; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24264; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:09:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:09:08 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a236.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.236]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA04995 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908120109.VAA04995@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a236.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.236] 209.198.80.236 Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:56:08 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990811163458.00a51bd0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Does anyone use password protected standby on 770z? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: I>Perhaps I am missing something, but no matter how good the password >system is, it can be gotten around. IBM might not be able to crack the >pw if a good algorithm is used, but they could erase it. >And besides that, the password protect doesn't encrypt data on the disk, >does it? What would prevent someone from taking the disk out of that 770 >and putting into some other unit? I'm trying to remember, but I think its written to an eprom on the drive, and it can't be bypassed without changing the drive electronics -- and I'm not sure, but I think its written somewhere else too so changing the electronics won't help either, unless passwords match. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph Wed Aug 11 21:24:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA09976 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:24:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25622; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:22:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25270; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25257; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.7 -> dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:22:42 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA10116; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:22:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908120122.UAA10116@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga13-45.ix.netcom.com(207.95.119.45) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma010035; Wed Aug 11 20:21:41 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Keith Wong" Cc: "Thinkpad" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <37B216C1.3A43DAD0@lava.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fw: Dock II where to get one? List-Unsubscribe: Denis Hall may be able to help. That's where I got mine. Let him know I referred you. On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:35:13 -1000, Keith Wong wrote: >--Does anyone know where I could get a Dock II without paying an arm and a leg >for one? I'd like to use it for my 701c, but everyone that sells one is selling >the dock II for about $300 and the adapter for the 701c for another $125. > >While we're on the subject of getting parts and stuff, does anyone know of or is >selling parts for the 701c? Mine is missing a cover for the floppy port, and >for the PCMCIA ports. The previous owner really did a number on this thing, >even one of the latches has been decapitated! =( Other than little cosmetic >things, the machine is fun, and I get to play with OS2/Warp for the first time. >Sorry I've been strictly playing with Microsoft OS's. Not a matter of loyalty, >just convenience. I am getting in Linux and Unix OS's, but it's been a little >painful. Okay I'll stop babbling. Thanks in advance for your help. > > --Keith Wong > Honolulu, Hawaii > > >Charles McDaniel wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Charles McDaniel >> To: Carlos de la Puente >> Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 2:12 AM >> Subject: Re: Dock II >> >> >Hey Carlos >> >Could you use a harddrive controller card the has it's own bios to do >> >this..?? >> >I have a promise IDE H.D. card that has it's own BIOS..sort of like a scsi >> >card for IDE..just a thought >> >>Charles McDaniel >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Carlos de la Puente >> >To: Allan Ballard ; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >> > >> >Date: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 3:22 PM >> >Subject: Re: Dock II >> > >> > >> >>>I picked up a Dock II and shelf for my 760CD. >> >>>Do the devices that go into the 2 expansion >> >>>slots *have* to be scsi? >> >>>Is there any reason to use scsi in the Dock? >> >>>(besides a little speed increase). >> >>>I'd like to add a fast CD drive, and a really >> >>>big IDE hard drive.... >> >> >> >>The Dock II dates back to the PS/2 era -- when IBM was high on SCSI (even >> >>the mounting bracket or tray in the half-height bay are PS/2-style). The >> >>Dock II comes with a 2-drop SCSI cable. It is originally shipped with a >> >>1-drop IDE cable, but this cable is not shipped installed and hence lost >> in >> >>most cases. >> >> >> >>Assuming you don't have the IDE cable, the IDE cable is proprietary and >> you >> >>can only buy it from IBM (Parts Dept.) at a cost of $40 + Shipping. It is >> >>expensive but a "really big" SCSI hard disk drive would cost much more >> than >> >>$40 when compared to a equivalent-sized IDE drive. >> >> >> >>Since the IDE cable affords you only one connection, the second device >> >would >> >>have to be SCSI. An alternative would be to install a faster CD-ROM in the >> >>ThinkPad (I have 760 20X CD-ROMs for auction at eBay). >> >> >> >>I always thought that the reason why IBM provided a single IDE connection >> >>was because it shared the IDE controller in the ThinkPad, but -- if that's >> >>the case -- that brings up an interesting question: the 760CD already has >> 2 >> >>IDE devices, can it handle a third one in the Dock II? >> >> >> >>I have a Dock II with an IDE cable. I also have a cable splitter I had >> made >> >>for the IDE cable. I will try (probably not earlier than this coming >> >>weekend) to hook up two IDE devices in the Dock II and see if it works (if >> >>someone already KNOWS the answer, please save me the work). >> >> >> >>Stay tuned. >> >> >> >>Carlos >> >> >> >>P.S. I receive my subscription in "Digest" format, so I see postings a bit >> >>delayed. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > From cph Thu Aug 12 10:47:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA12557 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:47:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03421; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:44:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03054; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03030; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:44:30 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-213.usc.edu [128.125.223.213]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id HAA08373 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990812073926.02bd2120@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:40:08 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: ThinkPad 240 Reviewed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,411208,00.html?chkpt=pcwh199 908112 PC Week Labs is underwhelmed. - Randy Whittle From cph Thu Aug 12 13:07:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA13234 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:07:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13679; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:55:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12677; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12664; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.128.1.70 -> ne.mediaone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:55:36 -0400 Received: from Laptop (plumbush.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.150.141]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA22282 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002601bee4e3$7b2230e0$0200a8c0@Laptop> From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: References: Subject: Re: Does anyone use password protected standby on 770z? Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:55:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Alas, a discussion of passwords, but no specific answer whether anyone uses the Standby password function (Standby as opposed to Suspend) which can be set in the Configuration menu (Power>Advanced). I have not had any success using it, and wondered whether anyone else has it operating successfully. Thanks -- Jeff From cph Thu Aug 12 13:08:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA13250 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:08:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13670; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:59:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12987; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12974; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (140.142.76.8 -> jason02.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:59:50 -0400 Received: from dante22.u.washington.edu (ranger5@dante22.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.72]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id JAA13522 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:59:47 -0700 Received: from localhost (ranger5@localhost) by dante22.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id JAA46590 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:59:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:59:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Kokaly" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: My 560X batteries - sold Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Alright, I thank everyone for responding, especially so quickly. The two people who responded first and have first shot at the batteries: See-Kit Lam John Callahan If one of them doesn't want it, the next person in the queue is: Warren Tan Wing Wah I thank everyone else who responded. Unfortunately I only ordered two. I'll keep your e-mails temporarily in case the above people do not wish to buy the batteries. Matthew T Kokaly From cph Thu Aug 12 13:21:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA13337 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:21:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14903; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:14:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14621; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newton.uucp (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14607; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newton.uucp (206.16.42.131 -> async-lgcy-09-131.lgcy.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:13:56 -0400 Received: (from perfekt@localhost) by newton.uucp (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA03561; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:10:13 -0600 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <37B216C1.3A43DAD0@lava.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:10:13 -0600 (MDT) Reply-To: Aron Hsiao Sender: newton!perfekt@mail.lgcy.com From: Aron Hsiao To: Keith Wong Subject: Re: Fw: Dock II where to get one? Cc: Thinkpad List-Unsubscribe: On 12-Aug-99 Keith Wong wrote: > --Does anyone know where I could get a Dock II without paying an arm and > a leg > for one? I'd like to use it for my 701c, but everyone that sells one is > selling > the dock II for about $300 and the adapter for the 701c for another > $125. > > While we're on the subject of getting parts and stuff, does anyone know > of or is > selling parts for the 701c? Mine is missing a cover for the floppy > port, and > for the PCMCIA ports. The previous owner really did a number on this > thing, > even one of the latches has been decapitated! =( Other than little > cosmetic > things, the machine is fun, and I get to play with OS2/Warp for the > first time. > Sorry I've been strictly playing with Microsoft OS's. Not a matter of > loyalty, > just convenience. I am getting in Linux and Unix OS's, but it's been a > little > painful. Okay I'll stop babbling. Thanks in advance for your help. Try auction sites like Amazon.com or Ebay.com; I got mine that way for just over $50, and that included shipping and a set of keys. Works great with Linux ... -Aron -- ### Aron Hsiao, About.com guide to Linux ### ---------------------------------------------------------------- ### L I N U X : The choice of a GNU generation! From cph Thu Aug 12 14:32:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA13843 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:32:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20172; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:29:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19748; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19716; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:29:13 -0400 Received: from heiby.pr.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id NAA09022 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:29:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:03:40 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <2460.990812@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: Waking up from hibernation (and additional speculations) In-reply-To: <37B078FE.CC59188A@icanect.net> References: <37B078FE.CC59188A@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday, August 10, 1999, 2:09:50 PM, Bill Morrow wrote: BM> IBM just announced a 25gig drive Will this 25G drive work in the 600 series, or are those of us with 770 systems the only ones with fairly current high-end TPs who will be able to use them? Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN7LwWG8pw+2/9pUJEQKBbwCgj1xXQE3wVU66HAaU1vn/uuSoJKYAoOyB ArZFjeqZl9GDsDATs/lwxel3 =YzgN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Thu Aug 12 15:18:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14181 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:18:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23042; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:15:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22767; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22725; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (128.118.141.35 -> f04s07.cac.psu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:15:41 -0400 Received: from 253137 (253137.hbg.psu.edu [146.186.253.137]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA144548 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:15:37 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990812150311.00934a90@mail.psu.edu> X-Sender: rfm@mail.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:15:36 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Robert F. Munzenrider" Subject: Volunteer TP701 for upgrade Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I've been out of town so I haven't responded to the request for volunteering a TP701 upgrade. Is it too late? I have a TP701, 486/75, 40 megs of memory. System has a 4-meg hard drive. My Norton SI (Norton Systems Works 1.0) is @ 6.7 running off external power (around a 4.0 running off battery. I posted that rambling message early last week, in response to someone's query (Wong???) about the merits/issues of upgrading a 701. In that message, I made reference to the graphic file ( a map with overlays that took it seemed like 2 minutes or so to load & display in a PowerPoint97. Given the intensely graphical nature of many Win95/97/2000 OS's and apps, I think this map file (before/after) could be an excellent standard against which to assess impact of CPU upgrade in a 701. I can do measurements on my stopwatch; I would gladly share the map file (but not my stopwatch) with others to obtain comparative benchmark data. Bob Munzenrider Penn State Harrisburg From cph Thu Aug 12 18:12:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA15089 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:12:07 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03144; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:09:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02891; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02760; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:08:10 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-38.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.38]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA04223 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990812180856.010e1370@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:08:56 -0700 To: Thinkpad From: Mark Bell Subject: Downloadable manuals (.PDF format?) In-Reply-To: References: <37B216C1.3A43DAD0@lava.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I need to find two user manuals for: 954972U (770x) 264545u (600) What is the link to download these in printable format from IBM? Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Aug 12 19:33:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA15465 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:33:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07227; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:28:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06971; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06957; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (207.115.59.211 -> pimout3-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:28:25 -0400 Received: from defiant (TXARB102-08.splitrock.net [209.253.58.8]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA105878 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:28:22 -0400 Message-ID: <001501bee51a$017afba0$083afdd1@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles McDaniel" From: "Charles McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Fw: Fw: Dock II Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:25:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- From: Charles McDaniel To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 7:49 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Dock II >try Carlos de la Puente on this list that's where I got mine from.. >he get the digest version try e-mailing him direct..I don't have the e-mail >addy handy or I would give it to you >Charles McDaniel >-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Markowitz >To: Charles McDaniel >Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 6:34 PM >Subject: Re: Fw: Dock II > > >>Try it! >> >>Charles McDaniel wrote: >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Charles McDaniel >>> To: Carlos de la Puente >>> Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 2:12 AM >>> Subject: Re: Dock II >>> >>> >Hey Carlos >>> >Could you use a harddrive controller card the has it's own bios to do >>> >this..?? >>> >I have a promise IDE H.D. card that has it's own BIOS..sort of like a >scsi >>> >card for IDE..just a thought >>> >>Charles McDaniel >>> > >>> >-----Original Message----- >>> >From: Carlos de la Puente >>> >To: Allan Ballard ; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >>> > >>> >Date: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 3:22 PM >>> >Subject: Re: Dock II >>> > >>> > >>> >>>I picked up a Dock II and shelf for my 760CD. >>> >>>Do the devices that go into the 2 expansion >>> >>>slots *have* to be scsi? >>> >>>Is there any reason to use scsi in the Dock? >>> >>>(besides a little speed increase). >>> >>>I'd like to add a fast CD drive, and a really >>> >>>big IDE hard drive.... >>> >> >>> >>The Dock II dates back to the PS/2 era -- when IBM was high on SCSI >(even >>> >>the mounting bracket or tray in the half-height bay are PS/2-style). >The >>> >>Dock II comes with a 2-drop SCSI cable. It is originally shipped with a >>> >>1-drop IDE cable, but this cable is not shipped installed and hence >lost >>> in >>> >>most cases. >>> >> >>> >>Assuming you don't have the IDE cable, the IDE cable is proprietary and >>> you >>> >>can only buy it from IBM (Parts Dept.) at a cost of $40 + Shipping. It >is >>> >>expensive but a "really big" SCSI hard disk drive would cost much more >>> than >>> >>$40 when compared to a equivalent-sized IDE drive. >>> >> >>> >>Since the IDE cable affords you only one connection, the second device >>> >would >>> >>have to be SCSI. An alternative would be to install a faster CD-ROM in >the >>> >>ThinkPad (I have 760 20X CD-ROMs for auction at eBay). >>> >> >>> >>I always thought that the reason why IBM provided a single IDE >connection >>> >>was because it shared the IDE controller in the ThinkPad, but -- if >that's >>> >>the case -- that brings up an interesting question: the 760CD already >has >>> 2 >>> >>IDE devices, can it handle a third one in the Dock II? >>> >> >>> >>I have a Dock II with an IDE cable. I also have a cable splitter I had >>> made >>> >>for the IDE cable. I will try (probably not earlier than this coming >>> >>weekend) to hook up two IDE devices in the Dock II and see if it works >(if >>> >>someone already KNOWS the answer, please save me the work). >>> >> >>> >>Stay tuned. >>> >> >>> >>Carlos >>> >> >>> >>P.S. I receive my subscription in "Digest" format, so I see postings a >bit >>> >>delayed. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > > From cph Thu Aug 12 22:14:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA16038 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:14:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14643; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:13:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14421; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14394; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.16 -> dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:13:21 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA13051 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:13:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908130213.VAA13051@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga7-61.ix.netcom.com(207.222.235.189) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013042; Thu Aug 12 21:13:13 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Thinkpad" Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990812180856.010e1370@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: EZ Serve List-Unsubscribe: Finally, my TP760CD is returned. It appears OK, so far. Some screws were replaced, along with the I/F cable (whatever that is), a lower spacer, lower case and the DSP card was reseated. The unit was thoroughly cleaned. Now, the sound is back. I don't think I will take the unit to the same IBM authorized repair shop, again. IBM is working out the $1054.00 charge with that shop. Uncounted calls to EZ Serve later, (182 minutes on a cell phone) I am a HAPPY camper. Allan Ballard From cph Fri Aug 13 02:35:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA16845 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:35:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23973; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:32:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23758; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23742; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.52 -> smtp13.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:32:49 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26740.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.221]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA17195; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <104201bee555$82e291e0$dd56e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: "Keith Wong" Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: Fw: Dock II where to get one? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:31:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: >--Does anyone know where I could get a Dock II without paying an arm and a leg >for one? I'd like to use it for my 701c, but everyone that sells one is selling >the dock II for about $300 and the adapter for the 701c for another $125. I always have auctions at eBay for Dock II's. Except for the fact that they are missing the IDE cable, my units are in excellent condition and sell for anywhere between $20 and $50 ($35 if off auction). I don't have any more 701 kits (which I used to sell at ebay for $25 packaged with a Dock II), but you can get these kits at eBay for $35.00. To see my auctions, go to http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/myeyesaintblue/ and tell him I sent you :) From cph Fri Aug 13 03:18:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA16948 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:18:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26487; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:08:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26321; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26203; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.52 -> smtp13.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:08:29 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26740.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.221]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA18367; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <106701bee55a$7fdab6d0$dd56e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: "Charles McDaniel" , "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: Dock II Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:07:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: >>Hey Carlos >>Could you use a harddrive controller card the has it's own bios to do >>this..?? >>I have a promise IDE H.D. card that has it's own BIOS..sort of like a scsi >>card for IDE..just a thought >>>Charles McDaniel Charles, I have the same (just checked). It would have been a neat test if it wasn't because it is a PCI card. From cph Fri Aug 13 03:19:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA16952 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:19:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27857; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:17:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27433; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27420; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:17:15 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26740.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.221]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA04227; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002801bee55b$b7e8e230$dd56e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: "Keith Wong" Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: Fw: Dock II where to get one? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:16:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: >While we're on the subject of getting parts and stuff, does anyone know of or is >selling parts for the 701c? Mine is missing a cover for the floppy port, and Try www.acsparts.com They seem to strip machines and sell them for parts. From cph Fri Aug 13 03:21:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA16959 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:21:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28502; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:19:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27959; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27751; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:18:25 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26740.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.221]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA04243 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002d01bee55b$ded26e70$dd56e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: Fw: Dock II where to get one? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:17:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: >Denis Hall may be able to help. >That's where I got mine. Let him know I referred >you. Gee, I am disappointed... no one has recommended me :( From cph Fri Aug 13 08:48:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA17757 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:48:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16679; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:46:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16330; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16317; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (207.115.59.211 -> pimout3-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:46:00 -0400 Received: from defiant (TXARB102-03.splitrock.net [209.253.58.3]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA2828660; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:45:57 -0400 Message-ID: <002401bee589$359fd4e0$033afdd1@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles McDaniel" From: "Charles McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" , "Mark Bell" Subject: Re: Downloadable manuals (.PDF format?) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:41:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: here's one: 770 http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?page=brand&brand=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+770%7 C9549 and here's the other one..600 http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?page=brand&brand=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+600%7 C2645%7C45U goto online publications once you get there you'll find the manual's there, I did.. Charles McDaniel -----Original Message----- From: Mark Bell To: Thinkpad Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 5:12 PM Subject: Downloadable manuals (.PDF format?) >I need to find two user manuals for: > >954972U (770x) >264545u (600) > >What is the link to download these in >printable format from IBM? > >Mark > > > > > >------------------------------------------------- >Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 >Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >------------------------------------------------- >Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >Network and System consultation and installation >-------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Aug 13 11:39:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA18535 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:39:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27832; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:37:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27491; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27474; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:37:22 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JEPS4YH2GYI1IUCP@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:39:18 CST Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:39:17 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: uNABLE TO BOOT WIN 95 In-reply-to: <199908130213.VAA13051@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: After installing Linux SUSE 6.1 i am now unable to boot to window 95. When i restart my system LILO appears and the only choice i have is to boot to Linux. When using my win 95 startup disk, i can get to msdos but when i chage to cd/windows and try to get windows running an error occurs and the thing just hangs. any help really really appreciated. Thanks in advance, Jon From cph Fri Aug 13 12:29:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA18797 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:29:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01228; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:28:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01048; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01032; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:28:16 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26740.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.221]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA23403; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0a3501bee5a8$b4334d40$dd56e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: "Aron Hsiao" Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: Fw: Dock II where to get one? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:27:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: >Try auction sites like Amazon.com or Ebay.com; I got mine that way for >just over $50, and that included shipping and a set of keys. Works great >with Linux ... >-Aron Greetings Aron, I didn't know you subscribed to this discussion group. Mileage varies greatly amongst sellers. A more direct recommendation -- based on your experience -- would be good. I no longer sell in Amazon, but I can be found in eBay (to prove it's me, your Dock II was left hidden in the bushes by UPS). Best regards. Carlos From cph Fri Aug 13 13:16:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA19103 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:16:04 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04416; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:13:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04027; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04010; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.11 -> dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:13:26 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA21767; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:13:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908131713.MAA21767@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Received: from user-37kbsk6.dialup.mindspring.com(207.69.242.134) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021679; Fri Aug 13 12:12:48 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Carlos de la Puente" , "Thinkpad" Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <002d01bee55b$ded26e70$dd56e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fw: Dock II where to get one? List-Unsubscribe: I didn't know you sold TP stuff :). Noted for future reference! On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:17:15 -0400, Carlos de la Puente wrote: >>Denis Hall may be able to help. >>That's where I got mine. Let him know I referred >>you. > > >Gee, I am disappointed... no one has recommended me :( > From cph Fri Aug 13 13:38:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA19214 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:38:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06135; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:36:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05874; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newton.uucp (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05859; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newton.uucp (206.16.41.128 -> async-lgcy-05-128.lgcy.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:36:26 -0400 Received: (from perfekt@localhost) by newton.uucp (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA07689; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:32:57 -0600 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0a3501bee5a8$b4334d40$dd56e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:32:57 -0600 (MDT) Reply-To: Aron Hsiao Sender: newton!perfekt@mail.lgcy.com From: Aron Hsiao To: Carlos de la Puente Subject: Re: Fw: Dock II where to get one? Cc: Thinkpad List-Unsubscribe: On 13-Aug-99 Carlos de la Puente wrote: >>Try auction sites like Amazon.com or Ebay.com; I got mine that way for >>just over $50, and that included shipping and a set of keys. Works great >>with Linux ... >>-Aron > > > Greetings Aron, > > I didn't know you subscribed to this discussion group. > > Mileage varies greatly amongst sellers. A more direct recommendation -- > based on your experience -- would be good. I no longer sell in Amazon, > but I > can be found in eBay (to prove it's me, your Dock II was left hidden in > the > bushes by UPS). > > Best regards. > Carlos I didn't realize that you did, either -- I just archive it in a folder, most of the time, so I didn't get a chance to see any of your earlier posts (assuming that there are some). Yes, I did get mine from Carlos, and recieved it in excellent condition; he was great about the transaction and I would recommend him heartily based on my own personal experience. -Aron -- ### Aron Hsiao, About.com guide to Linux ### ---------------------------------------------------------------- ### L I N U X : The choice of a GNU generation! From cph Fri Aug 13 14:06:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA19393 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:06:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08249; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:04:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08129; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamgaab.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08115; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamgaab.compuserve.com (149.174.217.153 -> ah-img-2.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:04:35 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamgaab.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.8) id OAA11111 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:03:24 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: 755 NiMh battery for sale UK Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <199908131403_MC2-80E3-CE36@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA19394 I have a spare NiMh battery for the 755 range for sale. P/N 84G6440 It is in good health and should returns approx 2hours on max power management, and with everything fully on - modem, CD Rom PC cards full brightness and extensive HDD activity it returns 1 hr 10mins at least. Let me know if interested Mark From cph Fri Aug 13 15:29:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA19847 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:29:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14095; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:26:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13873; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13857; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:26:16 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-179.islandnet.com [139.142.112.179] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m11FMxy-0006egC for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:26:14 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Downloadable manuals (.PDF format?) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:21:02 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <002401bee589$359fd4e0$033afdd1@defiant> In-Reply-To: <002401bee589$359fd4e0$033afdd1@defiant> Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I'd like to find the manual and the diskettes for the 701 adaptor to the Dock II. I've looked on IBM sites where the other manuals and diskettes are, but no luck. I bought the dock ii with the 701 adaptor already installed, but no manual or diskettes for the 701 adaptor. Perhaps that is why it still doesn't work properly! -- cheers Jonathan From cph Fri Aug 13 16:28:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA20318 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:28:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19039; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:26:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18766; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18743; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (200.0.213.47) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:26:31 -0400 Received: from pcleandro ([200.0.213.23]) by dialup.com.ar (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12455; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:25:41 -0300 From: "Leandro Rzezak" To: "Jon" , Subject: RE: uNABLE TO BOOT WIN 95 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:28:22 -0300 Message-ID: <000501bee5ca$63556d50$0201a8c0@pcleandro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: Boot with linux. Check your partition configuration with fdisk. Check where in your disk is your win95 partition. Now run liloconfig (if you have it) Add your windows 95 partition to your choice list. Exit liloconfig. run lilo Reboot. If you don't have liloconfig, run man lilo and man lilo.conf Edit /etc/lilo.conf and add the Windows partition. Run lilo (just type "lilo" and ) Reboot. When your computing is booting, hold ALT. When Lilo's prompt apeear press TAB. You will see the list of choices. Hope this helps Leandro > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] > Sent: Viernes 13 de Agosto de 1999 13:39 > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: uNABLE TO BOOT WIN 95 > > > After installing Linux SUSE 6.1 i am now unable to boot to window 95. When > i restart my system LILO appears and the only choice i have is to boot to > Linux. > > When using my win 95 startup disk, i can get to msdos but when i chage to > cd/windows and try to get windows running an error occurs and the thing > just hangs. > > any help really really appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jon > From cph Fri Aug 13 16:35:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA20360 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:35:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19910; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:34:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19643; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bos.viant.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19630; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bos.viant.com (208.218.153.2) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:34:06 -0400 Received: from kgarson.bos.viant.com ([208.218.153.114]) by mail.bos.viant.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAB790; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:32:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990813161906.00da0070@mail.ny.viant.com> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: Kenzo's Useful Mail Program v3 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:23:17 -0400 To: "Bourdon, Bruce" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: Ken Subject: Re: blue screen when lid closed... (770) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:46 PM 6/11/99 -0400, Bourdon, Bruce wrote: >Occasionally my Thinkpad 770 gets the Win95 "Blue Screen" when I close the >lid - thereby preventing it from entering the suspended mode. It occurs >The message is: >Invalid VxD dynamic link call from SSPCCRDX(03) + 00001d33 to device "33A7", >service 1. >Bruce. Sorry for the late reply - I have a 770ED and I consistently get a blue screen and a similar-looking error (I can't verify the exact message right now, but the words are definitely the same), when the following steps occur: - First, the screen has been blanked (either because of the screen-blanking power-saving setting, or because I hit Fn-Screen to turn the screen off) - Next, while the screen is already blank, the lid is closed. Consistently, if I close the lid while the screen is blank, I get the above error. And, next time I restart Windows (95), the display comes up in 640x480 mode. Solution: Don't close the lid while the screen is blank. Activate the screen, THEN close the lid. If the lid is already closed when the screen goes blank, you will have no problem. I asked the list last year about this problem, and nobody was able to solve the problem. Good luck, Ken kenzo@free-music.com From cph Fri Aug 13 17:37:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA20782 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:37:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23850; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:35:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23675; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23660; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (199.224.64.56 -> lima.epix.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:35:46 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp44.epix.net [199.224.125.44]) by lima.epix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/1999072601/PL) with SMTP id RAA02444 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908132135.RAA02444@lima.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:35:22 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: looking for the web site... X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: with the manuals for discontinued thinkpads. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! -- -- Press any key... no, no, no, NOT THAT ONE! From cph Sat Aug 14 08:44:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA23719 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 08:44:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00979; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 08:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 08:42:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00726; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 08:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00710; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 08:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.10 -> dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 08:42:03 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA01217 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 07:41:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908141241.HAA01217@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga14-29.ix.netcom.com(207.95.119.93) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001202; Sat Aug 14 07:41:29 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 08:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199907052310.SAA26446@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 2nd battery List-Unsubscribe: Is it 'better' to put a 2nd battery into the ultrabay alongside the first (two batteries in the unit) or to insert the 2nd battery as soon as the first gets low on power? Does one method provide longer battery power than the other? Thanks. Allan Ballard From cph Sat Aug 14 18:38:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA25365 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:38:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20204; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:32:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19005; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18925; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (128.49.4.4 -> marlin.nosc.mil) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:32:35 -0400 Received: from dlsthinkpad (nrad-ascend-ppp16.nosc.mil [198.253.206.216]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13121 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:32:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek Seaman" To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Screen Dims after display blanks Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:30:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199908141241.HAA01217@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I've noticed for quite a while now that on my 600E if I let the screen blank, and then wake it up, the screen is noticebly dimmer. Using the slide control to crank the brightness up all the way doesn't help. If I shutdown and restart the screen is back to normal brightness. Is this a standard 'feature' or a bug? I downloaded and installed the newest BIOS. And BTW, and new BIOS has changed the suspend behavior. It now has a 'redisafe' feature where it dumps some data to the HD like hibernate, but not quite as much. (Well it seems that way to me) I then tried the hibernate mode, and it showed the same Memory to Disk dump status, but didn't have the words "Redisafe" under it. So I presume something slightly different is happening. With the previous BIOS the suspend mode didn't have the Disk to Memory status icon nor the Redisafe mode. I must say that suspend seems to come back to life faster and more reliably. Derek From cph Sat Aug 14 18:38:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA25372 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:38:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20222; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:32:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18966; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18899; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (128.49.4.4 -> marlin.nosc.mil) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:32:29 -0400 Received: from dlsthinkpad (nrad-ascend-ppp16.nosc.mil [198.253.206.216]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13114; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:32:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek Seaman" To: "Allan Ballard" , "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: RE: 2nd battery Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:30:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199908141241.HAA01217@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I think the ultrabay battery has roughly the same run time as the internal battery. With both in my 600E I get about 5-6hours of run time.With just the internal battery I get 2:30 - 3 hours. I like the second battery in the ultra bay because I don't have to stop my work, suspend, change batteries, and then resume work. It just automatically uses the ultrabay battery first. That way if you need to use your CD-ROM or ZIP, your internal battery still has juice while you remove the ultrabay battery. -----Original Message----- From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Saturday, August 14, 1999 5:42 AM To: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 2nd battery Is it 'better' to put a 2nd battery into the ultrabay alongside the first (two batteries in the unit) or to insert the 2nd battery as soon as the first gets low on power? Does one method provide longer battery power than the other? Thanks. Allan Ballard From cph Sat Aug 14 18:38:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA25374 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:38:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20195; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:32:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18984; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18909; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (128.49.4.4 -> marlin.nosc.mil) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:32:31 -0400 Received: from dlsthinkpad (nrad-ascend-ppp16.nosc.mil [198.253.206.216]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13118 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:32:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek Seaman" To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Ethernet in Thinkpads? Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:30:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199908141241.HAA01217@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know if IBM is going to put a 10/100BT ethernet adaptor in the higher end laptops? It makes perfect sense to me since most of the high-end laptops will be used in an office environment which generally uses ethernet. This would also free up a CardBus slot for other uses. I'd happily pay an extra $100 for the feature. It would also elminate any external dongles for connectivity. (I have the Xircom Realport so I don't have any dongles, but most people don't have the RealPort) Derek From cph Sat Aug 14 18:38:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA25380 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:38:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20184; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:32:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19021; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18939; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (128.49.4.4 -> marlin.nosc.mil) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:32:38 -0400 Received: from dlsthinkpad (nrad-ascend-ppp16.nosc.mil [198.253.206.216]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13124 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:32:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek Seaman" To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Docking cover broke Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:30:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199908141241.HAA01217@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: On my 600E I realized that one of the two docking door covers is broken. I think that it happened on my last business trip. Would EZ-serve cover the problem? It's still under warranty, but it's not really a defect. Something probably pushed up against it and broke the door. Derek From cph Sat Aug 14 20:29:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA25788 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:29:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23813; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:28:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23632; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23619; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:28:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:28:29 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (tempa23.bf.sover.net [207.136.202.23]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17756 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908150028.UAA17756@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from tempa23.bf.sover.net [207.136.202.23] 207.136.202.23 Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 19:26:47 -0400 To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Screen Dims after display blanks X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >I've noticed for quite a while now that on my 600E if I let the screen >blank, and then wake it up, the screen is noticebly dimmer. Using the >slide control to crank the brightness up all the way doesn't help. If I >shutdown and restart the screen is back to normal brightness. >Is this a standard 'feature' or a bug? My 600E doesn't behave this way in OS2 -- so I would think its your particular machine or Windoze. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph Sat Aug 14 20:37:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA25801 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:37:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24417; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:36:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24250; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24236; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:36:40 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.238]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990815003636.GKJS5700@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:36:36 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990814203624.00fc0470@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:36:24 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Ethernet in Thinkpads? In-Reply-To: References: <199908141241.HAA01217@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:30 PM 8/14/99 -0700, Derek Seaman wrote: >Does anyone know if IBM is going to put a 10/100BT ethernet adaptor in the >higher end laptops? It makes perfect sense to me since most of the high-end >laptops will be used in an office environment which generally uses ethernet. > Except for the ones that use Token Ring... From cph Sat Aug 14 20:43:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA25843 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:43:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24988; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:42:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24803; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24785; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (128.95.79.74 -> brimstone.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:42:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (kress@localhost) by brimstone.geology.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07331; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:44:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: brimstone.geology.washington.edu: kress owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:44:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Victor Kress X-Sender: kress@brimstone.geology.washington.edu To: Allan Ballard cc: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: 2nd battery In-Reply-To: <199908141241.HAA01217@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: This is probably as much of a religious issue as a scientific one. You could go either way. I would choose option 2. Even the new batteries on thinkpads these days need to be run down to low charge periodically, or they die young. If you have them both in, you will either tend to charge them before either of them gets very low, or you will leave them until they are both low, leaving you with no batteries. ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu On Sat, 14 Aug 1999, Allan Ballard wrote: > Is it 'better' to put a 2nd battery into the ultrabay > alongside the first (two batteries in the unit) or > to insert the 2nd battery as soon as the first > gets low on power? Does one method provide > longer battery power than the other? > > Thanks. > Allan Ballard > > From cph Sat Aug 14 20:52:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA25873 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:52:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25543; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:51:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25380; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25367; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (207.69.200.32 -> smtp2.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:51:37 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2ivebsj.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.47.147]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA19650 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:51:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: Ethernet in Thinkpads? Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:53:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990814203624.00fc0470@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: It would be a good idea, but it would seem that if IBM was interested in doing it they would have done it a while ago. Some of the laptop manufacturers have this, icluding the latest Apple laptops. Why not? -----Original Message----- From: Jane Loyless [mailto:jloyless@netbox.com] Sent: Saturday, August 14, 1999 8:36 PM To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Ethernet in Thinkpads? At 03:30 PM 8/14/99 -0700, Derek Seaman wrote: >Does anyone know if IBM is going to put a 10/100BT ethernet adaptor in the >higher end laptops? It makes perfect sense to me since most of the high-end >laptops will be used in an office environment which generally uses ethernet. > Except for the ones that use Token Ring... From cph Sat Aug 14 21:11:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA25904 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:11:01 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26387; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:09:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26170; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26153; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.10 -> dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:09:37 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA22339 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:09:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908150109.UAA22339@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga14-29.ix.netcom.com(207.95.119.93) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma022332; Sat Aug 14 20:09:21 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Dock II : Keyboard issue List-Unsubscribe: So far I have a 760CD "basically" working with a Dock II. I had to plug the PS2 mouse into the computer, as it would not otherwise work. Now, the keyboard won't work. Does the keyboard have to come out of the laptop as well? There are ports on the rear of the DOCK II for keyboard and a mouse. But how to get the keyboard to work? This is my first try with a dock, and it shows promise -- if -- all the squirels can be worked out. Thanks in advance for any advice on the keyboard. Allan Ballard From cph Sat Aug 14 21:42:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA25962 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:42:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27686; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:41:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27454; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27441; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:40:57 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.19.193]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990815014053.GQNB15884@770>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:40:53 +0000 Message-ID: <37B61A17.4A9@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:38:31 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard CC: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Dock II : Keyboard issue References: <199908150109.UAA22339@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: IF you are running OSR2, there is an issue with the PCMCIA ports in the Dock. Download the latest PCMCIA drivers for the 760CD If that does not do it, you may have a bad dock. Has happened to me! Allan Ballard wrote: > > So far I have a 760CD "basically" working with a Dock II. > > I had to plug the PS2 mouse into the computer, as it would > not otherwise work. > > Now, the keyboard won't work.If you are running > > Does the keyboard have to come out of the laptop as well? > > There are ports on the rear of the DOCK II for keyboard and > a mouse. > > But how to get the keyboard to work? > > This is my first try with a dock, and it shows promise -- if -- all > the squirels can be worked out. > > Thanks in advance for any advice on the keyboard. > > Allan Ballard From cph Sat Aug 14 22:16:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA26090 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:16:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29196; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:15:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29007; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28994; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.10 -> dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:15:15 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA26693; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:14:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908150214.VAA26693@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga14-29.ix.netcom.com(207.95.119.93) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma026688; Sat Aug 14 21:14:40 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "scosgt@worldnet.att.net" Cc: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <37B61A17.4A9@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Dock II : Keyboard issue List-Unsubscribe: may be a bad dock. the eject button does not work; the fan does not work. On Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:38:31 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >IF you are running OSR2, there is an issue with the PCMCIA ports in the >Dock. Download the latest PCMCIA drivers for the 760CD >If that does not do it, you may have a bad dock. Has happened to me! > >Allan Ballard wrote: >> >> So far I have a 760CD "basically" working with a Dock II. >> >> I had to plug the PS2 mouse into the computer, as it would >> not otherwise work. >> >> Now, the keyboard won't work.If you are running >> >> Does the keyboard have to come out of the laptop as well? >> >> There are ports on the rear of the DOCK II for keyboard and >> a mouse. >> >> But how to get the keyboard to work? >> >> This is my first try with a dock, and it shows promise -- if -- all >> the squirels can be worked out. >> >> Thanks in advance for any advice on the keyboard. >> >> Allan Ballard From cph Sun Aug 15 00:03:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA26330 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:03:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02463; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:02:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02212; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02198; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (165.87.194.229 -> out2.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:02:00 -0400 Received: from cijeczcig1x68u (slip-32-100-39-172.nj.us.ibm.net [32.100.39.172]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA67932; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 04:01:56 GMT Message-ID: <001d01bee6d2$ebf3d9e0$ac276420@cijeczcig1x68u> From: "Donald Mak" To: , "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" References: <199908150028.UAA17756@pike.sover.net> Subject: Re: Screen Dims after display blanks Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:01:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I have noticed this as well on the 770's under win98 but after a few minutes it does come back to full brightness. Don > >I've noticed for quite a while now that on my 600E if I let the screen > >blank, and then wake it up, the screen is noticebly dimmer. Using the > >slide control to crank the brightness up all the way doesn't help. If I > >shutdown and restart the screen is back to normal brightness. > >Is this a standard 'feature' or a bug? > > My 600E doesn't behave this way in OS2 -- so I would think its your > particular machine or Windoze. > > _____________ > letoured@sover.net > > From cph Sun Aug 15 00:07:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA26335 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:07:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03062; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:06:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02803; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.on.home.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02783; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.on.home.com (24.9.0.15 -> ha1.rdc2.on.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:06:16 -0400 Received: from CORUSCANT ([24.66.41.126]) by mail.rdc2.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <19990815040613.WBRL12218.mail.rdc2.on.home.com@CORUSCANT> for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:06:13 -0700 Received: by CORUSCANT with Microsoft Mail id <01BEE6A9.2D4DFDA0@CORUSCANT>; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:03:09 -0500 Message-ID: <01BEE6A9.2D4DFDA0@CORUSCANT> From: Jason Savage To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: 701 and LCD weirdness Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:03:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id AAA26336 My 701 is starting to exhibit some major display weirdness. At random intervals the screen will just suddenly go completely white. If I then adjust the angle of the screen and cycle it between external and internal video; the screen then returns to normal. The problem occurred more frequently when Lotus Organizer 5.0 was installed on the machine. It decreased in frequency when I uninstalled it, but that just might be a coincidence. The problems shows up on both my Win95 and Win98 drives. Help! Has anyone ever experienced a problem like this one? Thanks in advance. Jason Savage Savage@Mbnet.MB.CA From cph Sun Aug 15 04:26:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA26754 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 04:26:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12822; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 04:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 04:23:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12544; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 04:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hromeo.algonet.se (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12521; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 04:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hromeo.algonet.se (194.213.74.10 -> hromeo.algonet.se) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 04:23:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 17629 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 10:23:32 +0200 Received: from enok.algonet.se (194.213.74.88) by hromeo.algonet.se with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 10:23:32 +0200 Received: from sdu20-74.ppp.algonet.se ([195.163.74.20]) by algonet.se (BLUETAIL Mail Robustifier1.0.4) with ESMTP ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 08:23:32 GMT Message-ID: <003701bee6f7$7ad5dfe0$144aa3c3@psm> From: "Peter Soderholm" To: Subject: Re: Ethernet in Thinkpads? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:23:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01BEE708.3B0090C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BEE708.3B0090C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<It would be a good idea, but it would seem that = if IBM was=20 interested in
<doing it they would have done it a while ago.  = Some of=20 the laptop
<manufacturers have this, icluding the latest Apple=20 laptops.  Why not?
 
Why not throw in SCSI as well?
Actually these things might seem a bit extravagant = but they=20 can be of great value, especially if the drivers
are well integrated with the OS. The Tadpole = (Sparc/Sun)=20 laptops that where on sale on the net a while ago
seemed to have both ethernet and SCSI as standard + = 2 pcmcia=20 slots. The SCSI was the key to making these
a litle old laptops (10" TFT ) useful for anything = since it=20 allowed the addition of extra disks and a CD etc.
 
SCSI is of course a standard on Sun machines that = makes them=20 extendable in a nice way. I think that usb will have the = same
function in the pc world in the near future. It used = to be an=20 argument against laptops that it doesnt contain any = expansion
slots but now that the world seems to have realised = that=20 expansion slots are obsolete anyway one more (or perhaps the final) = argument=20 against laptops is soon gone.
 
(Oh by the way, you used to have to pay $19 000 for=20 the tadpoles, now they went for $800)
 
Peter
------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BEE708.3B0090C0-- From cph Sun Aug 15 10:15:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA04132 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:15:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25949; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:12:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25725; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25712; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:12:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:12:47 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (tempa19.bf.sover.net [207.136.202.19]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA10216 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908151412.KAA10216@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from tempa19.bf.sover.net [207.136.202.19] 207.136.202.19 Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:56:20 -0400 To: In-Reply-To: <001d01bee6d2$ebf3d9e0$ac276420@cijeczcig1x68u> Subject: Re: Screen Dims after display blanks X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: Donald Mak" said: >I have noticed this as well on the 770's under win98 but after a few >minutes it does >come back to full brightness. FWIW, If a "few minutes" is really accurate, then I would look to a Windows bug. -- I timed the suspend-to-come alive time under OS2, and its about 3 or 4 seconds. Durning that time the screen goes from black, to full brightness. It takes the system about 3 more seconds to begin responding, but the screen is at full brightness. The only odd behavior I've seen was with one Fixpak where the screen had a reddish tint for the duration of the black to system responding period. The level of video driver did not change the behavior. --It went away a month later with the next next fixpak. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph Sun Aug 15 13:28:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA04642 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:28:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01550; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:27:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01319; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01305; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:27:24 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26740.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.221]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA10950; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <28bf01bee743$51d9dcd0$dd56e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: "Allan Ballard" Cc: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Dock II : Keyboard issue Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:26:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: >may be a bad dock. > >the eject button does not work; the fan does not work. > Does anything show on the Dock II LCD when you dock the 760? If the eject button on the Dock II doesn't work (I assume you used the hole above the lock to eject the tray) and nothing shows in the Dock II LCD when you dock the 760, you may have a circuit board -- where the Dock II LCD panel mounts-- broken. This is a very common problem. When I see someone selling a Dock II "as-is" -- claiming they do so because they can't test it -- bothers me because they can at least plug the power cord to the wall and press the blue button. If it doesn't eject, chances are good that this board is broken. I suspect they know this and thus don't even offer a "no DOA" guarantee. Cheers, Carlos From cph Sun Aug 15 16:15:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA05185 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:15:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06618; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:13:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06426; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06413; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:13:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.65 -> imo21.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:13:55 -0400 Received: from Wmludlow99@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id oUOUa20496 (3892) for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2eaf2cb7.24e8797b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:13:47 EDT Subject: NEED STUFF FOR A 355C I'M GIVING TO GRANDKIDS To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 List-Unsubscribe: Pardon this message that may be considered SPAM by some. It's not meant that way. I rcently bought a 355C intending it to be given to my grandkids. I need to know if anyone would have, first, a 16 MB memory strip that would fit that box. I think that the 345 through 360 should all take the same memory. The OEM Part # on the 16 is:92G7424. I have a Viking 8Mb. chip for a 701 TP, never used, in original box, if anyone would have use for such an animal. Second, I need a sound card for the 355. I almost forgot that I have a 3 Gb. 21/2 IBM hard drive that has the wrong connection for my 701, and I really don't want to try it with the 355. If anyone has a larger than 250 Mb.hard drive that might fit the 355, let me know. I think the stock one is only 250 Mb. Might contact me if anyone has a worn out 355 or 360 they would sell. That way I could scrounge some of the parts that it might need. BTW, the 355 does a nice job with an IBM VGA monitor i had lying around. A good thing. The screen on the 355 is about the smallest ever made. Thanks for reading this. BILL LUDLOW LANSING, MICH. From cph Sun Aug 15 16:30:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA05221 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:30:04 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07499; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:28:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07338; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07314; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (207.115.58.198 -> pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:28:35 -0400 Received: from defiant (TXARB102-08.splitrock.net [209.253.58.8]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA67060 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:28:31 -0400 Message-ID: <006601bee75c$691146e0$083afdd1@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles McDaniel" From: "Charles McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Fw: Dock II : Keyboard issue Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:26:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- From: Charles McDaniel To: Carlos de la Puente Date: Sunday, August 15, 1999 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Dock II : Keyboard issue >Carlos informed me of this problem when I bought mine and he's right that >little board is in a very bad place and could be broken easily IBM really >didn't design this very well when they built the Dock II..I was very careful >when i took off the cover, >Later Charles >-----Original Message----- >From: Carlos de la Puente >To: Allan Ballard >Cc: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU >Date: Sunday, August 15, 1999 12:30 PM >Subject: Re: Dock II : Keyboard issue > > >>>may be a bad dock. >>> >>>the eject button does not work; the fan does not work. >>> >> >> >>Does anything show on the Dock II LCD when you dock the 760? >> >>If the eject button on the Dock II doesn't work (I assume you used the hole >>above the lock to eject the tray) and nothing shows in the Dock II LCD when >>you dock the 760, you may have a circuit board -- where the Dock II LCD >>panel mounts-- broken. >> >>This is a very common problem. When I see someone selling a Dock II >>"as-is" -- claiming they do so because they can't test it -- bothers me >>because they can at least plug the power cord to the wall and press the >blue >>button. If it doesn't eject, chances are good that this board is broken. I >>suspect they know this and thus don't even offer a "no DOA" guarantee. >> >>Cheers, >>Carlos >> > From cph Sun Aug 15 18:10:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA05455 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:10:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11298; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:06:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10588; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10547; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (128.49.4.4 -> marlin.nosc.mil) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:06:12 -0400 Received: from dlsthinkpad (nrad-ascend-ppp26.nosc.mil [198.253.206.226]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01527 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:06:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek Seaman" To: Subject: Duplicate e-mail Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:04:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01BEE72F.6B4648C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003701bee6f7$7ad5dfe0$144aa3c3@psm> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BEE72F.6B4648C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is anyone getting two copies of all the mail on this list? I sure am.... Derek ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BEE72F.6B4648C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is=20 anyone getting two copies of all the mail on this list? I sure=20 am....
 
Derek
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BEE72F.6B4648C0-- From cph Sun Aug 15 18:10:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA05464 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:10:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11429; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:06:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10632; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10568; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (128.49.4.4 -> marlin.nosc.mil) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:06:17 -0400 Received: from dlsthinkpad (nrad-ascend-ppp26.nosc.mil [198.253.206.226]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01532; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:06:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek Seaman" To: , Subject: RE: Screen Dims after display blanks Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:04:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199908151412.KAA10216@pike.sover.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Wow I wish windows was 3-4 seconds to come alive! It's a good minute on my machine...with Win98. -----Original Message----- From: letoured@sover.net [mailto:letoured@sover.net] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 1999 6:56 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Screen Dims after display blanks Donald Mak" said: >I have noticed this as well on the 770's under win98 but after a few >minutes it does >come back to full brightness. FWIW, If a "few minutes" is really accurate, then I would look to a Windows bug. -- I timed the suspend-to-come alive time under OS2, and its about 3 or 4 seconds. Durning that time the screen goes from black, to full brightness. It takes the system about 3 more seconds to begin responding, but the screen is at full brightness. The only odd behavior I've seen was with one Fixpak where the screen had a reddish tint for the duration of the black to system responding period. The level of video driver did not change the behavior. --It went away a month later with the next next fixpak. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph Sun Aug 15 18:10:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA05469 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:10:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11466; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:06:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10608; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10548; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (128.49.4.4 -> marlin.nosc.mil) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:06:13 -0400 Received: from dlsthinkpad (nrad-ascend-ppp26.nosc.mil [198.253.206.226]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01521; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:06:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek Seaman" To: "Peter Soderholm" , Subject: RE: Ethernet in Thinkpads? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:04:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BEE72F.6903F9E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003701bee6f7$7ad5dfe0$144aa3c3@psm> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BEE72F.6903F9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I agree that SCSI is great (I exclusively use SCSI), I don't see a big value in having it built in, from a marketing standpoint. My guess is that many many more people would use built-in ethernet than SCSI. Adaptec makes a good CardBUS UltraSCSI card. I dare say they sell less of those than Xircon does of its ethernet cards. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Soderholm [mailto:helsod@algonet.se] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 1999 1:24 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Ethernet in Thinkpads?
While=20 I agree that SCSI is great (I exclusively use SCSI), I don't see a big = value in=20 having it built in, from a marketing standpoint. My guess is that many = many more=20 people would use built-in ethernet than SCSI. Adaptec makes a good = CardBUS=20 UltraSCSI card. I dare say they sell less of those than Xircon does = of its=20 ethernet cards.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Soderholm=20 [mailto:helsod@algonet.se]
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 1999 = 1:24=20 AM
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: Ethernet = in=20 Thinkpads?

<It would be a good idea, but it would seem = that if IBM=20 was interested in
<doing it they would have done it a while = ago. =20 Some of the laptop
<manufacturers have this, icluding the latest = Apple=20 laptops.  Why not?
 
Why not throw in SCSI as well?
Actually these things might seem a bit extravagant = but they=20 can be of great value, especially if the drivers
are well integrated with the OS. The Tadpole = (Sparc/Sun)=20 laptops that where on sale on the net a while ago
seemed to have both ethernet and SCSI as standard = + 2 pcmcia=20 slots. The SCSI was the key to making these
a litle old laptops (10" TFT ) useful for anything = since it=20 allowed the addition of extra disks and a CD etc.
 
SCSI is of course a standard on Sun machines that = makes them=20 extendable in a nice way. I think that usb will have the = same
function in the pc world in the near future. It = used to be=20 an argument against laptops that it doesnt contain any = expansion
slots but now that the world seems to have = realised that=20 expansion slots are obsolete anyway one more (or perhaps the final) = argument=20 against laptops is soon gone.
 
(Oh by the way, you used to have to pay $19 000 = for=20 the tadpoles, now they went for $800)
 
Peter
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BEE72F.6903F9E0-- From cph Sun Aug 15 18:53:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA05597 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:53:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13408; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:51:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13179; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from forsterite.geology.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13166; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from forsterite.geology.washington.edu (128.95.79.1 -> forsterite.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:51:15 -0400 Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by forsterite.geology.washington.edu (8.8.0/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 id QAA32221; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908152301.QAA32221@forsterite.geology.washington.edu> From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:51:34 +0000 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 3ccfem556b ethernet/modem card running hot List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I purchased one of these 3com multifunction cards several months ago on one of their promotional deals. It is now supported under the latest linux pcmcia, so I decided to try it out. It seems to work great. In fact, it "cooks" (so to speak :). After using it a while, the card is almost too hot to hold. All this heating takes power, and as expected battery life takes a big dive. All my other cards run MUCH cooler. Does someone else on this list use one of these cards? If so, does it seem to run hot? I want to know if this is to be expected, or if something is defective with my card. Thanks in advance for the info. ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph Sun Aug 15 18:57:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA05607 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:57:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13937; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:56:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13791; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13770; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:56:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA80833; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:56:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:56:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Victor Kress cc: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: 3ccfem556b ethernet/modem card running hot In-Reply-To: <199908152301.QAA32221@forsterite.geology.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Victor Kress wrote: Hi Victor, I had both the 3COMFEM556 and the 3CCFEM556B and they run hot and is a ripoff since the card is only 16 bit and the 100BaseT Ethernet only can go up to 12Mbps/sec max. I sent it back to 3Com and got a refund and got the 3CCFEM656B which is very cool and is a 32 bit PCI CardBus version. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Hi all, > > I purchased one of these 3com multifunction cards several months ago on one of their > promotional deals. It is now supported under the latest linux pcmcia, so I decided to try > it out. It seems to work great. In fact, it "cooks" (so to speak :). After using it a while, the > card is almost too hot to hold. All this heating takes power, and as expected battery life > takes a big dive. All my other cards run MUCH cooler. Does someone else on this list > use one of these cards? If so, does it seem to run hot? I want to know if this is to be > expected, or if something is defective with my card. Thanks in advance for the info. From cph Sun Aug 15 23:37:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA06452 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:37:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23508; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:35:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23235; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23222; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.7 -> dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:35:20 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA08267; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:34:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908160334.WAA08267@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Received: from sdx-ca44-38.ix.netcom.com(199.182.40.38) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008219; Sun Aug 15 22:34:08 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Charles McDaniel" , "Thinkpad" Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:36:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.950) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fw: Dock II : Keyboard issue List-Unsubscribe: When the unit is on, a sort of semi circle shows on the LCD readout. Once, a quick message flashed on the monitor, something about bad things for scsi. I am going to ask for a replacement, or a refund. On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:26:08 -0500, Charles McDaniel wrote: > >-----Original Message----- >From: Charles McDaniel >To: Carlos de la Puente >Date: Sunday, August 15, 1999 3:19 PM >Subject: Re: Dock II : Keyboard issue > > >>Carlos informed me of this problem when I bought mine and he's right that >>little board is in a very bad place and could be broken easily IBM really >>didn't design this very well when they built the Dock II..I was very >careful >>when i took off the cover, >>Later Charles >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Carlos de la Puente >>To: Allan Ballard >>Cc: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU >>Date: Sunday, August 15, 1999 12:30 PM >>Subject: Re: Dock II : Keyboard issue >> >> >>>>may be a bad dock. >>>> >>>>the eject button does not work; the fan does not work. >>>> >>> >>> >>>Does anything show on the Dock II LCD when you dock the 760? >>> >>>If the eject button on the Dock II doesn't work (I assume you used the >hole >>>above the lock to eject the tray) and nothing shows in the Dock II LCD >when >>>you dock the 760, you may have a circuit board -- where the Dock II LCD >>>panel mounts-- broken. >>> >>>This is a very common problem. When I see someone selling a Dock II >>>"as-is" -- claiming they do so because they can't test it -- bothers me >>>because they can at least plug the power cord to the wall and press the >>blue >>>button. If it doesn't eject, chances are good that this board is broken. I >>>suspect they know this and thus don't even offer a "no DOA" guarantee. >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Carlos >>> >> > From cph Mon Aug 16 07:20:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA07672 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:20:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15941; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:19:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15647; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bashanjr.bashan.co.il (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15599; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bashanjr.bashan.co.il (194.90.193.239) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:19:10 -0400 Received: by BASHANJR with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:29:40 +0200 Message-ID: <30D3BE0D35E6D01199AA00805FA1B8F12B0662@bashanaf> From: Eliezer Birinbom To: "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1255?Q?=FA=F7=F6=E9=F8?= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:21:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU From cph Mon Aug 16 07:26:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA07677 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:26:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16584; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:25:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16287; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bashanjr.bashan.co.il (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16246; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bashanjr.bashan.co.il (194.90.193.239) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:25:10 -0400 Received: by BASHANJR with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:35:43 +0200 Message-ID: <30D3BE0D35E6D01199AA00805FA1B8F12B06AD@bashanaf> From: Eliezer Birinbom To: "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1255?Q?Recall=3A_=FA=F7=F6=E9=F8?= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:27:55 +0200 Expiry-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:26:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="WINDOWS-1255" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id HAA07678 Eliezer Birinbom would like to recall the message, "ú÷öéø". From cph Mon Aug 16 11:33:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA08632 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:33:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00572; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:30:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00276; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00247; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:30:23 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-507.gate.net [199.227.173.253]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA422544; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:30:34 -0400 Message-ID: <37B82E73.2C664C7A@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:29:55 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Savage CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 701 and LCD weirdness References: <01BEE6A9.2D4DFDA0@CORUSCANT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: This is a major wear point, IMO, fot all notebooks.. the cable between the base and top wears out after Xthousand flex cycles... AND, there are four different cables.. two for the two different variations of LCD placement and two for each display style (TFT and DSTN)... i'm not sure if the cable can be had by itself, but i rather think not, though i may try to learn more since this problem seems to be cropping up more frequently.. Jason Savage wrote: > My 701 is starting to exhibit some major display weirdness. At random intervals the screen will just suddenly go completely white. If I then adjust the angle of the screen and cycle it between external and internal video; the screen then returns to normal. The problem occurred more frequently when Lotus Organizer 5.0 was installed on the machine. It decreased in frequency when I uninstalled it, but that just might be a coincidence. The problems shows up on both my Win95 and Win98 drives. Help! Has anyone ever experienced a problem like this one? Thanks in advance. > > Jason Savage > Savage@Mbnet.MB.CA -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Mon Aug 16 11:37:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA08661 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:37:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01194; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:35:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00972; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00944; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:35:43 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-507.gate.net [199.227.173.253]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA166662; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:35:49 -0400 Message-ID: <37B82FAC.69FEED52@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:35:08 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Seaman CC: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Ethernet in Thinkpads? plus next generation.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I don't know, i have heard nothing of this.. but i suppose we'll all know when the 780(?) is announced, late 1999.. there will be a major enhancement of the flagship line of thinkpads.. Derek Seaman wrote: > Does anyone know if IBM is going to put a 10/100BT ethernet adaptor in the > higher end laptops? It makes perfect sense to me since most of the high-end > laptops will be used in an office environment which generally uses ethernet. > This would also free up a CardBus slot for other uses. I'd happily pay an > extra $100 for the feature. > > It would also elminate any external dongles for connectivity. (I have the > Xircom Realport so I don't have any dongles, but most people don't have the > RealPort) > > Derek -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Mon Aug 16 11:43:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA08706 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:43:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02160; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:41:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01794; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01726; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:41:03 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-507.gate.net [199.227.173.253]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA313562; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:41:21 -0400 Message-ID: <37B830F9.699D6E10@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:40:41 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wmludlow99@aol.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NEED STUFF FOR A 355C I'M GIVING TO GRANDKIDS References: <2eaf2cb7.24e8797b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill... Wmludlow99@aol.com wrote: > Pardon this message that may be considered SPAM by some. It's not meant that > way. I rcently bought a 355C intending it to be given to my grandkids. I need > to know if anyone would have, first, a 16 MB memory strip that would fit that > box. I think that the 345 through 360 should all take the same memory. The > OEM Part # on the 16 is:92G7424. yes, they do exist.. or DID some months ago.. but I must verify current price and so on.. > I have a Viking 8Mb. chip for a 701 TP, > never used, in original box, if anyone would have use for such an animal. > Second, I need a sound card for the 355. I almost forgot that I have a 3 Gb. > 21/2 IBM hard drive that has the wrong connection for my 701, if this drive is a 12.5mm drive it WILL fit and work fine in your 701.. as well as the 355.. each notebook takes a different HDD shell, though.. but these are available.. > and I really > don't want to try it with the 355. If anyone has a larger than 250 Mb.hard > drive that might fit the 355, see above.. > let me know. I think the stock one is only 250 > Mb. Might contact me if anyone has a worn out 355 or 360 they would sell. > That way I could scrounge some of the parts that it might need. BTW, the 355 > does a nice job with an IBM VGA monitor i had lying around. A good thing. The > screen on the 355 is about the smallest ever made. Thanks for reading this. > > BILL LUDLOW > LANSING, MICH. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Mon Aug 16 15:47:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA10250 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:47:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20369; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:44:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20083; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20069; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.52 -> smtp13.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:44:45 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26749.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.230]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA01793; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <122c01bee81f$aa122a60$e656e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: "Allan Ballard" , "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: Fw: Dock II : Keyboard issue Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:43:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: >When the unit is on, a sort of semi circle shows on the LCD readout. >Once, a quick message flashed on the monitor, something about >bad things for scsi. > That means that the Dock II is working. The "bad SCSI" message can occur due to different reasons and depending who is issuing the message. If it is Windows that issues the error msg, then that ThinkPad may have been used on a Dock I that has a different type of SCSI. If it happens before Windows loads, then it's either bad termination or using active termination (if you have SCSI devices installed). You could disable SCSI if you don't have any SCSI devices. None of this answers the question about the keyboard and mouse. You could try IBM's hints & tips at: http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?page=3546001&lang=en_US&x=2&y=4 and see if the answer is there. Regards, Carlos From cph Mon Aug 16 19:31:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA11747 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:31:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05017; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:29:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04667; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04653; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (24.128.1.71 -> chmls06.mediaone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:28:55 -0400 Received: from jteich (1Cust111.tnt11.dfw5.da.uu.net [153.34.32.111]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA17044; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00a401bee83e$82c94f00$6f202299@jteich> From: "Jonathan Teich" To: "Henry S. Greenside" Cc: References: <4.2.0.58.19990809192314.009fbc90@pop.rcn.com> Subject: Re: Question about upgrading 570 Thinkpad hard drive Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:20:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Where is the best place to order this drive from, and what's the price? ----- Original Message ----- From: richard To: Henry S. Greenside Cc: Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 7:24 PM Subject: Re: Question about upgrading 570 Thinkpad hard drive > I'm using a 10gb Travelstar in my 570. Fits smoothly, works fine. > > At 06:51 PM 8/9/99 -0400, Henry S. Greenside wrote: > > >Does anyone know if it is possible to replace the 4.0 GB drive on > >a Thinkpad 570 with one of the 8.1 or 10.0 GB Travelstar notebook > >drives (part number DCXA-208100 or DCXA-210000)? Does such a > >drive fit smoothly into the 570? > > > >The official IBM upgrade options for a 570 of $800 for a 6.4 GB > >drive are ridiculously high compared to the OEM IBM 10.0 GB drive > >which one can buy for about $280. > > From cph Mon Aug 16 19:41:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA11795 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:41:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05802; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:40:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05660; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05647; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.14 -> dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:40:19 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA20418; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:40:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908162340.SAA20418@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Received: from sdx-ca39-56.ix.netcom.com(198.211.49.184) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020384; Mon Aug 16 18:40:03 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Carlos de la Puente" , "Thinkpad" Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:40:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.950) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fw: Dock II : Keyboard issue List-Unsubscribe: I am sending the unit back; another is on its way. In addition to the previous problems, I noticed that the fan is not working. The unit may have received a few hard knocks in shipment. Allan On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:43:47 -0400, Carlos de la Puente wrote: >>When the unit is on, a sort of semi circle shows on the LCD readout. >>Once, a quick message flashed on the monitor, something about >>bad things for scsi. >> > >That means that the Dock II is working. > >The "bad SCSI" message can occur due to different reasons and depending who >is issuing the message. If it is Windows that issues the error msg, then >that ThinkPad may have been used on a Dock I that has a different type of >SCSI. If it happens before Windows loads, then it's either bad termination >or using active termination (if you have SCSI devices installed). You could >disable SCSI if you don't have any SCSI devices. > >None of this answers the question about the keyboard and mouse. You could >try IBM's hints & tips at: >http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?page=3546001&lang=en_US&x=2&y=4 > >and see if the answer is there. > >Regards, >Carlos > From cph Mon Aug 16 19:47:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA11831 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:47:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06413; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:46:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06279; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06266; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.52 -> smtp13.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:46:48 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26749.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.230]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA24384; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12c701bee841$7c6cdca0$e656e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: "Allan Ballard" , "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: Fw: Dock II : Keyboard issue Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:45:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: I believe the fan will only work if the ThinkPad is docked and turned on. Carlos -----Original Message----- From: Allan Ballard To: Carlos de la Puente ; Thinkpad Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Dock II : Keyboard issue >I am sending the unit back; another is on its way. > >In addition to the previous problems, I noticed that >the fan is not working. > >The unit may have received a few hard knocks in >shipment. > >Allan > >On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:43:47 -0400, Carlos de la Puente wrote: > >>>When the unit is on, a sort of semi circle shows on the LCD readout. >>>Once, a quick message flashed on the monitor, something about >>>bad things for scsi. >>> >> >>That means that the Dock II is working. >> >>The "bad SCSI" message can occur due to different reasons and depending who >>is issuing the message. If it is Windows that issues the error msg, then >>that ThinkPad may have been used on a Dock I that has a different type of >>SCSI. If it happens before Windows loads, then it's either bad termination >>or using active termination (if you have SCSI devices installed). You could >>disable SCSI if you don't have any SCSI devices. >> >>None of this answers the question about the keyboard and mouse. You could >>try IBM's hints & tips at: >>http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?page=3546001&lang=en_US&x=2&y=4 >> >>and see if the answer is there. >> >>Regards, >>Carlos >> > > > > From cph Mon Aug 16 21:50:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA12550 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:50:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12465; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:49:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12260; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from einstein.phy.duke.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12237; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from einstein.phy.duke.edu (152.3.182.4 -> einstein.phy.duke.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:48:53 -0400 Received: from lem.phy.duke.edu (hsg@lem.phy.duke.edu [152.3.182.25]) by einstein.phy.duke.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA10056; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hsg@localhost) by lem.phy.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.8.5) id VAA21346; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:48:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:48:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199908170148.VAA21346@lem.phy.duke.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: lem.phy.duke.edu: hsg set sender to hsg@lem.phy.duke.edu using -f From: "Henry S. Greenside" To: jteich@mediaone.net CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-reply-to: <00a401bee83e$82c94f00$6f202299@jteich> Subject: Re: Question about upgrading 570 Thinkpad hard drive References: <4.2.0.58.19990809192314.009fbc90@pop.rcn.com> <00a401bee83e$82c94f00$6f202299@jteich> List-Unsubscribe: Where is the best place to order this drive from, and what's the price? I ordered one from Global Micro, Inc, which was selling such a drive for $278 plus shipping as of a week ago. You can find nearly best prices by using the web service http://www.pricewatch.com, they have a link to notebook drives. Thanks, Henry From cph Tue Aug 17 05:19:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA14124 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 05:19:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04011; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 05:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 17 Aug 1999 05:17:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03342; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 05:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03187; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 05:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (195.174.27.3 -> home.egenet.com.tr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Aug 1999 05:17:05 -0400 Received: from tk-os2.egenet.com.tr (tk-os2.egenet.com.tr [195.174.27.7]) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA02302; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:18:25 +0400 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199908170818.MAA02302@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "support@casio.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:15:18 -0100 (TUR) Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: IR Oddities List-Unsubscribe: I got a Casio PCX 100 watch as a birthday present :) This watch has an infrared eye and exchanges appointment, phone #, etc information with your PC. Except if you have a Thinkpad 600 apparently. I am at BIOS level 1.06, and it seems my serial port does not work (I never used it before). The watch comes with an IR adaptor that plugs into our serial port, which I cannot use apparently. It says you can use your laptop's IR port. That doesnt work either; after trying all options. I then tried the watch on a friend's PC, plugging the provided-IR-adaptor, and the watch works fine; it was able to "talk" to my friend's computer. It must be some compatibility thing with the software, because I can print via IR. So I know Thinkpad's IR port works fine. Really odd. -turgut -- turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. Find-It! Web Search Engine: http://find.egenet.com.tr http://bbsturk.bbs.tr Windows Error 044: You haven't yet paid for the bugfix package. From cph Tue Aug 17 08:49:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA15040 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:49:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01118; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:48:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01002; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00987; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.251.195 -> f61.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:48:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 30972 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 1999 12:48:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19990817124823.30971.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 203.12.97.70 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 05:48:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [203.12.97.70] From: "Benjamin Koh" To: turgut@egenet.com.tr, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IR Oddities Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 05:48:21 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Turgut, Is your serial port disabled? My 560X came with it disabled and IR enabled. The default setup makes the serial port and IR port use the same IRQ so they are mutually exclusive. To make both active, you have to change the IRQ (usually 5 or 7) used by whichever port is active (IR) to something not currently used (such as 9), then reboot and enable the disabled (serial) port, which will then use the IRQ previously used by the first active (IR) port. Reboot, and both will be active simultaneously. As for your thinkpad and watch not communicating via IR, your watch may not be using IrDA to talk to your thinkpad. I have a Zaurus ZR-3500X that links via IR to my 560X, and I *think* I don't use IrDA - the software is set to link via Sharp's proprietary ASK protocol or something. My 560X is not with me so I can't check. Anyway, make sure that your software is using the same IR protocol as the watch. Good luck, and let us know how it goes. Benjamin >From: "turgut kalfaoglu" >Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" >To: "support@casio.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" > >Subject: IR Oddities >Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:15:18 -0100 (TUR) > >I got a Casio PCX 100 watch as a birthday present :) > >This watch has an infrared eye and exchanges appointment, phone #, etc >information with your PC. > >Except if you have a Thinkpad 600 apparently. > >I am at BIOS level 1.06, and it seems my serial port does not work (I never >used it >before). The watch comes with an IR adaptor that plugs into our serial >port, which I >cannot use apparently. > >It says you can use your laptop's IR port. That doesnt work either; after >trying all >options. > >I then tried the watch on a friend's PC, plugging the provided-IR-adaptor, >and the >watch works fine; it was able to "talk" to my friend's computer. > >It must be some compatibility thing with the software, because I can print >via IR. So I >know Thinkpad's IR port works fine. > >Really odd. -turgut > >-- >turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP >signature. >Find-It! Web Search Engine: http://find.egenet.com.tr >http://bbsturk.bbs.tr > > >Windows Error 044: You haven't yet paid for the bugfix package. > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From cph Tue Aug 17 10:23:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA15570 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:23:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07391; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:21:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07083; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from castle.shownets.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07068; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from castle.shownets.net (209.117.163.253 -> castle.shownets.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:21:14 -0400 Received: (qmail 67401 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 14:21:11 -0000 Received: from client60230.speedfactory.net (HELO buechner) (216.0.60.230) by castle.shownets.net with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 14:21:11 -0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990817102051.009f8100@mail.shownets.net> X-Sender: dbuechn@mail.shownets.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:24:16 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: David Buechner Subject: TP 390E Hibernation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I have a Thinkpad 390E that will no longer hibernate. I have Win98 on a large (4gig or so) FAT32 partition, with FreeBSD on another partition. I was able to hibernate with no problem, them did some partition resize/moves with Partition Magic. Since then the system will not hibernate. If I hit Fn+F12 I get into suspend, not hibernate. I've tried deleting the hibernation file and recreating it, deleting the hibernation file and letting the phdisk call from AUTOEXEC.BAT recreate it. All with no luck. Any suggestions? Thanks! David From cph Tue Aug 17 18:49:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA19136 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:49:13 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15986; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:48:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15864; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbox.uq.edu.au (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15849; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbox.uq.edu.au (130.102.2.14 -> dingo.cc.uq.edu.au) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:47:54 -0400 Received: from postgrad714-1.anatomy.uq.edu.au ([130.102.138.82]) by mailbox.uq.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA23371 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:47:47 +1000 (GMT+1000) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990818084908.008131c0@dingo.uq.edu.au> X-Sender: andpaul@dingo.uq.edu.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:49:08 +1000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Darren J. Paul" Subject: re old Dock II question, and posing a new one. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hi everyone, I see discussion about a fault in the Dock II. I have one hooked up to my 760XL, with external keyboard and mouse, modem and internal SCSI drives. Could someone repeat the original question please (I came in late), as maybe I can help? On another Dock II issue, can someone please tell me what type of plug IBM used for the external SCSI II connection. It is much smaller than the usual Centronics 50 pin connector. IBM Australia has been no help at all (after 20 minutes of solid arguing to convince then that a) it was a SCSI port and that the Dock II actually had SCSI and b) no, it was not a Select-a-dock II, but an earlier unit, and yes IBM did indeed manufacture it!!!!!; they told me they had no idea about items that old, and that I should ask a dealer!!). Thanks. Darren J. Paul From cph Tue Aug 17 21:05:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA19866 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:05:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23103; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:04:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22844; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22824; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (204.181.57.8 -> p57008.syspac.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:03:57 -0400 Received: (from jones@localhost) by box3.pyrrhusoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id SAA02689; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:03:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:03:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199908180103.SAA02689@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> From: David Jones To: D.Paul@Mailbox.uq.edu.au CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: re old Dock II question, and posing a new one. List-Unsubscribe: Actually, the external SCSI port on the Dock II is a *standard* Mini D50F. There is absolutely nothing abnormal about it. Sorry to hear that you got the proverbial run around from IBM Australia. Regards, David Jones From cph Tue Aug 17 23:14:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA20305 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:14:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29127; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:12:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28953; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28938; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.8 -> dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:12:51 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA23013; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:12:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908180312.WAA23013@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Received: from sdx-ca42-20.ix.netcom.com(198.211.51.20) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma022914; Tue Aug 17 22:12:17 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Carlos de la Puente" , "Thinkpad" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:12:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.950) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fw: Dock II : Keyboard issue List-Unsubscribe: Ok. But it was turned on. Only the keyboard would not work, and the fan. The monitor came up fine. On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:45:56 -0400, Carlos de la Puente wrote: >I believe the fan will only work if the ThinkPad is docked and turned on. > >Carlos > >-----Original Message----- >From: Allan Ballard >To: Carlos de la Puente ; Thinkpad > >Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 7:40 PM >Subject: Re: Fw: Dock II : Keyboard issue > > >>I am sending the unit back; another is on its way. >> >>In addition to the previous problems, I noticed that >>the fan is not working. >> >>The unit may have received a few hard knocks in >>shipment. >> >>Allan >> >>On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:43:47 -0400, Carlos de la Puente wrote: >> >>>>When the unit is on, a sort of semi circle shows on the LCD readout. >>>>Once, a quick message flashed on the monitor, something about >>>>bad things for scsi. >>>> >>> >>>That means that the Dock II is working. >>> >>>The "bad SCSI" message can occur due to different reasons and depending >who >>>is issuing the message. If it is Windows that issues the error msg, then >>>that ThinkPad may have been used on a Dock I that has a different type of >>>SCSI. If it happens before Windows loads, then it's either bad termination >>>or using active termination (if you have SCSI devices installed). You >could >>>disable SCSI if you don't have any SCSI devices. >>> >>>None of this answers the question about the keyboard and mouse. You could >>>try IBM's hints & tips at: >>>http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?page=3546001&lang=en_US&x=2&y=4 >>> >>>and see if the answer is there. >>> >>>Regards, >>>Carlos >>> >> >> >> >> > From cph Wed Aug 18 01:00:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA20653 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 01:00:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04714; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 01:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:59:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04490; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs3.bu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04477; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:59:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from acs3.bu.edu (128.197.153.30 -> ACS3.BU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:59:07 -0400 Received: (from aturley@localhost) by acs3.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.v1.0.ACS)/) id AAA129306 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:59:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199908180459.AAA129306@acs3.bu.edu> Subject: 755CX: 800x600 doesn't seem to work for me To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:59:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I just purchased a 755CX. It's a beautiful machine. I installed Linux and everything went very well. Even my network card worked the first time! The only thing I need to make it perfect is to get the display to work with X in 800x600 mode. I was told by onsale.com that it is the type of 755CX that supports 800x600 mode, so I've been taking their word for it, but is there anything I can check, like a model number or something, to make sure that I have what I think I have? Anyway, I've been operating under the assumption that I got the right laptop. I've looked at all of the sites that talk about running Xwindows in 800x600 mode. They all talk about the command 'ps2 mode3x on'. This computer came with no software (OK, they were nice enough to format the hard drive and put command.com in there so that it would boot into MS-DOS), so I went to the IBM site and downloaded the files to get, among other things, ps2.exe for the 755CX. I installed the program, and then typed 'ps2 mode3x on'. The screen went blank, then it came back with the message "Type ps2 ?". When I type 'ps2 ?', I don't even see mode3x as an option. I also tried to download a utility >from http://www.yy.cs.keio.ac.jp/~sanpei/how2800x600.html that is supposed to put the laptop in this mode when it is run in Linux, but I could not download it because the ftp server is down. So, I was wondering if anybody here has experienced anything similar to what I'm going through. Also, if anybody has ps2.exe on a thinkpad 755CX and would like to e-mail it to me, that would be great. Or if you know which files I need to download to get a version of ps2.exe with the mode3x option, I'd love to hear that. Or, if you have that Linux program that does the same thing or know where I could get it, let me know. Or, if I've completely missed something very important (a strong possiblity), tell me. Thanks. andy -- >84*>:#v_55+"ude.ub@yelruta">:#,_@>188*+>\02p\12p\:22p#v_$ 55+,1- v ^ 0 v +1\ _^#-+*< >22g02g*"_@"*-!1- #v_v> >:>::3g: ,\188 ^^ -1\g21\g22; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:26:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21460; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:24:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20899; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20738; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (132.230.150.1 -> avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:24:22 -0400 Received: from asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.167.101]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA14441 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:24:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) id LAA19643 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:24:01 +0200 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908180924.LAA19643@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: Re: Screen Dims after display blanks In-Reply-To: from Derek Seaman at "Aug 14, 99 03:30:30 pm" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:24:01 +0200 (MDT) From: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Reply-to: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Phone: +49-(0)761-203-8274 Fax: +49-(0)761-203-8262 Address: Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg, Institut fuer Informatik Address: Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello Derek, > I've noticed for quite a while now that on my 600E if I let the screen > blank, and then wake it up, the screen is noticebly dimmer. Using the slide > control to crank the brightness up all the way doesn't help. If I shutdown > and restart the screen is back to normal brightness. > > Is this a standard 'feature' or a bug? Probably a feature --- the same happens to me on a 701C running Linux (so it can't be due to Windows either). It only happens if I blank the screen (is it Fn-F3?), not when suspending or hibernating, in which case the screen is instantly at its normal brightness. It usually comes back to full brightness after a short time though... Sven -- _ _ _____ Artificial Intelligence Unit | | | |/ /_ _| University of Hamburg | |__| ' < | | phone: +49 (0)40 42883-2576 Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30 |____|_|\_\___| fax : +49 (0)40 42883-2572 D-22527 Hamburg mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-freiburg.de www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke From cph Wed Aug 18 05:38:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA21627 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:38:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22643; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:37:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22532; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22516; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (132.230.150.1 -> avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:37:23 -0400 Received: from asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.167.101]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA15036 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:36:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) id LAA19669 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:36:14 +0200 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908180936.LAA19669@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: Re: 755CX: 800x600 doesn't seem to work for me In-Reply-To: <199908180459.AAA129306@acs3.bu.edu> from "aturley@bu.edu" at "Aug 18, 99 00:59:03 am" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:36:14 +0200 (MDT) From: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Reply-to: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Phone: +49-(0)761-203-8274 Fax: +49-(0)761-203-8262 Address: Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg, Institut fuer Informatik Address: Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello Andy, > I just purchased a 755CX. It's a beautiful machine. I installed Linux and > everything went very well. Even my network card worked the first time! The > only thing I need to make it perfect is to get the display to work with X in > 800x600 mode. [...] > Anyway, I've been operating under the assumption that I got the right laptop. > I've looked at all of the sites that talk about running Xwindows in 800x600 > mode. They all talk about the command 'ps2 mode3x on'. Are you sure? "ps2 mode3x on" is, as far as I can tell, a DOS/Windows program, so wont help you with running X under Linux. Possibly X under DOS/Windows, but not Linux... > Or, if you have that Linux program that does the same thing or know > where I could get it, let me know. Or, if I've completely missed > something very important (a strong possiblity), tell me. This is in fact very likely --- I assume you have never before installed Linux / XWindow (not XWindow_s_, there is no "s")? The traditional way to do this is to edit /etc/X*config (XF86config, I would guess). This unfortunately requires that you know what you are doing... However, most modern distributions come with programs that can edit this file for you. Such a tool might be called xf86config, or sax, or somesuch (I'm the hand-editing kind of guy, so I don't really remember the names). Simply look into the manual for your distribution, or possibly wade through the output of either man -k config | less or man -k X | less or in yast (assuming SuSE. It's the program used for installing additional packages), have a look at the different X-programs on offer... Hope this helps Sven -- _ _ _____ Artificial Intelligence Unit | | | |/ /_ _| University of Hamburg | |__| ' < | | phone: +49 (0)40 42883-2576 Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30 |____|_|\_\___| fax : +49 (0)40 42883-2572 D-22527 Hamburg mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-freiburg.de www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke From cph Wed Aug 18 05:50:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA21645 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:50:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23362; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:49:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23251; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23224; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (132.230.150.1 -> avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:49:31 -0400 Received: from asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.167.101]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA15573; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:49:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) id LAA19720; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:49:04 +0200 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908180949.LAA19720@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: Re: 701 and LCD weirdness In-Reply-To: <37B82E73.2C664C7A@icanect.net> from Bill Morrow at "Aug 16, 99 11:29:55 am" To: penzance@icanect.net (Bill Morrow) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:49:04 +0200 (MDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Reply-to: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Phone: +49-(0)761-203-8274 Fax: +49-(0)761-203-8262 Address: Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg, Institut fuer Informatik Address: Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > > My 701 is starting to exhibit some major display weirdness. At > > random intervals the screen will just suddenly go completely > > white.[...] > This is a major wear point, IMO, fot all notebooks.. the cable > between the base and top wears out after Xthousand flex cycles... [...] > i'm not sure if the cable can be had by itself, but i rather think > not, I wouldn't know about IBM USA, but my experience with IBM Germany is that you can get everything for which you know the number (FRU?). And vice versa: no number, no replacement, which apparently means that you can buy the HDD-caddy in about half a dozen different pieces, but can not get the cable at all (or so I was told. I didn't look for a number on the cable, since I didn't need it). So I'm pretty positive that if you do know the number, you can get the part (caveat: IBM Germany is only selling to dealers, and pricing is completely arbitrary, often with huge, complicated parts being much cheaper than small, simple ones). Hope this helps Sven -- _ _ _____ Artificial Intelligence Unit | | | |/ /_ _| University of Hamburg | |__| ' < | | phone: +49 (0)40 42883-2576 Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30 |____|_|\_\___| fax : +49 (0)40 42883-2572 D-22527 Hamburg mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-freiburg.de www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke From cph Wed Aug 18 07:21:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA22044 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:21:08 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26602; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:19:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26387; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from interzone.ucc.ie (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26366; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from interzone.ucc.ie (143.239.1.134 -> interzone.ucc.ie) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:18:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (manning@localhost) by interzone.ucc.ie (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17942; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:18:48 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:18:46 +0100 (BST) From: Joseph Manning To: Sven Utcke cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Joseph Manning Subject: Re: 755CX: 800x600 doesn't seem to work for me In-Reply-To: <199908180936.LAA19669@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Sven Utcke wrote: >> > Anyway, I've been operating under the assumption that I got the right laptop. >> > I've looked at all of the sites that talk about running Xwindows in 800x600 >> > mode. They all talk about the command 'ps2 mode3x on'. >> >> Are you sure? "ps2 mode3x on" is, as far as I can tell, a DOS/Windows >> program, so wont help you with running X under Linux. Possibly X >> under DOS/Windows, but not Linux... Yes, 'ps2' is indeed a DOS/Windows program, but it *can* be used to put the TP-755CX into 800x600 mode for running X under Linux. The idea is to boot into DOS, run 'ps2 mode3x on', and then boot into Linux using the 'loadlin' program. I have been running X under Linux on the TP-755CX for a few years using this scheme, and it works just fine (alright, so it's a little roundabout, but once Linux and X are up and running, everything's smooth). A very interesting and promising prospect is the 'tpctl' program being developed by Thomas Hood: http://jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu/~thood/tpctlhome.htm This may eventually remove the need to use the 'ps2' program, and even to have DOS installed on the TP-755CX. And finally, I'll second the thoughts of the original poster: the TP-755CX is a very fine computer indeed! Cheers, Joseph ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Joseph Manning / Computer Science / University College Cork / manning@cs.ucc.ie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cph Wed Aug 18 10:26:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA22791 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:26:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07859; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:24:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07555; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07528; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:23:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:23:58 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a189.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.189]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA08512; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908181423.KAA08512@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a189.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.189] 209.198.80.189 Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:57:44 -0400 To: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199908180924.LAA19643@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: Re: Screen Dims after display blanks X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >Probably a feature --- the same happens to me on a 701C running Linux (so >it can't be due to Windows either). It only happens if I blank the >screen (is it Fn-F3?), not when suspending or hibernating, in which case >the screen is instantly at its normal brightness. It usually comes back >to full brightness after a short time though... I just tried this on an old 560 and a 600 running OS2. Neither of them do this. The screens are almost instantly, at full brightness. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph Wed Aug 18 11:51:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA23368 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:51:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14982; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:50:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14797; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14782; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (132.187.1.7 -> wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:50:12 -0400 Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.2.12]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/uniwue-MM-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA24148 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:50:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 18 Aug 99 17:50:05 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.44); 18 Aug 99 17:50:03 +0200 Received: from mail.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.87) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 18 Aug 99 17:50:00 +0200 Received: from babylon5 (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2] ) by mail.stelarcom.de (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:51:39 -0100 Message-Id: <199908181751.3932344.8@mail.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:51:36 +0200 (MST) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Siemens S25 via Irda? List-Unsubscribe: Hi! Currently I've to configure a ThinkPad to talk to a Siemens S25 handy via IRDA. Currently I get no connection at all, that is, the handy doesn't answer to anything. IR-port is on and works pritty well with my Palm III, so that's not the problem. Also the S25 works, as it connects without any problems with my Palm. Any suggestions? BTW: I run OS/2 Warp 4.0 FP9 on a 385ED and on a 760XD. -- CU/2 (( In the beginning was The Word Alexander Wagner )) and The Word was Content-type: text/plain Team OS/2 Franken (( _________________________________________________________________________ -=[ Team OS/2 Germany #294 ]=- Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or A.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for replies, even if some other addresses may appear. Thanks! Get my PGP-key with Subject: Request for PGP-Keys /*********************************************************\ < Join the SETI project: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu > \*********************************************************/ From cph Wed Aug 18 13:43:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA24070 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:43:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23945; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:29:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22930; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22901; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:28:51 -0400 Received: from denhall (tc5-17.ismi.net [207.51.197.22]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA27286; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004001bee9a7$994811c0$16c533cf@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: , Subject: Re: 755CX: 800x600 doesn't seem to work for me Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:29:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: I'm sorry to report to any of you buyers of 755CX units through OnSale that the units that DATAPATH Technologies is selling ARE NOT capable of 800x600 resolution....AND, they do not have ONBOARD SOUND, as was advertised at OnSale. The 755CX's that they are selling are #9545-SBK, and these units do not have the DSP card which is required for Sound/Modem/800x600. The 755CX model with the card is #9545-HBE. As of my last check, the OnSale description now reads "No Sound", and has changed resolution to 640x480... If you happen to need any upgrades for your 755CX (assuming you keep it), I would be happy to supply you if you needed: RAM cards, HD's, Docking Stations, or darned near anything else for the 755 series. Best wishes, Denis Hall, Michigan 810.229.2881 -----Original Message----- From: aturley@bu.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 11:59 PM Subject: 755CX: 800x600 doesn't seem to work for me >I just purchased a 755CX. It's a beautiful machine. I installed Linux and >everything went very well. Even my network card worked the first time! The >only thing I need to make it perfect is to get the display to work with X in >800x600 mode. I was told by onsale.com that it is the type of 755CX that >supports 800x600 mode, so I've been taking their word for it, but is there >anything I can check, like a model number or something, to make sure that I >have what I think I have? > >Anyway, I've been operating under the assumption that I got the right laptop. >I've looked at all of the sites that talk about running Xwindows in 800x600 >mode. They all talk about the command 'ps2 mode3x on'. This computer came >with no software (OK, they were nice enough to format the hard drive and put >command.com in there so that it would boot into MS-DOS), so I went to the IBM >site and downloaded the files to get, among other things, ps2.exe for the >755CX. I installed the program, and then typed 'ps2 mode3x on'. The screen >went blank, then it came back with the message "Type ps2 ?". When I type 'ps2 >?', I don't even see mode3x as an option. I also tried to download a utility >from http://www.yy.cs.keio.ac.jp/~sanpei/how2800x600.html that is supposed to >put the laptop in this mode when it is run in Linux, but I could not download >it because the ftp server is down. > >So, I was wondering if anybody here has experienced anything similar to what >I'm going through. Also, if anybody has ps2.exe on a thinkpad 755CX and would >like to e-mail it to me, that would be great. Or if you know which files I >need to download to get a version of ps2.exe with the mode3x option, I'd love >to hear that. Or, if you have that Linux program that does the same thing or >know where I could get it, let me know. Or, if I've completely missed >something very important (a strong possiblity), tell me. > >Thanks. > >andy >-- >>84*>:#v_55+"ude.ub@yelruta">:#,_@>188*+>\02p\12p\:22p#v_$ 55+,1- v > ^ 0 v +1\ _^#-+*< >22g02g*"_@"*-!1- #v_v> > >:>::3g: ,\188 ^^ -1\g21\g22________________________________@_________________________________^ p3\"@":< > From cph Wed Aug 18 14:18:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA24255 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:18:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27245; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:17:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27014; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26993; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.175 -> web132.yahoomail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:17:15 -0400 Message-ID: <19990818181745.10285.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.140.33.201] by web132.yahoomail.com; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:17:45 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:17:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Button Reply-To: bbutton@oma.com Subject: Installing NT on 770X 7AU To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I've about had it with Windows 98, and I'd like to junk it for NT. Does anyone have any words of wisdom about how the 770X performs with NT on it, or any complications I may find when loading it? I also have the DVD player with the hardware decoder board -- can I still use either of these if I load NT? Thanks a bunch, bab === Brian Button bbutton@oma.com Sr. Consultant Object Mentor, Inc. Products Review Editor C++ Report Magazine _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph Wed Aug 18 14:47:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA24493 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:47:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00124; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:46:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29750; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29734; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (165.87.194.243 -> out5.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:46:07 -0400 Received: from FNORD770X (slip-32-101-77-184.dc.us.ibm.net [32.101.77.184]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA77062; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:45:53 GMT From: "Gregory Harris" To: Cc: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: Installing NT on 770X 7AU Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:45:48 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990818181745.10285.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> List-Unsubscribe: Hi Brian, I can't comment specifically on NT4, since rather than install this, I tried the Win2000 Beta instead. After downloading the appropriate drivers from the IBM website, the install went perfectly and I'm yet to have any problems. Finally we have plug and play under NT! It even installed and configured default protocols the first time I plugged in my 3Com 10/100 lan card. This is _not_ your normal MS Beta release. I have not booted from 98 since my initial install, although I have yet to get around to removing it from the disk. I may eventually require it to run a game that does not run under 2000. Greg Harris An Extremely happy Developer running Win2000 on a 770X / 13.7 / 256 (128 was fine for 2000) -----Original Message----- From: Brian Button [mailto:bbutton@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 2:18 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Installing NT on 770X 7AU I've about had it with Windows 98, and I'd like to junk it for NT. Does anyone have any words of wisdom about how the 770X performs with NT on it, or any complications I may find when loading it? I also have the DVD player with the hardware decoder board -- can I still use either of these if I load NT? Thanks a bunch, bab === Brian Button bbutton@oma.com Sr. Consultant Object Mentor, Inc. Products Review Editor C++ Report Magazine _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph Wed Aug 18 14:52:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA24529 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:52:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00639; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:51:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00534; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00511; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.74 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:51:26 -0400 Received: from 770z (user-37kbt55.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.244.165]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23899; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990818144732.00946ee0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: rchalk@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:49:45 -0400 To: bbutton@oma.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Richard Chalk Subject: Re: Installing NT on 770X 7AU In-Reply-To: <19990818181745.10285.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: WindowsNT 4.0 does not support DVD. At the present time, neither does Windows2000 (AKA 5.0) but indications are that it will in the future. With an earlier 770ED I had, it was not possible to go into Standby with a PC card in the slot, unless you stop the card first. Other than that, it should work fine. Richard At 11:17 AM 8/18/99 -0700, Brian Button wrote: >I've about had it with Windows 98, and I'd like to >junk it for NT. Does anyone have any words of wisdom >about how the 770X performs with NT on it, or any >complications I may find when loading it? I also have >the DVD player with the hardware decoder board -- can >I still use either of these if I load NT? > >Thanks a bunch, > >bab > > >=== >Brian Button bbutton@oma.com >Sr. Consultant Object Mentor, Inc. >Products Review Editor C++ Report Magazine >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph Thu Aug 19 02:11:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA27558 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:11:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06176; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:08:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05895; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05874; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:08:41 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p40.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.133]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA19846; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908190606.XAA19846@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Wmludlow99@aol.com" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 18 Aug 99 23:04:46 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: NEED STUFF FOR A 355C I'M GIVING TO GRANDKIDS List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:40:41 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Wmludlow99@aol.com wrote: > >> Pardon this message that may be considered SPAM by some. It's not meant that >> way. I rcently bought a 355C intending it to be given to my grandkids. I need >> to know if anyone would have, first, a 16 MB memory strip that would fit that >> box. I think that the 345 through 360 should all take the same memory. The >> OEM Part # on the 16 is:92G7424. > >yes, they do exist.. or DID some months ago.. >but I must verify current price and so on.. > The RAM card shouldn't be more than $60 (I paid around 50 for my 16MB card for my 750, and that was parity memory). > >> Second, I need a sound card for the 355. I almost forgot that I have a 3 Gb. I might have a sound card laying around, but it really only has drivers for Windows 3.1x (it's an IBM PCMCIA card). >> 21/2 IBM hard drive that has the wrong connection for my 701, > The 3GB drive should work fine provided you upgrade your 355 to the latest BIOS revision, and install the drive in the shell for the drive currently in that system. I have a 3.2GB on my 750 which works perfectly. >> and I really >> don't want to try it with the 355. If anyone has a larger than 250 Mb.hard >> drive that might fit the 355, > >see above.. > I might have an extra 340MB drive laying around. > >> let me know. I think the stock one is only 250 >> Mb. Might contact me if anyone has a worn out 355 or 360 they would sell. I still have my 355, but I've taken most of the parts out of it (it was my first ThinkPad). You might try on ebay, I know they have tons of ThinkPad stuff - that was where I got my 3 of my machines from. >> That way I could scrounge some of the parts that it might need. BTW, the 355 >> does a nice job with an IBM VGA monitor i had lying around. A good thing. The >> screen on the 355 is about the smallest ever made. Thanks for reading this. >> Yeah, 8.4" Active Matrix. It was a really nice screen, considering it was active matrix, but it was way too tiny for me. The machine that replaced my broken (long story) 355C was my 701, and I loved having a screen 2" bigger. Paul pkhoury@loop.com From cph Thu Aug 19 02:21:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA27575 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:21:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06808; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:17:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06637; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06624; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:16:54 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p40.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.133]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA20121 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908190615.XAA20121@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 18 Aug 99 22:56:55 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Windows 2000 Beta 3 on ThinkPads? List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone played with Win 2K Beta 3 on their ThinkPad? I'm trying to install again (with a partition for the hibernation file). It seems to run well, though a little slow, on my 760ED. Just was wondering if anyone out there is trying it out (the server version is even more fun). Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com From cph Thu Aug 19 03:35:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA27771 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:35:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12296; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:32:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11785; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11762; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:32:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 26482 invoked by uid 66); 19 Aug 1999 07:36:01 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Thu Aug 19 07:36:01 1999 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id 8891062ED; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:46:01 +0200 (CEST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Path: not-for-mail From: Harald Milz Newsgroups: local.ml.thinkpad Subject: Re: 2nd battery Date: 19 Aug 1999 05:46:01 GMT Organization: Linux.DE Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7pg5mp$glv$2@seneca.muc.de> References: <199908141241.HAA01217@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Trace: seneca.muc.de 935041561 17087 127.0.0.1 (19 Aug 1999 05:46:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@seneca.muc.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Aug 1999 05:46:01 GMT X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980618 (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.7 (i586)) Sender: news@seneca.muc.de List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id DAA12296 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA27772 Allan Ballard wrote: > Is it 'better' to put a 2nd battery into the ultrabay > alongside the first (two batteries in the unit) or > to insert the 2nd battery as soon as the first > gets low on power? Does one method provide > longer battery power than the other? The second battery if inserted isn´t touched before the first one says it´s empty. Hence no difference. -- "Ah, you know the type. They like to blame it all on the Jews or the Blacks, 'cause if they couldn't, they'd have to wake up to the fact that life's one big, scary, glorious, complex and ultimately unfathomable crapshoot -- and the only reason THEY can't seem to keep up is they're a bunch of misfits and losers." -- A analysis of Neo-Nazis, from "The Badger" comic From cph Thu Aug 19 05:34:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA28039 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:34:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22561; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:32:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22345; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22322; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (195.174.27.3 -> home.egenet.com.tr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:32:18 -0400 Received: from tk-os2.egenet.com.tr (tk-os2.egenet.com.tr [195.174.27.7]) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18635 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:34:28 +0400 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199908190834.MAA18635@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:32:03 -0100 (TUR) Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: IR: Casio Blues List-Unsubscribe: Well, I wrote to IBM, they said, contact Casio. I contacted Casio, no response (submitted their form from their web site!). Lovely. Problem is, Casio watch "talks" Infrared with the laptop. TP 600. Built-in IR works with printers, but not with the watch. Another problem, Casio's application requires Windows. Watch came with its IR port that plugs into serial port. Serial port on the TP600 does not send or receive anything; DTR is always down (except, curiously, when you remove/add the port to Windoze, it enables DTR for a few seconds, then turns it off). I tried disabling the built-in IR port, I disabled the PCMCIA slots, etc. nothing helped. No IRQ/IO conflicts that I can see, but the serial port is still not working right. I get into it with Hyperterm, and it doesnt turn on the DTR. Nothing I type is echoed, and ATA is ignored, etc. sigh.. -t -- turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. Find-It! Web Search Engine: http://find.egenet.com.tr http://bbsturk.bbs.tr Windows Error 02A: You are about to exit Windows 95. Do you want to play another game? From cph Thu Aug 19 05:54:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA28076 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:54:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23320; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:52:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23080; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23062; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (195.174.27.3 -> home.egenet.com.tr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:52:19 -0400 Received: from tk-os2.egenet.com.tr (tk-os2.egenet.com.tr [195.174.27.7]) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA31510 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:54:30 +0400 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199908190854.MAA31510@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:52:04 -0100 (TUR) Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: IR SOLVED List-Unsubscribe: Ok; it's a Windows problem.. I just got IR to work properly! Then I rebooted, and now it doesn't work again! :(( I love Windows 97 2nd edition, and all the Microsoft wealth that goes with it! :( -turgut -- turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. Find-It! Web Search Engine: http://find.egenet.com.tr http://bbsturk.bbs.tr Windows Error 03A: Error In Progress; Please Wait.... From cph Thu Aug 19 06:27:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA28322 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:27:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24644; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:26:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24442; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.softwarespectrum.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24429; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.softwarespectrum.com (198.200.41.18 -> mail2.swspectrum.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:26:05 -0400 Received: by SSIAM008 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:22:46 -0500 Message-ID: <6DB879346436D21198C500A0C9E1E1236D6AB7@ssiwgn03.swspectrum.co.nz> From: Nathan Mercer To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Windows 2000 Beta 3 on ThinkPads? Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:36:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Yep - Win2000 is great. Much better functionality than Win9x/NT4 for laptops. I especially love the offline folders. I'm currently running the newly released build 2099 on my 770ED, and have also had good success with beta3 and RC1 (2072) Cheers Nathan -- MCSE+I MCT +64-21-375503 Software Spectrum - Professional Services Wellington, New Zealand http://www.softwarespectrum.com "...many New Zealanders live in trees and many still climb around on all fours, very different from a European who walks on two legs and does not live in trees, but wanders the streets..." Adolf Hitler, 1925 > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Khoury [mailto:pkhoury@loop.com] > Sent: Thursday, 19 August 1999 10:57 > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: Windows 2000 Beta 3 on ThinkPads? > > > Has anyone played with Win 2K Beta 3 on their ThinkPad? > I'm trying to install again (with a partition for the > hibernation file). > It seems to run well, though a little slow, on my 760ED. Just > was wondering if anyone out there is trying it out (the server > version is even more fun). From cph Thu Aug 19 08:59:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA28540 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:59:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00925; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:57:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00706; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww183.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00693; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww183.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.83 -> ww183.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:57:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 5876 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 1999 12:57:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19990819125713.5875.qmail@ww183.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.83 by ww183 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.53) on Thu Aug 19 12:57:13 GMT 1999 Date: 19 Aug 99 07:57:13 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Paul Khoury , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Beta 3 on ThinkPads? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.53) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA28541 "Paul Khoury" wrote: > Has anyone played with Win 2K Beta 3 on their ThinkPad? I put Win2K on my 770 a few months back. All major components installed without problem (PCMCIA, sound, display, etc.). I don't use it enough to really give a review. Just one caveat: If you're installing on a PC with multiple hard drives, make sure that you don't have another NT4 partition. NT5 (aka Win2K) is nice enough to 'upgrade' your NTFS4 partition to NTFS5, thereby making it unreadable by NT4. Trust me, I learned this the hard way. Fortunately I recovered everything by copying my whole partition to another PC with NT5 and then rebuilt the partition with NT4. HTH, Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Thu Aug 19 10:47:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA28977 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:47:57 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08278; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:45:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07998; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07976; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (207.115.58.198 -> pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:45:34 -0400 Received: from defiant (TXARB102-19.splitrock.net [209.253.58.19]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA120430 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:45:30 -0400 Message-ID: <001301beea51$684bc800$133afdd1@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles McDaniel" From: "Charles McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Beta 3 on ThinkPads? Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:44:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Where do you get Win 2K at..?? is it downloadable..?? I have a 755 cx will it run on it..?? Thanks Charles McDaniel -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bell To: Paul Khoury ; ThinkPad List Date: Thursday, August 19, 1999 8:03 AM Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Beta 3 on ThinkPads? "Paul Khoury" wrote: > Has anyone played with Win 2K Beta 3 on their ThinkPad? I put Win2K on my 770 a few months back. All major components installed without problem (PCMCIA, sound, display, etc.). I don't use it enough to really give a review. Just one caveat: If you're installing on a PC with multiple hard drives, make sure that you don't have another NT4 partition. NT5 (aka Win2K) is nice enough to 'upgrade' your NTFS4 partition to NTFS5, thereby making it unreadable by NT4. Trust me, I learned this the hard way. Fortunately I recovered everything by copying my whole partition to another PC with NT5 and then rebuilt the partition with NT4. HTH, Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Thu Aug 19 11:00:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA29036 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:00:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09582; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:59:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09360; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acs3.bu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09345; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:58:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from acs3.bu.edu (128.197.153.30 -> ACS3.BU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:58:58 -0400 Received: (from aturley@localhost) by acs3.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.v1.0.ACS)/) id KAA127818 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:58:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199908191458.KAA127818@acs3.bu.edu> Subject: thanks for the help on my new 755CX To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:58:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well, thanks for the help on my 755CX. It turns out that they did sent me an SDK (no sound, no 800x600). I finally noticed the part number, which had almost been completely worn off (or sanded off by somebody trying to pull a fast one). I've gotten in touch with Onsale and Intellesale, not that I expect much to come of that. I might try to suspend payment, but who knows what will happen. It's still not a bad computer, just not quite the bargain I thought it was. Anyway, thanks again for the input. andy -- >84*>:#v_55+"ude.ub@yelruta">:#,_@>188*+>\02p\12p\:22p#v_$ 55+,1- v ^ 0 v +1\ _^#-+*< >22g02g*"_@"*-!1- #v_v> >:>::3g: ,\188 ^^ -1\g21\g22; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:47:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13199; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:44:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12860; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0d.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12801; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0d.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.33 -> www0d.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:44:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 12078 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 1999 15:15:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19990819151517.12077.qmail@www0d.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.33 by www0d via web-mailer(M3.2.0.53) on Thu Aug 19 15:15:17 GMT 1999 Date: 19 Aug 99 10:15:17 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Charles McDaniel , Thinkpad Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Beta 3 on ThinkPads? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.53) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA29296 "Charles McDaniel" wrote: > Where do you get Win 2K at..?? > is it downloadable..?? I have a 755 cx will it run on it..?? > Thanks Charles McDaniel As far as I know, you need to either be a MS beta tester or subscribe to MSDN in order to get Win2K. For MSDN subscribers, it is available on CD or via download. The public may also be able to purchase a beta copy, but I'm not too familiar with that. I got it because my company subscribes to MSDN and is a MS Solution Provider. I doubt that Win2K would run on a 755Cx. If I remember correctly, that's a P-75. I think MS recommends something on the order of a P-166 as the base machine, but I could be wrong. By the way, were you the person who just acquired the 755Cx and couldn't get 800x600 to work? I find it hard to believe that IBM made any Cx model that couldn't do 800x600. I have a 755Cs (486DX2-50 and older than the Cx) that can do that resolution, and that has a 10.4" passive LCD. Good luck, Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Thu Aug 19 12:33:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA29495 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:33:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17097; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:32:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16935; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16914; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:32:29 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA06965 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:31:38 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199908191631.LAA06965@europa.veggie.com> Subject: travelling to Germany To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:31:38 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Greetings all. I plan to travel to Hamburg, Germany in about a month and will take my TP560x along. My questions deal with power supply and modem usage. Is there something special I need to consider regarding use of the TP over there? Will it be enough for me to get a plug adapter (i.e., something simple I stick my power cable into which in turn plugs into the German outlet), or do I have to worry about power conversion issues etc.. I have the standard TP650x hardware and power supply that came with the system. I will be using my floppy drive there too for frequent backup purposes (I'm working on my dissertation - hence the slight paranoia) Also, what about modem usage? I've got an old trusty IBM Home & Away 14.4 ethernet/modem PCMCIA combo card. If I recall correctly from the time when used to live in Germany, phones were not connected with the "normal" (RJ 111?) plug used here in the US. Anyone have any suggestions how I can manage to telnet over to my UI account for e-mail while over there? Are there any public unix networks in Germany (preferably in Hamburg) I can dial into - assuming I can manage to set up my hardware? Any suggestions (in German too) very much welcome. Thanks, Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Thu Aug 19 13:43:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA29883 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:43:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23245; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:41:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22974; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22877; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (195.174.27.3 -> home.egenet.com.tr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:40:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (turgut@localhost) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA12914; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:42:20 +0400 (EET DST) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:42:19 +0400 (EET DST) From: Turgut Kalfaoglu To: Rob Bell cc: Charles McDaniel , Thinkpad Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Beta 3 on ThinkPads? In-Reply-To: <19990819151517.12077.qmail@www0d.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On 19 Aug 1999, Rob Bell wrote: > > Where do you get Win 2K at..?? > As far as I know, you need to either be a MS beta tester or subscribe to MSDN > in order to get Win2K. For MSDN subscribers, it is available on CD or via Bahah.. I had forgotten that they charge to be a beta tester! I wish I had a monopoly too; something not very big; just anything :) -turgut ----- Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Thu Aug 19 15:25:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA30475 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:25:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01699; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:22:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01517; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01495; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (130.133.1.48 -> mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:22:32 -0400 Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (130.133.1.46) with smtp id ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:22:29 +0200 (MEST) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:22:27 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Keyboard 570 versus 600? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Could someone comment on the differences (if there are any) between the keyboards of the TP570 and the TP600. I've tried a 600 but I'm not able to take a look at the 570. The 600 keyboard seems to be great ... If one doesn't need a CD-ROM (or a docking station), is there any reason not to go for the 570, in contrast to the 600? Thanks for all comments! Christoph Eyrich -- eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From cph Thu Aug 19 16:06:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA30726 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:06:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05486; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:05:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05333; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web129.yahoomail.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05316; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web129.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.198 -> web129.yahoomail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:05:39 -0400 Message-ID: <19990819200608.20938.rocketmail@web129.yahoomail.com> Received: from [129.15.167.183] by web129.yahoomail.com; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:06:08 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:06:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicolas Bourbaki Subject: Disgruntled hard drive To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Aaarrrgggh!!! My TP600 must've heard me inquiring about upgrading the hard drive. In any event, Windoze got hosed and I started the recovery process. I intended to restore the C partition and leave D--where my data resides--alone. Started the process but chose the option that restores the hdd to from-factory condition instead :-( Realized my mistake after about 10 seconds and esc out of it. However, now I can't access C or D drive... Fdisk shows only C partition and it's missing an O/S Any suggestions to recover files from D? I couldn't care less about C but my backup isn't too recent and I wish to heck I'd gotten the ultraslim bay adapter from Bill Morrow before proceeding down this dangerous road fraught with errors and terrors... Thanks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From cph Thu Aug 19 16:15:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA30786 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:15:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06334; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:14:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06243; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06210; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:14:29 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA03601; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:14:20 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001201beea7f$7bc66ba0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Esmail Bonakdarian" , References: <199908191631.LAA06965@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: travelling to Germany Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:14:43 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > Will it be enough for me to get a plug adapter (i.e., something simple > I stick my power cable into which in turn plugs into the German > outlet) Yes. I've done this many times. > Also, what about modem usage? I've got an old trusty IBM Home & Away > 14.4 ethernet/modem PCMCIA combo card. If I recall correctly from the > time when used to live in Germany, phones were not connected with the > "normal" (RJ 111?) plug used here in the US. This is correct; few other coutries use the RJ-11 (I was recently delighted to find that Italy has switched over, and my machine worked a treat in my wife's family flat in Rome). At one time I had a bookmark for a nifty gadget that could do quite a few phone plug styles all in one small unit, but it seems to be gone now:-( There are other considerations - dial tones and rings are different, so you might have to monkey with your modem settings to ignore these. (I use an 'international' modem, so have not had to worry about this.) Many German phone lines send regular pulses through the line as part of the billing process; these can screw up some modems (almost surely your H&A, alas). If you're going for professional reasons (e.g., a conference) then it might be easiest to just get the conference organizers to set you up with telnet access. - David R. From cph Thu Aug 19 17:04:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA31145 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:04:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10248; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:02:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10099; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10070; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (132.187.1.7 -> wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:02:32 -0400 Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.2.12]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/uniwue-MM-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA18311 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:02:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 19 Aug 99 23:02:29 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.44); 19 Aug 99 23:02:24 +0200 Received: from mail.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.81) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 19 Aug 99 23:02:14 +0200 Received: from babylon5 (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2] ) by mail.stelarcom.de (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:03:51 -0100 Message-Id: <199908192303.5144550.7@mail.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "David Ross" , "Esmail Bonakdarian" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:49:01 +0200 (MST) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <001201beea7f$7bc66ba0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: travelling to Germany List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:14:43 -1000, David Ross wrote: Hi! >This is correct; few other coutries use the RJ-11 (I was recently delighted to find that >Italy has switched over, and my machine worked a treat in my wife's family flat in Rome). >At one time I had a bookmark for a nifty gadget that could do quite a few phone plug styles >all in one small unit, but it seems to be gone now:-( TAE is the correct cabeling for germany. Thats from our old phone monopol hold by Telekom. :-( But the cables have correct plugs to connect to normal modems. You need the N-type, that's important. The F-type is for phones only. (Don't want to go into details about that.) >There are other considerations - dial tones and rings are different, so you might have to monkey with >your modem settings to ignore these. Maybe it's a good idea to place an ATX4 somewhere in the modems initialization to keep it form waiting for a dialtone. You're right, that might be a really good idea. Dialtones itself are no probelm, at least my MWave-Modem from the US works perfectly without any modifications. I simply have to set it to the US style. >(I use an 'international' modem, so have not had to worry about >this.) Many German phone lines send regular pulses through the line as part of the billing process; these can screw up some modems >(almost surely your H&A, alas). There's a trick to deal with that. Normal german phone connectors have 3 plugs. The layout is N-F-N so you can connect e. g. a Fax-Phone-Modem or something like that. If you've problems with the pulses it's normally enought to place a counter for them to the first N-plug. BUT: for the usage Esmail want to use his modem he'll not have to worry about that at all. If you use internet by call services here in germany they're not >from german Telekom, they're from private companies like Mannesmann or Mobilcom (the two I suggested to him in private mail). These companies don't send the pulses. That is they'd like to send them, but german Telekom filters them out. German Telekom does some quite strange things before they lost the monopol and even after that... You don't have to understand it, nobody does it. ;) >If you're going for professional reasons (e.g., a conference) then it might be easiest to just get the >conference organizers to set you up with telnet access. Good idea. Additionally as Esmail told us that he's working on his dissertation, he may have access to the network of some university in Hamburg. Simply ask them if that is possible. -- CU/2 (( In the beginning was The Word Alexander Wagner )) and The Word was Content-type: text/plain Team OS/2 Franken (( _________________________________________________________________________ -=[ Team OS/2 Germany #294 ]=- Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or A.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for replies, even if some other addresses may appear. Thanks! Get my PGP-key with Subject: Request for PGP-Keys /*********************************************************\ < Join the SETI project: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu > \*********************************************************/ From cph Thu Aug 19 17:06:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA31160 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:06:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10782; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:04:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10371; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay05.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10338; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay05.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.185 -> relay05.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:04:18 -0400 Received: (qmail 7790 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 21:03:22 -0000 Received: from nwcst268.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.23.13) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 21:03:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 1690 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 1999 21:04:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19990819210435.1689.qmail@nwcst268.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.13 by wwcst268 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.53) on Thu Aug 19 21:04:35 GMT 1999 Date: 19 Aug 99 16:04:35 CDT From: Rob Bell To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Disgruntled hard drive X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.53) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id RAA31161 If fdisk doesn't show the D: partition anymore, then chances are that the data is gone so far that only expensive, professional data recovery could bring anything back. If you can 'find' the partition somehow, then you may have a chance. Perhaps another utility like fdisk (maybe the linux version or the OS/2 one) would have better luck. Sorry... ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Thu Aug 19 17:08:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA31166 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:08:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11148; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:06:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10792; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10734; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (207.115.58.198 -> pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:06:18 -0400 Received: from defiant (TXARB102-06.splitrock.net [209.253.58.6]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA103372 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:06:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001001beea85$0b57b580$063afdd1@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles McDaniel" From: "Charles McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Beta 3 on ThinkPads? Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:54:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: ok I was just wondering about Win 2K Beta 3..I'm always looking at new things to try on my machines.. wouldn't mind redhat or something like that as I have some extra Harddrive's around here but the download would take FOREVER.. >By the way, were you the person who just acquired the 755Cx and couldn't get >800x600 to work? I find it hard to believe that IBM made any Cx model that >couldn't do 800x600. I have a 755Cs (486DX2-50 and older than the Cx) that >can do that resolution, and that has a 10.4" passive LCD. nope wasn't me mine works great and always runs in 800 x 600 wish it would run higher.. anyone ever tried SCI tech display doctor on one of these for more resolutions..or faster refesh rate's...? -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bell To: Charles McDaniel ; Thinkpad Date: Thursday, August 19, 1999 10:50 AM Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Beta 3 on ThinkPads? "Charles McDaniel" wrote: > Where do you get Win 2K at..?? > is it downloadable..?? I have a 755 cx will it run on it..?? > Thanks Charles McDaniel As far as I know, you need to either be a MS beta tester or subscribe to MSDN in order to get Win2K. For MSDN subscribers, it is available on CD or via download. The public may also be able to purchase a beta copy, but I'm not too familiar with that. I got it because my company subscribes to MSDN and is a MS Solution Provider. I doubt that Win2K would run on a 755Cx. If I remember correctly, that's a P-75. I think MS recommends something on the order of a P-166 as the base machine, but I could be wrong. Good luck, Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Thu Aug 19 17:55:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA31706 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:55:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14934; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:53:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14630; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14612; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.116 -> pilot016.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:53:41 -0400 Received: from andres (pm559-15.dialip.mich.net [35.9.49.117]) by pilot016.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA49328 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:53:37 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990819175356.00a618b0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:53:56 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Disgruntled hard drive In-Reply-To: <19990819210435.1689.qmail@nwcst268.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: If you can remember EXACTLY how the partitions were set up before, setting the disk up like that again *may* give you back your D:. For this trick to work you'd use FDISK only, not format. I have done this in the past and discovered that a blastion partition table can be recreated, with the data still there. This was with DOS systems, so there is a chance that a fat32 system might not work for this, if thats what you had. I would try this as a last resort. Taking the data to a professional restorer would be better, but if you don't have the money for that, try this. STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 04:04 PM 8/19/99 CDT, Rob Bell wrote: >If fdisk doesn't show the D: partition anymore, then chances are that the data >is gone so far that only expensive, professional data recovery could bring >anything back. If you can 'find' the partition somehow, then you may have a >chance. Perhaps another utility like fdisk (maybe the linux version or the >OS/2 one) would have better luck. > >Sorry... From cph Thu Aug 19 18:21:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA31891 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:21:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17076; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:19:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16853; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16838; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (159.199.101.3 -> orpheus.amdahl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:19:51 -0400 Received: from minerva.amdahl.com (minerva.amdahl.com [129.212.33.25]) by orpheus.amdahl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA14314 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m11HaVX-0001JwC; Thu, 19 Aug 99 15:18 PDT Received: from eng.amdahl.com by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id PAA21099; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eng.amdahl.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA00814; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:23:16 -0700 Message-ID: <19990819152315.49374@eng.amdahl.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:23:15 -0700 From: Serenella Ciongoli To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Serenella Ciongoli Subject: Re: Disgruntled hard drive References: <19990819210435.1689.qmail@nwcst268.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990819210435.1689.qmail@nwcst268.netaddress.usa.net>; from Rob Bell on Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 04:04:35PM -0500 List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 04:04:35PM -0500, Rob Bell wrote: > > If fdisk doesn't show the D: partition anymore, then chances are that the > data is gone so far that only expensive, professional data recovery could > bring anything back. If you can 'find' the partition somehow, then you > may have a chance. Perhaps another utility like fdisk (maybe the linux > version or the OS/2 one) would have better luck. Professional data recovery can be *very* expensive. A couple of months back I lost an entire drive, thanks to NT Disk Administrator wiping almost out its partition table. The cheapest Data Recovery agency quoted me $1200 to recover my data, without any warranty of recovering everything. I tried the following recovery programs: - Tiramisu, by Ontrack, http://www.ontrack.com/op/op_7/op_7.asp. This program exists in different versions for the different file systems formats. My drive had 2 FAT and 1 NTFS partition. This seems to confuse the program, as the FAT16 version would only find the FAT16 files, and the NTFS version would get a program trap after 10 minutes of examining the drive. - Lost+Found by Powerquest, at http://www.powerquest.com/textonly/lostandfound/tx_lafdetail.html This porgram found and recovered most of the FAT16 files, but, just about all of them were corrupted. As I knew the size of the partitions, I ended up using cfdisk, from the Linux RedHat distribution, to reconstruct the missing entries in the partition table and then Diskedit from Norton Utilities for Dos 8.0 to rewrite them. This last program was the best tool I found to examine and analyze the physical sectors on the drive, even though it does not understand NTFS control blocks. For those, the comments in the source code for cfdisk were an essential help. At the end, the 2 FAT16 partitions came back to life without problems, and chkdsk recovered the corrupted info in the MFAT for the NTFS partition. In conclusion, if it is important enough for you, and the file system is not too badly corrupted, you can recover your data with lots of patience and the appropriate tools. Contact me off list if you would like additional details on what I did. Good luck. Serenella Ciongoli From cph Thu Aug 19 18:50:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA32039 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:50:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18773; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:49:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18643; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asimov.dns-host.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18562; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asimov.dns-host.com (209.235.102.21 -> asimov.dns-host.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:47:08 -0400 Received: from sod2038 ([137.53.68.115]) by asimov.dns-host.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA26582 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301beea94$dc061c80$73443589@ohsu.edu> From: "AC Brown" To: Subject: TP 570 vs TP 600 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:47:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Date: 1999 Aug 19 To: Christoph Eyrich and all From: AC Brown Subj: TP 570 vs TP 600 Recently, I replaced my beloved and much-traveled TP 560 with a TP 570. I chose the TP 570 rather than the TP 600 for the following reasons: 1. I transport my computer a lot: between home and work daily, between office and classroom (to use the lcd projector for lectures), between conference room and library, between cities in the US and overseas for meetings and for lecturing as a visiting professor, etc. I carry the computer everywhere, so that when I would otherwise be wasting time -- waiting in the doctor's office, waiting for my wife while shopping -- I can get some useful work done. Therefore, mobility, size, and weight are of first priority for me (weights are listed below). 2. I seldom use a cd-rom any more except when installing new programs (which is infrequent). I used to use cd-roms for reference data and text books, but now I can access more and better (more current) information via the Internet. Even for program installation, I can often download new programs over the Internet and install them from my hard drive. My current system is a TP 570 with an Ultrabase, and with an UltraSlimBay cd-rom and floppy disk in the Ultrabase. When I go to lecture, library, seminar, or home, I carry the TP 570 only at 4.0 lbs (for home use, I have an extra power supply and floppy drive from my TP 560). Had I chosen the TP 600, I would be carting around 6.0 lbs, including the cd-rom and floppy (if you're not going to carry the cd-rom and floppy, why get the TP 600?). When I travel, I pack the Ultrabase, cd-rom, and floppy in my suitcase (which has wheels) and carry the TP 570 only in my computer case. In the next month or so, I plan to replace the Ultrabase and Ultraslim Bay cd-rom with the new HP 820e portable cd-rw drive (weight under 450 g plus power supply). Then, I'll have a portable system including backup at about the same travel weight and a much lighter shoulder weight as the TP 600 with a read-only cd drive. Why get a TP 600 if the most suitable peripherals aren't available as UltraSlimBay units? As far as I can tell, except for the physical arrangement, the TP 570 and TP 600 are essentially identical. So my advice is the same as that of several others: If you need the cd-rom when you carry the computer around locally, get the TP 600. If the cd-rom can stay on your desk top or you need a cd-rw drive or other non-UltraSlimBay units, get the TP 570. Arthur Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - The weights listed below for the TP 570 (model 26443AU) and TP 600 (model 26454AU) are taken from the IBM Thinkpad web site. On the HP web site, the weight of the HP 820e is listed as "under one pound"; the power supply weight is a guess. All the other values were measured on a Mettler laboratory scale. MASS (grams/lbs) CURRENT SYSTEM TP 570 1814/4.0 TP 600 2222/4.9 Cd-rom 285 285 Floppy disk 191 191 Ultrabase 781 Total 3071/6.8 2700/6.0 TP Power supply 391 391 & cord Travel weight 3462/7.6 3091/6.8 PLANNED SYSTEM TP 1814/4.0 Floppy disk 225 & cable HP 820e cd-rw 600 & power supply TP Power supply 391 & cord Travel weight 3030/6.7 From cph Thu Aug 19 20:06:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA32566 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:06:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22482; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:02:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22214; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22200; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (150.203.2.15 -> leonard.anu.edu.au) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:02:27 -0400 Received: (from e720084@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14759; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:02:13 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:02:12 +1000 (EST) To: Esmail Bonakdarian cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: travelling to Germany In-Reply-To: <199908191631.LAA06965@europa.veggie.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > I plan to travel to Hamburg, Germany in about a month and will take my > > My questions deal with power supply and modem usage. > 1. look at your power adapter and make sure it says something such as 100-240 volts 50/60 Hz if it doesn't you need to buy a universal ac power adapter from ibm. 2. buy a plug adapter in the states; it is harder to get an adapter plug with designed to take a male u.s. cord plug outside the u.s. (with the older power adapters you could just borrow a computer power cord from whereever you were visiting and plug one end into your power adapter and the other end into their wall socket.) 3. some phone have rj11's plugged into their base, so you don't always need the correct wall socket plug ... sometimes you can just unplug the cable at the phone end and plug that into your modem. failing that, adapters for phones are usually available at computer or eletronic or hardware stores ... sometimes even department stores with hardware sections. ... in your country of destination. ... unless you want to pay a lot more by buying one in the u.s. if you can find one. 4. germany is one of the countries that has very high telecommicantion standards for modems. your own modem may not be legal in germany - technically - though i doubt the law is enforced these days for visitors with laptops. 5. try to find someone with a relevant modem in germany and get them to do a printout of their handshaking commands ... can save a lot of time experimenting with different combinations. 6. when flying out of a german airport, anticipate having your thinkpad *very* thoroughly checked (an x-ray is only one of the steps involved) which could take 10-15 minutes - assuming there was not a backlog of computers to be checked. it is a nuisance, but personally i would rather fly wondering whether my computer had been damaged in the process (it never has been and probably can't be) but also knowing that no one has gotten onto the plane with their computer packed with something other than computer parts. 7. i trust each backup you do is onto at least two diskettes, as any normally paranoid graduate student should. it is likely that everything will go through the x-ray machine which should be no problem - it never has been for me - but it wouldn't hurt to do a couple of hard copies and send one back by mail, perhaps with one of the floppy backup sets. 8. also remember that airports are prime locations for computer theft. rather than carrying a laptop by itself in its usual 'steal-me' case, it doesn't hurt to put that within a larger carry bag that may also have some of your books and papers, designed to give any would be thief at minimum a hernia. if your thinkpad is properly password protected, it is not much good to anyone else, but it is no good to you either if it ends up in a garbage can someplace. 9. assuming you have a shell account, just find a computer room at any university you visit and you should be able to telnet back. when i was in cambridge (uk) recently, there was a computer cafe/bookstore just down the road from where i was staying and it was simplest just to pay a couple of pounds to spend an hour checking email. oh well, enough of putting off getting back to a chapter i have to finish within the next 48 hours. some things don't change even after you finish graduate school! iowa must be nice this time of year ... most of last winter's snow melted by now and still a week to go before the coming winter's snow starts. : - ) hals- und beinbruch, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From cph Thu Aug 19 21:44:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA00547 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:44:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27259; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:42:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26789; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26772; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:42:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:42:36 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a303.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.177]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA07158 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908200142.VAA07158@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a303.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.177] 209.198.81.177 Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:17:17 -0400 To: In-Reply-To: <001301beea94$dc061c80$73443589@ohsu.edu> Subject: Re: TP 570 vs TP 600 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: Great summary, except for this: >As far as I can tell, except for the physical arrangement, the TP 570 and >TP 600 are essentially identical. The TP 600 has support for OS2. The 570 does not. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph Thu Aug 19 21:45:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA00552 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:45:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27383; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:43:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26892; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26857; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:42:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:43:00 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a303.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.177]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA07167; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908200142.VAA07167@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a303.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.177] 209.198.81.177 Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:21:54 -0400 To: Nicolas Bourbaki , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <19990819200608.20938.rocketmail@web129.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Disgruntled hard drive X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: >However, now I can't access C or D drive... Fdisk >shows only C partition and it's missing an O/S If D drive was a FAT16 partition and you have a friend with OS2, I think you can recover everything with the GammaTech GTDisk utility. -- I deleted the partition on a zip disk once and got everything back this way. ___________ letoured@sover.net From cph Thu Aug 19 22:48:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA00784 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:48:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00737; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:47:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00571; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00487; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:45:50 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-27.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.27]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA18553 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990819224619.0165b24c@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:46:19 -0700 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: TP 570 vs TP 600 In-Reply-To: <199908200142.VAA07158@garnet.sover.net> References: <001301beea94$dc061c80$73443589@ohsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:17 PM 8/19/99 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >Great summary, except for this: > >>As far as I can tell, except for the physical arrangement, the TP 570 and >>TP 600 are essentially identical. > >The TP 600 has support for OS2. The 570 does not. Yeah, that's a real critical issue for the masses, since it owns such a large portion of the market >;P (Sarcasm intended) ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Aug 19 23:47:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA00951 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:47:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03509; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:45:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03341; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03313; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:45:36 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-335.gate.net [199.227.173.81]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA391076; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:45:44 -0400 Message-ID: <37BCCF40.3C980A38@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:45:04 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nicolas Bourbaki CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Disgruntled hard drive References: <19990819200608.20938.rocketmail@web129.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I read all the replies and theres nothing i can think of to add... well, except to say that the D: partition was, most likely, fat32.. the fdisk solution might work.. in the past, i've started a format and then aborted it, to find the target partition intact and complete.. one question, have you tried looking at the drive while booting from a floppy.. good luck, and if you need anything, give me a call Nicolas Bourbaki wrote: > Aaarrrgggh!!! > > My TP600 must've heard me inquiring about upgrading > the hard drive. In any event, Windoze got hosed and I > started the recovery process. I intended to restore > the C partition and leave D--where my data > resides--alone. > > Started the process but chose the option that restores > the hdd to from-factory condition instead :-( > Realized my mistake after about 10 seconds and esc out > of it. > > However, now I can't access C or D drive... Fdisk > shows only C partition and it's missing an O/S > > Any suggestions to recover files from D? I couldn't > care less about C but my backup isn't too recent and I > wish to heck I'd gotten the ultraslim bay adapter from > Bill Morrow before proceeding down this dangerous road > fraught with errors and terrors... > > Thanks! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Fri Aug 20 00:00:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA00994 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:00:57 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04305; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:59:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04197; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04168; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:58:54 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA03464; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:58:27 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003501beeac0$53311aa0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "Nicolas Bourbaki" , References: <199908200142.VAA07167@garnet.sover.net> Subject: Re: Disgruntled hard drive Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:58:53 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > >However, now I can't access C or D drive... Fdisk > >shows only C partition and it's missing an O/S > > If D drive was a FAT16 partition and you have a friend with OS2, I think > you can recover everything with the GammaTech GTDisk utility. -- I > deleted the partition on a zip disk once and got everything back this way. There is a very powerful freeware utility for this sort of thing at http://www.users.intercom.com/~ranish/part/ Probably anything you can do with any FAT16 or FAT32 partition manager can be done with this one. However, it is a tool for experts so exercise some care and read the FAQ/help files/primer on the web site thoroughly. (Even if you don't use it to actually manipulate the partitions, just running it will show where there are problems and what they likely are.) 'Nicolas Bourbaki' is the best-known pseudonym in 20th century mathematics; any relation:-? - David From cph Fri Aug 20 00:09:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA01043 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:09:56 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05356; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:07:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05196; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05182; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:07:42 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA03539; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:07:30 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <005101beeac1$96e91d00$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Alden S Klovdahl" , "Esmail Bonakdarian" Cc: References: Subject: Re: travelling to Germany Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:07:56 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > 2. buy a plug adapter in the states; it is harder to get an adapter plug > with designed to take a male u.s. cord plug outside the u.s. (with the > older power adapters you could just borrow a computer power cord from > whereever you were visiting and plug one end into your power adapter > and the other end into their wall socket.) Two good points. As for the second: standard European teakettle cords will indeed plug into the wall end of the 560 adapter; I took advantage of this in England to not have to carry one of those d**n elephantine UK plugs with me to and from the office. German plugs are less annoying in this respect! > 3. some phone have rj11's plugged into their base, so you don't always > need the correct wall socket plug DIdn't work for me; my home phone in England had such a plug, but the signals were not compatible with my modem (lines might have been switched). - David From cph Fri Aug 20 00:26:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA01095 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:26:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06265; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:24:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06156; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06140; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:24:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:24:07 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a281.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.155]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA10962 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908200424.AAA10962@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a281.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.155] 209.198.81.155 Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:19:16 -0400 To: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990819224619.0165b24c@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: TP 570 vs TP 600 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: >>The TP 600 has support for OS2. The 570 does not. >Yeah, that's a real critical issue for the masses, since >it owns such a large portion of the market >;P >(Sarcasm intended) In the one dimension of e-mail words with no voice inflection I don't know what your point is. But mine is; The reality is that some of us do have a professional need for an operating system that is more stable and more capable then the vision provided by M$ in Pretty DOS. It is also well known that up until the TP570 IBM has supported OS2 on its business class Thinkpads. It is also true that Thinkpads are not returnable once the buyer opens the box. In short, its fair to point out to those who may assume support, that the 570 comes with a limitation the 600 does not have. --Anything less puts one at the same ethical level of BG. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph Fri Aug 20 02:30:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA01404 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:30:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10556; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:28:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10294; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10278; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.2 -> dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:28:26 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA08951; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:27:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908200627.BAA08951@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> Received: from sdx-ca52-27.ix.netcom.com(199.182.43.155) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008944; Fri Aug 20 01:27:38 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Esmail Bonakdarian" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:27:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.950) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: travelling to Germany List-Unsubscribe: You will need an adaptor for your power plug, for your modem, cable and something for the current. Many vendors sell them. I had no problem in Berlin recently. I've used my 760CD in Ireland, England, France, Germany and Switzerland. If your ISP is a member of GRIC, you have a local POP to dial into (Check with your ISP and with www.gric.com for their free dialer containing a list of POPs worldwide and their numbers). On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:31:38 -0500 (CDT), Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: >Greetings all. > >I plan to travel to Hamburg, Germany in about a month and will take my >TP560x along. > >My questions deal with power supply and modem usage. > >Is there something special I need to consider regarding use of the TP >over there? > >Will it be enough for me to get a plug adapter (i.e., something simple >I stick my power cable into which in turn plugs into the German >outlet), or do I have to worry about power conversion issues etc.. I >have the standard TP650x hardware and power supply that came with the >system. I will be using my floppy drive there too for frequent backup >purposes (I'm working on my dissertation - hence the slight paranoia) > >Also, what about modem usage? I've got an old trusty IBM Home & Away >14.4 ethernet/modem PCMCIA combo card. If I recall correctly from the >time when used to live in Germany, phones were not connected with the >"normal" (RJ 111?) plug used here in the US. > >Anyone have any suggestions how I can manage to telnet over to my UI >account for e-mail while over there? Are there any public unix >networks in Germany (preferably in Hamburg) I can dial into - assuming >I can manage to set up my hardware? > >Any suggestions (in German too) very much welcome. > >Thanks, >Esmail >---- >Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Fri Aug 20 04:08:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA01591 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 04:08:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17164; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 04:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 04:05:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17019; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 04:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16991; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 04:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (132.187.1.7 -> wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 04:05:46 -0400 Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.2.12]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/uniwue-MM-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA10595 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:05:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 20 Aug 99 10:05:42 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.44); 20 Aug 99 10:05:35 +0200 Received: from mail.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.69) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 20 Aug 99 10:05:33 +0200 Received: from babylon5 (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2] ) by mail.stelarcom.de (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:07:11 -0100 Message-Id: <199908201007.1142711.7@mail.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" , "Alden S Klovdahl" Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:35:13 +0200 (MST) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: travelling to Germany List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:02:12 +1000 (EST), Alden S Klovdahl wrote: Hi! >3. some phone have rj11's plugged into their base, so you don't always > need the correct wall socket plug ... sometimes you can just unplug the > cable at the phone end and plug that into your modem. Shouldn't do that, but it can work. >4. germany is one of the countries that has very high telecommicantion > standards for modems. your own modem may not be legal in germany - > technically - though i doubt the law is enforced these days for > visitors with laptops. You refere to BTZ. That has AFAIK fallen away completely since we get a free market. Technically it will work and what the Telekom now says is simply: We place one "masterplug" in the wall. Everything behind that plug is not our stuff, do whatever you want, but don't tell us that the master plug is not working, it is. >5. try to find someone with a relevant modem in germany and get them to do > a printout of their handshaking commands ... can save a lot of time > experimenting with different combinations. AT&FX4 should be enough. At least is works with my US ThinkPad's MWave. -- CU/2 (( In the beginning was The Word Alexander Wagner )) and The Word was Content-type: text/plain Team OS/2 Franken (( _________________________________________________________________________ -=[ Team OS/2 Germany #294 ]=- Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or A.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for replies, even if some other addresses may appear. Thanks! Get my PGP-key with Subject: Request for PGP-Keys /*********************************************************\ < Join the SETI project: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu > \*********************************************************/ From cph Fri Aug 20 09:57:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA02512 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:57:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07223; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:56:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07040; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07020; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (130.133.1.48 -> mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:55:59 -0400 Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (130.133.1.46) with smtp id ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:55:56 +0200 (MEST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:55:55 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 570 vs TP 600 In-Reply-To: <001301beea94$dc061c80$73443589@ohsu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to all who responded, in particular to AC Brown for writing up his thoughts about the 570 (I'm close to ordering one :-)! And thanks for the note regarding the OS/2 support. I have moved on to the unix camp but I used to run OS/2 ... Best wishes, Christoph Eyrich -- eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From cph Fri Aug 20 11:05:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA02892 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:05:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12484; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:02:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12081; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12057; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.192 -> web124.yahoomail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:02:34 -0400 Message-ID: <19990820150248.5722.rocketmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Received: from [129.15.167.142] by web124.yahoomail.com; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:02:47 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:02:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicolas Bourbaki Subject: Re: Disgruntled hard drive To: David Ross Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Bill Morrow , etoured@sover.net, Keith Wong , Pitak Chenkosol , Juan-Carlos Lerman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Thank you very much for your helpful suggestions. In my infinite stupidity and impatience, I restored the C drive but left D alone. This probably overwrote the MBR. Then I dug up an old copy of Partition Magic 3.0 from my days of messing with linux. It shows Partition 2 as Type Free Space. Ranish Partition Manager shows D to be Unused free space and the wizard would do as PM would, i.e., create a new partition? It also says Boot sector doesn't have valid information. At this point, with the original MBR presumably gone, chances of self-data recovery are slim? Neither of the programs used have options to re-create partition or FAT that I could see. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From cph Fri Aug 20 12:42:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA03694 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:42:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19533; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:41:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19305; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19289; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.128.1.70 -> ne.mediaone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:41:13 -0400 Received: from Laptop (plumbush.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.150.141]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA19308 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004801beeb2a$cbc39960$0200a8c0@Laptop> From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: References: Subject: Re: disgruntled hard drive Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:41:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I realize this may not be the moment to talk about prevention, but in the interests of future drive operations I have a suggestion for a pre-procedure, before entering this realm which is as you say fraught with angst. I recently bought Norton Ghost in order to image my existing hard drive and recreate it on a replacement hard drive. Unlike PQ DriveImage (which I'd previously bought and returned), Ghost can do its transfers over a $10 LapLink parallel cable between laptop and desktop. It worked flawlessly, and allows you to keep backup images of your hard drives on the second computer for emergencies, too. Best -- Jeff From cph Fri Aug 20 14:23:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA04409 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:23:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27569; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:22:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27409; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27362; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (207.69.200.82 -> smtp5.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:21:33 -0400 Received: from thinkpad.tayloru.edu (user-38lcacm.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.41.150]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA18967 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002c01beeb38$c2b39ec0$0200a8c0@tayloru.edu> From: "Mark Allison" To: Subject: Installing drive on 385ED Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:20:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hi everyone! I just purchased an IBM 6.4 gig hard drive from ebay and was wondering if anyone had tried replacing a drive in a 385ED before. I can get it done in Atlanta for about $85, but wanted to try to save some bucks if I can. Thanks, Mark Allison From cph Fri Aug 20 14:53:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA04643 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:53:57 -0400 Resent-From: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00932; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:48:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29587; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msn.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29561; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msn.com (207.46.181.24) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:48:08 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:01:24 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:54:21 -0700 Received: from netlib2.cs.utk.edu - 128.169.92.17 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:22:36 -0700 Received: from na-net.ornl.gov (marvin@localhost) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9t-netlib) id SAA12770; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:20:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:20:00 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <199908192220.SAA12770@netlib2.cs.utk.edu> Received: from owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu for stuart.mcdonald@na-net.ornl.gov; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Resent-to: Stuart_McDonald@msn.com (by na-net.ornl.gov) Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9t-netlib) id SAA12760; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:19:57 -0400 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (128.169.94.1 -> CS.UTK.EDU) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:19:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17080; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:19:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16853; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16838; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (159.199.101.3 -> orpheus.amdahl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:19:51 -0400 Received: from minerva.amdahl.com (minerva.amdahl.com [129.212.33.25]) by orpheus.amdahl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA14314 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m11HaVX-0001JwC; Thu, 19 Aug 99 15:18 PDT Received: from eng.amdahl.com by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id PAA21099; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eng.amdahl.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA00814; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:23:16 -0700 Message-ID: <19990819152315.49374@eng.amdahl.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:23:15 -0700 From: Serenella Ciongoli To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Serenella Ciongoli Subject: Re: Disgruntled hard drive References: <19990819210435.1689.qmail@nwcst268.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990819210435.1689.qmail@nwcst268.netaddress.usa.net>; from Rob Bell on Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 04:04:35PM -0500 List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 04:04:35PM -0500, Rob Bell wrote: > > If fdisk doesn't show the D: partition anymore, then chances are that the > data is gone so far that only expensive, professional data recovery could > bring anything back. If you can 'find' the partition somehow, then you > may have a chance. Perhaps another utility like fdisk (maybe the linux > version or the OS/2 one) would have better luck. Professional data recovery can be *very* expensive. A couple of months back I lost an entire drive, thanks to NT Disk Administrator wiping almost out its partition table. The cheapest Data Recovery agency quoted me $1200 to recover my data, without any warranty of recovering everything. I tried the following recovery programs: - Tiramisu, by Ontrack, http://www.ontrack.com/op/op_7/op_7.asp. This program exists in different versions for the different file systems formats. My drive had 2 FAT and 1 NTFS partition. This seems to confuse the program, as the FAT16 version would only find the FAT16 files, and the NTFS version would get a program trap after 10 minutes of examining the drive. - Lost+Found by Powerquest, at http://www.powerquest.com/textonly/lostandfound/tx_lafdetail.html This porgram found and recovered most of the FAT16 files, but, just about all of them were corrupted. As I knew the size of the partitions, I ended up using cfdisk, from the Linux RedHat distribution, to reconstruct the missing entries in the partition table and then Diskedit from Norton Utilities for Dos 8.0 to rewrite them. This last program was the best tool I found to examine and analyze the physical sectors on the drive, even though it does not understand NTFS control blocks. For those, the comments in the source code for cfdisk were an essential help. At the end, the 2 FAT16 partitions came back to life without problems, and chkdsk recovered the corrupted info in the MFAT for the NTFS partition. In conclusion, if it is important enough for you, and the file system is not too badly corrupted, you can recover your data with lots of patience and the appropriate tools. Contact me off list if you would like additional details on what I did. Good luck. Serenella Ciongoli From cph Fri Aug 20 15:58:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA04968 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:58:06 -0400 Resent-From: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06825; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:54:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05853; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msn.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05838; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msn.com (207.46.181.24) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:53:52 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:29:06 -0700 Received: from netlib2.cs.utk.edu - 128.169.92.17 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:12:00 -0700 Received: from na-net.ornl.gov (marvin@localhost) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9t-netlib) id RAA10424; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:04:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:04:49 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <199908192104.RAA10424@netlib2.cs.utk.edu> Received: from owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu for stuart.mcdonald@na-net.ornl.gov; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Resent-to: Stuart_McDonald@msn.com (by na-net.ornl.gov) Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9t-netlib) id RAA10417; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:04:47 -0400 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (128.169.94.1 -> CS.UTK.EDU) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:04:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10787; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:04:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10371; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay05.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10338; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay05.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.185 -> relay05.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:04:18 -0400 Received: (qmail 7790 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 21:03:22 -0000 Received: from nwcst268.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.23.13) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 21:03:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 1690 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 1999 21:04:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19990819210435.1689.qmail@nwcst268.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.13 by wwcst268 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.53) on Thu Aug 19 21:04:35 GMT 1999 Date: 19 Aug 99 16:04:35 CDT From: Rob Bell To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Disgruntled hard drive X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.53) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA04969 If fdisk doesn't show the D: partition anymore, then chances are that the data is gone so far that only expensive, professional data recovery could bring anything back. If you can 'find' the partition somehow, then you may have a chance. Perhaps another utility like fdisk (maybe the linux version or the OS/2 one) would have better luck. Sorry... ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Fri Aug 20 17:57:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA05999 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:57:00 -0400 Resent-From: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15530; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:54:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15112; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msn.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15090; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msn.com (207.46.181.24) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:54:22 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:35:14 -0700 Received: from netlib2.cs.utk.edu - 128.169.92.17 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:12:49 -0700 Received: from na-net.ornl.gov (marvin@localhost) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9t-netlib) id RAA10454; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:07:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:07:24 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <199908192107.RAA10454@netlib2.cs.utk.edu> Received: from owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu for stuart.mcdonald@na-net.ornl.gov; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Resent-to: Stuart_McDonald@msn.com (by na-net.ornl.gov) Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9t-netlib) id RAA10447; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:07:23 -0400 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (128.169.94.1 -> CS.UTK.EDU) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:07:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11152; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:06:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10792; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10734; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (207.115.58.198 -> pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:06:18 -0400 Received: from defiant (TXARB102-06.splitrock.net [209.253.58.6]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA103372 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:06:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001001beea85$0b57b580$063afdd1@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles McDaniel" From: "Charles McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Beta 3 on ThinkPads? Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:54:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: ok I was just wondering about Win 2K Beta 3..I'm always looking at new things to try on my machines.. wouldn't mind redhat or something like that as I have some extra Harddrive's around here but the download would take FOREVER.. >By the way, were you the person who just acquired the 755Cx and couldn't get >800x600 to work? I find it hard to believe that IBM made any Cx model that >couldn't do 800x600. I have a 755Cs (486DX2-50 and older than the Cx) that >can do that resolution, and that has a 10.4" passive LCD. nope wasn't me mine works great and always runs in 800 x 600 wish it would run higher.. anyone ever tried SCI tech display doctor on one of these for more resolutions..or faster refesh rate's...? -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bell To: Charles McDaniel ; Thinkpad Date: Thursday, August 19, 1999 10:50 AM Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Beta 3 on ThinkPads? "Charles McDaniel" wrote: > Where do you get Win 2K at..?? > is it downloadable..?? I have a 755 cx will it run on it..?? > Thanks Charles McDaniel As far as I know, you need to either be a MS beta tester or subscribe to MSDN in order to get Win2K. For MSDN subscribers, it is available on CD or via download. The public may also be able to purchase a beta copy, but I'm not too familiar with that. I got it because my company subscribes to MSDN and is a MS Solution Provider. I doubt that Win2K would run on a 755Cx. If I remember correctly, that's a P-75. I think MS recommends something on the order of a P-166 as the base machine, but I could be wrong. Good luck, Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Fri Aug 20 18:02:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA06049 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:02:46 -0400 Resent-From: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17148; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:00:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01110; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msn.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00491; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msn.com (207.46.181.24) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:51:24 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:40:51 -0700 Received: from netlib2.cs.utk.edu - 128.169.92.17 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:55:52 -0700 Received: from na-net.ornl.gov (marvin@localhost) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9t-netlib) id RAA10921; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:53:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:53:15 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <199908192153.RAA10921@netlib2.cs.utk.edu> Received: from owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu for stuart.mcdonald@na-net.ornl.gov; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Resent-to: Stuart_McDonald@msn.com (by na-net.ornl.gov) Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9t-netlib) id RAA10914; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:53:14 -0400 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (128.169.94.1 -> CS.UTK.EDU) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:53:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14944; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:53:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14630; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14612; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.116 -> pilot016.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:53:41 -0400 Received: from andres (pm559-15.dialip.mich.net [35.9.49.117]) by pilot016.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA49328 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:53:37 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990819175356.00a618b0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:53:56 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Disgruntled hard drive In-Reply-To: <19990819210435.1689.qmail@nwcst268.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: If you can remember EXACTLY how the partitions were set up before, setting the disk up like that again *may* give you back your D:. For this trick to work you'd use FDISK only, not format. I have done this in the past and discovered that a blastion partition table can be recreated, with the data still there. This was with DOS systems, so there is a chance that a fat32 system might not work for this, if thats what you had. I would try this as a last resort. Taking the data to a professional restorer would be better, but if you don't have the money for that, try this. STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 04:04 PM 8/19/99 CDT, Rob Bell wrote: >If fdisk doesn't show the D: partition anymore, then chances are that the data >is gone so far that only expensive, professional data recovery could bring >anything back. If you can 'find' the partition somehow, then you may have a >chance. Perhaps another utility like fdisk (maybe the linux version or the >OS/2 one) would have better luck. > >Sorry... From cph Fri Aug 20 19:51:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA06521 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:51:01 -0400 Resent-From: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24748; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:49:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24430; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msn.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24415; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msn.com (207.46.181.59) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:49:11 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:32:48 -0700 Received: from netlib2.cs.utk.edu - 128.169.92.17 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:04:40 -0700 Received: from na-net.ornl.gov (marvin@localhost) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9t-netlib) id RAA10401; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:02:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:02:05 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <199908192102.RAA10401@netlib2.cs.utk.edu> Received: from owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu for stuart.mcdonald@na-net.ornl.gov; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Resent-to: Stuart_McDonald@msn.com (by na-net.ornl.gov) Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9t-netlib) id RAA10394; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:02:02 -0400 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (128.169.94.1 -> CS.UTK.EDU) by netlib2.cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:02:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10275; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:02:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10099; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10070; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (132.187.1.7 -> wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:02:32 -0400 Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.2.12]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/uniwue-MM-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA18311 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:02:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 19 Aug 99 23:02:29 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.44); 19 Aug 99 23:02:24 +0200 Received: from mail.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.81) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 19 Aug 99 23:02:14 +0200 Received: from babylon5 (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2] ) by mail.stelarcom.de (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:03:51 -0100 Message-Id: <199908192303.5144550.7@mail.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "David Ross" , "Esmail Bonakdarian" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:49:01 +0200 (MST) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <001201beea7f$7bc66ba0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: travelling to Germany List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:14:43 -1000, David Ross wrote: Hi! >This is correct; few other coutries use the RJ-11 (I was recently delighted to find that >Italy has switched over, and my machine worked a treat in my wife's family flat in Rome). >At one time I had a bookmark for a nifty gadget that could do quite a few phone plug styles >all in one small unit, but it seems to be gone now:-( TAE is the correct cabeling for germany. Thats from our old phone monopol hold by Telekom. :-( But the cables have correct plugs to connect to normal modems. You need the N-type, that's important. The F-type is for phones only. (Don't want to go into details about that.) >There are other considerations - dial tones and rings are different, so you might have to monkey with >your modem settings to ignore these. Maybe it's a good idea to place an ATX4 somewhere in the modems initialization to keep it form waiting for a dialtone. You're right, that might be a really good idea. Dialtones itself are no probelm, at least my MWave-Modem from the US works perfectly without any modifications. I simply have to set it to the US style. >(I use an 'international' modem, so have not had to worry about >this.) Many German phone lines send regular pulses through the line as part of the billing process; these can screw up some modems >(almost surely your H&A, alas). There's a trick to deal with that. Normal german phone connectors have 3 plugs. The layout is N-F-N so you can connect e. g. a Fax-Phone-Modem or something like that. If you've problems with the pulses it's normally enought to place a counter for them to the first N-plug. BUT: for the usage Esmail want to use his modem he'll not have to worry about that at all. If you use internet by call services here in germany they're not >from german Telekom, they're from private companies like Mannesmann or Mobilcom (the two I suggested to him in private mail). These companies don't send the pulses. That is they'd like to send them, but german Telekom filters them out. German Telekom does some quite strange things before they lost the monopol and even after that... You don't have to understand it, nobody does it. ;) >If you're going for professional reasons (e.g., a conference) then it might be easiest to just get the >conference organizers to set you up with telnet access. Good idea. Additionally as Esmail told us that he's working on his dissertation, he may have access to the network of some university in Hamburg. Simply ask them if that is possible. -- CU/2 (( In the beginning was The Word Alexander Wagner )) and The Word was Content-type: text/plain Team OS/2 Franken (( _________________________________________________________________________ -=[ Team OS/2 Germany #294 ]=- Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or A.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for replies, even if some other addresses may appear. Thanks! Get my PGP-key with Subject: Request for PGP-Keys /*********************************************************\ < Join the SETI project: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu > \*********************************************************/ From cph Sat Aug 21 08:23:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA08523 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:23:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05231; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:18:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04727; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04668; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:18:40 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-302.gate.net [199.227.131.111]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA197666; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:46:29 -0400 Message-ID: <37BE4B1C.1BEBD306@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:45:49 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Allison CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Installing drive on 385ED References: <002c01beeb38$c2b39ec0$0200a8c0@tayloru.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mark.. you can do it yourself.. its EASY..!! Mark Allison wrote: > Hi everyone! > I just purchased an IBM 6.4 gig hard drive from ebay and was wondering if > anyone had tried replacing a drive in a 385ED before. I can get it done in > Atlanta for about $85, but wanted to try to save some bucks if I can. > > Thanks, > > Mark Allison -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Sat Aug 21 08:23:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA08524 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:23:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05226; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:18:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04741; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04694; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:18:43 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-302.gate.net [199.227.131.111]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA81844; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:48:08 -0400 Message-ID: <37BE4B80.5892AD05@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:47:28 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nicolas Bourbaki CC: David Ross , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, etoured@sover.net, Keith Wong , Pitak Chenkosol , Juan-Carlos Lerman Subject: Re: Disgruntled hard drive References: <19990820150248.5722.rocketmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: when will the funeral be held..? :-) Nicolas Bourbaki wrote: > Thank you very much for your helpful suggestions. In > my infinite stupidity and impatience, I restored the C > drive but left D alone. This probably overwrote the > MBR. > > Then I dug up an old copy of Partition Magic 3.0 from > my days of messing with linux. It shows Partition 2 as > Type Free Space. > > Ranish Partition Manager shows D to be Unused free > space and the wizard would do as PM would, i.e., > create a new partition? It also says Boot sector > doesn't have valid information. > > At this point, with the original MBR presumably gone, > chances of self-data recovery are slim? Neither of the > programs used have options to re-create partition or > FAT that I could see. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Sat Aug 21 10:26:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA08734 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:26:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13645; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:24:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02342; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02177; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 07:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.16 -> dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 21 Aug 1999 07:59:50 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA02875 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 06:59:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908211159.GAA02875@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga1-48.ix.netcom.com(207.222.234.48) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002861; Sat Aug 21 06:59:16 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Thinkpad" Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <00d801bec89b$acc91d20$020aa8c0@pii333> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Battery to 99% only List-Unsubscribe: My IBM battery for a 760CD only charges to 99 percent, no matter how long it is given to charge. A 2nd battery charges to the full 100%. What goes on here? Both batteries seem to deliver the same amount of time between charges. Thanks. Allan Ballard From cph Sat Aug 21 15:21:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA09404 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:21:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27605; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:18:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27486; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27473; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (165.87.194.252 -> out1.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:18:44 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip166-72-104-180.nj.us.ibm.net [166.72.104.180]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA73512 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:18:40 GMT Message-ID: <001401beec09$f554f8c0$b46848a6@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: Subject: MediaMatics DVDExpress Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:18:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BEEBE8.6C3C8C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BEEBE8.6C3C8C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I installed DVDExpress on a 770ED that originally came preloaded with = SoftDVD. I am using the latest MPEG and Video Features drivers but the = playback stops after a minute and the system locks up.=20 I also notice that MPEG playback is poor and the entire clip is = sometimes not played. If I lower the Graphics Accelerator to the lowest = setting MPEG playback is good but the DVD playback is choppy.=20 Is anyone else using DVDExpress successfully? What system are you = running it on? Thanks, Don ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BEEBE8.6C3C8C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I installed DVDExpress on a 770ED that = originally=20 came preloaded with SoftDVD. I am using the latest MPEG and Video = Features=20 drivers but the playback stops after a minute and the system locks up.=20
 
I also notice that MPEG playback is = poor and the=20 entire clip is sometimes not played. If I lower the Graphics Accelerator = to the=20 lowest setting MPEG playback is good but the DVD playback is choppy.=20
 
Is anyone else using DVDExpress = successfully? What=20 system are you running it on?
 
Thanks,
 
Don
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BEEBE8.6C3C8C40-- From cph Sat Aug 21 18:46:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA09894 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:46:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08184; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:45:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08103; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08090; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.74 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:45:12 -0400 Received: from 770z (user-38ld7nn.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.158.247]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10835; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990821184133.00960660@mindspring.com> X-Sender: rchalk@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:43:33 -0400 To: "Donald Mak" , From: Richard Chalk Subject: Re: MediaMatics DVDExpress In-Reply-To: <001401beec09$f554f8c0$b46848a6@thinkpad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_13360101==_.ALT" List-Unsubscribe: --=====================_13360101==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed There are two different MPEG drivers for the IBM machines equipped with the Enhanced video adapter. One is for DVDExpress, and one is for SoftDVD. Make sure you are running the correct driver for the program you want to use. Regards, Richard At 03:18 PM 8/21/99 -0400, Donald Mak wrote: >I installed DVDExpress on a 770ED that originally came preloaded with >SoftDVD. I am using the latest MPEG and Video Features drivers but the >playback stops after a minute and the system locks up. > >I also notice that MPEG playback is poor and the entire clip is sometimes >not played. If I lower the Graphics Accelerator to the lowest setting MPEG >playback is good but the DVD playback is choppy. > >Is anyone else using DVDExpress successfully? What system are you running >it on? > >Thanks, > >Don --=====================_13360101==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" There are two different MPEG drivers for the IBM machines equipped with the Enhanced video adapter.  One is for DVDExpress, and one is for SoftDVD.  Make sure you are running the correct driver for the program you want to use.

Regards,
Richard


At 03:18 PM 8/21/99 -0400, Donald Mak wrote:
I installed DVDExpress on a 770ED that originally came preloaded with SoftDVD. I am using the latest MPEG and Video Features drivers but the playback stops after a minute and the system locks up.
 
I also notice that MPEG playback is poor and the entire clip is sometimes not played. If I lower the Graphics Accelerator to the lowest setting MPEG playback is good but the DVD playback is choppy.
 
Is anyone else using DVDExpress successfully? What system are you running it on?
 
Thanks,
 
Don

--=====================_13360101==_.ALT-- From cph Sat Aug 21 20:16:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA10137 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:16:04 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12814; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:15:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12513; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12472; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:14:55 -0400 Received: from ip-216.145.8.15.az.com (ip-216.145.8.15.az.com [216.145.8.15]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA00575 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:14:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199908220014.RAA00575@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sat, 21 Aug 99 17:21:17 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 365XD question List-Unsubscribe: Ok... Here comes a possible silly question... Can a TP 365XD support a DVD ROM Drive? =\ Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Sat Aug 21 23:14:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA10599 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:14:01 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21067; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:13:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20977; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20963; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.89 -> web116.yahoomail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:12:56 -0400 Message-ID: <19990822031226.20684.rocketmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Received: from [129.15.167.221] by web116.yahoomail.com; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:12:26 PDT Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:12:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicolas Bourbaki Subject: Re: Disgruntled hard drive To: Bill Morrow MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: --- Bill Morrow wrote: > when will the funeral be held..? :-) Wonder of all wonders, where the more expensive Tiramasiu could not recover the particular files I needed in addition to forcing me to sort through the numerous directories arcanely renamed to arbitrarily numbered directories just to see what files could be recovered, which I did twice, by the way, just to be sure I didn't miss it, Powerquest's less expensive Lost & Found managed to recover the files I needed, showing them in the original directories and names for the most part. Whew, was the above an understandable sentence? I did re-partition the drive (D) but that did not restore it. So I downloaded the demo versions of Tiramasiu and Lost & Found, which will tell you what files are recoverable but not recover them. The rest, as they say, are about to become history. At any rate, it looks like about 50% of the files are recoverable, though how many are actually intact vs. corrupted I don't know since I haven't had time to go through them. Anyone know about Quicken file structures? To bring this sad saga to a close, I've got to give props to all the List-subscribers who gave advice, made suggestions, and showed sympathy, including but not limited to, and in no particular order: Bill Morrow -- there can only be one. 'Nuff said. Serenella Ciongoli -- helpful beyond the scope of my poor ability to describe, truly a prince among men. Pitak Chenkosol -- wonderfully encouraging and ultimately on target with his suggestion of L&F. David Ross -- mathematician/TPer nonpareil. Keith Wong, Juan-Carlos Lerman, Steve Andre, Rob Bell, Jeffrey Baker, and the enigmatic letoured@sover.net. You guys are the best. Much thanks to you all and to all a good night. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From cph Sun Aug 22 03:20:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA11012 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:20:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06307; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:18:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06218; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06205; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:18:04 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-348.gate.net [199.227.131.157]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA441080; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:18:14 -0400 Message-ID: <37BFA40C.470C1BEC@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:17:33 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LightSide CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: 365XD question References: <199908220014.RAA00575@www.az.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You know the answer, even if you are hoping it will be otherwise.. :-) the 365XD is not designed for native DVD.. there MAY be sonme PCMCIA based soft DVD that the P100 (is that not what cpu it has?!) can run, but while i have a vague recollection of seeing some such thing advertised, it has been a few months (a lifetime in this business) and i can't recall any more than that.. note: the 365XD was the pentium version of the 365ED which had a cyrix or some such cpu.. they were made in taiwan by, most likely, acer, at least 3 years ago... (3 years is an epoch, a light year of development, prehistoric, 760ED was hot stuff then!) LightSide wrote: > Ok... > Here comes a possible silly question... > > Can a TP 365XD support a DVD ROM Drive? =\ > > Robert > > Robert Mears > Certified Key and Button Pusher > robertm@az.com > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Sun Aug 22 03:20:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA11016 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:20:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06527; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:19:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06365; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06324; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:18:54 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-348.gate.net [199.227.131.157]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA342610; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:19:18 -0400 Message-ID: <37BFA44D.6616301A@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:18:37 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Battery to 99% only References: <199908211159.GAA02875@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Allan.. try starting the charge from 10% or so, then see if it takes a full charge.. Allan Ballard wrote: > My IBM battery for a 760CD only charges to 99 percent, > no matter how long it is given to charge. > > A 2nd battery charges to the full 100%. > > What goes on here? > > Both batteries seem to deliver the same amount > of time between charges. > > Thanks. > Allan Ballard -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Sun Aug 22 04:03:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA11073 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:03:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10348; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:01:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10138; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10085; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:00:54 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p25.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.40]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA02220; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 01:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908220800.BAA02220@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Nathan Mercer" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 99 00:58:35 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Windows 2000 Beta 3 on ThinkPads? List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:36:33 -0500, Nathan Mercer wrote: >Yep - Win2000 is great. Much better functionality than Win9x/NT4 for >laptops. I especially love the offline folders. >I'm currently running the newly released build 2099 on my 770ED, and have >also had good success with beta3 and RC1 (2072) > Where did you get 2072? I was using 2031 (which I got at a Microsoft seminar). It was better than NT 4, except I couldn't get sound on my 760ED, and if I tried to reinstall the MWave drivers, Win2K had a cow, and popped up ten billion dialog boxes for each file. Plus, I still couldn't hibernate, even with a seperate FAT16 partition for the hibernate file. =( From cph Sun Aug 22 04:05:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA11077 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:05:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10702; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:04:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10596; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10583; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:04:29 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p25.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.40]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA02295; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 01:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908220803.BAA02295@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Charles McDaniel" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 99 01:02:05 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Beta 3 on ThinkPads? List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:44:55 -0500, Charles McDaniel wrote: >Where do you get Win 2K at..?? >is it downloadable..?? I have a 755 cx will it run on it..?? Microsoft recommends you have at least a Pentium 166 or higher, 32MB of RAM minumum, 64MB preferred... I was lucky to get away with my P133, but I had 48MB of RAM to make up for it. One thing that I thought was stupid was support for the ThinkPad 701's internal modem (as if it could ever run Win2K). =) I have to admit that Win2K Advanced Server is even better. But since that's running on a desktop, that would be beyond the scope of this list. Paul From cph Sun Aug 22 04:07:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA11092 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:07:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11074; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:06:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10973; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10960; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:06:21 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p25.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.40]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA02329; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 01:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908220805.BAA02329@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Rob Bell" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 99 01:04:06 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Beta 3 on ThinkPads? List-Unsubscribe: >As far as I know, you need to either be a MS beta tester or subscribe to MSDN >in order to get Win2K. For MSDN subscribers, it is available on CD or via >download. The public may also be able to purchase a beta copy, but I'm not >too familiar with that. I got it because my company subscribes to MSDN and is >a MS Solution Provider. > >I doubt that Win2K would run on a 755Cx. If I remember correctly, that's a >P-75. I think MS recommends something on the order of a P-166 as the base >machine, but I could be wrong. > That's correct, I'd say maybe a P133 minumum... And you definately need at least 32MB of RAM... I don't know if you'd want to download it, though... MS recommends at least a 2GB hard drive with 850MB free...=( From cph Sun Aug 22 04:10:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA11097 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:10:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11521; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:08:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11320; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11291; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:08:08 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p25.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.40]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA02355 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 01:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908220807.BAA02355@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 99 01:05:51 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Duplicate e-mail List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:04:06 -0700, Derek Seaman wrote: >Is anyone getting two copies of all the mail on this list? I sure am.... > >Derek > I've noticed the same problem... Doesn't bother me too much, just as long as I have room for my archive on my Sun box... From cph Sun Aug 22 08:01:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA20756 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:01:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29682; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 07:59:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29346; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 07:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29238; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 07:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.7 -> dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 07:59:39 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA28795; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 06:59:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908221159.GAA28795@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga14-39.ix.netcom.com(207.95.119.103) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028786; Sun Aug 22 06:58:43 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Thinkpad" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 07:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <37BFA44D.6616301A@icanect.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Battery to 99% only List-Unsubscribe: Bill, I don't know what is going on, but once home, the battery charged up to 100% again. I think I'll discharge/recharge it again to see what happens. What is a good way to store a 2nd battery in a travel case? Thanks. Allan On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:18:37 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Allan.. >try starting the charge from 10% or so, then see if it takes a full >charge.. > >Allan Ballard wrote: > >> My IBM battery for a 760CD only charges to 99 percent, >> no matter how long it is given to charge. >> >> A 2nd battery charges to the full 100%. >> >> What goes on here? >> >> Both batteries seem to deliver the same amount >> of time between charges. >> >> Thanks. >> Allan Ballard > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will >vary, Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > From cph Sun Aug 22 08:47:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA20814 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:47:13 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06825; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:45:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06682; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06656; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.7 -> dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:45:38 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA00670 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 07:45:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908221245.HAA00670@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga14-39.ix.netcom.com(207.95.119.103) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000664; Sun Aug 22 07:45:18 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199907131844.OAA06814@vixen.cs.utk.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Cannister on TP modem cord List-Unsubscribe: My 760CD came with a modem cord that contains a cannister on one end. It is about 1 inch long, and about 1/2 inch in diameter. It is about 2 or 3 inches from one end of the cable. I have long wondered what is the purpose of the cannister? Does anyone know? Allan Ballard From cph Sun Aug 22 11:41:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA21339 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:41:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13876; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:39:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13666; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13650; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (166.72.104.127) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:39:03 -0400 Message-ID: <004701beed19$025bf9a0$7f6848a6@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: , "Richard Chalk" References: <4.2.0.58.19990821184133.00960660@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: MediaMatics DVDExpress Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:35:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01BEECF7.0C80D6C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BEECF7.0C80D6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks but I am using the correct MPEG Drivers.=20 I may have found the problem but since it is part of the default = installation I was still wondering if anyone else has problems with the MPEG or DVD playback using DVDExpress. What I found was the OEM.reg file has the following lines being added to = the registry: ; These flags cause the Dshow filters to be used for Mpeg1 playback ; when playing through media player or the DVD GUI [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Mediamatics\DVD Express\MMMCIDS] "VideoCD"=3Ddword:00000001 "Mpeg1"=3Ddword:00000001 "Mpeg2"=3D"dword:0000001 When I reset the the values to '0' the playback of MPEG files is good. I = haven't tried a DVD yet. I take Dshow as Direct X filters which may have problems with the = Trident Video chipset. Don There are two different MPEG drivers for the IBM machines equipped = with the Enhanced video adapter. One is for DVDExpress, and one is for = SoftDVD. Make sure you are running the correct driver for the program = you want to use. Regards, Richard At 03:18 PM 8/21/99 -0400, Donald Mak wrote: I installed DVDExpress on a 770ED that originally came preloaded = with SoftDVD. I am using the latest MPEG and Video Features drivers but = the playback stops after a minute and the system locks up.=20 =20 I also notice that MPEG playback is poor and the entire clip is = sometimes not played. If I lower the Graphics Accelerator to the lowest = setting MPEG playback is good but the DVD playback is choppy.=20 =20 Is anyone else using DVDExpress successfully? What system are you = running it on? =20 Thanks, =20 Don ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BEECF7.0C80D6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks but I am using the correct MPEG = Drivers.=20
I may have found the problem but since = it is part=20 of the default installation I was still wondering if anyone = else
has problems with the MPEG or DVD = playback using=20 DVDExpress.
 
What I found was the OEM.reg file has = the following=20 lines being added to the registry:
 
; These flags cause the Dshow filters = to be used=20 for Mpeg1 playback
; when playing through media player or the DVD=20 GUI
 
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Mediamatics\DVD=20 Express\MMMCIDS]
"VideoCD"=3Ddword:00000001
"Mpeg1"=3Ddword:0000000= 1
"Mpeg2"=3D"dword:0000001
 
When I reset the the values to '0' the = playback of=20 MPEG files is good. I haven't tried a DVD yet.
 
I take Dshow as Direct X filters which = may have=20 problems with the Trident Video chipset.
 
Don
 
 
 
There are two different MPEG drivers for the IBM = machines=20 equipped with the Enhanced video adapter.  One is for DVDExpress, = and one=20 is for SoftDVD.  Make sure you are running the correct driver for = the=20 program you want to use.

Regards,
Richard


At = 03:18 PM=20 8/21/99 -0400, Donald Mak wrote:
I installed DVDExpress on a 770ED that=20 originally came preloaded with SoftDVD. I am using the latest MPEG = and Video=20 Features drivers but the playback stops after a minute and the = system locks=20 up.
 
I also notice = that MPEG=20 playback is poor and the entire clip is sometimes not played. If I = lower the=20 Graphics Accelerator to the lowest setting MPEG playback is good but = the DVD=20 playback is choppy.
 
Is anyone=20 else using DVDExpress successfully? What system are you running it=20 on?
 
Thanks,
 
Don

------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BEECF7.0C80D6C0-- From cph Sun Aug 22 12:02:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21372 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:02:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14758; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:00:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14575; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14559; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.41 -> mail8.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:00:30 -0400 Received: (qmail 10864 invoked by uid 0); 22 Aug 1999 16:00:17 -0000 Received: from pppa11-tucson15-4r691.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.206.233) by mail8.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 16:00:17 -0000 Message-ID: <37C01EBC.954DB5AC@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 09:01:00 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM AntiVirus update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: IBM AntiVirus 3.0 Update: Symantec - IBM AntiVirus has recently published an update with the latest virus signatures. 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Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Sun Aug 22 12:21:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21429 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:21:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15865; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:19:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15679; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15652; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.106 -> pilot006.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:19:07 -0400 Received: from andres (pm451-13.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.71]) by pilot006.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA28902 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:19:04 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990822121919.00a63050@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:19:19 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Cannister on TP modem cord In-Reply-To: <199908221245.HAA00670@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> References: <199907131844.OAA06814@vixen.cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: If I am awake enough to understand what you are describing, that is an "RF choke", designed to help reduce radio frequency energey >from interfering with the modems electronics. It consists of a ferrite code with the phone wires wrapping around it a few times. This is one of those things that you'll probably not need, but is very useful when you do. There are many sources of RF out there in the world, and keeping it out of the modem is a good thing. STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 08:46 AM 8/22/99 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: >My 760CD came with a modem cord that contains >a cannister on one end. > >It is about 1 inch long, and about 1/2 inch in diameter. >It is about 2 or 3 inches from one end of the cable. > >I have long wondered what is the purpose of the >cannister? > >Does anyone know? > >Allan Ballard From cph Sun Aug 22 16:47:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA22317 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:47:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24268; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:46:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24102; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24079; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.7 -> dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:45:57 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA04195; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 15:45:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908222045.PAA04195@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga14-39.ix.netcom.com(207.95.119.103) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004175; Sun Aug 22 15:44:58 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "STeve Andre'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990822121919.00a63050@pilot.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cannister on TP modem cord List-Unsubscribe: Thanks! On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:19:19 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >If I am awake enough to understand what you are describing, that >is an "RF choke", designed to help reduce radio frequency energey >from interfering with the modems electronics. It consists of a >ferrite code with the phone wires wrapping around it a few times. > >This is one of those things that you'll probably not need, but is >very useful when you do. There are many sources of RF out there >in the world, and keeping it out of the modem is a good thing. > >STeve Andre' >andres@pilot.msu.edu > >At 08:46 AM 8/22/99 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: >>My 760CD came with a modem cord that contains >>a cannister on one end. >> >>It is about 1 inch long, and about 1/2 inch in diameter. >>It is about 2 or 3 inches from one end of the cable. >> >>I have long wondered what is the purpose of the >>cannister? >> >>Does anyone know? >> >>Allan Ballard From cph Sun Aug 22 19:55:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA22784 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:55:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29830; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:54:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29656; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29643; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (207.69.200.64 -> smtp4.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:54:17 -0400 Received: from lou1 (user-38ldihb.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.202.43]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA08001 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990822165017.00a609e0@mail.mindspring.com> X-Sender: lou1358@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:50:42 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Lou Subject: THINKPAD 380 ED-Auction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: http://classifieds.excite.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C2+R58777 Warm regards, -lou- From cph Sun Aug 22 22:08:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA23161 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:08:26 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19574; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:07:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19438; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19419; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:07:20 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA29074 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:07:39 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199908230207.VAA29074@europa.veggie.com> Subject: travelling to Germany To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:07:39 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: Wow .. thank you all for your useful suggestions and taking the time to share them with me. Keep them coming if you have more :-) I tried to write to everyone who mailed me individually, but this is just in case I lost track and missed someone. Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Sun Aug 22 22:10:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA23177 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:10:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20030; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:09:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19847; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19687; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:09:19 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA28878; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:31:00 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199908230131.UAA28878@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: travelling to Germany To: Alden.Klovdahl@anu.edu.au Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:31:00 -0500 (CDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: > 1. look at your power adapter and make sure it says something such as > 100-240 volts > 50/60 Hz > if it doesn't you need to buy a universal ac power adapter from ibm. check on that! > 2. buy a plug adapter in the states; it is harder to get an adapter plug > with designed to take a male u.s. cord plug outside the u.s. (with the > older power adapters you could just borrow a computer power cord from > whereever you were visiting and plug one end into your power adapter > and the other end into their wall socket.) Cool. The plug adapter is all I need if my powerbrick reads as above right? > 3. some phone have rj11's plugged into their base, so you don't always > need the correct wall socket plug ... sometimes you can just unplug the > cable at the phone end and plug that into your modem. failing that, > adapters for phones are usually available at computer or eletronic or > hardware stores ... sometimes even department stores with hardware > sections. ... in your country of destination. ... unless you want to > pay a lot more by buying one in the u.s. if you can find one. Good, I'll look at the phone there first and then if needed for the adapter in Hamburg. > 6. when flying out of a german airport, anticipate having your thinkpad > *very* thoroughly checked (an x-ray is only one of the steps involved) > which could take 10-15 minutes - assuming there was not a backlog of > computers to be checked. > > it is a nuisance, but personally i would rather fly wondering whether > my computer had been damaged in the process (it never has been and > probably can't be) but also knowing that no one has gotten onto the > plane with their computer packed with something other than computer > parts. I share you sentiment regarding thorough checking, though I don't believe they are very consistent. I am/look middle eastern and I always get way more attention than people who look like, say, Timothy McVeigh ... I understand why that is, but this doesn't make me feel any more safe. I'd rather have them pick on everyone :-) (Sorry I digressed). > 7. i trust each backup you do is onto at least two diskettes, as any > normally paranoid graduate student should. it is likely that everything > will go through the x-ray machine which should be no problem - it never > has been for me - but it wouldn't hurt to do a couple of hard copies and > send one back by mail, perhaps with one of the floppy backup sets. That's a good suggestion - it hadn't occurred to insure myself in that way by sending a copy back by mail, I will do this. > 8. also remember that airports are prime locations for computer theft. > rather than carrying a laptop by itself in its usual 'steal-me' case, No problem there, my student budget effectively prohibited me from spending any money on a fancy computer bag. My TP goes into my backpack with the rest of my gear. > 9. assuming you have a shell account, just find a computer room at any > university you visit and you should be able to telnet back. I've done this plenty of times in the US, I don't know how easy or accessible the campus will be in Germany, but I'll give this a try. If this works, I'll be content with it since my stay is relatively short. > oh well, enough of putting off getting back to a chapter i have to finish > within the next 48 hours. some things don't change even after you finish > graduate school! Oh no! > iowa must be nice this time of year ... most of last winter's snow melted > by now and still a week to go before the coming winter's snow starts. : - ) Ah, you've been here before eh? > hals- und beinbruch, al Vielen Dank und Tschuess, Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Sun Aug 22 22:12:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA23188 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:12:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20436; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:10:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20041; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20005; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:10:18 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA28989; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:51:20 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199908230151.UAA28989@europa.veggie.com> Subject: teakettle? To: ross@math.hawaii.edu Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:51:20 -0500 (CDT) Cc: Alden.Klovdahl@anu.edu.au, esmail@uiowa.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <005101beeac1$96e91d00$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> from "David Ross" at Aug 19, 99 06:07:56 pm Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: > Two good points. As for the second: standard European teakettle ^^^^^^^^^ > cords will indeed plug into the wall end of the 560 adapter; Come again? Is this some sort of technical terminology I'm not familiar with? Or are we really talking about kitchen appliances? Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Sun Aug 22 22:13:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA23192 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:13:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20772; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:11:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20350; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20215; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:11:06 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA28507; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:36:16 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199908230036.TAA28507@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: travelling to Germany To: A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:36:16 -0500 (CDT) Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu, esmail@uiowa.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199908192303.5144550.7@mail.stelarcom.de> from "Alexander Wagner" at Aug 19, 99 10:49:01 pm Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: > Maybe it's a good idea to place an ATX4 somewhere in the modems > initialization to keep it form waiting for a dialtone. I think I had to do this alread to get my H&A modem to work, but I'll keep this in mind. > >(I use an 'international' modem, so have not had to worry about > >this.) Many German phone lines send regular pulses through the line as part > of the billing process; these can screw up some modems > >(almost surely your H&A, alas). Oh well, I paid $20 for it and it has served me very well (and as an ethernet card too) so I won't complain about that. In the worst case I hope is that I might scurry up some place somewhere in Hamburg (perhaps at the university there) where I can get access to a terminal to telnet to my account over here. I will only be there for 10 - 15 days. If it was more permanent (it may become so next year) I'd be more worried. Thanks for the help and suggestions. Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Sun Aug 22 22:37:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA23240 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:37:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22161; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:36:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22019; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22006; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:36:43 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA29150 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:37:03 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199908230237.VAA29150@europa.veggie.com> Subject: TP 570 vs TP 600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:37:03 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: > >>The TP 600 has support for OS2. The 570 does not. > >Yeah, that's a real critical issue for the masses, since > >it owns such a large portion of the market >;P > >(Sarcasm intended) > > In the one dimension of e-mail words with no voice inflection I don't know > what your point is. But mine is; > > The reality is that some of us do have a professional need for an > operating system that is more stable and more capable then the vision ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > provided by M$ in Pretty DOS. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ For me that's Linux. By the way, maybe this has already been covered, but just out of curiosity, how does the TP 570 get along with Linux? (I'm quite happy with my trusty TP 560x for now, but it doesn't hurt to plan ahead :-). Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Mon Aug 23 02:05:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA23752 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:05:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29218; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:04:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29044; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29031; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:04:12 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-77.gate.net [207.36.212.77]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA164174; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:04:34 -0400 Message-ID: <37C0E448.F30EA9B7@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:03:52 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Battery to 99% only References: <199908221159.GAA28795@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: that 760CD battery should be a NiMH or Li and thus not be subject to shadow charge, but there is electronics inside that reports the state of charge to the charger.. thinkpads stop charging is the charge in the battery is 95% or more, thus a battery charged to 99% won't get more charge until it goes below thast 95% threshold.. AND, the best way to store a battery in a carry case is in such a way that errent metalic 'stuff' (a new electronic type term, like "teakettlecord") won't short out and set the case afire at an embarassing moment, like when running to catch the last train from zurich ot basel.. :-) Allan Ballard wrote: > Bill, > > I don't know what is going on, but once home, the > battery charged up to 100% again. I think I'll > discharge/recharge it again to see what happens. > > What is a good way to store a 2nd battery in a > travel case? > > Thanks. > Allan > > On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:18:37 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >Allan.. > >try starting the charge from 10% or so, then see if it takes a full > >charge.. > > > >Allan Ballard wrote: > > > >> My IBM battery for a 760CD only charges to 99 percent, > >> no matter how long it is given to charge. > >> > >> A 2nd battery charges to the full 100%. > >> > >> What goes on here? > >> > >> Both batteries seem to deliver the same amount > >> of time between charges. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> Allan Ballard > > > >-- > >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) > >WEB page http://thinkpads.com > >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > >vary, Done on a > >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Mon Aug 23 02:10:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA23762 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:10:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29856; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:09:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29659; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29643; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.7 -> dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:09:09 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA17034; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:08:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908230608.BAA17034@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga14-39.ix.netcom.com(207.95.119.103) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017030; Mon Aug 23 01:08:20 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Thinkpad" Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <37C0E448.F30EA9B7@icanect.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Battery to 99% only List-Unsubscribe: Bill, Thanks again! Aren't you the nightowl! I am packing to leave town :). Gotta scoot... Allan On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:03:52 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >that 760CD battery should be a NiMH or Li and thus not be subject to shadow >charge, but there is electronics inside that reports the state of charge to >the charger.. >thinkpads stop charging is the charge in the battery is 95% or more, thus a >battery charged to 99% won't get more charge until it goes below thast 95% >threshold.. > >AND, the best way to store a battery in a carry case is in such a way that >errent metalic 'stuff' (a new electronic type term, like "teakettlecord") >won't short out and set the case afire at an embarassing moment, like when >running to catch the last train from zurich ot basel.. :-) > > >Allan Ballard wrote: > >> Bill, >> >> I don't know what is going on, but once home, the >> battery charged up to 100% again. I think I'll >> discharge/recharge it again to see what happens. >> >> What is a good way to store a 2nd battery in a >> travel case? >> >> Thanks. >> Allan >> >> On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:18:37 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >> >> >Allan.. >> >try starting the charge from 10% or so, then see if it takes a full >> >charge.. >> > >> >Allan Ballard wrote: >> > >> >> My IBM battery for a 760CD only charges to 99 percent, >> >> no matter how long it is given to charge. >> >> >> >> A 2nd battery charges to the full 100%. >> >> >> >> What goes on here? >> >> >> >> Both batteries seem to deliver the same amount >> >> of time between charges. >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> Allan Ballard >> > >> >-- >> >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... >> > >> >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >> >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >> >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >> >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop >> >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >> >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... >> > >> >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will >> >vary, Done on a >> >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. >> > >> > > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will >vary, Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > From cph Mon Aug 23 04:30:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA24059 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 04:30:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09054; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 04:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 04:29:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08938; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 04:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08925; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 04:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 04:29:27 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA12994; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:29:20 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001101beed41$ab0f0ce0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Esmail Bonakdarian" Cc: References: <199908230151.UAA28989@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: teakettle? Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:29:49 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Me: >standard European teakettle > cords will indeed plug into the wall end of the 560 adapter; Esmail: > Come again? Is this some sort of technical terminology I'm not > familiar with? Or are we really talking about kitchen appliances? Yes. Teakettles in Europe commonly (if not inevitably) have a socket identical to the one on your 560 power brick; that way Philips, Braun, et al need only package different cords (with different wall plugs) for different countries. As these cords are prone to burnout, you can buy spares for a coupla bucks in the shops. For a short trip, the adapter is really the way to go; a Germany to US adapter is quite small - you'll have to buy a kit with a whole bunch, but don't take them all! Also, to be absolutely clear: you *don't* need a voltage converter, just the small plastic plug adapter. You might even find one near your office, in the travel section at Younkers. - David From cph Mon Aug 23 09:36:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA25043 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:36:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27133; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:33:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26946; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26933; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:33:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:33:14 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a184.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.184]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA29139; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908231333.JAA29139@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a184.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.184] 209.198.80.184 Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:26:37 -0400 To: Esmail Bonakdarian , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199908230237.VAA29150@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: TP 570 vs TP 600 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: >curiosity, how does the TP 570 get along with Linux? (I'm quite happy >with my trusty TP 560x for now, but it doesn't hurt to plan ahead :-). I haven't noticed anything here. Nor, have I seen any Linux drivers or comments about support on the TP Device Driver matrix. --Maybe IBM is waiting for the antitrust judge to rule on MS before really committing all the resources needed. Without a ruling against M$, I don't know if there is a good long-term business case for the expense. IOW, IBM has decided that there is no business case to support OS2 on the desktop against the M$ monopoly, and unless something turns the market place upside down, I can't see how they could make a case for desktop Linux either. _____________ Ed Letourneau From cph Mon Aug 23 09:50:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA25128 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:50:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28740; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:48:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28499; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28471; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (128.255.63.229 -> gauguin.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:48:50 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA30036; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:48:03 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199908231348.IAA30036@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: TP 570 vs TP 600 To: letoured@sover.net Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:48:03 -0500 (CDT) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199908231333.JAA29139@garnet.sover.net> from "letoured@sover.net" at Aug 23, 99 08:26:37 am Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian Content-Type: text List-Unsubscribe: letoured@sover.net writes: > > I haven't noticed anything here. Nor, have I seen any Linux drivers or > comments about support on the TP Device Driver matrix. Hi, actually I wasn't even really asking about official IBM support for Linux on these machines, but rather how tricky it was to get it to run on it. I've had Linux on my TP560x for the last year and love it. In case I had to replace the 560x with another TP I was thinking of the 570 as the closest model now that the 560 line has been discontinued. So I was wondering if anyone has had any special problems getting Linux to run on the 570. Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Mon Aug 23 11:33:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA25743 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:33:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06548; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:32:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06359; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06346; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:31:50 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-186.islandnet.com [139.142.112.186] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m11Iw4Z-0006dbC for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: teakettle - britain - 701 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:13:25 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <199908230151.UAA28989@europa.veggie.com> Lines: 27 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: We're going to Britain with our 701, "Tipper". (In Canada that's not a political statement, but "Tupper", the name of an early Prime Minister, might be. Americans leery of making a political statement with their ThinkPad name can have "Tupper"!) I have the plug adaptor and know that it will work (voltage adaptor not necessary). I'm a bit unclear on whether the teakettle cord applies to the 701. Since the power brick and the cord are all one piece, I'll guess not. I'm thinking that what I will need is an RJ-11-jack-to-British phone socket adaptor for the IBM PCMCIA modem. Anybody know what this is called? Any special init strings for Britain? At one point, North American modems were illegal to use in Britain, although they worked just fine. I wonder if they are still illegal. We will be there a few weeks, and will not always be in London. We won't need email, just ppp. Any ISP suggestions? -- cheers Jonathan From cph Mon Aug 23 11:59:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA25920 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:59:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08543; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:52:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08311; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08295; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:52:02 -0400 Received: from heiby.pr.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id KAA10201 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:51:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:06:54 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <4379.990823@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: teakettle? In-reply-To: <001101beed41$ab0f0ce0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> References: <001101beed41$ab0f0ce0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Monday, August 23, 1999, 3:29:49 AM, David wrote: DR> Yes. Teakettles in Europe commonly (if not inevitably) have DR> a socket identical to the one on your 560 power brick; that way DR> Philips, Braun, et al need only package different cords (with DR> different wall plugs) for different countries. As these cords are DR> prone to burnout, you can buy spares for a coupla bucks in the shops. Unfortunately, some genius redesigned the power supply for the 770ED (FRU 02K7007) to eliminate a couple of the best features of the supply used in the 755CE (FRU 85G6701). (I don't know about the intervening models). The supply I use with the 755CE is the best designed power supply I've ever seen, primarily because: 1) The AC cord is only about 6 inches long. This is long enough to go into a power strip without using up 2-3 outlets on the strip. It is short enough so as not to weigh a ton in the briefcase. 2) The brick end of the AC cord is the standardized connector of which David writes. I can go to any decent electronics supply house and buy a cord with that connector at one end and a wall connector for any country I choose. Since it is the same connector used on about a bazillion PCs, printers, and monitors, chances are that there's a 6-10 foot long spare cord wherever I happen to be that I can plug into with no problem at all. 3) The thin, light weight, DC cord is *long*, but it wraps *neatly* around the brick. Plus, the end snaps into a solid piece of the brick to keep everything tucked away and neat. 4) The whole thing is relatively small and easy to pack and to lug around. OTOH, the 770ED's power supply, although superficially similar, has an AC cord that is several feet long, making it heavier and bulkier. It's got some kind of goofy connector on the brick, making it incompatible with everything else in the universe. The DC cord is shorter, so even if I chopped all but about 6 inches from my AC cord, I'd be screwed. The DC end doesn't snap into anything. It just dangles there along with several feet of AC cord that get tied down with a hunk of velcro. Other than having a bunch of extra AC cord and DC end connector flopping around, it would be relatively small. All things considered, it's taking up about twice the space in my briefcase as the 755CE supply did. There! I've been wanting to vent on this for quite a while! In summary: The 755CE power supply should have won an industrial design award. The 770ED power supply looks like it was designed by someone who looked at the 755CE and didn't understand what makes it great. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN8FVd28pw+2/9pUJEQKbDACgifYLNSrAR61Ne5r6+86ZNGwAr8AAnRnP u9EdzWoS0Z8oOCF1AQ+aLXi2 =3ye1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Mon Aug 23 12:04:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA25966 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:04:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09778; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:02:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09436; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09418; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:02:20 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-095.usc.edu [128.125.223.95]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA17725 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990823090057.01ded030@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:01:12 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: 15 Hr. Battery Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: THE 15-HOUR BATTERY: It's no fun when you're on your way to work, trying to finish a spreadsheet in time for that 8:30 meeting, when, zap! Your notebook runs out of juice. Fret not. There's a fresh crop of batteries that our tests found could run an IBM ThinkPad 560 Pentium MMX-233 notebook for 15 hours, which is five times the lasting power of ThinkPad's standard battery. Electrofuel's new external PowerPad 160 battery, priced at $499, will be available for select IBM and Acer notebooks in September, and may appear on other portables this fall. http://www.pcworld.com/pcwtoday/article/0,1510,12294,00.html From cph Mon Aug 23 13:00:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA26307 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:00:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14909; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:58:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14607; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14593; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:58:41 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26766.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.247]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA13303 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <22e901beed88$a60170c0$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: Subject: FA: IBM 20X CD-ROM for ThinkPad 760 and 765 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:57:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Units are Factory Refurbished (by IBM). They work with 760's CD, E (U3B, U3L, and U9B only), ED, EL, ELD, LD, XL, XD, all 765 models, Dock I, Dock II, and all SelectaDocks (Dock I and II, and SelectaDock III require additional mounting kits, Dock I and II require IDE adaptation kit for PCI-based 760 models). This is a Dutch Auction for 2 units and ends in 14 hours from now. The current high bid is $35. They will go to the highest bidder (no reserve price). To bid, please go to the following link: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=148360493 Thanks, Carlos. From cph Mon Aug 23 14:02:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA26862 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:02:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19882; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:01:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19738; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19709; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (204.181.57.17 -> p57017.syspac.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:01:06 -0400 Received: (from jones@localhost) by box3.pyrrhusoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id LAA10042; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:00:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:00:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199908231800.LAA10042@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> From: David Jones To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Cleaning 701 Keyboard? List-Unsubscribe: I know this question has been asked before but I never kept track of the replies. How easy (or difficult) is it to clean one of these ThinkPad keyboards? My 701 requires extra hard key presses on some of the keys and the mouse buttons. I assume there has been a gradual build up of dirt and grime. Is this a job for the experts? Thanks, David Jones From cph Mon Aug 23 15:26:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA27403 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:26:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25792; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:24:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25649; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25623; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:24:52 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA14695; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:24:43 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003c01beed9d$38876bc0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Jonathan Berry" Cc: "ThinkPad List" References: <199908230151.UAA28989@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: teakettle - britain - 701 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:25:10 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > I'm thinking that what I will need is an RJ-11-jack-to-British phone > socket adaptor for the IBM PCMCIA modem. Anybody know what this > is called? Any special init strings for Britain? You should be able to find a modem adapter at any big computer/electronics shop where you live now, but - in a pinch - you can go to shops like Dixons in England and tell them what you need - many will have an adapter that takes both US and UK plugs as input, and has a UK plug output; this will work for you. > We will be there a few weeks, and will not always be in London. > We won't need email, just ppp. Any ISP suggestions? There are now lots of *free* ISPs in the UK; they get their money from a fraction of the phone connect time. I suggest www.free-online.net , since you can subscribe over the internet (even today, from Canada). They *do* need a local address/phone, I think. Alternately, many US ISPs have a POP in the UK (e.g. IBM, AOL, Compuserve). Warning: IBM (and maybe the others) charge a surcharge for using them when on a different continent from your original subscription area. - David R. From cph Mon Aug 23 15:38:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA27470 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:38:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27042; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:36:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26885; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26872; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:36:46 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA14802; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:36:39 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <005701beed9e$e32c4ea0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Ronald W. Heiby" , References: <001101beed41$ab0f0ce0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> <4379.990823@falkor.chi.il.us> Subject: Re: Re[2]: teakettle? Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:37:07 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Ron: [re the 755CE power supply] > 2) The brick end of the AC cord is the standardized connector of which > David writes. I can go to any decent electronics supply house and buy > a cord with that connector at one end and a wall connector for any > country I choose. Since it is the same connector used on about a > bazillion PCs, printers, and monitors [...snip...] Just so there's no confusion: the 'teakettle' connector on the 560 cord is a small 2-prong plug; the connector on most desktop PC equipment (cases, monitors, printers) is a large 3-prong unit. I don't know which of these Ron is referring to on the 755CE brick. The small 2-pronger is, well, smaller, though the latter is often convenient - the power bricks for my IBM external CD and my external portable HD have this kind of connector; since I rarely use both at the same time, I need only carry one wire with me. - David From cph Mon Aug 23 16:03:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA27594 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:03:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29153; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:02:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29062; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29046; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:02:29 -0400 Received: from heiby.pr.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id PAA01387 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:02:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:02:08 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <14626.990823@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[4]: teakettle? In-reply-To: <005701beed9e$e32c4ea0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> References: <005701beed9e$e32c4ea0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Monday, August 23, 1999, 2:37:07 PM, David wrote: DR> Just so there's no confusion: the 'teakettle' connector on DR> the 560 cord is a small 2-prong plug; the connector on most DR> desktop PC equipment (cases, monitors, printers) is a large DR> 3-prong unit. Well, there *was* confusion. Sorry. The 755CE power supply's brick has the large 3-prong connector found on desktop PC equipment. I believe I have seen someone's ThinkPad with the small 2-prong connector David mentions. The 770ED has a very similar connector, except that it has THREE prongs and I've never seen *anything* else that uses it. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN8Govm8pw+2/9pUJEQIC4QCgjCfJ+G7PcprhMtNArMtQiqL7RKQAoOAq Ny5aNHL5L8DClvFeeXYuXGFw =Vqin -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Mon Aug 23 17:00:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA27990 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:00:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04208; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:58:35 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03830; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:58:34 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id QAA07489 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19248; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:20:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:20:01 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a151.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.151]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA03947; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908160119.VAA03947@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a151.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.151] 209.198.80.151 Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:57:52 -0400 To: "Derek Seaman" , In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Screen Dims after display blanks X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >Wow I wish windows was 3-4 seconds to come alive! It's a good minute on >my machine...with Win98. I was misleading and didn't intend to -- but it made me put a stop watch on it. On the 600E: >From suspend (with the lid closed) to when programs respond is 17 seconds. --The curser is actually responsive in 7 seconds, but nothing else seems to happen while the system is reloading. From hibernate, starting with the power on switch to when a program responds is about 50 seconds. On the old 560 (the original 100mhz one): >From suspend (with the lid close) to when programs respond (meaning they can be used) is literally 7 seconds. --I wish the 600 worked like this! _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph Mon Aug 23 17:03:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28001 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:03:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04818; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:59:16 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03922; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:59:11 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id QAA07515 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24394; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.89 -> web116.yahoomail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:48:47 -0400 Message-ID: <19990818174014.20348.rocketmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Received: from [129.15.167.229] by web116.yahoomail.com; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:40:14 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:40:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicolas Bourbaki Subject: Disgruntled Hard Drive To: TP List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Aaarrrgh!!! My TP600 got mad at me when I checked on upgrading the hard drive. Windoze blew so I started the recovery process that would just restore C drive rather than restore the entire hdd to shipped-from-factory condition, since I have all my data on D drive. Being of less than sound mind, I chose the wrong option and the recovery process started to restore everything to from-factory condition. I realized this and out of it after ten seconds but now there's no C or D drive. Fdisk shows only one partition, C, and it's not accessible since there's no O/S on it. Even with a starup disk it's not recognized. I couldn't care less about C, but really would like to get my data off D. Any ideas? >From now on I'll have to backup first and check out upgrading more surreptitiously. The best plan would have been to get the ultraslim bay hdd adapter from Bill Morrow and then proceed, something that I was going to do anyway. Now I'll be reconstructing data for some time if I can't get it from D drive... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph Mon Aug 23 17:04:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28009 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:04:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05003; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:59:42 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04046; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:59:39 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id QAA07526 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mickey.ee.pdx.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13902; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mickey.ee.pdx.edu (131.252.209.58 -> mickey.ee.pdx.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:42:53 -0400 Received: from ithicles.ee.pdx.edu (pitakc@ithicles.ee.pdx.edu [131.252.209.44]) by mickey.ee.pdx.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA18883; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:42:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Pitak Chenkosol Received: (from pitakc@localhost) by ithicles.ee.pdx.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) id OAA25814; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908192142.OAA25814@ithicles.ee.pdx.edu> Subject: Re: Disgruntled hard drive To: nicolas_bourbaki@yahoo.com (Nicolas Bourbaki) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <19990819200608.20938.rocketmail@web129.yahoomail.com> from "Nicolas Bourbaki" at Aug 19, 99 01:06:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > > Aaarrrgggh!!! > > My TP600 must've heard me inquiring about upgrading > the hard drive. In any event, Windoze got hosed and I > started the recovery process. I intended to restore > the C partition and leave D--where my data > resides--alone. > > Started the process but chose the option that restores > the hdd to from-factory condition instead :-( > Realized my mistake after about 10 seconds and esc out > of it. > > However, now I can't access C or D drive... Fdisk > shows only C partition and it's missing an O/S > > Any suggestions to recover files from D? I couldn't > care less about C but my backup isn't too recent and I > wish to heck I'd gotten the ultraslim bay adapter from > Bill Morrow before proceeding down this dangerous road > fraught with errors and terrors... > > Thanks! Fear no more. All the data in the D: drive is still there (assumed that you did not format the whole drive). There are several data recovery software packages outthere that will allow you to recover data from the drive. I personally used the program called Lost&Found. The latest version is 1.01. It worked well for me. My last episode was to extract data out of an 18GB drive. I got all the data that I needed. It took a while though because the program had to scan for data sector by sector. That how Lost&Found operates. This way the program will even allow you to extract data out of original C: drive. As long as the drive is still spinning you still have a chance of recovering your data. If you decide to give Lost&Found a try, please, please, read the manual carefully. Don't attempt to do anything further to the drive unless you are comfortable working with computers. If the original drive is a big drive with big partitions, it is a good idea to have a comparable size drive hook up to the machine so that you can just copy the data over instead of using tons of floppy disks. I am in no way affiliated with the producer of Lost&Found. Just a customer. Hope that helps and good luck. PC -- Pitak Chenkosol, Dept. Electrical Eng.,| " I was born not knowing and have Portland State University, | only had a little time to change P.O. Box 751, Portland, OR 97207-0751. | that here and there." E-mail: pitakc@ee.pdx.edu | Richard P. Feynman From cph Mon Aug 23 17:04:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28013 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:04:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05106; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:00:06 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04155; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:00:03 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id QAA07542 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16661; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (199.0.65.247 -> mail-out-0.tiac.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:17:15 -0400 Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02469; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:17:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA23986; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:16:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:16:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'STeve Andre''" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Disgruntled hard drive Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:16:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I wonder if the new Powerquest Lost and Found product can help? 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com -----Original Message----- From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@pilot.msu.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 4:54 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Disgruntled hard drive >If fdisk doesn't show the D: partition anymore, then chances are that the data >is gone so far that only expensive, professional data recovery could bring >anything back. If you can 'find' the partition somehow, then you may have a >chance. Perhaps another utility like fdisk (maybe the linux version or the >OS/2 one) would have better luck. > >Sorry... From cph Mon Aug 23 17:06:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28035 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:06:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05535; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:02:21 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04681; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:02:20 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id RAA07581 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cosrel1.hp.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02835; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cosrel1.hp.com (156.153.255.170 -> cosrel1.hp.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:43:01 -0400 Received: from xboibrg3.boi.hp.com (xboibrg3.boi.hp.com [15.56.8.159]) by cosrel1.hp.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id OAA06006 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by xboibrg3.boi.hp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:42:24 -0600 Message-ID: <973751E29EE0D211976800A0C9F446FE01604633@xboi05.boi.hp.com> From: "MAHAFFY,BRIAN (HP-Boise,ex1)" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: New version of 770? Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:36:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I just started looking into getting a 770, but it seems that our normal supplier (CompUSA) can't seem to get them anymore. No current stock and no availability from IBM for more. Many of the other TPs have gone to the 400 Mhz P-II, but not the 770. Has anyone heard of there being a new version "real soon now"? If so, are there any other enhancements beyond the 400 Mhz chip? ...Brian From cph Mon Aug 23 17:19:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28096 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:19:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07122; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:19:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07020; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07000; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (209.228.14.77 -> c004-h006.c004.sfo.cp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:19:03 -0400 Received: (cpmta 12758 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 14:18:57 -0700 Received: from thinkpad600.brightware.com (HELO THINKPAD600) (206.156.118.149) by smtp.detayls.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 14:18:57 -0700 X-Sent: 23 Aug 1999 21:18:57 GMT Message-ID: <013301beedad$32b65d90$95769cce@THINKPAD600> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , "Derek Seaman" , References: <199908160119.VAA03947@pike.sover.net> Subject: Re: Screen Dims after display blanks Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:19:33 -0700 Organization: Detayls MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: These times would be more meaningful, if you included some configuration details for comparison. It would be useful to know the hardware configuration (disk, ram, Ethernet) and the software configuration (OS and so on). Also it would be more valid, if you try this both running from AC and from battery. As such your test is currently relatively subjective. David ----- Original Message ----- > > On the 600E: > > From suspend (with the lid closed) to when programs respond is 17 seconds. > --The curser is actually responsive in 7 seconds, but nothing else seems > to happen while the system is reloading. From hibernate, starting with the > power on switch to when a program responds is about 50 seconds. > > On the old 560 (the original 100mhz one): > > From suspend (with the lid close) to when programs respond (meaning they > can be used) is literally 7 seconds. --I wish the 600 worked like this! From cph Mon Aug 23 17:24:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28134 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:24:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07628; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:23:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07484; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07470; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:23:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from usc.edu (128.125.253.136 -> usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:23:15 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (root@scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.19.183]) by usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with ESMTP id OAA27783 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from colin (colin.usc.edu [128.125.138.201]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/usc) with SMTP id OAA19234 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Sender: "John Sterni" To: Subject: Battery for Thinkpad 365dx Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:22:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1A2C3CCDF0BED111B59200A0C9AB29580B42ED@schumacher.usc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Hello All, I was wondering if anyone of you would happen to know of a fast source for a battery for a thinkpad 365dx.. IBM wants 115 bucks for one, that a little steep in my opinion for a laptop no longer being made. My main thing is that I need one soon.. I'd appreciate any help. Thanks John Sterni -- sterni@usc.edu Technical Project Specialist USC School of Engineering Technology Transfer Center Los Angeles, CA 90007 http://www.usc.edu/go/TTC phone: (213) 743-4463 From cph Tue Aug 24 01:39:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA29897 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 01:39:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29377; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 01:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 01:37:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29184; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 01:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29171; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 01:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 01:37:49 -0400 Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA29675; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 01:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id BAA29726; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 01:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: Esmail Bonakdarian Cc: letoured@sover.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 570 vs TP 600 References: <199908231348.IAA30036@europa.veggie.com> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 24 Aug 1999 01:37:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian's message of "Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:48:03 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: Esmail Bonakdarian writes: > So I was wondering if anyone has had any special problems getting > Linux to run on the 570. I just installed SuSE 6.1 with no problems. I haven't spent any time getting sound or APM to work, but everything else (like X) worked fine with no effort. Here are two web pages on just this topic: http://www.idiom.com/~jeremydb/thinkpad-570.html http://www.concentric.net/~aleph0/linux/tp570/ Peace, dNb From cph Tue Aug 24 02:05:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA29936 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:05:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00654; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:04:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00505; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00491; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:04:53 -0400 Received: from ip-216.145.8.21.az.com (ip-216.145.8.21.az.com [216.145.8.21]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA02058 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:04:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199908240604.XAA02058@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Mon, 23 Aug 99 23:11:16 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 365XD question List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:17:33 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >You know the answer, even if you are hoping it will be otherwise.. :-) Didn't someone once say think positive? ;) >there MAY be sonme PCMCIA based soft DVD that the P100 (is that not what >cpu it has?!) can run, but while i have a vague recollection of seeing P-133 I believe. >note: the 365XD was the pentium version of the 365ED which had a cyrix >or some such cpu.. Well it is a fine laptop. I haven't had a lick of problems with it as far as usage wise. Ok, the issue with burned roms is one thing but that's a moot point. It still does everything I need a laptop for. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Tue Aug 24 02:13:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA29952 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:13:00 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01281; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:11:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01112; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01096; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:11:49 -0400 Received: from ip-216.145.8.21.az.com (ip-216.145.8.21.az.com [216.145.8.21]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA02760 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:11:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199908240611.XAA02760@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Mon, 23 Aug 99 23:18:08 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Battery for Thinkpad 365dx List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:22:24 -0700, sterni@usc.edu wrote: >Hello All, > > I was wondering if anyone of you would happen to know of a fast source for >a battery for a thinkpad 365dx.. IBM wants 115 bucks for one, that a little >steep in my opinion for a laptop no longer being made. My main thing is >that I need one soon.. John, I got mine off Ebay as new. One ( I didn't react fast enough before auction ran out) is brand IBM. The other two are BTI. Some advice about buying batteries. I had to send one BTI back due to it wouldn't fit. Some model, same everything as BTI battery #1, but #2 was just a fraction too big. Make sure whoever you buy your battery from, it has a return policy. I tried finding the name of the company that was selling them, but I couldn't find it. Have you tried pricewatch.com?? Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Tue Aug 24 03:18:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA30076 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 03:18:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05664; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 03:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 03:17:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05474; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 03:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wineasy.se (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05460; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 03:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wineasy.se (195.42.198.21 -> mail.wineasy.se) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 03:17:05 -0400 Received: from [195.67.253.130] by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.at1j) with ESMTP id ba983503 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:17:00 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990824091717.007ea3e0@mail.wineasy.se> X-Sender: courage@mail.wineasy.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:17:17 +0200 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Wennersten Subject: how to unsubscribe from list? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Is not the automatic unsubscribe function working properly (I remember a thread about from some time ago). I tried unsubscribing but nothing happens. How do I unsubscribe? Peter From cph Tue Aug 24 08:35:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA30850 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:35:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24481; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:34:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24222; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24198; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:33:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA09626; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:33:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:33:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Peter Wennersten cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: how to unsubscribe from list? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990824091717.007ea3e0@mail.wineasy.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Peter Wennersten wrote: > Is not the automatic unsubscribe function working properly (I remember a > thread about from some time ago). I tried unsubscribing but nothing > happens. How do I unsubscribe? > There is NO automatic unsubscribe function. You need to remember how to do it or remember where to find the information. Depending on how you view this forum determines how accessable unsubscribe information is to you. The information is actually contained (in my opinion hidden) in the header of messages. The way to List-Unsubscribe: mailto:thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe Bruce From cph Tue Aug 24 08:35:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA30854 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:35:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24496; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:32:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23999; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23986; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:32:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:32:37 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc4a47.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.239]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA24372 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908241232.IAA24372@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc4a47.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.239] 209.198.81.239 Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:30:47 -0400 To: In-Reply-To: <013301beedad$32b65d90$95769cce@THINKPAD600> Subject: Re: Screen Dims after display blanks X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b62 List-Unsubscribe: There is nothing subjective about it. I used a stop-watch. The issue arrived because someone thought his screen came up dim from suspended and/or hibernation. So I timed mine to see if it took as long to go from dark to bright, as the other fellow reported. It didn't. --My machines are a 366mhz TP600 with 128mb or ram, running OS2 ver. 4. The times are the same on battery or AC. The TP560 is the original. 100mhz with 40mb of ram, running OS2. The number mean nothing more and nothing less then they are. I wasn't trying to compare operating systems or anything else except how slow/fast the same model machine responds when you do the same thing. >These times would be more meaningful, if you included some configuration >details for comparison. It would be useful to know the hardware >configuration (disk, ram, Ethernet) and the software configuration (OS >and so on). Also it would be more valid, if you try this both running >from AC and from battery. As such your test is currently relatively >subjective. >David >----- Original Message ----- > >> On the 600E: >> >> From suspend (with the lid closed) to when programs respond is 17 seconds. >> --The curser is actually responsive in 7 seconds, but nothing else seems >> to happen while the system is reloading. From hibernate, starting with the >> power on switch to when a program responds is about 50 seconds. >> >> On the old 560 (the original 100mhz one): >> >> From suspend (with the lid close) to when programs respond (meaning they >> can be used) is literally 7 seconds. --I wish the 600 worked like this! _____________ Ed Letourneau From cph Tue Aug 24 13:07:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA32345 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:07:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15663; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:04:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15331; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.lynxus.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15304; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.lynxus.com (12.6.137.108 -> mail.lynxus.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:04:21 -0400 Received: from default (cust-098223.raleigh.lynxus.com [12.4.98.223]) by mail.lynxus.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA17031 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:04:18 -0400 Message-ID: <004601beee52$81aa4060$ef62040c@default> From: "Larry Mormino" To: Subject: Hard drive replacement Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:02:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01BEEE30.F9D85DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BEEE30.F9D85DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just put a new hard drive in my TP 510. I had to use EZ- Drive to get = it to recognize the 1.4 gb drive(replaced 200 mb). But now I can't get = the PCMCIA port to reconize the CD-ROM. How do I do complete the job? = Larry ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BEEE30.F9D85DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just put a = new hard=20 drive in my TP 510. I had to use EZ- Drive to get it to recognize the = 1.4 gb=20 drive(replaced 200 mb). But now I can't get the PCMCIA port to reconize = the=20 CD-ROM. How do I do complete the job? = Larry
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BEEE30.F9D85DA0-- From cph Tue Aug 24 13:26:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA32458 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:25:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17307; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:25:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17164; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpcug.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17141; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpcug.org (205.197.248.25 -> cpcug.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:24:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (emahar@localhost) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA18807; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:17:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Ellen Mahar To: "MAHAFFY,BRIAN (HP-Boise,ex1)" cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: New version of 770? In-Reply-To: <973751E29EE0D211976800A0C9F446FE01604633@xboi05.boi.hp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Supposed to be a new chipping coming in Fall 99. Code name Geyserville, for mobile PC. 600 Mhz attached to socket, 400 Mhz when used on battery power. emahar@cpcug.org From cph Tue Aug 24 20:06:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA03095 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:06:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15887; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:03:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15697; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15683; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:03:10 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-279.gate.net [199.227.173.25]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA282900; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:03:16 -0400 Message-ID: <37C3329A.6661A00F@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:02:34 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Mormino CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hard drive replacement References: <004601beee52$81aa4060$ef62040c@default> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6AC56B2EEA4A38831D55E6A6" List-Unsubscribe: --------------6AC56B2EEA4A38831D55E6A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit check your resources.. what OS..?? Larry Mormino wrote: > I just put a new hard drive in my TP 510. I had to use EZ- Drive to > get it to recognize the 1.4 gb drive(replaced 200 mb). But now I can't > get the PCMCIA port to reconize the CD-ROM. How do I do complete the > job? Larry -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------6AC56B2EEA4A38831D55E6A6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit check your resources..
what OS..??

Larry Mormino wrote:

I just put a new hard drive in my TP 510. I had to use EZ- Drive to get it to recognize the 1.4 gb drive(replaced 200 mb). But now I can't get the PCMCIA port to reconize the CD-ROM. How do I do complete the job? Larry

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770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------6AC56B2EEA4A38831D55E6A6-- From cph Tue Aug 24 20:09:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA03121 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:09:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16374; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:07:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16273; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16250; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:07:22 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-279.gate.net [199.227.173.25]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA128554; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:01:24 -0400 Message-ID: <37C3322B.56E5A3AC@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:00:43 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "MAHAFFY,BRIAN (HP-Boise,ex1)" CC: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: New version of 770? References: <973751E29EE0D211976800A0C9F446FE01604633@xboi05.boi.hp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: look for an announcement ABOUT the usual time (October) and availability sometime thereafter (like a very vew early models, maybe, then nothing for a month or more) since i don't make notes, i can't remember all the changes and enhancements, like a larger display.. "MAHAFFY,BRIAN (HP-Boise,ex1)" wrote: > Hi all, > > I just started looking into getting a 770, but it seems that our normal > supplier (CompUSA) can't seem to get them anymore. No current stock and no > availability from IBM for more. Many of the other TPs have gone to the 400 > Mhz P-II, but not the 770. Has anyone heard of there being a new version > "real soon now"? If so, are there any other enhancements beyond the 400 Mhz > chip? > > ...Brian -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Tue Aug 24 21:45:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA03566 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:45:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21112; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:44:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21012; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20988; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (209.185.123.18 -> mc-qout4.whowhere.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:44:38 -0400 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by my-deja.com; Tue Aug 24 18:44:29 1999 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:44:29 -0700 From: "soul mann" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: 770 Ultrabay 2nd Hard Disk Adapter X-Sender-Ip: 129.15.167.234 Organization: My Deja Email (http://www.my-deja.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bought subject adapter and a 4gig hard disk, thinking it was plug and go. From the looks of it I need either a 760 series caddy or some other kind of adapter to stick the 4gig into? Where can I get the adapter (preferably not 760)? PC Zone has no idea. --- #include --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From cph Tue Aug 24 23:05:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA03984 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:05:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24696; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:04:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24539; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24517; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.252.128 -> wya-lfd64.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:04:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 61697 invoked by uid 0); 25 Aug 1999 03:04:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990825030431.61696.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 210.55.237.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:04:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [210.55.237.83] From: "No-Particular Name" To: soulmann@my-deja.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad Second HDD adapter. Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:04:31 AZST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: If you find out, I would like to know too. Regards, Jonathan ----Original Message Follows---- From: "soul mann" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770 Ultrabay 2nd Hard Disk Adapter Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:44:29 -0700 Bought subject adapter and a 4gig hard disk, thinking it was plug and go. >From the looks of it I need either a 760 series caddy or some other kind of adapter to stick the 4gig into? Where can I get the adapter (preferably not 760)? PC Zone has no idea. --- #include --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Tue Aug 24 23:07:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA03989 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:07:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25081; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:06:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24848; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24739; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.252.158 -> wya-lfd94.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:05:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 94726 invoked by uid 0); 25 Aug 1999 03:05:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19990825030539.94725.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 210.55.237.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:05:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [210.55.237.83] From: "No-Particular Name" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: External FDD adapter for 760CD Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:05:39 AZST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know if I can just put in my internal hotswappable floppy into one of these external adapter kits? Regards, chickendude ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Wed Aug 25 00:19:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA04257 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:19:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28490; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:18:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28251; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28238; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:17:55 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-141.gate.net [207.36.212.141]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA35066; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:18:21 -0400 Message-ID: <37C36E63.F8CBBE2C@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:17:39 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: No-Particular Name CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: External FDD adapter for 760CD References: <19990825030539.94725.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: what adapter kit ? the answer is, most lkely, yes... No-Particular Name wrote: > Does anyone know if I can just put in my internal hotswappable floppy into > one of these external adapter kits? > > Regards, > chickendude > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Wed Aug 25 00:25:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA04279 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:25:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29034; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:24:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28916; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28903; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:23:55 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-141.gate.net [207.36.212.141]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA441014; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:23:26 -0400 Message-ID: <37C36F94.BAE60C67@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:22:44 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: soul mann CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Anonymous or no particular name?? Subject: Re: 770 Ultrabay 2nd Hard Disk Adapter References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: what you need IS either a 760 HDD shell OR a 770 HDD shell for the 4gig drive so it will be accepted in the 2nd HDD adapter OR (in the case of a 770 HDD shell) the drive bay on your 770... soul mann wrote: > Bought subject adapter and a 4gig hard disk, thinking it was plug and go. From the looks of it I need either a 760 series caddy or some other kind of adapter to stick the 4gig into? Where can I get the adapter (preferably not 760)? PC Zone has no idea. > > --- > #include > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Wed Aug 25 02:50:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA04676 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:50:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04357; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:49:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04252; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04238; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (128.49.4.4 -> marlin.nosc.mil) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:49:23 -0400 Received: from dlsthinkpad (nradpc-ascend-ppp42.nosc.mil [198.253.40.242]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA03832 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:49:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek Seaman" To: Subject: mouse pointer wanders Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:46:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <013301beedad$32b65d90$95769cce@THINKPAD600> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: On my PII 300 600E, my mouse pointer can slowly crawl around on it's own. Sometimes it moves slowly across the screen for 30 seconds with absolutely no user input. Recently it seems to be doing it more. Usually it's in one or two pixel increments...so it's quite slow. But very aggrivating if I'm web surfing and the pointer keeps movin of the scroll bars. I presume this isn't normal.......is it? Derek From cph Wed Aug 25 03:21:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA04776 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:21:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08300; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:19:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07905; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from olsmail1.att.net.hk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07891; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from olsmail1.att.net.hk (202.77.253.46 -> olsmail1.att.net.hk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:19:16 -0400 Received: from steve (ppp6-42.att.net.hk [202.77.163.42]) by olsmail1.att.net.hk (8.8.8/AT&T-EasyLink-AP) with SMTP id PAA23040; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:19:03 +0800 (HKT) Reply-To: From: "Steve Wong" To: "'Derek Seaman'" , Subject: RE: mouse pointer wanders Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:18:42 +0800 Message-ID: <000201beeeca$1639be00$dddedede@steve> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: Hi Derek, All trackpoints readjust themselves after a period of time. It's entirely normal. SUre sometimes it can be aggrivating :) especially when you are doing something which needs accurate mouse movement... Cheers, Steve -----Original Message----- From: Derek Seaman [mailto:dseaman@spawar.navy.mil] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 2:47 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: mouse pointer wanders On my PII 300 600E, my mouse pointer can slowly crawl around on it's own. Sometimes it moves slowly across the screen for 30 seconds with absolutely no user input. Recently it seems to be doing it more. Usually it's in one or two pixel increments...so it's quite slow. But very aggrivating if I'm web surfing and the pointer keeps movin of the scroll bars. I presume this isn't normal.......is it? Derek From cph Wed Aug 25 03:36:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA04815 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:36:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09894; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:35:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09510; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09495; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl (204.182.16.2 -> tdl.tdl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:35:10 -0400 Received: from chuck (tdl-dyn202.tdl.com [205.162.12.202]) by tdl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA02665 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:35:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199908250735.AAA02665@tdl> From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:34:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: HD Upgrade on 380ED?? Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) List-Unsubscribe: When I bought my 380ED 15 months ago, its 2.1gb hard drive seemed incredibly spacious (remembering it wasn't THAT long ago that I was awed by the 80MB!! of my trusty first laptop, the PS/Note). Now of course, I could use double the hard drive space. :-( I know that the hard drive in the 380ED is not "user upgradable." But I would like to upgrade it to a 4 or 5 gb drive. Anybody have any ideas? Anybody on this list do that work? The laptop is still under (extended) warranty with EzServe. Thanks for ideas.... Chuck Blaisdell From cph Wed Aug 25 11:51:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA07138 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:51:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14176; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:47:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13732; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13623; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:46:34 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-115.gate.net [199.227.20.178]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA183350; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:46:46 -0400 Message-ID: <37C40FBC.A92EF239@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:46:04 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: technical@rosenbluth.com.hk CC: "'Derek Seaman'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: mouse pointer wanders References: <000201beeeca$1639be00$dddedede@steve> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: on earlier thinkpads (755, 760 series) you could stop this readjustment (or accelerate the process) with two or so rapid right mouse clicks.. this feature seems to have disappeared in the 770 and 600 series.. to avoid more readjustment, get into the habit of NOT resting your finger tip on the pointer stick.. this is the usual cause of readjustments.. :-) Steve Wong wrote: > Hi Derek, > > All trackpoints readjust themselves after a period of time. It's entirely > normal. > > SUre sometimes it can be aggrivating :) especially when you are doing > something which needs accurate mouse movement... > > Cheers, > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Seaman [mailto:dseaman@spawar.navy.mil] > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 2:47 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: mouse pointer wanders > > On my PII 300 600E, my mouse pointer can slowly crawl around on it's own. > Sometimes it moves slowly across the screen for 30 seconds with absolutely > no user input. Recently it seems to be doing it more. > > Usually it's in one or two pixel increments...so it's quite slow. But very > aggrivating if I'm web surfing and the pointer keeps movin of the scroll > bars. > > I presume this isn't normal.......is it? > > Derek -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Wed Aug 25 11:57:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA07181 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:57:01 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14922; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:55:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14652; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14612; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:55:08 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-115.gate.net [199.227.20.178]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA197206; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:55:32 -0400 Message-ID: <37C411CA.3D7AF7BB@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:54:50 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cblaisd@tdl.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD Upgrade on 380ED?? References: <199908250735.AAA02665@tdl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Chuck.. the 380 will accept up to, at least, a 6.4gig drive (and maybe even the 14gig (i need to check on this)) and you CAN upgrade it yourself.. its really easy.. you can reuse the bracket thats there as well... lartge HDD's are getting cheaper and there is no reason upgrading the drive should cause any warranty problems.. the drives usually have at least one year and more often 2 or 3 year warranties.. in fact, a 10gig i sold to a fellow which subsequently started to get flaky, was replaced by ibm directly!... i know this since i helped him get his data off this particular drive... (he HAD recently upgraded the OS, i think, and this might have had some part in the "flakiness") Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > When I bought my 380ED 15 months ago, its 2.1gb hard drive seemed > incredibly spacious (remembering it wasn't THAT long ago that I was > awed by the 80MB!! of my trusty first laptop, the PS/Note). > > Now of course, I could use double the hard drive space. :-( > > I know that the hard drive in the 380ED is not "user upgradable." > > But I would like to upgrade it to a 4 or 5 gb drive. Anybody have any > ideas? Anybody on this list do that work? The laptop is still under > (extended) warranty with EzServe. > > Thanks for ideas.... > > Chuck Blaisdell -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Wed Aug 25 12:43:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07558 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:43:52 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18948; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:42:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18788; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18773; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:42:29 -0400 Received: from denhall (tc2-10.ismi.net [205.216.96.65]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA17693; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004401beef21$577817c0$4160d8cd@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "No-Particular Name" , Subject: Re: External FDD adapter for 760CD Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:43:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello Mr. Chickendude... Yes, you just snap your UltraBay floppy drive into the external adapter case. Very Nifty. Very convenient. I have some of these available in case you have need. I also have the kit with a brand new 1.44mb floppy in it too... And...while we're speaking about it...just about any 760 accessory you'd want... Have a Nice Day, Denis Hall, Michigan denhall@ismi.net -----Original Message----- From: No-Particular Name To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 4:05 AM Subject: External FDD adapter for 760CD >Does anyone know if I can just put in my internal hotswappable floppy into >one of these external adapter kits? > >Regards, >chickendude > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From cph Wed Aug 25 13:26:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07853 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:26:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21679; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:15:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21364; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21341; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.28 -> secure.smtp.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:15:35 -0400 Received: from ppro200 - 63.14.58.64 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:15:33 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Richard A. Bilancia" To: Subject: TP 560X Fuel Gauge & Configuration Utility problem Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:15:27 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: In sort, the Fuel Gauge gives a message "This program cannot run on this system," and the ThinkPad Configuration utility will not run (nothing happens at all after double-clicking). Details follow. I have a TP 560X (2640-70U) 233mhz unit w/ 64MB ram running Win98. Until I updated the BIOS on Monday, all was well. I updated the BIOS in preparation to upgrade to Win98 second edition (per the recommendations on the IBM site). I first upgraded the BIOS to v1.13 (I8ET31WVU) from the file "spsdi831.exe". I then "initialized" the BIOS per the docs and the unit rebooted without issue (including the fuel gauge). I then chose to upgrade the "Utility Features for Windows 98" to version v1.11a. That's when my problems began (described above). I have tried: 1. removing the utility features and installing the earlier version 2. re-"initializing" the BIOS 3. re-installing the DOS utility features 4. re-installing the latest utility features (after re-downloading) Nothing works! Everything else is working fine with the unit. In fact, I can fully control all the settings with "PS2.EXE"--it is just not as convenient. Power management (the Win98 version) is working too. Anyone have any ideas? How dangerous is it to go back to a previous BIOS? Rich --- "Adversity is the crucible in which greatness is forged." - Ken Baker Richard A. Bilancia P. O. Box 620127 Littleton, Colorado 80162-0127 Voice: (303) 973-4035 - FAX: (303) 979-2248 Worldwide Web: http://homepages.msn.com/CommercialSt/rabilancia Internet email: rab@msn.com Activity-Based Management and Open Systems Accounting Solutions From cph Wed Aug 25 13:35:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07936 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:35:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23034; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:32:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22809; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22740; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (128.49.4.4 -> marlin.nosc.mil) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:32:01 -0400 Received: from dlsthinkpad (nradpc-ascend-ppp40.nosc.mil [198.253.40.240]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA17492; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:31:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek Seaman" To: , Subject: RE: TP 560X Fuel Gauge & Configuration Utility problem Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:29:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: What directory did you install the fuel program into? If I install it into a directory with a space in it, I get the same message you do. (Thinkpad 600E, Win 98) Leave it at the default directory of 'thinkpad' and it might just work. -----Original Message----- From: Richard A. Bilancia [mailto:rab@email.msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 10:15 AM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 560X Fuel Gauge & Configuration Utility problem In sort, the Fuel Gauge gives a message "This program cannot run on this system," and the ThinkPad Configuration utility will not run (nothing happens at all after double-clicking). Details follow. I have a TP 560X (2640-70U) 233mhz unit w/ 64MB ram running Win98. Until I updated the BIOS on Monday, all was well. I updated the BIOS in preparation to upgrade to Win98 second edition (per the recommendations on the IBM site). I first upgraded the BIOS to v1.13 (I8ET31WVU) from the file "spsdi831.exe". I then "initialized" the BIOS per the docs and the unit rebooted without issue (including the fuel gauge). I then chose to upgrade the "Utility Features for Windows 98" to version v1.11a. That's when my problems began (described above). I have tried: 1. removing the utility features and installing the earlier version 2. re-"initializing" the BIOS 3. re-installing the DOS utility features 4. re-installing the latest utility features (after re-downloading) Nothing works! Everything else is working fine with the unit. In fact, I can fully control all the settings with "PS2.EXE"--it is just not as convenient. Power management (the Win98 version) is working too. Anyone have any ideas? How dangerous is it to go back to a previous BIOS? Rich --- "Adversity is the crucible in which greatness is forged." - Ken Baker Richard A. Bilancia P. O. Box 620127 Littleton, Colorado 80162-0127 Voice: (303) 973-4035 - FAX: (303) 979-2248 Worldwide Web: http://homepages.msn.com/CommercialSt/rabilancia Internet email: rab@msn.com Activity-Based Management and Open Systems Accounting Solutions From cph Wed Aug 25 13:44:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08024 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:44:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24349; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:43:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24240; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24200; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.28 -> secure.smtp.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:43:05 -0400 Received: from ppro200 - 63.14.58.64 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:43:04 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Richard A. Bilancia" To: Subject: RE: TP 560X Fuel Gauge & Configuration Utility problem Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:42:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Seaman [mailto:dseaman@spawar.navy.mil] > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 11:30 AM > To: rab@msn.com; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: TP 560X Fuel Gauge & Configuration Utility problem > > > What directory did you install the fuel program into? If I > install it into a > directory with a space in it, I get the same message you do. > (Thinkpad 600E, > Win 98) Leave it at the default directory of 'thinkpad' and > it might just work. I installed it in "C:\PROGRA~1\THINKPAD". "PROGRA~1" is the short name for "Program Files". I'll try your suggestion and report back Rich From cph Wed Aug 25 13:49:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08113 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:49:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25026; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:48:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24883; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24858; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.28 -> secure.smtp.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:48:17 -0400 Received: from ppro200 - 204.133.252.87 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:48:15 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Richard A. Bilancia" To: Subject: RE: TP 560X Fuel Gauge & Configuration Utility problem Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:48:10 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Seaman [mailto:dseaman@spawar.navy.mil] > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 11:30 AM > To: rab@msn.com; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: TP 560X Fuel Gauge & Configuration Utility problem > > > What directory did you install the fuel program into? If I > install it into a > directory with a space in it, I get the same message you do. > (Thinkpad 600E, > Win 98) Leave it at the default directory of 'thinkpad' and > it might just work. That did it! Thanks VERY much! Rich From cph Wed Aug 25 13:53:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08127 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:53:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25556; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:52:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25378; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25355; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (142.90.100.1 -> erich.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:51:58 -0400 Received: from peter ([142.90.100.93]) by erich.triumf.ca with SMTP; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:51:48 -0700 From: "peter machule" To: "No-Particular Name" , Subject: Re: External FDD adapter for 760CD Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:50:36 -0700 Message-ID: <01beef22$55eeea40$5d645a8e@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: www.necx.com check the outlet section was under $50 last time I checked . ..peter.. >Does anyone know if I can just put in my internal hotswappable floppy into >one of these external adapter kits? > >Regards, >chickendude > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From cph Wed Aug 25 14:09:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08294 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:09:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26566; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:58:09 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26277; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:58:07 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id NAA06936 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newton.uucp (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19366; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newton.uucp (4.48.60.245 -> PPPa42-ResaleSaltLakeCity3-5R1160.saturn.bbn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:49:01 -0400 Received: (from perfekt@localhost) by newton.uucp (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA04210; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:44:59 -0600 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:44:59 -0600 (MDT) Reply-To: Aron Hsiao Sender: newton!perfekt@mail.lgcy.com From: Aron Hsiao To: Derek Seaman Subject: RE: mouse pointer wanders Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu List-Unsubscribe: On 25-Aug-99 Derek Seaman wrote: > On my PII 300 600E, my mouse pointer can slowly crawl around on it's > own. > Sometimes it moves slowly across the screen for 30 seconds with > absolutely > no user input. Recently it seems to be doing it more. This may just be superstition, but I think I've found that if you move the pointer all the way into the absolute corner toward which it is moving, so that it can't go any farther in either direction, and then you leave the pointer there (with your fingers off) for about 5 seconds, the pointer resets itself and will again be centered when you use it again. This is how I deal with my 760C, anyway, and it seems to work. -Aron -- ### Aron Hsiao, About.com guide to Linux ### ---------------------------------------------------------------- ### L I N U X : The choice of a GNU generation! From cph Thu Aug 26 02:02:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA12790 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:02:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04005; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:01:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03841; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03827; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> lohi.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:01:25 -0400 Received: from tp701 (96-172.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.96.172]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA18566 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:02:31 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <199908260602.JAA18566@lohi.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:00:46 +0300 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I'd like to buy a second-hand 560 (P100-120-133) and a 701C. I'm new to auctions and I'd like to know what is the going rate for such animals at Ebay. I'd appreciate comments from seasoned participants in online auctions. Now if someone has a 560 and/or a 701C in good condition for sale, please feel free to make me an offer ;-) Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Kirkkonummi, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Aug 26 08:01:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA13750 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:01:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07215; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:00:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07093; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07080; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:00:31 -0400 Received: from 218.chicago-11-12rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.152.218]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990826120210.TIEV15884@218.chicago-11-12rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:02:10 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:00:16 GMT Message-ID: <37c52b57.48701827@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199908260602.JAA18566@lohi.clinet.fi> In-Reply-To: <199908260602.JAA18566@lohi.clinet.fi> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:00:46 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >I'd like to buy a second-hand 560 (P100-120-133) and a 701C. I'm new to >auctions and I'd like to know what is the going rate for such animals at >Ebay. I'd appreciate comments from seasoned participants in online >auctions. Now if someone has a 560 and/or a 701C in good condition for >sale, please feel free to make me an offer ;-) I've purchased two 701C models in the past 3 months for about $200/each, one from eBay and one from Onsale. 560 prices seem to be all over the map. I sold mine for ~$600 on eBay and have seen bids of $700 for P100 DSTN models lately - an it seems to be the most frequently mis-named model posted there are well (560Es listed as 560X, etc) epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 eFax phone # - 801-328-3789 From cph Thu Aug 26 08:39:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA13871 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:39:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09347; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:37:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09219; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww156.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09205; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww156.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.56 -> ww156.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:37:29 -0400 Received: (qmail 21970 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 1999 12:37:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19990826123727.21969.qmail@ww156.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.56 by ww156 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.53) on Thu Aug 26 12:37:27 GMT 1999 Date: 26 Aug 99 07:37:27 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Dominique Pivard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.53) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA13872 The best way to check this out is to do a search on 'completed items' on Ebay. This is an option from the main search screen. Very handy to see what the current going rates are for anything that Ebay has recently sold. Good luck, Rob Dominique Pivard wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to buy a second-hand 560 (P100-120-133) and a 701C. I'm new to > auctions and I'd like to know what is the going rate for such animals at > Ebay. I'd appreciate comments from seasoned participants in online > auctions. Now if someone has a 560 and/or a 701C in good condition for > sale, please feel free to make me an offer ;-) > > Dominique > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Dominique Pivard > Kirkkonummi, Finland > ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Thu Aug 26 09:58:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA14264 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:58:04 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14519; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:54:12 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14369; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:54:10 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id JAA19997 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19298; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (130.17.4.254 -> samsara.csustan.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:28:49 -0400 Received: (from steven@localhost) by samsara.csustan.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA01541 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:32:07 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Steven Filling Sender: steven@samsara.csustan.edu From: Steven Filling To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: archives List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA14265 Hi all - This poor unfortunate has lost the address of the list archives. Anyone care to take pity and repost it? TIA S. ---------------------------------- Steven Filling E-Mail: steven@panopticon.csustan.edu Date: 25-Aug-99 Time: 16:31:06 ---------------------------------- From cph Thu Aug 26 10:19:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA14413 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:19:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15904; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:13:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15792; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlrel1.hp.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15529; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:09:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from atlrel1.hp.com (156.153.255.210 -> atlrel1.hp.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:09:43 -0400 Received: from hpbs5000.boi.hp.com (root@hpbs5000.boi.hp.com [15.56.8.201]) by atlrel1.hp.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id KAA28578; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rudak (hpbs9883.boi.hp.com [15.62.44.6]) by hpbs5000.boi.hp.com with SMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0.1) id IAA21707; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:09:37 -0600 (MDT) Reply-To: Sender: "Brian Mahaffy" To: "'No-Particular Name'" Cc: Subject: RE: External FDD adapter for 760CD Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:09:34 -0600 Message-ID: <973751E29EE0D211976800A0C9F446FE01604640@xboi05.boi.hp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990825030539.94725.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id KAA15904 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA14414 If you are talking about the IBM one, yes you can. I have one on my 760CD. It's just a cable connected to a plastic clamshell that has the same connector as the internal laptop one. You are supposed to be able to take it in and out of the clamshell. Once I put it in, I've never taken it back out as the CD-ROM lives in the computer full time and I just plug in the floppy on the back of the laptop when I need it. ….Brian -----Original Message----- From: No-Particular Name [mailto:chickendude@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 3:06 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: External FDD adapter for 760CD Does anyone know if I can just put in my internal hotswappable floppy into one of these external adapter kits? Regards, chickendude ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Thu Aug 26 10:33:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA14515 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:33:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16806; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:22:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16638; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16623; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:22:33 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-052.usc.edu [128.125.223.52]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id HAA04299 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 07:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990826071819.02c74d30@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 07:20:29 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? In-Reply-To: <199908260602.JAA18566@lohi.clinet.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:00 AM 08/26/1999 +0300, you wrote: >I'd like to buy a second-hand 560 (P100-120-133) and a 701C. I'm new to >auctions and I'd like to know what is the going rate for such animals at >Ebay. I'd appreciate comments from seasoned participants in online >auctions. Don't think me rude...but is there some reason you can't go to eBay and do search on completed auctions to find this out for yourself? You don't need to be a seasoned auction participant to do that. Just go to www.ebay.com and click on the "search" button, then near the bottom of the page is the category for completed auctions. Put in "560" or "701" and see what you get. - Randy Whittle From cph Thu Aug 26 11:59:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA15184 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:59:57 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23376; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:53:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23267; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23250; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (209.228.14.76 -> c004-h005.c004.sfo.cp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:53:16 -0400 Received: (cpmta 24319 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 08:14:37 -0700 Received: from ppp-207-214-149-86.snrf01.pacbell.net (HELO THINKPAD600) (207.214.149.86) by smtp.detayls.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 08:14:37 -0700 X-Sent: 26 Aug 1999 15:14:37 GMT Message-ID: <005101beefd5$cda29790$5695d6cf@THINKPAD600> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Good Service from IBM... Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:15:16 -0700 Organization: Detayls MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Hi folks, I just wanted to add a 100% positive experience with IBM service to the record. On Sunday last I noticed that the left light on the hinge of my ThinkPad 600 was blinking orange. To cut a long story short, it turned out that the battery had started to refuse a charge after 15 months. On Monday I called the IBM service number, where the problem was quickly diagnosed. They promised to send a new battery and it arrived last night. There was no charge. The green light is back and my ThinkPad is happy again. Now I have to send the old dead one back. They provided a set of paperwork for a free return via Airborne. Given that these babies cost around $250 and that they only have a 1 year warranty, this is a great deal. As you may imagine, I am reconfirmed in my belief that IBM is the best in the business. David -- David W. Taylor From cph Thu Aug 26 12:21:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15271 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:21:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25763; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:19:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25604; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25589; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:19:48 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-149.usc.edu [128.125.223.149]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA05355; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990826091441.02c8d2c0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:17:42 -0700 To: "David W. Taylor" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... In-Reply-To: <005101beefd5$cda29790$5695d6cf@THINKPAD600> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:15 AM 08/26/1999 -0700, you wrote: >On Sunday last I noticed that the left light on the hinge of my ThinkPad 600 >was blinking orange. To cut a long story short, it turned out that the >battery had started to refuse a charge after 15 months. >Given that these babies cost around $250 and that they only have a 1 year >warranty, this is a great deal. As you may imagine, I am reconfirmed in my >belief that IBM is the best in the business. 15 months? Wasn't this well past its warranty date? You got lucky! :-) I agree with you though--to an extent. Something like this enables IBM to show why its "worth it" to pay a premium for their neat little machines. But heaven help you if you have to send it in to EZ Serve, since they contract that out to some other cheapskate company. First they'll accuse you of beating it up, then they'll send you an immense bill just for looking at it, then they'll insist it will cost $1000 to replace a door hinge. It wasn't like that 5 years ago. EZ Serve has really changed... - Randy Whittle From cph Thu Aug 26 12:54:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15457 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:54:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28668; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:53:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28524; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28444; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (207.172.3.234 -> smtp1.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:53:18 -0400 Received: from desktop (207-172-57-87.s87.tnt2.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.57.87]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA20291 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007901beefe2$f0b08460$5739accf@desktop> From: "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" To: Subject: going rate for 560 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:49:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: The suggestions for searching eBay are good, and I did that. But I think people on eBay frequently get into bidding wars. I got a P133 800 HD 16 meg 560 with floppy and PS on *Yahoo* for $425. Try Yahoo and Amazon too. Donald ---------------------------------------- Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot ---------------------------------------- I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! ---------------------------------------- From cph Thu Aug 26 13:57:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15980 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:57:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03668; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:54:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03299; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03259; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:54:42 -0400 Received: from PADDY (mg131-198.ricochet.net [204.179.131.198]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA08053; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:52:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "peter machule" , "No-Particular Name" , Subject: RE: External FDD adapter for 760CD Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:52:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 In-Reply-To: <01beef22$55eeea40$5d645a8e@peter> List-Unsubscribe: > >Does anyone know if I can just put in my internal hotswappable > floppy into > >one of these external adapter kits? > www.necx.com > check the outlet section > was under $50 last time I checked . They had one in stock. I bought it. Someone just posted a message saying he has these for sale, and I've also seen them turn up on eBay from time to time. -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Thu Aug 26 15:04:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16478 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:04:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09241; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:02:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08994; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08963; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> lohi.clinet.fi) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:02:25 -0400 Received: from tp701 (96-176.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.96.176]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA19151 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:03:32 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <199908261903.WAA19151@lohi.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:00:06 +0300 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990826071819.02c74d30@rcf.usc.edu> Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 at 07:20 AM you, Randal Whittle , said: > Don't think me rude...but is there some reason you can't go to eBay and >do search on completed auctions to find this out for yourself? I didn't notice the search on completed auctions. Now I know ;-) > Just go to www.ebay.com and click on the "search" button, then near the >bottom of the page is the category for completed auctions. Put in "560" >or "701" and see what you get. It seems it's better to use wildcards (701*), as a search on "701" would miss items labeled "701C" or "701CS". I also got great auction tips from Benjamin Koh (thanks Benjamin!). Thanks to all of you who kindly contributed! Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Kirkkonummi, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Aug 26 15:42:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16846 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:42:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12828; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:41:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12702; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12682; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:41:12 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA15259 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:41:09 -0700 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: Subject: ThinkPad PCMCIA Cartridge Bay $10 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:48:48 -0700 Message-ID: <01beeffc$037eef00$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: http://www.onsale.com/category/inv/00000325/01969761.htm They have been there all this week . Every once in a while they do a 1 hour thing and they go for even less. ;-} Peter My good deed for this week ..... From cph Thu Aug 26 15:46:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16882 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:46:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13284; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:45:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13184; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kepler.pa.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13171; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kepler.pa.msu.edu (35.8.48.107 -> kepler.pa.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:45:28 -0400 Received: from pa.msu.edu (senna.pa.msu.edu [35.8.50.35]) by kepler.pa.msu.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04799; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Sender: rockwell@pa.msu.edu Message-ID: <37C598EB.27DFC1B2@pa.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:43:39 -0400 From: Tom Rockwell Organization: MSUHEP X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: TP 560X Fuel Gauge & Configuration Utility problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: When ever I install Windows, I rename the "Program Files" directory to "programs" and go a global search and replace of "Program Files" to "programs" in the registry. Adds 15 min to the install process, but it helps to avoid some of these problems. I can't fathom why MICROS~1 would use a space character in the default path for program installations. Supporting odd character in paths is fine, but intentionally using them is dumb if you want to be interoperable. -Tom > Subject: RE: TP 560X Fuel Gauge & Configuration Utility problem > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:42:58 -0600 > From: "Richard A. Bilancia" > Reply-To: > To: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Derek Seaman [mailto:dseaman@spawar.navy.mil] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 11:30 AM > > To: rab@msn.com; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: RE: TP 560X Fuel Gauge & Configuration Utility problem > > > > > > What directory did you install the fuel program into? If I > > install it into a > > directory with a space in it, I get the same message you do. > > (Thinkpad 600E, > > Win 98) Leave it at the default directory of 'thinkpad' and > > it might just work. > > I installed it in "C:\PROGRA~1\THINKPAD". "PROGRA~1" is the short name for > "Program Files". > > I'll try your suggestion and report back > > Rich From cph Thu Aug 26 16:23:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17174 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:23:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16092; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:21:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15909; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15871; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.102 -> pilot002.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:21:14 -0400 Received: from andres (pm530-02.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.204]) by pilot002.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA11032 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:21:01 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990826162119.00a6ce40@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:21:19 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: TP 560X Fuel Gauge & Configuration Utility problem In-Reply-To: <37C598EB.27DFC1B2@pa.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Tom, other than this fuel gage program have you seen programs that trip over a space in a directory name? Your trick of renaming the program files dir is cute, but I can see problems with it, from other dumb software that automatically puts stuff there. Part of my thoughts here are that I just don't trust Windows (of any flavour) and this seems like an oppurtinuity for 'new' interesting disasters to occur. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 03:43 PM 8/26/99 -0400, Tom Rockwell wrote: >When ever I install Windows, I rename the "Program Files" directory to >"programs" and go a global search and replace of "Program Files" to >"programs" in the registry. Adds 15 min to the install process, but it >helps to avoid some of these problems. > >I can't fathom why MICROS~1 would use a space character in the default >path for program installations. Supporting odd character in paths is >fine, but intentionally using them is dumb if you want to be >interoperable. > >-Tom From cph Thu Aug 26 16:40:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17357 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:40:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17553; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:38:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17408; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17280; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.252.173 -> wya-lfd109.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:38:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 81599 invoked by uid 0); 26 Aug 1999 20:38:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19990826203805.81598.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 210.55.237.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:38:04 PDT X-Originating-IP: [210.55.237.83] From: "No-Particular Name" To: brianm@boi.hp.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: External FDD adapter for 760CD Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:38:04 AZST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id QAA17553 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA17358 thanks all. I got one of these babies from a dude at work. It works a charm and I now have linux 6.0 installed. WOOHOO. I am currently dicking about with XFree86 trying to get it working. It's pretty good though. Cheers for your advice. chickendude ----Original Message Follows---- From: brianm@boi.hp.com Reply-To: To: "'No-Particular Name'" CC: Subject: RE: External FDD adapter for 760CD Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:09:34 -0600 If you are talking about the IBM one, yes you can. I have one on my 760CD. It's just a cable connected to a plastic clamshell that has the same connector as the internal laptop one. You are supposed to be able to take it in and out of the clamshell. Once I put it in, I've never taken it back out as the CD-ROM lives in the computer full time and I just plug in the floppy on the back of the laptop when I need it. ….Brian -----Original Message----- From: No-Particular Name [mailto:chickendude@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 3:06 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: External FDD adapter for 760CD Does anyone know if I can just put in my internal hotswappable floppy into one of these external adapter kits? Regards, chickendude ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Thu Aug 26 16:56:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17540 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:56:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18700; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:50:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18592; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18563; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.252.169 -> wya-lfd105.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:50:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 70029 invoked by uid 0); 26 Aug 1999 20:50:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19990826205017.70028.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 210.55.237.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:50:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [210.55.237.83] From: "No-Particular Name" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: shell for TP 760CD Hard Drive Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:50:17 AZST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, this is chickendude again. I have a wee request. you know on the inside of your thinkpad resides a hard drive - which is IBM proprietary and costs MORE than the stinkin thing cost to get a new one. Here's the rub - Can any old buff like me use the following: a) a second hdd adapter kit b) A normal laptop IDE hard drive c) a shell for the IBM hard drive (kind of a clamshell with proprietary connectors for IBM to talk to normal Hard drive) to give myself a bigger or second hard drive? ie - can I put a normal laptop hard drive in one of those ibm hard drive cases? Cheers - chickendude. Thanks also everone for the help with the external floppy connector. I swapped a guy at work for my internal. bye ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Thu Aug 26 17:47:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA17917 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:47:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22275; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:45:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22087; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22067; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:45:27 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA05642; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:45:07 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003101bef00c$457dd1e0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Dominique Pivard" , References: <199908261903.WAA19151@lohi.clinet.fi> Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:45:06 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: One comment on this thread: buying from ebay is always a bit risky, especially in the realm of computers, and I would think this would be worse for someone in Finland buying from someone in the US. There are lots of companies which specialize in sales of liquidated and refurbished products; many of these are even legitimate (unlike a notorious one that has had bad press on this list). Mr. Pivard might well have better luck with one of those sources. (pickadw, surplusdirect, retailexpress, bluestarusa, evertek, usapc come to mind, more can be found by web search of course.) Of course, he *might* pay more this way, but in other areas where I know the market well the ebay prices are often higher than the going price from commercial dealers. BTW, I'm from an auctioneering family, and never buy anything at auction unless it isn't available elsewhere; auctions exist to benefit the seller. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dominique Pivard To: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 9:00 AM Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? > On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 at 07:20 AM you, Randal Whittle , > said: > > > Don't think me rude...but is there some reason you can't go to eBay and > >do search on completed auctions to find this out for yourself? > > I didn't notice the search on completed auctions. Now I know ;-) > > > Just go to www.ebay.com and click on the "search" button, then near the > >bottom of the page is the category for completed auctions. Put in "560" > >or "701" and see what you get. > > It seems it's better to use wildcards (701*), as a search on "701" would > miss items labeled "701C" or "701CS". > > I also got great auction tips from Benjamin Koh (thanks Benjamin!). Thanks > to all of you who kindly contributed! > > Dominique > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Dominique Pivard > Kirkkonummi, Finland > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > From cph Thu Aug 26 17:52:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA17949 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:52:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22880; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:51:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22741; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22718; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.41 -> mail8.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:51:33 -0400 Received: (qmail 11909 invoked by uid 0); 26 Aug 1999 21:51:29 -0000 Received: from pppa7-tucson15-4r691.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.206.229) by mail8.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 21:51:29 -0000 Message-ID: <37C5B6C0.F11C16B2@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:50:56 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: No-Particular Name CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, morrow@treco.net Subject: Re: shell for TP 760CD Hard Drive References: <19990826205017.70028.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You can use a "Travelstar" made by IBM which are much less expensive than the "TP drives" and if you need shells or brackets you can get them from thinkpads.com (aka Bill Morrow at morrow@treco.net). You can also check Bill's current list of HDDs available for TPs. See his web page at http://www.thinkpads.com No-Particular Name wrote: > > Hi all, this is chickendude again. I have a wee request. > > you know on the inside of your thinkpad resides a hard drive - which is IBM > proprietary and costs MORE than the stinkin thing cost to get a new one. > > Here's the rub - Can any old buff like me use the following: > a) a second hdd adapter kit > b) A normal laptop IDE hard drive > c) a shell for the IBM hard drive (kind of a clamshell with proprietary > connectors for IBM to talk to normal Hard drive) > > to give myself a bigger or second hard drive? > > ie - can I put a normal laptop hard drive in one of those ibm hard drive > cases? > > Cheers - > chickendude. > > Thanks also everone for the help with the external floppy connector. I > swapped a guy at work for my internal. > > bye > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Thu Aug 26 19:32:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA18526 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:32:39 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27505; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:20:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27342; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27329; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.37 -> mail2.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:20:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 16125 invoked by uid 0); 26 Aug 1999 23:20:23 -0000 Received: from pppa7-tucson15-4r691.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.206.229) by mail2.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 23:20:23 -0000 Message-ID: <37C5CB94.7324FF4D@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:19:48 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: SoftDVD not showing movies. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Has somebody else experienced problems with SoftDVD not showing movies at all? After upgrading to all the video, audio, and mpeg (for SoftDVD) drivers posted for the TP770 (9549-1AU) and upgrading SoftDVD to version 1.14 I observe the following symptoms. SoftDVD loads the DVD movie but gives the following error messages (1 to 3) and then crashes (4): 1. Error IBM MPEG: Failed to perform Stream Creation with VPM. 2. [same as 1, repeated once] 3. Error: MPEGVIDEO Device could not load the files. Abort! 4. Status: [no message within a blank box, SoftDVD hangs and it has to be cleared by pressing ctrl-alt-del on the 2 SoftDVD running programs] Did anybody find this problem and its solution? JC jclerm@aztec.asu.edu ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Thu Aug 26 19:59:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA18650 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:59:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29378; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:58:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29198; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29179; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:58:40 -0400 Received: from 7.chicago-13-14rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.153.7]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990827000004.VAFH24199@7.chicago-13-14rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:00:04 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:58:23 GMT Message-ID: <37c8d446.4049723@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199908261903.WAA19151@lohi.clinet.fi> <003101bef00c$457dd1e0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <003101bef00c$457dd1e0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:45:06 -1000, "David Ross" wrote: > There are lots of companies which specialize in sales of >liquidated and refurbished products; many of these are even legitimate (unlike a notorious one that has had bad press on this list). >Mr. Pivard might well have better luck with one of those sources. (pickadw, surplusdirect, retailexpress, >bluestarusa, evertek, usapc come to mind, more can be found by web search of course.) Of course, >he *might* pay more this way, but in other areas where I know the market well the ebay prices are >often higher than the going price from commercial dealers. Also worth noting is that if you find a retailer selling something on eBay, calling with CC# at the ready can result in a better deal than you'd get in the auction. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 eFax phone # - 801-328-3789 From cph Thu Aug 26 20:17:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA18760 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:17:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01029; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:16:15 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00802; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:16:12 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id UAA27900 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27676; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.41 -> mail8.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:42:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 23869 invoked by uid 0); 26 Aug 1999 16:41:49 -0000 Received: from pppa69-tucson8-2r345.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.231.179) by mail8.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 16:41:49 -0000 Message-ID: <37C56E2E.EA08845A@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:41:18 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David W. Taylor" CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... References: <005101beefd5$cda29790$5695d6cf@THINKPAD600> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I had exactly the same experience with a battery for the TP770. Also, I noticed that the replacement battery has a different FRU number and a somewhat higher capacity. "David W. Taylor" wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I just wanted to add a 100% positive experience with IBM service to the > record. > > On Sunday last I noticed that the left light on the hinge of my ThinkPad 600 > was blinking orange. To cut a long story short, it turned out that the > battery had started to refuse a charge after 15 months. > > On Monday I called the IBM service number, where the problem was quickly > diagnosed. They promised to send a new battery and it arrived last night. > There was no charge. The green light is back and my ThinkPad is happy again. > Now I have to send the old dead one back. They provided a set of paperwork > for a free return via Airborne. > > Given that these babies cost around $250 and that they only have a 1 year > warranty, this is a great deal. As you may imagine, I am reconfirmed in my > belief that IBM is the best in the business. > > David > > -- > David W. Taylor ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Fri Aug 27 00:17:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA19918 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:17:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11787; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:14:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11531; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11518; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:14:40 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-183.gate.net [199.227.20.246]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA391158; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:14:58 -0400 Message-ID: <37C61050.7789F708@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:13:04 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominique Pivard CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? References: <199908260602.JAA18566@lohi.clinet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: beware of auctions.. the very essence of an auction is that the instant marketplace will set the value.. sometimes driven by hysteria, sometimes not.. the question of "condition" which is very important, is capricious, what the seller thinks of as perfect might mean that the scratches do not go through the full thickness of the case... while the buyer thinks that a "scuff" should wipe off with a moistened kleenex.. also, there is the question of operational condition, which is an area i will leave to the imagination of the reader.. :-) Dominique Pivard wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to buy a second-hand 560 (P100-120-133) and a 701C. I'm new to > auctions and I'd like to know what is the going rate for such animals at > Ebay. I'd appreciate comments from seasoned participants in online > auctions. Now if someone has a 560 and/or a 701C in good condition for > sale, please feel free to make me an offer ;-) > > Dominique > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Dominique Pivard > Kirkkonummi, Finland > ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Fri Aug 27 00:19:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA19938 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:19:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12196; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:16:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11852; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11813; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:16:39 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-183.gate.net [199.227.20.246]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA122064; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:17:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37C61114.E9283AE9@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:16:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: "David W. Taylor" , TP List Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... References: <4.1.19990826091441.02c8d2c0@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Randy... if you feel that this is the case with EZ-Serve (and i agree with you) then send an e-mail to Lou Gerstner.. and, perhaps, a few magazine editors.. reality is that it will stay the same until enough users complain.. :-) Randal Whittle wrote: > At 08:15 AM 08/26/1999 -0700, you wrote: > >On Sunday last I noticed that the left light on the hinge of my ThinkPad 600 > >was blinking orange. To cut a long story short, it turned out that the > >battery had started to refuse a charge after 15 months. > > >Given that these babies cost around $250 and that they only have a 1 year > >warranty, this is a great deal. As you may imagine, I am reconfirmed in my > >belief that IBM is the best in the business. > > 15 months? Wasn't this well past its warranty date? You got lucky! :-) > > I agree with you though--to an extent. Something like this enables IBM to > show why its "worth it" to pay a premium for their neat little machines. > > But heaven help you if you have to send it in to EZ Serve, since they > contract that out to some other cheapskate company. First they'll accuse > you of beating it up, then they'll send you an immense bill just for > looking at it, then they'll insist it will cost $1000 to replace a door hinge. > > It wasn't like that 5 years ago. EZ Serve has really changed... > > - Randy Whittle -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Fri Aug 27 00:38:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA19985 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:38:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13345; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:36:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13144; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13124; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:36:32 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-120.usc.edu [128.125.223.120]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA09733; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990826213222.02c98e70@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:34:24 -0700 To: "jarjarbinks" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: Good Service from IBM... In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990826091441.02c8d2c0@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:05 PM 08/26/1999 -0400, you wrote: >The 600 have a 3 year warranty. The 600 has a 3 year warranty, but the battery is warranted for only 1 year. >EZ-serve saying that I would have to pay $1000 for user damage. Issues like >a battery that refused to keep its charge(How in the world I could have done >that is beyond me). Anyway I refused to pay it got escalated and some lady >told me she would give me a deal I would only have to pay $500! I kindly >said no and again it was escalated this time I just called them every two I think they're going on a strategy of whoever they can *get* to wear down and pay, they'll take it. Otherwise, you have to fight for it. Which is *really* a poor reflection on IBM. I wish they realized that. - Randy Whittle From cph Fri Aug 27 00:41:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA20003 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:41:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13783; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:40:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13658; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from u1.farm.idt.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13644; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from u1.farm.idt.net (169.132.8.10 -> u1.farm.idt.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:40:50 -0400 Received: from tv (ppp-44.ts-6-bay.hck.idt.net [169.132.57.44]) by u1.farm.idt.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id AAA05414 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:40:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "A Kumar" To: Subject: RE: Good Service from IBM... Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:41:00 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: The 600 have a 3 year warranty. I have to agree with Randal EZ-Serve is horrible. I just sent back my 600 with about 15 different problems. I use my ThinkPad on a daily bases and it is impossible for me to send it back every time the paint chips or one of the doors come off. So when I finally do send it back I get a call from EZ-serve saying that I would have to pay $1000 for user damage. Issues like a battery that refused to keep its charge(How in the world I could have done that is beyond me). Anyway I refused to pay it got escalated and some lady told me she would give me a deal I would only have to pay $500! I kindly said no and again it was escalated this time I just called them every two hours directly and through IBM Tec support till they got so annoyed they agreed to 'cover the charge' even though all the problem were caused by me. Later I found out that the reason everything was considered user damage was because the clip on my CDROM broke. They assumed I broke it and therefore they reasoned I also broke everything else! Well I can assure you IBM is going to be hearing from me. And if my ThinkPad comes back half fixed again they will be sorry(Grr has come back half fixed from them twice)! I can be quite persistent when I want to be ;) -----Original Message----- From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 12:18 PM To: David W. Taylor; TP List Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... > 15 months? Wasn't this well past its warranty date? You got >>>lucky! :-) > > I agree with you though--to an extent. Something like this enables IBM to > show why its "worth it" to pay a premium for their neat little machines. > > But heaven help you if you have to send it in to EZ Serve, since they > contract that out to some other cheapskate company. First they'll accuse > you of beating it up, then they'll send you an immense bill just for >looking at it, then they'll insist it will cost $1000 to replace a >door hinge. > > It wasn't like that 5 years ago. EZ Serve has really changed... > >- Randy Whittle From cph Fri Aug 27 10:12:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA21683 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:12:43 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24235; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:09:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23811; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23788; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:09:19 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29550 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37C69C0A.503CECA9@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:09:14 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well, we have had very good results with EZServ, without any hassles at all. We did have one problem -- they completely lost a 600 -- but they rectified that by quickly sending us a brand-new unit. --Lee Hetherington From cph Fri Aug 27 10:50:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA21910 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:50:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27169; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:44:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26732; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26710; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:44:37 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-196.usc.edu [128.125.223.196]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id HAA21358; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990827074150.02c6ac30@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:42:23 -0700 To: I Lee Hetherington , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... In-Reply-To: <37C69C0A.503CECA9@sls.lcs.mit.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:09 AM 08/27/1999 -0400, you wrote: >Well, we have had very good results with EZServ, without any hassles at >all. We did have one problem -- they completely lost a 600 -- but they >rectified that by quickly sending us a brand-new unit. Kinda underscores the need for keeping a backup (or not sending them the HD at all). - Randy Whittle From cph Fri Aug 27 11:39:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA22230 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:39:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02618; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:37:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02403; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02390; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:37:12 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00071; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37C6B09F.A2E9EEF7@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:37:03 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... References: <4.1.19990827074150.02c6ac30@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Randal Whittle wrote: > Kinda underscores the need for keeping a backup (or not sending them the HD at > all). Most definitely! We strip the machines bare before sending them in. --Lee Hetherington From cph Fri Aug 27 13:07:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA23079 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:07:24 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09819; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:05:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09524; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaac.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09490; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaac.compuserve.com (149.174.206.136 -> ds-img-3.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:05:14 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.3) id NAA16052 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:04:53 -0400 From: Pat Vellender Subject: unsubscribe Sender: Pat Vellender To: Thinkpad List Message-ID: <199908271305_MC2-82A5-AE9F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA23080 unsubscribe From cph Fri Aug 27 13:18:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA23160 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:18:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11037; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:17:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10813; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10800; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.52 -> smtp13.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:17:07 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26766.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.247]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA03449 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0a9101bef0af$e791aee0$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:16:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Your point regarding you being from an auctioneering family and "never buying anything at auction unless..." makes me wonder if it has something to do with your own practices. Perhaps you want to expand a little on your statement about auctions existing to benefit the seller. Buying at any auction is risky. But comparing real-live auctions to on-line auctions is ridiculous. I would NEVER buy a computer at a real-live auction. Goods are always sold as-is, there is very limited inspection one can do on a computer, and there is too high a motivation for the auctioneer to get the best price. This motivation encourages some auctioneers to follow practices I don't condone. There may be some reputable and respected auctioneers, but -- to me -- the vast majority fall way below that standard and are not far from being con artists. On the other hand, most on-line auctions afford you a chance to review feedback the seller has from other buyers. You can even contact previous buyers if you want some further reassurance. Were you an experienced buyer at eBay, I would take your comments more seriously. But you have ZERO feedback and you have only bought a $16 item in recent history at eBay. Or do you have other Id's at eBay (and why?). I am an honest seller and every product I sell is at a very good price and of excellent quality and condition. I therefore deeply resent comments you make, such as "buying from ebay is always a bit risky", "the ebay prices are often higher than the going price from commercial dealers". I have a long feedback history of satisfied buyers. Everything I sell comes with warranty. All the products I sell are computers or computer components. I have sold products to the U.K., Taiwan, Hong Kong, Australia, etc. I make a living selling at eBay and can't let ignorant comments like yours go unchallenged. Especially if you attempt to validate your opinions by stating you come from an auctioneering family (apparently not an on-line one). As always, it is buyer's beware. The feedback is there for buyers to see, it pays to dig deeper into the feedback to ensure it is legitimate. A simple search on the Web can reveal what the going prices are at the places you mention (which -- contrary to your statement -- are consistently higher than the prices products sell for at eBay). A final point in my venting. You say "buying from eBay". NOBODY buys from eBay, they buy from individuals or businesses that sell on eBay. There are thousands of sellers on eBay and -- of course -- not everyone is ethical nor honest. But there are many ways of protecting yourself from being swindled. Escrow services being the most secure way of doing this. Carlos -----Original Message----- From: David Ross To: Dominique Pivard ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, August 26, 1999 5:45 PM Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? >One comment on this thread: buying from ebay is always a bit risky, especially in the realm of computers, and I would think this >would be worse for someone in Finland buying from someone in the US. There are lots of companies which specialize in sales of >liquidated and refurbished products; many of these are even legitimate (unlike a notorious one that has had bad press on this list). >Mr. Pivard might well have better luck with one of those sources. (pickadw, surplusdirect, retailexpress, >bluestarusa, evertek, usapc come to mind, more can be found by web search of course.) Of course, >he *might* pay more this way, but in other areas where I know the market well the ebay prices are >often higher than the going price from commercial dealers. > >BTW, I'm from an auctioneering family, and never buy anything at auction unless it isn't available elsewhere; auctions exist to >benefit the seller. > >- David R. From cph Fri Aug 27 13:41:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA23386 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:41:16 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13309; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:39:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13103; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13088; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brimstone.geology.washington.edu (128.95.79.74 -> brimstone.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:39:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (kress@localhost) by brimstone.geology.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03279; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:42:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: brimstone.geology.washington.edu: kress owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:42:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Victor Kress X-Sender: kress@brimstone.geology.washington.edu To: Carlos de la Puente cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? In-Reply-To: <0a9101bef0af$e791aee0$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I vote to take all discussion of auctions or people trying to get rid of their old equipment off the list. If someone is interested, there are lots of ways to find this info. I may be alone on this. ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph Fri Aug 27 13:45:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA23433 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:45:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14055; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:42:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13595; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13444; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.52 -> smtp13.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:41:35 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26766.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.247]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA10808 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0b3101bef0b3$4e9a2650$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:40:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I see you bought a ThinkPad for almost $2,500 on eBay. Your feedback on this transaction was "Seller was honest and trustworthy in a $2500 sale. AAA+++ rating (top rating)". I also see you bought a ThinkPad 701C on eBay for $483. No feedback on this one. I would have expected to see a negative feedback if you were unhappy with your purchase. I am therefore a bit puzzled by your comments regarding the "condition" of the product and the things you are "leaving up to the imagination of the reader". Were you not in the business of selling ThinkPads, I would not question the motivation behind your comments (or is that another Bill Morrow). Carlos -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow To: Dominique Pivard Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 12:13 AM Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? >beware of auctions.. > >the very essence of an auction is that the instant marketplace will set the >value.. sometimes driven by hysteria, sometimes not.. > >the question of "condition" which is very important, is capricious, what the >seller thinks of as perfect might mean that the scratches do not go through >the full thickness of the case... while the buyer thinks that a "scuff" >should wipe off with a moistened kleenex.. >also, there is the question of operational condition, which is an area i >will leave to the imagination of the reader.. :-) > From cph Fri Aug 27 13:53:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA23488 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:53:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15082; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:52:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14928; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14897; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.52 -> smtp13.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:52:10 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26766.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.247]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA14079 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0b3401bef0b4$cd289140$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:51:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: >I vote to take all discussion of auctions or people trying to get rid of their old equipment off the list. If someone is interested, there are lots of ways to find this info. I may be alone on this. I vote for the same. I will refrain from mentioning items I have for auction (which I rarely do). But I don't welcome unsubstantiated attacks nor put-downs on on-line auctions. Dominique asked a simple question, and the answer was provided. But then others jumped in the bandwagon and started to bash on-line auctions. I can't let these attacks on "my business" go unchallenged. My apologies for the inconvenience. Carlos From cph Fri Aug 27 14:58:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA24744 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:58:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19918; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:54:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19544; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19523; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (207.115.58.59 -> pimout5-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:54:45 -0400 Received: from defiant (TXARB102-02.splitrock.net [209.253.58.2]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA30774 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:54:42 -0400 Message-ID: <002101bef0bd$9b217960$aff1fea9@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles McDaniel" From: "Charles McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: harddrive for Ibm think pad Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:54:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Hello all I have a friend who has a 755cd that he needs a new harddrive for he doesn't want to spend a whole lot on another harddrive he wants something about 1gb or in that area if any of you know of where we can get one or have one you want to sell please forward it to me via e-mail..look like someone has played football with it but it still works..well almost .. Thanks Charles & Melinda McDaniel take off the nospam_ to e-mail me: nospam_wcmcdaniel@prodigy.net For more info on Quake and Quakeworld http://www.planetquake.com or http://www.quakeworld.net From cph Fri Aug 27 16:11:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA25271 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:11:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26000; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:09:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25819; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25804; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:09:24 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA12132; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:09:16 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003a01bef0c8$0bed9e80$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Carlos de la Puente" , References: <0a9101bef0af$e791aee0$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Subject: Personal attacks (was: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions?) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:09:18 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This post has me extremely upset. I would appreciate it if anyone else on this list could let me know (by email, to conserve bandwidth) if I've ever said anything here to warrant such a personal attack by de la Puente. > Your point regarding you being from an auctioneering family and "never > buying anything at auction unless..." makes me wonder if it has something to > do with your own practices. Perhaps you want to expand a little on your > statement about auctions existing to benefit the seller. I myself am not a merchant, so engage in no auction practices whatever. My father was a licensed auctioneer (among others things), as was one of his brothers. They were legitimate merchants, who chose at times to sell at auctions (both their own goods, and those of others) because they judged that they could make a higher profit for that particular merchandise that way. There is nothing wrong with this, but it would be silly to suggest that when a seller chooses a sales venue he does it for a reason other than maximizing profit. (Of course there are exceptions, e.g. estate sales.) > Buying at any auction is risky. But comparing real-live auctions to on-line > auctions is ridiculous. I would NEVER buy a computer at a real-live auction. The amount of preinspection (etc.) that someone in Finland can do of a product sold in the US is minimal. At least at a live auction he can see that the merchandise actually exists. > This motivation encourages some [live] auctioneers to follow practices > I don't condone. There may be some reputable and respected auctioneers, > but -- to me -- the vast majority fall way below that standard and are not > far from being con artists. You are an ignorant twit. Auctioneers are licensed in the US (at the state level), and sales at live auction are subject to sale of goods law just like any others. Practices you hint at (such as shilling and deliberate misrepresentation of merchandise) are illegal and prosecutable. > Were you an experienced buyer at eBay, I would take your comments more > seriously. But you have ZERO feedback and you have only bought a $16 item in > recent history at eBay. Or do you have other Id's at eBay (and why?). I have already explained the reason I do not often engage in auctions, especially online ones. I have occasionally bid on ebay (and a few other online auctions), but have not bid beyond what the merchandise is worth. On most occasions I have stopped when I realized I could do better from non-auction sources. Of course, one *can* get deals at auctions, online or not, > I am an honest seller and every product I sell is at a very good price and > of excellent quality and condition. I never said otherwise. You are the one who elevated this to the personal level. > I therefore deeply resent comments you > make, such as "buying from ebay is always a bit risky", "the ebay prices are > often higher than the going price from commercial dealers". These are true. Do you resent the truth? Are you saying that you sell in ebay as a charity, or do you reasonably choose to do so because you think you can generally get good prices there? Have I ever hinted that making a living by selling through auctions is wrong? > unchallenged. Especially if you attempt to validate your opinions by stating > you come from an auctioneering family (apparently not an on-line one). I don't know what an on-line auction family is. Are you telling me now that I have to give references for my family? What kind of crap is this? Well, now I see that you are attacking Bill Morrow too, so I'll stop and give him a chance to say something (if he likes). By the way, your habit of 'investigating' people on ebay for this purpose (instead of the intended purpose, i.e. checking a prospective buyer or seller's record) is distasteful. - David R. (who has no financial stake in this discussion and so no axe to grind, just rying to do what I usually do with posts, e.g. help fellow owners out) From cph Fri Aug 27 16:21:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA25349 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:21:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27258; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:20:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27077; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27037; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:20:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA14957; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:20:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:20:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Pat Vellender cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <199908271305_MC2-82A5-AE9F@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Pat Vellender wrote: > unsubscribe > To unsubscribe, you must: mailto: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe> Have a nice day... Bruce Komar From cph Fri Aug 27 17:22:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA25829 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:22:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01566; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:21:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01318; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.njcc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01279; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.njcc.com (165.254.117.52 -> pluto.njcc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:20:20 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (ts4-205.njcc.com [199.224.2.205]) by pluto.njcc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA25796 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001c01bef0d1$c5b299c0$cd02e0c7@oemcomputer> From: "NJCC-MAIL" To: Subject: HD Upgrade troubles. Please offer advice! Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:18:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01BEF0B0.3DBF2540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BEF0B0.3DBF2540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All.=20 Recently I bought an IBM 8.1G drive to upgrade my 385XD. All has gone = well except that Win98 boots to protected mode and therefore cannot = access the CDROM without the 16 bit drivers loaded(and consequently = shows short file names). The device manager shows an error with the primary IDE controller and = bootlog shows that ESDI_560.pdr fails to init. I have tried: 1. Looking for the infamous NOIDE tag in the registry.Not there. 2. Removed the drivers and had 98 reinstall on boot. Same problem. 3. Called IBM Hard Drive support who said the drive should work.=20 4. Called the vendor I bought it from who says it should work. 5. Called MS because I saw they have a new ESDI_560.pdr available but it = will take 3-5 business days for them to send it to me and I'm not sure = if it will solve the problem. 6. Tried all manner of partitions including 4, 2G partitions. 7. Upgraded to FAT32.=20 *NOTE: I set up the new drive with the recover process and with a reg = Win98 install. Same problem. Has anyone else had this problem? What can be done about it? Does anyone = have version 4.10.2002 of ESDI_560.pdr (as seen in the properties. I = have 4.10.1998)? If you have the newer version PLEASE feel free to send = to me or put on a web page. After 20+ hours of playing with this I'm = getting VERY frustrated. Thanks for any and all assistance. Christopher Sink csink@pluto.njcc.com ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BEF0B0.3DBF2540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All.
 
Recently I bought an IBM 8.1G drive = to upgrade=20 my 385XD. All has gone well except that Win98 boots to protected mode = and=20 therefore cannot access the CDROM without the 16 bit drivers loaded(and=20 consequently shows short file names).
 The device manager shows an = error with the=20 primary IDE controller and bootlog shows that ESDI_560.pdr fails to=20 init.
 
 I have tried:
1. Looking for the infamous NOIDE = tag in the=20 registry.Not there.
2. Removed the drivers and had 98 = reinstall on=20 boot. Same problem.
3. Called IBM Hard Drive support who = said the=20 drive should work.
4. Called the vendor I bought it = >from who says=20 it should work.
5. Called MS because I saw they have = a new=20 ESDI_560.pdr available but it will take 3-5 business days for them to = send it to=20 me and I'm not sure if it will solve the problem.
6. Tried all manner of partitions = including 4,=20 2G partitions.
7. Upgraded to FAT32.
 
*NOTE: I set up the new drive with the recover = process and=20 with a reg Win98 install. Same problem.
 
Has anyone else had this problem? = What can be=20 done about it? Does anyone have version 4.10.2002 of ESDI_560.pdr (as = seen in=20 the properties. I have 4.10.1998)? If you have the newer version PLEASE = feel=20 free to send to me or put on a web page. After 20+ hours of playing with = this=20 I'm getting VERY frustrated.
 
Thanks for any and all = assistance.
 
Christopher Sink
csink@pluto.njcc.com ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BEF0B0.3DBF2540-- From cph Fri Aug 27 17:25:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA25842 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:25:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01871; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:22:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01491; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.njcc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01390; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.njcc.com (165.254.117.52 -> pluto.njcc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:21:34 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (ts4-205.njcc.com [199.224.2.205]) by pluto.njcc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA25905 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002401bef0d1$f6efe2e0$cd02e0c7@oemcomputer> From: "NJCC-MAIL" To: Subject: Sorry for the html Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:20:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I forgot that outlook express defaults to that mode. Christopher Sink From cph Fri Aug 27 18:16:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA26204 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:16:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04651; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:15:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04500; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04438; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:14:03 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-105.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.105]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA18206 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990827181526.006efd0c@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:15:26 -0700 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? In-Reply-To: <0b3101bef0b3$4e9a2650$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Carlos, Unless you are the PR agent for Ebay, relax. Yes, lots of good transactions DO happen, but on the flip side buyers DO have to be wary. For every 10 ebay myeyesaintblue, billmorrow, or electrosoft (moi) there are 1 or 2 compu007 or reelbigfish00. Scam artists routinely hang on ebay and if something transpires, the buyer or seller is left hanging. Ebay, of course, does close to nothing about this. Ebay was nice enough to shut out web based mail accounts, but they still haven't addressed aol.com abuse, or fraud practices conducted daily. If you do a history search of compu007, this just happened two weeks ago. In essense, ebay is saying, "We're a large forum that can't get involved, but we'll take your money." How you want to take this as a user is a personal choice. Some users want a hands off approach (can we say usenet forsale groups? ugh), and some want even tighter monitoring and verification procedures. I, too, find it appalling that you are personally attacking Bill (who is one of the nicest, funniest guys you will meet.....oh yeah, he's also incredibly honest!), and dominique (who you felt needed to be systematically dissected). My father routinely attends auctions to obtain sought after items and to try and get items for a good price. Surprisingly, he achieves success on a routine basis. I've been to many real life auctions, and I think they are great. This is not a personal attack upon you. This is a discussion of ebay overall. I am sure you are a nice guy, and your feedback profile is very, very nice on ebay. Yes, I use ebay all the time. Deals can and are made. I've routinely purchased items well below market cost. On the flip side I've seen items go sky high and when I sell something at a good price, I LOVE that feeling. There is nothing wrong with making a profit. I do massive research on items before buying and will readily contact the user, ask other users how their transaction went, and check past auctions to get a feel for the seller. Whilst I am leery of Ebay, I would have no problems bidding/purchasing from you. The art here is to seperate the gold from the rock and discard the rock. I've seen items sell for SO MUCH MORE than they go for new that it boggles the mind. Bidding wars happen all the time. I really think people take being outbidded personally sometimes. I think the point in all this is caveat emptor, this is not a personal attack, and while I like ebay and use it daily, it IS loaded with flaws and problems. You have to learn how to work the system. :) Now sit back, relax and smile. :) Mark At 01:40 PM 8/27/99 -0400, Carlos de la Puente wrote: >I see you bought a ThinkPad for almost $2,500 on eBay. Your feedback on this >transaction was "Seller was honest and trustworthy in a $2500 sale. AAA+++ >rating (top rating)". > >I also see you bought a ThinkPad 701C on eBay for $483. No feedback on this >one. I would have expected to see a negative feedback if you were unhappy >with your purchase. > >I am therefore a bit puzzled by your comments regarding the "condition" of >the product and the things you are "leaving up to the imagination of the >reader". > >Were you not in the business of selling ThinkPads, I would not question the >motivation behind your comments (or is that another Bill Morrow). > >Carlos > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill Morrow >To: Dominique Pivard >Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 12:13 AM >Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? > > >>beware of auctions.. >> >>the very essence of an auction is that the instant marketplace will set the >>value.. sometimes driven by hysteria, sometimes not.. >> >>the question of "condition" which is very important, is capricious, what >the >>seller thinks of as perfect might mean that the scratches do not go through >>the full thickness of the case... while the buyer thinks that a "scuff" >>should wipe off with a moistened kleenex.. >>also, there is the question of operational condition, which is an area i >>will leave to the imagination of the reader.. :-) >> > > > ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Aug 27 19:06:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA26487 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:06:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07151; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:05:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06921; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06890; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:05:05 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA13837; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:05:02 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <010601bef0e0$99fba920$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "David Ross" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Personal attacks (was: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions?) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:05:05 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > Hey, wait a minute. I have dealt with Carlos and I know that he doesn't say > things without a deep feeling. [...snip...] Before > you color him with the same brush you are using for the entire gentry, please > obtain the facts in the future. Let's get the chronology straight - I never mentioned him at all - barely knew of his existence - until he viciously attacked me here for expressing the opinion that online auctions can be risky. Am I not allowed to post such an opinion without my own integrity ("makes me wonder if it has something to do with your own practices") or that of my late father and uncle ("...not far from being con artists...") being attacked? You say that "he doesn't say things without a real feeling" - I hope you're not implying that he has a good motivation for these unprovoked and distressing ad hominem attacks? I'm glad to hear that you have had good experiences with Mr. de la Puente; had he had a 560 for sale on ebay or anywhere else, I think you would have done Mr. Pivard a real service by giving him this information and a positive report on the seller. Oops, now I've written again on this thread, when I said I was going to stop. Sorry. - David R. From cph Fri Aug 27 19:22:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA26575 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:22:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08004; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:22:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07892; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07879; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:22:00 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-10.gate.net [207.36.212.10]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA155006; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:22:23 -0400 Message-ID: <37C71D85.244F542A@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:21:41 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJCC-MAIL CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD Upgrade troubles. Please offer advice! References: <001c01bef0d1$c5b299c0$cd02e0c7@oemcomputer> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FA0BFB03CFFBFF03B0D2C764" List-Unsubscribe: --------------FA0BFB03CFFBFF03B0D2C764 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the 8.1gig drives may have some sort of incompatability with some thinkpads and win9x.. try updating the bios, update win9x to win98SE, and see if that helps.. NJCC-MAIL wrote: > Hi All. Recently I bought an IBM 8.1G drive to upgrade my 385XD. All > has gone well except that Win98 boots to protected mode and therefore > cannot access the CDROM without the 16 bit drivers loaded(and > consequently shows short file names). The device manager shows an > error with the primary IDE controller and bootlog shows that > ESDI_560.pdr fails to init. I have tried:1. Looking for the infamous > NOIDE tag in the registry.Not there.2. Removed the drivers and had 98 > reinstall on boot. Same problem.3. Called IBM Hard Drive support who > said the drive should work.4. Called the vendor I bought it from who > says it should work.5. Called MS because I saw they have a new > ESDI_560.pdr available but it will take 3-5 business days for them to > send it to me and I'm not sure if it will solve the problem.6. Tried > all manner of partitions including 4, 2G partitions.7. Upgraded to > FAT32. *NOTE: I set up the new drive with the recover process and with > a reg Win98 install. Same problem. Has anyone else had this problem? > What can be done about it? Does anyone have version 4.10.2002 of > ESDI_560.pdr (as seen in the properties. I have 4.10.1998)? If you > have the newer version PLEASE feel free to send to me or put on a web > page. After 20+ hours of playing with this I'm getting VERY > frustrated. Thanks for any and all assistance. Christopher > Sinkcsink@pluto.njcc.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------FA0BFB03CFFBFF03B0D2C764 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the 8.1gig drives may have some sort of incompatability with some thinkpads and win9x..

try updating the bios, update win9x to win98SE, and see if that helps..

NJCC-MAIL wrote:

 Hi All. Recently I bought an IBM 8.1G drive to upgrade my 385XD. All has gone well except that Win98 boots to protected mode and therefore cannot access the CDROM without the 16 bit drivers loaded(and consequently shows short file names). The device manager shows an error with the primary IDE controller and bootlog shows that ESDI_560.pdr fails to init.  I have tried:1. Looking for the infamous NOIDE tag in the registry.Not there.2. Removed the drivers and had 98 reinstall on boot. Same problem.3. Called IBM Hard Drive support who said the drive should work.4. Called the vendor I bought it from who says it should work.5. Called MS because I saw they have a new ESDI_560.pdr available but it will take 3-5 business days for them to send it to me and I'm not sure if it will solve the problem.6. Tried all manner of partitions including 4, 2G partitions.7. Upgraded to FAT32. *NOTE: I set up the new drive with the recover process and with a reg Win98 install. Same problem. Has anyone else had this problem? What can be done about it? Does anyone have version 4.10.2002 of ESDI_560.pdr (as seen in the properties. I have 4.10.1998)? If you have the newer version PLEASE feel free to send to me or put on a web page. After 20+ hours of playing with this I'm getting VERY frustrated. Thanks for any and all assistance. Christopher Sinkcsink@pluto.njcc.com

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** Bill Morrow **   :-)
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Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------FA0BFB03CFFBFF03B0D2C764-- From cph Fri Aug 27 19:25:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA26596 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:25:40 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08644; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:23:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08207; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08176; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.252.137 -> wya-lfd73.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:23:40 -0400 Received: (qmail 47752 invoked by uid 0); 27 Aug 1999 23:23:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19990827232339.47751.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 210.55.237.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:23:38 PDT X-Originating-IP: [210.55.237.83] From: "No-Particular Name" To: delapuente.carlos@sympatico.ca, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 04:23:38 AZST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: People - are we here to debate someone's honesty on E-bay or are we here to blow the collective thinkpad trumpet (found in thinkpad config settings BTW) :- ) see ya. chickendude ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Fri Aug 27 19:29:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA26619 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:29:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09184; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:28:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08928; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08914; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:28:05 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-10.gate.net [207.36.212.10]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA382062; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:28:32 -0400 Message-ID: <37C71EF6.BB173076@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:27:50 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: A Kumar CC: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Please complain loudly.. EZ-Serve was, at one time, the best place to get your thinkpad repaired.. now that they are an independant company and not owned by IBM the service has deteroriated and almost any problem becomes "user damage".. A Kumar wrote: > The 600 have a 3 year warranty. > > I have to agree with Randal EZ-Serve is horrible. I just sent back my 600 > with about 15 different problems. I use my ThinkPad on a daily bases and it > is impossible for me to send it back every time the paint chips or one of > the doors come off. So when I finally do send it back I get a call from > EZ-serve saying that I would have to pay $1000 for user damage. Issues like > a battery that refused to keep its charge(How in the world I could have done > that is beyond me). Anyway I refused to pay it got escalated and some lady > told me she would give me a deal I would only have to pay $500! I kindly > said no and again it was escalated this time I just called them every two > hours directly and through IBM Tec support till they got so annoyed they > agreed to 'cover the charge' even though all the problem were caused by me. > Later I found out that the reason everything was considered user damage was > because the clip on my CDROM broke. They assumed I broke it and therefore > they reasoned I also broke everything else! Well I can assure you IBM is > going to be hearing from me. And if my ThinkPad comes back half fixed again > they will be sorry(Grr has come back half fixed from them twice)! I can be > quite persistent when I want to be ;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 12:18 PM > To: David W. Taylor; TP List > Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... > > > 15 months? Wasn't this well past its warranty date? You got >>>lucky! > :-) > > > > I agree with you though--to an extent. Something like this enables IBM to > > show why its "worth it" to pay a premium for their neat little machines. > > > > But heaven help you if you have to send it in to EZ Serve, since they > > contract that out to some other cheapskate company. First they'll accuse > > you of beating it up, then they'll send you an immense bill just for > >looking at it, then they'll insist it will cost $1000 to replace a >door > hinge. > > > > It wasn't like that 5 years ago. EZ Serve has really changed... > > > >- Randy Whittle -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Fri Aug 27 19:48:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA26719 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:48:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10228; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:47:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10065; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10052; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:47:28 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-10.gate.net [207.36.212.10]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA32272; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:47:55 -0400 Message-ID: <37C72381.646E5DEC@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:47:13 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carlos de la Puente CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? References: <0b3101bef0b3$4e9a2650$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Carlos.. i assume that you have directed these comments at me, SO... Carlos de la Puente wrote: > I see you bought a ThinkPad for almost $2,500 on eBay. Your feedback on this > transaction was "Seller was honest and trustworthy in a $2500 sale. AAA+++ > rating (top rating)". > yes, you bet.. the fellow's shipping department even sent the thing NON-COD.. i.e. it landed here and i fedex'd the cashiers check to him.. > > I also see you bought a ThinkPad 701C on eBay for $483. No feedback on this > one. I would have expected to see a negative feedback if you were unhappy > with your purchase. > not as represented.. this machine was advertised as PERFECT.. 10 nhours use, total.. in fact, 10 hours use and 2 years being carried around , in and out of the carry bag, thus the finish was dull and had several scuff marks.. the 701 is a classic and i only paid that much since i expected PERFECT.. so, i would tend to lean toward downgrading most if not all condition ratings by at least one point.. and i will NEVER pay first, and then wait for delivery.. i also bought a new startac vader from a fellow who was selling these on ebay.. we spoke on the phone and i found him to be compatible, so i paid and received exactly what i was expecting, which was a new motorola startac vader cell phone.. same for an extra battery.. from a different seller.. i have "won" bids on other motorola startac phones, which were, OBVIOUSLY, a con job.. if the seller won't talk to you on the phone, or the deal is too good to be true, then it IS too good to be true and i would not get close to it.. (ebay seems tp be the inheritor of all the criminals from the old AOL for sale lists) > > I am therefore a bit puzzled by your comments regarding the "condition" of > the product and the things you are "leaving up to the imagination of the > reader". > > Were you not in the business of selling ThinkPads, I would not question the > motivation behind your comments (or is that another Bill Morrow). > NOW, if you don't mind, i would sure appreciate an explanation of this comment " (or is that another Bill Morrow)." > > Carlos > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Morrow > To: Dominique Pivard > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 12:13 AM > Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? > > >beware of auctions.. > > > >the very essence of an auction is that the instant marketplace will set the > >value.. sometimes driven by hysteria, sometimes not.. > > > >the question of "condition" which is very important, is capricious, what > the > >seller thinks of as perfect might mean that the scratches do not go through > >the full thickness of the case... while the buyer thinks that a "scuff" > >should wipe off with a moistened kleenex.. > >also, there is the question of operational condition, which is an area i > >will leave to the imagination of the reader.. :-) > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Fri Aug 27 22:08:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA27503 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:08:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14994; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:07:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14823; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpcug.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14806; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:07:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from cpcug.org (205.197.248.25 -> cpcug.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:07:13 -0400 Received: from dc-csesp95.idsonline.com (dc-csesp95.idsonline.com [207.176.21.95]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA12114 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:05:24 -0400 (EDT) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 02:07:27 GMT Message-ID: <37c9443c.31441906@cpcug.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA27504 From cph Fri Aug 27 22:37:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA27658 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:37:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16456; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:36:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16301; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16283; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:36:27 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26766.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.247]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA13432 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002a01bef0fe$042dc360$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:35:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: >Carlos.. >i assume that you have directed these comments at me, SO... You are mighty perceptive. >> I see you bought a ThinkPad for almost $2,500 on eBay. Your feedback on this >> transaction was "Seller was honest and trustworthy in a $2500 sale. AAA+++ >> rating (top rating)". >> >yes, you bet.. >the fellow's shipping department even sent the thing NON-COD.. i.e. it landed >here and i fedex'd the cashiers check to him.. Very foolish way of doing business on the part of the seller (considering the limited feedback history you had). I'll make sure I nominate you for "most honest buyer on the net". >> I also see you bought a ThinkPad 701C on eBay for $483. No feedback on this >> one. I would have expected to see a negative feedback if you were unhappy >> with your purchase. > >not as represented.. >this machine was advertised as PERFECT.. 10 nhours use, total.. >in fact, 10 hours use and 2 years being carried around , in and out of the carry >bag, thus the finish was dull and had several scuff marks.. >the 701 is a classic and i only paid that much since i expected PERFECT.. >so, i would tend to lean toward downgrading most if not all condition ratings by >at least one point.. >and i will NEVER pay first, and then wait for delivery.. I see. So someone ripped you off and you now decide to use this forum to put down eBay. Why then did you not post negative feedback on the buyer? (just wondering, I don't really care) >i also bought a new startac vader from a fellow who was selling these on ebay.. >we spoke on the phone and i found him to be compatible, so i paid and received >exactly what i was expecting, which was a new motorola startac vader cell >phone.. > >same for an extra battery.. from a different seller.. Good for you. >i have "won" bids on other motorola startac phones, which were, OBVIOUSLY, a con >job.. > >if the seller won't talk to you on the phone, or the deal is too good to be >true, then it IS too good to be true and i would not get close to it.. Very wise. I'll make a note of that. >(ebay seems tp be the inheritor of all the criminals from the old AOL for sale >lists) There we go again. Poor Bill.... did they rip you off at AOL too? >> I am therefore a bit puzzled by your comments regarding the "condition" of >> the product and the things you are "leaving up to the imagination of the >> reader". >> >> Were you not in the business of selling ThinkPads, I would not question the >> motivation behind your comments (or is that another Bill Morrow). >> > >NOW, if you don't mind, i would sure appreciate an explanation of this comment " >(or is that another Bill Morrow)." > I searched on the web for "Bill Morrow", you can do this for yourself. I don't suppose you are the State Senator for the 38th District. I see you spent a great deal of time in your reply. However, I fail to see what your point is. I am ending this particular thread here. So have the final word if you wish. Matters little to me. Carlos From cph Fri Aug 27 22:44:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA27694 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:44:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17075; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:42:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16839; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16825; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:42:51 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.19.169]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990828024248.WECR18791@770>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 02:42:48 +0000 Message-ID: <37C74C04.25F0@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:40:04 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carlos de la Puente CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions? References: <002a01bef0fe$042dc360$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hey Carlos... Don't tell them all our secrets.. Buy low, sell high, live long and prosper. Ebay is super, if you know how to work it! Common sense always rules. Just like here. Carlos de la Puente wrote: > > >Carlos.. > >i assume that you have directed these comments at me, SO... > > You are mighty perceptive. > > >> I see you bought a ThinkPad for almost $2,500 on eBay. Your feedback on > this > >> transaction was "Seller was honest and trustworthy in a $2500 sale. > AAA+++ > >> rating (top rating)". > >> > >yes, you bet.. > >the fellow's shipping department even sent the thing NON-COD.. i.e. it > landed > >here and i fedex'd the cashiers check to him.. > > Very foolish way of doing business on the part of the seller (considering > the limited feedback history you had). I'll make sure I nominate you for > "most honest buyer on the net". > > >> I also see you bought a ThinkPad 701C on eBay for $483. No feedback on > this > >> one. I would have expected to see a negative feedback if you were unhappy > >> with your purchase. > > > >not as represented.. > >this machine was advertised as PERFECT.. 10 nhours use, total.. > >in fact, 10 hours use and 2 years being carried around , in and out of the > carry > >bag, thus the finish was dull and had several scuff marks.. > >the 701 is a classic and i only paid that much since i expected PERFECT.. > >so, i would tend to lean toward downgrading most if not all condition > ratings by > >at least one point.. > >and i will NEVER pay first, and then wait for delivery.. > > I see. So someone ripped you off and you now decide to use this forum to put > down eBay. Why then did you not post negative feedback on the buyer? (just > wondering, I don't really care) > > >i also bought a new startac vader from a fellow who was selling these on > ebay.. > >we spoke on the phone and i found him to be compatible, so i paid and > received > >exactly what i was expecting, which was a new motorola startac vader cell > >phone.. > > > >same for an extra battery.. from a different seller.. > > Good for you. > > >i have "won" bids on other motorola startac phones, which were, OBVIOUSLY, > a con > >job.. > > > >if the seller won't talk to you on the phone, or the deal is too good to be > >true, then it IS too good to be true and i would not get close to it.. > > Very wise. I'll make a note of that. > > >(ebay seems tp be the inheritor of all the criminals from the old AOL for > sale > >lists) > > There we go again. Poor Bill.... did they rip you off at AOL too? > > >> I am therefore a bit puzzled by your comments regarding the "condition" > of > >> the product and the things you are "leaving up to the imagination of the > >> reader". > >> > >> Were you not in the business of selling ThinkPads, I would not question > the > >> motivation behind your comments (or is that another Bill Morrow). > >> > > > >NOW, if you don't mind, i would sure appreciate an explanation of this > comment " > >(or is that another Bill Morrow)." > > > > I searched on the web for "Bill Morrow", you can do this for yourself. I > don't suppose you are the State Senator for the 38th District. > > I see you spent a great deal of time in your reply. However, I fail to see > what your point is. I am ending this particular thread here. So have the > final word if you wish. Matters little to me. > > Carlos From cph Fri Aug 27 22:58:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA27769 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:58:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17744; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:57:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17596; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17582; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:57:47 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26766.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.247]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA18025 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 23:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004701bef100$ff67a870$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: Subject: Re: Personal attacks (was: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions?) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:56:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: >This post has me extremely upset. I would appreciate it if anyone else on this list could let me know (by email, to conserve >bandwidth) if I've ever said anything here to warrant such a personal attack by de la Puente. I believe you said "buying from ebay is always a bit risky". The word "always" seems to have a personal impact on me. Therefore my "personal attack" to you. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. >You are an ignorant twit. Wow! Now that's a display of wit and intelligence! >These are true. Because you say so? From cph Sat Aug 28 00:40:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA28357 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:40:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21406; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:39:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21280; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21243; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.142 -> as-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:39:39 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) id AAA04962 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-gbs-vty44.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-gbs-vty44.as.wcom.net [216.192.132.44]) by spamraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA04948 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 23:39:12 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.35) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <11985.990827@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: Personal attacks (was: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions?) In-reply-To: <004701bef100$ff67a870$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> References: <004701bef100$ff67a870$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Friday, August 27, 1999, 9:56:59 PM, Carlos wrote: CdlP> I believe you said "buying from ebay is always a bit risky". The word CdlP> "always" seems to have a personal impact on me. Therefore my "personal CdlP> attack" to you. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. Excuse me while I rush in where angels fear to tread. It is possible that English is not Carlos' first language. If that is so, then it would explain his missing a subtle shade of meaning in English. If I say (for example), "Betting on Roulette is always a bit risky.", it does not mean that I am saying that if you bet on Roulette, you will always lose your money. However, if you do so, you are *always* taking that *risk*. I suspect that when buying from a stranger, whether on ebay, this newsgroup, or a classified ad in your local paper, such activity is "always a bit risky". When one does this, one is *always* taking the *risk* that the deal or merchandise will not be as expected. It does not mean that you will always get screwed when you buy something via ebay. It means that you will always take the risk that you will be screwed. Backing my car out of my driveway to go to work is always a bit risky. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN8dnv28pw+2/9pUJEQIDKwCg3TdCjB+QMmpuU9NuzPOxM7PZWnkAoNeA wbCrwD9ebRr7bKpjPaefwaxi =1TR6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Sat Aug 28 08:28:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA29623 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:28:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21178; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:26:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21008; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20995; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.4 -> dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:26:40 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA26377 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 07:26:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908281226.HAA26377@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Received: from user-38ld78m.dialup.mindspring.com(209.86.157.22) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma026365; Sat Aug 28 07:26:05 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199907231538.LAA15308@pike.sover.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Dock II - 760CD List-Unsubscribe: My replacement Dock II seems to work just fine. What a happy camper 'is me.' This is my first experience with a Dock, and, like wow, it is a beautiful concept. If only I could budget a fancy stand-alone LCD monitor for the Dock! A question: I don't know much about SCSI drives, but have heard and read that they are significantly faster than IDE drives. As my unit is an older p120 760CD (64 MB RAM), would use of a scsi drive in the Dock improve performance to any noticable degree? (At least enough to justify the additional expense?) Thanks! Allan Ballard From cph Sat Aug 28 10:34:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA29926 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:34:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26134; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:33:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25971; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25918; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:31:58 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-103.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.103]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA06775 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990828103333.01001e28@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:33:33 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Ebay Item Forsale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Speaking of which: I have a Thinkpad 770x (954972U) up forsale on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=154095581 :) Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Sat Aug 28 11:12:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA30020 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:12:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27677; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:11:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27472; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27456; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (207.115.58.53 -> pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:10:55 -0400 Received: from defiant (TXARB102-10.splitrock.net [209.253.58.10]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA281684 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:10:53 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01bef167$822f0e40$84c3fea9@defiant> Reply-To: "Charles McDaniel" From: "Charles McDaniel" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: Ebay Item Forsale Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:10:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Whew that's nice, makes mine look like a piece of junk..if it sold for the reserve I'd buy it,, but man that is Really nice, good luck with it.. Charles McDaniel Speaking of which: I have a Thinkpad 770x (954972U) up forsale on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=154095581 :) Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net Charles & Melinda McDaniel take off the nospam_ to e-mail me: nospam_wcmcdaniel@prodigy.net For more info on Quake and Quakeworld http://www.planetquake.com or http://www.quakeworld.net From cph Sat Aug 28 11:21:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA30039 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:21:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28170; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:20:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28092; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28077; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.14 -> dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:20:16 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA21496 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:20:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908281520.KAA21496@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Received: from user-38ld4e6.dialup.mindspring.com(209.86.145.198) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021463; Sat Aug 28 10:19:49 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990828103333.01001e28@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 2nd battery in the ultrabay List-Unsubscribe: Help! I have just discovered that a 2nd battery will not just "snap in" to my 760CD. What is the trick to installing a 2nd battery? So far, no connector appears to exist, and the ultrabay compartment is too large? Thanks in advance. Allan Ballard From cph Sat Aug 28 12:16:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA30257 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:16:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00995; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:14:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00631; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00618; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:14:42 -0400 Received: from ronsthinkpad ([12.77.28.111]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990828161439.CPRI18791@ronsthinkpad>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:14:39 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01bef170$a7681540$6f1c4d0c@ronsthinkpad> From: "Ronald Ross" To: "Alexander Wagner" , "Bill Morrow" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <005001bedb7f$c4215180$ec1b4d0c@ronsthinkpad> <37A3ED39.F8343133@icanect.net> Subject: Re: TP 600 - Removing & Cleaning Keys Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:15:18 -0400 Organization: RJR Consultants, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: A belated but nevertheless heartfelt "Thank You!!" to Alexander Wagner & Bill Morrow for your suggestions. Mission Accomplished! Ron Ross RJR Consultants, Inc. Charlotte, NC >AFAIK you could remove them with a small screwdriver. Simply lift them. >Mechanism should be the same as on the 385ers. You can then clean them inside. >But I don't think that you've much success there, cause it's a rather complex >mechanism below the keycaps. Have a look at it yourself, but I think you can't >get where Dr. Pepper went in. >On the other side, TP-keyboards are replacable. And they're not as expensive >as one may think of. My brother replaces his (he wanted German layout on his >US-model). Was about $50,- for a complete new keyboard. So maybe that would be >an option to think of. Especially if you write quite fast using 10 fingers I >think that's the only way to get it working again. Look in the "Hardware >Maintenance Manual" (short "HMM") for you 600. You'll find it somewhere at IBM >on the Web. Search for ... It should be available as PDF, HTML and Bookreader >for free. You'll also find a list of all replacable parts including the >partnumber to order there. Replacement of the keyboard shouldn't be impossible >if you know how to handle a screwdriver. (It's more complex stuff on the 760.) >But have a look for you own you'll find detailed charts and replacement >instructions in the HMM. > >>Any tips for cleaning sticky keys, particularly the Shift Key, would be >>greatly appreciated. > >Shift is especially complicated, cause it's so big. The only idea I've for >cleaning up is water, water, water. Probably you could disassemble the >keyboard completely. It will be in the "inside" a rubberkeyboard which should >have no problems with water. But I'd really suggest to remove it from your TP >first. > >>Thanks...... > >Hope it helps a bit, though it might not have bee what you expected. >-- > >CU/2 (( In the beginning was The Word >Alexander Wagner )) and The Word was Content-type: text/plain >Team OS/2 Franken >_______________________________________________________________________ __ > -=[ Team OS/2 Germany #294 ]=- ---- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morrow To: Ronald Ross Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 02:46 AM Subject: Re: TP 600 - Removing & Cleaning Keys > carefully remove keytops, pray that none of the pepsi has intruded within > the membrane, take a Q-Tip (c) and, using a solution of > H2O(75%)/Joy(c)(5%)/Denatured Alcohol(20%) [proportions need not be exact], > dip the Q-Tip(c) into the cleaning mixture, squeeze off excess fluid and > use to swab up the mess.. :-) > you are lucky this cooling elixer did not make it onto the system board or > other electronic areas.. > i used to use cola drinks (not (c)) to clean off the huge copper battery > terminals on my boat before i switched to sealed gel cell batteries.. > > i suggest "doing" a few keys at a time.. :-) > > Ronald Ross wrote: > > > I tried to cool off my beloved ThinkPad 600 by feeding it an icy Dr. > > Pepper. Unfortunately the soda was indigestible. I did this a few > > months ago, and the keys still continue to "stick". So, now I need to > > clean up the mess I created. > > > > How do I remove the keys without damaging them? > > > > Any tips for cleaning sticky keys, particularly the Shift Key, would be > > greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks...... > > > > Ron Ross > > RJR Consultants, Inc > > Charlotte, NC > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > Ron Ross RJR Consultants, Inc Charlotte, NC From cph Sat Aug 28 12:33:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA30310 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:33:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02023; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:32:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01937; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01914; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:32:50 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id JAA17919 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990828092929.00c17560@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:31:17 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: [TP380Z] How to clean the LCD screen? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I can't seem to find the message(s) I should have archived regarding the proper cleaning method for the LCD screen on an ThinkPad 380Z. Any suggestions would be appreciated. -- David Goldman From cph Sat Aug 28 12:46:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA30352 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:46:32 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02918; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:45:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02723; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02680; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:45:22 -0400 Received: from PADDY (mg-20425426-83.ricochet.net [204.254.26.83]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA22431; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:45:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Allan Ballard" , Subject: RE: 2nd battery in the ultrabay Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:45:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <199908281520.KAA21496@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 List-Unsubscribe: > I have just discovered that a 2nd battery will > not just "snap in" to my 760CD. > > What is the trick to installing a 2nd battery? > > So far, no connector appears to exist, and > the ultrabay compartment is too large? Look toward the back of the bay, where the battery connector ought to be. There should be a plastic cover you can flip up to reveal the connector. That's how my 760E works anyway. -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Sat Aug 28 13:22:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA30493 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:22:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04343; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:20:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04152; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04139; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:20:53 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26766.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.247]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA29683; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <079e01bef179$92b16a30$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: "Allan Ballard" , Subject: Re: Dock II - 760CD Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:17:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Allan, If you could budget enough for a LCD monitor, you probably could afford a 770 instead. You would notice a difference when using a SCSI disk drive (at least when accessing files on that drive). Whether that justifies the additional expense or not, is very subjective. Now, if you don't have an IDE cable then you have no choice but going with SCSI. You could get an IDE cable, but the only place I know that sells them is IBM ($40). If all you want is an extra 2GB, then you are better-off getting a SCSI drive. To mount any disk drive in the Dock II half-height bay, you will need a PS/2-style drive mounting tray or rail. If you want to mount it in the slim-high bay, it gets more complex. This is if you want to do a clean job. Otherwise, you can find ingenious ways of securing the drive to the bay. Most SCSI drives (if not a really old one) come with SCSI termination jumpers. However, they usually have "active" termination. The SCSI controller in the Dock II doesn't always like "active" termination and will give you some false error messages. If that happens, you will need to disable the termination on the drive and install an in-line "passive" terminator. It is less complicated than it sounds. Since you are a new Dock II user, I will give you the standard warning I give to all my Dock II buyers: Be very gentle when removing the unit cover, its protrusions can get tangled with a small circuit board on the front of the unit and break it. When putting the cover back, you should also make sure that the headphone jack -- on the front right side -- is aligned with the hole in the cover. If it is not and you force the cover in, it may damage the sound card. Hope this helps, Carlos -----Original Message----- From: Allan Ballard To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, August 28, 1999 8:27 AM Subject: Dock II - 760CD >My replacement Dock II seems to work just fine. What >a happy camper 'is me.' > >This is my first experience with a Dock, and, like wow, >it is a beautiful concept. > >If only I could budget a fancy stand-alone LCD monitor >for the Dock! > >A question: I don't know much about SCSI drives, but have >heard and read that they are significantly faster than IDE >drives. > >As my unit is an older p120 760CD (64 MB RAM), would use >of a scsi drive in the Dock improve performance to any >noticable degree? (At least enough to justify the additional >expense?) > >Thanks! > > Allan Ballard > > From cph Sat Aug 28 13:28:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA30511 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:28:05 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04823; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:27:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04666; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04652; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.42 -> mail9.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:27:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 19675 invoked by uid 0); 28 Aug 1999 17:26:56 -0000 Received: from pppa27-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.90.86) by mail9.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 17:26:56 -0000 Message-ID: <37C81BB9.2FBB3B0@netzero.net> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:26:17 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: Allan Ballard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 2nd battery in the ultrabay References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: For the TP770, see page 3-7 of the User's Guide for a drawing of the required battery adapter needed. Bottom right of the page. Michael Geary wrote: > > > I have just discovered that a 2nd battery will > > not just "snap in" to my 760CD. > > > > What is the trick to installing a 2nd battery? > > > > So far, no connector appears to exist, and > > the ultrabay compartment is too large? > > Look toward the back of the bay, where the battery connector ought to be. > There should be a plastic cover you can flip up to reveal the connector. > That's how my 760E works anyway. > > -Mike > > ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Sat Aug 28 14:01:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA30643 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:01:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06461; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:00:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06250; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06237; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (207.69.200.64 -> smtp4.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:00:12 -0400 Received: from thinkpad1721i (pool-207-205-237-51.dlls.grid.net [207.205.237.51]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA25051 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004501bef17f$1624be80$33edcdcf@thinkpad1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: References: Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:59:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: It's curious that TP owners either praise EZ-Serve or deplore it. I've got to think that these extremes have less to do with EZ-Serve an more to do with owners expectations of their warranty. With all due respect to A Kumar, I find it hard to believe that one TP could have 15 problems due to normal ware and tare or manufacture's defects. IBM makes a durable product, that if treated carefully, should not need $1,000 of service during its lifetime, even if it is used daily. Transmonde, who also made quality laptops, just went out of business due to shrinking profit margins. TP's will probably be around for awhile, but IBM cannot afford to give away services either. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: A Kumar To: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 11:41 PM Subject: RE: Good Service from IBM... | | The 600 have a 3 year warranty. | | I have to agree with Randal EZ-Serve is horrible. I just sent back my 600 | with about 15 different problems. I use my ThinkPad on a daily bases and it | is impossible for me to send it back every time the paint chips or one of | the doors come off. So when I finally do send it back I get a call from | EZ-serve saying that I would have to pay $1000 for user damage. Issues like | a battery that refused to keep its charge(How in the world I could have done | that is beyond me). Anyway I refused to pay it got escalated and some lady | told me she would give me a deal I would only have to pay $500! I kindly | said no and again it was escalated this time I just called them every two | hours directly and through IBM Tec support till they got so annoyed they | agreed to 'cover the charge' even though all the problem were caused by me. | Later I found out that the reason everything was considered user damage was | because the clip on my CDROM broke. They assumed I broke it and therefore | they reasoned I also broke everything else! Well I can assure you IBM is | going to be hearing from me. And if my ThinkPad comes back half fixed again | they will be sorry(Grr has come back half fixed from them twice)! I can be | quite persistent when I want to be ;) | | -----Original Message----- | From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] | Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 12:18 PM | To: David W. Taylor; TP List | Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... | | > 15 months? Wasn't this well past its warranty date? You got >>>lucky! | :-) | > | > I agree with you though--to an extent. Something like this enables IBM to | > show why its "worth it" to pay a premium for their neat little machines. | > | > But heaven help you if you have to send it in to EZ Serve, since they | > contract that out to some other cheapskate company. First they'll accuse | > you of beating it up, then they'll send you an immense bill just for | >looking at it, then they'll insist it will cost $1000 to replace a >door | hinge. | > | > It wasn't like that 5 years ago. EZ Serve has really changed... | > | >- Randy Whittle | | From cph Sat Aug 28 14:14:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA30683 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:14:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07326; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:13:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07135; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot008.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07122; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot008.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.108 -> pilot008.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:13:01 -0400 Received: from andres (pm455-14.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.24]) by pilot008.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA56112 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:12:56 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990828141247.00a74b80@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:12:47 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: [TP380Z] How to clean the LCD screen? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990828092929.00c17560@shell9.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I've used all purpose lens cleaner used for glasses, with a non-fiber cloth--or in a pinch, paper towels. Just put the cleaner on the cloth, not the screen. This avoids dripping down into the electronics. Unless your 380 screen is somehow radically different from any other screen, this will work just fine. STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 09:31 AM 8/28/99 -0700, David Goldman wrote: >I can't seem to find the message(s) I should have archived >regarding the proper cleaning method for the LCD screen on >an ThinkPad 380Z. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > >-- >David Goldman From cph Sat Aug 28 14:30:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA30738 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:30:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08038; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:28:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07862; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07849; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (128.49.4.4 -> marlin.nosc.mil) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:28:02 -0400 Received: from dlsthinkpad (nradpc-ascend-ppp31.nosc.mil [198.253.40.231]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17427; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:27:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek Seaman" To: "Chuck S." , Subject: RE: Good Service from IBM... Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:25:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <004501bef17f$1624be80$33edcdcf@thinkpad1721i> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I've had my 600E worked on twice. Once was for a defective LCD screen, and the other for a dead HD. For the LCD screen, they replaced the whole screen, and updated by BIOS (I guess I had an older one). For the HD they just mailed me a new one within a few days, and then I mailed back the old one. No problems, no hassles, and very fast service. One of the doors on my docking connector is busted, so I'll probably send it in when I'm home for a few weeks. Derek From cph Sat Aug 28 15:38:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA30934 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:38:55 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10350; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:37:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10195; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10182; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.28 -> secure.smtp.email.msn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:37:23 -0400 Received: from ppro200 - 63.14.53.80 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:37:20 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Richard A. Bilancia" To: Subject: RE: Good Service from IBM... Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:37:12 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Seaman [mailto:dseaman@spawar.navy.mil] > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 12:25 PM > To: Chuck S.; tp750@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: Good Service from IBM... > > > I've had my 600E worked on twice. Once was for a defective > LCD screen, and > the other for a dead HD. For the LCD screen, they replaced > the whole screen, > and updated by BIOS (I guess I had an older one). For the HD they just > mailed me a new one within a few days, and then I mailed back > the old one. > > No problems, no hassles, and very fast service. One of the doors on my > docking connector is busted, so I'll probably send it in when > I'm home for a few weeks. Derek, That's when you'll likely have a problem. It seems that breakages in the plastic parts get blamed on abuse. I have a 560X (under the extended EasyServe plan) that developed a hairline crack on the LCD hinge. When I sent it in for repair, they wanted to charge me ~$400 for the plastic! Since I refused to pay (escalating the problem 3 levels), it took over a week to get the unit back. I did however, finally avoid having to pay the $400. I hope you have better luck! Rich --- "Adversity is the crucible in which greatness is forged." - Ken Baker Richard A. Bilancia P. O. Box 620127 Littleton, Colorado 80162-0127 Voice: (303) 973-4035 - FAX: (303) 979-2248 Worldwide Web: http://homepages.msn.com/CommercialSt/rabilancia Internet email: rab@msn.com Activity-Based Management and Open Systems Accounting Solutions From cph Sat Aug 28 15:58:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA31015 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:58:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11868; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:57:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11737; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpcug.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11721; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:57:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from cpcug.org (205.197.248.25 -> cpcug.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:57:47 -0400 Received: from dc-csesp94.idsonline.com (dc-csesp94.idsonline.com [207.176.21.94]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA19917 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:55:55 -0400 (EDT) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:58:04 GMT Message-ID: <37c93f33.12148747@cpcug.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA31016 UNSUBSCRIBE From cph Sat Aug 28 16:21:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA31081 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:21:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13071; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:20:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12944; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12929; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:20:36 -0400 Received: from PADDY (mg-20425426-83.ricochet.net [204.254.26.83]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA06649; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:20:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Allan Ballard" , Subject: RE: 2nd battery in the ultrabay Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:20:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <199908281520.KAA21496@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 List-Unsubscribe: > I have just discovered that a 2nd battery will > not just "snap in" to my 760CD. > > What is the trick to installing a 2nd battery? > > So far, no connector appears to exist, and > the ultrabay compartment is too large? p.s. You should download this file, the 760CD User's Guide: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/760cdugd.pdf There should be a section titled "Installing a Secondary Battery Pack." -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ From cph Sun Aug 29 00:05:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA32351 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:05:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25208; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:03:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24998; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24983; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (24.112.32.20 -> smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:03:25 -0400 Received: from mail.on.rogers.wave.ca ([24.112.32.4]:47898 "EHLO mail.on.rogers.wave.ca" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca with ESMTP id <512889-27838>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:02:58 -0400 Received: from cr394328-a.rchrd1.on.wave.home.com ([24.112.93.189]:1376 "HELO actprod" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by mail.on.rogers.wave.ca with SMTP id <324678-982>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:03:00 -0400 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: ACT Productions Inc., 199-K1S 2P3, Ottawa To: obc@cycling.org, power-assist@cyclery.com, chainguard@cyclery.com, labmembers@cycling.org, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Touring Digest Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:02:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) Re: [OM] ...rechargeables... -Reply Reply-to: tom@act.ca Priority: urgent X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: <19990829040304Z324678-982+27@mail.on.rogers.wave.ca> List-Unsubscribe: Also, many, many details on NiCd batteries, charging, life, "memory", etc, Tom ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:34:26 -0400 From: Scott Nelson To: olympus@zuiko.sls.bc.ca Subject: Re: [OM] ...rechargeables... -Reply Send reply to: olympus@zuiko.sls.bc.ca Anyone looking for a good non-single word technical discussion of the relative merits of rechargables might try: http://www.antonbauer.com/tech/handbook.html However, this information is on the Internet, a notoriously unreliable, myth-filled media.. < This message was delivered via the Olympus Mailing List > < For questions, mailto:owner-olympus@Zuiko.sls.bc.ca > < Web Page: http://Zuiko.sls.bc.ca/swright/olympuslist.html > ------------------ From:Tom Trottier, ACT Productions Inc. __o tom@act.ca http://www.act.ca _ \< +1 613 594-4829 fax +1 613 594-8944 (*)/'(*) 199 Holmwood Ave, Ottawa, Ontario Canada K1S 2P3 "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler" - Einstein From cph Sun Aug 29 00:16:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA32386 for ; 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charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Sunday is the last day of auction for an IBM ThinkPad 380ED http://classifieds.excite.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C2+R58777 Warm regards, -lou- From cph Sun Aug 29 02:15:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA00315 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:15:46 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28633; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:14:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28506; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28493; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:14:13 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-210.gate.net [207.36.212.210]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA158544; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:14:39 -0400 Message-ID: <37C8CFA5.D7DE57C0@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:13:57 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: Allan Ballard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 2nd battery in the ultrabay References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Allan.. flip up the blue plastic cover and remove the black plastic "filler" piece.. Michael Geary wrote: > > I have just discovered that a 2nd battery will > > not just "snap in" to my 760CD. > > > > What is the trick to installing a 2nd battery? > > > > So far, no connector appears to exist, and > > the ultrabay compartment is too large? > > p.s. You should download this file, the 760CD User's Guide: > > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/760cdugd.pdf > > There should be a section titled "Installing a Secondary Battery Pack." > > -Mike > > ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://geary.com/thinkpad/ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Sun Aug 29 02:18:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA00331 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:18:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29036; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:18:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28939; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28925; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:18:07 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-210.gate.net [207.36.212.210]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA158690; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:18:36 -0400 Message-ID: <37C8D091.D817E4EC@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:17:53 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ronald W. Heiby" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Personal attacks (was: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions?) References: <004701bef100$ff67a870$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> <11985.990827@falkor.chi.il.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I think carlos has a good command of english.. i think he's just a child whose mother should have slapped him when he became rude and mean, but did not, and thus created one more looser.. "Ronald W. Heiby" wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Friday, August 27, 1999, 9:56:59 PM, Carlos wrote: > CdlP> I believe you said "buying from ebay is always a bit risky". The word > CdlP> "always" seems to have a personal impact on me. Therefore my "personal > CdlP> attack" to you. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. > > Excuse me while I rush in where angels fear to tread. > > It is possible that English is not Carlos' first language. If that is > so, then it would explain his missing a subtle shade of meaning in > English. > > If I say (for example), "Betting on Roulette is always a bit risky.", > it does not mean that I am saying that if you bet on Roulette, you > will always lose your money. However, if you do so, you are *always* > taking that *risk*. > > I suspect that when buying from a stranger, whether on ebay, this > newsgroup, or a classified ad in your local paper, such activity is > "always a bit risky". When one does this, one is *always* taking the > *risk* that the deal or merchandise will not be as expected. It does > not mean that you will always get screwed when you buy something via > ebay. It means that you will always take the risk that you will be > screwed. > > Backing my car out of my driveway to go to work is always a bit risky. > > Ron. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 > Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. > > iQA/AwUBN8dnv28pw+2/9pUJEQIDKwCg3TdCjB+QMmpuU9NuzPOxM7PZWnkAoNeA > wbCrwD9ebRr7bKpjPaefwaxi > =1TR6 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Sun Aug 29 02:21:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA00338 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:21:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29473; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:20:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29312; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29298; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:20:29 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-210.gate.net [207.36.212.210]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA450296; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:20:56 -0400 Message-ID: <37C8D11D.6F845AA1@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:20:14 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Seaman CC: "Chuck S." , tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Derek... you will probable find that the busted door is classified as used inflicted damage and the charge will most likely be more than you will want to spend, even though, i think those doors have a rubber hinge.. i suggest calling first.. Derek Seaman wrote: > I've had my 600E worked on twice. Once was for a defective LCD screen, and > the other for a dead HD. For the LCD screen, they replaced the whole screen, > and updated by BIOS (I guess I had an older one). For the HD they just > mailed me a new one within a few days, and then I mailed back the old one. > > No problems, no hassles, and very fast service. One of the doors on my > docking connector is busted, so I'll probably send it in when I'm home for a > few weeks. > > Derek -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Sun Aug 29 02:58:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA00374 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:58:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00757; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:58:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00679; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00665; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:58:03 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-210.gate.net [207.36.212.210]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA230156; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:58:31 -0400 Message-ID: <37C8D9ED.DE5BC398@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:57:49 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Dock II - 760CD References: <199908281226.HAA26377@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Allan.. Allan Ballard wrote: > My replacement Dock II seems to work just fine. What > a happy camper 'is me.' > > This is my first experience with a Dock, and, like wow, > it is a beautiful concept. > > If only I could budget a fancy stand-alone LCD monitor > for the Dock! > hang in there.. these are getting cheaper and cheaper.. > > A question: I don't know much about SCSI drives, but have > heard and read that they are significantly faster than IDE > drives. > depends upon the type of SCSI it supports.. i THINK this dock supports only the older 8 or 16bit scsi.. it would be better and cheaper to get a fast EIDE drive.. one that spins at 7200 RPM or the IBM one that is 10,000 RPM.. > > As my unit is an older p120 760CD (64 MB RAM), would use > of a scsi drive in the Dock improve performance to any > noticable degree? (At least enough to justify the additional > expense?) > depends upon how much you want to throw at a P-120 machine, in a P-III 550 world.. > > Thanks! > > Allan Ballard -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Sun Aug 29 03:20:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA00433 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:20:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07276; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:17:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06938; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06923; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:17:21 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-210.gate.net [207.36.212.210]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA329380; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:17:49 -0400 Message-ID: <37C8DE72.356C449B@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:17:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Chuck S." CC: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... References: <004501bef17f$1624be80$33edcdcf@thinkpad1721i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Gentlemen, EZ Serve was, at one time, the absolute best service center available for thinkpads.. this is when it was owned by IBM.. parts were pleantiful and service was lightening fast.. send in a machine that had been run over by a taxicab, and they would return a new machine.. i had it happen to me.. (okok, so it had NOT been run over, but it sure looked that way) then, IBM sold EZ serve off to some old insider IBM exec's who, i think, retired and decided to buy this service center and contract with IBM for serviceing thinkpads and other machines.. the result is, i think, from experience and comments by others, a vastly diminished service experience.. suddenly, a missing trackpoint cap is "User abuse" and thus will cost $1000 to repair.. anyone care to guess WHO gets to keep the $1k?? while my bet is that each thinkpad NOT abUSED by the customer, gets fixed at a flat rate.. one that allows for very little margin.. thus the tendency to huinger after the expensive repair jobs and see user abuse where none exists.. personally, i think this is about the worst thing IBM could have done.. give a profit motive to declare the repair to be user abuse when, in fact, it is either bad workmanship (as in the case of bubbling paint) or sudden infant death syndrome (in the case of a new machine dying suddenly due to component failure) or poor design (in the case of some flex PWB wearing out or a door falling off).. SO, if some hereabouts complain, they do so, most likely, because they recall those days of yesteryear, when ez-serve would ride to the aid of a thinkpad owner and rescue his machine from the clutches of that devil of all electronic devices, sudden failure..! :-) "Chuck S." wrote: > It's curious that TP owners either praise EZ-Serve or deplore it. I've got > to think that these extremes have less to do with EZ-Serve an more to do > with owners expectations of their warranty. With all due respect to A > Kumar, I find it hard to believe that one TP could have 15 problems due to > normal ware and tare or manufacture's defects. IBM makes a durable product, > that if treated carefully, should not need $1,000 of service during its > lifetime, even if it is used daily. > > Transmonde, who also made quality laptops, just went out of business due to > shrinking profit margins. TP's will probably be around for awhile, but IBM > cannot afford to give away services either. > > Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: A Kumar > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 11:41 PM > Subject: RE: Good Service from IBM... > > | > | The 600 have a 3 year warranty. > | > | I have to agree with Randal EZ-Serve is horrible. I just sent back my 600 > | with about 15 different problems. I use my ThinkPad on a daily bases and > it > | is impossible for me to send it back every time the paint chips or one of > | the doors come off. So when I finally do send it back I get a call from > | EZ-serve saying that I would have to pay $1000 for user damage. Issues > like > | a battery that refused to keep its charge(How in the world I could have > done > | that is beyond me). Anyway I refused to pay it got escalated and some lady > | told me she would give me a deal I would only have to pay $500! I kindly > | said no and again it was escalated this time I just called them every two > | hours directly and through IBM Tec support till they got so annoyed they > | agreed to 'cover the charge' even though all the problem were caused by > me. > | Later I found out that the reason everything was considered user damage > was > | because the clip on my CDROM broke. They assumed I broke it and therefore > | they reasoned I also broke everything else! Well I can assure you IBM is > | going to be hearing from me. And if my ThinkPad comes back half fixed > again > | they will be sorry(Grr has come back half fixed from them twice)! I can > be > | quite persistent when I want to be ;) > | > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] > | Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 12:18 PM > | To: David W. Taylor; TP List > | Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... > | > | > 15 months? Wasn't this well past its warranty date? You got >>>lucky! > | :-) > | > > | > I agree with you though--to an extent. Something like this enables IBM > to > | > show why its "worth it" to pay a premium for their neat little machines. > | > > | > But heaven help you if you have to send it in to EZ Serve, since they > | > contract that out to some other cheapskate company. First they'll > accuse > | > you of beating it up, then they'll send you an immense bill just for > | >looking at it, then they'll insist it will cost $1000 to replace a >door > | hinge. > | > > | > It wasn't like that 5 years ago. EZ Serve has really changed... > | > > | >- Randy Whittle > | > | -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Sun Aug 29 07:15:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA10282 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:15:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26239; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:14:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26109; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26095; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:14:11 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-079.usc.edu [128.125.223.79]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id EAA02613; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990829035557.02d624e0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:08:47 -0700 To: "Chuck S." , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... In-Reply-To: <004501bef17f$1624be80$33edcdcf@thinkpad1721i> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:59 PM 08/28/1999 -0500, you wrote: >It's curious that TP owners either praise EZ-Serve or deplore it. I've got >to think that these extremes have less to do with EZ-Serve an more to do >with owners expectations of their warranty. Or rather, many of us have been long-time ThinkPad owners and remember when we once sent in a TP for some type of service or another without being accused of abusing the machine. It was fixed cheerfully and quickly, and you didn't get a phone call telling you it was going to cost a lot of dough, nor that they were holding it hostage pending payment of their fee for diagnosis. It was the very essence of the service one should be able to expect for paying a huge premium over competing machines on the market. That's part of the reason I *buy* IBM over so many also-rans. > IBM makes a durable product, >that if treated carefully, should not need $1,000 of service during its >lifetime, even if it is used daily. Not in every case. I've had keyboards fail on me, batteries die well before their life was up, casings develop cracks (despite very gentle use), and TFT screens go on the fritz. Granted, that's 4 different ThinkPads over 5+ years, but its not as if every one of these things is perfect either. My first experience with EZServe was a joy--immediate, no questions asked (and neither should their have been--there wasn't anything fishy at all). That's one of the reasons I bought more TP's and kept coming back. Years later, my most recent experience...ultimately it turned out well, but not before I escalated it two levels. Prior to that, they were trying to charge me untold amounts of money for simple breakdowns that are fully covered under warranty. The TFT, for instance--they insisted that was my fault, yet after I had it escalated, they determined it was a faulty connector. It is asinine accusations like that--automatic assumption of user abuse--that is the problem. And it doesn't bode well for IBM, because previously loyal users like me are starting to look elsewhere when we realize the premium we pay doesn't buy us much anymore. You can't put a price on customer loyalty, but you *can* destroy it and find out just how much it really costs. - Randy Whittle From cph Sun Aug 29 11:14:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA10838 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:14:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03117; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:13:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02998; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh02.softhouse.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02984; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh02.softhouse.com (198.110.248.4 -> sh02.softhouse.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:13:10 -0400 Received: from markspc (dialup057.softhouse.com [207.74.44.57]) by sh02.softhouse.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA19811 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:13:07 -0400 From: "Mark Andrew" To: "'TP List'" Subject: Listserv instructions Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:01:19 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bef231$3cdba720$212c4acf@markspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990829035557.02d624e0@rcf.usc.edu> List-Unsubscribe: Could someone send the listserv instructions concerning digests, unsubscribing etc. Thanks, Mark From cph Sun Aug 29 11:58:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA11048 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:58:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04687; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:58:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04595; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail7.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04581; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail7.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.40 -> mail7.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:58:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 10654 invoked by uid 0); 29 Aug 1999 15:57:25 -0000 Received: from pppb19-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.91.78) by mail7.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 1999 15:57:25 -0000 Message-ID: <37C95905.34E523D3@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:00:05 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Hard drive fitness Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Extensive mechanical, electric, and magnetic testing of HDDs, plus an "exercise program" to test for intermittent problems is now available to "ThinkPadders": IBMDFT, ver. 1.46. Yesterday "IBM Storage" has made available their Drive Fitness Test to end users, naturally completely free for download (we've already paid for the microcode embedded in the Travelstar and similar drives): For descriptions and a white paper: http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/technolo/dft/dftnew.htm http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/technolo/dft/dft.htm For downloading the executable file and the manual: http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/welcome.htm JC == ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Sun Aug 29 13:19:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA11341 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:19:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08196; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:17:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07992; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07979; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:17:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA15726; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:17:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:17:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: russw@cpcug.org cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <37c9443c.31441906@cpcug.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 russw@cpcug.org wrote: > To unsubscribe, you must: mailto: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe> Have a nice day... Bruce Komar From cph Sun Aug 29 13:23:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA11364 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:23:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08743; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:22:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08621; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08607; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:22:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA15739; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:22:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:22:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Mark Andrew cc: "'TP List'" Subject: Re: Listserv instructions In-Reply-To: <000f01bef231$3cdba720$212c4acf@markspc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Mark Andrew wrote: > Could someone send the listserv instructions concerning digests, > unsubscribing etc. > I doubt that you'll get any. Unsubscribe info is in message headers, but unless you are aware of that, you probably won't know to look there. But here it is, to unsubscribe, you must: mailto: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe> Have a nice day... Bruce Komar From cph Sun Aug 29 14:19:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA11573 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:19:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10541; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:18:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10422; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10404; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:18:51 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.168]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990829181848.SPXN18791@dts-jl>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:18:48 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990829141825.00a10370@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:18:25 -0400 To: "Mark Andrew" , ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Listserv instructions In-Reply-To: <000f01bef231$3cdba720$212c4acf@markspc> References: <4.1.19990829035557.02d624e0@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:01 AM 8/29/99 -0400, Mark Andrew wrote: >Could someone send the listserv instructions concerning digests, >unsubscribing etc. > As requested... >ON Tue, 05 May 1998 22:13:55 -0100, Alexaner Wagner wrote: > >Ok, here's the note on gets after subscription. One may notice that under >Important (after note) in point 2. (un-)subscription is mentioned. I think >one should place it exactly after the wellcome, so one finds it. Do you know >who maintains the list? > >------------------------------------- > >Welcome to the ThinkPad mailing list! > >This list is for general discussion among IBM ThinkPad owners and users. > >This list is also available in a digest format, where you get one (large) >email message per day. If you want the digest format, send mail to >thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu and say so. > >(If you have a ThinkPad 500, you might want to subscribe to the ibm-tp500 >list in addition to, or instead of, this list. To do this, send mail to >Majordomo@andrsn.stanford.edu >with the line >subscribe ibm-tp500 your-email-address >in the message body.) > > >>> NOTE <<< > >In general, advertising of commercial products or services is prohibited on >this list. However, list members may post brief, one-time announcements of >new products, as long as those products are specifically related to >ThinkPad computers, and the announcement is free of hype. > > > >>> IMPORTANT <<< > >1. To send something to the list, mail it to THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU > >2. To subscribe to the list, unsubscribe from the list, or to change your >address, send mail to THINKPAD-REQUEST@CS.UTK.EDU. (If you sent your >subscribe message to the whole list, that's okay, but please use the >-REQUEST address next time!) > >3. When sending a message to the list about a particular kind of thinkpad, >put the model of that thinkpad in the Subject field. Example: > > Subject: [TP750] audio support for Linux? > >4. When replying to a message, look at the Subject field. If the >discussion topic has strayed so that the Subject field is no longer >appropriate, choose a new Subject. > > > >ThinkPad is almost certainly a trademark of IBM. > >The FAQ for this group is available for anonymous ftp from >swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu, directory pub/archive/thinkpad/faq >(URL: ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/faq/ ) >Thanks to Sean Chou for maintaining the FAQ. > >There's also an archive of the past traffic on the list in >ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/archive > >Please introduce yourself! Tell us what kind of machine you have, >how it's configured (how much memory/disk, what accessories, etc.), >and what operating system(s) you are using. (send this to the LIST >address -- if you reply to this message, it goes to the wrong place!) > > > > > > >-- > >CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 #294 >Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken >Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From cph Sun Aug 29 15:55:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA12102 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:55:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13612; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:54:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13440; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13427; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:54:05 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26766.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.247]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA25582 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e2101bef258$261a8a70$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: Subject: Re: Personal attacks (was: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions?) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:53:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: >Bill Morrow >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > >Wrote: > >I think carlos has a good command of english.. >i think he's just a child whose mother should have slapped him when he became >rude and mean, but did not, and thus created one more looser.. I wanted to give you the last word Bill, but you made such poor use of it that I decided to give you another opportunity. I really didn't want to continue this thread. I chose not to reply to several other posts in order to let this whole thing die down, but I am getting tired of being insulted. Most people may think you are a charitable person that donates advice out of mere goodwill. While there are people that fall into that category, you, however, do not. You use this forum (and others) as means to do business. Nothing wrong with giving free advice -- either via discussion forums or through a Web page -- to attract business. But when you become a wanna-be "know-it-all" and people lose sight that you have a vested interest in every piece of advice you give it becomes a dangerous thing. Some people may assume you are always right and follow your advice blindly. Therefore, if you make a blanket statement which sways people away from online auctions -- perhaps wishing they contacted you instead to purchase what they are looking for -- I am left with no choice but to challenge your statements. I certainly made my point regarding your hypocritical comments by providing proof that your assertions were not supported by your experiences at eBay. I do have a "good command of the English language". I suggest you look the word "looser" up in a dictionary. You may find that it would behoove you to use the word "loser" in such instances in the future. I will refrain from pointing out your other grammatical errors so that I may get on with my point. I believe your own reply speaks volumes about the "real Bill." I think it is in extremely poor taste to bring someone's mother into any discussion. Once more, I'll give you the opportunity to have the last word. Try to make good use of it and don't make a fool of yourself this time. As far as I am concerned this discussion is finished. If you however choose to reply, please refrain from making comments about my mother; I would really appreciate that. Carlos From cph Sun Aug 29 16:03:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA12139 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:03:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14287; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:02:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14094; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14080; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.1 -> dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:02:36 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA27876 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:02:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908292002.PAA27876@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ati-ga15-07.ix.netcom.com(207.95.119.135) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma027756; Sun Aug 29 15:02:11 1999 From: "Allan Ballard" To: "tp750@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:02:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.950) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... List-Unsubscribe: EZ serve tried to clip me for over 1K for a sound problem on my 760CD. It finally returned fine. Now - guess what. The 2nd week on the road and no sound, no modem either. Good thing I have a pc card modem as a backup to the DSP chip on the sound card. Those guys are IDIOTS. I would gladly pay someone local in Atlanta rather than deal with EZ serve, even though the unit remains under warrenty. They are almost as bad as Mindspring's ruination of Netcom. Allan Ballard On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:59:32 -0500, Chuck S. wrote: >It's curious that TP owners either praise EZ-Serve or deplore it. I've got >to think that these extremes have less to do with EZ-Serve an more to do >with owners expectations of their warranty. With all due respect to A >Kumar, I find it hard to believe that one TP could have 15 problems due to >normal ware and tare or manufacture's defects. IBM makes a durable product, >that if treated carefully, should not need $1,000 of service during its >lifetime, even if it is used daily. > >Transmonde, who also made quality laptops, just went out of business due to >shrinking profit margins. TP's will probably be around for awhile, but IBM >cannot afford to give away services either. > >Chuck > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: A Kumar >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 11:41 PM >Subject: RE: Good Service from IBM... > > >| >| The 600 have a 3 year warranty. >| >| I have to agree with Randal EZ-Serve is horrible. I just sent back my 600 >| with about 15 different problems. I use my ThinkPad on a daily bases and >it >| is impossible for me to send it back every time the paint chips or one of >| the doors come off. So when I finally do send it back I get a call from >| EZ-serve saying that I would have to pay $1000 for user damage. Issues >like >| a battery that refused to keep its charge(How in the world I could have >done >| that is beyond me). Anyway I refused to pay it got escalated and some lady >| told me she would give me a deal I would only have to pay $500! I kindly >| said no and again it was escalated this time I just called them every two >| hours directly and through IBM Tec support till they got so annoyed they >| agreed to 'cover the charge' even though all the problem were caused by >me. >| Later I found out that the reason everything was considered user damage >was >| because the clip on my CDROM broke. They assumed I broke it and therefore >| they reasoned I also broke everything else! Well I can assure you IBM is >| going to be hearing from me. And if my ThinkPad comes back half fixed >again >| they will be sorry(Grr has come back half fixed from them twice)! I can >be >| quite persistent when I want to be ;) >| >| -----Original Message----- >| From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] >| Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 12:18 PM >| To: David W. Taylor; TP List >| Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... >| >| > 15 months? Wasn't this well past its warranty date? You got >>>lucky! >| :-) >| > >| > I agree with you though--to an extent. Something like this enables IBM >to >| > show why its "worth it" to pay a premium for their neat little machines. >| > >| > But heaven help you if you have to send it in to EZ Serve, since they >| > contract that out to some other cheapskate company. First they'll >accuse >| > you of beating it up, then they'll send you an immense bill just for >| >looking at it, then they'll insist it will cost $1000 to replace a >door >| hinge. >| > >| > It wasn't like that 5 years ago. EZ Serve has really changed... >| > >| >- Randy Whittle >| >| > From cph Sun Aug 29 16:11:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA12173 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:11:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15047; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:10:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14909; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14889; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail9.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.42 -> mail9.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:10:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 6236 invoked by uid 0); 29 Aug 1999 20:09:55 -0000 Received: from pppb29-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.91.88) by mail9.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 1999 20:09:55 -0000 Message-ID: <37C99444.5BF598E9@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:12:52 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Listserv instructions References: <4.1.19990829035557.02d624e0@rcf.usc.edu> <3.0.1.32.19990829141825.00a10370@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > >ON Tue, 05 May 1998 22:13:55 -0100, Alexaner Wagner wrote: > > > >Ok, here's the note on gets after subscription. One may notice that under > >Important (after note) in point 2. (un-)subscription is mentioned. I think > >one should place it exactly after the wellcome, so one finds it. Do you know > >who maintains the list? Yes. > >------------------------------------- > > > >Welcome to the ThinkPad mailing list! > > > >This list is for general discussion among IBM ThinkPad owners and users. > > > >This list is also available in a digest format, where you get one (large) > >email message per day. If you want the digest format, send mail to > >thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu and say so. > > > >(If you have a ThinkPad 500, you might want to subscribe to the ibm-tp500 > >list in addition to, or instead of, this list. To do this, send mail to > >Majordomo@andrsn.stanford.edu > >with the line > >subscribe ibm-tp500 your-email-address > >in the message body.) > > > > >>> NOTE <<< > > > >In general, advertising of commercial products or services is prohibited on > >this list. However, list members may post brief, one-time announcements of > >new products, as long as those products are specifically related to > >ThinkPad computers, and the announcement is free of hype. > > > > > > >>> IMPORTANT <<< > > > >1. To send something to the list, mail it to THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU > > > >2. To subscribe to the list, unsubscribe from the list, or to change your > >address, send mail to THINKPAD-REQUEST@CS.UTK.EDU. (If you sent your > >subscribe message to the whole list, that's okay, but please use the > >-REQUEST address next time!) > > > >3. When sending a message to the list about a particular kind of thinkpad, > >put the model of that thinkpad in the Subject field. Example: > > > > Subject: [TP750] audio support for Linux? > > > >4. When replying to a message, look at the Subject field. If the > >discussion topic has strayed so that the Subject field is no longer > >appropriate, choose a new Subject. > > > > > > > >ThinkPad is almost certainly a trademark of IBM. > > > >The FAQ for this group is available for anonymous ftp from > >swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu, directory pub/archive/thinkpad/faq > >(URL: ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/faq/ ) > >Thanks to Sean Chou for maintaining the FAQ. > > > >There's also an archive of the past traffic on the list in > >ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/archive > > > >Please introduce yourself! Tell us what kind of machine you have, > >how it's configured (how much memory/disk, what accessories, etc.), > >and what operating system(s) you are using. (send this to the LIST > >address -- if you reply to this message, it goes to the wrong place!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 #294 > >Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken > >Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Sun Aug 29 16:14:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA12187 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:14:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15540; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:13:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15329; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15315; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.lax.netzero.net (209.247.162.41 -> mail8.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:13:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 22688 invoked by uid 0); 29 Aug 1999 20:13:03 -0000 Received: from pppb29-resaletucson1-2r1045.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.91.88) by mail8.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 1999 20:13:03 -0000 Message-ID: <37C994F9.CE2B7D33@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:15:53 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Listserv instructions References: <4.1.19990829035557.02d624e0@rcf.usc.edu> <3.0.1.32.19990829141825.00a10370@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > >ON Tue, 05 May 1998 22:13:55 -0100, Alexaner Wagner wrote: > >who maintains the list? Judi Theg Talley > >------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Sun Aug 29 16:48:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA12423 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:48:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17200; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:47:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17032; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17018; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.252.178 -> wya-lfd114.hotmail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:47:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 81237 invoked by uid 0); 29 Aug 1999 20:47:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19990829204708.81236.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 210.55.237.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:47:07 PDT X-Originating-IP: [210.55.237.83] From: "No-Particular Name" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: happiness and other thinkpad stuff.. Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:47:07 AZST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Dear Bill and Carlos. - And other users of the thinkpad list. How about you guys give each other an electronic handshake and stuff and "make up"? Don't use the list as a personal thing, its all about us nerds with thinkpads getting happy about snapping bits together just like Lego. Heck - that's what I use it for!! : ) (I still have my lego) I am trying to be light-hearted and facetious. Bill - don't get personal. Carlos - don't get personal. Me - don't get personal. thinkpad list - don't get personal. I mean - really. we can help each other out and stuff and that's cool. Heck - Carlos can probably sell us some pretty good stuff on E-bay or wherever and Bill can probably sell us some pretty good stuff straight from his house. I hope and trust that both of you are experts in your own right, honest buyers and sellers also. So why don't you guys apologise to each other and then get on with life? Sniff a rose. Eat some chocolate. Get happy all of a sudden. Don't waste time in getting nasty. ---End rant. Love yez all. Chickendude. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Sun Aug 29 16:56:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA12455 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:56:01 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17826; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:54:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17613; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from genome.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17600; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from genome.Stanford.EDU (171.65.76.124 -> genome.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:54:24 -0400 Received: from daisy.Stanford.EDU (daisy.Stanford.EDU [172.21.1.10]) by genome.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04089 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:54:22 -0700 (PDT) From: John Olyarchuk X-Sender: jgo@daisy.Stanford.EDU Reply-To: John Olyarchuk To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: How to disable 'Caps Lock' key? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I have a 770Z/NT. Despite the size, firmness, and travel of the keys, I find myself frequently hitting the Caps Lock key by mistake and this is very annoying. No other keys pose a similar problem because they don't lock (and the location of Caps Lock between the frequently used Shift and Tab keys where it is actuated by the small finger on my left hand - my least dexterous - makes it a prime target). In 6 months I have not *intentionally* used the Caps Lock key and would like to disable it either in hardware or software. Does anyone have suggestions on how to do this? Thanks, John ____________________________________________ John G. Olyarchuk, MD Postdoctoral Fellow, Genome Bioinformatics Departments of Biochemistry and Genetics Stanford University School of Medicine email: jgo@genome.stanford.edu From cph Sun Aug 29 19:05:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA13127 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:05:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21659; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:04:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21503; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21489; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.111 -> pilot011.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:04:29 -0400 Received: from andres (pm451-08.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.66]) by pilot011.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA24492 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:04:25 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990829190437.00a793f0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:04:37 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Something disturbing about Traverstar drives In-Reply-To: <19990829204708.81236.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: In looking at the IBM site on Travelstar drives, I noticed something that I found distrubing. In the product summary area for each disk that I looked at, there is a section called "drive usage conditions". These are the conditions that the drive should be operated under. Most of them are entirely reasonable, specifiying voltage conditions, etc. One part however disturbs me very much. Listed there is "The drive is operated within the specification of less than 140 power-on hours per month. Seeking, Writing and Reading operation of the drive should be no more than 20% of power-on hours". What? 140 hours of actual disk usage IN A MONTH? I don't know how the average user uses their ThinkPad, but thats about 4.5 of the disk spinning a day. If one uses their TP for just working hours, thats 8 to 10 hours a day of potential use. Granted, thats "power on" hours, but nowhere that I saw in my TP 1451 Series i documentation did I see a mention of this little fact. Obviously people will want to conserve their disk-on time when on batteries, but when attached to the AC mains, it isn't so obvious that the disks shouldn't be spinning. Even knowing about this now as I do, running software like a POP mail client that checks for mail every minute means that a significant amount of power-on time can be accumulated. Normally I leave this laptop connected to the net at all times. If I check for mail every minute and get mail during off peak times every 15 or so, that means I'm going to be spinning the disks about 12 minutes each hour. Of course a part of me wonders how serious IBM is about this disk usage. Has anyone seen this talked about in any TP literature? I haven't, but I'm going to go and look at my documentation again. Do other small disks have this kind of duty cycle associated with them? How long have travelstar drives been out? I must say, I'm not happy reading this. Using a TP for any kind of development work is going to eat up that 140 hours of power-on time. If folks think I'm out of line here, please tell me. You can look at the documentation by going to (http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/prod/travelstar.htm) --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu From cph Sun Aug 29 19:49:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA13342 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:49:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23317; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:48:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23153; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23139; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (159.199.101.3 -> orpheus.amdahl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:48:47 -0400 Received: from minerva.amdahl.com (minerva.amdahl.com [129.212.33.25]) by orpheus.amdahl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA28843; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m11LEgV-000463C; Sun, 29 Aug 99 16:48 PDT Received: from eng.amdahl.com by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id QAA14346; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eng.amdahl.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA27015; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:52:17 -0700 Message-ID: <19990829165215.03469@eng.amdahl.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:52:15 -0700 From: Serenella Ciongoli To: John Olyarchuk Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How to disable 'Caps Lock' key? References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from John Olyarchuk on Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 01:54:22PM -0700 List-Unsubscribe: John, There are a number of articles and programs available on the net on how to change keyboard layout in WinNT. Most of them concern exchanging the functions of the CapsLock and Ctrl keys, for compatility with Unix systems. I am attaching here the method I followed: it can also be used to just disable the CapsLock key. You can follow it if you are comfortable with altering the Registry, otherwise I suggest you search www.internals.com or simtel for other programs accomplishing similar functions. Serenella Ciongoli On Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 01:54:22PM -0700, John Olyarchuk wrote: > > I have a 770Z/NT. Despite the size, firmness, and travel of the keys, I > find myself frequently hitting the Caps Lock key by mistake and this is > very annoying. No other keys pose a similar problem because they don't > lock (and the location of Caps Lock between the frequently used Shift and > Tab keys where it is actuated by the small finger on my left hand - my > least dexterous - makes it a prime target). In 6 months I have not > *intentionally* used the Caps Lock key and would like to disable it either > in hardware or software. Does anyone have suggestions on how to do this? > From: "Chuck Bogorad" > To: "Steven R. Newcomb" , "gnu-win32" > Subject: Re: NT kernel keymap hack > Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:42:47 +0300 >Does anybody know of an NT kernel hack that switches the caps-lock key >with the control key (that lies under the shift key on most machines >these days)? I just can't adjust to the idea that the control key >should be so inaccessible. I'm an Emacs/bash bigot, and I like using >the control key a lot. Sure, enjoy (author is unknown). on my system, i totally disabled CAPS LOCK, so both keys act like CONTROL key. my system (caps -> ctrl) has this setting: 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 - 02 00 00 00 - 1d 00 3a 00 - 00 00 00 00 === cut === To the following key in your NT registry: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE \System \CurrentControlSet \Control \KeyBoard Layout add the value (i.e., NOT a key) "Scancode Map" The value must be a "binary" value, i.e., NOT a "string" value and NOT a "DWORD" value, although, purely for purposes of explanation, it is described below in terms of DWORDs. Scancode Map is a binary value that lets you map keystrokes in the low-level keyboard drivers in NT. As a result you don't have to worry about applications bypassing mappings that you've done at a higher level (i.e. it just works). Here's the format of the value: DWORD: 0x00000000 header DWORD: 0x00000000 header DWORD: length (in DWORDs) of remaining data, including terminating DWORD DWORD: mapping 1 ... DWORD: mapping n DWORD: 0x00000000 terminating null DWORD Each mapping DWORD has two parts: the input scancode, and an output scancode. To map scancode 0x1d (left control) to scancode 0x3a (caps lock), you want a value of 0x003a001d. Note that this does not swap the keys. Using just this mapping value, both the left control and the caps lock key will behave as caps-lock. To swap, you also need to map 0x3a to 0x1d, using 0x001d003a. So, the complete registry value you'd use to swap left-control and caps-lock is: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 00 00 00 1d 00 3a 00 3a 00 1d 00 00 00 00 00 This works on NT 4.0, I don't know about 3.51. This registry value is system wide, and can't be made user-specific. It also only takes affect on reboot. === cut === From cph Sun Aug 29 21:38:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA13822 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:38:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26786; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:36:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26636; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26622; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.109 -> pilot009.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:36:50 -0400 Received: from andres (pm456-28.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.86]) by pilot009.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA40012 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:36:47 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990829213704.00a713a0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:37:04 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... In-Reply-To: <199908292002.PAA27876@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I *hope* that someone within IBM listens in on this mailing list. For everyone who has had an attempted shaft by EZ Serve: I hope you have sent IBM blistering mail about your experiences. There are simply too many people who've described the same general problems for this not to be a real problem. If they do it with this small sample of TP users, they're doing it to lots of others too. IBM needs to be told this--perhaps hundreds of times. STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 04:02 PM 8/29/99 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: >EZ serve tried to clip me for over 1K for a sound problem >on my 760CD. > >It finally returned fine. > >Now - guess what. The 2nd week on the road and no sound, no >modem either. Good thing I have a pc card modem as a backup >to the DSP chip on the sound card. > >Those guys are IDIOTS. I would gladly pay someone local in >Atlanta rather than deal with EZ serve, even though the >unit remains under warrenty. > >They are almost as bad as Mindspring's ruination of Netcom. > >Allan Ballard > >On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:59:32 -0500, Chuck S. wrote: > >>It's curious that TP owners either praise EZ-Serve or deplore it. I've got >>to think that these extremes have less to do with EZ-Serve an more to do >>with owners expectations of their warranty. With all due respect to A >>Kumar, I find it hard to believe that one TP could have 15 problems due to >>normal ware and tare or manufacture's defects. IBM makes a durable product, >>that if treated carefully, should not need $1,000 of service during its >>lifetime, even if it is used daily. >> >>Transmonde, who also made quality laptops, just went out of business due to >>shrinking profit margins. TP's will probably be around for awhile, but IBM >>cannot afford to give away services either. >> >>Chuck >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: A Kumar >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 11:41 PM >>Subject: RE: Good Service from IBM... >> >> >>| >>| The 600 have a 3 year warranty. >>| >>| I have to agree with Randal EZ-Serve is horrible. I just sent back my 600 >>| with about 15 different problems. I use my ThinkPad on a daily bases and >>it >>| is impossible for me to send it back every time the paint chips or one of >>| the doors come off. So when I finally do send it back I get a call from >>| EZ-serve saying that I would have to pay $1000 for user damage. Issues >>like >>| a battery that refused to keep its charge(How in the world I could have >>done >>| that is beyond me). Anyway I refused to pay it got escalated and some lady >>| told me she would give me a deal I would only have to pay $500! I kindly >>| said no and again it was escalated this time I just called them every two >>| hours directly and through IBM Tec support till they got so annoyed they >>| agreed to 'cover the charge' even though all the problem were caused by >>me. >>| Later I found out that the reason everything was considered user damage >>was >>| because the clip on my CDROM broke. They assumed I broke it and therefore >>| they reasoned I also broke everything else! Well I can assure you IBM is >>| going to be hearing from me. And if my ThinkPad comes back half fixed >>again >>| they will be sorry(Grr has come back half fixed from them twice)! I can >>be >>| quite persistent when I want to be ;) >>| >>| -----Original Message----- >>| From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] >>| Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 12:18 PM >>| To: David W. Taylor; TP List >>| Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... >>| >>| > 15 months? Wasn't this well past its warranty date? You got >>>lucky! >>| :-) >>| > >>| > I agree with you though--to an extent. Something like this enables IBM >>to >>| > show why its "worth it" to pay a premium for their neat little machines. >>| > >>| > But heaven help you if you have to send it in to EZ Serve, since they >>| > contract that out to some other cheapskate company. First they'll >>accuse >>| > you of beating it up, then they'll send you an immense bill just for >>| >looking at it, then they'll insist it will cost $1000 to replace a >door >>| hinge. >>| > >>| > It wasn't like that 5 years ago. EZ Serve has really changed... >>| > >>| >- Randy Whittle >>| >>| >> > > > > > From cph Mon Aug 30 00:02:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA14245 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:02:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18154; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:00:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17755; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17741; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:00:07 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-472.gate.net [199.227.173.218]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA448436; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:00:33 -0400 Message-ID: <37CA01B5.AC45BD0D@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:59:49 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Olyarchuk CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How to disable 'Caps Lock' key? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John.. I have/had a utility i got from Ziff Net.. you know, Computer Shopper/PC Magazine, et al.. go to their web site and search for a remappiong applet.. not sure if it'll work under NT, but it sure worked fine under win95.. John Olyarchuk wrote: > Hi, > > I have a 770Z/NT. Despite the size, firmness, and travel of the keys, I > find myself frequently hitting the Caps Lock key by mistake and this is > very annoying. No other keys pose a similar problem because they don't > lock (and the location of Caps Lock between the frequently used Shift and > Tab keys where it is actuated by the small finger on my left hand - my > least dexterous - makes it a prime target). In 6 months I have not > *intentionally* used the Caps Lock key and would like to disable it either > in hardware or software. Does anyone have suggestions on how to do this? > > Thanks, > > John > > ____________________________________________ > John G. Olyarchuk, MD > Postdoctoral Fellow, Genome Bioinformatics > Departments of Biochemistry and Genetics > Stanford University School of Medicine > email: jgo@genome.stanford.edu -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Mon Aug 30 00:10:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA14284 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:10:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18879; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:10:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18781; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18711; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:09:57 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-472.gate.net [199.227.173.218]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA55598; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:10:23 -0400 Message-ID: <37CA0403.1BF0D5DE@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:09:39 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Something disturbing about Traverstar drives References: <3.0.6.32.19990829190437.00a793f0@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steve... 1. Current travelstar drives are WAY better than those manufacturered several years ago.. 2. I have ONE, very old, 340meg (yes, MegaBytes) notebook drive, running in one of my office computers in an office, 24/7 for at least the last 2 years... 3. I sell these things, as you know, and MOST of the few drives that have been returned for warranty, were mistreated.. that is dropped, crushed and the like.. (i can show you pictures, if you wish) 4. If you read further in the specs, you'll see the MTBF of either 300,000 hours or 500,000 hours.. of course, this is an interpolated time, since even the lower number yeilds ABOUT 34 years, and the entire industry has not been around that long (referring to small, winchester technology drives now) and PC's are only, what 20 years since the very first one..?! Personally, i would not loose too much sleep over this one, just do your backups and relax... :-) hard drives are SO CHEAP these days and so darn perfect that it continually amazes me..! you already know most of this anyway..! :-)) STeve Andre' wrote: > In looking at the IBM site on Travelstar drives, I noticed something > that I found distrubing. > > In the product summary area for each disk that I looked at, there > is a section called "drive usage conditions". These are the conditions > that the drive should be operated under. Most of them are entirely > reasonable, specifiying voltage conditions, etc. > > One part however disturbs me very much. Listed there is > > "The drive is operated within the specification of less than 140 > power-on hours per month. Seeking, Writing and Reading operation > of the drive should be no more than 20% of power-on hours". > > What? 140 hours of actual disk usage IN A MONTH? I don't know how > the average user uses their ThinkPad, but thats about 4.5 of the disk > spinning a day. If one uses their TP for just working hours, thats 8 > to 10 hours a day of potential use. > > Granted, thats "power on" hours, but nowhere that I saw in my TP > 1451 Series i documentation did I see a mention of this little fact. > Obviously people will want to conserve their disk-on time when on > batteries, but when attached to the AC mains, it isn't so obvious that > the disks shouldn't be spinning. > > Even knowing about this now as I do, running software like a POP > mail client that checks for mail every minute means that a significant > amount of power-on time can be accumulated. Normally I leave this > laptop connected to the net at all times. If I check for mail every > minute and get mail during off peak times every 15 or so, that means > I'm going to be spinning the disks about 12 minutes each hour. > > Of course a part of me wonders how serious IBM is about this disk > usage. Has anyone seen this talked about in any TP literature? I > haven't, but I'm going to go and look at my documentation again. > > Do other small disks have this kind of duty cycle associated with > them? > > How long have travelstar drives been out? > > I must say, I'm not happy reading this. Using a TP for any kind of > development work is going to eat up that 140 hours of power-on time. > If folks think I'm out of line here, please tell me. You can look at > the documentation by going to > > (http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/prod/travelstar.htm) > > --STeve Andre' > andres@pilot.msu.edu -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Mon Aug 30 00:13:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA14298 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:13:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19364; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:12:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19189; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19167; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:11:55 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-472.gate.net [199.227.173.218]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA219766; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:12:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37CA0467.FF30A1F@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:11:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard CC: "tp750@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... References: <199908292002.PAA27876@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Allan... call the help line and complain... enough user complaints will yeild change... AND, FWIW they treat insiders as bad, when working on that particular insiders machine.. Allan Ballard wrote: > EZ serve tried to clip me for over 1K for a sound problem > on my 760CD. > > It finally returned fine. > > Now - guess what. The 2nd week on the road and no sound, no > modem either. Good thing I have a pc card modem as a backup > to the DSP chip on the sound card. > > Those guys are IDIOTS. I would gladly pay someone local in > Atlanta rather than deal with EZ serve, even though the > unit remains under warrenty. > > They are almost as bad as Mindspring's ruination of Netcom. > > Allan Ballard > > On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:59:32 -0500, Chuck S. wrote: > > >It's curious that TP owners either praise EZ-Serve or deplore it. I've got > >to think that these extremes have less to do with EZ-Serve an more to do > >with owners expectations of their warranty. With all due respect to A > >Kumar, I find it hard to believe that one TP could have 15 problems due to > >normal ware and tare or manufacture's defects. IBM makes a durable product, > >that if treated carefully, should not need $1,000 of service during its > >lifetime, even if it is used daily. > > > >Transmonde, who also made quality laptops, just went out of business due to > >shrinking profit margins. TP's will probably be around for awhile, but IBM > >cannot afford to give away services either. > > > >Chuck > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: A Kumar > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 11:41 PM > >Subject: RE: Good Service from IBM... > > > > > >| > >| The 600 have a 3 year warranty. > >| > >| I have to agree with Randal EZ-Serve is horrible. I just sent back my 600 > >| with about 15 different problems. I use my ThinkPad on a daily bases and > >it > >| is impossible for me to send it back every time the paint chips or one of > >| the doors come off. So when I finally do send it back I get a call from > >| EZ-serve saying that I would have to pay $1000 for user damage. Issues > >like > >| a battery that refused to keep its charge(How in the world I could have > >done > >| that is beyond me). Anyway I refused to pay it got escalated and some lady > >| told me she would give me a deal I would only have to pay $500! I kindly > >| said no and again it was escalated this time I just called them every two > >| hours directly and through IBM Tec support till they got so annoyed they > >| agreed to 'cover the charge' even though all the problem were caused by > >me. > >| Later I found out that the reason everything was considered user damage > >was > >| because the clip on my CDROM broke. They assumed I broke it and therefore > >| they reasoned I also broke everything else! Well I can assure you IBM is > >| going to be hearing from me. And if my ThinkPad comes back half fixed > >again > >| they will be sorry(Grr has come back half fixed from them twice)! I can > >be > >| quite persistent when I want to be ;) > >| > >| -----Original Message----- > >| From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] > >| Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 12:18 PM > >| To: David W. Taylor; TP List > >| Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... > >| > >| > 15 months? Wasn't this well past its warranty date? You got >>>lucky! > >| :-) > >| > > >| > I agree with you though--to an extent. Something like this enables IBM > >to > >| > show why its "worth it" to pay a premium for their neat little machines. > >| > > >| > But heaven help you if you have to send it in to EZ Serve, since they > >| > contract that out to some other cheapskate company. First they'll > >accuse > >| > you of beating it up, then they'll send you an immense bill just for > >| >looking at it, then they'll insist it will cost $1000 to replace a >door > >| hinge. > >| > > >| > It wasn't like that 5 years ago. EZ Serve has really changed... > >| > > >| >- Randy Whittle > >| > >| > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Mon Aug 30 00:27:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA14353 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:27:38 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20550; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:26:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20400; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20387; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (24.2.10.66 -> ha1.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:26:34 -0400 Received: from motive ([24.113.83.69]) by mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <19990830042632.PBW9566.mail.rdc1.bc.home.com@motive> for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:26:32 -0700 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:26:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Macht Subject: RE: Good Service from IBM... To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: Jeff Macht Message-ID: <990829212633.5986AAD5F.jamacht@motive> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Severed: The spiral of hope, and the noose of the rope, and the draw of the blade X-Mailer: Eloquent[2.02]; Eloquent is a Trademark of Take 3 List-Unsubscribe: From: "Derek Seaman" > No problems, no hassles, and very fast service. One of the doors on my > docking connector is busted, so I'll probably send it in when I'm home for a > few weeks. I just sent mine in for exactly this problem, with reasonable turnaround - sent Monday and in my hands on Friday morning - but that's here in Canada. That's been the only problem so far, but i've had it less than five months. Unfortunately, the technician left the USB port cover off when reassembling the base and it most likely has to go back to EasyServ. That seriously bites. Jeff. -- Jeff Macht (jamacht@pobox.com) |"Dreams become reality when desire http://www.pobox.com/~jamacht/ | transforms them into concrete action", NeXT Mail, MIME accepted | Gus, from the film The Top of his Head. From cph Mon Aug 30 01:14:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA14465 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:14:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22216; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:13:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22048; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22035; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (128.113.100.7 -> mail1.its.rpi.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:13:51 -0400 Received: from jarjar (graveler-18.dynamic.rpi.edu [128.113.143.222]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA25666 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:13:49 -0400 From: "A Kumar" To: Subject: RE: Good Service from IBM... Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:13:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <004501bef17f$1624be80$33edcdcf@thinkpad1721i> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: The problems were mostly little things ie. battery life, port covers that were coming off. But there has always been a problem with my lcd fading its colors and pixels that get stuck and unstuck. Anyway without knowing what the problems were I don't think you are in any position to make assumptions about how they were caused. As for durability I take my machine with me every where and expect it to handle daily travel and almost 20/7 use. I paid a premium for my ThinkPad and expect to get every pennies worth. So before assuming you have any clue about my situation stop, think and remember assuming makes an ass out of u n me. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck S. [mailto:probepro@mindspring.com] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 2:00 PM To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... It's curious that TP owners either praise EZ-Serve or deplore it. I've got to think that these extremes have less to do with EZ-Serve an more to do with owners expectations of their warranty. With all due respect to A Kumar, I find it hard to believe that one TP could have 15 problems due to normal ware and tare or manufacture's defects. IBM makes a durable product, that if treated carefully, should not need $1,000 of service during its lifetime, even if it is used daily. Transmonde, who also made quality laptops, just went out of business due to shrinking profit margins. TP's will probably be around for awhile, but IBM cannot afford to give away services either. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: A Kumar To: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 11:41 PM Subject: RE: Good Service from IBM... | | The 600 have a 3 year warranty. | | I have to agree with Randal EZ-Serve is horrible. I just sent back my 600 | with about 15 different problems. I use my ThinkPad on a daily bases and it | is impossible for me to send it back every time the paint chips or one of | the doors come off. So when I finally do send it back I get a call from | EZ-serve saying that I would have to pay $1000 for user damage. Issues like | a battery that refused to keep its charge(How in the world I could have done | that is beyond me). Anyway I refused to pay it got escalated and some lady | told me she would give me a deal I would only have to pay $500! I kindly | said no and again it was escalated this time I just called them every two | hours directly and through IBM Tec support till they got so annoyed they | agreed to 'cover the charge' even though all the problem were caused by me. | Later I found out that the reason everything was considered user damage was | because the clip on my CDROM broke. They assumed I broke it and therefore | they reasoned I also broke everything else! Well I can assure you IBM is | going to be hearing from me. And if my ThinkPad comes back half fixed again | they will be sorry(Grr has come back half fixed from them twice)! I can be | quite persistent when I want to be ;) | | -----Original Message----- | From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] | Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 12:18 PM | To: David W. Taylor; TP List | Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... | | > 15 months? Wasn't this well past its warranty date? You got >>>lucky! | :-) | > | > I agree with you though--to an extent. Something like this enables IBM to | > show why its "worth it" to pay a premium for their neat little machines. | > | > But heaven help you if you have to send it in to EZ Serve, since they | > contract that out to some other cheapskate company. First they'll accuse | > you of beating it up, then they'll send you an immense bill just for | >looking at it, then they'll insist it will cost $1000 to replace a >door | hinge. | > | > It wasn't like that 5 years ago. EZ Serve has really changed... | > | >- Randy Whittle | | From cph Mon Aug 30 02:40:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA14662 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:40:29 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24860; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:37:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24698; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24676; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (24.113.61.37 -> cr634166-a.rct1.bc.wave.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:37:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (devel@localhost) by vip.psychonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA07980 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:37:07 -0700 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP360ce CPU upgrade Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: This is just to let everyone know that I was able to solder the AMD 5x86P75 upgrade into my ThinkPad 360ce. I have yet to change the bus from 25 to 33 Mhz so right now its running at 100 Mhz. As with the ThinkPad 755ce I upgraded it solders directly inplace of the original CPU, the only mod thats needed is to jumper pins 10&11. The CPU operates in write-through mode as it does under the 755ce. I haven't run any benchmarking software yet, the difference is so obvious it hardly seems needed(50 Mhz to 100 makes a huge difference under linux) For the people that can solder a 208 pin CPU comfortably I recommend the mod, for those who can't and still want more speed I recommend Maximum Upgrades (www.maxup.com) I've never had them upgrade anything for me but when the TP360ce didn't boot right after I soldered the CPU in Douglas >from Maximum Upgrades gave me a couple of suggestions and offered to trouble shoot the unit for a very reasonable price. Its obvious he knows the inside of the units and his business well. If anyone has any questions feel free to email... cheers, Steve PS if anyone has any old 486 ThinkPads they wanna sell cheap let me know, soldering the CPU's in and making useful linux boxes is too much fun... From cph Mon Aug 30 11:21:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA16494 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:21:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06254; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:16:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05764; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05644; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (199.0.65.247 -> mail-out-0.tiac.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:15:19 -0400 Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03633; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:15:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA06357; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:15:04 GMT Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:14:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'STeve Andre''" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Something disturbing about Traverstar drives Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:14:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" List-Unsubscribe: Wow. My ISP suggests checking for mail at 10 minute intervals (or more). They frown upon people checking every minute for mail. I bet the reason IBM made that statement is due to their testing. They did testing with those parameters (representing average usage) and are sure the drive can work under those conditions. The drive could work with heavier usage but some companies are hesitant about claiming things that can not be backed up with tests. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com WB1HBU -----Original Message----- From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@pilot.msu.edu] Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 6:05 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Something disturbing about Traverstar drives Even knowing about this now as I do, running software like a POP mail client that checks for mail every minute means that a significant amount of power-on time can be accumulated. Normally I leave this laptop connected to the net at all times. If I check for mail every minute and get mail during off peak times every 15 or so, that means I'm going to be spinning the disks about 12 minutes each hour. From cph Mon Aug 30 14:48:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17971 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:48:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23677; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:45:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23477; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front2.grolier.fr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23427; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front2.grolier.fr (194.158.96.52 -> front2.grolier.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:45:35 -0400 Received: from chri07 (ppp-175-165.velizy.club-internet.fr [195.36.175.165]) by front2.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id UAA22588 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:45:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002b01bef317$d53d14e0$a5af24c3@chri07> From: "Christophe Majewski" To: Subject: Thinkpad IR mobile phone connextion Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:45:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01BEF328.976E9240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BEF328.976E9240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Look for Thinkpad 240 owners opinion about Infrared IR connection with = mobile phones ex.Ericsson 888 to work on the net. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BEF328.976E9240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BEF328.976E9240-- From cph Mon Aug 30 15:35:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA18233 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:35:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26918; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:32:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26762; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26734; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:32:07 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA28867 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:31:59 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000e01bef31e$570d2400$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: Subject: Re: Something disturbing about Traverstar drives Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:32:03 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > Wow. My ISP suggests checking for mail at 10 minute intervals (or > more). They frown upon people checking every minute for mail. Yes, but they don't have the best interests of your hard drive at heart! I would guess that most drives do better powered up 24/7 than they would under frequent power up/power down cycles. Reported MTBF is quite an interesting statistic, having little to do with actual mean time between failure. Instead, it is usually just the maximum likelihood estimator for the parameter of a poisson distribution, even though a homogeneous poisson model is not really correct for drive failures. (I often use this as an example for my students in statistics courses.) - David R. From cph Mon Aug 30 15:45:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA18313 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:45:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28183; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:42:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28055; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28035; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.105 -> pilot005.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:42:29 -0400 Received: from andres (pm561-01.dialip.mich.net [35.9.49.203]) by pilot005.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA41168 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:42:26 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990830154238.00a74390@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:42:38 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Something disturbing about Traverstar drives In-Reply-To: <000e01bef31e$570d2400$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Yes, I agree that MTBF are an "interesting" statistic, and I now believe them not at all. I help maintain cyberspace.org, a computer conferencing system, and we've gone through two high quality HP SCSI disks after about 25,000 hours of continuous use. The figures stated these days are longer than the life of the entire computer industry, and I've learned not to believe them. However, IBM came up with some spefific numbers, 140 hours a month and 20% duty cycle, which means they were doing something. I think I'm going to write to IBM and ask about this. If anyone knows of a specific address to send a question like this to, please let me know? I'll wait a day or so and see if anyone can come up with something. STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 09:32 AM 8/30/99 -1000, David Ross wrote: >> Wow. My ISP suggests checking for mail at 10 minute intervals (or >> more). They frown upon people checking every minute for mail. > >Yes, but they don't have the best interests of your hard drive at heart! I would guess that >most drives do better powered up 24/7 than they would under frequent power up/power down cycles. > >Reported MTBF is quite an interesting statistic, having little to do with actual mean time between failure. >Instead, it is usually just the maximum likelihood estimator for the parameter of a poisson >distribution, even though a homogeneous poisson model is not really correct for drive failures. >(I often use this as an example for my students in statistics courses.) > >- David R. From cph Mon Aug 30 17:35:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA19060 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:35:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05058; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:27:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04862; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04830; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:27:08 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA29666; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:27:01 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003301bef32e$698c4c40$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "STeve Andre'" References: <3.0.6.32.19990830154238.00a74390@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Something disturbing about Traverstar drives Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:27:06 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > However, IBM came up with some spefific numbers, 140 hours a month and 20% > duty > cycle, which means they were doing something. I think I'm going to write > to IBM > and ask about this. If anyone knows of a specific address to send a > question like > this to, please let me know? storage@us.ibm.com is the address they give at their storage website. My guess would be that they give these numbers to 'calibrate' the MTBF, i.e., they compiled the data which then became the MTBF under testing conditions commensurate with these conditions. (If true, then this is better than what some HD companies used to do, namely run the sample drives continuously until failure - which stresses them less). >we've gone through two high quality HP SCSI disks after about 25,000 hours >of continuous use Were these from the same batch? Sometimes whole batches of drives (or anything else!) have subtly different characteristics than the batch used for determining the specs - in which case HP *should* make allowances (as WD did a couple of years ago for their faulty batch of 1 gig Caviars) - David From cph Mon Aug 30 17:49:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA19194 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:49:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06576; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:48:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06501; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06488; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.117 -> pilot017.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:47:57 -0400 Received: from andres (pm561-01.dialip.mich.net [35.9.49.203]) by pilot017.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA13350 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:47:53 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990830174807.00a774e0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:48:07 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Something disturbing about Traverstar drives In-Reply-To: <003301bef32e$698c4c40$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.19990830154238.00a74390@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Thank you David for the address. Such a simple thing, really. And would have gone past me. I will write them. As for the disks, nope, they were two seperate model runs completely, and we blew out a Micropolis 2G in this manner, as well. The purpose of this disk was being the home directory for about 10,000 accounts, with 24/7 activity, always. Each of the three disks ran flawlessly right up until about the last 30 hours of life, when they started emmiting a piteous squealing sound. After the first death, we've become adept at recognizing the Sound of Emminent Death and do emergency backups and change disks. I just don't think that any of the modeling strategies for predicting disk life work, when dealing with a really intense application like cyberspace.org's. This has translated into a general distrust of disk life expectations, and when I saw the "140 power-on hours per month" I became even more alarmed. We'll see what IBM says. STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 11:27 AM 8/30/99 -1000, David Ross wrote: >> However, IBM came up with some spefific numbers, 140 hours a month and 20% >> duty >> cycle, which means they were doing something. I think I'm going to write >> to IBM >> and ask about this. If anyone knows of a specific address to send a >> question like >> this to, please let me know? > >storage@us.ibm.com is the address they give at their storage website. My guess would be that they >give these numbers to 'calibrate' the MTBF, i.e., they compiled the data which then became the MTBF >under testing conditions commensurate with these conditions. (If true, then this is better than >what some HD companies used to do, namely run the sample drives continuously until failure - >which stresses them less). > >>we've gone through two high quality HP SCSI disks after about 25,000 hours >>of continuous use > >Were these from the same batch? Sometimes whole batches of drives (or anything else!) have subtly different characteristics than >the batch used for determining the specs - in which case HP *should* >make allowances (as WD did a couple of years ago for their faulty batch of 1 gig Caviars) > >- David > > > From cph Mon Aug 30 18:32:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA19462 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:32:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09030; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:29:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08824; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from head-cfa.harvard.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08805; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from head-cfa.harvard.edu (131.142.41.8 -> head-cfa.harvard.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:29:30 -0400 Received: from head-cfa.harvard.edu (encore [131.142.41.229]) by head-cfa.harvard.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA15663; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908302229.SAA15663@head-cfa.harvard.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: tom@act.ca cc: obc@cycling.org, power-assist@cyclery.com, chainguard@cyclery.com, labmembers@cycling.org, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Touring Digest Subject: Re: [LAB] (Fwd) Re: [OM] ...rechargeables... -Reply In-reply-to: Message from "Tom Trottier" of "Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:02:59 -0400." <19990829040304Z324678-982+27@mail.on.rogers.wave.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:29:06 -0400 From: Douglas Kline List-Unsubscribe: > ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > Date sent: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:34:26 -0400 > From: Scott Nelson > To: olympus@zuiko.sls.bc.ca > Subject: Re: [OM] ...rechargeables... -Reply > Send reply to: olympus@zuiko.sls.bc.ca > > Anyone looking for a good non-single word technical discussion of the relativ e > merits of rechargables might try: > > http://www.antonbauer.com/tech/handbook.html What exactly is "a good non-single word technical discussion" or, for that matter, "a bad non-single word technical discussion"? Douglas ======== Douglas Kline kline@head-cfa.harvard.edu From cph Mon Aug 30 18:48:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA19575 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:48:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10160; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:46:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10012; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09997; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.112 -> pilot012.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:46:35 -0400 Received: from andres (pm561-01.dialip.mich.net [35.9.49.203]) by pilot012.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA43152; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:46:16 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990830184627.00a79070@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:46:27 -0400 To: Douglas Kline , tom@act.ca From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: [LAB] (Fwd) Re: [OM] ...rechargeables... -Reply Cc: obc@cycling.org, power-assist@cyclery.com, chainguard@cyclery.com, labmembers@cycling.org, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Touring Digest In-Reply-To: <199908302229.SAA15663@head-cfa.harvard.edu> References: <19990829040304Z324678-982+27@mail.on.rogers.wave.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for asking--I forgot to catch the url for this, and I'm very glad you posted this. I must say, after reading this for 15 minutes, this has got to be the single most intelligent discussion on NiCd batteries I have ever seen. Wow. So I think the poster meant "good intelligent technical discussion". Believe me, I've endured lots of the bad kind over the years. This is most refreshing to see. If you are the type who likes to read about technical things, this document is really excellent. I need to pass this out in ham-radio circles. --STeve Andre' (WB8WSF) andres@pilot.msu.edu At 06:29 PM 8/30/99 -0400, Douglas Kline wrote: ... >> >> Anyone looking for a good non-single word technical discussion of the relativ >e >> merits of rechargables might try: >> >> http://www.antonbauer.com/tech/handbook.html > >What exactly is "a good non-single word technical discussion" or, for that >matter, "a bad non-single word technical discussion"? > >Douglas From cph Mon Aug 30 22:20:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA20745 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:20:30 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18912; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:17:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18752; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rfacil.redfacil.com.uy (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18666; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rfacil.redfacil.com.uy (200.40.3.194 -> mail.redfacil.com.uy) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:16:24 -0400 Received: from bqlzpsrt ([200.40.2.25]) by rfacil.redfacil.com.uy (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.2 (693.3 8-11-1998)) with SMTP id 032567DE.000B9F17; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:06:56 -0300 From: "H" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: How to reduce MIC Input level ? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:15:57 -0300 Message-ID: <000001bef356$c2e24ba0$190228c8@bqlzpsrt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Hi to all ! I am recording my music LP into my 770ED to copy them later to CD. I use Goldwave for that and then the HP Surestore software to burn it. But the audio level I get through the MIC input jack is to high and I can not reduce it more (it is already at the minimum). I then have to reduce the level using Goldwave. Any ideas ? Thanks in advance. ***************************************************************** Harry Teszler hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 harryt@redfacil.com.uy Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. ***************************************************************** From cph Mon Aug 30 23:04:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA20898 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:04:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21253; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:02:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21160; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21127; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (207.69.200.82 -> smtp5.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:02:34 -0400 Received: from thinkpad1721i (pool-207-205-236-106.dlls.grid.net [207.205.236.106]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA14114 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005001bef35d$2e216080$6aeccdcf@thinkpad1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: References: Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:01:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: The problem with e-mail is that the reader doesn't have the benefit of body language or voice inflections, so it is easy to misinterpret the senders intentions. I don't know if A. Kumar abused his laptop or not, but I certainly apologize if he was offended. Someone stated earlier there was a time when a TP could darn near be run over by a cab an EZServe would fix it, no questions asked. IBM simply cannot do that in today's market place and be profitable. TP's are not cheap, but they are competitively priced with Dell, Gateway and Compaq laptops. How many times have we closed our laptops without grabbing the screen with two hands or in the middle so that we wouldn't put undue stress on the hinges? Or how often have we bumped our TP's while the disk drive platters were spinning at 4,000 plus RPM with the heads floating a few microns above them? Portable computers do get more abuse than desktops, which is why we need to treat them gingerly, and minimize the cost to us and to IBM. It just makes good sense. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: A Kumar To: Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 12:13 AM Subject: RE: Good Service from IBM... | The problems were mostly little things ie. battery life, port covers that | were coming off. But there has always been a problem with my lcd fading its | colors and pixels that get stuck and unstuck. Anyway without knowing what | the problems were I don't think you are in any position to make assumptions | about how they were caused. As for durability I take my machine with me | every where and expect it to handle daily travel and almost 20/7 use. I | paid a premium for my ThinkPad and expect to get every pennies worth. So | before assuming you have any clue about my situation stop, think and | remember assuming makes an ass out of u n me. | | | -----Original Message----- | From: Chuck S. [mailto:probepro@mindspring.com] | Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 2:00 PM | To: tp750@cs.utk.edu | Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... | | | It's curious that TP owners either praise EZ-Serve or deplore it. I've got | to think that these extremes have less to do with EZ-Serve an more to do | with owners expectations of their warranty. With all due respect to A | Kumar, I find it hard to believe that one TP could have 15 problems due to | normal ware and tare or manufacture's defects. IBM makes a durable product, | that if treated carefully, should not need $1,000 of service during its | lifetime, even if it is used daily. | | Transmonde, who also made quality laptops, just went out of business due to | shrinking profit margins. TP's will probably be around for awhile, but IBM | cannot afford to give away services either. | | Chuck | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: A Kumar | To: | Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 11:41 PM | Subject: RE: Good Service from IBM... | | | | | | The 600 have a 3 year warranty. | | | | I have to agree with Randal EZ-Serve is horrible. I just sent back my 600 | | with about 15 different problems. I use my ThinkPad on a daily bases and | it | | is impossible for me to send it back every time the paint chips or one of | | the doors come off. So when I finally do send it back I get a call from | | EZ-serve saying that I would have to pay $1000 for user damage. Issues | like | | a battery that refused to keep its charge(How in the world I could have | done | | that is beyond me). Anyway I refused to pay it got escalated and some lady | | told me she would give me a deal I would only have to pay $500! I kindly | | said no and again it was escalated this time I just called them every two | | hours directly and through IBM Tec support till they got so annoyed they | | agreed to 'cover the charge' even though all the problem were caused by | me. | | Later I found out that the reason everything was considered user damage | was | | because the clip on my CDROM broke. They assumed I broke it and therefore | | they reasoned I also broke everything else! Well I can assure you IBM is | | going to be hearing from me. And if my ThinkPad comes back half fixed | again | | they will be sorry(Grr has come back half fixed from them twice)! I can | be | | quite persistent when I want to be ;) | | | | -----Original Message----- | | From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] | | Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 12:18 PM | | To: David W. Taylor; TP List | | Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... | | | | > 15 months? Wasn't this well past its warranty date? You got >>>lucky! | | :-) | | > | | > I agree with you though--to an extent. Something like this enables IBM | to | | > show why its "worth it" to pay a premium for their neat little machines. | | > | | > But heaven help you if you have to send it in to EZ Serve, since they | | > contract that out to some other cheapskate company. First they'll | accuse | | > you of beating it up, then they'll send you an immense bill just for | | >looking at it, then they'll insist it will cost $1000 to replace a >door | | hinge. | | > | | > It wasn't like that 5 years ago. EZ Serve has really changed... | | > | | >- Randy Whittle | | | | | | | From cph Mon Aug 30 23:20:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA20946 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:20:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22155; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:17:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22056; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22042; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:17:47 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.19.169]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990831031744.WBQZ15925@770>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:17:44 +0000 Message-ID: <37CB48AA.2E77@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:14:50 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Chuck S." CC: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... References: <005001bef35d$2e216080$6aeccdcf@thinkpad1721i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: NO NO NO Warranty is warranty. No one says they should cover a dropped and cracked screen, but if a motherboard is toast, this is not the user fault. IF the DSP card goes bad, how is that the users fault? If they make a solid product, they will cut theor serive costs! On the same topic, I recently bought a Compaq Armada 1750, mainly for it's ATI RAGE PRO video card! After one week, the CD-ROM is giving me trouble, and the floppy drive frequently gives me the old "floppy disk is not formatted" error. Both will go back for replacement. This is not the way for a computer compant to save money on service. And I already bought the three year warranty extension, for $88.00 And yes, the Armada warranty is transferrable! Anyone want to buy a very slightly used 770ED? Chuck S. wrote: > > The problem with e-mail is that the reader doesn't have the benefit of body > language or voice inflections, so it is easy to misinterpret the senders > intentions. I don't know if A. Kumar abused his laptop or not, but I > certainly apologize if he was offended. > > Someone stated earlier there was a time when a TP could darn near be run > over by a cab an EZServe would fix it, no questions asked. IBM simply > cannot do that in today's market place and be profitable. TP's are not > cheap, but they are competitively priced with Dell, Gateway and Compaq > laptops. > > How many times have we closed our laptops without grabbing the screen with > two hands or in the middle so that we wouldn't put undue stress on the > hinges? Or how often have we bumped our TP's while the disk drive platters > were spinning at 4,000 plus RPM with the heads floating a few microns above > them? Portable computers do get more abuse than desktops, which is why we > need to treat them gingerly, and minimize the cost to us and to IBM. It just > makes good sense. > > Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: A Kumar > To: > Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 12:13 AM > Subject: RE: Good Service from IBM... > > | The problems were mostly little things ie. battery life, port covers that > | were coming off. But there has always been a problem with my lcd fading > its > | colors and pixels that get stuck and unstuck. Anyway without knowing what > | the problems were I don't think you are in any position to make > assumptions > | about how they were caused. As for durability I take my machine with me > | every where and expect it to handle daily travel and almost 20/7 use. I > | paid a premium for my ThinkPad and expect to get every pennies worth. So > | before assuming you have any clue about my situation stop, think and > | remember assuming makes an ass out of u n me. > | > | > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Chuck S. [mailto:probepro@mindspring.com] > | Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 2:00 PM > | To: tp750@cs.utk.edu > | Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... > | > | > | It's curious that TP owners either praise EZ-Serve or deplore it. I've > got > | to think that these extremes have less to do with EZ-Serve an more to do > | with owners expectations of their warranty. With all due respect to A > | Kumar, I find it hard to believe that one TP could have 15 problems due to > | normal ware and tare or manufacture's defects. IBM makes a durable > product, > | that if treated carefully, should not need $1,000 of service during its > | lifetime, even if it is used daily. > | > | Transmonde, who also made quality laptops, just went out of business due > to > | shrinking profit margins. TP's will probably be around for awhile, but > IBM > | cannot afford to give away services either. > | > | Chuck > | > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: A Kumar > | To: > | Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 11:41 PM > | Subject: RE: Good Service from IBM... > | > | > | | > | | The 600 have a 3 year warranty. > | | > | | I have to agree with Randal EZ-Serve is horrible. I just sent back my > 600 > | | with about 15 different problems. I use my ThinkPad on a daily bases and > | it > | | is impossible for me to send it back every time the paint chips or one > of > | | the doors come off. So when I finally do send it back I get a call from > | | EZ-serve saying that I would have to pay $1000 for user damage. Issues > | like > | | a battery that refused to keep its charge(How in the world I could have > | done > | | that is beyond me). Anyway I refused to pay it got escalated and some > lady > | | told me she would give me a deal I would only have to pay $500! I > kindly > | | said no and again it was escalated this time I just called them every > two > | | hours directly and through IBM Tec support till they got so annoyed they > | | agreed to 'cover the charge' even though all the problem were caused by > | me. > | | Later I found out that the reason everything was considered user damage > | was > | | because the clip on my CDROM broke. They assumed I broke it and > therefore > | | they reasoned I also broke everything else! Well I can assure you IBM > is > | | going to be hearing from me. And if my ThinkPad comes back half fixed > | again > | | they will be sorry(Grr has come back half fixed from them twice)! I can > | be > | | quite persistent when I want to be ;) > | | > | | -----Original Message----- > | | From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] > | | Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 12:18 PM > | | To: David W. Taylor; TP List > | | Subject: Re: Good Service from IBM... > | | > | | > 15 months? Wasn't this well past its warranty date? You got > >>>lucky! > | | :-) > | | > > | | > I agree with you though--to an extent. Something like this enables > IBM > | to > | | > show why its "worth it" to pay a premium for their neat little > machines. > | | > > | | > But heaven help you if you have to send it in to EZ Serve, since they > | | > contract that out to some other cheapskate company. First they'll > | accuse > | | > you of beating it up, then they'll send you an immense bill just for > | | >looking at it, then they'll insist it will cost $1000 to replace a > >door > | | hinge. > | | > > | | > It wasn't like that 5 years ago. EZ Serve has really changed... > | | > > | | >- Randy Whittle > | | > | | > | > | > | From cph Mon Aug 30 23:31:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA20976 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:31:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23110; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:29:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22945; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rfacil.redfacil.com.uy (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22900; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rfacil.redfacil.com.uy (200.40.3.194 -> mail.redfacil.com.uy) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:28:04 -0400 Received: from bqlzpsrt ([200.40.2.25]) by rfacil.redfacil.com.uy (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.2 (693.3 8-11-1998)) with SMTP id 032567DE.00122714; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:18:18 -0300 From: "H" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: How to reduce MIC Input level ? Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:27:16 -0300 Message-ID: <000001bef360$b960ee60$190228c8@bqlzpsrt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Boost is already turned off. ***************************************************************** Harry Teszler hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 harryt@redfacil.com.uy Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. ***************************************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: J. Williams [mailto:williams@u.washington.edu] > Sent: lunes 30 de agosto de 1999 23:33 > To: H > Subject: Re: How to reduce MIC Input level ? > > > Go to microphone advanced and turn off boost > > John > > On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, H wrote: > > > Hi to all ! > > > > I am recording my music LP into my 770ED to copy them later to > > CD. I use Goldwave for that and then the HP Surestore software > to burn it. > > > > But the audio level I get through the MIC input jack is to high > and I can > > not > > reduce it more (it is already at the minimum). > > > > I then have to reduce the level using Goldwave. > > > > Any ideas ? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > ***************************************************************** > > Harry Teszler > > > > hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ#10971865 > > harryt@redfacil.com.uy > > > > Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 > > +598 2 2003996 > > > > Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. > > ***************************************************************** > > > > > From cph Tue Aug 31 02:47:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA21994 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:47:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28828; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:44:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28709; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Prime-FE2.lvcablemodem.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28695; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Prime-FE2.lvcablemodem.com (24.234.0.11 -> prime-fe2.lvcablemodem.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:44:48 -0400 Received: from prime-fe2.lvcablemodem.com - 24.234.0.11 by lvcablemodem.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:51:46 -0700 Received: from aelpha (dhcp117.6.lvcm.com [24.234.6.117]) by prime-fe2.lvcablemodem.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:51:46 -0700 Message-ID: <003501bef37c$38281dc0$7506ea18@lvcablemodem.com> From: "Frank Myres III" To: References: <3.0.6.32.19990824091717.007ea3e0@mail.wineasy.se> Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:44:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Unsubscribe From cph Tue Aug 31 04:01:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA22229 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 04:01:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10819; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:57:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10627; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from olsmail1.att.net.hk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10608; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from olsmail1.att.net.hk (202.77.253.46 -> olsmail1.att.net.hk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:57:17 -0400 Received: from steve (ppp5-64.att.net.hk [202.77.162.64]) by olsmail1.att.net.hk (8.8.8/AT&T-EasyLink-AP) with SMTP id PAA27170; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:47:07 +0800 (HKT) Reply-To: From: "Steve Wong" To: "'Christophe Majewski'" , Subject: RE: Thinkpad IR mobile phone connextion Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:39:12 +0800 Message-ID: <000401bef386$557bda60$40a24dca@steve> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEF3C9.639F1A60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <002b01bef317$d53d14e0$a5af24c3@chri07> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEF3C9.639F1A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a 390 using Infrared IR connection with SH888. It's a slow link though. DOne it on Win 98 and NT. If you need any info just drop me a mail. Cheers, Steve -----Original Message----- From: Christophe Majewski [mailto:chri07@club-internet.fr] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 2:45 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad IR mobile phone connextion Look for Thinkpad 240 owners opinion about Infrared IR connection with mobile phones ex.Ericsson 888 to work on the net. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEF3C9.639F1A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have=20 a 390 using Infrared IR connection with SH888. It's a slow link though. = DOne it=20 on Win 98 and NT.
 
If you=20 need any info just drop me a mail.
 
Cheers,
 
Steve
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From: Christophe = Majewski=20 [mailto:chri07@club-internet.fr]
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Subject: Thinkpad IR = mobile=20 phone connextion

Look for Thinkpad 240 owners opinion about = Infrared IR=20 connection with mobile phones ex.Ericsson 888 to work on the=20 net.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEF3C9.639F1A60-- From cph Tue Aug 31 06:01:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA22467 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:01:10 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20315; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 05:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 05:58:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20139; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 05:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20126; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 05:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 05:58:48 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA04608 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:58:42 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002101bef397$6ce7e2a0$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Cheap IBM pcmcia cdrom spotted Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:58:48 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Right now I'm a bit hesitant to make any posts here about anything commercial, lest someone take it personally and insult my dog, but... I just saw ran across 8-20x IBM pcmcia cdroms for sale for $99 at http://www.compgeeks.com I own the wonderful 4x version (also with the cool flying saucer case), might myself upgrade to the faster one if I can find a decent use for my old one (and if the faster ones don't sell out before I make up my mind). Compgeeks used to sell stuff at the onsale.com auction site for a few dollars less, if you like such things. - David R. (no affiliations whatsoever with compgeeks, onsale, ibm,...) From cph Tue Aug 31 08:22:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA22902 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:22:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26101; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:20:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25978; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25964; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:20:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA17256; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:20:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:20:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Frank Myres III cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <003501bef37c$38281dc0$7506ea18@lvcablemodem.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Frank Myres III wrote: > Unsubscribe > In order to List-Unsubscribe: mailto:thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe Have a nice day... Bruce Komar From cph Tue Aug 31 12:42:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA24379 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:42:57 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14550; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:38:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14339; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14312; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (128.113.100.7 -> mail1.its.rpi.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:38:50 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (charmeleon-22.dynamic.rpi.edu [128.113.141.156]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA31772 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:38:47 -0400 From: "A Kumar" To: Subject: RE: Good Service from IBM... Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:42:25 -0400 Message-ID: <010a01bef373$9b04bc40$9c8d7180@thinkpad.dynamic.rpi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37CB48AA.2E77@worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: Well I just got my ThinkPad back from EZserve and guess what! They left off one of the port doors, a screw cover and it looks like they dropped it from 8 feet in the air. The back left corner is all scratched up and the vent is broken. On top of that the hinge for the LCD screen wasn't put back correctly so there is a large gap at the back of my computer when the LCD is closed. This is not acceptable after they forced me to jump through all their loops. I called about the cover and IBM is sending me a new one but I just noticed the other problems I'll have to call them again when I get back. Ohh man will they get an ear full from me! The back left corner is in such bad shape! From cph Tue Aug 31 13:36:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA24744 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:36:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18500; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:33:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18328; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18300; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.2 -> dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:33:22 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA02773; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:33:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca39-08.ix.netcom.com(207.92.173.8) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002612; Tue Aug 31 12:32:06 1999 Message-ID: <37CC1168.56E88BBF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:31:21 -0700 From: Kenneth Rosenblatt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Cheap IBM pcmcia cdrom spotted--it's a used drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm a bit concerned about buying this drive because it's used and only comes with a 90-day warranty. (Look at the bottom of the left column of their product description.) I'm also hesitant because you have to go to some trouble to find that disclaimer. The discount ($99 v. around $270) is certainly significant, but I just don't know about buying a used CD-ROM drive. Has anyone had experience buying used CD-ROM drives? Kenneth Rosenblatt David Ross wrote (in pertinent part): I just saw ran across 8-20x IBM pcmcia cdroms for sale for $99 at http://www.compgeeks.com I own the wonderful 4x version (also with the cool flying saucer case), might myself upgrade to the faster one if I can find a decent use for my old one (and if the faster ones don't sell out before I make up my mind). Compgeeks used to sell stuff at the onsale.com auction site for a few dollars less, if you like such things. From cph Tue Aug 31 15:07:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA25441 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:07:54 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27594; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:05:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27394; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27360; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:05:12 -0400 Received: from loop.com (p24.hwts20.loop.net [207.211.63.213]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA15066 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37CC286F.D8411AC6@loop.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:09:38 -0700 From: Paul Khoury X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP701 Battery Reset program Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Just for all who were wondering, I was digging through my archives and found this link for the battery reset program that was talked about a while back. http://www.innernet.net/jlk/main/files/index.html Regards, Paul pkhoury@loop.com From cph Tue Aug 31 15:16:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA25521 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:16:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28290; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:09:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28165; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28151; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:09:44 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p24.hwts20.loop.net [207.211.63.213]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA15423 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908311908.MAA15423@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 29 Aug 99 12:07:55 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP701 - 32MB memory? List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know a good place to get the 32MB upgrade for the 701? I've been looking around the other night, and the price seems to have went up. Thanks, Paul From cph Tue Aug 31 17:16:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA26319 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:16:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06687; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:13:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06480; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06457; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:13:10 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA07852; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:13:00 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002c01bef3f5$9f2b3a60$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Kenneth Rosenblatt" , "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" References: <37CC1168.56E88BBF@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Cheap IBM pcmcia cdrom spotted--it's a used drive Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:13:05 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Ken asked: > I'm a bit concerned about buying this drive because it's used and only > comes with a 90-day warranty. [...snip...] >Has anyone had experience buying used CD-ROM drives? I *believe* they are refurbed, not just used - at least, compgeeks usually sells refurbed and remaindered products - I'm kind of curious where *they* got them, assuming they have several (they usually say 'almost gone' on few-offs). The concern is a good one. I bought my 4x refurbed a couple of years ago and it still works great (I don't use it all that often, mainly for software installation, but it *has* traveled quite a bit). However, CD-Roms do go out of alignment in time - for example, the CD in my Micron laptop recently stopped working (and replacements not readily available:-( BTW, if you haven't seen one close up, these drives are pretty nice - very sturdy, very thin (I often slip mine alongside my TP560 in the form-fitting Wetsuit case). >(Look at the bottom of the left column of > their product description.) I'm also hesitant because you have to go to > some trouble to find that disclaimer. Compgeeks is kind of annoying, but reasonably trustworthy. I've ordered from the several times, all but once there were minor glitches, but each time things finally came out to my satisfaction. I don't think they are trying to hide anything! ***Special Note to the zillion people who asked what I'd want for my old CD: While I'd gladly pay, say, $50 to magically transform my current drive to the faster one, I'm a little leery of working a swap deal, mainly because my drive *is* old, and I'd really hate to stick anyone on this list with something that lasts only a year. Also, because I live in Hawaii, the shipping of the new drive to me, and that of my old drive to someone off-island, would eat up a fair hunk of the price differential. But, if I do buy a new one I'll let you all have first crack at the old:-) - David R. From cph Tue Aug 31 17:31:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA26433 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:31:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07816; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:29:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07644; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07631; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:28:57 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-314.gate.net [199.227.173.60]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA128600; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:29:22 -0400 Message-ID: <37CC4907.CF9324A5@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:28:39 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kenneth Rosenblatt CC: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Cheap IBM pcmcia cdrom spotted--it's a used drive References: <37CC1168.56E88BBF@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have seen compugeeks selling on onsale.com if this item works for 90 days, then it should work for much longer.. OTH, be sure there is some sort of money back for DOA items... pay with your credit card.. :-) Kenneth Rosenblatt wrote: > I'm a bit concerned about buying this drive because it's used and only > comes with a 90-day warranty. (Look at the bottom of the left column of > their product description.) I'm also hesitant because you have to go to > some trouble to find that disclaimer. The discount ($99 v. around $270) > is certainly significant, but I just don't know about buying a used > CD-ROM drive. > > Has anyone had experience buying used CD-ROM drives? > > Kenneth Rosenblatt > > David Ross wrote (in pertinent part): > > I just saw ran across 8-20x IBM pcmcia cdroms for sale for $99 at > http://www.compgeeks.com I own the wonderful 4x version (also with the > cool flying saucer case), might myself upgrade to the faster one if I > can find a decent use for my old one (and if the faster ones don't sell > out before I make up my mind). > > Compgeeks used to sell stuff at the onsale.com auction site for a few > dollars less, if you like such things. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph Tue Aug 31 17:35:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA26455 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:35:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08433; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:31:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08114; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08059; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:31:25 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-314.gate.net [199.227.173.60]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA42366; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:31:45 -0400 Message-ID: <37CC4996.47790006@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:31:02 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carlos de la Puente CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Personal attacks (was: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions?) References: <1e2101bef258$261a8a70$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D0E25972CFD17CB81A904351" List-Unsubscribe: --------------D0E25972CFD17CB81A904351 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carlos... Thank you for this one last word.. you are entirely wrong in every point that you made, with the obvious exception of spelling errors and other mistyped thoughts.. in regard to E-Bay, i will only refer you and all others to this particular item: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150978232 which i feel adequately shows the reasons for my concerns... i truly do care for my customers and others who are not so wise in the ways of on-line fraud and when asked, i will give the same opinion, about e-bay... it is obvious also, that there are good and honest sellers and buyers using e-bay as a conduit, but all should be aware that there are those who are not honest... "methinks thou dost protesteth too much" Carlos de la Puente wrote: > >Bill Morrow > >WEB page http://thinkpads.com > >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > >Wrote: > > > >I think carlos has a good command of english.. > >i think he's just a child whose mother should have slapped him when he > became > >rude and mean, but did not, and thus created one more looser.. > > I wanted to give you the last word Bill, but you made such poor use of it > that I decided to give you another opportunity. > > I really didn't want to continue this thread. I chose not to reply to > several other posts in order to let this whole thing die down, but I am > getting tired of being insulted. > > Most people may think you are a charitable person that donates advice out of > mere goodwill. While there are people that fall into that category, you, > however, do not. You use this forum (and others) as means to do business. > > Nothing wrong with giving free advice -- either via discussion forums or > through a Web page -- to attract business. But when you become a wanna-be > "know-it-all" and people lose sight that you have a vested interest in every > piece of advice you give it becomes a dangerous thing. Some people may > assume you are always right and follow your advice blindly. > > Therefore, if you make a blanket statement which sways people away from > online auctions -- perhaps wishing they contacted you instead to purchase > what they are looking for -- I am left with no choice but to challenge your > statements. I certainly made my point regarding your hypocritical comments > by providing proof that your assertions were not supported by your > experiences at eBay. > > I do have a "good command of the English language". I suggest you look the > word "looser" up in a dictionary. You may find that it would behoove you to > use the word "loser" in such instances in the future. I will refrain from > pointing out your other grammatical errors so that I may get on with my > point. > > I believe your own reply speaks volumes about the "real Bill." I think it is > in extremely poor taste to bring someone's mother into any discussion. > > Once more, I'll give you the opportunity to have the last word. Try to make > good use of it and don't make a fool of yourself this time. As far as I am > concerned this discussion is finished. > > If you however choose to reply, please refrain from making comments about my > mother; I would really appreciate that. > > Carlos -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------D0E25972CFD17CB81A904351 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carlos...
Thank you for this one last word..
you are entirely wrong in every point that you made, with the obvious exception of spelling errors and other mistyped thoughts..

in regard to E-Bay, i will only refer you and all others to this particular item:
 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150978232
which i feel adequately shows the reasons for my concerns...

i truly do care for my customers and others who are not so wise in the ways of on-line fraud and when asked, i will give the same opinion, about e-bay...

it is obvious also, that there are good and honest sellers and buyers using e-bay as a conduit, but all should be aware that there are those who are not honest...

"methinks thou dost protesteth too much"

Carlos de la Puente wrote:

>Bill Morrow
>WEB page http://thinkpads.com
>Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
>Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop
>e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net
>
>Wrote:
>
>I think carlos has a good command of english..
>i think he's just a child whose mother should have slapped him when he
became
>rude and mean, but did not, and thus created one more looser..

I wanted to give you the last word Bill, but you made such poor use of it
that I decided to give you another opportunity.

I really didn't want to continue this thread. I chose not to reply to
several other posts in order to let this whole thing die down, but I am
getting tired of being insulted.

Most people may think you are a charitable person that donates advice out of
mere goodwill. While there are people that fall into that category, you,
however, do not. You use this forum (and others) as means to do business.

Nothing wrong with giving free advice -- either via discussion forums or
through a Web page -- to attract business. But when you become a wanna-be
"know-it-all" and people lose sight that you have a vested interest in every
piece of advice you give it becomes a dangerous thing. Some people may
assume you are always right and follow your advice blindly.

Therefore, if you make a blanket statement which sways people away from
online auctions -- perhaps wishing they contacted you instead to purchase
what they are looking for -- I am left with no choice but to challenge your
statements. I certainly made my point regarding your hypocritical comments
by providing proof that your assertions were not supported by your
experiences at eBay.

I do have a "good command of the English language". I suggest you look the
word "looser" up in a dictionary. You may find that it would behoove you to
use the word "loser" in such instances in the future. I will refrain from
pointing out your other grammatical errors so that I may get on with my
point.

I believe your own reply speaks volumes about the "real Bill." I think it is
in extremely poor taste to bring someone's mother into any discussion.

Once more, I'll give you the opportunity to have the last word. Try to make
good use of it and don't make a fool of yourself this time. As far as I am
concerned this discussion is finished.

If you however choose to reply, please refrain from making comments about my
mother; I would really appreciate that.

Carlos

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net
770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------D0E25972CFD17CB81A904351-- From cph Tue Aug 31 18:05:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA26648 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:05:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10901; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:03:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10767; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10753; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:03:27 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA07919; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:03:21 -0700 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "David Ross" , "Kenneth Rosenblatt" , "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Cheap IBM pcmcia cdrom spotted Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:11:02 -0700 Message-ID: <01bef3fd$b67a5ae0$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: I just ordered one through Onsale . $99 net . Does anyone know if a "point enabler " thingie is available for this beast . It's a very small program that sets the registers of the PCMCIA chipset so that the device is visible to DOS. Many times one does not want to load Card and Socket services . Ugh... BTW the exact same Drive is available from several other vendors . They quote a 1 year warranty on this refurbed item. Hmmm. Again, thank you David for sharing this info with us. Peter Machule Subject: Re: Cheap IBM pcmcia cdrom spotted--it's a used drive From cph Tue Aug 31 18:48:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA26944 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:48:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13426; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:46:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13265; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13252; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:46:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.73 -> imo29.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:46:06 -0400 Received: from Rous56@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id oSFJa01988 (4390) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1248ca0a.24fdb3c9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:40:09 EDT Subject: 755CSE parts To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 List-Unsubscribe: I am in desperate need of a new ribbon cable that goes from the main board to the screen. I cannot find a source for the ribbon without the screen. Does anyone have a 755cse that can be parted out? Thanks for all replies. From cph Tue Aug 31 19:11:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA27109 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:11:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14960; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:09:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14867; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14854; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:09:53 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.53.229]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990831230913.GNWM24199@770>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:09:13 +0000 Message-ID: <37CC5FEC.7FA@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:06:20 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: Carlos de la Puente , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Personal attacks (was: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions?) References: <1e2101bef258$261a8a70$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> <37CC4996.47790006@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: That one's kinda obvious, don't you think! Seems to me he is manipulating the bids with several false registrations. Of course, you can mail him to purchase one outright for $600 Don't worry, he will be before the Judge soon enough. They ALWAYS get caught. Bill Morrow wrote: > > Carlos... > Thank you for this one last word.. > you are entirely wrong in every point that you made, with the obvious > exception of spelling errors and other mistyped thoughts.. > > in regard to E-Bay, i will only refer you and all others to this > particular item: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150978232 > which i feel adequately shows the reasons for my concerns... > > i truly do care for my customers and others who are not so wise in the > ways of on-line fraud and when asked, i will give the same opinion, > about e-bay... > > it is obvious also, that there are good and honest sellers and buyers > using e-bay as a conduit, but all should be aware that there are those > who are not honest... > > "methinks thou dost protesteth too much" > > Carlos de la Puente wrote: > > >Bill Morrow > >WEB page http://thinkpads.com > >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > >Wrote: > > > >I think carlos has a good command of english.. > >i think he's just a child whose mother should have slapped > him when he > became > >rude and mean, but did not, and thus created one more > looser.. > > I wanted to give you the last word Bill, but you made such > poor use of it > that I decided to give you another opportunity. > > I really didn't want to continue this thread. I chose not to > reply to > several other posts in order to let this whole thing die > down, but I am > getting tired of being insulted. > > Most people may think you are a charitable person that > donates advice out of > mere goodwill. While there are people that fall into that > category, you, > however, do not. You use this forum (and others) as means to > do business. > > Nothing wrong with giving free advice -- either via > discussion forums or > through a Web page -- to attract business. But when you > become a wanna-be > "know-it-all" and people lose sight that you have a vested > interest in every > piece of advice you give it becomes a dangerous thing. Some > people may > assume you are always right and follow your advice blindly. > > Therefore, if you make a blanket statement which sways > people away from > online auctions -- perhaps wishing they contacted you > instead to purchase > what they are looking for -- I am left with no choice but to > challenge your > statements. I certainly made my point regarding your > hypocritical comments > by providing proof that your assertions were not supported > by your > experiences at eBay. > > I do have a "good command of the English language". I > suggest you look the > word "looser" up in a dictionary. You may find that it would > behoove you to > use the word "loser" in such instances in the future. I will > refrain from > pointing out your other grammatical errors so that I may get > on with my > point. > > I believe your own reply speaks volumes about the "real > Bill." I think it is > in extremely poor taste to bring someone's mother into any > discussion. > > Once more, I'll give you the opportunity to have the last > word. Try to make > good use of it and don't make a fool of yourself this time. > As far as I am > concerned this discussion is finished. > > If you however choose to reply, please refrain from making > comments about my > mother; I would really appreciate that. > > Carlos > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage > will vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > From cph Tue Aug 31 19:31:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA27259 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:31:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16320; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:29:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16190; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16170; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.116 -> pilot016.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:29:45 -0400 Received: from andres (pm529-34.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.186]) by pilot016.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA32976 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:29:41 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990831192941.00a8d900@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:29:41 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 755CSE parts In-Reply-To: <1248ca0a.24fdb3c9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: You'll need to know the original part number, but take a look at http://bluestarusa.com -- they may well have what you want. Have you tried IBM, as well? I have no idea what their stocking policies are for older equipment. Lastly, I'd ask about this part in comp.sys.laptops (I think thats the right group). STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 06:40 PM 8/31/1999 EDT, Rous56@aol.com wrote: >I am in desperate need of a new ribbon cable that goes from the main board to >the screen. I cannot find a source for the ribbon without the screen. Does >anyone have a 755cse that can be parted out? Thanks for all replies. > > From cph Tue Aug 31 19:34:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA27277 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:34:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16887; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:31:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08846; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08473; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:33:23 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-314.gate.net [199.227.173.60]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA50808 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:33:52 -0400 Message-ID: <37CC4A15.1AECC698@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:33:09 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Example of Fraud on e-bay Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9C2D2600A749292F894F812F" List-Unsubscribe: --------------9C2D2600A749292F894F812F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you who are tired of reading the e-bay flame series, here is something to ponder.. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150978232 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------9C2D2600A749292F894F812F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you who are tired of reading the e-bay flame series, here is something to ponder..
 

 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150978232
 

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net
770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------9C2D2600A749292F894F812F-- From cph Tue Aug 31 19:37:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA27294 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:37:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09014; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:32:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08231; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08131; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:31:41 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-314.gate.net [199.227.173.60]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA162606; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:32:09 -0400 Message-ID: <37CC49AF.59FD6B78@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:31:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carlos de la Puente CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Personal attacks (was: Re: going rate for 560 & 701 at auctions?) References: <1e2101bef258$261a8a70$f756e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2D30EF7D7D8D27EE4F792957" List-Unsubscribe: --------------2D30EF7D7D8D27EE4F792957 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carlos... Thank you for this one last word.. you are entirely wrong in every point that you made, with the obvious exception of spelling errors and other mistyped thoughts.. in regard to E-Bay, i will only refer you and all others to this particular item: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150978232 which i feel adequately shows the reasons for my concerns... i truly do care for my customers and others who are not so wise in the ways of on-line fraud and when asked, i will give the same opinion, about e-bay... it is obvious also, that there are good and honest sellers and buyers using e-bay as a conduit, but all should be aware that there are those who are not honest... "methinks thou dost protesteth too much" Carlos de la Puente wrote: > >Bill Morrow > >WEB page http://thinkpads.com > >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > >Wrote: > > > >I think carlos has a good command of english.. > >i think he's just a child whose mother should have slapped him when he > became > >rude and mean, but did not, and thus created one more looser.. > > I wanted to give you the last word Bill, but you made such poor use of it > that I decided to give you another opportunity. > > I really didn't want to continue this thread. I chose not to reply to > several other posts in order to let this whole thing die down, but I am > getting tired of being insulted. > > Most people may think you are a charitable person that donates advice out of > mere goodwill. While there are people that fall into that category, you, > however, do not. You use this forum (and others) as means to do business. > > Nothing wrong with giving free advice -- either via discussion forums or > through a Web page -- to attract business. But when you become a wanna-be > "know-it-all" and people lose sight that you have a vested interest in every > piece of advice you give it becomes a dangerous thing. Some people may > assume you are always right and follow your advice blindly. > > Therefore, if you make a blanket statement which sways people away from > online auctions -- perhaps wishing they contacted you instead to purchase > what they are looking for -- I am left with no choice but to challenge your > statements. I certainly made my point regarding your hypocritical comments > by providing proof that your assertions were not supported by your > experiences at eBay. > > I do have a "good command of the English language". I suggest you look the > word "looser" up in a dictionary. You may find that it would behoove you to > use the word "loser" in such instances in the future. I will refrain from > pointing out your other grammatical errors so that I may get on with my > point. > > I believe your own reply speaks volumes about the "real Bill." I think it is > in extremely poor taste to bring someone's mother into any discussion. > > Once more, I'll give you the opportunity to have the last word. Try to make > good use of it and don't make a fool of yourself this time. As far as I am > concerned this discussion is finished. > > If you however choose to reply, please refrain from making comments about my > mother; I would really appreciate that. > > Carlos -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------2D30EF7D7D8D27EE4F792957 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carlos...
Thank you for this one last word..
you are entirely wrong in every point that you made, with the obvious exception of spelling errors and other mistyped thoughts..

in regard to E-Bay, i will only refer you and all others to this particular item:
 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150978232
which i feel adequately shows the reasons for my concerns...

i truly do care for my customers and others who are not so wise in the ways of on-line fraud and when asked, i will give the same opinion, about e-bay...

it is obvious also, that there are good and honest sellers and buyers using e-bay as a conduit, but all should be aware that there are those who are not honest...

"methinks thou dost protesteth too much"

Carlos de la Puente wrote:

>Bill Morrow
>WEB page http://thinkpads.com
>Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
>Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop
>e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net
>
>Wrote:
>
>I think carlos has a good command of english..
>i think he's just a child whose mother should have slapped him when he
became
>rude and mean, but did not, and thus created one more looser..

I wanted to give you the last word Bill, but you made such poor use of it
that I decided to give you another opportunity.

I really didn't want to continue this thread. I chose not to reply to
several other posts in order to let this whole thing die down, but I am
getting tired of being insulted.

Most people may think you are a charitable person that donates advice out of
mere goodwill. While there are people that fall into that category, you,
however, do not. You use this forum (and others) as means to do business.

Nothing wrong with giving free advice -- either via discussion forums or
through a Web page -- to attract business. But when you become a wanna-be
"know-it-all" and people lose sight that you have a vested interest in every
piece of advice you give it becomes a dangerous thing. Some people may
assume you are always right and follow your advice blindly.

Therefore, if you make a blanket statement which sways people away from
online auctions -- perhaps wishing they contacted you instead to purchase
what they are looking for -- I am left with no choice but to challenge your
statements. I certainly made my point regarding your hypocritical comments
by providing proof that your assertions were not supported by your
experiences at eBay.

I do have a "good command of the English language". I suggest you look the
word "looser" up in a dictionary. You may find that it would behoove you to
use the word "loser" in such instances in the future. I will refrain from
pointing out your other grammatical errors so that I may get on with my
point.

I believe your own reply speaks volumes about the "real Bill." I think it is
in extremely poor taste to bring someone's mother into any discussion.

Once more, I'll give you the opportunity to have the last word. Try to make
good use of it and don't make a fool of yourself this time. As far as I am
concerned this discussion is finished.

If you however choose to reply, please refrain from making comments about my
mother; I would really appreciate that.

Carlos

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net
770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------2D30EF7D7D8D27EE4F792957-- From cph Tue Aug 31 19:59:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA27432 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:59:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18458; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:57:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18343; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18322; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:57:11 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-186.usc.edu [128.125.223.186]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id QAA08188; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990831164445.00cd81c0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:48:48 -0700 To: Bill Morrow , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay In-Reply-To: <37CC4A15.1AECC698@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:33 PM 08/31/1999 -0400, you wrote: > > For those of you who are tired of reading the e-bay flame series, here is > something to ponder.. > > > > http://c > gi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150978232 I admit Bill, that when I see someone with a "0" feedback rating and a note at the bottom saying you can buy any one of these outright for $600 (perhaps it was a typo--maybe he meant $6000?), that I have cause to pause and wonder (and the bidding itself is indeed up to $5,200. Other than your suspicion though, how can you say this is necessarily an example of "fraud" on eBay? If these things really aren't legit, I would be more inclined to suggest that the items might be stolen. Which would be theft, not fraud. ;-) - Randy Whittle From cph Tue Aug 31 20:04:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA27460 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:04:49 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19223; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:02:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19131; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19114; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:02:35 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA09159 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:02:29 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002d01bef40d$4d6b9180$0237a8c0@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" References: <01bef3fd$b67a5ae0$03785a8e@pmachule> Subject: Re: Cheap IBM pcmcia cdrom spotted Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:02:35 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > Does anyone know if a "point enabler " thingie is available for this beast Unlikely - I never found one for my 4x. > BTW the exact same Drive is available from several other vendors . I wonder where they're all coming from? I can imagine that they might have some trouble selling them, insofar as the magazines in th Ziff-Davis hegemony have never included these drives in the head-to-head reviews (against the Panasonic, Sony, EXP et al). However, I've always been very impressed with the solidity and and slim elegance of mine. > thank you David for sharing this info with us. Glad to do it. BTW, I've just been upgrading one of our desktops, and shopping around for bits and pieces, which is how I ran across this. In the process I've also seen some other (maybe less exciting) possible deals for TP owners, though I'm reluctant to post for fear of annoying the list. (I know some people on the list like to limit it to technical discussion, and I'm sympathetic because these commercial threads can get out of hand,) Do we have some kind of policy about this kind of thing? Ought we? - David From cph Tue Aug 31 20:17:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA27547 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:17:22 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20424; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:13:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20160; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20130; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.109 -> pilot009.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:13:26 -0400 Received: from andres (pm529-34.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.186]) by pilot009.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA46380 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:13:18 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990831201335.00a917a0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:13:35 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990831164445.00cd81c0@rcf.usc.edu> References: <37CC4A15.1AECC698@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I think Bill means "fraud" in the more general sense of something that is not right. Wether this "seller" would actually honor $600 TP600's isn't quite the point; its that this person is out there and selling these at such a price, at all. I have no problems with his hunch about this being a shady deal. I can only think of once case of an "unbelievable" cheap deal in electronics that wasn't some sort of fraud (being stupidity) in all my years of buying stuff. So yes, there is fraud on Ebay, just as in life. As in all things there will be the good and bad, the honest and the dishonest. The net mirrors life, thats all. I think its time to put this subject to bed now. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu ... > I admit Bill, that when I see someone with a "0" feedback rating and a >note at the bottom saying you can buy any one of these outright for $600 >(perhaps it was a typo--maybe he meant $6000?), that I have cause to pause and >wonder (and the bidding itself is indeed up to $5,200. > > Other than your suspicion though, how can you say this is >necessarily an >example of "fraud" on eBay? > > If these things really aren't legit, I would be more inclined to >suggest >that the items might be stolen. Which would be theft, not fraud. ;-) > >- Randy Whittle From cph Tue Aug 31 20:27:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA27660 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:27:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21282; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:26:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21203; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21189; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:26:22 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA09412; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:26:18 -0700 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "David Ross" , "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Cheap IBM pcmcia cdrom spotted Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:33:58 -0700 Message-ID: <01bef411$ae4f3340$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: If you are aware of a "good deal " for TP owners ; POST it ! Most of us are not on infinite expense accounts and can use any deal there is. Mind you , anyone can use www.shopper.com so we should keep it to the unique , surprising, special, etc.. type offers that we find. Peter Machule I think virtually all post about "deals" have been good. >In the process I've also seen some other (maybe less exciting) > possible deals for TP owners, though I'm reluctant to > post for fear of annoying the list. >I know some people on the list like to limit it to technical discussion, > and I'm sympathetic because these commercial threads can get out of >hand,) Do we have some kind of policy about this kind of thing? Ought we? > >- David >