From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 10:57:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA19116 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13699; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:54:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13482; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13469; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (144.92.108.61 -> ssec.wisc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:54:39 -0400 Received: from mail.ssec.wisc.edu (mail.ssec.wisc.edu [144.92.108.227]) by ssec.wisc.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA39037 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:54:34 -0500 Received: by mail.ssec.wisc.edu with ADMIN;1 Jun 1999 09:52:15 -0600 Message-ID: <3753F94C.50DFF870@ssec.wisc.edu> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 10:16:30 -0500 From: Paul Schnettler Reply-To: paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu Organization: UW-Space Science & Engineering Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad reply Subject: VMware on Thinkpad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Any Linux guru's out there have VMware running under Linux on a thinkpad? A friend has redhat 6.0 on his toshiba PII-330 and is running Win98 in a virtual VMware session. I didn't get a chance to really give it a workout but I was impressed at the ability to wrangle with the word and excel docs without having to dump out of my linux session. Paul Schnettler From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 11:17:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA19318 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15445; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:14:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15294; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cavecreations.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15280; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cavecreations.com (192.41.27.30 -> cavecreations.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:14:30 -0400 Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id JAA29634; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:14:20 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:14:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199906011514.JAA29634@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: VMware on Thinkpad List-Unsubscribe: VMware is pretty cool... I ran it briefly on my Thinkpad 600E, and ran all the betas (haven't bothered to purchase the final version yet) on my work machine (Dell PII-450). Does it work? Yes, and it works extremely well. With network bridging enabled, you can run Internet apps in the Windows applications while simultaneously running apps in Linux. It is NOT like Wine at all. You actually do boot Win98, and run native Win98 apps within Win98. Does it have downsides? Quite a few. First, it's CPU intensive... my Windowmaker CPU monitor peaks out at near 100% when Win98 boots (I booted off an existing Win98 partition). Second, booting for the very first time is a 30 minute process -- Win98 has to redetect all new devices (VMware creates a bunch of virtual devices which allow it to share ports with Linux -- Win98 sees them as new devices). You may have to reboot after the first round. Third, booting in general is painfully slow. Once it's booted, however, it seems to run acceptably fast -- ie. on a P2-450, it felt like a P166 in the Win98. Make sure you have enough memory though. -Al > Any Linux guru's out there have VMware running under Linux on a > thinkpad? > A friend has redhat 6.0 on his toshiba PII-330 and is running > Win98 in a virtual VMware session. I didn't get a chance to really > give it a workout but I was impressed at the ability to wrangle with > the word and excel docs without having to dump out of my linux > session. > Paul Schnettler > > > -- Is your email secure? http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998,1999 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 12:06:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA19851 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18604; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:02:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18481; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18457; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (206.247.247.110 -> aspen.wwsi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:02:40 -0400 Received: from ssh (needToKnowBasis.leopard.com [199.239.18.87] (may be forged)) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA30222 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:56:16 GMT Message-Id: <4.2.0.54.19990601100406.009aada0@a-basin.wwsi.com> X-Sender: ssh@a-basin.wwsi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.54 (Beta) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 10:04:38 -0600 To: Thinkpad Mailing List From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: VMware on Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <3753F94C.50DFF870@ssec.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: This is exactly what I'm planning to do as soon as my new Thinkpad (600E) arrives. I'm interested in others, too. At 10:16 AM 6/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >Any Linux guru's out there have VMware running under Linux on a >thinkpad? >A friend has redhat 6.0 on his toshiba PII-330 and is running Win98 in a >virtual VMware session. I didn't get a chance to really give it a >workout but I was impressed at the ability to wrangle with the word and >excel docs without having to dump out of my linux session. >Paul Schnettler > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 12:12:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA19900 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19373; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:10:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19232; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from los-angeles.mtvnodn.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19219; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from los-angeles.mtvnodn.com (166.77.22.99 -> los-angeles.mtvnodn.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:10:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (sage@localhost) by los-angeles.mtvnodn.com (8.9.3/8.9.1+sheepy_wool) with ESMTP id LAA03890 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:59:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "sasha e." X-Sender: sage@los-angeles.mtvnodn.com To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: VMware on Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.54.19990601100406.009aada0@a-basin.wwsi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Steve Hultquist wrote: > This is exactly what I'm planning to do as soon as my new Thinkpad (600E) > arrives. I'm interested in others, too. The only problem with the 600e and Linux is that the modem is a software-based WinModem which _does not_ work under Linux, so you're required to buy an additional, pcmcia-based modem instead.. I've gotten a Xircom Realport 10/100+56k Modem double-slot pcmcia card, which works quite well on my 600e in RedHat 6.0. Now if I can only get sound working... :) -s --- ,+'^'+, finger for pgp public key. sasha eysymontt - sage@3sheep.COM `+,.,+` systems administrator | arts geek From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 12:14:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA19921 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19695; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:12:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19587; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19564; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.42 -> mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:12:26 -0400 Received: from 73.chicago-23-24rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.157.73]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990601161223.AUB1655@73.chicago-23-24rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:12:23 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Skip Memory Test on the 701 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:11:42 GMT Message-ID: <375405ec.86847357@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I can't remember if it was possible to do this, but just in case: is there anyway to get the IBM 701C from checking RAM when it boots? epbrown Skull: "We've got an unwritten rule that anyone who isn't earning his age in thousands is a loser. You're 33 and you only make 29 grand a year, so that means you've been a loser for..." Harvey: "...four years." Skull: "Exactly, and since we don't *hire* losers, I'm afraid..." -From the movie "Serial" From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 12:22:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA20038 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21094; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:20:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20910; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pyrrhus.pyrrhusoft.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20878; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pyrrhus.pyrrhusoft.com (204.181.57.75 -> p57075.syspac.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:20:08 -0400 Received: by pyrrhus.pyrrhusoft.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m10orEa-00012FC; Tue, 1 Jun 99 09:17 MST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 99 09:17 MST From: jones@pyrrhusoft.com (David Jones) To: epbrown01@att.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Skip Memory Test on the 701 List-Unsubscribe: Would you believe the "Esc" key :-) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 12:39:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA20198 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22698; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:36:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22374; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22354; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:36:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA05603; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:32:53 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Emanuel Brown cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Skip Memory Test on the 701 In-Reply-To: <375405ec.86847357@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Once the memory check starts it can be bypassed by pressing the esc key. I can not recall any setting in the system setup that will cause the memory check to be bypassed automatically. HHH On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Emanuel Brown wrote: > I can't remember if it was possible to do this, but just in case: is > there anyway to get the IBM 701C from checking RAM when it boots? > epbrown > > Skull: "We've got an unwritten rule that anyone who isn't earning his age in > thousands is a loser. You're 33 and you only make 29 grand a year, so that > means you've been a loser for..." > Harvey: "...four years." > Skull: "Exactly, and since we don't *hire* losers, I'm afraid..." > -From the movie "Serial" > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 12:42:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA20227 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22884; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:37:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22493; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.jaring.my (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22449; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.jaring.my (192.228.128.12 -> relay2.jaring.my) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:36:59 -0400 Received: from Administrator (j50.ptl37.jaring.my [161.142.115.124]) by relay2.jaring.my (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA13551 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:36:52 +0800 (MYT) From: "Warren Tan Wing Wah" To: Subject: Thinkpad 560's Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:36:57 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi! :) I'm thinking of getting a Thinkpad 560, preferably Pentium 233MMX, 64MB, 4GB, 12.1" TFT. My budget is around US$ 1250, I don't mind paying a little more, but money is of concern here, so if it's less, all the better! Now to my question : I've seen quite a few machines of these specs on eBay for the price I'm looking at, but I wonder if there's somewhere else I should look at? Anywhere I should look for refurbs or particularly good deals? I'm just concerned that the used ones on eBay may come to me in a less-than-perfect condition :) I also noticed that Bill Morrow at thinkpads.com sells Thinkpads - happen to have any of these for sale, Bill? I'd anytime purchase from someone I know on this list than a complete stranger on eBay! Lastly, is there any other thing I should consider? I'm basically just looking for a cheap (allright, "reasonably-priced", since Thinkpads are never cheap!) ultra-portable that I would: a) use as a backup system in case power goes out on my desktop b) tote around now and then when I travel (I hardly ever do) c) use as a simple mail / web server at times, on my home network d) try out Linux without having to mess up my desktop system That's why I need the minimum of 4GB, since I plan to have both 98 and Linux on it. I would consider going up to $1500 should it be necessary, but if I can get away with something below a grand, all the better! I've seen those P166MMX models with 2.1GB and 32MB going for below a grand - is it worth it to get this instead and upgrade the RAM and HDD? I won't notice much on the processor, would I? Any suggestions? :) Thanks in advance, Warren. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 12:51:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA20337 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23996; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:49:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23876; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23858; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (140.142.70.24 -> jason01.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:49:10 -0400 Received: from dante18.u.washington.edu (ranger5@dante18.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.68]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id JAA21738; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:49:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (ranger5@localhost) by dante18.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id JAA20110; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:49:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:49:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Kokaly" To: Warren Tan Wing Wah cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 560's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Warren, Unless you are really needing the machine now, I'd wait and hope for some price drops on models that are newer to the $1500 range. I bought my 560x with the same specs you saw new for $1149 from Computability. They eventually raised the price to $1249, but I don't think they have any left. I think $1250 is alot for the used 560x. If I were selling mine, I would sell it for $1000 at the most (expecting people to offer $900). I would rethink paying that much for a used one from eBay. I see by a quick look that the 560z is selling for $1799 new from Microwarehouse. Perhaps the price will drop a couple of hundred in a month ( no promises) Matt On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Warren Tan Wing Wah wrote: > Hi! :) > > I'm thinking of getting a Thinkpad 560, preferably Pentium 233MMX, 64MB, > 4GB, 12.1" TFT. My budget is around US$ 1250, I don't mind paying a little > more, but money is of concern here, so if it's less, all the better! > > Now to my question : I've seen quite a few machines of these specs on eBay > for the price I'm looking at, but I wonder if there's somewhere else I > should look at? Anywhere I should look for refurbs or particularly good > deals? I'm just concerned that the used ones on eBay may come to me in a > less-than-perfect condition :) > > I also noticed that Bill Morrow at thinkpads.com sells Thinkpads - happen to > have any of these for sale, Bill? I'd anytime purchase from someone I know > on this list than a complete stranger on eBay! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 13:04:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20508 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25077; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:02:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24942; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24926; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:02:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09124 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:59:27 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: TP 701 Battery Problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I've just powered up my 701 on battery, or rather tried to, and all that happened was for the status lights to flicker on and off with some minor noises from the speaker. When I attached the AC adapter it works fine except when the battery status is displayed(fn+F2) it does not show the battery being charged and the whole display is grey (there is a smily face in the upper left). How do I determine if this is due to the battery or something else? BTW the box ran on battery power a week or so ago, apparantly with out any problem? TIA From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 13:08:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20609 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25583; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:06:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25432; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25413; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:06:23 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-315.gate.net [199.227.173.61] (may be forged)) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA285422; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:07:39 -0400 Message-ID: <375412F4.2B97138B@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:05:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rj CC: Emanuel Brown , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Skip Memory Test on the 701 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have 701C's that DO skip the memory test, but i don't know how this happened.. or how to replicate this behaviour.. so, its possible.. :-) and knowing that should be some help... rj wrote: > Once the memory check starts it can be bypassed by pressing the esc key. I > can not recall any setting in the system setup that will cause the > memory check to be bypassed automatically. > > HHH > > On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Emanuel Brown wrote: > > > I can't remember if it was possible to do this, but just in case: is > > there anyway to get the IBM 701C from checking RAM when it boots? > > epbrown > > > > Skull: "We've got an unwritten rule that anyone who isn't earning his age in > > thousands is a loser. You're 33 and you only make 29 grand a year, so that > > means you've been a loser for..." > > Harvey: "...four years." > > Skull: "Exactly, and since we don't *hire* losers, I'm afraid..." > > -From the movie "Serial" > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 13:33:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20896 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27220; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:31:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27029; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27009; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp2.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:31:21 -0400 Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id KAA24834; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37541957.A57595DD@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 10:33:11 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Tan Wing Wah CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 560's References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If you want to try out Linux, I would vote for buying a CD-ROM equipped thinkpad, either the old 760 series or a 600. The reason is that 3rd party CD-ROM drives are usually not bootable, and Linux support is iffy. My Panasonic KXL-810A is not supported, and it was a pain downloading everything. This can be avoided if your network card is supported (mine wasn't at that time, it is now) since you can then install via FTP. I just checked the completed auctions on eBay, and you can get a P2 TP 600 with 13.3in TFT for about $1500, including CD-ROM. These models are relatively recent (less than a year old), and will still have the remainder of IBM's 3 year warranty. Alternatively you can buy the HPA P233MMX model for about $1000, which also carried a 3 year warranty. Personally I would buy the P2/13.3TFT models if it's your primary machine, but since it's a secondary/backup machine the P233MMX/HPA may suffice. Processor speed is not as important as RAM. Get lots of RAM. Only time you'll see processor-induced slowdown is in games and mathematical simulations, and MP3 playback - my 560X stutters sometimes when the hard drive is accessed during MP3 playback. Otherwise for wordprocessing and the like, no big deal. With Linux, speed should not be an issue at all. Benjamin Warren Tan Wing Wah wrote: > > Hi! :) > > I'm thinking of getting a Thinkpad 560, preferably Pentium 233MMX, 64MB, > 4GB, 12.1" TFT. My budget is around US$ 1250, I don't mind paying a little > more, but money is of concern here, so if it's less, all the better! > > Now to my question : I've seen quite a few machines of these specs on eBay > for the price I'm looking at, but I wonder if there's somewhere else I > should look at? Anywhere I should look for refurbs or particularly good > deals? I'm just concerned that the used ones on eBay may come to me in a > less-than-perfect condition :) > > I also noticed that Bill Morrow at thinkpads.com sells Thinkpads - happen to > have any of these for sale, Bill? I'd anytime purchase from someone I know > on this list than a complete stranger on eBay! > > Lastly, is there any other thing I should consider? I'm basically just > looking for a cheap (allright, "reasonably-priced", since Thinkpads are > never cheap!) ultra-portable that I would: > > a) use as a backup system in case power goes out on my desktop > b) tote around now and then when I travel (I hardly ever do) > c) use as a simple mail / web server at times, on my home network > d) try out Linux without having to mess up my desktop system > > That's why I need the minimum of 4GB, since I plan to have both 98 and Linux > on it. > > I would consider going up to $1500 should it be necessary, but if I can get > away with something below a grand, all the better! > > I've seen those P166MMX models with 2.1GB and 32MB going for below a grand - > is it worth it to get this instead and upgrade the RAM and HDD? I won't > notice much on the processor, would I? > > Any suggestions? :) > > Thanks in advance, > Warren. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 13:57:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA21202 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28920; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:55:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28739; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28725; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.42 -> mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:55:43 -0400 Received: from 252.chicago-11-12rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.152.252]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990601175537.BTWT1655@252.chicago-11-12rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:55:37 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Skip Memory Test on the 701 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:54:56 GMT Message-ID: <37541a1b.92015150@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <375412F4.2B97138B@icanect.net> In-Reply-To: <375412F4.2B97138B@icanect.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:05:56 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >I have 701C's that DO skip the memory test, but i don't know how this happened.. >or how to replicate this behaviour.. Thanks, everyone. Just to clarify, I'm in the same boat as Bill - I've currently got two 701s (one's a b-day present for a friend, which I got for a couple hundred bucks and that I hope will get the kid to move on from her Thinkpad 500). For seemingly no known reason, sometimes one or the other will skip the test and go straight to booting the OS. I've played with all the settings in the BIOS that seem relevant, but thought I'd missed one. epbrown Skull: "We've got an unwritten rule that anyone who isn't earning his age in thousands is a loser. You're 33 and you only make 29 grand a year, so that means you've been a loser for..." Harvey: "...four years." Skull: "Exactly, and since we don't *hire* losers, I'm afraid..." -From the movie "Serial" From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 14:40:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21746 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03175; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:37:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02745; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02667; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:37:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:37:18 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a217.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.217]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA15826; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906011836.OAA15826@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a217.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.217] 209.198.80.217 Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:18:19 -0400 To: "Warren Tan Wing Wah" , In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Thinkpad 560's X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: That sound's pretty hight for a machine that is being discountinued. Now that the TP570 is out, I expect the price of a 300mhz PII 560 to fall to around $1400. ALso note that the 560 does not have a CD drive. It is an extra, and you will need one to load the systems you want. >I'm thinking of getting a Thinkpad 560, preferably Pentium 233MMX, 64MB, >4GB, 12.1" TFT. My budget is around US$ 1250, I don't mind paying a >little more, but money is of concern here, so if it's less, all the >better! >Now to my question : I've seen quite a few machines of these specs on >eBay for the price I'm looking at, but I wonder if there's somewhere else >I should look at? Anywhere I should look for refurbs or particularly >good deals? I'm just concerned that the used ones on eBay may come to me >in a less-than-perfect condition :) >I also noticed that Bill Morrow at thinkpads.com sells Thinkpads - happen >to have any of these for sale, Bill? I'd anytime purchase from someone I >know on this list than a complete stranger on eBay! >Lastly, is there any other thing I should consider? I'm basically just >looking for a cheap (allright, "reasonably-priced", since Thinkpads are >never cheap!) ultra-portable that I would: >a) use as a backup system in case power goes out on my desktop b) tote >around now and then when I travel (I hardly ever do) c) use as a simple >mail / web server at times, on my home network d) try out Linux without >having to mess up my desktop system >That's why I need the minimum of 4GB, since I plan to have both 98 and >Linux on it. >I would consider going up to $1500 should it be necessary, but if I can >get away with something below a grand, all the better! >I've seen those P166MMX models with 2.1GB and 32MB going for below a >grand - >is it worth it to get this instead and upgrade the RAM and HDD? I won't >notice much on the processor, would I? >Any suggestions? :) >Thanks in advance, >Warren. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 14:41:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21752 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02874; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:36:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02513; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02490; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:36:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04982; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:36:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:36:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Steven N. Fettig" cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 29 May 1999, Steven N. Fettig wrote: Hi Steve, > I just wanted to ask what the average price I should be expecting to > pay for a 128MB memory chip for my TP 770ED. I've seen Kingston prices > around $500, but am not sure whether that is my best choice - for the price > or brand. I am more interested in performance than price (although price > will play somewhat of a role in the end). If you went to Crucial which is basically Micron Technology memory, it's under $400. Kingston is under $450 at places like PC Zone I think. Even the IBM Memory is made by Mitsubishi. Atleast the ones for the 770Z 9549-8AU. I always thought IBM made memory or atleast they used to. I guess the best brands to go with are NEC, TI, Motorola, Micron Technology, Kingston, Toshiba, PNY. Not sure about Viking though. The IBM memory in the options by IBM catalog that came with the machine is only $449 but I wonder if there are any advantages to using genuine IBM memory, will they send a advance replacement if there are any problems? Sorry everyone for not being able to post on the list. My new 770Z sure has gone through a nice adventure ever since I got it 2 weeks ago. First, the EEPROM on the system board gets corrupted so even though the machine was functioning, the system board was swapped out last friday in 2 hours or so. Then the next thing I know is that when everything was put back together, the Eject mechanism for the UltraBay II doesn't work correctly or doesn't pop out. Worst of all, a few screws are missing and the servicer lost somehow lost the Springs for the doors to the docking port so a new complete lower part of the base will need to be ordered. Did anyone ever had the case of their ThinkPad replaced before? I'm wondering if it comes with the stickers for Pentium II Inside, Designed for Windows 98/NT and the big sticker on the bottom. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 14:55:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21977 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04367; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:46:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03982; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03950; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235 -> smtp2.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:45:53 -0400 Received: from richard (216-164-222-136.s390.tnt4.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.222.136]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22912 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990601144123.00a2fab0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 14:45:49 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Speaking of memory, anyone have any experience (positive or negative) with Southland Micro? I was thinking of buying one of their 64mb modules for my 570. This has probably been answered, but why are 128mb modules so much more expensive than 64mb? I'd expect approx 2x, but they seem closer to 4x. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 15:15:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22190 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06907; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:13:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06625; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from diplomatic.passport.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06611; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from diplomatic.passport.ca (204.225.103.222 -> diplomatic.passport.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:13:29 -0400 Received: from localhost ([207.112.16.22]) by diplomatic.passport.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00240; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:08:04 -0400 (EDT) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: linux and press to select X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94b26 on Emacs 20.3 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Reply-to: stanton@bkls.com CC: stanton@bkls.com X-URL: http://www.bkls.com/~stanton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990601151323S.lstanton@bkls.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 15:13:23 -0400 From: "Linn H. Stanton" X-Dispatcher: imput version 990425(IM115) Lines: 12 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know of linux code to support the trackpoint press-to-select feature of new thinkpads? Failing that, does anyone have any technical docs that indicate what the press looks like to the hardware, so that I can take a stab at a driver? Thanks "Give all power to the many; they will oppress the few. Give all power to the few; they will oppress the many." Alexander Hamilton From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 15:27:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22307 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07646; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:19:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07456; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07442; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906011918.PAA07442@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (129.71.2.4 -> wvnvm.wvnet.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:19:00 -0400 Received: from teapot [129.71.229.159] by WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Tue, 01 Jun 1999 15:21:12 EDT From: "Vrondi" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:09:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: intro Reply-to: vrondi@nettaxi.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) List-Unsubscribe: Hello everyone. I'm just writing a note to introduce myself. I am a college student. Majoring in Literature, so I've _lots_ of note-taking and paper writing to do. I've just ordered a used ThinkPad 755CD which should arrive in about 2 days. I've been using desktops for years, but the only other portable I've really used is an old old Tandy 100. So I'm a newbie regarding notebooks. One thing I've been wondering: How long does a battery charge seem to last on one of these machines? in the real world? I've seen written estimates that vary wildy. And any information you all would like to point me towards on the net in general would be appreciated. //Chrys Amy Dean | Vrondi on EFNET IRC "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster; and when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." - Friedrich Nietzsc he From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 16:03:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22685 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12009; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:00:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11893; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11877; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:00:49 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-315.gate.net [199.227.173.61] (may be forged)) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA456220; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:02:17 -0400 Message-ID: <37543BDE.2051FAFB@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:00:30 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems References: <4.1.19990601144123.00a2fab0@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the 128meg chips are more expensive.. i can meet any price.. AVOID Crucial..! richard wrote: > Speaking of memory, anyone have any experience (positive or negative) with > Southland Micro? I was thinking of buying one of their 64mb modules for my > 570. > > This has probably been answered, but why are 128mb modules so much more > expensive than 64mb? I'd expect approx 2x, but they seem closer to 4x. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 16:06:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22735 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12690; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:04:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12514; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12497; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:04:44 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-315.gate.net [199.227.173.61] (may be forged)) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA10008 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:06:23 -0400 Message-ID: <37543CD9.5E9FB9F5@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:04:41 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Thinkpad 560's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Warren.. IRT E-bay.. it CAN be very risky.. but if the risk is avoided, you CAN get a good deal IF you get in at a good price and the seller honors his contract... IRT used 560's.. i have a 560E (P166MMX, 6.4gig, 12.1TFT thats perfect and a new battery, external floppy and cable).. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 16:12:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22780 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13435; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:06:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12970; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12953; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:06:38 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-315.gate.net [199.227.173.61] (may be forged)) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA231124; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:08:14 -0400 Message-ID: <37543D47.3DB055F3@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:06:31 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vrondi@nettaxi.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: intro References: <199906011918.PAA07442@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vrondi... real world for a 755CD was about 1.75 hours when the battery was new.. IMO, you would be better served by a 760C or the like.. Vrondi wrote: > Hello everyone. I'm just writing a note to introduce myself. > I am a college student. Majoring in Literature, so I've _lots_ > of note-taking and paper writing to do. I've just ordered a used > ThinkPad 755CD which should arrive in about 2 days. > I've been using desktops for years, but the only other portable > I've really used is an old old Tandy 100. > So I'm a newbie regarding notebooks. > One thing I've been wondering: How long does a battery charge > seem to last on one of these machines? in the real world? I've seen > written estimates that vary wildy. > And any information you all would like to point me towards on the > net in general would be appreciated. > > //Chrys Amy Dean | Vrondi on EFNET IRC > "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process > he does not become a monster; and when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." - Friedrich Nietzsc > he -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 16:13:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22786 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14040; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:11:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13756; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13663; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:10:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05428; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:10:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:10:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: <37543BDE.2051FAFB@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Okay Bill, sorry to sound silly but what's wrong with Crucial? Aren't they just selling Micron technology memory which is supposed to be one of the best? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > the 128meg chips are more expensive.. > i can meet any price.. > AVOID Crucial..! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 16:16:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22825 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14698; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:14:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14413; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cask.force9.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14371; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cask.force9.net (195.166.128.29 -> cask.force9.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:14:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 30803 invoked from network); 1 Jun 1999 20:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 1 Jun 1999 20:14:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 24489 invoked from network); 1 Jun 1999 20:10:23 -0000 Received: from 421.hiper03.access.free-online.net (HELO sierpinski) (212.56.115.165) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 1 Jun 1999 20:10:23 -0000 Message-ID: <003301beac6b$6c853560$a57338d4@sierpinski> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Thanks (was: using CD as HD ) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:14:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to all - especially Russ W., Steve L., and Martin R. - for the suggestions. The Virtual CD and CD Copy programs sound like just what I need. I've located the first, and am now looking for the second for a comparison. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 17:33:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23610 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20451; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:30:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20213; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toucan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20196; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toucan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.98 -> toucan.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:30:01 -0400 Received: from [153.37.83.197] (1Cust197.tnt11.lax3.da.uu.net [153.37.83.197]) by toucan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02963 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906012129.OAA02963@toucan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 14:30:50 -0700 Subject: From: "Chi-Chih Chen" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi I found your email address on the Linux Laptop Volunteer database. I have a Thinkpad 390 with 12.1" LCD TFT screen. The problem I encountered is that when I type 'startx', sometimes it shows up alright but sometimes it becomes blank screen. I am using NeoMagic NM2200 (256AV) chip so I chose SVGA X-Server to handle it. Under the monitor setting, I choose LCD 800x600. For resolution, I choose 16 bit 800x600. This all went well when I type 'startx' but if I quite the X-Window and try to get back in again, the LCD screen becomes blank. I am using both SuSE Linux 6.1 and RedHat Linux 6.0 but non of them will solve this problem. I am using the latest XFree86 3.3.3.1 When the screen becomes black, the system is still running which means that I can still type anything, just I can't see it. (For example, I can type 'reboot' and the system will reboot). I did try 'startx --bpp 16'. I am suspecting that the problem is the modeline setting. Do you know the modeline setting for Thinkpad 390 for 800x600 16bpp?? Thank you Chi-Chih Chen From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 17:52:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23777 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22053; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:50:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21932; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.pbc.adelphia.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21915; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.pbc.adelphia.net (24.48.21.2 -> alpha.pbc.adelphia.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:50:34 -0400 Received: from SysOP (surf3-145-9.pbc.adelphia.net [24.48.145.9]) by alpha.pbc.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id RAA06961 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001b01beac78$c2159580$0100a8c0@SysOP> From: "Dave" To: References: <199906012129.OAA02963@toucan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: PLZ unsubscribe me! Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:50:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: PLZ unsubscribe me from this mailing list! It's completely floading my mailbow with all of these e-mails! I don't see how you peepz can stand it?! ThanX, -Dave- ACiDxIcE@Adelphia.Net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 18:00:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA23833 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22801; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:58:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22683; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22663; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:58:45 -0400 Received: from 10.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.150.10]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990601215836.DYAB16101@10.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:58:36 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: Subject: Re: PLZ unsubscribe me! Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:57:56 GMT Message-ID: <375b56e9.107582325@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199906012129.OAA02963@toucan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <001b01beac78$c2159580$0100a8c0@SysOP> In-Reply-To: <001b01beac78$c2159580$0100a8c0@SysOP> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:50:23 -0400, "Dave" wrote: >PLZ unsubscribe me from this mailing list! It's completely floading my >mailbow with all of these e-mails! I don't see how you peepz can stand it?! > It's quite easy to manage if you filter the words "subscribe" and "unsubscribe." If you still want to leave, just check the headers in any of the postings you've received from the list - they each have unsubbing instructions included. epbrown Skull: "We've got an unwritten rule that anyone who isn't earning his age in thousands is a loser. You're 33 and you only make 29 grand a year, so that means you've been a loser for..." Harvey: "...four years." Skull: "Exactly, and since we don't *hire* losers, I'm afraid..." -From the movie "Serial" From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 18:29:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24180 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24641; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:27:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24537; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24524; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:27:38 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-433.gate.net [199.227.173.179]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA381304; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:28:48 -0400 Message-ID: <37545E3A.108D87A7@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 18:27:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I was warned that micron had a large order to produce memory for dell, h/p and ibm systems.. that micron delivered and that more than an acceptable percentage of the parts did not meet the spec so they got it all back.. thus, crucial (micron) is sellimg off these parts at low prices.. i though i had warned about this before.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > Okay Bill, sorry to sound silly but what's wrong with Crucial? > Aren't they just selling Micron technology memory which is supposed to be > one of the best? > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > the 128meg chips are more expensive.. > > i can meet any price.. > > AVOID Crucial..! -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 18:32:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24225 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25167; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:30:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24983; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24969; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:30:25 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-433.gate.net [199.227.173.179]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA169266; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:32:02 -0400 Message-ID: <37545EFC.7A674999@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 18:30:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rj CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP 701 Battery Problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: make sure the contacts are clean, cycle the battery once or twice, then try again.. which one is it..? the NiMH is better than the NiCAD.. rj wrote: > I've just powered up my 701 on battery, or rather tried to, and all that > happened was for the status lights to flicker on and off with some minor > noises from the speaker. When I attached the AC adapter it works fine > except when the battery status is displayed(fn+F2) it does not show the > battery being charged and the whole display is grey (there is a smily face > in the upper left). How do I determine if this is due to the battery or > something else? BTW the box ran on battery power a week or so ago, > apparantly with out any problem? > > TIA -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 18:41:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24314 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25958; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:37:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25707; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25689; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:37:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA06032; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:37:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:37:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: <37545E3A.108D87A7@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > I was warned that micron had a large order to produce memory for dell, h/p and > ibm systems.. > that micron delivered and that more than an acceptable percentage of the parts > did not meet the spec so they got it all back.. > thus, crucial (micron) is sellimg off these parts at low prices.. > > i though i had warned about this before.. Yes, you did but I thought there can't be a lost since they do offer 30 day money back guarantee and lifetime warranty. Is Kingston memory okay though? If one buys the IBM Memory, does IBM EasyServ send replacements in advance if there are any problems? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 19:00:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA24480 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26987; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:58:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26867; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26851; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:58:35 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-433.gate.net [199.227.173.179]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA207494; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:00:06 -0400 Message-ID: <3754658F.1ACEC7A4@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 18:58:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince.. i have not had a kingstom OR an IBM part (other than those shipped with my personal 770) for a long time.. ibm has not made their own memory for as long as i can recall.. many vendors make it for them.. kingston is good (i think toshiba bought kingston).. apricorn is thinkpad proven, but i have not sold much apricorn lately due to high prices.. viking is OK too, but the last time i got a 128meg part from them (recently) they still had parts that would not fit the 770X and Z due to the way ibm changed the second dimm socket.. goldenram fixed this problem early on when i complained about it.. i even got them a rental 770X from a customer so they had a test machine.. i personally use the goldenram.. in short, get anything but crucial.. i think ibm WILL do a hot swap on memory if you give them a CC #, but so will most.. i do it for my old customers who i know... Vincent Poy wrote: > On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > I was warned that micron had a large order to produce memory for dell, h/p and > > ibm systems.. > > that micron delivered and that more than an acceptable percentage of the parts > > did not meet the spec so they got it all back.. > > thus, crucial (micron) is sellimg off these parts at low prices.. > > > > i though i had warned about this before.. > > Yes, you did but I thought there can't be a lost since they do > offer 30 day money back guarantee and lifetime warranty. Is Kingston > memory okay though? If one buys the IBM Memory, does IBM EasyServ send > replacements in advance if there are any problems? > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 19:12:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA24564 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28140; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:10:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28037; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.seanet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28023; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.seanet.com (199.181.164.2 -> dns2.seanet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:10:36 -0400 Received: from 204.182.122.139 ([204.182.122.139]) by mx.seanet.com (8.9.3/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14731; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:10:29 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: penzance@icanect.net Cc: rj@chele.cais.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 701 Battery Problem Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:00:13 -0700 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <9XGV34miplKM092yn@islandnet.com> References: <37545EFC.7A674999@icanect.net> In-Reply-To: <37545EFC.7A674999@icanect.net> Lines: 49 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: This may be a task for RESETBAT.EXE also known as 701RESET.EXE. http://www.innernet.net/jlk/ Every 701 owner should have this program. In article <37545EFC.7A674999@icanect.net>, you wrote: :make sure the contacts are clean, :cycle the battery once or twice, then try again.. :which one is it..? the NiMH is better than the NiCAD.. : :rj wrote: : :> I've just powered up my 701 on battery, or rather tried to, and all that :> happened was for the status lights to flicker on and off with some minor :> noises from the speaker. When I attached the AC adapter it works fine :> except when the battery status is displayed(fn+F2) it does not show the :> battery being charged and the whole display is grey (there is a smily face :> in the upper left). How do I determine if this is due to the battery or :> something else? BTW the box ran on battery power a week or so ago, :> apparantly with out any problem? :> :> TIA : : : :-- :Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... : :** Bill Morrow ** :-) :Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop :WEB page http://thinkpads.com :Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html :e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net :770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... : :Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, :Done on a :closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. : : : -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 19:58:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA24884 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00685; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:57:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00555; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00542; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:57:18 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.53.152]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990601235715.OLQ3391@770> for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:57:15 +0000 Message-ID: <37547356.2095@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 19:57:10 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Need help with LCD problem... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a 755CDV. There is a grey line, 3/4" in width, running down the side of the screen. You can read through the line. External display works perfectly. Anyone have an idea as to what part may be bad? LCD itself, cable, video card or what? Thanks for any help! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 20:16:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA24980 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02025; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:14:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01898; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01851; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:14:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA06442; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:14:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bruce Markowitz cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Need help with LCD problem... In-Reply-To: <37547356.2095@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > I have a 755CDV. There is a grey line, 3/4" in width, running down the > side of the screen. You can read through the line. External display > works perfectly. > Anyone have an idea as to what part may be bad? LCD itself, cable, video > card or what? > Thanks for any help! As Steve Andre would say, I'll bet that something in the row/column addressing logic for the screen has died. If that is the case, then looking at a new computer might not be that unreasonable, as a replacement screen is rather expensive. Any one pixel can go into a blown-open state but for a line of them, something in the controlling logic has to go. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 20:27:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA25052 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02918; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:25:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02771; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02755; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:25:34 -0400 Received: from 63.chicago-01-02rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.148.63]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990602002531.HVGK9941@63.chicago-01-02rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:25:31 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 701 Battery Problem Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:24:48 GMT Message-ID: <37547977.116430421@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <37545EFC.7A674999@icanect.net> <9XGV34miplKM092yn@islandnet.com> In-Reply-To: <9XGV34miplKM092yn@islandnet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:00:13 -0700, jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) wrote: >This may be a task for RESETBAT.EXE also >known as 701RESET.EXE. I've got a copy of that. Isn't it for use when your 701 won't acknowledge when the battery is drained so it won't charge? This sounds like a different situation to me. epbrown Skull: "We've got an unwritten rule that anyone who isn't earning his age in thousands is a loser. You're 33 and you only make 29 grand a year, so that means you've been a loser for..." Harvey: "...four years." Skull: "Exactly, and since we don't *hire* losers, I'm afraid..." -From the movie "Serial" From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 21:37:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA25540 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06058; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:35:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05797; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot008.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05784; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot008.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.108 -> pilot008.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:35:22 -0400 Received: from andres (port33.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.172]) by pilot008.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA25788 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:35:18 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990601213730.008c6780@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:37:30 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Need help with LCD problem... In-Reply-To: References: <37547356.2095@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Heh! Yes, the addressing logic may well be fried, but it occurs to me that I saw something like this once. The LCD panel was OK, but the connector to it was slightly loose, such that odd things came out on the screen. If this is the case--and it most likely isn't--then the cure is to take the laptop part of the panel apart, so you can find the (presumably) ribbon connector to the display. You'll have to take that apart and reseat it, but that would fix a bad connection problem. I'll bet that its in the LCD display however. The fact that external video works suggests that the video hardware is fine, pointing more fingers at the LCD display. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 05:14 PM 6/1/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: >On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > >> I have a 755CDV. There is a grey line, 3/4" in width, running down the >> side of the screen. You can read through the line. External display >> works perfectly. >> Anyone have an idea as to what part may be bad? LCD itself, cable, video >> card or what? >> Thanks for any help! > > As Steve Andre would say, I'll bet that something in the >row/column addressing logic for the screen has died. If that is the case, >then looking at a new computer might not be that unreasonable, as a >replacement screen is rather expensive. Any one pixel can go into a >blown-open state but for a line of them, something in the controlling >logic has to go. > > >Cheers, >Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ >Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] >GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] >Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] >HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 21:40:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA25570 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06442; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:36:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06073; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05924; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:36:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA06810; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:35:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:35:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: <3754658F.1ACEC7A4@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Hi Bill, First of all, thanks for your input. > i have not had a kingstom OR an IBM part (other than those shipped > with my personal 770) for a long time.. > ibm has not made their own memory for as long as i can recall.. > many vendors make it for them.. If IBM doesn't make their own memory, then how can their memory be any better than the other out there as they claim? > kingston is good (i think toshiba bought kingston).. Oh okay, but it seems like Kingston wasn't well known until the last few years. It seems before, the only good memory were from Micron, Motorola, OKI, NEC, SIEMENS, TI, Samsung and the best thing was like Toshiba. The funny thing is my TP385ED actually has IBM memory on the motherboard. > apricorn is thinkpad proven, but i have not sold much apricorn lately > due to high prices.. Does Apricorn make their own memory or do they just buy the chips >from other vendors and build the modules? > viking is OK too, but the last time i got a 128meg part from them > (recently) they still had parts that would not fit the 770X and Z due > to the way ibm changed the second dimm socket.. Hmmm, I thought the DIMM sockets were all standard. Ofcourse, I did notice that one socket was made by Molex and one isn't. > goldenram fixed this problem early on when i complained about it.. > i even got them a rental 770X from a customer so they had a test machine.. > > i personally use the goldenram.. How much does GoldenRam charge for memory? And I guess they buy the chips from others too and put together memory sort of like how PNY does it? Not sure how Viking does it since I only heard about them but never seen it before. > in short, get anything but crucial.. I guess Micron quality must have gone down or something. I always thought they manufactured their own memory since they were the ones who invented SyncBurst or Pipeline Burst Caching as we would call it for Pentium and higher machines. > i think ibm WILL do a hot swap on memory if you give them a CC #, but > so will most.. I never had experience of bad memory before so I don't know how they usually do the exchange for a warranty claim. I just thought that with IBM, they will ship you everything that a user can change as long as it's approved for the machine. Speaking about IBM, I did get the Enhanced DVD Video adapter option and for some reason, there are still lots of artifacts for DVD's and then does anyone know what each port is used for since the manuals doesn't seem to say anything about them or where I can get the cables for video and audio. > i do it for my old customers who i know... Oh okay, thanks for sharing your experience. Really appreciate it. Seems like something in the Preload of Windows98 on the 770Z really drains resources fast. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 22:01:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA25722 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08269; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:59:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08128; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.jaring.my (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08113; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.jaring.my (192.228.128.12 -> relay2.jaring.my) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:59:08 -0400 Received: from Administrator (j16.ptl40.jaring.my [161.142.116.150]) by relay2.jaring.my (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA17547; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:59:00 +0800 (MYT) From: "Warren Tan Wing Wah" To: Cc: "Benjamin Koh" Subject: RE: Thinkpad 560's Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:59:05 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <37541957.A57595DD@leland.stanford.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi Benjamin, Thanks for your reply. The reason I only considered a 560 was because of the weight and dimensions, I wanted something that I could just tote around in a backpack, like a good book, and not think twice about matters like "Should I bring it out today? The park is pretty far and this fella isn't exactly very light..." It will also be my secondary system, I will have access to a main souped-up overclocked Celery desktop most of the time. So a network connection to a CD-ROM drive is never too far away. My questions now: 1. How difficult is it to install Linux on a 560 with a good 3Com / Xircom network card? 2. Those who have used both the 560 and 600 - how much worse off (in terms of weight and dimensions) is the 600? 3. The 13.3" XGA screen sure looks appealing :) Is there a 233MMX model with a 13.3" XGA screen? I don't need P2 here, trying to save $$, but HPA / DSTN and anything non-TFT is definitely out! Hmm... or should I buy *two* laptops instead - say, a really cheap (about $1000) basic Thinkpad 600, and get a *real* ultralite like the Toshiba 3010 for those times I'm on the move? Thanks! Warren > -----Original Message----- > From: Benjamin Koh [mailto:benkoh@leland.Stanford.EDU] > Sent: 02 June 1999 1:33 AM > To: Warren Tan Wing Wah > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Thinkpad 560's > > > If you want to try out Linux, I would vote for buying a > CD-ROM equipped > thinkpad, either the old 760 series or a 600. The reason is that 3rd > party CD-ROM drives are usually not bootable, and Linux support is iffy. > My Panasonic KXL-810A is not supported, and it was a pain downloading > everything. This can be avoided if your network card is supported (mine > wasn't at that time, it is now) since you can then install via FTP. > I just checked the completed auctions on eBay, and you can > get a P2 TP > 600 with 13.3in TFT for about $1500, including CD-ROM. These models are > relatively recent (less than a year old), and will still have the > remainder of IBM's 3 year warranty. Alternatively you can buy the HPA > P233MMX model for about $1000, which also carried a 3 year warranty. > Personally I would buy the P2/13.3TFT models if it's your primary > machine, but since it's a secondary/backup machine the P233MMX/HPA may > suffice. > Processor speed is not as important as RAM. Get lots of > RAM. Only time > you'll see processor-induced slowdown is in games and mathematical > simulations, and MP3 playback - my 560X stutters sometimes when the hard > drive is accessed during MP3 playback. Otherwise for wordprocessing and > the like, no big deal. With Linux, speed should not be an issue at all. > > Benjamin > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 22:12:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA25772 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09273; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:10:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09026; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09010; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:10:08 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.217.147]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990602021005.JQUS9941@oemcomputer>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:10:05 +0000 Message-ID: <37549249.270@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 22:09:13 -0400 From: Birger Petterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Bill Morrow , richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Last time I looked IBM only had a one year warrenty on memory. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 22:13:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA25782 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09629; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:11:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09244; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09105; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (165.87.194.243 -> out5.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:10:36 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip-32-100-39-123.nj.us.ibm.net [32.100.39.123]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA40722; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:09:28 GMT Message-ID: <000d01beac9e$6d75cec0$7b276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: "richard" , References: Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:19:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: You should have received at least one cable that can be used on any of the ports. Did you not receive any documentation with the adapter? Don > Speaking about IBM, I did get the Enhanced > DVD Video adapter option and for some reason, there are still lots of > artifacts for DVD's and then does anyone know what each port is used for > since the manuals doesn't seem to say anything about them or where I can > get the cables for video and audio. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 22:18:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA25824 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10206; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:16:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09931; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09916; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:16:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA06987; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:14:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:14:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: Bill Morrow , richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: <000d01beac9e$6d75cec0$7b276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > You should have received at least one cable that can be used on any of the > ports. I got only one cable but if I'll hook it up to a audio system, I'll need the audio as well and might need the video in as well. > Did you not receive any documentation with the adapter? I did but the manual and the docs didn't say anything about the ports. > > Speaking about IBM, I did get the Enhanced > > DVD Video adapter option and for some reason, there are still lots of > > artifacts for DVD's and then does anyone know what each port is used for > > since the manuals doesn't seem to say anything about them or where I can > > get the cables for video and audio. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 23:18:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA26164 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13654; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:13:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13427; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13400; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (165.87.194.243 -> out5.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:13:16 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip-32-100-39-122.nj.us.ibm.net [32.100.39.122]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA85076; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 03:13:07 GMT Message-ID: <002701beaca7$4f18e4e0$7b276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: References: Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:23:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Well, unfortunately all you get is one cable. I think they run about $20 if you want to order one. Something to keep in mind, the audio out is ONLY for use with a Dolby Digital Receiver. If you don't have a Dolby enabled digital decode than you can use the standard audio out. I'll send you two pdf files that shoudl help somewhat... Don > > You should have received at least one cable that can be used on any of the > > ports. > > I got only one cable but if I'll hook it up to a audio system, > I'll need the audio as well and might need the video in as well. > > > Did you not receive any documentation with the adapter? > > I did but the manual and the docs didn't say anything about the > ports. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 1 23:30:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA26227 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10725; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:17:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10324; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10178; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:17:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA06996; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:15:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:15:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Birger Petterson cc: Bill Morrow , richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: <37549249.270@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Birger Petterson wrote: > Last time I looked IBM only had a one year warrenty on memory. Really? I thought everyone had lifetime by now. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 00:28:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA26609 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16438; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:26:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16223; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16210; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:26:30 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-147.gate.net [199.227.20.210]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA241110; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:28:03 -0400 Message-ID: <3754B26C.A2390D9D@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:26:21 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Mak CC: Vincent Poy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems References: <002701beaca7$4f18e4e0$7b276420@thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the cables were about $35 each last time i looked.. they are the same cable as used on the 755CD, 760CD, 760ED, 765, etc., et al., FRU P/N is 85G1897 Donald Mak wrote: > Well, unfortunately all you get is one cable. I think they run about $20 if > you want to order one. > Something to keep in mind, the audio out is ONLY for use with a Dolby > Digital Receiver. If you don't have a Dolby enabled digital decode than you > can use the standard audio out. > I'll send you two pdf files that shoudl help somewhat... > > Don > > > > You should have received at least one cable that can be used on any of > the > > > ports. > > > > I got only one cable but if I'll hook it up to a audio system, > > I'll need the audio as well and might need the video in as well. > > > > > Did you not receive any documentation with the adapter? > > > > I did but the manual and the docs didn't say anything about the > > ports. > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 00:42:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA26690 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17390; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:41:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17236; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17223; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:41:19 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-147.gate.net [199.227.20.210]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA226366; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:42:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3754B5E6.600B1869@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:41:10 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince and others.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > First of all, thanks for your input. > > > i have not had a kingstom OR an IBM part (other than those shipped > > with my personal 770) for a long time.. > > ibm has not made their own memory for as long as i can recall.. > > many vendors make it for them.. > > If IBM doesn't make their own memory, then how can their memory be > any better than the other out there as they claim? > its not..! > > kingston is good (i think toshiba bought kingston).. > > Oh okay, but it seems like Kingston wasn't well known until the > last few years. It seems before, the only good memory were from Micron, > Motorola, OKI, NEC, SIEMENS, TI, Samsung and the best thing was like > Toshiba. The funny thing is my TP385ED actually has IBM memory on the > motherboard. > IBM used to be well known for bum memory chips..or so i was told by a friend who bought and sold ram chips.. > > apricorn is thinkpad proven, but i have not sold much apricorn lately > > due to high prices.. > > Does Apricorn make their own memory or do they just buy the chips > from other vendors and build the modules? > Apricorn and most others buy the chips, then design the little boards...there is an eprom on the board too.. > > viking is OK too, but the last time i got a 128meg part from them > > (recently) they still had parts that would not fit the 770X and Z due > > to the way ibm changed the second dimm socket.. > > Hmmm, I thought the DIMM sockets were all standard. Ofcourse, I > did notice that one socket was made by Molex and one isn't. > on the 770-1AU and 770ED, the DIMM sockets are oriented in the same direction, the 770X and 770Z has one of the DIMM sockets "flipped" over, thus the former upside of the DIMM now was on the boddom and the eprom interfered with the side of the DIMM socket..this little "bug" took about 6 weeks to get 'fixed' with goldenram.. got some viking 128meg parts 2 months ago, and they were still using this older desing.. they were not so interested in my help or comments, so i sent it back and got the goldenram.. > > goldenram fixed this problem early on when i complained about it.. > > i even got them a rental 770X from a customer so they had a test machine.. > > > > i personally use the goldenram.. > > How much does GoldenRam charge for memory? And I guess they buy > the chips from others too and put together memory sort of like how PNY > does it? Not sure how Viking does it since I only heard about them but > never seen it before. > Viking had the very first 64meg parts for the 770 when it first came out..they are a good company, but getting a bit too bnig and diversified, i think.. > > in short, get anything but crucial.. > > I guess Micron quality must have gone down or something. I always > thought they manufactured their own memory since they were the ones who > invented SyncBurst or Pipeline Burst Caching as we would call it for > Pentium and higher machines. > this is what i was told..micron does make their own chips, but chips are not the total picture.. engineering the board and mfg. is a large component of the eventual quality.. > > i think ibm WILL do a hot swap on memory if you give them a CC #, but > > so will most.. > > I never had experience of bad memory before so I don't know how > they usually do the exchange for a warranty claim. I just thought that > with IBM, they will ship you everything that a user can change as long as > it's approved for the machine. Speaking about IBM, I did get the Enhanced > DVD Video adapter option and for some reason, there are still lots of > artifacts for DVD's and then does anyone know what each port is used for > since the manuals doesn't seem to say anything about them or where I can > get the cables for video and audio. > i identified each port..video in, out and dolby i think.. my enh. video works fine.. no problem.. > > i do it for my old customers who i know... > > Oh okay, thanks for sharing your experience. Really appreciate > it. Seems like something in the Preload of Windows98 on the 770Z really > drains resources fast. > i have not experienced this..tight now i'm running the standard preload on a 3.2gig drive with office 2000 beta.. using front page 2000 to redesign thinkpads.com.. the supplied 14gig drive has voice type exec on it.. and the standard preload.. did a restore to one of my 14gig drives and did all the usual things with the DVD and no artifacts or anything wrong at all... no problems with any of these.. i know, i know, now you want to know "why the 3.2gig drive"..?? well, they're cheap, fast enough, and i like to play.. why use a 14gig or 10gig just to experiment..?! :-) > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 00:45:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA26733 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17825; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:43:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17652; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17616; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:43:26 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-147.gate.net [199.227.20.210]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA244924; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:45:04 -0400 Message-ID: <3754B669.896DBA42@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:43:21 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Need help with LCD problem... References: <37547356.2095@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: if this came on suddenly, possibly the LCD, if slowly, most likely the cable.. (including, but not limited to cable, plug, socket etc.) Bruce Markowitz wrote: > I have a 755CDV. There is a grey line, 3/4" in width, running down the > side of the screen. You can read through the line. External display > works perfectly. > Anyone have an idea as to what part may be bad? LCD itself, cable, video > card or what? > Thanks for any help! -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 00:52:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA26792 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18358; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:45:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18061; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18040; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:45:25 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-147.gate.net [199.227.20.210]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA207146; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:46:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3754B6DD.E8C36BB@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:45:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Bruce Markowitz , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Need help with LCD problem... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince.. a used 755CE is about $200, including a good disply.. but the wearing parts are most likely just as worn.. (i.e. the cable) Vincent Poy wrote: > On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > I have a 755CDV. There is a grey line, 3/4" in width, running down the > > side of the screen. You can read through the line. External display > > works perfectly. > > Anyone have an idea as to what part may be bad? LCD itself, cable, video > > card or what? > > Thanks for any help! > > As Steve Andre would say, I'll bet that something in the > row/column addressing logic for the screen has died. If that is the case, > then looking at a new computer might not be that unreasonable, as a > replacement screen is rather expensive. Any one pixel can go into a > blown-open state but for a line of them, something in the controlling > logic has to go. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 02:18:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA27452 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21553; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:15:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21337; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21317; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp2.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:15:48 -0400 Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id XAA06032; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3754CC77.8AA37632@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:17:27 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Tan Wing Wah CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 560's References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Warren, Warren Tan Wing Wah wrote: > > Hi Benjamin, > > Thanks for your reply. The reason I only considered a 560 was because of > the weight and dimensions, I wanted something that I could just tote around > in a backpack, like a good book, and not think twice about matters like > "Should I bring it out today? The park is pretty far and this fella isn't > exactly very light..." It will also be my secondary system, I will have > access to a main souped-up overclocked Celery desktop most of the time. So > a network connection to a CD-ROM drive is never too far away. > The 560 is pretty big actually. It just happens to be thin. It's light for its size. Put it next to a Sony VAIO 505 or Toshiba 30xx or Sharp Actius, and the 560 looks huge. If you want something you automatically bring along, the ultralights are better. Closed, they're smaller than many paper notebooks. I think the magnesium construction is stronger too. The 560's screen flexes too much. However the 560 is miles ahead in usability because of the keyboard and (IMHO) the trackpoint. Toshibas have the similar Accupoint; the Sharp and Sonys have touchpads. Also the 560 has 2 stacked card slots; the Toshiba has 1 slot on each side while the Sharp and Sony have only one slot. Plus: all ports are onboard for the 560; not so for the rest. > My questions now: > > 1. How difficult is it to install Linux on a 560 with a good 3Com / Xircom > network card? > No experience with that, but others on the list can tell you. Make sure your card is on the supported list, or you won't even get started (mine wasn't). > 2. Those who have used both the 560 and 600 - how much worse off (in terms > of weight and dimensions) is the 600? > > 3. The 13.3" XGA screen sure looks appealing :) Is there a 233MMX model > with a 13.3" XGA screen? I don't need P2 here, trying to save $$, but HPA / > DSTN and anything non-TFT is definitely out! > The TP 600 with 13.3" XGA was only for P2 models. P233MMX had either 12.1" TFT or 13.0" HPA. In any case some owners have reported that HPA is easier to read in sunlight. The 560X has a TFT that is dimmer than the 770 or 600 series. Mine is near impossible to read in direct sunlight, and difficult even in indirect sunlight ie in a room with an open window in daytime. If you're going to use it outdoors, your best bet is a transreflective grayscale display... hard to find now. For color displays, the Sharp Actius and Panasonic Toughbooks have "sunlight-readable" TFT screens, or so they claim. > Hmm... or should I buy *two* laptops instead - say, a really cheap (about > $1000) basic Thinkpad 600, and get a *real* ultralite like the Toshiba 3010 > for those times I'm on the move? > If you have so much money, buy a loaded ultralight. Look on www.jpd.com or www.dynamism.com and buy the Panasonic A44E. P266MMX, 11.3" XGA, 3.5lbs with built-in CDROM. Too bad it costs $2899. Or the Hitachi Prius 220K - P266MMX, 10.4" SVGA, 3.2lbs with built-in CDROM for $2699. These will blow the usual ultralights away. If you only have $1000, buy the HPA TP600, or a Sony VAIO 505G. The TP is loaded - only minus is the HPA screen - but the VAIO is really small and light - but with an inferior keyboard. Benjamin From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 04:22:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA27998 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28155; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:19:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27958; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27945; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (204.201.18.52 -> lucy.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:19:48 -0400 Received: from seawesta-87.az.com (seawesta-87.az.com [204.201.18.87]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA03504 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:19:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199906020819.BAA03504@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Wed, 02 Jun 99 01:25:23 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP 365XD CD-ROM Problems List-Unsubscribe: Hello, My CD-ROM drive on my TP 365XD will not read *ANY* home burned CD. Not from my burner, not from anyone's. Not even Indelible Blue's WarpUp! CD. Would this be a sign of a CD-ROM going bad? I know others who have TP's (different models tho...) and their TP's have no problems reading CD-ROMs. Any ideas would be helpful. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 04:25:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA28011 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28482; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:23:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28377; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28363; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:23:41 -0400 Received: from 32.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.150.32]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990602082338.OSEU9941@32.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:23:38 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: Subject: Re: Thinkpad 560's Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:22:58 GMT Message-ID: <3756e801.144728914@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:59:05 +0800, "Warren Tan Wing Wah" wrote: >Thanks for your reply. The reason I only considered a 560 was because of >the weight and dimensions, I wanted something that I could just tote around >in a backpack, like a good book, and not think twice about matters like >"Should I bring it out today? The park is pretty far and this fella isn't >exactly very light..." It will also be my secondary system, I will have >access to a main souped-up overclocked Celery desktop most of the time. So >a network connection to a CD-ROM drive is never too far away. If you're looking for a satellite to a desktop system you can carry around all the time, I agree with Benjamin Koh - you should get whichever of the ultralights you prefer, like the Sony 505, Toshiba 3010/3015, or Actius. Especially if you're not power mad and can handle a 200 Mhz MMX system. Sony sells refurbed 505G models for $1050 or so with full warranty on their web site (http://www.ita.sel.sony.com/factory_outlet/). epbrown Skull: "We've got an unwritten rule that anyone who isn't earning his age in thousands is a loser. You're 33 and you only make 29 grand a year, so that means you've been a loser for..." Harvey: "...four years." Skull: "Exactly, and since we don't *hire* losers, I'm afraid..." -From the movie "Serial" From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 04:28:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA28035 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29071; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:27:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28893; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28880; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:27:20 -0400 Received: from 32.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.150.32]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990602082717.OSHX9941@32.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:27:17 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Need help with LCD problem... Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:26:37 GMT Message-ID: <3757ea41.145305224@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <3754B6DD.E8C36BB@icanect.net> In-Reply-To: <3754B6DD.E8C36BB@icanect.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:45:17 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >a used 755CE is about $200, including a good disply.. >but the wearing parts are most likely just as worn.. (i.e. the cable) And odds are Bruce won't want to invest more in this - I think he just got the system. This sounds like a unit someone was selling on comp.sys.laptops recently. epbrown Skull: "We've got an unwritten rule that anyone who isn't earning his age in thousands is a loser. You're 33 and you only make 29 grand a year, so that means you've been a loser for..." Harvey: "...four years." Skull: "Exactly, and since we don't *hire* losers, I'm afraid..." -From the movie "Serial" From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 07:32:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA28830 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09387; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:30:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09100; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09084; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906021129.HAA09084@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (129.71.2.4 -> wvnvm.wvnet.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:29:56 -0400 Received: from teapot [129.71.229.138] by WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Wed, 02 Jun 1999 07:32:09 EDT From: "Vrondi" To: robertm@az.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:19:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: TP 365XD CD-ROM Problems Reply-to: vrondi@nettaxi.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199906020819.BAA03504@www.az.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) List-Unsubscribe: Robert, take a deep breath. From: "LightSide" > Hello, > > My CD-ROM drive on my TP 365XD will not read *ANY* home burned CD. Not from my burner, not from > anyone's. Not even Indelible Blue's WarpUp! CD. Would this be a sign of a CD-ROM going bad? I know > others who have TP's (different models tho...) and their TP's have no problems reading CD-ROMs. Ok, the time I've had troubles with CD-ROM drives _not_ reading CD- Rs, it has been because the CD Drive trying to do the reading either: A: Has a dirty lens. The CD-Rs are apparently not as bight or something as a regular CD, so get a lens cleaner. Can't hurt it anyhow. b: Is a slightly older Drive and is slower. If the drive you are trying to read the disk on is slower than the speed the CDR disk was recorded at, then sometimes the disk can't be read. I've had big problems with CD-Rs recorded at 4x not playing on 2x CD-ROM drives. The solution I've found is to be sure and record CDs you're going to use on your older drive at 1x speed. So, don't panic _yet_. If you CD-ROM drive is reading normal CDs fine, then it's probably not dieing. //Chrys Amy Dean | Vrondi on EFNET IRC "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster; and when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." - Friedrich Nietzsc he From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 07:56:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA28936 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10869; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:54:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10737; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10724; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:54:47 -0400 Received: from 96.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.150.96]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990602115438.BALX15055@96.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:54:38 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Pass the salt - I've got some words to chew on! Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 11:53:57 GMT Message-ID: <37571382.155866683@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: In the interest of full disclosure, I've got a confession to make: In the past month, I've ordered TWO ThinkPads from DataPath technologies, using Onsale. Like everyone, I was well aware of the nightmare that dealing with DataPath can be, with slow shipping, lackluster service, and no included accessories whatsoever. My rationale was that I could handle most anything but a defective system (and I'd give them holy hell if I got one), and I had plenty of time if they shipped slowly, so what the heck? The thing is that I recently got a 701 for my collection of IBM subnotes >from eBay for about $300 with floppy drive and AC adapter (btw, how come these are so rare all of a sudden? They came with every unit!). My friend Annie with the IBM 500 was looking at it wistfully, and over the years she's finally started running into shortcomings with the 500 (lack of color and sound, really - I sent her a slideshow of a friend's wedding pictures and the effect on a VGA DSTN display wasn't very impressive.) Her birthday is in July, so I decided to see if I could snag a 701C cheaply somewhere on the net, and got one from DP via Onsale for $219, plus $32(!) shipping. The system was shipped FedEx about 4 days after I ordered it, and arrived with some huge AC adapter (not the little one I remember), a dead battery, no floppy, etc. I snagged a cable from IBM for the floppy (the drive for her 500 will work using it), I got a NiMH from Xtend for $36, and the 16MB RAM upgrade from www.thechipmerchant.com for $32 (I'd been planning on getting the 32MB for myself for $60, so I just got two of the 16MB chips instead). The laptop works perfectly and the case has just a couple of scuff marks. The keyboard looks brand new. It's running Windows 95 OSR2 happily, and seems like a pretty good deal overall. Seeing the 701 arrive okay, I ordered a 755 from them ($255 and $32 shipping). That arrived today and is in like new condition. The battery even works! Trying to get Windows 95 onto it (it locks up during the setup screen), but the system itself appears to be trouble free. This one's for an aunt of mine who asks me to let her go online with my Sony every single time I visit - hopefully her own laptop will put a stop to that! :-) Having been one of the folks who warned people off of DataPath, I figured I'd let others know when they've done okay. Of course, I had to wait until the bidding was over, but hey, it's the thought. epbrown PS: Does anyone have a source for the little leather portfolio cases >from Port for the 701? Her 500 has one and she loves tucking it into her backpack for school, and comparing the 701 to the 500 I've got makes me think it's not going to fit into her old one. The 701 is narrower but at least a half inch deeper. Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 08:02:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA28958 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11554; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:01:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11427; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11311; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:00:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:00:46 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (tempa31.bf.sover.net [207.136.202.31]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA10282 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906021200.IAA10282@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from tempa31.bf.sover.net [207.136.202.31] 207.136.202.31 Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 05:47:33 -0400 To: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Thinkpad 560's X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >2. Those who have used both the 560 and 600 - how much worse off (in >terms of weight and dimensions) is the 600? When I first got a 600 it seemed big compared to the 560 that I had been using for two years. Now after two months, the 560 screen is too small to feel comfortable. In objective terms the 600 weighs about one pound more, and an inch wider, and a 1/4 inch higher. The screen in the 600 is worth all the 'extra' size. I think the productivity that comes with the larger and much brighter screen is the value you have to look at. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 08:53:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA29166 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13892; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:50:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13753; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13739; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (209.185.123.18 -> mc-qout4.whowhere.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:50:47 -0400 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by my-deja.com; Wed Jun 2 05:50:38 1999 To: acidxice@adelphia.net Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 05:50:38 -0700 From: "Bruce Komar" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: PLZ unsubscribe me! 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From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 09:43:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA29496 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16670; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:38:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16326; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16312; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:38:50 -0400 Received: from richard (209-122-228-9.s263.tnt2.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.228.9]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id JAA05036; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990602084210.0095c220@pop.rcn.com> Message-Id: <4.1.19990602084210.0095c220@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 09:38:51 -0400 To: From: richard Subject: RE: Thinkpad 560's Cc: In-Reply-To: <199906021200.IAA10282@garnet.sover.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:47 AM 6/2/99 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >>2. Those who have used both the 560 and 600 - how much worse off (in >>terms of weight and dimensions) is the 600? > >When I first got a 600 it seemed big compared to the 560 that I had been >using for two years. Now after two months, the 560 screen is too small to >feel comfortable. In objective terms the 600 weighs about one pound more, >and an inch wider, and a 1/4 inch higher. > >The screen in the 600 is worth all the 'extra' size. I think the >productivity that comes with the larger and much brighter screen is the >value you have to look at. The screen on the 570 is the same size as the 600 screen, the 570 has a higher contrast ratio (150:1 v. 100:1) and the 570 is the same weight as the 560. I agree regarding the 560 - the screen has become too small and low resolution to feel comfortable. I think I've reached the end of the line in terms of screen size - 14" is too big to be portable for me. I suppose that the resolution could always be improved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 09:57:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA29644 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18089; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:54:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17860; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.jaring.my (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17840; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.jaring.my (192.228.128.12 -> relay2.jaring.my) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:54:25 -0400 Received: from Administrator (j28.ptl47.jaring.my [161.142.194.222]) by relay2.jaring.my (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA04632; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:53:47 +0800 (MYT) From: "Warren Tan Wing Wah" To: Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: Thinkpad 560's Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:53:52 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <199906021200.IAA10282@garnet.sover.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > When I first got a 600 it seemed big compared to the 560 that I had been > using for two years. Now after two months, the 560 screen is too small to > feel comfortable. In objective terms the 600 weighs about one pound more, > and an inch wider, and a 1/4 inch higher. > > The screen in the 600 is worth all the 'extra' size. I think the > productivity that comes with the larger and much brighter screen is the > value you have to look at. But many people would absolutely swear by those 10.4" screens on the Toshiba and Sony machines. So 12.1" is already huge in comparison! I know 13.3" gives you 1024x768, as much as my trusty 17" display, but isn't 12.1" already "worth the extra size", considering I was thinking about living with those 10.4" screens already? Tough, tough decisions... *sigh* :) Still back to whether I should: a) go all the way back down and get the smallest possible - either a Toshiba or a Sony, but live with the small screen and lousy keyboard as well as struggle with Linux b) go in-between with the Thinkpad 560, get a much larger screen, better keyboard, and better support for Linux c) go one step above, as suggested by many of you, with the 600, as "just" another 1/4 inch and 1 pound would give me so much more... Or divide my money into two, and get one a low end ultraportable AND a really low end 600... !!! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 10:45:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00235 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21660; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:41:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21457; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21443; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:41:53 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-143.gate.net [199.227.20.206]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA238910; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:43:23 -0400 Message-ID: <375542A3.C96801AC@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:41:39 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Emanuel Brown CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Pass the salt - I've got some words to chew on! References: <37571382.155866683@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Lets all cheer for datapath technologies.. they finally sold something that is close to whats advertised.. lets all now support these crooks and make their past indiscretions evaporate.. lets all now buy beat up or good but old machines from the crooks in new york.. Emanuel Brown wrote: > In the interest of full disclosure, I've got a confession to make: In > the past month, I've ordered TWO ThinkPads from DataPath technologies, > using Onsale. > Like everyone, I was well aware of the nightmare that dealing with > DataPath can be, with slow shipping, lackluster service, and no included > **SNIP** > Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 > Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html > Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 10:57:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00386 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22992; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:55:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22828; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22804; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (142.90.100.1 -> erich.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:55:07 -0400 Received: from peter ([142.90.100.92]) by erich.triumf.ca with SMTP; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 7:54:05 -0700 From: "peter machule" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Emanuel Brown" Cc: Subject: Re: Pass the salt - I've got some words to chew on! Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:52:36 -0700 Message-ID: <01bead07$8e8352e0$5c645a8e@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Just a little miffed with them are we Bill ? (grin) DataPath seems to have the market on older TP 's . Ugh. They did finally replace my rather beat up 701C with a less beat up one . The new one's battery doesn't work . ;-{ It came with a much smaller / cuter power supply . They finally after much #$%#$ shipped me the promised MuliPort II . It is brocken and not fixable .......... They are looking for a replacement, but nothing yet . Peter Machule BTW www.onsale.com has 701 type 32MB for $58 NET ! This is through their " atcost" section . Memory works fine . >Lets all cheer for datapath technologies.. >they finally sold something that is close to whats advertised.. >lets all now support these crooks and make their past indiscretions evaporate.. >lets all now buy beat up or good but old machines from the crooks in new york.. > > >Emanuel Brown wrote: > >> In the interest of full disclosure, I've got a confession to make: In >> the past month, I've ordered TWO ThinkPads from DataPath technologies, >> using Onsale. >> Like everyone, I was well aware of the nightmare that dealing with >> DataPath can be, with slow shipping, lackluster service, and no included >> > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 10:59:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00418 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23583; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:57:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23232; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23146; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:56:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA09861 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:56:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:56:51 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 701 Battery Problem In-Reply-To: <37547977.116430421@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Emanuel Brown wrote: > On Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:00:13 -0700, jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) > wrote: > >This may be a task for RESETBAT.EXE also > >known as 701RESET.EXE. > > I've got a copy of that. Isn't it for use when your 701 won't > acknowledge when the battery is drained so it won't charge? This sounds > like a different situation to me. > epbrown Yup. I had to return my 701 for service when this happened, and they replaced the charging circuitry. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 13:29:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02513 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00982; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:29:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00473; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00452; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:29:08 -0400 Received: from 211.chicago-11-12rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.152.211]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990602162904.LAGC3391@211.chicago-11-12rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:29:04 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Pass the salt - I've got some words to chew on! Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:28:23 GMT Message-ID: <3756532f.8684573@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <37571382.155866683@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <375542A3.C96801AC@icanect.net> In-Reply-To: <375542A3.C96801AC@icanect.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:41:39 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Lets all cheer for datapath technologies.. >they finally sold something that is close to whats advertised.. >lets all now support these crooks and make their past indiscretions evaporate.. >lets all now buy beat up or good but old machines from the crooks in new york.. Yes, lets! That's exactly what I meant, and I'm glad you caught on to that. And I've got another idea! Let's only complain about resellers, rather than mention any positive experiences. Gee, so Shakespeare wasn't the only Bill with a keen grasp of melodrama, huh? And what's wrong with "good but old?" I hope to achieve that myself some day! epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 13:30:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02524 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00978; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:29:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00566; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00506; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:29:41 -0400 Received: from 211.chicago-11-12rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.152.211]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990602162931.LAJQ3391@211.chicago-11-12rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:29:31 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 560's Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:28:49 GMT Message-ID: <37585815.9938553@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:53:52 +0800, "Warren Tan Wing Wah" wrote: >But many people would absolutely swear by those 10.4" screens on the Toshiba >and Sony machines. So 12.1" is already huge in comparison! I know 13.3" >gives you 1024x768, as much as my trusty 17" display, but isn't 12.1" >already "worth the extra size", considering I was thinking about living with >those 10.4" screens already? I'm cool with my Sony's 10.4" display at SVGA, but from what I've read on comp.sys.laptops and here, I'm in the minority. To me, it's more the data display than the display size, and I personally would prefer displays run like this: 10.4" - 800x600 11.3" and 12.1" - 1024x768 13.3 and up - 1280x 1020 (or whatever SXGA is) IMO, this provides the sharpest image with the available real estate. It absolutely kills me how many people are raving about the 15" display on the Dell i7k when it's only 1024x768 - that's like gloating over having a 10.4" or 12.1" 640x480 screen! epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 14:02:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02879 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07118; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:58:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06771; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06757; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:58:46 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-189.usc.edu [128.125.223.189]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id KAA22284; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990602105011.02a19580@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:57:50 -0700 To: "Warren Tan Wing Wah" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: Thinkpad 560's In-Reply-To: References: <199906021200.IAA10282@garnet.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:53 PM 6/2/99 +0800, you wrote: >Still back to whether I should: > >a) go all the way back down and get the smallest possible - either a Toshiba >or a Sony, but live with the small screen and lousy keyboard as well as >struggle with Linux >b) go in-between with the Thinkpad 560, get a much larger screen, better >keyboard, and better support for Linux >c) go one step above, as suggested by many of you, with the 600, as "just" >another 1/4 inch and 1 pound would give me so much more... > >Or divide my money into two, and get one a low end ultraportable AND a >really low end 600... !!! I can't imagine running around with 2 laptops. What a nightmare to keep everything organized between your total of 3 machines! If you're looking for a true satellite-type machine (meaning you only need portability, as your "real" work is on a home-base kind of desktop machine), then (to me at least) the choice should be clear: Get as small and as light a machine that you can nevertheless still be comfortable with, and still has the minimum features you will need. In an ideal world, for me that would mean something really small--I saw a Sony PCG-01 (I think that's the model) that I could just *die* for. It was a meager 3 lbs. or less and had a 90% size keyboard, USB, Firewire, Modem, and PC Card slot, along with a 1024x468 screen and a built-in camera for video capture. *Really* cool and yet functional--4 GB HD, 233 (266?) MHz Pentium. *That* to me is a fabulous little machine that doesn't compromise very much at all. Win CE machines, on the other hand, have similar size, but...well, they suck. I won't go into why. But alas, my world is a bit more complicated. I do presentations of a software product on my machine and basically require SVGA resolution and a CD-ROM drive. If not for this simple fact, I would knock down to this tiny minimalist machine from Sony and use it for all my travelling, hooking up by Ethernet PC Card to my desktop machine to synch-up when I got home. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 17:01:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA04972 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20119; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:56:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19844; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19814; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:56:46 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-143.gate.net [199.227.20.206]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA254404; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:58:18 -0400 Message-ID: <37559A83.E343192@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:56:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Emanuel Brown CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Pass the salt - I've got some words to chew on! References: <37571382.155866683@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <375542A3.C96801AC@icanect.net> <3756532f.8684573@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: and hitler turned over a new leaf, governed germany for 20 years without killing another jew, retired and is now an elder statesman, saddam is working on orphanages in baghdad and SLOBodan has given the kosovar albanians the right to vote as long as they can prove they are who they think they are.. they said the thing was refurbished, they were lying..! i would continue to bedevil them until they gave me whatr i paid for, but i have better things to do than try to make a liar admit the lie and make good.. Emanuel Brown wrote: > On Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:41:39 -0400, Bill Morrow > wrote: > >Lets all cheer for datapath technologies.. > >they finally sold something that is close to whats advertised.. > >lets all now support these crooks and make their past indiscretions evaporate.. > >lets all now buy beat up or good but old machines from the crooks in new york.. > > Yes, lets! That's exactly what I meant, and I'm glad you caught on to > that. And I've got another idea! Let's only complain about resellers, > rather than mention any positive experiences. > Gee, so Shakespeare wasn't the only Bill with a keen grasp of melodrama, > huh? And what's wrong with "good but old?" I hope to achieve that myself > some day! > epbrown > Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 > Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html > Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 17:32:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA05340 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22265; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:30:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22038; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22024; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (140.142.77.10 -> jason03.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:29:55 -0400 Received: from dante41.u.washington.edu (ranger5@dante41.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.201]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id OAA12804; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:29:52 -0700 Received: from localhost (ranger5@localhost) by dante41.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id OAA19608; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:29:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:29:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Kokaly" To: Bill Morrow cc: Emanuel Brown , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Pass the salt - I've got some words to chew on! In-Reply-To: <37559A83.E343192@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: If I could, Most people agree that once a reference to hitler is made, the argument has completely devolved unless said people are discussing hitler or some other dictator. Thanks, Matt On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > and hitler turned over a new leaf, governed germany for 20 years without killing > another jew, retired and is now an elder statesman, saddam is working on orphanages > in baghdad and SLOBodan has given the kosovar albanians the right to vote as long as > they can prove they are who they think they are.. > > they said the thing was refurbished, they were lying..! > > i would continue to bedevil them until they gave me whatr i paid for, but i have > better things to do than try to make a liar admit the lie and make good.. > > Emanuel Brown wrote: > > > On Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:41:39 -0400, Bill Morrow > > wrote: > > >Lets all cheer for datapath technologies.. > > >they finally sold something that is close to whats advertised.. > > >lets all now support these crooks and make their past indiscretions evaporate.. > > >lets all now buy beat up or good but old machines from the crooks in new york.. > > > > Yes, lets! That's exactly what I meant, and I'm glad you caught on to > > that. And I've got another idea! Let's only complain about resellers, > > rather than mention any positive experiences. > > Gee, so Shakespeare wasn't the only Bill with a keen grasp of melodrama, > > huh? And what's wrong with "good but old?" I hope to achieve that myself > > some day! > > epbrown > > Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 > > Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html > > Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 18:25:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05968 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25033; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:23:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24865; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sl001.infi.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24851; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sl001.infi.net (205.219.238.210 -> sl001.infi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:22:57 -0400 Received: from infi.net (jim@pm4-1-39.orf.infi.net [209.97.8.39]) by sl001.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04821; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Sender: jim@sl001.infi.net Message-ID: <3755AEFF.A13AF181@infi.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:23:59 -0400 From: Jim Biggerstaff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Emanuel Brown CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Pass the salt - I've got some words to chew on! References: <37571382.155866683@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Emanuel Brown wrote: > In the interest of full disclosure, I've got a confession to make: In > the past month, I've ordered TWO ThinkPads from DataPath technologies, > using Onsale. > I got a 755C from Data Path about 6 months ago - it was "like new" except that the battery was dead, as expected. It has been a very useful machine, especially after I put a 4 GB hard drive in it. If you are careful about what programs you use and limit background processes an old 486 laptop can provide decent performance. About 18 months ago I got a 720 from DataPath, it was very amusing. It still had all the programs and data from the previous owner, very uninteresting stuff from a traveling auditor for Radio Shack. The machine was in decent condition. Just another data point or maybe two. jim From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 18:29:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA06020 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25576; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:26:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25420; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25407; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:26:40 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-143.gate.net [199.227.20.206]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA227412; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:28:09 -0400 Message-ID: <3755AF91.1B849C58@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:26:25 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "M. Kokaly" CC: Emanuel Brown , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Pass the salt - I've got some words to chew on! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: okok, i'll get off my pulpit and stop with the bombast.. and merely fulminat a bit more when the mood strikes me.. :-) M. Kokaly wrote: > If I could, > > Most people agree that once a reference to hitler is made, the argument > has completely devolved unless said people are discussing hitler or some > other dictator. > > Thanks, > > Matt > > On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > and hitler turned over a new leaf, governed germany for 20 years without killing > > another jew, retired and is now an elder statesman, saddam is working on orphanages > > in baghdad and SLOBodan has given the kosovar albanians the right to vote as long as > > they can prove they are who they think they are.. > > > > they said the thing was refurbished, they were lying..! > > > > i would continue to bedevil them until they gave me whatr i paid for, but i have > > better things to do than try to make a liar admit the lie and make good.. > > > > Emanuel Brown wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:41:39 -0400, Bill Morrow > > > wrote: > > > >Lets all cheer for datapath technologies.. > > > >they finally sold something that is close to whats advertised.. > > > >lets all now support these crooks and make their past indiscretions evaporate.. > > > >lets all now buy beat up or good but old machines from the crooks in new york.. > > > > > > Yes, lets! That's exactly what I meant, and I'm glad you caught on to > > > that. And I've got another idea! Let's only complain about resellers, > > > rather than mention any positive experiences. > > > Gee, so Shakespeare wasn't the only Bill with a keen grasp of melodrama, > > > huh? And what's wrong with "good but old?" I hope to achieve that myself > > > some day! > > > epbrown > > > Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 > > > Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html > > > Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > > on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 19:16:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06493 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28143; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:13:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27782; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27760; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906022313.TAA27760@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (129.71.2.4 -> wvnvm.wvnet.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:13:03 -0400 Received: from teapot [129.71.229.145] by WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:15:16 EDT From: "Vrondi" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:02:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Laptop Anti-Virus? Reply-to: vrondi@nettaxi.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) List-Unsubscribe: Hello everyone. i've just purchased a used Thinkpad 755CD. Now, I'm thinking of what programs I want to carry on the road, and I got to Anti-virus software. I already have McAfee VirusScan 4 on my desktop. But since this laptop is a 486, I was thinking McAfee might be afwully slow on it. Does anyone have a virus program to recommend that uses few system resources? And what about Freeware/Shareware ones? Any of them worht bothering with? //Chrys Amy Dean | Vrondi on EFNET IRC "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster; and when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." - Friedrich Nietzsc he From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 19:38:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06632 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29485; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:34:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29205; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29189; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:34:03 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.18.229]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990602233359.YQSN3239@770>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:33:59 +0000 Message-ID: <3755BF61.5D8C@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:33:53 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "M. Kokaly" CC: Bill Morrow , Emanuel Brown , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Pass the salt - I've got some words to chew on! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My favorite reference to Hitler is the bumper sticker I saw on a Vietnam Vets car: I'LL FORGIVE JANE FONDA WHEN THE JEWS FORGIVE HITLER Of course, with the turn the cheek attitude of some of my more liberal lansmen, that may already have happened! M. Kokaly wrote: > > If I could, > > Most people agree that once a reference to hitler is made, the argument > has completely devolved unless said people are discussing hitler or some > other dictator. > > Thanks, > > Matt > > On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > and hitler turned over a new leaf, governed germany for 20 years without killing > > another jew, retired and is now an elder statesman, saddam is working on orphanages > > in baghdad and SLOBodan has given the kosovar albanians the right to vote as long as > > they can prove they are who they think they are.. > > > > they said the thing was refurbished, they were lying..! > > > > i would continue to bedevil them until they gave me whatr i paid for, but i have > > better things to do than try to make a liar admit the lie and make good.. > > > > Emanuel Brown wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:41:39 -0400, Bill Morrow > > > wrote: > > > >Lets all cheer for datapath technologies.. > > > >they finally sold something that is close to whats advertised.. > > > >lets all now support these crooks and make their past indiscretions evaporate.. > > > >lets all now buy beat up or good but old machines from the crooks in new york.. > > > > > > Yes, lets! That's exactly what I meant, and I'm glad you caught on to > > > that. And I've got another idea! Let's only complain about resellers, > > > rather than mention any positive experiences. > > > Gee, so Shakespeare wasn't the only Bill with a keen grasp of melodrama, > > > huh? And what's wrong with "good but old?" I hope to achieve that myself > > > some day! > > > epbrown > > > Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 > > > Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html > > > Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > > on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 19:39:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06643 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29859; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:38:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29555; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29542; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:38:06 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.18.229]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990602233803.YSNQ3239@770>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:38:03 +0000 Message-ID: <3755C056.5B6A@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:37:58 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vrondi@nettaxi.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Laptop Anti-Virus? References: <199906022313.TAA27760@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: More important is to have a startup disk with a virus scanner on it. That can save your a.. when on the road. I never keep anti-virus software active in Windows, as it inevitably causes more problems than it is worth. Practice safe computing (wear a condom), don't accept any attachemnts unless you are expecting them, and have that virus scanner handy! Vrondi wrote: > > Hello everyone. i've just purchased a used Thinkpad 755CD. > Now, I'm thinking of what programs I want to carry on the road, > and I got to Anti-virus software. I already have McAfee VirusScan 4 > on my desktop. But since this laptop is a 486, I was thinking McAfee > might be afwully slow on it. > Does anyone have a virus program to recommend that uses few system > resources? > And what about Freeware/Shareware ones? Any of them worht > bothering with? > > //Chrys Amy Dean | Vrondi on EFNET IRC > "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process > he does not become a monster; and when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." - Friedrich Nietzsc > he From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 19:58:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06827 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01086; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:57:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00982; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00966; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:56:53 -0400 Received: from cia-g.com (a34.pm3-14.theriver.com [208.164.96.50]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA09880; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:56:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3755C3E7.19D2A27B@cia-g.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 17:53:11 -0600 From: Ray Bayles Organization: Picture Rock Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David W. Taylor" CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: *OT* High Quality Desktop... References: <008701bea858$e41d0c90$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have had excellent luck with my IBM Intellistations in various configurations... and with the IBM Netfinity's... The cheaper ones are just your average cheap computer... Love those Intellistations... 266, 400 and 450... all extremely well built and all set up for either scsi or eide. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 20:16:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA06951 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02417; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:14:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02150; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02137; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (204.182.16.2 -> tdl.tdl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:14:53 -0400 Received: from chuck (tdl-dyn231.tdl.com [205.162.12.231]) by tdl.tdl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA18398 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:14:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199906030014.RAA18398@tdl.tdl.com> From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:14:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Laptop Anti-Virus? Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199906022313.TAA27760@CS.UTK.EDU> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) List-Unsubscribe: On 2 Jun 99, at 19:02, Vrondi wrote: > Hello everyone. i've just purchased a used Thinkpad 755CD. > Now, I'm thinking of what programs I want to carry on the road, > and I got to Anti-virus software. I already have McAfee VirusScan 4 > on my desktop. But since this laptop is a 486, I was thinking McAfee > might be afwully slow on it. > Does anyone have a virus program to recommend that uses few system > resources? > And what about Freeware/Shareware ones? Any of them worht > bothering with? > There is a fully functional version of Symantec's Anti-Virus program available from http://www.ded.com/nonags/av32.html It's free and it's updated regularly. Is not the system hog that newer ones are. You'll want to get the av-data updates from that site. > //Chrys Amy Dean | Vrondi on EFNET IRC > "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process > he does not become a monster; and when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." - Friedrich Nietzsc > he > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 2 22:31:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA07913 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07813; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:30:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07685; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07670; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.105 -> pilot005.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:30:05 -0400 Received: from andres (port31.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.32]) by pilot005.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA49906 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:30:00 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990602223221.008cc810@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 22:32:21 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Laptop Anti-Virus? In-Reply-To: <3755C056.5B6A@worldnet.att.net> References: <199906022313.TAA27760@CS.UTK.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: What I tell my users to do when they complain about the slowness of anti-viral software is to disable it except for when they're getting something foreign. In that case they can fire up McAfee and do whatever. If its on the disk already, AND you fire it up before getting the new object you'll be safe. So far, my users who have laptops have been diligent about that and have been OK. I am fairly impressed with McAfee--they've been atop of things, usually right along or a little ahead of the others from the last couple of times I tested things. I've had good luck with McAfee not messing up other programs in win95. I have 98 on my tp i 1451 and so far it seems OK there, too. Given how awful getting a virus can be, I'd say stay away from the freebies. It's chesp enough for the real things to make even one attack worth the cost. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 07:37 PM 6/2/99 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >More important is to have a startup disk with a virus scanner on it. >That can save your a.. when on the road. I never keep anti-virus >software active in Windows, as it inevitably causes more problems than >it is worth. >Practice safe computing (wear a condom), don't accept any attachemnts >unless you are expecting them, and have that virus scanner handy! > >Vrondi wrote: >> >> Hello everyone. i've just purchased a used Thinkpad 755CD. >> Now, I'm thinking of what programs I want to carry on the road, >> and I got to Anti-virus software. I already have McAfee VirusScan 4 >> on my desktop. But since this laptop is a 486, I was thinking McAfee >> might be afwully slow on it. >> Does anyone have a virus program to recommend that uses few system >> resources? >> And what about Freeware/Shareware ones? Any of them worht >> bothering with? >> >> //Chrys Amy Dean | Vrondi on EFNET IRC >> "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process >> he does not become a monster; and when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." - Friedrich Nietzsc >> he > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 03:36:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA10125 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 03:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23884; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 03:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 03:31:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23099; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 03:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23085; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 03:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (204.201.18.52 -> lucy.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 03:30:56 -0400 Received: from seawesta-79.az.com (seawesta-79.az.com [204.201.18.79]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA03544 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:30:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199906030730.AAA03544@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Thu, 03 Jun 99 00:36:32 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: TP 365XD CD-ROM Problems List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:15:59 -0400, Eric D. Gottlieb wrote: >Hi, > >For what it's worth, I use home-burned CD-ROMs in my 365XD all the time. I >have never tried to use a CD-RW, though, and suspect that it would NOT read >these... It's just a CD-R. But thanks for the information. Sounds like my lens might be dirty..maybe. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 03:40:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA10152 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 03:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25820; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 03:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 03:37:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25328; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 03:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25222; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 03:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (204.201.18.52 -> lucy.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 03:37:18 -0400 Received: from seawesta-79.az.com (seawesta-79.az.com [204.201.18.79]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA04147 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:37:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199906030737.AAA04147@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Thu, 03 Jun 99 00:42:56 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 365XD CD-ROM Problems List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:19:48 -0400, Vrondi wrote: >Ok, the time I've had troubles with CD-ROM drives _not_ reading CD- >Rs, it has been because the CD Drive trying to do the reading either: >A: Has a dirty lens. The CD-Rs are apparently not as bight or >something as a regular CD, so get a lens cleaner. Can't hurt it >anyhow. True it can't hurt. I'll try that. >b: Is a slightly older Drive and is slower. > If the drive you are trying to read the disk on is slower than the >speed the CDR disk was recorded at, then sometimes the disk can't be >read. I've had big problems with CD-Rs recorded at 4x not playing on >2x CD-ROM drives. The solution I've found is to be sure and record >CDs you're going to use on your older drive at 1x speed. I don't know how old the CD-ROM drive is. However, it is a 4x CD-ROM and my burner is only a 2x write/ 4x read. But I'll try one more at 1x. Ya never know. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 08:04:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA11123 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10919; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:02:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10762; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10749; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:02:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA15496; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 05:02:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 05:02:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Donald Mak , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: <3754B26C.A2390D9D@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > the cables were about $35 each last time i looked.. > they are the same cable as used on the 755CD, 760CD, 760ED, 765, etc., et al., > FRU P/N is 85G1897 $35 each? It doesn't seem like the cables are worth anything more than a few dollars since regardless of how they are made, they still aren't true 75 Ohm impedence cables. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 08:14:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA11153 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11660; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:12:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11530; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.jaring.my (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11517; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.jaring.my (192.228.128.12 -> relay2.jaring.my) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:12:02 -0400 Received: from Administrator (j49.ptl40.jaring.my [161.142.116.183]) by relay2.jaring.my (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA01807 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:11:55 +0800 (MYT) From: "Warren Tan Wing Wah" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Which PCMCIA card? Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:12:01 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I'm planning on running Red Hat Linux 6.0 on a Thinkpad 560, without a CD-ROM drive. Hence, a good pcmcia ethernet card is essential - which one should I go for? I need one that _definitely_ works with Linux, 98 and NT. Looking at eBay, a used 3Com / Xircom (I'm only considering these two brands) goes for about $60, not too bad. Alternatively, is there a site somewhere I can look up the driver support for these cards? Also, any idea which modem card I should use? Or which combo card? Thanks in advance, Warren From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 08:16:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA11172 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12110; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:13:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11843; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11786; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:13:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA15538; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 05:12:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 05:12:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: <3754B5E6.600B1869@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Bill and everyone, > > If IBM doesn't make their own memory, then how can their memory be > > any better than the other out there as they claim? > > its not..! After I heard about the warranty from you and everyone, it sure doesn't seem like it. > > > kingston is good (i think toshiba bought kingston).. > > > > Oh okay, but it seems like Kingston wasn't well known until the > > last few years. It seems before, the only good memory were from Micron, > > Motorola, OKI, NEC, SIEMENS, TI, Samsung and the best thing was like > > Toshiba. The funny thing is my TP385ED actually has IBM memory on the > > motherboard. > > IBM used to be well known for bum memory chips..or so i was told by a > friend who bought and sold ram chips.. When you meant bum, you meant like low quality chips right? I know NMBS is a brand that absolutely sucks and the chip is slower than it's rated at. > > Does Apricorn make their own memory or do they just buy the chips > > from other vendors and build the modules? > > Apricorn and most others buy the chips, then design the little > boards...there is an eprom on the board too.. Hmmm, so even Crucial does the same thing too? I always thought Crucial would just use the memory that is made by Micron or is Crucial just a part of Micron that doesn't even use Micron chips? > > > viking is OK too, but the last time i got a 128meg part from them > > > (recently) they still had parts that would not fit the 770X and Z due > > > to the way ibm changed the second dimm socket.. > > > > Hmmm, I thought the DIMM sockets were all standard. Ofcourse, I > > did notice that one socket was made by Molex and one isn't. > > on the 770-1AU and 770ED, the DIMM sockets are oriented in the same > direction, the 770X and 770Z has one of the DIMM sockets "flipped" > over, thus the former upside of the DIMM now was on the boddom and the > eprom interfered with the side of the DIMM socket..this little "bug" > took about 6 weeks to get 'fixed' with > goldenram.. I never noticed that one of the socket was upside down since I did take out the memory and put it back in except it's hard to tell which slot is which. > got some viking 128meg parts 2 months ago, and they were still using > this older desing.. > they were not so interested in my help or comments, so i sent it back > and got the goldenram.. How did they fix it so the chip will work in both slots correctly since if it's fixed for the upside down socket, wouldn't it have a problem with the other slot? > Viking had the very first 64meg parts for the 770 when it first came out..they > are a good company, but getting a bit too bnig and diversified, i think.. Yeah, I heard of Viking for memory but never got my hands on any. The guy sold me NEC instead when it was supposed to be Viking a year ago. Viking didn't seem to make anything else besides memory and now they have like modems too. > > > in short, get anything but crucial.. > > > > I guess Micron quality must have gone down or something. I always > > thought they manufactured their own memory since they were the ones who > > invented SyncBurst or Pipeline Burst Caching as we would call it for > > Pentium and higher machines. > > this is what i was told..micron does make their own chips, but chips > are not the total picture.. > engineering the board and mfg. is a large component of the eventual quality.. I guess their quality really has gone down then. When SyncBurst or Pieline Burst Caching first came out for the pentium, you had to buy it >from Micron since their motherboards from Micronics had them. > > > i think ibm WILL do a hot swap on memory if you give them a CC #, but > > > so will most.. > > > > I never had experience of bad memory before so I don't know how > > they usually do the exchange for a warranty claim. I just thought that > > with IBM, they will ship you everything that a user can change as long as > > it's approved for the machine. Speaking about IBM, I did get the Enhanced > > DVD Video adapter option and for some reason, there are still lots of > > artifacts for DVD's and then does anyone know what each port is used for > > since the manuals doesn't seem to say anything about them or where I can > > get the cables for video and audio. > > i identified each port..video in, out and dolby i think.. > my enh. video works fine.. no problem.. Actually, thanks to Donald. It seems like the 770ED Quick-start mentions the card while the 770Z one doesn't. > > > i do it for my old customers who i know... > > > > Oh okay, thanks for sharing your experience. Really appreciate > > it. Seems like something in the Preload of Windows98 on the 770Z really > > drains resources fast. > > i have not experienced this..tight now i'm running the standard preload on a > 3.2gig drive with office 2000 beta.. > using front page 2000 to redesign thinkpads.com.. > the supplied 14gig drive has voice type exec on it.. and the standard preload.. > did a restore to one of my 14gig drives and did all the usual things with the > DVD and no artifacts or anything wrong at all... > no problems with any of these.. > > i know, i know, now you want to know "why the 3.2gig drive"..?? > well, they're cheap, fast enough, and i like to play.. why use a 14gig or 10gig > just to experiment..?! > > :-) Hehe, atleast 3.2 gigs is still better than that 2.1 gig I have in the 385ED still.. The only problem I'm experiencing is when the system starts up, there is 80% free GDI resources, and 18% each on System and User resources. It has something to do with the preload or the IBM/Intel Lan Desk Management. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 09:14:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11535 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15539; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:12:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15314; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15292; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:12:11 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-451.gate.net [199.227.173.197]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA104990; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:13:46 -0400 Message-ID: <37567F23.238CA3BC@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 09:12:03 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Donald Mak , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i'm only reporting, not judging.. :-) i tend to agree on cable pricing.. FYI: the external floppy cable for the 560 is $16, same cable for a 770 (about 8 inches longer) is $80+ ! the video cable is nothing more than the tiny plug on one end and two sockets on the other.. (I disassembled one) Vincent Poy wrote: > On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > the cables were about $35 each last time i looked.. > > they are the same cable as used on the 755CD, 760CD, 760ED, 765, etc., et al., > > FRU P/N is 85G1897 > > $35 each? It doesn't seem like the cables are worth > anything more than a few dollars since regardless of how they are made, > they still aren't true 75 Ohm impedence cables. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 09:35:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11717 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17194; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:33:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16942; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16926; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:32:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA15980; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 06:32:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 06:32:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Donald Mak , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: <37567F23.238CA3BC@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > i'm only reporting, not judging.. :-) > > i tend to agree on cable pricing.. FYI: the external floppy cable for > the 560 is $16, same cable for a 770 (about 8 inches longer) is $80+ > ! Wow, I always know that for cable, it's usually the connectors that make up most of the costs and the actual wire wasn't supposed to be expensive. > the video cable is nothing more than the tiny plug on one end and two > sockets on the other.. (I disassembled one) Yep, but I wonder how they can do the S-Video part since the input is only 3 pins while the S-Video is 4 pins. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 09:40:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11789 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12724; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:15:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12256; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12114; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:14:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA15552; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 05:14:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 05:14:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Warren Tan Wing Wah cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Which PCMCIA card? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Warren Tan Wing Wah wrote: > I'm planning on running Red Hat Linux 6.0 on a Thinkpad 560, without a > CD-ROM drive. Hence, a good pcmcia ethernet card is essential - which one > should I go for? I need one that _definitely_ works with Linux, 98 and NT. > > Looking at eBay, a used 3Com / Xircom (I'm only considering these two > brands) goes for about $60, not too bad. > > Alternatively, is there a site somewhere I can look up the driver support > for these cards? You should probably look at the LinkSys since they seem to have native FreeBSD and Linux support and it's even mentioned on their webpage. > Also, any idea which modem card I should use? Or which combo card? Modem card, probably the Xircom... or the LinkSys. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 10:21:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA12200 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23582; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:17:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23270; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23230; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:17:32 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-451.gate.net [199.227.173.197]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA205142; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:19:09 -0400 Message-ID: <37568E75.DE8A79C6@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 10:17:25 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Wennersten CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Question on non-IBM memory upgrade for I-series References: <11521394600098@wineasy.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Peter.. Peter Wennersten wrote: > >From the recent discussion about memory upgrades I conclude that as far as > prestanda goes it would be OK to get memory from a third party vendor such > as Viking or Kingston. > Apricorn (thinkpad proven), Kingston, Viking, Goldenram (IBM Approved), Paragon and when these crappy parts are gone, even Micron..\i NEVER would get memory >from Simple, because their warranty expires when you dial their telephone number.. :-)okok, so its not like that, but no receipt, no warrany.. with all the others its lifetime, no questions, with my customers (especially those i know from earlier business) i arrange for a hot swap... since i have a great rapport with goldenram and apricorn i can usually get more done when replacing those than viking or paragon (which i have not sold for some time)... > But since the discussion referred to 770:s and as I am a newbie I would like > to ask if there is any reason why the above would not apply to an I-series? > nope.. > Also, is the warranty for the machine I bought (before upgrading it myself) > affected in any way by me putting non-IBM memory in the machine? What > triggers my question is the below (which I don't quite understand) > nope..especially if you use Apricorn or Goldenram.. there was a tiome when IBM was really pissed at Kingston.. they sold a BUNCH of parts that got too hot and burned up more than a few 760CD boards that IBM had to replace, before kingston and ibm figuered out what the cause was.. then kingston replaced everything with no complaint.. thats why i'm sad i can't get kingston at a good price (they sell only through distributors)... > Thanks for any help on this matter. > > Peter Wennersten > > .....snip...... > > > > >> > i think ibm WILL do a hot swap on memory if you give them a CC #, but > >> > so will most.. > >> > >> I never had experience of bad memory before so I don't know how > >> they usually do the exchange for a warranty claim. I just thought that > >> with IBM, they will ship you everything that a user can change as long as > >> it's approved for the machine. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 10:35:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA12314 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26292; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:32:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26133; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26120; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:32:18 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-451.gate.net [199.227.173.197]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA92804; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:33:43 -0400 Message-ID: <375691DF.BB58A9FF@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 10:32:00 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > Bill and everyone, > > > > After I heard about the warranty from you and everyone, it sure > > > doesn't seem like it. > > > > > > > :-)NOW you know.. > > in fact, when the 770-1AU came out, the IBM 64meg parts did not work > > right, only the Viking worked and no one else had any... > > Actually, reading that last line is humourous since IBM's own > option won't work in their machines. :-) IBM did not share your amusement at that time.. :-) > > > > > When you meant bum, you meant like low quality chips right? I > > > know NMBS is a brand that absolutely sucks and the chip is slower than > > > it's rated at. > > > > low quality, slow, high drop out rate, i don't know..only was told > > that these (raw) chips were not highly respected.. > > Yeah, you're right. I know they made chips but they certainly > weren't popular.. > > > > Hmmm, so even Crucial does the same thing too? I always thought > > > Crucial would just use the memory that is made by Micron or is Crucial > > > just a part of Micron that doesn't even use Micron chips? > > > > apparently crucial is part of micron who does make their own chips and > > who brought action against offshore chip makers for dumping..whis is > > the reason chip prices are expected to rise very soon.. > > Oh okay, so that's what they meant by dumping. > dumping = selling below cost to capture a market..(sorta like the browser wars) > > > I never noticed that one of the socket was upside down since I did > > > take out the memory and put it back in except it's hard to tell which slot > > > is which. > > > > when one does this frequently (i usually test run memory i sell when i > > have that particular machine here) I notice the variations..770X and Z > > are quite different from 770-1AU and 770ED.. > > Yep, it's probably totally different inside as well. Even the > servicer was surprised that the 770Z was modular while the older 770's he > serviced weren't as modular. > the new machines also appear to have the system memory in a DIMM socket..i need to learn if the 64meg part can be changed to a 128meg part, then two 128meg parts added to the two expansion sockets, theu 128 + 128 + 128 = 384megs.. ?! :-) > > > How did they fix it so the chip will work in both slots correctly > > > since if it's fixed for the upside down socket, wouldn't it have a problem > > > with the other slot? > > > > no, they changed the eprom and moved it slightly..it was only a small > > thing, but if you can't snap the DIMM down on both sides, its got to > > be fixed... > > Ah, so it's just the position of where the eprom chip is. > yup..simple, but significant..! > > viking is expanding..theres a whole lot less $$ in it these days.. > > and viking has debt, i think, so they MUST adapt or die.. > > goldenram is a privately held corp, with no debt and lots of memory on hand.. > > apricorn is a private corp too, i think.. > > don't know the debt story there, however.. > > I guess I'll take a look at Kingston, GoldenRam, Viking, not sure > about PNY though since it seems like even for desktop memory, both modules > of the same size use totally different chips. > > > micron is, i think, still a good company, except for this 'problem' > > they have.. > > Yep, I wonder how many returns have they gotten since the Crucial > memory offers a lifetime warranty and the 30 day moneyback guarantee. > i have no idea..remember, this is the "scuttlebutt" not verifiable fact, since i don't have lines of communication into h/p, dell or ibm.. this came from a supplier to some or all of those companies.. > > > Actually, thanks to Donald. It seems like the 770ED Quick-start > > > mentions the card while the 770Z one doesn't. > > > > the enh. video card was standard on the 770 & 770E and optional on the > > 770X & Z... > > I guess that's why. The Video card manual probably assumed that > people were using the 770 and 770E. > > > > Hehe, atleast 3.2 gigs is still better than that 2.1 gig I have in > > > the 385ED still.. The only problem I'm experiencing is when the system > > > starts up, there is 80% free GDI resources, and 18% each on System and > > > User resources. It has something to do with the preload or the IBM/Intel > > > Lan Desk Management. > > > > doubt the preload is doing that..must be something, some task or app, > > taking but not giving back... > > Hmmm, it could be the IBM Lan Management thingy that came on the > software selection disk since that seems to open up a DOS prompt to load > during bootup. > i have no idea, since i use windows for the lan and that is for novell or some such that i don't have.. i should also mention that some unbranded memory can be quite good, but has little or no warranty.. and some branded and unbranded memory can be stacked chips, used chips or the like, and thus substandard.. the big guys all use new chips and test them before shipping.. usually.. when theres time..! i remember when some memory shipped, i got it, tested it, and nothing..!! turned out the eprom had not been programmed..! :-) it all went back and i got new stuff.. THATS why i like to test stuff before i send it out.. lower chance i will need to be shipping things on my own 'nickel'.. > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 10:52:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA12522 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27596; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:49:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27379; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27366; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:49:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA16471; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:48:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:48:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: <375691DF.BB58A9FF@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Bill, > IBM did not share your amusement at that time.. :-) Ofcourse, they were the subject! =) > > Oh okay, so that's what they meant by dumping. > > dumping = selling below cost to capture a market..(sorta like the > browser wars) I always thought the Korean and Japanese makers were the ones who held the market share. > the new machines also appear to have the system memory in a DIMM > socket..i need to learn if the 64meg part can be changed to a 128meg > part, then two 128meg parts added to the two expansion sockets, theu > 128 + 128 + 128 = 384megs.. ?! :-) Yep, that's true too. It's like I thought it was soldered but it was in a socket. And the Intel BX chipset can address more than 384 megs of RAM. > > Ah, so it's just the position of where the eprom chip is. > > yup..simple, but significant..! Guess every millimeter counts! > > Yep, I wonder how many returns have they gotten since the Crucial > > memory offers a lifetime warranty and the 30 day moneyback guarantee. > > i have no idea..remember, this is the "scuttlebutt" not verifiable > fact, since i don't have lines of communication into h/p, dell or > ibm.. this came from a supplier to some or all of those companies.. The funny thing about the Crucial ads is they claim HP, Dell and IBM use Crucial/Micron memory OEMed but it seems like that isn't entirely true either. > > Hmmm, it could be the IBM Lan Management thingy that came on the > > software selection disk since that seems to open up a DOS prompt to load > > during bootup. > > i have no idea, since i use windows for the lan and that is for novell > or some such that i don't have.. I had no idea what it was for but just wanted to see how it worked. > i should also mention that some unbranded memory can be quite good, > but has little or no warranty.. Hmmm, that's true too. > and some branded and unbranded memory can be stacked chips, used chips > or the like, and thus substandard.. Yeah, like some are totally garbage too. > the big guys all use new chips and test them before shipping.. > usually.. when theres time..! Hopefully atleast. > i remember when some memory shipped, i got it, tested it, and nothing..!! > turned out the eprom had not been programmed..! :-) Oh well, sounds like my 770Z... Eeprom is acting funny... > it all went back and i got new stuff.. > THATS why i like to test stuff before i send it out.. > lower chance i will need to be shipping things on my own 'nickel'.. Yep... that's a good practice. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 11:07:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12705 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28781; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:03:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28670; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28657; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:03:07 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-451.gate.net [199.227.173.197]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA204952; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:04:40 -0400 Message-ID: <37569921.61B5EA4@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 11:02:57 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z, now thread drift References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > Bill, > > > IBM did not share your amusement at that time.. :-) > > Ofcourse, they were the subject! =) > > > > Oh okay, so that's what they meant by dumping. > > > > dumping = selling below cost to capture a market..(sorta like the > > browser wars) > > I always thought the Korean and Japanese makers were the ones who > held the market share. they do and did, i suppose because of their dumping.. > > > > the new machines also appear to have the system memory in a DIMM > > socket..i need to learn if the 64meg part can be changed to a 128meg > > part, then two 128meg parts added to the two expansion sockets, theu > > 128 + 128 + 128 = 384megs.. ?! :-) > > Yep, that's true too. It's like I thought it was soldered but it > was in a socket. And the Intel BX chipset can address more than 384 megs > of RAM. > it all will come down to how many memory "lines" are available.. > > > Ah, so it's just the position of where the eprom chip is. > > > > yup..simple, but significant..! > > Guess every millimeter counts! > i could have used an exacto knife and made the thing fit, but thats not the way things shoulf work.. > > > Yep, I wonder how many returns have they gotten since the Crucial > > > memory offers a lifetime warranty and the 30 day moneyback guarantee. > > > > i have no idea..remember, this is the "scuttlebutt" not verifiable > > fact, since i don't have lines of communication into h/p, dell or > > ibm.. this came from a supplier to some or all of those companies.. > > The funny thing about the Crucial ads is they claim HP, Dell and > IBM use Crucial/Micron memory OEMed but it seems like that isn't entirely > true either. > i guess so..remember, this is what i was told.. > > > Hmmm, it could be the IBM Lan Management thingy that came on the > > > software selection disk since that seems to open up a DOS prompt to load > > > during bootup. > > > > i have no idea, since i use windows for the lan and that is for novell > > or some such that i don't have.. > > I had no idea what it was for but just wanted to see how it > worked. > naughty, naughty..!should not load apps you don't know or need.. :-) > > i should also mention that some unbranded memory can be quite good, > > but has little or no warranty.. > > Hmmm, that's true too. > > > and some branded and unbranded memory can be stacked chips, used chips > > or the like, and thus substandard.. > > Yeah, like some are totally garbage too. > > > the big guys all use new chips and test them before shipping.. > > usually.. when theres time..! > > Hopefully atleast. > they usually test the assembly... > > i remember when some memory shipped, i got it, tested it, and nothing..!! > > turned out the eprom had not been programmed..! :-) > > Oh well, sounds like my 770Z... Eeprom is acting funny... > eprom ? or flash bios memory..?? > > it all went back and i got new stuff.. > > THATS why i like to test stuff before i send it out.. > > lower chance i will need to be shipping things on my own 'nickel'.. > > Yep... that's a good practice. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 11:16:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12813 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29697; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:09:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29394; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29362; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:09:20 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-451.gate.net [199.227.173.197]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA246826; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:10:44 -0400 Message-ID: <37569A8D.6BCC6C11@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 11:09:01 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Donald Mak , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i'll do that and put it on my web site.. not today though.. :-) Vincent Poy wrote: > On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > the S-Video port has two connections and a ground across two other pins.. > > want me to post a pic of what the 'guts' look like..? :-) > > That would be cool. :-) I guess I forgot that S-Video only > separates the Y/C signals. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 11:25:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12922 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01016; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:18:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00857; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00844; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:18:44 -0400 Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02577 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:18:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02573 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:18:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990603111952.00c25630@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 11:19:52 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Workpad z50 In-Reply-To: <199906022042.QAA02233@amanda.dorsai.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:41 PM 6/2/99 -0400, John Higgins wrote: >Has anybody played with one of these things yet? I'm looking at it as the >answer to my ideal backup machine: A Radio Shack Model 100 I can surf the >web with. I need it to take notes at conferences and interviews where >accesss to power can be spotty and awkward. It's Windows CE, which I have >zero experience with, and I'm trying to find a way to attach a floppy >drive that's not going to run me $250-300 (for a sub-$1000 machine). Eight >hours of battery life, 16 with an extended battery that also takes AAs. >From the reviews, the z50 seems better than the Phenom and Jornada, which >I've avoided so far. But I haven't actually laid hands on a z50. > I'm holding one in my hands. What do you want to know? The screen is bright, the trackpoint is nice, I miss the touchscreen (not touchpad - I hate those, touchscreen). >And as a CE idiot, what should I be watching out for? > Are you wanting to sync it to a PC? If so, my advice on all the CE devices I've seen so far is run. Run like the wind. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 11:29:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12978 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02122; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:27:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19413; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19115; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:48:16 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-451.gate.net [199.227.173.197]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA43520; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:49:29 -0400 Message-ID: <37568782.528AD935@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 09:47:46 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Donald Mak , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the S-Video port has two connections and a ground across two other pins.. want me to post a pic of what the 'guts' look like..? :-) Vincent Poy wrote: > On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > i'm only reporting, not judging.. :-) > > > > i tend to agree on cable pricing.. FYI: the external floppy cable for > > the 560 is $16, same cable for a 770 (about 8 inches longer) is $80+ > > ! > > Wow, I always know that for cable, it's usually the connectors > that make up most of the costs and the actual wire wasn't supposed to be > expensive. > > > the video cable is nothing more than the tiny plug on one end and two > > sockets on the other.. (I disassembled one) > > Yep, but I wonder how they can do the S-Video part since the input > is only 3 pins while the S-Video is 4 pins. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 11:55:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA13249 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04854; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:53:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04750; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04720; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:53:45 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pC19F15AA.dip.t-online.de [193.159.21.170]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id LZC43Y1Q; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:52:07 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: Workpad z50 - My Opinion on PDAs - HP, Philips, 3Com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 17:53:33 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: While I am not completely versed in the latest trends with WinCE machines and also am not familiar with the Workpad z50 from personal experience, my sympathies go with Jane Loyless, who says "run." A good year ago I started really investigating PDAs/laptop "replacements" because I was actually getting sick of hauling out my laptop for small things like finding addresses, checking on my latest Email messages, reading a pre-written document, keeping track of appointments, and reading pre-loaded HTMs. It was too heavy, took to long to load and wasn't as convenient as my stuffed "little black book." I looked primarily at HP and Philips machines - who had offered the most memory and expansion possibilities at the time, and also at Palm Pilots. I ended up with the Palm Pilot and am on my 2nd already (I sold the old one to get one of the new "toys" - Palm IIIx). Okay, while the CE machines can do almost anything that a laptop or desktop can, they were too clumsy, not easy enough to use, and didn't offer me seamless syncing abilities with data I already had on my desktop. The most important thing for me was the ability to sync with my main information on my desktop/laptop - Palm was the only one that did this without too much of a learning curve. (And this lies primarily with the OS... CE is simply too big and clumsy in my eyes.) With a few additions - a modem and the new Landware keyboard - I am set 24/7. Not with everything, but at least the essentials - and the main part - the Palm itself - fits in my shirt pocket... When I went to upgrade to the Palm IIIx (3 weeks ago), I checked out CE machines once again. Although they can, again, do most of what a laptop can do - they were clumsy... OS, screen, attachments (also $$) and everything. Okay, this is my opinion... I have a my Palm with me all the time and use it all the time - my girlfriend complains that I spend more time with it than her (joke!) - and have been very pleased with its performance. I have yet to be disappointed with my ability to integrate it with my Laptop and Desktop as my needs grow. Instead of always having a newspaper and my stuffed "little black book," I have my Palm. A definite load off my shoulders... Not a replacement for a desktop/laptop, but a definite supplement. Instead of wasting more precious space on the list, write me personally if you have some more specific questions. Thanks, Steve PS - The Palm IIIx is also offered under the IBM brand, called the Workpad 30x. Same thing, different logo - possibly different support, too. ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) Fax: +1 603 288 0296 ICQ: 15804759 _________________________________________________________________________ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 12:09:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13418 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22980; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:11:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22522; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay14.jaring.my (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22456; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay14.jaring.my (192.228.128.125 -> relay14.jaring.my) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:11:08 -0400 Received: from ricthink (j12.sgw33.jaring.my [161.142.28.86]) by relay14.jaring.my (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA26549 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 22:10:57 +0800 (MYT) From: "ZhaoYun" To: Subject: Upgrade Thinkpad 390 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 22:08:43 +0800 Message-ID: <000701beadca$96a2c000$fd3d188b@ricthink> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <11521394600098@wineasy.se> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Dear Thinkpad Users, Can my Thinkpad 390 be upgraded to Pentium II 300 from Pentium 233 ? I browse through IBM web page and found no info about that. Thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 12:12:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13500 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24778; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:22:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24279; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24000; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:20:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA16180; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:20:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:20:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Donald Mak , thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: <37568782.528AD935@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > the S-Video port has two connections and a ground across two other pins.. > want me to post a pic of what the 'guts' look like..? :-) That would be cool. :-) I guess I forgot that S-Video only separates the Y/C signals. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 12:13:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13511 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24522; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:20:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23935; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23866; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:20:26 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-451.gate.net [199.227.173.197]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA82360; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:21:48 -0400 Message-ID: <37568F14.8BC40AD8@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 10:20:04 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ZhaoYun CC: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrade Thinkpad 390 References: <000701beadca$96a2c000$fd3d188b@ricthink> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: most likely NOT.. not through IBM at this time (and if so, it would be cheaper just to buy a new 390) and not through people like me since there is no kit available.. (yet, or maybe ever).. ZhaoYun wrote: > Dear Thinkpad Users, > > Can my Thinkpad 390 be upgraded to Pentium II 300 from Pentium 233 ? > > I browse through IBM web page and found no info about that. > > Thanks. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 12:14:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13525 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20028; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:47:43 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18963; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:47:38 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id JAA07264 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wineasy.se (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10482; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wineasy.se (195.42.198.41 -> server1.wineasy.se) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:52:27 -0400 Received: from [195.42.193.46] by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.at1j) with ESMTP id na669799 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:52:13 +0200 X-Sender: courage@mail.wineasy.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 13:42:09 -0400 To: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU From: Peter Wennersten Subject: Question on non-IBM memory upgrade for I-series Message-Id: <11521394600098@wineasy.se> List-Unsubscribe: >From the recent discussion about memory upgrades I conclude that as far as prestanda goes it would be OK to get memory from a third party vendor such as Viking or Kingston. But since the discussion referred to 770:s and as I am a newbie I would like to ask if there is any reason why the above would not apply to an I-series? Also, is the warranty for the machine I bought (before upgrading it myself) affected in any way by me putting non-IBM memory in the machine? What triggers my question is the below (which I don't quite understand) Thanks for any help on this matter. Peter Wennersten .....snip...... > >> > i think ibm WILL do a hot swap on memory if you give them a CC #, but >> > so will most.. >> >> I never had experience of bad memory before so I don't know how >> they usually do the exchange for a warranty claim. I just thought that >> with IBM, they will ship you everything that a user can change as long as >> it's approved for the machine. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 12:15:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13562 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19764; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:46:32 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18705; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:46:29 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id JAA07242 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18747; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (206.127.32.35 -> tam.dorsai.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:37:55 -0400 Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (higgins@amanda.dorsai.org [206.127.32.130]) by tam.dorsai.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA25373 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:42:01 -0400 (EDT) From: John Higgins Received: (higgins@localhost) by amanda.dorsai.org (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA02233 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906022042.QAA02233@amanda.dorsai.org> Subject: Workpad z50 To: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad List) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:41:58 -0400 (edt) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Has anybody played with one of these things yet? I'm looking at it as the answer to my ideal backup machine: A Radio Shack Model 100 I can surf the web with. I need it to take notes at conferences and interviews where accesss to power can be spotty and awkward. It's Windows CE, which I have zero experience with, and I'm trying to find a way to attach a floppy drive that's not going to run me $250-300 (for a sub-$1000 machine). Eight hours of battery life, 16 with an extended battery that also takes AAs. >From the reviews, the z50 seems better than the Phenom and Jornada, which I've avoided so far. But I haven't actually laid hands on a z50. And as a CE idiot, what should I be watching out for? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John M. Higgins Broadcasting & Cable Magazine higgins@dorsai.org v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 12:17:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13591 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25124; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:24:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24623; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24469; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:22:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA16198; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:22:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:22:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Peter Wennersten cc: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Question on non-IBM memory upgrade for I-series In-Reply-To: <11521394600098@wineasy.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Peter Wennersten wrote: > >From the recent discussion about memory upgrades I conclude that as far as > prestanda goes it would be OK to get memory from a third party vendor such > as Viking or Kingston. Yep, or even Apricorn and Goldenram. > But since the discussion referred to 770:s and as I am a newbie I would like > to ask if there is any reason why the above would not apply to an I-series? I think the 770 and i series use the exact same memory parts. > Also, is the warranty for the machine I bought (before upgrading it myself) > affected in any way by me putting non-IBM memory in the machine? What > triggers my question is the below (which I don't quite understand) It doesn't affect it in any way. IBM will require you to remove third party memory before they will support you I think. Atleast, that's what PC Connection told me. Speaking about PC Connection, anyone know who makes the memory for them or what brand the memory they use is? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 12:18:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13616 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20025; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:46:56 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18796; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:46:53 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id JAA07252 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21501; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:20:13 -0400 Received: from 22.chicago-23-24rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.157.22]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990602212000.XCIQ9941@22.chicago-23-24rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:20:00 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Pass the salt - I've got some words to chew on! Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 21:19:19 GMT Message-ID: <37569da4.27747480@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <37571382.155866683@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <375542A3.C96801AC@icanect.net> <3756532f.8684573@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <37559A83.E343192@icanect.net> In-Reply-To: <37559A83.E343192@icanect.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:56:35 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >they said the thing was refurbished, they were lying..! Ooh, see, *now* you've hit a pet peeve of mine. I hate the way everyone throws around the word refurbished as well, and I always call them on it. In this case, I knew what I was getting into and I came out ahead of my expectations. Can't get much better than that. I don't agree with your (implied) view that, because you've reported a bad experience, no one should ever report a good one. I've seen enough rants about IBM to know such an attitude would out them and every other company out of business. It's only fair to report both sides of the story, imo; especially since I've also warned people away from the company in the past. And comparing your previous dealings with DP to the atrocities of Adolph Hitler, Saddam Hussein et al? Coolness-challenged, Bill. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 12:21:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13665 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24737; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:20:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23943; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23721; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:19:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA16168; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:19:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:19:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: richard , thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: <375686FF.5A8AE02F@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Bill and everyone, > > After I heard about the warranty from you and everyone, it sure > > doesn't seem like it. > > > > :-)NOW you know.. > in fact, when the 770-1AU came out, the IBM 64meg parts did not work > right, only the Viking worked and no one else had any... Actually, reading that last line is humourous since IBM's own option won't work in their machines. :-) > > When you meant bum, you meant like low quality chips right? I > > know NMBS is a brand that absolutely sucks and the chip is slower than > > it's rated at. > > low quality, slow, high drop out rate, i don't know..only was told > that these (raw) chips were not highly respected.. Yeah, you're right. I know they made chips but they certainly weren't popular. > > Hmmm, so even Crucial does the same thing too? I always thought > > Crucial would just use the memory that is made by Micron or is Crucial > > just a part of Micron that doesn't even use Micron chips? > > apparently crucial is part of micron who does make their own chips and > who brought action against offshore chip makers for dumping..whis is > the reason chip prices are expected to rise very soon.. Oh okay, so that's what they meant by dumping. > > I never noticed that one of the socket was upside down since I did > > take out the memory and put it back in except it's hard to tell which slot > > is which. > > when one does this frequently (i usually test run memory i sell when i > have that particular machine here) I notice the variations..770X and Z > are quite different from 770-1AU and 770ED.. Yep, it's probably totally different inside as well. Even the servicer was surprised that the 770Z was modular while the older 770's he serviced weren't as modular. > > How did they fix it so the chip will work in both slots correctly > > since if it's fixed for the upside down socket, wouldn't it have a problem > > with the other slot? > > no, they changed the eprom and moved it slightly..it was only a small > thing, but if you can't snap the DIMM down on both sides, its got to > be fixed... Ah, so it's just the position of where the eprom chip is. > viking is expanding..theres a whole lot less $$ in it these days.. > and viking has debt, i think, so they MUST adapt or die.. > goldenram is a privately held corp, with no debt and lots of memory on hand.. > apricorn is a private corp too, i think.. > don't know the debt story there, however.. I guess I'll take a look at Kingston, GoldenRam, Viking, not sure about PNY though since it seems like even for desktop memory, both modules of the same size use totally different chips. > micron is, i think, still a good company, except for this 'problem' > they have.. Yep, I wonder how many returns have they gotten since the Crucial memory offers a lifetime warranty and the 30 day moneyback guarantee. > > Actually, thanks to Donald. It seems like the 770ED Quick-start > > mentions the card while the 770Z one doesn't. > > the enh. video card was standard on the 770 & 770E and optional on the > 770X & Z... I guess that's why. The Video card manual probably assumed that people were using the 770 and 770E. > > Hehe, atleast 3.2 gigs is still better than that 2.1 gig I have in > > the 385ED still.. The only problem I'm experiencing is when the system > > starts up, there is 80% free GDI resources, and 18% each on System and > > User resources. It has something to do with the preload or the IBM/Intel > > Lan Desk Management. > > doubt the preload is doing that..must be something, some task or app, > taking but not giving back... Hmmm, it could be the IBM Lan Management thingy that came on the software selection disk since that seems to open up a DOS prompt to load during bootup. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 12:24:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13723 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19660; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:46:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18610; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18534; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:45:48 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-451.gate.net [199.227.173.197]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA114216; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:47:18 -0400 Message-ID: <375686FF.5A8AE02F@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 09:45:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: richard , thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > Bill and everyone, > > > > If IBM doesn't make their own memory, then how can their memory be > > > any better than the other out there as they claim? > > > > its not..! > > After I heard about the warranty from you and everyone, it sure > doesn't seem like it. > :-)NOW you know.. in fact, when the 770-1AU came out, the IBM 64meg parts did not work right, only the Viking worked and no one else had any... > > > > kingston is good (i think toshiba bought kingston).. > > > > > > Oh okay, but it seems like Kingston wasn't well known until the > > > last few years. It seems before, the only good memory were from Micron, > > > Motorola, OKI, NEC, SIEMENS, TI, Samsung and the best thing was like > > > Toshiba. The funny thing is my TP385ED actually has IBM memory on the > > > motherboard. > > > > IBM used to be well known for bum memory chips..or so i was told by a > > friend who bought and sold ram chips.. > > When you meant bum, you meant like low quality chips right? I > know NMBS is a brand that absolutely sucks and the chip is slower than > it's rated at. > low quality, slow, high drop out rate, i don't know..only was told that these (raw) chips were not highly respected.. > > > Does Apricorn make their own memory or do they just buy the chips > > > from other vendors and build the modules? > > > > Apricorn and most others buy the chips, then design the little > > boards...there is an eprom on the board too.. > > Hmmm, so even Crucial does the same thing too? I always thought > Crucial would just use the memory that is made by Micron or is Crucial > just a part of Micron that doesn't even use Micron chips? > apparently crucial is part of micron who does make their own chips and who brought action against offshore chip makers for dumping..whis is the reason chip prices are expected to rise very soon.. > > > > viking is OK too, but the last time i got a 128meg part from them > > > > (recently) they still had parts that would not fit the 770X and Z due > > > > to the way ibm changed the second dimm socket.. > > > > > > Hmmm, I thought the DIMM sockets were all standard. Ofcourse, I > > > did notice that one socket was made by Molex and one isn't. > > > > on the 770-1AU and 770ED, the DIMM sockets are oriented in the same > > direction, the 770X and 770Z has one of the DIMM sockets "flipped" > > over, thus the former upside of the DIMM now was on the boddom and the > > eprom interfered with the side of the DIMM socket..this little "bug" > > took about 6 weeks to get 'fixed' with > > goldenram.. > > I never noticed that one of the socket was upside down since I did > take out the memory and put it back in except it's hard to tell which slot > is which. > when one does this frequently (i usually test run memory i sell when i have that particular machine here) I notice the variations..770X and Z are quite different from 770-1AU and 770ED.. > > got some viking 128meg parts 2 months ago, and they were still using > > this older desing.. > > they were not so interested in my help or comments, so i sent it back > > and got the goldenram.. > > How did they fix it so the chip will work in both slots correctly > since if it's fixed for the upside down socket, wouldn't it have a problem > with the other slot? > no, they changed the eprom and moved it slightly..it was only a small thing, but if you can't snap the DIMM down on both sides, its got to be fixed... > > Viking had the very first 64meg parts for the 770 when it first came out..they > > are a good company, but getting a bit too bnig and diversified, i think.. > > Yeah, I heard of Viking for memory but never got my hands on any. > The guy sold me NEC instead when it was supposed to be Viking a year ago. > Viking didn't seem to make anything else besides memory and now they have > like modems too. > viking is expanding..theres a whole lot less $$ in it these days.. and viking has debt, i think, so they MUST adapt or die.. goldenram is a privately held corp, with no debt and lots of memory on hand.. apricorn is a private corp too, i think.. don't know the debt story there, however.. > > > > in short, get anything but crucial.. > > > > > > I guess Micron quality must have gone down or something. I always > > > thought they manufactured their own memory since they were the ones who > > > invented SyncBurst or Pipeline Burst Caching as we would call it for > > > Pentium and higher machines. > > > > this is what i was told..micron does make their own chips, but chips > > are not the total picture.. > > engineering the board and mfg. is a large component of the eventual quality.. > > I guess their quality really has gone down then. When SyncBurst > or Pieline Burst Caching first came out for the pentium, you had to buy it > from Micron since their motherboards from Micronics had them. > micron is, i think, still a good company, except for this 'problem' they have.. > > > > i think ibm WILL do a hot swap on memory if you give them a CC #, but > > > > so will most.. > > > > > > I never had experience of bad memory before so I don't know how > > > they usually do the exchange for a warranty claim. I just thought that > > > with IBM, they will ship you everything that a user can change as long as > > > it's approved for the machine. Speaking about IBM, I did get the Enhanced > > > DVD Video adapter option and for some reason, there are still lots of > > > artifacts for DVD's and then does anyone know what each port is used for > > > since the manuals doesn't seem to say anything about them or where I can > > > get the cables for video and audio. > > > > i identified each port..video in, out and dolby i think.. > > my enh. video works fine.. no problem.. > > Actually, thanks to Donald. It seems like the 770ED Quick-start > mentions the card while the 770Z one doesn't. > the enh. video card was standard on the 770 & 770E and optional on the 770X & Z... > > > > i do it for my old customers who i know... > > > > > > Oh okay, thanks for sharing your experience. Really appreciate > > > it. Seems like something in the Preload of Windows98 on the 770Z really > > > drains resources fast. > > > > i have not experienced this..tight now i'm running the standard preload on a > > 3.2gig drive with office 2000 beta.. > > using front page 2000 to redesign thinkpads.com.. > > the supplied 14gig drive has voice type exec on it.. and the standard preload.. > > did a restore to one of my 14gig drives and did all the usual things with the > > DVD and no artifacts or anything wrong at all... > > no problems with any of these.. > > > > i know, i know, now you want to know "why the 3.2gig drive"..?? > > well, they're cheap, fast enough, and i like to play.. why use a 14gig or 10gig > > just to experiment..?! > > > > :-) > > Hehe, atleast 3.2 gigs is still better than that 2.1 gig I have in > the 385ED still.. The only problem I'm experiencing is when the system > starts up, there is 80% free GDI resources, and 18% each on System and > User resources. It has something to do with the preload or the IBM/Intel > Lan Desk Management. > doubt the preload is doing that..must be something, some task or app, taking but not giving back... > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 12:25:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13745 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07993; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:22:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07689; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot007.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07653; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot007.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.107 -> pilot007.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:22:22 -0400 Received: from andres (port18.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.19]) by pilot007.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA59190 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:22:17 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990603122435.008ccb70@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 12:24:35 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Workpad z50 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990603111952.00c25630@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> References: <199906022042.QAA02233@amanda.dorsai.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Not to be too dense, but run which way--towards them or away from them? My wife is looking at these kinds of devices right now. STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 11:19 AM 6/3/99 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: >I'm holding one in my hands. What do you want to know? The screen is >bright, the trackpoint is nice, I miss the touchscreen (not touchpad - I >hate those, touchscreen). > > >>And as a CE idiot, what should I be watching out for? >> > >Are you wanting to sync it to a PC? If so, my advice on all the CE devices >I've seen so far is run. Run like the wind. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 12:31:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13843 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08806; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:28:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08501; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08487; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:28:42 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-018.usc.edu [128.125.223.18]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA05359; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990603092341.02a550b0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 09:27:44 -0700 To: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown), TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Pass the salt - I've got some words to chew on! In-Reply-To: <37569da4.27747480@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <37559A83.E343192@icanect.net> <37571382.155866683@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <375542A3.C96801AC@icanect.net> <3756532f.8684573@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <37559A83.E343192@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:19 PM 6/2/99 +0000, you wrote: >>they said the thing was refurbished, they were lying..! > > Ooh, see, *now* you've hit a pet peeve of mine. I hate the way everyone >throws around the word refurbished as well, and I always call them on it. >In this case, I knew what I was getting into and I came out ahead of my >expectations. Can't get much better than that. I don't think anyone argued that it exceeded your expectations. But that is because you set your expectations extremely low, based on what you knew about the company. > I don't agree with your (implied) view that, because you've reported a >bad experience, no one should ever report a good one. I've seen enough >rants about IBM to know such an attitude would out them and every other >company out of business. It's only fair to report both sides of the story, >imo; especially since I've also warned people away from the company in the >past. The problem is that most people don't have the knowledge that you do to understand that they're quite likely to get a pretty messed-up machine. As such, they buy from this place, expecting a reasonably sound machine and ending up with something that either comes with components missing or broken. Bill is correct in pointing out that such conditions are clearly not in keeping with their claim of a "refurbished" machine, which one expects to be used, but fully restored to good condition, fully functional. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 12:36:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13938 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09784; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:34:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09480; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09466; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:34:39 -0400 Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03733 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:34:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA03726 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:34:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990603123549.00b18cd0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 12:35:49 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Workpad z50 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990603122435.008ccb70@pilot.msu.edu> References: <3.0.1.32.19990603111952.00c25630@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> <199906022042.QAA02233@amanda.dorsai.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:24 PM 6/3/99 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >Not to be too dense, but run which way--towards them or away from them? >My wife is looking at these kinds of devices right now. > IMO, away. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 12:43:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA14012 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10468; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:41:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10302; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10288; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:41:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26990 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:38:15 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: <375691DF.BB58A9FF@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: FWIW I got a 64MB chip from Crucial 2 mo ago and no difficulties - yet I suppose I should add. On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > Vince.. > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Bill and everyone, > > > > > > After I heard about the warranty from you and everyone, it sure > > > > doesn't seem like it. > > > > > > > > > > :-)NOW you know.. > > > in fact, when the 770-1AU came out, the IBM 64meg parts did not work > > > right, only the Viking worked and no one else had any... > > > > Actually, reading that last line is humourous since IBM's own > > option won't work in their machines. :-) > > IBM did not share your amusement at that time.. :-) > > > > > > > > > When you meant bum, you meant like low quality chips right? I > > > > know NMBS is a brand that absolutely sucks and the chip is slower than > > > > it's rated at. > > > > > > low quality, slow, high drop out rate, i don't know..only was told > > > that these (raw) chips were not highly respected.. > > > > Yeah, you're right. I know they made chips but they certainly > > weren't popular.. > > > > > > Hmmm, so even Crucial does the same thing too? I always thought > > > > Crucial would just use the memory that is made by Micron or is Crucial > > > > just a part of Micron that doesn't even use Micron chips? > > > > > > apparently crucial is part of micron who does make their own chips and > > > who brought action against offshore chip makers for dumping..whis is > > > the reason chip prices are expected to rise very soon.. > > > > Oh okay, so that's what they meant by dumping. > > > > dumping = selling below cost to capture a market..(sorta like the browser wars) > > > > > > I never noticed that one of the socket was upside down since I did > > > > take out the memory and put it back in except it's hard to tell which slot > > > > is which. > > > > > > when one does this frequently (i usually test run memory i sell when i > > > have that particular machine here) I notice the variations..770X and Z > > > are quite different from 770-1AU and 770ED.. > > > > Yep, it's probably totally different inside as well. Even the > > servicer was surprised that the 770Z was modular while the older 770's he > > serviced weren't as modular. > > > > the new machines also appear to have the system memory in a DIMM socket..i need to > learn if the 64meg part can be changed to a 128meg part, then two 128meg parts > added to the two expansion sockets, theu 128 + 128 + 128 = 384megs.. ?! :-) > > > > > > How did they fix it so the chip will work in both slots correctly > > > > since if it's fixed for the upside down socket, wouldn't it have a problem > > > > with the other slot? > > > > > > no, they changed the eprom and moved it slightly..it was only a small > > > thing, but if you can't snap the DIMM down on both sides, its got to > > > be fixed... > > > > Ah, so it's just the position of where the eprom chip is. > > > > yup..simple, but significant..! > > > > > viking is expanding..theres a whole lot less $$ in it these days.. > > > and viking has debt, i think, so they MUST adapt or die.. > > > goldenram is a privately held corp, with no debt and lots of memory on hand.. > > > apricorn is a private corp too, i think.. > > > don't know the debt story there, however.. > > > > I guess I'll take a look at Kingston, GoldenRam, Viking, not sure > > about PNY though since it seems like even for desktop memory, both modules > > of the same size use totally different chips. > > > > > micron is, i think, still a good company, except for this 'problem' > > > they have.. > > > > Yep, I wonder how many returns have they gotten since the Crucial > > memory offers a lifetime warranty and the 30 day moneyback guarantee. > > > > i have no idea..remember, this is the "scuttlebutt" not verifiable fact, since i > don't have lines of communication into h/p, dell or ibm.. > this came from a supplier to some or all of those companies.. > > > > > > Actually, thanks to Donald. It seems like the 770ED Quick-start > > > > mentions the card while the 770Z one doesn't. > > > > > > the enh. video card was standard on the 770 & 770E and optional on the > > > 770X & Z... > > > > I guess that's why. The Video card manual probably assumed that > > people were using the 770 and 770E. > > > > > > Hehe, atleast 3.2 gigs is still better than that 2.1 gig I have in > > > > the 385ED still.. The only problem I'm experiencing is when the system > > > > starts up, there is 80% free GDI resources, and 18% each on System and > > > > User resources. It has something to do with the preload or the IBM/Intel > > > > Lan Desk Management. > > > > > > doubt the preload is doing that..must be something, some task or app, > > > taking but not giving back... > > > > Hmmm, it could be the IBM Lan Management thingy that came on the > > software selection disk since that seems to open up a DOS prompt to load > > during bootup. > > > > i have no idea, since i use windows for the lan and that is for novell or some such > that i don't have.. > > i should also mention that some unbranded memory can be quite good, but has little > or no warranty.. > and some branded and unbranded memory can be stacked chips, used chips or the like, > and thus substandard.. > the big guys all use new chips and test them before shipping.. usually.. when > theres time..! > i remember when some memory shipped, i got it, tested it, and nothing..!! > turned out the eprom had not been programmed..! :-) > it all went back and i got new stuff.. > THATS why i like to test stuff before i send it out.. > lower chance i will need to be shipping things on my own 'nickel'.. > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 13:18:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14374 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13466; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:16:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13296; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13274; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (199.0.65.247 -> mail-out-0.tiac.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:16:32 -0400 Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06237; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:16:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA08147; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 17:16:28 GMT Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:11:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: Thinkpad List , "'Steven N. Fettig'" Subject: RE: Workpad z50 - My Opinion on PDAs - HP, Philips, 3Com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:11:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Yeah I felt the same way. I had a HP 95 and wanted to upgrade. I looked at the the CE machines and did not like them. I liked the DOS based stuff because I had some old dos programs that I wanted to run. I read a review of CE machines from a fellow who expected he could take windows programs >from his Desktop or Laptop and run it on a WinCE machine. It can not be done, I also needed something that fits in a shirt pocket as I do not carry a briefcase. I looked at the Palmpilot and ended up getting a Palm 3 because I got a deal. It cannot run DOS stuff but there seems to be a lot of applications for them. Plus you easily get tools and development environments to write your own code. I knew the 3x was coming out but I did not need the extra features. Besides the normal PDA stuff I mostly use the P 3 for navigation. I use Solus Pro and can download maps to the Palm 3 and even hook up a GPS. It is tough dealing with a Thinkpad 365ED while hiking through the woods. One of the minuses is that the display is not color but it is not too bad. I was surprised it took 2 AAA (!!) batteries as the HP 95 used 2 AA but they seem to last a good while (I change them every month or so). I get the impression that 2 Megs of Ram goes farther on a Palm compared to a WinCE machine. My dream machine would be pocket sized color unit that you could run DOS/Win/OS2/ Linux programs on. It would have gesture and voice input interfaces that are bios based so old programs would work with it (basically looks like a keyboard). It would also have sound/voice output and a serial port. It would need a tiny HD and at least 24 to 32 Megs of RAM. I suppose someone would want to run NT on the thing so make it 48 to 64 Megs of RAM 8->. A Cardbus slot would be nice as well. Something the size of a HP95. ---------- From: Steven N. Fettig [SMTP:snfettig@hillsdale.edu] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 5:54 PM To: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Workpad z50 - My Opinion on PDAs - HP, Philips, 3Com While I am not completely versed in the latest trends with WinCE machines and also am not familiar with the Workpad z50 from personal experience, my sympathies go with Jane Loyless, who says "run." A good year ago I started really investigating PDAs/laptop "replacements" because I was actually getting sick of hauling out my laptop for small things like finding addresses, checking on my latest Email messages, reading a pre-written document, keeping track of appointments, and reading pre-loaded HTMs. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 13:23:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14436 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13930; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:19:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13737; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13713; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.106 -> pilot006.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:19:22 -0400 Received: from andres (port18.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.19]) by pilot006.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA66278 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:19:15 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990603132132.008db830@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 13:21:32 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: References: <375691DF.BB58A9FF@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Something to remember about Crucial memory: the chances of any one of us getting a bad part for one of our machines is still very small. In this era of ever increasingly well built components like RAM, a "bad batch" can mean one bad part in a 100--or less. This is a far cry from the old ancient days (the Altaircene, I think it was) when chips had a much higher failure rate, and died after being in use for a while, for more often than today. If I needed memory and found a reliable source that stood behind the product then I would buy Crucial memory for any purpose where it wasn't absolutely critical that it be added this instant (and face it, by far the most common reason for adding memory is to speed up a machine). The other thing to remember is that RAM is more complex than even hard disks, and all the RAM makers have created bad batches in their time. I remember-- very painfully--when an brand new IBM RS6000 I was working on developed severe memory problems, and took *three* trips by IBM to fix it: the first two replacement sets were of the same bad vintage as the factory installed RAM. Everything can fail. Everything gets built incorrectly every once in a while. STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 12:38 PM 6/3/99 -0400, rj wrote: >FWIW I got a 64MB chip from Crucial 2 mo ago and no difficulties - yet I >suppose I should add. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 13:35:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14554 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15088; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:28:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14873; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14855; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (132.187.1.7 -> wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:27:51 -0400 Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.2.12]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09845 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 19:27:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 3 Jun 99 19:27:47 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.44); 3 Jun 99 19:27:25 +0200 Received: from mail.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.103) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 3 Jun 99 19:27:23 +0200 Received: from babylon5 (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2] ) by mail.stelarcom.de (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 19:28:46 -0100 From: Alexander Wagner Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 19:28:45 GMT Message-ID: <19990603.19284581@mis.configured.host> Subject: Re: Workpad z50 - My Opinion on PDAs - HP, Philips, 3Com To: "Steven N. Fettig" CC: "Thinkpad List" In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; StarOffice/5.1; OS/2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Hi! > When I went to upgrade to the Palm IIIx (3 weeks ago), I checked = out CE > machines once again. Although they can, again, do most of what a=20 laptop can > do - they were clumsy... OS, screen, attachments (also $$) and=20 everything. Agree to your opinion. As far as I can see CE can do probably more=20 than PalmOS. That's true especially for EPOC (Psion), but for a=20 handheld I'd say that's a drawback. Just imagin to jot down a note at=20= the phone. To do that you've to start up something like Word, click=20 through menus open this and that... I wouldn't like that. I also don't=20= want to write books on a PDA. (There's no LaTeX for PalmOS ;) The main feature of PalmOS versus all the ohters is: It's simple.=20 Reduced to what one needs. Main feature of all apps is to implement=20 the fuctions you need on a handheld and not to size down some big=20 desktop app. E.g. if I want to write a mail, I need to insert an=20 address, a subject and the text itself. I don't want to click through=20= menues like in Outlook, I don't need buttonbars etc. I need =BBSend=AB a= nd=20 =BBRead=AB as buttons and probably =BBDelete=AB. That's it. The other point I'd think about is connection to the desktop. As far=20= as I can see CE only syncs with Windows. I think that's a limitation I=20= don't want. I mean I've to sync with my PC but of course I'm not=20 running Windows. Look for a PDA that does that and you're at the Pilot=20= ;) The main points I think one should look at are: - Are the apps available I'll need. That is simply: can I do my work.=20= I'd rather like a speicalized app on an PDA than a big one which can=20= do anything but is simply to complex. - Are these apps easy to use. For just writing down a phone number I=20= don't want to fiddle arrount with a big database. One button and one=20= click for =BBnew=AB should be enough - Are the functions easily available. No CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-F12... - How long does it work on batteries. (This point kicks out all that=20= colour stuff which I think is simply useless) > Okay, this is my opinion... I have a my Palm with me all the time and= =20 use > it all the time=20 That's the point. A PDA must be available all the time so it must fit=20= in the shirt-pocket. > A definite load off my shoulders... Not a replacement for a=20 desktop/laptop, but a > definite supplement.=20 I think that's the main point. One don't want to replace the=20 laptop/desktop cause than the PDA is either to big or one can't use it=20= easily. As I allways say it's useless if I ever search for a paper=20 insteand of pulling out the PDA. > PS - The Palm IIIx is also offered under the IBM brand, called the=20= Workpad > 30x. Same thing, different logo - possibly different support, too. Support for WorkPad is hanled by 3COM. At least here in europe. As far=20= as I can see the only diffrence is the nice black desing with the=20 little blue IBM in the upper left.=20 ____________________________________________________________________ _____ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 16:26:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16768 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27267; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:23:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26884; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26865; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:23:08 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pD4B888D2.dip.t-online.de [212.184.136.210]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id LZC43Y43; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:21:30 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: PDAs - 3Com/IBM Palm/Workpad - the Parachute Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 22:22:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I forgot to mention one other plus to the Palm/Workpad. There is a company called Unilinear (www.unilinear.com) that is soon coming out with an attachment for the Palm/Workpad that will allow one to use all sorts of PC Card cards... (It doesn't increase the size much - about 12mm thicker) I have contacted their sales representative and asked some questions regarding the Parachute (as the product is called) will be a memory hog with regards to drivers for the different cards and no was the answer. The drivers will be no larger than the average Palm OS program (5-35K)... Another thing that puts the Palm/Workpad past the CE pack... My thought is simply that as long as programs (mostly free) and extra attachments (abound) continue to flow, I cannot see the point of a CE machine (I am referring, however, to the real hand-held ones)... but, again, that is my opinion :0 Steve ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) Fax: +1 603 288 0296 ICQ: 15804759 ________________________________________________________________________ _ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 16:46:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17035 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29404; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:44:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29153; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29127; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:44:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA17785; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:43:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:43:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "STeve Andre'" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990603132132.008db830@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: > Something to remember about Crucial memory: the chances of any one of us > getting a bad part for one of our machines is still very small. In this > era of ever increasingly well built components like RAM, a "bad batch" > can mean one bad part in a 100--or less. This is a far cry from the old > ancient days (the Altaircene, I think it was) when chips had a much > higher failure rate, and died after being in use for a while, for more > often than today. > > If I needed memory and found a reliable source that stood behind the product > then I would buy Crucial memory for any purpose where it wasn't absolutely > critical that it be added this instant (and face it, by far the most common > reason for adding memory is to speed up a machine). You raise a very good point. The purpose of adding memory is to speed up a machine and reduce the load on the HDD from swapping. I thought with all computer components or any other electronic components, it's important to do the 72 hour burn-in period to make sure it works correctly since if it fails, it will usually fail by then. I just remember a few years being 10 ago, people always said Toshiba was the best and the reason was that other brands slow down as they aged. The only memory I had bad experience with numerous times and even my friend who is a vendor told me this was NMBS. Their memory might be sold as 80ns but it's really 100ns. > The other thing to remember is that RAM is more complex than even hard disks, > and all the RAM makers have created bad batches in their time. I remember-- > very painfully--when an brand new IBM RS6000 I was working on developed > severe memory problems, and took *three* trips by IBM to fix it: the first > two replacement sets were of the same bad vintage as the factory installed > RAM. I never seen problems with machines of that size yet except AIX is a pain in the you know where to port Unix applications compared to DEC, HP and SUN. > Everything can fail. Everything gets built incorrectly every once in > a while. Yep, that's true. Look at me... I bought the most expensive ThinkPad and it's having problems right out of the box. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 17:30:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17645 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 17:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27481; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:24:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27036; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26990; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:23:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA17683; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:23:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:23:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z, now thread drift In-Reply-To: <37569921.61B5EA4@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Bill, > > I always thought the Korean and Japanese makers were the ones who > > held the market share. > > they do and did, i suppose because of their dumping.. Yeah, I think Taiwan was blaming the Koreans for dumping. > > Yep, that's true too. It's like I thought it was soldered but it > > was in a socket. And the Intel BX chipset can address more than 384 megs > > of RAM. > > it all will come down to how many memory "lines" are available.. Yeah, besides that, getting to the system board on the 770Z is a pain in the you know where even for servicers. > > Guess every millimeter counts! > > i could have used an exacto knife and made the thing fit, but thats > not the way things shoulf work.. I guess you can call that trimming it down ;-) > > The funny thing about the Crucial ads is they claim HP, Dell and > > IBM use Crucial/Micron memory OEMed but it seems like that isn't entirely > > true either. > > i guess so..remember, this is what i was told.. Yeah becuase I never seen one IBM machine use Crucial or MT memory yet. > > > > Hmmm, it could be the IBM Lan Management thingy that came on the > > > > software selection disk since that seems to open up a DOS prompt to load > > > > during bootup. > > > > > > i have no idea, since i use windows for the lan and that is for novell > > > or some such that i don't have.. > > > > I had no idea what it was for but just wanted to see how it > > worked. > > naughty, naughty..!should not load apps you don't know or need.. :-) I know but I know it was for Ethernet and that it's like Intel had it on all Intel TX and above motherboards. :-) > > Oh well, sounds like my 770Z... Eeprom is acting funny... > > eprom ? or flash bios memory..?? The one that stores the serial number and stuff. That's why my board had to be replaced. I guess the ThinkPad is the only item where I don't get a exchange if it breaks down during the first 30 days. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 3 20:57:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA19587 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11191; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:55:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10973; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yonge.cs.toronto.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10959; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yonge.cs.toronto.edu (128.100.2.11 -> yonge.cs.toronto.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:55:42 -0400 Received: from dvp.cs.toronto.edu ([128.100.1.15]) by yonge.cs.toronto.edu with SMTP id <86733-25503>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:55:36 -0400 Received: by dvp.cs.toronto.edu id <15630-11543>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:55:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:55:24 -0400 From: Alvin Chia-Hua Shih To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP770ED glitchy video input? Message-ID: <19990603205524.A16344@dvp.cs> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i List-Unsubscribe: I was wondering if anyone knows whether or not a cure exists for the glitchy video input on the Enhanced Video Adapter that comes with the TP770ED. I'd like to do some video capture, but the glitches make the resultant captures unbearable. Thanks. ACS -- Alvin C. Shih | To live in a society that does not treat | its elders with dignity is to live in a http://www.cs.utoronto.ca/~acs/ | society of constant fear; for no one is ftp://ftp.cs.utoronto.ca/pub/acs/ | immune to the effects of time... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 00:22:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA21307 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17482; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:20:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17356; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17336; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.160 -> slip-32-100-39-160.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:20:42 -0400 Message-ID: <001001beae43$2299cfe0$a0276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: Subject: Suspend Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:31:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEAE21.9902BD80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEAE21.9902BD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A while back I wrote about a problem I had with suspend. When I came = home one day and pulled out the notebook it was very hot. Apparently it = had come out of suspend at some point and in the carrying case it built = up a lot of heat.=20 Today I may have found the culprit. I noticed that when the notebook is = in suspend and I plug a phone line into the modem it will bring the = system out of suspend. On removing the phone line it does not wake the = system, which is what most people probably would do after a suspend.=20 I thought that interesting enough to alert others to this 'shortcoming' = as I for one was not to happy to come home and find a burning notebook = and the battery at 30%. Don ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEAE21.9902BD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A while back I wrote about a problem I = had with=20 suspend. When I came home one day and pulled out the notebook it was = very hot.=20 Apparently it had come out of suspend at some point and in the carrying = case it=20 built up a lot of heat.
Today I may have found the culprit. I = noticed that=20 when the notebook is in suspend and I plug a phone line into the modem = it will=20 bring the system out of suspend. On removing the phone line it does not = wake the=20 system, which is what most people probably would do after a suspend.=20
I thought that interesting enough to = alert others=20 to this 'shortcoming' as I for one was not to happy to come home and = find a=20 burning notebook and the battery at 30%.
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEAE21.9902BD80-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 01:08:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA21744 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19171; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:06:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18905; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access.mbnet.mb.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18869; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access.mbnet.mb.ca (204.112.54.11 -> access.mbnet.mb.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:06:37 -0400 Received: from wkst014.kortexcomputer.com (ts2m-2.mbnet.mb.ca [207.161.101.195]) by access.mbnet.mb.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA17525 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:06:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: by wkst014.kortexcomputer.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BEAE1D.C0A47300@wkst014.kortexcomputer.com>; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:04:02 -0500 Message-ID: <01BEAE1D.C0A47300@wkst014.kortexcomputer.com> From: Jason Savage To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Need help with LCD problem... Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:53:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Be very very careful unseating the video connector. Those ribbon cables = are highly fragile. A coworker of mine just snapped the darn ribbon = cable on the keyboard a Thinkpad 600 today. Real ugly. Jason Savage Savage@mbnet.mb.ca -----Original Message----- From: STeve Andre' [SMTP:andres@pilot.msu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 8:38 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Need help with LCD problem... Heh! Yes, the addressing logic may well be fried, but it occurs to me that I saw something like this once. The LCD panel was OK, but the connector to it was slightly loose, such that odd things came out on the screen. If this is the case--and it most likely isn't--then the cure is to take the laptop part of the panel apart, so you can find the (presumably) ribbon connector to the display. You'll have to take that apart and reseat it, but that would fix a bad connection problem. I'll bet that its in the LCD display however. The fact that external video works suggests that the video hardware is fine, pointing more fingers at the LCD display. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 05:14 PM 6/1/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: >On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > >> I have a 755CDV. There is a grey line, 3/4" in width, running down = the >> side of the screen. You can read through the line. External display >> works perfectly. >> Anyone have an idea as to what part may be bad? LCD itself, cable, = video >> card or what? >> Thanks for any help! > > As Steve Andre would say, I'll bet that something in the >row/column addressing logic for the screen has died. If that is the = case, >then looking at a new computer might not be that unreasonable, as a >replacement screen is rather expensive. Any one pixel can go into a >blown-open state but for a line of them, something in the controlling >logic has to go. > > >Cheers, >Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ = ____=20 >Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / = |[__ ] >GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | = __] ] =20 >Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | = __] ] >HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin = /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 01:09:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA21749 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19176; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:06:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18921; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access.mbnet.mb.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18880; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access.mbnet.mb.ca (204.112.54.11 -> access.mbnet.mb.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:06:40 -0400 Received: from wkst014.kortexcomputer.com (ts2m-2.mbnet.mb.ca [207.161.101.195]) by access.mbnet.mb.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA17585 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:06:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: by wkst014.kortexcomputer.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BEAE1D.C2CA8750@wkst014.kortexcomputer.com>; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:04:05 -0500 Message-ID: <01BEAE1D.C2CA8750@wkst014.kortexcomputer.com> From: Jason Savage To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: A re-introduction Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 22:26:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: After a two year hiatus. I am back on the list. My name is Jason = Savage. I'm a Certified Netware Administrator. I work for a computer = reseller (they are, of course, an IBM partner). My personal machine is = an IBM ThinkPad 701C, DX4-100, 40MB RAM, 2 720MB Hardrives (running = Win95 and Win98 for now). I also help out the internal guys maintain = our fleet ThinkPad 380s, 755s, 600s and one 310 at my office. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 02:19:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA22431 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 02:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21483; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 02:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 02:17:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21303; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 02:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21290; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 02:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 02:17:21 -0400 Received: from wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (fsict-tc5-34.fn.net) by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) with ESMTP id <01JBZG649GL0I1BKC5@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:19:02 CST Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 01:11:02 -0500 From: Jon Subject: 770e BIG problems To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <37576DF5.CE0BA53C@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,zh,zh-TW,af List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I just got a used 770e for a great price but it has some tricks/problems on it. 1) The previous owner installed win 98 and had 2 partition on the HD. Although the HD is of a total of 5 gig but c: 2 gig and d: 2 gig. I dont know where the 1 gig went. 2) I am planning to completely reformat the computer, but the dvd drive wont read the recovery cd and let me run it. 3) When i try to use the cd rom (yes i got both the dvd and cd rom drives) to read the recovery cd i get infinete loops on the computer ( the computer reads the memory and then restart itself over and over again). The same goes with the floppy drive and the ibm recover floppy program. 4) Even with the cd rom in the ultra bay i will get infinite loop when booting up the laptop. 3) I cant have the DVD player to play dvd movies under win 98. I already installed the drivers and soft dvd program. The message i got when trying to play dvd is < drive not ready/no disc > (the drive can read audio and normal pc program cd well) What are the suggestions of all the experts out there ? should i reformat everything and come with a clean HD and drivers ??? How do i get the drive to read and run the recovery cd ? Thank you in advance for all your help, Sincerely, Jon From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 05:12:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA23104 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 05:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29569; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 05:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 05:11:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29385; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 05:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wineasy.se (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29366; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 05:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wineasy.se (195.42.198.41 -> server1.wineasy.se) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 05:11:07 -0400 Received: from [195.42.201.73] by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.at1j) with ESMTP id qa671492 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:10:49 +0200 X-Sender: courage@mail.wineasy.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 15:57:49 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Wennersten Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems Message-Id: <09104913300037@wineasy.se> List-Unsubscribe: could someone briefly tell me what should be done during such a burn-in period. Using the computer all the time, running test programs, anything else? Also, apart from the computer breaking down and emitting smoke, how do I know I've got bad memory? Are the programs that test this? Freeware? Thanks, Peter > The purpose of adding memory is to >speed up a machine and reduce the load on the HDD from swapping..... >.....it's important to do the 72 hour burn-in period to make sure it works >correctly since if it fails, it will usually fail by then. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 08:07:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23639 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09627; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:05:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09459; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09446; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (192.134.240.50 -> uhbhic.uhb.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:05:24 -0400 Received: from uhb.fr (cb1342.uhb.fr [192.134.240.31]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id OAA22694 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:05:14 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3757C363.60F612C3@uhb.fr> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 14:15:31 +0200 From: Sylvestre Meininger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpads Subject: Which Zip Drive hotswaps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I know this has been recently discussed, but which brand of Internal Zip Drive does real hotswapping on a 770ED ? And would Bill (hi Bill !) sell any ? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 08:11:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23662 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10092; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:08:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09927; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09914; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:08:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA22053; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 05:08:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 05:08:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Suspend In-Reply-To: <001001beae43$2299cfe0$a0276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Donald Mak wrote: Don, > A while back I wrote about a problem I had with suspend. When I came > home one day and pulled out the notebook it was very hot. Apparently > it had come out of suspend at some point and in the carrying case it > built up a lot of heat. Today I may have found the culprit. I noticed > that when the notebook is in suspend and I plug a phone line into the > modem it will bring the system out of suspend. On removing the phone > line it does not wake the system, which is what most people probably > would do after a suspend. I thought that interesting enough to alert > others to this 'shortcoming' as I for one was not to happy to come > home and find a burning notebook and the battery at 30%. Have you tried going to ThinkPad Configuration, Power Management, Suspend/Resume options and uncheck the resume on incoming phone call that's on by default? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 08:28:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23760 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11866; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:26:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11665; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11650; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.119 -> pilot019.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:26:08 -0400 Received: from andres (port27.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.166]) by pilot019.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA39516 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:26:03 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990604082826.008c4100@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 08:28:26 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: <09104913300037@wineasy.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: In my experience, just leaving a unit on for a while and then simply using it has flushed out most problems. Will this find all problems? No--there are some conditions where a failure doesn't occur until a specifc bit pattern is held, but in my estimation that doesn't happen very often any more. Usually, flakey memory announces itself as soon as you turn the computer on. I don't think I've seen bad memory more than two times in the last four years, and both displayed their problems immediately. Yes, there are memory testers, but they are fairly specifc to the type of RAM being tested, and frankly I don't think they're very worthwhile any more. If anyone has experience to the contrary I'd be interested in learning more. So, if you want to test new memory, I'd say just use it a bunch a look for problems. Leave the unit on when you aren't using it. If you don't get errors in the first four days you probably won't see problems for a long time. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 03:57 PM 6/3/99 -0400, Peter Wennersten wrote: > >could someone briefly tell me what should be done during such a burn-in >period. Using the computer all the time, running test programs, anything else? > >Also, apart from the computer breaking down and emitting smoke, how do I >know I've got bad memory? Are the programs that test this? Freeware? > >Thanks, > >Peter > >> The purpose of adding memory is to >>speed up a machine and reduce the load on the HDD from swapping..... >>.....it's important to do the 72 hour burn-in period to make sure it works >>correctly since if it fails, it will usually fail by then. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 08:35:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23805 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12592; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:34:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12439; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12426; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:34:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA22184; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 05:33:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 05:33:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "STeve Andre'" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990604082826.008c4100@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: > In my experience, just leaving a unit on for a while and then simply using > it has flushed out most problems. Will this find all problems? No--there > are some conditions where a failure doesn't occur until a specifc bit > pattern is held, but in my estimation that doesn't happen very often any > more. > > Usually, flakey memory announces itself as soon as you turn the computer on. > I don't think I've seen bad memory more than two times in the last four > years, and both displayed their problems immediately. Actually, this is only true with Parity memory. Non-parity memory doesn't announce itself until it's too late. > Yes, there are memory testers, but they are fairly specifc to the type of > RAM being tested, and frankly I don't think they're very worthwhile any > more. If anyone has experience to the contrary I'd be interested in > learning more. > > So, if you want to test new memory, I'd say just use it a bunch a look > for problems. Leave the unit on when you aren't using it. If you don't > get errors in the first four days you probably won't see problems for a > long time. Yep, that's a good point. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 09:36:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA24189 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10750; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:13:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10526; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10322; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:11:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA22072; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 05:11:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 05:11:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Peter Wennersten cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: <09104913300037@wineasy.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Peter Wennersten wrote: Peter, > could someone briefly tell me what should be done during such a > burn-in period. Using the computer all the time, running test > programs, anything else? Probably should just leave it on and just try using the machine as you normally would. > Also, apart from the computer breaking down and emitting smoke, how do I > know I've got bad memory? Are the programs that test this? Freeware? You will usually get all sorts of errors :-) Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 09:49:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA24314 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16848; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:47:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16611; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0f.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16597; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0f.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.35 -> www0f.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:47:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 13668 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 1999 13:47:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19990604134706.13667.qmail@www0f.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.35 by www0f via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Fri Jun 4 13:47:06 GMT 1999 Date: 4 Jun 99 08:47:06 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Jon , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [770e BIG problems] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Please see comments below... Jon wrote: > Hi all, > = > I just got a used 770e for a great price but it has some tricks/problem= s > on it. So what are these things going for these days? > = > 1) The previous owner installed win 98 and had 2 partition on the HD. > Although the HD is of a total of 5 gig but c: 2 gig and d: 2 gig. I don= t > know where the 1 gig went. A program like FDISK or the NT disk administrator will be able to find an= d make usable your remaining GB. I'm not sure if the recovery CD has an op= tion to completely repartition your drive or not. > = > 2) I am planning to completely reformat the computer, but the dvd drive= > wont read the recovery cd and let me run it. > = > 3) When i try to use the cd rom (yes i got both the dvd and cd rom > drives) to read the recovery cd i get infinete loops on the computer ( > the computer reads the memory and then restart itself over and over > again). The same goes with the floppy drive and the ibm recover floppy > program. Have you been able to read or boot from the recovery CD on any other comp= uter? Could the CD itself be bad? As new as that PC is, it should be under warranty, so perhaps you can get another recovery CD from IBM (for free o= r a small fee). > = > 4) Even with the cd rom in the ultra bay i will get infinite loop when > booting up the laptop. Are you saying that just the CD drive in the laptop, with no CD in it, ca= uses this auto-rebooting? Time to have IBM service things. Can you read anything on the recovery CD from either the CD or the DVD dr= ive? = If so, you might be able to just copy the Windows *.cab files to the HD a= nd use them to install Win98. You wouldn't get the full system recovered, b= ut you can add most of the drivers and utilities manually by downloading the= m >from IBM. I believe the *.cabs are zipped up in the main data file on th= e recovery CD. A program like WinZip should be able to let you view and ex= tract them. > = > 3) I cant have the DVD player to play dvd movies under win 98. I alread= y > installed the drivers and soft dvd program. The message i got when > trying to play dvd is < drive not ready/no disc > (the drive can read= > audio and normal pc program cd well) > = > What are the suggestions of all the experts out there ? should i > reformat everything and come with a clean HD and drivers ??? How do i > get the drive to read and run the recovery cd ? > = > Thank you in advance for all your help, > = > Sincerely, > = > Jon Reformatting and starting with a fresh system is definitely your best bet= with a used PC, but if you can't do via the recovery CD there are always other= options. Since you have a valid license for Win98, perhaps you can just borrow a Win98 install CD from work or a friend. However, it sounds like= you have additional problems with the laptop that are hardware related. Call= EZ-Serve and get them to fix it under warranty. I believe the number is 800-772-2227. Good luck, Rob p.s. If you can't get it working, I'll take the crummy thing off your ha= nds for $500... ;-) ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 10:24:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24657 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19145; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:22:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18979; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18938; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (208.229.252.236) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:22:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01beae97$2f513b20$7b1113ac@chubb.com> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Rob Bell" , "Jon" , References: <19990604134706.13667.qmail@www0f.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: [770e BIG problems] Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:33:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: There was a batch of Recovery CD that were bad and had to be replaced. If you are having the same problem with both the CD and DVD drive I would call IBM and ask for a replacement CD. Remember, the Recovery CD will install as it shipped from the factory. You wrote that the previous owner had installed Win98. Originally these shipped with Win95. If you want to keep Win98 then do a fresh install AFTER you have downloaded the updated drivers from the Thinkpad site. Don > 1) The previous owner installed win 98 and had 2 partition on the HD. > Although the HD is of a total of 5 gig but c: 2 gig and d: 2 gig. I dont > know where the 1 gig went. A program like FDISK or the NT disk administrator will be able to find and make usable your remaining GB. I'm not sure if the recovery CD has an option to completely repartition your drive or not. > > 2) I am planning to completely reformat the computer, but the dvd drive > wont read the recovery cd and let me run it. > > 3) When i try to use the cd rom (yes i got both the dvd and cd rom > drives) to read the recovery cd i get infinete loops on the computer ( > the computer reads the memory and then restart itself over and over > again). The same goes with the floppy drive and the ibm recover floppy > program. Have you been able to read or boot from the recovery CD on any other computer? Could the CD itself be bad? As new as that PC is, it should be under warranty, so perhaps you can get another recovery CD from IBM (for free or a small fee). > > 4) Even with the cd rom in the ultra bay i will get infinite loop when > booting up the laptop. Are you saying that just the CD drive in the laptop, with no CD in it, causes this auto-rebooting? Time to have IBM service things. Can you read anything on the recovery CD from either the CD or the DVD drive? If so, you might be able to just copy the Windows *.cab files to the HD and use them to install Win98. You wouldn't get the full system recovered, but you can add most of the drivers and utilities manually by downloading them >from IBM. I believe the *.cabs are zipped up in the main data file on the recovery CD. A program like WinZip should be able to let you view and extract them. > > 3) I cant have the DVD player to play dvd movies under win 98. I already > installed the drivers and soft dvd program. The message i got when > trying to play dvd is < drive not ready/no disc > (the drive can read > audio and normal pc program cd well) > > What are the suggestions of all the experts out there ? should i > reformat everything and come with a clean HD and drivers ??? How do i > get the drive to read and run the recovery cd ? > > Thank you in advance for all your help, > > Sincerely, > > Jon Reformatting and starting with a fresh system is definitely your best bet with a used PC, but if you can't do via the recovery CD there are always other options. Since you have a valid license for Win98, perhaps you can just borrow a Win98 install CD from work or a friend. However, it sounds like you have additional problems with the laptop that are hardware related. Call EZ-Serve and get them to fix it under warranty. I believe the number is 800-772-2227. Good luck, Rob p.s. If you can't get it working, I'll take the crummy thing off your hands for $500... ;-) ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 10:26:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24676 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19590; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:24:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19274; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19259; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (208.229.252.236) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:24:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01beae97$72870aa0$7b1113ac@chubb.com> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Suspend Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:35:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I'll give it a try just to see what happens....but I really would not want to get rid of that feature since I do occasionally use it. Don > > A while back I wrote about a problem I had with suspend. When I came > > home one day and pulled out the notebook it was very hot. Apparently > > it had come out of suspend at some point and in the carrying case it > > built up a lot of heat. Today I may have found the culprit. I noticed > > that when the notebook is in suspend and I plug a phone line into the > > modem it will bring the system out of suspend. On removing the phone > > line it does not wake the system, which is what most people probably > > would do after a suspend. I thought that interesting enough to alert > > others to this 'shortcoming' as I for one was not to happy to come > > home and find a burning notebook and the battery at 30%. > > Have you tried going to ThinkPad Configuration, Power Management, > Suspend/Resume options and uncheck the resume on incoming phone call > that's on by default? > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 11:13:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA25215 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22772; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:10:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22472; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22440; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:10:35 -0400 Received: from wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (fsict-tc14-37.fn.net) by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) with ESMTP id <01JBZYS5HYF0I1BE12@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:12:12 CST Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 10:04:09 -0500 From: Jon Subject: Re: [770e BIG problems] To: Donald Mak , rbell@netscape.net, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <3757EAE9.A8E4C686@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,zh,zh-TW,af References: <19990604134706.13667.qmail@www0f.netaddress.usa.net> <000c01beae97$2f513b20$7b1113ac@chubb.com> List-Unsubscribe: 1) I can read the recovery cd in the dvd. But when i boot up the system with the recovery cd on it, the thing doesnt boot up and give me the option to reinstall the whole laptop. the same story for the recovery diskette 2) the cd rom will do the infinite loop thing even without any cd on it. the system wont boot up with the cd rom in the ultra bay. 3) what do you mean that i have hardware problems ? Is it serious ? 4) the original machine comes with win 95 and the owner installed win 98. i doubt that the owner is capable and in the same time he managed to mess things up. the recovery cd is win 95. 5) how long is turn around time for IBM if the machine had to be send there ? thanks again, Jon > > > 1) The previous owner installed win 98 and had 2 partition on the HD. > > Although the HD is of a total of 5 gig but c: 2 gig and d: 2 gig. I dont > > know where the 1 gig went. > > A program like FDISK or the NT disk administrator will be able to find and > make usable your remaining GB. I'm not sure if the recovery CD has an > option > to completely repartition your drive or not. > > > > > 2) I am planning to completely reformat the computer, but the dvd drive > > wont read the recovery cd and let me run it. > > > > 3) When i try to use the cd rom (yes i got both the dvd and cd rom > > drives) to read the recovery cd i get infinete loops on the computer ( > > the computer reads the memory and then restart itself over and over > > again). The same goes with the floppy drive and the ibm recover floppy > > program. > > Have you been able to read or boot from the recovery CD on any other > computer? > Could the CD itself be bad? As new as that PC is, it should be under > warranty, so perhaps you can get another recovery CD from IBM (for free or a > small fee). > > > > > 4) Even with the cd rom in the ultra bay i will get infinite loop when > > booting up the laptop. > > Are you saying that just the CD drive in the laptop, with no CD in it, > causes > this auto-rebooting? Time to have IBM service things. > > Can you read anything on the recovery CD from either the CD or the DVD > drive? > If so, you might be able to just copy the Windows *.cab files to the HD and > use them to install Win98. You wouldn't get the full system recovered, but > you can add most of the drivers and utilities manually by downloading them > from IBM. I believe the *.cabs are zipped up in the main data file on the > recovery CD. A program like WinZip should be able to let you view and > extract > them. > > > > > 3) I cant have the DVD player to play dvd movies under win 98. I already > > installed the drivers and soft dvd program. The message i got when > > trying to play dvd is < drive not ready/no disc > (the drive can read > > audio and normal pc program cd well) > > > > What are the suggestions of all the experts out there ? should i > > reformat everything and come with a clean HD and drivers ??? How do i > > get the drive to read and run the recovery cd ? > > > > Thank you in advance for all your help, > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Jon > > Reformatting and starting with a fresh system is definitely your best bet > with > a used PC, but if you can't do via the recovery CD there are always other > options. Since you have a valid license for Win98, perhaps you can just > borrow a Win98 install CD from work or a friend. However, it sounds like > you > have additional problems with the laptop that are hardware related. Call > EZ-Serve and get them to fix it under warranty. I believe the number is > 800-772-2227. > > Good luck, > Rob > > p.s. If you can't get it working, I'll take the crummy thing off your hands > for $500... ;-) > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 11:23:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA25416 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23986; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:22:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23795; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpcug.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23780; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:21:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from cpcug.org (205.197.248.25 -> cpcug.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:21:54 -0400 Received: from dc-hiper129.idsonline.com (dc-hiper129.idsonline.com [205.177.251.129]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA20404 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:19:29 -0400 (EDT) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 1451---cellular modem/ethernet cards Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 15:18:55 GMT Message-ID: <375698ac.1850226@cpcug.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: I run Win98 and Red Hat Linux 6.0 on my TP...Can anyone recommend a good 10/100 net card for the TP 1451? Also, a good 56K V.90 cellular aware = modem card? or perhaps there's "the" combo card. I here Linksys is great = because they offer support if you are running Red Hat Linux. But, I didn't see a modem card from Linksys that was cellular aware. They have a nice combo card, the Etherfast 10/100 +56K V.90 (#PCMLM56). Will a cell aware modem card also have a port to allow for a connection to a std phone line? Tia = to any replies... ---- Russ Winkler ICQ#13977273 mailto:russw@cpcug.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 11:51:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA25704 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26080; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:48:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25938; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww182.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25917; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww182.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.82 -> ww182.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:48:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 9319 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 1999 15:48:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19990604154824.9318.qmail@ww182.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.82 by ww182 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Fri Jun 4 15:48:24 GMT 1999 Date: 4 Jun 99 10:48:24 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Jon , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [770e BIG problems] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: OK, more information that we can use to diagnose things... Jon wrote: > 1) I can read the recovery cd in the dvd. But when i boot up the system= with the > recovery cd on it, the thing doesnt boot up and give me the option to reinstall > the whole laptop. the same story for the recovery diskette Sounds like the drive is not in the boot order. Check in the BIOS (by ho= lding F1 while powering on the system). Make sure the CD/DVD icon is shown in = the boot order before the HD1 is. That's probably why the recovery CD isn't starting. > = > 2) the cd rom will do the infinite loop thing even without any cd on it= =2E the > system wont boot up with the cd rom in the ultra bay. This is what I mean by hardware problem. Obviously, the PC should be abl= e to boot fine with an empty CD drive installed in the UltraBay. I've never h= eard of this problem on ThinkPads, so I don't know what the actual cause is, b= ut if the DVD drive works fine then I'd suspect the CD drive itself. EZ-Serve should be able to troubleshoot this better than I can and maybe they can = just swap a replacement CD drive for you without sending in your PC. > = > 3) what do you mean that i have hardware problems ? Is it serious ? Serious? Depends how badly you want to use the CD drive! ;-) > = > 4) the original machine comes with win 95 and the owner installed win = 98. i > doubt that the owner is capable and in the same time he managed to mess= things > up. > the recovery cd is win 95. Well, if you want to keep Win98, then the recovery CD won't help you. If= you're willing to go back to Win95, then you're fine. As long as I was r= ight in #1 and switching the boot order allows you to boot from the recovery C= D in the DVD drive, then that's what I'd suggest doing. Alternatively, you ca= n fix the partitions yourself (with FDISK) and attempt to clean up the Win98 install. You don't mention if there are specific problems with Win98 or = if you just want to start from a clean slate. Remember, Win98 has a utility= that checks system files and fix problems. Although without the Win98 media y= ou're probably SOL. > = > 5) how long is turn around time for IBM if the machine had to be send = there ? Usually a couple of days, from what I've heard here on the list. > = > thanks again, > = > Jon HTH, Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 12:26:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26173 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29807; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:24:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29602; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from baker.cnw.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29589; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from baker.cnw.com (206.40.133.20 -> baker.cnw.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:24:10 -0400 Received: from TEST (dyn-128-90.mtvernon.cnw.net [207.149.128.90]) by baker.cnw.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA16959 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906041623.JAA16959@baker.cnw.com> From: Jon Stables Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 09:19:22 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 floppy? problem X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: The floppy drive on my 701 quit working, but I don't think it is the drive itself. I tried another new drive and got the same result. The drive spins, but the head does not seek and the light never comes on. The error message says the device is not ready. The warranty was up in April. Any suggestions? Vicky -- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 12:44:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26385 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01389; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:42:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01278; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01265; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:42:49 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-397.gate.net [199.227.131.206]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA243054; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:44:18 -0400 Message-ID: <375801F9.94C6DC9C@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:42:34 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems References: <3.0.6.32.19990604082826.008c4100@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steve.. you're right, to a point.. i have seen bad memory that runs fine, tests ok, but fails when the OS accesses the flaky area.. best test is NT or OS/2 and look for crashes on an otherwise stable install STeve Andre' wrote: > In my experience, just leaving a unit on for a while and then simply using > it has flushed out most problems. Will this find all problems? No--there > are some conditions where a failure doesn't occur until a specifc bit > pattern is held, but in my estimation that doesn't happen very often any > more. > > Usually, flakey memory announces itself as soon as you turn the computer on. > I don't think I've seen bad memory more than two times in the last four > years, and both displayed their problems immediately. > > Yes, there are memory testers, but they are fairly specifc to the type of > RAM being tested, and frankly I don't think they're very worthwhile any > more. If anyone has experience to the contrary I'd be interested in > learning more. > > So, if you want to test new memory, I'd say just use it a bunch a look > for problems. Leave the unit on when you aren't using it. If you don't > get errors in the first four days you probably won't see problems for a > long time. > > --STeve Andre' > andres@pilot.msu.edu > > At 03:57 PM 6/3/99 -0400, Peter Wennersten wrote: > > > >could someone briefly tell me what should be done during such a burn-in > >period. Using the computer all the time, running test programs, anything > else? > > > >Also, apart from the computer breaking down and emitting smoke, how do I > >know I've got bad memory? Are the programs that test this? Freeware? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peter > > > >> The purpose of adding memory is to > >>speed up a machine and reduce the load on the HDD from swapping..... > >>.....it's important to do the 72 hour burn-in period to make sure it works > >>correctly since if it fails, it will usually fail by then. > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 12:49:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26443 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02296; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:46:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01963; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01817; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:45:50 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-397.gate.net [199.227.131.206]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA226370; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:47:24 -0400 Message-ID: <375802B3.2C884F75@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:45:39 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon Stables CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 floppy? problem References: <199906041623.JAA16959@baker.cnw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: it might be the cable, or the controller.. one is easy, the other is easy serve.. be happy its still under warranty.. i hope you mean april 2000.. :-) Jon Stables wrote: > The floppy drive on my 701 quit working, but I don't think it is the drive > itself. I tried another new drive and got the same result. The drive > spins, but the head does not seek and the light never comes on. The error > message says the device is not ready. The warranty was up in April. > > Any suggestions? > > Vicky > -- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 13:37:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA27064 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02077; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:45:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01749; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tcsnpop1.tcsn.uswest.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01716; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tcsnpop1.tcsn.uswest.net (207.108.112.1 -> tcsnpop1.tcsn.uswest.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:45:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 18711 invoked by alias); 4 Jun 1999 16:45:20 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU@fixme Received: (qmail 18695 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 1999 16:45:19 -0000 Received: from dialupa105.tcsn.uswest.net (HELO bill) (209.180.113.105) by tcsnpop1.tcsn.uswest.net with SMTP; 4 Jun 1999 16:45:19 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990604094506.0081a650@pop.tcsn.uswest.net> X-Sender: kb7vkl@pop.tcsn.uswest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 09:45:06 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Bill S." Subject: TP 700 & dock? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: My TP is a 700 and I'd like to use it on a 3550 docking station at home. It's used to run an old DOS amateur radio packet program that won't run under any form of windows. Now the problem; the 700 runs the packet programs fine when it's powered by the brick power supply but when it's in the dock it generates a hard drive read error. The error says that it can't read from the specified drive. It does this ONLY with the program that I want to run, all other software appears to operate properly on this machine in the dock! This is a reproducible error among two 700s and three docks. I suspect that there's a SCSI driver loading when the machine is docked, how would I go about disabling that driver and still operate on the dock? Could the problem be another driver or hardware? TIA, Bill From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 13:55:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA27369 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06704; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:52:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06497; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06483; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:52:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24027; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:51:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:51:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: "STeve Andre'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand & 770Z Service Problems In-Reply-To: <375801F9.94C6DC9C@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Bill, > you're right, to a point.. > > i have seen bad memory that runs fine, tests ok, but fails when the OS > accesses the flaky area.. > > best test is NT or OS/2 and look for crashes on an otherwise stable install Actually, the best thing is either FreeBSD or Linux since they both test memory really well... Any bad hardware and things don't work. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 14:06:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27516 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07730; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:05:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07602; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07588; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:04:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24152; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:04:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:04:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Suspend In-Reply-To: <000d01beae97$72870aa0$7b1113ac@chubb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Donald Mak wrote: Hello Don, > I'll give it a try just to see what happens....but I really would not want > to get rid of that feature since I do occasionally use it. If it works then it's a bug in the feature and you may want to mention it to Terry @ IBM Discussion Forum. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > A while back I wrote about a problem I had with suspend. When I came > > > home one day and pulled out the notebook it was very hot. Apparently > > > it had come out of suspend at some point and in the carrying case it > > > built up a lot of heat. Today I may have found the culprit. I noticed > > > that when the notebook is in suspend and I plug a phone line into the > > > modem it will bring the system out of suspend. On removing the phone > > > line it does not wake the system, which is what most people probably > > > would do after a suspend. I thought that interesting enough to alert > > > others to this 'shortcoming' as I for one was not to happy to come > > > home and find a burning notebook and the battery at 30%. > > > > Have you tried going to ThinkPad Configuration, Power Management, > > Suspend/Resume options and uncheck the resume on incoming phone call > > that's on by default? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 14:12:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27615 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08433; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:10:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08318; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08284; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:10:13 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-397.gate.net [199.227.131.206]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA316960; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:11:41 -0400 Message-ID: <37581674.273FB352@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 14:09:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Cost is down! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I just learned that SDRAM prices have dropped.. (just when i was warning of a possible increase!) at least until tariff's are applied to protect micron and other US manufacturers.. so 128meg parts for a 770 and or a 600 or 570 or newer 656's are $389 and 64meg parts are about $115 depending upon which machine they are for.. **BIG SNIPPAGE HERE** -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 14:18:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27727 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09478; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:16:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09210; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09178; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:16:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24271; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:16:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:16:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Cost is down! In-Reply-To: <37581674.273FB352@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > I just learned that SDRAM prices have dropped.. (just when i was > warning of a possible increase!) at least until tariff's are applied > to protect micron and other US manufacturers.. > > so 128meg parts for a 770 and or a 600 or 570 or newer 656's are $389 > and 64meg parts are about $115 depending upon which machine they are > for.. Wow, who is selling it for $389? I know Crucial has it for $359. But $389 is a big drop from the $450 national average. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 14:26:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27837 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10399; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:23:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10096; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10080; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:23:33 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-397.gate.net [199.227.131.206]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA105200; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:25:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3758199D.80CE9DC4@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 14:23:25 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Cost is down! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: ME.. ! no time to adjust prices on my web site, but this is a drop ship from my vendor.. lifetime warranty and so forth.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > I just learned that SDRAM prices have dropped.. (just when i was > > warning of a possible increase!) at least until tariff's are applied > > to protect micron and other US manufacturers.. > > > > so 128meg parts for a 770 and or a 600 or 570 or newer 656's are $389 > > and 64meg parts are about $115 depending upon which machine they are > > for.. > > Wow, who is selling it for $389? I know Crucial has it for $359. > But $389 is a big drop from the $450 national average. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 14:42:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA28078 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11858; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:40:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11723; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11707; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:40:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24404; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:40:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:40:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Cost is down! In-Reply-To: <3758199D.80CE9DC4@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > ME.. ! > no time to adjust prices on my web site, but this is a drop ship from my > vendor.. > lifetime warranty and so forth.. Atleast I have to give you credit for dropping prices instead of other vendors hiding it and charging inflated pricing until it's widely known. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 16:13:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA29223 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17322; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:11:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17138; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17125; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (24.113.61.37 -> cr634166-a.rct1.bc.wave.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:11:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (devel@localhost) by vip.psychonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA02192; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:11:04 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:11:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve To: Vincent Poy cc: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Cost is down! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Somebody somewhere must still be making some decent coin on the ram, my best price for the 128 meg part with lifetime warranty is $370.00 cdn, or roughly 250.00 US dollars...Thats my discounted price from a large ram vendor in Eastern Canada. Steve On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > ME.. ! > > no time to adjust prices on my web site, but this is a drop ship from my > > vendor.. > > lifetime warranty and so forth.. > > Atleast I have to give you credit for dropping prices instead of > other vendors hiding it and charging inflated pricing until it's widely > known. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 16:47:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA29691 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19141; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:44:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18845; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18831; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:44:21 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-397.gate.net [199.227.131.206]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA448270; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:45:50 -0400 Message-ID: <37583A96.D2663108@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 16:44:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve CC: Vincent Poy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Cost is down! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: someone someplace is making $$ on any transaction.. thats the way of business.. otherwise, why bother.. :-) but $370 cdn is a terrific price.. grab it.. ! IF you want more memory.. BTW, who is the this large memory vendor..?? Steve wrote: > Somebody somewhere must still be making some decent coin on the ram, my > best price for the 128 meg part with lifetime warranty is $370.00 cdn, or > roughly 250.00 US dollars...Thats my discounted price from a large ram > vendor in Eastern Canada. > > Steve > > On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > ME.. ! > > > no time to adjust prices on my web site, but this is a drop ship from my > > > vendor.. > > > lifetime warranty and so forth.. > > > > Atleast I have to give you credit for dropping prices instead of > > other vendors hiding it and charging inflated pricing until it's widely > > known. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 18:16:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00902 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23256; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:11:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23074; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23060; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:11:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA25337; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:10:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:10:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Steve cc: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Cost is down! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Steve wrote: > Somebody somewhere must still be making some decent coin on the ram, my > best price for the 128 meg part with lifetime warranty is $370.00 cdn, or > roughly 250.00 US dollars...Thats my discounted price from a large ram > vendor in Eastern Canada. Seems like everyone is making atleast a 50% profit... Even Crucial.. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 18:29:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01072 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24272; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:28:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24150; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24137; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:28:15 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-184.gate.net [207.36.212.184]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA404954; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:29:50 -0400 Message-ID: <375852F6.B26191C8@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 18:28:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Steve , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Cost is down! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i doubt a 50% profit.. markup maybe.. 50% gross margin.. ? possible.. but profit, i think not.. i'm not sure what the economics are, but after tech support, plant, inventory, sales, support, taxes and so forth, its hard to say what the exact profit is.. but as for me, give me profit, or give me.. uhh.. well, you get the idea.. i'm not selling memory, hard drives, thinkpads or anything else just to keep busy.. when i was cruising on the boat, i could read, relax, enjoy my birds, take time to cruise and explore the places we stayed at.. now, i have little time for anything but business.. (i must admit, i'm investing in other areas, but no profit = no business) i thought communism was out.. ? :-) Vincent Poy wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Steve wrote: > > > Somebody somewhere must still be making some decent coin on the ram, my > > best price for the 128 meg part with lifetime warranty is $370.00 cdn, or > > roughly 250.00 US dollars...Thats my discounted price from a large ram > > vendor in Eastern Canada. > > Seems like everyone is making atleast a 50% profit... Even > Crucial.. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 18:42:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01236 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25220; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:40:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24980; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24967; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:40:06 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-184.gate.net [207.36.212.184]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA354482; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:41:43 -0400 Message-ID: <375855BF.B90F8D7C@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 18:39:59 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770e BIG problems References: <37576DF5.CE0BA53C@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jon... Jon wrote: > Hi all, > > I just got a used 770e for a great price but it has some tricks/problems > on it. > this might be why..! :-) > 1) The previous owner installed win 98 and had 2 partition on the HD. > Although the HD is of a total of 5 gig but c: 2 gig and d: 2 gig. I dont > know where the 1 gig went. > run fdisk and find out whats going on.. > 2) I am planning to completely reformat the computer, but the dvd drive > wont read the recovery cd and let me run it. > make sure (as said by others) that its the first device in the boot sequence.. > 3) When i try to use the cd rom (yes i got both the dvd and cd rom > drives) to read the recovery cd i get infinete loops on the computer ( > the computer reads the memory and then restart itself over and over > again). The same goes with the floppy drive and the ibm recover floppy > program. > pull all the add in memory, then try again.. > 4) Even with the cd rom in the ultra bay i will get infinite loop when > booting up the laptop. > see above.. > 3) I cant have the DVD player to play dvd movies under win 98. I already > installed the drivers and soft dvd program. The message i got when > trying to play dvd is < drive not ready/no disc > (the drive can read > audio and normal pc program cd well) > typical..first deal with the other problems, start with the original preload.. THEN we'll mess with the DVD movies.. :-) > What are the suggestions of all the experts out there ? should i > reformat everything and come with a clean HD and drivers ??? How do i > get the drive to read and run the recovery cd ? > NOTE:the recovery image is really just a huge zip file.. if you have two HDD's then you can easily do tricks.. but first, pull the memory, then try again... > Thank you in advance for all your help, > > Sincerely, > > Jon -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 18:43:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01254 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25565; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:41:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25278; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25221; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:41:08 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-184.gate.net [207.36.212.184]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA19458; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:42:37 -0400 Message-ID: <375855F5.FC3EDBE9@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 18:40:53 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sylvestre Meininger CC: Thinkpads Subject: Re: Which Zip Drive hotswaps References: <3757C363.60F612C3@uhb.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Sylvestre... i don't know the answer, but i'll help you get one if you want it.. Sylvestre Meininger wrote: > Hi, > > I know this has been recently discussed, but which brand of Internal Zip > Drive does real hotswapping on a 770ED ? > > And would Bill (hi Bill !) sell any ? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 18:48:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01322 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26223; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:46:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26076; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26016; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:46:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA25484; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:46:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:46:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Steve , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Cost is down! In-Reply-To: <375852F6.B26191C8@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > i doubt a 50% profit.. > markup maybe.. > 50% gross margin.. ? possible.. > but profit, i think not.. Hehe, $375 over $250 cost is like $125 profit. > i'm not sure what the economics are, but after tech support, plant, inventory, > sales, support, taxes and so forth, its hard to say what the exact profit is.. That's true... > but as for me, give me profit, or give me.. uhh.. well, you get the idea.. > > i'm not selling memory, hard drives, thinkpads or anything else just to keep > busy.. > > when i was cruising on the boat, i could read, relax, enjoy my birds, > take time to cruise and explore the places we stayed at.. > > now, i have little time for anything but business.. > (i must admit, i'm investing in other areas, but no profit = no business) > > i thought communism was out.. ? :-) Hehe, or do what I do... run a ISP and keep yourself busy 24/7 and invest in the financial markets? =) Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 18:54:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01408 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26850; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:52:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26637; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26624; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:51:57 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-184.gate.net [207.36.212.184]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA352354; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:53:30 -0400 Message-ID: <37585882.C816757F@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 18:51:46 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Steve , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Cost is down! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > i doubt a 50% profit.. > > markup maybe.. > > 50% gross margin.. ? possible.. > > but profit, i think not.. > > Hehe, $375 over $250 cost is like $125 profit. > its canadian vs. USD, no..? not $125 profit..and remember, i have never seen or heard of this cheap vendor.. > > i'm not sure what the economics are, but after tech support, plant, inventory, > > sales, support, taxes and so forth, its hard to say what the exact profit is.. > > That's true... > > > but as for me, give me profit, or give me.. uhh.. well, you get the idea.. > > > > i'm not selling memory, hard drives, thinkpads or anything else just to keep > > busy.. > > > > when i was cruising on the boat, i could read, relax, enjoy my birds, > > take time to cruise and explore the places we stayed at.. > > > > now, i have little time for anything but business.. > > (i must admit, i'm investing in other areas, but no profit = no business) > > > > i thought communism was out.. ? :-) > > Hehe, or do what I do... run a ISP and keep yourself busy 24/7 and > invest in the financial markets? =) thats sorta what i'm trying to do too..but day trading requires 1000% of concentration, and i don't have that much available.. also, day trading is WAY TOO intense... i have compared it to, well, riding a really.. uhh.. well, its a WILD ride.. so i'm now just doing longer term trades.. and watching the market realtime... > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 18:57:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01445 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27313; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:56:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27210; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27178; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:56:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA25564; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:55:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:55:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Steve , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Cost is down! In-Reply-To: <37585882.C816757F@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Hi Bill, > > On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > i doubt a 50% profit.. > > > markup maybe.. > > > 50% gross margin.. ? possible.. > > > but profit, i think not.. > > > > Hehe, $375 over $250 cost is like $125 profit. > > its canadian vs. USD, no..? > not $125 profit..and remember, i have never seen or heard of this > cheap vendor.. Nope, remember he said it was close to $400 in CDN which is equivelent to $250 in US$. > > > but as for me, give me profit, or give me.. uhh.. well, you get the idea.. > > > > > > i'm not selling memory, hard drives, thinkpads or anything else just to keep > > > busy.. > > > > > > when i was cruising on the boat, i could read, relax, enjoy my birds, > > > take time to cruise and explore the places we stayed at.. > > > > > > now, i have little time for anything but business.. > > > (i must admit, i'm investing in other areas, but no profit = no business) > > > > > > i thought communism was out.. ? :-) > > > > Hehe, or do what I do... run a ISP and keep yourself busy 24/7 and > > invest in the financial markets? =) > > thats sorta what i'm trying to do too..but day trading requires 1000% of > concentration, and i don't have that much available.. > also, day trading is WAY TOO intense... i have compared it to, well, riding a > really.. uhh.. well, its a WILD ride.. > so i'm now just doing longer term trades.. and watching the market realtime... Heheh, I'm daytrading like 24 hours a day since I have access to the ECN's. But you're right that it's a wild ride... It's like one day you can make a few 770Z's and the next thing you know, lose it all. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 20:13:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01997 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00151; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:11:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29892; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.pbc.adelphia.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29879; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.pbc.adelphia.net (24.48.21.2 -> alpha.pbc.adelphia.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:11:41 -0400 Received: from SysOP (surf3-144-34.pbc.adelphia.net [24.48.144.34]) by alpha.pbc.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id UAA00966; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000f01beaee7$f6550d00$0100a8c0@SysOP> From: "Dave" To: "Vincent Poy" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Steve" , References: Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE ME!! Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:11:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id UAA00151 Sorry, but can some1 plz tell me how to unsubscribe to this mailing list? It's totally killing my inbox. I've been gone for 1 day, and when I get back, there are 76 e-mails awaiting my return. Thank You, -Dave- =C5=C7=EF=D0=D7=CE=A9=C8 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 20:34:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA02192 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01287; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:33:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01089; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shakti.slis.indiana.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01072; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shakti.slis.indiana.edu (129.79.33.57 -> shakti.slis.indiana.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:33:18 -0400 Received: by shakti.slis.indiana.edu (Postfix, from userid 8489) id DF12FA902; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:33:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:33:15 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: jfieber@shakti.slis.indiana.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600E, NT, IrDA, DeskJet 340 and glacial printing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: jfieber@shakti.slis.indiana.edu List-Unsubscribe: Just got an HP DeskJet 340 with the IrDA port on it. Using the parallel port and drivers that came with NT4 it works fine. Using the IrDA port it also works, but at a positively glacial speed...like 10 minutes a page. I've checked and updated all drivers and twiddled all settings in the "Ports" control panel for the infra-red port on the thinkpad, put the printer transmitter/receiver right next to the thinkpad transmitter/receiver to no avail. I've got no other IrDA devices for comparison or debugging. IBM tech support was friendly but thinks it is an HP problem. I have not yet managed to talk to a real person at HP...only followed telephone menu mazes (on a toll call no less!) that end suggesting their web site or a 900 tech support number. Pft! -john From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 20:50:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA02358 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02283; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:48:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02096; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02074; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:48:43 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JC0IZ1MNZKI1BL0Z@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:50:23 CST Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 19:50:23 -0600 (CST) From: Dx-treme Subject: Re: 770e BIG problems In-reply-to: <375855BF.B90F8D7C@icanect.net> To: Bill Morrow Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I called the IBM easy service line and they too are not able to run the recovery cd from the c-rom, dvd drive and the floppy drive. we tried with 2 recovery cds and the cds are not not defective. At the end, the tech guy (very pleasant and curteous) decided to have the machine sent to the factory on monday. If possible i really dont want to be without a computer for a week. Anymore ideas out there that can help me resolve this pain ? Will reformat the HDD or Uninstalling Win 98 help ? DO i actually need a Win 95 cd rom if i were to unistall Win 98 ?? HOw good can this 770e at running Linux Redhat (I almost had it with MS window OS, tons of crashes just this afternoon). I am not very familliar with Linux, Is 100% Linux compaitable with all PC software ? Frustrated, Jon From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 21:06:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02528 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03077; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:05:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02870; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02856; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (206.127.32.35 -> tam.dorsai.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:05:18 -0400 Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (higgins@amanda.dorsai.org [206.127.32.130]) by tam.dorsai.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA07660 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:09:25 -0400 (EDT) From: John Higgins Received: (higgins@localhost) by amanda.dorsai.org (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA02234 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906050109.VAA02234@amanda.dorsai.org> Subject: One Last z50 Word To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad list) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:09:20 -0400 (edt) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the guidance on the Workpad z50. One last question. Isn't this the perfect opportunity to bring back the butterfly keyboard??????? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John M. Higgins Broadcasting & Cable Magazine higgins@dorsai.org v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 21:18:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02627 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03792; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:16:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03615; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03601; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:16:54 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-69.gate.net [199.227.20.132]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA93038; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:18:05 -0400 Message-ID: <37587A64.3864336B@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 21:16:21 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Steve , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Cost is down! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i wonder if the stress is worth the possible $$.. what do you mean you have access to the ECN's 24 hours.. ??!! Vincent Poy wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > > > On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > i doubt a 50% profit.. > > > > markup maybe.. > > > > 50% gross margin.. ? possible.. > > > > but profit, i think not.. > > > > > > Hehe, $375 over $250 cost is like $125 profit. > > > > its canadian vs. USD, no..? > > not $125 profit..and remember, i have never seen or heard of this > > cheap vendor.. > > Nope, remember he said it was close to $400 in CDN which is > equivelent to $250 in US$. > > > > > but as for me, give me profit, or give me.. uhh.. well, you get the idea.. > > > > > > > > i'm not selling memory, hard drives, thinkpads or anything else just to keep > > > > busy.. > > > > > > > > when i was cruising on the boat, i could read, relax, enjoy my birds, > > > > take time to cruise and explore the places we stayed at.. > > > > > > > > now, i have little time for anything but business.. > > > > (i must admit, i'm investing in other areas, but no profit = no business) > > > > > > > > i thought communism was out.. ? :-) > > > > > > Hehe, or do what I do... run a ISP and keep yourself busy 24/7 and > > > invest in the financial markets? =) > > > > thats sorta what i'm trying to do too..but day trading requires 1000% of > > concentration, and i don't have that much available.. > > also, day trading is WAY TOO intense... i have compared it to, well, riding a > > really.. uhh.. well, its a WILD ride.. > > so i'm now just doing longer term trades.. and watching the market realtime... > > Heheh, I'm daytrading like 24 hours a day since I have access to > the ECN's. But you're right that it's a wild ride... It's like one day > you can make a few 770Z's and the next thing you know, lose it all. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 21:29:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02748 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04512; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:28:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04343; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04329; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:27:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA26233; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:27:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:27:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Steve , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Cost is down! In-Reply-To: <37587A64.3864336B@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > i wonder if the stress is worth the possible $$.. Well, I need to stay up regardless anyways since the ISP is more stress when you have clueless users emailing for tech support. > what do you mean you have access to the ECN's 24 hours.. ??!! Hehe, I have access to Island, Archipelo, Instinet and other Electronic Communications Networks. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 21:37:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02813 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05217; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:35:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05026; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05013; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:35:51 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-69.gate.net [199.227.20.132]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA382150; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:37:30 -0400 Message-ID: <37587EF1.F064861D@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 21:35:45 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dx-treme CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770e BIG problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: did you pull the memory..?? can you boot from a regular floppy..?? so, if all else fails, make a bootable win95B or newer diskette, fdisk and format the drive.. start fresh from a known point.. Dx-treme wrote: > I called the IBM easy service line and they too are not able to run the > recovery cd from the c-rom, dvd drive and the floppy drive. > > we tried with 2 recovery cds and the cds are not not defective. > > At the end, the tech guy (very pleasant and curteous) decided to have the > machine sent to the factory on monday. > > If possible i really dont want to be without a computer for a week. > Anymore ideas out there that can help me resolve this pain ? Will reformat > the HDD or Uninstalling Win 98 help ? DO i actually need a Win 95 cd rom > if i were to unistall Win 98 ?? > > HOw good can this 770e at running Linux Redhat (I almost had it with MS > window OS, tons of crashes just this afternoon). I am not very familliar > with Linux, Is 100% Linux compaitable with all PC software ? > > Frustrated, > > Jon -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 22:06:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03090 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06641; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:05:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06530; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06516; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (149.174.183.74 -> smtp5.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:05:17 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:05:12 -0400 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (h-181-188.mn.mediaone.net [209.32.181.188]) by hil-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with ESMTP id WAA03170; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37588589.3D349F84@csc.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 21:03:53 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dx-treme CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770e BIG problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Dx-treme wrote: > > I called the IBM easy service line and they too are not able to run the > recovery cd from the c-rom, dvd drive and the floppy drive. > > we tried with 2 recovery cds and the cds are not not defective. So you've confirmed that the CD/DVD drive is in the boot order and before the HD? Since the recovery CD's drive image is stored as basically a zip file (*.imz), theoretically you could use WinZip to unzip it to the D: drive, format C:, then boot to a floppy and XCOPY everything to C:. I've never done this, but I think it would be workable. You don't have much to lose... > > At the end, the tech guy (very pleasant and curteous) decided to have the > machine sent to the factory on monday. > Usually the turnaround time is short. Someone on the list even mentioned they had a 2-day repair lately. > If possible i really dont want to be without a computer for a week. > Anymore ideas out there that can help me resolve this pain ? Will reformat > the HDD or Uninstalling Win 98 help ? DO i actually need a Win 95 cd rom > if i were to unistall Win 98 ?? None of that is going to automatically make the recovery CD work or bootable. > > HOw good can this 770e at running Linux Redhat (I almost had it with MS > window OS, tons of crashes just this afternoon). I am not very familliar > with Linux, Is 100% Linux compaitable with all PC software ? > > Frustrated, > > Jon Don't give up on Windows. Your machine seems pretty goofed up right now. Wait until you have a fresh system before judging things. Linux is good, but you can't use Windows programs (PC software, essentially), nor can you access some things like Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc. Linux seems to be favored by those who do mainly: Internet stuff, development, or use it as a server. Good luck, Rob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 23:33:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA03789 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09012; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:31:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08860; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08847; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:30:59 -0400 Received: from 251.chicago-01-02rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.148.251]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990605033056.YPF20492@251.chicago-01-02rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 03:30:56 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad list) Subject: Re: One Last z50 Word Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 03:30:07 GMT Message-ID: <375a8274.23005531@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199906050109.VAA02234@amanda.dorsai.org> In-Reply-To: <199906050109.VAA02234@amanda.dorsai.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:09:20 -0400 (edt), John Higgins wrote: >Thanks for the guidance on the Workpad z50. One last question. Isn't this >the perfect opportunity to bring back the butterfly keyboard??????? > > There have been about a dozen perfect opportunities to bring it back - it appears IBM has lost interest in the TrackWrite after the debacle of the 701. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 4 23:50:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA03925 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09794; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:47:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09599; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09586; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:47:25 -0400 Received: from wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (fsict-tc20-15.fn.net) by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) with ESMTP id <01JC0P7F5C7MI1BEIP@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:48:58 CST Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 22:40:46 -0500 From: Jon Subject: Re: 770e BIG problems To: Rob Bell Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <37589C3E.304DF7F9@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,zh,zh-TW,af References: <37588589.3D349F84@csc.com> List-Unsubscribe: The cd rom/ dvd rom and floppy are all in the order it should be. BOth recovery cd and recovery floppy are not working. The memory in the machines appears to be a upgraded version (one slot 98 meg) so there is nothing to pull there. The hard drive partition are both still FAT 16, so there is no conflict there with ibm dos system. I am really out of hope at this point and seems like the laptop is on the way to the factory this coming monday. I am really dazzled with this. WHAT COULD BE THE PROBLEM ???? Now, can someone help me out on the dvd ? at least i can watch that Exorcists dvd and the spinning head thingy on the machine. 1) the computer doesnt recognize the dvd cd. It can read ordinary cd and audio cd fine. error msg 2) There are no conflict in device manager 3) installed all the drivers both from ibm web site and the cds/floppy that comes with the encorder card P/S: I am really curious, how is the quality of the dvd movies on the 770e ? I have the hardware encorder card and dvd rom with it. Thanks again for everyone's help... it just me. Jon Rob Bell wrote: > Dx-treme wrote: > > > > I called the IBM easy service line and they too are not able to run the > > recovery cd from the c-rom, dvd drive and the floppy drive. > > > > we tried with 2 recovery cds and the cds are not not defective. > > So you've confirmed that the CD/DVD drive is in the boot order and > before the HD? > > Since the recovery CD's drive image is stored as basically a zip file > (*.imz), theoretically you could use WinZip to unzip it to the D: drive, > format C:, then boot to a floppy and XCOPY everything to C:. I've never > done this, but I think it would be workable. You don't have much to > lose... > > > > > At the end, the tech guy (very pleasant and curteous) decided to have the > > machine sent to the factory on monday. > > > > Usually the turnaround time is short. Someone on the list even > mentioned they had a 2-day repair lately. > > > If possible i really dont want to be without a computer for a week. > > Anymore ideas out there that can help me resolve this pain ? Will reformat > > the HDD or Uninstalling Win 98 help ? DO i actually need a Win 95 cd rom > > if i were to unistall Win 98 ?? > > None of that is going to automatically make the recovery CD work or > bootable. > > > > > HOw good can this 770e at running Linux Redhat (I almost had it with MS > > window OS, tons of crashes just this afternoon). I am not very familliar > > with Linux, Is 100% Linux compaitable with all PC software ? > > > > Frustrated, > > > > Jon > > Don't give up on Windows. Your machine seems pretty goofed up right > now. Wait until you have a fresh system before judging things. Linux > is good, but you can't use Windows programs (PC software, essentially), > nor can you access some things like Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc. Linux > seems to be favored by those who do mainly: Internet stuff, > development, or use it as a server. > > Good luck, > Rob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 01:35:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA04667 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12647; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:33:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12473; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12460; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:33:43 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-180.gate.net [199.227.20.243]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA19586; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:35:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3758B6AF.8BEB4F20@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 01:33:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon CC: Rob Bell , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770e BIG problems References: <37588589.3D349F84@csc.com> <37589C3E.304DF7F9@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jon.. the 770E came with, if my failing memory is not THAT gone, 32megs on the system board.. IF you have more, then there IS an upgrade memory DIMM in at least one DIMM socket.. pull it and try again.. the no DVD CD or CD present means you need to reload the p[roper DVD player, run the region diskette and then try a movie that has the same region.. the DVD movie quality is great if all is installed correctly.. Jon wrote: > The cd rom/ dvd rom and floppy are all in the order it should be. BOth recovery > cd and recovery floppy are not working. > > The memory in the machines appears to be a upgraded version (one slot 98 meg) so > there is nothing to pull there. > > The hard drive partition are both still FAT 16, so there is no conflict there > with ibm dos system. > > I am really out of hope at this point and seems like the laptop is on the way to > the factory this coming monday. I am really dazzled with this. WHAT COULD BE THE > PROBLEM ???? > > Now, can someone help me out on the dvd ? at least i can watch that Exorcists > dvd and the spinning head thingy on the machine. > 1) the computer doesnt recognize the dvd cd. It can read ordinary cd and audio > cd fine. error msg > 2) There are no conflict in device manager > 3) installed all the drivers both from ibm web site and the cds/floppy that > comes with the encorder card > > P/S: I am really curious, how is the quality of the dvd movies on the 770e ? I > have the hardware encorder card and dvd rom with it. > > Thanks again for everyone's help... it just me. > > Jon > > Rob Bell wrote: > > > Dx-treme wrote: > > > > > > I called the IBM easy service line and they too are not able to run the > > > recovery cd from the c-rom, dvd drive and the floppy drive. > > > > > > we tried with 2 recovery cds and the cds are not not defective. > > > > So you've confirmed that the CD/DVD drive is in the boot order and > > before the HD? > > > > Since the recovery CD's drive image is stored as basically a zip file > > (*.imz), theoretically you could use WinZip to unzip it to the D: drive, > > format C:, then boot to a floppy and XCOPY everything to C:. I've never > > done this, but I think it would be workable. You don't have much to > > lose... > > > > > > > > At the end, the tech guy (very pleasant and curteous) decided to have the > > > machine sent to the factory on monday. > > > > > > > Usually the turnaround time is short. Someone on the list even > > mentioned they had a 2-day repair lately. > > > > > If possible i really dont want to be without a computer for a week. > > > Anymore ideas out there that can help me resolve this pain ? Will reformat > > > the HDD or Uninstalling Win 98 help ? DO i actually need a Win 95 cd rom > > > if i were to unistall Win 98 ?? > > > > None of that is going to automatically make the recovery CD work or > > bootable. > > > > > > > > HOw good can this 770e at running Linux Redhat (I almost had it with MS > > > window OS, tons of crashes just this afternoon). I am not very familliar > > > with Linux, Is 100% Linux compaitable with all PC software ? > > > > > > Frustrated, > > > > > > Jon > > > > Don't give up on Windows. Your machine seems pretty goofed up right > > now. Wait until you have a fresh system before judging things. Linux > > is good, but you can't use Windows programs (PC software, essentially), > > nor can you access some things like Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc. Linux > > seems to be favored by those who do mainly: Internet stuff, > > development, or use it as a server. > > > > Good luck, > > Rob -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 01:40:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA04702 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13156; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:38:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12951; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12937; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:38:30 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.216.68]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990605053826.SWUN11709@oemcomputer>; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 05:38:26 +0000 Message-ID: <3758B79F.5DC@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 01:37:35 -0400 From: Birger Petterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon CC: Rob Bell , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770e BIG problems References: <37588589.3D349F84@csc.com> <37589C3E.304DF7F9@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > > The hard drive partition are both still FAT 16, so there is no conflict there > with ibm dos system. > The 770X and 770Z will accept the recovery disk if "C" is 2g and fat 16 or fat 32 The 770 will accept the rcovery disk if "C" is 2g and fat 16 only. My 770 1AU runs DVD just fine on win95 recovery disk and on clean install of win98. You may need to fdisk to remove all partitions clean then use recovery disk. Cause the former owner maybe made some changes. This is on the assumption you have the correct recovery disk. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 01:48:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA04741 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13781; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:47:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13639; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13625; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.212 -> slip-32-100-39-212.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:46:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000701beaf16$f5b3dfa0$d4276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Jon" Cc: "Rob Bell" , References: <37588589.3D349F84@csc.com> <37589C3E.304DF7F9@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <3758B6AF.8BEB4F20@icanect.net> Subject: Re: 770e BIG problems Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:47:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: One other thing you should try... With Win98 I have noticed this error of no DVD in drive... If you start Windows Explorer then SoftDVD will find the drive. If that doesn't do the trick make sure that SoftDVD knows what the correct mapping is for the drive. In the windows directory you should find a file softdvd.ini Open it and make sure the correct drive letter is listed. Don > the no DVD CD or CD present means you need to reload the p[roper DVD player, run the > region diskette and then try a movie that has the same region.. > > the DVD movie quality is great if all is installed correctly.. > > Jon wrote: > > > The cd rom/ dvd rom and floppy are all in the order it should be. BOth recovery > > cd and recovery floppy are not working. > > > > The memory in the machines appears to be a upgraded version (one slot 98 meg) so > > there is nothing to pull there. > > > > The hard drive partition are both still FAT 16, so there is no conflict there > > with ibm dos system. > > > > I am really out of hope at this point and seems like the laptop is on the way to > > the factory this coming monday. I am really dazzled with this. WHAT COULD BE THE > > PROBLEM ???? > > > > Now, can someone help me out on the dvd ? at least i can watch that Exorcists > > dvd and the spinning head thingy on the machine. > > 1) the computer doesnt recognize the dvd cd. It can read ordinary cd and audio > > cd fine. error msg > > 2) There are no conflict in device manager > > 3) installed all the drivers both from ibm web site and the cds/floppy that > > comes with the encorder card > > > > P/S: I am really curious, how is the quality of the dvd movies on the 770e ? I > > have the hardware encorder card and dvd rom with it. > > > > Thanks again for everyone's help... it just me. > > > > Jon > > > > Rob Bell wrote: > > > > > Dx-treme wrote: > > > > > > > > I called the IBM easy service line and they too are not able to run the > > > > recovery cd from the c-rom, dvd drive and the floppy drive. > > > > > > > > we tried with 2 recovery cds and the cds are not not defective. > > > > > > So you've confirmed that the CD/DVD drive is in the boot order and > > > before the HD? > > > > > > Since the recovery CD's drive image is stored as basically a zip file > > > (*.imz), theoretically you could use WinZip to unzip it to the D: drive, > > > format C:, then boot to a floppy and XCOPY everything to C:. I've never > > > done this, but I think it would be workable. You don't have much to > > > lose... > > > > > > > > > > > At the end, the tech guy (very pleasant and curteous) decided to have the > > > > machine sent to the factory on monday. > > > > > > > > > > Usually the turnaround time is short. Someone on the list even > > > mentioned they had a 2-day repair lately. > > > > > > > If possible i really dont want to be without a computer for a week. > > > > Anymore ideas out there that can help me resolve this pain ? Will reformat > > > > the HDD or Uninstalling Win 98 help ? DO i actually need a Win 95 cd rom > > > > if i were to unistall Win 98 ?? > > > > > > None of that is going to automatically make the recovery CD work or > > > bootable. > > > > > > > > > > > HOw good can this 770e at running Linux Redhat (I almost had it with MS > > > > window OS, tons of crashes just this afternoon). I am not very familliar > > > > with Linux, Is 100% Linux compaitable with all PC software ? > > > > > > > > Frustrated, > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > Don't give up on Windows. Your machine seems pretty goofed up right > > > now. Wait until you have a fresh system before judging things. Linux > > > is good, but you can't use Windows programs (PC software, essentially), > > > nor can you access some things like Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc. Linux > > > seems to be favored by those who do mainly: Internet stuff, > > > development, or use it as a server. > > > > > > Good luck, > > > Rob > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 02:03:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA04979 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 02:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14655; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 02:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 02:02:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14530; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 02:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14516; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 02:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 02:02:20 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.216.68]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990605060218.SZPP11709@oemcomputer>; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 06:02:18 +0000 Message-ID: <3758BD3C.7EA2@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 02:01:32 -0400 From: Birger Petterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon , Rob Bell , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770e BIG problems References: <37588589.3D349F84@csc.com> <37589C3E.304DF7F9@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <3758B79F.5DC@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: One added item. this is on a 770X. how it applies to the others ?? If you set up for region 1 (US) then try to play another region, system will hang etc and you must then use recovery disk. This from the supplement to and included with the manual. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 02:22:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA05115 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 02:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15585; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 02:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 02:21:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15400; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 02:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from baker.cnw.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15387; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 02:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from baker.cnw.com (206.40.133.20 -> baker.cnw.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 02:21:32 -0400 Received: from TEST (dyn-131-28.mtvernon.cnw.net [207.149.131.28]) by baker.cnw.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA17916 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906050621.XAA17916@baker.cnw.com> From: Vicky Stables Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 23:10:58 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <375802B3.2C884F75@icanect.net> Subject: Re: 701 floppy? problem X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: On 06/04/99 Bill Morrow said: >it might be the cable, or the controller.. >one is easy, the other is easy serve.. >be happy its still under warranty.. >i hope you mean april 2000.. :-) No, I said the warranty *was* up. I mean in 1999. As much as I like the machine I doubt it is worth what easyserve would want to fix it. Maybe a parallel port zip drive would suffice. For now I am emailing attachments to it. I'll try to borrow another cable but the controller sounds more likely. Booting from a floppy can be so handy... Oh well. Thanks for the info. Vicky -- >Jon Stables wrote: >> The floppy drive on my 701 quit working, but I don't think it is the drive >> itself. I tried another new drive and got the same result. The drive >> spins, but the head does not seek and the light never comes on. The error >> message says the device is not ready. The warranty was up in April. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Vicky From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 08:46:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA07077 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00897; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:43:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00718; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00705; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:43:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:43:12 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc2a64.bf.sover.net [209.198.82.66]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA01525; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906051241.IAA01525@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc2a64.bf.sover.net [209.198.82.66] 209.198.82.66 Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 08:27:53 -0400 To: "Dave" , In-Reply-To: <000f01beaee7$f6550d00$0100a8c0@SysOP> Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE ME!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: I think you have to send a message with unsubscribe in the body to: thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu There is some good information here, so you might just consider using a filter to eliminate the chit-chat element. >Sorry, but can some1 plz tell me how to unsubscribe to this mailing list= ? >It's totally killing my inbox. I've been gone for 1 day, and when I get= >back, there are 76 e-mails awaiting my return. >Thank You, >-Dave- >=C5=C7=EF _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 09:02:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA07151 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 09:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01513; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 09:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:59:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01356; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.gcfn.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01343; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.gcfn.org (164.107.107.13 -> mail.gcfn.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:59:39 -0400 Received: from login.gcfn.org (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.gcfn.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA15254; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pcarter@localhost) by login.gcfn.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) id IAA15657; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:53:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip L Carter Subject: Re: TP 700 & dock? To: "Bill S." cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990604094506.0081a650@pop.tcsn.uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: The tp 700/720 systems offer an option to boot off the attached scsi drive in the 3550. This becoms drive C: and the internal tp drive is then D:. It is possible that this is your problem. Another thought is that the memory location used by the 3550 is trying to be used by the affected program. Are the required memory locations in the emm exclude statemants? Might the program be trying to use a ram disk and running out of memory? We need the configuration you are running to fully understand the problem. The scsi driver loads if the option disk has been installed, and takes about 16K. What tsr's are you running? 73, Phil On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Bill S. wrote: > My TP is a 700 and I'd like to use it on a 3550 docking station > at home. It's used to run an old DOS amateur radio packet > program that won't run under any form of windows. > Now the problem; the 700 runs the packet programs fine when it's > powered by the brick power supply but when it's in the dock it > generates a hard drive read error. The error says that it can't read from > the specified drive. It does this ONLY with the program that I want to run, > all other software appears to operate properly on this machine in the dock! > This is a reproducible error among two 700s and three docks. I suspect that > there's a SCSI driver loading when the machine is docked, how would I go > about disabling that driver and still operate on the dock? > Could the problem be another driver or hardware? > > TIA, > Bill NRE/COLE Test Center OH-3 pcarter@gcfn.org or wd8qwr@arrl.net Philip L. Carter, WD8QWR wd8qwr@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.na From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 12:25:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08318 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06422; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:22:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06223; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06208; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:22:50 -0400 Received: from wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (fsict-tc1-10.fn.net) by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) with ESMTP id <01JC1FL5OSBOI1BLLY@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 11:24:31 CST Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 11:16:17 -0500 From: Jon Subject: Re: 770e BIG problems To: Bill Morrow Cc: Rob Bell , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <37594D51.987A332F@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,zh,zh-TW,af References: <37588589.3D349F84@csc.com> <37589C3E.304DF7F9@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <3758B6AF.8BEB4F20@icanect.net> List-Unsubscribe: OK, removed the extra 64 meg memory DIMM from the 770e, boot up the thing with the recovery cd and recovery diskette..... Nothing Works, the computer jsut does an infinite loop (it restart itself over and over again) I can say i tried almost everything logical and recommended here and the thing just would not boot up with the recovery cd. The 2 recovery cds are ok (i tried it on my desktop) The dvd rom and cd rom are ok when in use without the recovery cds The floopy drive is also flawless Two more options here to make/do here 1) formatting the HD ( i need serious help here ) i do not have a win 95 cd but i do have a stand alone win 98 cd available. what steps should i take ? 2) Uninstall win 98 from the computer and hope that i can run the recovery cd from the machine's win 95 The DVD problem. errors messages that i get when trying to run DVD with softdvd prog then the system hang Even if i could not get recovery cd it would be nice to be able to watch the exorcist dvd that i bought specifically for this machine. Plus i really like to know the quality of dvd playback with the hardware decorder card on the 770e Again, thank you so much for all your suggestions/help. Still Frustrated, Jon Bill Morrow wrote: > Jon.. > the 770E came with, if my failing memory is not THAT gone, 32megs on the system > board.. > IF you have more, then there IS an upgrade memory DIMM in at least one DIMM socket.. > > pull it and try again.. > > the no DVD CD or CD present means you need to reload the p[roper DVD player, run the > region diskette and then try a movie that has the same region.. > > the DVD movie quality is great if all is installed correctly.. > > Jon wrote: > > > The cd rom/ dvd rom and floppy are all in the order it should be. BOth recovery > > cd and recovery floppy are not working. > > > > The memory in the machines appears to be a upgraded version (one slot 98 meg) so > > there is nothing to pull there. > > > > The hard drive partition are both still FAT 16, so there is no conflict there > > with ibm dos system. > > > > I am really out of hope at this point and seems like the laptop is on the way to > > the factory this coming monday. I am really dazzled with this. WHAT COULD BE THE > > PROBLEM ???? > > > > Now, can someone help me out on the dvd ? at least i can watch that Exorcists > > dvd and the spinning head thingy on the machine. > > 1) the computer doesnt recognize the dvd cd. It can read ordinary cd and audio > > cd fine. error msg > > 2) There are no conflict in device manager > > 3) installed all the drivers both from ibm web site and the cds/floppy that > > comes with the encorder card > > > > P/S: I am really curious, how is the quality of the dvd movies on the 770e ? I > > have the hardware encorder card and dvd rom with it. > > > > Thanks again for everyone's help... it just me. > > > > Jon > > > > Rob Bell wrote: > > > > > Dx-treme wrote: > > > > > > > > I called the IBM easy service line and they too are not able to run the > > > > recovery cd from the c-rom, dvd drive and the floppy drive. > > > > > > > > we tried with 2 recovery cds and the cds are not not defective. > > > > > > So you've confirmed that the CD/DVD drive is in the boot order and > > > before the HD? > > > > > > Since the recovery CD's drive image is stored as basically a zip file > > > (*.imz), theoretically you could use WinZip to unzip it to the D: drive, > > > format C:, then boot to a floppy and XCOPY everything to C:. I've never > > > done this, but I think it would be workable. You don't have much to > > > lose... > > > > > > > > > > > At the end, the tech guy (very pleasant and curteous) decided to have the > > > > machine sent to the factory on monday. > > > > > > > > > > Usually the turnaround time is short. Someone on the list even > > > mentioned they had a 2-day repair lately. > > > > > > > If possible i really dont want to be without a computer for a week. > > > > Anymore ideas out there that can help me resolve this pain ? Will reformat > > > > the HDD or Uninstalling Win 98 help ? DO i actually need a Win 95 cd rom > > > > if i were to unistall Win 98 ?? > > > > > > None of that is going to automatically make the recovery CD work or > > > bootable. > > > > > > > > > > > HOw good can this 770e at running Linux Redhat (I almost had it with MS > > > > window OS, tons of crashes just this afternoon). I am not very familliar > > > > with Linux, Is 100% Linux compaitable with all PC software ? > > > > > > > > Frustrated, > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > Don't give up on Windows. Your machine seems pretty goofed up right > > > now. Wait until you have a fresh system before judging things. Linux > > > is good, but you can't use Windows programs (PC software, essentially), > > > nor can you access some things like Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc. Linux > > > seems to be favored by those who do mainly: Internet stuff, > > > development, or use it as a server. > > > > > > Good luck, > > > Rob > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 12:27:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08335 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06755; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:25:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06441; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06395; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (129.206.119.201 -> relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:24:54 -0400 Received: from mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05321 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 18:24:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bp7@localhost) by mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16598; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 18:24:48 +0200 Message-Id: <199906051624.SAA16598@mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> From: "Andreas Busch" To: "ThinkPad Discussion List" Date: Sat, 05 Jun 99 18:24:49 +0100 Reply-To: "Andreas Busch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Good place to buy a ThinkPad HDD in Germany?1 List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I am planning to buy a second harddisk for my ThinkPad 760ED to try out = Linux on it without disturbing my current setup and data (OS/2 Version 4). That brings up the question of where to buy it. Does anybody on the list= have a recommendation for buying such a HDD in Germany? For obvious reasons I w= ould rather buy it here than mail order it from the US. Any hints are greatly appreciated, Andreas ------- Dr. Andreas Busch Universit=E4t Heidelberg Tel. (06221) 54-2874 Institut f=FCr Politische Wissenschaft Fax (06221) 54-2896 Marstallstrasse 6 E-Mail: Andreas.Busch@urz.uni-heidelberg.de 69117 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~bp7 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 12:40:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08446 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07578; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:38:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07396; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07381; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.10 -> slip-32-100-39-10.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:38:12 -0400 Message-ID: <000501beaf71$f16bed60$0a276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Jon" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Rob Bell" , References: <37588589.3D349F84@csc.com> <37589C3E.304DF7F9@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu><3758B6AF.8BEB4F20@icanect.net> <37594D51.987A332F@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> Subject: Re: 770e BIG problems Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:39:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Make a startup disk for windows from your existing Win98 system. This can be done by going to Control Panel > Add Remove Programs > and chose the Startup Disk Tab. Then make sure Fdisk is on the floppy it creates. If not copy it from the c:\windows\command directory. (assuming you have a vanilla install of Win98) Boot the system with the floppy and look at the structure of your drive. You originally posted that you received the system with a 2 gig c: and 2 gig D:. That implies to me that the previous owner made a 1 gig partition for something and it is either not formatted or from another OS. It may be interferring with the recovery CD if it was created at the start of the HD as the recovery CD expects to find the C: fat drive first. If fdisk verifies this then delete all the partitions and create a 2 gig fat partition first and the rest (3 gigs) fat32 or fat16 as your D: drive. IF THIS does not work I would let Easy Serve take of.... Don > OK, removed the extra 64 meg memory DIMM from the 770e, boot up the thing with the > recovery cd and recovery diskette..... Nothing Works, the computer jsut does an infinite > loop (it restart itself over and over again) > > I can say i tried almost everything logical and recommended here and the thing just > would not boot up with the recovery cd. > > The 2 recovery cds are ok (i tried it on my desktop) > The dvd rom and cd rom are ok when in use without the recovery cds > The floopy drive is also flawless > > Two more options here to make/do here > > 1) formatting the HD ( i need serious help here ) i do not have a win 95 cd but i do > have a stand alone win 98 cd available. what steps should i take ? > > 2) Uninstall win 98 from the computer and hope that i can run the recovery cd from the > machine's win 95 > > The DVD problem. > errors messages that i get when trying to run DVD with softdvd prog > > > > then the system hang > > Even if i could not get recovery cd it would be nice to be able to watch the exorcist > dvd that i bought specifically for this machine. Plus i really like to know the quality > of dvd playback with the hardware decorder card on the 770e > > Again, thank you so much for all your suggestions/help. > > Still Frustrated, > > Jon > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > Jon.. > > the 770E came with, if my failing memory is not THAT gone, 32megs on the system > > board.. > > IF you have more, then there IS an upgrade memory DIMM in at least one DIMM socket.. > > > > pull it and try again.. > > > > the no DVD CD or CD present means you need to reload the p[roper DVD player, run the > > region diskette and then try a movie that has the same region.. > > > > the DVD movie quality is great if all is installed correctly.. > > > > Jon wrote: > > > > > The cd rom/ dvd rom and floppy are all in the order it should be. BOth recovery > > > cd and recovery floppy are not working. > > > > > > The memory in the machines appears to be a upgraded version (one slot 98 meg) so > > > there is nothing to pull there. > > > > > > The hard drive partition are both still FAT 16, so there is no conflict there > > > with ibm dos system. > > > > > > I am really out of hope at this point and seems like the laptop is on the way to > > > the factory this coming monday. I am really dazzled with this. WHAT COULD BE THE > > > PROBLEM ???? > > > > > > Now, can someone help me out on the dvd ? at least i can watch that Exorcists > > > dvd and the spinning head thingy on the machine. > > > 1) the computer doesnt recognize the dvd cd. It can read ordinary cd and audio > > > cd fine. error msg > > > 2) There are no conflict in device manager > > > 3) installed all the drivers both from ibm web site and the cds/floppy that > > > comes with the encorder card > > > > > > P/S: I am really curious, how is the quality of the dvd movies on the 770e ? I > > > have the hardware encorder card and dvd rom with it. > > > > > > Thanks again for everyone's help... it just me. > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > Rob Bell wrote: > > > > > > > Dx-treme wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I called the IBM easy service line and they too are not able to run the > > > > > recovery cd from the c-rom, dvd drive and the floppy drive. > > > > > > > > > > we tried with 2 recovery cds and the cds are not not defective. > > > > > > > > So you've confirmed that the CD/DVD drive is in the boot order and > > > > before the HD? > > > > > > > > Since the recovery CD's drive image is stored as basically a zip file > > > > (*.imz), theoretically you could use WinZip to unzip it to the D: drive, > > > > format C:, then boot to a floppy and XCOPY everything to C:. I've never > > > > done this, but I think it would be workable. You don't have much to > > > > lose... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end, the tech guy (very pleasant and curteous) decided to have the > > > > > machine sent to the factory on monday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Usually the turnaround time is short. Someone on the list even > > > > mentioned they had a 2-day repair lately. > > > > > > > > > If possible i really dont want to be without a computer for a week. > > > > > Anymore ideas out there that can help me resolve this pain ? Will reformat > > > > > the HDD or Uninstalling Win 98 help ? DO i actually need a Win 95 cd rom > > > > > if i were to unistall Win 98 ?? > > > > > > > > None of that is going to automatically make the recovery CD work or > > > > bootable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HOw good can this 770e at running Linux Redhat (I almost had it with MS > > > > > window OS, tons of crashes just this afternoon). I am not very familliar > > > > > with Linux, Is 100% Linux compaitable with all PC software ? > > > > > > > > > > Frustrated, > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > Don't give up on Windows. Your machine seems pretty goofed up right > > > > now. Wait until you have a fresh system before judging things. Linux > > > > is good, but you can't use Windows programs (PC software, essentially), > > > > nor can you access some things like Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc. Linux > > > > seems to be favored by those who do mainly: Internet stuff, > > > > development, or use it as a server. > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > Rob > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > > on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 13:31:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08840 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09180; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:28:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08968; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08955; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:28:09 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-253.gate.net [199.227.131.62]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA227394; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:29:33 -0400 Message-ID: <37595E14.7F075CE9@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 13:27:48 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Busch CC: ThinkPad Discussion List Subject: Re: Good place to buy a ThinkPad HDD in Germany?1 References: <199906051624.SAA16598@mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id NAA09180 there are several germans who are regulars on my web site open forum and = confrence.. ask them.. http://www.thinkpads.com Andreas Busch wrote: > Hi, > > I am planning to buy a second harddisk for my ThinkPad 760ED to try out= Linux on it > without disturbing my current setup and data (OS/2 Version 4). > That brings up the question of where to buy it. Does anybody on the lis= t have a > recommendation for buying such a HDD in Germany? For obvious reasons I = would > rather buy it here than mail order it from the US. > > Any hints are greatly appreciated, > > Andreas > > ------- > Dr. Andreas Busch > Universit=E4t Heidelberg Tel. (06221) 54-2874 > Institut f=FCr Politische Wissenschaft Fax (06221) 54-2896 > Marstallstrasse 6 E-Mail: Andreas.Busch@urz.uni-h= eidelberg.de > 69117 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelber= g.de/~bp7 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://www.thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will v= ary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 13:37:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08881 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09914; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:34:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09548; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09534; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:34:48 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-253.gate.net [199.227.131.62]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA205146; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:36:25 -0400 Message-ID: <37595FB0.4DB845E5@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 13:34:41 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon CC: Rob Bell , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770e BIG problems References: <37588589.3D349F84@csc.com> <37589C3E.304DF7F9@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <3758B6AF.8BEB4F20@icanect.net> <37594D51.987A332F@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jon.. Jon wrote: > OK, removed the extra 64 meg memory DIMM from the 770e, boot up the thing with the > recovery cd and recovery diskette..... Nothing Works, the computer jsut does an infinite > loop (it restart itself over and over again) > ok, memory appears not to be the cause.. > I can say i tried almost everything logical and recommended here and the thing just > would not boot up with the recovery cd. > can you boot up with the floppy and a standard DOS boot diskette..??if so, then its the load on the machine, if not, then its more.. if more, go to EZ setup (hold F1 down while power on) then do an initialize.. ahh.. one more thing, what is the bios rev. level/date.. be sure your bios is up to date.. perhaps flash the bios if its NOT up to date.. > The 2 recovery cds are ok (i tried it on my desktop) > The dvd rom and cd rom are ok when in use without the recovery cds > The floopy drive is also flawless > > Two more options here to make/do here > > 1) formatting the HD ( i need serious help here ) i do not have a win 95 cd but i do > have a stand alone win 98 cd available. what steps should i take ? > just run setup from win98 CD, it should discover most of what you need to run the CD..assuming that the win98 is not an upgrade version but a full version.. > 2) Uninstall win 98 from the computer and hope that i can run the recovery cd from the > machine's win 95 > > The DVD problem. > errors messages that i get when trying to run DVD with softdvd prog > > > > then the system hang > > Even if i could not get recovery cd it would be nice to be able to watch the exorcist > dvd that i bought specifically for this machine. Plus i really like to know the quality > of dvd playback with the hardware decorder card on the 770e > you'll not be able to watch anything until you get the machine back to factory specs.. > Again, thank you so much for all your suggestions/help. > > Still Frustrated, > > Jon > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > Jon.. > > the 770E came with, if my failing memory is not THAT gone, 32megs on the system > > board.. > > IF you have more, then there IS an upgrade memory DIMM in at least one DIMM socket.. > > > > pull it and try again.. > > > > the no DVD CD or CD present means you need to reload the p[roper DVD player, run the > > region diskette and then try a movie that has the same region.. > > > > the DVD movie quality is great if all is installed correctly.. > > > > Jon wrote: > > > > > The cd rom/ dvd rom and floppy are all in the order it should be. BOth recovery > > > cd and recovery floppy are not working. > > > > > > The memory in the machines appears to be a upgraded version (one slot 98 meg) so > > > there is nothing to pull there. > > > > > > The hard drive partition are both still FAT 16, so there is no conflict there > > > with ibm dos system. > > > > > > I am really out of hope at this point and seems like the laptop is on the way to > > > the factory this coming monday. I am really dazzled with this. WHAT COULD BE THE > > > PROBLEM ???? > > > > > > Now, can someone help me out on the dvd ? at least i can watch that Exorcists > > > dvd and the spinning head thingy on the machine. > > > 1) the computer doesnt recognize the dvd cd. It can read ordinary cd and audio > > > cd fine. error msg > > > 2) There are no conflict in device manager > > > 3) installed all the drivers both from ibm web site and the cds/floppy that > > > comes with the encorder card > > > > > > P/S: I am really curious, how is the quality of the dvd movies on the 770e ? I > > > have the hardware encorder card and dvd rom with it. > > > > > > Thanks again for everyone's help... it just me. > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > Rob Bell wrote: > > > > > > > Dx-treme wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I called the IBM easy service line and they too are not able to run the > > > > > recovery cd from the c-rom, dvd drive and the floppy drive. > > > > > > > > > > we tried with 2 recovery cds and the cds are not not defective. > > > > > > > > So you've confirmed that the CD/DVD drive is in the boot order and > > > > before the HD? > > > > > > > > Since the recovery CD's drive image is stored as basically a zip file > > > > (*.imz), theoretically you could use WinZip to unzip it to the D: drive, > > > > format C:, then boot to a floppy and XCOPY everything to C:. I've never > > > > done this, but I think it would be workable. You don't have much to > > > > lose... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end, the tech guy (very pleasant and curteous) decided to have the > > > > > machine sent to the factory on monday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Usually the turnaround time is short. Someone on the list even > > > > mentioned they had a 2-day repair lately. > > > > > > > > > If possible i really dont want to be without a computer for a week. > > > > > Anymore ideas out there that can help me resolve this pain ? Will reformat > > > > > the HDD or Uninstalling Win 98 help ? DO i actually need a Win 95 cd rom > > > > > if i were to unistall Win 98 ?? > > > > > > > > None of that is going to automatically make the recovery CD work or > > > > bootable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HOw good can this 770e at running Linux Redhat (I almost had it with MS > > > > > window OS, tons of crashes just this afternoon). I am not very familliar > > > > > with Linux, Is 100% Linux compaitable with all PC software ? > > > > > > > > > > Frustrated, > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > Don't give up on Windows. Your machine seems pretty goofed up right > > > > now. Wait until you have a fresh system before judging things. Linux > > > > is good, but you can't use Windows programs (PC software, essentially), > > > > nor can you access some things like Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc. Linux > > > > seems to be favored by those who do mainly: Internet stuff, > > > > development, or use it as a server. > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > Rob > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > > on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 13:58:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09033 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10853; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:55:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10728; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.skyinet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10715; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.skyinet.net (206.101.197.231 -> NEWS.SKYINET.NET) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:55:41 -0400 Received: from jcms ([208.162.6.133]) by news.skyinet.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-56465U40000L40000S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 01:53:47 +0800 From: "J. Carlos M. Sibal" To: "thinkpad@CS. UTK. EDU" Subject: 770e hard drive caddy Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 01:56:54 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hi I just picked up a thinkpad 770 2nd Hard Drive Adapter for my 2nd hard drive-- unfortunately I didnt know that I still need the metal casing for my 2nd Hard Drive for it to work with the 2nd Hard Drive Adapter. Does anyone know where I can purchase this caddy or case for my 2nd Hard Disk (which I bought without the thinkpad casing thinking it would work when I got the 2nd hard drive adapter) Thanks for any info! Carlos From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 16:50:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA10133 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15003; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:46:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14788; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onlink4.onlink.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14775; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onlink4.onlink.net (206.108.253.68 -> onlink4.onlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:46:34 -0400 Received: from nrba2-41.onlink.net (nrba2-41.onlink.net [207.210.99.170]) by onlink4.onlink.net (8.8.7/) with SMTP id QAA92692 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:46:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199906052046.QAA92692@onlink4.onlink.net> From: "Alex Bell" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 16:44:25 +0000 Reply-To: "Alex Bell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Suspend modes woes List-Unsubscribe: I have posted several times before about problems with my Thinkpad 385XD and its enhanced port repicator. Please bear with me while I recapitulate. The original problem was that occasionally the combination would not recognise the PCMCIA card in the port replicator. IBM replaced the port replicator, but when the problem recurred several months later they instructed me to take the thinkpad into a local technician. This problem has not recurred since the tech replaced the mother board, but I now have a far more serious problem - the thinkpad locks up tight if I leave the computer on but unused for more than about 20 minutes. The only way I can regain control is to use the emergency power shut down switch on the bottom of the computer. The technician has replaced the motherboard again, but the problem is still there. The problem occurs when I am using Windows 98 and when I am using OS/2 v4 FP10. It occurs whether I am using the thinkpad alone or using it in the port replicator. When it happens the battery LCD is lit, and the power on is lit. The suspend mode LCD is not on. When I press the Fn key and F4 the thinkpad will go into suspend mode, and the suspend mode LCD is lit. But the thnkpad will not come out of suspend mode when I press the Fn key, or indeed when I do anything else. As mentioned I have to use the emergency power shut down switch. I can press the Fn key and F3 to go into standby mode, and it will resume if I press any key. But if I leave it in standby mode after about 20 minutes the thinkpad comes back to life very briefly and then locks up as described above. If I use the Thinkpad configuration utility to disable suspend mode the lockups still occur, but after only about 5 minutes. For what it is worth if I shutdown properly but do not actually switch off the thinkpad does not lock up - I have left it for more than 20 minutes with the the 'it is now safe to turn off your computer' sign showing. I have run the test option in the Easy Setup program to test the hardware, and it does not report any malfunction. I have also used the program to set the default settings, but the problem still occurs. I really do not see much point in taking it back to get another motherboard put in. Can any one suggest any more tests I can do to find out what the problem is, and how to overcome it? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 18:08:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA10590 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 18:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17874; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 18:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 18:06:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17610; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 18:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17597; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 18:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp2.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 18:06:07 -0400 Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id PAA25319; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 15:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37599FC5.5DDFDC25@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 15:08:05 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Bell CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: Suspend modes woes References: <199906052046.QAA92692@onlink4.onlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The fact that your 385XD actually stays at the screen saying it's safe to turn your computer off may mean that something is wrong with the power management software/hardware interface. Most recent laptops can be switched off by Windows upon shutdown. My 560X does that. Perhaps someone else on the list can indicate if being unable to shut down via software is normal for the 385XD. Benjamin Alex Bell wrote: > > I have posted several times before about problems with my Thinkpad > 385XD and its enhanced port repicator. Please bear with me while I > recapitulate. > > The original problem was that occasionally the combination would not > recognise the PCMCIA card in the port replicator. IBM replaced the > port replicator, but when the problem recurred several months later > they instructed me to take the thinkpad into a local technician. This > problem has not recurred since the tech replaced the mother board, but > I now have a far more serious problem - the thinkpad locks up tight if > I leave the computer on but unused for more than about 20 minutes. The > only way I can regain control is to use the emergency power shut down > switch on the bottom of the computer. The technician has replaced the > motherboard again, but the problem is still there. > > The problem occurs when I am using Windows 98 and when I am using OS/2 > v4 FP10. It occurs whether I am using the thinkpad alone or using it > in the port replicator. When it happens the battery LCD is lit, and > the power on is lit. The suspend mode LCD is not on. > > When I press the Fn key and F4 the thinkpad will go into suspend mode, > and the suspend mode LCD is lit. But the thnkpad will not come out of > suspend mode when I press the Fn key, or indeed when I do anything > else. As mentioned I have to use the emergency power shut down switch. > > I can press the Fn key and F3 to go into standby mode, and it will > resume if I press any key. But if I leave it in standby mode after > about 20 minutes the thinkpad comes back to life very briefly and then > locks up as described above. > > If I use the Thinkpad configuration utility to disable suspend mode the > lockups still occur, but after only about 5 minutes. > > For what it is worth if I shutdown properly but do not actually switch > off the thinkpad does not lock up - I have left it for more than 20 > minutes with the the 'it is now safe to turn off your computer' sign > showing. > > I have run the test option in the Easy Setup program to test the > hardware, and it does not report any malfunction. I have also used the > program to set the default settings, but the problem still occurs. > > I really do not see much point in taking it back to get another > motherboard put in. Can any one suggest any more tests I can do to > find out what the problem is, and how to overcome it? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 19:07:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA10982 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20454; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:05:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20335; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20322; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:05:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA04285; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:04:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:04:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Benjamin Koh cc: Alex Bell , Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: Suspend modes woes In-Reply-To: <37599FC5.5DDFDC25@leland.stanford.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 5 Jun 1999, Benjamin Koh wrote: Benjamin, Alex, Try Start Menu -> Run and type in msconfig then choose advanced and check the box labeled Disable Windows Quick Shutdown. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > The fact that your 385XD actually stays at the screen saying it's safe > to turn your computer off may mean that something is wrong with the > power management software/hardware interface. Most recent laptops can be > switched off by Windows upon shutdown. My 560X does that. Perhaps > someone else on the list can indicate if being unable to shut down via > software is normal for the 385XD. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 19:39:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11182 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21545; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:37:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21372; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21359; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:37:42 -0400 Received: from wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (fsict-tc12-32.fn.net) by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) with ESMTP id <01JC1US99S16I1BQPB@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 18:39:19 CST Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 18:30:56 -0500 From: Jon Subject: My 770E IBM warranty policy To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <3759B330.3DD0C54B@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,zh,zh-TW,af List-Unsubscribe: Looks like the 770e is definetly going to IBM easyserv this monday. 1) Should i remove the extra 64 meg of memory ? i heard that some companies will void the warranty because of add ons ? the memory is made by IBM 2) Should I remove the enchanced hardware dvd decorder and the dvd rom too ? the original spec is just the cd rom with 32 meg of memory. 3) Can i send them everything (cd rom, dvd ..etc) because i dont want to go through the hell of setting up the dvd for watching movies. 4) IBM told me the computer has been to easy serve once with the same problem. How many times before IBM will replace this with a new unit ? This unit has 31 months warranty life on it. P/S: I already uninstall win 98 and now I am back to win 95 and still no luck in booting up the IBM recovery cd. should i try to reformat the drives ? Frustrated Jon From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 19:45:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11212 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22002; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:43:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21817; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21804; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:42:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA04421; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:42:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:42:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Jon cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: My 770E IBM warranty policy In-Reply-To: <3759B330.3DD0C54B@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 5 Jun 1999, Jon wrote: Hi Jon, > Looks like the 770e is definetly going to IBM easyserv this monday. > > 1) Should i remove the extra 64 meg of memory ? i heard that some > companies will void the warranty because of add ons ? the memory is made > by IBM > > 2) Should I remove the enchanced hardware dvd decorder and the dvd rom > too ? the original spec is just the cd rom with 32 meg of memory. When I talked to the HelpCenter, they told me that I should remove anything that is removeable by the user like Hard Drive, DVD, Floppy or any add-ons you added. > 3) Can i send them everything (cd rom, dvd ..etc) because i dont want to > go through the hell of setting up the dvd for watching movies. Yes, you can as long as it was part of the original system. > 4) IBM told me the computer has been to easy serve once with the same > problem. How many times before IBM will replace this with a new unit ? > This unit has 31 months warranty life on it. > > P/S: I already uninstall win 98 and now I am back to win 95 and still no > luck in booting up the IBM recovery cd. should i try to reformat the > drives ? Maybe or try a low level format on the drives. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 5 21:39:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA11877 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25473; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:35:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25255; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25242; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:35:34 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.156]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990606013531.HGC11709@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 01:35:31 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990605213642.00c255b0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 21:36:42 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: My 770E IBM warranty policy In-Reply-To: <3759B330.3DD0C54B@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:30 PM 6/5/99 -0500, Jon wrote: >Looks like the 770e is definetly going to IBM easyserv this monday. > >1) Should i remove the extra 64 meg of memory ? i heard that some >companies will void the warranty because of add ons ? the memory is made >by IBM > >2) Should I remove the enchanced hardware dvd decorder and the dvd rom >too ? the original spec is just the cd rom with 32 meg of memory. > >3) Can i send them everything (cd rom, dvd ..etc) because i dont want to >go through the hell of setting up the dvd for watching movies. > DO NOT send anything that is not part of the problem - ie, remove extra memory, battery, PC Cards, hard drive, CD-ROM, etc. You might not get them all back or they may come back not working. This is not at all to say that they will be stolen, but things get misplaced and/or broken in repair and shipping. Just eliminate that possibility by keeping them home safe. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 00:25:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA12774 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01264; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:22:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01043; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01029; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.57 -> slip-32-100-39-57.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:22:22 -0400 Message-ID: <001701beafd4$4eda27c0$39276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Jon" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Rob Bell" , References: <37588589.3D349F84@csc.com> <37589C3E.304DF7F9@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu><3758B6AF.8BEB4F20@icanect.net> <37594D51.987A332F@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> Subject: Re: 770e BIG problems Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:23:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Jon, The more I think about it the more I am leaning toward what I wrote earlier. I think it has to do with the way your hard drive is currently partitioned. Since the CD, DVD and floppy all work but not with the Recovery CD it is not finding the C: partition where it expects it. Bill may be right about initializing the system but I am a little sceptical as that has more to do with making sure that irq's are assigned and since the system is going into a loop with the recovery CD it implies that the system is actually reading the CD, else it would just boot windows.. As for problems with the DVD. The error you are receiving "failed to perform stream creation VPM" sounds like you have the latest video drivers installed. You will need to revert to the previous version for dvd to play. As for the playback, I can say that I see no difference between the quality on the 770 (with hardware decoder) vs a standalone dvd player. Don > OK, removed the extra 64 meg memory DIMM from the 770e, boot up the thing with the > recovery cd and recovery diskette..... Nothing Works, the computer jsut does an infinite > loop (it restart itself over and over again) > > I can say i tried almost everything logical and recommended here and the thing just > would not boot up with the recovery cd. > > The 2 recovery cds are ok (i tried it on my desktop) > The dvd rom and cd rom are ok when in use without the recovery cds > The floopy drive is also flawless > > Two more options here to make/do here > > 1) formatting the HD ( i need serious help here ) i do not have a win 95 cd but i do > have a stand alone win 98 cd available. what steps should i take ? > > 2) Uninstall win 98 from the computer and hope that i can run the recovery cd from the > machine's win 95 > > The DVD problem. > errors messages that i get when trying to run DVD with softdvd prog > > > > then the system hang > > Even if i could not get recovery cd it would be nice to be able to watch the exorcist > dvd that i bought specifically for this machine. Plus i really like to know the quality > of dvd playback with the hardware decorder card on the 770e > > Again, thank you so much for all your suggestions/help. > > Still Frustrated, > > Jon > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > Jon.. > > the 770E came with, if my failing memory is not THAT gone, 32megs on the system > > board.. > > IF you have more, then there IS an upgrade memory DIMM in at least one DIMM socket.. > > > > pull it and try again.. > > > > the no DVD CD or CD present means you need to reload the p[roper DVD player, run the > > region diskette and then try a movie that has the same region.. > > > > the DVD movie quality is great if all is installed correctly.. > > > > Jon wrote: > > > > > The cd rom/ dvd rom and floppy are all in the order it should be. BOth recovery > > > cd and recovery floppy are not working. > > > > > > The memory in the machines appears to be a upgraded version (one slot 98 meg) so > > > there is nothing to pull there. > > > > > > The hard drive partition are both still FAT 16, so there is no conflict there > > > with ibm dos system. > > > > > > I am really out of hope at this point and seems like the laptop is on the way to > > > the factory this coming monday. I am really dazzled with this. WHAT COULD BE THE > > > PROBLEM ???? > > > > > > Now, can someone help me out on the dvd ? at least i can watch that Exorcists > > > dvd and the spinning head thingy on the machine. > > > 1) the computer doesnt recognize the dvd cd. It can read ordinary cd and audio > > > cd fine. error msg > > > 2) There are no conflict in device manager > > > 3) installed all the drivers both from ibm web site and the cds/floppy that > > > comes with the encorder card > > > > > > P/S: I am really curious, how is the quality of the dvd movies on the 770e ? I > > > have the hardware encorder card and dvd rom with it. > > > > > > Thanks again for everyone's help... it just me. > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > Rob Bell wrote: > > > > > > > Dx-treme wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I called the IBM easy service line and they too are not able to run the > > > > > recovery cd from the c-rom, dvd drive and the floppy drive. > > > > > > > > > > we tried with 2 recovery cds and the cds are not not defective. > > > > > > > > So you've confirmed that the CD/DVD drive is in the boot order and > > > > before the HD? > > > > > > > > Since the recovery CD's drive image is stored as basically a zip file > > > > (*.imz), theoretically you could use WinZip to unzip it to the D: drive, > > > > format C:, then boot to a floppy and XCOPY everything to C:. I've never > > > > done this, but I think it would be workable. You don't have much to > > > > lose... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end, the tech guy (very pleasant and curteous) decided to have the > > > > > machine sent to the factory on monday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Usually the turnaround time is short. Someone on the list even > > > > mentioned they had a 2-day repair lately. > > > > > > > > > If possible i really dont want to be without a computer for a week. > > > > > Anymore ideas out there that can help me resolve this pain ? Will reformat > > > > > the HDD or Uninstalling Win 98 help ? DO i actually need a Win 95 cd rom > > > > > if i were to unistall Win 98 ?? > > > > > > > > None of that is going to automatically make the recovery CD work or > > > > bootable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HOw good can this 770e at running Linux Redhat (I almost had it with MS > > > > > window OS, tons of crashes just this afternoon). I am not very familliar > > > > > with Linux, Is 100% Linux compaitable with all PC software ? > > > > > > > > > > Frustrated, > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > Don't give up on Windows. Your machine seems pretty goofed up right > > > > now. Wait until you have a fresh system before judging things. Linux > > > > is good, but you can't use Windows programs (PC software, essentially), > > > > nor can you access some things like Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc. Linux > > > > seems to be favored by those who do mainly: Internet stuff, > > > > development, or use it as a server. > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > Rob > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > > on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 01:38:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13166 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 01:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03745; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 01:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 01:35:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03485; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 01:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03469; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 01:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 01:35:06 -0400 Received: from wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (fsict-tc5-31.fn.net) by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) with ESMTP id <01JC279D1ST2I1BQOV@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:36:44 CST Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 00:28:17 -0500 From: Jon Subject: Re: 770e BIG problems To: Donald Mak Cc: Bill Morrow , Rob Bell , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <375A06F0.42BB9D3F@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,zh,zh-TW,af References: <37588589.3D349F84@csc.com> <37589C3E.304DF7F9@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <3758B6AF.8BEB4F20@icanect.net> <37594D51.987A332F@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <001701beafd4$4eda27c0$39276420@thinkpad> List-Unsubscribe: Ok, i reformatted the HD and made it to 2 partitions. With the recovery cd/ floppy i still couldnt get it to boot up. it still doing the infinite loop (restarts itself over and over again). However, i can start with the boot disk and get to see the contents of the recovery diskette. I tried to run the recovery manually with sucess(i got to the select your language screen but it gives out a < incorrect dos version> error over and over again. HELP !!!!!!!! A little bit less frustrated, Jon Donald Mak wrote: > Jon, > The more I think about it the more I am leaning toward what I wrote earlier. > I think it has to do with the way your > hard drive is currently partitioned. Since the CD, DVD and floppy all work > but not with the Recovery CD it is not finding the C: partition where it > expects it. > Bill may be right about initializing the system but I am a little sceptical > as that has more to do with making sure that irq's are assigned and since > the system is going into a loop with the recovery CD it implies that the > system is actually reading the CD, else it would just boot windows.. > > As for problems with the DVD. The error you are receiving "failed to perform > stream creation VPM" sounds like you have the latest video drivers > installed. You will need to revert to the previous version for dvd to play. > As for the playback, I can say that I see no difference between the quality > on the 770 (with hardware decoder) vs a standalone dvd player. > > Don > > > OK, removed the extra 64 meg memory DIMM from the 770e, boot up the thing > with the > > recovery cd and recovery diskette..... Nothing Works, the computer jsut > does an infinite > > loop (it restart itself over and over again) > > > > I can say i tried almost everything logical and recommended here and the > thing just > > would not boot up with the recovery cd. > > > > The 2 recovery cds are ok (i tried it on my desktop) > > The dvd rom and cd rom are ok when in use without the recovery cds > > The floopy drive is also flawless > > > > Two more options here to make/do here > > > > 1) formatting the HD ( i need serious help here ) i do not have a win 95 > cd but i do > > have a stand alone win 98 cd available. what steps should i take ? > > > > 2) Uninstall win 98 from the computer and hope that i can run the recovery > cd from the > > machine's win 95 > > > > The DVD problem. > > errors messages that i get when trying to run DVD with softdvd prog > > > > > > > > then the system hang > > > > Even if i could not get recovery cd it would be nice to be able to watch > the exorcist > > dvd that i bought specifically for this machine. Plus i really like to > know the quality > > of dvd playback with the hardware decorder card on the 770e > > > > Again, thank you so much for all your suggestions/help. > > > > Still Frustrated, > > > > Jon > > > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > Jon.. > > > the 770E came with, if my failing memory is not THAT gone, 32megs on the > system > > > board.. > > > IF you have more, then there IS an upgrade memory DIMM in at least one > DIMM socket.. > > > > > > pull it and try again.. > > > > > > the no DVD CD or CD present means you need to reload the p[roper DVD > player, run the > > > region diskette and then try a movie that has the same region.. > > > > > > the DVD movie quality is great if all is installed correctly.. > > > > > > Jon wrote: > > > > > > > The cd rom/ dvd rom and floppy are all in the order it should be. BOth > recovery > > > > cd and recovery floppy are not working. > > > > > > > > The memory in the machines appears to be a upgraded version (one slot > 98 meg) so > > > > there is nothing to pull there. > > > > > > > > The hard drive partition are both still FAT 16, so there is no > conflict there > > > > with ibm dos system. > > > > > > > > I am really out of hope at this point and seems like the laptop is on > the way to > > > > the factory this coming monday. I am really dazzled with this. WHAT > COULD BE THE > > > > PROBLEM ???? > > > > > > > > Now, can someone help me out on the dvd ? at least i can watch that > Exorcists > > > > dvd and the spinning head thingy on the machine. > > > > 1) the computer doesnt recognize the dvd cd. It can read ordinary cd > and audio > > > > cd fine. error msg > > > > 2) There are no conflict in device manager > > > > 3) installed all the drivers both from ibm web site and the cds/floppy > that > > > > comes with the encorder card > > > > > > > > P/S: I am really curious, how is the quality of the dvd movies on the > 770e ? I > > > > have the hardware encorder card and dvd rom with it. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for everyone's help... it just me. > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > Rob Bell wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dx-treme wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I called the IBM easy service line and they too are not able to > run the > > > > > > recovery cd from the c-rom, dvd drive and the floppy drive. > > > > > > > > > > > > we tried with 2 recovery cds and the cds are not not defective. > > > > > > > > > > So you've confirmed that the CD/DVD drive is in the boot order and > > > > > before the HD? > > > > > > > > > > Since the recovery CD's drive image is stored as basically a zip > file > > > > > (*.imz), theoretically you could use WinZip to unzip it to the D: > drive, > > > > > format C:, then boot to a floppy and XCOPY everything to C:. I've > never > > > > > done this, but I think it would be workable. You don't have much to > > > > > lose... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end, the tech guy (very pleasant and curteous) decided to > have the > > > > > > machine sent to the factory on monday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Usually the turnaround time is short. Someone on the list even > > > > > mentioned they had a 2-day repair lately. > > > > > > > > > > > If possible i really dont want to be without a computer for a > week. > > > > > > Anymore ideas out there that can help me resolve this pain ? Will > reformat > > > > > > the HDD or Uninstalling Win 98 help ? DO i actually need a Win 95 > cd rom > > > > > > if i were to unistall Win 98 ?? > > > > > > > > > > None of that is going to automatically make the recovery CD work or > > > > > bootable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HOw good can this 770e at running Linux Redhat (I almost had it > with MS > > > > > > window OS, tons of crashes just this afternoon). I am not very > familliar > > > > > > with Linux, Is 100% Linux compaitable with all PC software ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Frustrated, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > Don't give up on Windows. Your machine seems pretty goofed up right > > > > > now. Wait until you have a fresh system before judging things. > Linux > > > > > is good, but you can't use Windows programs (PC software, > essentially), > > > > > nor can you access some things like Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc. > Linux > > > > > seems to be favored by those who do mainly: Internet stuff, > > > > > development, or use it as a server. > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > Rob > > > > > > -- > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > vary, Done > > > on a > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 02:48:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA13629 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05776; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:45:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05584; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05571; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:45:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA05954 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 23:45:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 23:45:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Windows 98 Explorer Problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I seem to have a problem on my 770Z 9549-8AU with Win98 that I can't figure out, normally when you go to My COmputer -> C Drive and click on C:\Windows, it will give the warning and then you do the show files which you have to click before it shows C:\Windows, for some reason, mines goes directly into C:\Windows and C:\Windows\System without the warning. I asked Microsoft but they said it's a IBM OEM version so they don't support it. Anyone know how to fix this? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 08:48:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA14806 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 08:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20776; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 08:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 08:45:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20556; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 08:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamgaae.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20543; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 08:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamgaae.compuserve.com (149.174.217.148 -> as-img-5.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 08:44:55 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.0) id IAA18629 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 08:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 08:44:31 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Swapping HDDs Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <199906060844_MC2-7861-E67B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: For a while I have been planning a HDD upgrade in my 755CX from the original 810Mb I have acquired a new WD 540Mb unit and was going to use it as a backup drive, but it is a bare unit. So, I took a closer look to see if it was feasible to simply swap over the caddy from the 810Mb unit. = On a closer inspection, the caddy is plastic and once the lugs are carefully prised appart, it opens to reveal the drive which must be a 17.5mm(?) form factor. The WD 540Mb must be 12.5mm as it is shallower. However, it looks as if I need to swap the ribbon connector to?? Is this = a removable ellement though? It looks pretty firmly connected to the originaldrive to me?? After getting some painful thumbnails(!) I think my plan may be unfeasibl= e and should look for either a plastic cadddy or, could I get away with jus= t annother ribbon connector at a push? Are these available?? Any comments appreciated. Cheers From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 09:23:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA14936 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21753; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:21:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21598; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21583; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:21:26 -0400 Received: from bp ([12.77.218.31]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990606132122.LZWR10622@bp>; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:21:22 +0000 Message-ID: <375A764B.2C9D@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 09:23:23 -0400 From: BirgerPetterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows 98 Explorer Problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vincent Poy wrote: > > I seem to have a problem on my 770Z 9549-8AU with Win98 that I > can't figure out, normally when you go to My COmputer -> C Drive and click > on C:\Windows, it will give the warning and then you do the show files > which you have to click before it shows C:\Windows, for some reason, mines > goes directly into C:\Windows and C:\Windows\System without the warning. > Sounds like you have a flaky hdd. I had somewhat similar situations on my 7AU when I got it. Finaly convinced IBM that the hdd was the culprit when I told them that after I put in another hdd the problems went away. Finaly EZserv replaced the hdd and no more problems. But I had to send the whole machine to EZserv. IBM hates to replace hdd it seems. You have had all the indications of a flaky hdd. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 10:03:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA15071 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23157; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:02:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22995; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22979; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:02:00 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id JAA29228; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990606095640.00976900@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 09:57:57 -0400 To: Vincent Poy From: richard Subject: Re: Windows 98 Explorer Problem Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:45 PM 6/5/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > I seem to have a problem on my 770Z 9549-8AU with Win98 that I >can't figure out, normally when you go to My COmputer -> C Drive and click >on C:\Windows, it will give the warning and then you do the show files >which you have to click before it shows C:\Windows, for some reason, mines >goes directly into C:\Windows and C:\Windows\System without the warning. >I asked Microsoft but they said it's a IBM OEM version so they don't >support it. Anyone know how to fix this? I go to My Computer and click on the (C:) drive icon. I get a list of files and directories in C:\. One of the directories is Windows. When I click on the Windows folder icon I get a directory listing. Same for c:\windows\system. I never get any sort of warning. Am I misunderstanding your question? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 10:19:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA15149 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23918; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:18:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23789; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23775; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:18:13 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (p3E9D37E1.dip.t-online.de [62.157.55.225]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id LZC435TS; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:16:24 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: Windows 98 Explorer Problem - No question... Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:18:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, I do not presently have Win98 on my system, so I cannot check to see if I am correct, but as I remember it, you can go to Start -> Settings -> Folder Options and under the tab "View", you should be able to check select, view all hidden files. If you do not have this checked (i.e. "Do not show hidden files" or "Do not show hidden and system files") I think Win98 will give you the warning - because those folders are set up such that they contain many hidden and/or system files. I'm not exactly sure about this, however... I do remember, though, that after I had selected (either under folder properties or somewhere else) to show hidden/system files, that when I went back it no longer warned me about seeing those files. Another possibility is that if a check-box was offered to "Do not show this option again" and you checked on it, it would have gone away without going through what I just explained. Steve ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) Fax: +1 603 288 0296 ICQ: 15804759 ________________________________________________________________________ _ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 11:36:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15355 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26131; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:35:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25922; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25890; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.119 -> pilot019.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:35:02 -0400 Received: from andres (pm453-17.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.171]) by pilot019.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA32496 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:34:58 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990606113711.008cb730@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 11:37:11 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Windows 98 Explorer Problem In-Reply-To: <375A764B.2C9D@worldnet.att.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I don't see how this is the fault of a bad hard disk. I think you are seeing altered behavior from what you are used to, perhaps, but not a hardware problem. If it were the disk somehow, I think it would manifest itself in other ways. I'm not sure of the specifics, but the warning message you were getting: could it be that you wern't displaying system/hidden files? Offhand I forget how to change that, but I know that affects the way explorer works. The option you might want to try changing is 'file view' or something like that. Sorry I can't be more helpful--but I'm fairly sure that you don't have a hardware problem if this is the only thing going on. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 09:23 AM 6/6/99 -0400, BirgerPetterson wrote: >Vincent Poy wrote: >> >> I seem to have a problem on my 770Z 9549-8AU with Win98 that I >> can't figure out, normally when you go to My COmputer -> C Drive and click >> on C:\Windows, it will give the warning and then you do the show files >> which you have to click before it shows C:\Windows, for some reason, mines >> goes directly into C:\Windows and C:\Windows\System without the warning. >> > >Sounds like you have a flaky hdd. >I had somewhat similar situations on my 7AU when I got it. >Finaly convinced IBM that the hdd was the culprit when I told them >that after I put in another hdd the problems went away. Finaly EZserv >replaced the hdd and no more problems. >But I had to send the whole machine to EZserv. >IBM hates to replace hdd it seems. >You have had all the indications of a flaky hdd. > >Birger > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 11:54:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15421 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27314; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:53:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27206; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27193; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.62 -> slip-32-100-39-62.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:53:17 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01beb034$d5a1eee0$3e276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: , "Vincent Poy" Cc: References: <375A764B.2C9D@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Windows 98 Explorer Problem Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:54:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Unselect the option View As Web Page. You will need to do it in the individual folders as well. Don > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > I seem to have a problem on my 770Z 9549-8AU with Win98 that I > > can't figure out, normally when you go to My COmputer -> C Drive and click > > on C:\Windows, it will give the warning and then you do the show files > > which you have to click before it shows C:\Windows, for some reason, mines > > goes directly into C:\Windows and C:\Windows\System without the warning. > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 11:59:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15451 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27796; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:56:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27671; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27646; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.62 -> slip-32-100-39-62.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:56:11 -0400 Message-ID: <003f01beb035$3da48520$3e276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Jon" Cc: "Bill Morrow" , "Rob Bell" , References: <37588589.3D349F84@csc.com> <37589C3E.304DF7F9@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu><3758B6AF.8BEB4F20@icanect.net> <37594D51.987A332F@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu><001701beafd4$4eda27c0$39276420@thinkpad> <375A06F0.42BB9D3F@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> Subject: Re: 770e BIG problems Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:57:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Is the first partition fat16? > Ok, i reformatted the HD and made it to 2 partitions. > > With the recovery cd/ floppy i still couldnt get it to boot up. it still doing > the infinite loop (restarts itself over and over again). > > However, i can start with the boot disk and get to see the contents of the > recovery diskette. I tried to run the recovery manually with sucess(i got to the > select your language screen but it gives out a < incorrect dos version> error > over and over again. > > HELP !!!!!!!! > > A little bit less frustrated, > > Jon > > > Donald Mak wrote: > > > Jon, > > The more I think about it the more I am leaning toward what I wrote earlier. > > I think it has to do with the way your > > hard drive is currently partitioned. Since the CD, DVD and floppy all work > > but not with the Recovery CD it is not finding the C: partition where it > > expects it. > > Bill may be right about initializing the system but I am a little sceptical > > as that has more to do with making sure that irq's are assigned and since > > the system is going into a loop with the recovery CD it implies that the > > system is actually reading the CD, else it would just boot windows.. > > > > As for problems with the DVD. The error you are receiving "failed to perform > > stream creation VPM" sounds like you have the latest video drivers > > installed. You will need to revert to the previous version for dvd to play. > > As for the playback, I can say that I see no difference between the quality > > on the 770 (with hardware decoder) vs a standalone dvd player. > > > > Don > > > > > OK, removed the extra 64 meg memory DIMM from the 770e, boot up the thing > > with the > > > recovery cd and recovery diskette..... Nothing Works, the computer jsut > > does an infinite > > > loop (it restart itself over and over again) > > > > > > I can say i tried almost everything logical and recommended here and the > > thing just > > > would not boot up with the recovery cd. > > > > > > The 2 recovery cds are ok (i tried it on my desktop) > > > The dvd rom and cd rom are ok when in use without the recovery cds > > > The floopy drive is also flawless > > > > > > Two more options here to make/do here > > > > > > 1) formatting the HD ( i need serious help here ) i do not have a win 95 > > cd but i do > > > have a stand alone win 98 cd available. what steps should i take ? > > > > > > 2) Uninstall win 98 from the computer and hope that i can run the recovery > > cd from the > > > machine's win 95 > > > > > > The DVD problem. > > > errors messages that i get when trying to run DVD with softdvd prog > > > > > > > > > > > > then the system hang > > > > > > Even if i could not get recovery cd it would be nice to be able to watch > > the exorcist > > > dvd that i bought specifically for this machine. Plus i really like to > > know the quality > > > of dvd playback with the hardware decorder card on the 770e > > > > > > Again, thank you so much for all your suggestions/help. > > > > > > Still Frustrated, > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > Jon.. > > > > the 770E came with, if my failing memory is not THAT gone, 32megs on the > > system > > > > board.. > > > > IF you have more, then there IS an upgrade memory DIMM in at least one > > DIMM socket.. > > > > > > > > pull it and try again.. > > > > > > > > the no DVD CD or CD present means you need to reload the p[roper DVD > > player, run the > > > > region diskette and then try a movie that has the same region.. > > > > > > > > the DVD movie quality is great if all is installed correctly.. > > > > > > > > Jon wrote: > > > > > > > > > The cd rom/ dvd rom and floppy are all in the order it should be. BOth > > recovery > > > > > cd and recovery floppy are not working. > > > > > > > > > > The memory in the machines appears to be a upgraded version (one slot > > 98 meg) so > > > > > there is nothing to pull there. > > > > > > > > > > The hard drive partition are both still FAT 16, so there is no > > conflict there > > > > > with ibm dos system. > > > > > > > > > > I am really out of hope at this point and seems like the laptop is on > > the way to > > > > > the factory this coming monday. I am really dazzled with this. WHAT > > COULD BE THE > > > > > PROBLEM ???? > > > > > > > > > > Now, can someone help me out on the dvd ? at least i can watch that > > Exorcists > > > > > dvd and the spinning head thingy on the machine. > > > > > 1) the computer doesnt recognize the dvd cd. It can read ordinary cd > > and audio > > > > > cd fine. error msg > > > > > 2) There are no conflict in device manager > > > > > 3) installed all the drivers both from ibm web site and the cds/floppy > > that > > > > > comes with the encorder card > > > > > > > > > > P/S: I am really curious, how is the quality of the dvd movies on the > > 770e ? I > > > > > have the hardware encorder card and dvd rom with it. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for everyone's help... it just me. > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > Rob Bell wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dx-treme wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I called the IBM easy service line and they too are not able to > > run the > > > > > > > recovery cd from the c-rom, dvd drive and the floppy drive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we tried with 2 recovery cds and the cds are not not defective. > > > > > > > > > > > > So you've confirmed that the CD/DVD drive is in the boot order and > > > > > > before the HD? > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the recovery CD's drive image is stored as basically a zip > > file > > > > > > (*.imz), theoretically you could use WinZip to unzip it to the D: > > drive, > > > > > > format C:, then boot to a floppy and XCOPY everything to C:. I've > > never > > > > > > done this, but I think it would be workable. You don't have much to > > > > > > lose... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end, the tech guy (very pleasant and curteous) decided to > > have the > > > > > > > machine sent to the factory on monday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Usually the turnaround time is short. Someone on the list even > > > > > > mentioned they had a 2-day repair lately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If possible i really dont want to be without a computer for a > > week. > > > > > > > Anymore ideas out there that can help me resolve this pain ? Will > > reformat > > > > > > > the HDD or Uninstalling Win 98 help ? DO i actually need a Win 95 > > cd rom > > > > > > > if i were to unistall Win 98 ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > None of that is going to automatically make the recovery CD work or > > > > > > bootable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HOw good can this 770e at running Linux Redhat (I almost had it > > with MS > > > > > > > window OS, tons of crashes just this afternoon). I am not very > > familliar > > > > > > > with Linux, Is 100% Linux compaitable with all PC software ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frustrated, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't give up on Windows. Your machine seems pretty goofed up right > > > > > > now. Wait until you have a fresh system before judging things. > > Linux > > > > > > is good, but you can't use Windows programs (PC software, > > essentially), > > > > > > nor can you access some things like Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc. > > Linux > > > > > > seems to be favored by those who do mainly: Internet stuff, > > > > > > development, or use it as a server. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > > vary, Done > > > > on a > > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 12:31:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15616 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29937; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:29:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29827; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw3adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29812; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:29:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail-gw3adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (151.164.30.53 -> mail-gw3.rcsntx.swbell.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:29:45 -0400 Received: from p350 (ppp-209-184-83-211.hstntx.swbell.net [209.184.83.211]) by mail-gw3adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA26972; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:29:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005001beb039$bb276c20$d353b8d1@p350> To: , "Vincent Poy" Cc: References: <375A764B.2C9D@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Windows 98 Explorer Problem Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:29:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This doesn't have a thing to do with the hard drive. If you don't want the warning, turn off active desk top and deselect 'view as web page" on the folder. If you do want the warning, do the opposite. ----- Original Message ----- From: BirgerPetterson To: Vincent Poy Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 06, 1999 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Windows 98 Explorer Problem > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > I seem to have a problem on my 770Z 9549-8AU with Win98 that I > > can't figure out, normally when you go to My COmputer -> C Drive and click > > on C:\Windows, it will give the warning and then you do the show files > > which you have to click before it shows C:\Windows, for some reason, mines > > goes directly into C:\Windows and C:\Windows\System without the warning. > > > > Sounds like you have a flaky hdd. > I had somewhat similar situations on my 7AU when I got it. > Finaly convinced IBM that the hdd was the culprit when I told them > that after I put in another hdd the problems went away. Finaly EZserv > replaced the hdd and no more problems. > But I had to send the whole machine to EZserv. > IBM hates to replace hdd it seems. > You have had all the indications of a flaky hdd. > > Birger > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 12:43:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15648 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00737; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:41:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00611; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00598; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:41:33 -0400 Received: from wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (fsict-tc13-04.fn.net) by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) with ESMTP id <01JC2UJNPQL0I1BSBU@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:43:13 CST Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 11:34:43 -0500 From: Jon Subject: Giving up on IBM 770e To: Donald Mak , Rob Bell Cc: Bill Morrow , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, penzance@icanect.net, dvmak@ibm.net Message-id: <375AA322.FBCE983C@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,zh,zh-TW,af References: <37588589.3D349F84@csc.com> <37589C3E.304DF7F9@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <3758B6AF.8BEB4F20@icanect.net> <37594D51.987A332F@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <001701beafd4$4eda27c0$39276420@thinkpad> <375A06F0.42BB9D3F@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <003f01beb035$3da48520$3e276420@thinkpad> List-Unsubscribe: 1) cd drive, dvd drive & floppy drive can all read/write/boot other cd/floppy EXCEPT the IBM RECOVERY CD/FLOPPY 2) checked all the system board,HDD, CD rom, FLoppy in Easy Setup - all are OK 3) Initialized and making sure the boot sequence is in order in easy setup 3) Latest Bios installed 4/14/99 4) all the sequence possible with all the IBM recovery media, 2 cd and 1 floppy diskette as well as combinations of using dvd rom, cd rom. --------------------------------------------------- This is the final attempt made last night with another help from IBM support. 1) removed all extra media ( extra memory, enchanced video adaptor, pc modem card, even the battery! ) 2) run fdisk from win 95 boot up diskette and reformat HDD. HDD is formatted so that it will not support large files and its in fat 16 mode. Didnt even make extra partition. Just primary partition fat 16 for 2 gig. the HDD is not even compressed. 3) Again tried all sequence possible with the combination of 2 recovery cds and 1 floppy with the dvd rom, cd rom and floppy drive. --- FAILED the thing still reboot itself infinitely. 4) Finally, i boot up using win 95 and got into the contents of recovery floppy drive. I then run the , finally i got into the selecting language ...bla bla bla and then i select restore original ..... then the thing just RESTART IT SELF AGAIN !!!!!! I gave up on this machine and i want to request for a new motherboard or a new machine from IBM. This just doesnt make sense at all. Anyone can make a technical assumption on what is going on with the machine ? i like to know the rational reasons so that i can keep my sanity, Really Frustrated and giving up hope Jon Donald Mak wrote: > Is the first partition fat16? > > > Ok, i reformatted the HD and made it to 2 partitions. > > > > With the recovery cd/ floppy i still couldnt get it to boot up. it still > doing > > the infinite loop (restarts itself over and over again). > > > > However, i can start with the boot disk and get to see the contents of the > > recovery diskette. I tried to run the recovery manually with sucess(i got > to the > > select your language screen but it gives out a < incorrect dos version> > error > > over and over again. > > > > HELP !!!!!!!! > > > > A little bit less frustrated, > > > > Jon > > > > > > Donald Mak wrote: > > > > > Jon, > > > The more I think about it the more I am leaning toward what I wrote > earlier. > > > I think it has to do with the way your > > > hard drive is currently partitioned. Since the CD, DVD and floppy all > work > > > but not with the Recovery CD it is not finding the C: partition where it > > > expects it. > > > Bill may be right about initializing the system but I am a little > sceptical > > > as that has more to do with making sure that irq's are assigned and > since > > > the system is going into a loop with the recovery CD it implies that the > > > system is actually reading the CD, else it would just boot windows.. > > > > > > As for problems with the DVD. The error you are receiving "failed to > perform > > > stream creation VPM" sounds like you have the latest video drivers > > > installed. You will need to revert to the previous version for dvd to > play. > > > As for the playback, I can say that I see no difference between the > quality > > > on the 770 (with hardware decoder) vs a standalone dvd player. > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > OK, removed the extra 64 meg memory DIMM from the 770e, boot up the > thing > > > with the > > > > recovery cd and recovery diskette..... Nothing Works, the computer > jsut > > > does an infinite > > > > loop (it restart itself over and over again) > > > > > > > > I can say i tried almost everything logical and recommended here and > the > > > thing just > > > > would not boot up with the recovery cd. > > > > > > > > The 2 recovery cds are ok (i tried it on my desktop) > > > > The dvd rom and cd rom are ok when in use without the recovery cds > > > > The floopy drive is also flawless > > > > > > > > Two more options here to make/do here > > > > > > > > 1) formatting the HD ( i need serious help here ) i do not have a win > 95 > > > cd but i do > > > > have a stand alone win 98 cd available. what steps should i take ? > > > > > > > > 2) Uninstall win 98 from the computer and hope that i can run the > recovery > > > cd from the > > > > machine's win 95 > > > > > > > > The DVD problem. > > > > errors messages that i get when trying to run DVD with softdvd prog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then the system hang > > > > > > > > Even if i could not get recovery cd it would be nice to be able to > watch > > > the exorcist > > > > dvd that i bought specifically for this machine. Plus i really like to > > > know the quality > > > > of dvd playback with the hardware decorder card on the 770e > > > > > > > > Again, thank you so much for all your suggestions/help. > > > > > > > > Still Frustrated, > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > > > Jon.. > > > > > the 770E came with, if my failing memory is not THAT gone, 32megs on > the > > > system > > > > > board.. > > > > > IF you have more, then there IS an upgrade memory DIMM in at least > one > > > DIMM socket.. > > > > > > > > > > pull it and try again.. > > > > > > > > > > the no DVD CD or CD present means you need to reload the p[roper DVD > > > player, run the > > > > > region diskette and then try a movie that has the same region.. > > > > > > > > > > the DVD movie quality is great if all is installed correctly.. > > > > > > > > > > Jon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The cd rom/ dvd rom and floppy are all in the order it should be. > BOth > > > recovery > > > > > > cd and recovery floppy are not working. > > > > > > > > > > > > The memory in the machines appears to be a upgraded version (one > slot > > > 98 meg) so > > > > > > there is nothing to pull there. > > > > > > > > > > > > The hard drive partition are both still FAT 16, so there is no > > > conflict there > > > > > > with ibm dos system. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am really out of hope at this point and seems like the laptop is > on > > > the way to > > > > > > the factory this coming monday. I am really dazzled with this. > WHAT > > > COULD BE THE > > > > > > PROBLEM ???? > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, can someone help me out on the dvd ? at least i can watch > that > > > Exorcists > > > > > > dvd and the spinning head thingy on the machine. > > > > > > 1) the computer doesnt recognize the dvd cd. It can read ordinary > cd > > > and audio > > > > > > cd fine. error msg > > > > > > 2) There are no conflict in device manager > > > > > > 3) installed all the drivers both from ibm web site and the > cds/floppy > > > that > > > > > > comes with the encorder card > > > > > > > > > > > > P/S: I am really curious, how is the quality of the dvd movies on > the > > > 770e ? I > > > > > > have the hardware encorder card and dvd rom with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for everyone's help... it just me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob Bell wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dx-treme wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I called the IBM easy service line and they too are not able > to > > > run the > > > > > > > > recovery cd from the c-rom, dvd drive and the floppy drive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we tried with 2 recovery cds and the cds are not not > defective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you've confirmed that the CD/DVD drive is in the boot order > and > > > > > > > before the HD? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the recovery CD's drive image is stored as basically a zip > > > file > > > > > > > (*.imz), theoretically you could use WinZip to unzip it to the > D: > > > drive, > > > > > > > format C:, then boot to a floppy and XCOPY everything to C:. > I've > > > never > > > > > > > done this, but I think it would be workable. You don't have > much to > > > > > > > lose... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end, the tech guy (very pleasant and curteous) decided > to > > > have the > > > > > > > > machine sent to the factory on monday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Usually the turnaround time is short. Someone on the list even > > > > > > > mentioned they had a 2-day repair lately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If possible i really dont want to be without a computer for a > > > week. > > > > > > > > Anymore ideas out there that can help me resolve this pain ? > Will > > > reformat > > > > > > > > the HDD or Uninstalling Win 98 help ? DO i actually need a Win > 95 > > > cd rom > > > > > > > > if i were to unistall Win 98 ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of that is going to automatically make the recovery CD work > or > > > > > > > bootable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HOw good can this 770e at running Linux Redhat (I almost had > it > > > with MS > > > > > > > > window OS, tons of crashes just this afternoon). I am not very > > > familliar > > > > > > > > with Linux, Is 100% Linux compaitable with all PC software ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frustrated, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't give up on Windows. Your machine seems pretty goofed up > right > > > > > > > now. Wait until you have a fresh system before judging things. > > > Linux > > > > > > > is good, but you can't use Windows programs (PC software, > > > essentially), > > > > > > > nor can you access some things like Word, Excel, PowerPoint, > etc. > > > Linux > > > > > > > seems to be favored by those who do mainly: Internet stuff, > > > > > > > development, or use it as a server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage > will > > > vary, Done > > > > > on a > > > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 12:59:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15706 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01681; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:58:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01554; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01539; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (192.100.81.132 -> netcom19.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:58:15 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA21539 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:58:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199906061658.JAA21539@netcom19.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 2nd hdd adapter for 770 List-Unsubscribe: From: "J. Carlos M. Sibal" Subject: 770e hard drive caddy I just picked up a thinkpad 770 2nd Hard Drive Adapter for my 2nd hard drive-- unfortunately I didnt know that I still need the metal casing for my 2nd Hard Drive for it to work with the 2nd Hard Drive Adapter. Does anyone know where I can purchase this caddy or case for my 2nd Hard Disk (which I bought without the thinkpad casing thinking it would work when I got the 2nd hard drive adapter) Whaaaat?! The 2nd hdd adapter requires that the 2nd disk be in one of those 770 cannisters? I thought you could just put a bare drive into it. Damn. I have one of those things too (haven't gotten around to using it, obviously). Anyway, Bill Morrow sells the cannisters but they are pretty expensive. Now I don't know if I'll buy one or not. There were some things I wanted to do with the 2nd hdd, but I can probably get by without it. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 13:22:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA15787 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03137; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:21:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03041; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03022; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:20:51 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id NAA14309 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990606130239.00972560@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 13:20:48 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: 570 modem, etc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: The built-in Lucent WinModem in my 570 no longer wakes up from hibernation. Running settings->controlpanel->modems->diagnostics reports "port in use." It works fine after suspend. Rebooting cures the problem. The problem seems to have started a few days ago, when I decided to add NT4 to a spare partition, but that could be just a coincidence. I tried reinstalling the driver software, which did not help. Shutdown->shutdown restarts, rather than shutting down. I'm running Win98SE, btw. Any suggestions? Also, the keyboard is getting rather warm after a number of hours of use. I'm used to having the bottom of the notebook getting hot, but not the keyboard. Specifically, heat is rising from the spaces between the keys. The bottom is hot and I guess heat rises. The right inch or two of the screen is getting rather warm, especially the outside of the case behind the screen. The rest of the screen/case is cool. Is this normal? Something to worry about? I didn't notice either of these warming trends in the first few days of ownership, but can't swear that they weren't there. On the good news side, re-testing reveals that the Travelstar 10Gt is no louder than the 4gb drive (4GN?) that came with the notebook. The larger drive makes a higher frequency sound, though. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 14:19:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16068 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06447; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:17:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05986; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05972; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:17:09 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-145.gate.net [199.227.20.208]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA289552; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:18:43 -0400 Message-ID: <375ABB1A.D35C9658@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 14:16:58 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon CC: Donald Mak , Rob Bell , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Giving up on IBM 770e References: <37588589.3D349F84@csc.com> <37589C3E.304DF7F9@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <3758B6AF.8BEB4F20@icanect.net> <37594D51.987A332F@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <001701beafd4$4eda27c0$39276420@thinkpad> <375A06F0.42BB9D3F@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <003f01beb035$3da48520$3e276420@thinkpad> <375AA322.FBCE983C@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jon... well, you did it all, so ezserve is it..! **SNIP** -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 14:20:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16073 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06469; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:17:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06051; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06022; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:17:32 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-145.gate.net [199.227.20.208]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA352384; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:19:08 -0400 Message-ID: <375ABB33.68D79B4@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 14:17:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon CC: Donald Mak , Rob Bell , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Giving up on IBM 770e References: <37588589.3D349F84@csc.com> <37589C3E.304DF7F9@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <3758B6AF.8BEB4F20@icanect.net> <37594D51.987A332F@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <001701beafd4$4eda27c0$39276420@thinkpad> <375A06F0.42BB9D3F@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <003f01beb035$3da48520$3e276420@thinkpad> <375AA322.FBCE983C@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jon... well, you did it all, so ezserve is it..! perhaps thats why it was a bargain.. ? :-) **SNIP** -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 14:21:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16084 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06810; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:20:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06708; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06629; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:20:26 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-145.gate.net [199.227.20.208]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA140886; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:21:51 -0400 Message-ID: <375ABBD6.FB23CDE2@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 14:20:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 2nd hdd adapter for 770 References: <199906061658.JAA21539@netcom19.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul.. prices are lower on the 770 HDD shell.. :-) especially for old customers and MAYBE (even) list members.. :-)) (or maybe 'cuz it's sunday and i spent my one hour for the week tractoring and farming..) Paul Rubin wrote: > From: "J. Carlos M. Sibal" > Subject: 770e hard drive caddy > > I just picked up a thinkpad 770 2nd Hard Drive Adapter for my > 2nd hard drive-- unfortunately I didnt know that I still need > the metal casing for my 2nd Hard Drive for it to work with the > 2nd Hard Drive Adapter. Does anyone know where I can purchase > this caddy or case for my 2nd Hard Disk (which I bought > without the thinkpad casing thinking it would work when I got > the 2nd hard drive adapter) > > Whaaaat?! The 2nd hdd adapter requires that the 2nd disk be in one > of those 770 cannisters? I thought you could just put a bare drive > into it. Damn. I have one of those things too (haven't gotten around > to using it, obviously). > > Anyway, Bill Morrow sells the cannisters but they are pretty expensive. > Now I don't know if I'll buy one or not. There were some things I wanted > to do with the 2nd hdd, but I can probably get by without it. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 14:27:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16110 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07473; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:26:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07396; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07379; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:26:07 -0400 Received: from wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (fsict-tc13-04.fn.net) by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) with ESMTP id <01JC2Y7BYWDQI1BQPD@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:27:47 CST Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 13:19:19 -0500 From: Jon Subject: Re: Giving up on IBM 770e Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <375ABBA6.8F6EED44@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,zh,zh-TW,af References: <37588589.3D349F84@csc.com> <37589C3E.304DF7F9@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <3758B6AF.8BEB4F20@icanect.net> <37594D51.987A332F@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <001701beafd4$4eda27c0$39276420@thinkpad> <375A06F0.42BB9D3F@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <003f01beb035$3da48520$3e276420@thinkpad> <375AA322.FBCE983C@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> <375ABB33.68D79B4@icanect.net> List-Unsubscribe: Thank god the machine still has 31 month warranty life on it. Now i need to make sure IBM replace a new mother board or replace the whole unit. Perhaps a 770 z of the 770e's are out of stock ?? :| thanks again for all your help Jon Bill Morrow wrote: > Jon... > > well, you did it all, so ezserve is it..! > > perhaps thats why it was a bargain.. ? :-) > > **SNIP** > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 14:29:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16120 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07922; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:27:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07782; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07643; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:27:21 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-145.gate.net [199.227.20.208]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA220180; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:28:56 -0400 Message-ID: <375ABD7F.8B12D40A@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 14:27:11 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 modem, etc. References: <4.1.19990606130239.00972560@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Richard.. richard wrote: > The built-in Lucent WinModem in my 570 no longer wakes up from hibernation. > Running settings->controlpanel->modems->diagnostics reports "port in use." > It works fine after suspend. Rebooting cures the problem. The problem > seems to have started a few days ago, when I decided to add NT4 to a spare > partition, but that could be just a coincidence. I tried reinstalling the > driver software, which did not help. > i don't like winmodems.. this is the only thing i don't like about the 570.. > Shutdown->shutdown restarts, rather than shutting down. I'm running > Win98SE, btw. > what is win98 "SE"..?? > Any suggestions? > > Also, the keyboard is getting rather warm after a number of hours of use. > I'm used to having the bottom of the notebook getting hot, but not the > keyboard. Specifically, heat is rising from the spaces between the keys. > The bottom is hot and I guess heat rises. > i had a 570 for a weekend, did not notice heat from keyboard.. > The right inch or two of the screen is getting rather warm, especially the > outside of the case behind the screen. The rest of the screen/case is cool. > did notice this..attributed it to the electroluminiscent (i HATE typing thet!) panel and associated inverter and so forth.. > Is this normal? Something to worry about? I didn't notice either of these > warming trends in the first few days of ownership, but can't swear that > they weren't there. > relax, its under warranty for 3 years..! :-) > On the good news side, re-testing reveals that the Travelstar 10Gt is no > louder than the 4gb drive (4GN?) that came with the notebook. The larger > drive makes a higher frequency sound, though. drives are individuals.. i've had many, many drives and they can be noisier or not, depending.. depending on what, i'm not sure, but altitude at time of manufacture and current altitude has been mentioned.. but i still think they just(like my wife) are occasionally(unlike my wife) noisy... -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 14:31:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16136 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08344; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:29:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08235; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08216; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:29:44 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-145.gate.net [199.227.20.208]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA227576; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:31:08 -0400 Message-ID: <375ABE03.FEAB05EC@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 14:29:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows 98 Explorer Problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vincent.. what warning..?? Vincent Poy wrote: > I seem to have a problem on my 770Z 9549-8AU with Win98 that I > can't figure out, normally when you go to My COmputer -> C Drive and click > on C:\Windows, it will give the warning and then you do the show files > which you have to click before it shows C:\Windows, for some reason, mines > goes directly into C:\Windows and C:\Windows\System without the warning. > I asked Microsoft but they said it's a IBM OEM version so they don't > support it. Anyone know how to fix this? > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 14:44:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16204 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09435; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:43:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09305; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09292; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (192.100.81.117 -> netcom8.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:43:41 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id LAA14856; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:43:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199906061843.LAA14856@netcom8.netcom.com> To: penzance@icanect.net, phr@netcom.com Subject: Re: 2nd hdd adapter for 770 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu List-Unsubscribe: Paul.. prices are lower on the 770 HDD shell.. :-) especially for old customers and MAYBE (even) list members.. :-)) (or maybe 'cuz it's sunday and i spent my one hour for the week tractoring and farming..) That's good to know--it's just disappointing to need one at all :) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 16:42:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16851 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12878; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:40:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12691; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12677; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (207.172.3.234 -> smtp1.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:39:54 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA12297; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990606155048.00915f00@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 16:39:47 -0400 To: Bill Morrow From: richard Subject: Re: 570 modem, etc. Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <375ABD7F.8B12D40A@icanect.net> References: <4.1.19990606130239.00972560@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:27 PM 6/6/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >i don't like winmodems.. this is the only thing i don't like about the 570.. I don't like them either. I would have gladly spent more for a real built-in modem. And built-in ethernet, for that matter. Nonetheless, I'd like to get it to waken from hibernate. >what is win98 "SE"..?? Second Edition. The soon to be officially released collection of bug fixes for win98. Plus "Internet Connection Sharing," allowing you to share your internet connection with other machines. >relax, its under warranty for 3 years..! :-) I *guess* that should be comforting. >i've had many, many drives and they can be noisier or not, depending.. >depending on what, i'm not sure, but altitude at time of manufacture and >current My experience too. I recently went through three supposedly identical drives for my office desktop until I got one with an acceptable noise level. Alas, that's harder for me to do here. I wonder if I could get it replaced under warranty? Not that it's very loud, but sometimes it makes a very annoying high pitched sound. At least it doesn't make a loud head parking noise (or was it thermal re-calibration) like a Toshiba drive I had a few years ago. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 22:32:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18548 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02701; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:30:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02412; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chas.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02375; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chas.org (24.129.50.160 -> surf4560.jacksonville.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:30:42 -0400 Received: from home ([chas.org]) by 127.0.0.1 ( IA Mail Server Version: 02.2.0 Build: 02036 ) ) ; 07 Jun 99 02:26:38 UT Message-Id: <4.1.19990606221845.00953ba0@207.98.192.83> X-Sender: cclarke@207.98.192.83 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 22:26:36 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Charles Clarke Subject: trimming quotes (not) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Not that anyone cares, but I am unsubscribing to what used to be a good list. And solely because so many of the contributors now just lazily include all prior material along with their input. Getting too much like an AOL session. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:09:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19445 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04511; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:07:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04351; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04338; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (198.137.169.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:07:26 -0400 Received: by localhost.zydacron.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:04:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Bourdon, Bruce" To: "'Think Pad email list'" Subject: New TPad owner... Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:04:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello: I recently purchased a refab'd ThinkPad 770 from one of the online auction houses. After reading about the unit on the various (IBM and other) sites I was dissapointed to find that the unit I received had nothing but Windows 95 (OSR2) installed for software! No IBM - Thinkpad related software at all! I have begun to poke around on the IBM website and downloaded some of the available files. I just installed the TrackPoint drivers - it works great now, and am currently attempting to install the Configuration and Fuel Gauge drivers. The IBM site frequently bombs for me when I attempt to follow a link, I notified their web guru. I assume the problem is not unique to me. I would greatly appreciate any advice you all might have to help me get this thing configured reasonably. Also note that my TPad did not come with a CDROM drive, or a network/modem card. I have ordered a PCMCIA card from egghead that will do 10-baseT and 33K data modem for $50. But at the moment all I have to connect this unit to any other is a shared external ZIP drive. Do any of you reccomend the DVD drive or its related video i/o card? The pair will cost me almost $500. I had originally planned to purchase a CDROM for it but when I found out what the cost I am now wondering if I should hold off until I can afford the DVD type.... Thanks for your patience and any help. Bruce. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:12:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19484 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04918; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:11:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04836; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04805; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.253 -> slip-32-100-39-253.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:11:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01beb093$94b4a3a0$fd276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: , "STeve Andre'" References: <4.1.19990606215555.00980400@pop.rcn.com> <3.0.6.32.19990606222124.008d6210@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 570 modem, etc. Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:12:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Is IBM really using Lucent Winmodems or the 'Mwave' as in the 770's? If so I would be suprised since the ACP modems are better... Don > For what its worth, on my 1451 i, my Luser Technology "modem" screws up > after a suspend too. It goes through all the motions of making a connect > but can't establish communications. > > Wonderful piece of technology this LT modem is... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:18:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19575 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05553; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:17:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05378; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05365; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:17:02 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.14.214]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990607031657.FLNP12644@770>; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 03:16:57 +0000 Message-ID: <375B39A0.4053@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 23:16:48 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bourdon, Bruce" CC: "'Think Pad email list'" Subject: Re: New TPad owner... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You can look on ebay for a DVD drive - they currently sell for around $200 there. I sugest a Margi card if you want to play DVD's (www.Margi.com). The card works very well indeed. Bourdon, Bruce wrote: > > Hello: > > I recently purchased a refab'd ThinkPad 770 from one of the online auction > houses. > > After reading about the unit on the various (IBM and other) sites I was > dissapointed to find that the unit I received had nothing but Windows 95 > (OSR2) installed for software! No IBM - Thinkpad related software at all! > > I have begun to poke around on the IBM website and downloaded some of the > available files. I just installed the TrackPoint drivers - it works great > now, and am currently attempting to install the Configuration and Fuel Gauge > drivers. > > The IBM site frequently bombs for me when I attempt to follow a link, I > notified their web guru. I assume the problem is not unique to me. > > I would greatly appreciate any advice you all might have to help me get this > thing configured reasonably. > > Also note that my TPad did not come with a CDROM drive, or a network/modem > card. I have ordered a PCMCIA card from egghead that will do 10-baseT and > 33K data modem for $50. But at the moment all I have to connect this unit to > any other is a shared external ZIP drive. > > Do any of you reccomend the DVD drive or its related video i/o card? The > pair will cost me almost $500. I had originally planned to purchase a CDROM > for it but when I found out what the cost I am now wondering if I should > hold off until I can afford the DVD type.... > > Thanks for your patience and any help. > Bruce. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:22:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19655 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06280; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:20:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05986; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05973; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.121 -> pilot021.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:20:21 -0400 Received: from andres (pm453-17.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.171]) by pilot021.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA38226 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:20:07 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990606231927.008e3390@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 23:19:27 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 570 modem, etc. In-Reply-To: <000f01beb093$94b4a3a0$fd276420@thinkpad> References: <4.1.19990606215555.00980400@pop.rcn.com> <3.0.6.32.19990606222124.008d6210@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: The modem I have is listed as an "LT Win Modem" in my TP 1451 i. BTW, if anyone is thinking about getting a 1451 so far this is the only thing I've disliked about this unit. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 11:12 PM 6/6/99 -0400, Donald Mak wrote: >Is IBM really using Lucent Winmodems or the 'Mwave' as in the 770's? >If so I would be suprised since the ACP modems are better... > >Don > >> For what its worth, on my 1451 i, my Luser Technology "modem" screws up >> after a suspend too. It goes through all the motions of making a connect >> but can't establish communications. >> >> Wonderful piece of technology this LT modem is... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:29:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19736 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02280; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:27:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01669; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01651; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235 -> smtp2.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:27:15 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA00473; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990606221903.00974560@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 22:27:07 -0400 To: Vincent Poy From: richard Subject: Re: 570 modem, etc. Cc: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990606215555.00980400@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:14 PM 6/6/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > yeah, I remember you mentioned it... These are known as the LT >Winmodems and only cost about $10 each even for PCI cards... They are a >problem for a lot of our ISP users and the only fix is to get the latest >modem code... Oh so you mean it just won't wake the machine from suspend? Nope. If I suspend and restart, the modem works. If I hibernate and restart, the modem won't work until the machine is rebooted. The internal modem is adequate for my purposes, although I wish IBM had built something better into the 570. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:29:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19739 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28994; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:01:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28887; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28874; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235 -> smtp2.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:01:03 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA20650; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990606215555.00980400@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 22:00:57 -0400 To: Vincent Poy From: richard Subject: Re: 570 modem, etc. Cc: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990606155048.00915f00@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:51 PM 6/6/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: [regarding 570 modem problem] >> Nonetheless, I'd like to get it to waken from hibernate. > > I guess it depends on whose chipset is on the WinModem... >updating to the latest drivers usually helps. Lucent Winmodem. As I mentioned in the beginning of the thread, I tried re-installing the latest drivers (there's only one driver set for the 570). The modem used to wake fine and I had not made any changes to my win98 config (at, least none that I remember). I had installed NT4 SP5 in a separate partition and ran the modem from there. It works from suspend. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:29:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19754 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29677; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:05:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29496; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29480; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:05:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA11383; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:05:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:05:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: richard cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows 98 Explorer Problem In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990606173444.0097ba40@pop.rcn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, richard wrote: > At 02:05 PM 6/6/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > > Hmmm, when you click on My computer and open it, do you get the > >View as webpage interface with the description of each icon on the left > > No - I've changed to conventional view, with view all file types, which > others have indicated will eliminate the warning message. Yep, conventional view does eliminate it. It's supposed to show up when using View as Web page but isn't anymore. > >side of the window, but when you click on windows or windows systems, it > >should give you a warning on the left and a link that says show all files > >before you will be able to see the files on the right side for those two > >folders. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:29:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19748 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00542; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:15:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00417; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00403; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:15:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA11425; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:14:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:14:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: richard cc: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 modem, etc. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990606215555.00980400@pop.rcn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, richard wrote: > Lucent Winmodem. As I mentioned in the beginning of the thread, I tried > re-installing the latest drivers (there's only one driver set for the 570). > The modem used to wake fine and I had not made any changes to my win98 > config (at, least none that I remember). I had installed NT4 SP5 in a > separate partition and ran the modem from there. It works from suspend. yeah, I remember you mentioned it... These are known as the LT Winmodems and only cost about $10 each even for PCI cards... They are a problem for a lot of our ISP users and the only fix is to get the latest modem code... Oh so you mean it just won't wake the machine from suspend? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:30:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19759 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01182; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:22:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01011; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00994; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.110 -> pilot010.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:22:03 -0400 Received: from andres (pm453-17.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.171]) by pilot010.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA63326 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:21:49 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990606222124.008d6210@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 22:21:24 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 570 modem, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990606215555.00980400@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: For what its worth, on my 1451 i, my Luser Technology "modem" screws up after a suspend too. It goes through all the motions of making a connect but can't establish communications. Wonderful piece of technology this LT modem is... STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 07:14 PM 6/6/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: >On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, richard wrote: > >> Lucent Winmodem. As I mentioned in the beginning of the thread, I tried >> re-installing the latest drivers (there's only one driver set for the 570). >> The modem used to wake fine and I had not made any changes to my win98 >> config (at, least none that I remember). I had installed NT4 SP5 in a >> separate partition and ran the modem from there. It works from suspend. > > yeah, I remember you mentioned it... These are known as the LT >Winmodems and only cost about $10 each even for PCI cards... They are a >problem for a lot of our ISP users and the only fix is to get the latest >modem code... Oh so you mean it just won't wake the machine from suspend? > > >Cheers, >Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:29:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19744 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26904; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:34:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26723; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26710; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:34:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA11021; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:33:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:33:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: davidb@computer.org cc: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows 98 Explorer Problem In-Reply-To: <005001beb039$bb276c20$d353b8d1@p350> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 6 Jun 1999 davidb@computer.org wrote: > This doesn't have a thing to do with the hard drive. If you don't want the > warning, turn off active desk top and deselect 'view as web page" on the > folder. If you do want the warning, do the opposite. I tried that already with no success. The problem is the same. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:30:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19763 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02936; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:32:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02733; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02537; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:31:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA11500; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:31:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:31:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: richard cc: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 modem, etc. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990606221903.00974560@pop.rcn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, richard wrote: > At 07:14 PM 6/6/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > > yeah, I remember you mentioned it... These are known as the LT > >Winmodems and only cost about $10 each even for PCI cards... They are a > >problem for a lot of our ISP users and the only fix is to get the latest > >modem code... Oh so you mean it just won't wake the machine from suspend? > > Nope. If I suspend and restart, the modem works. If I hibernate and > restart, the modem won't work until the machine is rebooted. Hmmm, this has something to do with APM if that is the case. > The internal modem is adequate for my purposes, although I wish IBM had > built something better into the 570. I thought the 770Z and the 570s used the same modems since the 570 is almost as pricey as the 770's with less inside. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:36:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19827 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28518; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:52:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28314; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28296; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:51:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA11323; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:51:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:51:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: richard cc: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 modem, etc. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990606155048.00915f00@pop.rcn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, richard wrote: Richard and everyone, > At 02:27 PM 6/6/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >i don't like winmodems.. this is the only thing i don't like about the 570.. > > I don't like them either. I would have gladly spent more for a real > built-in modem. And built-in ethernet, for that matter. > > Nonetheless, I'd like to get it to waken from hibernate. I guess it depends on whose chipset is on the WinModem... updating to the latest drivers usually helps. > >what is win98 "SE"..?? > > Second Edition. The soon to be officially released collection of bug fixes > for win98. Plus "Internet Connection Sharing," allowing you to share your > internet connection with other machines. Actually, it seems to have already been released since several places are selling it and even Dell *ahem* is giving out free upgrades. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:36:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19832 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01640; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:26:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01564; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01549; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:26:42 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-164.islandnet.com [139.142.112.164] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10qp7R-000WSRC for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:26:33 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Trouble with Modem / Networking in 701 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 16:47:12 -0700 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: Lines: 43 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: 701C, Win95a, 40 MB RAM I was slowly but fairly happily using the 701's internal modem at 14.4 bps and upgraded to an IBM 33.6 PCMCIA Data/Fax Modem (25H6420). I remember I had some agony installing it, but once that was done, it worked great. More recently, I purchased an IBM Home and Away PCMCIA Fax/Modem and Ethernet Credit Card Adaptor (for $us16, including postage), and used it to connect the 701 to an office LAN. Setup didn't take long, and it worked great. Now I'm home and want to use the 33.6 again (the Home and Away's top speed is 14.4). However, no matter what I do in Dial Up Networking, I get errors. The computer doesn't see the modem. Error 620. Then Error 630. Even after removing network protocols from the network neighbourhood I get the same error 630. By the way, the Home and Away also fails. Win95 is also installing device drivers for the 701 internal modem even though I have disabled it in BIOS. At present, only the internal modem will work (after I re-enable it in the BIOS). The PCMCIA modems are assigned COM5 by Win95, though there is no COM5 in the Device Manager. Up until I installed the Home and Away card, I guess I had been using 16-bit drivers, but then I let Win95 install the 32-bit drivers. I did some searches on Alta Vista and didn't find anything relevant. Also, at least a couple of 701 sites have disappeared. Any pointers? -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:36:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19837 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27765; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:44:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27665; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27651; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:44:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA11211; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:44:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:44:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows 98 Explorer Problem In-Reply-To: <375ABE03.FEAB05EC@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Hi Bill, > Vincent.. > > what warning..?? You know, when you have VIew as Web page enabled, you click on my computer -> C Drive and then the Windows folder, it doesn't let you go directly into Windows, it's supposed to show a warning on the left side frame and then have a show all files link which you need to click before you can get the windows folder to show. I tried turning off view as web page and no luck. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > I seem to have a problem on my 770Z 9549-8AU with Win98 that I > > can't figure out, normally when you go to My COmputer -> C Drive and click > > on C:\Windows, it will give the warning and then you do the show files > > which you have to click before it shows C:\Windows, for some reason, mines > > goes directly into C:\Windows and C:\Windows\System without the warning. > > I asked Microsoft but they said it's a IBM OEM version so they don't > > support it. Anyone know how to fix this? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:38:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19850 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25904; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:12:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25691; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grove.iup.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25678; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grove.iup.edu (144.80.128.6 -> maple.grove.iup.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:12:20 -0400 Received: from grove.iup.edu by grove.iup.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #30978) id <01JC3EAMIYHC8WWAUR@grove.iup.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:12:16 EDT Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 21:10:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark J Strawcutter Subject: Re: Excessive quoting In-reply-to: "Your message dated Sun, 06 Jun 1999 19:25:31 -0400" <375B036B.3A7912C4@neumedia.net> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01JC3EF91E2G8WWAUR@grove.iup.edu> Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: List-Unsubscribe: >I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally am tired of the excessive quo >ting in these >messages. Almost as bad as using a proportional spaced font and sending out email with lines >80 characters :-) Mark From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:38:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19853 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21607; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:28:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21464; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noc.neumedia.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21445; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noc.neumedia.net (208.192.16.2 -> noc.neumedia.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:28:30 -0400 Received: from neumedia.net (p104.elkins.neumedia.net [208.192.18.154]) by noc.neumedia.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA19061 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <375B036B.3A7912C4@neumedia.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 19:25:31 -0400 From: "James D. Meader" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Excessive quoting References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally am tired of the excessive quoting in these messages. Todays digest contained messages that included nearly 200 lines of quotes of older messages. I kid you not, I counted! One message had SIX levels of quoting, and that message appeared at least twice. Overall, I'd say the Sunday digest was five times as large as it needed to be. Please, when you reply to a message, don't quote the ENTIRE previous message, it should be possible to pull out one or two relevant lines. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:38:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19859 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23636; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:15:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23525; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23510; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.116 -> slip-32-100-39-116.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:14:50 -0400 Message-ID: <003f01beb07a$e699f260$74276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: , "Jonathan Berry" References: Subject: Re: Trouble with Modem / Networking in 701 Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:15:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: That's why you got it for $16.... The truth is that it's very hard to get them to work under Win95...if at all. Search IBM's support site for Home and Away. There is an unsupported software update that will flash the card so Win95 will recognize it. As far as I remember, even after you finally get it installed there are problems with a failure to find dial tone in some instances... Don Jonathan Berry wrote > > More recently, I purchased an IBM Home and Away PCMCIA Fax/Modem and > Ethernet Credit Card Adaptor (for $us16, including postage), > and used it to connect the 701 to an office LAN. Setup didn't > take long, and it worked great. > > Now I'm home and want to use the 33.6 again (the Home and > Away's top speed is 14.4). > However, no matter what I do in Dial Up Networking, I get > errors. The computer doesn't see the modem. Error 620. Then > Error 630. Even after removing network protocols from the > network neighbourhood I get the same error 630. By the way, > the Home and Away also fails. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:38:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19864 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23096; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:03:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22894; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22876; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:03:53 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-204.islandnet.com [139.142.112.204] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10qmtJ-000WRxC for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:03:49 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Trouble with Modem / Networking in 701 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 16:47:12 -0700 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: Lines: 43 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: 701C, Win95a, 40 MB RAM I was slowly but fairly happily using the 701's internal modem at 14.4 bps and upgraded to an IBM 33.6 PCMCIA Data/Fax Modem (25H6420). I remember I had some agony installing it, but once that was done, it worked great. More recently, I purchased an IBM Home and Away PCMCIA Fax/Modem and Ethernet Credit Card Adaptor (for $us16, including postage), and used it to connect the 701 to an office LAN. Setup didn't take long, and it worked great. Now I'm home and want to use the 33.6 again (the Home and Away's top speed is 14.4). However, no matter what I do in Dial Up Networking, I get errors. The computer doesn't see the modem. Error 620. Then Error 630. Even after removing network protocols from the network neighbourhood I get the same error 630. By the way, the Home and Away also fails. Win95 is also installing device drivers for the 701 internal modem even though I have disabled it in BIOS. At present, only the internal modem will work (after I re-enable it in the BIOS). The PCMCIA modems are assigned COM5 by Win95, though there is no COM5 in the Device Manager. Up until I installed the Home and Away card, I guess I had been using 16-bit drivers, but then I let Win95 install the 32-bit drivers. I did some searches on Alta Vista and didn't find anything relevant. Also, at least a couple of 701 sites have disappeared. Any pointers? -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:38:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19868 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24408; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:21:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24084; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24070; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:21:23 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-145.gate.net [199.227.20.208]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA448492; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:22:59 -0400 Message-ID: <375B107A.BE8C7861@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 20:21:14 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peter machule CC: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com>, thinkpad Subject: Re: Swapping HDDs References: <01beb069$876bdbc0$c6c9b4d1@peter> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: YES, the cable IS available.. (not the original IBM version, but just as good, better if you want a newer HDD) use an exacto knife to start the header plug off the header.. peter machule wrote: > Keep trying with the thumbnails . ;-} > It does come off. > Try a small jewlers type screwdriver to get it started . > > The cable is NOT available anywhere !!! > > A few people do have small third party caddies available > that come with the cable. > > Try Bill at > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > or ...ugh ;-} > Leonard > email: lwesson@lmrservices.com > Portable Computer Enhancements > WEB: http://www.portables.com > > A cheaper option might be buying the small thinkpad HD's (with caddy ) > that show up weekly on Ebay. > www.ebay.com > > ...peter... > > Subject: Swapping HDDs > > For a while I have been planning a HDD upgrade in my 755CX from the > original 810Mb > > I have acquired a new WD 540Mb unit and was going to use it as a backup > drive, but it is a bare unit. So, I took a closer look to see if it was > feasible to simply swap over the caddy from the 810Mb unit. > > On a closer inspection, the caddy is plastic and once the lugs are > carefully prised appart, it opens to reveal the drive which must be a > 17.5mm(?) form factor. The WD 540Mb must be 12.5mm as it is shallower. > However, it looks as if I need to swap the ribbon connector to?? Is this a > removable ellement though? It looks pretty firmly connected to the > originaldrive to me?? > > After getting some painful thumbnails(!) I think my plan may be unfeasible > and should look for either a plastic cadddy or, could I get away with just > annother ribbon connector at a push? Are these available?? > > Any comments appreciated. > > Cheers -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:38:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19872 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17954; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:36:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17645; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17467; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (207.172.3.234 -> smtp1.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:36:00 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA04646; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990606173444.0097ba40@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 17:35:48 -0400 To: Vincent Poy From: richard Subject: Re: Windows 98 Explorer Problem Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990606095640.00976900@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:05 PM 6/6/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > Hmmm, when you click on My computer and open it, do you get the >View as webpage interface with the description of each icon on the left No - I've changed to conventional view, with view all file types, which others have indicated will eliminate the warning message. >side of the window, but when you click on windows or windows systems, it >should give you a warning on the left and a link that says show all files >before you will be able to see the files on the right side for those two >folders. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:38:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19876 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17430; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:33:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16886; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16836; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:33:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09962; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:33:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:33:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows 98 Explorer Problem In-Reply-To: <002d01beb034$d5a1eee0$3e276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > Unselect the option View As Web Page. You will need to do it in the > individual folders as well. I did that one before, no luck... Same results. > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > I seem to have a problem on my 770Z 9549-8AU with Win98 that I > > > can't figure out, normally when you go to My COmputer -> C Drive and > click > > > on C:\Windows, it will give the warning and then you do the show files > > > which you have to click before it shows C:\Windows, for some reason, > mines > > > goes directly into C:\Windows and C:\Windows\System without the warning. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:38:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19880 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17563; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:34:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17040; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16993; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (207.172.3.234 -> smtp1.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:33:48 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA03756; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990606172753.00975980@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 17:33:40 -0400 To: Bill Morrow From: richard Subject: Re: 570 modem, etc. Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <375AE250.40574387@icanect.net> References: <4.1.19990606130239.00972560@pop.rcn.com> <4.1.19990606155048.00915f00@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:04 PM 6/6/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >it will at least blunt any pain from a case of sudden infant death (chip >type).. :) >the newest IBM drives "clink" when you shake one (prior to inserting and using >it) and make clinking noises when in operation.. >some have called the noise a 5.1gig (when these were the newest thing) makes >"gurgling"... The 4gb drive "clink"ed when shaken, but didn't clink when in operation. It made a whirring, fan-like noise, which did not change much while in operation. The 10GT gurgles when in operation. No clinks. It also makes the background whir, a bit quieter than the 4gb, but also has a high pitched overtone. For whatever that's worth. Note that the 14gb drive is listed as being approx 10 decibels noisier. The 10gb is supposed to be in the mid 30 decibel range when on and in the high 30's when operating. The 14gb is supposed to go into the 40's. As I read the Travelstar product spec pages. Anyone have any ideas on why the winmodem would stop waking from hibernation? If not, what IBM phone number should I call for support? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:38:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19884 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19735; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:13:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19584; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from reg.triumf.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19571; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from reg.triumf.ca (142.90.100.2 -> reg.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:13:51 -0400 Received: from peter ([209.180.201.198]) by erich.triumf.ca with SMTP; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 15:12:55 -0700 From: "peter machule" To: "Mark Gardiner" <100550.3170@compuserve.com>, "thinkpad" Subject: Re: Swapping HDDs Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 15:11:30 -0700 Message-ID: <01beb069$876bdbc0$c6c9b4d1@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Keep trying with the thumbnails . ;-} It does come off. Try a small jewlers type screwdriver to get it started . The cable is NOT available anywhere !!! A few people do have small third party caddies available that come with the cable. Try Bill at WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net or ...ugh ;-} Leonard email: lwesson@lmrservices.com Portable Computer Enhancements WEB: http://www.portables.com A cheaper option might be buying the small thinkpad HD's (with caddy ) that show up weekly on Ebay. www.ebay.com ...peter... Subject: Swapping HDDs For a while I have been planning a HDD upgrade in my 755CX from the original 810Mb I have acquired a new WD 540Mb unit and was going to use it as a backup drive, but it is a bare unit. So, I took a closer look to see if it was feasible to simply swap over the caddy from the 810Mb unit. On a closer inspection, the caddy is plastic and once the lugs are carefully prised appart, it opens to reveal the drive which must be a 17.5mm(?) form factor. The WD 540Mb must be 12.5mm as it is shallower. However, it looks as if I need to swap the ribbon connector to?? Is this a removable ellement though? It looks pretty firmly connected to the originaldrive to me?? After getting some painful thumbnails(!) I think my plan may be unfeasible and should look for either a plastic cadddy or, could I get away with just annother ribbon connector at a push? Are these available?? Any comments appreciated. Cheers From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:38:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19888 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16328; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:28:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16241; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16228; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:28:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09925; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:28:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:28:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Steven N. Fettig" cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Windows 98 Explorer Problem - No question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, Steven N. Fettig wrote: Hi Steve, > Vincent, > I do not presently have Win98 on my system, so I cannot check to see if > I am correct, but as I remember it, you can go to Start -> Settings -> > Folder Options and under the tab "View", you should be able to check select, > view all hidden files. If you do not have this checked (i.e. "Do not show > hidden files" or "Do not show hidden and system files") I think Win98 will > give you the warning - because those folders are set up such that they > contain many hidden and/or system files. I'm not exactly sure about this, > however... I do remember, though, that after I had selected (either under > folder properties or somewhere else) to show hidden/system files, that when > I went back it no longer warned me about seeing those files. Another > possibility is that if a check-box was offered to "Do not show this option > again" and you checked on it, it would have gone away without going through > what I just explained. Actually, I tried both of those settings with the same results. What happened originally was that I click on C:\Windows and C:\Windows\System, it worked but one time it started like just showing the warning that took up the entire window so I tried Customize this folder and removing the customization just to be sure I didn't set something by accident, and not it goes straight into that folder without showing the window on the left with the warning and show all files. Hmmm, I never checked that last box you mentioned but how do I recover if I did? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:38:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19892 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16829; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:32:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16725; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16711; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:32:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09954; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:32:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:32:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "STeve Andre'" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows 98 Explorer Problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990606113711.008cb730@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: > I don't see how this is the fault of a bad hard disk. I think you are > seeing altered behavior from what you are used to, perhaps, but not a > hardware problem. If it were the disk somehow, I think it would manifest > itself in other ways. Yep, it couldn't be the hard disk since it seems like everything else is working correctly... > I'm not sure of the specifics, but the warning message you were getting: > could it be that you wern't displaying system/hidden files? Offhand I > forget how to change that, but I know that affects the way explorer works. > The option you might want to try changing is 'file view' or something > like that. Sorry I can't be more helpful--but I'm fairly sure that you > don't have a hardware problem if this is the only thing going on. I did do the Show all files and even tried doing the Do not show system and hidden files with the same results. Microsoft wouldn't support it because they said this is a IBM OEM version. I know it's either a setting somewhere or it's just missing something in the registry. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > At 09:23 AM 6/6/99 -0400, BirgerPetterson wrote: > >Vincent Poy wrote: > >> > >> I seem to have a problem on my 770Z 9549-8AU with Win98 that I > >> can't figure out, normally when you go to My COmputer -> C Drive and click > >> on C:\Windows, it will give the warning and then you do the show files > >> which you have to click before it shows C:\Windows, for some reason, mines > >> goes directly into C:\Windows and C:\Windows\System without the warning. > >> > > > >Sounds like you have a flaky hdd. > >I had somewhat similar situations on my 7AU when I got it. > >Finaly convinced IBM that the hdd was the culprit when I told them > >that after I put in another hdd the problems went away. Finaly EZserv > >replaced the hdd and no more problems. > >But I had to send the whole machine to EZserv. > >IBM hates to replace hdd it seems. > >You have had all the indications of a flaky hdd. > > > >Birger > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:42:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19935 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13888; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:59:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13689; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13673; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:59:10 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-145.gate.net [199.227.20.208]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA329352; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:00:49 -0400 Message-ID: <375AE117.980F167F@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 16:59:03 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 2nd hdd adapter for 770 References: <199906061843.LAA14856@netcom8.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the 2nd HDD adapter for a 770 will accept a 760 or 770 type HDD.. and if you remove the plastic shell a 755 type HDD should also work.. Paul Rubin wrote: > Paul.. > prices are lower on the 770 HDD shell.. :-) > especially for old customers and MAYBE (even) list members.. :-)) > (or maybe 'cuz it's sunday and i spent my one hour for the > week tractoring and farming..) > > That's good to know--it's just disappointing to need one at all :) -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:42:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19939 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14267; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:02:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14020; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13985; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:02:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09660; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:02:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:02:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: BirgerPetterson cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows 98 Explorer Problem In-Reply-To: <375A764B.2C9D@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, BirgerPetterson wrote: > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > I seem to have a problem on my 770Z 9549-8AU with Win98 that I > > can't figure out, normally when you go to My COmputer -> C Drive and click > > on C:\Windows, it will give the warning and then you do the show files > > which you have to click before it shows C:\Windows, for some reason, mines > > goes directly into C:\Windows and C:\Windows\System without the warning. > > > > Sounds like you have a flaky hdd. > I had somewhat similar situations on my 7AU when I got it. > Finaly convinced IBM that the hdd was the culprit when I told them > that after I put in another hdd the problems went away. Finaly EZserv > replaced the hdd and no more problems. > But I had to send the whole machine to EZserv. > IBM hates to replace hdd it seems. > You have had all the indications of a flaky hdd. It's not the HDD, it was because the machine didn't shutdown properly before but I fixed it already when it was the TrackPoint IV drivers that were the culprit... I ran SpinRite from Gibson Research and the HDD is fine.. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:42:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19944 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15250; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:05:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14649; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14609; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:05:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09678; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:05:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:05:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: richard cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows 98 Explorer Problem In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990606095640.00976900@pop.rcn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, richard wrote: > At 11:45 PM 6/5/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > > I seem to have a problem on my 770Z 9549-8AU with Win98 that I > >can't figure out, normally when you go to My COmputer -> C Drive and click > >on C:\Windows, it will give the warning and then you do the show files > >which you have to click before it shows C:\Windows, for some reason, mines > >goes directly into C:\Windows and C:\Windows\System without the warning. > >I asked Microsoft but they said it's a IBM OEM version so they don't > >support it. Anyone know how to fix this? > > I go to My Computer and click on the (C:) drive icon. I get a list of > files and directories in C:\. One of the directories is Windows. When I > click on the Windows folder icon I get a directory listing. Same for > c:\windows\system. > > I never get any sort of warning. > > Am I misunderstanding your question? Hmmm, when you click on My computer and open it, do you get the View as webpage interface with the description of each icon on the left side of the window, but when you click on windows or windows systems, it should give you a warning on the left and a link that says show all files before you will be able to see the files on the right side for those two folders. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:42:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19948 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14763; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:04:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14400; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14342; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:04:28 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-145.gate.net [199.227.20.208]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA153576; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:06:01 -0400 Message-ID: <375AE250.40574387@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 17:04:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 modem, etc. References: <4.1.19990606130239.00972560@pop.rcn.com> <4.1.19990606155048.00915f00@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Richard.. richard wrote: > At 02:27 PM 6/6/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >i don't like winmodems.. this is the only thing i don't like about the 570.. > > I don't like them either. I would have gladly spent more for a real > built-in modem. And built-in ethernet, for that matter. > > Nonetheless, I'd like to get it to waken from hibernate. > > >what is win98 "SE"..?? > > Second Edition. The soon to be officially released collection of bug fixes > for win98. Plus "Internet Connection Sharing," allowing you to share your > internet connection with other machines. > oh.. :-) > >relax, its under warranty for 3 years..! :-) > > I *guess* that should be comforting. > it will at least blunt any pain from a case of sudden infant death (chip type).. > >i've had many, many drives and they can be noisier or not, depending.. > >depending on what, i'm not sure, but altitude at time of manufacture and > >current > > My experience too. I recently went through three supposedly identical > drives for my office desktop until I got one with an acceptable noise > level. Alas, that's harder for me to do here. I wonder if I could get it > replaced under warranty? Not that it's very loud, but sometimes it makes a > very annoying high pitched sound. At least it doesn't make a loud head > parking noise (or was it thermal re-calibration) like a Toshiba drive I had > a few years ago. the newest IBM drives "clink" when you shake one (prior to inserting and using it) and make clinking noises when in operation.. some have called the noise a 5.1gig (when these were the newest thing) makes "gurgling"... -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 6 23:59:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA20053 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07686; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:57:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07570; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07557; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (198.137.169.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:57:17 -0400 Received: by localhost.zydacron.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:54:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Bourdon, Bruce" To: "'Think Pad email list'" Subject: Cheap, too good to be true? Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:54:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Have any of you ever done business with Compu-D? URL: http://www.compu-d.com/1/ibm.htm They have some pretty amazing prices, but sending a company I have never heard of my Visa number feels scary. Anyone know of other, reputable, discount sites for the Thinkpad line? Bruce. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 00:40:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA20390 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09684; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:39:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09532; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09519; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (198.137.169.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:39:05 -0400 Received: by localhost.zydacron.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:36:08 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Bourdon, Bruce" To: "'Think Pad email list'" Subject: Why did IBM replace DVD drives? Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:36:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Before I buy the older drive I thought I'd ask: Why did IBM replace the TP 770 DVD drive P/N 11J8950 with P/N 05K8886? >From what I can tell, the newer drive allows some untis to use software DVD (MPEG-2) decoders. Is this likely? Any other reason? Thanks. Bruce. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 00:42:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA20399 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10070; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:42:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09989; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09976; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:42:03 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-467.gate.net [199.227.173.213]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA140920; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:43:42 -0400 Message-ID: <375B4D94.137C66C4@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 00:41:57 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bourdon, Bruce" CC: "'Think Pad email list'" Subject: Re: Cheap, too good to be true? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bruce.. 1. most of the items say "CALL" 2. the caveat: "1-Some items may only be sold to dealers only. 2-Minimum Quantity Purchase may be required for some Items. 3-If you have Items for sale and you would like to add a line item to this list click here." tends to indicate that not all of what is offered belongs to them, but to other who may or may not be reputable.. 3. ever since the DataPath Technologies" lies, i tend to be wary of "refurbished" unless offered by IBM or Ingram or Tek Data or the like.. 4. I would not worry TOO much about your visa number.. 5. For thinkpads, almost ALL sell from the same warehouse these days.. Bourdon, Bruce wrote: > Have any of you ever done business with Compu-D? URL: > http://www.compu-d.com/1/ibm.htm > > They have some pretty amazing prices, but sending a company I have never > heard of my Visa number feels scary. > > Anyone know of other, reputable, discount sites for the Thinkpad line? > > Bruce. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 00:53:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA20437 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10951; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:52:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10860; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10846; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.12 -> dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:52:20 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA28315 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:51:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx10-36.ix.netcom.com(207.94.124.100) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028297; Sun Jun 6 23:51:28 1999 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990606234704.007bf660@ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: powrlftr@ix.netcom.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 23:47:04 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Blaine Hufnagle Subject: What have I got? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I just finished putting back together a Thinkpad 360CSE that we bought at a swap meet. It had a bum display, but we gambled and won on the fact that the rest of the computer was good. We swapped in the display from my non-functional 755CS, and it was off to the races. My main questions are: 1. What exactly does the 360CSE offer me? 2. How does it differ from the 755CS? 3. What parts, other than the obvious, are swappable? 4. Which offers better performance? 5. If the 755CS offers better performance, can 360CSE parts be used to resurrect the 755CS? Thanks in advance. :-) We'll be putting a list together shortly of various thinkpad parts that we'd like to divest ourselves of, and placing it on our website. Any inquiries until then can be directed to me. At least one display is available, plus a couple of batteries, a memory card, and a couple of other things. -blaine The Zen Method of Big Rig: Grasshopper, truck will shift itself if you are one with it. - Bill Keith (Cruising the Info-Bahn in a Peterbilt reefer :-) DoD #7192 (but no bike) Powerlifting LIFE - The rest is details. http://www.powerbear.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 01:25:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA20532 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12077; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:23:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11861; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11848; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:23:13 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-467.gate.net [199.227.173.213]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA345496; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:24:38 -0400 Message-ID: <375B572D.4E042664@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 01:22:53 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Blaine Hufnagle , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: What have I got? References: <3.0.6.32.19990606234704.007bf660@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Blaine.. put your list on my open forum too.. Blaine Hufnagle wrote: > I just finished putting back together a Thinkpad 360CSE that we bought at a > swap meet. It had a bum display, but we gambled and won on the fact that > the rest of the computer was good. > > We swapped in the display from my non-functional 755CS, and it was off to > the races. > > My main questions are: > > 1. What exactly does the 360CSE offer me? very little over the 755 machine.. > 2. How does it differ from the 755CS? slower.. > 3. What parts, other than the obvious, are swappable? > few, if any, other that the obvious.. > 4. Which offers better performance? > 755 > 5. If the 755CS offers better performance, can 360CSE parts be used to > resurrect the 755CS? > floppy, HDD, ac adapter, display with a BIG maybe..keyboard, screws, PCMCIA assembly maybe.. some of the plastic parts maybe.. > Thanks in advance. :-) > > We'll be putting a list together shortly of various thinkpad parts that > we'd like to divest ourselves of, and placing it on our website. Any > inquiries until then can be directed to me. At least one display is > available, plus a couple of batteries, a memory card, and a couple of other > things. > > -blaine > The Zen Method of Big Rig: Grasshopper, truck will shift itself if you are > one with it. - Bill Keith (Cruising the Info-Bahn in a Peterbilt reefer :-) > DoD #7192 (but no bike) Powerlifting LIFE - The rest is details. > http://www.powerbear.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 01:27:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA20548 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12367; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:26:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12280; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12267; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:26:09 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-467.gate.net [199.227.173.213]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA305550; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:27:49 -0400 Message-ID: <375B57EC.D2EC1C62@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 01:26:04 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark J Strawcutter CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Excessive quoting References: <01JC3EF91E2G8WWAUR@grove.iup.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: overquoting is not so good, but its easier and more clear to answer a series of questions, after each question.. some put answers at the end, some at the begining.. of each overly long message, but i personally think its better to have the whole picture than to have only a small part of the larger question or problem.. this list is a great resource for many.. don't leave just because some messages are too long, just delete them.. :-) Mark J Strawcutter wrote: > >I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally am tired of the excessive quo > >ting in these > >messages. > > Almost as bad as using a proportional spaced font and sending out email > with lines >80 characters :-) > > Mark -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 01:28:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA20558 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12693; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:27:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12508; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12471; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (204.182.16.2 -> tdl.tdl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:27:15 -0400 Received: from chuck (tdl-dyn203.tdl.com [205.162.12.203]) by tdl.tdl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA08986 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:27:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199906070527.WAA08986@tdl.tdl.com> From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: "'Think Pad email list'" Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:26:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Cheap, too good to be true? Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <375B4D94.137C66C4@icanect.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) List-Unsubscribe: > Bourdon, Bruce wrote: > > > Have any of you ever done business with Compu-D? URL: > > http://www.compu-d.com/1/ibm.htm > > > > They have some pretty amazing prices, but sending a company I have never > > heard of my Visa number feels scary. About 3 years ago, I bought a TP 360 from them. All went well. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 02:15:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20865 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 02:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14834; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 02:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 02:13:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14641; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 02:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14624; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 02:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 02:13:43 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pC19F08B4.dip.t-online.de [193.159.8.180]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id LZC436DV; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 02:11:49 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: Modem Problems: TP 570 & 701C Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:13:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi All, I thought I may have something to offer with regards to the modem troubles with the 570 & 701... I have a 770ED and am running WinNT SP 4, so this may have nothing to do with what you are experiencing, but I'll try anyway. A week ago I downloaded the latest ACP modem drivers, V.90 upgrade, and ThinkPad Configuration Utilities for my computer (again, 770) and found something unusual. The moment I had installed the ThinkPad Configuration Utilities (i.e. supposedly the update), after going into suspend, I also saw error codes when I tried to use the modem thereafter. It was either that there was a "fatal error" with the hardware or that the modem "was disabled or could not be found." I tried absolutely everything (wasted over 4 hrs of my time) and finally found that when I uninstalled the newest TP Configuration Utilities and installed an older version I had saved on file, everything worked once again. I am assuming, therefore, that the V.90 upgrade and ACP modem drivers were not the culprit. Since TP CU does most of the handing out and configuration of Iraq's &etc., maybe the newest version is not able to handle suspending... I hope this may lead to some strategies to solve your problems... if not, sorry for the waste of space ;) Steve ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) Fax: +1 603 288 0296 ICQ: 15804759 ________________________________________________________________________ _ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 02:33:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20918 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 02:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15629; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 02:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 02:32:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15537; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 02:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15524; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 02:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 02:32:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA12440; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:32:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:32:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 570 modem, etc. In-Reply-To: <000f01beb093$94b4a3a0$fd276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > Is IBM really using Lucent Winmodems or the 'Mwave' as in the 770's? > If so I would be suprised since the ACP modems are better... The 770s use a DSP chip and is based on code from USR. USR used Texas Instruments DSPs since they started making modems in the high-end Courier line. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > For what its worth, on my 1451 i, my Luser Technology "modem" screws up > > after a suspend too. It goes through all the motions of making a connect > > but can't establish communications. > > > > Wonderful piece of technology this LT modem is... > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 03:54:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA21176 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 03:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20842; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 03:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 03:52:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20628; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 03:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20610; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 03:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 03:52:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA12948; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:52:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:52:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Mark J Strawcutter , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Excessive quoting In-Reply-To: <375B57EC.D2EC1C62@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > overquoting is not so good, but its easier and more clear to answer a series of > questions, after each question.. > some put answers at the end, some at the begining.. of each overly long message, > but i personally think its better to have the whole picture than to have only a > small part of the larger question or problem.. > > this list is a great resource for many.. > don't leave just because some messages are too long, just delete them.. :-) Actually, you're correct. For people on the list, without quotes, people won't really know what they are replying to since the digest is easier as all the messages are there. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 04:05:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA21228 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 04:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21764; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 04:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 04:03:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21649; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 04:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21635; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 04:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 04:03:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA13008; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:03:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:03:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Steven N. Fettig" cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Modem Problems: TP 570 & 701C In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Steven N. Fettig wrote: Hi Steve, I found something weird. On both of my ThinkPad's, ThinkPad configuration doesn't fully install, only 99% if you run Win in normal mode. It only installs fine in Safe mode. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Hi All, > I thought I may have something to offer with regards to the modem > troubles with the 570 & 701... I have a 770ED and am running WinNT SP 4, so > this may have nothing to do with what you are experiencing, but I'll try > anyway. A week ago I downloaded the latest ACP modem drivers, V.90 upgrade, > and ThinkPad Configuration Utilities for my computer (again, 770) and found > something unusual. The moment I had installed the ThinkPad Configuration > Utilities (i.e. supposedly the update), after going into suspend, I also saw > error codes when I tried to use the modem thereafter. It was either that > there was a "fatal error" with the hardware or that the modem "was disabled > or could not be found." I tried absolutely everything (wasted over 4 hrs of > my time) and finally found that when I uninstalled the newest TP > Configuration Utilities and installed an older version I had saved on file, > everything worked once again. I am assuming, therefore, that the V.90 > upgrade and ACP modem drivers were not the culprit. Since TP CU does most > of the handing out and configuration of Iraq's &etc., maybe the newest > version is not able to handle suspending... I hope this may lead to some > strategies to solve your problems... if not, sorry for the waste of space ;) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 08:40:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA22419 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04915; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:38:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04710; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grove.iup.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04687; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grove.iup.edu (144.80.128.6 -> maple.grove.iup.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:38:39 -0400 Received: from grove.iup.edu by grove.iup.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #30978) id <01JC426O1B748WVZZA@grove.iup.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:38:34 EDT Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 08:37:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark J Strawcutter Subject: Re: Excessive quoting In-reply-to: "Your message dated Mon, 07 Jun 1999 01:26:04 -0400" <375B57EC.D2EC1C62@icanect.net> To: Bill Morrow Cc: Mark J Strawcutter , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01JC42E4XE1K8WVZZA@grove.iup.edu> Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <01JC3EF91E2G8WWAUR@grove.iup.edu> List-Unsubscribe: Lest there be any confusion, I'm _not_ the one objecting to excessive quoting. Mark From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 11:01:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA23599 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12896; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:54:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12622; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wineasy.se (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12588; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wineasy.se (195.42.198.41 -> server1.wineasy.se) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:54:06 -0400 Received: from [195.42.193.168] by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.at1j) with ESMTP id ma675934 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:53:56 +0200 X-Sender: courage@mail.wineasy.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 01:10:45 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Wennersten Subject: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? Message-Id: <14535668000151@wineasy.se> List-Unsubscribe: Hi list, This is the last of my pre-purchase worries and I would be very grateful for advice on the matter. After having done quite a lot of research I have settled for an I-series 1418, which will set me back $1750 which is a lot for me. I'm not dependent on super prestanda but will mainly use it as a tool for wordprocessing and Internetbrowsing. I am also in need of international warranty so I can't lower cost by buying Dell or the like. I've formed the opinion that buying a budget model from IBM will give me good quality and enough prestanda to do what I want. But, neither on this list or on Usenet is the I-series discussed or referred to in comparisions. And reviews have not yet come out in the Swedish press. Searching the Internet only takes me to the IBM sites or NYT/Washington Post or the like newspapers. I don't seem to find any computer press-reviews of the I-series. So I start doubting... why is there no press/discussion about this model? Is it a bad buy? A computer dealer I talked to smiled and quipped "Oh, you're going to buy an I-series, are you?" but refused to say why he thought that was funny. Now, I easily get paranoid when I'm about to spend $1750 (and I'm not very comfortable bothering the list because of this, but..) so I start thinking that perhaps the launch of the I-series in the USA was a flop and was killed in its cradle and now IBM are dumping the lot on the Swedish market before the news hits the street? In my layman opinion (I'm not new to computers, just laptops), I don't understand why this model is not on every non-corporate buyer's lips - an IBM Thinkpad with fairly high prestanda, the usual quality keyboard and crisp TFT-screen at such a low price. ?!!? Therefore I would like to ask those members of the list who have knowledge of the I-series (or its press-coverage) to share their knowledge with me. Will I be getting IBM-quality or not? Am I better off buying an outgoing and slower 390 without modem? I'm not asking for an essay lauding the I-series, just a quick note: I.e, "Don't worry Peter, people seem to be content with their I-series" or "Peter, you should know that, contrary to the rest of the Thinkpads, the I-series is put together by a third-rate manufacturer in Hoboken, NY - that may affect quality". Sincere thanks to everyone that read this far and even more to those who volounteer to help me. Peter Wennersten From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 11:52:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA24120 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16983; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:48:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16818; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shakti.slis.indiana.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16794; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shakti.slis.indiana.edu (129.79.33.57 -> shakti.slis.indiana.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:48:40 -0400 Received: by shakti.slis.indiana.edu (Postfix, from userid 8489) id 0EEF9A902; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:48:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:48:38 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: jfieber@shakti.slis.indiana.edu To: Peter Wennersten Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? In-Reply-To: <14535668000151@wineasy.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: jfieber@shakti.slis.indiana.edu List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Peter Wennersten wrote: > Therefore I would like to ask those members of the list who have knowledge > of the I-series (or its press-coverage) to share their knowledge with me. > Will I be getting IBM-quality or not? Am I better off buying an outgoing and > slower 390 without modem? ...I thought all the 390 units had modems...anyway...A friend bought an i1451 and is quite pleased with it. The advantage of a 390 is a 3 year warranty, a slightly smaller size, and a swapable cdrom/floppy unit. The 1451 feels a bit more flimsy than the 600E I recently bought but even so, it seems to have it where it counts: an excellent keyboard layout and feel and an excellent display. The sound was pretty weak though. I have not actually experienced a 390 so can't offer comparison other than to note that the i70xx and the 390 are cut from the same cloth while the lesser i series are quite different. If you want the laptop to have a long service life yet want to keep up with the latest software, have a very close look at the fine print on the spec sheets. For example, the newest PII chips have a full speed cache which is a Good Thing for performance. Possibly more important is that some older chipsets have a practical RAM limit somewhat lower than the theoretical limit. Why? Because some will only cache the first 64 or 128 megabytes. If you ever want to run Windows 2000 you will be looking 128 minimum according to all I've heard. There are definately corners being cut to get the price down. You just have to asses if those corners matter to you. My general impression is that IBM selected the corners pretty well. -john From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 12:09:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24336 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18470; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:05:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18349; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18325; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:05:36 -0400 Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23799 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:05:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA23789 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:05:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990607120638.00c22d00@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 12:06:38 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? In-Reply-To: References: <14535668000151@wineasy.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:48 AM 6/7/99 -0500, jfieber@indiana.edu wrote: >The advantage of a 390 is a 3 year warranty > The warranty on the 390 is only 1 year. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 12:14:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24379 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19256; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:12:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18978; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18949; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.106 -> pilot006.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:12:31 -0400 Received: from andres (pm527-19.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.71]) by pilot006.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA59638 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:12:24 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990607121446.008cd4e0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 12:14:46 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? In-Reply-To: <14535668000151@wineasy.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hello Peter, I'm STeve Andre', one of the few people on the list who has an i Series machine. I'm a computer person who works on computers, hardware/software maintence, as well as development, etc. I got the 1451 i Series after finding out how much my department here at Michigan State University could splurge on me. I'd been looking for another laptop for quite some time. I had the original ThinkPad 700C back in 1992 and had lots of experience with it both good and bad. Over the years I've worked on a lot of laptops and the TP series has always been at or near the top, with Tochiba being the only other consistent competitor as far as I could tell. When the 1451 came out I started looking at it, as that was both in my budget and had the capabilities I needed/lusted after. I know you are looking at a different model but I think most of what I'm saying here will apply to your model. I am very happy with this unit, save the modem. It is a Lucent Technologies modem, which is a sad little thing in terms of performance and stability. In this one respect the TP isn't very good. Forunately, you can overcome this by getting a PCMCIA ethernet/modem card so there is a workaround for it. The unit is built very well. IBM learned the hard way back in '92 that things like hinges on a laptop are an important thing--my 700C was under warrenty from IBM and they lost a bundle on me, replacing the screen (ie, top of the laptop five times in two years). I can find no such fault in this unit. Things don't rattle or wiggle excessively and everything fit perfectly the first time. A lot of thought went into the unit--as an example, on other laptops I work on the phone jack is fairly flimsy, and can break easily. A Toshiba ultra-thin portable I recently installed has a little piece of plastic that opens off the side for an RJ11 connector. The first time I saw it I wondered how long it would be before the new owner accidently broke it. In contrast the TP's phone jack is recessed in a nice solid piece of plastic and isn't going to break. The speakers are mounted on either side of the screen, something I've found very nice as I can clearly hear stero sound this way, and my hands aren't in the way of the speakers as they are on some other units. The screen is 1024x768, which I find wonderful. I prefer this to my 17" Dell, so much sharper is this than the traditional CRT. The keyboard is good--perhaps not quite as good as my 700C was? I'm not really sure about this. This one is decent however; I've no major complaints with it. The trackpoint is very nice. So then, with all my glowing words, where has IBM cut corners? This *is* listed as a "home / business office" unit. Certainly it costs less than the other TPs do. In using this TP for two months now I've come to the conclsion that IBM is likely making less profit margin on this series which will account for at least some of the cost difference. From this list I've heard about the carbon fiber case that some of the high end units have, which this one doesn't. Probably there are some other differences too which I don't yet know of. I think its important to remember that IBM was (at least at one time) the worlds master in carving niches for its equipment, saying this equipment was for this intended purpose, that was for that use, etc. Certainly there is some of that going on here. Also consider that the screen, memory, CPU, Disk, floppy, etc are going to be the same as other ThinkPads. They can't cut corners in many ways on a laptop--if it isn't reliable they have a disaster on their hands and won't make any money. I think too, that IBM realizes that the ever decreasing price of hardware means that high end systems are that much harder to sell, be that good or bad. I think most of us reading this list are here because we do see a difference between ThinkPads and the rest of the laptop market, but market pressures aren't easily ingored. It seems to me that this, the i series is perhaps the first of a new breed of TPs. After looking (well, drooling over) at various TPs the i 1451 came out looking pretty good. Yes, the 770Z is a better unit--I would love to have that 1280x1024 display, but this little TP I have is what I consider a remarkable cross between functionality and cost. Based on my experiences with it I would not hesitate to recomend an i 1451 to anyone who needs a laptop and doesn't want to spend the $4K on a 770Z. I only wish the modem were better. I realize you are looking at another unit, but I'm making the guess that the characteristics of my 1451 will be largely correct for the i 1418 you spoke of. STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 01:10 AM 6/4/99 -0400, Peter Wennersten wrote: >Hi list, > >This is the last of my pre-purchase worries and I would be very grateful for >advice on the matter. > >After having done quite a lot of research I have settled for an I-series >1418, which will set me back $1750 which is a lot for me. I'm not dependent >on super prestanda but will mainly use it as a tool for wordprocessing and >Internetbrowsing. I am also in need of international warranty so I can't >lower cost by buying Dell or the like. I've formed the opinion that buying a >budget model from IBM will give me good quality and enough prestanda to do >what I want. > >But, neither on this list or on Usenet is the I-series discussed or referred >to in comparisions. And reviews have not yet come out in the Swedish press. >Searching the Internet only takes me to the IBM sites or NYT/Washington Post >or the like newspapers. I don't seem to find any computer press-reviews of >the I-series. > >So I start doubting... why is there no press/discussion about this model? Is >it a bad buy? A computer dealer I talked to smiled and quipped "Oh, you're >going to buy an I-series, are you?" but refused to say why he thought that >was funny. Now, I easily get paranoid when I'm about to spend $1750 (and I'm >not very comfortable bothering the list because of this, but..) so I start >thinking that perhaps the launch of the I-series in the USA was a flop and >was killed in its cradle and now IBM are dumping the lot on the Swedish >market before the news hits the street? > >In my layman opinion (I'm not new to computers, just laptops), I don't >understand why this model is not on every non-corporate buyer's lips - an >IBM Thinkpad with fairly high prestanda, the usual quality keyboard and >crisp TFT-screen at such a low price. ?!!? > >Therefore I would like to ask those members of the list who have knowledge >of the I-series (or its press-coverage) to share their knowledge with me. >Will I be getting IBM-quality or not? Am I better off buying an outgoing and >slower 390 without modem? > >I'm not asking for an essay lauding the I-series, just a quick note: I.e, >"Don't worry Peter, people seem to be content with their I-series" or >"Peter, you should know that, contrary to the rest of the Thinkpads, the >I-series is put together by a third-rate manufacturer in Hoboken, NY - that >may affect quality". > >Sincere thanks to everyone that read this far and even more to those who >volounteer to help me. > >Peter Wennersten > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 12:29:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24551 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21106; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:25:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20867; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20853; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.113 -> pilot013.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:25:48 -0400 Received: from andres (pm527-19.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.71]) by pilot013.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA22026 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:25:44 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990607122804.008d4930@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 12:28:04 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? In-Reply-To: References: <14535668000151@wineasy.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I always find something else I want to say when hitting the send button when replying. John is right about looking at the fine print. My i 1451 is a standard Pentium, not II so thats about a 9% loss compared to a PII. More serious I think is the slower speed of the cache. You can stuff 256M into the i series machines, which might be enough for the ever more corpulant versions of Windows that Microsoft spawns. The sound is loud enough to bother others in a cafe, so I can only wonder how loud the sound is on the expensive TPs! STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 10:48 AM 6/7/99 -0500, jfieber@indiana.edu wrote: >...I thought all the 390 units had modems...anyway...A friend >bought an i1451 and is quite pleased with it. The advantage of a >390 is a 3 year warranty, a slightly smaller size, and a swapable >cdrom/floppy unit. The 1451 feels a bit more flimsy than the >600E I recently bought but even so, it seems to have it where it >counts: an excellent keyboard layout and feel and an excellent >display. The sound was pretty weak though. I have not actually >experienced a 390 so can't offer comparison other than to note >that the i70xx and the 390 are cut from the same cloth while the >lesser i series are quite different. > >If you want the laptop to have a long service life yet want to >keep up with the latest software, have a very close look at the >fine print on the spec sheets. For example, the newest PII chips >have a full speed cache which is a Good Thing for performance. >Possibly more important is that some older chipsets have a >practical RAM limit somewhat lower than the theoretical limit. >Why? Because some will only cache the first 64 or 128 megabytes. >If you ever want to run Windows 2000 you will be looking 128 >minimum according to all I've heard. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 12:34:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24586 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21823; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:32:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21730; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21693; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:32:17 -0400 Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04826 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:32:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04808 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:32:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990607123313.00c28100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 12:33:13 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? In-Reply-To: <14535668000151@wineasy.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:10 AM 6/4/99 -0400, Peter Wennersten wrote: >But, neither on this list or on Usenet is the I-series discussed or referred >to in comparisions. > While there are a few I-series owners on the list, it's my understanding that the I-series is only available through the retail channels. It seems that most of the list members get theirs through the reseller channel. I've never even seen an I-series machine. There does seem to be quite a bit of ongoing discussion about the I-series in comp.sys.laptops. Tuck this away in your bookmarks. The I1418 isn't in it yet (is it a new model?), but when IBM does update to include it, you'll want to print it out and save it. ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tibook.pdf From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 13:09:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25030 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25061; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:06:42 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24848; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:06:40 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id NAA18104 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noc.neumedia.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23976; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noc.neumedia.net (208.192.16.2 -> noc.neumedia.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:57:01 -0400 Received: from neumedia.net (p49.elkins.neumedia.net [208.192.18.99]) by noc.neumedia.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA02449 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <375BF929.F330A169@neumedia.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 12:54:01 -0400 From: "James D. Meader" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Excessive quoting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow wrote: >overquoting is not so good, but its easier and more clear to answer a series of >questions, after each question.. >some put answers at the end, some at the begining.. of each overly long message, >but i personally think its better to have the whole picture than to have only a >small part of the larger question or problem.. > >this list is a great resource for many.. >don't leave just because some messages are too long, just delete them.. :- Well, how many times do you want something like the following in your inbox? Is it clear? Easy to follow? I think not. > > > Ok, i reformatted the HD and made it to 2 partitions. > > > > With the recovery cd/ floppy i still couldnt get it to boot up. it still > doing > > the infinite loop (restarts itself over and over again). > > > > However, i can start with the boot disk and get to see the contents of the > > recovery diskette. I tried to run the recovery manually with sucess(i got > to the > > select your language screen but it gives out a < incorrect dos version> > error > > over and over again. > > > > HELP !!!!!!!! > > > > A little bit less frustrated, > > > > Jon > > > > > > Donald Mak wrote: > > > > > Jon, > > > The more I think about it the more I am leaning toward what I wrote > earlier. > > > I think it has to do with the way your > > > hard drive is currently partitioned. Since the CD, DVD and floppy all > work > > > but not with the Recovery CD it is not finding the C: partition where it > > > expects it. > > > Bill may be right about initializing the system but I am a little > sceptical > > > as that has more to do with making sure that irq's are assigned and > since > > > the system is going into a loop with the recovery CD it implies that the > > > system is actually reading the CD, else it would just boot windows.. > > > > > > As for problems with the DVD. The error you are receiving "failed to > perform > > > stream creation VPM" sounds like you have the latest video drivers > > > installed. You will need to revert to the previous version for dvd to > play. > > > As for the playback, I can say that I see no difference between the > quality > > > on the 770 (with hardware decoder) vs a standalone dvd player. > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > OK, removed the extra 64 meg memory DIMM from the 770e, boot up the > thing > > > with the > > > > recovery cd and recovery diskette..... Nothing Works, the computer > jsut > > > does an infinite > > > > loop (it restart itself over and over again) > > > > > > > > I can say i tried almost everything logical and recommended here and > the > > > thing just > > > > would not boot up with the recovery cd. > > > > > > > > The 2 recovery cds are ok (i tried it on my desktop) > > > > The dvd rom and cd rom are ok when in use without the recovery cds > > > > The floopy drive is also flawless > > > > > > > > Two more options here to make/do here > > > > > > > > 1) formatting the HD ( i need serious help here ) i do not have a win > 95 > > > cd but i do > > > > have a stand alone win 98 cd available. what steps should i take ? > > > > > > > > 2) Uninstall win 98 from the computer and hope that i can run the > recovery > > > cd from the > > > > machine's win 95 > > > > > > > > The DVD problem. > > > > errors messages that i get when trying to run DVD with softdvd prog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then the system hang > > > > > > > > Even if i could not get recovery cd it would be nice to be able to > watch > > > the exorcist > > > > dvd that i bought specifically for this machine. Plus i really like to > > > know the quality > > > > of dvd playback with the hardware decorder card on the 770e > > > > > > > > Again, thank you so much for all your suggestions/help. > > > > > > > > Still Frustrated, > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > > > Jon.. > > > > > the 770E came with, if my failing memory is not THAT gone, 32megs on > the > > > system > > > > > board.. > > > > > IF you have more, then there IS an upgrade memory DIMM in at least > one > > > DIMM socket.. > > > > > > > > > > pull it and try again.. > > > > > > > > > > the no DVD CD or CD present means you need to reload the p[roper DVD > > > player, run the > > > > > region diskette and then try a movie that has the same region.. > > > > > > > > > > the DVD movie quality is great if all is installed correctly.. > > > > > > > > > > Jon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The cd rom/ dvd rom and floppy are all in the order it should be. > BOth > > > recovery > > > > > > cd and recovery floppy are not working. > > > > > > > > > > > > The memory in the machines appears to be a upgraded version (one > slot > > > 98 meg) so > > > > > > there is nothing to pull there. > > > > > > > > > > > > The hard drive partition are both still FAT 16, so there is no > > > conflict there > > > > > > with ibm dos system. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am really out of hope at this point and seems like the laptop is > on > > > the way to > > > > > > the factory this coming monday. I am really dazzled with this. > WHAT > > > COULD BE THE > > > > > > PROBLEM ???? > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, can someone help me out on the dvd ? at least i can watch > that > > > Exorcists > > > > > > dvd and the spinning head thingy on the machine. > > > > > > 1) the computer doesnt recognize the dvd cd. It can read ordinary > cd > > > and audio > > > > > > cd fine. error msg > > > > > > 2) There are no conflict in device manager > > > > > > 3) installed all the drivers both from ibm web site and the > cds/floppy > > > that > > > > > > comes with the encorder card > > > > > > > > > > > > P/S: I am really curious, how is the quality of the dvd movies on > the > > > 770e ? I > > > > > > have the hardware encorder card and dvd rom with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for everyone's help... it just me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob Bell wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dx-treme wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I called the IBM easy service line and they too are not able > to > > > run the > > > > > > > > recovery cd from the c-rom, dvd drive and the floppy drive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we tried with 2 recovery cds and the cds are not not > defective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you've confirmed that the CD/DVD drive is in the boot order > and > > > > > > > before the HD? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the recovery CD's drive image is stored as basically a zip > > > file > > > > > > > (*.imz), theoretically you could use WinZip to unzip it to the > D: > > > drive, > > > > > > > format C:, then boot to a floppy and XCOPY everything to C:. > I've > > > never > > > > > > > done this, but I think it would be workable. You don't have > much to > > > > > > > lose... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end, the tech guy (very pleasant and curteous) decided > to > > > have the > > > > > > > > machine sent to the factory on monday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Usually the turnaround time is short. Someone on the list even > > > > > > > mentioned they had a 2-day repair lately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If possible i really dont want to be without a computer for a > > > week. > > > > > > > > Anymore ideas out there that can help me resolve this pain ? > Will > > > reformat > > > > > > > > the HDD or Uninstalling Win 98 help ? DO i actually need a Win > 95 > > > cd rom > > > > > > > > if i were to unistall Win 98 ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of that is going to automatically make the recovery CD work > or > > > > > > > bootable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HOw good can this 770e at running Linux Redhat (I almost had > it > > > with MS > > > > > > > > window OS, tons of crashes just this afternoon). I am not very > > > familliar > > > > > > > > with Linux, Is 100% Linux compaitable with all PC software ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frustrated, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't give up on Windows. Your machine seems pretty goofed up > right > > > > > > > now. Wait until you have a fresh system before judging things. > > > Linux > > > > > > > is good, but you can't use Windows programs (PC software, > > > essentially), > > > > > > > nor can you access some things like Word, Excel, PowerPoint, > etc. > > > Linux > > > > > > > seems to be favored by those who do mainly: Internet stuff, > > > > > > > development, or use it as a server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage > will > > > vary, Done > > > > > on a > > > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 15:11:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA26964 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03816; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:07:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03605; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03571; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906071907.PAA03571@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (129.71.2.4 -> wvnvm.wvnet.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:07:26 -0400 Received: from dragon [129.71.229.150] by WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Mon, 07 Jun 1999 15:09:32 EDT From: "Chrys" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:09:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Direct Cable Connection Woes Reply-to: chrys@addr.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) List-Unsubscribe: Hi there aeveryone.. I have a 755cd. Everything thing seems to work fine. I thought I'd set up Direct cabvle connection to several desktops I'm aroudn at different times. WEll, the laptop has Windows 95 OSR2. The first desktop is a 486 with original windows 95, and the second desktop is a 200MHZ system with Windows 98. Between the laptop and the 486(first desktop), it worked like a charm. easy. But I can't get direct cable connection to work with the second desktop(with win98) to work at all! If I set up the laptop as guest,and the desktop as host, I get told the laptop can't find any shared folders(even though there ARE several enabled) on the host and to type the host's name. Well, I type it, and get told the laptop "can't find host". If I set up the laptop as host, the dektop tells me it's connected, then the laptop disconnects it without warning! I'm mystified here! Does anyone have any suggestions? oh yes, I am using a paralell connection for this. -Chrys From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 16:34:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA28134 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09601; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:32:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09352; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0p.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09336; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0p.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.45 -> www0p.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:32:07 -0400 Received: (qmail 13906 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 1999 20:32:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19990607203201.13905.qmail@www0p.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.45 by www0p via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Mon Jun 7 20:32:01 GMT 1999 Date: 7 Jun 99 15:32:01 CDT From: Rob Bell To: chrys@addr.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Direct Cable Connection Woes X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Chrys, Make sure that both the host (desktop) and guest (laptop) are running compatible protocols. This means they both have TCP/IP, IPX/SPX, or NetB= EUI, etc. NetBEUI is the easiest to set up. In my experience, this is the ma= in hurdle to making the two machines talk nicely. = By far, a method that is much faster and marginally easier is to hook up = the PCs on a network. This can be as simple as an ethernet card in each PC a= nd a crossover cable, or it could involve using a hub. If the PCs don't have network cards and you don't want the expense, then DCC is OK but slow. HTH, Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 17:42:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA29088 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13415; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:37:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13183; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shakti.slis.indiana.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13169; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shakti.slis.indiana.edu (129.79.33.57 -> shakti.slis.indiana.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:37:49 -0400 Received: by shakti.slis.indiana.edu (Postfix, from userid 8489) id 9E5B3A902; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:37:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:37:47 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: jfieber@shakti.slis.indiana.edu To: Jane Loyless Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990607120638.00c22d00@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: jfieber@shakti.slis.indiana.edu List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Jane Loyless wrote: > At 10:48 AM 6/7/99 -0500, jfieber@indiana.edu wrote: > > >The advantage of a 390 is a 3 year warranty > > The warranty on the 390 is only 1 year. Oops. I should have double checked. Sorry for the misinformation. -john From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 17:43:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA29103 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13887; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:41:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13632; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13583; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.198 -> slip-32-100-39-198.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:40:54 -0400 Message-ID: <001901beb130$0bcbba40$c6276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: , "Peter Wennersten" References: <14535668000151@wineasy.se> Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:52:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Peter, I have seen the I-series and they seemed pretty sturdy and an overall good value. Sure the higher priced "corporate" models have better support for NT, presentations, more video or bigger hard disks but you are not really buying an inferior system just one with less 'items'. Reading your note regarding what you intend to use the system for I think it will be more than sufficient. If you spec out competitor systems (desktops or notebooks) they are really all within the same price ranges. You really don't save by buying one brand over another, just give up some 'features' that make the price lower. If it meets your needs and the price is OK then go for it... Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Wennersten To: Sent: Friday, June 04, 1999 1:10 AM Subject: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? > Hi list, > > This is the last of my pre-purchase worries and I would be very grateful for > advice on the matter. > > After having done quite a lot of research I have settled for an I-series > 1418, which will set me back $1750 which is a lot for me. I'm not dependent > on super prestanda but will mainly use it as a tool for wordprocessing and > Internetbrowsing. I am also in need of international warranty so I can't > lower cost by buying Dell or the like. I've formed the opinion that buying a > budget model from IBM will give me good quality and enough prestanda to do > what I want. > > Peter Wennersten From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 17:55:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA29279 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14904; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:54:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14794; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14780; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:54:17 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JC4JQV6F30I1BX41@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:55:59 CST Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 16:55:59 -0600 (CST) From: Dx-treme Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19990607120638.00c22d00@pop.mindspring.com> Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I heard from newsgroup discussion that the i series and possibly the 3800 series (380&390) are manufactured by ACER a taiwannese company. That alone is enough to scare me off. How about the higher end models ? 500-700 series ? they are made in Mexico arent they?? i know my 770e is. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 17:57:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA29307 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15191; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:56:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15107; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15046; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.198 -> slip-32-100-39-198.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:55:39 -0400 Message-ID: <002501beb132$1b3cc080$c6276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" , "Steven N. Fettig" Cc: "Thinkpad List" References: Subject: Re: Modem Problems: TP 570 & 701C Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:07:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: On the 770ED I currently am using the March release of the TP Configuration Utility Software. I have noticed one 'problem'. Apparently it loads the Power Profile twice when Windows boots. Can someone else on this list check and see if there system is doing the same? This can be done by the following: Start Menu>Programs>Accessories>System Tools>System Information Then from the Tools Menu Item select System Configuration Utility and the Startup tab. There it lists all the profiles loaded by windows on boot. You may have LoadPowerProfile listed twice. I don't know if this would affect the system settings, windows should just handle that through an internal exception if they are already loaded. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent Poy > Hi Steve, > > I found something weird. On both of my ThinkPad's, ThinkPad > configuration doesn't fully install, only 99% if you run Win in normal > mode. It only installs fine in Safe mode. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 18:02:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA29385 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16173; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:00:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15830; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15722; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (169.207.2.78 -> mailgw01.execpc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:00:15 -0400 Received: from earth (earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.9.1) id RAA08691; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:00:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:00:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "Steven C. Davis" X-Sender: scdavis@earth To: Chrys cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Direct Cable Connection Woes In-Reply-To: <199906071907.PAA03571@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Verify that both machines have compatible protocols. On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Chrys wrote: > Hi there aeveryone.. I have a 755cd. Everything thing seems to work fine. I thought I'd > set up Direct cabvle connection to several desktops I'm aroudn at different times. > WEll, the laptop has Windows 95 OSR2. The first desktop is a 486 with original > windows 95, and the second desktop is a 200MHZ system with Windows 98. > Between the laptop and the 486(first desktop), it worked like a charm. easy. > But I can't get direct cable connection to work with the second desktop(with win98) to > work at all! If I set up the laptop as guest,and the desktop as host, I get told the laptop > can't find any shared folders(even though there ARE several enabled) on the host and to > type the host's name. Well, I type it, and get told the laptop "can't find host". If I set up > the laptop as host, the dektop tells me it's connected, then the laptop disconnects it > without warning! > I'm mystified here! Does anyone have any suggestions? > oh yes, I am using a paralell connection for this. > -Chrys > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 18:15:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA29523 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17304; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:13:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17199; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17183; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.198 -> slip-32-100-39-198.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:12:52 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01beb134$82bea320$c6276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Dx-treme" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:24:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I don't know if ACER manufacturers the i-series but ACER is one of the largest Notebook manufacturers in Japan. Just because the US Desktop market wasn't great doesn't make them bad. Last I heard IBM manufatured all their own notebooks except for the 360 which was made by ASE not ACER. And even then IBM purchases the various parts built to their specs from various manufacturers... Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Dx-treme Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 6:55 PM Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? > I heard from newsgroup discussion that the i series and possibly the 3800 > series (380&390) are manufactured by ACER a taiwannese company. That alone > is enough to scare me off. > > How about the higher end models ? 500-700 series ? they are made in Mexico > arent they?? i know my 770e is. > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 18:34:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA29694 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18630; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:32:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18500; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18465; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:31:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17270; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:31:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:31:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: "Steven N. Fettig" , Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Modem Problems: TP 570 & 701C In-Reply-To: <002501beb132$1b3cc080$c6276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > On the 770ED I currently am using the March release of the TP > Configuration Utility Software. I have noticed one 'problem'. > Apparently it loads the Power Profile twice when Windows boots. Can > someone else on this list check and see if there system is doing the > same? Ah, you're right about this one since I saw it when I ran msconfig. Perhaps that's another source of my resource hog. > This can be done by the following: > Start Menu>Programs>Accessories>System Tools>System Information > Then from the Tools Menu Item select System Configuration Utility and the > Startup tab. > There it lists all the profiles loaded by windows on boot. > You may have LoadPowerProfile listed twice. Yep, actually, type msconfig in the Run area of the start menu and it will open up the same program. > I don't know if this would affect the system settings, > windows should just handle that through an internal exception if they are > already loaded. No idea but it may hog up resources faster if it's loaded twice. Can you look in the about in the help menu of TP Configuration and see what version it shows? If it doesn't say 1.11, then you need to reinstall it in safe mode. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 19:01:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA29986 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20000; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:58:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19797; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from passnotes.share.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19784; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:58:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from passnotes.share.org (192.111.120.12 -> passnotes.share.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:58:48 -0400 Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 86256789.007E4641 ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:59:15 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SHARE INC To: Dx-treme cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Message-ID: <86256789.007E45B6.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:58:29 -0500 Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: A bunch of IBM's home-line Aptiva brand systems use an ACER BIOS (and a Seagate BIGFOOT drive). fwiw. I don't know the source of the "I-series made-by-ACER" info, but it doesn't necessarily mean the system was made (assembled) by ACER (or SEAGATE either). Parts is parts ;-). ACER isn't very high on my list, but that's because of my minimal support experience on them. No matter what country it's made in or where IBM gets "value" parts. As long as there aren't any substantiated horror stories, the system fits the intended market use (biz vs home, etc), and they stand by their warranty, i'd be satisfied with IBM. Buying American, is another religious topic that doesnt relate necessarily with quality (nor this forum ;-). rich I heard from newsgroup discussion that the i series and possibly the 3800 series (380&390) are manufactured by ACER a taiwannese company. That alone is enough to scare me off. How about the higher end models ? 500-700 series ? they are made in Mexico arent they?? i know my 770e is. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 7 19:24:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA00287 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21208; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:23:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21072; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21038; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:22:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA17482 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:22:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:22:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Thinkpad List Subject: Acer and IBM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, In regards to Acer and IBM, Acer is not all that bad since the Tawainese companies have went up in quality to surpass even IBM in PCs. That's why all desktops come with Motherboards and cases from Taiwan. Also, this is the financial news today regarding Acer and IBM's $US8 Billion deal. FOCUS-Acer, IBM sign $8 bln component supply deal June 7, 1999 06:13 PM By Eric Auchard NEW YORK, June 7 (Reuters) - Taiwanese computer maker Acer Group , tightened its ties to IBM IBM with a 7-year, $8 billion technology pact that marks the latest in a string of mega-supply deals for the world's largest computer maker. On Monday, officials of International Business Machines Corp. and Acer confirmed news leaks from Friday that Acer would buy $8 billion worth of IBM hard disks, computer chips, network adapters and display technology for use in Acer computers. In return, IBM agreed to buy Acer-manufactured liquid crystal flat-panel displays to incorporate in IBM's ThinkPad line of notebook computers, helping alleviate a shortage of such screens that have constrained shipments of IBM notebooks. IBM initially agreed to buy up to $1 billion of Acer displays. The accord widens an ongoing relationship under which Acer already manufactures a significant percentage of the personal computers IBM ships under its Aptiva PC and ThinkPad brands. "In the world of technology, seven years means forever," Acer group chairman Stan Shih told reporters at a news conference in Taipei. "The deal shows our commitment to have more cooperation in the future." The deal is the latest in a string of multi-year pacts IBM has inked totaling $28 billion in all to supply advanced IBM components to customers, including PC maker Dell Computer Corp. DELL , data storage maker EMC Corp. EMC and video game maker Nintendo Co. Ltd. . Later, in a conference call with U.S. reporters, James Vanderslice, senior vice president and head of IBM's Technology Group, said the $8 billion estimate represented a starting point for the two companies and could go higher over time. "We both expect this (deal) to generate more than $8 billion over the next 7 years," Vanderslice said, a comment that was echoed by Shih, who also participated in the call. Vanderslice also said that roughly two-thirds of the $8 billion represents new business beyond the previously existing supply relationships, assuming these prior deals had been projected out for another seven years. "About roughly a third of it would be the existing deal," Vanderslice said. "This enhanced relationship will serve two- thirds of the (remainder)." The new deals link the companies through technology transfers, key part and component sales and manufacturing design ties and build on the several billion dollars a year in PCs that Acer now sells to IBM. Acer officials said the accord with IBM would enable it to surpass its 1999 sales target of $3.7 billion, though it did not disclose a revised target. Analysts estimate more than 50 percent of Acer's revenues already derive from sales to IBM. The new deal boosts Acer, the No. 3 manufacturer of personal computers worldwide, which is known for supplying key components and complete computer systems, which it sells both under its own brand and the labels of other PC makers. The IBM deal also calls for Acer to gain access to IBM's system-on-a-chip technology that combines powerful processors with application specific chips for use in a range of "Internet appliances" targeted at the Asian computer market, IBM said. Shih said the value of the Acer's deal to supply computer displays for IBM ThinkPads was worth at least $1 billion over seven years. "One billion and I hope maybe more," Shih said, in response to a question. Vanderslice said he expected other deals to follow that expand on IBM supply contracts with other major computer systems companies. But he declined to comment on the status of reported talks with Hewlett-Packard Co. HWP , which Wall Street analysts believe could yield another multibillion dollar supply contract for IBM to supply computer chip and disk drive components and manufacturing technology to H-P. IBM stock surged more than $5 to trade as high as $121.69 Monday, before settling back to close at $120.62, up $4.62 on the day in active composite trading on U.S. stock markets. Also Monday, Acer jumped T$4 to T$61.50, meeting the 7 percent daily volatility limit of the Taipei exchange. IBM shares were given a boost by upbeat remarks by several financial analysts, including Gary Helmig of broker SoundView Technology Group, who said sales for May, the second month of the current quarter, showed continued strong momentum. "April was strong and May was stronger still," Helmig said, adding that these indications suggested current Wall Street earnings estimates for the computer maker's second quarter could prove conservative. ((-- Eric Auchard, New York newsdesk, 212-859-1840)) REUTERS Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 01:28:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03080 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18917; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:26:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18743; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18730; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (207.66.82.36 -> mailer.cia-g.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:26:23 -0400 Received: from raybay (gup-006-dpm1.cia-g.com [207.66.82.70]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA27785 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:26:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002001beb16e$68ee01e0$465242cf@raybay> From: "Ray Bay" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <86256789.007E45B6.00@passnotes.share.org> Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:18:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: ACER is no small, shabby company... they have been making a lot of IBM laptops and components for a long time... to IBM engineering specifications... They do a good job for IBM. But their own computers are terrible... I don't recommend buying an ACER, but I have had no trouble with the ones they made to IBM specifications... They have made a lot of the ThinkPad's. And ThinkPad's are considered the top laptop by people on this list. ACER has key management and engineering teams in the US, Japan, and Taiwan. Nothing wrong with the quality of their product, but they cut too many corners on their own products... Didn't they also buy out three major US manufacturers over the past four years? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 02:14:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA03416 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 02:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20343; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 02:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 02:13:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20197; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 02:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20184; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 02:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 02:13:42 -0400 Received: from seawesta-93.az.com (seawesta-93.az.com [204.201.18.93]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA01870 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:13:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199906080613.XAA01870@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Mon, 07 Jun 99 23:19:36 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CD-Writer List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 31 May 1999 21:46:14 +0100, Sorin Srbu wrote: >On Sun, 30 May 1999 23:41:48 +0200, Jochen G nther wrote: > >>has anyone recommendations for a SCSI CD writer >>that runs under OS/2 ( with RSJ ) and Linux ?? > >I still think the ricoh mp6200s is a good choice. Although I'm sure I'll get a lot of flak from this one, I like my Phillips 2600. I have had people say "Ooooo that one has lot of problems." But so far, I've never had a problem. But it works well with my Adaptec 2940U. I have a 3940U upgrade (upgrade meaning new card) that I haven't installed but since it's only difference is a dual channel instead of a single channel, I don't expect any real problems when I make the swap. But getting back to the topic, I mounted my 2600 in an external SCSI case and I've had no problems. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 03:09:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA03624 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23455; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:08:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23197; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22762; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:07:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA19470 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:06:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:06:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Thinkpad List Subject: 770Z Keyboard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hello everyone, I have a question that I want to ask. I remeber someone mentioned that all keyboards in the ThinkPad series should feel the same. My 385ED keyboard feels normal and has pretty good response but for some reason, the 770Z keyboard feels soft when pressed on and some of the keys, I have to press twice before it will show the character or have to hit the key really hard, is this normal? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 03:11:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA03634 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23757; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:10:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23577; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23518; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:09:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA19509; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:09:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:09:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Ray Bay cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? In-Reply-To: <002001beb16e$68ee01e0$465242cf@raybay> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Ray Bay wrote: > ACER is no small, shabby company... they have been making a lot of IBM > laptops and components for a long time... to IBM engineering > specifications... They do a good job for IBM. Yep, IBM's products seems good for notebooks but Desktops is another story. > But their own computers are terrible... I don't recommend buying an ACER, > but I have had no trouble with the ones they made to IBM specifications... > They have made a lot of the ThinkPad's. And ThinkPad's are considered the > top laptop by people on this list. I wonder if Acer is better than TI that they bought out the notebook line from. > ACER has key management and engineering teams in the US, Japan, and Taiwan. > Nothing wrong with the quality of their product, but they cut too many > corners on their own products... > > Didn't they also buy out three major US manufacturers over the past four > years? Not sure, I know Acer was going under a few years ago. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 07:29:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA04505 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08189; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:27:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08033; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08020; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.40 -> mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:27:37 -0400 Received: from 107.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.149.107]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990608112728.SOHY15544@107.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:27:28 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 11:26:39 GMT Message-ID: <375cfb2c.33056409@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:09:20 -0700 (PDT), Vincent Poy wrote: > I wonder if Acer is better than TI that they bought out the >notebook line from. Couple of points: Acer was already doing everything for TI. They designed, built, and supported the laptops that Texas Instruments sold. They wanted the name recognition that TI has in the US, so they bought out the notebook division and continued to use the Travelmate name. I don't think it's helped any. And while I'm open to hearing proof otherwise, my best information is that Acer currently makes the 1410 series for IBM only, and previously made the 310, which was not among their big successes. With the 14xx and 17xx, they do seem to have finally produced a hit together. This effort is because IBM currently ranks 3rd in laptop sales in the US (likely the world). They spent years focusing on the corporate market, and were outstripped by Toshiba and Compaq when the consumer market for laptops burgeoned. They've got the name recognition, but their pricing has always been scraping the stratosphere, and it's taken years to convince them that not many people would rather own a Thinkpad 770 than a home or car :-) epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 10:16:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA05595 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18537; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:12:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18284; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18137; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:11:40 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-413.gate.net [199.227.131.222]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA35732; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:12:39 -0400 Message-ID: <375D246C.7B1C446F@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 10:10:52 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: 770Z Keyboard References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince... Vincent Poy wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have a question that I want to ask. I remeber someone mentioned > that all keyboards in the ThinkPad series should feel the same. My 385ED > keyboard feels normal and has pretty good response but for some reason, > the 770Z keyboard feels soft when pressed on and some of the keys, I have > to press twice before it will show the character or have to hit the key > really hard, is this normal? > NO, this is not normal..the 770 keyboard is exceptional and to my knowledge has been trouble free, unlike the 760 series which wore out very fast among other problems... > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 10:50:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA05857 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20670; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:49:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20509; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from l3mail2.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20489; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from l3mail2.netzero.net (209.0.233.37 -> mail2.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:49:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 9658 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 1999 14:48:59 -0000 Received: from pppa9-tucson1-5r79.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.221.55) by mail2.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 8 Jun 1999 14:48:59 -0000 Message-ID: <375D2D5B.9A2C01DA@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 07:48:59 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: Vincent Poy , Thinkpad List Subject: Re: 770Z Keyboard "soft keys" problem References: <375D246C.7B1C446F@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow wrote: > > Vince... > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > I have a question that I want to ask. I remeber someone mentioned > > that all keyboards in the ThinkPad series should feel the same. My 385ED > > keyboard feels normal and has pretty good response but for some reason, > > the 770Z keyboard feels soft when pressed on and some of the keys, I have > > to press twice before it will show the character or have to hit the key > > really hard, is this normal? 1. I have the same problem in my TP770 keyboard. 2. I assumed it is due to ambient particles entering into the keys mechanism. 3. I tested this assumption by "blasting them" using a "Curtis Blaster" (made by Curtis) and blasting between the keys a clean carbon dioxide at high pressure/velocity stream produced by such a device. 4. It has solved the "soft key" problem each time I encountered it. 5. I don't own stock or am employed by Curtis. But I now "invest" some $$$ in Cartridge Refills and do a preventive blasting each few weeks along all keys. 6. Disclaimer: be careful! DO NOT point the device to yourself or others, wear safety glasses, seat belt, and any other safety device recommended. 7. Something else: it seems that when the keyboard temperature is elevated (e.g., dut to ambient temperature high plus continuous operation of the machine) the keys become "softer" until the keyboard cools down. NOTE: Reduced quoting and supression of salutations and signatures is not to be considered "personal" but done to keep clutter away from the TP list. JC ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 11:07:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA06061 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22377; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:05:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22144; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22117; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:04:55 -0400 Received: from wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (fsict-tc8-37.fn.net) by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) with ESMTP id <01JC5JQGN768I1BTUW@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:06:29 CST Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 09:57:42 -0500 From: Jon Subject: Who made IBm high end model ? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <375D2F66.56DA12F4@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,zh,zh-TW,af References: List-Unsubscribe: What about the higher end IBM model ? from the 380 series to 770 series now. Who made them ? Seems like it is made in Mexico. Is it IBM factory or other OEM manufacturer ? I had so many friends that are having troubles with ACER products,both laptop & desktop. Personally i would stay away as far as possible from this company offerings. Waiting for my 770e back Jon From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 11:08:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA06079 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22826; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:06:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22511; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22481; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:06:43 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-413.gate.net [199.227.131.222]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA272456; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:08:12 -0400 Message-ID: <375D3170.2AA9836F@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 11:06:24 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dx-treme CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: ASSEMBLED in Mexico, Japan, Scotland (i think) and, at one time, in the USA.. all top end thinkpads are DESIGNED at Yamato in Japan.. the first runs are have always come from Japan.. i have a running argument with a friend within IBM.. he says the Mexican machines are better since IBM can afford more engineers on the line there, than in Japan, where wages are higher.. the Taiwanese mfg. machines were always the low cost machines made to compete with toshiba, TI, et al., In may experience, most low cost Taiwanese machines are cheap, low quality design work, that work for a while, then deteriorate and die.. they have in the past used socketed pentiums and so forth.. they ARE cheap and they serve their purpose, which is to make $$ for the mfg. and owners.. you can order most anything from Taiwan, any spec up to their top models, which sound great, but are or were still lacking in the engineering elegance of IBM and Toshiba (when Toshiba was uhh.. well..)... Acer is only as cheap as they want to be.. never underestimate the business smarts of Acer and Mitac and all those other Taiwanese people.. little guys with garage shops.. they are tough competitors..! the "i" series is a good machine for the purpose and at the price.. so is the 380 series.. competition is driving down the prices of the top thinkpads, plus the lower cost of production of these displays... for instance, i have two 770Z-8AU's on hand at a very low price, which tends to indicate both competition, lower cost to produce and support, and a new model hiding in the wings.. (my guess is a summer announcement, and it is a GUESS).. faster and i have been told, a 15 inch display! i think these notebooks, like the motorola startac "Vader" phone are fantastic in the design elegance.. Dx-treme wrote: > I heard from newsgroup discussion that the i series and possibly the 3800 > series (380&390) are manufactured by ACER a taiwannese company. That alone > is enough to scare me off. > > How about the higher end models ? 500-700 series ? they are made in Mexico > arent they?? i know my 770e is. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 11:27:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA06209 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25395; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:21:53 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24381; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:21:50 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id LAA08048 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from l3mail3.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21723; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from l3mail3.netzero.net (209.0.233.38 -> mail3.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:31:14 -0400 Received: (qmail 12726 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 1999 23:31:10 -0000 Received: from pppa43-tucson21-1r693.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.205.17) by mail3.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 7 Jun 1999 23:31:10 -0000 Message-ID: <375C5645.389EE21A@netzero.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 16:31:17 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Acer and IBM (was: is i-series inferior?) 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Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 11:27:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA06204 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25394; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:21:30 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24298; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:21:28 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id LAA08028 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12528; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.198 -> slip-32-100-39-198.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:27:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01beb12e$33cdf460$c6276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Rob Bell" , , References: <19990607203201.13905.qmail@www0p.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: Direct Cable Connection Woes Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:39:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I once had the same problem between Win95 and Win98. The following is from Windows Help and it solved my problem. The two systems you are directly connecting together must have a common protocol to talk to one another. By default Window 95 installs the IPX and Netbeui protocols, while Windows 98 installs the TCP/IP protocol. Install the IPX protocol the computer that is running Windows 98 to enable the two machines to communicate. To install the IPX protocol on a computer running Windows 98 >From My Computer double-click on the Control Panel folder. Double-click on Network. Click Add, and then select Protocol. Click Add. >From the manufacturer's list, select Microsoft. >From the list of protocols, select IPX/SPX compatible Protocol, and then click Ok. Click Ok to exit the Network control panel. You must now restart your machine to save these changes. Click Ok to restart your computer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Bell To: ; Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 4:32 PM Subject: Re: Direct Cable Connection Woes From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 11:28:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA06229 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25538; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:22:04 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24426; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:22:02 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id LAA08067 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21289; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 02:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 02:43:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA19317; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:43:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:43:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: LightSide cc: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: CD-Writer In-Reply-To: <199906080613.XAA01870@www.az.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, LightSide wrote: > On Mon, 31 May 1999 21:46:14 +0100, Sorin Srbu wrote: > > >On Sun, 30 May 1999 23:41:48 +0200, Jochen G nther wrote: > > > >>has anyone recommendations for a SCSI CD writer > >>that runs under OS/2 ( with RSJ ) and Linux ?? > > > >I still think the ricoh mp6200s is a good choice. > > Although I'm sure I'll get a lot of flak from this one, I like my > Phillips 2600. I have had people say "Ooooo that one has lot of > problems." But so far, I've never had a problem. But it works well > with my Adaptec 2940U. I have a 3940U upgrade (upgrade meaning new > card) that I haven't installed but since it's only difference is a > dual channel instead of a single channel, I don't expect any real > problems when I make the swap. But getting back to the topic, I > mounted my 2600 in an external SCSI case and I've had no problems. The Philips OmniWriter 2600 is the same drive as the Ricoh 6200S that's OEMed from Ricoh. As long as you use v1.5 or newer of the ROM on the Philips, everything will be fine. Philips no longer makes their own drives. HP SCSI CD-R's were OEM Philips. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 11:45:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA06382 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27096; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:42:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26934; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26903; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:42:04 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-413.gate.net [199.227.131.222]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA182982; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:42:52 -0400 Message-ID: <375D3990.56C29CE9@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 11:41:04 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: LightSide , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: CD-Writer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've been using h/p's on my tower machines for years.. and recently got a standalone unit for making backups which is also a parallel port CD-R... Vincent Poy wrote: > On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, LightSide wrote: > > > On Mon, 31 May 1999 21:46:14 +0100, Sorin Srbu wrote: > > > > >On Sun, 30 May 1999 23:41:48 +0200, Jochen G nther wrote: > > > > > >>has anyone recommendations for a SCSI CD writer > > >>that runs under OS/2 ( with RSJ ) and Linux ?? > > > > > >I still think the ricoh mp6200s is a good choice. > > > > Although I'm sure I'll get a lot of flak from this one, I like my > > Phillips 2600. I have had people say "Ooooo that one has lot of > > problems." But so far, I've never had a problem. But it works well > > with my Adaptec 2940U. I have a 3940U upgrade (upgrade meaning new > > card) that I haven't installed but since it's only difference is a > > dual channel instead of a single channel, I don't expect any real > > problems when I make the swap. But getting back to the topic, I > > mounted my 2600 in an external SCSI case and I've had no problems. > > The Philips OmniWriter 2600 is the same drive as the Ricoh 6200S > that's OEMed from Ricoh. As long as you use v1.5 or newer of the ROM on > the Philips, everything will be fine. Philips no longer makes their own > drives. HP SCSI CD-R's were OEM Philips. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 12:39:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06957 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01679; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:38:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01547; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01474; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.7 -> dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:36:59 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA16863 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:36:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx1-37.ix.netcom.com(207.94.120.101) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma016740; Tue Jun 8 11:35:55 1999 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990608113811.007bfb40@ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: powrlftr@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 11:38:11 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Blaine Hufnagle Subject: One more thing... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: One other question on my TP360CSE: I can't get it to correctly recognize the Home and Away Modem/Ethernet adapter in either PC-Card slot. On my TP350, it recognized the card and installed the correct drivers, and had no problems except the already recognized (and since fixed) modem saver problem. (Running OSR-1 Win95.) But the 360 can't find the correct drivers on it's own, and when I finally managed to find the drivers by hand (a 3-hour ordeal) it installed the drivers, but installed them on COM-5 and it won't access at all. It DOES find a "Standard PCMCIA Modem" on COM-1 and uses the in-hosue Win95 drivers, but I find it frustrating that it won't use the correct drivers. I'm running OSR-2 Win95, and some posts on Bill Morrow's web page suggested that OSR-2 has some PC-card slot problems, but the posts weren't specific to the 360 series. Any clues? (Also, I posted a parts/price list on BM's Thinkpad Discussion Forum.) -blaine The Zen Method of Big Rig: Grasshopper, truck will shift itself if you are one with it. - Bill Keith (Cruising the Info-Bahn in a Peterbilt reefer :-) DoD #7192 (but no bike) Powerlifting LIFE - The rest is details. http://www.powerbear.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 16:05:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA08935 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15007; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:00:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14591; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14508; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:00:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA22838; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:00:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:00:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu cc: Bill Morrow , Thinkpad List Subject: Re: 770Z Keyboard "soft keys" problem In-Reply-To: <375D2D5B.9A2C01DA@netzero.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Vince... > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > I have a question that I want to ask. I remeber someone mentioned > > > that all keyboards in the ThinkPad series should feel the same. My 385ED > > > keyboard feels normal and has pretty good response but for some reason, > > > the 770Z keyboard feels soft when pressed on and some of the keys, I have > > > to press twice before it will show the character or have to hit the key > > > really hard, is this normal? > > 1. I have the same problem in my TP770 keyboard. > > 2. I assumed it is due to ambient particles entering into the > keys mechanism. > > 3. I tested this assumption by "blasting them" using a "Curtis > Blaster" (made by Curtis) and blasting between the keys a > clean carbon dioxide at high pressure/velocity stream > produced by such a device. > > 4. It has solved the "soft key" problem each time I encountered > it. > > 5. I don't own stock or am employed by Curtis. But I now "invest" > some $$$ in Cartridge Refills and do a preventive blasting > each few weeks along all keys. > > 6. Disclaimer: be careful! DO NOT point the device to yourself > or others, wear safety glasses, seat belt, and any other > safety device recommended. > > 7. Something else: it seems that when the keyboard temperature > is elevated (e.g., dut to ambient temperature high plus > continuous operation of the machine) the keys become "softer" > until the keyboard cools down. Not sure if that will help since it's been this way out of the box and I only had the machine for no more than 3 weeks. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 16:05:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA08944 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14967; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:57:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14281; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14240; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:56:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA22798; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:56:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:56:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Emanuel Brown cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? In-Reply-To: <375cfb2c.33056409@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Emanuel Brown wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:09:20 -0700 (PDT), Vincent Poy > wrote: > > I wonder if Acer is better than TI that they bought out the > >notebook line from. > > Couple of points: Acer was already doing everything for TI. They > designed, built, and supported the laptops that Texas Instruments sold. > They wanted the name recognition that TI has in the US, so they bought out > the notebook division and continued to use the Travelmate name. I don't > think it's helped any. I always thought TI made their own machines and designed it, atleast back in the early 1990's on the TravelMate line. Then Acer just bought the company. Didn't Acer go bankruptcy once a few years ago? > And while I'm open to hearing proof otherwise, my best information is > that Acer currently makes the 1410 series for IBM only, and previously made > the 310, which was not among their big successes. With the 14xx and 17xx, > they do seem to have finally produced a hit together. Hmmm, it seems according to PC Magazine or was it PC World's article, Acer made every machine besides the 390 while the 390 was made by IBM. > This effort is because IBM currently ranks 3rd in laptop sales in the US > (likely the world). They spent years focusing on the corporate market, and > were outstripped by Toshiba and Compaq when the consumer market for laptops > burgeoned. They've got the name recognition, but their pricing has always > been scraping the stratosphere, and it's taken years to convince them that > not many people would rather own a Thinkpad 770 than a home or car :-) Wow, only 3rd? I always thought IBM and Toshiba were #1! =) And Compaq was the one with the bad reputation. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 16:05:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA08952 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15005; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:59:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14463; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14423; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:59:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA22816; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:59:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:59:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: 770Z Keyboard In-Reply-To: <375D246C.7B1C446F@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Hi Bill, > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I have a question that I want to ask. I remeber someone mentioned > > that all keyboards in the ThinkPad series should feel the same. My 385ED > > keyboard feels normal and has pretty good response but for some reason, > > the 770Z keyboard feels soft when pressed on and some of the keys, I have > > to press twice before it will show the character or have to hit the key > > really hard, is this normal? > > NO, this is not normal..the 770 keyboard is exceptional and to my > knowledge has been trouble free, unlike the 760 series which wore out > very fast among other problems... My keyboard feels weird since 5/13/99 when I first got it... That's why you will notice that some of my replies are fast because I guess I got mad at the keyboard... Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 16:11:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09039 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16077; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:07:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15828; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15745; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:07:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA22869; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:07:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:07:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Dx-treme , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? In-Reply-To: <375D3170.2AA9836F@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > ASSEMBLED in Mexico, Japan, Scotland (i think) and, at one time, in the USA.. > all top end thinkpads are DESIGNED at Yamato in Japan.. > the first runs are have always come from Japan.. > i have a running argument with a friend within IBM.. > he says the Mexican machines are better since IBM can afford more engineers on > the line there, than in Japan, where wages are higher.. This can be true since it's where they engineer and test the thing that counts or even design it. Building it is good regardless of where it comes from. > the Taiwanese mfg. machines were always the low cost machines made to compete > with toshiba, TI, et al., Yep, it just depends on the design and engineering. > In may experience, most low cost Taiwanese machines are cheap, low quality > design work, that work for a while, then deteriorate and die.. > they have in the past used socketed pentiums and so forth.. > they ARE cheap and they serve their purpose, which is to make $$ for the mfg. > and owners.. Hmm, here is a question, wasn't AST considered high-end? =) And also, Taiwanese parts aren't all that bad. It seems they've improved since the late 80's. Right now, the best motherboards are all made in Taiwan. Intel is made in Ireland but there is no way they are as good as ASUS, ABit, SuperMicro, Tyan, etc. > you can order most anything from Taiwan, any spec up to their top models, > which sound great, but are or were still lacking in the engineering elegance > of IBM and Toshiba (when Toshiba was uhh.. well..)... > Acer is only as cheap as they want to be.. never underestimate the business > smarts of Acer and Mitac and all those other Taiwanese people.. > little guys with garage shops.. they are tough competitors..! Hmmm, what about companies like Compal or was it Copal that designs the Dell and Quantex machines? > the "i" series is a good machine for the purpose and at the price.. > so is the 380 series.. Yep, I guess so. > competition is driving down the prices of the top thinkpads, plus the lower > cost of production of these displays... The price is still considered high though since the 770Z is $1000 higher than all the stuff from Dell and Micron. But prices have fallen. I remember when I bought my 385ED a year ago, it was still almost $2000 while the 770's were like expensive, atleast $6000. > for instance, i have two 770Z-8AU's on hand at a very low price, which tends > to indicate both competition, lower cost to produce and support, and a new > model hiding in the wings.. (my guess is a summer announcement, and it is a > GUESS).. faster and i have been told, a 15 inch display! That makes me wondered if I should've just waited.. hehe > i think these notebooks, like the motorola startac "Vader" phone are fantastic > in the design elegance.. Yeah, but I've had every model of the StarTAC and the Vaders and I can tell you one thing, Motorola quality sucks. there is always something wrong with the phone in each model that is widely known. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 16:16:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09078 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16950; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:13:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16715; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16658; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:13:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA22909; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:12:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:12:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: LightSide , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: CD-Writer In-Reply-To: <375D3990.56C29CE9@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > I've been using h/p's on my tower machines for years.. > and recently got a standalone unit for making backups which is also a parallel > port CD-R... I wonder who makes the current HP's since I don't think it's from Philips any longer. Ofcourse, Philips no longer has SCSI drives either. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 16:16:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09104 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17271; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:14:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16963; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16887; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.120 -> pilot020.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:14:25 -0400 Received: from andres (pm530-41.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.243]) by pilot020.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA42324 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:14:19 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990608161641.008e2240@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 16:16:41 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? In-Reply-To: References: <375D3170.2AA9836F@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Let us all give hopes that IBM does not follow in Motorola's footsteps. There was a time when Motorola RF gear (ie, radios--especially their hand-held units) were simply the best. Today's RF products are a mere shadow of the quality of HT-220's and so on. I agree, Motorola's quality does reek. May IBM be different. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 01:07 PM 6/8/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: ... > Yeah, but I've had every model of the StarTAC and the Vaders and I >can tell you one thing, Motorola quality sucks. there is always something >wrong with the phone in each model that is widely known. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 16:34:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09347 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19145; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:32:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19002; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18953; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:32:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA22984; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:32:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:32:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "STeve Andre'" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990608161641.008e2240@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: > Let us all give hopes that IBM does not follow in Motorola's footsteps. > There was a time when Motorola RF gear (ie, radios--especially their > hand-held units) were simply the best. Today's RF products are a mere > shadow of the quality of HT-220's and so on. I agree, Motorola's quality > does reek. May IBM be different. I think even IBM quality went down in general. Not including the ThinkPad's which are goodn quality products IMHO. Their PC's were the best up until 1989 or so. Their machines used to be able to run any software because of the IBM Bios but then later, all the clones were more compatible with software than IBM. I think their mistake was the PS/2 line and the Micro-Channel Architecture BUS which almost killed them. Now, it seems any machine you buy that is from a local vendor or clone is better than the name brand stuff in stores from Compaq, HP and IBM. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 16:39:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09415 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19856; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:36:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19541; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shakti.slis.indiana.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19527; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shakti.slis.indiana.edu (129.79.33.57 -> shakti.slis.indiana.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:36:20 -0400 Received: by shakti.slis.indiana.edu (Postfix, from userid 8489) id CB65FA902; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:36:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:36:16 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: jfieber@shakti.slis.indiana.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IrDA speeds with NT Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: jfieber@shakti.slis.indiana.edu List-Unsubscribe: This is a followup to an earlier question about slow printing via infrared between a 600E and an HP340CBi. I've determined that the data is dribbling along to the printer at a fairly consistent rate suspiciously close to 2400 baud. Does anyone out there using the IrDA port with Windows NT? If so, have you encountered any speed oddities like this? Both the printer and the computer are *supposed* to do 115.2Kbps. -john From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 17:10:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA09749 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22442; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:08:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22190; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22149; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (131.130.1.27 -> mailbox.univie.ac.at) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:08:05 -0400 Received: from ai.univie.ac.at (unet3-163.univie.ac.at [131.130.232.163]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA54442; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:07:57 +0200 Message-ID: <375D8631.C26CE3F8@ai.univie.ac.at> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 23:08:02 +0200 From: Johannes Fuernkranz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600 & SelectaBase: Floppy problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I recently got a SelectaBase for my TP600. I have the following problem: When I plug in the floppy in the back of the SelectaBase, Windows can't find it. If I click on A: the yellow light goes on, I hear the disk moving, but Windows Explorer displays some error message. If I plug in the floppy directly on the ThinkPad, everything is fine. Am I doing something wrong? BTW: If I plug in my external speakers at the back of the SelectaBase, the ThinkPad speakers continue to work. Is this normal? Can I turn that off? (I know I can do it by plugging in the speakers on the headphone outlet directly at the TP). Thanks, Juffi -- Johannes Fuernkranz Austrian Research Inst. f. Artificial Intelligence Tel:+43-1-5336112-19 Schottengasse 3, A-1010 Wien Fax:+43-1-5336112-77 E-mail: juffi@ai.univie.ac.at WWW: http://www.ai.univie.ac.at/~juffi --------------- "Life is too short for Chess." -- Byron ---------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 17:24:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA09899 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23342; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:22:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23238; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23208; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (207.69.200.30 -> smtp0.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:22:20 -0400 Received: from gw (pool-209-138-38-157.irvn.grid.net [209.138.38.157]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA30805 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "James Lai" To: Subject: TP600 screen replacement Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:27:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000001beb1f5$c7ad9ba0$9d268ad1@gw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Anyone out there know where I can get a new screen for a TP600 13" HPA to replace my cracked one. Thanks From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 17:36:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10039 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24445; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:34:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24316; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24302; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (206.156.118.18 -> ns1.brightware.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:34:17 -0400 Received: from MACGREGOR (macgregor.brightware.com [206.156.118.251]) by ns1.brightware.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA23897; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005901beb1f6$b1b4a630$fb769cce@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , References: <000001beb1f5$c7ad9ba0$9d268ad1@gw> Subject: Re: TP600 screen replacement Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:34:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Little outfit called IBM. Your machine is still under warranty. If it was your fault, they may ask you to pay. Probably the best idea in the end. David ----- Original Message ----- From: James Lai To: Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 2:27 PM Subject: TP600 screen replacement > Anyone out there know where I can get a new screen for a TP600 13" HPA to > replace my cracked one. > > Thanks > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 17:37:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10080 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24857; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:36:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24600; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bigun.c-gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24587; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bigun.c-gate.net (207.120.210.2 -> bigun.c-gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:35:56 -0400 Received: from DUAL400CELERON (pm1wayne1-38.c-gate.net [198.79.69.171]) by bigun.c-gate.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA16570 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:32:09 -0500 Message-ID: <006201beb1f6$29bf59f0$ab454fc6@DUAL400CELERON> From: "Eric Giles" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" References: Subject: Re: CD-Writer Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:30:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: The current HP CD writers (8100, 8200) are made by Sony from what I have heard. The comparable Sony model is the CRX-100E/CH. I have used the Sony model (internal IDE) and it works well. I have a HP 7200i and am currently on the second unit. The first one failed after making 10 CD's. For most of my burning I use a Matsushita/Panasonic 7502B-this is an excellent low cost SCSI 4X CD-R. I have yet to make a coaster with it. Eric Giles > I wonder who makes the current HP's since I don't think it's from > Philips any longer. Ofcourse, Philips no longer has SCSI drives either. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 17:40:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10120 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25317; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:38:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25079; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25066; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (128.9.128.128 -> tnt.isi.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:38:36 -0400 Received: from ISI.EDU (kiribati.isi.edu [128.9.64.129]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24793; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <375D8D54.247D3F44@ISI.EDU> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 14:38:28 -0700 From: Steven Augart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,it,es-CO,es-AR,es-MX,es,fr,de,el MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? References: <14535668000151@wineasy.se> <3.0.6.32.19990607122804.008d4930@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: STeve Andre' wrote: > > The sound is loud enough to bother others in a cafe, so I can only > wonder how loud the sound is on the expensive TPs! I carry a little cheap earphone in my Thinkpad carrying case, just for this purpose. --Steve A From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 17:52:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10293 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26638; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:50:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26489; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26476; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (128.9.128.128 -> tnt.isi.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:50:15 -0400 Received: from ISI.EDU (kiribati.isi.edu [128.9.64.129]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA25983; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <375D9012.EFFFA812@ISI.EDU> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 14:50:10 -0700 From: Steven Augart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,it,es-CO,es-AR,es-MX,es,fr,de,el MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Giles CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: CD-Writer References: <006201beb1f6$29bf59f0$ab454fc6@DUAL400CELERON> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Does anybody think IBM will ever release a CD RW UltraSlimBay drive for the Thinkpad 600 series? --Steve From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 18:57:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA10927 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29953; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:54:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29765; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29732; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:53:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA23545; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:53:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:53:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Steven Augart cc: Eric Giles , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: CD-Writer In-Reply-To: <375D9012.EFFFA812@ISI.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Steven Augart wrote: > Does anybody think IBM will ever release a CD RW UltraSlimBay drive > for the Thinkpad 600 series? I wished that the 770 had the UltraSlimBay DVD and Floppy drives so that both can be in the slot at the same time. The 385ED was more convenient for the matter that I can use both at the same time without hooking it up externally. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 19:13:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11082 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01001; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:12:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00922; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00864; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:12:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA23622; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:12:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:12:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: 770Z Keyboard "soft keys" problem In-Reply-To: <375D803A.849CAC20@netzero.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > You can't tell without giving it a try. As Erasmus Darwin > said: experiment! Hmmm, I tried it and the same thing. > > since it's been this way out of the box and > > So was mine. First key problem appeared within 2 hrs usage. Wow... Were you using the machine heavily within 2 hours though? Mines seems to be with all the keys. > > I only had the machine for no more than 3 weeks. > > My average usage bas been one CO2 cartridge per month during the year > I had the machine. Half of the time as preventive cleaning and the > other half to address a particular key problem. Wow, that must be getting expensive on the wallet to have one CO2 catridge per month... Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 19:29:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11265 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02090; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:27:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01958; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01902; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:26:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA23666; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:26:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:26:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Eric Giles cc: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: CD-Writer In-Reply-To: <006201beb1f6$29bf59f0$ab454fc6@DUAL400CELERON> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Eric Giles wrote: > The current HP CD writers (8100, 8200) are made by Sony from what I have > heard. The comparable Sony model is the CRX-100E/CH. I have used the Sony > model (internal IDE) and it works well. I have a HP 7200i and am currently > on the second unit. The first one failed after making 10 CD's. For most of > my burning I use a Matsushita/Panasonic 7502B-this is an excellent low cost > SCSI 4X CD-R. I have yet to make a coaster with it. Interesting... The SCSI HP's were all the same as Philips and they all had some problem with the spring or something. Are the IDE burners as good as the SCSI sibblings though? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 19:30:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11284 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02459; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:28:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02198; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noc.neumedia.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02177; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noc.neumedia.net (208.192.16.2 -> noc.neumedia.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:28:26 -0400 Received: from neumedia.net (p29.elkins.neumedia.net [208.192.18.79]) by noc.neumedia.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA00197 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <375DA672.255FDED6@neumedia.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 19:25:38 -0400 From: "James D. Meader" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I was recently given an old government-surplus 755CD at work that I'm trying to resurrect (anyone have any of those funky video input cables or the Dock 2 IDE cable they'd be willing to part with at a reasonable price?) and was impressed enough with the quality of a somewhat obsolete TP that I went shopping for one of my own. I selected an I1451 based mainly on price and my desire for a 1024x768 TFT display. I was willing to sacrifice a Pentium II in light of the relatively generous standard HD and 64Mb of memory. The I1451 does not have quite the solid feel of the 755CD, but does seem the equal of contemporary machines around the office. Overall I'm quite satisfied with it.... if I had to name one shortcoming, I'd have to say that I was a bit disappointed that it will take a bit of work to upgrade the hard drive should I ever desire to do so, at least more than unlatching a removable and snapping in another. Dave M. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 19:48:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11486 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03654; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:47:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03481; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toad.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03464; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toad.com (140.174.2.1 -> toad.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:47:11 -0400 Received: from kgarson.sf.viant.com ([208.223.137.165]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18800 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990608154747.00d77f10@mail.ny.viant.com> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 16:43:27 -0700 To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" From: Ken Subject: Trackpoint IV keyboard: Very bad first impression In-Reply-To: <001c01be932a$b36fa320$b2f7f7ce@ssh.servicemetrics.com> References: <4.1.19990430092300.009a3e60@mail.ny.viant.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I've just received an IBM Trackpoint IV keyboard, with Windows 95 on a Compaq laptop (uh, oh: The manual for the keyboard says it won't work on non-IBM laptops). Problems: - Have installed the Trackpoint driver, but can't get the scrolling to function. (It's badly implemented, anyway, as it would require you to hold Shift to scroll, which would conflict with Windows' handling of Shift and mouse moving.) - The keys don't feel good. - The space bar is small, and often doesn't work if not hit squarely in the center. - The mouse buttons seem like they could stop working (as Michael Geary attested to). - Finally, the pointer usually doesn't begin to respond to my finger for a couple of seconds, if the pointer hasn't been used in a few seconds. The space bar failure and delayed pointer both make the experience of using this keyboard unacceptable. Of course, not being able to get the scrolling working is pretty bad, too. Besides all these problems, the layout also doesn't compare to the layout of the 3-button Scrollpoint on the Thinkpad 770ED. Not only are the 770ED's buttons much nicer, but they're positioned much better, and the scrolling works without the need to give up the shift key. To those who gave this keyboard a positive review: Do you not have the above problems? I don't think this keyboard/mouse pointer even begins to compare to the keyboard/mouse pointer on the Thinkpad 770ED. Am I missing something? Will the software problems miraculously go away if I try this on a Thinkpad? Ken kenzo@free-music.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 20:04:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA11629 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04904; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:02:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04664; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04651; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.42 -> mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:02:50 -0400 Received: from 87.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.171.87]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990609000245.FWIK22215@87.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:02:45 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 00:01:55 GMT Message-ID: <375daa12.1889282@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:56:38 -0700 (PDT), Vincent Poy wrote: > I always thought TI made their own machines and designed it, >atleast back in the early 1990's on the TravelMate line. Then Acer just >bought the company. Didn't Acer go bankruptcy once a few years ago? Don't know about the bankruptcy, but thinking back on it, I think you may be right about the Travelmate. TI started their relationship with Acer by letting them make the Extensa series, then turned over the Travelmate at the end (when they became identical to Acer's Nuovo line). But their laptop sales weren't large enough to warrant continuing their lines, and Acer was doing most of the work anyway by then and was interested, so...the rest is history. > >> And while I'm open to hearing proof otherwise, my best information is >> that Acer currently makes the 1410 series for IBM only, and previously made >> the 310, which was not among their big successes. With the 14xx and 17xx, >> they do seem to have finally produced a hit together. > > Hmmm, it seems according to PC Magazine or was it PC World's >article, Acer made every machine besides the 390 while the 390 was made by >IBM. I'll have to check, but I don't think Acer has anything to do with the 570 and I'd be absolutely freaking *shocked* to hear they'd been entrusted with the 770 series. The 310 was the first I'd heard of an IBM/Acer partnership, and the i-series the last. > >> This effort is because IBM currently ranks 3rd in laptop sales in the US >> (likely the world). They spent years focusing on the corporate market, and >> were outstripped by Toshiba and Compaq when the consumer market for laptops >> burgeoned. They've got the name recognition, but their pricing has always >> been scraping the stratosphere, and it's taken years to convince them that >> not many people would rather own a Thinkpad 770 than a home or car :-) > > Wow, only 3rd? I always thought IBM and Toshiba were #1! =) And >Compaq was the one with the bad reputation. > Nope. My last info has the breakdown as follows: Toshiba 18.7% Compaq 14.4% IBM 12.8% Dell 7.5% Acer 7.4% NEC 4.6% Fujitsu 3.5% Gateway 3.2% Hitachi 2.7% Sharp 2.4% Apple 2.2% Hewlett-Packard 1.9% Micron 1.6% Panasonic 0.9% AST 0.6% and the remaining market is divided among the remaining OEMs and clone relabelers. These are 1998 figures from the laptop issue of PC Magazine. I'm betting that this year's rankings will show Sony in there. Whatever my opinions of some policies, I'll admit they've aggressively pursued the consumer market in terms of pricing and style. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 20:38:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA11947 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06477; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:36:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06298; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06284; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (208.137.139.2 -> sammy.netpathway.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:36:42 -0400 Received: from ericgile (port34-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.231]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.9.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA28652 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:36:41 -0500 Message-ID: <004001beb210$ad91ffc0$e78b89d0@ericgile> From: "Eric Giles" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: CD-Writer Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:40:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: > Interesting... The SCSI HP's were all the same as Philips and >they all had some problem with the spring or something. Are the IDE >burners as good as the SCSI sibblings though? I do seem to remember hearing that the early HP/Phillips drives did have some type of problem with a spring located in the unit. Phillips has gotten a fairly bad reputation over their earlier CD-R/CD-RW drives and are generally avoided by a large number of people. I would say that for most use an IDE burner will serve its purpose just as well as a SCSI type. But for heavy duty use, as well as having less chance for buffer underruns due to the dedicated SCSI connection, I would go for the SCSI type if possible. Also. I believe that the few 8X CD-R units available now are SCSI due to the higher reliability at the faster transfer rate. Ok, sorry about the off topic bandwidth. Now for the Thinkpad content-I wish IBM had an Ultrabay CD-R/CD-RW for the 770! Eric Giles From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 20:53:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12093 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07672; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:52:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07461; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onlink4.onlink.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07448; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onlink4.onlink.net (206.108.253.68 -> onlink4.onlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:52:30 -0400 Received: from nrba1-5.onlink.net (nrba1-5.onlink.net [207.210.99.37]) by onlink4.onlink.net (8.8.7/) with SMTP id UAA85654 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:52:22 -0400 Message-Id: <199906090052.UAA85654@onlink4.onlink.net> From: "Alex Bell" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 20:52:18 +0000 Reply-To: "Alex Bell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 2635LEU changed to 2635AEU List-Unsubscribe: I have posted in other messages about the problem that after a technician changed the motherboard my thinkpad 385XD locks up when it goes into suspend mode. He also installed the latest bios upgrade. The Thinkpad configuration utility reported my machine to be a 2635 LEU when I bought it, and that is what is on the plate on the bottom of the computer. Now the thinkpad configuration utility reports the machine to be a 2635 AEU. What does this mean? What difference is there? What could have brought about the change? Could this have anything to do with the lockup on suspend problem? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 21:04:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA12181 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08453; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:02:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08263; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08248; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.42 -> mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:02:44 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.18.192]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990609010242.GVIB22215@770>; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 01:02:42 +0000 Message-ID: <375DBD22.4900@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 21:02:26 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Bell CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: 2635LEU changed to 2635AEU References: <199906090052.UAA85654@onlink4.onlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: That can happen when they chage the motherboard - possibly an upgraded model. Might be a good idea to re-install Win from scratch - the new board may support different settings and resources. Alex Bell wrote: > > I have posted in other messages about the problem that after a > technician changed the motherboard my thinkpad 385XD locks up when it > goes into suspend mode. He also installed the latest bios upgrade. > > The Thinkpad configuration utility reported my machine to be a 2635 LEU > when I bought it, and that is what is on the plate on the bottom of the > computer. Now the thinkpad configuration utility reports the machine > to be a 2635 AEU. What does this mean? What difference is there? > What could have brought about the change? Could this have anything to > do with the lockup on suspend problem? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 21:25:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA12418 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09591; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:23:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09391; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09374; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.41 -> mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:23:43 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.78.242.5]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990609012340.DXML6958@oemcomputer> for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 01:23:40 +0000 Message-ID: <375DC045.64D9@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 21:15:49 -0400 From: Simon Bryquer Reply-To: xsbryquer@xworldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM ANNOUNCES - was re: is I-series considered inferio/bad? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: For those interested, this articles pretty much covers the issues of this discussion. BTW please note that all the i-series (including i-1412) now have Lithium-Ion batteries and many other goodies of the more expensive line (see the IBM linkat the site below). http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C37485%2C00.html?dd.ne.txt.0608.11 Simon Bryquer -- Remove X before Name & World when replying From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 21:37:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA12531 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10490; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:36:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10269; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10246; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:36:01 -0400 Received: from seawesta-85.az.com (seawesta-85.az.com [204.201.18.85]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA02231 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:35:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199906090135.SAA02231@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Tue, 08 Jun 99 18:42:00 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CD-Writer List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:26:39 -0700 (PDT), Vincent Poy wrote: >> Interesting... The SCSI HP's were all the same as Philips and >they all had some problem with the spring or something. Are the IDE >burners as good as the SCSI sibblings though? I dunno. But from what I've heard (*read as third hand info*), IDE burners will give you a pop sometimes in your audio CD making. But if you don't do that, it probably won't be a problem. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 21:40:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA12564 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10969; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:39:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10796; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from l3mail5.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10782; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from l3mail5.netzero.net (209.0.233.48 -> mail5.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:39:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 24069 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 1999 01:12:19 -0000 Received: from pppa12-tucson13-2r691.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.207.122) by mail5.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 9 Jun 1999 01:12:19 -0000 Message-ID: <375DBF6D.2BAC083A@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 18:12:13 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770Z Keyboard "soft keys" problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vincent Poy wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > > You can't tell without giving it a try. As Erasmus Darwin > > said: experiment! > > Hmmm, I tried it and the same thing. > > > > since it's been this way out of the box and > > > > So was mine. First key problem appeared within 2 hrs usage. > > Wow... Were you using the machine heavily within 2 hours though? Yes, indeed. In fact I have not switched it off since then (except during brief trips to get to a library). Otherwise I never close the lid. The first CO2 blasting, after a month of usage, gave a shower of white particles coming out of the keyboard which then I vacuumed with a small primitive vacuum cleaner (also by Curtiss). > Mines seems to be with all the keys. When due to heavy CPU usage and high ambient temperature (e.g., air conditioning out of order: room temperature in summer about 90 F -this is Arizona, USA) then all the keys feel soft, without the snapping action which they recover when the keyboard cools down. > Wow, that must be getting expensive on the wallet to have one CO2 > catridge per month... List price of each cartridge is about $ 2.00, but sometimes there are manufacturer rebates. I bought the blaster and the vacuum cleaner when Curtiss offered rebates within OfficeMax's rebate program. Later I also bought some refill cartridges with another OfficeMax rebate. (I don't work for them, just spend some money there and pay attention to their rebate programs.) On a more personal approach I changed the brand of dandruff shampoo to try to decrease the number of particles falling on my keyboard. JC ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 21:47:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA12631 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11695; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:45:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11498; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11485; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:45:50 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.136]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990609014546.GOZG3641@dts-jl> for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 01:45:46 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990608214653.00bd8ce0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 21:46:53 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Trackpoint IV keyboard: Very bad first impression In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990608154747.00d77f10@mail.ny.viant.com> References: <001c01be932a$b36fa320$b2f7f7ce@ssh.servicemetrics.com> <4.1.19990430092300.009a3e60@mail.ny.viant.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:43 PM 6/8/99 -0700, Ken wrote: >To those who gave this keyboard a positive review: Do you not have the above problems? I don't think this keyboard/mouse pointer even begins to compare to the keyboard/mouse pointer on the Thinkpad 770ED. Am I missing something? > No, you're not missing anything. IMO, the Trackpoint IV sucks compared to either the Trackpoint II (made by Lexmark) or the keyboard on the TPs themselves. On it, I always feel like I'm having to drag the mouse through cold molasses - very tedious and tiring. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 22:02:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA12763 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12656; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:00:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12485; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12416; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:00:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA24324; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:00:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:00:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Jane Loyless cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Trackpoint IV keyboard: Very bad first impression In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990608214653.00bd8ce0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Jane Loyless wrote: Hi Jane... > No, you're not missing anything. IMO, the Trackpoint IV sucks compared to > either the Trackpoint II (made by Lexmark) or the keyboard on the TPs > themselves. On it, I always feel like I'm having to drag the mouse through > cold molasses - very tedious and tiring. Is the keyboard on the 770Z called the TrackPoint IV where the trackpoint can be used to click and the TrackPoint II is the one on the 380/385 series? If so, then I know why the keyboard on the 770Z is soft or different than my 385ED. I just checked the keys and the 770Z seems to use a membrane rubber type of thing below the keys while the 385ED keyboard has a plastic type of crossbar spring. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 22:05:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA12800 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13189; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:04:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12947; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12934; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:04:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA24350; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:04:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:04:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Emanuel Brown cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? In-Reply-To: <375daa12.1889282@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, Emanuel Brown wrote: > Don't know about the bankruptcy, but thinking back on it, I think you > may be right about the Travelmate. TI started their relationship with Acer > by letting them make the Extensa series, then turned over the Travelmate at > the end (when they became identical to Acer's Nuovo line). But their laptop > sales weren't large enough to warrant continuing their lines, and Acer was > doing most of the work anyway by then and was interested, so...the rest is > history. That's pretty intersting because I remember the TI TravelMate was like the best for notebooks in the early 1990's. When did IBM begin making the ThinkPad's? > > Hmmm, it seems according to PC Magazine or was it PC World's > >article, Acer made every machine besides the 390 while the 390 was made by > >IBM. > > I'll have to check, but I don't think Acer has anything to do with the > 570 and I'd be absolutely freaking *shocked* to hear they'd been entrusted > with the 770 series. The 310 was the first I'd heard of an IBM/Acer > partnership, and the i-series the last. Oh well, if Acer did do the 770Z and it's the one that I have, now I know the reason of the problems I'm having since out of the box 3 weeks ago... > > Wow, only 3rd? I always thought IBM and Toshiba were #1! =) And > >Compaq was the one with the bad reputation. > > Nope. My last info has the breakdown as follows: > Toshiba 18.7% > Compaq 14.4% > IBM 12.8% > Dell 7.5% > Acer 7.4% > NEC 4.6% > Fujitsu 3.5% > Gateway 3.2% > Hitachi 2.7% > Sharp 2.4% > Apple 2.2% > Hewlett-Packard 1.9% > Micron 1.6% > Panasonic 0.9% > AST 0.6% > and the remaining market is divided among the remaining OEMs and clone > relabelers. These are 1998 figures from the laptop issue of PC Magazine. > I'm betting that this year's rankings will show Sony in there. Whatever my > opinions of some policies, I'll admit they've aggressively pursued the > consumer market in terms of pricing and style. Hmmm, that's pretty interesting... I never knew Dell would score that well. And Apple actually scored higher than HP. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 22:10:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA12855 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13734; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:09:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13633; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from l3mail3.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13620; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from l3mail3.netzero.net (209.0.233.38 -> mail3.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:09:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 15855 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 1999 20:42:39 -0000 Received: from pppa41-tucson6-4r344.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.217.103) by mail3.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 8 Jun 1999 20:42:39 -0000 Message-ID: <375D803A.849CAC20@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 13:42:34 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu, Thinkpad List Subject: Re: 770Z Keyboard "soft keys" problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vincent Poy wrote: > Not sure if that [blasting] will help You can't tell without giving it a try. As Erasmus Darwin said: experiment! > since it's been this way out of the box and So was mine. First key problem appeared within 2 hrs usage. > I only had the machine for no more than 3 weeks. My average usage bas been one CO2 cartridge per month during the year I had the machine. Half of the time as preventive cleaning and the other half to address a particular key problem. Note this terse reply complies with the "TP list anti-clutter movement" JC ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 22:49:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA13218 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15843; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:48:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15649; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15635; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:47:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA24598; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:47:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:47:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Eric Giles cc: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: CD-Writer In-Reply-To: <004001beb210$ad91ffc0$e78b89d0@ericgile> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Eric Giles wrote: > > Interesting... The SCSI HP's were all the same as Philips and > >they all had some problem with the spring or something. Are the IDE > >burners as good as the SCSI sibblings though? > > I do seem to remember hearing that the early HP/Phillips drives did have > some type of problem with a spring located in the unit. Phillips has gotten > a fairly bad reputation over their earlier CD-R/CD-RW drives and are > generally avoided by a large number of people. Yep, that's true and when they had their first CD-RW drives, it was OEM from Ricoh since it was basically a 6200 SCSI but I wonder if Philips makes their own CD-RW drives now since they only have IDE and no longer SCSI. > I would say that for most use an IDE burner will serve its purpose just as > well as a SCSI type. But for heavy duty use, as well as having less chance > for buffer underruns due to the dedicated SCSI connection, I would go for > the SCSI type if possible. Also. I believe that the few 8X CD-R units > available now are SCSI due to the higher reliability at the faster transfer > rate. That's true. > Ok, sorry about the off topic bandwidth. Now for the Thinkpad content-I wish > IBM had an Ultrabay CD-R/CD-RW for the 770! Me too! Now that would totally be cool! =) I can always hook my Plextor 8x CR-RW SCSI to the parallel port with that Adaptec Parallel to SCSI cable. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 23:12:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13459 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17009; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:10:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16881; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16868; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:10:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA24712; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:10:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:10:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: LightSide cc: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: CD-Writer In-Reply-To: <199906090135.SAA02231@www.az.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, LightSide wrote: > >> Interesting... The SCSI HP's were all the same as Philips and > >they all had some problem with the spring or something. Are the IDE > >burners as good as the SCSI sibblings though? > > I dunno. But from what I've heard (*read as third hand info*), IDE > burners will give you a pop sometimes in your audio CD making. But if > you don't do that, it probably won't be a problem. That's what I thought too since EIDE would be subject to buffer underruns. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 8 23:19:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13549 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17717; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:18:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17607; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17592; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:18:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA24741; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:18:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:18:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770Z Keyboard "soft keys" problem In-Reply-To: <375DBF6D.2BAC083A@netzero.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: > > Wow... Were you using the machine heavily within 2 hours though? > > Yes, indeed. In fact I have not switched it off since then > (except during brief trips to get to a library). Otherwise I > never close the lid. The first CO2 blasting, after a month > of usage, gave a shower of white particles coming out of the > keyboard which then I vacuumed with a small primitive vacuum > cleaner (also by Curtiss). Same here... Except my machine had so many problems that it even had it's system board swapped. The problem seems to be that like someone mentioned, the Trackpoint IV keyboard since I noticed the keys on the 770Z is membrane under the keys while the 385ED has plastic loaded spring mechanisms. > > Mines seems to be with all the keys. > > When due to heavy CPU usage and high ambient temperature (e.g., air > conditioning out of order: room temperature in summer about 90 F -this > is Arizona, USA) then all the keys feel soft, without the snapping > action which they recover when the keyboard cools down. I don't think it's the temperature... The keyboard is actually a different design than the ThinkPad's I'm accustomed to. Remember that keyboards have membrane, and the ones with feedback. > > Wow, that must be getting expensive on the wallet to have one CO2 > > catridge per month... > > List price of each cartridge is about $ 2.00, but sometimes there are > manufacturer rebates. I bought the blaster and the vacuum cleaner when > Curtiss offered rebates within OfficeMax's rebate program. I thought they cost way more than that... > On a more personal approach I changed the brand of dandruff shampoo to > try to decrease the number of particles falling on my keyboard. That would help... Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 00:20:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA14117 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19831; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:18:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19692; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19678; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:18:47 -0400 Received: from wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (fsict-tc4-41.fn.net) by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) with ESMTP id <01JC6BGVRRFSI1BVVC@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:20:29 CST Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 23:11:33 -0500 From: Jon Subject: Re: IBM ANNOUNCES - was re: is I-series considered inferio/bad? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <375DE975.5467B901@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,zh,zh-TW,af References: <375DC045.64D9@worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: Simon Bryquer wrote: > For those interested, this articles pretty much covers the issues of > this discussion. BTW please note that all the i-series (including > i-1412) now have Lithium-Ion batteries and many other goodies of the > more expensive line Now, what would the motivation for people to purchase the higher model now ? Seems like the performance/spec gap is really closing down between a 770 and an i series. Maybe the key is not to let consumers know that the i-series are made by Acer. When is IBM going to add ieee1394 fire wire connection to the Thinkpads ? Are they any alternative external ieee1394 fire wire connections out there now ? Seems like Apple Inc are always the innovator & make really nice things. Couldnt imagine if they started making a PC version of the G3 laptop. COme to think of it, why wouldnt they ??? P/s: I would like to thank all that helped me out on my 770e and truly this group is very knowledgable, helpful & beneficial to all Thinkpad owners. Kudos. Sincerely, Jon From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 00:42:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA14329 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20956; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:41:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20833; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20820; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.213 -> slip-32-100-39-213.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:41:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000801beb234$095d3720$d5276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: Subject: LCD Image Burn In? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:53:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEB212.7A0A3F80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEB212.7A0A3F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While running Linux the system went in suspend. When it awoke the KDE = desktop appeared for a few seconds then the screen started changing = colors until it became extremely bright and mostly white. What got me = was that on the bottom of the screen it had an image of the Win98 = taskbar.=20 Is it possible that the LCD has an image of the Windoze taskbar on it? = Anyone ever experience this before? I know many years ago monitors were susceptible to this if exposed to an = image for prolonged periods. 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While running Linux the system went in = suspend.=20 When it awoke the KDE desktop appeared for a few seconds then the screen = started=20 changing colors until it became extremely bright and mostly white. What = got me=20 was that on the bottom of the screen it had an image of the Win98 = taskbar.=20
Is it possible that the LCD has an = image of the=20 Windoze taskbar on it? Anyone ever experience this before?
I know many years ago monitors were = susceptible to=20 this if exposed to an image for prolonged periods.
 
 
Don
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEB212.7A0A3F80-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 00:59:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA14451 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21952; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:58:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21828; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21814; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (208.137.139.2 -> sammy.netpathway.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:58:11 -0400 Received: from ericgile (port30-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.227]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.9.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA04341 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:58:09 -0500 Message-ID: <019801beb235$34a9b2e0$e38b89d0@ericgile> From: "Eric Giles" To: Subject: Re: LCD Image Burn In? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:01:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0195_01BEB20B.4AF1D660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0195_01BEB20B.4AF1D660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had a similar experience with my previous 770 1AU. I would leave = IE4 Outlook Express running on my system for hours at a time everyday = without refreshing the display. I started noticing that when I switched = to Internet Explorer I could see the outline of the OE icons and buttons = on the top of the toolbar on the IE toolbar. I called IBM tech support = and they had never heard of such a thing. I could leave the system off = for a while but turning it back on it would show the same problem. I was = scared to let IBM replace the screen (afraid of getting one with bad = pixels), so I let it be. I started running a screen saver, and after a = while noticed that I didn't have any more 'screen burn' on the LCD. =20 I'm not sure if yours is the same exact 'problem' as mine was, but = given some time and luck maybe it will go away like mine did. =20 Eric Giles =20 =20 =20 While running Linux the system went in suspend. When it awoke the = KDE desktop appeared for a few seconds then the screen started changing = colors until it became extremely bright and mostly white. What got me = was that on the bottom of the screen it had an image of the Win98 = taskbar.=20 Is it possible that the LCD has an image of the Windoze taskbar on = it? Anyone ever experience this before? I know many years ago monitors were susceptible to this if exposed = to an image for prolonged periods. =20 =20 Don ------=_NextPart_000_0195_01BEB20B.4AF1D660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I had a=20 similar experience with my previous 770 1AU. I would leave IE4 = Outlook=20 Express running on my system for hours at a time everyday without = refreshing=20 the display. I started noticing that when I switched to Internet = Explorer I=20 could see the outline of the OE icons and buttons on the top of the = toolbar=20 on the IE toolbar. I called IBM tech support and they had never = heard of=20 such a thing. I could leave the system off for a while but turning = it back=20 on it would show the same problem. I was scared to let IBM replace = the=20 screen (afraid of getting one with bad pixels), so I let it be. I = started=20 running a screen saver, and after a while noticed that I didn't have = any=20 more 'screen burn' on the LCD.
 
I'm not sure if yours is the same exact = 'problem' as mine=20 was, but given some time and luck  maybe it will go away like = mine=20 did.
 
Eric Giles
 

 
While running Linux the system went = in suspend.=20 When it awoke the KDE desktop appeared for a few seconds then the = screen=20 started changing colors until it became extremely bright and mostly = white.=20 What got me was that on the bottom of the screen it had an image of = the=20 Win98 taskbar.
Is it possible that the LCD has an = image of the=20 Windoze taskbar on it? Anyone ever experience this = before?
I know many years ago monitors were = susceptible=20 to this if exposed to an image for prolonged periods.
 
 
Don
------=_NextPart_000_0195_01BEB20B.4AF1D660-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 01:10:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA14498 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 01:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22635; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 01:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 01:09:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22492; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 01:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22478; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 01:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 01:09:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA25225; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:08:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:08:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: LCD Image Burn In? In-Reply-To: <000801beb234$095d3720$d5276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > While running Linux the system went in suspend. When it awoke the KDE > desktop appeared for a few seconds then the screen started changing > colors until it became extremely bright and mostly white. What got me > was that on the bottom of the screen it had an image of the Win98 > taskbar. Is it possible that the LCD has an image of the Windoze > taskbar on it? Anyone ever experience this before? I know many years > ago monitors were susceptible to this if exposed to an image for > prolonged periods. Hmmm, I thought LCD's didn't have this problem but only CRT based monitors would have the problem. Unless you had the KDE desktop with the Win95/98 emulation look which is in fvwm95 as well, then it's not supposed to happen. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 06:54:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA15986 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10648; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:52:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10500; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onlink4.onlink.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10482; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onlink4.onlink.net (206.108.253.68 -> onlink4.onlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:52:39 -0400 Received: from nrba1-95.onlink.net (nrba1-95.onlink.net [207.210.99.127]) by onlink4.onlink.net (8.8.7/) with SMTP id GAA87880 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:52:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199906091052.GAA87880@onlink4.onlink.net> From: "Alex Bell" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 06:51:33 +0000 Reply-To: "Alex Bell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 2635 LEU to 2635 EAU List-Unsubscribe: This is not as off topic as it may appear, so please bear with me. Last year I bought a Thinkpad 385XD of machine type 2635 LEU. IBM has replaced the mother board twice, and since the first replacement the computer locks up tight whenever it goes into suspend mode. IBM HelpCentre has told me that they can't help me any more unless I use the recovery CD, thus wiping out all my OS/2 stuff. I am more inclined to reinstall OS/2, and even if I do use the recovery CD I will still want to install OS/2. The Think pad configuration file now shows that the machine type is 2635 EAU. It also shows the bios is IFET17WW, which according to the readme file is the bios for a Pentium(2), whereas the computer I bought was a Pentium 233 with MMX. Is this a significant difference? If I reinstall OS/2 what drivers should I be looking for? (ie, for a 385XD or some other model). Could this difference in machine types have anything to do with why it locks up on suspend? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 12:43:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA18512 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29135; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:41:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28950; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28933; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (200.0.213.47) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:41:18 -0400 Received: from pcleandro (COR2ppp-94.uc.infovia.com.ar [209.13.202.94]) by dialup.com.ar (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA08058; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:44:49 -0300 From: "Leandro Rzezak" To: "Donald Mak" , "Rob Bell" , , Subject: RE: Direct Cable Connection Woes Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:43:27 -0300 Message-ID: <000101beb297$3312f9c0$65a08c84@pcleandro.sauken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <000b01beb12e$33cdf460$c6276420@thinkpad> List-Unsubscribe: I had the same problem too. You have to have all IPX, netbeui and TCP/IP protocols installed. That should work. Leandro > -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Mak [mailto:dvmak@ibm.net] > Sent: Lunes 7 de Junio de 1999 18:39 > To: Rob Bell; chrys@addr.com; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Direct Cable Connection Woes > > > I once had the same problem between Win95 and Win98. The following is from > Windows Help > and it solved my problem. > > The two systems you are directly connecting together must have a common > protocol to talk to one another. By default Window 95 installs the IPX and > Netbeui protocols, while Windows 98 installs the TCP/IP protocol. Install > the IPX protocol the computer that is running Windows 98 to enable the two > machines to communicate. > > To install the IPX protocol on a computer running Windows 98 > > >From My Computer double-click on the Control Panel folder. > Double-click on Network. > Click Add, and then select Protocol. > Click Add. > >From the manufacturer's list, select Microsoft. > >From the list of protocols, select IPX/SPX compatible Protocol, and then > click Ok. > Click Ok to exit the Network control panel. > You must now restart your machine to save these changes. Click Ok > to restart > your computer. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rob Bell > To: ; > Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: Direct Cable Connection Woes > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 13:04:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18622 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01119; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:01:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00855; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00707; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:59:55 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-300.gate.net [199.227.131.109]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA231132; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:01:29 -0400 Message-ID: <375E9D7D.A7D3E052@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:59:41 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Bell CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: 2635 LEU to 2635 EAU References: <199906091052.GAA87880@onlink4.onlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Alex.. its possible that they used a newer system board.. either that or put the wrong info in the cmos when they put the machine serial number on the system board, IF that model supports that feature.. what does system in control panel tell you about the cpu..?? if they upgraded the sys board, then the recovery CD will be wrong for the machine.. you BET theres a significant difference.. P-II somethingMMX vs. P233MMX.. a much better cpu and chipset.. Alex Bell wrote: > This is not as off topic as it may appear, so please bear with me. > > Last year I bought a Thinkpad 385XD of machine type 2635 LEU. IBM has > replaced the mother board twice, and since the first replacement the > computer locks up tight whenever it goes into suspend mode. IBM > HelpCentre has told me that they can't help me any more unless I use > the recovery CD, thus wiping out all my OS/2 stuff. I am more inclined > to reinstall OS/2, and even if I do use the recovery CD I will still > want to install OS/2. > > The Think pad configuration file now shows that the machine type is > 2635 EAU. It also shows the bios is IFET17WW, which according to the > readme file is the bios for a Pentium(2), whereas the computer I bought > was a Pentium 233 with MMX. > > Is this a significant difference? If I reinstall OS/2 what drivers > should I be looking for? (ie, for a 385XD or some other model). Could > this difference in machine types have anything to do with why it locks > up on suspend? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 14:09:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19235 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05035; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:05:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04785; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0p.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04768; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0p.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.45 -> www0p.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:05:33 -0400 Received: (qmail 720 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 1999 18:05:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990609180528.719.qmail@www0p.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.45 by www0p via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Wed Jun 9 18:05:28 GMT 1999 Date: 9 Jun 99 13:05:28 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Leandro Rzezak , , Subject: Re: Direct Cable Connection Woes X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: To clarify, you need at least ONE of those protocols set up and configure= d correctly, and that protocol must exist on both computers. There is no n= eed to run all three protocols. Running extra protocols adds overhead to the= system and can cause degraded performance, especially when connecting to another computer or when dialing an ISP. As I stated in an earlier message, NetBEUI is the easiest one to set up a= nd get working. Even on computers that are already both set up with TCP/IP,= I often add NetBEUI to both in order to avoid the setup headaches with TCP/= IP. HTH, Rob "Leandro Rzezak" wrote: > I had the same problem too. You have to have all IPX, netbeui and TCP/I= P > protocols installed. > That should work. > = > Leandro ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 14:21:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19413 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06094; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:20:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05953; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05933; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (199.0.65.247 -> mail-out-0.tiac.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:20:11 -0400 Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26913; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:19:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA13162; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:15:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: Thinkpad Mailing List , "'Alex Bell'" Subject: RE: 2635 LEU to 2635 EAU Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:14:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I checked out the models in the Withdrawn Thinkpads PDF file. The 2635 EAU is listed as a Thinkpad 380XD model. It uses a Pentium II 233/66. It is listed as a 12.1 inch HPA color SVGA of either 640x480 or 800x 600. The 2635 FAU is the 12.1 inch TFT version. Both models where available in the same timeframe (Late Summer 1998). Comparing the two systems: LEU vs. EAU Display TFT vs. HPA. Chipset Intel 430TX vs Intel 440BX The Cardbus controller, sound chip, and everything else seems to be the same. I do not know if there are motherboard differences between using a HPA and a TFT display. If you restored your old operating system on the machine then that may be where the problem is. I have systems that use the TX and BX chip sets. If I remember correctly the APM hardware is part of the Intel Chipset. For Windows 95 I had to install a file from the intel web site that had the proper drivers for the chipset. Windows 98 should have the drivers. I would check in the hardware manager tab of system in the control panel for the drivers. They should be listed under System Devices and there should be several the have 440BX in the name (or at least Intel). As I remember the devices should be the PCI CPU bridge, PCI to ISA bridge, and APM. 73 Eric ecottrell@shore.net ---------- From: Alex Bell [SMTP:afjbell@onlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 2:52 AM To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: 2635 LEU to 2635 EAU This is not as off topic as it may appear, so please bear with me. Is this a significant difference? If I reinstall OS/2 what drivers should I be looking for? (ie, for a 385XD or some other model). Could this difference in machine types have anything to do with why it locks up on suspend? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 15:27:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20048 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10686; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:23:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10513; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10498; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.102 -> pilot002.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:22:55 -0400 Received: from andres (pm530-39.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.241]) by pilot002.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA50004 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:22:52 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990609152514.008d29e0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:25:14 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: 2635 LEU to 2635 EAU In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Whats the url for this withdrawn thinkpads area? It sounds useful. Thanks, --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 02:14 PM 6/9/99 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >Hello, > >I checked out the models in the Withdrawn Thinkpads PDF file. ... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 15:31:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20087 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11302; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:28:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11071; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11024; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:28:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA29199; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:28:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:28:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Steven N. Fettig" cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Windows 98 Explorer Problem - No question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Greetings everyone, Thanks to everyone for their help before! A fellow ThinkPad List User Rajiv Vijayakumar solved the problem that both Microsoft Win98 and Internet Explorer Support can't solve. The fix is easy, C:\Windows and C:\Windows\System comes with a standard Desktop.ini file but the Folder.htt file is a customized version. Just thought I wanted to share this with all TP users if they face this problem. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 15:34:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20122 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11873; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:32:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11696; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11683; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:32:38 -0400 Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08935 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:32:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08851 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:32:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990609153334.00bb2590@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:33:34 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: 2635 LEU to 2635 EAU In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990609152514.008d29e0@pilot.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:25 PM 6/9/99 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >Whats the url for this withdrawn thinkpads area? It sounds useful. > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/twbook.pdf From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 15:38:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20170 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12375; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:37:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12292; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12279; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:36:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.68 -> imo24.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:36:58 -0400 Received: from Disneyjazz@aol.com (8071) by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id oHPIa01897 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9dd58011.24901c2a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:36:10 EDT Subject: unsubscribe To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe disneyjazz@aol.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 15:46:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20255 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13135; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:42:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12937; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12917; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:42:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA01562; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:42:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:42:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Disneyjazz@aol.com cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <9dd58011.24901c2a@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 9 Jun 1999 Disneyjazz@aol.com wrote: > unsubscribe disneyjazz@aol.com > The way to unsubscribe from this list: mailto: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe> Have a nice day... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 18:43:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA22244 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23122; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:41:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22925; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22911; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (206.127.32.35 -> tam.dorsai.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:41:05 -0400 Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (higgins@amanda.dorsai.org [206.127.32.130]) by tam.dorsai.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA02330 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:45:08 -0400 (EDT) From: John Higgins Received: (higgins@localhost) by amanda.dorsai.org (8.8.5/8.6.12) id SAA07457 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906092245.SAA07457@amanda.dorsai.org> Subject: Rebates To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad list) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:45:07 -0400 (edt) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: OK, I'm sure someone has posted this before, but just in case.... IBM's web site has a bunch of rebates I hadn't spotted before, not just notebooks but docking stations and accessories for some models. Not huge, but bucks is bucks. http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/offers/cashback.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John M. Higgins Broadcasting & Cable Magazine higgins@dorsai.org v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 18:50:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA22366 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23922; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:49:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23764; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23751; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:49:31 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg-20425418-88.ricochet.net [204.254.18.88]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA08356; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:49:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: , "Alex Bell" Cc: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: RE: 2635LEU changed to 2635AEU Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:49:12 -0700 Message-ID: <006101beb2ca$4ac8bcc0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <375DBD22.4900@worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > That can happen when they chage the motherboard - possibly an upgraded > model. > Might be a good idea to re-install Win from scratch - the new board may > support different settings and resources. Whew--that sounds like a last resort! Nothing is apparently broken, so I would leave well enough alone. It wouldn't hurt to go look in Device Manager and see if there are any red X or yellow ! markers. Windows is usually pretty good about moving itself from one configuration to another. That's what it has to do all the time to support docking and undocking. I moved a complete Windows 98 configuration from a generic desktop to a TP770 by simply transferring the entire file structure and rebooting. Windows went out and redetected all the hardware and just came up running. All I had to do was install the IBM utilities. -Mike Looking for a Geary? Hundreds of us at Geary Central: http://Geary.com/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 18:53:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA22405 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24386; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:52:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24254; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24241; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:52:51 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg-20425418-88.ricochet.net [204.254.18.88]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA08923; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:52:43 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: , "Alex Bell" Cc: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: RE: 2635LEU changed to 2635AEU Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:52:42 -0700 Message-ID: <006201beb2ca$c84055f0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <375DBD22.4900@worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: I must be an idiot. I read the reply about reinstalling Windows and didn't read the original message properly. So there *are* serious problems. Then I agree completely--back everything up and run the recovery CD. Sorry about the mixup! -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 23:01:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24953 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04590; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:59:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04395; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gatem02.netusa1.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04356; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gatem02.netusa1.net (205.139.170.9 -> gatem02.netusa1.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:58:06 -0400 Received: from default (kok-38.netusa1.net [206.150.216.38]) by gatem02.netusa1.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA29644 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:56:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from k9opo@netusa1.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990609215831.00834ec0@mail.netusa1.net> X-Sender: k9opo@mail.netusa1.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 21:58:31 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Roger Grady Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <9dd58011.24901c2a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I think I know why there are so many "unsubscribe" requests posted to the list. The unsubscribe instructions don't work. I've sent 2 emails to thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu, with unsubscribe in the subject and in the text - there's no response and the emails keep coming. Is there something wrong with the server? Or is there some subtle syntax variation that isn't in the instructions? Roger Grady From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 9 23:04:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24977 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04993; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:03:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04845; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04830; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:03:08 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-219.gate.net [199.227.131.28]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA187756; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:04:49 -0400 Message-ID: <375F2AE5.EE6D9DD9@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 23:03:01 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Higgins CC: Thinkpad list Subject: Re: Rebates References: <199906092245.SAA07457@amanda.dorsai.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John.. yes, rebates up to $300 on 770's purchased before july 31.. thats why i was offering two 770Z-8AU's at $4350... theres a bunch of rebates.. most 770Z's are $300, workpad z50 is $100.. $25 on most thinkpad options, $75 on a bunch of PC 300 models up to $600 on netfinity 5500 and 5500M10... John Higgins wrote: > OK, I'm sure someone has posted this before, but just in case.... > > IBM's web site has a bunch of rebates I hadn't spotted before, not just > notebooks but docking stations and accessories for some models. Not huge, > but bucks is bucks. > > http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/offers/cashback.html > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > John M. Higgins > Broadcasting & Cable Magazine > higgins@dorsai.org > v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 06:43:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA27443 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24919; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:41:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24705; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24691; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (128.11.68.102 -> web202.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:41:44 -0400 Message-ID: <19990610104216.27384.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [165.89.129.68] by web202.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:42:16 PDT Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:42:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Technokid Subject: 200 pin connector for Notebook dosking station. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: To whom may help & caoncern; Hi! I purchased a Docking station for an experiment on my Notebook Computer. It's a Sager 7500A Notebook And the only thing I need to change is the Connector from 240 pins to 200 pins on the Docking station, if you know where I can find a 200 pin notebook connector please let me know I will appreciate it.. Thanks again, Edwin _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 07:16:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA27556 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27091; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:15:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26925; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26909; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.103 -> pilot003.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:15:16 -0400 Received: from andres (port40.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.179]) by pilot003.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA37566 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:15:12 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990610071728.008d4100@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:17:28 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 200 pin connector for Notebook dosking station. In-Reply-To: <19990610104216.27384.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: The ThinkPad list isn't the greatest place to ask a Sager question, but from my experience in getting strange and unusual connectors, going to the manufacturer is the best way. Otherwise, you have to comb through the OEMs in Japan to find the connector you're looking for. Possible, but hard. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu >To whom may help & caoncern; > > Hi! > > I purchased a Docking station for an experiment on my >Notebook Computer. It's a Sager 7500A Notebook And the only >thing I need to change is the Connector from 240 pins to >200 pins on the Docking station, if you know where I can >find a 200 pin notebook connector please let me know I will >appreciate it.. > > Thanks again, > > Edwin From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 08:08:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA27785 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29516; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:07:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29359; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29346; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (207.69.200.32 -> smtp2.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:06:57 -0400 Received: from lou1 (user-38ldi5i.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.200.178]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10936 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990610050550.00885100@mindspring.com> X-Sender: lou1358@mindspring.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:05:50 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Lou Subject: Selling TP 380 ED correction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: IBM THINKPAD 380 ED 166 Mhz Pentium 12.1 inch Active Matrix Screen (no dead pixels) Windows 95 installed 3 gig hard drive 48 Mbytes RAM 20x CD ROM drive 3COM Megahertz V.90 56 K PC Modem Deluxe carrying case Make a reasonable offer. 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Thanks Lou From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 09:23:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28345 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02967; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:21:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02741; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02723; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (206.146.7.2 -> rattler.gtfc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:21:41 -0400 Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (root@localhost) by rattler.gtfc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13479; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:21:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from csc.com ([10.1.11.49]) by rattler.gtfc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13475; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:21:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <375FBBCE.FF032C87@csc.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:21:18 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roger Grady CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <3.0.5.32.19990609215831.00834ec0@mail.netusa1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I believe the listserv system is not automated for subscribes/unsubscribes/etc. I think the list maintainer has to read the request and take action. Therefore it may take a few days if that person is busy or on vacation. Not positive about this, but that's what I remember... Rob Roger Grady wrote: > > I think I know why there are so many "unsubscribe" requests posted to the > list. The unsubscribe instructions don't work. I've sent 2 emails to > thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu, with unsubscribe in the subject and in the > text - there's no response and the emails keep coming. Is there something > wrong with the server? Or is there some subtle syntax variation that isn't > in the instructions? > > Roger Grady ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Minnesota Webmaster CSC Consulting Group, Minneapolis, MN rbell1@nospam@csc.com ------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 09:36:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28497 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03869; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:35:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03691; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omecihuatl.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03677; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omecihuatl.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (131.173.17.35 -> omecihuatl.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:35:14 -0400 Received: from leon.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (dia13.modem.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.251.205]) by omecihuatl.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15652 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:35:02 +0200 Received: from localhost (krumeich@localhost) by leon.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA02040 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:26:57 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: leon.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de: krumeich owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:26:55 +0200 (MEST) From: Alexander Krumeich Reply-To: Alexander Krumeich To: ThinkPad List Subject: ThinkPad 600 & Adaptec AHA1480A Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, today I have bought the Adaptec AHA1480A Ultra SCSI Adapter for my TP600 (Pentium 233 MMX). Unfortunately, the card works neither in Linux nor in Windows. I assume that it is important to mention that the AHA1480A is a CardBus card. In Windows 95, the PC-Card monitor program does not recognize the card in any way, although if I remove the card, the machine beeps twice, as usually, when I remove a card. Thus, I reinstalled CardWorks in the hope of getting a bit more information than that. However, recognizing the card went no further than the "Awaiting PNP Information" message for the respective slot. Upon insertion of the card, Linux writes the following to the /var/log/messages file: Jun 10 15:13:04 leon cardmgr[216]: initializing socket 1 Jun 10 15:13:04 leon cardmgr[216]: unsupported card in socket 1 Jun 10 15:13:04 leon cardmgr[216]: no product info available Now the usual question: Does anybody have experience with that particular card in a TP600, either Windows or (preferably) Linux? I use Linux 2.2.9 accompanied by the PCMCIA Services 3.0.9. Both are, to my knowledge, the most up to date versions. Any hints welcome, of course! Thanks in advance, Alexander -- Alexander Krumeich http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ Never trust a HAL 9000 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 09:55:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28725 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05386; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:53:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05153; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.ics.uwe.ac.uk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05117; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.ics.uwe.ac.uk (164.11.100.4 -> zen.ics.uwe.ac.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:53:34 -0400 Received: (from barlow@localhost) by zen.ics.uwe.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.8.7) id OAA25046; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:53:27 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:53:27 +0100 From: Daniel Barlow To: Rob Bell Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe Message-ID: <19990610145327.K1383@zen.ics.uwe.ac.uk> References: <3.0.5.32.19990609215831.00834ec0@mail.netusa1.net> <375FBBCE.FF032C87@csc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <375FBBCE.FF032C87@csc.com>; from Rob Bell on Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 08:21:18AM -0500 X-Url: http://www.telent.net X-Parrot: You stunned him! List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 08:21:18AM -0500, Rob Bell wrote: > I believe the listserv system is not automated for > subscribes/unsubscribes/etc. I think the list maintainer has to read > the request and take action. I got subscribed pretty rapidly after sending the request. I unsubscribed over a week ago. I'm sorry for cluttering the mailboxes of the other people who've done likewise, but it really does look like the -request address is broken. -dan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 10:46:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA29249 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08709; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:45:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08593; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08574; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:45:25 -0400 Received: from MACGREGOR (mg132-021.ricochet.net [204.179.132.21]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA01081; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:44:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00c301beb34f$c8763190$1584b3cc@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Alexander Krumeich" , "ThinkPad List" References: Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 & Adaptec AHA1480A Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:44:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This card is explicitly unsupported by IBM for the ThinkPad 600. Check the support web site for the notice. When I first bought my own 600 a year ago, I also assumed that it would work. When I saw the note from IBM, I returned the card and bought a Zip Card instead. The Zip Card is really an AHA-1460 and it works fine. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Alexander Krumeich To: ThinkPad List Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 6:26 AM Subject: ThinkPad 600 & Adaptec AHA1480A > Hi, > > today I have bought the Adaptec AHA1480A Ultra SCSI Adapter for my TP600 > (Pentium 233 MMX). Unfortunately, the card works neither in Linux nor in > Windows. I assume that it is important to mention that the AHA1480A is a > CardBus card. > > In Windows 95, the PC-Card monitor program does not recognize the card in > any way, although if I remove the card, the machine beeps twice, as > usually, when I remove a card. Thus, I reinstalled CardWorks in the hope > of getting a bit more information than that. However, recognizing the card > went no further than the "Awaiting PNP Information" message for the > respective slot. > > Upon insertion of the card, Linux writes the following to the > /var/log/messages file: > > Jun 10 15:13:04 leon cardmgr[216]: initializing socket 1 > Jun 10 15:13:04 leon cardmgr[216]: unsupported card in socket 1 > Jun 10 15:13:04 leon cardmgr[216]: no product info available > > Now the usual question: Does anybody have experience with that particular > card in a TP600, either Windows or (preferably) Linux? I use Linux 2.2.9 > accompanied by the PCMCIA Services 3.0.9. Both are, to my knowledge, the > most up to date versions. > > Any hints welcome, of course! > > Thanks in advance, > > Alexander > > -- > Alexander Krumeich > http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ > > Never trust a HAL 9000 > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 11:38:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA29648 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12370; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:35:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12167; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12153; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:35:53 -0400 Received: from MACGREGOR (mg132-021.ricochet.net [204.179.132.21]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07305; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:34:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00d801beb356$d5e6baa0$1584b3cc@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Alexander Krumeich" , "ThinkPad List" References: <00c301beb34f$c8763190$1584b3cc@detayls.com> Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 & Adaptec AHA1480A Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:35:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I may have misspoken. After I sent this I went to the IBM Support site and searched for "1480." This article came up. This is a change since last year, when I tried it. David --- TP 380,385,560,600,770 - Some CardBus adapters will not configure properly Applicable Countries World-Wide Service Hints & Tips SYMPTOM: The CardBus adapter will not configure properly. CONFIGURATION: This issue is only seen with the following cards used on IBM ThinkPad 380x, 385x, 560x, 600, and 770x: Adaptec 1480 SCSI (not the 1480A) Melco IFC-UC CardBus Ultra SCSI Adapter Noteworthy Video Conferencing CardBus Card Madge Token Ring CardBus Adapter (20-02) SMC 8032 CardBus Ethernet Adapter Ositech 10/100 Ethernet/56K Combo CardBus Adapter Ositech 10/100 Base TX Fast Ethernet CardBus Trumpcard 7 of Spades These cards will not configure on ThinkPads using the TI1250 CardBus controller chip. SOLUTION: 1. Upgrade the Thinkpad to the latest level of BIOS. 2. Install the new Thinkpad Utility program. a. Obtain the latest level of the Thinkpad Utility, Utility Data Disk 1, and DOS Personalization diskettes. b. Double click on Add/Remove Programs icon (Start->Settings->Control Panel) c. Scroll down and click on Thinkpad Utility. d. Click the Add/Remove button. d. Check the 'delete all files' box and click OK. e. Click OK to restart the system. f. Insert the Thinkpad Utility disk in the floppy drive g. At the Run line (Start->Run...) type a:\setup h. Follow the instructions to load the new Thinkpad Utility program. 3. Disable the PCI Bus Power Management feature a. Double click on the Power icon (Start->Settings->Control Panel) b. Click on the Advanced Settings tab c. Click on the pull down box next to PCI Bus Power Management d. Change the setting from Automatic to Disable. e. Click OK ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Taylor To: Alexander Krumeich ; ThinkPad List Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 7:44 AM Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 & Adaptec AHA1480A > This card is explicitly unsupported by IBM for the ThinkPad 600. Check the > support web site for the notice. > > When I first bought my own 600 a year ago, I also assumed that it would > work. When I saw the note from IBM, I returned the card and bought a Zip > Card instead. > > The Zip Card is really an AHA-1460 and it works fine. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alexander Krumeich > To: ThinkPad List > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 6:26 AM > Subject: ThinkPad 600 & Adaptec AHA1480A > > > > Hi, > > > > today I have bought the Adaptec AHA1480A Ultra SCSI Adapter for my TP600 > > (Pentium 233 MMX). Unfortunately, the card works neither in Linux nor in > > Windows. I assume that it is important to mention that the AHA1480A is a > > CardBus card. > > > > In Windows 95, the PC-Card monitor program does not recognize the card in > > any way, although if I remove the card, the machine beeps twice, as > > usually, when I remove a card. Thus, I reinstalled CardWorks in the hope > > of getting a bit more information than that. However, recognizing the card > > went no further than the "Awaiting PNP Information" message for the > > respective slot. > > > > Upon insertion of the card, Linux writes the following to the > > /var/log/messages file: > > > > Jun 10 15:13:04 leon cardmgr[216]: initializing socket 1 > > Jun 10 15:13:04 leon cardmgr[216]: unsupported card in socket 1 > > Jun 10 15:13:04 leon cardmgr[216]: no product info available > > > > Now the usual question: Does anybody have experience with that particular > > card in a TP600, either Windows or (preferably) Linux? I use Linux 2.2.9 > > accompanied by the PCMCIA Services 3.0.9. Both are, to my knowledge, the > > most up to date versions. > > > > Any hints welcome, of course! > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Alexander > > > > -- > > Alexander Krumeich > > http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ > > > > Never trust a HAL 9000 > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 11:52:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA29850 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13812; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:50:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13615; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13601; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:50:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:50:45 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (tempa61.bf.sover.net [207.136.202.61]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA20041 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906101550.LAA20041@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from tempa61.bf.sover.net [207.136.202.61] 207.136.202.61 Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:38:07 -0400 To: "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: <00c301beb34f$c8763190$1584b3cc@detayls.com> Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 & Adaptec AHA1480A X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >The Zip Card is really an AHA-1460 and it works fine. When I was in the market the Zip card worked only with Widows and support 3 devices with one fixed cable attached. While a real AHA1460 works with other operating systems, supports 7 devices, and has 3 different cables that are removable. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 12:10:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA00158 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15422; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:09:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15254; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15229; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:09:16 -0400 Received: from MACGREGOR (mg132-021.ricochet.net [204.179.132.21]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA11820; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:09:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00e001beb35b$9ed86450$1584b3cc@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , "ThinkPad List" References: <199906101550.LAA20041@pike.sover.net> Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 & Adaptec AHA1480A Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:09:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I don't know about more than 3 devices, since I have only ever used it with 3 but it works fine under NT, which sees it as a 1460. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ThinkPad List Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 8:38 AM Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 & Adaptec AHA1480A > >The Zip Card is really an AHA-1460 and it works fine. > > When I was in the market the Zip card worked only with Widows and support > 3 devices with one fixed cable attached. While a real AHA1460 works with > other operating systems, supports 7 devices, and has 3 different cables > that are removable. > > > _____________ > letoured@sover.net > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 12:16:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA00260 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16168; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:14:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15899; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15875; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (149.174.183.74 -> smtp5.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:14:18 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:14:08 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id MAA20964 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906101613.MAA20964@hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:16:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 & Adaptec AHA1480A List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:38:07 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >>The Zip Card is really an AHA-1460 and it works fine. > >When I was in the market the Zip card worked only with Widows and support >3 devices with one fixed cable attached. While a real AHA1460 works with >other operating systems, supports 7 devices, and has 3 different cables >that are removable. That implies the Zip card is an AHA1450. Which I bought when I got my Yamaha CD-RW unit. Haven't had any trouble with it yet. andrew ------ my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 12:46:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA00675 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19154; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:44:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18992; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18976; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:44:16 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg-20425418-88.ricochet.net [204.254.18.88]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17304; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:43:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "STeve Andre'" , Subject: RE: 2635 LEU to 2635 EAU Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:43:27 -0700 Message-ID: <008901beb360$5d3e5130$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990609152514.008d29e0@pilot.msu.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > Whats the url for this withdrawn thinkpads area? It sounds useful. Allow me to put in a plug for the ThinkPad category I recently put together in the Open Directory: http://dmoz.org/Computers/Hardware/Systems/Laptops/Makes_and_Models/IBM/ You'll find the file you're looking for there, along with lots of other ThinkPad links. -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 13:04:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA00946 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20539; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:03:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20425; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20409; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:03:17 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg-20425418-88.ricochet.net [204.254.18.88]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA20268 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:03:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: Subject: ThinkPads in the Open Directory Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:03:08 -0700 Message-ID: <008a01beb363$1ce05270$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: I recently put together a category in the Open Directory dedicated to ThinkPads. I would like to invite everyone in the list to visit and look around, and add any of your favorite ThinkPad sites that I missed. The category is at: http://dmoz.org/Computers/Hardware/Systems/Laptops/Makes_and_Models/IBM/ with mirrors (updated every few weeks) at: http://directory.netscape.com/Computers/Hardware/Systems/Laptops/Makes_and_M odels/IBM/ http://dir.lycos.com/Computers/Hardware/Systems/Laptops/Makes_and_Models/IBM / and a number of other sites. In that same area of the directory, there are also categories for most other notebook models, but many of them are empty or nearly so. If you know of good sites for other notebooks, please contribute those listings as well. Thanks! For more information about the Open Directory, visit: http://dmoz.org/ and http://dmoz.org/about.html Thanks, and I hope it proves useful, -Mike Looking for a Geary? Hundreds of us at Geary Central: http://Geary.com/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 13:26:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA01213 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22275; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:24:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21971; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21947; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (206.156.118.64 -> www.emailcustomerservice.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:24:28 -0400 Received: from MACGREGOR (macgregor.brightware.com [206.156.118.251]) by ns1.brightware.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA04719; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002501beb366$127d4bf0$fb769cce@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Andrew Webber" , "ThinkPad List" References: <199906101613.MAA20964@hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 & Adaptec AHA1480A Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:24:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: No, the one I have really *is* an AHA-1460. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Webber To: ThinkPad List Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 9:16 AM Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 & Adaptec AHA1480A > On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:38:07 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: > > >>The Zip Card is really an AHA-1460 and it works fine. > > > >When I was in the market the Zip card worked only with Widows and support > >3 devices with one fixed cable attached. While a real AHA1460 works with > >other operating systems, supports 7 devices, and has 3 different cables > >that are removable. > > That implies the Zip card is an AHA1450. Which I bought when I got > my Yamaha CD-RW unit. Haven't had any trouble with it yet. > > > andrew > ------ > my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 18:11:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA04593 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09421; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:09:36 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08963; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:09:35 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id SAA20679 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18099; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:33:32 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26752.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.233]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA15294 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <032701beb35f$7902e350$e956e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: Subject: Re: 200 pin connector for Notebook docking station. Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:37:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: > The ThinkPad list isn't the greatest place to ask a Sager question FWIW I think the reason why this question is being asked in this forum is because this is an IBM Dock II docking station. I wonder if -- even with a 200-pin to 240-pin converter of some sort -- the pin layout has to be considered. From my experience with IBM, they don't seem to enjoy following standards (nor do they set them anymore). Carlos From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 18:35:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA04872 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10927; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:34:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10716; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavo.U.Arizona.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10703; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavo.U.Arizona.EDU (128.196.137.195 -> pavo-1.U.Arizona.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:34:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (rlippse@localhost) by pavo.U.Arizona.EDU (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22523 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:33:39 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:33:39 -0700 (MST) From: Roberta J Lippse To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 755c Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I have a thinkpad 755c, and am trying to install the dimm adapter and dimm chips insead of the IC dram card. It refuses to recognize the memory as usable, even though I have updated the flash bios, etc. I have reloaded the entire machine from scratch 4 times, so that is not it. It recognizes that the dimm memory is there, it just doesn't see it as usable, with or without parity check. The memory was from Simple Technology and I'm sending it back and getting some kingston, because IBM brand is way too high for such an old machine. Has anyone else came up with this type of problem before? If you have, please give me some insight, before the same thing happens with the new memory. Respectfully, Roberta Lippse Support systems Analyst UofA Department of Psychiatry Tucson, Arizona From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 18:46:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA04951 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11846; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:44:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11655; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onlink4.onlink.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11635; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onlink4.onlink.net (206.108.253.68 -> onlink4.onlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:44:30 -0400 Received: from nrba2-82.onlink.net (nrba2-82.onlink.net [207.210.99.211]) by onlink4.onlink.net (8.8.7/) with SMTP id SAA35330 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:44:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199906102244.SAA35330@onlink4.onlink.net> From: "Alex Bell" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:44:35 +0000 Reply-To: "Alex Bell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Part number for 385XD 2635 LEU List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know the part number for a 385XD 2635 LEU system board? Or where I can find out? The local IBM tech put a 380XD 2635 EAU system board in my Thinkpad 385XD, and now they are going to put the correct board back. Not that I don't trust them, but I just want to be sure they get it right this time. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 20:18:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA05677 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15127; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:17:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14933; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14917; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.41 -> mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:17:03 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.254]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990611001656.GJXG19793@dts-jl> for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:16:56 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990610201802.00b938d0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:18:02 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: In the news... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C37627%2C00.html?dd.ne.txt.0610.23 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 22:17:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06397 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19147; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:15:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18921; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18906; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.41 -> mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:15:49 -0400 Received: from 125.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.150.125]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990611021546.IGJS19793@125.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:15:46 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: In the news... Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:14:54 GMT Message-ID: <376170d0.8632594@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19990610201802.00b938d0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990610201802.00b938d0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:18:02 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C37627%2C00.html?dd.ne.txt.0610.23 About friggin' time! They just updated their ultraslim model in Japan - I'm betting the new system is a US version of the 240. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 22:25:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06447 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19854; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:24:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19630; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19591; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:23:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA22297; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:20:23 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Emanuel Brown cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: In the news... In-Reply-To: <376170d0.8632594@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Do you have a URL for the model sold in Japan? TIA On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Emanuel Brown wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:18:02 -0400, Jane Loyless > wrote: > >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C37627%2C00.html?dd.ne.txt.0610.23 > > About friggin' time! They just updated their ultraslim model in Japan - > I'm betting the new system is a US version of the 240. > epbrown > Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 > Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html > Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 22:32:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06528 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20543; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:31:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20270; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20256; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:31:25 -0400 Received: from 93.chicago-21-22rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.156.93]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.06 118-133) with SMTP id <19990611023121.FNLO11711@93.chicago-21-22rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:31:21 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: is I-series considered inferior/bad buy? Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:30:32 GMT Message-ID: <3760745c.399168@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:56:38 -0700 (PDT), Vincent Poy wrote: >Hmmm, it seems according to PC Magazine or was it PC World's >article, Acer made every machine besides the 390 while the 390 was made by >IBM. Just to follow-up, there was a link on the page Jane Loyless posted today to a story about IBM's pursuit of the consumer market. In it, the CEO of ACER says they make the IBM Aptivas and the i series Thinkpads. The URL is http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,37485,00.html?st.ne.ni.rel. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 10 22:57:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06699 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22279; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:56:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22037; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22019; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (207.69.200.32 -> smtp2.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:56:20 -0400 Received: from dts-jl (user-2ivfivp.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.203.249]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA21130 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990610225723.00ac6b20@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:57:23 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: In the news... In-Reply-To: References: <376170d0.8632594@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:20 PM 6/10/99 -0400, rj wrote: >Do you have a URL for the model sold in Japan? > http://www.ibm.co.jp/pc/thinkpad/tp24095/tp24095a.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 04:10:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA08253 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 04:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04973; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 04:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 04:08:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04821; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 04:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04804; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 04:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 04:08:43 -0400 Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen [194.216.44.39]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA12434; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:09:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01419; Fri, 11 Jun 99 09:00:46 BST Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 9:08:58 +0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Roberta J Lippse Subject: Re: Thinkpad 755c Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Yes I have - I have an IBM DIMM and DIMM adapter on a 755C=2E Originally=20= everything was fine, but after a spell in Australia when I left the=20= machine on continually in 30 degree heat, the memory went bad=2E Now it=20= recognises the total of 20MB is there, but gives a parity error in the=20= expansion memory and marks it as unusable=2E Perhaps the electrical spec is marginal - I'd go for the highest speed=20= chip you can get to be on the safe side=2E=2E=2E=2E or take your machine down=20= to the local computer shop and try a few until they work if possible! - Adam P=2ES=2E It's worth it to get the 20MB on, windoze actually runs at a=20= respectable speed=2E ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Thinkpad 755c Author: MIME:Roberta J Lippse at INTERNET Date: 10/06/99 23:45 I have a thinkpad 755c, and am trying to install the dimm adapter and dimm=20= chips insead of the IC dram card=2E It refuses to recognize the memory as=20= usable, even though I have updated the flash bios, etc=2E I have reloaded=20= the entire machine from scratch 4 times, so that is not it=2E It recognizes=20= that the dimm memory is there, it just doesn't see it as usable, with or=20= without parity check=2E The memory was from Simple Technology and I'm=20= sending it back and getting some kingston, because IBM brand is way too=20= high for such an old machine=2E Has anyone else came up with this type of problem before? If you have,=20= please give me some insight, before the same thing happens with the new=20= memory=2E Respectfully, Roberta Lippse Support systems Analyst UofA Department of Psychiatry Tucson, Arizona ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 10:32:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA10415 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26902; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:29:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26605; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26591; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:29:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18865 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:26:18 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: RedHat 6.0 CDROM Load Problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I'm trying to load RedHat 6.0 from a Panasonic KXL-783A CDROM that uses a KXLC003 SCSI host adapter. The boot process gives the error "mount failed: Block device required" followed by "i could not mount a CD on device /dev/scd0". Anyone know what's wrong and what I can do to get the CDROM to function? TIA From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 10:50:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA10569 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28206; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:47:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27975; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stars.cisco.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27962; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stars.cisco.com (171.71.112.28 -> stars.cisco.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:47:26 -0400 Received: from mill.cisco.com (mill.cisco.com [161.44.200.11]) by stars.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA19416; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:46:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: rj cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: RedHat 6.0 CDROM Load Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Off-hand, I'd say that Red Hat doesn't recognize your (I assume) PCMCIA SCSI controller. In a nutshell, you've probably got problems -- I suggest heading over to Red Hat's site and looking for their supported HW list (it's there somewhere). Ken D'Ambrosio SysAdmin, Cisco Systems, Inc. On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, rj wrote: > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:26:18 -0400 (EDT) > From: rj > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: RedHat 6.0 CDROM Load Problems > > I'm trying to load RedHat 6.0 from a Panasonic KXL-783A CDROM that > uses a KXLC003 SCSI host adapter. The boot process gives the error > "mount failed: Block device required" followed by "i could not mount > a CD on device /dev/scd0". > > Anyone know what's wrong and what I can do to get the CDROM to > function? > > TIA > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 12:11:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA11307 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03421; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:09:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03294; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omecihuatl.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03271; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omecihuatl.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (131.173.17.35 -> omecihuatl.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:09:40 -0400 Received: from leon.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (dia57.modem.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.251.249]) by omecihuatl.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20974; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:09:26 +0200 Received: from localhost (krumeich@localhost) by leon.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA01455; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:58:19 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: leon.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de: krumeich owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:58:19 +0200 (MEST) From: Alexander Krumeich Reply-To: Alexander Krumeich To: "David W. Taylor" cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 & Adaptec AHA1480A In-Reply-To: <00d801beb356$d5e6baa0$1584b3cc@detayls.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: David, > I may have misspoken. After I sent this I went to the IBM Support site and > searched for "1480." This article came up. This is a change since last > year, when I tried it. And it worked. I installed the BIOS dated 5-12-99 and voil\`a, it worked. Now the SCSI adapter is detected in Windows. Most unfortunately, the Linux situation has not improved. The adapter is still unrecognized by the PCMCIA subsystem. I hope that David Hinds is going to implement a driver for this particular card. CU, Alexander > TP 380,385,560,600,770 - Some CardBus adapters will not configure properly > Applicable Countries > World-Wide > Service Hints & Tips > > SYMPTOM: > The CardBus adapter will not configure properly. > > CONFIGURATION: > This issue is only seen with the following cards used on IBM ThinkPad 380x, > 385x, 560x, 600, and 770x: > > Adaptec 1480 SCSI (not the 1480A) > Melco IFC-UC CardBus Ultra SCSI Adapter > Noteworthy Video Conferencing CardBus Card > Madge Token Ring CardBus Adapter (20-02) > SMC 8032 CardBus Ethernet Adapter > Ositech 10/100 Ethernet/56K Combo CardBus Adapter > Ositech 10/100 Base TX Fast Ethernet CardBus Trumpcard 7 of Spades > > These cards will not configure on ThinkPads using the TI1250 CardBus > controller chip. > > SOLUTION: > 1. Upgrade the Thinkpad to the latest level of BIOS. > > 2. Install the new Thinkpad Utility program. > a. Obtain the latest level of the Thinkpad Utility, Utility Data Disk 1, and > DOS Personalization diskettes. > b. Double click on Add/Remove Programs icon (Start->Settings->Control Panel) > c. Scroll down and click on Thinkpad Utility. > d. Click the Add/Remove button. > d. Check the 'delete all files' box and click OK. > e. Click OK to restart the system. > f. Insert the Thinkpad Utility disk in the floppy drive > g. At the Run line (Start->Run...) type a:\setup > h. Follow the instructions to load the new Thinkpad Utility program. > > 3. Disable the PCI Bus Power Management feature > a. Double click on the Power icon (Start->Settings->Control Panel) > b. Click on the Advanced Settings tab > c. Click on the pull down box next to PCI Bus Power Management > d. Change the setting from Automatic to Disable. > e. Click OK -- Alexander Krumeich http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ Never trust a HAL 9000 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 12:36:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA11585 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05879; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:33:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05566; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05545; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906111632.MAA05545@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (128.95.79.96 -> tokeru.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:32:42 -0400 Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Sat, 10 Jun 1989 9:30:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad" Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:32:45 +0000 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: problems on 6.4 gig drive List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, 3 months ago I purchased a 6.4 gig IBM drive from Bill Morrow. I've been trying to install operating systems off and on since then, in between getting work done with my old drive. What I'm trying to do is make the first gig games+windows95, then a logical partition with 2 gigs for warp and 3.4 gigs for linux. I'm trying to use boot manager, but I don't think that is the issue. When I load Linux (RH5.2 or 6.0) I get an error at the end saying it can't install boot loader. Is this that 1024 cylindar issue? I installed the bios that came with the new drive, and I can access the entire drive with not probs in the ultra-super-mega-slim-bay. Any tips? Thanks, -Victor ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 13:24:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12040 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08744; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:21:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08498; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08476; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (204.182.16.2 -> tdl.tdl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:21:29 -0400 Received: from chuck (tdl-dyn206.tdl.com [205.162.12.206]) by tdl.tdl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA30081 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:21:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199906111721.KAA30081@tdl.tdl.com> From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:21:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: If you want a laugh... Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) List-Unsubscribe: If you want a laugh, take a look at this so called "ThinkPad" for auction at http://auctions.yahoo.com/auction/4942834 Caveat emptor indeed! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 13:31:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12105 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09604; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:28:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09240; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09225; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:28:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11576; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:25:03 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Chuck Blaisdell cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: If you want a laugh... In-Reply-To: <199906111721.KAA30081@tdl.tdl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I wonder when IBM configured a 701 with a P60. On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > If you want a laugh, take a look at this so called "ThinkPad" > for auction at > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/auction/4942834 > > Caveat emptor indeed! > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 14:23:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA12734 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13789; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:19:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12950; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12915; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (207.69.200.31 -> smtp1.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:18:57 -0400 Received: from tp770 (pool-209-138-38-206.irvn.grid.net [209.138.38.206]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08799 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004401beb437$04b19360$fa248ad1@tp770> From: "James" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: If you want a laugh... Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:19:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: And it looks more like a NEC than IBM laptop. -----Original Message----- From: rj To: Chuck Blaisdell Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 10:28 AM Subject: Re: If you want a laugh... >I wonder when IBM configured a 701 with a P60. > >On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > >> If you want a laugh, take a look at this so called "ThinkPad" >> for auction at >> >> http://auctions.yahoo.com/auction/4942834 >> >> Caveat emptor indeed! >> >> > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 14:39:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13004 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15432; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:37:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15087; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the-twist.crosslink.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15064; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the-twist.crosslink.net (206.246.124.74 -> the-twist.crosslink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:37:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 32295 invoked from network); 11 Jun 1999 18:37:05 -0000 Received: from dyn03.c5200-1.middlesex.248.crosslink.net (HELO mheaster) (206.246.116.196) by the-twist.crosslink.net with SMTP; 11 Jun 1999 18:37:05 -0000 Message-ID: <001101beb439$6785a560$9b0b010a@mheaster.essi.com> From: "Mark H. Easter" To: Subject: THINKPAD 360C POWER PROBLEMS Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:37:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BEB417.DF583520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BEB417.DF583520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have 3 ThinkPad 360C at work (purchased used). All three have similiar problems w/batteries. They indicate a fully = charged battery, (Charger light will go off after approx. 2 hours; = Battery light goes green) but will beep and suspend after less than ten = minutes and not awake from suspend until I plug in the AC adapter. I = can then measure the battery voltage and it's still 9.5 - 10 Volts DC. = ALL power management software is disabled. HOW can I fully discarge = them to attempt over a period of time to reverse their apparent memory = of a very short cycle? Any suggestions appreciated! I have a pretty good technical background but very little documentation = on these computers. I don't want to purchase replacement batteries = ($97.50) if they will not fix my problem! Mark easter@crosslink.net =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BEB417.DF583520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have 3 ThinkPad 360C at work = (purchased=20 used).
 
All three have similiar problems=20 w/batteries.  They indicate a fully charged battery, (Charger light = will go=20 off after approx. 2 hours; Battery light goes green) but will beep and = suspend=20 after less than ten minutes and not awake from suspend until I plug in = the AC=20 adapter.  I can then measure the battery voltage and it's still 9.5 = - 10=20 Volts DC.  ALL power management software is disabled.  HOW can = I fully=20 discarge them to attempt over a period of time to reverse their apparent = memory=20 of a very short cycle?
 
Any suggestions = appreciated!
 
I have a pretty good technical = background but=20 very little documentation on these computers.  I don't want to = purchase=20 replacement batteries ($97.50) if they will not fix my = problem!
 
 
Mark
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BEB417.DF583520-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 14:41:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13037 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15772; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:39:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15319; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15304; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:39:01 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-429.gate.net [199.227.173.175]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA325624; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:40:30 -0400 Message-ID: <376157B0.80E8EF59@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:38:40 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rj CC: Chuck Blaisdell , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: If you want a laugh... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: or a touch pad..!! FWIW: i have bid on several motorola startac cell phones on ebay.. so far, none of the sellers were anything more than crooks who wanted me to send them $$ first..!! rj wrote: > I wonder when IBM configured a 701 with a P60. > > On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > > > If you want a laugh, take a look at this so called "ThinkPad" > > for auction at > > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/auction/4942834 > > > > Caveat emptor indeed! > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 14:46:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13096 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16349; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:42:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15894; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15881; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:42:03 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-429.gate.net [199.227.173.175]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA403996; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:43:27 -0400 Message-ID: <37615862.9E2CE64@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:41:38 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Kress CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: problems on 6.4 gig drive References: <199906111632.MAA05545@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Victor.. but the drive is ok..?! :-) Victor Kress wrote: > Hi all, > > 3 months ago I purchased a 6.4 gig IBM drive from Bill Morrow. I've been trying to > install operating systems off and on since then, in between getting work done with my > old drive. What I'm trying to do is make the first gig games+windows95, then a logical > partition with 2 gigs for warp and 3.4 gigs for linux. I'm trying to use boot manager, but I > don't think that is the issue. When I load Linux (RH5.2 or 6.0) I get an error at the end > saying it can't install boot loader. Is this that 1024 cylindar issue? I installed the bios > that came with the new drive, and I can access the entire drive with not probs in the > ultra-super-mega-slim-bay. Any tips? > > Thanks, > -Victor > > ________________________________ > Victor Kress > Geological Sciences > Box 351310 > University of Washington > Seattle, Washington > 98195-1310 > > (206)616-8512 > kress@u.washington.edu -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 14:51:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13184 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17462; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:48:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17103; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17077; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906111848.OAA17077@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (128.95.79.96 -> tokeru.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:48:45 -0400 Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Sat, 10 Jun 1989 11:45:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Thinkpad" Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:48:19 +0000 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: problems on 6.4 gig drive List-Unsubscribe: Yes, I'm sure the drive is fine, as I can read and write to it without probs. This is an OS/personal ignorance problem. Just to make sure your name isn't besmirched, I'll CC this reply to the list :). I'm happy with the drive and the price. -Victor On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:41:38 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Victor.. >but the drive is ok..?! :-) > -- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 14:56:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13247 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18064; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:53:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17784; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17771; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:53:43 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01896; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37615B33.69D85CC8@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:53:39 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Kress CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: problems on 6.4 gig drive References: <199906111632.MAA05545@CS.UTK.EDU> <37615862.9E2CE64@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ah, I have seen something like this with a drive in my ultraslimbay. It seems that if the very same drive is in the main bay, the CHS (cylinders, heads, sectors) is renumbered so that it has 1024 cylinders. If I put it in the ultraslimbay, it has more than 1024 cylinders. It seems the BIOS doesn't do the renumbering for the ultraslimbay. If you do the math and decrease cylinders to 1024 with a correspond increase in heads, and tell linux the CHS values on the LILO prompt, I think you can get Linux to come up in the ultraslimbay. Once you get it up, you can put the CHS values in /etc/lilo.conf so you won't need them for every boot. However, note that it will label the drive /dev/hdb instead of /dev/hda, so you'd have to fix that if you were to ever move this drive to the main bay. Because of all this complication, I generally swap drives in and out of my main bay if I am experimenting. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 15:03:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA13386 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18933; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:02:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18810; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18764; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.211 -> slip-32-100-39-211.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:02:33 -0400 Message-ID: <00b401beb43e$a35ce9e0$d3276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Victor Kress" Cc: "Thinkpad" References: <199906111632.MAA05545@CS.UTK.EDU> <37615862.9E2CE64@icanect.net> Subject: Re: problems on 6.4 gig drive Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:14:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Victor Kress wrote: > Victor, On which TP are you trying to install Linux? Don > > Hi all, > > > > 3 months ago I purchased a 6.4 gig IBM drive from Bill Morrow. I've been trying to > > install operating systems off and on since then, in between getting work done with my > > old drive. What I'm trying to do is make the first gig games+windows95, then a logical > > partition with 2 gigs for warp and 3.4 gigs for linux. I'm trying to use boot manager, but I > > don't think that is the issue. When I load Linux (RH5.2 or 6.0) I get an error at the end > > saying it can't install boot loader. Is this that 1024 cylindar issue? I installed the bios > > that came with the new drive, and I can access the entire drive with not probs in the > > ultra-super-mega-slim-bay. Any tips? > > > > Thanks, > > -Victor > > > > ________________________________ > > Victor Kress > > Geological Sciences > > Box 351310 > > University of Washington > > Seattle, Washington > > 98195-1310 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 16:44:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA14985 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24448; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:41:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24110; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ttmail.translator.se (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24094; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ttmail.translator.se (193.15.238.199 -> ttmail.translator.se) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:41:27 -0400 Received: by TTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:41:22 +0200 Message-ID: <110EC9FAA9D0D2118D7A00A0C9A0E3463366@TTMAIL> From: Anders F Eriksson To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 600E weird noises... Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:41:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: When typing certain key combinations, such as CD, XS or ZA (in capitals) the Thinkpad makes a strange noise from the speaker. I haven't been able to find anything about it in the documentation, so I hope someone on the list might have an idea why it sounds. Regards, Anders F Eriksson From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 16:45:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA15003 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24643; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:43:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24295; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24277; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (198.137.169.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:43:03 -0400 Received: by localhost.zydacron.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:51:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Bourdon, Bruce" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: blue screen when lid closed... Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:51:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Occasionally my Thinkpad 770 gets the Win95 "Blue Screen" when I close the lid - thereby preventing it from entering the suspended mode. It occurs infrequently enough that I start to think the problem has "fixed itself" until I either notice the LEDs not in proper mode or I open the unit up to find it waiting with the blue screen. The message is: Invalid VxD dynamic link call from SSPCCRDX(03) + 00001d33 to device "33A7", service 1. Your Windows configuration is invalid. Run the Windows setup program to correct this problem. I have only owned this system for one week, noticed it after a few days but not sure what installed software could be responsible. I would rather not re-run the "Windows setup program" if it means having to reload everthing else (and get everything working again...). Any ideas? Bruce. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 16:51:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA15051 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25533; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:49:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25272; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25258; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (198.137.169.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:49:22 -0400 Received: by localhost.zydacron.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:46:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Bourdon, Bruce" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: blue screen when lid closed... Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:46:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Occasionally my Thinkpad 770 gets the Win95 "Blue Screen" when I close the lid - thereby preventing it from entering the suspended mode. It occurs infrequently enough that I start to think the problem has "fixed itself" until I either notice the LEDs not in proper mode or I open the unit up to find it waiting with the blue screen. The message is: Invalid VxD dynamic link call from SSPCCRDX(03) + 00001d33 to device "33A7", service 1. Your Windows configuration is invalid. Run the Windows setup program to correct this problem. I have only owned this system for one week, noticed it after a few days but not sure what installed software could be responsible. I would rather not re-run the "Windows setup program" if it means having to reload everthing else (and get everything working again...). Any ideas? I'd appreciate reading your thoughts. Bruce. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 20:45:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA17472 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03730; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:43:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03570; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03557; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:43:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:43:54 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a16.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.16]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA08762 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906120043.UAA08762@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a16.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.16] 209.198.80.16 Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:33:10 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <110EC9FAA9D0D2118D7A00A0C9A0E3463366@TTMAIL> Subject: Re: TP 600E weird noises... X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >When typing certain key combinations, such as CD, XS or ZA (in capitals) >the Thinkpad makes a strange noise from the speaker. I haven't been able >to find anything about it in the documentation, so I hope someone on the >list might have an idea why it sounds. I sometimes hear strange sounds when the spell checker in an old DOS wordprocessor finds an error. It doesn't do it all the time, so I can't figure out what the combination of things is that causes it, but it seems to be normal -- at least in the context of 600E operating normally. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 21:04:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA17606 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04586; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:02:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04428; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from passnotes.share.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04415; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:02:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from passnotes.share.org (192.111.120.12 -> passnotes.share.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:02:49 -0400 Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 8625678E.0005CDAE ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:03:23 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SHARE INC To: Anders F Eriksson cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <8625678E.0005CD4B.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:02:33 -0500 Subject: Re: TP 600E weird noises... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: It has to do with a feature called "n-key rollover", and has to do with the fact that keyboard controllers don't talk to the individual keys (with a pair of wires each). The keys are wired and scanned in a matrix. If you don't let go of a certain number (or combination) of keys, the keyboard controller gets confused about what is actually being depressed and in this case complains with a beep. Just abuot all keyboards have similar restricitions. In some of the older ones, multiple ghost keystrokes would be generated (i.e. the kb controller was fooled). For instance, on my tp560, the speaker beeps if i press (and dont release) asdfg or azx. The only cure is to learn to type with a lighter touch (Just let go ;-). Rich Chong >When typing certain key combinations, such as CD, XS or ZA (in capitals) the Thinkpad makes a strange noise from the speaker. I haven't been able to find anything about it in the documentation, so I hope someone on the list might have an idea why it sounds. Regards, Anders F Eriksson From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 21:36:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA17988 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06163; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:34:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05927; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05885; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:34:27 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-333.gate.net [199.227.173.79]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA215826; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:36:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3761B91A.AB01B8AE@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:34:18 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rich_Chong@mail.share.org CC: Anders F Eriksson , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600E weird noises... References: <8625678E.0005CD4B.00@passnotes.share.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: AND, the buffer might be filled up, thus any further keypress is converted to a beep... could be caused by some misbehaved app soaking up all cpu time and thus the keyboard buffes fills up with unprocessed characters... or, in the words of that great computer engineer Spike Jones, when the frammis cam intersects the reticulated copperoptus, all hell gunna break loose.. :-) Rich_Chong@mail.share.org wrote: > It has to do with a feature called "n-key rollover", and has to do with the fact > that keyboard controllers don't talk to the individual keys (with a pair of > wires each). The keys are wired and scanned in a matrix. If you don't let go of > a certain number (or combination) of keys, the keyboard controller gets confused > about what is actually being depressed and in this case complains with a beep. > Just abuot all keyboards have similar restricitions. In some of the older ones, > multiple ghost keystrokes would be generated (i.e. the kb controller was > fooled). For instance, on my tp560, the speaker beeps if i press (and dont > release) asdfg or azx. The only cure is to learn to type with a lighter touch > (Just let go ;-). > > Rich Chong > > >When typing certain key combinations, such as CD, XS or ZA (in capitals) the > Thinkpad makes a strange noise from the speaker. I haven't been able to find > anything about it in the documentation, so I hope someone on the list might > have an idea why it sounds. > > Regards, > > Anders F Eriksson -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 22:44:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18398 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08772; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:43:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08662; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08649; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:43:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA05906 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:39:34 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: A new TP600??? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hear a rumor today the there is a TP600 in the wings with a P2-400 chip and a 10+GB HDD and due out this summer. Anyone else heard of such? I suppose this will be no more available than the current P2-366 :( FWIW this was from a CDW sales person. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 11 22:52:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18432 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09426; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:51:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09285; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09264; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:51:31 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04023 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3761CB2A.5C568C51@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:51:22 -0400 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: A new TP600??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well, the 10GB disk is an upgrade option now, and a P2-400 will be at best 10% faster than a P2-366. If only they would come out with a TP600 with 1280x1024! --Lee From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 12 00:02:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA18685 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11457; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:01:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11304; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11291; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:01:18 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-128.gate.net [199.227.20.191]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA70886; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:03:03 -0400 Message-ID: <3761DB88.9349B712@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:01:12 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rj CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: A new TP600??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Most likely true.. i've heard nothing about such a thing, but the timing seems correct.. watch the intel mobil chip introduction schedule.. >>If only they would come out with a TP600 with 1280x1024<< possible too, in light of the likely 15 inch 77x display thats supposed to be coming.. rj wrote: > Hear a rumor today the there is a TP600 in the wings with a P2-400 chip > and a 10+GB HDD and due out this summer. Anyone else heard of such? I > suppose this will be no more available than the current P2-366 :( > FWIW this was from a CDW sales person. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 12 01:48:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA19208 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14189; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:47:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14022; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14009; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (207.69.200.33 -> smtp3.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:47:50 -0400 Received: from WilliamArmstrong (user-2ivea1p.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.40.57]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA01066 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad list" Subject: RE: A new TP600??? Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:47:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3761CB2A.5C568C51@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Here, here! Once you have 1280x1024, there's no going back! You may need a pair of glasses, though. -Bill Armstrong TP770Z ( and glasses) -----Original Message----- From: Lee Hetherington [mailto:ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu] Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 10:51 PM To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: A new TP600??? Well, the 10GB disk is an upgrade option now, and a P2-400 will be at best 10% faster than a P2-366. If only they would come out with a TP600 with 1280x1024! --Lee From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 12 03:42:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA19758 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 03:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18019; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 03:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 03:41:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17870; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 03:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17857; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 03:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (195.174.27.3 -> home.egenet.com.tr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 03:41:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (turgut@localhost) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA32680; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:43:31 +0400 (EET DST) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:43:30 +0400 (EET DST) From: Turgut Kalfaoglu To: "Bourdon, Bruce" cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: blue screen when lid closed... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Bourdon, Bruce wrote: > Occasionally my Thinkpad 770 gets the Win95 "Blue Screen" when I close the > lid - thereby preventing it from entering the suspended mode. It occurs Yep, my Windows98 on TP600 just went crazy as well; saying something like 'not a script object, are you sure you want to run it?' on every icon I move the mouse over to :) The Linux on the other partition is still humming happily.. -turgut ----- Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 12 11:54:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21685 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03338; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:52:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03189; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03176; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (207.69.200.31 -> smtp1.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:52:47 -0400 Received: from tp770 (pool-209-138-37-154.irvn.grid.net [209.138.37.154]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA31735 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901beb4eb$c600ad80$9a258ad1@tp770> From: "James" To: "Thinkpad" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 Subject: Question about Rain? X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 08:53:43 -0700 List-Unsubscribe: Rain has two settings. One with the icon with blue peak on the ciruit while one without. What are the differences? Thanks From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 12 12:22:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA21854 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04762; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:21:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04609; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom15.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04594; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom15.netcom.com (192.100.81.128 -> netcom15.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:21:30 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom15.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA24233 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:21:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199906121621.JAA24233@netcom15.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: problems on 6.4 gig drive List-Unsubscribe: 3 months ago I purchased a 6.4 gig IBM drive from Bill Morrow. I've been trying to install operating systems off and on since then, in between getting work done with my old drive. What I'm trying to do is make the first gig games+windows95, then a logical partition with 2 gigs for warp and 3.4 gigs for linux. I'm trying to use boot manager, but I don't think that is the issue. When I load Linux (RH5.2 or 6.0) I get an error at the end saying it can't install boot loader. Is this that 1024 cylindar issue? I installed the bios that came with the new drive, and I can access the entire drive with not probs in the ultra-super-mega-slim-bay. Any tips? You can only boot from the first 1 GB of the drive. I'm not sure if that's a Lilo limitation or something more inherent. Basically you should make your first two partitions (the boot partitions for Warp and Linux) fit in the first 1 GB. Put the rest of your data into additional partitions. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 12 12:49:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA22002 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05703; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:48:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05560; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.pa.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05547; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.pa.msu.edu (35.8.48.77 -> pads1.pa.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:48:14 -0400 Received: from pa.msu.edu (senna.pa.msu.edu [35.8.50.35]) by mail.pa.msu.edu (SMI-8.6/MSU-2.11pa-sol251-2) id MAA24098; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:48:11 -0400 Message-ID: <37629481.75FE7AD@pa.msu.edu> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 13:10:25 -0400 From: Tom Rockwell Organization: MSUHEP X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Network card problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a 560x with a linksys 10/100bT (non Cardbus) ethernet card, and am running WinNT. Until a couple days ago, networking has worked well. I didn't use the network for a few days during which time I installed the IR drives and setup IR hot syncing with a Palm Pilot. (I don't know if this is related to the problems.) The problem that I observe is that the computer won't grab packets off the net. Other than this it seems fine :-O There are no warning messages, the lights are on one the dongle (and on the hub I plug into), etc. I've looked to see if it puts packets out and it does! I can boot the thing up, and tell it to get a DHCP address and it will spit 1 bootp packet out to the net. It seems to stop spitting packets out after the first one. I have two installations of NT (and a copy of the NT installation CD) on the machine; this is handy at times like this since I don't have a CD... I've completely reinstalled the backup NT and still have the same problem. This morning I got a brand new ethernet card (same type) and still seem to have the same problem (I haven't verified that it will spit out any packets though). I have tried both with and without the card wizard software. I've messed around a bit with changing (basically randomly) the IRQ, base I/O address and memory window. Changing these seems to either not have an effect of make the machine hang. I've tried using assigned IP numbers, and have tried it on two networks. I think I'll try installing Linux over my spare NT. Help! If you have any ideas, I appreciate them, please cc: to me since I get the digest... thanks, Tom Rockwell From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 12 15:13:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22956 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02616; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:09:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02424; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.pa.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02411; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.pa.msu.edu (35.8.48.77 -> pads1.pa.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:09:21 -0400 Received: from pa.msu.edu (senna.pa.msu.edu [35.8.50.35]) by mail.pa.msu.edu (SMI-8.6/MSU-2.11pa-sol251-2) id PAA29187; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:09:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3762B593.4D510102@pa.msu.edu> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:31:31 -0400 From: Tom Rockwell Organization: MSUHEP X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Network card problems - more Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: re: my previous post about my network troubles with NT on my 560x. I've just run the linux ftp install past the point where it connects to the ftp server... So I evidently don't have a hardware problem. So what could be wrong? I reinstalled NT4 on a freshly formatted partition but my networking problems persisted. Arg - I'm in the middle of a project and have a bunch of stuff on this machine - I really just want to have NT limp through. When the project is over I'll do the Windows 2000 upgrade - that is, NT4 will be out and Linux is in. -Tom From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 12 16:12:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA23265 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04790; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:11:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04700; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04685; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:11:03 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pC19F084A.dip.t-online.de [193.159.8.74]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id LZC4PDAY; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:08:47 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RedHat Linux 6.0 - sorry, off topic Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:10:52 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Hi everyone, I'm sorry I'm writing with an off-topic question, but this was briefly discussed in this list a few weeks ago and since I just deleted all those Emails, I no longer have the ones I am looking for. Could someone tell me (again) where I can find RedHat Linux 6.0 - without documentation. I just want the CDs - I think someone mentioned it was going for somewhere around $3... Thanks, Steve snfettig@hillsdale.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 12 17:10:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23511 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06329; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:09:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06197; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06183; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:08:57 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pD4B88981.dip.t-online.de [212.184.137.129]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id LZC4PDBM; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:06:40 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: Off-Topic Question - Linux Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:08:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Sorry to all for any inconvenience, but I just found what I was looking for - cheapbytes.com Steve snfettig@hillsdale.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 12 22:37:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA26007 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12934; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:36:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12783; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.njcc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12769; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.njcc.com (165.254.117.52 -> pluto.njcc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:36:29 -0400 Received: from hermit (ts4-239.njcc.com [199.224.2.239]) by pluto.njcc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA25809 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Christopher B. Sink" To: Subject: Where to get cheap hd for thinkpad? Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:07:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000601beb545$49f338c0$09fb0ec0@hermit> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hello all- Just looking for suggestions on where to get a larger hard drive for my 385XD. Looking for the best price on something 5G or more. What kind of specs do I need to be aware of for use with this laptop? Thanks in advance, Christopher From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 13 01:56:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA27167 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01398; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:54:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01201; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01188; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (206.127.32.35 -> tam.dorsai.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:54:07 -0400 Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (higgins@amanda.dorsai.org [206.127.32.130]) by tam.dorsai.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA02674; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:58:16 -0400 (EDT) From: John Higgins Received: (higgins@localhost) by amanda.dorsai.org (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA16746; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906130558.BAA16746@amanda.dorsai.org> Subject: Re: Question about Rain? To: orialv21@mindspring.com (James) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:58:15 -0400 (edt) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad list) In-Reply-To: <000901beb4eb$c600ad80$9a258ad1@tp770> from "James" at Jun 12, 99 08:53:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Blue is cooling, red is letting the CPU do whatever it wants, I believe. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John M. Higgins Broadcasting & Cable Magazine higgins@dorsai.org v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > Rain has two settings. One with the icon with blue peak on the ciruit while > one without. What are the differences? > > Thanks > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 13 03:28:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA27803 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 03:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05935; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 03:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 03:27:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05790; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 03:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05777; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 03:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 03:27:28 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-441.gate.net [199.227.173.187]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA175774; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 03:29:13 -0400 Message-ID: <37635D5A.F5A6A92A@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 03:27:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steven N. Fettig" CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: RedHat Linux 6.0 - sorry, off topic References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: heres the pertinent info.. ***BEGIN*** go to www.lsl.com You can order the CD for under $10 bucks. But there are no books other than the install guide on the CD. Or if you have a fast connection you can download it for FREE at ftp.redhat.com (from steven fettig, 12-jun-99) ***END*** Steven N. Fettig wrote: > Hi everyone, > I'm sorry I'm writing with an off-topic question, but this was briefly > discussed in this list a few weeks ago and since I just deleted all those > Emails, I no longer have the ones I am looking for. Could someone tell me > (again) where I can find RedHat Linux 6.0 - without documentation. I just > want the CDs - I think someone mentioned it was going for somewhere around > $3... > > Thanks, > Steve > snfettig@hillsdale.edu -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 13 08:15:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA28632 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18527; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:14:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18347; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18334; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:14:14 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08079; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3763A084.612171A7@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:13:56 -0400 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: problems on 6.4 gig drive References: <199906121621.JAA24233@netcom15.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul Rubin wrote: > You can only boot from the first 1 GB of the drive. I'm not sure if > that's a Lilo limitation or something more inherent. Basically you > should make your first two partitions (the boot partitions for Warp > and Linux) fit in the first 1 GB. Put the rest of your data into > additional partitions. This is very definitely not true. I have a 6.4GB drive with Linux on the last 1.5GB. It all comes down to 1024 cylinders, not GB. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 13 08:17:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA28643 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18829; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:16:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18643; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18630; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:15:58 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08097; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3763A0E7.B690427@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:15:35 -0400 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: rj , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: A new TP600??? References: <3761DB88.9349B712@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow wrote: > >>If only they would come out with a TP600 with 1280x1024<< > possible too, in light of the likely 15 inch 77x display thats supposed to > be coming.. But I don't want larger than 13.3"! 15" would significantly affect the footprint of the 600. (I had a 14.1" 770 before and it was a behemoth.) --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 13 09:41:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28890 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20621; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:39:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20517; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20490; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (212.126.144.6 -> scrabble.freeuk.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:38:39 -0400 Received: from [212.126.146.48] (helo=du-005-0048.freeuk.com) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 10tAT5-00044F-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:38:36 +0000 From: nickdixon@bigfoot.com (Nick Dixon) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: win 98 hibernation? Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:37:36 GMT Reply-To: nickdixon@bigfoot.com Message-ID: <3763b3bf.77135117@relay.freeuk.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Hi there, I was about to convert my C drive to fat32 when I got a message saying that my computer had detected a hibernation file - and should check before proceeding... Can anyone tell me what I should do here? I have a 380XD. Thanks, Nick -- ------------------------------------------------ THE DAILY DAMON: http://www.thedailydamon.clara.net Damon Hill...news...gossip...interviews...results ------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 13 13:26:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA00231 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25714; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:25:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25535; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot014.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25522; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot014.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.114 -> pilot014.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:24:58 -0400 Received: from andres (pm451-18.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.76]) by pilot014.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA30192 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:24:54 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990613132713.008dacd0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:27:13 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: problems on 6.4 gig drive In-Reply-To: <3763A084.612171A7@sls.lcs.mit.edu> References: <199906121621.JAA24233@netcom15.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: OK, that makes sense. An artifact of the BIOS and how the number of bits reserved for the cylinder count yet again nips us in the rear. Thanks for that--it explains a problem I recently had. STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 08:13 AM 6/13/99 -0400, Lee Hetherington wrote: >Paul Rubin wrote: > >> You can only boot from the first 1 GB of the drive. I'm not sure if >> that's a Lilo limitation or something more inherent. Basically you >> should make your first two partitions (the boot partitions for Warp >> and Linux) fit in the first 1 GB. Put the rest of your data into >> additional partitions. > >This is very definitely not true. I have a 6.4GB drive with Linux on the last >1.5GB. It all comes down to 1024 cylinders, not GB. > >--Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 13 14:01:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA00436 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26800; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:59:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26616; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-img-9.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26603; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-img-9.compuserve.com (149.174.206.139 -> dub-img-9.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:59:52 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by dub-img-9.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.19) id NAA10334 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:59:25 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: MWave playing up Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <199906131359_MC2-7936-72B2@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I have a 755cx with MWave vrs2.25. I set the modem speed at 33,600 but ov= er a period of time I have been contiinually getting DISCIM errors. Basically, if you attempt to do anything while online, such as have two browser windows active (Netscape 3), and switch between them, then the = modem crashes. It does the same when using Forte Agent and switching between tasks... I have 40Mb of RAM and a reasonable swap file. Any ideas? I have tried to install a Xircom 56k Global Access PC modem to relieve th= e load on MWave, but that freezes out everything - including cursor movemen= t - when downloading packets, so is actually, twice as slow...? Any thought= s there? Cheers From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 13 14:02:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA00444 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27113; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:00:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26838; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hil-img-8.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26766; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hil-img-8.compuserve.com (149.174.177.138 -> hil-img-8.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:00:36 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.19) id OAA12894 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:00:22 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Copy of: MWave playing up Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <199906131400_MC2-7936-72C8@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: - Hi, I have a 755cx with MWave vrs2.25. I set the modem speed at 33,600 but ov= er a period of time I have been contiinually getting DISCIM errors. Basically, if you attempt to do anything while online, such as have two browser windows active (Netscape 3), and switch between them, then the = modem crashes. It does the same when using Forte Agent and switching between tasks... I have 40Mb of RAM and a reasonable swap file. Any ideas? I have tried to install a Xircom 56k Global Access PC modem to relieve th= e load on MWave, but that freezes out everything - including cursor movemen= t - when downloading packets, so is actually, twice as slow...? Any thought= s there? Cheers From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 13 16:04:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA01212 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00411; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:02:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00209; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shakti.slis.indiana.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00195; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shakti.slis.indiana.edu (129.79.33.57 -> shakti.slis.indiana.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:02:02 -0400 Received: by shakti.slis.indiana.edu (Postfix, from userid 8489) id 8C5A5A903; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 15:02:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 15:02:00 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: jfieber@shakti.slis.indiana.edu To: Nick Dixon Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: win 98 hibernation? In-Reply-To: <3763b3bf.77135117@relay.freeuk.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: jfieber@shakti.slis.indiana.edu List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 13 Jun 1999, Nick Dixon wrote: > I was about to convert my C drive to fat32 when I got a message saying > > that my computer had detected a hibernation file - and should check > before proceeding... Hibernation file must be on a FAT partition according to all docs I've seen. Either leave C FAT or make a dedicated hibernation partition (what I did...rest of the disk is NTFS). -john From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 13 16:19:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA01303 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00969; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:18:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00864; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00851; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (200.0.213.47) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:18:40 -0400 Received: from pcleandro ([200.0.213.36]) by dialup.com.ar (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA13780; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:23:44 -0300 From: "Leandro Rzezak" To: "Rob Bell" , , Subject: RE: Direct Cable Connection Woes Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:20:47 -0300 Message-ID: <000701beb5da$38cdec30$65a08c84@pcleandro.sauken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <19990609180528.719.qmail@www0p.netaddress.usa.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id QAA00969 I'm wouting this from MS knowledgebase Q188167. Bye, Leandro. SYMPTOMS When you try to establish a connection between a Windows 95 and a Windows= 98 computer using Direct Cable Connection, you may be unable to connect. CAUSE This behavior can occur when you use the default protocols installed by Windows 95 and Windows 98. By default, Windows 95 installs the NetBEUI protocol and the IPX/SPX protocol. However, Windows 98 installs only Transport Control Protocol/Internet Protocol (TCP/IP). Since Direct Cable Connection requires that the same protocol be installed on both computers= , you are unable to connect. RESOLUTION To connect and share resources between two computers running Windows 95 o= r Windows 98 using Direct Cable Connection, you should have the following components installed: Client for Microsoft Networks File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks The same protocol installed on both computers > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Bell [mailto:rbell1@netscape.net] > Sent: Mi=E9rcoles 9 de Junio de 1999 15:05 > To: Leandro Rzezak; chrys@addr.com; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Direct Cable Connection Woes > > > To clarify, you need at least ONE of those protocols set up and configu= red > correctly, and that protocol must exist on both computers. There > is no need > to run all three protocols. Running extra protocols adds overhead to t= he > system and can cause degraded performance, especially when connecting t= o > another computer or when dialing an ISP. > > As I stated in an earlier message, NetBEUI is the easiest one to > set up and > get working. Even on computers that are already both set up with > TCP/IP, I > often add NetBEUI to both in order to avoid the setup headaches > with TCP/IP. > > HTH, > Rob > > "Leandro Rzezak" wrote: > > I had the same problem too. You have to have all IPX, netbeui and TCP= /IP > > protocols installed. > > That should work. > > > > Leandro > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 13 16:51:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA01545 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02507; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:50:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02332; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from genome.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02319; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from genome.Stanford.EDU (171.65.76.124 -> genome.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:50:20 -0400 Received: from fafner.Stanford.EDU (fafner.Stanford.EDU [172.21.1.12]) by genome.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA10148 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:50:18 -0700 (PDT) From: John Olyarchuk X-Sender: jgo@fafner.Stanford.EDU To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Adaptec APA1480A SCSI card on 770/600/NT? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone been successful in using this card (adaptec APA1480A) on a 770/600 running NT4? The card is "thinkpad proven" but not clear about NT support. Specifically, I am using a 770Z with NT4. I don't have the card yet, so cannot comment on specific prolems I am having. I am trying to decide which scsi card to order. Thanks, John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 13 17:30:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA01815 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03866; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:29:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03715; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03702; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:29:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:29:05 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a111.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.111]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA19514 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906132129.RAA19514@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a111.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.111] 209.198.80.111 Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:59:04 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: win 98 hibernation? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >Hibernation file must be on a FAT partition according to all docs I've >seen. Either leave C FAT or make a dedicated hibernation partition (what >I did...rest of the disk is NTFS). I wouldn't know if this is true for MS Wondows (of any variety). But you might want to actually try. The docs also say the OS2 hibernation file can be on an HPFS partition, unless you have more the 64K of ram -- which is not true for the newest 600E. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 13 18:11:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02048 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05682; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:10:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05532; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shakti.slis.indiana.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05519; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shakti.slis.indiana.edu (129.79.33.57 -> shakti.slis.indiana.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:10:42 -0400 Received: by shakti.slis.indiana.edu (Postfix, from userid 8489) id ECC70A903; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:10:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:10:40 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: jfieber@shakti.slis.indiana.edu To: letoured@sover.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: win 98 hibernation? In-Reply-To: <199906132129.RAA19514@pike.sover.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: jfieber@shakti.slis.indiana.edu List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 letoured@sover.net wrote: > >Hibernation file must be on a FAT partition according to all docs I've > >seen. Either leave C FAT or make a dedicated hibernation partition (what > >I did...rest of the disk is NTFS). > > I wouldn't know if this is true for MS Wondows (of any variety). The OS doesn't really have anything to do with it actually. It is the BIOS that needs to get at the hibernation file when you turn the computer on and the BIOS only knows how to find things in FAT or (I had forgotten) HPFS file systems. -john From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 13 18:39:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02215 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06724; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:38:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06528; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06515; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:37:59 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-200.islandnet.com [139.142.112.200] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10tIt1-000WSFC for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 15:37:55 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: jfieber@indiana.edu Cc: nickdixon@bigfoot.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: win 98 hibernation? Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 15:28:36 -0700 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 33 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: In my humble experience with Win95, a C: partition of less than 500 MB works efficiently. Fat16 is slightly faster than fat32. Then you can format the rest of your drive as you like it. However, many apps try to install themselves in the C: partition, so you have to tell them to install elsewhere, or else you'll fill up C:. You want at least 100 MB free on C: for one reason or another. And since many files have to be installed in C:\WINDOWS\ or one of its subdirectories, you probably want 300 MB free when the base stuff has been installed. In article , you wrote: :On Sun, 13 Jun 1999, Nick Dixon wrote: : :> I was about to convert my C drive to fat32 when I got a message saying :> :> that my computer had detected a hibernation file - and should check :> before proceeding... : :Hibernation file must be on a FAT partition according to all docs :I've seen. Either leave C FAT or make a dedicated hibernation :partition (what I did...rest of the disk is NTFS). : -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 13 19:41:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA02728 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08751; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:40:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08560; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08539; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.102 -> slip-32-100-39-102.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:39:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01beb5f5$dc00af80$66276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Lee Hetherington" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: "rj" , "ThinkPad List" References: <3761DB88.9349B712@icanect.net> <3763A0E7.B690427@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Subject: Re: A new TP600??? Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:38:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I all comes down to personal needs. I would like to see a < 2lbs. notebook with a 17" display and CD, Floppy 6 hour battery.. :). Don > But I don't want larger than 13.3"! 15" would significantly affect the > footprint of the 600. (I had a 14.1" 770 before and it was a behemoth.) > > --Lee Hetherington > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 13 22:39:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA04310 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15079; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:38:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14882; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sherman.ncag.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14868; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sherman.ncag.edu (208.198.8.5 -> sherman.ncag.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:38:20 -0400 Received: from what [208.198.8.41] by sherman.ncag.edu (SMTPD32-4.06) id AB6018B500FC; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:39:28 PDT From: "Waldemar Kowalski" To: "ThinkPad list" Subject: Upgrade time - new TP600? Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:38:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000301beb60e$f7cf2de0$2908c6d0@ncag.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.100 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: Currently have a TP600, PII-233, upgraded to DVD, 6.4gig and 160meg. It's upgrade time - do I go for the PII-366? Is the DVD model identical (other than the CD/DVD option, of course) to the 24x CD model? (I can move my DVD and Margi card over, of course.) I like the TP600 - have problems under Win98 with shut-down, but I suspect I'm pushing the system somewhat. Don't want the greater weight of the 770. Considered the new 570, but do need the CD/DVD often enough to make the Ultrabase a dubious advantage. All advice appreciated... waldemar kowalski cio, northwest college From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 08:43:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA07395 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13853; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:41:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13562; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13532; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (132.230.150.1 -> avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:41:24 -0400 Received: from asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.167.101]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA23086; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:40:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) id OAA15771; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:40:14 +0200 (MDT) Message-Id: <199906141240.OAA15771@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: Re: 701 floppy? problem In-Reply-To: <199906041623.JAA16959@baker.cnw.com> from Jon Stables at "Jun 4, 99 09:19:22 am" To: stables@cnw.com (Jon Stables) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:40:14 +0200 (MDT) Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Reply-to: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Phone: +49-(0)761-203-8274 Fax: +49-(0)761-203-8262 Address: Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg, Institut fuer Informatik Address: Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello Jon, > The floppy drive on my 701 quit working, but I don't think it is the drive > itself. I tried another new drive and got the same result. The drive > spins, but the head does not seek and the light never comes on. The error > message says the device is not ready. The warranty was up in April. > > Any suggestions? Maybe. The same happens to me everytime I get out of hibernation (under Linux). However, simply ejecting and reinserting the floppy solves this problem. Maybe you've got the same problem, maybe not... Sven -- _ _ _____ Artificial Intelligence Unit | | | |/ /_ _| University of Hamburg | |__| ' < | | phone: +49 (0)40 42883-2576 Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30 |____|_|\_\___| fax : +49 (0)40 42883-2572 D-22527 Hamburg mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-freiburg.de www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 08:51:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA07452 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14488; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:50:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14336; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cayuga.cs.rochester.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14321; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:50:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from cayuga.cs.rochester.edu (192.5.53.209 -> cayuga.cs.rochester.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:50:17 -0400 Received: from slate.cs.rochester.edu (slate.cs.rochester.edu [192.5.53.101]) by cayuga.cs.rochester.edu (8.6.9/P) with ESMTP id IAA25779 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:50:11 -0400 Received: from atto.cs.rochester.edu (atto.cs.rochester.edu [192.5.53.189]) by slate.cs.rochester.edu (8.6.9/P) with ESMTP id IAA05964 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:50:11 -0400 Received: (from bukys@localhost) by atto.cs.rochester.edu (SMI-8.6/P++) id IAA11602; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:50:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:50:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199906141250.IAA11602@atto.cs.rochester.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: looking for closeouts Cc: bukys@cs.rochester.edu List-Unsubscribe: I occasionally see good deals go by on recently-discontinued ThinkPads, but I have not saved them. Now I'm advising the minister of a local church, who's ready to buy a laptop with limited funds, and I can't find the good deals. Does anyone have any pointers? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 09:00:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA07530 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16059; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:59:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15976; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15931; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (132.230.150.1 -> avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:58:58 -0400 Received: from asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.167.101]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA23738; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:58:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) id OAA15824; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:58:24 +0200 (MDT) Message-Id: <199906141258.OAA15824@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: Re: TP 701 Battery Problem In-Reply-To: from rj at "Jun 1, 99 12:59:27 pm" To: rj@chele.cais.net (rj) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:58:24 +0200 (MDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Reply-to: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Phone: +49-(0)761-203-8274 Fax: +49-(0)761-203-8262 Address: Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg, Institut fuer Informatik Address: Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello rj, > I've just powered up my 701 on battery, or rather tried to, and all that > happened was for the status lights to flicker on and off with some minor > noises from the speaker. When I attached the AC adapter it works fine > except when the battery status is displayed(fn+F2) it does not show the > battery being charged and the whole display is grey (there is a smily face > in the upper left). How do I determine if this is due to the battery or > something else? BTW the box ran on battery power a week or so ago, > apparantly with out any problem? What does pressing fn+F1 show? If it does say battery broken (or somesuch), it probably means that the computer can not communicate with the battery due to one of three reasons: a) The little chip inside the battery refuses to cooperate, either because it's broken, or because you charged the battery one time to often (yes, the chip does contain a counter --- stands to reason IBM is using it...). b) The corresponding electronic insite your TP is broken --- resign yourself to working from the power brick. c) The battery's middle contacts somehow do not give a proper connection. Unfortunately I do not know any cheap solution to a) or b)... Sven -- _ _ _____ Artificial Intelligence Unit | | | |/ /_ _| University of Hamburg | |__| ' < | | phone: +49 (0)40 42883-2576 Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30 |____|_|\_\___| fax : +49 (0)40 42883-2572 D-22527 Hamburg mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-freiburg.de www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 11:37:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08834 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25343; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:34:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25115; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25093; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (144.92.108.61 -> ssec.wisc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:34:48 -0400 Received: from mail.ssec.wisc.edu (mail.ssec.wisc.edu [144.92.108.227]) by ssec.wisc.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA25042 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:34:45 -0500 Received: by mail.ssec.wisc.edu with ADMIN;14 Jun 1999 10:32:39 -0600 Message-ID: <37652664.534400CD@ssec.wisc.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:57:28 -0500 From: Paul Schnettler Reply-To: paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu Organization: UW-Space Science & Engineering Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: order of features & OS loading Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: here's one for the archives... I've got a TP755cx that is misbehaving. I tried in frustration to activate the serial port on this beast to test a GPS reciever. The system never had the thinkpad features installed, so I did that AFTER having Win95 loaded/installed. Got the usual message after loading the features to re-boot after changing settings...did that. Disabled IR comms. re-started windoze Disabled Mwave modem. re-started windoze Enabled serial port re-started windoze Not able to open the comm port (com1) My question to the list. Is windoze/win95 and the thinkpad, picky with the order of how things are loaded with regard to the thinkpad features(utils). Perhaps I'm missing something that needs to sit in AUTOEXEC.bat or CONFIG.sys with regards to the thinkpad. Does the PS2 utils need to be installed too? (I'm positive the serial port operates, as I can swap in a HD with WFWG3.11 and get the TP to communicate w/ my digital camera and the port.) Thanks for any suggestions. Paul From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 12:04:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA09116 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27076; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:02:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26923; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pippi.grm.se (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26900; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pippi.grm.se (194.218.145.45 -> pippi.grm.se) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:02:00 -0400 Received: from grm.se (pc95.ibk.se [195.100.190.95]) by pippi.grm.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA01425; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:01:55 +0200 Message-ID: <376526B9.83BB75E2@grm.se> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:58:49 +0200 From: Kristian Madsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad e-postlista CC: paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu Subject: Re: order of features & OS loading References: <37652664.534400CD@ssec.wisc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi Paul, have you made sure that the power to the serial port is on? This is a fhinkpad features setting, but you could probably just rip the ps2.exe >from from your win3.1 hd and use "ps2 ?" to find the exact command to use. Sorry if I'm restating the obvious here. /Kristian Madsen Proud owner of Thinkpad(s) 360C/360CSE/600E Paul Schnettler wrote: > > Enabled serial port in windows device manager, I suppose. > re-started windoze > > Not able to open the comm port (com1) > > Perhaps I'm missing something that needs to sit in AUTOEXEC.bat or > CONFIG.sys > with regards to the thinkpad. > Does the PS2 utils need to be installed too? > > (I'm positive the serial port operates, as I can swap in a HD with > WFWG3.11 and get the TP to communicate w/ my digital camera and the > port.) > > Thanks for any suggestions. > Paul From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 12:55:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA09776 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00656; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:53:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00516; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00490; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906141653.MAA00490@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (128.95.79.96 -> tokeru.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:53:19 -0400 Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Tue, 13 Jun 1989 9:50:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Lee Hetherington" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:53:16 +0000 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: problems on 6.4 gig drive List-Unsubscribe: You mentioned this in an earlier post, and alluded to how the ultra slim bay allocates cylinders differently. This checks with some of my experience, but I am a bit unsure how this process works. My drive was partitioned in the USBay, but I tried to install linux in the main bay. I got an error which is consistent with the 1024 limit problem. Is it that the cylinder count is established at format time and remains fixed regardless of where the drive is installed? On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:13:56 -0400, Lee Hetherington wrote: >This is very definitely not true. I have a 6.4GB drive with Linux on the last >1.5GB. It all comes down to 1024 cylinders, not GB. ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 13:14:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09975 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02575; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:11:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02067; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02008; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:11:23 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg-20425418-88.ricochet.net [204.254.18.88]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA21715; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:10:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "John Olyarchuk" , Subject: RE: Adaptec APA1480A SCSI card on 770/600/NT? Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:10:33 -0700 Message-ID: <002901beb688$d005a170$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Oh! I should have read the whole message. You have a 770Z. Don't take my 600 report very seriously. Try it on your machine and see... -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 13:14:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09982 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02573; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:11:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02023; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01942; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:10:26 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg-20425418-88.ricochet.net [204.254.18.88]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA21554; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:09:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "John Olyarchuk" , Subject: RE: Adaptec APA1480A SCSI card on 770/600/NT? Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:09:14 -0700 Message-ID: <002801beb688$a0f04160$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > Has anyone been successful in using this card (adaptec APA1480A) on a > 770/600 running NT4? The card is "thinkpad proven" but not clear about > NT support. Specifically, I am using a 770Z with NT4. I don't have the > card yet, so cannot comment on specific prolems I am having. I am trying > to decide which scsi card to order. The 1480A works fine on my original-generation TP600 under NT4, using the IBM-supplied CardWizard and Adaptec's drivers. The danger area is probably compatibility with another card simultaneously. Do you have a network card that you'll use at the same time? -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 14:57:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11377 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10094; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:55:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09653; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kramer.ne.mediaone.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09544; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kramer.ne.mediaone.net (24.128.125.14 -> kramer.ne.mediaone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:54:17 -0400 Received: from kramer.ne.mediaone.net (bela.pegasystems.com [207.121.196.65]) by kramer.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA23989; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:54:10 -0400 Message-ID: <37655026.47AEF859@kramer.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:55:34 -0400 From: David Kramer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-laptop@vger.rutgers.edu, thinkpad mailing list , Boston Linux Subject: Thinkpad 755C Suse install Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a 755C with a (now) 1.4GB hard drive and (now) 32MB+4MB=38MB RAM, docking station 1, and an Accton PCMCIA ethernet card for it. It currently has Win95 on hda1 and Red Hat 5.2 on hda2 (/), hda3 (/usr), and hda4 (swap). I did this install via ftp from a linux box on my intranet (put the CD in the server and mounted it under ~ftp), and that took a long time to figure out. I want to replace Red Hat with Suse. When I try to install Suse from the CDROM in the docking station, it does not recognize the SCSI card (I think its a Future Domain 850). That also prevents me from hooking up an external drive to install from, or an external SCSI CDROm drive. When I try to install via FTP like I did Red Hat, it says I can't find the server. I'm pretty sure it is recognizing the PCMCIA ethernet card. If I let it load modules itself it loads "ne". I wish it would give more information than that. I also wish their install had a command prompt on another console like Red Hat's so I can dignose the problem. When I copied the contents of CD1 to a directory on hda2 and CD2 (do I need this for the install?) to a directory on hda3 (and ln -s to a directory on hda2 (had to do this for space reasons), it eventually fails, telling me it couldn't mount hda2 cuz it was already mounted. Duh. I would like to fool around with the FTP option a little more to see if I'm doing something wrong. Will it ask me where on the FTP server the files are, or do I need to make it look a specific way? I would rather not wipe out my Win95 partition and dum CD1 there, cuz there are some special hardware configurations I would not look forward to reconstructing. Any advice? Had anyone got linux to recognize the docking station 1? BTW, if anyone else tries this, on the boot prompt you need to specify "floppy=thinkpad". Thanks in advance. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- DDDD David Kramer david@kramer.ne.mediaone.net DK KD http://start.at/david.kramer DKK D DK KD It is appallingly obvious that our technology DDDD exceeds our humanity. Albert Einstein From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 15:17:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA11640 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11784; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:15:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11656; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11626; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:15:03 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-393.gate.net [199.227.131.202]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA49298; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:16:48 -0400 Message-ID: <376554AF.7F543B89@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:14:55 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bukys@cs.rochester.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: looking for closeouts References: <199906141250.IAA11602@atto.cs.rochester.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: refurbs from IBM.. get a warranty.. open box from distributors, will be with warranty as if never opened.. insurance salvage.. wet box, crushed box and so forth.. machine perfect, box destroyed.. bukys@cs.rochester.edu wrote: > I occasionally see good deals go by on recently-discontinued ThinkPads, > but I have not saved them. Now I'm advising the minister of a local church, > who's ready to buy a laptop with limited funds, and I can't find the good > deals. Does anyone have any pointers? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 15:42:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA11934 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13631; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:40:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13451; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13415; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:40:08 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-393.gate.net [199.227.131.202]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA319662; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:41:06 -0400 Message-ID: <37655A61.FAA2D6DB@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:39:13 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Kramer CC: linux-laptop@vger.rutgers.edu, thinkpad mailing list , Boston Linux Subject: Re: Thinkpad 755C Suse install References: <37655026.47AEF859@kramer.ne.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: FWIW the SCSI in the older docks is an Adaptec.. David Kramer wrote: **SNIP** > When I try to install Suse from the CDROM in the docking station, it > does not recognize the SCSI card (I think its a Future Domain 850). > That also prevents me from hooking up an external drive to install from, > or an external SCSI CDROm drive. > **SNIPPITY SNIP** -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 15:55:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12098 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14938; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:54:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14812; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vm4-ext.prodigy.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14798; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vm4-ext.prodigy.net (207.115.59.137 -> vm4-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:54:50 -0400 Received: from prodigy.net (TXCYB104-22.splitrock.net [209.253.59.118]) by vm4-ext.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17078 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:54:47 -0400 Message-ID: <37655DBA.1D2CA6D7@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:53:30 -0500 From: Ebert Steele Reply-To: k5cad@prodigy.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: looking for closeouts References: <199906141250.IAA11602@atto.cs.rochester.edu> <376554AF.7F543B89@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > bukys@cs.rochester.edu wrote: > > > I occasionally see good deals go by on recently-discontinued ThinkPads, > > but I have not saved them. Now I'm advising the minister of a local church, > > who's ready to buy a laptop with limited funds, and I can't find the good > > deals. Does anyone have any pointers? > Bill Morrow wrote: > > refurbs from IBM.. get a warranty.. > open box from distributors, will be with warranty as if never opened.. > insurance salvage.. wet box, crushed box and so forth.. machine perfect, box > destroyed..-- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... Mr. Morrow, I value your advice. I respect your knowledge of TPs. I am in awe of the high regard in which everyone else on this list holds you. But sir, with all due respect, What the heck did you say? Where DO you get : refurbs, open boxes from distributors, insurance salvage, etc.? I have grand kids to put into laptops for school this fall. I bought a refurb from uBid. Never again. Bad experience. TP not that bad but uBid is a disaster to do business with. Ebert Steele From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 17:02:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA12820 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19187; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:58:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18792; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18754; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906142058.QAA18754@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (129.71.2.4 -> wvnvm.wvnet.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:58:12 -0400 Received: from dragon [129.71.229.174] by WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:00:22 EDT From: "Vrondi" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:59:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: thanks for the Direct Cable Connection help Reply-to: vrondi@nettaxi.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) List-Unsubscribe: i just want to say thanks to everyone for the Direct Cable Connection help that many of you have sent my way. i installed some common protocols, and it works quite well now. :) //Chrys Amy Dean | Vrondi on EFNET IRC "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster; and when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." - Friedrich Nietzsc he From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 18:24:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13648 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23710; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:22:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23527; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavo.U.Arizona.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23509; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavo.U.Arizona.EDU (128.196.137.195 -> pavo-1.U.Arizona.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:21:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (rlippse@localhost) by pavo.U.Arizona.EDU (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA07333; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:21:16 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:21:16 -0700 (MST) From: Roberta J Lippse To: David Kramer cc: linux-laptop@vger.rutgers.edu, thinkpad mailing list , Boston Linux Subject: Re: Thinkpad 755C Suse install In-Reply-To: <37655026.47AEF859@kramer.ne.mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I'm afraid that I don't have any help on your problem, but would you mind telling me the brand name of your dimm chip memory. I'm having trouble in the memory area of my 755C. Thank you so much, Respectfully, Roberta Lippse support systems analyst Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, David Kramer wrote: > I have a 755C with a (now) 1.4GB hard drive and (now) 32MB+4MB=38MB RAM, > docking station 1, and an Accton PCMCIA ethernet card for it. It > currently has Win95 on hda1 and Red Hat 5.2 on hda2 (/), hda3 (/usr), > and hda4 (swap). I did this install via ftp from a linux box on my > intranet (put the CD in the server and mounted it under ~ftp), and that > took a long time to figure out. I want to replace Red Hat with Suse. > > When I try to install Suse from the CDROM in the docking station, it > does not recognize the SCSI card (I think its a Future Domain 850). > That also prevents me from hooking up an external drive to install from, > or an external SCSI CDROm drive. > > When I try to install via FTP like I did Red Hat, it says I can't find > the server. I'm pretty sure it is recognizing the PCMCIA ethernet > card. If I let it load modules itself it loads "ne". I wish it would > give more information than that. I also wish their install had a > command prompt on another console like Red Hat's so I can dignose the > problem. > > When I copied the contents of CD1 to a directory on hda2 and CD2 (do I > need this for the install?) to a directory on hda3 (and ln -s to a > directory on hda2 (had to do this for space reasons), it eventually > fails, telling me it couldn't mount hda2 cuz it was already mounted. > Duh. > > I would like to fool around with the FTP option a little more to see if > I'm doing something wrong. Will it ask me where on the FTP server the > files are, or do I need to make it look a specific way? > > I would rather not wipe out my Win95 partition and dum CD1 there, cuz > there are some special hardware configurations I would not look forward > to reconstructing. > > Any advice? Had anyone got linux to recognize the docking station 1? > > BTW, if anyone else tries this, on the boot prompt you need to specify > "floppy=thinkpad". > > Thanks in advance. > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > DDDD David Kramer david@kramer.ne.mediaone.net > DK KD http://start.at/david.kramer > DKK D > DK KD It is appallingly obvious that our technology > DDDD exceeds our humanity. Albert Einstein > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 19:26:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA14083 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26610; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:20:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26434; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26410; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:19:57 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-393.gate.net [199.227.131.202]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA242972; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:21:09 -0400 Message-ID: <37658DF4.26D42744@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:19:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roberta J Lippse CC: David Kramer , linux-laptop@vger.rutgers.edu, thinkpad mailing list , Boston Linux Subject: Re: Thinkpad 755C Suse install References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the 755C usually uses a DRAM CC Memory Card.. looks like a PCMCIA card, but it is really a 16 or 32meg card.. they come in two varieties, parity and non-parity.. some 755 machines used a DIMM carrier and one or two 16meg DIMM's.. these are mostly now obsolete since that configueration was used to overcome the low densite RAM chip of the day.. cost is between $140 to $180 for these, depending on brand and parity.. the older machines (750, 755) use parity, the cheaper 360 machines and the 755CX use non-parity.. Roberta J Lippse wrote: > I'm afraid that I don't have any help on your problem, but would you mind > telling me the brand name of your dimm chip memory. I'm having trouble in > the memory area of my 755C. > > Thank you so much, > Respectfully, > Roberta Lippse > support systems analyst > Department of Psychiatry > University of Arizona **SNIP** -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 19:53:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA14248 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28048; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:51:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27821; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27806; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (207.115.59.113 -> pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:51:33 -0400 Received: from prodigy.net (TXCYB102-10.splitrock.net [209.253.59.10]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA102528; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:51:29 -0400 Message-ID: <37659533.54E0BE7C@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:50:11 -0500 From: Ebert Steele Reply-To: k5cad@prodigy.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: looking for closeouts References: <199906141250.IAA11602@atto.cs.rochester.edu> <376554AF.7F543B89@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Bill, For your help. And Thank you for taking my tounge in cheek comments in good humor. Ebert Steele From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 20:05:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA14321 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29100; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:03:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28803; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.fn.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28770; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.fn.net (198.247.1.1 -> wichita.fn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:03:29 -0400 Received: from uxledkvk (fsict-tc8-35.fn.net [198.247.6.135]) by wichita.fn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA20948 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:03:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003f01beb6c2$6e360fe0$8706f7c6@uxledkvk> From: "John Wee" To: Subject: My ex-770e BIG problems :) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:02:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01BEB698.832E81E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BEB698.832E81E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just to let you guys who helped me so much on my 770e on previous weeks. =20 IBM sent me back my 770e last friday(computer was shipped to easy = serve last monday) and everything works excellent now :) I really love = the mobility of the laptop and you guys were right, the DVD with = enchanced video adaptor works PERFECTLY !! Kudos IBM. Oh and this = morning at 9:00 am i got a knock from UPS guy that deliver me new = recovery cd & diskette from IBM. I requested new recovery cd last friday = and IBM shipped them UPS EXPRESS !!! =20 Now, can we (ibm antivirus users) upgrade for free to norton = antivirus 5.0 or do we have to pay ? also, being new to the laptop = world, is it worth the money to buy the rain, waterfall pro programs for = the laptop ?? How useful and effective these programs are ??=20 =20 Another issue is, are they any fake covers for the battery bay on = IBM thinkpads? I know that even for Li-Ion battery it is better to = completely discharge before charging the battery. Now if i leave the = battery pack out of the system, it seems to expose the dvd enchanced = video card and the internal of the laptop. ANy solutions for this rather = than leaving the battery pack in ?? Thank you again, =20 Jon=20 , ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BEB698.832E81E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just to let you guys who helped me = so much on my=20 770e on previous weeks.
 
    IBM sent me back my 770e last=20 friday(computer was shipped to easy serve last monday) and everything = works=20 excellent now :) I really love the mobility of the laptop and you guys = were=20 right, the DVD with enchanced video adaptor works PERFECTLY !! Kudos=20 IBM. Oh and this morning at 9:00 am i got a knock = >from UPS=20 guy that deliver me new recovery cd & diskette from IBM. I requested = new=20 recovery cd last friday and IBM shipped them UPS EXPRESS = !!!
 
    Now, can we (ibm antivirus users) = upgrade=20 for free to norton antivirus 5.0 or do we have to pay ? also, being new = to the=20 laptop world, is it worth the money to buy the rain, waterfall pro = programs for=20 the laptop ?? How useful and effective these programs are = ?? 
 
    Another issue is, are they any = fake covers=20 for the battery bay on IBM thinkpads? I know that even for Li-Ion = battery it is=20 better to completely discharge before charging the battery. Now if i = leave the=20 battery pack out of the system, it seems to expose the dvd enchanced = video card=20 and the internal of the laptop. ANy solutions for this rather than = leaving the=20 battery pack in ??
 
Thank you again,
  
       = Jon 
,
------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BEB698.832E81E0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 20:42:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA14585 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01043; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:40:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00872; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00845; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.79 -> slip-32-100-39-79.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:40:05 -0400 Message-ID: <004e01beb6c7$716f0180$4f276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "John Wee" , References: <003f01beb6c2$6e360fe0$8706f7c6@uxledkvk> Subject: Re: My ex-770e BIG problems :) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:38:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01BEB6A5.E81B12A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BEB6A5.E81B12A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, I was able to pick up Norton Antivirus for about $10 after rebate once = at the local CompUSA. It was probably cheaper that way then what they = would charge even given the discount for owners of IBM Antivirus. Keep = an eye out for specials. As for the battery cover... You may want to reconsider removing the = battery as you will be missing out on a great "feature". The battery can = be a lifesaver if electricity goes out. The Li-Ion batteries are much = better at taking partial charges and even after several months I have = not seen any adverse affects.=20 Don From: John Wee=20 Now, can we (ibm antivirus users) upgrade for free to norton = antivirus 5.0 or do we have to pay ? also, being new to the laptop = world, is it worth the money to buy the rain, waterfall pro programs for = the laptop ?? How useful and effective these programs are ??=20 =20 Another issue is, are they any fake covers for the battery bay on = IBM thinkpads? I know that even for Li-Ion battery it is better to = completely discharge before charging the battery. Now if i leave the = battery pack out of the system, it seems to expose the dvd enchanced = video card and the internal of the laptop. ANy solutions for this rather = than leaving the battery pack in ?? Thank you again, =20 Jon=20 , ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BEB6A5.E81B12A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John,
I was able to pick up Norton Antivirus = for about=20 $10 after rebate once at the local CompUSA. It was probably cheaper that = way=20 then what they would charge even given the discount for owners of IBM = Antivirus.=20 Keep an eye out for specials.
 
As for the battery cover... You may = want to=20 reconsider removing the battery as you will be missing out on = a great=20 "feature". The battery can be a lifesaver if electricity goes out. The = Li-Ion=20 batteries are much better at taking partial charges and even after = several=20 months I have not seen any adverse affects.
 
Don
 
From: John Wee
    Now, can we (ibm antivirus = users) upgrade=20 for free to norton antivirus 5.0 or do we have to pay ? also, being = new to the=20 laptop world, is it worth the money to buy the rain, waterfall pro = programs=20 for the laptop ?? How useful and effective these programs are=20 ?? 
 
    Another issue is, are they any = fake=20 covers for the battery bay on IBM thinkpads? I know that even for = Li-Ion=20 battery it is better to completely discharge before charging the = battery. Now=20 if i leave the battery pack out of the system, it seems to expose the = dvd=20 enchanced video card and the internal of the laptop. ANy solutions for = this=20 rather than leaving the battery pack in ??
 
Thank you again,
  
       = Jon 
,
------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BEB6A5.E81B12A0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 21:29:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA15015 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03924; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:27:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03675; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03661; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (204.182.16.2 -> tdl.tdl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:27:24 -0400 Received: from chuck (tdl-dyn238.tdl.com [205.162.12.238]) by tdl.tdl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA17718 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:27:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199906150127.SAA17718@tdl.tdl.com> From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:27:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: AV software (was My ex-770e BIG problems :) Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <004e01beb6c7$716f0180$4f276420@thinkpad> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) List-Unsubscribe: On 14 Jun 99, at 20:38, Donald Mak wrote: > I was able to pick up Norton Antivirus for about $10 after rebate once > at the local CompUSA. It was probably cheaper that way then what they > would charge even given the discount for owners of IBM Antivirus. Keep > an eye out for specials. If you don't need the real-time (and system-hogging) features of the current A-V software, you can download a free version of Norton Antivirus 2.0 from http://www.ded.com/nonags/av32.html Nortion regularly updates this with new virus signature files. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 21:59:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA15293 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05280; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:58:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05159; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05146; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (24.2.1.66 -> ha1.rdc1.il.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:58:25 -0400 Received: from ggg ([24.6.202.53]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990615015823.PZL474.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@ggg> for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:58:23 -0700 Message-ID: <014001beb6d2$a5cebf50$35ca0618@ggg> Reply-To: "William" From: "William" To: References: <003f01beb6c2$6e360fe0$8706f7c6@uxledkvk> <004e01beb6c7$716f0180$4f276420@thinkpad> Subject: Re: My ex-770e BIG problems :) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:59:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: From: John Wee Now, can we (ibm antivirus users) upgrade for free to norton antivirus 5.0 or do we have to pay ? also, being new to the laptop world, is it worth the money to buy the rain, waterfall pro programs for the laptop ?? How useful and effective these programs are ?? Another issue is, are they any fake covers for the battery bay on IBM thinkpads? I know that even for Li-Ion battery it is better to completely discharge before charging the battery. Now if i leave the battery pack out of the system, it seems to expose the dvd enchanced video card and the internal of the laptop. ANy solutions for this rather than leaving the battery pack in ?? Thank you again, Jon , I have running the system under AC power with the battery in it trashed my battery in under a year of use on my 770 I would recomend that you don't do it I too would like to have a cover for when ( most of the time) I run it with out the battery From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 23:08:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA15890 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07555; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:07:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07373; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07354; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:07:31 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-146.gate.net [199.227.20.209]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA289768; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:09:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3765C365.D2326D48@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:07:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lee Hetherington CC: rj , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: A new TP600??? References: <3761DB88.9349B712@icanect.net> <3763A0E7.B690427@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i don't think the 600 will ever have a 15inch display.. max would be 13.7 guesses only! Lee Hetherington wrote: > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > >>If only they would come out with a TP600 with 1280x1024<< > > possible too, in light of the likely 15 inch 77x display thats supposed to > > be coming.. > > But I don't want larger than 13.3"! 15" would significantly affect the > footprint of the 600. (I had a 14.1" 770 before and it was a behemoth.) > > --Lee Hetherington -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 23:10:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA15911 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07842; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:09:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07703; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07672; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:09:14 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-146.gate.net [199.227.20.209]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA448316; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:10:55 -0400 Message-ID: <3765C3CE.C461828B@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:09:02 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Mak CC: Lee Hetherington , rj , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: A new TP600??? References: <3761DB88.9349B712@icanect.net> <3763A0E7.B690427@sls.lcs.mit.edu> <000f01beb5f5$dc00af80$66276420@thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: in a few years, you'll wear your thinkpad and use virtual reality 'goggles'.. Donald Mak wrote: > I all comes down to personal needs. > I would like to see a < 2lbs. notebook with a 17" display and CD, Floppy 6 > hour battery.. :). > > Don > > > But I don't want larger than 13.3"! 15" would significantly affect the > > footprint of the 600. (I had a 14.1" 770 before and it was a behemoth.) > > > > --Lee Hetherington > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 14 23:44:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA16171 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09605; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:43:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09472; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from genome.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09450; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from genome.Stanford.EDU (171.65.76.124 -> genome.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:43:29 -0400 Received: from fafner.Stanford.EDU (fafner.Stanford.EDU [172.21.1.12]) by genome.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA10336; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:43:25 -0700 (PDT) From: John Olyarchuk X-Sender: jgo@fafner.Stanford.EDU To: Michael Geary cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Adaptec APA1480A SCSI card on 770/600/NT? In-Reply-To: <002801beb688$a0f04160$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I dock it to a selectabase with the PC card enabler w/ etherjet (an intel card). I am thinking of also getting a 10/100 ethernet card for undocked situations. (b/c of rumored NT compatibility issues, I am leaning towards the 3com 16 bit 10/100 pcmcia, although it lacks an x-jack :( This is another area where I could use some input from anyone with experience with 3com cards and NT. I may also get a Metricom Ricochet (900MHz) wireless modem (serial port). On the scsi bus I will have a jaz drive, hard disk, and cd burner. Rarely much else (occasionally a zip or second hard disk, but those would only be temporary). I am worried about encountering IRQ address limitations, etc. Thanks, John On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, Michael Geary wrote: > > Has anyone been successful in using this card (adaptec APA1480A) on a > > 770/600 running NT4? The card is "thinkpad proven" but not clear about > > NT support. Specifically, I am using a 770Z with NT4. I don't have the > > card yet, so cannot comment on specific prolems I am having. I am trying > > to decide which scsi card to order. > > The 1480A works fine on my original-generation TP600 under NT4, using the > IBM-supplied CardWizard and Adaptec's drivers. The danger area is probably > compatibility with another card simultaneously. Do you have a network card > that you'll use at the same time? > > -Mike > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 15 00:00:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA16291 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10413; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:59:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10333; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10299; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (140.142.77.10 -> jason03.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:59:04 -0400 Received: from dante04.u.washington.edu (williams@dante04.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.6]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id UAA30034 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:59:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante04.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id UAA36910 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:59:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:59:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Heat and PC Cards/ PC Card Enabler Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I haven't seen this topic discussed. Does heat have any significant impact on the operation and lifespan of PC Cards? I am considering getting the PC Card Enabler for my 770ED not only for this but also better peripheral placement and future expansion. A side issue is saving wear and tear on insertion and removal of cards and phone dongle on my Ethernet card (it gives more stable connections than the internal modem). Is this a concern? I have Adaptec APA-1480A and Intel Pro/100 + 56k Modem. Thanks, John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 15 01:39:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA17054 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13863; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:38:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13744; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uldns1.unil.ch (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13731; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uldns1.unil.ch (130.223.8.20 -> uldns1.unil.ch) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:38:25 -0400 Received: from pcibcm130c.unil.ch ([130.223.201.97] helo=etienne1) by uldns1.unil.ch with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu id 10tlvR-0000zA-00; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 07:38:21 +0200 Message-ID: <002701beb6f1$0090dd60$61c9df82@unil.ch> From: "Etienne Pralong" To: Subject: TP 600 Windows NT 4.0 and IBM 10/100 Cardbus adapter Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 07:36:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01BEB701.C3EEF3E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BEB701.C3EEF3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I have not been able to use the combination of my TP 600 and a 10/100 = IBM cardbus adapter. 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Hello,
 
I have not been able to use = the combination of=20 my TP 600 and a 10/100 IBM cardbus adapter. The same card works in the = same=20 machine in OS2, DOS and windows 98.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BEB701.C3EEF3E0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 15 01:50:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA17099 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14540; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:49:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14433; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14420; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:49:40 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-134.gate.net [199.227.20.197]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA70752; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:51:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3765E96C.26C67587@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:49:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Etienne Pralong CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 Windows NT 4.0 and IBM 10/100 Cardbus adapter References: <002701beb6f1$0090dd60$61c9df82@unil.ch> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1C5212108D4E05793FA9A289" List-Unsubscribe: --------------1C5212108D4E05793FA9A289 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this would lead me to question the NT drivers.. Etienne Pralong wrote: > Hello, I have not been able to use the combination of my TP 600 and > a 10/100 IBM cardbus adapter. The same card works in the same machine > in OS2, DOS and windows 98. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------1C5212108D4E05793FA9A289 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this would lead me to question the NT drivers..

Etienne Pralong wrote:

  Hello, I have not been able to use the combination of my TP 600 and a 10/100 IBM cardbus adapter. The same card works in the same machine in OS2, DOS and windows 98.  
 

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net
770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------1C5212108D4E05793FA9A289-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 15 01:53:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA17111 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15005; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:52:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14784; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14768; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:52:12 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-134.gate.net [199.227.20.197]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA319208; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:53:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3765EA06.6632C46B@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:52:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "J. Williams" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Heat and PC Cards/ PC Card Enabler References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have seen cheaper laptops (Mitac) actually MELT a PCMCIA modem.. so, IMO, up to actually melting a card, i doubt normal heat will much bother a well designed PCMCIA card.. in fact, i run a 760ED 24/7 with a NIC in the PC card slot.. hot but it keeps on ticking.. :-) J. Williams wrote: > Hi, > > I haven't seen this topic discussed. Does heat have any significant > impact on the operation and lifespan of PC Cards? I am considering > getting the PC Card Enabler for my 770ED not only for this but also better > peripheral placement and future expansion. A side issue is saving wear > and tear on insertion and removal of cards and phone dongle on > my Ethernet card (it gives more stable connections than the internal > modem). Is this a concern? > > I have Adaptec APA-1480A and Intel Pro/100 + 56k Modem. > > Thanks, John -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 15 01:58:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA17150 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15519; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:57:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15387; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamgaac.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15370; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamgaac.compuserve.com (149.174.217.146 -> as-img-3.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:57:30 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.1) id BAA12184 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:56:07 -0400 From: Richard Nedinsky <75304.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: unsubscribe Sender: Richard Nedinsky <75304.2274@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <199906150156_MC2-796E-19E7@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 15 02:07:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA17457 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16415; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:06:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16261; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16217; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:04:41 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-23.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.23]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA20543 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990615020716.006dce84@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:07:16 -0400 To: ThinkPad List From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: A new TP600??? In-Reply-To: <3765C3CE.C461828B@icanect.net> References: <3761DB88.9349B712@icanect.net> <3763A0E7.B690427@sls.lcs.mit.edu> <000f01beb5f5$dc00af80$66276420@thinkpad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:09 PM 6/14/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >in a few years, you'll wear your thinkpad and use virtual reality 'goggles'.. > >Donald Mak wrote: > >> I all comes down to personal needs. >> I would like to see a < 2lbs. notebook with a 17" display and CD, Floppy 6 >> hour battery.. :). >> >> Don >> >> > But I don't want larger than 13.3"! 15" would significantly affect the >> > footprint of the 600. (I had a 14.1" 770 before and it was a behemoth.) >> > >> > --Lee Hetherington I think the term, "behemoth," is subjective. :) I use a 770z, and it is lightweight and easy to carry for me. Of course I am 6'4", 260lbs and bench 340lbs, but what may be humongous for one individual is relatively small and easy for another. >;P A few co-workers think the 770's are monstrous in size and are beggin' for their next units to be 600/570's. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 15 03:46:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA17972 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 03:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22716; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 03:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 03:44:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22418; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 03:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omecihuatl.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22394; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 03:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omecihuatl.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (131.173.17.35 -> omecihuatl.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 03:43:55 -0400 Received: from leon.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (dia24.modem.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.251.216]) by omecihuatl.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00316; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:43:34 +0200 Received: from localhost (krumeich@localhost) by leon.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA00588; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:44:13 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: leon.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de: krumeich owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:44:13 +0200 (MEST) From: Alexander Krumeich Reply-To: Alexander Krumeich To: John Olyarchuk cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Adaptec APA1480A SCSI card on 770/600/NT? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: John, I have been fighting with the 1480A for the last couple of days on my 600. My relatively old TP600 needed a BIOS update to recognize the card at all. It now works in Win95. I can't say anything about NT, though. Perform a search on "1480" on IBMs web site. You should get a link to the respective page. Bye, Alexander -- Alexander Krumeich http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ Never trust a HAL 9000 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 15 08:55:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA19236 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10517; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:53:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10322; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10309; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:53:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA12561; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:53:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:53:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Richard Nedinsky <75304.2274@compuserve.com> cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <199906150156_MC2-796E-19E7@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Richard Nedinsky wrote: > unsubscribe > To "unsubscribe" try the following: mailto:thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe Good luck, and have a nice day... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 15 10:06:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA19696 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17813; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:01:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16820; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16586; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:01:14 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-396.gate.net [199.227.173.142]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA157598 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:02:59 -0400 Message-ID: <37665CA2.3C07A8CF@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:01:07 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: FWIW, New IBM Mini Notebook..! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6031B3AF57D59CF22E35E740" List-Unsubscribe: --------------6031B3AF57D59CF22E35E740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FWIW http://www.direct.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad+240&cntry=840&lang=en_US i have no pricing on these yet..! -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------6031B3AF57D59CF22E35E740 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FWIW

 http://www.direct.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad+240&cntry=840&lang=en_US

i have no pricing on these yet..!

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net
770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------6031B3AF57D59CF22E35E740-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 15 13:25:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA21945 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03705; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:23:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03409; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03376; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:23:38 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg-20425418-88.ricochet.net [204.254.18.88]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA26268; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:23:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Bill Morrow" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: FWIW, New IBM Mini Notebook..! Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:23:26 -0700 Message-ID: <003301beb753$c72630d0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <37665CA2.3C07A8CF@icanect.net> List-Unsubscribe: > http://www.direct.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/SalesNav?family=ThinkPad+240&cnt ry=840&lang=en_US > i have no pricing on these yet..! Looks like a nice machine! 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Readers in other countries should contact >IBM locally for details. >____________________________________________________ > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 15 16:40:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA24460 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16520; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:39:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16345; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16319; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:38:54 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-174.islandnet.com [139.142.112.174] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10tzwK-000WSYC for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:36:12 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A new TP600??? Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:44:03 -0700 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <3761DB88.9349B712@icanect.net> <3763A0E7.B690427@sls.lcs.mit.edu> <000f01beb5f5$dc00af80$66276420@thinkpad> <3765C3CE.C461828B@icanect.net> In-Reply-To: <3765C3CE.C461828B@icanect.net> Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: In article <3765C3CE.C461828B@icanect.net>, Bill Morrow wrote: :in a few years, you'll wear your thinkpad and use virtual reality 'goggles'.. : I'd prefer a tiny screen (LCD?) on the eyeglasses. That way you could ride your bicycle while computing. The keyboard would be a vest, and typing on it would resemble scratching your ribs. This would cause a lot of traffic accidents and raise the GNP. Incidentally, what every happened to the tiny screen idea? Is the technology not available, or would it just be impossible for eyes to focus on something so close? Or ... ? -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 15 16:41:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA24471 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16747; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:40:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16557; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16537; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:40:14 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-174.islandnet.com [139.142.112.174] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10tzwL-000WSgC for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:36:13 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: bytehead@bellatlantic.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A new TP600??? Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:49:35 -0700 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <3761DB88.9349B712@icanect.net> <3763A0E7.B690427@sls.lcs.mit.edu> <000f01beb5f5$dc00af80$66276420@thinkpad> <3.0.1.32.19990615020716.006dce84@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990615020716.006dce84@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I am about the same size as Mark but find the 701 (8x 9.75") butterfly to be just the right size and weight. The largest screen you could fit in that form factor would be less than 11". A 15" screen is over twice the area (and weight) of a 10" screen. Of course, I'd prefer a low-power Pentium II to the low-power 486 DX-75. So it *is* subjective, and relative. :>> :>> > But I don't want larger than 13.3"! 15" would significantly affect the :>> > footprint of the 600. (I had a 14.1" 770 before and it was a behemoth.) :>> > :>> > --Lee Hetherington : :I think the term, "behemoth," is subjective. :) I use a 770z, and it is :lightweight and easy to carry for me. Of course I am 6'4", 260lbs and bench :340lbs, but what may be humongous for one individual is relatively small :and easy for another. >;P A few co-workers think the 770's are monstrous :in size and are beggin' for their next units to be 600/570's. : -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 15 16:56:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA24647 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18338; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:54:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18053; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18038; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906152054.QAA18038@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (128.95.79.96 -> tokeru.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:54:20 -0400 Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Wed, 14 Jun 1989 13:51:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:54:20 +0000 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: hd partitions List-Unsubscribe: I'm still trying to get all the operating systems to work together. For people's info, Partition magic says that there are a total of 838 cylinders on my 6.4 gig disk. This means that you can, in principle, install any operating system anywhere. Now if I could just get them to all work. ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 15 16:57:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA24659 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18665; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:56:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18431; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18370; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.lax.netzero.net (209.0.233.39 -> mail4.lax.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:55:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 4208 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 1999 20:55:41 -0000 Received: from pppa9-tucson22-2r693.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.204.167) by mail4.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 1999 20:55:41 -0000 Message-ID: <3766BDC8.97923103@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:55:36 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Berry CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A new TP600??? References: <3761DB88.9349B712@icanect.net> <3763A0E7.B690427@sls.lcs.mit.edu> <000f01beb5f5$dc00af80$66276420@thinkpad> <3765C3CE.C461828B@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The descriptions of such computers as well as the answers to your questions are in http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/projects/wearables/ Jonathan Berry wrote: > > In article <3765C3CE.C461828B@icanect.net>, Bill Morrow wrote: > > :in a few years, you'll wear your thinkpad and use virtual reality 'goggles'.. > : > > I'd prefer a tiny screen (LCD?) on the eyeglasses. That way you > could ride your bicycle while computing. The keyboard would be > a vest, and typing on it would resemble scratching your ribs. > > This would cause a lot of traffic accidents and raise the GNP. > > Incidentally, what every happened to the tiny screen idea? > Is the technology not available, or would it just be impossible > for eyes to focus on something so close? Or ... ? > > -- > cheers > Jonathan ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 15 20:26:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA26340 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27985; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:23:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27658; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27641; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:23:18 -0400 Received: from 51.chicago-13-14rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.153.51]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990616002315.GVYN9693@51.chicago-13-14rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:23:15 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: FWIW, New IBM Mini Notebook..! Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:22:26 GMT Message-ID: <3769edd6.3442431@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <003301beb753$c72630d0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> In-Reply-To: <003301beb753$c72630d0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:23:26 -0700, "Michael Geary" wrote: >Looks like a nice machine! It appears to be a new design, unrelated to the >ThinkPad 235/Ricoh Magio/Hitachi VisionBook Traveler. It does look nice - if the battery life is over two hours, I'm sold. Btw, one of the links Jane posted lists a suggested retail price of $1999 and a release date of June 25th. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 15 23:24:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA27392 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04335; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:21:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03948; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03935; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:21:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (194.217.242.41 -> finch-post-12.mail.demon.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:21:18 -0400 Received: from bs28ha.demon.co.uk ([158.152.181.205]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10u6GJ-000Joe-0C for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 03:21:16 +0000 To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: FWIW, New IBM Mini Notebook..! Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 03:19:29 GMT Message-ID: <376814dd.123141738@post.demon.co.uk> References: <003301beb753$c72630d0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <3769edd6.3442431@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <3769edd6.3442431@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:22:26 GMT, epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) wrote: > It does look nice - if the battery life is over two hours, I'm sold. >Btw, one of the links Jane posted lists a suggested retail price of = $1999 >and a release date of June 25th. > epbrown On IBM's Japanese site where details of the TP240 has appeared for a while now, one of the pictures seems to indicate an option if external extended battery pack - sadly, I cannot read japanese, so that;s as far as I know about this. See http://www.ibm.co.jp/pc/thinkpad/tp24095/tp24095i.html Actually, for the past couple of weeks I've been seriously considering purchasing the Japanese model of this machine from Dynamism, but the shipment of the machine seems to be delayed. So, I am very happy to hear that an English version has arrived. I wonder how long till it makes it across the pond to the UK? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 15 23:28:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA27410 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04762; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:25:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04474; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04461; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:25:11 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-346.gate.net [199.227.131.155]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA100824; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:26:58 -0400 Message-ID: <37671911.D2203D36@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:25:05 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Emanuel Brown CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: FWIW, New IBM Mini Notebook..! References: <003301beb753$c72630d0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <3769edd6.3442431@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i already have an order for one, so i might get a look at it.. :-) Emanuel Brown wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:23:26 -0700, "Michael Geary" > wrote: > >Looks like a nice machine! It appears to be a new design, unrelated to the > >ThinkPad 235/Ricoh Magio/Hitachi VisionBook Traveler. > > It does look nice - if the battery life is over two hours, I'm sold. > Btw, one of the links Jane posted lists a suggested retail price of $1999 > and a release date of June 25th. > epbrown > Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 > Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html > Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 01:00:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA27837 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08411; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:59:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08260; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08234; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:58:26 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-227-206.usc.edu [128.125.227.206]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA29420; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 21:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990615215537.02a83d90@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 21:57:09 -0700 To: Bill Morrow , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: FWIW, New IBM Mini Notebook..! In-Reply-To: <37671911.D2203D36@icanect.net> References: <003301beb753$c72630d0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <3769edd6.3442431@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:25 PM 6/15/99 -0400, you wrote: >i already have an order for one, so i might get a look at it.. :-) So what are the dimensions & basic specs? - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 01:31:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA27998 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09765; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:30:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09634; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09621; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:29:58 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.26.99]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990616052956.MOAQ12284@dts-jl> for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 05:29:56 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990616013054.00a8ee90@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:30:54 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: FWIW, New IBM Mini Notebook..! In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990615215537.02a83d90@rcf.usc.edu> References: <37671911.D2203D36@icanect.net> <003301beb753$c72630d0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <3769edd6.3442431@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:57 PM 6/15/99 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > So what are the dimensions & basic specs? > 300MHz Celaron, 128KB L2, 64MB, 6.4GB, 10.4" TFT, external floppy, v.90, IR, 2.9lbs, 1.05"x10.2"x8.0", CD optional, 1 year warranty From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 02:02:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA28295 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10699; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:01:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10563; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10550; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:01:12 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-346.gate.net [199.227.131.155]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA227408; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:03:01 -0400 Message-ID: <37673DA4.F6FDB651@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:01:08 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: FWIW, New IBM Mini Notebook..! References: <003301beb753$c72630d0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> <3769edd6.3442431@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <4.1.19990615215537.02a83d90@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Randy.. this new thinkpad is not in the most recent IBM sales stuff.. all i have is whats available on the net... Randal Whittle wrote: > At 11:25 PM 6/15/99 -0400, you wrote: > >i already have an order for one, so i might get a look at it.. :-) > > So what are the dimensions & basic specs? > > - Randy Whittle -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 08:34:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA00143 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00621; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:33:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00335; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00321; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:33:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA04105 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:29:30 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: OT: HDD Imaging S/W Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Sorry for the OT post but this is always the best place to get good answers :) Not to mention I really don't know any other worthwhile place to post this question :( I need to be able to save a HDD partitian to tape for backup. I know Power Quest has something like "disk image" that will do what I want but I called them and it will not work with a tape device. Basically what I want is a way to save a 2.1GB partitian so that if I blow it away it can be restored in one shot. TIA From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 08:40:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA00216 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00980; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:39:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00904; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00863; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:39:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA07501; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 05:38:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 05:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: rj cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: OT: HDD Imaging S/W In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, rj wrote: > Sorry for the OT post but this is always the best place to get > good answers :) Not to mention I really don't know any other worthwhile > place to post this question :( > > I need to be able to save a HDD partitian to tape for backup. I know > Power Quest has something like "disk image" that will do what I want > but I called them and it will not work with a tape device. Basically > what I want is a way to save a 2.1GB partitian so that if I blow it > away it can be restored in one shot. Hmmm, I haven't personally use it but probably Norton Ghost or PowerQuest's DiskImage. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 09:18:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00561 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03161; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:17:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02953; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst088.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02898; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst088.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.88 -> wwcst088.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:17:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 10239 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 1999 13:17:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19990616131703.10238.qmail@wwcst088.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.88 by wwcst088 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Wed Jun 16 13:17:03 GMT 1999 Date: 16 Jun 99 08:17:03 CDT From: Rob Bell To: rj , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: OT: HDD Imaging S/W X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: RJ, If normal tape backup software doesn't do what you want (backing up all individual files on a drive to tape), then you could try this: Use Ghost or another partition image utility to create an image of your partition. Now use the tape backup software to backup that *one* image f= ile (*.gho or *.img, etc.) to tape. Restoring your partition would be a two step process: retrieve the backe= d up image file off tape, then using the Ghost software to restore the partiti= on. Caveat: I've never actually done these steps together. I've done both processes independently of one another, and they seem like they could wor= k together to get your desired results. One other idea... = Some tape backup devices have drivers to allow the system to see them as standard random access read/write hard disks. If yours supports this, th= en set it up as a drive and use your image software to back up to it. Once = the system thinks the tape drive is the E: drive (for instance), the image software shouldn't care what its underlying media is. HTH, Rob -------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Minnesota Webmaster CSC Consulting Group, Minneapolis, MN rbell1@netscape.net -------------------------------------- rj wrote: > Sorry for the OT post but this is always the best place to get > good answers :) Not to mention I really don't know any other worthwhile= > place to post this question :( > = > I need to be able to save a HDD partitian to tape for backup. I know > Power Quest has something like "disk image" that will do what I want > but I called them and it will not work with a tape device. Basically > what I want is a way to save a 2.1GB partitian so that if I blow it = > away it can be restored in one shot. > = > TIA ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 10:47:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01385 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08794; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:46:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08588; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08547; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:45:50 -0400 Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id HAA27593 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990616071042.00cc5e80@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:43:54 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: OT: HDD Imaging S/W In-Reply-To: <19990616131703.10238.qmail@wwcst088.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: >rj wrote: >> Sorry for the OT post but this is always the best place to get >> good answers :) Not to mention I really don't know any other worthwhile >> place to post this question :( >> >> I need to be able to save a HDD partitian to tape for backup. I know >> Power Quest has something like "disk image" that will do what I want >> but I called them and it will not work with a tape device. Basically >> what I want is a way to save a 2.1GB partitian so that if I blow it >> away it can be restored in one shot. Utilities like Disk Image or Ghost are not tape backup utilities. They are designed to work directly from one hard drive to another, possibly across a network, but NOT to/from a tape device. Storing data to tape is the critical step. Using a utility like Drive Image or Ghost before backing up to tape is probably an unnecessary step. The tape restore process should be able to replace all the existing files on the target hard drive partition, regardless of what is already loaded. The real trick is choosing a GOOD tape backup package. Many of the cheaper packages work as Windows devices, which means that in order to restore the data to the hard drive after a disaster, you will first have to load DOS, then Windows, then the tape backup package, then (finally) you'll be able to restore the important data. I can tell you from experience that at the critical time when your HD is a data nightmare, you aren't going to want to start looking for all the other disks/CDs necessary to get your backup device running again! The better tape backup software packages have the ability to make an emergency rescue floppy. This floppy is able to boot to DOS and has all of the necessary drivers to run a primitive restore program, DIRECTLY >FROM DOS!!! No loading all the other software first! I will never again purchase tape backup software that doesn't have this feature. One other suggestion. Be certain to veryify that the backup software/hardware is capable of actually restoring the data from the tape. Many people (and many companies) purchase a tape backup system, install the software and blindly begin periodic backups of their critical data to tape, but skip the one-time step to verify that a restore is possible. Then, when the ugly day comes when they have a disaster and need to restore, they find out that for some reason (bad tape, missing patch that fixes a backup bug, dirty tape heads, etc) they cannot restore their data. WHATEVER IT TAKES, NO MATTER HOW LONG OR DIFFICULT, IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT YOU VERIFY THE ABILITY TO RESTORE DATA **BEFORE** TRUSTING THAT YOUR IMPORTANT DATA IS SAFE ON A BACKUP TAPE!!! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 10:49:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01422 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08339; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:41:06 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08026; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:41:03 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id KAA23143 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07270; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:29:16 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.0) id KAA04776 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from Atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.0) with SMTP id KAA04537; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:29:00 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.33) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <5395.990616@falkor.chi.il.us> To: rj CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: OT: HDD Imaging S/W In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 r> Power Quest has something like "disk image" that will do what I want r> but I called them and it will not work with a tape device. That's odd. I am almost certain that my business partner does exactly that. I believe that the main requirement is that whatever the destination is, that it is accessible from a DOS boot, since Drive Image will not save a partition while booted into Windows. Failing tape, what about a Jaz cartridge? (I would have suggested SyJet, but when they died, it seems all blank media went very fast.) Even a 1G Jaz cartridge should handle a typical 2G partition. First, the partition probably is not *completely* full. Second, Drive Image compresses the data in creating its image. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN2e0nm8pw+2/9pUJEQKt7QCgpGMAG2MVPbh4Fk7avUNKqacAZA4An3eE WWJUIPYOZIXElAw/DA0J+KEe =y+9Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 11:08:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01599 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10425; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:07:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10260; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10244; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:07:11 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29585 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <3767BD9C.278CF53C@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:07:08 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: OT: HDD Imaging S/W References: <5395.990616@falkor.chi.il.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Drive Image can also write out multiple files of a specified maximum size, so supposedly you could use more than one Jaz disk if necessary. I use Drive Image, but I have a second hard drive that I can use for this purpose with my 600. I image to the second disk, and then eventually put the image on a CD-R. I have yet to try multiple image chunks, but I think it is supposed to work. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 11:44:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02037 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13476; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:42:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13009; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12977; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:42:09 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-330.gate.net [199.227.173.76]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA55328; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:43:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3767C5C7.984C2AF5@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:41:59 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rj CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: OT: HDD Imaging S/W References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: WOW.. i read the responses to your question, and i really have little to add.. these guys who pop up with quick answers show the power and breadth of the knowledge available online in general and on this list specifically... my only addition is that my method of backup is over a LAN, here in the house.. many images of critical stuff spinning aimlessly waiting the time to copy it to a CDR or CDRW.. AND, just so you don't get the wrong impression, i do my backups regularly, every 5 or 10 years.. :-) rj wrote: > Sorry for the OT post but this is always the best place to get > good answers :) Not to mention I really don't know any other worthwhile > place to post this question :( > > I need to be able to save a HDD partitian to tape for backup. I know > Power Quest has something like "disk image" that will do what I want > but I called them and it will not work with a tape device. Basically > what I want is a way to save a 2.1GB partitian so that if I blow it > away it can be restored in one shot. > > TIA -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 11:45:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02058 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13484; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:41:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12942; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from passnotes.share.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12852; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:41:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from passnotes.share.org (192.111.120.12 -> passnotes.share.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:41:29 -0400 Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 86256792.00562245 ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:40:48 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SHARE INC To: rj cc: ThinkPad List Message-ID: <86256792.00562067.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:39:51 -0500 Subject: Re: OT: HDD Imaging S/W Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: I've used GHOST to sucessfully backup and restore partitions directly to/from SCSI tape (HP DDS-3). You just need a standard ASPI dirver for the device and it works fine. rich chong Sorry for the OT post but this is always the best place to get good answers :) Not to mention I really don't know any other worthwhile place to post this question :( I need to be able to save a HDD partitian to tape for backup. I know Power Quest has something like "disk image" that will do what I want but I called them and it will not work with a tape device. Basically what I want is a way to save a 2.1GB partitian so that if I blow it away it can be restored in one shot. TIA From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 15:42:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04756 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02673; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:40:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02420; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02399; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (192.100.81.126 -> netcom14.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:40:14 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom14.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id MAA18710 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:28:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199906161928.MAA18710@netcom14.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: laptop sizes List-Unsubscribe: 770 is a behemoth compared to a 600... I've had my 770 (13.3" model) for about a year now and am very happy with it. I don't think the 600 has a size advantage that I'd care about. I rarely take my 770 anywhere but I don't think I'd take a 600 either. There are times I've wanted a smaller machine, but that means a Toshiba 3010 / Sony Vaio 505 / Thinkpad 240 type of machine. A 600 is just not small enough to have that much portability advantage over a 770 for me. My next "serious" laptop will almost certainly be a 770X or 770Z with the 13.7" SXGA screen. Re small machines, I have a Toshiba Libretto 50ct but find I rarely use it. It takes forever to boot, and feels too much like a toy. Could someone give the basic specs of the 240? I saw the size (a little bigger than Toshiba 3010) and CPU type, but I'd like to know: 1) how many PC card slots does it have? Can it boot from an ATA card? 2) what is the screen size and resolution? IT BETTER BE XGA!!! :) 3) Is the built-in v.90 modem a real modem, or is it a Winmodem? Or worse, an Mwave? 4) What ports are built in (i.e. no external expander needed)? Serial? Parallel? USB? IEEE 1394? 5) Estimated street price and availability? Thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 16:00:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA04957 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04010; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:58:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03731; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03717; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (192.100.81.126 -> netcom14.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:58:40 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom14.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id MAA21065 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:57:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199906161957.MAA21065@netcom14.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: thinkpad 240 List-Unsubscribe: I managed to get one of those URL's to work and got some of my earlier questions answered (not all). Good points: - Standard ports are built into the unit. No replicator needed. - 64M ram included, expandable to 192 MB. This is more than most comparable units; e.g. Toshiba 3010 has a 64 MB max. - Celeron processor, faster than MMX pentium. - ERP of $1999. I expected much higher. - USB port Bad points: - 800x600 screen, not up to the standard (1024x768) set by the Sony Vaio 505TX which is a smaller computer. My housemate has the Sony and its screen is great. - It's a little thicker (1/4") than the Toshiba 3010 or Sony, but the absence of port expander makes up for that. - Queasy feeling about PCMCIA ports because of all the caveats in the description. I wonder if they used some nonstandard controller. - Just one type II pcmcia slot, though if the built-in modem is useable that sort of frees one sometimes. Unknowns: - Video chip set is unspecified. - Same for PCMCIA controller, USB port, and built-in modem. - Audio in/out is unspecified: soundblaster compatible? Stereo? Mic and speaker jacks on unit? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 16:08:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05079 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04907; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:07:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04761; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04603; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:05:43 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-29.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.29]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA20789 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990616160757.016bec38@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:07:57 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: laptop sizes In-Reply-To: <199906161928.MAA18710@netcom14.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:28 PM 6/16/99 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > 770 is a behemoth compared to a 600... > >I've had my 770 (13.3" model) for about a year now and am very >happy with it. I don't think the 600 has a size advantage that >I'd care about. I rarely take my 770 anywhere but I don't think >I'd take a 600 either. There are times I've wanted a smaller >machine, but that means a Toshiba 3010 / Sony Vaio 505 / Thinkpad 240 >type of machine. A 600 is just not small enough to have that much >portability advantage over a 770 for me. My next "serious" laptop >will almost certainly be a 770X or 770Z with the 13.7" SXGA screen. Jumping from a 770 to a 770x/z is a serious speed improvement. Take it from a former 770 owner. You will love it along with the SXGA screen. :) >Re small machines, I have a Toshiba Libretto 50ct but find I rarely >use it. It takes forever to boot, and feels too much like a toy. Ditto. Owned and sold two of them. They are slow as molasses, and the keyboard was simply unworkable for me (along with the dismal 640x480 resolution). > 2) what is the screen size and resolution? IT BETTER BE XGA!!! :) SVGA.... :( (800x600). ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 16:23:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05259 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05965; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:22:54 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05864; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:22:52 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id QAA25498 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05042; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:08:56 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02424; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37680124.D2E0386B@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:55:16 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: laptop sizes References: <199906161928.MAA18710@netcom14.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul Rubin wrote: > 2) what is the screen size and resolution? IT BETTER BE XGA!!! :) >From what I saw, it is 10.4" SVGA (800x600). That's a disappointment, especially since there will be (is already?) an XGA Sony 505. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 18:08:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA06399 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13045; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:06:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12851; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12823; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:06:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA01585 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:06:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:06:00 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: thinkpad 240 In-Reply-To: <199906161957.MAA21065@netcom14.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Paul Rubin wrote: > Bad points: > - Queasy feeling about PCMCIA ports because of all the caveats in > the description. I wonder if they used some nonstandard controller. Was it CardBus capable, or just PCMCIA? -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 18:08:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA06400 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13048; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:05:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12740; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12726; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:05:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA01531 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:05:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:05:21 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: OT: HDD Imaging S/W In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990616071042.00cc5e80@shell9.ba.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, David Goldman wrote: > > Utilities like Disk Image or Ghost are not tape backup utilities. They > are designed to work directly from one hard drive to another, possibly > across a network, but NOT to/from a tape device. Ghost can also save the disk image to a file, so I would think you could use it with a tape drive. Drop by www.symantec.com and do a search on ghost. They let you download it and try it out free for 30 days. > Storing data to tape is the critical step. Using a utility like Drive Image > or Ghost before backing up to tape is probably an unnecessary step. The > tape restore process should be able to replace all the existing files on > the target hard drive partition, regardless of what is already loaded. The I agree, but that's not what the original poster wanted to do. He wanted to be able to restore the entire disk image "in one shot." -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 18:32:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA06618 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14561; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:32:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14439; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from passnotes.share.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14416; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:31:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from passnotes.share.org (192.111.120.12 -> passnotes.share.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:31:56 -0400 Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 86256792.007BD45B ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:32:32 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SHARE INC To: John Kim cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <86256792.007BD27F.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:31:36 -0500 Subject: re: thinkpad 240 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: sounds like one cardbus slot. Unclear to me if there's a USB port. rich On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Paul Rubin wrote: > Bad points: > - Queasy feeling about PCMCIA ports because of all the caveats in > the description. I wonder if they used some nonstandard controller. >Was it CardBus capable, or just PCMCIA? -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 18:38:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA06706 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15139; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:37:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14989; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14950; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.112 -> pilot012.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:37:41 -0400 Received: from andres (pm531-41.dialip.mich.net [35.9.49.43]) by pilot012.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA33190 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:37:37 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990616183958.008dfea0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:39:58 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: re: thinkpad 240 In-Reply-To: <86256792.007BD27F.00@passnotes.share.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: This mail came in as I was looking at TPs at www.cdw.com. According to their spec sheet on the 240, it does indeed have a USB slot. The description for the pcmcia says "pc card slots: one type ii" which isn't too helpful. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 05:31 PM 6/16/99 -0500, Rich_Chong@mail.share.org wrote: > > >sounds like one cardbus slot. Unclear to me if there's a USB port. >rich > > >On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Paul Rubin wrote: > >> Bad points: >> - Queasy feeling about PCMCIA ports because of all the caveats in >> the description. I wonder if they used some nonstandard controller. > >>Was it CardBus capable, or just PCMCIA? > >-- >John H. Kim >kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 20:42:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07780 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19965; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:40:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19794; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19781; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:40:08 -0400 Received: from 233.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.149.233]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990617004006.QHWT15914@233.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:40:06 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: laptop sizes Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:39:17 GMT Message-ID: <3768432a.28552549@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199906161928.MAA18710@netcom14.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <199906161928.MAA18710@netcom14.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:28:51 -0700 (PDT), Paul Rubin wrote: >Could someone give the basic specs of the 240? I saw the size >(a little bigger than Toshiba 3010) and CPU type, but I'd like to >know: > 1) how many PC card slots does it have? Can it boot from an ATA card? > 2) what is the screen size and resolution? IT BETTER BE XGA!!! :) > 3) Is the built-in v.90 modem a real modem, or is it a Winmodem? > Or worse, an Mwave? > 4) What ports are built in (i.e. no external expander needed)? > Serial? Parallel? USB? IEEE 1394? > 5) Estimated street price and availability? > The 240 will have a single pc card slot, 10.4" SVGA display, serial, USB, and LPT1 ports and have an MSRP of $1999. Release date for the system is June 25th, it's expected to hit the shelves on August. I don't know the modem type, but can't recall IBM releasing a Winmodem except in the i-series (meaning Acer). epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 16 20:53:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07873 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20742; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:53:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20612; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20592; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (207.172.3.234 -> smtp1.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:52:59 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA29092; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990616205133.009783a0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:52:40 -0400 To: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) From: richard Subject: Re: laptop sizes Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3768432a.28552549@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199906161928.MAA18710@netcom14.netcom.com> <199906161928.MAA18710@netcom14.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:39 AM 6/17/99 +0000, Emanuel Brown wrote: >is June 25th, it's expected to hit the shelves on August. I don't know the >modem type, but can't recall IBM releasing a Winmodem except in the >i-series (meaning Acer). TP 570 has a lucent winmodem From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 17 00:01:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA09378 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26584; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:56:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26453; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26440; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:56:44 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-67.gate.net [207.36.212.67]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA169436; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:58:32 -0400 Message-ID: <376871F5.F5B02427@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:56:37 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Emanuel Brown CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: laptop sizes, now possible release date of 240 References: <199906161928.MAA18710@netcom14.netcom.com> <3768432a.28552549@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: FWIW, one vendor tells me end of next week.. i.e. last week of june, more or less.. per IBM.. Emanuel Brown wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:28:51 -0700 (PDT), Paul Rubin > wrote: > > >Could someone give the basic specs of the 240? I saw the size > >(a little bigger than Toshiba 3010) and CPU type, but I'd like to > >know: > > 1) how many PC card slots does it have? Can it boot from an ATA card? > > 2) what is the screen size and resolution? IT BETTER BE XGA!!! :) > > 3) Is the built-in v.90 modem a real modem, or is it a Winmodem? > > Or worse, an Mwave? > > 4) What ports are built in (i.e. no external expander needed)? > > Serial? Parallel? USB? IEEE 1394? > > 5) Estimated street price and availability? > > > The 240 will have a single pc card slot, 10.4" SVGA display, serial, > USB, and LPT1 ports and have an MSRP of $1999. Release date for the system > is June 25th, it's expected to hit the shelves on August. I don't know the > modem type, but can't recall IBM releasing a Winmodem except in the > i-series (meaning Acer). > epbrown > Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 > Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html > Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 17 07:26:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA11501 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17734; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:24:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17568; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17554; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.40 -> mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:24:00 -0400 Received: from 120.chicago-01-02rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.148.120]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990617112357.DXOG5374@120.chicago-01-02rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:23:57 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: laptop sizes, now possible release date of 240 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:23:09 GMT Message-ID: <3768d9f3.233391@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199906161928.MAA18710@netcom14.netcom.com> <3768432a.28552549@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <376871F5.F5B02427@icanect.net> In-Reply-To: <376871F5.F5B02427@icanect.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:56:37 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >FWIW, >one vendor tells me end of next week.. i.e. last week of june, more or less.. >per IBM.. I hope so, but the August date was on the news yesterday (Bloomberg Business News), part of a fairly enthusiastic announcement of the 240 by their technology reviewer. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 17 07:28:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA11517 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18045; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:26:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17932; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17896; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.122 -> pilot022.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:26:27 -0400 Received: from andres (pm455-01.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.11]) by pilot022.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA25628 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:26:23 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990617072845.008d9100@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:28:45 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Release date of the new i series machines? In-Reply-To: <376871F5.F5B02427@icanect.net> References: <199906161928.MAA18710@netcom14.netcom.com> <3768432a.28552549@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: With all this talk of the release date of the 240, does anyone know when the new i series machines will be out? the 1411, 1451 and 1471 have been replaced with models ending in 2. The IBM web site now refers to them but only one company (tri-state computers) lists a price for them. Any ideas? Thanks... STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 17 18:32:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA17779 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25157; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:30:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24958; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24941; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:30:23 -0400 Received: from 111.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.150.111]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990617223020.NRCN9693@111.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:30:20 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: laptop sizes, now possible release date of 240 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:29:33 GMT Message-ID: <376d763d.1952508@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199906161928.MAA18710@netcom14.netcom.com> <3768432a.28552549@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <376871F5.F5B02427@icanect.net> <3768d9f3.233391@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <3768d9f3.233391@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:23:09 GMT, epbrown01@att.net I wrote: >On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:56:37 -0400, Bill Morrow >wrote: >>FWIW, >>one vendor tells me end of next week.. i.e. last week of june, more or less.. >>per IBM.. > > I hope so, but the August date was on the news yesterday (Bloomberg >Business News), part of a fairly enthusiastic announcement of the 240 by >their technology reviewer. > epbrown And to follow-up a bit, there's a write-up of the 240 in the Thursday New York Times, in the "Circuits" section, and a "First Look" from PC Magazine at http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,406643,00.html. Bad news about the battery life in that one, I'm afraid, though I'll wait for some more opinions/data on that. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 17 20:44:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA18522 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00534; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:41:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00404; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00388; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:41:43 -0400 Received: from cti2 (207-172-89-150.s23.as9.hck.nj.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.89.150]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id UAA22930 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003201beb923$0a784280$e0c0fea9@cti2> From: "Michael Jo" To: References: <199906161928.MAA18710@netcom14.netcom.com><3768432a.28552549@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <3.0.6.32.19990617072845.008d9100@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Release date of the new i series machines? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:39:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Our local CompUSA is already selling the 1472. I went there trying to get a look at the 1452, which, they didn't have yet. I'm not so sure I like the look of the 'ears' on the LCD panel. (They seem to protrude from the sides when the laptop is closed. ) Mike in Metro NY/NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: STeve Andre' To: Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 7:28 AM Subject: Release date of the new i series machines? > With all this talk of the release date of the 240, does anyone know when the > new i series machines will be out? the 1411, 1451 and 1471 have been replaced > with models ending in 2. The IBM web site now refers to them but only one > company (tri-state computers) lists a price for them. Any ideas? Thanks... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 17 21:18:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA18727 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01982; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:17:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01834; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pyrrhus.pyrrhusoft.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01821; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pyrrhus.pyrrhusoft.com (204.181.57.43 -> p57043.syspac.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:16:54 -0400 Received: by pyrrhus.pyrrhusoft.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m10unEb-000103C; Thu, 17 Jun 99 18:14 MST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 99 18:14 MST From: jones@pyrrhusoft.com (David Jones) To: epbrown01@att.net CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: laptop sizes, now possible release date of 240 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the pointers to the two reviews of the 240. The one in the NY Times prompts me to ask why on earth did IBM not resurrect the folding keyboard of the 701? David Jones ...there's a write-up of the 240 in the Thursday New York Times, in the "Circuits" section, and a "First Look" from PC Magazine at http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,406643,00.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 18 08:32:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA21918 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29133; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:30:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28935; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28910; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (204.255.214.21) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:30:09 -0400 Received: from capecod.net (camb1148.capecod.net [209.244.250.132]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA23695 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:30:04 -0400 Message-ID: <376A3ACD.F3FABF14@capecod.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:25:49 -0400 From: rdietric Reply-To: bigdaddy@ieee.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: TP760XD Linux Mwave driver Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know where I can get a Linux driver for the Mwave modem built into the TP? Thanks Bob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 18 10:20:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA22686 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05919; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:18:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05761; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05726; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:18:20 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-470.gate.net [199.227.173.216]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA118476; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:20:08 -0400 Message-ID: <376A5524.2904717A@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:18:12 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bigdaddy@ieee.org CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: TP760XD Linux Mwave driver References: <376A3ACD.F3FABF14@capecod.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: IBM is supposed to be working on linux for thinkpads, no official word that i have seen as yet... most likely, the linux users will be out first with such a driver.. reality??? get a PC card modem and it'll be faster, likely more stable and for sure - sooner.. :-) if i EVER get the time to finish it up, i'm rewriting my site now and i'm going to put linux hints therein.. :-) rdietric wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get a Linux driver for the Mwave modem > built into the TP? > Thanks > Bob -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 18 14:02:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24817 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20659; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:00:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20377; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20356; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (144.92.108.61 -> ssec.wisc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:00:42 -0400 Received: from mail.ssec.wisc.edu (mail.ssec.wisc.edu [144.92.108.227]) by ssec.wisc.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA37375 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:00:40 -0500 Received: by mail.ssec.wisc.edu with ADMIN;18 Jun 1999 12:59:30 -0600 Message-ID: <376A8EE2.D5744FF3@ssec.wisc.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:24:35 -0500 From: Paul Schnettler Reply-To: paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu Organization: UW-Space Science & Engineering Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: IBM and Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm not positive, but I did read a report last week where IBM's main focus re:Linux will be to integrate REDHAT Linux into the AIX o/s for the unix community. Current focus is for the RS6000 base that's screaming the loudest. Some type of IBM and Caldera marriage in the works? Like Bill said though, it'll be a while, don't hold your breath...you might turn big blue! Paul Schnettler From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 18 14:06:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24852 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21110; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:04:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20923; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.trincoll.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20909; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.trincoll.edu (157.252.10.251 -> mail.cc.trincoll.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:04:49 -0400 Received: from dhowery-home33 (gen-37.dialin.trincoll.edu [157.252.8.164]) by mail.trincoll.edu (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id OAA07687; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906181804.OAA07687@mail.trincoll.edu> Reply-To: From: "David Howery" To: " Cc: Subject: TP770Z Modem UpGrade Problem Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:02:56 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello All: I need some help. I tried upgrading the modem driver on my new 770Z which is running NT 4, to release ThinkPad Modem 2.51 build 06, version W32TADR251 2.418. I followed the instructions to remove the existing driver, reboot and install the new driver. All appeared to go well until I tried to use the modem. It won't work. The machine says the modem is there but another program is using it. I looked every where but can't find another program which is using the modem. Has anyone else encountered this problem? -- David C. Howery Dept. of Biology LSC 314 Phone 860 297-5189 Trinity College FAX 860 297-2538 300 Summit Street eMail dhowery@trincoll.edu Hartford, CT 06106-3100 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 18 15:05:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25354 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24923; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:03:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24726; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24692; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (206.247.247.110 -> aspen.wwsi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:03:47 -0400 Received: from ssh (needToKnowBasis.leopard.com [199.239.18.87] (may be forged)) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13284 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:56:02 GMT Message-Id: <4.2.0.54.19990618125629.009be210@a-basin.wwsi.com> X-Sender: ssh@a-basin.wwsi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.54 (Beta) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:05:36 -0600 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: IBM and Linux In-Reply-To: <376A8EE2.D5744FF3@ssec.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: This is not accurate. They have committed to making Linux available as one of the OSs for all of their PC product lines: Thinkpads, Netfinity servers, and their desktops. See http://www.ibm.com/linux/. ssh At 01:24 PM 6/18/99 -0500, Paul Schnettler wrote: >I'm not positive, but I did read a report last week where IBM's main >focus re:Linux will be to integrate REDHAT Linux into the AIX o/s for >the unix community. Current focus is for the RS6000 base that's >screaming the loudest. >Some type of IBM and Caldera marriage in the works? >Like Bill said though, it'll be a while, don't hold your breath...you >might turn big blue! >Paul Schnettler > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 18 15:54:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25799 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27782; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:53:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27568; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27538; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906181953.PAA27538@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (128.95.79.96 -> tokeru.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:53:09 -0400 Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Sat, 17 Jun 1989 12:50:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:53:11 +0000 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: apm in RedHat linux 6.0 on tp600 List-Unsubscribe: I should have known not to mess with something that's working. In RH 5.2 one could get apm to work perfectly on a tp600 by undef'ing APM_NOINTS in /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/apm_bios.c. Apm doesn't work out of the box in RH6, so I went looking for this option. apm_bios.c does not seem to exist in the new source tree, and I can't find APM_NOINTS in any source file. Any tips? -Victor ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 18 16:04:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA25891 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28588; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:02:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28438; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28423; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:02:44 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16525; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <376AA5DC.A3F24A37@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:02:36 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Kress CC: Thinkpad mailing list , Lee Hetherington Subject: Re: apm in RedHat linux 6.0 on tp600 References: <199906181953.PAA27538@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------B7EB0ADF68FE8908469085B1" List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B7EB0ADF68FE8908469085B1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In Linux 2.2 it is now a kernel config option. Attached is the .config file I generated with Linux 2.2.7 + NFSv3 patches for my 600. It was Red Hat 5.2, but that shouldn't matter. --Lee Hetherington --------------B7EB0ADF68FE8908469085B1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="config-2.2.7-nfsv3-tp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="config-2.2.7-nfsv3-tp" # # Automatically generated make config: don't edit # # # Code maturity level options # # CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL is not set # # Processor type and features # # CONFIG_M386 is not set # CONFIG_M486 is not set # CONFIG_M586 is not set # CONFIG_M586TSC is not set CONFIG_M686=y CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK=y CONFIG_X86_INVLPG=y CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y CONFIG_X86_POPAD_OK=y CONFIG_X86_TSC=y CONFIG_X86_GOOD_APIC=y # CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION is not set CONFIG_MTRR=y # CONFIG_SMP is not set # # Loadable module support # CONFIG_MODULES=y CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y # CONFIG_KMOD is not set # # General setup # CONFIG_NET=y CONFIG_PCI=y # CONFIG_PCI_GOBIOS is not set # CONFIG_PCI_GODIRECT is not set CONFIG_PCI_GOANY=y CONFIG_PCI_BIOS=y CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT=y CONFIG_PCI_QUIRKS=y CONFIG_PCI_OLD_PROC=y # CONFIG_MCA is not set # CONFIG_VISWS is not set CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT=y CONFIG_SYSCTL=y CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=y CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y # CONFIG_PARPORT is not set CONFIG_APM=y # CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND is not set # CONFIG_APM_DO_ENABLE is not set CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE=y # CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK is not set CONFIG_APM_POWER_OFF=y # CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_MULTIPLE_SUSPEND is not set # CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_SUSPEND_BOUNCE is not set # CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT is not set CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS=y # # Plug and Play support # # CONFIG_PNP is not set # # Block devices # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y # # Please see Documentation/ide.txt for help/info on IDE drives # # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDETAPE is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640_ENHANCED is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RZ1000=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPCI=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OFFBOARD is not set CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y # CONFIG_IDE_CHIPSETS is not set # # Additional Block Devices # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NBD is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_XD is not set CONFIG_PARIDE_PARPORT=y # CONFIG_PARIDE is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD is not set # # Networking options # CONFIG_PACKET=y # CONFIG_NETLINK is not set # CONFIG_FIREWALL is not set # CONFIG_FILTER is not set CONFIG_UNIX=y CONFIG_INET=y # CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST is not set # CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER is not set # CONFIG_IP_PNP is not set # CONFIG_IP_ROUTER is not set # CONFIG_NET_IPIP is not set # CONFIG_NET_IPGRE is not set # CONFIG_IP_ALIAS is not set # CONFIG_SYN_COOKIES is not set # # (it is safe to leave these untouched) # # CONFIG_INET_RARP is not set CONFIG_SKB_LARGE=y # # # # CONFIG_IPX is not set # CONFIG_ATALK is not set # # SCSI support # # CONFIG_SCSI is not set # # Network device support # # CONFIG_NETDEVICES is not set # # Amateur Radio support # # CONFIG_HAMRADIO is not set # # ISDN subsystem # # CONFIG_ISDN is not set # # Old CD-ROM drivers (not SCSI, not IDE) # # CONFIG_CD_NO_IDESCSI is not set # # Character devices # CONFIG_VT=y CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_SERIAL=y # CONFIG_SERIAL_CONSOLE is not set # CONFIG_SERIAL_EXTENDED is not set # CONFIG_SERIAL_NONSTANDARD is not set CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS=y CONFIG_UNIX98_PTY_COUNT=256 CONFIG_MOUSE=y # # Mice # # CONFIG_ATIXL_BUSMOUSE is not set # CONFIG_BUSMOUSE is not set # CONFIG_MS_BUSMOUSE is not set CONFIG_PSMOUSE=y # CONFIG_82C710_MOUSE is not set # CONFIG_PC110_PAD is not set # CONFIG_QIC02_TAPE is not set # CONFIG_WATCHDOG is not set # CONFIG_NVRAM is not set # CONFIG_RTC is not set # # Video For Linux # # CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV is not set # # Joystick support # # CONFIG_JOYSTICK is not set # CONFIG_DTLK is not set # # Ftape, the floppy tape device driver # # CONFIG_FTAPE is not set # # Filesystems # # CONFIG_QUOTA is not set CONFIG_AUTOFS_FS=y # CONFIG_AFFS_FS is not set # CONFIG_HFS_FS is not set CONFIG_FAT_FS=y CONFIG_MSDOS_FS=y # CONFIG_UMSDOS_FS is not set CONFIG_VFAT_FS=y CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=y CONFIG_JOLIET=y # CONFIG_MINIX_FS is not set # CONFIG_NTFS_FS is not set # CONFIG_HPFS_FS is not set CONFIG_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS=y # CONFIG_ROMFS_FS is not set CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y # CONFIG_SYSV_FS is not set # CONFIG_UFS_FS is not set # # Network File Systems # # CONFIG_CODA_FS is not set CONFIG_NFS_FS=y # CONFIG_NFSD_SUN is not set CONFIG_SUNRPC=y CONFIG_LOCKD=y CONFIG_NFS_V3=y # CONFIG_SMB_FS is not set # CONFIG_NCP_FS is not set # # Partition Types # # CONFIG_BSD_DISKLABEL is not set # CONFIG_MAC_PARTITION is not set # CONFIG_SMD_DISKLABEL is not set # CONFIG_SOLARIS_X86_PARTITION is not set CONFIG_NLS=y # # Native Language Support # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_437=y # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_737 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_775 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_850 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_852 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_855 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_857 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_860 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_861 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_862 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_863 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_864 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_865 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_866 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_869 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_874 is not set CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_1=y # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_2 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_3 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_4 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_5 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_6 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_7 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_8 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_9 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_15 is not set # CONFIG_NLS_KOI8_R is not set # # Console drivers # CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y # CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT is not set # # Sound # # CONFIG_SOUND is not set # # Kernel hacking # CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y --------------B7EB0ADF68FE8908469085B1-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 18 16:12:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA25969 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29181; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:04:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28649; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28624; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:04:08 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16543; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <376AA633.82B649D6@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:04:03 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Kress , Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: apm in RedHat linux 6.0 on tp600 References: <199906181953.PAA27538@CS.UTK.EDU> <376AA5DC.A3F24A37@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I forgot to point out that CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS is the relevant piece. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 18 16:12:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA25974 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29184; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:04:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28745; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newton.uucp (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28681; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newton.uucp (206.16.41.119 -> async-lgcy-06-119.lgcy.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:04:24 -0400 Received: (from perfekt@localhost) by newton.uucp (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA04752; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:02:37 -0600 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199906181953.PAA27538@CS.UTK.EDU> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:02:35 -0600 (MDT) Reply-To: Aron Hsiao Sender: newton!perfekt@mail.lgcy.com From: Aron Hsiao To: Victor Kress Subject: RE: apm in RedHat linux 6.0 on tp600 Cc: Thinkpad mailing list List-Unsubscribe: On 18-Jun-99 Victor Kress wrote: > I should have known not to mess with something that's working. > > In RH 5.2 one could get apm to work perfectly on a tp600 by undef'ing > APM_NOINTS in > /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/apm_bios.c. Apm doesn't work out of the box > in RH6, so I > went looking for this option. apm_bios.c does not seem to exist in the > new source tree, > and I can't find APM_NOINTS in any source file. Any tips? > > -Victor Not really. Unfortunately, the APM on ThinkPads is just screwy for some reason, and the kernel keeps changing to try to meet it. In 2.2 kernels, there are a few things that were inserted -just for- thinkpads, but I still can't get my 760C to do it properly. Here's a detail of how difficult it can be: to get mine to suspend, I first had to discover that: 1. It wouldn't restore properly if it had been suspended with X on the display. 2. Hardware suspend (Fn-combo) didn't work at all, and neither did "hood-down" suspend. So, I developed this process: 1. Disable hardware suspends as much as possible. 2. Install apmd (not the daemon part, though -- just to get the 'apm' program). 3. Build a bash script which basically did this: a. Switch from X to a VT with 'chvt /dev/tty3' a1.sleep 2 seconds b. Software suspend with the 'apm' program. b1.sleep 2 seconds c. Switch back to X with 'chvt /dev/tty2' (which is where my X is) Since step b. suspends the machine, when I unsuspend it by holding down 'Fn', step c. is executed and X is again displayed on the screen. I've added this little script to my WindowMaker desktop, so that I now suspend with a menu option rather than with any sort of hardware action. I don't know if you'll have luck with anything similar, but it has worked for me on a TP760C. You can try hacking on the kernel as well; it seems like it's usually a fairly simple problem with lost interrupts on most ThinkPads, but unfortunately, they're not all the same, so it's hard for the kernel to find a consistent solution. They're really great machines, but for some reason, IBM's APM BIOS implementation seems to have always left something to be desired. Good luck! -Aron -- ### These opinions are mine and no one else's. ### ---------------------------------------------------------------- ### L I N U X : The choice of a GNU generation! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 18 16:25:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26108 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01550; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:23:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01335; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01321; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:23:12 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16678; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <376AAAAA.829E5323@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:23:06 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aron Hsiao CC: Victor Kress , Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: apm in RedHat linux 6.0 on tp600 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have had good luck suspending Linux a 760C, a 760E, a 770, and now a 600. I have had nothing but trouble when I run apmd. It always seems to block suspend for me, but maybe I misconfigured something. In any case, I've been fine without apmd. I always suspend via hardware, either Fn-F4, Fn-F7, or closing the lid. Linux sure resumes a lot faster than Win98! --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 18 19:15:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA27819 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09146; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:13:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08982; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08969; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:13:17 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-420.gate.net [199.227.131.229]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA273716; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:15:03 -0400 Message-ID: <376AD283.FED62B2C@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:13:07 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Hultquist CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: IBM and Linux References: <4.2.0.54.19990618125629.009be210@a-basin.wwsi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steve.. thanks for the link.. :-) Steve Hultquist wrote: > This is not accurate. They have committed to making Linux available as one > of the OSs for all of their PC product lines: Thinkpads, Netfinity servers, > and their desktops. See http://www.ibm.com/linux/. > > ssh > > At 01:24 PM 6/18/99 -0500, Paul Schnettler wrote: > >I'm not positive, but I did read a report last week where IBM's main > >focus re:Linux will be to integrate REDHAT Linux into the AIX o/s for > >the unix community. Current focus is for the RS6000 base that's > >screaming the loudest. > >Some type of IBM and Caldera marriage in the works? > >Like Bill said though, it'll be a while, don't hold your breath...you > >might turn big blue! > >Paul Schnettler > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 18 21:41:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA28915 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14213; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:39:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13822; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onlink4.onlink.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13808; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onlink4.onlink.net (206.108.253.68 -> onlink4.onlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:39:03 -0400 Received: from nrba2-77.onlink.net (nrba2-77.onlink.net [207.210.99.206]) by onlink4.onlink.net (8.8.7/) with SMTP id VAA88410 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:38:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199906190138.VAA88410@onlink4.onlink.net> From: "Alex Bell" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:31:40 +0000 Reply-To: "Alex Bell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Suspend woes 99% fixed List-Unsubscribe: Many thanks to all the people who responded with comments and suggestions about my difficulties with suspend mode on my 385XD. Now that the technician has put the correct system board into the computer the problem is almost fixed. But when the Thinkpad had a 2635 EAU (380 XD P2) system board the Thinkpad configuration utility showed that this was the system board, which was the first clue to me that a mistake had been made. Now that the correct board is in place the Thinkpad configuration utility does not show anything for the system board, just a blank. Is this a problem? For what it is worth the system seems faster now that I have the system board in place for which Windows 98 and OS/2 were installed. Does this make sense? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 18 21:41:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA28916 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14211; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:39:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13904; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onlink4.onlink.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13862; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onlink4.onlink.net (206.108.253.68 -> onlink4.onlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:39:27 -0400 Received: from nrba2-77.onlink.net (nrba2-77.onlink.net [207.210.99.206]) by onlink4.onlink.net (8.8.7/) with SMTP id VAA79470 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:39:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199906190139.VAA79470@onlink4.onlink.net> From: "Alex Bell" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:38:40 +0000 Reply-To: "Alex Bell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Linux / Boot Manager / OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: I am thinking of installing Red Hat Linux 5.2 on my Thinkpad 385XD. Has anyone done this? Any problems? I now have Windows 98 on C, OS/2 on D, applications and data on E, and a BootOS2 maintenance partition on F, with G being the CDRom. I intend to erase Windows 98 from C, and install Linux instead. But my preliminary reading seems to indicate that Linux will make several new partitions. OS/2 will continue to be my main system. Will the drive letters change when using OS/2? Is there a better way of installing Linux? I am now using Bootmanager. Will this continue to work if I install Linux? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 19 02:57:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA00467 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24488; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:56:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24356; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24342; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:56:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (194.217.242.41 -> finch-post-12.mail.demon.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:56:40 -0400 Received: from bs28ha.demon.co.uk ([158.152.181.205]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10vF3N-0000yP-0C for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 06:56:37 +0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops Subject: IBM ThinkPad dealer suggestion please Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 06:54:50 GMT Message-ID: <37733ead.115718962@news.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I am looking for a friendly and reliable authorised dealer of IBM ThinkPads in the USA that will take payment by a foreign (UK) credit card but will deliver to a US address. This is because I am thinking of having my US-based brother bring over a ThinkPad (probably a TP600 or a TP240 - if available) for me on his next trip to the UK next month. The price difference between machines sold in the US and the UK are staggering. Any suggestions based on your personal experiences would be most appreciated. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 19 06:02:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA01008 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 06:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07674; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 06:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 19 Jun 1999 06:01:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07526; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 06:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07513; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 06:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Jun 1999 06:01:23 -0400 Received: from thomsonp (client-151-200-121-133.bellatlantic.net [151.200.121.133]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA06155 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 06:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001601beba3b$331b0c40$8579c897@thomsonp> From: "Paul Thomson" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: HDD Imaging S/W Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 06:05:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Ghost will also save a drive or partition image to removable media (Zip or Jaz, maybe more), prompting you for the next disk along the way. I haven't used it since Symantec bought Ghostsoft, but I believe there were plans to support tape as well. Paul Thomson paul_thomson@bigfoot.com thomsonp@us.ibm.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kim To: Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 6:05 PM Subject: Re: OT: HDD Imaging S/W > On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, David Goldman wrote: > > > > Utilities like Disk Image or Ghost are not tape backup utilities. They > > are designed to work directly from one hard drive to another, possibly > > across a network, but NOT to/from a tape device. > > Ghost can also save the disk image to a file, so I would think > you could use it with a tape drive. Drop by www.symantec.com > and do a search on ghost. They let you download it and try it > out free for 30 days. > > > Storing data to tape is the critical step. Using a utility like Drive Image > > or Ghost before backing up to tape is probably an unnecessary step. The > > tape restore process should be able to replace all the existing files on > > the target hard drive partition, regardless of what is already loaded. The > > I agree, but that's not what the original poster wanted to do. > He wanted to be able to restore the entire disk image "in one > shot." > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 19 15:24:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03741 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20848; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:22:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20683; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20670; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (209.133.104.8 -> mb3.mailbank.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:22:50 -0400 Received: from crombie (ts1-5.regent.axion.net [209.52.51.5]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA18095 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 12:22:47 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01beba89$0c748000$053334d1@bbe.ca> From: "David S. Crombie" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: TP Hard drive problem - 365XD Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 12:22:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I am trying to de-compress a 810 HD on my 365XD - even though scandisk does not detect errors (throrough) Drivespace 3 (win98) still says there are errors. A high-level format will not erase compression. Will a low-level format get rid of the compression on the drive and if so - what program can I use to do a low-level format? I couldn't find anytning at the IBM site. I am also looking at upgrading - what is the best place to purchase and are there any manufacturers to stay away from? Thanks ____________________ David S. Crombie david@crombie.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 19 16:00:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA04027 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21947; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:59:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21817; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21804; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:59:32 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-59.gate.net [207.36.212.59]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA305438; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:01:16 -0400 Message-ID: <376BF697.FB0AB424@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:59:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David S. Crombie" CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: TP Hard drive problem - 365XD References: <000a01beba89$0c748000$053334d1@bbe.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David.. i never use drive compression.. i think you'll need to decompress the drive.. and ignor the errors it reports, then try wiping out the FAT and use fdisk to set it up again.. not sure i would want to do a low level format, but you can if you want.. use IBM drives.. they're the best, and they are relatively cheap.. David S. Crombie wrote: > I am trying to de-compress a 810 HD on my 365XD - even though scandisk does > not detect errors (throrough) Drivespace 3 (win98) still says there are > errors. A high-level format will not erase compression. Will a low-level > format get rid of the compression on the drive and if so - what program can > I use to do a low-level format? I couldn't find anytning at the IBM site. > > I am also looking at upgrading - what is the best place to purchase and are > there any manufacturers to stay away from? > > Thanks > > ____________________ > David S. Crombie > david@crombie.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 20 16:52:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA11917 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06660; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:49:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06440; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06426; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (208.139.144.3 -> mail.advi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:49:43 -0400 Received: from ycxfssto (s139149107.advi.net [208.139.149.107]) by mail.advi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA04338; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901bebb5e$6e46b480$6b958bd0@ycxfssto> From: "Ed Camin" To: , " Cc: References: <199906181804.OAA07687@mail.trincoll.edu> Subject: Re: TP770Z Modem UpGrade Problem Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:49:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I had the same problem on my TP600. After many hours I deleted the conflict, COM2, loaded my original modem pgm and re-booted. WIN95 reloaded everything and put COM2 on a different IRQ and all is well. I haven't tried to upgrade again. Good luck! Too bad it doesn't work like IBM said it would. I've seen others have had the same problem too. Ed To err is human, but to blame it on the computer is even more so. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Howery To: Cc: Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 2:02 PM Subject: TP770Z Modem UpGrade Problem > Hello All: > > I need some help. I tried upgrading the modem driver on my new 770Z which > is running NT 4, to release ThinkPad Modem 2.51 build 06, version > W32TADR251 2.418. I followed the instructions to remove the existing > driver, reboot and install the new driver. All appeared to go well until I > tried to use the modem. It won't work. The machine says the modem is > there but another program is using it. I looked every where but can't find > another program which is using the modem. > > Has anyone else encountered this problem? > > -- > David C. Howery > Dept. of Biology LSC 314 Phone 860 297-5189 > Trinity College FAX 860 297-2538 > 300 Summit Street eMail dhowery@trincoll.edu > Hartford, CT 06106-3100 > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 20 17:22:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA12164 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08849; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:21:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08705; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08692; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906202121.RAA08692@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (129.71.2.4 -> wvnvm.wvnet.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:21:08 -0400 Received: from teapot [129.71.229.186] by WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:23:16 EDT From: "Vrondi" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:20:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Carrying Cases Reply-to: vrondi@nettaxi.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) List-Unsubscribe: te sent: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:08:09 -0700 From: Joe Budion Send reply to: joeb@glasscity.net Organization: GlassCity Internet -- Technical Support To: Vrondi Subject: Re: Carrying Cases > Is the laptop protected well by this backpack? > What about water damage? My thinkpad had been bouncing to class with no problems. There is a good amount of padding around the laptop. it goes in the lower parts of the middle section of the backpack. The computer holder is sort of like a very padded envelope. The laptop slides into it, and a flap(also padded) fold down and velcroes. above the laptop in the middle compartment is a little pocket for floppies, one for a power supply or mouse, and some little pencil holder slots. So nothing heavy is on top the computer. The inside of this whole big copmpartment is coated witha sort of plasticy rubbery stuff that looks to be waterproof. Then this whole middle part of the back pack zips closed. And the oitside of the backpack is this water-resistant nylon looking woven fabric that you see on lots of backpacks. And I've never had problems with wet books or anything with that material. Ok that was the _middle_ section of the backpack. The back section, is the part for books. And there is padding both between it and the computer section, and between it and your back. There's _lot_ of padding in this thing really. Then the main front of the backpack has a lunchbag sort of compartment, and a bungee cord holder. I haven't walked through a torrential downpour yet, just misty sprinkles. It's been really a dry summer here. But i'm not really worried. As long as you do remember to zipt he thing shut it looks liek it'll be waterproof. //Chrys Amy Dean | Vrondi on EFNET IRC "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster; and when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 21 10:25:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA18373 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11129; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:04:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10789; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0e.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10757; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0e.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.34 -> www0e.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:04:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 27803 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jun 1999 13:04:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19990621130406.27802.qmail@www0e.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.34 by www0e via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Mon Jun 21 13:04:06 GMT 1999 Date: 21 Jun 99 08:04:06 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: ThinkPad Dilemma - advice needed X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Hello all, I've got a dilemma (albeit a good one) that I need to work out... I currently have a ThinkPad 770 (P233MMX, 128MB, 4GB, CD) that I use heav= ily. = I also have the UltraBay 2nd HDD adapter, which I use with about 5 additi= onal 760-style harddrives, containing additional operating systems. My company wants to get me a new ThinkPad, which I believe will be a 600E= (PII-366, 64MB, 6.4GB, CD or DVD). Sounds like a great machine, but I do= n't know if I should switch because of the additional HDs that I use. I'm al= so not sure of what other benefits this machine has over the 770. I don't r= eally care about size or weight or DVD. I know the 366 would be faster than th= e 233, but how much? Does the 600E have a better screen than my 770? Does anyone know an easy (and low cost) method for allowing me to use the= se additional 760-style HDs in a 600E? Would it involve buying the plastic = disk caddy for each one, and then doing surgery on all the drives? What size (thickness) HDs fit in the 600? Most of the 760-style drives I have are = the thinnest 760-style (12.5mm?), but some are the medium thickness (17mm?) = Would all of them work for me? = Additionally, would the 64MB memory chip that I have in the 770 work in t= he 600E? I run NT as my primary O/S, and it is so much happier in 128MB tha= n 64MB. = Thanks for any answers... Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 21 13:42:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20692 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29611; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:34:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29283; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29246; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906211734.NAA29246@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (128.95.79.96 -> tokeru.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:34:38 -0400 Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Tue, 20 Jun 1989 10:32:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" , "Alex Bell" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:34:45 +0000 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Linux / Boot Manager / OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:38:40 +0000, Alex Bell wrote: >I am thinking of installing Red Hat Linux 5.2 on my Thinkpad 385XD. Having just struggled with this, I'm probably a good person to answer. >Has anyone done this? Any problems? > >I now have Windows 98 on C, OS/2 on D, applications and data on E, and >a BootOS2 maintenance partition on F, with G being the CDRom. I intend >to erase Windows 98 from C, and install Linux instead. But my >preliminary reading seems to indicate that Linux will make several new >partitions. What linux does to your hard disk is pretty much up to you. You will need AT LEAST two partitions for linux: the main "/" partition and a swap partition. There is controversy over whether it is better to divide further, but this is a TP forum, not a linux minutia forum. The swap partition is of a cryptic format that ony linux will see. The main partion is ext2, which OS2 will only see if you install some freeware drivers. (I am interested in peoples experience with these drivers). >OS/2 will continue to be my main system. Will the drive >letters change when using OS/2? Is there a better way of installing >Linux? If you change what is now C: to an ext2 partion, your D: will become C; and warp won't boot. There is a good discussion of this in the Warp installation manual. You would be better off either replacing FAT c: with your data partion, or re-installing (or migrating if you are VERY brave) warp. The unix way of dealing with partitions is infiinitely better than either warp or windows. >I am now using Bootmanager. Will this continue to work if I install >Linux? Yes. it will. In fact, if you have a bootable c: partion, this is the only way the warp install program will let you put it on D: Good luck. ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 21 14:36:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21290 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04501; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:35:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04268; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04249; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:35:00 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg-20425418-88.ricochet.net [204.254.18.88]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA13035; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:34:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Rob Bell" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: ThinkPad Dilemma - advice needed Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:34:47 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bebc14$bd84aff0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19990621130406.27802.qmail@www0e.netaddress.usa.net> List-Unsubscribe: > Does the 600E have a better screen than my 770? It is the exact same screen. > Does anyone know an easy (and low cost) method for allowing me to > use these > additional 760-style HDs in a 600E? Would it involve buying the > plastic disk > caddy for each one, and then doing surgery on all the drives? What size > (thickness) HDs fit in the 600? Most of the 760-style drives I > have are the > thinnest 760-style (12.5mm?), but some are the medium thickness > (17mm?) Would > all of them work for me? None of them will work. The 600 requires 12mm drives. To continue to use your 760 drives, you would need another 770 series machine instead. Talk them into a 770Z with the 1280x1024 display. If the company is eager to get you a 600, you could get the 2nd HDD adapter for it, plus a single 6.4Gb or 10Gb drive that would probably have room for all the OS's on your 760 drives. Then you could make a bunch of partitions and use System Commander to select which one to boot. The advantage of the 600 over the 770 is basically size and weight. The slimness does make it more comfortable to type on, for me--its keyboard sits at the same height as a standard desktop keyboard. > Additionally, would the 64MB memory chip that I have in the 770 > work in the > 600E? I run NT as my primary O/S, and it is so much happier in 128MB than > 64MB. If it's a 20L0241, it will. If it's a 76H0295, it won't, according to IBM: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/tbook.pdf -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://dmoz.org/Computers/Hardware/Notebooks_and_Laptops/Makes_and_Models/IB M/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 21 17:41:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23076 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15746; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:38:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15505; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15490; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:38:26 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-79.gate.net [199.227.20.142]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA204914; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:40:16 -0400 Message-ID: <376EB0C9.F3F78DD6@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:38:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: ThinkPad Dilemma - advice needed References: <19990621130406.27802.qmail@www0e.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Rob.. Mike answered most all your questions irt the 600 vs. the 770.. if some of those drives are 12.5mm then you can EASILY use them in the 600E.. no shells, only a metal bracket.. i have them at $20 each (single piece price) and i'll do a good discount since you have gotten stuff, are a list member, and so on.. but in reality, you don't absolutely NEED the bracket.. it provieds a place for the tape handle and keeps the drive from floppying around in the drive bay or ultraslim bay... if you CAN get a 770Z, its super.. the 64meg part MIGHT work in the 600E, but my vendors have seperate p/n's for the 600 and 770 series.. Rob Bell wrote: > Hello all, > > I've got a dilemma (albeit a good one) that I need to work out... > > I currently have a ThinkPad 770 (P233MMX, 128MB, 4GB, CD) that I use heavily. > I also have the UltraBay 2nd HDD adapter, which I use with about 5 additional > 760-style harddrives, containing additional operating systems. > > My company wants to get me a new ThinkPad, which I believe will be a 600E > (PII-366, 64MB, 6.4GB, CD or DVD). Sounds like a great machine, but I don't > know if I should switch because of the additional HDs that I use. I'm also > not sure of what other benefits this machine has over the 770. I don't really > care about size or weight or DVD. I know the 366 would be faster than the > 233, but how much? Does the 600E have a better screen than my 770? > > Does anyone know an easy (and low cost) method for allowing me to use these > additional 760-style HDs in a 600E? Would it involve buying the plastic disk > caddy for each one, and then doing surgery on all the drives? What size > (thickness) HDs fit in the 600? Most of the 760-style drives I have are the > thinnest 760-style (12.5mm?), but some are the medium thickness (17mm?) Would > all of them work for me? > > Additionally, would the 64MB memory chip that I have in the 770 work in the > 600E? I run NT as my primary O/S, and it is so much happier in 128MB than > 64MB. > > Thanks for any answers... > Rob > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 21 18:48:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA23662 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18514; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:47:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18361; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18348; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (204.255.214.21 -> mailhost.capecod.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:47:12 -0400 Received: from capecod.net (buzbay51.capecod.net [208.204.66.51]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA20095 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:47:03 -0400 Message-ID: <376EBFB1.A844D355@capecod.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:41:53 -0400 From: rdietric Reply-To: bigdaddy@ieee.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: Re: TP760XD Linux Mwave driver References: <376A3ACD.F3FABF14@capecod.net> <376A5524.2904717A@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My thanks to all who responded. I am having trouble with getting the pcmcia to work on my TP760XD. When the pcmcia services are set to start at boot the system hangs up just after the keymap loads. If I reboot with the PCMCIA cards removed then the boot completes. I suspect there is something wrong with one of the configuration files, but I have been unsuccessful so far in locating it. any hints? Bill Morrow wrote: > > IBM is supposed to be working on linux for thinkpads, no official word > that i have seen as yet... > > most likely, the linux users will be out first with such a driver.. > reality??? get a PC card modem and it'll be faster, likely more stable > and for sure - sooner.. :-) > > if i EVER get the time to finish it up, i'm rewriting my site now and > i'm going to put linux hints therein.. :-) > > rdietric wrote: > > > Does anyone know where I can get a Linux driver for the Mwave modem > > built into the TP? > > Thanks > > Bob > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 21 19:39:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA24033 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20847; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:38:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20727; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20713; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (165.87.194.229 -> out2.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:38:19 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip-32-100-39-192.nj.us.ibm.net [32.100.39.192]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA258082 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:38:14 GMT Message-ID: <001001bebc3f$1b90f980$c0276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: Subject: NT Service Pak Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:37:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEBC1D.8FFABBC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEBC1D.8FFABBC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I see that NT Service Pack 5.0 is available. Which version of SP is = currently working the best with the 770 series? Which version should I go with? Don ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEBC1D.8FFABBC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I see that NT Service Pack 5.0 is = available. Which=20 version of SP is currently working the best with the 770 = series?
Which version should I go = with?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEBC1D.8FFABBC0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 21 20:16:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA24333 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22747; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:15:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22523; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22509; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.40 -> mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:15:23 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.19.147]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990622001520.HUZD1072@770> for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:15:20 +0000 Message-ID: <376ED569.4562@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:14:43 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Mystery ThinkPad! References: <19990621130406.27802.qmail@www0e.netaddress.usa.net> <376EB0C9.F3F78DD6@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I just bought a 770, model 954832U Now, here is some WEIRD stuff... The serial number sticker on the bottom has a date of "1-98" The original IBM brown box has a sticker with the exact smae serial number and model number, but with the date of "1-08-99". This is the original IBM shipping label. It also has a blurb about this computer is assembled in the USA with parts appropriate for the model n8mber under some program or other. The label also has the model number "9548-DJC" IBM says this is a 770L, whatever that means! Easy Serve says this unit shipped form the factory on 1-11-99 (consistent with the label), in spite of what it says on the serial number sticker, and the warranty is good from then! To add to the confusion, the Easy Setup has something on the config screen called: UUID. which of course is followed by all zeros! BTW, this unit is brand new with all sealed accs! Anyone got any idea what this is? I thought refurb, by IBM can not confirm this, or account for the one year discrepancy on the serial number sticker. BTW., all internal numbers match. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 21 21:08:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA24835 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24907; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:07:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24708; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24693; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (207.69.200.82 -> smtp5.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:06:58 -0400 Received: from dts-jl (user-2ivfhg5.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.198.5]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA30398 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990621210745.00a8bd00@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:07:45 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re Mystery ThinkPad Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:14 PM 6/21/99 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >I just bought a 770, model 954832U >Now, here is some WEIRD stuff... >The serial number sticker on the bottom has a date of "1-98" >The original IBM brown box has a sticker with the exact smae serial >number and model number, but with the date of "1-08-99". This is the >original IBM shipping label. It also has a blurb about this computer is >assembled in the USA with parts appropriate for the model n8mber under >some program or other. > 9548-32U means it was assembled by one of IBM's partners (Inacom, Entex/CompuCom, etc) under their AAP program (Authorized Assembly Partner, maybe? having a senior moment and can't remember). Go here -> ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf and do a search on that part number to get the details. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 21 21:28:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA25047 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26056; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:27:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25873; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25858; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (204.182.16.2 -> tdl.tdl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:27:29 -0400 Received: from chuck (tdl-dyn236.tdl.com [205.162.12.236]) by tdl.tdl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA25482 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:27:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199906220127.SAA25482@tdl.tdl.com> From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: ThinkPad Mailing List Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:27:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Mystery ThinkPad! Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <376ED569.4562@worldnet.att.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) List-Unsubscribe: On 21 Jun 99, at 20:14, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > I just bought a 770, model 954832U... Am curious. What are the specs on this? Where did you buy? What was the price? Chuck Blaisdell From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 21 21:40:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA25172 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27005; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:39:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26861; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26847; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.42 -> mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:39:23 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.16.8]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990622013916.PWIQ2409@770>; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:39:16 +0000 Message-ID: <376EE907.68E@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:38:16 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Re Mystery ThinkPad References: <3.0.1.32.19990621210745.00a8bd00@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yes, that seems to agree with the label. I wonder why the date on the case is a year apart from the build date! Jane Loyless wrote: > > At 08:14 PM 6/21/99 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > >I just bought a 770, model 954832U > >Now, here is some WEIRD stuff... > >The serial number sticker on the bottom has a date of "1-98" > >The original IBM brown box has a sticker with the exact smae serial > >number and model number, but with the date of "1-08-99". This is the > >original IBM shipping label. It also has a blurb about this computer is > >assembled in the USA with parts appropriate for the model n8mber under > >some program or other. > > > > 9548-32U means it was assembled by one of IBM's partners (Inacom, > Entex/CompuCom, etc) under their AAP program (Authorized Assembly Partner, > maybe? having a senior moment and can't remember). > > Go here -> ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf and do a search on > that part number to get the details. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 21 21:49:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA25265 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27802; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:48:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27590; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27576; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.42 -> mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:48:34 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.16.8]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990622014831.QBLO2409@770>; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:48:31 +0000 Message-ID: <376EEB44.3050@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:47:48 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Re Mystery ThinkPad References: <3.0.1.32.19990621210745.00a8bd00@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: After looking at that, it gets even stranger.. Mine came with the DVD drive, and a hard drive, and a recovery CD (not according to the specs!) Jane Loyless wrote: > > At 08:14 PM 6/21/99 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > >I just bought a 770, model 954832U > >Now, here is some WEIRD stuff... > >The serial number sticker on the bottom has a date of "1-98" > >The original IBM brown box has a sticker with the exact smae serial > >number and model number, but with the date of "1-08-99". This is the > >original IBM shipping label. It also has a blurb about this computer is > >assembled in the USA with parts appropriate for the model n8mber under > >some program or other. > > > > 9548-32U means it was assembled by one of IBM's partners (Inacom, > Entex/CompuCom, etc) under their AAP program (Authorized Assembly Partner, > maybe? having a senior moment and can't remember). > > Go here -> ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf and do a search on > that part number to get the details. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 21 21:58:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA25340 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28525; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:57:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28443; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28429; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (207.69.200.82 -> smtp5.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:57:20 -0400 Received: from dts-jl (user-2ivfhg5.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.198.5]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA14948 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990621215802.009e5440@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:58:02 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Re Mystery ThinkPad In-Reply-To: <376EEB44.3050@worldnet.att.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19990621210745.00a8bd00@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:47 PM 6/21/99 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >After looking at that, it gets even stranger.. >Mine came with the DVD drive, and a hard drive, and a recovery CD (not >according to the specs!) > Not really strange. AAP boxes are usually build-to-order, so they can have different components inside (DVD instead of CD, for example). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 21 22:46:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA25792 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00521; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:44:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00311; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00284; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.40 -> mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:44:07 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.16.29]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990622024404.LCSM1072@770>; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:44:04 +0000 Message-ID: <376EF848.3B23@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:43:21 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Re Mystery ThinkPad References: <3.0.1.32.19990621210745.00a8bd00@pop.mindspring.com> <3.0.1.32.19990621215802.009e5440@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I never even heard of that before tonite - guess you learn something new every day! Sure looks like it is built to IBM standards. And it is covered by IBM warranty. JUst wonder why there is a year between the sn sticker date and the official factory ship date. Jane Loyless wrote: > > At 09:47 PM 6/21/99 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > >After looking at that, it gets even stranger.. > >Mine came with the DVD drive, and a hard drive, and a recovery CD (not > >according to the specs!) > > > > Not really strange. AAP boxes are usually build-to-order, so they can have > different components inside (DVD instead of CD, for example). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 21 22:52:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA25855 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01167; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:51:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00973; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.softwarespectrum.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00960; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.softwarespectrum.com (198.200.41.18 -> mail2.swspectrum.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:51:08 -0400 Received: by SSIAM008 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:48:48 -0500 Message-ID: <6DB879346436D21198C500A0C9E1E1237FC945@ssiwgn03.swspectrum.co.nz> From: Nathan Mercer To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: NT Service Pak Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:00:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I'm using NT4 SP5 with my 770ED - it works fine Just make sure you read the README that comes with the Service Pack, especially with regard to the PCMCIA.SYS driver to do with the CardWizard program Cheers Nathan -----Original Message----- From: Donald Mak [mailto:dvmak@ibm.net] Sent: Tuesday, 22 June 1999 11:38 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: NT Service Pak I see that NT Service Pack 5.0 is available. Which version of SP is currently working the best with the 770 series? Which version should I go with? Don From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 21 23:15:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA26023 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02406; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:14:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02160; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02145; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:14:25 -0400 Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id UAA03517 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990621201004.04b4b4e0@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:12:30 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: NT Service Pak In-Reply-To: <001001bebc3f$1b90f980$c0276420@thinkpad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:37 PM 6/21/99 , Donald Mak wrote: > > I see that NT Service Pack 5.0 is available. Which version of SP is currently working the best with the 770 series? > Which version should I go with? I cannot answer the question you asked, but I can warn you that the 128 bit version of SP5 has serious problems which break RAS when trying to communicate with another NT system that has also installed the 128 bit version of SP5. I'm not aware of any problems when an NT system with 128 bit SP5 tries to communicate with any other non-128 bit SP5 NT system, including 40 bit versions of SP5, systems with SP4, Win95 and Win98 systems. -- David Goldman From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 22 00:59:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA26714 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06063; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:58:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05911; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05897; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:58:48 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-302.gate.net [199.227.173.48]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA435942; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:00:39 -0400 Message-ID: <376F1801.E5214A55@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:58:41 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Re Mystery ThinkPad References: <3.0.1.32.19990621210745.00a8bd00@pop.mindspring.com> <376EEB44.3050@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bruce.. you must have been at that swap meet in new jersey again..!!?! :-) Bruce Markowitz wrote: > After looking at that, it gets even stranger.. > Mine came with the DVD drive, and a hard drive, and a recovery CD (not > according to the specs!) > > Jane Loyless wrote: > > > > At 08:14 PM 6/21/99 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > > >I just bought a 770, model 954832U > > >Now, here is some WEIRD stuff... > > >The serial number sticker on the bottom has a date of "1-98" > > >The original IBM brown box has a sticker with the exact smae serial > > >number and model number, but with the date of "1-08-99". This is the > > >original IBM shipping label. It also has a blurb about this computer is > > >assembled in the USA with parts appropriate for the model n8mber under > > >some program or other. > > > > > > > 9548-32U means it was assembled by one of IBM's partners (Inacom, > > Entex/CompuCom, etc) under their AAP program (Authorized Assembly Partner, > > maybe? having a senior moment and can't remember). > > > > Go here -> ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf and do a search on > > that part number to get the details. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 22 14:09:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02159 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17543; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:07:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17416; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17396; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.52 -> smtp13.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:07:27 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26757.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.238]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA13721 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01c901bebcda$a46e3150$ee56e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: Subject: Fw: Re Mystery ThinkPad Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:11:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01C6_01BEBCB9.1D257BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01C6_01BEBCB9.1D257BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 9548-32U is a bare-bones P233 MHz model (32MB, no HDD, no CD, no = DVD). IBM AAP's will configure these bare-bones models and their = designation changes. A 9548DJC would be a ThinkPad 770 P233 MHz MMX 4GB = 32MB 13.3 TFT 20X DVD NO O/S. You can purchase 32U's from resellers too = (I can get them for just under U.S.$1,000). If bought new from an authorized source, the warranty should start from = the date of purchase. If the original purchase date cannot be proven, = the warranty starts the date it was shipped to the distributor (not the = date it was shipped from the factory to the AAP). This is true only if = the distributor purchased the full warranty. The only way to know this = is to check the serial number with IBM (as you did). I am not claiming to be an expert on the matter, if someone knows any = different, please feel free to comment. Cheers, Carlos de la Puente ------=_NextPart_000_01C6_01BEBCB9.1D257BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The 9548-32U is a bare-bones P233 = MHz model=20 (32MB, no HDD, no CD, no DVD). IBM = AAP's will=20 configure these bare-bones models and their designation changes. A = 9548DJC would=20 be a ThinkPad 770 P233 MHz MMX 4GB 32MB 13.3 TFT 20X DVD NO O/S. You can = purchase 32U's from resellers too (I can get them for just under=20 U.S.$1,000).
 
If bought new from an authorized source, the = warranty should=20 start from the date of purchase. If the original purchase date cannot be = proven,=20 the warranty starts the date it was shipped to the distributor (not the = date it=20 was shipped from the factory to the AAP). This is true only if the = distributor=20 purchased the full warranty. The only way to know this is to check the = serial=20 number with IBM (as you did).
 
I am not claiming to be an expert on = the matter,=20 if someone knows any different, please feel free to = comment.
 
Cheers,
Carlos de la Puente
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_01C6_01BEBCB9.1D257BC0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 22 15:17:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03031 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23616; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:14:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23423; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23407; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (206.127.32.35 -> tam.dorsai.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:14:42 -0400 Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (higgins@amanda.dorsai.org [206.127.32.130]) by tam.dorsai.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA28601; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:18:49 -0400 (EDT) From: John Higgins Received: (higgins@localhost) by amanda.dorsai.org (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA25881; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906221918.PAA25881@amanda.dorsai.org> Subject: IBM Thinkpad 720 NIMH Batteries $40 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad list) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:18:34 -0400 (edt) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: This may be useful to someone out there. I spotted that a place called Compu-D International has this in their liquidation section. No guarantees on the vendor, but this smells like a great price. But I'm not familiar with anything about the laptop model. Spank me if I'm stupid and this no bargain. IBM 53G9140 BATTERY PACK FOR T.P. 720 NIMH QTY 4 $40.00 http://209.196.190.156/ http://209.196.190.156/1/ibmliquid.htm -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John M. Higgins Broadcasting & Cable Magazine higgins@dorsai.org v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 22 16:08:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA03663 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27140; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:06:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26910; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26890; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:05:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:05:58 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc2a35.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.35]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29240 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906222005.QAA29240@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc2a35.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.35] 209.198.81.35 Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 06:55:46 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990621210745.00a8bd00@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Re Mystery ThinkPad X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >Go here -> ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf and do a search >on that part number to get the details. TWbook is getting pretty dated. There is a not current TP 600E listed in it, nor can you buy any of the ones that are listed. --I don't know what other models are also out of date. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 22 16:49:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA04321 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29763; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:47:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29539; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29508; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:47:39 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-364.gate.net [199.227.173.110]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA55520; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:49:28 -0400 Message-ID: <376FF65E.FC90E163@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:47:26 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Higgins CC: Thinkpad list Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 720 NIMH Batteries $40 References: <199906221918.PAA25881@amanda.dorsai.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John.. not going to spank you... :-) this is the sort of info owners of old TP-700/720 machines need.. no telling about the quality of the battery, but these are hard to find when you want one.. SO, thanks.. John Higgins wrote: > This may be useful to someone out there. I spotted that a place called > Compu-D International has this in their liquidation section. No guarantees > on the vendor, but this smells like a great price. But I'm not familiar with > anything about the laptop model. Spank me if I'm stupid and this no bargain. > > IBM 53G9140 BATTERY PACK FOR T.P. 720 NIMH QTY 4 $40.00 > > > http://209.196.190.156/ > > http://209.196.190.156/1/ibmliquid.htm > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > John M. Higgins > Broadcasting & Cable Magazine > higgins@dorsai.org > v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 22 17:07:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA04568 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01621; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:06:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01458; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01444; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (207.69.200.64 -> smtp4.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:06:53 -0400 Received: from dts-jl (user-2ivfg09.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.192.9]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA28267 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990622170132.009e7cb0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:01:32 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Re Mystery ThinkPad In-Reply-To: <199906222005.QAA29240@garnet.sover.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19990621210745.00a8bd00@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:55 AM 6/22/99 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >TWbook is getting pretty dated. There is a not current TP 600E listed in >it, nor can you buy any of the ones that are listed. --I don't know what >other models are also out of date. > TWbook is for withdrawn models. For current models, you need to look at Tbook -> ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tbook.pdf From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 22 17:17:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA04709 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02494; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:16:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02389; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot014.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02375; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot014.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.114 -> pilot014.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:16:39 -0400 Received: from andres (pm526-41.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.43]) by pilot014.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA37532 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:16:35 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990622171857.008f6630@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:18:57 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Re Mystery ThinkPad In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990622170132.009e7cb0@pop.mindspring.com> References: <199906222005.QAA29240@garnet.sover.net> <3.0.1.32.19990621210745.00a8bd00@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Oh! I get it now--The Withdrawn Book is what it means. Heretonow I thought it was something like Twisted Wreckage... tnx --STeve >>TWbook is getting pretty dated. There is a not current TP 600E listed in >>it, nor can you buy any of the ones that are listed. --I don't know what >>other models are also out of date. > >TWbook is for withdrawn models. > >For current models, you need to look at Tbook -> >ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tbook.pdf From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 22 17:49:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA05088 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04696; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:47:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04431; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04418; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:47:16 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.18.238]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990622214712.IEOW8212@770>; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:47:12 +0000 Message-ID: <3770043B.7638@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:46:35 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carlos de la Puente CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Fw: Re Mystery ThinkPad References: <01c901bebcda$a46e3150$ee56e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the info, Carlos Mine came with W95 AND the recovery disk! IBM says the warranty is a go, so there it is. I paid only a bit more than you said, and it has the 4 GIG HDD, and the DVD drive, and the OS, so not a bad deal! Carlos de la Puente wrote: > > The 9548-32U is a bare-bones P233 MHz model (32MB, no HDD, no CD, no > DVD). IBM AAP's will configure these bare-bones models and their > designation changes. A 9548DJC would be a ThinkPad 770 P233 MHz MMX > 4GB 32MB 13.3 TFT 20X DVD NO O/S. You can purchase 32U's from > resellers too (I can get them for just under U.S.$1,000). > > If bought new from an authorized source, the warranty should start > from the date of purchase. If the original purchase date cannot be > proven, the warranty starts the date it was shipped to the distributor > (not the date it was shipped from the factory to the AAP). This is > true only if the distributor purchased the full warranty. The only way > to know this is to check the serial number with IBM (as you did). > > I am not claiming to be an expert on the matter, if someone knows any > different, please feel free to comment. > > Cheers, > Carlos de la Puente > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 22 18:26:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05578 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06641; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:24:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06419; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06405; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:24:25 -0400 Received: from ip-216.145.8.22.az.com (ip-216.145.8.22.az.com [216.145.8.22]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA06187 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:24:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199906222224.PAA06187@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Tue, 22 Jun 99 15:31:21 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: CD-ROM issue continued List-Unsubscribe: Hello everyone, Well...now I'm really puzzled more than ever. I was at school (BTW I graduated! ) and I was gonna deliever a sampler audio CD I had made at home for someone to see if they'd want to buy more of certain artists I listen to. Anyways, for some reason I put it into my TP 365XD's CD-ROM drive (remember now, this is the one that hates all burned CD's), and to my shock and surprise... it played!! No hearing the "read head laser" going back and forth. No spin up...spin down...spin up and stuff. It just took it like it was supposed to. Sooooo... now I'm wondering about the whole burning process. It can't be a dim laser/dirty lens issue since the audio burned CD plays. Could it be a matter of something not being written properly to a CD when the burning is taking place? =\ Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 22 19:26:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06022 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09381; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:24:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09213; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09200; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:24:45 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-364.gate.net [199.227.173.110]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA234972; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:26:35 -0400 Message-ID: <37701B34.5D94BA23@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:24:36 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LightSide CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: CD-ROM issue continued References: <199906222224.PAA06187@www.az.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: perhaps using the wrong software..? or wrong format..?? in short, theres something rotten in denmark.. as we used to say.. :-) LightSide wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Well...now I'm really puzzled more than ever. I was at school (BTW I graduated! ) and I was gonna deliever a > sampler audio CD I had made at home for someone to see if they'd want to buy more of certain artists I listen > to. Anyways, for some reason I put it into my TP 365XD's CD-ROM drive (remember now, this is the one that > hates all burned CD's), and to my shock and surprise... it played!! No hearing the "read head laser" going > back and forth. No spin up...spin down...spin up and stuff. It just took it like it was supposed to. > > Sooooo... now I'm wondering about the whole burning process. It can't be a dim laser/dirty lens issue since > the audio burned CD plays. Could it be a matter of something not being written properly to a CD when the > burning is taking place? =\ > > Robert > > Robert Mears > Certified Key and Button Pusher > robertm@az.com > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 22 19:28:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06051 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09842; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:26:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09532; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09518; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:26:44 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-364.gate.net [199.227.173.110]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA304490; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:28:31 -0400 Message-ID: <37701BA8.17F2125D@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:26:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: Carlos de la Puente , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Fw: Re Mystery ThinkPad References: <01c901bebcda$a46e3150$ee56e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> <3770043B.7638@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My memory is coming back.. there was a bare model 770 early on, that had nothing.. no drive or DVD.. i suppose these were for corporate types with a MIS department to do all the work.. Bruce Markowitz wrote: > Thanks for the info, Carlos > Mine came with W95 AND the recovery disk! > IBM says the warranty is a go, so there it is. I paid only a bit more > than you said, and it has the 4 GIG HDD, and the DVD drive, and the OS, > so not a bad deal! > > Carlos de la Puente wrote: > > > > The 9548-32U is a bare-bones P233 MHz model (32MB, no HDD, no CD, no > > DVD). IBM AAP's will configure these bare-bones models and their > > designation changes. A 9548DJC would be a ThinkPad 770 P233 MHz MMX > > 4GB 32MB 13.3 TFT 20X DVD NO O/S. You can purchase 32U's from > > resellers too (I can get them for just under U.S.$1,000). > > > > If bought new from an authorized source, the warranty should start > > from the date of purchase. If the original purchase date cannot be > > proven, the warranty starts the date it was shipped to the distributor > > (not the date it was shipped from the factory to the AAP). This is > > true only if the distributor purchased the full warranty. The only way > > to know this is to check the serial number with IBM (as you did). > > > > I am not claiming to be an expert on the matter, if someone knows any > > different, please feel free to comment. > > > > Cheers, > > Carlos de la Puente > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 22 19:42:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06159 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10925; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:41:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10705; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10692; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:41:25 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.193]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990622234033.BUCV1417@dts-jl> for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:40:33 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990622194121.00bb9180@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:41:21 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Fw: Re Mystery ThinkPad In-Reply-To: <37701BA8.17F2125D@icanect.net> References: <01c901bebcda$a46e3150$ee56e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> <3770043B.7638@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:26 PM 6/22/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >there was a bare model 770 early on, that had nothing.. >no drive or DVD.. >i suppose these were for corporate types with a MIS department to do all the >work.. > There's one available for the current model, too. The AAP P/N is 9549-83U. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 22 20:33:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA06488 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13107; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:31:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12902; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12889; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.52 -> smtp13.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:31:48 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26757.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.238]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA09426; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <036101bebd10$555a4be0$ee56e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Fw: Re Mystery ThinkPad Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:35:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_035E_01BEBCEE.CDB5E1C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_035E_01BEBCEE.CDB5E1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bruce, You are welcome. It is indeed a good deal. It's hard to believe that pretty soon I'll be = able to get a fully equipped 770 for myself for under $1,000 (and ditch = my 760) . Regards, Carlos -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Markowitz To: Carlos de la Puente Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 5:47 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re Mystery ThinkPad =20 =20 Thanks for the info, Carlos Mine came with W95 AND the recovery disk! IBM says the warranty is a go, so there it is. I paid only a bit = more than you said, and it has the 4 GIG HDD, and the DVD drive, and the = OS, so not a bad deal! =20 Carlos de la Puente wrote: >=20 > The 9548-32U is a bare-bones P233 MHz model (32MB, no HDD, no CD, = no > DVD). IBM AAP's will configure these bare-bones models and their > designation changes. A 9548DJC would be a ThinkPad 770 P233 MHz = MMX > 4GB 32MB 13.3 TFT 20X DVD NO O/S. You can purchase 32U's from > resellers too (I can get them for just under U.S.$1,000). >=20 > If bought new from an authorized source, the warranty should start > from the date of purchase. If the original purchase date cannot be > proven, the warranty starts the date it was shipped to the = distributor > (not the date it was shipped from the factory to the AAP). This is > true only if the distributor purchased the full warranty. The only = way > to know this is to check the serial number with IBM (as you did). >=20 > I am not claiming to be an expert on the matter, if someone knows = any > different, please feel free to comment. >=20 > Cheers, > Carlos de la Puente >=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_035E_01BEBCEE.CDB5E1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bruce,
 
You are welcome.
 
It is indeed a good deal. It's hard to believe that = pretty=20 soon I'll be able to get a fully equipped 770 for myself for under = $1,000 (and=20 ditch my 760) .
 
Regards,
Carlos
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Bruce Markowitz <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>To:=20 Carlos de la Puente <delapuente.Carlos@sympatic= o.ca>
Cc:=20 thinkpad@cs.utk.edu = <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Dat= e:=20 Tuesday, June 22, 1999 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re = Mystery=20 ThinkPad

Thanks for the info, Carlos
Mine = came with=20 W95 AND the recovery disk!
IBM says the warranty is a go, so = there it is.=20 I paid only a bit more
than you said, and it has the 4 GIG HDD, = and the=20 DVD drive, and the OS,
so not a bad deal!

Carlos de la = Puente=20 wrote:
>
> The 9548-32U is a bare-bones P233 MHz model = (32MB,=20 no HDD, no CD, no
> DVD). IBM AAP's will configure these = bare-bones=20 models and their
> designation changes. A 9548DJC would be a = ThinkPad=20 770 P233 MHz MMX
> 4GB 32MB 13.3 TFT 20X DVD NO O/S. You can = purchase=20 32U's from
> resellers too (I can get them for just under=20 U.S.$1,000).
>
> If bought new from an authorized = source, the=20 warranty should start
> from the date of purchase. If the = original=20 purchase date cannot be
> proven, the warranty starts the date = it was=20 shipped to the distributor
> (not the date it was shipped from = the=20 factory to the AAP). This is
> true only if the distributor = purchased=20 the full warranty. The only way
> to know this is to check the = serial=20 number with IBM (as you did).
>
> I am not claiming to = be an=20 expert on the matter, if someone knows any
> different, please = feel=20 free to comment.
>
> Cheers,
> Carlos de la=20 Puente
>
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------=_NextPart_000_035E_01BEBCEE.CDB5E1C0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 22 21:09:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA06772 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14674; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:08:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14441; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14412; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:07:17 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-66.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.66]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA27534 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990622204549.006d82cc@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:45:49 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Poor PCI performance on SelectaDock III In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990609215831.00834ec0@mail.netusa1.net> References: <9dd58011.24901c2a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Out of sheer boredom the other day, I was benchmarking various systems with the 770z/SelectaDock III combination. I have: #1. Diamond Voodoo2 8meg card in my docking station for my 770z (P2-366). #2. In my desktop, I have a Diamond VooDoo2 8meg (P2-450) #3. A fellow consultant has a Hercules 12meg VooDoo2 in his desktop (P2-400) #4. My server @ home has a Hercules 12meg VooDoo2 (P133) The FPS in GLQuake were as follows: 770z = 50.5 P2-450 = 106.5 P2-400 = 90.0 P-133 = 48.0 To say I was shocked at the low FPS in the 770z was an understatement. I ran a FPS test on WinQuake (which renders natively Int13h style and whatever 2D graphics card you have). The scores were: 770z = 81.9 (2D = Cyber chipset) P2-450 = 127.5 (2D = V770 TNT2 Ultra) P2-400 = 89.0 (2D = Hercules TNT Terminator) P-133 = 38.5 (2D = STB LightSpeed 128 ET6000) These numbers would be consistent with what should be expected based upon CPU speed. We ran identical tests on two other selectadock III units, and the results were similar. My P2-450 is a killer, so the increase was expected. I am at a loss for the poor PCI performance of the SelectaDock III. Being a Thinkpad zealot, I have all my drivers and bios's up to date. Has anyone else noticed dismal performance with PCI cards installed that demand high bandwidth? Any solutions or suggestions? Thanks... ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 22 22:22:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA07291 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17753; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:20:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17508; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17495; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.105 -> pilot005.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:20:29 -0400 Received: from andres (port06.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.7]) by pilot005.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA48090 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:20:18 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990622222238.008e5720@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:22:38 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Fw: Re Mystery ThinkPad In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990622194121.00bb9180@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> References: <37701BA8.17F2125D@icanect.net> <01c901bebcda$a46e3150$ee56e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> <3770043B.7638@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: How is it that you people can calculate these wonderful part numbers? This sounds like a useful ability. Any pointers would be appreciated. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu >At 07:26 PM 6/22/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >>there was a bare model 770 early on, that had nothing.. >>no drive or DVD.. >>i suppose these were for corporate types with a MIS department to do all the >>work.. > >There's one available for the current model, too. The AAP P/N is 9549-83U. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 22 22:27:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA07341 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18298; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:26:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18080; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18066; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:26:08 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.144]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990623022606.FFQJ1417@dts-jl> for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:26:06 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990622222656.00bb65e0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:26:56 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Fw: Re Mystery ThinkPad In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990622222238.008e5720@pilot.msu.edu> References: <3.0.1.32.19990622194121.00bb9180@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> <37701BA8.17F2125D@icanect.net> <01c901bebcda$a46e3150$ee56e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> <3770043B.7638@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:22 PM 6/22/99 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >How is it that you people can calculate these wonderful part numbers? >This sounds like a useful ability. Any pointers would be appreciated. > I just looked it up at ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tbook.pdf From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 23 01:50:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA08606 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25176; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:48:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24948; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bigun.c-gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24934; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bigun.c-gate.net (207.120.210.2 -> bigun.c-gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:48:18 -0400 Received: from egiles (pm1wayne1-17.c-gate.net [198.79.69.150]) by bigun.c-gate.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA13689 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:44:02 -0500 Message-ID: <004201bebd3b$57e68d80$96454fc6@egiles> From: "Eric Giles" To: References: <9dd58011.24901c2a@aol.com> <3.0.1.32.19990622204549.006d82cc@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: Poor PCI performance on SelectaDock III Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:43:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Mark- I have used a 760ED, 770 1AU, and 770ED with my Selectadock II during the past couple of years. With each I had different combinations of video cards or 3D PCI accelerators (Matrox Millenium, Voodoo 2 12MB, two different Voodoo Banshee 16MB cards) and have found the same results that you have. I once called IBM tech support about the performance issue with PCI video adapters in the docking station. Their basic response was that "we design the docking stations for best compatibility, not ultimate gaming performance". I tried to explain to them that there was an obvious bottleneck, but in his estimation since the cards were displaying video then everything was ok. I figured there was no winning this one, so I let it go. I also observed that a cardbus 10/100Mbit ethernet adapter in the laptop performed slightly better than a 3Com 905BTX 10/100 PCI card I had installed in the Selectadock II. It is annoying that all that money spent on the dock basically does not let you get the best performance with adapter cards, but at least IBM does offer a dock with such nice features. I quit using the docking station at work and built a dual 400MHz Celeron machine with UW SCSI and 192MB RAM running Windows 2000 beta 3. If you find out anything else let me know. Eric Giles > To say I was shocked at the low FPS in the 770z was > an understatement. I ran a FPS test on WinQuake (which > renders natively Int13h style and whatever 2D graphics > card you have). The scores were: > > 770z = 81.9 (2D = Cyber chipset) > P2-450 = 127.5 (2D = V770 TNT2 Ultra) > P2-400 = 89.0 (2D = Hercules TNT Terminator) > P-133 = 38.5 (2D = STB LightSpeed 128 ET6000) > > These numbers would be consistent with what should be > expected based upon CPU speed. We ran identical tests on > two other selectadock III units, and the results were > similar. My P2-450 is a killer, so > the increase was expected. I am at a loss for the poor > PCI performance of the SelectaDock III. Being a Thinkpad > zealot, I have all my drivers and bios's up to date. Has > anyone else noticed dismal performance with PCI cards > installed that demand high bandwidth? Any solutions or > suggestions? Thanks... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 23 02:18:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA08860 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26313; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:16:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26100; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26074; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.14 -> dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:16:08 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA06876; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:16:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca41-69.ix.netcom.com(209.111.208.69) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006858; Wed Jun 23 01:15:59 1999 Message-ID: <37707B7D.46A90C31@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:15:26 -0700 From: Kenneth Rosenblatt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: IBM 560 batteries at PCZone for $100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Folks: I just ordered an IBM Li-Ion battery for my Thinkpad 560 from PCZone for $100, plus $6 UPS Ground. The URL is: http://www.zones.com/oasis/bin/catproduct.dll?product_id=29130&act_type=DSR Per C|Net's shopper.com, that's about $100 less than other retailers. I'm assuming that PCZone is closing out the product. Now, if anyone sees a great deal on a new 560Z, please holler. The best I've seen is $1799 on the P233 from MicroWarehouse. (Any feedback on that business would be appreciated.) Kenneth Rosenblatt From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 23 03:30:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA09139 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00449; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:29:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00220; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00141; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:27:51 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-46.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.46]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA08726 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990623033019.006d9db4@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:30:19 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Fw: Re Mystery ThinkPad In-Reply-To: <37701BA8.17F2125D@icanect.net> References: <01c901bebcda$a46e3150$ee56e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> <3770043B.7638@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: When I ordered my original 9549-1AU (P233MMX, 14.1" TFT), it came without a DVD or CD-ROM drive. The 20x (Then 24x was introduced) and DVD units were optional. At 07:26 PM 6/22/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >My memory is coming back.. >there was a bare model 770 early on, that had nothing.. >no drive or DVD.. >i suppose these were for corporate types with a MIS department to do all the >work.. > >Bruce Markowitz wrote: > >> Thanks for the info, Carlos >> Mine came with W95 AND the recovery disk! >> IBM says the warranty is a go, so there it is. I paid only a bit more >> than you said, and it has the 4 GIG HDD, and the DVD drive, and the OS, >> so not a bad deal! >> >> Carlos de la Puente wrote: >> > >> > The 9548-32U is a bare-bones P233 MHz model (32MB, no HDD, no CD, no >> > DVD). IBM AAP's will configure these bare-bones models and their >> > designation changes. A 9548DJC would be a ThinkPad 770 P233 MHz MMX >> > 4GB 32MB 13.3 TFT 20X DVD NO O/S. You can purchase 32U's from >> > resellers too (I can get them for just under U.S.$1,000). >> > >> > If bought new from an authorized source, the warranty should start >> > from the date of purchase. If the original purchase date cannot be >> > proven, the warranty starts the date it was shipped to the distributor >> > (not the date it was shipped from the factory to the AAP). This is >> > true only if the distributor purchased the full warranty. The only way >> > to know this is to check the serial number with IBM (as you did). >> > >> > I am not claiming to be an expert on the matter, if someone knows any >> > different, please feel free to comment. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Carlos de la Puente >> > >> > >> > > > > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will >vary, Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 23 11:59:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12159 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01142; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:57:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00855; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.computer.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00804; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.computer.org (146.229.5.248) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:56:59 -0400 Received: (from hskim@localhost) by mail.computer.org (8.8.7H1/8.8.7) id LAA02536 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:00:19 -0500 From: Hyong-Shik Kim Message-Id: <199906231600.LAA02536@[146.229.5.248]> Subject: TP770 Rescue CD without CDROM Drive To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:00:18 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: hskim@computer.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21-h4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Does anybody know how to restore the factory installed software of the rescue CD on the TP770 that does not have an internal CDROM drive? I copied all the files contained in the rescue CDROM on drive D:. Drive C: is now empty, and its size is exactly the same as a new TP. It appears that the program that IBM provided was accessing Z: drive after installing the device driver, so I substituted Z: for D:\. Unfortunately, it did not work. Any idea would be greatly appreciated. Hyong-Shik Kim From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 23 13:18:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12958 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08050; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:16:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07847; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07808; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906231715.NAA07808@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (128.95.79.96 -> tokeru.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:15:57 -0400 Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Thu, 22 Jun 1989 10:13:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Kenneth Rosenblatt" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:15:58 +0000 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM 560 batteries at PCZone for $100 List-Unsubscribe: Let me get this straight. You found a great deal on a battery and now you are looking for a computer to go with it? :) This is a unique perspective! On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:15:26 -0700, Kenneth Rosenblatt wrote: >Folks: > >I just ordered an IBM Li-Ion battery for my Thinkpad 560 from PCZone for >$100, plus $6 UPS Ground. The URL is: > >http://www.zones.com/oasis/bin/catproduct.dll?product_id=29130&act_type=DSR > >Per C|Net's shopper.com, that's about $100 less than other retailers. >I'm assuming that PCZone is closing out the product. > >Now, if anyone sees a great deal on a new 560Z, please holler. The best >I've seen is $1799 on the P233 from MicroWarehouse. (Any feedback on >that business would be appreciated.) > > >Kenneth Rosenblatt > ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 23 14:08:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13451 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12317; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:06:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12175; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12160; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:06:46 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-86.gate.net [199.227.20.149]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA406284; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:08:35 -0400 Message-ID: <3771222B.8512BEB@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:06:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hskim@computer.org CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP770 Rescue CD without CDROM Drive References: <199906231600.LAA02536@[146.229.5.248]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hyong.. 1. What is the serial # of the machine..? 2. Which model is it, exactly..? 3. You can restore easily from the other partition, just tell me the above and i will be able to help.. :-) Hyong-Shik Kim wrote: > Does anybody know how to restore the factory installed software of the > rescue CD on the TP770 that does not have an internal CDROM drive? > I copied all the files contained in the rescue CDROM on drive D:. > Drive C: is now empty, and its size is exactly the same as a new TP. > It appears that the program that IBM provided was accessing Z: drive after > installing the device driver, so I substituted Z: for D:\. Unfortunately, > it did not work. Any idea would be greatly appreciated. > > Hyong-Shik Kim -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 23 15:58:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA14447 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21668; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:56:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21398; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bucknell.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21383; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bucknell.edu (134.82.9.1 -> marge.bucknell.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:56:25 -0400 Received: from pfindeis.bucknell.edu (findeis.bucknell.edu [134.82.59.44]) by mail.bucknell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA27085 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906231956.PAA27085@mail.bucknell.edu> X-Sender: findeis@mail.bucknell.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Findeis Subject: TP360 / TP755 on Dock II and weird external floppy List-Unsubscribe: I have the same problem the either a TP 360CSE in a Dock II or a TP 755CD in a Dock II--- system reads the 3.5" floppy (connected to the rear external floppy port on the Dock II) but when trying a write to or format the floppy, the system balks and says that it is a 360K drive. I've tried 4 different floppies, 3 different cables, 3 Dock II, and 2 TP; I haven't been able to break the 360K barrier (other than Windows 3.1 letting me select it as 1.2 M drive and then balking) on the Dock II. When I test the floppy on a solitary TP 701C, drives work just fine. Any fixes? ---Pete Findeis From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 23 17:34:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA15571 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28515; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:31:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28329; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28316; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:31:32 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.19.237]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990623213129.FCAY1709@770>; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:31:29 +0000 Message-ID: <3771520A.689F@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:30:50 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Findeis CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP360 / TP755 on Dock II and weird external floppy References: <199906231956.PAA27085@mail.bucknell.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Sounds like you are using the 701 external floppy drive. That will work on a 760, but not on a 755 (in my experience). Peter Findeis wrote: > > I have the same problem the either a TP 360CSE in a Dock II or a TP 755CD in > a Dock II--- system reads the 3.5" floppy (connected to the rear external > floppy port on the Dock II) but when trying a write to or format the > floppy, the system balks and says that it is a 360K drive. I've tried 4 > different floppies, 3 different cables, 3 Dock II, and 2 TP; I haven't been > able to break the 360K barrier (other than Windows 3.1 letting me select it > as 1.2 M drive and then balking) on the Dock II. When I test the floppy on > a solitary TP 701C, drives work just fine. > Any fixes? ---Pete Findeis From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 23 18:40:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA16399 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02129; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:38:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01905; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh02.softhouse.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01892; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh02.softhouse.com (198.110.248.4 -> sh02.softhouse.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:38:34 -0400 Received: from markspc (dialup014.softhouse.com [207.74.44.14]) by sh02.softhouse.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA05935 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:38:27 -0400 From: "Mark Andrew" To: Subject: TP755CE error on startup Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:39:19 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bebdc9$3b95c5e0$0e2c4acf@markspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3771520A.689F@worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: For no apparent reason I have begun to get the following error right after the memory check on power-up... 5A 301 When I go through the thinkpad test, the test freezes while checking the system board. Could anyone tell me more specifically what the error message implies. I get the error even after removing all periferals from the computer. Only the internal floppy drive and battery are attached (and the AC plug) The manual says that I may have to find a service center...do you think the laptop is worth the price of service? Thanks in advance, Mark From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 23 19:06:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA16647 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03727; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:05:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03592; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03573; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:04:59 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.19.24]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990623230456.CWKV1659@770>; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:04:56 +0000 Message-ID: <377167F0.7A3D@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:04:16 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Andrew CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP755CE error on startup References: <000201bebdc9$3b95c5e0$0e2c4acf@markspc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: 301 is a keyboard error. Check for a stuck key. Don't know what the 5A is. ark Andrew wrote: > > For no apparent reason I have begun to get the following error right after > the memory check on power-up... > > 5A 301 > > When I go through the thinkpad test, the test freezes while checking the > system board. Could anyone tell me more specifically what the error message > implies. I get the error even after removing all periferals from the > computer. Only the internal floppy drive and battery are attached (and the > AC plug) > > The manual says that I may have to find a service center...do you think the > laptop is worth the price of service? > > Thanks in advance, > Mark From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 23 19:17:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA16790 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04663; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:15:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04494; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Viola.Opus1.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04481; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Viola.Opus1.COM (192.245.12.8 -> Viola.Opus1.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:15:54 -0400 Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.2-31 #9830) id <01JCQSCG8R1C9NDWW3@Opus1.COM> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:15:51 MST Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:01:42 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: TP755CE error on startup In-reply-to: "Your message dated Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:39:19 -0400" <000201bebdc9$3b95c5e0$0e2c4acf@markspc> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01JCQV0MP80E9NDWW3@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <3771520A.689F@worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: Mark Andrew writes - > For no apparent reason I have begun to get the following error right after > the memory check on power-up... > 5A 301 A 301 error has 7 items listed in the maintenance manual. I don't know what the 5A means - no numeric errors codes begin with a 5 and the only FRU (field replaceable unit) codes that start with it are for the floppy drive(s) - and here you're supposed to get four digits to indicate the two suspected devices. The manual also doesn't say what exactly 301 means, vs. 302, 303, 304, 305, 3XX... 1. Go to Keyboard/Auxilary Input Device Checkout - that says go to the diaginstic menu in Easy Setup by pressing ^A, then use ^K for a keyboard test. This is you press keys and the appropriate square lights up on the screen - probably not your problem. It also says you may need to reseat the three keyboard cables, again this doesn't sound like your problem. 2. Keyboard [is bad..] 3. Video card [ditto] 4. External Numeric Keypad 5. External Keyboard 6. Keyboard/Mouse Cable 7. System Board I hate to have to say it but it looks like a system board problem... There are used parts floating around the net - when my dc-dc converter crapped out it took about two weeks of slogging through the various newsgroups to find a replacement. I didn't even try IBM since my warranty ran out, they may have this stuff but not at second hand prices.. Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 23 20:27:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA17438 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07444; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:25:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07244; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh02.softhouse.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07224; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh02.softhouse.com (198.110.248.4 -> sh02.softhouse.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:25:43 -0400 Received: from markspc (dialup039.softhouse.com [207.74.44.39]) by sh02.softhouse.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA08104; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:25:30 -0400 From: "Mark Andrew" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: TP755CE error on startup Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:26:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bebdd8$2c2ec200$0e2c4acf@markspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <377167F0.7A3D@worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: Solved the prob... I went to this site and discovered that 5A is the Enter key. So I popped off the key, blew some aerosol spray around the stem, and lifted the keyboard, and blew some in any little opening I could find. That did the trick. keyboard hex codes and bar codes for keys on various keyboards: http://www.barcodeman.com/scan_doc.html Relieved, Mark From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 23 20:57:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA17699 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08748; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:55:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08628; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dragon.goamerica.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08615; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dragon.goamerica.net (206.138.237.234 -> dragon.goamerica.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:55:42 -0400 Received: from ixswykpv (slip-32-100-148-145.wa.us.ibm.net [32.100.148.145]) by dragon.goamerica.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA21261; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990623174500.014dce70@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:45:00 -0700 To: Kenneth Rosenblatt , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: John Callahan Subject: Re: IBM 560 batteries at PCZone for $100 In-Reply-To: <37707B7D.46A90C31@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Kenneth, Thanks for the pointer. I've just ordered a battery for my 560X. I also ordered an inflight adapter for recharging the battery, which will also work in a car or on my boat, for $52.98. BTW, unless you need the processing power, you may be happier with a ThinkPad 560X than with the 560Z. I'm not even sure if you can find the 560X any longer. It is discontinued. The 560X has a longer battery life. For my purposes, battery life is more important than raw processing power. Regards, John Callahan At 11:15 PM 6/22/99 -0700, Kenneth Rosenblatt wrote: >Folks: > >I just ordered an IBM Li-Ion battery for my Thinkpad 560 from PCZone for >$100, plus $6 UPS Ground. The URL is: > >http://www.zones.com/oasis/bin/catproduct.dll?product_id=29130&act_ty pe=DSR > >Per C|Net's shopper.com, that's about $100 less than other retailers. >I'm assuming that PCZone is closing out the product. > >Now, if anyone sees a great deal on a new 560Z, please holler. The best >I've seen is $1799 on the P233 from MicroWarehouse. (Any feedback on >that business would be appreciated.) > > >Kenneth Rosenblatt > > > ----- John Callahan, Editor Information Technology Research Enterprise Automation Report 2608 Second Avenue Suite 240 Member: Computer Press Association Seattle, WA 98121 USA Phone: (206) 282-7050 Web: http://www.itr.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 23 21:36:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA18031 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10593; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:34:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10388; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10373; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.3 -> dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:34:09 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA27622; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:34:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wck-ca22-49.ix.netcom.com(207.92.174.177) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma027586; Wed Jun 23 20:33:29 1999 Message-ID: <37718A82.5FF2D7ED@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:31:46 -0700 From: Kenneth Rosenblatt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" CC: John Callahan Subject: IBM 560X v. 560Z--which should I buy? (Formerly: Battery for 560 at PCZone) References: <3.0.5.32.19990623174500.014dce70@pop.goamerica.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Folks: John raises an interesting point: is it better to purchase the 560X instead of the 560Z? (The price differential is about $400.) I know that the 560Z is harder on batteries. But is there a significant performance difference? Apart from the (minor?) difference between a Pentium and a Pentium II at the same speed, I read somewhere that the 560X, because of its Pentium MMX, may not be able to address memory above 64MB efficiently. I plan to use 128MB. I know that the 560X has no internal modem and comes with Windows 95 instead of Windows 98. Are there any other differences? I presume the screens and keyboards are identical. Your thoughts, please. Kenneth Rosenblatt John Callahan wrote: > [SNIP] > BTW, unless you need the processing power, you may be happier with a > ThinkPad 560X than with the 560Z. I'm not even sure if you can find > the 560X any longer. It is discontinued. The 560X has a longer > battery life. For my purposes, battery life is more important than > raw processing power. > > Regards, > > John Callahan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 23 22:13:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18353 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12207; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:12:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12123; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12109; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (165.87.194.243 -> out5.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:12:00 -0400 Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-101-173-23.va.us.ibm.net [32.101.173.23]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA86892; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:11:46 GMT Message-ID: <37719316.69A5B11A@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:08:22 -0400 From: David Lee Reply-To: bond_007@ibm.net Organization: Self X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kenneth Rosenblatt CC: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" , John Callahan Subject: Re: IBM 560X v. 560Z--which should I buy? (Formerly: Battery for 560 at PCZone) References: <3.0.5.32.19990623174500.014dce70@pop.goamerica.net> <37718A82.5FF2D7ED@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The question about memory refers to the fact that most Pentium chipsets >from Intel CAN NOT cache memory above 64Megs. The most common Intel chipsets, like the 430TX, 430VX and the mobile 430MX can not cache above 64Megs. While all Pentium II chipset can cache above 64Meg. Also, note that Pentium cache runs at the system bus speed, usually 66Mhz, while the Pentium II 300Mhz and below (NON-PE) run at half the CPU speed, which for a P-II 300 would be 150Mhz. Kenneth Rosenblatt wrote: > > Folks: > > John raises an interesting point: is it better to purchase the 560X > instead of the 560Z? (The price differential is about $400.) I know that > the 560Z is harder on batteries. But is there a significant performance > difference? Apart from the (minor?) difference between a Pentium and a > Pentium II at the same speed, I read somewhere that the 560X, because of > its Pentium MMX, may not be able to address memory above 64MB > efficiently. I plan to use 128MB. > > I know that the 560X has no internal modem and comes with Windows 95 > instead of Windows 98. Are there any other differences? I presume the > screens and keyboards are identical. > > Your thoughts, please. > > Kenneth Rosenblatt > > John Callahan wrote: > > > [SNIP] > > > BTW, unless you need the processing power, you may be happier with a > > ThinkPad 560X than with the 560Z. I'm not even sure if you can find > > the 560X any longer. It is discontinued. The 560X has a longer > > battery life. For my purposes, battery life is more important than > > raw processing power. > > > > Regards, > > > > John Callahan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 23 22:14:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18363 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12540; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:13:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12413; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12366; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (207.69.200.30 -> smtp0.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:13:16 -0400 Received: from default (user-38lcg7a.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.64.234]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA04464 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990623210100.006bbd10@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> X-Sender: donhagan@mail.lig.bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:01:00 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Donnie Hagan Subject: dockII Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have dockII with 4xcd installed. When booting it says "fewer than two terminators detected on the scsi bus". Is this a jumper problem? Any help appreciated! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 00:15:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA19148 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18404; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:14:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18228; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18214; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:13:57 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-302.gate.net [199.227.131.111]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA396618; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:15:49 -0400 Message-ID: <3771B07B.C4ED3011@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:13:47 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Andrew CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP755CE error on startup References: <000201bebdc9$3b95c5e0$0e2c4acf@markspc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mark.. it could be as simple as a loose plug, or as fatal as e failing component on the system board... IMO, disassemble it far enough to reseat all the plugs and so forth, then try again.. if the error persists, find a newer machine.. Mark Andrew wrote: > For no apparent reason I have begun to get the following error right after > the memory check on power-up... > > 5A 301 > > When I go through the thinkpad test, the test freezes while checking the > system board. Could anyone tell me more specifically what the error message > implies. I get the error even after removing all periferals from the > computer. Only the internal floppy drive and battery are attached (and the > AC plug) > > The manual says that I may have to find a service center...do you think the > laptop is worth the price of service? > > Thanks in advance, > Mark -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 02:26:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA19727 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22002; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:25:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21857; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21843; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (198.137.169.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:25:23 -0400 Received: by localhost.zydacron.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:21:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Bourdon, Bruce" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Linuux install on TPad... Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:21:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Sorry for the off-topic post... I have a IBM TP-770, with a 5g hard drive, Win95 installed and the drive split into a 2 gig primary-boot partition as the "C" Windows drive and a 2 gig logical partition as a "D" drive. The remaining 1 gig is broken up as 120MB primary (bootable) partition space, and about 900MB of space in the extended logical partition. I get well into the Linux install (Red Hat 5.2) with the Linux partitions set up as the documentation suggests. Then I get an error message, either attempting to mount the drive (mount failed) or I get an "invalid argument" error! (of course I have no idea what the invalid argument might be... its in Red Hats install!) Any suggestions?? Thanks. Bruce. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 11:24:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA22512 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22721; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:20:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22478; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22465; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:20:38 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-186.gate.net [207.36.212.186]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA227572; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:22:31 -0400 Message-ID: <37724CBE.BADB9F7C@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:20:30 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bourdon, Bruce" CC: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: Linuux install on TPad... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: is there not something about cylinder 1024..? i.e. are you putting the redhat beyond this boundry.. ? whether real or logical.. just my initial thought.. :-) Bourdon, Bruce wrote: > Sorry for the off-topic post... > I have a IBM TP-770, with a 5g hard drive, Win95 installed and the drive > split into a 2 gig primary-boot partition as the "C" Windows drive and a 2 > gig logical partition as a "D" drive. > > The remaining 1 gig is broken up as 120MB primary (bootable) partition > space, and about 900MB of space in the extended logical partition. > > I get well into the Linux install (Red Hat 5.2) with the Linux partitions > set up as the documentation suggests. > > Then I get an error message, either attempting to mount the drive (mount > failed) or I get an "invalid argument" error! (of course I have no idea what > the invalid argument might be... its in Red Hats install!) > > Any suggestions?? > > Thanks. > Bruce. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 12:49:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA23330 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28785; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:46:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28591; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28577; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (24.128.1.71 -> chmls06.mediaone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:46:16 -0400 Received: from desktop.ne.mediaone.net (plumbush.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.150.141]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA26240 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey Baker and Bay James" To: Subject: can Trackpoint make click=double click? Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:46:13 -0400 Message-ID: <002001bebe61$11bf2fc0$8d968018@ne.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: With a 770(z) wonder if there's any way Trackpoint can do this, per that nice feature in the Intellimouse software. -- Jeff Jeffrey Baker and Bay James plumbush@mediaone.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 14:44:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24443 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07132; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:43:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06967; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dragon.goamerica.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06945; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dragon.goamerica.net (206.138.237.234 -> dragon.goamerica.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:42:55 -0400 Received: from ixswykpv (slip-32-100-148-6.wa.us.ibm.net [32.100.148.6]) by dragon.goamerica.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA28952; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990624110922.014fe3e0@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:09:22 -0700 To: Kenneth Rosenblatt , "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" From: John Callahan Subject: Re: IBM 560X v. 560Z--which should I buy? (Formerly: Battery for 560 at PCZone) Cc: John Callahan In-Reply-To: <37718A82.5FF2D7ED@ix.netcom.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19990623174500.014dce70@pop.goamerica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:31 PM 6/23/99 -0700, Kenneth Rosenblatt wrote: >Folks: > >John raises an interesting point: is it better to purchase the 560X >instead of the 560Z? (The price differential is about $400.) I know that >the 560Z is harder on batteries. But is there a significant performance >difference? Apart from the (minor?) difference between a Pentium and a >Pentium II at the same speed, I read somewhere that the 560X, because of >its Pentium MMX, may not be able to address memory above 64MB >efficiently. I plan to use 128MB. > This is not literally true. I have 96MB in my 560X. There may be an issue on whether or not the 560X uses memory above 64MB efficiently, but I have not had any performance problems. My primary applications are: E-Mail Web access Word Processing Spreadsheets Quicken Notice I have no heavy graphics applications. If you do, your mileage may vary. BTW, you had better check the IBM Web site for the specification for maximum memory on the 560Z. Somewhere in the back of my mind the figure 96MB keeps running around. >I know that the 560X has no internal modem and comes with Windows 95 >instead of Windows 98. Are there any other differences? I presume the >screens and keyboards are identical. > The 560Z does not have an internal modem either. The 560Z comes bundled with a 56K PCMCIA modem. >Your thoughts, please. Good luck with your choice. There is no perfect notebook computer. All notebook computers are compromises. It just depends on which compromises best fit your requirements. Regards, John Callahan ----- John Callahan, Editor Information Technology Research Enterprise Automation Report 2608 Second Avenue Suite 240 Member: Computer Press Association Seattle, WA 98121 USA Phone: (206) 282-7050 Web: http://www.itr.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 14:59:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24676 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08451; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:57:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08185; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh02.softhouse.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08171; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh02.softhouse.com (198.110.248.4 -> sh02.softhouse.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:57:50 -0400 Received: from markspc (dialup015.softhouse.com [207.74.44.15]) by sh02.softhouse.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA29819 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:57:44 -0400 From: "Mark Andrew" To: Subject: Trackpoint tip replacements? Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:56:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bebe73$3dce4f80$0e2c4acf@markspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000501bebdd8$2c2ec200$0e2c4acf@markspc> List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know where I could get a couple new trackpoint III tips? Thanks, Mark From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 15:09:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA24754 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09558; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:07:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09306; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09281; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:07:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22409; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:07:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:07:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Mark Andrew cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? In-Reply-To: <000f01bebe73$3dce4f80$0e2c4acf@markspc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Mark Andrew wrote: > Does anyone know where I could get a couple new trackpoint III tips? Try going to http://www.compu-lock.com (Compu-Lock). They sell it in Red or Blue for $16 for a set of four. Does anyone actually use the blue ones on a TP? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 15:39:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25066 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11918; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:38:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11706; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11693; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.132 -> dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:38:00 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.0) id PAA10389 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.0) with SMTP id PAA10315 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906241937.PAA10315@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:41:15 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:07:09 -0700 (PDT), Vincent Poy wrote: >On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Mark Andrew wrote: > >> Does anyone know where I could get a couple new >>trackpoint III tips? > >Try going to http://www.compu-lock.com (Compu-Lock). They sell >it in Red or Blue for $16 for a set of four. Does anyone >actually use the blue ones on a TP? Surely that would void the warranty!? Or does TP = "Toshiba Portable"? ;) andrew ------ my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 15:49:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25189 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13013; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:47:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12697; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12647; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:47:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22515; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:47:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:47:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Andrew Webber cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? In-Reply-To: <199906241937.PAA10315@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Andrew Webber wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:07:09 -0700 (PDT), Vincent Poy wrote: > > >On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Mark Andrew wrote: > > > >> Does anyone know where I could get a couple new > >>trackpoint III tips? > > > >Try going to http://www.compu-lock.com (Compu-Lock). They sell > >it in Red or Blue for $16 for a set of four. Does anyone > >actually use the blue ones on a TP? > > Surely that would void the warranty!? Or does TP = "Toshiba > Portable"? ;) I doubt it would void the warranty since it's a ThinkPad Proven product and Compu-lock is the place that even IBM sends you to for replacements. But I thought Toshiba was green and Micron was Blue while IBM and HP were Red. 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------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BEBE5A.7AF8C390-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 18:04:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02434 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24254; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:02:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24018; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24002; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:02:02 -0400 Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA00204; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id SAA26510; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Are any other floppies compatible with TP 600? References: <19990624203841.26213.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 24 Jun 1999 18:01:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: 's message of "24 Jun 99 14:38:41 MDT" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: writes: > Does anyone know if the external floppy from the Thinkpad 701, 560 or 365 > models will work as an external floppy with the Thinkpad 600? Is is just a > matter of buying a different cable or an adapter? Works fine with the same cable (just used my 560 floppy to boot my boss' 600 yesterday). Peace, dNb From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 18:09:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02480 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24816; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:07:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24583; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24561; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:07:39 -0400 Received: from 92.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.149.92]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990624220737.XKYT1659@92.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:07:37 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:06:52 GMT Message-ID: <3775ab9e.20964221@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:05:12 -0700 (PDT), Vincent Poy wrote: >> I miss the black ones I had for my 700C... > > Woah, they had black ones too? Yep - I've still got a couple floating around the apartment here somewhere, I think. I've never seen the "cat's tongue" version I prefer in black, which I'd use. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 eFax phone # - 801-328-3789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 18:16:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02585 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25480; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:14:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25276; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25263; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:14:28 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-186.gate.net [207.36.212.186]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA415080; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:16:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3772ADBA.70B7905C@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:14:18 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David N. Blank-Edelman" CC: tom.franklin@usa.net, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Are any other floppies compatible with TP 600? References: <19990624203841.26213.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The IBM external floppy has worked fine on all thinkpads i have ever had.. up to the 770Z.. in fact, the one i use on this 770Z is the same one i got with a 755CD years ago.. David N. Blank-Edelman wrote: > writes: > > > Does anyone know if the external floppy from the Thinkpad 701, 560 or 365 > > models will work as an external floppy with the Thinkpad 600? Is is just a > > matter of buying a different cable or an adapter? > > Works fine with the same cable (just used my 560 floppy to boot my boss' > 600 yesterday). > > Peace, > dNb -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 18:37:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02860 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26834; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:35:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26675; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26635; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (198.137.169.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:35:20 -0400 Received: by localhost.zydacron.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:31:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Bourdon, Bruce" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Cc: "'nnhlug - majordomo@hps-inc.com'" , "'gnhlug majordomo@zk3.dec.com'" Subject: Newbie still cant install Linux... Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:31:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I have a 5 GB hard drive, but it has only 623 cylinders - so I don't have to worry about the "1023 limit." When I try to run Red Hats' installation I get an error message stating "mount failed, invalid argument." and have not yet found out why (it gives no further info and it is not possible to review the "log file)." This happens whether I run the "Workstation" (automatic) or "Custom" (slightly more manula - at least as far as partition creation is concerned) modes A big part of my problem is that I don't know what arrangement of partitions is acceptable. The current setup is: p-1 120 MB free (unused) primary - bootable. p-2 ~2GB Windows-95 primary - bootable. p-3 (holder for logical partitions) primary. p-4 900 MB free logical. p-5 ~2GB Windows Data Disk logical. I was intending to allocate p-1 into the Root and "/home" partitions, and break up p-3 into "/usr" and the Swap partition, but Disk Druid may not have been doing that when I added partitions (it doesn't say wheter the partitions came from the primary or logical partitions). I originally tried with p-1 at 1 GB and putting everything there but the install program failedbecause it could not create sufficient number of partitions (only four primary partitions are allowed). So I moved the bulk of the space to the logical area, figuring Linux would need some in the promary for booting and the user and other linux partitions could go into the "logical partitions," as the total qty of partitions could be higher than the four-primary limit reached earlier. Now I creat all of the partitions, format them (I think) and then the installation software crashes when it attemts to mount drives (partitions?) for the actual software install (I think). The installation software is fine when things work but is very UNHELPFUL when things don't, due to the lack of specific information of the failure. Does this sound reasonable to you? Any thoughts on what direction I should take? Because the pc is a Notebook, adding another drive or swapping drives for desired operating system is an expensive alternative that I'd prefer to avoid at this time. Thanks for your time and any help. Bruce. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 19:02:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA03120 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19100; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:57:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18895; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot015.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18881; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot015.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.115 -> pilot015.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:57:34 -0400 Received: from andres (port34.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.173]) by pilot015.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA30524 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:57:27 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990624165920.008dce50@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:59:20 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? In-Reply-To: <199906241937.PAA10315@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I miss the black ones I had for my 700C... ... >>> Does anyone know where I could get a couple new >>>trackpoint III tips? >> >>Try going to http://www.compu-lock.com (Compu-Lock). They sell >>it in Red or Blue for $16 for a set of four. Does anyone >>actually use the blue ones on a TP? ... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 19:02:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA03123 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19876; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:05:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19701; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19686; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:05:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22728; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:05:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:05:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "STeve Andre'" cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990624165920.008dce50@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: > I miss the black ones I had for my 700C... Woah, they had black ones too? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 19:13:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA03222 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17562; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:38:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17424; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay03.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17409; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from relay03.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.183 -> relay03.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:38:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 19284 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1999 20:38:41 -0000 Received: from www0s.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.48) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 1999 20:38:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 26214 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 1999 20:38:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19990624203841.26213.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.48 by www0s via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Thu Jun 24 20:38:41 GMT 1999 Date: 24 Jun 99 14:38:41 MDT To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Are any other floppies compatible with TP 600? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know if the external floppy from the Thinkpad 701, 560 or 365= models will work as an external floppy with the Thinkpad 600? Is is just= a matter of buying a different cable or an adapter? ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 20:29:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA03935 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03050; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:26:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02838; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02818; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:26:31 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.16.184]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990625002624.SOIA1417@770>; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:26:24 +0000 Message-ID: <3772CC73.1FAF@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:25:23 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Edwards CC: Tim Tyhurst , pkhoury@mindspring.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DVD References: <199905251758.NAA14735@caliban.dogmead.com> <01a101bea6dc$b0178560$458cdfd0@FREMONT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Just got the new high speed DVD PCMCIA interface card (cardbus) to go with my EXP PCMCIA DVD traveler drive. The new card works great! Smooth playback on both the 770ED and the Sony 707C. This works as good as an internal drive with DMA (on these units). Bryan Edwards wrote: > > Hi All-- > IBM offers internal DVD drives. I can also recomend externals if you need > them. But to play DVD you are going to need to decode it. Software is not > there, yet. Please visit our web page @ www.margi.com look at the DVD-to-Go > PCMCIA card It's Think Pad Proven and will work on 133 MHz and up machines. > If you are interested please email me at bedwards@margi.com or call in the > US 888.656.2744..22 or 510.657.4435..22 outside the US and I will offer the > think pad list a discounted price if you are interested. > Regards, > Bryan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tim Tyhurst > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 10:58 AM > Subject: Re: DVD > > > > I have a 760ED in a SelectaDock 2, with a Real Magic Hollywood card, and > > > a TOshiba 5X DVD in the dock. Works Great! > > > > I tried a variation of the same: Real Magic Hollywood card and a Toshiba > > 1X DVD with a ThinkPad 760E (120Mhz) in a SelectaDock 2, but the results > > were not good -- too many dropped frames. > > > > Real Magic recommended a 133Mhz as the minimum processor speed, so that's > > probably the main source of my problem. > > > > In any case, this is unlikely to be a satisfactory solution, as it's not > > exactly highly portable. > > > > > Paul Khoury wrote: > > > > > > > > While we're on the topic of DVD, I heard somewhere you can > > > > get a DVD option for the 760 (even though my machine is a P133). > > > > Is this true? It would be nice to watch my DVD movies when > > > > away from home... > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 21:09:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01572 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06042; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:44:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05879; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05859; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:44:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:44:04 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a26.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.26]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA06929; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906250143.VAA06929@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a26.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.26] 209.198.80.26 Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:31:14 -0400 To: , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <19990624203841.26213.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: Are any other floppies compatible with TP 600? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >Does anyone know if the external floppy from the Thinkpad 701, 560 or 365 >models will work as an external floppy with the Thinkpad 600? Is is just >a matter of buying a different cable or an adapter? The floppy from the 560 plugs right into 600. I 've never seen the others so I don't know about them. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 21:59:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01837 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10757; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:44:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10488; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10469; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:44:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.8 -> dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:44:08 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA08665; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:43:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alb-ny4-05.ix.netcom.com(204.32.163.133) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008631; Thu Jun 24 22:43:46 1999 Message-ID: <3772F9FE.1F97@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:39:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Emanuel Brown CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? References: <3775ab9e.20964221@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Emanuel Brown wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:05:12 -0700 (PDT), Vincent Poy > wrote: > >> I miss the black ones I had for my 700C... > > > > Woah, they had black ones too? > > Yep - I've still got a couple floating around the apartment here > somewhere, I think. I've never seen the "cat's tongue" version I prefer in > black, which I'd use. > epbrown > Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 > Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html > Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 > eFax phone # - 801-328-3789 every now and then a fellow from Hawaii sells 5 in a pack IBM/Toshiba eraser heads in black and other colors on Ebay rather cheap. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 22:00:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA01857 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11041; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:45:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10710; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10646; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (198.137.169.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:45:30 -0400 Received: by localhost.zydacron.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:42:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Bourdon, Bruce" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Xwindows = black screen Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:42:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: TP 770 running redhat Linux 5.2 (thankyou to all who sent helpful suggestions!) Initial Linux command line mode (ie; text based) works fine. When XFree86 is started (startx) the screen goes black, hard drive chugs a bit, and ...the screen stays black! If I move the mouse around and click blindly I get occasional beeps and harddrive activity, so it does appear that X is running. But I cant see anything! Probe shows the correct video card and LCD "monitor": IBM ThinkPad Cyber9397 PCI... Any ideas? Bruce. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 24 22:02:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA01867 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11416; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:47:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11060; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpcug.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10964; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:46:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from cpcug.org (205.197.248.25 -> cpcug.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:46:58 -0400 Received: from dc-hiper107.idsonline.com (dc-hiper107.idsonline.com [205.177.251.107]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA20675 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:43:16 -0400 (EDT) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux / Boot Manager / OS/2 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:42:09 GMT Message-ID: <3773f7d8.25516967@cpcug.org> References: <199906211734.NAA29246@CS.UTK.EDU> In-Reply-To: <199906211734.NAA29246@CS.UTK.EDU> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:34:45 +0000 you wrote:=20 >On Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:38:40 +0000, Alex Bell wrote: > >>I am thinking of installing Red Hat Linux 5.2 on my Thinkpad 385XD.=20 ^^^^^^^^^^^ There is a "Linux on Laptops" website. Lists alot of laptop brands and people who have installed Linux on it. Why not install Red Hat Linux 6.0, kernel 2.?.=20 Linux on Laptops http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ Linux on Laptop -- HOWTO http://www.snafu.de/~wehe/Laptop-HOWTO.html LiLAC - Linux with Laptop Computers http://www.snafu.de/~wehe/index_li.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 00:27:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA02183 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13188; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:25:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13032; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.jaring.my (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13005; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.jaring.my (192.228.128.12 -> relay2.jaring.my) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:25:22 -0400 Received: from Administrator (j9.ptl32.jaring.my [161.142.114.143]) by relay2.jaring.my (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA06518; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:24:25 +0800 (MYT) From: "Warren Tan Wing Wah" To: "John Callahan" Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: IBM 560X v. 560Z--which should I buy? (Formerly: Battery for 560 at PCZone) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:24:31 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990624110922.014fe3e0@pop.goamerica.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > > This is not literally true. I have 96MB in my 560X. There may be an > issue on whether or not the 560X uses memory above 64MB efficiently, > but I have not had any performance problems. > > My primary applications are: > > E-Mail > Web access > Word Processing > Spreadsheets > Quicken Hmm... I always thought that that extra 32MB will not help you, but slow you down instead? Have you compared with "just" 64MB of RAM? Don't have all the posts, but there was a big debate either here or on comp.sys.laptops about the 64MB limit issue. The conclusion (as I have it in my head - it could be wrong) was that 96MB instead of 64MB was NOT good for you :) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 00:55:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA02423 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09495; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:13:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09317; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09304; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:13:51 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26728.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.209]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA07101; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <046701bebeb9$4d52c5d0$d156e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: "Donnie Hagan" , Subject: Re: dockII Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:17:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0464_01BEBE97.C5C87360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0464_01BEBE97.C5C87360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Donnie, The SCSI bus has two ends, one on the internal side, the other external. = The last device on each end of the SCSI bus must be terminated. If you = have no external devices attached, you can terminate the external bus = (also referred to as "host adapter") using the SCSISelect utility.=20 Having said this, there are four possibilities: 1) The host adapter is = not terminated, 2) The CD-ROM drive is not terminated, 3) Neither one is = terminated. 4) The error is false. Expanding on #4 above, there is a known problem where a false error = message is issued if you use active termination on the Dock II's SCSI = bus. In particular, there is an IBM 4x SCSI CD-ROM that causes this = problem (surely because it has active termination). The way to get = around this false error message is to use passive termination. You can = do this by removing the termination from the CD-ROM drive (probably a = jumper since resistors were used mostly with passive termination) and = install an "inline" passive terminator between the SCSI cable connector = and the CD-ROM drive. I hope this helps. Carlos de la Puente -----Original Message----- From: Donnie Hagan To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 10:01 PM Subject: dockII =20 =20 =20 I have dockII with 4xcd installed. When booting it says "fewer than = two terminators detected on the scsi bus". Is this a jumper problem? Any = help appreciated! ------=_NextPart_000_0464_01BEBE97.C5C87360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Donnie,
 
The SCSI bus has two ends, one on the internal side, = the other=20 external. The last device on each end of the SCSI bus must be = terminated. If you=20 have no external devices attached, you can terminate the external bus = (also=20 referred to as "host adapter") using the SCSISelect utility.
 
Having said this, there are four possibilities: 1) = The host=20 adapter is not terminated, 2) The CD-ROM drive is not terminated, 3) = Neither one=20 is terminated. 4) The error is false.
 
Expanding on #4 above, there is a = known problem=20 where a false error message is issued if you use active termination on = the Dock=20 II's SCSI bus. In particular, there is an IBM 4x SCSI CD-ROM that causes = this=20 problem (surely because it has active termination). The way to get = around this=20 false error message is to use passive termination. You can do this by = removing=20 the termination from the CD-ROM drive (probably a jumper since resistors = were=20 used mostly with passive termination) and install an "inline" = passive=20 terminator between the SCSI cable connector and the CD-ROM = drive.
 
I hope this helps.
 
Carlos de la Puente
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Donnie Hagan <donnie@hagan-construction.c= om>
To:=20 THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu = <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Dat= e:=20 Wednesday, June 23, 1999 10:01 PM
Subject:=20 dockII


I have dockII with 4xcd = installed. When=20 booting it says "fewer than two
terminators detected on the = scsi=20 bus". Is this a jumper problem? Any=20 help
appreciated!
------=_NextPart_000_0464_01BEBE97.C5C87360-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 01:26:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA02576 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15010; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:24:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14885; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.flash.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14872; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.flash.net (209.30.0.41 -> ares.flash.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:24:52 -0400 Received: from s9i5e3 (p235-1.atnt1.dialup.ftw1.flash.net [209.30.235.1]) by ares.flash.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA14682; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:24:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006101bebecb$61f5f4a0$01eb1ed1@s9i5e3> From: "Tom Collins" To: "Emanuel Brown" , Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:27:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I thought that 'feel' on mine was wear. Cat's tougue describes it perfectly. I took it off and put a yellow smoothie on it, but I'd like a black one, too. A vendor here in North Texas sells them for $5 each. He has some green ones. >>> I miss the black ones I had for my 700C... > > Yep - I've still got a couple floating around the apartment here >somewhere, I think. I've never seen the "cat's tongue" version I prefer in >black, which I'd use. Want a green smoothie? Swap ya for a black one. Tom From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 04:42:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA03518 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23080; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:40:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22845; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22831; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:40:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24889; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:39:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:39:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Tom Collins cc: Emanuel Brown , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? In-Reply-To: <006101bebecb$61f5f4a0$01eb1ed1@s9i5e3> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Tom Collins wrote: Okay, just out of curiousity, I noticed everyone both on the list and in private mentions Cat's tongue, what is that exactly? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > I thought that 'feel' on mine was wear. Cat's tougue describes it perfectly. > I took it off and put a yellow smoothie on it, but I'd like a black one, > too. > > A vendor here in North Texas sells them for $5 each. He has some green ones. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 06:57:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA04009 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02064; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:55:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01947; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01933; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:55:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.5 -> dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:55:02 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id FAA09319; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:54:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alb-ny6-53.ix.netcom.com(198.211.83.117) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009302; Fri Jun 25 05:54:24 1999 Message-ID: <37735EEC.59AA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:50:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Collins CC: Emanuel Brown , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? References: <006101bebecb$61f5f4a0$01eb1ed1@s9i5e3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Tom Collins wrote: > > I thought that 'feel' on mine was wear. Cat's tougue describes it perfectly. > I took it off and put a yellow smoothie on it, but I'd like a black one, > too. > > A vendor here in North Texas sells them for $5 each. He has some green ones. > > >>> I miss the black ones I had for my 700C... > > > > Yep - I've still got a couple floating around the apartment here > >somewhere, I think. I've never seen the "cat's tongue" version I prefer in > >black, which I'd use. > > Want a green smoothie? Swap ya for a black one. > > Tom explore Ebay. I got (2) packages for $10 from a guy in Hawaii, one pkg was all black, the other was reg, yellow, and green. harvey From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 07:19:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA04084 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02938; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:18:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02824; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02811; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.41 -> mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:18:47 -0400 Received: from 60.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.149.60]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990625111844.RYZP22412@60.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:18:44 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:18:00 GMT Message-ID: <37736517.25279940@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:39:53 -0700 (PDT), Vincent Poy wrote: >Okay, just out of curiousity, I noticed everyone both on the list >and in private mentions Cat's tongue, what is that exactly? The rough textured trackpoints that your finger doesn't slip off of, like mine does with the smooth older ones. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 eFax phone # - 801-328-3789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 08:04:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA04201 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04707; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:02:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04519; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04505; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (206.146.7.2 -> rattler.gtfc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:02:42 -0400 Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (root@localhost) by rattler.gtfc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA17664; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:02:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from csc.com ([10.1.11.49]) by rattler.gtfc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA17660; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:02:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37736FC6.C16A6A39@csc.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:02:14 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Tom Collins , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vincent Poy wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Tom Collins wrote: > > Okay, just out of curiousity, I noticed everyone both on the list > and in private mentions Cat's tongue, what is that exactly? The non-smooth surface of red trackpoint caps on ThinkPads... they are kind of textured like sandpaper, or a cat's tongue. Every thinkpad I've had or seen since the 760 has had them. They give you a little more 'grip' on the trackpoint so that you don't have to press as hard. While we're on the subject of trackpoints, has anyone ever got 'trackpoint-itis'? Maybe it should be called 'trackpoint finger'. In any case, I used my 760 as a full time development machine for several months straight a year and a half ago and it seemed to permanently wreck the tip of my trackpoint finger. Now I can't use the trackpoint for more than 5 min. without my finger hurting. I've taken to using an external mouse all the time with my 770. Maybe I have a case against IBM on the same basis as those people who sued the keyboard manufacturers for carpal tunnel??? :-) Rob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 08:23:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA04285 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05892; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:22:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05622; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05606; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:22:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA25649; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:21:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:21:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Emanuel Brown cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? In-Reply-To: <37736517.25279940@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Emanuel Brown wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:39:53 -0700 (PDT), Vincent Poy > wrote: > >Okay, just out of curiousity, I noticed everyone both on the list > >and in private mentions Cat's tongue, what is that exactly? > > The rough textured trackpoints that your finger doesn't slip off of, > like mine does with the smooth older ones. Hopefully I'll get a chance to try one of those. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 08:26:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA04295 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06295; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:25:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06037; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05926; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (206.146.7.2 -> rattler.gtfc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:23:47 -0400 Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (root@localhost) by rattler.gtfc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18694 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:23:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from csc.com ([10.1.11.49]) by rattler.gtfc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18690 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:23:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <377374B6.C7493BBD@csc.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:23:18 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: Re: IBM 560X v. 560Z--which should I buy? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a P233MMX 770. I've used 64MB, 96MB, and 128MB in it. My main O/S is NT4. I usually have a lot of applications going, ie.: MSOffice toolbar, McAfee, CleanSweep, Lotus Notes, Netscape, Outlook98, and maybe Visio or Word. Each time after bumping up the memory I've seen performance improvements related to the fact that NT didn't have to use disk swap as much. It's certainly possible that having uncached memory above 64MB might have slight performance impacts in some circumstances, but having more memory has a much greater benefit the majority of the time. Look at it this way: If you never ran enough programs to increase your memory usage over what physical memory you have installed, then having over 64MB on a system that can't cache it all might cause _slight_ performance problems. If you ever need more memory than you physically have, then you start using swap space on disk. Any time this happens your performance hit is _HUGE_. So if you're regularly exceeding your physical memory then adding more will reduce the need for disk access (swap space) and you'll see performance improvements. With the number of background processes (like antivirus and toolbars and whatever else is in your system tray) running on today's systems, along with the large applications that we use, it doesn't take long to use up 64MB of memory. Warren Tan Wing Wah wrote: > Hmm... I always thought that that extra 32MB will not help you, but slow you > down instead? Have you compared with "just" 64MB of RAM? Don't have all > the posts, but there was a big debate either here or on comp.sys.laptops > about the 64MB limit issue. The conclusion (as I have it in my head - it > could be wrong) was that 96MB instead of 64MB was NOT good for you :) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 09:16:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA04553 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09803; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:13:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09609; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09587; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.119 -> pilot019.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:13:41 -0400 Received: from andres (pm452-05.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.111]) by pilot019.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA26956 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:13:37 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990625091600.008f0bf0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:16:00 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? In-Reply-To: <37736FC6.C16A6A39@csc.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: When I first got my 1451i on 4/20, I noticed that by 4/23 or so my right hand was hurting at one of the tendons on the right hand side near the wrist. I massaged it a couple of times a day but continued to use the trackpoint, and started using my left hand to control it at times, and all is well now. It only makes sense that the trackpoint will exercise your hands in new and unusual ways, so a gentle touch, requiring less effort is whats needed. Also, you can adjust the sensitivity level in the control panel in Windows, making it easier to move around. I there there are inherent dangers in any form of constant motion that you do. Most things in the computer hardware area seem relatively OK to use with some practice. Unforunately, design changes today seem to be mostly law-suit driven rather than the best ergonomic design. These huge palm rests that all laptops have these days are an artifact of the $5M lawsuit that Digital got for their "dangerous keyboard". I must say that I resent having all these "ergonomic" choices foisted on me, as opposed to being able to select the kind of keyboard I want. I'd even pay extra for it. Ah well. STeve Andre andres@pilot.msu.edu At 07:02 AM 6/25/99 -0500, Rob Bell wrote: ... >While we're on the subject of trackpoints, has anyone ever got >'trackpoint-itis'? Maybe it should be called 'trackpoint finger'. In >any case, I used my 760 as a full time development machine for several >months straight a year and a half ago and it seemed to permanently wreck >the tip of my trackpoint finger. Now I can't use the trackpoint for >more than 5 min. without my finger hurting. I've taken to using an >external mouse all the time with my 770. Maybe I have a case against >IBM on the same basis as those people who sued the keyboard >manufacturers for carpal tunnel??? :-) > >Rob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 09:27:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA04638 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10916; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:24:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10742; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot014.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10729; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot014.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.114 -> pilot014.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:24:47 -0400 Received: from andres (pm452-05.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.111]) by pilot014.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA34840 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:24:39 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990625092700.008ef300@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:27:00 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: IBM 560X v. 560Z--which should I buy? In-Reply-To: <377374B6.C7493BBD@csc.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Unless there is an incredible design deficiency in a computer system, adding more memory will ALWAYS be a win. Cached memory is of course better than unchaced. If you encounter someone who says the extra memory is bad for performance, remind them of this fact: memory references occur in a matter of a few microseconds (never mind the speed, its still in that range for anything modern), and disks return data on the order of milliseconds. Which will provide better performance, the data coming from uncached memory or >from a disk? The answer of course is memory, better than 99.99% of the time. Swapping any given piece of data from disk takes at least an order of magnitude more time than fetching it from memory. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu >Warren Tan Wing Wah wrote: > > Hmm... I always thought that that extra 32MB will not help you, but slow you > down instead? Have you compared with "just" 64MB of RAM? Don't have all > the posts, but there was a big debate either here or on comp.sys.laptops > about the 64MB limit issue. The conclusion (as I have it in my head - it > could be wrong) was that 96MB instead of 64MB was NOT good for you :) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 09:47:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA04783 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12936; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:45:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12824; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12802; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:45:38 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27618 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <377387FE.7DCD8893@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:45:34 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM 560X v. 560Z--which should I buy? References: <3.0.6.32.19990625092700.008ef300@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: When I had a 233MHz Pentium MMX 770, I measured speed with 64MB and with 96MB. I measured the speed of our speech recognition system running in Linux. This program fit comfortably inside of 64MB. With 96MB, the system ran about 15% slower than with 64MB. Thus, if your OS tends to put your program above 64MB, and you do not really need more than 64MB, you will see some slow down with the "incredible design deficiency" of the common Intel chipsets that only cache 64MB. Of course, YMMV, but more memory will not always be a win. I was happy to switch to a Pentium II ThinkPad 600 and have all 288MB cached. --Lee From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 09:57:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA04845 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14155; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:54:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13902; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13881; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.112 -> pilot012.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:54:49 -0400 Received: from andres (pm452-05.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.111]) by pilot012.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA32412 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:54:43 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990625095703.008f5710@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:57:03 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: IBM 560X v. 560Z--which should I buy? In-Reply-To: <377387FE.7DCD8893@sls.lcs.mit.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.19990625092700.008ef300@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Well, you've pointed out the condition where adding memory it isn't needed will slow the system down. That makes sense, that your speech recognition program would run slower out of non-chaced memory. However, add 5 more programs to the mixture and you'd see the opposite results; any diminished swapping would be a large gain for you. But yes, you're right: for the condition of not swapping, adding memory in an unchached region of address space is no win. However, how many people encounter that? Certainly not the Windows world with ever decreasing program efficiency in each succeeding generation. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 09:45 AM 6/25/99 -0400, I Lee Hetherington wrote: >When I had a 233MHz Pentium MMX 770, I measured speed with 64MB and with >96MB. I measured the speed of our speech recognition system running in >Linux. This program fit comfortably inside of 64MB. With 96MB, the >system ran about 15% slower than with 64MB. > >Thus, if your OS tends to put your program above 64MB, and you do not >really need more than 64MB, you will see some slow down with the >"incredible design deficiency" of the common Intel chipsets that only >cache 64MB. > >Of course, YMMV, but more memory will not always be a win. > >I was happy to switch to a Pentium II ThinkPad 600 and have all 288MB >cached. > >--Lee > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 11:26:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA05685 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21604; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:23:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21415; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21400; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906251523.LAA21400@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (129.71.2.4 -> wvnvm.wvnet.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:23:36 -0400 Received: from teapot [129.71.229.162] by WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:25:41 EDT From: "Vrondi" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:07:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? Reply-to: vrondi@nettaxi.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <006101bebecb$61f5f4a0$01eb1ed1@s9i5e3> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) List-Unsubscribe: hmm, sure _does_ feel like a cat's tongue! good description. Thinks a minute. WEll, i have some very good very permanent markers here. Couldn't a person just colour their "eraser" with a darker coloured permanent marker? Like a red one to black or purple or dark blue? (hmm, might have to try this). -Chrys From: "Tom Collins" To: "Emanuel Brown" , Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? Date sent: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:27:13 -0500 > I thought that 'feel' on mine was wear. Cat's tougue describes it > perfectly. I took it off and put a yellow smoothie on it, but I'd like a > black one, too. > > A vendor here in North Texas sells them for $5 each. He has some green > ones. > > >>> I miss the black ones I had for my 700C... > > > > Yep - I've still got a couple floating around the apartment here > >somewhere, I think. I've never seen the "cat's tongue" version I prefer > >in black, which I'd use. > > Want a green smoothie? 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From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 11:52:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA05881 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23965; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:49:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23698; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23683; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:49:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15203 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:49:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:49:08 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? In-Reply-To: <37736FC6.C16A6A39@csc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Rob Bell wrote: > > While we're on the subject of trackpoints, has anyone ever got > 'trackpoint-itis'? Maybe it should be called 'trackpoint finger'. In I had that problem with the old caps. They were so slippery I had to press down really hard on them to get enough grip to press the trackpoint sideways to get the mouse cursor to move with any decent speed. It also didn't help that IBM didn't give a greater range of mouse sensitivity in OS/2 (which is what I was using at the time). With the textured cat's tongue caps, I don't have that problem anymore. Now the problem is that I tend to hold my laptop closer than my desktop keyboard, so my wrists are at a kind of awkward angle when I type. The "natural" keyboard I use for my desktop has gotten me spoiled. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 12:25:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06193 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26618; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:22:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26356; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24590; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (140.142.76.8 -> jason02.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:55:25 -0400 Received: from dante13.u.washington.edu (ranger5@dante13.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.39]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id IAA21114; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:55:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (ranger5@localhost) by dante13.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id IAA50882; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:55:21 -0700 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:55:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Kokaly" To: Warren Tan Wing Wah cc: John Callahan , Thinkpad Subject: RE: IBM 560X v. 560Z--which should I buy? (Formerly: Battery for 560 at PCZone) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: >From my understanding, these countless debates boil down to the next point. If you are regularly using more than 64 mb of memory, it is a speed improvement as you are caching less to the disk. If you are using less than 64mb, you will pay a penalty, though no one agrees as to how much. Personally, I bought the 64 MB and have 96 MB installed. I considered it a little protection for the next year when I'm sure memory requirements for applications will grow. I decided to do that rather than go to 64MB and then kick myself for not buying a larger memory module when I needed it later. Matt On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Warren Tan Wing Wah wrote: > > > > > This is not literally true. I have 96MB in my 560X. There may be an > > issue on whether or not the 560X uses memory above 64MB efficiently, > > but I have not had any performance problems. > > > > My primary applications are: > > > > E-Mail > > Web access > > Word Processing > > Spreadsheets > > Quicken > > Hmm... I always thought that that extra 32MB will not help you, but slow you > down instead? Have you compared with "just" 64MB of RAM? Don't have all > the posts, but there was a big debate either here or on comp.sys.laptops > about the 64MB limit issue. The conclusion (as I have it in my head - it > could be wrong) was that 96MB instead of 64MB was NOT good for you :) > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 12:27:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06222 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27265; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:23:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26717; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26664; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:23:32 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-102.usc.edu [128.125.224.102]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA11308; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990625092120.032d4320@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:22:00 -0700 To: vrondi@nettaxi.com, TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? In-Reply-To: <199906251523.LAA21400@CS.UTK.EDU> References: <006101bebecb$61f5f4a0$01eb1ed1@s9i5e3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:07 AM 6/25/99 -0400, you wrote: >hmm, sure _does_ feel like a cat's tongue! good description. > Thinks a minute. WEll, i have some very good very permanent >markers here. Couldn't a person just colour their "eraser" with a >darker coloured permanent marker? Like a red one to black or purple >or dark blue? (hmm, might have to try this). >-Chrys You'll find out very quickly that permanent markers aren't as permanent as you could presume...and you'll have the colored fingers to show for it. ;-) - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 12:28:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06228 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27394; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:24:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26793; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26663; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:23:32 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-102.usc.edu [128.125.224.102]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA11326 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990625092208.032d7950@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:22:12 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:16 AM 6/25/99 -0400, you wrote: >It only makes sense that the trackpoint will exercise your hands >in new and unusual ways, so a gentle touch, requiring less effort Personally, after having a machine with a touchpad for a couple of months (a year ago), I think the touchpad is *much* worse on your hands/wrist than any trackpoint. It required some kind of hand-acrobatics to do it. Far less comfortable than trackpoints! - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 14:10:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07277 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04509; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:06:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04106; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04060; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:06:17 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg135-080.ricochet.net [204.179.135.80]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA11250; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:06:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Mark Andrew" , Subject: RE: Trackpoint tip replacements? Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:06:04 -0700 Message-ID: <002b01bebf35$641d0d30$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <000f01bebe73$3dce4f80$0e2c4acf@markspc> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > Does anyone know where I could get a couple new trackpoint III tips? You sure got a lot of replies to this question, but I didn't see anyone mention the best source for TrackPoint caps: IBM Parts at http://www.direct.ibm.com/parts/ or 1-800-388-7080. Part #84G6536 is a set of two caps, which sells for $5 with free shipping. That's less than half the price of another vendor I saw mentioned. -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://dmoz.org/Computers/Hardware/Notebooks_and_Laptops/Makes_and_Models/IB M/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 14:10:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07283 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04604; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:07:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04261; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04215; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:07:18 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg135-080.ricochet.net [204.179.135.80]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA11330; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:06:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Vincent Poy" , "Mark Andrew" Cc: Subject: RE: Trackpoint tip replacements? Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:06:45 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01bebf35$7ca6f140$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > > Does anyone know where I could get a couple new trackpoint III tips? > Try going to http://www.compu-lock.com (Compu-Lock). They sell it > in Red or Blue for $16 for a set of four... Plus $6 for UPS ground, so that's $22 for the four caps. Or spend $20 with IBM and get *eight* caps. Each set of two TrackPoint caps (part #84G6536) is $5 with free shipping: http://www.direct.ibm.com/parts/ or 1-800-388-7080 -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://dmoz.org/Computers/Hardware/Notebooks_and_Laptops/Makes_and_Models/IB M/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 14:28:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07381 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06168; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:25:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06032; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kepler.pa.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06003; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kepler.pa.msu.edu (35.8.48.107 -> kepler.pa.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:25:22 -0400 Received: from pa.msu.edu ([35.8.50.80]) by kepler.pa.msu.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA14048; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Sender: rockwell@kepler.pa.msu.edu Message-ID: <3773913E.6939C441@pa.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:25:02 -0400 From: Tom Rockwell Organization: MSUHEP X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM 560X v. 560Z--which should I buy? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Another potential cause of system slowdown is if parts of the OS end up in the uncached memory. Then every time you need a ceratin OS function the code has to be fetched from memory and not the cache... I've been told that NT tends to put itself in the highest parts of the memory. YMMV. -Tom Rockwell > Well, you've pointed out the condition where adding memory it isn't > needed will slow the system down. That makes sense, that your speech > recognition program would run slower out of non-chaced memory. > > However, add 5 more programs to the mixture and you'd see the opposite > results; any diminished swapping would be a large gain for you. > > But yes, you're right: for the condition of not swapping, adding > memory > in an unchached region of address space is no win. However, how many > people encounter that? Certainly not the Windows world with ever > decreasing program efficiency in each succeeding generation. > > --STeve Andre' > andres@pilot.msu.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 14:43:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07462 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07698; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:38:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07276; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot014.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07221; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot014.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.114 -> pilot014.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:38:22 -0400 Received: from andres (andres.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.151]) by pilot014.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA38772; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:38:18 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990625143704.008ea4f0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:37:04 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: IBM 560X v. 560Z--which should I buy? Cc: andres@pilot.msu.edu In-Reply-To: <3773913E.6939C441@pa.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Wonderful. An OS designed to be the least compatible with non-optimized hardware. ;-) Still, isn't this only a real problem when you have "just enough" memory and add more? Please correct me if my view of things is askew being in crazed US academia, but how many people ever fit into a catagory like that as opposed to need a LOT more memory because they want to run several things at once? Sure, NT if it crawls into upper memory which is uncached is going to run more slowly than if it was in cached memory, but once actual things are being run, won't the fact that you aren't swapping as much more than compensate for the OS running in slower memory? I have never run NT in this kind of environment so I suppose I could be wrong--but all my experience tells me that uncached memory is still a bargin (time wise) compared to swapping, even with the OS stuck in that slower memory region. STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 10:25 AM 6/25/1999 -0400, Tom Rockwell wrote: >Another potential cause of system slowdown is if parts of the OS end >up in the uncached memory. Then every time you need a ceratin OS >function >the code has to be fetched from memory and not the cache... I've been >told >that NT tends to put itself in the highest parts of the memory. > >YMMV. > >-Tom Rockwell From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 14:55:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07554 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08878; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:52:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08549; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08535; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:52:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26900; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:51:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:51:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Geary cc: Mark Andrew , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Trackpoint tip replacements? In-Reply-To: <002c01bebf35$7ca6f140$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Michael Geary wrote: > > > Does anyone know where I could get a couple new trackpoint III tips? > > > Try going to http://www.compu-lock.com (Compu-Lock). They sell it > > in Red or Blue for $16 for a set of four... > > Plus $6 for UPS ground, so that's $22 for the four caps. > > Or spend $20 with IBM and get *eight* caps. > > Each set of two TrackPoint caps (part #84G6536) is $5 with free shipping: > > http://www.direct.ibm.com/parts/ or 1-800-388-7080 Never knew about that option since both the IBM Techs and the ThinkPad Mobile Solutions Guide points to Comp-lock. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 14:56:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07571 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09224; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:53:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08727; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08659; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:52:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26909; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:52:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:52:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Geary cc: Mark Andrew , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Trackpoint tip replacements? In-Reply-To: <002b01bebf35$641d0d30$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Michael Geary wrote: > > Does anyone know where I could get a couple new trackpoint III tips? > > You sure got a lot of replies to this question, but I didn't see anyone > mention the best source for TrackPoint caps: IBM Parts at > http://www.direct.ibm.com/parts/ or 1-800-388-7080. Part #84G6536 is a set > of two caps, which sells for $5 with free shipping. That's less than half > the price of another vendor I saw mentioned. Never knew about that option since both the IBM Techs and the ThinkPad Mobile Solutions Guide points to Comp-lock. Ofcourse I remember I saw that price somewhere over a year ago being mentioned. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 15:01:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA07598 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09909; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:59:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09681; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09661; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906251859.OAA09661@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (128.95.79.96 -> tokeru.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:59:04 -0400 Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Sat, 24 Jun 1989 11:56:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad" , "STeve Andre'" Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:59:11 +0000 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM 560X v. 560Z--which should I buy? (now memory caching revisited) List-Unsubscribe: This pretty much sums it up. If your OS is big enough that you are swapping heavily >from the start with 64 megs (NT, 9x) the more memory the better, because disk access is always really slow. If your OS runs well under 64 megs (warp, linux, dos, windows) it will depend on what you are doing, but for lightly loaded systems things will probably go just a bit faster with <=64 megs. On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:37:04 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >Sure, NT if it crawls into upper memory which is uncached is going to >run more slowly than if it was in cached memory, but once actual things >are being run, won't the fact that you aren't swapping as much more than >compensate for the OS running in slower memory? I have never run NT in >this kind of environment so I suppose I could be wrong--but all my >experience tells me that uncached memory is still a bargin (time wise) >compared to swapping, even with the OS stuck in that slower memory region. ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 22:00:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA10810 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27893; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:58:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27707; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from u1.farm.idt.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27694; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from u1.farm.idt.net (169.132.8.10 -> u1.farm.idt.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:58:17 -0400 Received: from think1 (ppp-3.ts-5-bay.hck.idt.net [169.132.56.195]) by u1.farm.idt.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id VAA07485 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:58:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "A Kumar" To: "List Thinkpad" Subject: RE: Trackpoint tip replacements? Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:58:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bebf77$5e137720$c33884a9@think1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM] > Sent: Friday, June 25, 1999 8:22 AM > To: Emanuel Brown > Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? > > > On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Emanuel Brown wrote: > > > On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:39:53 -0700 (PDT), Vincent Poy > > wrote: > > >Okay, just out of curiousity, I noticed everyone both on the list > > >and in private mentions Cat's tongue, what is that exactly? > > > > The rough textured trackpoints that your finger doesn't slip off of, > > like mine does with the smooth older ones. I have used both the old rubbery ones the new rough ones and I think that the old ones were much nicer on my finger. The new ones also wear down and get dirty much easier. Where can I get the older ones? And does anyone know any way to make the trackpoint more sensitive? Have the sensitive set to light touch and the windows speed to the highest but it still takes more effort move the cursor from edge to edge on my 600 then it did with my 750. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 22:45:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA11251 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29513; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:44:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29359; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29346; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (198.137.169.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:44:42 -0400 Received: by localhost.zydacron.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:41:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Bourdon, Bruce" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Washed-Out LCD Colors... Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:41:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: IBM ThinkPad-770, Linux (newbie) - redhat 5.2 ... When I start up X-Windows, there is no contrast. I have to look at the screen from the keyboard to read anything. I have tried hacking around with the clock frequencies in the CXF86Config file to no avail (though I did get 1024x768 working). Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks. Bruce. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 23:46:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA11791 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01662; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:45:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01505; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01492; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:45:02 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-347.gate.net [199.227.173.93]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA324984; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:46:44 -0400 Message-ID: <37744CAB.C3A545E4@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:44:43 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Michael Geary , Mark Andrew , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I once tried recoating the worn trackpoint tips with the same stuff as is used to coat the handles of tools.. (pliars, screwdrivers and the like).. it worked, but not so well.. insufficient non-skid properties.. i have not done it since, since i have sufficient spares to last into the next millenia.. :-) and after that... !! ?? Vincent Poy wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Michael Geary wrote: > > > > Does anyone know where I could get a couple new trackpoint III tips? > > > > You sure got a lot of replies to this question, but I didn't see anyone > > mention the best source for TrackPoint caps: IBM Parts at > > http://www.direct.ibm.com/parts/ or 1-800-388-7080. Part #84G6536 is a set > > of two caps, which sells for $5 with free shipping. That's less than half > > the price of another vendor I saw mentioned. > > Never knew about that option since both the IBM Techs and the > ThinkPad Mobile Solutions Guide points to Comp-lock. Ofcourse I remember > I saw that price somewhere over a year ago being mentioned. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 25 23:51:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA11828 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02088; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:50:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01947; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01934; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:50:05 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-347.gate.net [199.227.173.93]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA439246; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:51:59 -0400 Message-ID: <37744DE6.9A5A2A45@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:49:59 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM 560X v. 560Z--which should I buy? References: <3.0.6.32.19990625092700.008ef300@pilot.msu.edu> <3.0.6.32.19990625095703.008f5710@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I must add my 2 c. worth here... the P-II mobile modules have the BX chipset which caches all the memory that can be added.. the older thinkpads without the P-II can't, but if it has not yet been pointed out, more is better in memory, even uncached.. 'cuz it lowers the swap file size.. and diminishes swap file hits.. makes things faster and more power efficient, overall.. just my two-bits worth.. :-) STeve Andre' wrote: > Well, you've pointed out the condition where adding memory it isn't > needed will slow the system down. That makes sense, that your speech > recognition program would run slower out of non-chaced memory. > > However, add 5 more programs to the mixture and you'd see the opposite > results; any diminished swapping would be a large gain for you. > > But yes, you're right: for the condition of not swapping, adding memory > in an unchached region of address space is no win. However, how many > people encounter that? Certainly not the Windows world with ever > decreasing program efficiency in each succeeding generation. > > --STeve Andre' > andres@pilot.msu.edu > > At 09:45 AM 6/25/99 -0400, I Lee Hetherington wrote: > >When I had a 233MHz Pentium MMX 770, I measured speed with 64MB and with > >96MB. I measured the speed of our speech recognition system running in > >Linux. This program fit comfortably inside of 64MB. With 96MB, the > >system ran about 15% slower than with 64MB. > > > >Thus, if your OS tends to put your program above 64MB, and you do not > >really need more than 64MB, you will see some slow down with the > >"incredible design deficiency" of the common Intel chipsets that only > >cache 64MB. > > > >Of course, YMMV, but more memory will not always be a win. > > > >I was happy to switch to a Pentium II ThinkPad 600 and have all 288MB > >cached. > > > >--Lee > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 00:04:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA11893 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03001; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:03:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02834; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02821; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.106 -> pilot006.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:03:13 -0400 Received: from andres (port32.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.33]) by pilot006.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA21596 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:03:09 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990626000531.008f5c30@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:05:31 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Washed-Out LCD Colors... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Could it simply be the case that the wrong video driver is installed? Stupid question, I know. STeve Andre' >IBM ThinkPad-770, Linux (newbie) - redhat 5.2 ... > >When I start up X-Windows, there is no contrast. I have to look at the >screen from the keyboard to read anything. > >I have tried hacking around with the clock frequencies in the CXF86Config >file to no avail (though I did get 1024x768 working). > >Any ideas would be appreciated. > >Thanks. >Bruce. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 00:25:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA12071 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04175; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:23:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04016; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03986; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com (169.207.1.78 -> mailgw00.execpc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:23:47 -0400 Received: from pop00.execpc.com (pop00.execpc.com [169.207.1.114]) by mailgw00.execpc.com (8.9.1) id XAA02295; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:23:41 -0500 Received: from scd1 (kashyyyk-1-106.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.131.106]) by pop00.execpc.com (8.8.8) id XAA08045; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:23:39 -0500 Message-ID: <008401bebf8b$9661be20$6a83cfa9@scd1> From: "Steven Davis" To: "Michael Geary" , "Vincent Poy" , "Mark Andrew" Cc: Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:23:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: I didn't find any TP600 TrackPoint caps at the following URL, are they available from IBM online? > >Each set of two TrackPoint caps (part #84G6536) is $5 with free shipping: > >http://www.direct.ibm.com/parts/ or 1-800-388-7080 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 00:28:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA12102 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04554; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:27:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04407; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04394; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (206.127.32.35 -> tam.dorsai.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:27:01 -0400 Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (higgins@amanda.dorsai.org [206.127.32.130]) by tam.dorsai.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA00513 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:31:15 -0400 (EDT) From: John Higgins Received: (higgins@localhost) by amanda.dorsai.org (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA29858 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906260431.AAA29858@amanda.dorsai.org> Subject: TP 600/600E in stock? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad list) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:31:11 -0400 (edt) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: So my sister has me shop for a laptop for her, with essentially an unrestricted budget. I pick a 600E 300mhz 4gb that I find at Ecost for $2500. Today, a week after they told me they had this in stock, they've called my sisster to say they don't know when it'll be in stock. i say, oh well, no big bargains, I'll just get the thing for the $3k-$3.5k she was wiling to pop in the first place. But I've checked with 10 vendors and they don't have 60/60es of any kind in stock, with places like CDW telling me theyhave like, 1,200 units of one model on back order. So, any suggestions on where I go to get a unit immediately, as in, before she goes on vacation next week???? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John M. Higgins Broadcasting & Cable Magazine higgins@dorsai.org v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- \\ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 00:34:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA12137 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05086; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:33:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04912; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04899; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (130.63.236.128 -> sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:32:58 -0400 Received: from yorku.ca (bombay04.slip.yorku.ca [130.63.186.217]) by sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (8.8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id AAA16569 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <377457C4.77DA0E4@yorku.ca> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:32:05 -0400 From: Amy Godden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Subject: problems with battery on 1411i Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I recently purchased an IBM thinkpad 1411i. When I first purchased the computer I charged the battery and discharged it 4 or 5 times to start it. The problem that I have noticed is the computer doesn't warn me when the battery power gets low. I have tryed changing the settings to notify me at different times (25%, 15%). Yet the computer doesn't send me any warnings or notices until it shuts down (at around 2%). If anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate hearing from them. Amy From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 01:10:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA12309 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06352; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:08:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06185; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06171; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:08:41 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg135-080.ricochet.net [204.179.135.80]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA17443; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:08:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Steven Davis" , "Vincent Poy" , "Mark Andrew" Cc: Subject: RE: Trackpoint tip replacements? Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:08:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bebf91$e5e0a320$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <008401bebf8b$9661be20$6a83cfa9@scd1> List-Unsubscribe: > >Each set of two TrackPoint caps (part #84G6536) is $5 with free shipping: > > > >http://www.direct.ibm.com/parts/ or 1-800-388-7080 > I didn't find any TP600 TrackPoint caps at the following URL, are they > available from IBM online? Oops! I messed up the URL. Take out the trailing slash: http://www.direct.ibm.com/parts That will work better! Sorry about the mixup. -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://dmoz.org/Computers/Hardware/Notebooks_and_Laptops/Makes_and_Models/IB M/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 01:44:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA12481 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07472; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:43:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07371; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07357; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:43:45 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-347.gate.net [199.227.173.93]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA75350; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:45:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3774688A.F2EA46FA@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:43:38 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Higgins CC: Thinkpad list Subject: Re: TP 600/600E in stock? References: <199906260431.AAA29858@amanda.dorsai.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John.. welcome to the new world of E-commerace.. phantom merchandise, non-delivery of a confirmed order and so forth.. responses like "What?? WE sold YOU a ThinkPad??!!, please, don't call us, we'll call you" or "Well the price is $2500, the shipping is $125, the payment processing fee is $90 and handling is $50" want to hear more?, just ask.. :-) i have not looked for a 600E for a while, so i'm not "up" on the availability today.. but these anbd the 570 have been highly constrained.. John Higgins wrote: > So my sister has me shop for a laptop for her, with essentially an > unrestricted budget. I pick a 600E 300mhz 4gb that I find at Ecost for > $2500. Today, a week after they told me they had this in stock, they've > called my sisster to say they don't know when it'll be in stock. i say, oh > well, no big bargains, I'll just get the thing for the $3k-$3.5k she was > wiling to pop in the first place. But I've checked with 10 vendors and > they don't have 60/60es of any kind in stock, with places like CDW telling > me theyhave like, 1,200 units of one model on back order. So, any > suggestions on where I go to get a unit immediately, as in, before she > goes on vacation next week???? > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > John M. Higgins > Broadcasting & Cable Magazine > higgins@dorsai.org > v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > \\ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 02:00:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA12690 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08410; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:59:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08231; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08217; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:58:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28745; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:58:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:58:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Michael Geary , Mark Andrew , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? In-Reply-To: <37744CAB.C3A545E4@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > I once tried recoating the worn trackpoint tips with the same stuff as is used > to coat the handles of tools.. (pliars, screwdrivers and the like).. > it worked, but not so well.. insufficient non-skid properties.. > i have not done it since, since i have sufficient spares to last into the next > millenia.. :-) > and after that... !! ?? Hmmm, what kinda coating do they use to coat handles of tools? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 02:02:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA12697 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08817; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:00:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08463; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08450; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:00:12 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-197.islandnet.com [139.142.112.197] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10xlVX-000WSGC for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:00:07 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Dock ii locked Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:43:52 -0700 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: Lines: 27 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: A while ago I purchased a dock ii from somebody on this list, claimed as complete, but it was missing the ide drive cable. I paid an ample price for the unit, and never got satisfaction >from the seller for the missing part, but life goes on. The ide cable is worth about $40 new from IBM, which is about the price of an entire dock ii on the open market. Eventually I bought another dock ii (having found a friend with a dock ii compatible computer who wasn't interested in the ide cable), advertised on ebay as brand new, open box, but this was missing the keys. Keys wouldn't concern me very much, but the unit came shipped in locked position (lock 1 if it makes any difference) and therefore appears unusable. There is no sign of the three-digit key number anywhere. I salvaged the special ide drive cable, but is there anything I can do to get the dock ii working? Do I bring it to a locksmith? -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 02:20:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA12755 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09827; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:19:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09658; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09644; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:18:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28816; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:18:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:18:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Geary cc: Steven Davis , Mark Andrew , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Trackpoint tip replacements? In-Reply-To: <000001bebf91$e5e0a320$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Michael Geary wrote: > > >Each set of two TrackPoint caps (part #84G6536) is $5 with free shipping: > > > > > >http://www.direct.ibm.com/parts/ or 1-800-388-7080 > > > I didn't find any TP600 TrackPoint caps at the following URL, are they > > available from IBM online? > > Oops! I messed up the URL. Take out the trailing slash: > > http://www.direct.ibm.com/parts > > That will work better! Sorry about the mixup. That's weird. The trailing slash shouldn't make a difference. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 07:13:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA13650 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26789; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:11:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26414; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from centralnet.ch (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26373; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from centralnet.ch (193.135.146.10 -> centralnet.ch) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:11:50 -0400 Received: from centralnet.ch (luz182.centralnet.ch [193.135.147.182] (may be forged)) by centralnet.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA236698 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:10:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <37750A0C.9B19F7F9@centralnet.ch> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:12:44 -0400 From: hkatz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpadgrp Subject: streaks on screen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My TP770E gets white horizontal lines across the screen. They don't always appear in same place but I almost always get some at the top part of the screen. Has anyone had similar problems and is it something that can be fixed? The machine is only 3 ms old and under 3 yr IBM warranty. Thanks for any advice. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 11:50:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14897 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04824; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:48:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04553; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh02.softhouse.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04527; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh02.softhouse.com (198.110.248.4 -> sh02.softhouse.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:48:40 -0400 Received: from markspc (dialup032.softhouse.com [207.74.44.32]) by sh02.softhouse.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA09380 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:48:35 -0400 From: "Mark Andrew" To: Subject: RE: Trackpoint tip replacements? Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:49:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001801bebfeb$704bfb00$2e2c4acf@markspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: IBM no longer sells the caps, you must go to the supplier that sells them 4 for $15 plus shipping. I only want 1, and really don't require it, so $21 bucks is a bit much. Anyone who wants a new red cap can email me, arrange to send $6, and I'll put in an order as soon as I get three takers. Mark Holland, MI From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 12:19:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15058 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06387; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:17:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06140; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06126; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:17:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA06598 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:17:40 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:17:40 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Trackpoint tip replacements? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Michael Geary wrote: > > > >http://www.direct.ibm.com/parts/ or 1-800-388-7080 > > > > > I didn't find any TP600 TrackPoint caps at the following URL, are they > > > available from IBM online? > > > > Oops! I messed up the URL. Take out the trailing slash: > > > > http://www.direct.ibm.com/parts > > > > That will work better! Sorry about the mixup. > > That's weird. The trailing slash shouldn't make a difference. Trailing slash specifically looks for a directory. Lack of a slash can be a directory or a file or (what I suspect is going on here) some sort of internal web server redirection. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 12:33:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15119 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07279; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:32:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07111; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07098; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:32:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.7 -> dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:32:34 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA08974; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:32:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alb-ny6-43.ix.netcom.com(198.211.83.107) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008928; Sat Jun 26 11:31:53 1999 Message-ID: <3774FF81.69FA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:27:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Andrew CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? References: <001801bebfeb$704bfb00$2e2c4acf@markspc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mark Andrew wrote: > > IBM no longer sells the caps, you must go to the supplier that sells them 4 > for $15 plus shipping. > > I only want 1, and really don't require it, so $21 bucks is a bit much. > > Anyone who wants a new red cap can email me, arrange to send $6, and I'll > put in an order as soon as I get three takers. > > Mark > Holland, MI it's much cheaper on Ebay! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 12:54:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15293 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08154; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:52:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07975; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07962; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (206.127.32.35 -> tam.dorsai.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:52:41 -0400 Received: from dorsai.org (ip114-ts2.dyn.ppp.dorsai.org [206.127.34.114]) by tam.dorsai.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA13041 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37750575.FDF8D70A@dorsai.org> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:53:09 -0400 From: charles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 750 questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: hello all i have just inherited a 750 and it is the perfect thing for my son to do his homework on etc. it has the stock 340 meg hd and has 20 megs ram it WAS working properly, that is until an external mouse was plugged in the side and then 'accidentally' pulled out of the socket while the thinkpad was on. now, my trackpoint only has horizontal capabilities, the vertical does not work i get an error 8611 all diagnostics state that the machine is OK. in fact, an external ps/2 mouse works flawlessly. i have tried initializing the bios etc etc etc i am perplexed. does anyone have an idea as to what might need checking as the machine is on the old side. is it possible that the transposer card could have gotten ruined when the mouse was pulled out? also....does anyone know of a source for a IDE cable for the dock II ? >from what i can .tell, it is not standard. thanks in advance charles From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 13:19:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA15423 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09220; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:16:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09054; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Viola.Opus1.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09039; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Viola.Opus1.COM (192.245.12.8 -> Viola.Opus1.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:16:21 -0400 Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.2-31 #9830) id <01JCUOXLUH8G9NFXDN@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:16:18 MST Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:06:54 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: 750 questions In-reply-to: "Your message dated Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:53:09 -0400" <37750575.FDF8D70A@dorsai.org> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01JCUPBWCU6W9NFXDN@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: List-Unsubscribe: charles writes - > now, my trackpoint only has horizontal capabilities, the vertical does not > work i get an error 8611 This is a pointing device error when the Trackpoint II is enabled. The maintenance manual says to reseat the Trackpoint II cable at the interposer card, then to try a new keyboard, then a new external mouse and finally the system board. The TP II cable is the left-most of the three you'll see after taking the top cover (above the keyboard, between it and the hinge for opening up the notebook) off. These are latching connectors (just to the right and left) - the latches must be released to reseat the cables... Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 14:30:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15778 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11112; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:29:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10933; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10920; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:29:14 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-431.gate.net [199.227.131.240]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA72438; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:31:07 -0400 Message-ID: <37751BF1.3956856F@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:29:05 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hkatz CC: thinkpadgrp Subject: Re: streaks on screen References: <37750A0C.9B19F7F9@centralnet.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: try pressing (not too hard) around the perhiphery of the top lid (not on the display itself!) and see if anything changes.. also, be sure that some misbehaved application has not corrupted your video drivers.. i have seen some really spectaculer displays of color and strange behaviour when win9x or some app. is crashing.. brilliant colors fading into one another than BLAT! a simple re-boot clears the problem.. seperate this between hardware failure or software failure.. in the end, ez serve is there to fix it if its hardware... hkatz wrote: > My TP770E gets white horizontal lines across the screen. They don't > always appear in same place but I almost always get some at the top part > of the screen. Has anyone had similar problems and is it something that > can be fixed? The machine is only 3 ms old and under 3 yr IBM warranty. > Thanks for any advice. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 16:07:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16228 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13882; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:06:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13714; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13701; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (207.69.200.31 -> smtp1.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:05:57 -0400 Received: from thinkpad1721i (user-33qt89k.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.161.52]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA09664 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009e01bec00f$3ff02de0$34a1aec7@thinkpad1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: References: <199906251523.LAA21400@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Tape Backup for TP Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:05:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: How can I back up my TP's hard disk to tape and be able to restore the entire drive in the event of a disk crash? I would prefer something with an EIDE interface, but these are all internal units. Wouldn't this require a PCMCIA to EIDE card? Does such a thing exist? And what about the power? External tape backup units typically have parallel ports, which I really don't want to use because of the speed. And where are the USB tape backup devices? Aren't they faster than parallel port? Also, I not particularly interested in taking selected backups to a Zip drive or any other solution which does not allow me completely recover the C: drive without first re-installing Win95. Could a docking station help? The only thing that I can find for the i1721 is a port replicator. By way of comparison, I am using an EIDE internal tape drive on my desktop. In the event my C: drive fails, I can replace the drive, then boot up from a floppy under DOS, and using BackupExec software, restore my c: drive without first installing Win95. I'd like to be able to do this on my TP as well. Thanks, Chuck From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 16:32:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16368 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15016; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:30:54 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14833; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:30:52 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id QAA06958 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08827; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:06:44 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26728.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.209]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA08007; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <031901bebff6$d528bf30$d156e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: "Jonathan Berry" , Subject: Re: Dock ii locked Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:10:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0316_01BEBFD5.4DADAF00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0316_01BEBFD5.4DADAF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jonathan, If you remove the cover at the back of the unit (the one that covers the = ISA slots), and remove any ISA cards that may be installed, you will be = able to see the screw that holds the whole lock assembly together. It is = a big screw and there is enough of an angle that -- with a little luck = and a lot of patience --may enable you to loosen it using a long = screwdriver. >From time to time, I advertise Dock II's for auction in here. Since you = didn't mention the name of your source, I would like to say that when i = first started selling these units, I got top dollars for them. However, = I was unaware that they were missing their IDE cables. But I supplied = every single buyer with an IDE cable afterwards. This was done on my own = initiative and not as a result of anyone requesting it. As a matter of = fact, I detected the missing cable when most of teh units were still in = transit and hadn't been delivered yet. I informed everyone of the = missing cable and I took immediate steps to remedy the situation. When i = sell a unit without keys, I always check that it is not in the locked = position. Obviously, I am not the person you are referring to and I felt = the need to express this so no one would even wonder if I was the one = you bought these units from. Although I do have a few brand new units (missing nothing), I have far = more used ones (in excellent condition) which are missing the IDE cable. = However, when i auction them, I state that these units are "SCSI only". = Considering the cost of the IDE cable, i no longer expect top dollars = for the refurbished units. At the moment, I have a few of these units at = eBay with a starting price of $1.00. 3 of them are still at $1.00 and = one is at $5.50 (ending today). I usually sel them for between $18 and = $25. In the recent past, I was getting over $50 for them. I still see = unsuspecting buyers paying that much for units that I am convinced have = no IDE cable. It is quite common for it to be missing on used units = because the cable is not delivered installed. It is packaged along with = the manual and diskettes. So, when you see a unit advertised as "no = manual, no software", chances are it should also say "no IDE cable". Regards, Carlos de la Puente eBay id: myeyesaintblue -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Berry To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, June 26, 1999 1:43 AM Subject: Dock ii locked =20 =20 A while ago I purchased a dock ii from somebody on this list, claimed as complete, but it was missing the ide drive cable. I paid an ample price for the unit, and never got satisfaction from the seller for the missing part, but life goes on. =20 The ide cable is worth about $40 new from IBM, which is about the price of an entire dock ii on the open market. =20 Eventually I bought another dock ii (having found a friend with a dock ii compatible computer who wasn't interested in the ide = cable), advertised on ebay as brand new, open box, but this was missing the keys. Keys wouldn't concern me very much, but the unit came shipped in locked position (lock 1 if it makes any difference) and therefore appears unusable. =20 There is no sign of the three-digit key number anywhere. =20 I salvaged the special ide drive cable, but is there anything I can do to get the dock ii working? Do I bring it to a locksmith? =20 =20 =20 -- cheers Jonathan =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0316_01BEBFD5.4DADAF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jonathan,
 
If you remove the cover at the back of the unit (the = one that=20 covers the ISA slots), and remove any ISA cards that may be installed, = you will=20 be able to see the screw that holds the whole lock assembly together. It = is a=20 big screw and there is enough of an angle that -- with a little luck and = a lot=20 of patience --may enable you to loosen it using a long = screwdriver.
 
From time to time, I advertise Dock II's for auction = in here.=20 Since you didn't mention the name of your source, I would like to say = that when=20 i first started selling these units, I got top dollars for them. = However, I was=20 unaware that they were missing their IDE cables. But I supplied every = single=20 buyer with an IDE cable afterwards. This was done on my own initiative = and not=20 as a result of anyone requesting it. As a matter of fact, I detected the = missing=20 cable when most of teh units were still in transit and hadn't been = delivered=20 yet. I informed everyone of the missing cable and I took immediate steps = to=20 remedy the situation. When i sell a unit without keys, I always check = that it is=20 not in the locked position. Obviously, I am not the person you are = referring to=20 and I felt the need to express this so no one would even wonder if I was = the one=20 you bought these units from.
 
Although I do have a few brand new units (missing = nothing), I=20 have far more used ones (in excellent condition) which are missing the = IDE=20 cable. However, when i auction them, I state that these units are = "SCSI=20 only". Considering the cost of the IDE cable, i no longer expect = top=20 dollars for the refurbished units. At the moment, I have a few of these = units at=20 eBay with a starting price of $1.00. 3 of them are still at $1.00 and = one is at=20 $5.50 (ending today). I usually sel them for between $18 and $25. In the = recent=20 past, I was getting over $50 for them. I still see unsuspecting buyers = paying=20 that much for units that I am convinced have no IDE cable. It is quite = common=20 for it to be missing on used units because the cable is not delivered = installed.=20 It is packaged along with the manual and diskettes. So, when you see a = unit=20 advertised as "no manual, no software", chances are it should = also say=20 "no IDE cable".
 
Regards,
Carlos de la Puente
eBay id: myeyesaintblue
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Jonathan Berry <jberry@islandnet.com>
T= o:=20 thinkpad@cs.utk.edu = <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Dat= e:=20 Saturday, June 26, 1999 1:43 AM
Subject: Dock ii=20 locked

A while ago I purchased a dock ii from = somebody=20 on this list,
claimed as complete, but it was missing the ide = drive=20 cable.  I
paid an ample price for the unit, and never got=20 satisfaction
from the seller for the missing part, but life goes=20 on.

The ide cable is worth about $40 new from IBM, which is = about=20 the
price of an entire dock ii on the open = market.

Eventually I=20 bought another dock ii (having found a friend with
a dock ii = compatible=20 computer who wasn't interested in the ide cable),
advertised on = ebay as=20 brand new, open box, but this was missing the
keys.  Keys = wouldn't=20 concern me very much, but the unit came
shipped in locked = position (lock=20 1 if it makes any difference)
and therefore appears=20 unusable.

There is no sign of the three-digit key number=20 anywhere.

I salvaged the special ide drive cable, but is = there=20 anything I
can do to get the dock ii working?  Do I bring it = to=20 = a
locksmith?



--
cheers
Jonathan

------=_NextPart_000_0316_01BEBFD5.4DADAF00-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 17:04:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA16487 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16027; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:03:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15905; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15888; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (200.0.213.47) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:02:55 -0400 Received: from pcleandro ([200.0.213.36]) by dialup.com.ar (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA32375; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:01:48 -0300 From: "Leandro Rzezak" To: "hkatz" , "thinkpadgrp" Subject: RE: streaks on screen Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:05:16 -0300 Message-ID: <001001bec017$9731d9c0$0a01a8c0@pcleandro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37750A0C.9B19F7F9@centralnet.ch> List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id RAA16027 Some times I have the same problem. I'm running NT4.0 WS on a TP770ED 3ms old too. Some times while working, the screen turns white with black vertical line= s. As I can't replicate the problem IBM didn't give me any answer. But, I don't blame IBM because I have had the same problem once on an NT4= 0WS running on a clone PC in my company. If you have some lead, please tellme! Leandro > -----Original Message----- > From: hkatz [mailto:hkatz@centralnet.ch] > Sent: S=E1bado 26 de Junio de 1999 14:13 > To: thinkpadgrp > Subject: streaks on screen > > > My TP770E gets white horizontal lines across the screen. They don't > always appear in same place but I almost always get some at the top par= t > of the screen. Has anyone had similar problems and is it something that > can be fixed? The machine is only 3 ms old and under 3 yr IBM warranty. > Thanks for any advice. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 17:06:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA16501 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16477; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:04:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16240; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16208; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (24.2.1.66 -> ha1.rdc1.il.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:04:45 -0400 Received: from home.com ([24.2.240.166]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990626210443.RXMZ8809.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@home.com> for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:04:43 -0700 Message-ID: <377540AD.EBE5F519@home.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:05:49 -0500 From: Jim Schneider X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Tape Backup for TP References: <199906251523.LAA21400@CS.UTK.EDU> <009e01bec00f$3ff02de0$34a1aec7@thinkpad1721i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If parallel is out, then a PCMCIA SCSI and an external SCSI Tape unit works well. I have done it this way with both Win95 using Novaback and OS/2 using Back Again/2 Pro. "Chuck S." wrote: > How can I back up my TP's hard disk to tape and be able to restore the > entire drive in the event of a disk crash? I would prefer something with an > EIDE interface, but these are all internal units. Wouldn't this require a > PCMCIA to EIDE card? Does such a thing exist? And what about the power? > External tape backup units typically have parallel ports, which I really > don't want to use because of the speed. And where are the USB tape backup > devices? Aren't they faster than parallel port? > > Also, I not particularly interested in taking selected backups to a Zip > drive or any other solution which does not allow me completely recover the > C: drive without first re-installing Win95. > > Could a docking station help? The only thing that I can find for the i1721 > is a port replicator. > > By way of comparison, I am using an EIDE internal tape drive on my desktop. > In the event my C: drive fails, I can replace the drive, then boot up from a > floppy under DOS, and using BackupExec software, restore my c: drive without > first installing Win95. I'd like to be able to do this on my TP as well. > > Thanks, > Chuck From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 17:08:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA16514 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16890; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:07:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16664; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16632; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (200.0.213.47) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:07:18 -0400 Received: from pcleandro ([200.0.213.36]) by dialup.com.ar (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA32404 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:06:23 -0300 From: "Leandro Rzezak" To: Subject: Zone 4 DVD MPEG disk Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:09:51 -0300 Message-ID: <001101bec018$3b027f00$0a01a8c0@pcleandro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <009e01bec00f$3ff02de0$34a1aec7@thinkpad1721i> List-Unsubscribe: I'm having this problem: I've bougth the TP in the US, and I got the zone 1 mpeg disk. Unfortunately in my country we have zone 4 and blockbuster rents zone 4 dvd's. Does someone know how or where can i get it? Thank you in advance, Leandro. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 18:14:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01631 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18778; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:12:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18600; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18587; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:12:16 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-153.gate.net [199.227.20.216]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA302212; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:13:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3775501C.B6742693@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:11:40 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leandro Rzezak CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Zone 4 DVD MPEG disk References: <001101bec018$3b027f00$0a01a8c0@pcleandro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: there is/are a small utility that will change the region.. i have a copy of one, someplace here, but i have never used it.. :-) other versions of the same thing should be around..! Leandro Rzezak wrote: > I'm having this problem: I've bougth the TP in the US, and I got the zone 1 > mpeg disk. > Unfortunately in my country we have zone 4 and blockbuster rents zone 4 > dvd's. > > Does someone know how or where can i get it? > > Thank you in advance, > > Leandro. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 18:16:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01652 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19071; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:15:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18915; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18902; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:14:58 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-153.gate.net [199.227.20.216]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA72370; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:16:51 -0400 Message-ID: <377550DA.F292CE87@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:14:50 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: charles CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750 questions References: <37750575.FDF8D70A@dorsai.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Charles... charles wrote: > hello all > i have just inherited a 750 and it is the perfect thing for my son to do his homework on etc. > > it has the stock 340 meg hd and has 20 megs ram > > it WAS working properly, that is until an external mouse was plugged in the side and then > 'accidentally' pulled out of the socket while the thinkpad was on. > > now, my trackpoint only has horizontal capabilities, the vertical does not work > i get an error 8611 > all diagnostics state that the machine is OK. in fact, an external ps/2 mouse works flawlessly. > i have tried initializing the bios etc etc etc > > i am perplexed. does anyone have an idea as to what might need checking as the machine is on the > old side. is it possible that the transposer card could have gotten ruined when the mouse was > pulled out? > try re initialize in ez setup..but it sure sounds like something get fried in the incident, as unlikely as it might be.. > also....does anyone know of a source for a IDE cable for the dock II ? > from what i can .tell, it is not standard. > > thanks in advance > > charles -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 18:19:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01659 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19532; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:18:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19383; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19328; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.116 -> pilot016.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:18:27 -0400 Received: from andres (port33.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.34]) by pilot016.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA44440 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:18:22 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990626182042.008ec650@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:20:42 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Zone 4 DVD MPEG disk In-Reply-To: <3775501C.B6742693@icanect.net> References: <001101bec018$3b027f00$0a01a8c0@pcleandro> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Along these lines, is there a region which means "any region" such that you don't have to worry about this any more? Or must one always keep track of it if one travels around? I'm going to have to be dealing with this later this year for some of my users. If someone can post where to get the change utility (and documentation about this in general) it would be appreciated! Thanks, STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 06:11 PM 6/26/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >there is/are a small utility that will change the region.. >i have a copy of one, someplace here, but i have never used it.. :-) > >other versions of the same thing should be around..! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 26 22:07:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA02295 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25227; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:05:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25012; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24999; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (200.0.213.47) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:04:57 -0400 Received: from pcleandro ([200.0.213.38]) by dialup.com.ar (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA00537; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:04:04 -0300 From: "Leandro Rzezak" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: Subject: RE: Zone 4 DVD MPEG disk Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:07:28 -0300 Message-ID: <000801bec041$ce693080$0a01a8c0@pcleandro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3775501C.B6742693@icanect.net> List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id WAA25227 I've tested some zone changers, but didn't work with softdvd... :( If someone has the zone4 disk, please tellme. If someone need the zone1 disk, I have it for you. Thank you all! > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@icanect.net] > Sent: S=E1bado 26 de Junio de 1999 19:12 > To: Leandro Rzezak > Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Zone 4 DVD MPEG disk > > > there is/are a small utility that will change the region.. > i have a copy of one, someplace here, but i have never used it.. :-) > > other versions of the same thing should be around..! > > Leandro Rzezak wrote: > > > I'm having this problem: I've bougth the TP in the US, and I > got the zone 1 > > mpeg disk. > > Unfortunately in my country we have zone 4 and blockbuster rents zone= 4 > > dvd's. > > > > Does someone know how or where can i get it? > > > > Thank you in advance, > > > > Leandro. > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your > mileage will vary, > Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 27 07:42:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA04814 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18258; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:40:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18067; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18054; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:40:36 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pC19F7A46.dip.t-online.de [193.159.122.70]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id NPTYF7FP; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:37:15 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Leandro Rzezak" , , Subject: RE: Zone 4 DVD MPEG disk Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:39:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <001101bec018$3b027f00$0a01a8c0@pcleandro> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi, You can use a utility I found on the net that will work with SoftDVD (and I also think DVDExpress) that will change the region that the TP software can read without a problem. If you switch regions, you must shut down the software being used and run the region changing program and then start the DVD software again. That's the only hitch. I have been using it (very) successfully with region 1, 2, & 4 DVDs. I wish IBM hadn't put this limitation on their laptops - especially seeing as they are meant to be used internationally (that's why I bought mine). Anyway, here is the link: http://www.codefreedvd.com/dvd_dvdrom.htm Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Leandro Rzezak [mailto:leandror@emk.com.ar] > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 1999 5:10 PM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Zone 4 DVD MPEG disk > > > I'm having this problem: I've bougth the TP in the US, and I got > the zone 1 > mpeg disk. > Unfortunately in my country we have zone 4 and blockbuster rents zone 4 > dvd's. > > Does someone know how or where can i get it? > > Thank you in advance, > > Leandro. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 27 07:48:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA04829 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18774; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:47:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18522; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamgaac.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18509; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spamgaac.compuserve.com (149.174.217.146 -> as-img-3.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:46:59 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.1) id HAA22569 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:46:26 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Installing New HDD woes Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <199906270746_MC2-7AEE-284C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: I am going through the painful process of upgrading my HDD on my TPad 755= CX I have acquired both a WD 540Mb (for extra B/up) and a Hitachi 2.1Gb HDD = to replace the standard 810Mb HDD. The 540Mb will whirr up but needs formatting (more later) but the 2.1Gb returns BIOS error codes 174 and if pressed to coninue, 301 00301 00174 The chap I bought the 2.1Gb from said he had formatted it and left the W9= 5 CABs on it (at my request) to aid setup... I have tried to access the BIOS from startup (F1 on power) but cannot get= into it. I have tried placing a W95 created start disk in the floppy but this will not help either...? Anyone know what the problem is?? Also, attempting to format the 540Mb from a W95 created emergency startup= disk... returns 'Incorrect DOS version' Does this mean I have to set it up from a DOS 6.22 disk?? Also, while we are at it, what commands to format a new HDD?? Any further advice much appreciated... Thanks From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 27 16:24:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA02684 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03360; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:22:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03234; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03221; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:22:17 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.53.158]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990627202215.CSPV1709@770>; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 20:22:15 +0000 Message-ID: <377687CC.4BE1@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:21:32 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: vrondi@nettaxi.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Installing New HDD woes References: <199906271511.LAA22602@CS.UTK.EDU> <3776623B.EC79A120@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have had a second HDD running in a 755CD and a 755CDV. But, only in W95, unless you got some DOS level drivers. Bill Morrow wrote: > > the 755 series does not SUPPORT a second HDD in the floppy bay (the 755CX has > no internal CD capability) > you CAN add a second, external HDD of most any type to the PCMCIA port or the > parallel port.. > if i were doing it, i would add a thinkpad type drive to the PCMCIA slot.. > then i can swap it into or out of the 755 machine.. > > NOTE: i have heard of ONE PERSON who sdaid he had a 2nd HDD running in the > floppy port, but i think it was on a 755CD but i don't recall exactly.. > he also said it was not entirely reliable in reading and writing correctly.. > > Vrondi wrote: > > > From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> > > > I am going through the painful process of upgrading my HDD on my TPad > > > 755CX > > > > > > I have acquired both a WD 540Mb (for extra B/up) and a Hitachi 2.1Gb HDD > > > to replace the standard 810Mb HDD. > > > > I have a stupid, barely related question. Where do you put the > > second hard drive? Where the cd/floopy normally might be? > > > > //Chrys Amy Dean | Vrondi on EFNET IRC > > "I used to walk to school with my nose buried in a book." > > ~ Coolio ~ > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 27 16:47:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA03121 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04408; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:46:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04237; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04224; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:46:20 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.53.158]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990627204617.DEOY1709@770>; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 20:46:17 +0000 Message-ID: <37768D6F.56A1@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:45:35 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow , vrondi@nettaxi.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Installing New HDD woes References: <199906271511.LAA22602@CS.UTK.EDU> <3776623B.EC79A120@icanect.net> <377687CC.4BE1@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: EXP (www.expnet.com) is selling the 1.4 GIG PCMCIAHD traveler for $99.00 It is plug and play on a 755CD in W95. (also works on 760 and 770 series, but some 75X series do not have enough power in the PCMCIA port to power some devices like this directly). Caution - do not install the enclosed drivers. Go to the website and download the newer drivers, then it will work plug and play! Of course, it will not work in DOS unless you go through the entire PCMCIA socket thing, not really worth it! Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > I have had a second HDD running in a 755CD and a 755CDV. But, only in > W95, unless you got some DOS level drivers. > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > the 755 series does not SUPPORT a second HDD in the floppy bay (the 755CX has > > no internal CD capability) > > you CAN add a second, external HDD of most any type to the PCMCIA port or the > > parallel port.. > > if i were doing it, i would add a thinkpad type drive to the PCMCIA slot.. > > then i can swap it into or out of the 755 machine.. > > > > NOTE: i have heard of ONE PERSON who sdaid he had a 2nd HDD running in the > > floppy port, but i think it was on a 755CD but i don't recall exactly.. > > he also said it was not entirely reliable in reading and writing correctly.. > > > > Vrondi wrote: > > > > > From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> > > > > I am going through the painful process of upgrading my HDD on my TPad > > > > 755CX > > > > > > > > I have acquired both a WD 540Mb (for extra B/up) and a Hitachi 2.1Gb HDD > > > > to replace the standard 810Mb HDD. > > > > > > I have a stupid, barely related question. Where do you put the > > > second hard drive? Where the cd/floopy normally might be? > > > > > > //Chrys Amy Dean | Vrondi on EFNET IRC > > > "I used to walk to school with my nose buried in a book." > > > ~ Coolio ~ > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > > Done on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 27 16:55:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA03170 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28299; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:41:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28093; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28080; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:41:22 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-118.gate.net [199.227.20.181]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA108454; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:43:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3776623B.EC79A120@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:41:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vrondi@nettaxi.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Installing New HDD woes References: <199906271511.LAA22602@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the 755 series does not SUPPORT a second HDD in the floppy bay (the 755CX has no internal CD capability) you CAN add a second, external HDD of most any type to the PCMCIA port or the parallel port.. if i were doing it, i would add a thinkpad type drive to the PCMCIA slot.. then i can swap it into or out of the 755 machine.. NOTE: i have heard of ONE PERSON who sdaid he had a 2nd HDD running in the floppy port, but i think it was on a 755CD but i don't recall exactly.. he also said it was not entirely reliable in reading and writing correctly.. Vrondi wrote: > From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> > > I am going through the painful process of upgrading my HDD on my TPad > > 755CX > > > > I have acquired both a WD 540Mb (for extra B/up) and a Hitachi 2.1Gb HDD > > to replace the standard 810Mb HDD. > > I have a stupid, barely related question. Where do you put the > second hard drive? Where the cd/floopy normally might be? > > //Chrys Amy Dean | Vrondi on EFNET IRC > "I used to walk to school with my nose buried in a book." > ~ Coolio ~ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 27 16:55:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA03172 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26439; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:58:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26209; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26192; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:58:49 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26728.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.209]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA09593 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00da01bec0be$e8c73080$d156e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Problem with SCSI on Dock II Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:02:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D7_01BEC09D.616DB210" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D7_01BEC09D.616DB210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On the first attempt to use a ThinkPad on a Dock II, a message saying = that "there is no Future Domain TMC-950" appears, however, the Dock II = has an Adaptec 1520 chipset (according to IBM's Web site). 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------=_NextPart_000_00D7_01BEC09D.616DB210-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 27 16:55:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA03180 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27901; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:37:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27698; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27685; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:37:52 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-118.gate.net [199.227.20.181]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA175632; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:39:45 -0400 Message-ID: <37766167.72F26590@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:37:43 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: Installing New HDD woes References: <199906270746_MC2-7AEE-284C@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mark.. 1. i hope you did not pay too much.. 2. its most likely the addressing on the brand-x drive.. 3. Run "FDISK" from a DOS boot diskette to see if the drive is set up.. just check, don;t start anything.. 4. if you had purchased a drive from me, it would have been set up to work first time.. (i just must mention that, sorry) 5. if you're trying to reuse the original HDD shell from the 755, the brand-x drive won't work in it without some surgery.. easiest is to throw brand-x out and buy a good IBM drive.. :-), next is to cut the pins that are set off by themselves off (but that voids any possibility of a warranty and the like), lastly is to cut the traces on the cable/plug assembly which will have the net effect of isolating those four pins which are seperated from the rest of the 44 IDE pins.. (NOTE: this is what i would recommend for an IBM drive, the brand-x drive is an unknown quantity, so proceed at your own risk) the WD disk needs ot be cleaned off, then start from a know place.. yes, you can try DOS 6.2 or whatever is available, but a better method is delete the partition table and start fresh... (i have a very dangerous utility i keep on a floppy that will do this) don't know why you can't get into ezsetup, try removing the drive and try again.. unless you saved at least $100 from my exorbitant prices, you're loosing $$ by wasting precious time.. remember, all newer IDE drives are the same (or should be) and everything changed a year or so after the 755CX was put out to pasture by IBM.. want more help, call me... i'll TRY to get things set up for you.. Mark Gardiner wrote: > I am going through the painful process of upgrading my HDD on my TPad 755CX > > I have acquired both a WD 540Mb (for extra B/up) and a Hitachi 2.1Gb HDD to > replace the standard 810Mb HDD. > > The 540Mb will whirr up but needs formatting (more later) but the 2.1Gb > returns BIOS error codes 174 and if pressed to coninue, 301 > > 00301 > 00174 > > The chap I bought the 2.1Gb from said he had formatted it and left the W95 > CABs on it (at my request) to aid setup... > > I have tried to access the BIOS from startup (F1 on power) but cannot get > into it. I have tried placing a W95 created start disk in the floppy but > this will not help either...? Anyone know what the problem is?? > > Also, attempting to format the 540Mb from a W95 created emergency startup > disk... returns 'Incorrect DOS version' > > Does this mean I have to set it up from a DOS 6.22 disk?? > > Also, while we are at it, what commands to format a new HDD?? > > Any further advice much appreciated... > > Thanks -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 27 16:55:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA03176 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29048; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:52:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28901; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28870; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:52:05 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-118.gate.net [199.227.20.181]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA244830; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:53:45 -0400 Message-ID: <377664A9.7BA03B91@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:51:37 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steven N. Fettig" CC: Leandro Rzezak , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, andres@pilot.msu.edu Subject: Re: Zone 4 DVD MPEG disk References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steven.. THANK YOU for that link.. i'll try to hang it on my web site for all to take advantage of.. (now it the time to hit the delete key!!!) NOTE: it was NOT big blue, it is the hollywood guys.. them fellers who drive around 90210 in bently azure drop head coupe's who want to retain control of WHO can view WHAT and WHEN.. its a limitation that IBM and all others are FORCED to adhear to.. it did not take too long for those same fellows who brought you the melissa virus to do some hacking and produce a "pick" for the region "lock".. :-) so, please put the blame where it belongs, and keep supplying the cash for them big fancy wheels in the hills of 90210.. :-) further note: I am not against making big bucks (bux?) on innovation or good entertainment and i'm no commie or socialist... . . . . . . . (but this is getting WAY off topic, so i'll quit while i'm ahead) Steven N. Fettig wrote: > Hi, > You can use a utility I found on the net that will work with SoftDVD > (and I also think DVDExpress) that will change the region that the TP > software can read without a problem. If you switch regions, you must shut > down the software being used and run the region changing program and then > start the DVD software again. That's the only hitch. I have been using it > (very) successfully with region 1, 2, & 4 DVDs. I wish IBM hadn't put this > limitation on their laptops - especially seeing as they are meant to be used > internationally (that's why I bought mine). Anyway, here is the link: > http://www.codefreedvd.com/dvd_dvdrom.htm > > Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Leandro Rzezak [mailto:leandror@emk.com.ar] > > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 1999 5:10 PM > > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Zone 4 DVD MPEG disk > > > > > > I'm having this problem: I've bougth the TP in the US, and I got > > the zone 1 > > mpeg disk. > > Unfortunately in my country we have zone 4 and blockbuster rents zone 4 > > dvd's. > > > > Does someone know how or where can i get it? > > > > Thank you in advance, > > > > Leandro. > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 27 16:55:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA03187 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24634; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:09:32 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24409; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:09:31 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id MAA12049 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23335; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:42:10 -0400 Received: from ip-216.145.8.22.az.com (ip-216.145.8.22.az.com [216.145.8.22]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA05389 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:42:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199906270042.RAA05389@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sat, 26 Jun 99 17:49:25 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Zone 4 Theory List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:11:40 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >there is/are a small utility that will change the region.. >i have a copy of one, someplace here, but i have never used it.. :-) > >other versions of the same thing should be around..! First and foremost I must state that the following statement is purely in the academic thought process not something I'd do or suggest anyone do. So if there is a *SOFTWARE* solution to change the regions, then would it be reasonable to theorize that the chip inside is like a variable position switch that allows changing between different zones? Or is it a one time thing. Change it once and that's where it'll be forever? And if it is a software control, then would it also be reasonable to say that *IN THEORY* one could program a desktop control panel to "switch" to whatever zone they wanted? >From a geek standpoint, I find that quite fascinating. :) Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 27 16:55:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA03189 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22827; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:13:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22645; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22602; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906271511.LAA22602@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (129.71.2.4 -> wvnvm.wvnet.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:11:50 -0400 Received: from teapot [129.71.229.167] by WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:13:59 EDT From: "Vrondi" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 10:53:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Installing New HDD woes Reply-to: vrondi@nettaxi.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199906270746_MC2-7AEE-284C@compuserve.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) List-Unsubscribe: From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> > I am going through the painful process of upgrading my HDD on my TPad > 755CX > > I have acquired both a WD 540Mb (for extra B/up) and a Hitachi 2.1Gb HDD > to replace the standard 810Mb HDD. 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------=_NextPart_000_07FD_01BEC0C0.5A94FD40-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 00:00:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA01662 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 00:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17933; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:57:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17735; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17722; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (165.87.194.252 -> out1.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:57:51 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (slip166-72-236-19.ca.us.ibm.net [166.72.236.19]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA199672; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:57:46 GMT Message-ID: <000501bec11a$8e644900$13ec48a6@sierpinski> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Chuck S." , References: <199906251523.LAA21400@CS.UTK.EDU> <009e01bec00f$3ff02de0$34a1aec7@thinkpad1721i> Subject: Re: Tape Backup for TP Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:40:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: > How can I back up my TP's hard disk to tape and be able to restore the > entire drive in the event of a disk crash? One possibility is an external hard drive with a pcmcia interface. I have one like this made by H45; the case alone cost me $100, it accepts any internal 3.5" EIDE drive. The catch is that to run it under plain DOS you need to get some DOS software for running the pcmcia port, I think (I'll have to look in the instructions to be sure here - I don't use mine for backup per se, so am not 100% sure). - David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 02:37:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA02822 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 02:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06858; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 02:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 02:35:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06618; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 02:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06605; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 02:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (140.142.76.8 -> jason02.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 02:35:41 -0400 Received: from dante41.u.washington.edu (williams@dante41.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.201]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id XAA40698 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:35:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante41.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id XAA42800 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:35:38 -0700 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:35:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Recording LPs/Tapes/CDs with 770ED Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I am interested in making CD copies of some of my LPs and Cassettes. How would I go about doing this using my 770ED? What do I need to get it into a form that a CD Recorder can use (Hardware and Software)? How is EZ CD Creator Deluxe? After this happens is there an ideal or preferred program to write this on to the CD? I have EZ CD Creator and CD Copier from Adaptec. Also, how is the Digital Audio Extraction using the DVD? Should I use it or the CD Recorder? Can the DVD keep up with the CD Recorder? Or, does it need to be written to the Hard Drive first? I would like to use Disk-At-Once (DAO) for straight copies to eliminate the gaps between songs. How does the recording speed greatly impact the final product? Finally, I had a Yamaha 4416SXZ that I had to return because of tracking problems. I am thinking about getting another one now that the price has decreased. Is this a good choice or does a better one exist? (I like the option to have 4x RW). I heard that a 6416 is coming out; any one used one of these? Thanks, John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 03:26:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA03243 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10620; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:25:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10429; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10416; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (207.69.200.82 -> smtp5.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:25:06 -0400 Received: from ms461956 (pool-209-138-37-98.irvn.grid.net [209.138.37.98]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA20640 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000301bec137$6c5c4160$62258ad1@ms461956> Reply-To: "James" From: "James" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Fastest 2.5" HD?? Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 00:25:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Which 2.5" HD is the fastest in the market? Thanks From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 03:54:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA03413 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12424; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:52:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12135; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12110; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:52:29 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-434.gate.net [199.227.131.243]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA63354; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:54:24 -0400 Message-ID: <377729B6.7114DDC4@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:52:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Fastest 2.5" HD?? References: <000301bec137$6c5c4160$62258ad1@ms461956> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: most likely the IBM 17mm drives.. they have a reasonably large cache, fast spindle RPM and cutting edge technology.. but you can find data at the various manufacturer's web sites.. James wrote: > Which 2.5" HD is the fastest in the market? > > Thanks -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 06:44:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA04500 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26069; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:42:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25740; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25651; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:40:52 -0400 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-38.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.38]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA12966 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990628064306.006d7538@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:43:06 -0400 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: FA: Complete Selectadock III package Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Get a complete SelectaDock III package today: -SelectaDock III -SelectaBase 770 -56w AC Adapter (Required for SelectaBase 770) -Diamond Monster 3D2 Voodoo2 card (Installed) -3Com 3c905b 10/100 NIC (Installed) Basically, get the package, plug in the package, install the drivers, and go. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=124022327 ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 07:01:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA04576 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27347; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:59:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26982; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26959; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydmail.zydacron.com (198.137.169.1) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:59:22 -0400 Received: by localhost.zydacron.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:55:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Bourdon, Bruce" To: "'STeve Andre''" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Washed-Out LCD Colors... Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:55:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Steve: Almost. I found the refresh rate was cause of poor contrast (I was surprised to learn that LCD screens had a refresh rate!). Was experimenting with the parameters in the XF86Config file and stubled onto the refresh rate fixing poor contrast by trial and error. Anyway, all set now. Thanks. Bruce. -----Original Message----- From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@pilot.msu.edu] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 1999 12:06 AM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Washed-Out LCD Colors... Could it simply be the case that the wrong video driver is installed? Stupid question, I know. STeve Andre' >IBM ThinkPad-770, Linux (newbie) - redhat 5.2 ... > >When I start up X-Windows, there is no contrast. I have to look at the >screen from the keyboard to read anything. > >I have tried hacking around with the clock frequencies in the CXF86Config >file to no avail (though I did get 1024x768 working). > >Any ideas would be appreciated. > >Thanks. >Bruce. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 07:39:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA04794 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29064; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:37:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA28717; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA28668; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:36:20 -0400 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-38.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.38]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA08741 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990628073838.006d7514@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:38:38 -0400 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: FA: 95498au (Thinkpad 770Z) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Thinkpad 770Z: 13.7" SXGA Screen 256megs of RAM 14.1gig HD All the trimmin's in NEW condition w/ the bulk of an IBM 3yr warranty. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=124025367 I am willing to deal outside of ebay and end the auction early if a deal can be struck. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 09:22:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA05530 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04759; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:21:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04587; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04557; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:20:48 -0400 Received: from richard (216-164-221-75.s75.tnt4.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.221.75]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id JAA11623 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990628091913.009ae740@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:20:08 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: quiet large drives? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Are there any 12.5mm 6.4mb to 10mb drives which are silent or almost silent? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 10:25:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA06137 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08797; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:23:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08593; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08571; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:23:49 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-340.gate.net [199.227.173.86]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA439062; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:25:33 -0400 Message-ID: <37778562.C850F3B8@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:23:30 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: quiet large drives? References: <4.2.0.58.19990628091913.009ae740@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: richard... all drives make SOME noise.. some more than others.. minimum you will hear the drive seeking.. others have a slight spindle noise.. some have more noise and COULD be replaced under warranty.. i have one 5.1gig drive that IBM won't take back and replace that is almost unbearable to use due to noise.. the best anyone can do is cherry pick the MOST silent drive from a group of drives.. richard wrote: > Are there any 12.5mm 6.4mb to 10mb drives which are silent or almost silent? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 10:30:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA06175 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09473; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:28:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09237; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09209; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:27:53 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-340.gate.net [199.227.173.86]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA207244; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:28:30 -0400 Message-ID: <37778613.F7E4D7F7@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:26:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FA: 95498au (Thinkpad 770Z) References: <3.0.1.32.19990628073838.006d7514@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------83834E72DB782ACFDFA4D46A" List-Unsubscribe: --------------83834E72DB782ACFDFA4D46A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark... and I have a new sealed 770Z-8AU to sell as well.. ! :-) with all the warranty.. if you find a customer who wants two, please let me know.. Mark Bell wrote: > Thinkpad 770Z: > > 13.7" SXGA Screen > 256megs of RAM > 14.1gig HD > > All the trimmin's in NEW condition w/ the bulk of an IBM 3yr warranty. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=124025367 > > I am willing to deal outside of ebay and end the auction early > if a deal can be struck. > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------83834E72DB782ACFDFA4D46A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark...
and I have a new sealed 770Z-8AU to sell as well.. !  :-)
with all the warranty..
if you find a customer who wants two, please let me know..
 

Mark Bell wrote:

Thinkpad 770Z:

13.7" SXGA Screen
256megs of RAM
14.1gig HD

All the trimmin's in NEW condition w/ the bulk of an IBM 3yr warranty.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=124025367

I am willing to deal outside of ebay and end the auction early
if a deal can be struck.

-------------------------------------------------
Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting
800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360
Voice:  609-293-9426 =-= Fax  :  609-293-9423
Email:  bytehead@bellatlantic.net
-------------------------------------------------
Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic
RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs.
Network and System consultation and installation
--------------------------------------------------

 

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net
770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------83834E72DB782ACFDFA4D46A-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 12:35:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08095 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19192; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:31:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18670; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wsl.com.my (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18648; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wsl.com.my (202.190.130.226) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:31:41 -0400 Received: from warren1 (j29.ptl38.jaring.my[161.142.115.43])by NS1(MailMax 2.040) with ESMTP id 0 for warren@warrentan.com; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:36:49 +0800 From: "Warren Tan Wing Wah" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Installing Win2000 Beta3 on a 560X without CD-ROM drive Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:31:40 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I'm trying to install Windows 2000 Beta 3 on a TP560X which does not have a CD-ROM drive. I however do have access to a desktop with a CD-ROM drive, as well as a 3Com Etherlink III network card for the laptop and the necessary network equipment. According to IBM's setup guide, it is possible to do so, but they didn't detail how to. The guide tells one to make the 4 bootable floppies from the CD-ROM drive, and then boot them. I did that, but setup terminated after the 4th floppy because the system found that I didn't have a CD-ROM drive and couldn't continue. Dang :) How do I get it to recognise that I have a network card plugged in and install through a network? I know I can just install direct from Windows 95 where the PC card and network is already nicely configured. But I would prefer a fresh, clean install, hence.... ! Or is upgrading from windows the *only* way if I don't have an external PCMCIA CD-ROM drive? Lastly, I have a friend who can loan me an old Creative 4x Omni PCMCIA drive - would plugging this in during Win2000's setup (the fresh clean one!) work, or would I still get the same error message? Thanks in advance! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 12:35:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08102 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19201; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:31:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18620; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18580; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:31:23 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-340.gate.net [199.227.173.86]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA112556 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:33:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3777A355.E7F4C2A1@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:31:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: win98 on 600E that came with WinNT..?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone heard of a problem using the Win98 or Win95 IBM recovery CD on a TP-600E that is the NT preload model..?? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 12:36:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08109 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19335; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:33:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19083; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay20.jaring.my (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18825; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay20.jaring.my (192.228.128.131 -> relay20.jaring.my) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:32:33 -0400 Received: from warren1 (j29.ptl38.jaring.my [161.142.115.43]) by relay20.jaring.my (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA18396 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:32:20 +0800 (MYT) From: "Warren Tan Wing Wah" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Installing Win2000 B3 on a 560X without a CDROM drive Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:32:28 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I'm trying to install Windows 2000 Beta 3 on a TP560X which does not have a CD-ROM drive. I however do have access to a desktop with a CD-ROM drive, as well as a 3Com Etherlink III network card for the laptop and the necessary network equipment. According to IBM's setup guide, it is possible to do so, but they didn't detail how to. The guide tells one to make the 4 bootable floppies from the CD-ROM drive, and then boot them. I did that, but setup terminated after the 4th floppy because the system found that I didn't have a CD-ROM drive and couldn't continue. Dang :) How do I get it to recognise that I have a network card plugged in and install through a network? I know I can just install direct from Windows 95 where the PC card and network is already nicely configured. But I would prefer a fresh, clean install, hence.... ! Or is upgrading from windows the *only* way if I don't have an external PCMCIA CD-ROM drive? Lastly, I have a friend who can loan me an old Creative 4x Omni PCMCIA drive - would plugging this in during Win2000's setup (the fresh clean one!) work, or would I still get the same error message? Thanks in advance! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 12:44:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08264 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20695; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:43:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20579; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20564; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235 -> smtp2.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:43:05 -0400 Received: from richard (209-122-225-233.s233.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.225.233]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07821; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990628123538.009a6a20@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:42:15 -0400 To: Bill Morrow From: richard Subject: Re: quiet large drives? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <37778562.C850F3B8@icanect.net> References: <4.2.0.58.19990628091913.009ae740@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: This drive makes a constant whirring noise that is louder than other drives I've had. It also makes a crackling noise while the drive is in operation. Does IBM do warranty replacements for noise? One problem is the difficulty in quantifying noise. Cherry picking is hard to do under the circumstances. But the sound is annoying enough to me that I'd be willing to buy another drive if it were substantially quieter. Any suggestions? At 10:23 AM 6/28/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >all drives make SOME noise.. >some more than others.. >minimum you will hear the drive seeking.. >others have a slight spindle noise.. some have more noise and COULD be >replaced >under warranty.. >i have one 5.1gig drive that IBM won't take back and replace that is almost >unbearable to use due to noise.. > >the best anyone can do is cherry pick the MOST silent drive from a group of >drives.. > >richard wrote: > > > Are there any 12.5mm 6.4mb to 10mb drives which are silent or almost > silent? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 12:55:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08415 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21806; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:54:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21661; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21647; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:54:08 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-340.gate.net [199.227.173.86]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA99936; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:56:01 -0400 Message-ID: <3777A8A6.CEC12849@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:53:58 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: quiet large drives? References: <4.2.0.58.19990628091913.009ae740@pop.rcn.com> <4.2.0.58.19990628123538.009a6a20@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: what machine.. how old.. what capacity HDD..?? if new enough, ibm will swap it out.. tell the guy its really noisy..! richard wrote: > This drive makes a constant whirring noise that is louder than other drives > I've had. It also makes a crackling noise while the drive is in operation. > > Does IBM do warranty replacements for noise? > > One problem is the difficulty in quantifying noise. > > Cherry picking is hard to do under the circumstances. But the sound is > annoying enough to me that I'd be willing to buy another drive if it were > substantially quieter. > > Any suggestions? > > At 10:23 AM 6/28/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >all drives make SOME noise.. > >some more than others.. > >minimum you will hear the drive seeking.. > >others have a slight spindle noise.. some have more noise and COULD be > >replaced > >under warranty.. > >i have one 5.1gig drive that IBM won't take back and replace that is almost > >unbearable to use due to noise.. > > > >the best anyone can do is cherry pick the MOST silent drive from a group of > >drives.. > > > >richard wrote: > > > > > Are there any 12.5mm 6.4mb to 10mb drives which are silent or almost > > silent? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 13:13:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08644 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23402; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:12:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23292; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23241; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (206.247.247.110 -> aspen.wwsi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:12:13 -0400 Received: from ssh (needToKnowBasis.leopard.com [199.239.18.87] (may be forged)) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19360 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:05:05 GMT Message-Id: <4.2.0.56.19990628111318.009b6880@a-basin.wwsi.com> X-Sender: ssh@a-basin.wwsi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.56 (Beta) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:13:58 -0600 To: Thinkpad Mailing List From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: win98 on 600E that came with WinNT..?? In-Reply-To: <3777A355.E7F4C2A1@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I tried it on a version with NT on it, and got some weird results. For example, it didn't install the video drivers, and it just didn't seem to look like I thought it should. It worked, but I'm not sure it was right. ssh At 12:31 PM 6/28/99 -0400, you wrote: >Has anyone heard of a problem using the Win98 or Win95 IBM recovery CD >on a TP-600E that is the NT preload model..?? > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will >vary, Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 13:51:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09107 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26458; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:46:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25941; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25890; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:46:37 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-165.islandnet.com [139.142.112.165] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10yfU6-000WSjC for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:46:22 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: delapuente.Carlos@sympatico.ca Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Problem with SCSI on Dock II Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:21:39 -0700 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <00da01bec0be$e8c73080$d156e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> In-Reply-To: <00da01bec0be$e8c73080$d156e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Lines: 39 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: A "ThinkPad" ? They can act quite differently from model to model. We all know that, but sometimes we forget. On a 701 with a Dock II, Win95 automatically loaded drivers for the AIC-630 (I'm working from questionable memory here, all I remember for sure is that it was three digits and the first one was "6"). And the thing would fail after that. I have DL'd 1520 drivers from Adaptecbut haven't got around to trying them. One problem with working in Win95 is that if you add something, there's a scary chance that what you had before might not work any more. I found that when adding a PCMCIA ethernet card to the 701. It worked fine, but suddenly my PCMCIA modem wouldn't work. Took a *long* time to restore the modem functionality. So my guess is that the SCSI in the Dock II is not "plug and play", and that Win95 just chooses one from its list. Or maybe a Future Domain TMC-950 had been installed in a device which the TP was previously connected to ... One thing that I learned recently is that if you boot up Win95 in safe mode, you get a more complete list in Control Panel > System > Device Manager. Sorry that I don't have the answer to your question! Good luck! :On the first attempt to use a ThinkPad on a Dock II, a message saying :that "there is no Future Domain TMC-950" appears, however, the Dock II :has an Adaptec 1520 chipset (according to IBM's Web site). : -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 13:51:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09113 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26473; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:46:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25903; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25878; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:46:32 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-165.islandnet.com [139.142.112.165] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10yfUA-000WTFC for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:46:26 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: williams@u.washington.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Recording LPs/Tapes/CDs with 770ED Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:04:11 -0700 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <7z5d34mipJfD092yn@islandnet.com> References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 82 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Since nobody has jumped in, I will, with my minuscule experience. :I am interested in making CD copies of some of my LPs and Cassettes. To reduce noise, Cool Edit is very good. There's a crippleware version that does this job just fine. But it is time-consuming. : How :would I go about doing this using my 770ED? What do I need to get it into :a form that a CD Recorder can use (Hardware and Software)? How is EZ CD :Creator Deluxe? After this happens is there an ideal or preferred program :to write this on to the CD? I have EZ CD Creator and CD Copier from :Adaptec. In a desktop system (a mere P-133 32 MB), Easy CD Creator (the one that came with the Mitsumi CD-R) worked just fine. I was warned *not* to update to the latest version. 15 CD-Rs, no coasters. Problems were reported with DirectCD, but I don't know why you might want to use that for music. : :Also, how is the Digital Audio Extraction using the DVD? Should I use it :or the CD Recorder? Can the DVD keep up with the CD Recorder? So you also want to record music from CDs. I've heard that the ne plus ultra in DAE is any Plextor SCSI unit. Always works. I was able to get acceptable audio extraction from an old Mitsumi 4X CD-ROM. Even better with a Toshiba 4.8x DVD (= over 30x CD-ROM). Although there is the question mark that the DVD uses a higher frequency laser. I don't think that the Toshiba DVD is advertised to do DAE. I don't know why DAE isn't solvable with simple software, but that's the way it seems to be. The CD Recorder should work, but remember that its MTBF is way lower than a CD-ROM. So if the DVD or a CD-ROM works, use it in preference. :Or, does it :need to be written to the Hard Drive first? Ah, I see. I've always written to the Hard Drive. I never simply copy a CD. A 4.8 DVD is over 30x CD, so I don't see why it shouldn't be able to keep up with a 2x or 4x recording. However, these things can be highly system-dependent. : I would like to use :Disk-At-Once (DAO) for straight copies to eliminate the gaps between :songs. You really want to eliminate the gaps? For tapes and CDs that means extra work on your part editing out the pauses. My Mitsumi CD-R is scorned by many audio purists because it cannot do DAO and thus can't do a perfect recording of, say, a concert (one continuous track). However, it works fine for everything else. :How does the recording speed greatly impact the final product? : :Finally, I had a Yamaha 4416SXZ that I had to return because of tracking :problems. I am thinking about getting another one now that the price has :decreased. Is this a good choice or does a better one exist? (I like the :option to have 4x RW). I heard that a 6416 is coming out; any one used :one of these? : In conclusion, a lot of these matters are highly system dependent. Your Mileage *Will* Vary. -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 13:54:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09134 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27069; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:48:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26228; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26043; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235 -> smtp2.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:47:24 -0400 Received: from richard (209-122-225-233.s233.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.225.233]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04870; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990628134331.009b2780@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:46:29 -0400 To: Bill Morrow From: richard Subject: Re: quiet large drives? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3777A8A6.CEC12849@icanect.net> References: <4.2.0.58.19990628091913.009ae740@pop.rcn.com> <4.2.0.58.19990628123538.009a6a20@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 12:53 PM 6/28/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >what machine.. how old.. what capacity HDD..?? >if new enough, ibm will swap it out.. >tell the guy its really noisy..! TP 570. The drive in question is a Travelstar 10GT, although the 4gb drive that came with the machine is not all that quiet either (someone on the list just wrote me that his 4gb drive was very loud). Both the original 4gb and the 10GT are within the past two months or so. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 13:54:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09139 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26902; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:47:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26074; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25937; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:46:49 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-165.islandnet.com [139.142.112.165] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10yfU7-000WT0C for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:46:23 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: delapuente.Carlos@sympatico.ca Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Dock ii locked Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:35:10 -0700 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <031901bebff6$d528bf30$d156e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> In-Reply-To: <031901bebff6$d528bf30$d156e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Lines: 85 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I have never purchased anything from Carlos, but we have exchanged email and he has been very helpful. I was hoping to buy the Dock ii special IDE cable from Carlos, but when he found out that they were as rare as hen's teeth, he decided that he'd better supply his dock ii customers first, which is completely understandable. The person I bought the original dock ii from (and didn't get satisfaction from) is a list member, not known AFAIK to be a vendor. The vendor I bought the second dock ii from was via ebay but not a member of this list. He seems anxious to "do the right thing". Incidentally, I've bought about 10 things on ebay and have pretty much found them to be as I expected. In one case it was better than expected. I do check the ratings before I bid. : :If you remove the cover at the back of the unit (the one that covers the :ISA slots), and remove any ISA cards that may be installed, you will be :able to see the screw that holds the whole lock assembly together. It is :a big screw and there is enough of an angle that -- with a little luck :and a lot of patience --may enable you to loosen it using a long :screwdriver. I'll try that, after I discuss with the vendor. : :>From time to time, I advertise Dock II's for auction in here. Since you :didn't mention the name of your source, I would like to say that when i :first started selling these units, I got top dollars for them. However, :I was unaware that they were missing their IDE cables. But I supplied :every single buyer with an IDE cable afterwards. This was done on my own :initiative and not as a result of anyone requesting it. As a matter of :fact, I detected the missing cable when most of teh units were still in :transit and hadn't been delivered yet. I informed everyone of the :missing cable and I took immediate steps to remedy the situation. When i :sell a unit without keys, I always check that it is not in the locked :position. Obviously, I am not the person you are referring to and I felt :the need to express this so no one would even wonder if I was the one :you bought these units from. Absolutely! Sorry that you might have been "tarred with the same brush". : :Although I do have a few brand new units (missing nothing), I have far :more used ones (in excellent condition) which are missing the IDE cable. :However, when i auction them, I state that these units are "SCSI only". :Considering the cost of the IDE cable, i no longer expect top dollars :for the refurbished units. At the moment, I have a few of these units at :eBay with a starting price of $1.00. 3 of them are still at $1.00 and :one is at $5.50 (ending today). I usually sel them for between $18 and :$25. In the recent past, I was getting over $50 for them. I still see :unsuspecting buyers paying that much for units that I am convinced have :no IDE cable. It is quite common for it to be missing on used units :because the cable is not delivered installed. It is packaged along with :the manual and diskettes. So, when you see a unit advertised as "no :manual, no software", chances are it should also say "no IDE cable". : :Regards, :Carlos de la Puente :eBay id: myeyesaintblue : : :------=_NextPart_000_0316_01BEBFD5.4DADAF00 :Content-Type: text/html; : charset="iso-8859-1" :Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable : : : : : Incidentally, "no html" is standard for this list, please. -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 14:14:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09446 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29021; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:13:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28819; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay20.jaring.my (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28737; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay20.jaring.my (192.228.128.131 -> relay20.jaring.my) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:12:52 -0400 Received: from warren1 (j29.ptl38.jaring.my [161.142.115.43]) by relay20.jaring.my (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA20543 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 02:12:45 +0800 (MYT) From: "Warren Tan Wing Wah" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: IMZ Files Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 02:12:52 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I used IBM's recovery CD to reinstall Windows 95 on my 560X. I got the drive partitioned into two, C and D, with C filled with the usual stuff. However, D was not empty as I expected. I found some files with the extension .imz on my d: drive - quite a sizable chunk too, 300+ MB, what are they? Safe to delete? Thanks! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 14:17:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09513 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29544; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:14:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29146; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29132; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235 -> smtp2.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:14:41 -0400 Received: from richard (209-122-223-66.s66.tnt3.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.223.66]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19763 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990628141231.009a4ca0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:14:02 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: Re: quiet large drives? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: What's the phone number for warranty service for a Thinkpad? Is there a different number for service on separately purchased Travelstar drives? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 14:27:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09611 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00932; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:25:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00707; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00691; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:25:22 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08468 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:25:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by fw1.uhc.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08463 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:25:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990628142605.00c13930@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:26:05 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: quiet large drives? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990628141231.009a4ca0@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:14 PM 6/28/99 -0400, richard wrote: >What's the phone number for warranty service for a Thinkpad? > 800.772.2227 (800.PS2.2227) >Is there a different number for service on separately purchased Travelstar >drives? > Probably not. Listen to the prompts, and if nothing seems applicable, pick TP and ask them. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 14:30:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09647 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01292; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:27:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01051; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f1n8.u.arizona.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01027; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f1n8.u.arizona.edu (128.196.137.108 -> f1n8.U.Arizona.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:27:22 -0400 Received: (from mcquaid@localhost) by f1n8.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18040 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:27:18 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:27:18 -0700 From: Mick McQuaid To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Video capture on 770X Message-ID: <19990628112718.C16038@U.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i List-Unsubscribe: I'm having trouble with video capture on the 770X, 9549-7AU, using the optional Enhanced Video Adapter. I have followed the instructions but seem to drop a lot of frames no matter what i do. I've tried using Adobe Premiere 5.1 and the Asymetrix thing that came with the EVA. (I eventually removed the Asymetrix thing because it was seemed inferior to Premiere.) The only way I've been able to get anything decent is to use a very low resolution and completely turn off compression. By low resolution I mean below 320x240, which is the lowest resolution at which I see 10% or more dropped frames. When I get down to 160x120, the dropped frames stop, but the picture is so grainy I hate to show it to anyone. Also, with the compression turned off the files are unwieldly. I have found it very time consuming to experiment with different settings because it seems that if I don't reboot between changes to video settings, bizarre problems occur, including having the picture break up into four small windows, the picture becoming black and white and extremely blotchy, and having the capture file turn out to be empty. I asked www.videoguys.com and they recommended that I buy a different computer (desktop), insisting that laptops just can't do it, no matter what. They recommend several desktop capture cards. I wonder if one of these could be connected to the 770X via a SCSI adapter and some kind of docking station. Has anyone had reasonable success with video capture on the 770X or 770Z? Any tips? -- Mick McQuaid, mmcquaid@u.arizona.edu 520-621-4074 office / voice mail From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 14:41:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09797 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02832; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:40:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02688; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02675; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:40:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA00393 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:40:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:40:25 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: quiet large drives? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990628123538.009a6a20@pop.rcn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, richard wrote: > This drive makes a constant whirring noise that is louder than other drives > I've had. It also makes a crackling noise while the drive is in operation. > > Does IBM do warranty replacements for noise? > > One problem is the difficulty in quantifying noise. I was able to get an IBM drive on my desktop system replaced under warranty by complaining about the noise. I said that it used to be quiet, but it wasn't anymore, and the intermittent noise sounded a lot like two other drives I used to have that had bearing failures shortly afterwards. Your mileage may vary. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 14:46:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09856 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03564; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:44:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03285; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0d.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03266; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0d.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.33 -> www0d.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:44:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 9197 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 1999 18:15:57 -0000 Message-ID: <19990628181557.9196.qmail@www0d.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.33 by www0d via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Mon Jun 28 18:15:57 GMT 1999 Date: 28 Jun 99 13:15:57 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Warren Tan Wing Wah , Thinkpad Subject: Re: IMZ Files X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: They were probably copied there by the recovery program and just not clea= ned up properly. I believe these are the compressed images that contain all = of the files restored by the recovery CD. You should be able to view the contents of these files with an application like WinZip. Compare them to= the recovery CD itself and you'll probably find that they are exact copies of= those files. I believe they are safe to delete. HTH, Rob "Warren Tan Wing Wah" wrote: > I used IBM's recovery CD to reinstall Windows 95 on my 560X. I got the= > drive partitioned into two, C and D, with C filled with the usual stuff= =2E > However, D was not empty as I expected. > = > I found some files with the extension .imz on my d: drive - quite a siz= able > chunk too, 300+ MB, what are they? Safe to delete? > = > Thanks! ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 16:33:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA11343 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11962; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:31:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11741; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11727; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:31:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.72 -> imo28.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:31:34 -0400 Received: from Rous56@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id oQAGa29539 (541) for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:26:45 EDT Subject: needed: 755 ribbon to screen To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 List-Unsubscribe: Can anyone help me to locate a ribbon cable that connects the mboard to the screen on a TP755CSE ? I'm getting nasty vertical lines on the screen that change when the screen is moved slightly. I've re-seated the cable on both ends, but this didn't help at all. Thanks to all...Dan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 16:37:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA11382 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12399; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:34:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12209; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12181; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:34:24 -0400 Received: from richard (209-122-228-86.s340.tnt2.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.228.86]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id QAA11976 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990628162856.009aa100@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:32:09 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: noisy harddrive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I called IBM Systems Storage regarding my noisy Travelstar 10GT. Technician said - it's making a whining sound? Probably the bearings. Give me a credit card number, we'll send you another one, then you can send back the bad one. Note that the new one may be refurbished, but will be in like new condition and have full warranty coverage. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 17:13:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA11835 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15228; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:11:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15066; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ubh.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15044; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:11:48 -0400 Received: by mail.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:14:20 -0500 Message-ID: <7553C6C478C1D011999300A024D2D29583A5D4@mail.ubh.com> From: Greg Langham To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Selectadock III/PCI Video Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:14:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I have a Selectadock III with a Selectabase 770 and a 9549-8AU 770Z. I have installed a Number 9 PCI Digital video card which is part of the Silicon Graphics 17.3" flat panel bundle. (Which, by the way, is the only monitor I have ever seen which beats the 13.7" LCD of the 770). My question is this: When I connect my 770 to the dock, then boot, the machine produces no display on the pci card. It waits about 10 seconds, beeps, then automatically reboots. At this point, I get a display on the pci adapter and everything is fine. Now, when I undock and turn my machine on, I get the standard power on display. Again, it goes for about 10 seconds just sitting there, beeps once, turns off the LCD, then comes back up and boots. If I reboot the machine while still undocked, the machine doesn't go through this procedure. I'm guessing that the machine is noticing a change in its configuration and must reconfigure something in the BIOS. Now the problem is this: If I boot connected to the dock after having been undocked, everything works fine; however, If I boot twice in a row when connected to the dock, the machine hangs and never even produces a display at the second boot. The solution is to pull the machine out of the dock, boot, turn it off, and plug it back into the dock. Seems a bit clumsy. I have noticed others using pci video (voodoo cards, etc.) and was wondering if this is just a characteristic, or do I have something configured wrong? Thanks. Greg Langham Priority Solutions, Inc. mailto:greg@psnet.net 501.756.5200 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 17:28:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA12142 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16512; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:25:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16390; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16226; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:24:22 -0400 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-106.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.106]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA28226; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990628172632.037c6678@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:26:32 -0400 To: Bill Morrow From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: FA: 95498au (Thinkpad 770Z) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <37778613.F7E4D7F7@icanect.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19990628073838.006d7514@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:26 AM 06/28/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >Mark... >and I have a new sealed 770Z-8AU to sell as well.. ! :-) >with all the warranty.. >if you find a customer who wants two, please let me know.. > Mark Bell wrote: Thinkpad 770Z: 13.7" SXGA Screen >256megs of RAM >14.1gig HD All the trimmin's in NEW condition w/ the bulk of an IBM 3yr >warranty. &item=124025367 I am willing to deal outside of ebay and end >the auction early >if a deal can be struck. Heh, I figure with a 3yr warranty a few months won't make a difference. This surpasses sealed in regards to the facts that it has been inspected, upgraded, burned in, tested and put back my moi and I can attest that the screen is PERFECT. Can a sealed unit make the same claim? >;P ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 17:39:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA12276 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17337; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:32:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17100; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17087; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:32:36 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.14.28]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990628213231.EFUP1417@770>; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:32:31 +0000 Message-ID: <3777E9C5.5F3F@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:31:49 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Langham CC: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: Selectadock III/PCI Video References: <7553C6C478C1D011999300A024D2D29583A5D4@mail.ubh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mine works exactly the same way except for the second boot thing. Greg Langham wrote: > > I have a Selectadock III with a Selectabase 770 and a 9549-8AU 770Z. I have > installed a Number 9 PCI Digital video card which is part of the Silicon > Graphics 17.3" flat panel bundle. (Which, by the way, is the only monitor I > have ever seen which beats the 13.7" LCD of the 770). > > My question is this: When I connect my 770 to the dock, then boot, the > machine produces no display on the pci card. It waits about 10 seconds, > beeps, then automatically reboots. At this point, I get a display on the > pci adapter and everything is fine. > > Now, when I undock and turn my machine on, I get the standard power on > display. Again, it goes for about 10 seconds just sitting there, beeps once, > turns off the LCD, then comes back up and boots. If I reboot the machine > while still undocked, the machine doesn't go through this procedure. > > I'm guessing that the machine is noticing a change in its configuration and > must reconfigure something in the BIOS. > > Now the problem is this: If I boot connected to the dock after having been > undocked, everything works fine; however, If I boot twice in a row when > connected to the dock, the machine hangs and never even produces a display > at the second boot. The solution is to pull the machine out of the dock, > boot, turn it off, and plug it back into the dock. Seems a bit clumsy. > > I have noticed others using pci video (voodoo cards, etc.) and was wondering > if this is just a characteristic, or do I have something configured wrong? > > Thanks. > > Greg Langham > Priority Solutions, Inc. > mailto:greg@psnet.net > 501.756.5200 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 18:18:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA12661 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20316; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:16:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20075; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19966; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:15:12 -0400 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-106.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.106]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA17572; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990628181726.033f0b70@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:17:26 -0400 To: Greg Langham , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Selectadock III/PCI Video In-Reply-To: <7553C6C478C1D011999300A024D2D29583A5D4@mail.ubh.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:14 PM 06/28/1999 -0500, Greg Langham wrote: >I have a Selectadock III with a Selectabase 770 and a 9549-8AU 770Z. I have >installed a Number 9 PCI Digital video card which is part of the Silicon >Graphics 17.3" flat panel bundle. (Which, by the way, is the only monitor I >have ever seen which beats the 13.7" LCD of the 770). This is my exact configuration I use in the office sans the SGI bundle (which I heard is pretty much awesome). > >My question is this: When I connect my 770 to the dock, then boot, the >machine produces no display on the pci card. It waits about 10 seconds, >beeps, then automatically reboots. At this point, I get a display on the >pci adapter and everything is fine. I've had my machine occasionally do this. It waits 5-10 seconds, beeps in a rythmic fashion and then reboot. This only happened AFTER I put the VooDoo2 card in the docking station. I would think it is a display rerouting issue. >Now the problem is this: If I boot connected to the dock after having been >undocked, everything works fine; however, If I boot twice in a row when >connected to the dock, the machine hangs and never even produces a display >at the second boot. The solution is to pull the machine out of the dock, >boot, turn it off, and plug it back into the dock. Seems a bit clumsy. Whoa, this is where we differ. I never have this problem. It works everytime I reboot no matter what. Only when the dock reconfigures do I even get the reboot/beep cycle. I've never had to go through this procedure. >I have noticed others using pci video (voodoo cards, etc.) and was wondering >if this is just a characteristic, or do I have something configured wrong? Something is wrong, but I am unsure as to the exact cause. Have you tried another video card to see if the problem duplicates itself? ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 18:30:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA12755 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21486; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:28:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21188; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21173; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU (128.196.206.226 -> exchange.optics.arizona.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:28:14 -0400 Received: from spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu ([150.135.52.9]) by exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id N3R93SYB; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:28:11 -0700 Received: from europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.30]) by spectra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA22238; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:28:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id PAA03706; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:28:09 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:28:09 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <199906282228.PAA03706@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> To: bytehead@bellatlantic.net Subject: Re: Selectadock III/PCI Video Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I expect that the delay, beep, restart sequence is due to the different hardware. I use a 770E (NT preload model with current BIOS and bios quick boot off) in both a SelectaDock II and a SelectaDock III. Normal use in my office is in the III. If I put the 770E in the SelectaDock II (in an optics lab for running instruments with a GPIB interface in the II), it always goes throught the delay, beep, restart sequence. After being in the SelectaDock II, the next time it goes into the III or a SelectaBase 770 with the PC-Card enabler (at home) it again does the delay, beep, stuff again. Stuart > At 04:14 PM 06/28/1999 -0500, Greg Langham wrote: > >I have a Selectadock III with a Selectabase 770 and a 9549-8AU 770Z. I have > >installed a Number 9 PCI Digital video card which is part of the Silicon > >Graphics 17.3" flat panel bundle. (Which, by the way, is the only monitor I > >have ever seen which beats the 13.7" LCD of the 770). > > This is my exact configuration I use in the office sans the SGI bundle (which > I heard is pretty much awesome). > > > > >My question is this: When I connect my 770 to the dock, then boot, the > >machine produces no display on the pci card. It waits about 10 seconds, > >beeps, then automatically reboots. At this point, I get a display on the > >pci adapter and everything is fine. > > I've had my machine occasionally do this. It waits 5-10 seconds, beeps in > a rythmic fashion and then reboot. This only happened AFTER I put the > VooDoo2 card in the docking station. I would think it is a display rerouting > issue. > > >Now the problem is this: If I boot connected to the dock after having been > >undocked, everything works fine; however, If I boot twice in a row when > >connected to the dock, the machine hangs and never even produces a display > >at the second boot. The solution is to pull the machine out of the dock, > >boot, turn it off, and plug it back into the dock. Seems a bit clumsy. > > Whoa, this is where we differ. I never have this problem. It works everytime > I reboot no matter what. Only when the dock reconfigures do I even get the > reboot/beep cycle. I've never had to go through this procedure. > > >I have noticed others using pci video (voodoo cards, etc.) and was wondering > >if this is just a characteristic, or do I have something configured wrong? > > Something is wrong, but I am unsure as to the exact cause. Have you tried > another video card to see if the problem duplicates itself? > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 18:31:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA12769 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21605; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:28:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21308; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21223; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:28:30 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-199.gate.net [207.36.212.199]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA116728; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:30:21 -0400 Message-ID: <3777F702.9E000C8@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:28:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: Greg Langham , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: Selectadock III/PCI Video References: <7553C6C478C1D011999300A024D2D29583A5D4@mail.ubh.com> <3777E9C5.5F3F@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: FWIW: I have experienced this start to boot, beep halfway through then reboot.. there was some comment on another venue IRT this behaviour but i don't remember the what or wherefore since, while annoying, its not sufficiently annoying.. :-) Bruce Markowitz wrote: > Mine works exactly the same way except for the second boot thing. > > Greg Langham wrote: > > > > I have a Selectadock III with a Selectabase 770 and a 9549-8AU 770Z. I have > > installed a Number 9 PCI Digital video card which is part of the Silicon > > Graphics 17.3" flat panel bundle. (Which, by the way, is the only monitor I > > have ever seen which beats the 13.7" LCD of the 770). > > > > My question is this: When I connect my 770 to the dock, then boot, the > > machine produces no display on the pci card. It waits about 10 seconds, > > beeps, then automatically reboots. At this point, I get a display on the > > pci adapter and everything is fine. > > > > Now, when I undock and turn my machine on, I get the standard power on > > display. Again, it goes for about 10 seconds just sitting there, beeps once, > > turns off the LCD, then comes back up and boots. If I reboot the machine > > while still undocked, the machine doesn't go through this procedure. > > > > I'm guessing that the machine is noticing a change in its configuration and > > must reconfigure something in the BIOS. > > > > Now the problem is this: If I boot connected to the dock after having been > > undocked, everything works fine; however, If I boot twice in a row when > > connected to the dock, the machine hangs and never even produces a display > > at the second boot. The solution is to pull the machine out of the dock, > > boot, turn it off, and plug it back into the dock. Seems a bit clumsy. > > > > I have noticed others using pci video (voodoo cards, etc.) and was wondering > > if this is just a characteristic, or do I have something configured wrong? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Greg Langham > > Priority Solutions, Inc. > > mailto:greg@psnet.net > > 501.756.5200 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 19:56:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA01536 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26669; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:55:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26520; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26507; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:55:06 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-199.gate.net [207.36.212.199]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA356254; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:55:46 -0400 Message-ID: <37780B06.4A12D1AB@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:53:43 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FA: 95498au (Thinkpad 770Z) References: <3.0.1.32.19990628073838.006d7514@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <3.0.1.32.19990628172632.037c6678@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mark.. nope.. my sealed 770Z can't.. i can't unseal it though.. unless i sell it for parts.. a slightly used machine always has that advantage.. :-) also, have a 600E-8AU model.. VERY hard to find.. none available until mid august.. nmost likely those will be the 400mhz machines.. in fact, i'm getting to the point where i'm going to put up a new/used thinkpad page on my web site.. Mark Bell wrote: > At 10:26 AM 06/28/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > >Mark... > >and I have a new sealed 770Z-8AU to sell as well.. ! :-) > >with all the warranty.. > >if you find a customer who wants two, please let me know.. > > Mark Bell wrote: Thinkpad 770Z: 13.7" SXGA Screen > >256megs of RAM > >14.1gig HD All the trimmin's in NEW condition w/ the bulk of an IBM 3yr > >warranty. &item=124025367 I am willing to deal outside of ebay and end > >the auction early > >if a deal can be struck. > > Heh, > > I figure with a 3yr warranty a few months won't make a difference. This > surpasses sealed in regards to the facts that it has been inspected, > upgraded, burned > in, tested and put back my moi and I can attest that the screen is PERFECT. > Can a > sealed unit make the same claim? >;P > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 19:59:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA01567 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27085; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:58:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26940; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26927; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:58:37 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-199.gate.net [207.36.212.199]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA190392; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:00:32 -0400 Message-ID: <37780C25.6901E84E@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:58:30 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rous56@aol.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: needed: 755 ribbon to screen References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Beware.. usually any used part will have similar or the same problem... its a gamble because the IBM new parts are not available or too expensive.. Rous56@aol.com wrote: > Can anyone help me to locate a ribbon cable that connects the mboard to the > screen on a TP755CSE ? I'm getting nasty vertical lines on the screen that > change when the screen is moved slightly. I've re-seated the cable on both > ends, but this didn't help at all. Thanks to all...Dan -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 20:30:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01866 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29126; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:27:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28963; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28945; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (207.69.200.82 -> smtp5.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:27:15 -0400 Received: from thinkpad1721i (user-33qt8do.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.161.184]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA25188 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003201bec1c6$17f6fae0$b8a1aec7@thinkpad1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: Subject: Newbie Question about Docking Stations Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:26:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: What exactly do they do? Do they accept PCI cards? Is there a docking station for the i Series? Are there 3rd party suppliers? Thanks, Chuck From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 20:45:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01982 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00324; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:43:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29957; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29942; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:43:23 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.1) id UAA27635 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from pcb502818 (sfr-qbu-pql-vty73.as.wcom.net [216.192.54.73]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.1) with SMTP id UAA27541 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906290043.UAA27541@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:38:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Airplane power adapter? List-Unsubscribe: Hello! Yesterday I flew on a different airline, and the longer segment (~5:00 gate-to-gate) had power connectors in all seats in the front cabin (it was CP on a 737 if it matters). The second segment was also a CP 737 but had no power adapters (and no headset outlets) in the seats for 2:50 gate-to-gate. Should I get a power adapter for my TP600? Or would my money be better spent on a second battery? I used the notebook on the first segment and ran the battery right down. I like to think I'd have used it on the second segment if I could, although it's possible I'd have slept or read anyway. And I only got the upgrade at the gate right before departure (for the second segment that is). Any advice? And anyone who thinks "yes you should get an adapter", can you provide a URL for more information? Difference in cost between a realiable power adapter and a second Li-Ion battery? I'm flying back on Saturday, and should have power outlet on the longer segment. On the other hand, I'm probably less likely to work on the way home. :) I wouldn't mind getting something while in California this week, so I have the option of working on the flight. The other benefit of the second battery is that it would work on non-outlet-equipped planes, or if I don't get the upgrade to the front cabin, and also on other airlines. Thanks for any advice! andrew ------ my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/LongBeachCA.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 22:13:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA02854 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03814; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:12:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03627; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03614; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:11:56 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-138.usc.edu [128.125.223.138]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id TAA14171; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990628185908.02b42eb0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:10:28 -0700 To: "Andrew Webber" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Airplane power adapter? In-Reply-To: <199906290043.UAA27541@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:38 PM 6/28/99 -0400, you wrote: >(~5:00 gate-to-gate) had power connectors in all seats in the front >cabin (it was CP on a 737 if it matters). The second segment was >also a CP 737 but had no power adapters (and no headset outlets) in >the seats for 2:50 gate-to-gate. > >Should I get a power adapter for my TP600? Or would my money be >better spent on a second battery? For my money, I'd get another battery. If there was consistency out there--all airlines, in all classes, on all planes (or nearly all), then yes--an airplane adapter would be fabulous. But as it stands, its pretty much only in First Class and even then its spotty as to whether you'll be on a plane that has one. A 2nd battery works whether I paid for a $1200 1st class seat or not. And it works whether that particular plane has adaptor plugs or not. In short, it works more reliably than taking your chances with a roll of the dice. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 22:27:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA02988 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04735; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:25:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04479; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot008.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04466; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot008.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.108 -> pilot008.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:25:31 -0400 Received: from andres (port12.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.13]) by pilot008.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA69390 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:25:27 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990628222749.008ee8c0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:27:49 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Airplane power adapter? In-Reply-To: <199906290043.UAA27541@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Andrew, the question you need to ask is how you're going to be using the unit in the future. Besides airplanes, do you like the idea of using the unit while sitting in a park? Riding in a car? Another battery is the only way to go for that. If the only thing you need extra power for are airplane rides then an adaptor might make sense, but not all airplanes have the jacks yet, at least I don't think they do. I'd suggest that getting another battery will do you more good overall than an adaptor for airplanes. I plan on getting more batteries and a DC adaptor for mt laptop over time, just so I have the widest variety of food sources, but I frequently wander off to places where the AC mains aren't common. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 03:38 PM 6/28/99 -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: >Hello! > >Yesterday I flew on a different airline, and the longer segment >(~5:00 gate-to-gate) had power connectors in all seats in the front >cabin (it was CP on a 737 if it matters). The second segment was >also a CP 737 but had no power adapters (and no headset outlets) in >the seats for 2:50 gate-to-gate. > >Should I get a power adapter for my TP600? Or would my money be >better spent on a second battery? I used the notebook on the first >segment and ran the battery right down. I like to think I'd have >used it on the second segment if I could, although it's possible >I'd have slept or read anyway. And I only got the upgrade at the >gate right before departure (for the second segment that is). ... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 22:37:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03064 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05454; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:35:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05299; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from u2.farm.idt.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05284; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from u2.farm.idt.net (169.132.8.11 -> u2.farm.idt.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:35:51 -0400 Received: from think1 (ppp-27.ts-6-bay.hck.idt.net [169.132.57.27]) by u2.farm.idt.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id WAA11355 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:35:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "A Kumar" To: "List Thinkpad" Subject: RE: Airplane power adapter? Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:35:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bec1d8$16688d80$933884a9@think1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199906290043.UAA27541@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Along the same lines I am looking at getting the DC adapter for my 600, it works in both the car and plane. I think the price was ~$115 from IBM. Port also makes one that is about $70-$80. I would love to have GPS in my car. Anyone used any of the serial port GPS solutions? Which is the best? > -----Original Message----- > From: awebber@sgml-mercs.com [mailto:awebber@sgml-mercs.com] > Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 3:38 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Airplane power adapter? > > > Hello! > > Yesterday I flew on a different airline, and the longer segment > (~5:00 gate-to-gate) had power connectors in all seats in the front > cabin (it was CP on a 737 if it matters). The second segment was > also a CP 737 but had no power adapters (and no headset outlets) in > the seats for 2:50 gate-to-gate. > > Should I get a power adapter for my TP600? Or would my money be > better spent on a second battery? I used the notebook on the first > segment and ran the battery right down. I like to think I'd have > used it on the second segment if I could, although it's possible > I'd have slept or read anyway. And I only got the upgrade at the > gate right before departure (for the second segment that is). > > Any advice? And anyone who thinks "yes you should get an adapter", > can you provide a URL for more information? Difference in cost > between a realiable power adapter and a second Li-Ion battery? > > I'm flying back on Saturday, and should have power outlet on the > longer segment. On the other hand, I'm probably less likely to > work on the way home. :) I wouldn't mind getting something while > in California this week, so I have the option of working on the > flight. > > The other benefit of the second battery is that it would work on > non-outlet-equipped planes, or if I don't get the upgrade to the > front cabin, and also on other airlines. > > Thanks for any advice! > > andrew > ------ > my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/LongBeachCA.html > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 22:44:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA03109 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06281; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:42:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06052; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05969; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:42:06 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.12.214]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990629024203.EIRC2808@770>; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 02:42:03 +0000 Message-ID: <37783250.5D26@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:41:20 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: A Kumar CC: List Thinkpad Subject: Re: Airplane power adapter? References: <000d01bec1d8$16688d80$933884a9@think1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The DeLorme Street Atlas system works very well! A Kumar wrote: > > Along the same lines I am looking at getting the DC adapter for my 600, it > works in both the car and plane. I think the price was ~$115 from IBM. > Port also makes one that is about $70-$80. I would love to have GPS in my > car. Anyone used any of the serial port GPS solutions? Which is the best? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: awebber@sgml-mercs.com [mailto:awebber@sgml-mercs.com] > > Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 3:38 PM > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Airplane power adapter? > > > > > > Hello! > > > > Yesterday I flew on a different airline, and the longer segment > > (~5:00 gate-to-gate) had power connectors in all seats in the front > > cabin (it was CP on a 737 if it matters). The second segment was > > also a CP 737 but had no power adapters (and no headset outlets) in > > the seats for 2:50 gate-to-gate. > > > > Should I get a power adapter for my TP600? Or would my money be > > better spent on a second battery? I used the notebook on the first > > segment and ran the battery right down. I like to think I'd have > > used it on the second segment if I could, although it's possible > > I'd have slept or read anyway. And I only got the upgrade at the > > gate right before departure (for the second segment that is). > > > > Any advice? And anyone who thinks "yes you should get an adapter", > > can you provide a URL for more information? Difference in cost > > between a realiable power adapter and a second Li-Ion battery? > > > > I'm flying back on Saturday, and should have power outlet on the > > longer segment. On the other hand, I'm probably less likely to > > work on the way home. :) I wouldn't mind getting something while > > in California this week, so I have the option of working on the > > flight. > > > > The other benefit of the second battery is that it would work on > > non-outlet-equipped planes, or if I don't get the upgrade to the > > front cabin, and also on other airlines. > > > > Thanks for any advice! > > > > andrew > > ------ > > my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/LongBeachCA.html > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 23:01:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA03243 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07330; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:00:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07157; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07135; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (192.245.12.7 -> Cello.Opus1.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:00:05 -0400 Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.2-31 #9830) id <01JCY0WUNDGW9S47CR@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:59:57 MST Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:53:39 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: needed: 755 ribbon to screen In-reply-to: "A message dated Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:58:30 -0400" <37780C25.6901E84E@icanect.net> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01JCY2B6JM7G9S47CR@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow writes - > Beware.. > usually any used part will have similar or the same problem... > its a gamble because the IBM new parts are not available or too expensive.. Having said that, here are a few used parts houses, just in case, from the Computer Hotline (a trade magazine for used hardware dealers) - NPOINC@AOL.COM Notebook Parts Outlet (no web site) www.ashica.com Haven't looked at their site.. www.geminiparts.com ditto... www.acsparts.com These guys are somewhat higher priced but they do have tons of parts. Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 28 23:51:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA01478 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09452; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:49:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09310; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09297; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (206.127.32.35 -> tam.dorsai.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:49:46 -0400 Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (higgins@amanda.dorsai.org [206.127.32.130]) by tam.dorsai.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA00594 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:53:57 -0400 (EDT) From: John Higgins Received: (higgins@localhost) by amanda.dorsai.org (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA00568 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906290353.XAA00568@amanda.dorsai.org> Subject: Interesting TP accessory prices To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad list) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:53:56 -0400 (edt) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Got some interesting mail from Micro Warehouse today on IBM Thinkpad accessories. ALl are prices after a $25 rebate TP 560 batteries $24.95!!!!! 56w AC Adapter for thinkpad 600 $19.95 Internal 100MB Zip Drive $49.95 Those seem to be the biggest bargains, but there are some other specials. Follow these procedures. warehouse.com/ibmopmail or 800-551-9577 Source code P95x20 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John M. Higgins Broadcasting & Cable Magazine higgins@dorsai.org v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 02:42:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA02768 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 02:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14358; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 02:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 02:40:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14105; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 02:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14091; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 02:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (140.142.78.6 -> jason05.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 02:40:17 -0400 Received: from dante20.u.washington.edu (ranger5@dante20.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.70]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id XAA13594; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:40:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (ranger5@localhost) by dante20.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id XAA22776; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:40:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:40:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Kokaly" To: John Higgins cc: Thinkpad list Subject: Re: Interesting TP accessory prices In-Reply-To: <199906290353.XAA00568@amanda.dorsai.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: John, I couldn't find the great deals. The battery listing I see there says $249.00 before rebate, not $24.90 after rebate. Was this some kind of typo? I went as far as to add it to my shopping cart and it still says $249.00. Not as good as the $99 pczone deal. Let me know if I'm doing something wrong. Matthew On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, John Higgins wrote: > > > Got some interesting mail from Micro Warehouse today on IBM Thinkpad > accessories. ALl are prices after a $25 rebate > > TP 560 batteries $24.95!!!!! > 56w AC Adapter for thinkpad 600 $19.95 > Internal 100MB Zip Drive $49.95 > > Those seem to be the biggest bargains, but there are some other > specials. > > Follow these procedures. > > warehouse.com/ibmopmail > or 800-551-9577 > Source code P95x20 > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > John M. Higgins > Broadcasting & Cable Magazine > higgins@dorsai.org > v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 08:06:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA01838 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02000; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:04:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01770; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01757; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (206.127.32.35 -> tam.dorsai.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:04:49 -0400 Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (higgins@amanda.dorsai.org [206.127.32.130]) by tam.dorsai.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA09594; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:09:02 -0400 (EDT) From: John Higgins Received: (higgins@localhost) by amanda.dorsai.org (8.8.5/8.6.12) id IAA03121; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906291209.IAA03121@amanda.dorsai.org> Subject: Re: Interesting TP accessory prices To: penzance@icanect.net (Bill Morrow) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:08:57 -0400 (edt) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad list) In-Reply-To: <37784924.A7493ED0@icanect.net> from "Bill Morrow" at Jun 29, 99 00:18:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hmm, try calling, because they quoted me the battery price when I called yesterday. It just didn't fit my machine. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John M. Higgins Broadcasting & Cable Magazine higgins@dorsai.org v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > John.. > am i missing something..?? > the 560 battery is $249, less a $25 rebate, which is an IBM rebate.. > (also IBM has offered a rebate on a bunch of other products, good > through july 31) > > also, the AC adapter for the "THINPAD" 600 is $69 less $25, which, > unless my old math is full of errors, $44, not $19.. > > or is there a special web page i did not see.. > > i want some of those ac adapters at $19.95..!! :-) > > > John Higgins wrote: > > > Got some interesting mail from Micro Warehouse today on IBM Thinkpad > > accessories. ALl are prices after a $25 rebate > > > > TP 560 batteries $24.95!!!!! > > 56w AC Adapter for thinkpad 600 $19.95 > > Internal 100MB Zip Drive $49.95 > > > > Those seem to be the biggest bargains, but there are some other > > specials. > > > > Follow these procedures. > > > > warehouse.com/ibmopmail > > or 800-551-9577 > > Source code P95x20 > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > John M. Higgins > > Broadcasting & Cable Magazine > > higgins@dorsai.org > > v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 10:09:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA02479 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09127; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:07:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08921; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linkline.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08898; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linkline.com (207.67.165.2 -> elantra.linkline.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:07:41 -0400 Received: from DESKTOP [207.67.190.237] by linkline.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A2CC278E0038; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:06:04 -0700 From: "David Dunn" To: Subject: RE: Interesting TP accessory prices Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:09:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <199906290353.XAA00568@amanda.dorsai.org> List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the info. I went to their site and they listed the TP600 adapter for 69$-25$rebate=45$. Where did you see the price for the AC adapter for 19$? Also it states that a Mailer code is required for rebate, is this the source code number you had at the bottom of your email? Thanks David Dunn -----Original Message----- From: John Higgins [mailto:higgins@dorsai.org] Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 8:54 PM To: Thinkpad list Subject: Interesting TP accessory prices Got some interesting mail from Micro Warehouse today on IBM Thinkpad accessories. ALl are prices after a $25 rebate TP 560 batteries $24.95!!!!! 56w AC Adapter for thinkpad 600 $19.95 Internal 100MB Zip Drive $49.95 Those seem to be the biggest bargains, but there are some other specials. Follow these procedures. warehouse.com/ibmopmail or 800-551-9577 Source code P95x20 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John M. Higgins Broadcasting & Cable Magazine higgins@dorsai.org v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 10:30:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA02617 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10943; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:27:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10602; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10582; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (169.207.2.78 -> mailgw01.execpc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:27:01 -0400 Received: from earth (scdavis@earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.9.1) id JAA10532; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:26:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:26:56 -0500 (CDT) From: "Steven C. Davis" X-Sender: scdavis@earth To: A Kumar cc: List Thinkpad Subject: RE: Airplane power adapter? In-Reply-To: <000d01bec1d8$16688d80$933884a9@think1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I've seen several positive reviews of the Garmin GPS III+. It can be used with your thinkpad, or you can use the thinkpad to download maps to the GPS and use the display on the GPS. On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, A Kumar wrote: > Along the same lines I am looking at getting the DC adapter for my 600, it > works in both the car and plane. I think the price was ~$115 from IBM. > Port also makes one that is about $70-$80. I would love to have GPS in my > car. Anyone used any of the serial port GPS solutions? Which is the best? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: awebber@sgml-mercs.com [mailto:awebber@sgml-mercs.com] > > Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 3:38 PM > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Airplane power adapter? > > > > > > Hello! > > > > Yesterday I flew on a different airline, and the longer segment > > (~5:00 gate-to-gate) had power connectors in all seats in the front > > cabin (it was CP on a 737 if it matters). The second segment was > > also a CP 737 but had no power adapters (and no headset outlets) in > > the seats for 2:50 gate-to-gate. > > > > Should I get a power adapter for my TP600? Or would my money be > > better spent on a second battery? I used the notebook on the first > > segment and ran the battery right down. I like to think I'd have > > used it on the second segment if I could, although it's possible > > I'd have slept or read anyway. And I only got the upgrade at the > > gate right before departure (for the second segment that is). > > > > Any advice? And anyone who thinks "yes you should get an adapter", > > can you provide a URL for more information? Difference in cost > > between a realiable power adapter and a second Li-Ion battery? > > > > I'm flying back on Saturday, and should have power outlet on the > > longer segment. On the other hand, I'm probably less likely to > > work on the way home. :) I wouldn't mind getting something while > > in California this week, so I have the option of working on the > > flight. > > > > The other benefit of the second battery is that it would work on > > non-outlet-equipped planes, or if I don't get the upgrade to the > > front cabin, and also on other airlines. > > > > Thanks for any advice! > > > > andrew > > ------ > > my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/LongBeachCA.html > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 11:21:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02995 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14981; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:19:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14803; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14778; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (194.164.19.39 -> bradnet.legend.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:19:24 -0400 Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.02/2.0) id QAA005.02; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:14:20 +0100 Message-Id: <199906291514.QAA005.02@bradnet> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 99 16:14:18 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: [TP600] internal modem under OS/2 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: I have been trying to install the internal modem support for a TP600 under OS/2 (Aurora), but get a message saying that this model is not supported when I run the setup program. According to IBM's web pages for Thinkpad drivers it should work. Does anyone else have it working? Maybe there are some pre-requisites that I have not yet installled... -- John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 12:22:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03683 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19755; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:20:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19546; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19499; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.217.152 -> ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:19:48 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.1) id MAA17733 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from pcb502818 (sfr-pci-pqs-vty274.as.wcom.net [216.192.27.18]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.1) with SMTP id MAA17644; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906291619.MAA17644@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "STeve Andre'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:21:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Airplane power adapter? List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:27:49 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >If the only thing you need extra power for are airplane rides >then an adaptor might make sense, but not all airplanes have >the jacks yet, at least I don't think they do. I'd suggest >that getting another battery will do you more good overall >than an adaptor for airplanes. Thanks for your reply, and thanks to everyone else who replied (I won't post individual thank-yous for fear of cluttering the list!). It seems the answer is unanimous: get a second battery. I could see getting both a second battery _and_ the power adapter, but the battery does seem to provide more flexibility. (I understand the power adapters are typically labelled airplane/automobile adapters). BTW, as far as I know, Air Canada has not yet added power adapters to their fleet. Canadian has, which is the airline I flew on Sunday. I once saw either a United or AA floorplan that showed they had done both the front cabin _and_ every fifth row in economy. Still no guarantee of getting one, but I suspect those rows are saved for gold-members/high-payers as much as possible. (Would screw up their "blocking the middle seat when gold member in aisle or window", though). SO, where do I get a second TP600 battery between now and Friday evening? I'm in Long Beach CA and don't have lots of free time. But I could probably get out to a computer store if I had to. Bill, you got one in stock? Thanks again! andrew ------ my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/LongBeachCA.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 12:28:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03788 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20444; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:26:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20245; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20222; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:25:56 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg134-224.ricochet.net [204.179.134.224]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16193; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:25:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Mark Andrew" , Subject: RE: Trackpoint tip replacements? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:25:46 -0700 Message-ID: <002301bec24c$0a6dbea0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <001801bebfeb$704bfb00$2e2c4acf@markspc> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > IBM no longer sells the caps, you must go to the supplier that > sells them 4 for $15 plus shipping. Not true. I just called IBM Parts, and they confirmed that they still sell the 84G6536 TrackPoint caps and have plenty in stock at $5/pair as usual. Call 1-800-388-7080 and select option 2 and then 1 to order. -Mike ThinkPads in the Open Directory: http://dmoz.org/Computers/Hardware/Notebooks_and_Laptops/Makes_and_Models/IB M/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 12:48:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04025 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21860; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:40:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21729; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21692; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (208.25.68.5 -> lanshark.lanminds.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:40:31 -0400 Received: from earthlink.net (diaquestrouter.lanminds.com [207.33.48.145]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA00902 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3778F756.109BB73D@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:41:59 -0700 From: Ben Shemuel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Video capture on 770X (Mick McQuaid) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I was considering using the 770 for a video capture application but decided against it because no one at IBM could tell me conclusively what capabilities it had at better than 320x240 resolution. What I did learn from IBM, as well as from vendors of video capture PC Cards, is that no one seems to have a product that can exceed 320x240 at 30 frames per second, and that even 320x240/30 is only obtainable in a best-case situation. If you intend to capture video at full resolution (640x480 or better at 30fps) you will, at least in this crop of laptops, need a desktop machine, with a Matrox/Pinnacle, etc. capture card. And plan on BIG files--that's what it takes to store decent-looking MJPEG. -- Ben Shemuel Systems Engineer/Webmaster From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 12:59:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04212 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23090; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:53:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22908; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yonge.cs.toronto.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22895; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yonge.cs.toronto.edu (128.100.2.11 -> yonge.cs.toronto.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:53:02 -0400 Received: from dvp.cs.toronto.edu ([128.100.1.15]) by yonge.cs.toronto.edu with SMTP id <86547-17697>; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:52:58 -0400 Received: by dvp.cs.toronto.edu id <15583-6937>; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:52:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:52:48 -0400 From: Alvin Chia-Hua Shih To: Ben Shemuel Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Video capture on 770X (Mick McQuaid) Message-ID: <19990629125248.A527@dvp.cs> References: <3778F756.109BB73D@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <3778F756.109BB73D@earthlink.net>; from Ben Shemuel on Tue, Jun 29, 1999 at 12:41:59PM -0400 List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, Jun 29, 1999 at 12:41:59PM -0400, Ben Shemuel wrote: > I was considering using the 770 for a video capture application but decided against it because > no one at IBM could tell me conclusively what capabilities it had at better than 320x240 > resolution. > My 770ED certainly can't. The best I can get (by preallocating disk space and enabling DMA) at 30fps with only the occasional dropped frame is 240x180. That's in 16-bit RGB mode and 16-bit stereo, 32KHz. The resolution is fine for my purposes, but it's still unusable. There's some periodic video glitch on the video input that gets captured. I tried installing a newer video capture driver, but then the supplied Asymmetrix Digital Video Capture software wouldn't start! A new Video Features driver appeared on the IBM web site a couple of weeks ago but I haven't tried it yet. Maybe it'll do somethng? The fact that they are still fixing bugs for a product that they don't even sell anymore (that I bought) is somewhat annoying. ACS -- Alvin C. Shih | To live in a society that does not treat | its elders with dignity is to live in a http://www.cs.utoronto.ca/~acs/ | society of constant fear; for no one is ftp://ftp.cs.utoronto.ca/pub/acs/ | immune to the effects of time... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 14:01:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04986 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28590; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:59:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28323; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28301; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:58:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:58:57 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a191.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.191]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA04975; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906291757.NAA04975@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a191.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.191] 209.198.80.191 Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:47:41 -0400 To: John Poltorak , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199906291514.QAA005.02@bradnet> Subject: Re: [TP600] internal modem under OS/2 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >I have been trying to install the internal modem support for a TP600 >under OS/2 (Aurora), but get a message saying that this model is not >supported when I run the setup program. According to IBM's web pages for >Thinkpad drivers it should work. Does anyone else have it working? There are different models of the TP600, and different drivers. The drivers for the 300 and below mhz 600 do not work with the 366 mhz model. The modem drivers for OS2 only give 33K and the vendor will not update them -- according to what I've been told by IBM. --Maybe a class action lawsuit or a government agency with a big club would help. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 14:18:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05128 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29898; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:15:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29669; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29656; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.117 -> pilot017.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:15:43 -0400 Received: from andres (pm559-40.dialip.mich.net [35.9.49.142]) by pilot017.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA38352 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:15:35 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990629141759.008f5100@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:17:59 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Bluestarusa.com In-Reply-To: <199906291700.NAA14888@mail.bucknell.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Wow! Thank for for the pointer to bluestar! As an example I just looked up the trackpoint tips that Mike Geary checked with IBM on. IBM's price 2/$5, bluestars's price seems to be $4. Looking at the Compaq prices seemed to show that they were cheaper than Compaq, too. Sounds like a good place to remember for parts. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 01:00 PM 6/29/99 -0400, Peter Findeis wrote: >After you get the IBM p/n, try www.bluestarusa.com ---- they have many IBM >parts at significantly less than IBM prices. > >>Rous56@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Can anyone help me to locate a ribbon cable that connects the mboard to the >>> screen on a TP755CSE ? I'm getting nasty vertical lines on the screen that >>> change when the screen is moved slightly. I've re-seated the cable on both >>> ends, but this didn't help at all. Thanks to all...Dan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 15:11:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05821 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24212; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:00:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23939; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bucknell.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23908; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bucknell.edu (134.82.9.1 -> marge.bucknell.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:00:46 -0400 Received: from pfindeis.bucknell.edu (findeis.bucknell.edu [134.82.59.44]) by mail.bucknell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA14888; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906291700.NAA14888@mail.bucknell.edu> X-Sender: findeis@mail.bucknell.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Rous56@aol.com From: Peter Findeis Subject: Re: needed: 755 ribbon to screen Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu List-Unsubscribe: After you get the IBM p/n, try www.bluestarusa.com ---- they have many IBM parts at significantly less than IBM prices. >Rous56@aol.com wrote: > >> Can anyone help me to locate a ribbon cable that connects the mboard to the >> screen on a TP755CSE ? I'm getting nasty vertical lines on the screen that >> change when the screen is moved slightly. I've re-seated the cable on both >> ends, but this didn't help at all. Thanks to all...Dan > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 15:44:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06148 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07191; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:40:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06983; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06955; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (199.0.65.247 -> mail-out-0.tiac.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:40:37 -0400 Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA31992; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:40:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA12199; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:40:34 GMT Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:35:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, "'Chuck S.'" Subject: RE: Tape Backup for TP Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:35:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, First off I would look for backup software that allows restore without loading Windows 95/98 on the machine first. I think Nova Backup will do this but I have no experience. There may be a method using Dos but you need to back up long file names and restore them. I personally could not seem to restore stuff without putting Windows on the machine first. I use 8 MM SCSI tape drive for backup with a Adaptec 1460a. I use SCSI for my zip drive as well. It is an external tape drive so I use it for the desktop. Unfortunely it seems the 2.2 GB I get on a tape is not as much storage as it used to be 8->. I noticed you can get some deals on 4 MM DAT drives these days. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Chuck S. [SMTP:probepro@mindspring.com] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 1999 4:06 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Tape Backup for TP How can I back up my TP's hard disk to tape and be able to restore the entire drive in the event of a disk crash? I would prefer something with an EIDE interface, but these are all internal units. Wouldn't this require a PCMCIA to EIDE card? Does such a thing exist? And what about the power? External tape backup units typically have parallel ports, which I really don't want to use because of the speed. And where are the USB tape backup devices? Aren't they faster than parallel port? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 16:21:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA06654 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10450; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:19:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10166; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10150; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:19:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA45950; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:18:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:18:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Andrew Webber cc: "STeve Andre'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Airplane power adapter? In-Reply-To: <199906291619.MAA17644@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, Speaking about airplanes... just flew on Hawaiian Airlines DC-10 jets and it seems like the seatback trays don't really fit the 770Z 9549-8AU too well. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 17:00:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA07335 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10845; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:22:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10607; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10584; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (199.0.65.247 -> mail-out-0.tiac.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:22:03 -0400 Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09976; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:21:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA20651; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:21:57 GMT Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:16:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: List Thinkpad , "'A Kumar'" Subject: RE: Airplane power adapter? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:16:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Yeah the 2nd battery will be more flexible. I use the thinkpad in the car so I have a DC cable. If I flew as well I would look for a DC cable that did both. I use various Delorme products with good result. These days I tend to use the Palm III instead of the Thinkpad in the car. Delorme stuff can talk to the Palm III out of the box. As for GPS I would go with a 12 channel unit. I used the Garmin 12XL but if I was buying now I would go for the Garmin 48 (basically a Garmin 12XL in a white case). The black case of the 12XL gets alittle hotter than a white case. You need a power/ data cable to talk to the computer. Garmin has some more expensive models with built-in maps (like the Streetpilot). Most mapping programs will understand one of the NMEA protocols. These are ASCII based protocols developed so marine equipment can share information (The loran or GPS can send course information to the Autopilot). Most (but not all) GPS units can output serial data using various NMEA protocols. I also used the Delorme Tripmate with good results. The problem with the tripmate (other than no display) is it is designed to be used with Delorme's products. The Tripmate outputs NMEA but you need to send it a simple code first. The newer Delorme Earthmate is even worse because it outputs using a Rockwell binary protocol that only Delorme supports. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: A Kumar [SMTP:kumara2@rpi.edu] Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 10:36 PM To: List Thinkpad Subject: RE: Airplane power adapter? Along the same lines I am looking at getting the DC adapter for my 600, it works in both the car and plane. I think the price was ~$115 from IBM. Port also makes one that is about $70-$80. I would love to have GPS in my car. Anyone used any of the serial port GPS solutions? Which is the best? > -----Original Message----- > From: awebber@sgml-mercs.com [mailto:awebber@sgml-mercs.com] > Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 3:38 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Airplane power adapter? > > > Hello! > > Yesterday I flew on a different airline, and the longer segment > (~5:00 gate-to-gate) had power connectors in all seats in the front > cabin (it was CP on a 737 if it matters). The second segment was > also a CP 737 but had no power adapters (and no headset outlets) in > the seats for 2:50 gate-to-gate. > > Should I get a power adapter for my TP600? Or would my money be > better spent on a second battery? I used the notebook on the first > segment and ran the battery right down. I like to think I'd have > used it on the second segment if I could, although it's possible > I'd have slept or read anyway. And I only got the upgrade at the > gate right before departure (for the second segment that is). > > Any advice? And anyone who thinks "yes you should get an adapter", > can you provide a URL for more information? Difference in cost > between a realiable power adapter and a second Li-Ion battery? > > I'm flying back on Saturday, and should have power outlet on the > longer segment. On the other hand, I'm probably less likely to > work on the way home. :) I wouldn't mind getting something while > in California this week, so I have the option of working on the > flight. > > The other benefit of the second battery is that it would work on > non-outlet-equipped planes, or if I don't get the upgrade to the > front cabin, and also on other airlines. > > Thanks for any advice! > > andrew > ------ > my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/LongBeachCA.html > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 18:54:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01990 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19879; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:52:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19701; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shakti.slis.indiana.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19687; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shakti.slis.indiana.edu (129.79.33.57 -> shakti.slis.indiana.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:52:39 -0400 Received: from bird (host212-140-119-160.host.btclick.com [212.140.119.160]) by shakti.slis.indiana.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id EC929A903; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:52:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990629081934.007a68a0@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu> X-Sender: jfieber@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:19:34 +0100 To: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry), williams@u.washington.edu From: John Fieber Subject: Re: Recording LPs/Tapes/CDs with 770ED Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <7z5d34mipJfD092yn@islandnet.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:04 28/06/99 -0700, Jonathan Berry wrote: >:I am interested in making CD copies of some of my LPs and Cassettes. > >To reduce noise, Cool Edit is very good. There's a crippleware >version that does this job just fine. But it is time-consuming. Far better is to not introduce noise (and distortion) in the first place. Sound hardware in any laptop I've seen is *very* low end--high noise, high distortion and only a vague approximation of a flat frequency response. The S/N ration on my 600E is worse than cassette with no noise reduction. You are far better off doing the analog to digital using external hardware and transferring the digital in. But there lies another problem. You have to shell out about US$800 for PC-CARD sound hardware with digitial I/O. -john From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 19:27:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA02276 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21590; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:25:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21358; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21345; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:25:29 -0400 Received: from heiby.pr.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id SAA13060; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:25:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:52:05 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.34a) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <9536.990629@falkor.chi.il.us> To: "A Kumar" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: Airplane power adapter? In-reply-To: <000d01bec1d8$16688d80$933884a9@think1> References: <000d01bec1d8$16688d80$933884a9@think1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 AK> I would love to have GPS in my car. AK> Anyone used any of the serial port GPS solutions? Rand McNally recently introduced a GPS unit that is intended to connect to a portable PC. It's in a bundle with their StreetFinder product for just under $100. I believe that Best Buy is carrying it, but it might also be available at the www.randmcnally.com web site. There might also be a non-bundle package, for those who already have the StreetFinder software. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN3kHvG8pw+2/9pUJEQJQQACgxeJwcRD3H/826E0PtOgizLfzaGUAn22j +swMqHYs1gSt9B9nOKYQBisB =SaWD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 22:36:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA04023 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28121; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:30:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27845; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27829; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (207.69.200.33 -> smtp3.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:30:08 -0400 Received: from 770ed (user-2ivei9s.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.73.60]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01189; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990629222613.009333d0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: rchalk@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:29:51 -0400 To: "Cottrell, Eric" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, "'Chuck S.'" From: Richard Chalk Subject: RE: Tape Backup for TP In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: My approach is to use a second hard drive, which these days is not much more than a good tape drive. I use "Drive Image" in the "direct to disk" mode, and simply clone the main drive. This has the advantage of producing a fully functional drive that you can simply plug into the main bay, and it will boot. This means, while I'm travelling, that if I have a drive failure, or bad file corruption, I can be up and running again in just a few minutes. Richard At 03:35 PM 6/29/99 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >Hello, > >First off I would look for backup software that allows restore without >loading > Windows 95/98 on the machine first. I think Nova Backup will do this but >I have no experience. There may be a method using Dos but you need to >back up long file names and restore them. I personally could not seem to >restore stuff without putting Windows on the machine first. > >I use 8 MM SCSI tape drive for backup with a Adaptec 1460a. I use SCSI >for my zip drive as well. It is an external tape drive so I use it for the >desktop. >Unfortunely it seems the 2.2 GB I get on a tape is not as much storage as >it used to be 8->. I noticed you can get some deals on 4 MM DAT drives >these days. > >73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com > > ---------- > From: Chuck S. [SMTP:probepro@mindspring.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 1999 4:06 PM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Tape Backup for TP > > How can I back up my TP's hard disk to tape and be able to restore >the > entire drive in the event of a disk crash? I would prefer something >with an > EIDE interface, but these are all internal units. Wouldn't this >require a > PCMCIA to EIDE card? Does such a thing exist? And what about the >power? > External tape backup units typically have parallel ports, which I >really > don't want to use because of the speed. And where are the USB tape >backup > devices? Aren't they faster than parallel port? > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 23:22:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA04349 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00280; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:17:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29986; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29969; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.110 -> pilot010.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:17:05 -0400 Received: from andres (port11.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.12]) by pilot010.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA76240 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:16:59 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990629231918.008f31f0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:19:18 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: Tape Backup for TP In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990629222613.009333d0@mindspring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: For ease of use I can say that this is a really nifty approach--until the clone disk dies at the wrong time. I once inherieted a consulting client, for which the previous consultant set up a system exactly like this. It worked well for two years, saving the owners at least once during a minor disaster but failed when it was needed the most. Given that there was no farther back copy of the data, they were in deep trouble. Regardless of the fact that disks are more reliable today than before, there is nothing like having *multiple* backups on tape. Knowing that a full dump which isn't completely good but which has an older copy for fallback makes me sleep better for several projects I do. Just a word of caution here about this; I don't mean to rain on your proceedure Richard, but to make a comment pointing out the drawback in this. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 10:29 PM 6/29/99 -0400, Richard Chalk wrote: >My approach is to use a second hard drive, which these days is not much >more than a good tape drive. I use "Drive Image" in the "direct to disk" >mode, and simply clone the main drive. This has the advantage of producing >a fully functional drive that you can simply plug into the main bay, and it >will boot. > >This means, while I'm travelling, that if I have a drive failure, or bad >file corruption, I can be up and running again in just a few minutes. > >Richard From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 23:38:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA04513 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01338; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:33:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01219; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01204; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (207.69.200.33 -> smtp3.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:33:14 -0400 Received: from 770ed (user-2ivei9s.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.73.60]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA23249; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990629233131.00936460@mindspring.com> X-Sender: rchalk@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:32:59 -0400 To: "STeve Andre'" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Richard Chalk Subject: RE: Tape Backup for TP In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990629231918.008f31f0@pilot.msu.edu> References: <4.1.19990629222613.009333d0@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I suppose in theory you are right, but what are the chances that both hard disks will die at the same time? About the same as the chances that your tape drive will "eat" the tape...?? (Grin) Richard At 11:19 PM 6/29/99 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >For ease of use I can say that this is a really nifty approach--until >the clone disk dies at the wrong time. I once inherieted a consulting >client, for which the previous consultant set up a system exactly like >this. It worked well for two years, saving the owners at least once >during a minor disaster but failed when it was needed the most. Given >that there was no farther back copy of the data, they were in deep >trouble. > >Regardless of the fact that disks are more reliable today than before, >there is nothing like having *multiple* backups on tape. Knowing that >a full dump which isn't completely good but which has an older copy >for fallback makes me sleep better for several projects I do. > >Just a word of caution here about this; I don't mean to rain on your >proceedure Richard, but to make a comment pointing out the drawback >in this. > >--STeve Andre' >andres@pilot.msu.edu > >At 10:29 PM 6/29/99 -0400, Richard Chalk wrote: >>My approach is to use a second hard drive, which these days is not much >>more than a good tape drive. I use "Drive Image" in the "direct to disk" >>mode, and simply clone the main drive. This has the advantage of producing >>a fully functional drive that you can simply plug into the main bay, and it >>will boot. >> >>This means, while I'm travelling, that if I have a drive failure, or bad >>file corruption, I can be up and running again in just a few minutes. >> >>Richard From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 29 23:53:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA04592 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02637; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:47:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02383; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02365; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.102 -> pilot002.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:47:34 -0400 Received: from andres (port11.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.12]) by pilot002.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA64770 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:47:29 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990629234950.008f57a0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:49:50 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: Tape Backup for TP In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990629233131.00936460@mindspring.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990629231918.008f31f0@pilot.msu.edu> <4.1.19990629222613.009333d0@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Well, I dunno. And thats the rub, you can't know. Sure, I'll readily agree that tape drives eat tapes--its in their nature to do so. But a partly damaged tape can still often be read, whereas a damaged disk can have failures that render it entirely unusable. And of course, multiple copies of a tape backup pretty much ensure that something can be resurrected, albeit possibly painfully, extracting peices from multiple tapes. I have done that. So, overall, with disks of today being ever more reliable and physically smaller, the risks diminish. But they don't disappear. If you made an occaisonal tape backup, the dancing devil inside my mind would quiet down a bunch. ;-) --STeve Andre' (The Paranoid) andres@iwonttellyou.edu At 11:32 PM 6/29/99 -0400, Richard Chalk wrote: >I suppose in theory you are right, but what are the chances that both hard >disks will die at the same time? About the same as the chances that your >tape drive will "eat" the tape...?? (Grin) > >Richard > >At 11:19 PM 6/29/99 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >>For ease of use I can say that this is a really nifty approach--until >>the clone disk dies at the wrong time. I once inherieted a consulting >>client, for which the previous consultant set up a system exactly like >>this. It worked well for two years, saving the owners at least once >>during a minor disaster but failed when it was needed the most. Given >>that there was no farther back copy of the data, they were in deep >>trouble. >> >>Regardless of the fact that disks are more reliable today than before, >>there is nothing like having *multiple* backups on tape. Knowing that >>a full dump which isn't completely good but which has an older copy >>for fallback makes me sleep better for several projects I do. >> >>Just a word of caution here about this; I don't mean to rain on your >>proceedure Richard, but to make a comment pointing out the drawback >>in this. >> >>--STeve Andre' >>andres@pilot.msu.edu >> >>At 10:29 PM 6/29/99 -0400, Richard Chalk wrote: >>>My approach is to use a second hard drive, which these days is not much >>>more than a good tape drive. I use "Drive Image" in the "direct to disk" >>>mode, and simply clone the main drive. This has the advantage of producing >>>a fully functional drive that you can simply plug into the main bay, and it >>>will boot. >>> >>>This means, while I'm travelling, that if I have a drive failure, or bad >>>file corruption, I can be up and running again in just a few minutes. >>> >>>Richard > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 00:00:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA04651 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03246; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:54:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03082; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03058; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.102 -> pilot002.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:54:51 -0400 Received: from andres (port11.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.12]) by pilot002.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA48588 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:54:42 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990629235703.008ec800@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:57:03 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: DC Adaptor question In-Reply-To: <37744CAB.C3A545E4@icanect.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have a i1451 and would like to get a DC adaptor for it. I've seen several different units for sale but haven't seen many units specifically for the 1400 i series machines. Can anyone recomend what places to look at, and perhaps more importantly what places to avoid? If anyone just happens to have a DC-to-DC converter schematic for 12V to 19V, I'd love to get my hands on one and build the thing myself. Thanks! --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 09:40:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA02938 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29917; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:33:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29431; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29414; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (194.164.19.39 -> bradnet.legend.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:33:19 -0400 Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.02/2.0) id JAA008.29; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:15:35 +0100 Message-Id: <199906300815.JAA008.29@bradnet> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 99 9:15:34 +0100 From: John Poltorak Subject: [TP600] mwave for OS/2 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: After some effort I partially got mwave installed on my TP600, only after finding **two** versions of the the file ACPOS2.EXE on IBM's Thinkpad pages. One often despairs about IBM's ability to understand version control!! The difference between the two files was simply down to one file in the archive - ~INS0762.LIB which had different timestamps and sizes in the two archives. The installation still had problems finding enough space on my drive which had 4GB free, but an error msg popped saying:- Not enough space on drive C: You need -278386176 bytes and have 4790960 bytes. Please press OK to try another target disk. As a consequence I have installed MWave on my D: drive but the installation was unable update CONFIG.SYS since there was 'insufficient space'. Could someone supply me with the relevant entries for CONFIG.SYS regarding MWAVE ? Or is there a way to make installations see that there is sufficient diskspace available on the C: drive? -- John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 10:01:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA03170 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01325; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:58:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01136; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ubh.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01123; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:58:24 -0400 Received: by mail.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:01:00 -0500 Message-ID: <7553C6C478C1D011999300A024D2D29583A600@mail.ubh.com> From: Greg Langham To: "'Richard Chalk'" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Tape Backup for TP Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:00:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" List-Unsubscribe: The disk-to-disk backup procedure works OK for keeping a "hot" backup of your system. However, what if you worked on an application two days ago, then did a disk-ti-disk transfer, then realized that the work you did two days ago was bad and you need to go to a backup prior to the disk-to-disk transfer? Redundant backups are the way to go for user data. We use daily backups for Monday through Thursday, with separate "Friday" tapes for each week. We also run a separate month-end backup tape. You would be surprised how often we need to go back to a tape two or three weeks back. I know this is a bit overkill for your Thinkpad, and I agree that disk-to-disk backup works well most of the time and is great for keeping your system alive. However, important files that are volatile should have multiple backups at different revision levels, just to be safe. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Richard Chalk [mailto:rchalk@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 10:33 PM To: STeve Andre'; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Tape Backup for TP I suppose in theory you are right, but what are the chances that both hard disks will die at the same time? About the same as the chances that your tape drive will "eat" the tape...?? (Grin) Richard At 11:19 PM 6/29/99 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >For ease of use I can say that this is a really nifty approach--until >the clone disk dies at the wrong time. I once inherieted a consulting >client, for which the previous consultant set up a system exactly like >this. It worked well for two years, saving the owners at least once >during a minor disaster but failed when it was needed the most. Given >that there was no farther back copy of the data, they were in deep >trouble. > >Regardless of the fact that disks are more reliable today than before, >there is nothing like having *multiple* backups on tape. Knowing that >a full dump which isn't completely good but which has an older copy >for fallback makes me sleep better for several projects I do. > >Just a word of caution here about this; I don't mean to rain on your >proceedure Richard, but to make a comment pointing out the drawback >in this. > >--STeve Andre' >andres@pilot.msu.edu > >At 10:29 PM 6/29/99 -0400, Richard Chalk wrote: >>My approach is to use a second hard drive, which these days is not much >>more than a good tape drive. I use "Drive Image" in the "direct to disk" >>mode, and simply clone the main drive. This has the advantage of producing >>a fully functional drive that you can simply plug into the main bay, and it >>will boot. >> >>This means, while I'm travelling, that if I have a drive failure, or bad >>file corruption, I can be up and running again in just a few minutes. >> >>Richard From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 10:12:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA03303 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02473; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:09:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02272; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02247; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (206.127.32.35 -> tam.dorsai.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:09:32 -0400 Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (higgins@amanda.dorsai.org [206.127.32.130]) by tam.dorsai.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA24722; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:13:45 -0400 (EDT) From: John Higgins Received: (higgins@localhost) by amanda.dorsai.org (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA17673; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906301413.KAA17673@amanda.dorsai.org> Subject: Re: Interesting TP accessory prices To: cgruttke@primenet.com (Chris Gruttke) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:13:40 -0400 (edt) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad list) In-Reply-To: from "Chris Gruttke" at Jun 28, 99 09:01:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a physical copy of the ad in my office today. Gotta fax #?? > > > Would you mind forwarding that email to me... I could use a battery or > two. :) > > I didn't see any batteries for less than 250 there. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 10:30:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA03450 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03848; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:28:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03644; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03631; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:28:49 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-153.gate.net [199.227.20.216]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA218088; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:30:41 -0400 Message-ID: <377A2994.6CADBA4B@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:28:36 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Higgins CC: Chris Gruttke , Thinkpad list Subject: Re: Interesting TP accessory prices References: <199906301413.KAA17673@amanda.dorsai.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John, et al., you gotta call and talk and give the code number, then these actually DO exist.. i suppose i should have bought them out, since those prices for some of those things are great..!! you'll need to send away to IBM for the rebate, so initial cost will be higher, but the rebates are there.. John Higgins wrote: > I have a physical copy of the ad in my office today. Gotta fax #?? > > > > > Would you mind forwarding that email to me... I could use a battery or > > two. :) > > > > I didn't see any batteries for less than 250 there. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 10:32:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA03472 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04153; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:29:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03855; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03587; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:28:05 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-153.gate.net [199.227.20.216]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA100194; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:28:23 -0400 Message-ID: <377A290A.4AEABDF2@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:26:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP600] mwave for OS/2 References: <199906300815.JAA008.29@bradnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I don't want to show that i'm uninformed, but MWAVE on a 600..?? i'm just getting my first 600E to play with today (for a customer.. who wants win98 on this winNT model) but i thought the 600 had a winmodem?! the fact that "IT" wants 278meg tells me that something is screwed up..! you could easily get around this by using a 2nd HDD if you have one available (just for the install) but i still question the validity of the error.. John Poltorak wrote: > After some effort I partially got mwave installed on my TP600, > only after finding **two** versions of the the file ACPOS2.EXE > on IBM's Thinkpad pages. One often despairs about IBM's ability > to understand version control!! > > The difference between the two files was simply down to one file > in the archive - ~INS0762.LIB which had different timestamps > and sizes in the two archives. > > The installation still had problems finding enough space on my > drive which had 4GB free, but an error msg popped saying:- > > Not enough space on drive C: > > You need -278386176 bytes and have > 4790960 bytes. Please press OK to try > another target disk. > > As a consequence I have installed MWave on my D: drive > but the installation was unable update CONFIG.SYS since > there was 'insufficient space'. > > Could someone supply me with the relevant entries for CONFIG.SYS > regarding MWAVE ? Or is there a way to make installations see > that there is sufficient diskspace available on the C: drive? > > -- > John -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 10:36:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA03502 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04924; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:34:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04714; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04674; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:34:24 -0400 Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen [194.216.44.39]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02559; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:36:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19537; Wed, 30 Jun 99 15:27:16 BST Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:31:50 +0000 To: "'Richard Chalk'" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, Greg Langham Subject: Re[2]: Tape Backup for TP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: There's no reason you can't have the same arrangement substituting the=20= word 'disk' for 'tape'=2E Given the relative cost per MB of tape and disk storage, and the=20= convenience of backing up and restoring from disk, I'd probably go the=20= same way=2E ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Tape Backup for TP Author: MIME:Greg Langham at INTERNET Date: 30/06/99 15:01 ####################################################=20= The following message part was sent with the unknown=20= character set: "WINDOWS-1252" #################################################### The disk-to-disk backup procedure works OK for keeping a "hot" backup of=20= your system=2E However, what if you worked on an application two days ago, then did a=20= disk-ti-disk transfer, then realized that the work you did two days ago was=20= bad and you need to go to a backup prior to the disk-to-disk transfer? Redundant backups are the way to go for user data=2E We use daily backups for=20= Monday through Thursday, with separate "Friday" tapes for each week=2E We also=20= run a separate month-end backup tape=2E You would be surprised how often we=20= need to go back to a tape two or three weeks back=2E I know this is a bit overkill for your Thinkpad, and I agree that=20= disk-to-disk backup works well most of the time and is great for keeping=20= your system alive=2E However, important files that are volatile should have=20= multiple backups at different revision levels, just to be safe=2E Greg -----Original Message----- From: Richard Chalk [mailto:rchalk@mindspring=2Ecom]=20= Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 10:33 PM To: STeve Andre'; THINKPAD@cs=2Eutk=2Eedu=20= Subject: RE: Tape Backup for TP I suppose in theory you are right, but what are the chances that both hard=20= disks will die at the same time? About the same as the chances that your=20= tape drive will "eat" the tape=2E=2E=2E?? (Grin) Richard At 11:19 PM 6/29/99 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >For ease of use I can say that this is a really nifty approach--until=20= >the clone disk dies at the wrong time=2E I once inherieted a consulting=20= >client, for which the previous consultant set up a system exactly like=20= >this=2E It worked well for two years, saving the owners at least once=20= >during a minor disaster but failed when it was needed the most=2E Given=20= >that there was no farther back copy of the data, they were in deep=20= >trouble=2E > >Regardless of the fact that disks are more reliable today than before,=20= >there is nothing like having *multiple* backups on tape=2E Knowing that=20= >a full dump which isn't completely good but which has an older copy=20= >for fallback makes me sleep better for several projects I do=2E > >Just a word of caution here about this; I don't mean to rain on your=20= >proceedure Richard, but to make a comment pointing out the drawback=20= >in this=2E > >--STeve Andre' >andres@pilot=2Emsu=2Eedu > >At 10:29 PM 6/29/99 -0400, Richard Chalk wrote: >>My approach is to use a second hard drive, which these days is not much=20= >>more than a good tape drive=2E I use "Drive Image" in the "direct to disk"=20= >>mode, and simply clone the main drive=2E This has the advantage of=20= producing >>a fully functional drive that you can simply plug into the main bay, and=20= it >>will boot=2E >> >>This means, while I'm travelling, that if I have a drive failure, or bad=20= >>file corruption, I can be up and running again in just a few minutes=2E >> >>Richard ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 12:01:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04732 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10435; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:57:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10243; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10213; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:57:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:57:13 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a218.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.218]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA22117 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906301557.LAA22117@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a218.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.218] 209.198.80.218 Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:41:49 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <377A290A.4AEABDF2@icanect.net> Subject: Re: [TP600] mwave for OS/2 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >I don't want to show that i'm uninformed, but MWAVE on a 600..?? i'm just >getting my first 600E to play with today (for a customer.. who wants >win98 on this winNT model) but i thought the 600 had a winmodem?! IBM calls it an ACP modem. (Whatever that means). The OS2 drivers for it used at least of the same pieces MWAVE does. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 12:16:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04909 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11762; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:13:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11625; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11602; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:13:20 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-153.gate.net [199.227.20.216]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA201956; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:15:14 -0400 Message-ID: <377A4215.17C401F2@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:13:09 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: letoured@sover.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP600] mwave for OS/2 References: <199906301557.LAA22117@pike.sover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hmmm.. i THINK ACP = Advanced Communications Processor.. i saw this somewhere just the other day and promptly put it out of my mind.. :-) letoured@sover.net wrote: > >I don't want to show that i'm uninformed, but MWAVE on a 600..?? i'm just > >getting my first 600E to play with today (for a customer.. who wants > >win98 on this winNT model) but i thought the 600 had a winmodem?! > > IBM calls it an ACP modem. (Whatever that means). > The OS2 drivers for it used at least of the same pieces MWAVE does. > > _____________ > letoured@sover.net -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 13:54:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06536 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20590; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:52:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20321; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20255; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (209.228.14.77 -> c004-h006.c004.sfo.cp.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:51:59 -0400 Received: (cpmta 27188 invoked from network); 30 Jun 1999 10:38:05 -0700 Received: from macgregor.brightware.com (HELO MACGREGOR) (206.156.118.251) by smtp.detayls.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 10:38:05 -0700 X-Sent: 30 Jun 1999 17:38:05 GMT Message-ID: <001101bec31f$5f1c1130$fb769cce@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Ronald W. Heiby" , References: <10445.990630@falkor.chi.il.us> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Airplane power adapter? Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:38:30 -0700 Organization: Detayls MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Ronald, Do you really get any utility out of PGP signatures? All they seem to do is clutter up the text of emails. Is there some way that you can suppress the PGP signing from public emails like this? We promise to believe that you are really you! David ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronald W. Heiby To: Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 8:41 AM Subject: Re[2]: Airplane power adapter? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Tuesday, June 29, 1999, 3:18:38 PM, Vincent wrote: > > VP> Speaking about airplanes... just flew on Hawaiian Airlines DC-10 > VP> jets and it seems like the seatback trays don't really fit the 770Z > VP> 9549-8AU too well. > > The real fun comes when the person in front of you leans his/her seat > back. Last time I used a ThinkPad in coach, I had the display on the > tray and the keyboard on my belly! > > So, maybe the airlines are right to just put the power adapters in the > upper class seating areas, rather than where us working stiffs fly. We > can't unfold our notebook computers anyway! > > Ron. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 > Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. > > iQA/AwUBN3o6vW8pw+2/9pUJEQIehwCg0CnvQf3qrE/GV6/nQcT8clUQ6m4AnAvr > 0ZyojZ8alvTIMblwH/CJBOdc > =dFDy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 14:08:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07177 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22077; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:07:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21892; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elaine28.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21862; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elaine28.Stanford.EDU (171.64.15.103 -> elaine28.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:06:50 -0400 Received: (from dondon@localhost) by elaine28.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA17526; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:06:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Justin Liu Message-Id: <199906301806.LAA17526@elaine28.Stanford.EDU> To: higgins@dorsai.org, penzance@icanect.net Subject: Re: Interesting TP accessory prices Cc: cgruttke@primenet.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu List-Unsubscribe: Hi - Can someone email me the original information about these deals? I deleted it as being "too good to be true." Thanks, - Justin (who is feeling silly after having bought a 560 battery for $100 when he could have gotten 4 of them for the same amount) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 14:57:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09353 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26166; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:50:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25743; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25728; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:49:59 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-153.gate.net [199.227.20.216]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA86202 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:51:55 -0400 Message-ID: <377A66CF.46366B79@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:49:51 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: TP600 & Hitachi Drives..!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: TP600 & Hitachi Drives..!! I just took a look at the HDD in a new TP600E i have and its a HITACHI..!! put this in the FWIW file... -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 15:02:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09427 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27449; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:00:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27158; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27120; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie-inet.loop.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:00:04 -0400 Received: from tp760 (p18.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.33]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA19603; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906301856.LAA19603@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Mark Andrew" , "Vincent Poy" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:59:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:07:09 -0700 (PDT), Vincent Poy wrote: >On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Mark Andrew wrote: > >> Does anyone know where I could get a couple new trackpoint III tips? > > Try going to http://www.compu-lock.com (Compu-Lock). They sell it >in Red or Blue for $16 for a set of four. Does anyone actually use the >blue ones on a TP? > I think the blue ones would be used on a Toshiba notebook. -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html AIM - pkhoury12 | Dalnet IRC - CyberDude19 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 17:03:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA11034 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16430; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:11:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16007; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15945; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:10:56 -0400 Received: from heiby.pr.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id MAA12401 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:10:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:41:57 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.34a) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <10445.990630@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: Airplane power adapter? In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday, June 29, 1999, 3:18:38 PM, Vincent wrote: VP> Speaking about airplanes... just flew on Hawaiian Airlines DC-10 VP> jets and it seems like the seatback trays don't really fit the 770Z VP> 9549-8AU too well. The real fun comes when the person in front of you leans his/her seat back. Last time I used a ThinkPad in coach, I had the display on the tray and the keyboard on my belly! So, maybe the airlines are right to just put the power adapters in the upper class seating areas, rather than where us working stiffs fly. We can't unfold our notebook computers anyway! Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN3o6vW8pw+2/9pUJEQIehwCg0CnvQf3qrE/GV6/nQcT8clUQ6m4AnAvr 0ZyojZ8alvTIMblwH/CJBOdc =dFDy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 18:58:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA12497 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12401; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:56:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12189; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12175; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:56:15 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-258.gate.net [199.227.131.67]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA130070; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:58:05 -0400 Message-ID: <377AA080.7BA88FA1@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:56:00 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Justin Liu CC: higgins@dorsai.org, cgruttke@primenet.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Interesting TP accessory prices References: <199906301806.LAA17526@elaine28.Stanford.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: are'nt you huys happy that i never toss ANYTHING..! :-) > > warehouse.com/ibmopmail > > or 800-551-9577 > > Source code P95x20 Justin Liu wrote: > Hi - > > Can someone email me the original information about these deals? I > deleted it as being "too good to be true." > > Thanks, > > - Justin (who is feeling silly after having bought a 560 battery > for $100 when he could have gotten 4 of them for the same amount) -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 19:50:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA01832 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15095; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:49:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14983; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14970; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:49:03 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-225-034.usc.edu [128.125.225.34]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id QAA06077; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990630164627.02af3f10@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:47:23 -0700 To: "David Dunn" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: Interesting TP accessory prices In-Reply-To: References: <199906290353.XAA00568@amanda.dorsai.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:09 AM 6/29/99 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks for the info. I went to their site and they listed the TP600 adapter >for 69$-25$rebate=45$. Where did you see the price for the AC adapter for >19$? Also it states that a Mailer code is required for rebate, is this the >source code number you had at the bottom of your email? >Follow these procedures. > >warehouse.com/ibmopmail >or 800-551-9577 >Source code P95x20 I went to the site and see "normal" prices. Did I miss out, or is there something special you have to do to see (and obtain) what the rebates would be on each item? - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 20:43:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA01581 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18156; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:41:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17928; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17905; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (140.142.78.6 -> jason05.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:41:50 -0400 Received: from dante19.u.washington.edu (williams@dante19.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.69]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id RAA30070 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:41:47 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante19.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id RAA56294 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:41:46 -0700 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:41:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Recording LPs/Tapes/CDs with 770ED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, last week I updated the bios on my 770ED and it seems to be running hotter than before. I ran the self-tests through Easy Setup and everything passes but I don't feel any air coming out of the grill after booting. I can feel the air during the Easy Setup tests. Is there a way for me to test the fan operation? How about power management settings? Also, I'm not sure if this is a result of heat but sometimes my LCD screen flickers (dims)intermittently. The brightness slider may either have no effect or get bright then dim as I move it to the right (more bright). There is no set pattern but it happens after being powered for a while. Then, I re-installed two older versions of the Bios with no apparent change. I can't say for certain how my unit is running hotter since I decided to check the fan after the screen flicker started. Just how much air should be coming out the back? I thought it was strange that more air comes out during the Easy Set-up tests than after booting completely and running for a while. Is there a way to adjust the fan through windows settings or check system temperature? Thanks, John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 21:00:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01701 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14345; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:33:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14003; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13989; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:33:15 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-048.usc.edu [128.125.224.48]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id QAA01300; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990630162910.02ae6ee0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:31:48 -0700 To: "Ronald W. Heiby" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re[2]: Airplane power adapter? In-Reply-To: <10445.990630@falkor.chi.il.us> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:41 AM 6/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >VP> Speaking about airplanes... just flew on Hawaiian Airlines DC-10 >VP> jets and it seems like the seatback trays don't really fit the 770Z >VP> 9549-8AU too well. > >The real fun comes when the person in front of you leans his/her seat >back. Last time I used a ThinkPad in coach, I had the display on the >tray and the keyboard on my belly! For what its worth, a travel tip for y'all: Request a seat in the emergency exit row. You get more leg room because the aisle has to be wider for emergency exits. You also get more room between you and the front seat so you have a place for your ThinkPad without worrying about the moron in front of you leaning back and cracking your screen. 'course, you also have to be the one to open the emergency hatch for everyone to jump out. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. ;-) - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 21:01:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01709 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18764; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:44:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18430; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18283; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (140.142.78.6 -> jason05.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:44:01 -0400 Received: from dante19.u.washington.edu (williams@dante19.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.69]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id RAA37696 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:43:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante19.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id RAA24742 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:43:50 -0700 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:43:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770ED Fan Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: (Sorry I used an old message for the address and forgot to change the Subject.) Hi, last week I updated the bios on my 770ED and it seems to be running hotter than before. I ran the self-tests through Easy Setup and everything passes but I don't feel any air coming out of the grill after booting. I can feel the air during the Easy Setup tests. Is there a way for me to test the fan operation? How about power management settings? Also, I'm not sure if this is a result of heat but sometimes my LCD screen flickers (dims)intermittently. The brightness slider may either have no effect or get bright then dim as I move it to the right (more bright). There is no set pattern but it happens after being powered for a while. Then, I re-installed two older versions of the Bios with no apparent change. I can't say for certain how my unit is running hotter since I decided to check the fan after the screen flicker started. Just how much air should be coming out the back? I thought it was strange that more air comes out during the Easy Set-up tests than after booting completely and running for a while. Is there a way to adjust the fan through windows settings or check system temperature? Thanks, John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 21:05:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01732 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19799; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:03:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19615; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19590; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (38.8.210.2 -> relay3.smtp.psi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:03:27 -0400 Received: from [204.5.147.3] (helo=exch1.smh.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id 10zVGS-0000oz-00; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:03:44 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:02:31 -0400 Message-ID: <40E8526E9CA4D011A45800805FFEAEDB06B9F063@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 600 sluggish Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:02:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Greetings, I'm running a duel boot TP 600 (PII/266, 96 mB) which lately has been rather quirky. When you turn it on it is taking longer to start the boot process. It stays on the ThinkPad splash screen (with the memory count) forever. It then goes to a blank screen with the curser in the upper left and after a long time starts to really boot and loads System Commander. Once a OS is selected, the boot process is normal (either Win98 or WinNT 4). I've tried reinitializing the bios, disabling System Commander, removing memory chips, fiddling with the IBM utility, removing the utility, etc. It's still boots slowly. My bios is the latest and my thinkpad utilities are up to date. I ran a full diagnostic in the setup program: all reads "ok." One other thing: the machine refuses to suspend in Win98. No problem in WinNT. Suggestions? Regards, Cornelius Halvey, MD Sarasota Ophthalmology Associates www.srqeye.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 21:27:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01894 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21551; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:26:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21469; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21426; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:26:12 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-294.gate.net [199.227.173.40]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA124050; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:28:08 -0400 Message-ID: <377AC3AB.623FE5D7@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:26:03 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "J. Williams" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770ED Fan References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: set the machine on a thermometer.. but you have no base line to compare against.. you sure should feel air flow, but not much, and only after the machine turns the fan on.. i've not heard of a app that will tell you the internal temp.. at least not one that is available to you or me.. J. Williams wrote: > (Sorry I used an old message for the address and forgot to change the > Subject.) > > Hi, last week I updated the bios on my 770ED and it seems to be running > hotter than before. I ran the self-tests through Easy Setup and everything > passes but I don't feel any air coming out of the grill after booting. I > can feel the air during the Easy Setup tests. Is there a way for me to > test the fan operation? How about power management settings? > > Also, I'm not sure if this is a result of heat but sometimes my LCD screen > flickers (dims)intermittently. The brightness slider may either have no > effect or get bright then dim as I move it to the right (more bright). > There is no set pattern but it happens after being powered for a while. > > Then, I re-installed two older versions of the Bios with no apparent > change. I can't say for certain how my unit is running hotter since I > decided to check the fan after the screen flicker started. Just how much > air should be coming out the back? I thought it was strange that more air > comes out during the Easy Set-up tests than after booting completely and > running for a while. Is there a way to adjust the fan through windows > settings or check system temperature? > > Thanks, John -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 21:50:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02034 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22771; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:48:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22599; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22585; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:48:46 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-294.gate.net [199.227.173.40]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA404794; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:50:39 -0400 Message-ID: <377AC8F2.7B0E115B@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:48:34 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 sluggish References: <40E8526E9CA4D011A45800805FFEAEDB06B9F063@exch1.smh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: it SOUNDS like a software problem.. maybe HDD is cluttered..? optomize the HDD..?? Dr. Cornelius Halvey wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm running a duel boot TP 600 (PII/266, 96 mB) which lately has been rather > quirky. When you turn it on it is taking longer to start the boot process. > It stays on the ThinkPad splash screen (with the memory count) forever. It > then goes to a blank screen with the curser in the upper left and after a > long time starts to really boot and loads System Commander. Once a OS is > selected, the boot process is normal (either Win98 or WinNT 4). I've tried > reinitializing the bios, disabling System Commander, removing memory chips, > fiddling with the IBM utility, removing the utility, etc. It's still > boots slowly. My bios is the latest and my thinkpad utilities are up to > date. I ran a full diagnostic in the setup program: all reads "ok." > > One other thing: the machine refuses to suspend in Win98. No problem in > WinNT. Suggestions? > > Regards, > > Cornelius Halvey, MD > Sarasota Ophthalmology Associates > www.srqeye.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 22:09:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA02176 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23862; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:07:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23707; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23682; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:07:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA51196; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:07:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:07:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Paul Khoury cc: Mark Andrew , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Trackpoint tip replacements? In-Reply-To: <199906301856.LAA19603@ritchie.loop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:07:09 -0700 (PDT), Vincent Poy wrote: > > >On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Mark Andrew wrote: > > > >> Does anyone know where I could get a couple new trackpoint III tips? > > > > Try going to http://www.compu-lock.com (Compu-Lock). They sell it > >in Red or Blue for $16 for a set of four. Does anyone actually use the > >blue ones on a TP? > > > I think the blue ones would be used on a Toshiba notebook. Isn't it Green for Toshiba and Blue for Micron? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 22:13:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA02212 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24468; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:11:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24184; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24171; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.31 -> victor.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:11:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by victor.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA51214; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:11:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@victor.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:11:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Randal Whittle cc: "Ronald W. Heiby" , TP List Subject: Re: Re[2]: Airplane power adapter? In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990630162910.02ae6ee0@rcf.usc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Randal Whittle wrote: > At 10:41 AM 6/30/99 -0500, you wrote: > >VP> Speaking about airplanes... just flew on Hawaiian Airlines DC-10 > >VP> jets and it seems like the seatback trays don't really fit the 770Z > >VP> 9549-8AU too well. > > > >The real fun comes when the person in front of you leans his/her seat > >back. Last time I used a ThinkPad in coach, I had the display on the > >tray and the keyboard on my belly! > > For what its worth, a travel tip for y'all: > > Request a seat in the emergency exit row. You get more leg room because > the aisle has to be wider for emergency exits. You also get more room > between you and the front seat so you have a place for your ThinkPad > without worrying about the moron in front of you leaning back and cracking > your screen. > > 'course, you also have to be the one to open the emergency hatch for > everyone to jump out. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. ;-) Hehe, but does the ThinkPad get to jump out too? ;-) Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 30 22:22:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA02268 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25157; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:20:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25011; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24996; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (206.127.32.35 -> tam.dorsai.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:20:50 -0400 Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (higgins@amanda.dorsai.org [206.127.32.130]) by tam.dorsai.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA20921; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:25:04 -0400 (EDT) From: John Higgins Received: (higgins@localhost) by amanda.dorsai.org (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA25634; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199907010225.WAA25634@amanda.dorsai.org> Subject: Re: Interesting TP accessory prices To: rwhittle@usa.net (Randal Whittle) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:24:59 -2800 (edt) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad list) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990630164627.02af3f10@rcf.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Jun 30, 99 04:47:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > > At 07:09 AM 6/29/99 -0700, you wrote: > >Thanks for the info. I went to their site and they listed the TP600 adapter > >for 69$-25$rebate=45$. Where did you see the price for the AC adapter for > >19$? Also it states that a Mailer code is required for rebate, is this the > >source code number you had at the bottom of your email? > > >Follow these procedures. > > > >warehouse.com/ibmopmail > >or 800-551-9577 > >Source code P95x20 > > I went to the site and see "normal" prices. Did I miss out, or is there > something special you have to do to see (and obtain) what the rebates would > be on each item? > > - Randy Whittle >